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Slamming a James White supporter

If all translations “teach the same thing” then they are all equal; but if “some modern versions are better than others and he sympathizes with KJ only advocates concerning some of atrocious modern translations”, then they clearly do not teach the same thing. This is because the quality of a translation will be having an effect on content/concepts. Thus, all translations are not equal, they do not teach the same thing. James White is therefore wrong to say that they all teach the same thing (i.e. that they are in that way equal). The accusations against KJB are false anyway. “What he takes issue with [is] the belief that the KJB is the only viable or even inspired version of scripture.” I take issue with that too. And that’s not what KJBOs believe. Maybe a very few do, but to say that KJBO is wrong because of that is basically to malign and misrepresent KJBO.

Also, you say, “Its the fallacy of equivocation to speak of the KJB translation and the inspired text of scripture as the same thing.” What you are saying is that that the KJB is not Scripture, because the KJB was not made by inspiration. Whereas, we know that the KJB was not made by inspiration, but we know it is Scripture, and that Scripture itself is inspired by its very nature. Now, probably, you are making a difference between the process of inspiration (the making of the autographs) and the nature of inspiration (the words being spirit and life). The fact is that the inspired words of Scripture are to be found in Bibles of many kinds, whether Latin or whatever, because they are Scripture. Now, even though the KJB was not made by inspiration, the argument about transmission is that it has recovered the correct text by Providence, and likewise made an exact English translation. In this way, the KJB has today what exactly was written by Paul or whoever, only that the KJB is in English, and has all the Canon together. The problem is that modern infidelity / liberal modernism has invaded many Christians’ thinking. They think that we cannot have a perfect Bible today because Enlightenment philosophy disallows the possibility of such an occurrence/phenomenon.

To suggest that we must doubt the Scripture about God’s preservation of His words, and God’s ability, simply because of the carnal, rationalistic, sight-based exercises of modern scholarship is unspiritual absurdity. We are to rely on God’s provision, not on the revisionist, relativistic and rationalistic scholarship which denies Scripture promises about transmission. They say that we must look at the oldest extant MS copies, because that is what they are stuck with: the idea that error is prevailing, entropy is ruling and ignorance is reigning. Whereas, we begin from the Scripture itself, what it says about itself, and the promise that God has been able to supply it to us properly. This idea that the Church since the days of Constantine has not had the Bible properly, and that we must turn to near autograph copies for authority is putting your faith in that theory and in pieces of vellum/papyrus, not in the very power of the words themselves which have come to the ends of the earth.

Getting the house in order

It is sad how the attack on the national influence of the Bible is being led by some so called “evangelical” Christians.

For example, left-wing advocate, Jim Wallis (who pretends not to be left wing), is on side with enemies of the Christian faith (e.g. communists), protesting against war, exalting the humanistic “human rights”, rejecting free enterprise and so on.

The Scripture says, “For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?” (1 Peter 4:17).

Those who have exalted “social justice” above Biblical traditional conservative values are in danger of divine judgment.

That such rubbish is sold in Christian book catalogues and taught in churches surely deserves to be thrown out, spewed out (as Jesus warned of the Laodiceans), “For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up” (Psalm 69:9a).

“Cultures are not all equal,” says former Australian PM

The civilising influence of Christianity is quite different to the backwardness and brutality that exists within certain Islamic circles.

Just as there is a true form of Christianity, so is there a true evil face of Islam. That is, when Christianity is taken to its ultimate form, there is peace, Reformation, prosperity, healing, respect and holiness. But when Islam is taken to its ultimate form, we see what destruction it brings.

Former Australian PM, Tony Abbott, wrote an opinion piece stating, “Cultures are not all equal. We should be ready to proclaim the clear superiority of our culture to one that justifies killing people in the name of God.”

Of course, the “god” of Islam, Allah, is nothing like the Christian God.

So the solution that the right-leaning secularists or conservative Roman Catholics (and too many Protestants) give is untenable. They say, with Abbott, that Islam needs some sort of religious Reformation, and worse, that this would lead to acceptance of a separation of Church and state, and pluralism.

Let’s agree that this view is superior to those of the communist side of politics.

But the solution for Islam is not any Reformation but this: “That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth” (Phil. 2:10).

Again, the solution for Islamic violence is not secularism. While secularism has done a lot to pacify religions, including Roman Catholicism, the ultimate solution must be another religion. Ideas must be fought with ideas, but the ideas of secularism are not positive.

There must be a proper union of proper Protestant Christianity with the state. This is the best historical model, no matter what time of history we examine, such as, the fourth century Roman Empire, the English Reformation, Cromwell’s Protectorate, Pitt’s Britain or pre-1960s USA.

We should have a patriotic toward our country, we should have an execeptionalist view toward the civilising effects of Christianity within our national culture.

Source: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/the-religion-of-islam-must-reform/story-fni0cwl5-1227638212523

Nick Sayers wants to replace the KJB

Nick Sayers, an Australian who runs a Textus Receptus website, wants to replace the King James Bible with his own modernised version of it, called the “Progressive King James Version”. This work is contrary to the tradition which we uphold.

Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. (2 Thess. 3:6).

Mr Sayers has proposed all kinds of alterations in his “progressive” work. He would do well with staying with the KJB rather than moving away from it. But he has wrongly upheld the Beza 1598 (which really no one has or reads) over the English Bible (which everyone can have and read).

While there’s some other good information on Mr Sayers’ website, but it is a pity that he is putting his efforts into (and asking for funds for) changing the King James Bible.

Never let a Romanist say Protestantism is wrong because of division

It is quite interesting to see that Roman Catholics say that Protestantism is divided. There is a true form of Protestantism which exists regardless of the many varieties, and that is the orthodox doctrines in regards salvation, the Deity of Christ and other foundational doctrines.

But Roman Catholicism is itself divided, broadly between modernists and conservatives, but also on various rites and rituals. And there are differences between which “Church” Council mass one might follow (e.g. Trent or Tridentine versus post-Vatican 2). And among the more traditional Catholics are those who not only insist on retaining Latin, but some go all the way to rejecting the modern popes (e.g. Sedevacantists).

And far from holding one set of doctrine and catechism, teachings in Romanism have evolved. After all, teachings have actually developed over time, even quite recently:

Veneration of angels and dead saints — 375 AD
Worship of Mary — 471 AD
Extreme unction — 526 AD
Purgatory first established in 593 AD
Invocation of saints — 600/700 AD
Kissing the pope’s feet — 707 AD
Image worship — 787/788 AD
Canonisation — 995 AD
Infallibility — 1086
Indulgences — 1190/1563
Confession — 1215
Transubstantiation — 1215
Supremacy — 1215
Half communion — 1415
Purgatory — 1438/1439
Seven sacraments — 1439/1547
Apocryphal books — 1547
Priestly intention — 1547
Venial sins — 1563
Sacrifice of the mass — 1563
Immaculate conception — 1834
Papal infallibility — 1870
Assumption of the Virgin Mary — 1950

Also, different Vulgates have been approved over time which differ in various passages. They are the Sistine, Clementine (with sub-catagories), Stuttgart and Nova Vulgata.

Bible Revisionist MKO shocked about PCE

A Bible Revisionist (who attempted to alter the King James Bible throughout) known as “MKO” has posted on a viciously anti-King James Bible only forum that he is surprised how much the PCE has been accepted. Of course he and his friends cannot refrain from making all kinds of false accusations, including trying to link the PCE with Mormonism and even suggesting that we are one step away from saying that certain type-fonts are authentic. It seems that this “MKO” spent years trying to make his revision, which is, of course, unacceptable (and is languishing in obscurity).

Instead of staying with the time-honoured and accepted standards of King James Bible words, spelling and punctuation, he fiddled here and there, even using the Tomson Version as a reference to make changes!

“Although based predominantly on the original 1611 text with ye olde englysshe spellynge, the punctuation and spelling are both thoroughly modernized to 2008/2015 standards, which differentiates this edition from versions which are modernized to 1769 standards (as most current editions are). I understand some people will absolutely fault me for this choice, as well as for some of the editorial decisions I made; all the decisions I made were made to the best of my ability and knowledge, although some may say I took some liberty with the text.”

The warning here is: “Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.” (Proverbs 22:28). That’s why we need to stick with the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible.

Shall Jesus find faith on the Earth?

Luke 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Some people sincerely believe that although God avenges His people, and saves them when they cry to Him, that apparently the question about faith on the Earth implies a negative answer.

Is Jesus coming back when there will not be faith on the Earth? The Biblical answer is that there will be faith when Christ returns, because (after all) who is it that He is coming for?

There must be many saved people because the Gospel must go to the nations (see Matthew 24:14; 28:19, 20). There must be many saved because Jesus said one will be taken and one left (which statistically is about 50% of the adult population). Also, the fact the knowledge of God should cover the Earth as the waters cover the sea would make for about 71% of the Earth’s total population (including children), since that is the percentage of water coverage on the Earth’s surface (see Habakkuk 2:14).

The Church, while on Earth, must grow up.

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Ephesians 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Australians are saying “no” to Islam

Australians are saying “no” to Islam. But saying “no” is not enough, without a proper basis for a counteractive idea. A person can use secularist and humanist principles to say “no” to Islam, but those ideas do not provide a real solution.

There have been calls to “reform” Islam (from a secularist basis). The best attack that secularism has against Islam is to attack the Koran. Here’s how:

1. There are different ante-Uthmanic versions of the Koran.
2. These were suppressed by Uthman, whose own edited standard version has had various textual variations.
3. The printing of the Koran in the 20th century required the editing of a standard text.

Secondly, secularist scholarship can then introduce questions about translation, and about interpretation. Thus, the secularist has the means of undermining Mohammedanism, and can make emotional pleas about how women are treated or how repressive Muslim society is.

The problem is that the secularist does not have a viable alternative that can either change the heart properly, or bring in true peace. The real solution is to have viable and properly taught Christianity as a witness, to convert people into the Biblical religion.

Bible prophecies about Islam (with links)

The following links are to the book, Multiple Fulfilments of Bible Prophecy by Matthew Verschuur & Craig Savige.

(Some music to listen to while you read.)

Ishmael in Genesis: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=UnAfBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA117#v=onepage&q&f=false

Mohammad in Daniel chapter eight: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=UnAfBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA230#v=onepage&q&f=false

Mohammad and Islam in Daniel chapter 11: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=UnAfBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA295#v=onepage&q&f=false

Islam in history in Daniel chapter 12: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=UnAfBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA357#v=onepage&q&f=false

The fifth trumpet of Revelation as the Saracens: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=UnAfBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA558#v=onepage&q&f=false

The sixth trumpet of Revelation as the Turks: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=UnAfBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA563#v=onepage&q&f=false

National prophecies and events in relation to Islam: https://books.google.com.au/books?id=UnAfBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA1050#v=onepage&q&f=false