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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('54', '6c15256a08', 'What are the consequences of false religion?', 'Firstly, it must be established that the whole duty of man is to love and serve the true God and Him only (see Ecclesiastes 12:13). As the Scripture says in Matthew 22:37, 38: &quot;Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.&quot; 

Reconciliation with God the Father can be obtained by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ alone. &quot;Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.&quot; (John 14:6). 

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('53', '2bbe39511b', 'Where is the authority?', 'Also, certainty for believers is covered in the following: &quot;Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.&quot; (2 Timothy 1:13). Unless the words are &quot;sound&quot; and certain, why hold fast to them?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('27', '3999ef2b7f', 'In store rooms!', 'Yes, it\'s true that many store rooms hold what some call &quot;out-of-date&quot; material. I saw a whole room at the back of a church once filled with old hymnals, Bibles, Christian books. I wonder where they are now.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('28', 'dade5c36cb', 'Firmament and the KJB', 'The King James Bible is unique in its doctrine concerning the firmament. This is very important because the modern versions go into complete error and lose much meaning by changing away from using &quot;firmament&quot; in Genesis 1.

&quot;In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.&quot; (Genesis 1:1). This verse shows 2 localities - the place of heaven where God\'s throne is and the place of earth where God placed man.

The firmament or atmosphere around earth is described as follows: &quot;And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.&quot; (Genesis 1:7, . This firmament around earth is also known as the first heaven (ie. first positionally from earth).

The second heaven is the starry part of the universe (also called &quot;the firmament of the heaven&quot;). The third heaven is where God\'s throne is - &quot;I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.&quot; (2 Corinthians 12:2).

Thus, it is very easy to see that the King James Bible makes complete sense with the doctrine of the firmament. There is a firmament of the earth (ie. the atmosphere) and the firmament of the heaven (ie. the rest of the universe outside of the place where God\'s throne is). The &quot;firmament of the heaven&quot; is where the stars, planets and other celestial lights are located. &quot;And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years&quot; (Genesis 1:14).

The word &quot;firmament&quot; denotes something that clearly has some firmness to it. This has been recognised by many throughout history since the atmosphere shields the earth from all types of meteors, particles, debris and other space junk, as well as from harmful radiation. Also, rockets trying to enter the atmosphere would get burnt up if they did not come in at a particular angle. Hence, we need to see that the King James Bible makes the most scientific sense in its use of &quot;firmament&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('6', '6c6ddbd191', 'Family First', 'There is an Australian political party called &quot;Family First&quot;. It is led by people who claim to be &quot;Pentecostal Christians&quot;, but have forsaken much of traditional Pentecostalism, including: forsaking the King James Bible, joining with Roman Catholicism and adding in various heresies to their views. They have put &quot;feeling&quot; as the supreme truth.

The truth is that Australians generally, and true Christians specifically should not vote for Family First at any election. This is because Jesus said that family was not first.

“He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.” (Matthew 10:37, 38).

Jesus said that God’s way is first.

“But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.” (Matthew 6:33).

The Bible says that it is the highest thing.

“I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.” (Psalm 138:2).

It is evident that the Holy Ghost is not guiding or leading people to support Family First.

Gary Plumridge, an aspiring leader for Family First, has his own website (his own name).

On his site he says, &quot;Social drinking is fine&quot;.

Since Family First is not representing true Christian values to begin with, any claim that drinking alcohol is &quot;fine&quot; is evidence of where carnal Christianity, feeling religion and the compromised Laodicean thinking leads.

&quot;Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you&quot; (2 Corinthians 6:17).

Gary Plumridge, the local candidate for the Senate for Family First, claims that one of his heroes is the author of the book &quot;A Fortunate Life&quot;. I remember being forced to read it at the Bell Post Hill school I attended, and that at the very end, the author stated that he didn\'t believe in God, but that on the whole, he had a fortunate life. This is a belief in &quot;luck&quot;, a most unchristian concept, and even more unchristian is the author\'s denial of God. It is rather strange that Plumridge\'s hero is someone who was an agnostic.

I also remember how Mr Plumridge helped several members of the Assemblies of God purchase shares in Telstra. When &quot;mums and dads got burnt&quot; (because the share price dropped lower than the original buying price), I heard one &quot;dad&quot; say that he couldn\'t get hold of Mr Plumridge, because Mr Plumridge was (in his opinion) deliberately avoiding getting back to them, because &quot;he didn\'t want to know about it&quot;. Perhaps Mr Plumridge was putting his own family first at the time.

And as for his admission to being “sports mad”, he should hear the Gospel, how Christ cures people from madness. Furthermore, how the Apostle wrote, “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.” (1 John 2:15). That would include putting too much emphasis on footballs and things like that.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('19', '6676259dc1', 'Where to find the Pure King James Bible online', 'The following addresses have pure King James Bibles: 

[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com[/url] 
1. text files (including fully formatted with small capitals, italics, paragraph marks, &quot;æ&quot; ash symbol and correct hyphenation) 
2. pdf file 

[url]http://av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-bible-text/index.html[/url]
1. HTML format

[url]http://www.swordsearcher.com[/url]
1. downloadable program (free trial offered) with many additional features, including Strongs, commentaries, etc., has PCE as a module for version 5.2, will have the PCE for versions after 5.2, fully searchable

[url]http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/kjv/index.html[/url]
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2. HTML files behind it (some tiny typographical errors in text) 

[url]http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/kjv.browse.html[/url]
This is the University of Virginia (some tiny typographical errors in the text)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('20', '4871d9d961', 'What is the Pure Cambridge Edition?', 'In simple terms, the Pure Cambridge Edition is the pure form of the King James Bible that has every word and letter correct. 

It is the edition that was printed by Cambridge from about the year 1900. 

To know whether a King James Bible is a Pure Cambridge Edition, look at whether Ezra 2:26 has the spelling “Geba”. 

By using this checklist, you will be able to tell whether you have the pure text. If you don\'t, I suggest that you get hold of it, because God\'s Word is very important, and you know (by your own conscience) that you should have the pure words. 

1. “or Sheba” not “and Sheba” in Joshua 19:2 
2. “sin” not “sins” in 2 Chronicles 33:19 
3. “Spirit of God” not “spirit of God” in Job 33:4 
4. “whom ye” not “whom he” in Jeremiah 34:16 
5. “Spirit of God” not “spirit of God” in Ezekiel 11:24 
6. “flieth” not “fleeth” in Nahum 3:16 
7. “Spirit” not “spirit” in Matthew 4:1 
8. “further” not “farther” in Matthew 26:39 
9. “bewrayeth” not “betrayeth” in Matthew 26:73 
10. “Spirit” not “spirit” in Mark 1:12 
11. “spirit” not “Spirit” in Acts 11:28 
12. “spirit” not “Spirit” in 1 John 5:8');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('21', 'ff8c8a84e1', 'Is God\'s Word perfect in English?', 'IS GOD’S WORD PERFECT IN ENGLISH? 

True Christians have believed that the Word of God is perfect. 

“The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul” (Psalm 19:7a). The law is made up of words. “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:18). Every jot and tittle must have their perfect place in the perfect law. “As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.” (Psalm 18:30). 

The Word of God is perfect, but the question is whether or not the Word of God is perfect in English. 

The translators of the King James Bible believed they were handling the Word of God. They mentioned “the perfection of the Scripture”, “The Scriptures then being acknowledged to be so full and so perfect”, and moreover they imply that a translation can be perfect, first by showing that one or some translations were imperfect, “that translation was not so sound and so perfect”, “some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it”, and by indicating that perfection was achievable, “Yet for all that, as nothing is begun and perfected at the same time”. 

If the Word of God is passed into English, there would need to be conceptual perfection, which would require the exact text being presented (which words belong?), the proper translation (which meaning is right?) and the proper presentation (which English word is right and in which order?). 

Even if the King James Bible translators were believing that their version was not jot and tittle perfect, they were at least believing that they had presented the Word of God in English, and their words and actions do not deny that their version was indeed to be providentially used of God. 

But even while they knew of the human aspect of their own work and the workings of purification in successive editions, they would doubtlessly assent to the providence of God at work, for they spoke of their work as being “one more exact Translation of the holy Scriptures into the English Tongue” and recognising that the “good hand of the Lord” was upon them. 

Was every jot and tittle perfect in the lifetime of the translators? Believers would assent, though knowing that various editing had needed to or was taking place on that Bible, such as is evidenced by the concerted work of 1638. They would believe the truth must be there in English, despite what they thought may have been difficulties. 

And over the years, the King James Bible was considered to be “the Word”. Various Puritans argued that the King James Bible needed to be revised during the time of Oliver Cromwell. All attempts to do so always failed, because of providences in associated events. Cromwell, from what we can read about him, was always content to trust in God, and follow signs of providence, so the indications of events to people like him must have been interpreted that the King James Bible was the Word of God. Indeed, Cromwell’s own writings and speeches indicate that he was using the King James Bible, not the Geneva Version. 

And in time, even someone like Dean Burgon, while giving credence to the human aspect of the Version, saw that the translators’ work ought to be retained. But he saw small problems which he did not recognise how to fix, though he attempted to make a certainty about the Greek text, he saw that providence must be yielded to. In fact, providence was indicating that certainty ought to be come to in the English, and that the jots and tittles in English were to be sure. 

Edward Hills could recognise the providences, but even he was unable to recognise a jot and tittle correct presentation. He could see that the King James Bible was not going to lead anyone astray, and he saw how God had used it, nevertheless, he could not fully see how there could be one or a final edition. 

Even Donald Waite, and those like him, while believing that the King James Bible is the Word of God in English, denied that the King James Bible could be fully inerrant, in that while the text must be correct, and that while the translation was right, there were in fact more possibilities in translation, though this never meant that any English translated word was wrong. 

At the basis of this, we find that while believers know that the Word of God is perfect, and see that it is perfect in English, or that it should be perfect in English, they could not see how, or see it exactly, or recognise it when it was manifested. This was because the knowledge of it had to be arrived at. 

On the other hand, the argument that states that no work of man can be perfect, or that imperfection must necessarily manifest is upheld by many. (Anti-KJBO people especially.) To some degree did the previous believers hold to this view. 

They were trying to explain how the Word of God could be perfect in English to the jot and tittle, yet account for either the theory of human imperfection, or acknowledge something or other that was, in their thought, an imperfection in the English Bible. (And there were impurities.) 

Another view was also formed, to try and explain the perfection of the English Bible, which is to say that the translators were inspired. This has created an Ishmael. The problem is that if the Bible was inspired in 1611 (at what point?), the printers messed it up, and the same problem arises again, because of variations and corrections that have occurred over time. That inspiration hypothesis would require that the editor of 1769 also being inspired, and would then have the same problem again because of the differences to the 1769 Edition which appear in various present editions. To argue that the King James Bible (and which edition?) was itself inspired today is unscriptural, unhistorical and really illogical. 

Therefore, after this Ishmael, we should see that there is an Isaac. 

Since the Scripture shows that the law of the Lord should be perfect, to the jot and tittle, and should not pass away, but come to all nations, and be present today in English, as various Scriptures indicate, then there must indeed be a final English Version and Translation (the King James Bible), and a final edition (the Pure Cambridge Edition) and a final Bible for the world (the same). 

Now, how can such perfection come from imperfection, that is to say, both human imperfection, and from imperfect knowledge, that is, people who were imperfect who did not yet see, because of the imperfection of knowledge, that the Word which they had, the King James Bible, was indeed going toward and finally THE Bible, perfect to the jot and tittle? 

The explanation for this is because of the providential continuum. Christ is building the Church. The Spirit is bringing knowledge to believers. Just as there was a gathering of the words in the Reformation, just as there was a succession of purification of English Bibles, and more especially, of editions of the King James Bible, so was the manifestation of the perfection being providentially revealed and furthered. 

On the other hand, some knowledge was going backwards. The detailed insight of the translators was being lost, yet on other respects, by receiving the King James Bible, and the advance of truth, various people over time were furthering the cause of the Gospel, simply by receiving the Word of God. The particular knowledge of things was largely lost, that is to say, knowledge of how to translate properly, especially in the twentieth century, nevertheless, due to a refinement, a focus, a preservation by God, the providential appointment of a faithful and worthy Remnant, we find that there was a King James Bible movement, and in that many necessary ideas being kept providentially, that would allow for the formulation of the doctrine of the jot and tittle correct Word, that is, it being manifested, and also being discerned and understood. 

This, despite the view that the King James Bible was not perfect, or the unbelief that the Word of God could be jot and tittle perfect in English. And so, the emphasis on translating and related things has diminished (modernism has irrecoverably tainted it), while the English language has risen in international importance. 

It comes down to present believers understanding that God by His divine providence used the translators to present the correct form of Scripture, and that through time, God has sovereignly superintended over His Word in English, and so that this tradition is to be received. “Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.” (2 Thessalonians 3:6). “Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” (Jude verse 3). 

We now come to the most extraordinary matter, that perfection is the result of God’s provision. What men did not at one time see or recognise, or what was really in the plan of God all along, namely, that what God provides is perfect, “He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.” (Deuteronomy 32:4). Therefore, since the King James Bible has been provided by God, it must be perfect. 

Again, “As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.” (Psalm 18:30). The perfect God would ensure that His Word is perfect in English. This is because the work of God is perfect, and since He has brought the Word into English, we must now have it in perfection. 

Who would have thought that such human endeavours, such thoughts and actions of believers were indeed part of this providential continuum, so that we might actually find that the King James Bible today is the Word of God in English, that is, to the jot and tittle, that shows God’s use of English and that it is the final form of the Word for the whole world? This being by God’s providence, and not manufactured, manipulated or produced by the mere wit of man, but was ordained of God out of eternity, and with massive and dreadful signs, and glorious expectations, should continue to shine, in boundless effect and wonder, to the bringing together the hope of the ages, the conversion of nations into the Gospel of Christ.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('9', '69db99c13e', 'Jehovah', 'What is God\'s name?

&quot;Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?&quot; (Proverbs 30:4).

Two questions: what is God\'s name and what is His Son\'s name?

To find the answer we look in the pure Word.

&quot;Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.&quot; (Proverbs 30:5).

And the Pure Word shows us that God\'s name is JEHOVAH.

&quot;And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.&quot; (Exodus 6:3).

&quot;That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.&quot; (Psalm 83:18).

Also, we know that the Son of God is JESUS, which means Jehovah saves.

&quot;And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.&quot; (Matthew 1:21).

You have to know that name to get salvation.

&quot;For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.&quot; (Romans 10:13).

The modernists attack the name of Jehovah, saying it is wrong, producing the letters YHWH and the name YAHWEH

This is based upon pride, Jewish fables and devilish ideas.

According to Jewish fables, the name of God could not be mentioned out of so-called reverence, fear of blaspheming the name, and a superstitious fear of their enemies invoking the name of that god in battle, but it is plain that the Scripture does not make the name of God ineffable or unmentionable:

Another Jewish fable is that this god YHWH or Yahweh means “self existent one” and is pronounced by exhaling air or breath. Furthermore, they claim that this Yahweh is an awesome presence. It should be clear that Yahweh is a very different deity to the personal God of the true believing Hebrews in the Old Testament who is the same as the God of the Christian King James Bible.

&quot;And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali. For I will take away the names of Baalim out of her mouth, and they shall no more be remembered by their name.&quot; (Hosea 2:16, 17).

Since the sinners, including the Israelites on many occasions, turned to Baal, this “Ishi”, would be a wrong name to call our God. But liberal theologians, freemasons and anthropologists say that Moses adopted a local partisan tribal god, a Canaanite mountain god, and made him the God of Israel. They might say that Moses invented our God from Baal.

In the time of the Church fathers, after the death of the Apostle John, certain heretics (such as Gnostics) mixed Christianity with pagan religions. They tried to make the Christian God equal to a pagan God. Thus, in their writings we find references to IAOAI, IAOE and IAO, etc.

Yet the Masoretic Hebrew, and the English Bible all preserved the proper name of God as JEHOVAH.

By 1869 the modernists had come up with a theory that changed the name of God to the name of a Babylonian god called Yahu.

This is how they changed JEHOVAH to be the Babylonian god YAHU.

1. They claimed that the pronunciation of the letter “J” (as is found throughout the Bible) was really the sound “y”. In the making of modern Hebrew (which was constructed by the Zionist movement, especially between about 1882 and about the year 1900), the sound of “j” was not given. Likewise, the sound of the letter “v” was changed to a “w” sound. So in modern Hebrew, instead of JHVH there was YHWH.

2. Secondly, the modernists claimed, along with certain Hebrew teachers, that a different set of vowels should be used, so instead of the vowels of JEHOVAH, another set of vowel sounds should be used, which turned JEHOVAH to YAHWEH. Of course, YAHWEH is really a variety of the Babylonian name of the Chaldean god YAHU.

3. Thirdly, using the writings of certain heretics, Jewish tradition, modernist thought, liberal theology and the Roman Catholic-backed Kabbala (Jewish magic), certain German modern scholars began to promote the idea that the real name was “Yahweh”.

Modern versions, which attack the King James Bible, agree that YHWH or Yahweh is correct because it is probably correct:

The NIV Preface uses the letters YHWH and speaks of ‘linguistic studies in this [last] century’.

The Preface to the New American Standard Bible says, ‘It has been known for many years YHWH has been transliterated Yahweh, however, not complete certainty attaches to this pronunciation’.

The Thomas Nelson publishing company in the New Open Study Bible state: ‘It is very likely that the name was pronounced very much like “Yahweh.” Comparisons with transliterations of the name into other alphabets from very ancient times confirm this. The best argument for the spelling is that it is probably historically accurate.’

In reality, the word “YAHWEH” appears in English in 1869, long after the word “JEHOVAH”, which is correct in the King James Bible.

The name of Jehovah is to be blessed (Psalm 103:1), praised (Psalm 142:7), declared (John 17:26) and held to (Rev. 2:13). Further, it is an eternal name (Psalm 135:13), whereby help is obtained (Psalm 124:8).

&quot;Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.&quot; (Isaiah 12:2).

&quot;Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength&quot; (Isaiah 26:4).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('33', '1f34457756', 'Cultural warfare', 'The Biblical culture must be re-established in Australia and indeed all the Western nations. This is the challenge ahead. The good thing is that the King James Bible has everything needed to cut through all the cultural filth in a nation.

&quot;Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.&quot; (Jeremiah 6:16).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('34', '05725b3bc0', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'There have been KJBO people who have attacked Victory Faith Centre on the fact that it is a Pentecostal Church. But does being Pentecostal have anything to do with the KJBO position?

&quot;After a person is born again, the Holy Ghost leads the believer to be an instrument of God’s power on the Earth. This is where the baptism of the Holy Ghost is imperative.&quot; (see http://www.bibleprotector.com/The_Baptism_of_the_Holy_Ghost.pdf )

Whilst it is not necessary to be Pentecostal to come to the KJBO position, there will be in the future more of an emphasis on the Holy Ghost\'s leading into all truth through the traditional Pentecostal stance. This should not be neglected. Many anti-Pentecostals have most likely only seen the present day charismatic, Romanist-compromised, feelings-based false Pentecostals.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('35', '68c479e8ec', 'Women in Ministry', 'I\'m glad you started this thread. This issue seems to be a point of contention for quite a number of people who are convinced that women have no place in a pastoral role. This is a sad view however, because in practice it silences the voices of many women who have been called of God to preach the Gospel. It\'s a sad thing for someone to have a call on their life and not be able to fufil it because of the stifling influence of wrongly-held views. If anyone looks honestly at the Scripture, they\'ll see that God is all about raising people up to their potential and helping them to get on with the work that He has called them to do. We are all co-labourers in God and women have a lot to contribute in the ministerial area. For starters one example can be seen in the Old Testament: &quot;And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.&quot; (Joel 2:28, 29). There is a lot encompassed when God says that the daughters of the Kingdom of God will prophesy. If you have a look in the Oxford Dictionary, to prophesy means to speak as a prophet. What is a prophet? It is defined as an inspired teacher, a revealer or interpreter of God\'s will. One who expounds the Scriptures. This clearly is involved in the ministerial role. The practice of women in ministry is Biblically supported.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('36', '4eff9c74c2', 'Women in Ministry', 'Another example of God using women in a ministerial role is seen in 2 Kings 22 (also 2 Chronicles 34) where under the reign of King Josiah, the Book of the Law was found when the House of the Lord was being repaired. It was then brought before the King. The King\'s instructions were as follows: &quot;Go ye, inquire of the LORD for me, and for the people, and for all Judah, concerning the words of this book that is found: for great is the wrath of the LORD that is kindled against us, because our fathers have not hearkened unto the words of this book, to do according unto all that which is written concerning us. So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah, went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college and they communed with her.&quot; (2 Kings 22:13, 14). These men of God went to a woman prophetess who was obviously respected for her honest delivery of God\'s message to the King and to the nation. God has historically used women to speak His Word in a powerful way.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('37', '4dec5cb127', 'Women in Ministry', 'In the Bible, there\'s explanation that women have been and are being used to minister for God both in the Church congregational setting and in the &quot;go ye into all the world&quot; sense as well. The domination of the Romanists have put women in an untenable position ministerially for years.

Now the twisting has been put by some with the following verse: &quot;Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:34,35).

This verse is clear about the Corinthian women - &quot;your women&quot;. Clearly, these women were not &quot;under obedience&quot; and they had to learn from &quot;their husbands&quot;. To put a blanket ban on all women everywhere through all history is a clear twisting. As there has been revelation, specifically through the true Pentecostals, there has been a release for women to do what God has called them to do. As for the plural - &quot;churches&quot; - in this verse, the city of Corinth would have had more than one congregation. The confusion nature of the Corinthian Church in using the gifts of the Spirit is seen in the following verses: &quot;For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:32) and &quot;Let all things be done decently and in order.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:40).

The established order for the Church is as follows: &quot;But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.&quot; (1 Corinthians 11:3). This must be compared with: &quot;For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.&quot; (Ephesians 5:23,24). As long as the submission is present where the woman is subject to the husband, there is no reason whatsoever why the woman cannot minister in the Church.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('11', '3057d0ba64', 'Cultural warfare', 'History and destiny go together.

We are in a cultural war in Australia, which is an information warfare concerning what is the basis of our nation, and what is our role.

The Left have a completely unbiblical view. They think that the gospel coming to the natives is as bad as what the Nazis did. If Australian history starts tens of thousands of years ago in a mixture of evolution and Aboriginal myth, then the Book which Captain Cook read to his crew, the Book that was carried by the First Fleet in 1788, the Book which was exalted by many good men is invalid. Surely this is the REAL INTENTION of the leftist agenda.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_armband_view_of_history#Black_armband_debate[/url]

If the King James Bible is the basis of our nation, it must follow that our destiny is linked with the King James Bible!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('24', 'f8f59937fb', 'Pure Bible on Ebay', 'I checked out a Cambridge Edition of the Holy Bible the other day on Ebay, and I found an interesting thing. Somebody had already asked about Ezra 2:26 Re- Geba / Gaba.
I have asked the same question on a few stores but now include Mark 1:12.
That is because I have a Geba Cambridge, but it reads spirit in Mark 1:12.
So I take it that it is not a pure Cambridge edition. It would be interesting to go through that Bible and compare with the Pure Cambridge Edition.
By the way, I won that Bible on Ebay!
I also found out that they hold auctions on Ebay as well. But that appears to be quite expensive.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('25', 'e0a25cc439', 'Buying pure KJBs second hand', 'At the moment, some people do not know the value of their KJB if it is pure. Most have only cost me a few dollars each... sometimes they have given them to me for free. I paid $25 (Australian) for a huge one that was in almost mint condition. The funny thing is that various religious people are especially under-valuing the price of the pure Word, not to mention the SPIRITUAL worth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('26', '5cfbff6492', 'Wonderful Words of Life!', 'Yes, I agree.
 I had one church get rid of their KJB\'s to me, seeing that they had backslid to the modern fandangle type versions.
I have seen piles of KJB\'s in the closet of churches. Just breaks my heart.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('29', 'f667e41ae1', 'Dragons and the KJB', 'It is also significant to note that if creationists go away from the King James Bible, then they undermine one of the most powerful arguments for the historical record of dinosaurs, namely the use of the word &quot;dragon&quot;. The KJB treats dragons as real creatures that existed alongside man. Obviously, there has been embellishment (outside of Biblical accounts) of what dragons were but if we stay with the Biblical descriptions, we can see that they match quite well with dinosaurs as large lizard-like creatures.

&quot;And the wild beasts of the islands shall cry in their desolate houses, and dragons in their pleasant palaces: and her time is near to come, and her days shall not be prolonged.&quot; (Isaiah 13:22).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('30', 'ff457990a4', 'Pure doctrine and the KJB', 'In the latest Creation Ministries International catalogue, there\'s the statement: &quot;This powerful message [creationism] takes the lid off the most deadly spiritual battle of our time - the authority of the Bible, the real issue in the origins debate.&quot;

Sadly, although they recognise that this is indeed what the fight is over - the authority of the Bible, they are ill equipped to deal with it since they do not hold to a perfect and pure Word but, in fact, their website attacks various King James Bible verses, doctrines and words. Dr Kent Hovind exposes their inconsistency in the following example: www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=52

Unless creationists hold to a pure Word, they will be thwarted at every turn by unbelief, doubt and rebellion.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('31', '7579772b31', 'Women in Ministry', 'Victory Faith Centre has in its Church Doctrinal Statement under &quot;Ministry in the Church&quot; the following: &quot;Elders in Victory Faith Centre Inc can be either men or women since \'there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.\' (Gal. 3:28). The scriptures, 1 Cor. 14:34–36 and 1 Tim. 2:11–15, should not be used to exclude women from ministry at Victory Faith Centre Inc.&quot;

The question can be posed: Is this position supported by Scripture?

In answering this, we need to understand that God has used women constantly throughout history to speak His Word. This fact is indeed in the Bible.

Note what is said of Abigail in the following verses. &quot;And David said to Abigail, Blessed be the LORD God of Israel, which sent thee this day to meet me: And blessed be thy advice, and blessed be thou, which hast kept me this day from coming to shed blood, and from avenging myself with mine own hand.&quot; (1 Samuel 25:32,33).

We can gather then that:
(1) Abigail was sent by God.
(2) Abigail spoke from God.
(3) Her advice (ie. what she spoke) was blessed.
(4) Abigail herself was blessed.

Those who say that women should not minister neglect many Bible verses. But more on this later.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('32', '1f35c29431', 'Women in Ministry', 'Paul says in 1 Timothy 2:12, &quot;But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.&quot; Notice it does not say &quot;I suffer not ANY woman to teach&quot; or &quot;I suffer not ALL women to teach&quot; or &quot;I suffer not ALL women to teach AT ANY TIME&quot;. The wrong application of this verse has been tragic and has restricted the ministry of the Church, which so desperately needs godly ministry.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('23', 'f8dd316f2c', 'Creationism and the KJB', 'We believe that as creationists abandon the KJB, they are getting into all kinds of troubles. For example, one particular Australian creationist organisation which no longer exclusively uses the King James Bible, has got into the following errors: 

1. Denial of the firmament, that is, a construct of waters, see Genesis 1:6. They now believe in an “expanse” according to modernists. 

2. Denial of unicorns as real creatures, see Deuteronomy 33:17. They say that this word is a wrong translation for a kind of wild bull as is translated by modernists. 

3. Denial of Cainan in the genealogy of Christ at Luke 3:36. They claim that the appearance of a name in this place is a scribal mistake as is taught by some modernists. 

4. Denial of fixedness and absoluteness of time, see Genesis 1:14–19, Jeremiah 51:16, etc. They have adopted a view from the unbelieving Einstein, which states that time is passing at different speeds throughout the physical universe. 

As for those who stand for the King James Bible and creation, if (and as) they are persecuted, “Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.” (Matthew 5:12). 

****** 

I sent an email to Dr Jonathan Sarfati this year concerning his anti-King James Bible view. He replied saying that it was not hard to convince Ken Ham and others to depart from the King James Bible. 

Their ministry, once known as the Creation Science Foundation, then Answers in Genesis, uses the Modern King James Version, which has all kinds of alterations to the traditional King James Bible. This is more than an impure King James Bible, but is really a modern version. 

Dr Sarfati relies on James White\'s anti-King James Bible only book as an authority. This book is deeply flawed, and misrepresents or ignores a proper King James Bible only view. 

****** 

There is a real weakening of creationist doctrine if the King James Bible is abandoned, as can be noted by observing Dr Sarfati and his cohorts. 

Weakening, undermining and attack is evident in: 
a. Bible doctrine, 
b. correct assessment of evidence, and 
c. ministry cohesion. 

Concerning the weakening of Bible doctrine: 

1. Accepting modernist ideas, Jewish fables and modern versions. 

2. Treating Seventh Day Adventism as legitimate. 

3. Stating that the Bible is 99% perfect/correct. 

4. Rejecting or having problems with King James Bible words and terminology, such as “firmament”, “science”, “unicorn”, “badgers’”, “Cainan” and so on. 

Concerning the incorrect assessment of evidence: 

1. They claim that a low amount of moon dust does not indicate a young moon. Yet, if the moon was millions of years old, it is more likely that more dust would be found there, therefore, this is a valid point to consider concerning the youth of the moon. 

2. They claim that the Scripture stating “science falsely so called” (1 Timothy 6:20) does not refer to evolution. This is an absurd statement. When Darwinism first appeared, Christians did indeed call it “science falsely so called”. Furthermore, all the twisting of meaning of words in the Greek, or Latin, does not invalidate the plain meaning which has been presented in the King James Bible. Since science is a body of knowledge, and the system for applying knowledge, then the English word “science” must indeed be correct. 

3. They reject the canopy theory, which is based on a proper understanding of the firmament in Genesis 1:6, which the King James Bible shows was keeping a layer of water (steam, liquid and/or ice) in the atmosphere. 

4. They reject that there was rain before the flood. Since no one had seen a rainbow before the time of Noah, there must have been no rain. Also, the Scripture says that the Earth was watered by mist and by artesian springs. 

5. They reject the truth that there is an amazing degree of scientific insight in the Bible, including understanding of natural cycles, the Earth’s shape, electricity, radio waves and so on. 

6. They reject the theory that the speed of light has decreased over time, when this is Biblical, and held to be plausible by some secular scientists. The reason why they reject &quot;light decay&quot; is because they rather strangely accept a model based on the unbelieving Einstein’s theory of special relatively. This means rejecting that there is absolute time in the universe. They claim that time is passing at different speeds everywhere, even around the Earth! Thus, they are able to allow for potentially millions of years passing in distant galaxies, while only seven thousand years have elapsed on Earth. Yet, the Bible makes many statements concerning fixed periods of time, showing that any particular moment is an absolute moment. For example, the stars were to “give light upon the earth: and it was so” (see Genesis 1:15). Not even one day had passed, yet the light reached the Earth, showing that the speed of light was near instant, and time was going at the normal rate. There are plenty of examples of Scripture indicating absolute time throughout the universe, for example, see John 4:50–53. 

7. They reject the fact that Japanese fishermen pulled up the body of a giant sea dinosaur on a boat, even though Japan\'s evolutionary scientists believe that this was a REPTILE, not the decaying body of a shark. 

Concerning the lack of cohesion in their own ministry. 

1. Believing that they are the creationist “police”, and while they may point out wrong views by some creationists, their primary rejection of the King James Bible has now led to unsound judgments concerning others creationists’ teachings in certain places. 

2. A breakdown has occurred, causing this ministry to be split between its American and Australian branches.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('38', 'ba50650be0', 'Women in Ministry', 'We read of Anna the prophetess as follows:
&quot;And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity; And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day. And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.&quot; (Luke 2:36-3 .

From this, we see:
(1) Anna was a prophetess.
(2) She departed not from the temple.
(3) She served God.
(4) In the temple - &quot;she coming in&quot; - &quot;spake of him [God] to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('39', '4ca541e666', 'Women in Ministry', 'We find that &quot;Miriam the prophetess&quot; (see Exodus 15:20) is classed as a leader of Israel with Moses and Aaron in Micah 6:4. God used them all to get His people out of Egypt. This importantly shows that women can indeed be used alongside men in a very public role.

&quot;For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of servants; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.&quot; (Micah 6:4).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('40', 'b2aceb3695', 'Women in Ministry', 'Another example of a woman in a public ministry role is seen in Judges 4:4, 5:
“And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Beth-el in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.” This woman was a judge of Israel, which was a public position of great responsibility. This chapter also shows how God used Deborah to deliver a prophetic word to Barak regarding the liberation of Israel from the Canaanites. Barak valued Deborah’s guidance so much that he wanted her with him before he would take action.

If you examine this issue logically, and compare Scripture with Scripture, you will see that if God would allow a woman to teach in the Temple, as Anna did, or publicly judge His nation, as Deborah did, or speak to a King regarding obedience to God, as Huldah did, or look after a Church (as Priscilla did, together with her husband Aquila for the Church that was in their house), why today would He prohibit women from standing up in front of a Church to preach? Christianity shows the truth that God values women and He doesn’t prohibit their public ministry.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('41', '40def2e367', 'Women in Ministry', 'Quote:
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Now the twisting has been put by some with the following verse: &quot;Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:34,35). This verse is clear about the Corinthian women - &quot;your women&quot;. Clearly, these women were not &quot;under obedience&quot; and they had to learn from &quot;their husbands&quot;.
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I was reading these verses from 1 Corinthians again recently and I must say that a plain reading of Scripture reveals the truth exactly as you have stated it in your quote above. Obviously, there was a problem with Corinthian women speaking out of turn in the Church setting at that time. I also thought it was significant that the Scripture says &quot;...a shame for women to speak in the church.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:35), using the word \'speak\'. The Scripture doesn\'t say it is a shame for women to preach or teach in the Church. It is however a shame for women (and men too) to speak out of turn in the Church, eg in an unedifying manner, to their fellow attendees (the way Jezebel women do). That is why God has emphasised &quot;Let all things be done decently and in order.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:40).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('15', '257bdd0075', 'Purifications vindicated', 'The King James Bible has not been changed in underlying text or translation, but has undergone a purification since 1611 to the Pure Cambridge Edition, especially in regards to eliminating typesetting mistakes and standardising the langauge. Here are some examples:

1. Shamefacedness

Norton reports that “shamefacedness” in the present King James Bible must be an error, because the word “shamefastness” appears in 1611. This argument has been taken up by some anti-King James Bible only people. Norton claims, “More drastically, for the change is arguably a change of word and meaning”. (Norton, A Textual History, Cambridge, page 100).

The Oxford English Dictionary indicates that “shamefacedness” is a standardised spelling of “shamefastness”, and although the spelling “shamefacedness” appeared in 1555, the divergence in meaning did come about until later. The Oxford English Dictionary gives far more lengthy definitions for “shamefastness”, which includes “a feeling of shame”.

We can be certain that the meaning of “shamefacedness” was meant in 1611, because Paul was not commanding Christian women to feel ashamed, only that they should be modest and bashful in their manner. “In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array” (1 Timothy 2:9).

We can be sure that due to the process of purification that has taken place in the printing of the King James Bible, that the correct word with the correct spelling is now presented, indicating what was the meaning in 1611, and what we know is the meaning today.

2. Among and amongst

There are a number of instances where the 1611 word “amongst” is changed to “among”. But, in two places, that is, in Genesis 3:8 and 23:9, the 1611 word “amongst” is retained. The modernist believes that the editors were careless and the differences meaningless, but in fact, the use of any single word is exact.

The rule must be established that the Pure Cambridge Edition is always right, and that every rule that can now be ascertained, is made from describing pre-existing phenomena. However, even if the primary rule is not regarded, so as to make an investigation neutral, it can be discovered that the Pure Cambridge Edition will always adhere to a proper and detailed use of the English language, and that there will be a consistent pattern and usage.

The Oxford English Dictionary highlights a difference in meaning, that “amongst” especially applies to the use of “among”, “generally implying dispersion, intermixture or shifting position.” The first verse in which “amongst” appears says, “And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.” (Genesis 3:8).

In every verse of the Bible where the words “among the trees” appear, the description is of a particular object viewed as stationary “among” the trees. Whereas, Adam and Eve, being two, both hid themselves, and were, as the Oxford English Dictionary informs, in “dispersion” and “shifting position”, that is to say, were not stationary, but moved throughout the trees in multiple hiding places. Thus, the elimination of the supposedly archaic “amongst” in this place would actually be a loss of vital information. Whereas, in the many other cases where “amongst” has gone, they would have actually conveyed nonsensical or incorrect details, if they were left as “amongst”. While some might accuse this of being “the devil in the detail”, it is, in fact, “the divinity in the detail”.

The other example of “amongst” is, “That he may give me the cave of Machpelah, which he hath, which is in the end of his field; for as much money as it is worth he shall give it me for a possession of a buryingplace amongst you.” (Genesis 23:9). Abraham wished to bury his dead in a place where the Hittites had already buried their dead, thus, the remains of Abraham’s people should have been, as the Oxford English Dictionary informs, “intermixture”, that is to say, the burying would be intermixed with the other dead already in that place.

The word “amongst” is a word which describes the relation of an action, a verb, to a noun, which makes “amongst” in grammatical terms an adverbial genitive. For example, that it was Adam and Eve [nouns] hiding [verb] themselves [pronoun] “amongst” the trees, without reference to whether it was God [noun] walking [verb] “among” the trees. Or again, that it was Abraham [noun] burying [verb] (at that) place [noun] “amongst” the Hittites, without reference to whether it was Ephron [noun] giving [verb] possession “among” the audience of the Hittites.

3. Toward and towards

Since the word form “towards” no longer appears, there cannot be anything to consider concerning the modernist argument in this particular; namely, that the meaning and representation of that word is always that of “toward” without a doubt.

4. Beside and besides

The Oxford English Dictionary shows that “besides” has all the meanings of “beside”, except that “besides” specifically means “in addition, over and above, as well”, “Introducing a further consideration: As an additional or further matter, moreover, further” and meaning “Other than mentioned, otherwise, else”.

Therefore, the cases in which “besides” appears, must relate to the specific meaning as laid out above, “And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place” (Genesis 19:12). This case can easily be substituted for the words “in addition”. The case is even clearer where mathematics is actually used: “All the souls that came with Jacob into Egypt, which came out of his loins, besides Jacob’s sons’ wives, all the souls were threescore and six” (Genesis 46:26).

The same case can be made for the other verses which contain “besides”, and which conveys a specific concept, which information would otherwise be absent from the English Bible. Thus, when Paul said, “And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.” (1 Corinthians 1:16), it relates to a numerical accounting of how many Paul baptised, or again, Paul uses numerical and quantitative terms, “I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides.” (Philemon 1:19).

Scrivener had a special tirade about the use of “beside” and “besides”, and yet it is so clear that there are distinct and proper meanings to these words, that it is even more amazing that there has been so little overt rejection of Scrivener’s poor and blind scholarship in this regard, though the general and tacit historical rejection of his work is plain enough.

5. Sith and since

Scrivener brings the marginal notes and the Apocrypha as evidence against the changes of “sith” to “since”; however, both the marginal notes and the Apocrypha are not to be considered as being “purified” in the sense of the actual text; though, the editorial work on these things can be seen to produce an agreeable and standardised text.

The 1611 “sith” has been changed to “since” in Jeremiah 15:7 and 23:38, while it is retained in Ezekiel 35:6. The use of the word “since” is common and has a range of meanings. “And I will fan them with a fan in the gates of the land; I will bereave them of children, I will destroy my people, since they return not from their ways.” (Jeremiah 15:7). “But since ye say, The burden of the LORD; therefore thus saith the LORD; Because ye say this word, The burden of the LORD, and I have sent unto you, saying, Ye shall not say, The burden of the LORD” (Jeremiah 23:38).

The Oxford English Dictionary shows that “sith” was “used to express cause, while since was restricted to time”.4 It can be seen in this light, that Ezekiel 35:6 relates to cause and not to time, “Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee.” The words “since thou hast” appear in Exodus 4:10, with a very different and time-based meaning, “And Moses said unto the LORD, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.”

6. While and whiles

The word “whiles” is like the word “while”, except that it is used adverbially, that is, to describe an action, describing when the action is taking place. This can be seen in all passages where the word is used, such as, “Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee” (Ezekiel 21:29a) or “whiles they minister in the gates of the inner court, and within.” (Ezekiel 44:17b). The word “whiles” always relates to some action, specifically when the action is taking place. The usage is correct in Acts 5:4a, even though the sentence is in the passive voice, “Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power?” “Whiles” is also related to an action in 2 Corinthians 9:13, “Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men”.

Those places where the 1611 word “whiles” has been changed to “while” are correct, as presented in the Pure Cambridge Edition (and the 1769 Edition), especially because such particular grammar was overlooked, not understood or unimportant to early printers. “Though while he lived he blessed his soul” (Psalm 49:18a). In this case there is no direct connection made to an action, in that the man blessed his soul while he lived; therefore, “while” is properly used. “And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.” (Isaiah 65:24). In this verse, there is no direct connection made to the action, which is not the people speaking, but God answering; thus again, “while” is properly used.

7. To and unto

“Unto”, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, primarily means, “Indicating spatial or local relationship”.5 The use of “unto” is more limited than “to”. In Genesis 25:33 it says, “And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob.” In the 1611 Edition, it said, “and he sware to him”. The words, “sware unto him” always fall to the end of a sentence or clause in the Bible, which indicates a certain closure, and also reads better in accordance with good meter.

The example of Luke 20:42, “And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand”, has the 1611 incorrectly quoting David in Psalm 110:1 by saying, “said to my Lord”. Although this is the way it is represented in Mark 12:36, Luke is giving a full quote, whereas Mark is giving an interpretive quote. The wording in Mark must also be considered in conjunction with literary style and meter.

“For he served Baal, and worshipped him, and provoked to anger the LORD God of Israel, according to all that his father had done.” (1 Kings 22:53). The 1611 states, “according unto all”. The phrase, “according unto all” is used in the Bible as concerning doing or fulfilling commandments or prophecies, that is to say, “according unto all the detail of the things said or written”. In general cases, the words, “according to all” are used. The Bible always refers to doings and ways with the word “to”, showing that “unto” does not normally describe or connect to things done. Furthermore, since the word “unto” connects one thing to another, and the actions of Ahazaih in this verse were not done toward his fathers, but were actions of the same nature as his fathers.');
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('17', '2f0c0476f4', 'King Arthur was no Catholic', 'The Gospel came to Britain long before the Roman Catholic religion. It was when the Roman Emperors were persecuting Christians. These Christians held to doctrines that were directly imparted from the Early Church. 

Constantine came from Britain, yet the influence of his kind of Christianity cannot have been very strong. The reason for this is because the Roman Christianity turned by degrees to error over time. Therefore, even if some errors were to be found among the Churches in Britain before 538, their religion would still be far superior to Romanism, and much closer related to proto-Orthodoxy. The name of this religion would be Celtic Christianity, or in this period, Early Celtic Christianity. 

Around the 450s, a heresy known as Pelagianism (which said that man was essentially good) was found in Britain. Vortigern was king in south eastern Britain, and he held to that heresy. A man named Germanus was sent over from the Early Celtic Churches in France to come and convert people from this error. The Irish and the Picts had been destroying sub-Roman Britain. First the Anglo-Saxons came to fight as mercenaries for the Britons against the Irish and Picts, but then the Anglo-Saxons took Kent, in 495 they invaded southern England, and various other landings were made in the east. The Anglo-Saxons were heathen, and spared no Christian centre, but were enslaving or exterminating Britons. 

Gildas writes, with many early Latin Scripture quotations, of the strifes which overtook the land, and how God raised up a leader called Aurelius Ambrosius. He killed Vortigern by burning his stronghold, and he also rallied the Christian Bretons, who were hiding in rocks and dens, and in fear in their towns. The beginning of the effective resistance of the Bretons was accompanied by a religious revival. The Anglo-Saxons were now in great power, and around 520, Arthur became king. Arthur had spent his childhood at Tintagel, a Christian centre in Cornwell. He was consecrated king in Caerleon, Wales, by the Bishop there, another Christian centre. In those days, Bishops were not fixed to particular “sees”, but could minister freely. 

Although various kingdoms or dukedoms were being lost to the Anglo-Saxons, Arthur was able to win victories against the various invaders, and was eventually recognised as a great king. After a great victory against the Anglo-Saxons in 539, the lands of his various conquests and allies recognised him as a great ruler. Thus, the high of Early Celtic Christianity, for Ireland had been evangelised by Patrick, and various Scots now in Scotland were also believing. Gildas and Bede report that the Anglo-Saxons were not evangelised at this time. 

Far away, in Italy, Belisarius the General, who served Justinian of Constantinople, was fighting to free Rome from Barbarians. Vigilius wanted to be pope, so he conspired with Justinian’s wife, that when Belisarius freed Rome from the Ostrogoths (who held to the Arian heresy), that Vigilius would be made Pope. This occurred in 538, when the Papacy began to have temporal power. 

Within a few years, a message was sent from the Roman government to Emperor Arthur of Britain. The Romans demanded their taxes, but Arthur and his allies refused, and they went to France, and went and fought against the Romans. 

At this point of history, about 541, the British Emperor could have ended the Papacy right when that antichrist reign had began (Vigilius was having problems with Justinian in the struggle against the Monophysite heresy). Although the Romans lost the war, Rome was not taken, for Arthur had to return to Britain, because his nephew had raised up a civil war against him. Many died in that short civil strife, and in 542 Arthur was buried at the Early Celtic Christian centre at Glastonbury. Those who were kings in Britain after him were worse and worse, as Gildas records, and fresh Anglo-Saxon invasions began, which drove the Bretons into Wales. 

Eventually, after Ireland and Scotland were converted, the northern Anglo-Saxon kingdom heard the Gospel. As the Celtic Christianity began to move southward through England, it met with opposition from the Roman Catholic doctrine which had now been established at Canterbury. Over time this Roman doctrine prevailed in England, and from Normandy imposed upon the land more strongly, and into Wales, Ireland and Scotland. However, there was enough of a remembrance of former things for Wycliffe to enjoy great success in resisting some Roman errors. 

When the Reformation occurred, the Protestant Gospel found very ready ears in England, and the Protestant doctrine grew, and has passed from thence to many places in the world today.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('18', '6734093705', 'St Patrick and Ireland', 'Did you know that St Patrick was not a Roman Catholic? 

In the earlier half of the fifth century, Patrick converted many Irish folk to the Celtic Church, the form of Christianity that was directly connected with the proto-Orthodox Church in Asia. 

This means that the Irish must have been afterward converted/subjected to Roman Catholicism. 

The Church of England was established in Ireland, and in the time of Oliver Cromwell, various Protestants were settled there too. This means that there were a good many supporters for King William of Orange. 

There has been a strong tradition toward the truth in Ireland, such as the forming of the Loyal Orange Order, the Ulster Revival (1859) and the ministry of Ian Paisley. The interesting thing in all this is that the King James Bible has been kept and upheld quite strongly there. 

It is also good to note that this tradition has broadly mixed into Australian society, and the flag has within it the cross of St Patrick. Therefore, true King James Bible supporters in Australia can claim a direct spiritual link with the Irish Protestants\' stand for the Authorized Version.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('22', '115e30baa6', 'What is a King James Bible person?', 'This is my attempt to broadly classify views of the King James Bible in regard to most Christian users or general perceptions of users. This comparison of beliefs is a rough guideline only. 

CLASS ONE: KING JAMES BIBLE FAVOURED (PREFERRED) 

History: Because for many years the King James Bible was used, and due to tradition and conservative forces, that Bible has continued to have been used in certain movements and ministries, though not exclusively, and often modern versions might be used in conference, and there is a willingness to adopt modern King James Bible editions or versions. 

Inspiration: The Autographs are 100% infallible, inspired and perfect. 

Preservation: Overall the Word of God is preserved through time. 

The KJB text: The KJB text is at least 99% correct. 

The text in English: Overall the text of the Word is probably in English versions. 

The KJB translation: Very good, but there are occasional areas which can be improved. 

The KJB language/style: Generally good, but the archaic language is a stumbling block to new believers, which requires or allows for updating the language or other good versions to bring out the meaning better. 

The perfection of the KJB: The KJB is faithful and reliable, but not perfect. 

Other versions: Some other versions are valid or acceptable. 

Other languages: The Word of God should continue to be translated into other languages. 

The future of the KJB: The KJB will probably continue to be upheld by an extreme minority, but generally, with the changing language, new discoveries and progressive revelation of the Church, changes are inevitable. 

Which edition of the KJB: Any current one. 

CLASS TWO: KING JAMES BIBLE DEFENDED (TR ONLY) 

History: Because for many years the King James Bible was used, and due to tradition and conservative forces, that Bible has continued to have been used in certain movements and ministries. The principles of modernism are deficient, which means that the King James Bible must still continue to be the Bible for the present time. 

Inspiration: The Autographs are 100% infallible, inspired and perfect. 

Preservation: Overall the Word of God is preserved through time, specifically in the King James Bible. 

The KJB text: The KJB text is correct. 

The text in English: The Bible text is fully presented in English. 

The KJB translation: Correct, but it is impossible to translate 100%, even though what it does translate is indeed valid. 

The KJB language/style: Very good, but if the English language changes, alterations on the current English of the KJB may be necessary. 

The perfection of the KJB: The KJB is faithful and reliable, and will never lead anyone astray. 

Other versions: No other present English versions are acceptable. 

Other languages: The Word of God can continue to be translated into other languages if they are done from the basis of the TR or from the KJB. 

The future of the KJB: The KJB will continue to be used by a faithful minority of believers, and may, in the unknown future before the return of Christ, be yet altered in regards to the English only, and not the underlying texts. 

Which edition of the KJB: Cambridge Edition best. 

CLASS THREE: KING JAMES BIBLE PURIST (ENGLISH PRESERVATIONIST) 

History: Because for many years the King James Bible was used, and due to tradition and conservative forces, that Bible has continued to have been used by true believers. The principles of modernism are deficient, and the King James Bible is the providentially appointed correct Bible for the world. 

Inspiration: The Autographs are 100% infallible, inspired and perfect. 

Preservation: The Word of God is preserved through time, specifically in the King James Bible. 

The KJB text: The KJB text is correct. 

The text in English: The Bible text is fully presented in English. 

The KJB translation: Fully perfect, equivalent to the originals in English. 

The KJB language/style: Exact, no updating or changes are to be accepted. 

The perfection of the KJB: The KJB is inerrant. 

Other versions: No other present English versions are acceptable. 

Other languages: With the world becoming conversant with English, the King James Bible alone is now to be promoted as the only form of the Bible for the whole world. 

The future of the KJB: The KJB will continue to be used by a faithful minority of believers, and that by true revival, be restabilised as the Bible of the true Church throughout the Earth. 

Which edition of the KJB: The Cambridge Edition generally, the Pure Cambridge Edition specifically. 

CLASS FOUR: KING JAMES BIBLE EXTREMIST (HERETICS) 

History: Because the Apostle Paul used the King James Bible, so should true believers today. 

Inspiration: The Autographs are irrelevant. The King James Bible itself was made by inspired men from 1604-1611, and is advanced revelation. 

Preservation: The King James Bible is the Word of God. 

The KJB text: The KJB text is correct. 

The text in English: The Bible text is fully presented in English. 

The KJB translation: Superior to the originals. 

The KJB language/style: Exact in all editions. 

The perfection of the KJB: The KJB is inerrant in all editions. 

Other versions: No other present English versions are acceptable. 

Other languages: Since the KJB is necessary for salvation, it is the Word for the world. 

The future of the KJB: The KJB will continue to be used by a faithful minority of believers, until it is finally destroyed by the New World Order, etc. 

Which edition of the KJB: Any edition, but the Cambridge Edition preferred.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('42', 'a4a536f6aa', 'Women in Ministry', 'Jezebel-type women are strictly forbidden from having anything to do with Church ministry. Nevertheless, many &quot;churches&quot; have allowed such sinful women to do so, and this is in no small part due to the apostasy that has invaded, as evidenced by the proliferation of modern versions.

&quot;Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.&quot; (Revelation 2:20).

This verse is clear on a number of things:
(1) Jezebel was a false prophetess who exalted herself - &quot;which calleth herself&quot;.
(2) Churches should not allow false prophetesses to teach. Christ was not against women teaching but that which is false doing so.
(3) False prophetesses (and prophets for that matter) teach people to sin and hold to unbiblical ideas.
(4) Jezebel was whorish - &quot;to seduce my servants to commit fornication&quot;.
(5) Jezebel was infected by impure religion - &quot;to eat things sacrificed unto idols&quot;.
(6) God holds churches accountable for who they allow to minister - &quot;I have a few things against thee&quot;.

Women that are of the same spirit as Jezebel are absolutely forbidden from any ministry in the Church.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('43', '3100faf79b', 'Women in Ministry', '&quot;Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.&quot; (Proverbs 31:10,11).

This virtuous type of woman is the opposite of a Jezebel type. Notice this is the type of woman whose &quot;husband doth safely trust in her&quot;. Such a woman understands the Biblical submission principle and so can safely minister in the Church.

Notice also the following: &quot;She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness. She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness. Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.&quot; (Proverbs 31:26-28).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('44', '1bc07de263', 'Women in Ministry', 'The Scriptures talk about Priscilla being a knowledgeable and responsible servant of Christ. As I mentioned in a previous post, she and her husband Aquila looked after a Church in their home. Paul obviously esteemed Priscilla and valued her help in the ministry: &quot;Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus: Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles. Likewise [i:1bc07de263]greet[/i:1bc07de263] the church that is in their house. Salute my wellbeloved Epænetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.&quot; (Romans 16:3-5). God honours those that honour Him (see 1 Samuel 2:30), and the Scriptures reveal that Priscilla was honoured for her labours in the Kingdom of God. She was instrumental in perfecting the knowledge of Apollos for example. &quot;And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, [i:1bc07de263]and[/i:1bc07de263] mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto [i:1bc07de263]them[/i:1bc07de263], and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.&quot; (Acts 18:24-26). Priscilla was obviously a bold woman herself (which the righteous should be) who had an excellent understanding of the Scriptures, and an important teaching role, alongside her husband. The Scripture doesn\'t diminish her role, but upholds it for us to learn from.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('45', 'feafb9bcd0', 'KJB and Pentecostalism', 'One example of how far the present-day &quot;Pentecostals&quot; (they don\'t deserve to be called this now) have slidden comes from the book &quot;A River is Flowing. A history of the Assemblies of God in Australia&quot; by Denis and Gwen Smith, 1987. On page 42, it says: &quot;In 1953, 66 delegates gathered in Victoria for the ninth Commonwealth Conference. ... The Authorised Version of the Bible was recommended as the accepted version of God\'s Word in the assemblies.&quot;

It is clear that what was once accepted is now no longer. Although this denomination started with many correct doctrines, it now has forsook much Biblical doctrine. &quot;Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.&quot; (Jeremiah 6:16).

In Rome there was once a true Church - &quot;To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.&quot; (Romans 1:7). But there came a time when there was a forsaking of what was foundational, so that Rome is now known by true believers as the place &quot;where the whore sitteth&quot; (see Revelation 17:15). This is a great warning and a sign for all who would forsake the truth of God for a lie (See also Romans 1:25 - indeed a prophetic statement for Romanism and all who stand with it).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('46', '2fc1a8fb1d', 'Where is the authority?', 'I have asked Rick Norris and his other anti-KJBO friends concerning where exactly is the authoritative standard of the Scripture in the underlying texts. These modernists, M-text-lovers, Genevites and so on do not answer, but to attack KJBO doctrine. Yet, they have no way of either:
a. presenting the actual text of Scripture in a final, pure or settled form in the original languages, or
b. laying out any sure method whereby the actual text in a final, pure and settled form may be discerned in the original languages.

As a believer in the King James Bible, it is evident that the full text has been passed over into English, and the final, pure and settled form of the text is in the perfect English Bible.

They then mock believers because we have certainty. I cannot understand that, especially since Scripture says:
&quot;That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.&quot; (Luke 1:4).');
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('55', '3e439d19b8', 'Bible organisations: How far have they fallen?', 'In the following quote from Peter Fuhrman, he makes several important points.
1. The need for PCE/KJB/true ministries.
2. The danger facing organsiations, such as the Gideons, Bible Societies, and so one, when they have abandoned the KJB.
3. The rise of PCE KJB teaching and knowledge, including in English teaching.

[i:3e439d19b8]Peter Fuhrman said:[/i:3e439d19b8]

How Far Have They Fallen! Just picked up an older Gideon\'s Holy Bible from The National Bible Press,Philidelphia,1957 edition.
It is a Bold Face Type Reference Authorized Version.
After the title page comes a short synopsis of the books of the Bible.

It did not contain the page and a half introductory letter to the king.But in its place it had this.
*******

THE KING JAMES OR AUTHORIZED VERSION OF THE HOLY BIBLE
When James I ascended the throne of England in 1603 he found himself heir to the religious turmoil and confusion that had characterized the entire sixteenth century. In the hope of bringing order out of this chaos, he called a meeting of church men and laity early in the following year. Virtually the only fruitful suggestion which is brought forth was the proposal of Dr. Reynolds of Oxford that a new translation of the Holy Scriptures be made which might be accepted and used by the entire Church.

To this the king readily agreed, stipulating that the work be entrusted to the best scholarship in the land. The competent band of forty-seven clergymen and lay scholars chosen set as their purpose a version so accurate, so simple, and so sincere &quot;That the Scripture may speak like it selfe, as in the language of Canaan, that it may be understood.&quot;

The group was divided into six companies, and the text apportioned among these companies. The men worked independently. Then, as a company, they considered their individual efforts until all were in agreement on the results. As the sections were completed they were handed on to other companies for consideration and criticism. Finally, a committee composed of two members of each of the companies met during a period of nine months and harmonized the entire undertaking.

That the hand of God rested firmly on these able and sincere men during the nearly four years of their labors is highly manifest. Of the beloved translation which they produced, it has been fittingly said, &quot;No other book of any kind has so affected the whole life of a people as this Authorized Version has affected the life of the English-speaking People.&quot;

Within forty years of the publishing of the first edition in 1611 the King James had displaced other versions and become the Bible in English. In the affections of all devout persons it has never yielded that predominant place, which is its right by its sterling worth.

On the spiritual side, as the true Word of God, it is the most precious thing this world affords. On the secular side, it is indeed a priceless treasure, since it has set the pattern of our language, and has inspired and influenced much of the best in our literature. Companion and guide of our fathers, cherished possession of today, sacred heritage of our children, it is, indeed

THE BOOK OF BOOKS 
________________________________________

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Now, each chapter of the Gideons determine just what version will be placed in the hotels.I have seen a large portion of the NASB in Kamloops area.
Up at Sun Peaks Ski Hill [where my wife and I work] the two Hotels we work in also have the NASB.I have often thought of switching the Bibles.
I get pretty choked over it especially when they have their indoctrination before you even get to the text.
I keep brainstorming and thinking of what God would have me do.
Seeing that I have a good collection of Bibles, I could put on a display for a time and have a class or two?
I covet your prayers for me in this area.I would like to be able to minister the truth of God\'s word both in preaching and teaching, but also in forwarding the Pure Cambridge Edition.I thought of calling it Aquila &amp; Priscilla ministries.
*******
Another thing that is near and dear to my heart is a Bible School that uses the pure Cambridge edition as the final authority and text book for classes.
It could be an Internet class style or with local congregations taking in classes in person in various cities.They could use the internet for class projects as well.

Only THY will be done.
If the LORD will, I will do this or that!

Peter Fuhrman
Every word of God is pure:

[i:3e439d19b8]End of quote.[/i:3e439d19b8]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('56', 'a8c8f1882e', 'How Far Have They Fallen!', 'We need to see the rise of PCE KJB ministries.

There are various problems with King James Bible publishing ministries at the moment, as they have not been standing for a pure text. Some don\'t even believe that the KJB is 100% accurate in English!

As for the Bible Societies and other organisations, they have abandoned the King James Bible, to their own hurt!

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From 1611 to 1769 we have a Bible being purified. From 1769 to the reign of Queen Elizabeth II we have the continuation of several various editions of the King James Bible, which differ very slightly to each other, such as the Oxford editions, London editions and Cambridge editions.

The Bible Protector ministry and the Church I attend, Victory Faith Centre, stand for the Pure Cambridge Edition (circa 1900) as being the correct edition of the King James Bible.

However, Cambridge does not print this edition any more.

Worse than this is that the market has been flooded by many varying, modernised and impure editions of the King James Bible. Some Bibles with the words &quot;King James&quot; on them are downright counterfeits, with thousands and thousands of changes in them.

So, if you are looking to buy a King James Bible, or want to use one on your computer, make sure that it lines up with the Pure Cambridge Edition. See [url]www.bibleprotector.com[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('57', '6402c53150', 'Peter Fuhrman\'s testimony', '[i:6402c53150]I have quoted Peter Fuhrman\'s testimony concerning the pure Word here:[/i:6402c53150]

Yes, I saw that one with the word GOD in Genesis 6:5.
But I think it is because I don\'t know how to use a certain type of program to see the corrected type.
So initially, I was concerned.
*******
At first, I was a King James Bible preferred man.Simply because I was raised on it and the new versions were not popular, yet.

Then, just before Bible College, I started to buy every version around, for I was wanting all of the truth, or so I thought to myself. After several months of this, The only fruit was confusion. I simply could not understand why so many verses were mangled. Even the best and fruitful of them.I sat for hours on end comparing versions on different chapters of the Bible.

So I started to sell off my other Bibles, but still had many in reserve.I had then progressed to KJB preferred, because I thought that there had to be a standard. Later, I saw some tracts by the Trinitarian Society, and that influenced me lots, into establishing a greater confidence in the King James Bible, yet I had no real working understanding of why the KJB was indeed the best, other than familiarity.

In Bible College, the Principal made sure we all used the KJB and preached on it being the inspired word of God.The whole class groaned.

We were allowed to do papers on any topic once per year.
Of course, this KJB issue was paramount for me, and I was starting to really appreciate the food from it, both for myself and those I ministered to.So I did a paper on it.

At Bible College, I was introduced to the Strong\'s Concordance. I thought that was great! But I made the fatal flaw of trusting the dictionary in the back.That concordance took the place of all those versions, and so I started to get Greek and Hebrew reference books by the feet.I had them all and still have a few. But I know much better now.

Finally, after getting married, both my wife and I House sat for a couple at a Church we were called to go to and minister from time to time. In the bookshelf was a black book titled New Age Bible Versions. I remember seeing the tract for it in the previous church, and so I was quite magnetized to it.I pulled it off the shelf, and the information gave me so many answers as to the whys of the KJB being the best bible. In fact, it is the only Bible. 

To find out about the modern version history was quite the eye opener. Both my wife and I could not get enough time to read the book.First me, them she would take a turn, finally we looked at it together.

That day we decided right there on the spot to burn the rest of the Bibles, right there on the beach by the stump at the back of the house. So the next day, My wife and I drove home and came back with the boxes of Bibles including the NKJB wedding Bible, that was given to us, and we burned the lot of them, rejoicing in the LORD and in immediate repentance. 
We had pulled an ACTS 19:19!
After that, I started to read everything on the subject by various authors.Now, all of my study time is with purpose and understanding.

I was KJBO!
Even my son is now a strong KJBer.

After finally getting a computer a couple years ago, I found out that some of the King James Bibles were not 100% equivalent. Some, in authority, said that any KJB was good enough. Some that had studied had showed that the older Cambridge Bible was the standard, but no person really put his finger on it with conclusive proof.

Then I came upon the site By Nick Kizziah, and he showed how that the modern Cambridge is going in the wrong direction.
To that time, that was the best I could find in my quest for the perfect Holy Bible.I compared all my Bibles to his, and found no semblance of order, however.

One Bible would have some of theses errors and others would have some of those errors, and I could not make heads or tails of it all.

So, I thought maybe I needed more verses to glean it out.
I emailed Nick and asked if he had the complete list of changes and errors that were creeping into the Cambridge Bible.He said he had not done any more, So all I was left to, was that of finding certain discussions here and there that would convince me of a certain reading that was brought up. But I was not satisfied.
I started to compare all of my bibles, and could not get to the root of it.

Then a few months ago, while in discussion and debate with Rick Norris again[ a type of TR man, But Alexandrian in style] he found a site that claimed to have done the homework, and found the Pure Holy Bible, Namely, the pure Cambridge Edition, CIRCA 1900.
Well this rang true with what Nick had said with the older Cambridge being better, and that of other witnesses..But..
This time the actual text, letter for letter had been throughly researched and declared as the final authority.

This is what I had been searching all this time for.
Matthew and those in the Church there in Australia had taken the KJBO efforts to its logical forward conclusion.
Rick could no longer ask &quot;which one?&quot; and watch us wriggle.

The KJBO era has forever changed, and that for the best.

Now I also had my answer to my quest.This would have taken me at least two hundred years at my speed to find out the information that is now in plain view!
Praise the LORD!

Now the whole debate is over, even if the detractors stop not. We can get on with the job of Publishing, preaching and living the Pure words of God and making them known throughout the whole world.The pure gospel from the pure words of God.Yes, LORD, Yes.
To your will and to your way.
I thank God for this wonderful answer to my life\'s prayer.

Peter Fuhrman
Ever word of God is pure:');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('58', 'd11cb9d68b', 'Women in Ministry', '&quot;Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.&quot; (1 Timothy 2:11-14).

Although some use these verses to prohibit women from ministering in the Church, the fact is that these verses are talking about the order God has set up for the Church to follow. Authority has been invested in the man - &quot;But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [i:d11cb9d68b]is [/i:d11cb9d68b]the man; and the head of Christ [i:d11cb9d68b]is [/i:d11cb9d68b]God.&quot; (1 Corinthians 11:3). Women are not &quot;to usurp authority&quot; and such women that do, should be silent and not teach. A woman who usurps authority is out of order, and such a woman should &quot;learn in silence with all subjection&quot;. Once she has learnt, of course, then she can minister but not before learning the proper order and relationship she must have in relation to the man.

The example of Adam is as an indication of the order - &quot;Adam was first&quot;.  When the order is observed, then there is no problem for women to minister and to do good works as God directs. &quot;But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.&quot; (1 Timothy 2:10).

The question becomes, therefore, whether or not the woman who wants to minister is &quot;professing godliness&quot; and matching with that profession.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('60', 'f911f1ba27', 'Jehovah', 'I strongly recommend that Bible students listen to the sermon &quot;The use of the word ‘JEHOVAH’ in the King James Bible&quot;, downloadable from http://www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('59', 'ce721ab1cc', 'What are the consequences of false religion?', 'Regardless of whether a false religion is overtly non-Christian (eg Islam) or may pretend to be Christian (eg Roman Catholicism), the end results are the same: the fruits are evil. That is, wrong beliefs and wrong actions are the fruits of false religions. All false religions lead to impurity. A common theme among false religions is that a person can be saved through good works alone. Works-based religions are not Biblical. As I discussed in the previous post, faith in Christ is necessary and good works alone will not save a person. (see Ephesians 2:8, 9).

&quot;VERILY, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.&quot; (John 10:1). The Bible declares that Christ is the door: &quot;Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.&quot; (John 10:7). Eternal life must be entered through faith in Christ.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('61', '412e124188', 'Peddling the evolution religion to children', 'The evolutionists have taken to peddling their false religious beliefs now to children in the form of video games. The Playstation 2 game, &quot;The Adventures of Darwin&quot; is designed to inject this &quot;science falsely so called&quot; (see 1 Timothy 6:20) into the minds of youngsters as well as reinforce evolutionary ideas. See http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/adventuresofdarwin');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('62', 'ce0c82cc6c', 'Pure Bible from Australia', 'Just received a Pure Bible from Australia to day.
It has a wooden cover of Olive wood from the Holy Land and worked on in Jerusalem.
Collins Clear Type Press
Gem 48MO text
1950
Lord Advocate John Wheatley
Printed in Great Britain
The spine reads Holy Bible
The bottom of the spine reads Jerusalem
The Back wooden cover has the word Jerusalem in the middle.
The front board has a design of a type of cross 
with little crosses in each four corners of the design.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('63', '62daf1ee0e', 'Post subject: Buying pure KJBs second hand', 'It is not coincidence that second hand pure King James Bibles available in Australia. Various libraries have copies of the PCE too. Chance? or providence?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('64', 'b7b4bed9d2', 'Not a Chance', 'Providence of course.
Even the lots cast and the outcome was of God.

This one has the variations..
and Joseph
And wilt 

All the others are fine.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('65', 'ee11d46677', 'Post subject: Where is the authority?', '[i:ee11d46677]I asked Rick Norris again where the perfect Word was in the originals. I know some of his friends like the Byzantine Text Form, because it represents a &quot;majority&quot;. If we are going to count majorities, let\'s count the majority in Bibles (the KJB) and language (English). Anyway, here is what I wrote:[/i:ee11d46677]

There is no doubt that in his editorial work, Dr Blayney did indeed make &quot;Frequent recourse ... to the Hebrew and Greek Originals&quot;. Such was required, not to correct the text and translation of the 1611 translators, but to resolve any variations which had appeared in the history of the King James Bible editions (including typographical errors from the very outset) and to provide a uniform use of italics.

It was certainly good and proper for editors to take into account or make the originals their scholarly basis, but they themselves were discerning what the underlying basis actually was: the authority was not &quot;the originals&quot;, rather, their authority was in the Spirit of God, who by His Divine Providence, through the Church, had supplied the evidence, and the progression of true doctrine, so that they would have the ability to soundly discern what was the correct text out of the conflicting original evidence.

In the natural, which particular underlying text was the authority to Blayney? Is Bishop Lloyd\'s underlying New Testament text completely perfect? Was Blayney perfect? Or Lloyd? Or any other editor? Was their judgment infallible on matters of Scripture-work?

And yet, Blayney thinks he did pretty well, for he said, &quot;So that the folio edition is rendered by this somewhat the more perfect of the two, and therefore more fit to be recommended for a standard Copy.&quot; And his aim was &quot;of contributing in any wise to God’s honour, and the public utility.&quot;

And so here are my conclusions and views:

1. There is not one known authoritative representative of the original text in Greek or in Hebrew known upon Earth today.

2. That every man who has ever worked upon the King James Bible was not inspired, nor infallible, yet of a willing spirit to further God\'s work, and compliant with His providence, so that in due season, perfection was revealed out of the workmanship of godly men.

3. That the standard and word perfect form of the true Scripture is never going to be found or formed in the original languages, and most certainly not by any scholarship which rejects God\'s providence in supplying the perfect Word in the world\'s common language. And this is beside the fact that a perfect reconstruction of the Scripture in the originals has not yet taken place, which indicates that such a thing shall never take place.

Was it not but Divine Providence that caused any other versions and new translations of Scripture to fail? Wesley, Blayney, Burgon... and the M-text, and any other new Byzantine text construction... the real historical Majority Text is the King James Bible, in its vast numbers and its wide accessibility around the world today.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('66', 'ebd0ba2af3', 'Post subject: Not a Chance', 'These are indicators of a typical Collins Edition. It seems that Collins were used of God providentially to get vast numbers of the pure Word all around the world. I suspect that Commonwealth countries (e.g. Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, etc.) all had these ones in abundance. I know that numerous appeared in the USA too, but also through &quot;World&quot; and &quot;Riverside&quot;. Sadly, &quot;World&quot; has gone the way of the world, and &quot;Riverside&quot; I suspect has become a modernising open drain.

I know from personal experience that various Pentecostals, when they were using the KJB in the 1980s and before, they tended to be Collins of the pure variety.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('67', '0f332729a9', 'The Pentecostal position in God', 'There is a great neglect of holiness and the traditional Pentecostals were strong on holiness in line with the power of God. The Pentecostal apostle, Smith Wigglesworth, said in 1922 in his sermon &quot;Faith&quot;: &quot;We must live in the fire; we must hate sin; we must love righteousness; we must live with God, for He says we have to be blameless and harmless amidst the crooked positions of the world.&quot;

What are we to make of the apostasy we see around us today? It is that there has been a forsaking of the foundations, a forsaking of the pure, a forsaking of the holy! Now, there has been a wholesale holding onto error, such as with the modern versions, and a compromising with the world. Such is not to be for the Spirit filled Christian. There must now be a holding to the pure and holy.

&quot;If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?&quot; (Psalm 11:3). The foundation of the pure Word of God is crucial for a life of purity, otherwise (as we have seen all around) there will be corruption and error.

&quot;And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.&quot; (2 Timothy 3:15). The scriptures we hold to are &quot;holy&quot;, which means they are untainted by error. Such scriptures can make you wise.

The zeal, the drive, the power of God is necessary for the Pentecostal position: &quot;I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [i:0f332729a9]with [/i:0f332729a9]fire&quot; (Matthew 3:11).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('68', '08bcb35b7e', 'What are the consequences of false religion?', 'The evil works and wrong teaching that false religions produce are an outworking of what\'s inside the hearts of their followers, eg violence, victimisation, confusion, worship of false gods, spellcasting etc. Followers of false religions can be brainwashed into believing ridiculous things, eg the Watchtower Society has predicted the end of the world on several occasions!

&quot;And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.&quot; (Mark 7:20-23).

True believers should follow Ps. 119:104: &quot;Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('69', '6ceddd1d68', 'Images, url hyperlinks, and BBCode', 'SOME POINTS ON USING THE BBCODE

IMAGES cannot be uploaded directly in this forum. They need to exist somewhere on the internet. For example, there is an image at http://www.bibleprotector.com/index_files/button0.jpg (this is a typed in hyperlink with no code, the system automatically changes it to a hyperlink)

If you select the hyperlink text above, and press the &quot;Img&quot; button when posting, it will pull that image into your post. Thus, if you have images on any server or know the address of any images on the internet, you can make them appear in your post:

[img:6ceddd1d68]http://www.bibleprotector.com/index_files/button0.jpg[/img:6ceddd1d68]

URLs can automatically be made by selecting a web address and pressing the URL button: make sure there is no space at the end of the address.

All formatting can be done manually, by using codes, like (no spaces):
[ u r l ] w w w . b l a h . c o m [ / u r l ]

Also, to make a different word have the code, like [url=http://www.bibleprotector.com/]this[/url], do this (no spaces):

[ u r l = h t t p : / / w w w . b i b l e p r o t e c t o r . c o m / ] t h i s [ / u r l ]

FOR FULL INFORMATION SEE:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/faq.php?mode=bbcode[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('70', '87ec672709', 'What electronic version of the PCE do you use?', 'There are a several forms of electronic files of the Pure Cambridge Edition available, they are:
PDF
Word Document
Plain Text/RTF/TXT
HTML/Browser (internet based)

This is my use:
For printing and on screen reading only, PDF is the best
For normal use, cut and paste, Word is best
For searching, HTML is best

On my computer I have the Online Bible program, which I use as an electronic concordance. This has three problems:
1. It knows the difference between GOD and God, LORD and Lord, so if you search for one in a phrase, you won\'t get the other.
2. It has the Concord Cambridge text, which has &quot;enquire&quot;, &quot;counsellor&quot;, etc.
3. Some of the apostrophes are backwards

My main use is the &quot;authoritiative&quot; Word Document file that is accessable at www.bibleprotector.com');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('74', '78e507cf7a', 'Online Bible Program', 'When you say the Online Bible Program, are referring to the Online Parallel Bible?
I thought they were not pure..let me check..
Here it is..
King James Bible
His prayer also, and how God was intreated of him, and all his sins, and his trespass, and the places wherein he built high places, and set up groves and graven images, before he was humbled: behold, they are written among the sayings of the seers.
sin[u:78e507cf7a]s
It must be another program that you are referring to.[/u:78e507cf7a]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('75', 'd34514d481', 'Trinitarian Society Troubles', 'Early in my beginnings of KJB Only, I happened upon some tracts by the Trinitarian Society.
They stood for reliable Bible versions.For the English, they highly recommended the King James Bible.
I soon became a member, bought a few more tracts, and talked with a couple that were manning a booth at the Vancouver Missions Fest, here in B.C.
I was shocked to read a letter that came to me from the Trinitarian Society discussing the plight they were in at the time. The Canadian Branch wanted to be able to print their own Materials instead of always having to order from England.
England would have none of it.
The Canadian branch wrote to the membership telling us that they were going to sue the English Main office for the rights to print the material here in Canada, to save money, of course.
I was so shocked that a Christian organization would stoop to such a level as this.
I wrote them and soon did not renew my membership.
Here is yet another organization that allowed the enemy to get that tiny wedge in, and even though that wedge was simply a small little insignificant sliver of a thing, as it continued, it brought great division, just like the shape of a wedge, even if it is of the slightest of angles, the deed will produce an horrible work.
I do not know where they are now as an organization, for I have not kept tabs, but my little beeper tells me that error must be there if they have not repented.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('76', 'e14d9e3742', 'How far Have They Fallen', 'Our own fellowship belongs to ACOP of Canada.
In the old days, all,all, all used and trusted the King James Bible.
Preaching was powerful.
Churches were planted in droves.
Bless God, he had me in a Bible College that still used the King James Bible as the only Text Book, and the Principal stood for it being the inspired word of God.
One teacher did, however from time to time open the class with reading the living Bible. Now that I think of it, he had a horrible time to speak, because of his throat. HMMM. A couple of times he did not teach because of this regular ailment.
Some of the students rebelled at the wishes of the staff and used the NIV.
They are the ones in ministry positions now and accepted and I am somewhat on the sidelines, as it were, with My King James Bible.
But praise God he still can use us, for God is not limited by few or by many.
Now as the ACOP churches have forsaken the pure Holy Bible, they have declined in fervor, lost many churches, church planting is non-existent.

My last ACOP church I was in, here in Kamloops had over 800 just before I arrived. By the time I left it was at about the 100 mark.Six years.
Both Pastors, during that time rejected my spurring to perfection, and so I left.
How Far Have They Fallen.
My wife and I were simply burdened for prayer today,because all seems at a stand still.

I truly can see why there are so many home churches springing up all over the place.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('77', 'dc65aeef62', 'The Difference', 'I remember well, the first time that I was introduced to the teaching of KJB Only. The very day that I found out the truth, I repented and burned all of my fake Bibles the very next day.

Then I remember the church that I just preached at twice on the topic.
The response was the opposite, one of &quot;this is too heavy&quot; Let us finish on a nice note.
Or &quot;We already know all this stuff, but we can use any version we want.&quot;
Blah, blah,blah,blah, blah!
If they already knew all that stuff, then they would have repented upon the spot as I did.
*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('78', '0b9795002d', 'The Difference', 'If in the natural things seem to be at a standstill, or backwards, this is because of the historicist prophecy of the fifth vial, namely, that we are in a time of darkness... even with communication technology, so much &quot;information&quot;, how blind, ignorant and wrong man is... He thinks evolution is fact, most are ignorant about God, indeed many are in blindness.

The problem is that this darkness has in many ways reached as far as KJBOs and Pentecostals. Many KJBOs are at a limited position, while many Pentecostals have fallen into feelings-based religion, and accuse KJBO of being pharisees.

Nevertheless, in the Spirit, there are progressions, changes, there are spiritual triggers and operations that have far reaching effects. Seed must germinate and bring forth fruit. Prayer works. God\'s plans are on track. Do not be weary and faint, but continue doing the good things.

&quot;Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.&quot; (1 Corinthians 15:58).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('79', '18663c40c2', 'Online Bible Program', 'I am talking about the online Bible from a few years ago, by Larry Peirce or Pierce... it has the impure Concord Cambridge. [url]www.onlinebible.net[/url]

I only use it as a concordance to find words or references.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('80', '392693f55a', 'Women in Ministry', 'Priscilla wasn\'t the only woman with ministerial duties whom Paul highly regarded. He commended Phebe to the Church at Rome, describing her in the following way:

&quot;I COMMEND unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.&quot; (Romans 16:1, 2). 

A succourer is a person who gives aid or assistance to others at a time of need. She is described as a servant of the Church, and was obviously engaged in ministerial duties in a leadership-type capacity. Paul personally acknowledged the help she had given him. Women, and men, who minister with genuine love for God and others are truly a blessing. Phebe is an example of someone greatly used of God for the edification of others.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('81', 'c739cab814', 'Thank You', 'Matthew,
  Thanks for those encouraging words. I am praying for the Church there and the ministry to the Lord, that is happening.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('82', 'bb919d9b53', 'Kent Hovind', 'Talking of Evolution, has anyone found any information of Kent Hovind?
I remember that he was brought up on charges of tax evasion several months ago. Is he yet in prison?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('83', '5a81bc3460', 'Can Anything Be More False Than This?', 'I was on Southwest Radio Broadcast Ministries site and came upon this atrocious slice of information.
A witch from Maryland that won the Maryland lottery of some 40 million, is setting up a school for witches.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Wiccan_lottery_winner_plans_to_open_1030.html');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('107', 'c47d8179ba', 'Women in Ministry', '&quot;[3] But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [i:c47d8179ba]is [/i:c47d8179ba]the man; and the head of Christ [i:c47d8179ba]is [/i:c47d8179ba]God.
[4] Every man praying or prophesying, having [i:c47d8179ba]his [/i:c47d8179ba]head covered, dishonoureth his head.
[5] But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [i:c47d8179ba]her [/i:c47d8179ba]head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
[6] For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.&quot;
(1 Corinthians 11:3-6).

There are several things we can gather from these Bible verses. This section of Scripture is not to put the woman aside from ministering in the Church but to show the proper headship and leading.

The following can be seen:
(1) The headship is defined and for the woman - &quot;the head of the woman is the man&quot; (verse 3). The order is set out by God.
(2) Both men and women can pray or prophesy. There is no prohibition for either as long as order is observed. &quot;Every man praying or prophesying&quot; (verse 4) and &quot;every woman that prayeth or prophesieth&quot; (verse 5).
(3) The illustration of whether or not a person\'s natural head is covered is used as a type of the headship doctrine of verse 3. Note that this natural example was used by Paul based on custom of the day as seen in &quot;but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven&quot; (verse 6). Even today, we always need to ensure our customs for both men and women are ordered and chaste, otherwise &quot;we have no such custom, neither the churches of God&quot; (1 Corinthians 11:16b).

&quot;But [i:c47d8179ba]let it be [/i:c47d8179ba]the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, [i:c47d8179ba]even the ornament [/i:c47d8179ba]of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands&quot; (1 Peter 3:4,5).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('85', '4a874e233a', 'Post subject: Kent Hovind', 'Last I heard he was. I have one of his DVDs. It is full of good information, and the Bible quotes are all King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('86', 'b7b9469e7f', 'More of my Testimony', 'I pulled an Acts 19:19 with my wife the first day I started to read NABV.
Below is a partial testimony.A post from a couple years ago.
The first part is of my salvation, and the second is becoming a full fledged KJB man along with my wife.
*******

A little about what God has done in me
I suppose I was saved early.The wind bloweth where it listeth and thou
hearest the sound thereof,but canst not tell whence it cometh and wither it
goeth:so is everyone that is born of the Spirit.

The Basics of my Salvation

I live in Canada,a German Jew.My mother fled the Russian Front in WWII from
Eastern Germany into Western Germany.She finally married in \'51 and moved to Canada
in \'52?I was born in St.Boniface, Manitoba,in \'55,but the family moved out
right away after my birth.About a week before I turned four,I became a
foster child.This was the first time that I was introduced to Church.

I still can remember the first time my new mom took me to Sunday School in
Sechelt.The kids were happy,they knew all these happy songs and the actions
that went with them.I was impressed,for sure.By the time I was six,we then
moved up to Powell River,[the most spectacular place on earth].

We plugged in to the Westview Baptist Church there,and I was learning all
the verses,and doing all my booklet work each week.I had such a hunger for
the word even as a young lad,that my mom would regularly tell me to turn
out the light at 12:00 to 1:00 in the morning.It was normal for me to read
the Holy Bible and memorize verses just because I liked the verses.I
remember doing my own searches in the Bible because the tiny concordance in
the back of the Holy Bible was not anywhere near as good as I already knew
myself.

I remember the Gospel being preached from the pulpit and I would believe the
truths,But I never publickly made any confession other than at home.

Also we were given New Testaments by the Gideon\'s; and I do remember reading
the confession for salvation on the inside.I prayed the sinner\'s prayer just
to make sure; and I signed my name to it,putting the date to it,as well.

By the time I was a young teen,I was so fast at finding my verses for sword
drills,that it usually became \'Peter against the rest of the
Church,including the adults\'.But I did get beat finally when I was 15 by
this pretty girl.I didn\'t clue in that she liked me,and I was quite shy to
talk,anyway.

The pastor was making his regular announcements,and he mentioned about an
evangelist that would be at the next Bible Summer Camp at Lake Retreat,just
outside of Seattle.I remember my ears really perked up when the pastor
said,&quot;And any of you that don\'t know if you are saved,or want to get
saved;This evangelist will do a great job at telling you how to get saved.&quot;

I prayed to the LORD as I was digging in the garden as was my duty,and I
stopped.I said,&quot;LORD,I\'m saved,aren\'t I? I believe in you.Then I took my arm
off the shovel and started back to digging the garden.

The speaker\'s name was Bill McKee,and he preached on End times the whole
week.But on August the 28th he changed it half way through and gave the
salvation call.He talked of the need for the Saviour,our sinfulness,our
inability to save ourselves.But what I remember most is the hot feelings
over my body as I listened to his words.Words like,&quot;You feel that?&quot;That is
the Holy Spirit tugging upon your heart;he is bringing great conviction upon
you right now.&quot; He quoted reams of salvation verses,one right after another.

Then he made the offer,and it was tough.He got us teens that would like to
get saved,or make sure that we were really saved,to confess him as LORD
right there individually in front of everyone.Wow! That is steep.But then he
would say how if we were ashamed of him that Jesus would be ashamed of us.He
also showed that confession is made unto salvation.

So one by one,they would take turns confessing there sins to the LORD and
accepting the LORD as Saviour and their need for him.By the time the eighth
one spoke out,I could feel it real heavy upon me,and I knew that I had to
make absolutely sure.A couple more,and one that was near to me,and that
confirmed to me that it was then my turn.Out came my confession,and all the
speculation and wonder and fears and most of all,the weight disappeared.

There I was on the pew blurting out to the LORD my need of him

O the feeling of all that weight,was GONE!I was so happy in my Salvation.So
much so,that I quickly wrote down the date and time in my Bible.I was so
happy that I would say;&quot;Guess what?I am three minutes old in the LORD
now!&quot;Later it would be one hour and five minutes,etc.,and by the breakfast
table it was some 11 hours and minutes.Bill McKee overheard me celebrating
in my faith,and used it in his next sermon call.This time is was for
service.

&quot;Will you give all you life to serve the LORD?&quot;

I was happy enough to get saved,and at that time I thought that \'serve the
LORD\' meant that you had to be a Pastor.Anyway, later on that night,he did
the very same thing,but instead of a \'salvation call\',it was for \'service\'.I
remember the room getting all quiet and the same demand again.&quot;It needs to
be in publick.&quot;

So one by one the few that did want to serve the LORD started to confess the
thing.The same thing happened to me,with the pressure of the thing.Finally
when I could sense that it was my turn,I just bowed my head and looked at
the floor and shook my head no.And so the LORD and I had a few tussles after
that in the future.But I was so happy in my new life that right when I got
home,I told what had happened,to the Church.
I was baptized upon my confession of faith.WOW!
Peter Fuhrman
Every word of God is pure:

*******

Becoming a Holy Bible believer.AV1611

And now my turn.
I was raised in a little Baptist church in Powell River,B.C.[The most
spectacular place on earth].
Our church used the Holy Bible but when push came to shove,one could see
compromise in the church,even as an elementary student.I remember seeing
&quot;the Good News&quot; Hanging around.I remember one of the Grandmas telling me
that it was not a REAL Bible.That only the One that we have is the real Holy
Bible.

I was very good at learning the verses and at sword drills.By the time I
became a teen ager,I had hundreds of verses memorized fluently.At sword
drill time in Sunday School general sessions It became Peter against every
one including the adults.It wasn\'t until I was about 16 that I lost my first
sword drill to this pretty girl that was interested in me,but I was quite
slow and even more shy.

The back of the hymnals would have the responsive readings,and so I would
read along and go &quot;HEY,This is not the Bible.And there would be the odd time
that all of the congregation knew it too and the Pastor would have to
explain the situation that the RV was the Translation in the back of the
Hymnals.Some pastors that we had would not use it,and would have us all read
from the Bible.

I would look up verses very fast to check the hymnal,going,&quot;hey,that doesn\'t
sound right,and I would be right.So I ended up having a peculiar confidence
in my own estimation of things.This was turned to pride,of course.

I fell into sin and the confidence disappeared,But I did love God\'s word.I
remember living in Cockroach infested hotel rooms in the downtown east side
of Vancouver where all the druggies and alchi\'s hung out and get their free
meals at the Missions.

Myself,I vacillated back and forth,from street life to being with the
Children of God cult, or living with friends, or my brother on the farm, in
Quesnel,B.C.

I had quite the interest in the truth.Over the years I would hear &quot;the
Greek&quot; this,and the &quot;so and so Bible&quot; says this.And honestly my curriosity
got the better of me.I started to collect Bibles;every month it was another
Bible.I would compare them with the real Holy Bible.

I ended up with boxes and boxes of translations.I missed out on a 1700\'s
American produced Bible as well.$$$
As I was comparing these versions and reading My own Holy Bible,I became
more and more confused.I knew that when one says one thing and the other
says the other thing and sometimes one would not agree with any,it caused
great concern and most of all, great confusion.

I sat down and started to think about this,for even some verses would say
the &quot;OPPOSITE&quot; of what the Holy Bible says,but these &quot;Scholars:&quot;would tout
the version as the best thing to happen since penicillin.I became shocked and
confused,thinking,how could men of God [if that is what they are] say such
things and get people to believe them?This is serious stuff.

I remember one day soon after that,that I decided to have a talk with the
LORD.The discussion was very short.I said [after studying translation
after translation,and comparing versions non-stop]after doing some
writing;&quot;NOW WHAT,LORD?NOW WHAT?&quot;

I had exhausted myself into this research and was at an end of myself.I loved
God,and desired to serve him,no matter the cost.
The LORD laid upon my heart to fast and pray.So right away,I started
considering all of the godly and Biblical numbers in the Holy Bible.
One-God is one-That is a definite.
Three-the trinity-another definite.
Twelve-twelve,another
40,Yaa!Lets go for forty.
I settled for Three.
umm,..er..I lasted two.
But during those two days I had poured out my heart to God,I confessed every
sin,that I could think of at the time,And by the end of the second night,I
has a real Peace come over me.I lay down and said,&quot;I love you LORD and I
just want to live for you.Whatever happens to tomorrow,I don\'t know what it
is,but I just want to live for you.&quot;

I ended up at the Caral Street Mission the next night.It was Jubilee Bible
College Students turn that night.

I sang the songs,with purpose,when it was testimony time I would say a short
word.
But I looked horrible.
I had just made a vow to God and cut my hair off with a pair of ordinary
scissors.Ugly.
At the end of the session the Bible college students surrounded me and one
of them[a red haired man with big burly eyebrows]places his hands on me and
said gruffly;

&quot;I see you love the LORD! How would you like to go to Bible School?Don\'t
worry about the finances,God will take care of that.&quot;

Well,considering the last couple days and my prayer and fasting,How was I to
say no to God.I accepted,and two days later on Monday,I was in Bible school.
They used only the KJB.They asked us to use it as well for classes.

During my time at Jubilee,we had the opportunity to do projects on anything
we wanted once or twice per year.
Twice,I picked the KJB and its history.

After Bible school I started to get all sorts of Greek and Hebrew helps,for
that is what their teachers were always quoting.So I got my
Strong\'s,Vine\'s,TWOT,etc.

After a time I happened on the tracts of the Trintarian Bible society.
Well that sure strengthened my faith in the Holy Bible,and gave me ammunition
against the corrupted materials,but it did not register.All it did is make
me a KJB preferred man.

I remember thinking that if I could learn a few Greek Words and what
not,that I could have people come to me and learn of me.I could be the final
arbiter.But I sensed the evilness of it and did not follow through all the
way with that.But I did dabble and push my way around and try to impress my
friends that I was an authority.LORD,forgive me.I learned the Greek and made
my own dictionary.

I ended up joining the Trinitarian Bible Society,but they were happening to
have legal disputes with the England main Branch.And I was taken back by
that,and so discontinued my membership with them.I still have a couple of
their tracts.And met a couple at the Missions Fest in Vancouver B.C.

I remember about that time,that someone had placed a tract in the back of
the church,in Powell River.And since I was the janitor,I had lots of time on
my hands to stay at the church on Sunday afternoons and read.Plus I lived
several miles outside of town.So I read this tract called New age Bible
versions.
I was shocked at the egregious errors of the new versions and was more
determined to stick to the real Holy Bible.

I ended up getting married in Nelson,B.C. and brought my wife back to Powell
River,B.C.
We attended this litte country church about eight miles out side of town at
their request.
After a while in the summer,we were asked to house-sit for an elderly couple
from the church,because they were going to go to Alberta, visiting
relatives.We accepted.And so there we were on the beach of the ocean with
Texada Island in front of us as we faced south.And Vancouver Island in
behind that.Very spectacular,indeed.

We settled in and looked around the house and I noticed his library[ as I
always do],For my own library was quite the swelling size as well.By this
time I was confident in the KJB as the real Holy Bible,but yet had no real
working knowledge as to why it was better than the others,other than what
most people would see.

I noticed in the middle of the bookshelf this Black book,entitled New Age
Bible Versions.
It rang a little bell,and after a minute of gaining the confidence to touch
his book,I opened it up.I was agast!!!The information was overwhelming.

Every page had something of crucial importance of what I was looking for to
determine these answers that I needed.At that time,I was just briefing
through the pages.I would tell my wife,Nadine,&quot;look at this!!&quot; and then she
would take the book and look up a few pages herself and show me.And then we
both were reading and looking at it together.

The evidence was so overwhelming that right there,even though I knew that
the KJB was THE HOLY BIBLE,this sealed the deal for me in a way that brought
instant repentance in both of our lives.That very same day,or the day
after,we were deciding to go back home a get all of our other Bibles and
bring them to the Beach house.

My wife said tomorrow but I think I persuaded her to make it today,either
way,it was right NOW.We felt the urgency of the whole thing.Anyway,we drove
back home, grabbed every other Bible, including our wedding Bible and
brought it to the Beach house.

We took them all out to the back of the house and started a fire beside this
stump.We repented and ripped up every fifty pages or so out of every Book
and vowed to stay true to the Word of God.It was a rejoicing day watching
those lies go up in smoke and flames,including our brand new Wedding
Bible[NKJV].

We had pulled an ACTS 19:19 in the back yard beside the stump that Summer
day.

I read the book some four times straight through.Then I started reading
other authors on the same subject.
I started so get quite the education on Bible history.I remember reading
Church history books and not understanding why they kept talking of the
Catholic Church as the church when they were as they were.Then after reading
NABV,and other Bible version authors,all of history started to make complete
sense.
Now when I read and study the Holy Bible,it is with purpose and with much
consecrated passion.

Years later,I finally got my first computer,that was last year.The rest is
history.

Peter Fuhrman
Every word of God is pure:');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('87', '40e6da2aa3', 'How far have they fallen?', '[quote:40e6da2aa3]The problem is that this darkness has in many ways reached as far as KJBOs and Pentecostals. Many KJBOs are at a limited position, while many Pentecostals have fallen into feelings-based religion, and accuse KJBO of being pharisees. [/quote:40e6da2aa3]
I was talking with a man today who had gone to an AoG service and, although he is not a believer, he is starting to see that his problem has been not taking on certainty in believing. When I pointed out that the power of God is sufficient to preserve the Bible throughout history and that modern versions deny this, he understood that the whole issue is one of authority - Is man powerful enough to thwart God\'s purpose or is God powerful enough to get His pure Word to man? The modern Pentecostals have largely lost this certainty of God\'s power through a shifting sand philosophy. &quot;Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.&quot; (Colossians 2:8).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('88', '2afcefd76a', 'Prayer.', '[quote:2afcefd76a]I am praying for the Church there and the ministry to the Lord, that is happening.[/quote:2afcefd76a]
Thanks Peter, we appreciate this and pray for you too.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('89', 'd4240b3fd5', 'Science falsely so called', 'Some present-day creationists have shot themselves in the foot by saying that 1 Timothy 6:20 could not possibly be used to refer to evolution. They say erroneously that the word &quot;science&quot; here really refers to &quot;mystery religion&quot;, so is not related to the type of science of today.

&quot;O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [i:d4240b3fd5]and [/i:d4240b3fd5]vain babblings, oppositions of science falsely so called&quot; (1 Timothy 6:20).

Since the &quot;falsely so called&quot; implies that the &quot;science&quot; referred to can be true and good, then &quot;science&quot; could not be equivalent to &quot;mystery religion&quot; since there is no such thing as a true and good mystery religion.

Obviously, the word &quot;science&quot; must be taken as &quot;a system of knowledge&quot;, something which can be applied right through history even to the present day. To read anything more into this is contextually erroneous. It is quite clear that there are both true and false systems of knowledge and evolution of today fits into the latter type. This makes sense and fits the historical meaning without trying to force some man-made meaning from private interpretation.

Clearly, a simple reading of the King James Bible is sufficient. When creationists take the reading as is, instead of trying to twist it to say something else, then they will always be consistent in their witness.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('90', '28d762f3d8', 'Witchcraft indoctrination', 'I will post more information on this in the future but it is a sad reality that children are now being targeted to learn the principles of witchcraft, such as spell casting, astrology, magic and reincarnation. One area of indoctrination is that of witchcraft video games, specifically the genre called &quot;Role Playing Games&quot; or RPGs, which are predominantly of a witchcraft nature (eg. the Final Fantasy series of games).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('91', '42f7cca71c', 'Peddling the evolution religion to children', 'I picked up a magazine the other day (Wildlife Australia, Spring 1991, pgs 10-12) and came across this ridiculous article on \'Changing dinosaurs into birds\', with foolish claims like \'they became warm blooded\'!. Then at the back of the magazine they had the audacity to have an article (about Environmental Law) discussing what they thought the definition of sin was! Why should evolutionists think they have any credibility in discussing such things? The concept of evolution is incompatible with absolute moral standards. They called it \'an offence against moral principle\'. The Bible reveals what the true definition of sin is: &quot;Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.&quot; (1 John 3:4).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('92', '6c2480dfe2', 'Unicorns', 'Some people have suggested that the word &quot;unicorn&quot; in the King James Bible may be referring to a type of dinosaur.

While it is certain that the word unicorn was a real creature, with one horn, it is unlikely that the creature is a reptile, but something between equine, bovine and goat creatures. It seems to be a unique &quot;kind&quot;.

The Bible indicates that these one horned creatures were strong, wild and real.

The thing is, that creationists should be defending the existence of unicorns, not saying that is a translation error, especially since there are all kinds of one horned animals known to exist.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('93', 'dc03579cfb', 'Jehovah / Riplinger', '*******
Jesus &amp; Jehovah
orYahweh@Yaho.con

And God spake unto Moses,
and said unto him,
I am the LORD:

And I appeared unto
Abraham,unto Issac,and
unto Jacob, by the
name of God Almighty,
but by my name
JEHOVAH was I not
Known to them.
Exodus 6:2-3

*******
The name of God is spelled with the Hebrew letters
yod, heh, vav, and heh, read from right to left
and then transliterated into English as JHVH
[called the Tetragrammaton]. In the KJV Old Testament
it is translated \'JEHOVAH\' seven times [and rendered \'LORD\'the remaining times; see New Age Bible Versions, pp.373-385]. Each of the letters of the Hebrew
alphabet paints a picture. The letters in the name of God
illustrate the following:

J=jod
It suggests a \'giving, extending hand\'[Mysteries of
the alphabet,p.207.]

H=Heh
It represnts an \'Enclosure, like heaven or a
window. [mysteries,p.191]

V=vav
It symbolizes a nail [Mysteries, p.168]. A \'v\' in
English is a pictogram of the chiseled end of a nail.

H=heh
The H is repeated at
the end of the name because &quot;Jesus was risen&quot;and
&quot;received up into hevean&quot; again[Mark 16:19].

God reached his hand out of the windows of heaven and we put a nail in it; having taken our punishment for sin, he has returned to heaven. The :nail&quot; &quot;pierced&quot; &quot;hands&quot; of Jesus were fortold in Ps.22:16 and Isaiah 22:23-25.
[Dr.Floyd Jones has even suggested that the sign recorded in John 19:19 might have been written in Hebrew, JESUS OF NAZARETH AND THE KING OF THE JEWS, Creating an acrostic of the name JHVH, as the vav for \'and\' begins the word for King, melek[see Hebrew Old testament Gen.14:8 for Hebrew form]. This could explain why the Jews immediately asked Pilate to change it to &quot;he said, I am King of the Jews&quot;[v.21].

	New Post Re: Jesus &amp; Jehovah
Jesus &amp; Jehovah cont.

JESUS is a translation of the Hebrew \'Joshua,\'meaning \'JEHOVAH is salvation. \'Jesus Christ is shown to be the J, the jod &quot;the arm of the LORD&quot; in Isaiah 53:1-12 and 59:16, which says, &quot;therefore his arm brought salvation.&quot; Isaiah 63:2, 5 repeat this theme.

The jod, is a picture of an arm and hand,drawn in a tiny and compact form. Professor Ouaknin traced the jod from pictograms of a praising upright arm and hand,to outstretched arms, as if on a cross, and finally, to an arm and hand reaching down,like the letter j -reaching like Jesus--to rescue perishing mankind [mysteries,pp.200-207].

In the 19thcentury, as unbelieving German critics of the Bible were hammering away at the word of God, they tried to refashion God\'s name, JEHOVAH. They asserted that the God of Israel\'s name should be pronounced Yaweh because, to them, he was nothing more than an offshoot of the pagan deity &quot;Yaho.&quot;Nothing could be further from the truth.
The Jews, who generally did not utter the name of God, had used, but ceased using the name JEHOVAH &quot;centuries before the Christian era&quot;notes the classic scholar\'s edition of the Encyclopedia Britanica. It affirms that,&quot;...reading what actually stood in the text,they would inevitably pronounce the name Jehovah&quot;...The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopediaadmits that in the &quot;older system of transliteration, Jehovah&quot; is the pronounciation. It states,

&quot;In the Masoretic text the usual form would give
the pronounciation Yehowah[pronounced,Jehovah]&quot;

Thousands of years ago, perhaps 3,600, the name JEHOVAH was given by God to Moses. It is seen first in Gen.2:4 in the Hebrew Old Testament and translated in Exodus 6:3 in the KJV. In his scholarly book, A Diossertation Concerning the Antiquity of the Hebrew Language, Letters, Vowel-Points and Accents, John Gill [1697-1771], eminent theologian and writer, documents the use of the very name JEHOVAH from before 200 B.C. and throughout the centuries of the early church and the following millenium. The Hebrew\'s Mishna allowed the name as a salutation [Berachoth,ix,5]; according to Thalmid, the priests in the temple could use the true name, but those in the country could only use Adonai [vii,2]; Maimonides said the name was used by the priests in the sanctuary and on the Day of Atonement [Moreh Nebukim,I,61, and &quot;Yad chaska,&quot;xiv,10] .

Even commentators such as Nichols of Lyra, Tostatus, Cajetan, and Bonfrere defended the pronouciation \'JEHOVAH\' as received by Moses on Mt.Horeb. The name is found in the writings of Raymund Martin in the 1200\'s and Porchetus in the 1300\'s. Theodore Beza, Galatinus, and Cajetan, among many others, use it in the 1500\'s. Scholars such as Michaelis, Drach and Stier proved the name as the original. The 1602 Spanish Bible uses the name Iehova and gave a lengthy defence of the pronounciation Jehovah in its preface. In &quot;the 17th century the pronounciation JEHOVAH was zealously defended by Fuller, Gataker, Leudsen and others, against the criticisms...&quot;p.416 IAOTW
*******
This is the first part of Gail\'s work of twenty some pages upon the name of Jehovah.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('94', '70042d51cf', '', '[quote:70042d51cf]The name of God is spelled with the Hebrew letters 
yod, heh, vav, and heh[/quote:70042d51cf]

According to Psalm 119, it should be &quot;Jod, He, Vau, He&quot;.

[quote:70042d51cf]The letters in the name of God illustrate the following: [/quote:70042d51cf]

This is dangerous because it lends itself to mystery doctrine such as of the Kabbala.

[quote:70042d51cf]JESUS is a translation of the Hebrew \'Joshua,\'meaning \'JEHOVAH is salvation.[/quote:70042d51cf]

This is true.

[quote:70042d51cf]In the 19thcentury, as unbelieving German critics of the Bible were hammering away at the word of God, they tried to refashion God\'s name, JEHOVAH. They asserted that the God of Israel\'s name should be pronounced Yaweh because, to them, he was nothing more than an offshoot of the pagan deity &quot;Yaho.&quot;Nothing could be further from the truth[/quote:70042d51cf]. 

This is correct.

Various Christian teachers who have brought out some good ideas have had some fanciful or erroneous ideas too, such as pre-Adamite race, pyramidology, British Israel, hyper-allegorical symbology and so on. We need to weigh up everything. If someone teaches something which is off the mark, it has been acceptable to adopt that person\'s correct teachings, without taking on board their other errors.

People must also be careful to not present their arguments in an exaggerated or dishonest way. For example, it is easy to say that modern versions are made by deceivers, however, this is not entirely the truth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('95', 'ef39b3e6bc', 'Unicorns', '[quote:ef39b3e6bc]Therefore, it is very likely that the unicorn is a kind of dragon.[/quote:ef39b3e6bc] 
It is definite that the word &quot;unicorn&quot; does mean a one-horned creature. Whilst we cannot be definitive as to what the unicorn actually was (in terms of its kind and specific looks), we do know that the word/s put in its place by modern versions is once again erroneous in that the one-horned idea is completely taken away. For example, the NIV says for Numbers 23:22 the following: &quot;God brought them out of Egypt; they have the strength of a wild ox.&quot;

The pure King James Bible gives the correct message in Numbers 23:22 as follows: &quot;God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.&quot;

We see the singularity of the unicorn\'s horn in Psalm 92:10 - &quot;But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.&quot; Notice now the nonsense of the NIV: &quot;You have exalted my horn like that of a wild ox; fine oils have been poured upon me.&quot; The word &quot;horn&quot; is only used once here because they know the nonsense of including the second &quot;horn&quot; reference, thus taking away the important information that the KJB keeps.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('96', 'ff25bf996c', 'What are the consequences of false religion?', 'One of the consequences of false religion amongst so-called Christians is to think wrongly about religion itself. Some think there is no such thing as true religion, so they make ridiculous unbiblical statements like: &quot;I\'m not in a religion. I\'m in a relationship.&quot;

Well, if they are not in a religion, then how can they be in the &quot;pure religion&quot; that the Bible speaks of? &quot;Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [i:ff25bf996c]and [/i:ff25bf996c]to keep himself unspotted from the world.&quot; (James 1:27).

Clearly, when people depart from the pure Bible, then they get into erroneous thinking about many things. Religion that is &quot;pure&quot; must come from a pure font. What is love of the Word of God based on? The following answers this very clearly: &quot;Thy word [i:ff25bf996c]is [/i:ff25bf996c]very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.&quot; (Psalm 119:140).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('98', '99ad8e7518', 'Where is the authority?', 'So far no answer from anti-King James Bible only &quot;expert&quot; Rick Norris... at the moment he is too busy ripping into Donald Waite\'s research into changes in the King James Bible. I know Waite\'s research is only partial, but that part of what I had to begin with, when I made my list of differences between the 1611 Edition and the Pure Cambridge Edition.

Of course, there are no &quot;real&quot; differences in the King James Bible, that is, no actual changes in the underlying text or translation. There are all kinds of word differences though, over 2000 of them.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('99', '85e5de706b', 'KJB and Pentecostalism', 'The message for Pentecostals is to listen to the Spirit of truth. The Spirit and the Word of God will not disagree. It is ludicrous to be as some are in saying &quot;Well, you have to get into the Spirit and not be a Pharisee.&quot; as though knowing the Bible places a person in the Pharisee position. This is because many calling themselves &quot;Pentecostal&quot; have actually gone away from the Word in much of their words and actions.

&quot;Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth&quot; (John 16:13a). What is the truth that the Spirit guides people into? It must be the Word of God.

&quot;Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.&quot; (John 17:17). &quot;Thy word [i:85e5de706b]is [/i:85e5de706b]true [i:85e5de706b]from [/i:85e5de706b]the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments [i:85e5de706b]endureth [/i:85e5de706b]for ever.&quot; (Psalm 119:160). The true Pentecostal position, therefore, will be that of the Spirit empowering and guiding a person into truth. Since the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible is on Earth for all to see, then the guidance will be towards this perfect Word of God. The fact that many have gone astray through modern versions shows that the position they are in is one of forsaking guidance into truth.

&quot;And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.&quot; (Isaiah 58:11).

Also, the message for those anti-Pentecostals who are KJBO is that they should understand that the leading of the Spirit will clarify the proper KJBO position for consistent evangelism of the whole world in the last days. The fullness of this leading is through the Traditional Pentecostal position.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('101', '7c5af61c33', 'Pride is a naughty thing.', 'I suspect that Rick is tackling Waite\'s materials, because he does not want to admit that he was wrong. Not having the will to grow.
I suspect that it is even the same with various KJBers as well.

Pride is a naughty thing.
*******
Matthew,
You made some good points there.
In particular, that of the AV being the new type of TR for the final standard of  
 truth, with the Spirit of God guiding the gentlemen over the years.
Now, with the AV being perfect in every regard, it has indeed taken the throne, and sits as king in the realm of truth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('102', '0ba94e603c', 'Pride is a naughty thing.', 'Amen, Peter.

And what is the origin of contention? &quot;Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.&quot; (Proverbs 13:10). It is evident that various anti-KJBOs do not want the answers, even when given to them over and over again, very plainly.

As for the KJB being:
1. An independant variety of the TR, that is said by Hills
2. The final form of the Received Text, mentioned in Pastor Craig Savige\'s &quot;The Authorized King James Bible Connection&quot; (you can get that booklet at www.bibleprotector.com)

[quote:0ba94e603c]Now, with the AV being perfect in every regard, it has indeed taken the throne, and sits as king in the realm of truth.[/quote:0ba94e603c]

That\'s true: some people make the mistake of making Jesus = the KJB and vice versa. This is because people confuse the &quot;Word&quot; of John 1:1, 14 with references to the &quot;word&quot; as scripture. And there is a difference between &quot;Word&quot; and &quot;word&quot; as can be shown in our jot and tittle correct Bible.

Since God is eternal, He knew the KJB was going to be His chosen last days form of His Word on Earth. That is what He was aiming for when He gave the Scripture by inspiration, back in the days of Moses, etc.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('103', 'e08833d9ba', 'images: signature, avatar, rank', 'You can put code for images in your signature too.

No one can change their rank (or that image) manually.

You can also pick an avatar image for yourself out of a limited range of choices.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('104', '2f6e09f657', 'Preaching Tomorrow', 'Pastor Raymond phoned me up this last Wednesday and asked if I would like to preach  this Sunday 4th. Short notice, but with God, all things are possible.

Will be preaching on what true love looks like, [as opposed to selfishness]. 
I have written my notes upon computer paper of old that is 14 inches wide and 23 inches tall. About a newspaper size. I will speak like a herald or the night watchman.
Would covet your prayers in this.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('105', '42d7201f00', 'Pride is the core issue', 'I once did a paper, about twenty or thirty pages long on the topic of anger in the book of Proverbs. I started by looking at every verse that mentioned the word anger and other similar words. Then I made a road map and the centre of the issue of anger was Proverbs 21:24 Proud [i:42d7201f00]and[/i:42d7201f00] haughty scorner [i:42d7201f00]is[/i:42d7201f00] his name, who dealeth in proud wrath.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('106', 'efcce33395', 'Preaching', 'All true preaching is an opportunity to communicate the Word of God. Without the Word of God, it is merely storytelling and lecturing.

&quot;But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [i:efcce33395]even [/i:efcce33395]in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach&quot; (Romans 10:8).

Praise the Lord for opportunities to preach His Word.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('607', 'fc470bb085', '1612', '1 Kings reads;
15:29 house of
18:28 cried aloud
*******
note of interest;
8:38 reads by al   a typo?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('108', '2889cef0c4', 'Guy Fawkes Day v. Halloween', 'The 5th of November is Guy Fawkes day. This is a much better time for children to be going out and getting lollies and having a fire etc. than Halloween (31st of October).

Halloween is a Roman Catholic and witchcraft celebration. They believe that the souls of people are around on the earth, or that devils moving around or something. Whatever the case, to dress up as witches, wizards, goths, etc. at this time is linking to an anti-Biblical view.

We should remember that Guy Fawkes was caught and that he could not kill King James, blow up parliament or put an end to Protestant England or the making of the King James Bible. Now that is important.

Lancelot Andrewes, one of the translators of the King James Bible said that 5 November should be had in everlasting remembrance.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('109', 'e0c56759d7', 'Women in Ministry', 'A woman who was placed by God in an important position of influence was Queen Esther. When her people were faced with genocide under the reign of King Ahasuerus of Persia (in a plot devised by Haman), Esther ministered faithfully before God and rallied the Jews to support her in petitioning for their lives. She understood the special position God had placed her in and acted as a courageous representative of God.

&quot;Then Mordecai commanded to answer Esther, Think not with thyself that thou shalt escape in the king’s house, more than all the Jews. For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, [i:e0c56759d7]then[/i:e0c56759d7] shall there enlargement and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place; but thou and thy father’s house shall be destroyed: and who knoweth whether thou art come to the kingdom for [i:e0c56759d7]such[/i:e0c56759d7] a time as this? Then Esther bade [i:e0c56759d7]them[/i:e0c56759d7] return Mordecai [i:e0c56759d7]this answer[/i:e0c56759d7], Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which [i:e0c56759d7]is[/i:e0c56759d7] not according to the law: and if I perish, I perish. So Mordecai went his way, and did according to all that Esther had commanded him.&quot; (Esther 4:13-17).

God places women in positions of leadership, influence and authority, as He did for Esther. Esther accepted her God-given responsibilities and relied completely on His power and mercy. As such, God used her to bring about deliverance for His people.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('110', 'c862aee8b3', 'Guy Fawkes Day', 'Sometimes people accuse the Puritans of &quot;cancelling Christmas&quot;. This is extreme, and there are some who have gone to the extreme of doing so. But it is interesting that during the Puritan rule in England, 1649–1660 that Guy Fawkes day was kept.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('111', 'd173a36037', 'What are the consequences of false religion?', 'Other consequences of false religion are fear, confusion and acting in a foolish and rash manner. An example of this can be seen among the Diana-worshippers of Ephesus in the New Testament. There was no order or wise counsel to be found amongst these people when their false religion was threatened:

&quot;For a certain [i:d173a36037]man[/i:d173a36037] named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen; Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth. Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands: So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth. And when they heard [i:d173a36037]these sayings[/i:d173a36037], they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great [i:d173a36037]is[/i:d173a36037] Diana of the Ephesians. And the whole city was filled with confusion: and having caught Gaius and Aristarchus, men of Macedonia, Paul’s companions in travel, they rushed with one accord into the theatre.&quot; (Acts 19:24-29).

Without the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ, darkness prevails in people\'s hearts and the outworking of this is seen in their actions.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('114', '248cbc60e2', 'Hovind versus Sarfati', 'Here are some quotes from [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Hovind[/url]

&quot;The U.S arm of AiG, lead by Ken Ham had an acrimonious split with its Australian parent in 2005. The Australian organisation then split itself entirely off, now styling themselves as Creation Ministries International. The split lead to various claims between the estranged Creationists of unethical dealing in the theft of magazine subscribers, autocracy, egotism, unChristlike behavior, and even extending to moral failure and hidden sin. However, a sideline to the main dispute included differences in how the two organisations approached criticism to Hovind. It was noted that material critical to Hovind was no longer available on the U.S Answers In Genesis website, whereas the Australian CMI website still chose to retain the critical material.&quot;

&quot;Hovind considers the King James Version of the Bible to be the inerrant word of God that must be taken literally.&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('115', '42a6057a9e', 'Hovind and the KJB', '[quote:42a6057a9e]&quot;Hovind considers the King James Version of the Bible to be the inerrant word of God that must be taken literally.&quot;[/quote:42a6057a9e]
Dr Hovind is certainly more consistent in his creationist stand than the Answers in Genesis organisation, which has departed from a position of using the King James Bible.

This, of course, is the problem with all creationists that depart from the KJB, namely that they start to descend into error and even start to attack the KJB itself. See other previous posts that identify areas of attack, such as the firmament, dragons, unicorns, the authority of the Bible etc.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('116', 'b9de399930', '', 'As for me, I am just a beginner (for the Lord Jesus Christ recently regenerated me, and has exposed the real truth to me so that I can LIVE!), so all I use right now is the Plain Text PDF (the one with 1144 pages) which is available on this site.  After comparing all four, this one is my favorite.  But one of the things I had to do to this electronic text edition was download an evaluation copy of Adobe Acrobat so I could edit the PDF document so that the page numbers in the table of contents were accurate.  For example, page 1 was page i.  So I made the first 6 pages i through vi.  That way, when I typed something like 1064 for the book of Ephesians, I know it\'s going to bring me to the first page.  Or again, if I type something like 923 for Luke, I know it\'s going to be the first page of Luke.  Otherwise, I would have to get used to subtracting 6 each time, and thus I would have had a technically impure Bible.  Yes, I am quite a perfectionist when it comes to the Bible.

The only thing I wish were available is a red-letter, self-pronouncing Pure Cambridge Edition (the one with 1144 pages).  Or at the very least, a self-pronouncing edition (how about with a very large concordance too?).

But I still thank our Holy Father in Heaven for raising up Matthew so I could have a perfect King James Bible.  I really shouldn\'t ask for more! Amen!  Let the Lord be magnified!

I guess that\'s all I have!

Timothy');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('117', 'c40dddf883', 'Timothy', 'Hello Timothy,

It\'s great that you have come onto this forum

[quote:c40dddf883]technically impure Bible[/quote:c40dddf883]

There is a difference between the purity of the words and the technical things. For example, the Bible says, in Psalm 119:140, &quot;Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.&quot;

The words must be right. As for rips in the pages of a Bible or something, no one likes blemishes, but they are not going to make the words of the Bible impure.

The self pronouncing text is the aim: it has been hard to find or get fonts with those symbols in it, like a dot under the &quot;i&quot; and so on. But I think I have got that solved now.

[quote:c40dddf883]But I still thank our Holy Father in Heaven for raising up Matthew so I could have a perfect King James Bible.[/quote:c40dddf883]

I am not alone. I believe that God has raised up various people to help and to come into knowledge in this area. I can say that if it wasn\'t for Pastor Craig Savige, I probably wouldn\'t be much of a Christian today. And there are other people who are growing with us.

&quot;For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ&quot; (Ephesians 3:14).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('442', '857fd769bf', 'Historicist Prophecy', 'One thing I have found in the SwordSearcher program is that the commentaries there list various interpretations of Bible prophecy, especially the historicist view.

Because the historicist view is not well understood, it is needful to build up some basic knowledge on this area, line upon line.

There are two principles:

1. That the prophecies should be taken symbolically, unless something requires a literal meaning. For example, the &quot;beasts&quot; are clearly symbols.

2. That time is represented by other measures, so that when days are mentioned, a day equals a year. “I have appointed thee each day for a year.” (Ezekiel 4:6b).

By using these two Scriptural principles, people would be astonished at the accuracy and depth of Bible prophecies as regarding events which occurred in history.

There are prophecies in Daniel regarding events in the Grecian Empire, the rise and working of Rome and the first coming of the Messiah.

Revelation speaks about the Church, the fall of pagan Rome, the Papacy, the Turks, the French Revolution and more.

While many prophecies are now fulfilled, there are still some which must come to pass.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('118', '9762e4ddf6', 'Re: Jehovah / Riplinger', '[quote:9762e4ddf6=\"PeterAV\"]*******
[Dr.Floyd Jones has even suggested that the sign recorded in John 19:19 might have been written in Hebrew, JESUS OF NAZARETH AND THE KING OF THE JEWS, Creating an acrostic of the name JHVH, as the vav for \'and\' begins the word for King, melek[see Hebrew Old testament Gen.14:8 for Hebrew form]. This could explain why the Jews immediately asked Pilate to change it to &quot;he said, I am King of the Jews&quot;[v.21].[/quote:9762e4ddf6]

Wow, what a perspective!  I just read that today.  But concerning verse 21, my interpretation of it (forgive my private interpretation, Lord!) was that the chief priests of the Jews felt quite uncomfortable with that due to their pride, and would rather continue their abuse by having the picture complete in their minds:  Jesus on the cross with the title saying &quot;I am the King of the Jews&quot; so then they could say to each other, &quot;some king, huh?  How pathetic.&quot;  And when I read verse 22, I said &quot;oh, so Pilate knows the truth, and the chief priests simply want His crucifixion to be that much more humiliating&quot;, or something to that effect!

In other words, I think they were thinking that they would rather humiliate Him even more by having His own words on the cross so they could say prideful and hurtful things to Him so they could feel that much better about themselves.

Not only that, but verse 20 says &quot;for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city&quot;, which tells me that it might also have something to do with the fact that Pilate included &quot;Nazareth&quot; in the title.

I think I\'m going to set my heart on finding out just exactly why they wanted it to read differently!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('165', '6ee322c840', 'Geba not Gaba at Ezra 2:26', 'I once said that if the PCE doctrine (namely that the KJB is perfect in one Edition on Earth today) were true, then it would stand up to any attack against it and that evidence would easily come forth to substantiate this. Indeed, it should be that as we progress in truth, there should be even more evidence for the certainty of the doctrine.

Matthew\'s excellent refutation of gainsayers in other forums has continually shown the PCE to be always superior with clear answers for any who want to face the truth. This includes the attack on the PCE regarding Ezra 2:26. I recommend people to examine on the issue http://p208.ezboard.com/What-if-the-Cambridge-Standard-Text-Edition-is-correct/ffinalauthority48270frm31.showMessage?topicID=297.topic

The KJB is a self-authenticating book for those who approach it correctly (ie. in a believing way) but it is a rock of destruction for those who want to attack it.

The gainsayers will be rebuked as fools, just as in the following: &quot;Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken&quot; (Luke 24:25).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('120', 'd0959cb7d4', '', 'And of course we cannot forget Harry Potter.  Fifty thousand pieces of silver!!  Yeah, you know what I\'m saying.  Is anyone up for a bonfire?  Bring your favorite Harry Potter items!  heh..

Of all the people to win a $40 Million lottery!!  Thank you Lord for showing us how close to the blessed hope we might be!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('121', '437b295044', '', 'Very simply, the Jews did not believe that Jesus was the King of the Jews, so it was pride that got in the way when they saw what Pilate had written.

&quot;Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews.&quot; (John 19:21).

They were making it as if it were a false claim.

There are all kinds of teachers, doctrines and so on around the place, but we always have to judge. Otherwise we will be blown about with every wind of doctrine.

&quot;There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:10).

Some of those voices are deceivers and evil folk. But we have the Good Shepherd: He said that his sheep hear his voice.

Now, look at:

Matthew 27:37
THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Mark 15:26
THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Luke 23:38
THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

John 19:19
JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Note that all the four Gospels seem to be different. And yet, all are telling the truth. There is no error in the pure Word that we have today. This is because we believe that the Bible is giving complementry information.

An unbeliever can come and say &quot;Look, the Bible has differences, therefore it is wrong.&quot; But we say, &quot;The Bible is showing in parts the bigger picture.&quot; All the parts come together to form the bigger picture. On the cross it must have said, when considering the three times it was written in three languages, THIS IS JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('113', 'e9c7065c79', 'Dr Sarfati against the KJB', 'Here is a quote from leading creationist, Dr Sarfati:

[color=red:e9c7065c79]I have made some comments throughout.[/color:e9c7065c79]

In some places, the old language of the KJV doesn’t communicate to most readers today, especially those with English as a second language, for example:

[color=red:e9c7065c79]Dr Sarfati forgets that the Holy Ghost is the one bringing the revelation.[/color:e9c7065c79]

•	Mark 7:19 ends: ‘purging all meats’.  Most modern readers have trouble working out what the Lord was teaching here, but many modern translations correctly translate: ‘In saying this, Jesus declared all foods “clean”.’ — a clear statement that we are no longer bound by the food laws of Moses.

[color=red:e9c7065c79]Dr Sarfati does not realise that there are good Christian teachers in the church, and many dictionaries available, including on the internet.[/color:e9c7065c79]

	In other places, the meanings of words have changed so as to make the text misleading, for example:
•	Gen. 1:28: ‘… God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, …’.  At the time the KJV was translated, the word ‘replenish’ meant ‘fill’, thus it was an accurate translation of the Hebrew verb male.  However, replenish later came to mean ‘re-fill’, so now the verse can give the impression that Adam and Eve were commanded to re-fill the earth, i.e. which had previously been filled, but had now become empty.   This is the false ‘gap’ or ‘ruin-reconstruction’ theory, a vain attempt to fit Genesis into billions of years ideas, which has undermined trust in biblical authority.  This pernicious view would probably never have been invented in the early 19th century if a translation into current language had been readily accepted, saying ‘fill the earth’.

[color=red:e9c7065c79]Dr Sarfati is actually creating an Ishmael by trying to help God get His Word right in English. Of course &quot;replenish&quot; meant &quot;fill&quot; in 1611.[/color:e9c7065c79]

•	Another example of where the old language can mislead is the use of pronouns like ‘which’ for the Holy Spirit, e.g. I Corinthians 6:19. Back in 1611, ‘which’ could refer to a person, in line with the biblical teaching that the Holy Spirit is the Third Person of the Holy Trinity (e.g. Acts 5:3–4, 13:2).  But nowadays, ‘which’ is normally used only with inanimate objects. This plays right into the hands of cults like the Jehovah’s Witnesses — they teach the heretical doctrine that the Holy Spirit is an impersonal force.  A modern translation such as ‘Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit in you, whom you have of God?’ makes it very clear that the Holy Spirit is a Person.

[color=red:e9c7065c79]Dr Sarfati is really trying to slur the KJB as a cult book.[/color:e9c7065c79]

•	Also, the KJV often used ‘it’ to refer to the Holy Spirit, e.g. Romans 8:16: ‘The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit....’ and I Peter 1:11, ‘… the Spirit of Christ … when it testified beforehand.’   Pneuma, the Greek word for ‘spirit’ is neuter, so the KJV translators used the neuter pronouns ‘it, itself,’ to make a technically accurate translation from the Greek, but again one that plays into the hands of the cultists.  Christ calls the Holy Spirit ‘He’ (ekeinos) in John 15:26 (cf. John 14:26) making is clear that He is a Person.

[color=red:e9c7065c79]Dr Sarfati is unwilling to consider perfectly good explanations, such as that &quot;Spirit itself&quot; is a metonymy. For example, a person is called by a title. Or a symbol can represent a person.[/color:e9c7065c79]

•	Sceptics often mock the Bible, falsely claiming that it teaches that the sky is a solid dome, by citing Gen. 1:6: ‘And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters’.   ‘Firmament’ today gives the impression of solidity, while the modern translation of the Hebrew word raqia’ as ‘expanse’ has no such problem.

[color=red:e9c7065c79]Dr Sarfati has gone against science by denying that the atmosphere is &quot;firm&quot;, or at least was &quot;firm&quot; before the flood.[/color:e9c7065c79]

•	Sceptics have also mocked the Bible as teaching mythological creatures like the unicorn (Deuteronomy 33:17).  However, the Hebrew word re’em simply means ‘wild ox’ as modern translations put it, and it may be a reference to the extinct aurochs.

[color=red:e9c7065c79]Dr Sarfati has gone the way of unbelief. Dragons, unicorns, cockatrices and satyrs must have meanings other than the witchcraft Dungeons and Dragons meanings.[/color:e9c7065c79]

•	One Australian atheistic anti-creationist has dishonestly mocked the Bible (with the blessing of some clergy) for saying ‘the voice of the turtle is heard in our land’ (Song of Sol. 2:12).  Modern translations show that the verse is referring to turtledoves.

[color=red:e9c7065c79]Dr Sarfati is really being dishonest by inferring that the KJB is deficient.[/color:e9c7065c79]

	Less doctrinally serious changes of the meanings of words include:
•	Matthew 26:34: ‘before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.’  In 1611, the word ‘deny’ really meant ‘disown’ in this context.

[color=red:e9c7065c79]Dr Sarfati can\'t be serious. As if a schoolchild does not know what deny means.[/color:e9c7065c79]

•	1 Thessalonians 4:15: ‘we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.’  ‘Prevent’ meant ‘precede’, but could a reader trying to learn English as a second language or without a church background work this out?  (He just might if he had training in Latin).  Therefore it would be best to use a translation which has the word ‘precede’.

[color=red:e9c7065c79]Dr Sarfati is suggesting that unlearned people NOT could find out what &quot;prevent&quot; means.[/color:e9c7065c79]

•	Luke 18:16: ‘But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me’.  ‘Suffer’ meant ‘permit’.

[color=red:e9c7065c79]I learnt this in Sunday School. Rather than mock, shouldn\'t Dr Sarfati want to instruct young people in the ways of reason and attaining higher knowledge?[/color:e9c7065c79]

	Some words and phrases are almost unknown today, for example: ‘champaign’ (Deut. 11:30), ‘cieled’ (Hag. 1:14), ‘clouted upon their feet’ (Josh. 9:5), ‘cotes’ (2 Chr. 32:28), ‘wimples’ (Isa. 3:22), ‘wist’ (Acts 12:9), ‘crookbackt’ (Lev. 21:30), ‘glede’ (Deut. 14:13), ‘neesing’ (Job 41:18), ‘amerce’ (Deut. 22:19), ‘sackbut’ (Dan. 3:19), ‘confection’ (not candy! — Ex. 30:35), etc.

[color=red:e9c7065c79]Note that these words are not common in the Bible.[/color:e9c7065c79]

...

A very biblical, scholarly and instructive response to such literature is The King James Only Controversy: Can You Trust the Modern Translations? (Bethany House, 1995), by the eminent Christian apologist and anti-cult expert, James White.

[color=red:e9c7065c79]Actually, James White\'s book is one of the worst I have ever read for error. It is anti-Biblical throughout. It is fairly shallow, and contains all kinds of misinformation, which cannot be regarded as anything good.[/color:e9c7065c79]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('122', 'c938c02399', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'The importance of Biblical preaching cannot be overemphasised. But what is proper preaching about? Is it measured by how it sways an audience? Is it mere storytelling from a pulpit? Or is it something that many would not recognise because there is so little of it in modernist churches?

There are Biblical answers to all these questions. One sure thing is that the minister of God [b:c938c02399]must [/b:c938c02399]preach and it [b:c938c02399]must [/b:c938c02399]be what God wants to communicate to the people of God.

&quot;For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.&quot; (1 Corinthians 1:21). The &quot;foolishness of preaching&quot; tells us that it is not the world that dictates what preaching is. Thus, preaching will not be some effort to be &quot;contemporary&quot; or an effort to try to match the world\'s standards. Preaching means that the minister of God relies on God completely, yielded to Him, so that only what the Master wants to say is what matters.

Preaching of the Word of God will be alien to the ears of the world because the world\'s system has been designed to keep people away from God and His Word. &quot;But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus\' sake.&quot; (2 Corinthians 4:3-5). This does not mean that those in the world are unreachable; it merely means that a decision to believe what is being preached is needed. &quot;For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.&quot; (Romans 1:16).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('123', 'ceca8ffce4', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'The important function of preaching is to get the truth into the hearts of the people. This means that preaching is about knowledge, not merely entertainment.

&quot;Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.&quot; (2 Timothy 4:17).

Preaching requires the true Word, not &quot;99% accuracy&quot;.

&quot;And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs. The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth. The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.&quot; (Ecclesiastes 12:9-11).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('124', 'f185a8cb0e', '', '[quote:f185a8cb0e=\"bibleprotector\"]Very simply, the Jews did not believe that Jesus was the King of the Jews, so it was pride that got in the way when they saw what Pilate had written.

&quot;Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews.&quot; (John 19:21).

They were making it as if it were a false claim.[/quote:f185a8cb0e]

I like how you worded that.  That precisely expresses how I felt when I read it.

[quote:f185a8cb0e=\"and then thou\"]There are all kinds of teachers, doctrines and so on around the place, but we always have to judge. Otherwise we will be blown about with every wind of doctrine.

&quot;There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:10).

Some of those voices are deceivers and evil folk. But we have the Good Shepherd: He said that his sheep hear his voice.

Now, look at:

Matthew 27:37
THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Mark 15:26
THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Luke 23:38
THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

John 19:19
JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Note that all the four Gospels seem to be different. And yet, all are telling the truth. There is no error in the pure Word that we have today. This is because we believe that the Bible is giving complementry information.

An unbeliever can come and say &quot;Look, the Bible has differences, therefore it is wrong.&quot; But we say, &quot;The Bible is showing in parts the bigger picture.&quot;

All the parts come together to form the bigger picture. On the cross it must have said, when considering the three times it was written in three languages, THIS IS JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.[/quote:f185a8cb0e]

Amen.

That was helpful, Matthew.  To God be the glory!  yea, let God be true, but every man a liar.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('125', '6e90fa0e8f', 'Re: Timothy', '[quote:6e90fa0e8f=\"bibleprotector\"]Hello Timothy,

It\'s great that you have come onto this forum[/quote:6e90fa0e8f]

Thank you.  It\'s good to have a place like this.  I just prayed over this forum that it stays pure, and that any lies should be quickly exposed.

[quote:6e90fa0e8f=\"a quote of mine thou\"][quote:6e90fa0e8f]technically impure Bible[/quote:6e90fa0e8f]

There is a difference between the purity of the words and the technical things. For example, the Bible says, in Psalm 119:140, &quot;Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.&quot;

The words must be right. As for rips in the pages of a Bible or something, no one likes blemishes, but they are not going to make the words of the Bible impure.[/quote:6e90fa0e8f]

Oh, I know.  Unfortunately, I was jesting a little bit, which is why I said that I\'m such a perfectionist.  I say &quot;unfortunately&quot; because I let myself disobey Ephesians 5:3-4 [i:6e90fa0e8f][u:6e90fa0e8f]3[/u:6e90fa0e8f] But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; [u:6e90fa0e8f]4][/u:6e90fa0e8f] Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.[/i:6e90fa0e8f]

[quote:6e90fa0e8f=\"and then thou\"]The self pronouncing text is the aim: it has been hard to find or get fonts with those symbols in it, like a dot under the &quot;i&quot; and so on. But I think I have got that solved now.[/quote:6e90fa0e8f]

That\'s exciting.  I imagine some day in the future you\'ll have self-pronouncing red-letter editions in leather with a ribbon too. :)

[quote:6e90fa0e8f][quote:6e90fa0e8f]But I still thank our Holy Father in Heaven for raising up Matthew so I could have a perfect King James Bible.[/quote:6e90fa0e8f]

I am not alone. I believe that God has raised up various people to help and to come into knowledge in this area. I can say that if it wasn\'t for Pastor Craig Savige, I probably wouldn\'t be much of a Christian today. And there are other people who are growing with us.

&quot;For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ&quot; (Ephesians 3:14).[/quote:6e90fa0e8f]

Amen!  Praise the Lord, brother!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('126', 'b4f0f610d3', 'Regarding the What is Preaching? post', 'I\'d like to add Nehemiah 8, especially verse 8.  &quot;So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused [i:b4f0f610d3]them[/i:b4f0f610d3] to understand the reading.&quot;

That\'s all I need to say.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('127', '0c2f3446b9', 'Regarding preaching', 'That\'s right, Timothy.

As the heart (ie. the inner man) is good ground for the Lord, then the sower (the preacher) will be able to sow the seed of God\'s Word. In this way, good fruit will be the result.

&quot;A sower went out to sow his seed&quot; (Luke 8:5a).

&quot;Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.&quot; (Luke 8:11).

&quot;But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.&quot; (Luke 8:15).

Hence, in today\'s Church, a pure Word is absolutely necessary, otherwise things other than good seed can come into people\'s hearts. A pure Word will produce pure fruit, as long as a person\'s heart is kept &quot;honest and good&quot; before God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('128', '9c422d78fd', 'Unicorns', 'There are pictures (carvings and paintings)  from ancient civilisations of unicorns, e.g. Indus Valley, Babylon, the far east, etc. These show an animal about the size of an ox, or just a little smaller, stocky, which shortish legs and longish body. The hoofs are cloven like a goat. I would suggest that the historical evidence tends to show that unicorns the from the Bible were closer to our common image of the unicorn than people may realise.

However, I do not think it was merely a horse with a horn, or a magical fantasy creature.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('129', 'ffe643d908', 'Timothy', 'Timothy, jesting is okay if it is not foolish. For example, Isaac was mucking around in Genesis 26:8.

The aim is to get really well produced Pure Cambridge Editions, and for people to understand and believe the Word of God.

Have a happy Guy Fawkes Day. [img:ffe643d908]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/images/smiles/icon_idea.gif[/img:ffe643d908] up!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('130', 'e726f6ca0f', 'What are the consequences of false religion?', 'False religion means a false word will be presented to people and hence, false beliefs will be adhered to. This can come in many forms but the important thing for people to consider is what is the basis of their beliefs.

How do we know what is true and what is false? Note the following test: &quot;To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [i:e726f6ca0f]it is [/i:e726f6ca0f]because [i:e726f6ca0f]there is [/i:e726f6ca0f]no light in them.&quot; (Isaiah 8:20). Light to walk in pure religion must come from the Word of God - people must believe it and obey it.

&quot;Thy word [i:e726f6ca0f]is [/i:e726f6ca0f]a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.&quot; (Psalm 119:105).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('131', '453149b2be', 'Geba not Gaba at Ezra 2:26', 'In the history of the King James Bible, there is one impurity which remained in editions from 1611 to the time of the Pure Cambridge Edition. That is the word &quot;Gaba&quot; at Ezra 2:26.

It was corrected to &quot;Geba&quot; when the Pure Cambridge Edition was made. Reasons include that the same Hebrew word is elsewhere rendered &quot;Geba&quot; in the King James Bible.

While someone could say that there is almost no other edition of the King James Bible, including none from 1611 to 1769, which have &quot;Geba&quot;. This makes &quot;Geba&quot; the seemingly weakest point of the Pure Cambridge Edition.

There are many reasons why the &quot;Geba&quot; wording is correct.

1. The Bishops\' Bible, which existed prior to the King James Bible, and upon which the KJB is based, had Geba here.

2. The scholarship of the translators of the KJB, and other such scholars indicate that the Hebrew word underlying &quot;Geba&quot; is rendered &quot;Geba&quot; at other places in the KJB, and therefore indicates that &quot;Geba&quot; is correct.

3. That since the PCE is correct at every other point, it must be correct here also.

4. That probably all modern versions since about 1900 have &quot;Geba&quot; at Ezra 2:26. This is entirely providential, namely, that the weight of modernist opinion, of scholars and modern versions, should come down in favour of the PCE rendering in Ezra 2:26. In other words, God knew beforehand that the devilish attack of modern versions would come, yet he allowed them to support &quot;Geba&quot;, so that none of them could justly ever attack the Pure Cambridge Edition on this word.

5. That the Scripture itself indicates that when the book of the Lord was found in the time of King Josiah, that the implementation of the obedience of it was carried out from &quot;Geba to Beer-sheba&quot; (2 Kings 23:8). This means that King Josiah\'s actions are a type of how the Church should be with the &quot;discovery&quot; of the pure Word, and how it should be carried out. Moreover, the mention of &quot;Geba to Beer-sheba&quot; links to the Pure Cambridge Edition rendering of both Joshua 19:2 and Ezra 2:26.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('132', '74473581e6', 'SECOND DRAFT OF &quot;GUIDE TO PCE&quot; BOOK', 'The second draft has been replaced.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('753', 'fd4c60da7b', 'THIRD DRAFT OF &quot;GUIDE TO THE PCE&quot; BOOK', 'THIRD DRAFT OF BOOK AVAILABLE

Download the third draft of the electronic book Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible, by Matthew Verschuur. This dissertation gives a history of the English Bible, and shows how God, by divine providence, brought about a purified text that is perfect to the jot and tittle, prepared for the last days Christian restitution and evangelisation of the world. Contains extensive research and many new insights. Any zealous student of the Bible must read it! The second, partial draft is now available.
PDF (3.47 MB).
http://www.bibleprotector.com/Guide_to_the_PCE_draft_0-3.pdf

[color=red:fd4c60da7b]New to this draft:[/color:fd4c60da7b]
Part Four: A Pure Language and Another Tongue — Bible English and Global English
- The divine purpose for a pure language 
- The preparation of the English language 
- The divine imprint of Bible English 
- The English Bible and literature 
- Standard English and the English Bible 
- Purification and Bible English 
- The destiny of the English Bible 

Also, an appendix has been added on “Critical assessment of Pure Cambridge Edition renderings”

Please read, discuss, and use this thread to provide any feedback (that will be public).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('133', '14dde3a418', 'SECOND DRAFT OF &quot;GUIDE TO PCE&quot; BOOK', 'I have just completed the second draft of my book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible”, which addresses the question, “Which edition of the King James Bible is perfect?”

You can see or download it here:
http://www.bibleprotector.com/Guide_to_the_PCE_draft_0-2.pdf

In the second draft, you will see my Preface, from which you can discern somewhat about myself.

I also outline the argument that the King James Bible has, through understanding God’s providence, God’s special favour, and that six particular factors have combined, they briefly are (though not as yet treated in full detail):

1. The presence of the book of the Lord today. The Word was given, but scattered. The gathering took place, and the King James Bible is the final text and perfect translation of the Word of God in English. Moreover, the King James Bible presentation has been purified, so that we may have the Pure Cambridge Edition. There is a historical lineage of a correct tradition in the editions of the King James Bible which come to pass in process of time to one final standard and correct representative. Thus, we have a word perfect Bible, which is correct to the jot and tittle in every place. See Psalm 12:6, 7, Psalm 119:140, 160, Proverbs 30:5, 6, Isaiah 34:16, Matthew 4:4; 5:18 and 1 Peter 1:23, 25.

2. The true Christian Church has historically been associated with the pure Word, and that true Christians today should stand for the pure Word. See Matthew 28:19, 20, Matthew 24:14, John 17:8, 14, 1 Timothy 3:15 and 1 Peter 1:23, 25

3. God, in His divine providence, has raised up the pure Word to be the final Word for the world, in that the world is now learning English, and it is the global language. See Isaiah 28:11, Zephaniah 3:9 and Revelation 10:11.

4. Nations have been used of God for furthering the truth, and should be used of God. See Matthew 21:43; 24:14; 28:19, 20, Acts 1:8, Romans 16:26 and Revelation 10:11.

5. God has raised up communication and transportation technology just as the printing press was prepared for the Reformation, so that the pure Word should go forth unbound. See Psalm 68:11, Daniel 12:4, Amos 8:11, 12, Matthew 24:14, Colossians 1:5, 6 and Revelation chapter ten.

6. That there must be a harvest, just as was promised at Pentecost, believed by Puritans and looked for today. See Psalm 68:11, Isaiah 18:3; 52:7, Zephaniah 3:9, Zechariah 10:1, Luke 10:2, Acts 2:17, 18, Revelation 10:11, etc.

I know that people like Rick Norris have made these word differences lists between different editions of the King James Bible and so on. As you will see in the Appendices of this draft, there are lists which I have compiled.

Appendix One — Differences between the 1611 Edition and the Pure Cambridge Edition 
Appendix Two — Differences between the 1769 Edition and the Pure Cambridge Edition 
Appendix Three — The case of the letter “s” on the word “spirit” 
Appendix Four — The standard text of the Pure Cambridge Edition 
Appendix Five — Overview diagram of King James Bible editions 

This research has been supplied so that King James Bible people can have the answers.

P.S. The second draft was complete on Guy Fawkes Day, 2007.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('134', '406bb9873c', 'Matthew Verschuur\'s Testimony (From Preface of his book)', 'I have quoted in full the Preface from the second draft of my book, &quot;Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition&quot;.

Preface

Whereas all rights in respect of the Authorized King James Version of the Holy Bible are vested in the Crown in the United Kingdom and controlled by Royal Letters Patent, the Pure Cambridge Edition is maintained and protected in Australasia by the execution of the counsel of God.

When I was a child, the received Bible was the Authorized King James Version. It was still being used by the fundamentalist Christians: the traditional Pentecostal assembly I went to held it as the authority, and the Calvinist school I attended had the motto, “Thy Word is truth”. I was born in 1977 in Geelong, Australia, several days after the death of Australasia’s greatest early Pentecostal, Leo Harris.

However, despite such a rich spiritual heritage being made available to me, all these things were being forsaken because the love of the truth was growing cold. There was a great compromise with the world and false religion, and so understanding seemed to fail. Bible Christianity was apparently on the verge of death.

As I grew up, I became aware that there were many different new versions of the Bible. This seemed to be a great hypocrisy, because if God’s Word was one and true, I wondered how there could be differences between them. The older I became, the more I was inwardly turned from the foolishness of watered down Bible stories and wrong (modernist and Judaist) explanations, and could not connect to the defeatist and hypocritical so called “Christian” culture that surrounded me. All my peers were in rebellion, and I gave heed to them. All the apparent “Christian” influence and education did nothing to retain, let alone strengthen the next generation.

Quite plainly there was no stand being made for the truth. It seemed as if the spirit of Antichrist reigned, usurping and excelling beyond anything the King James Bible had ever been in the Churches throughout Australasia. The corruption of modernism, with its progressive backsliding, had been growing for years in Britain and America, and was infecting even the most ardent fundamentalist. Now theologians were doomed to grasping for an unattainable and imperfect Word. The King James Bible was shunned, and so the Church continued to diminish as all things were turned to drabness and dullness.

On December 17, 1989, another child and I were given “grown up” Bibles as Sunday school graduation gifts at the congregation our parents attended. I assumed that this would be a proper Bible, after all, memory verses had generally been from the King James Bible, but as soon as I began to explore this new book, a deep sense of revulsion took me: I read strange statements about the earliest and most reliable manuscripts, and found verses relegated to the footnotes. Worst of all, I saw that large rules had been placed in the text which denoted passages that were doubted to belong in the Bible. I was very unsettled about this because I knew it was wrong, but I did not know the answer to this.

My parents also had made some statements about the heresy of certain modern Bible versions — which they continued to own and use — such as pointing out that one version omitted references to the blood of Christ, or that the new Greek Text had been altered to suit modern translators who were liberal theologians. My parents owned many of the prominent modern versions which had been commonly available to that time, and obtained more over the years. I was also able to access commentaries and Biblical encyclopædias where I read about early versions and strange apocryphal books.

By the grace of God, my father made me attend what he called “catechism”, that is, a basic Bible study class for adolescents, which was run by Craig Savige. Pastor Savige carried with him the legacy of old time Faith Pentecostal and King James Bible doctrines from the past, and for this he was often slighted.

In February, 1992, I was born again by revelation, and believed that God would forgive my sins, and that I should forgive others also. Christ came into my life that night, and my whole nature changed. Immediately I read John 3:16 from a pure King James Bible, and thought to myself how I now understood it, and wondered how I could have been so blind as to not understand it. Later, I realised that the Pentecostals had been treating the 1990s as the decade of harvest, and had proclaimed that 1992 would be a pivotal time. Although they greatly faltered, I remember that the director of their world missions department told me that I would be used very greatly of the Lord.

Unlike most school students, I was not given a personal New Testament, but upon meeting serveral representatives from a Bible distributation organisation, I asked for one. They gave me a modern version New Testament which had a variety of foreign language translations of a verse in the front pages. This led me to entertain the notion to make my own English Bible translation. My new Bible version was to follow, as strictly as possible, the literal meanings of the Hebrew and Greek words. I looked at the Hebrew and Greek in Young’s Concordance, and was puzzled that the meaning of the original words was different to the English words used in the different translations of the Bible. Also, in an interlinear New Testament, the (supposedly) literal translation of the (new) Greek text did not match with the modern English version set in parallel to it. I thought of comparing several different English versions together to get the best meaning, but I gave up, thinking the whole thing useless.

In August, 1992, I was baptised in water, and Pastor Savige gave me my first King James Bible, which I read much more than any other book. The following week Pastor Savige had me baptised in the Holy Ghost. As I learned about Christianity through the teaching and spiritual mentorship of Pastor Savige, I found that there were great issues involved in the Bible version debate. He showed me a presentation which highlighted the defectiveness of modern versions, and that the King James Bible was the superior Bible version. He also gave me books to read, which effectively answered all my questioning and the doubt that had arisen concerning my discontent of modern versions.

I became aware that the King James Bible I was using was quite contemporary in presentation, and did not use italic type. Pastor Savige, who was a Bible study leader at that time, said that I should have a “proper Bible” and gave me a second-hand American King James Bible. I also received a New Testament for completing a Christian Foundations Course, which I read on the school bus and later at Army camps, until it fell to pieces. I noticed one thing of question: the use of italics and punctuation around the word “but” in 1 John 2:23 which differed in various King James Bibles. I asked Pastor Savige, who supposed what the correct form was, which we also confirmed afterwards to be correct.

Pastor Savige also introduced me to Faith Pentecostalism, and as I began to receive this teaching, it seemed to me that I had a calling on my life to teach the Bible. The Faith Pentecostal preachers, whom I came to respect, were in the habit of verbally modernising the King James Bible text with contemporary expressions, and constantly “correcting” its translation. I then entertained the idea of turning the King James Bible into modern speech, and thought that I would call this new version, “The Textus Receptus in Modern English”.

I always had an interest in reading, and I studied writing and editing in 1997 and 1999. Although I learnt somewhat to do with English, there was also much impropriety, and an attack on the English language by the mischievous claim that there were “no set rules”. I also attended a supposedly Pentecostal Bible College in 1998 and 1999, where I used the King James Bible, which was strongly degraded by the leaders and attendees. In that time Pastor Savige brought to my attention the doctrine of Bible prophecy being fulfilled in Church history.

Pastor Savige began to look again at the issues surrounding the King James Bible, especially by the advent of general internet access. One day in 1999, after reading and hearing more on the issue, I came to understand, in a moment of revelation, that the King James Bible was the word perfect Word of God in English which needed no updating or revising. This happened when Pastor Savige was speaking to me as we were driving by three historical murals painted on a wall in Malop Street, Geelong. Not long before that time, Pastor Savige had also given me a newly updated King James Version, which we then understood to be deficient, and so that book was given away.

I read a work on the subject by Pastor Savige called The King James Bible Connection, then in its draft form. Pastor Savige gave me more in-depth books on the King James Bible debate, and so I decided to write a short essay called The Dilemma of Modern Versions (December, 1999), which Pastor Savige said had grasped the subject very well. Afterwards, we knew it to contain many imperfect statements, and presented but an infant step. For example, there was an improper understanding, such as the denial of the Septuagint, the rejection of the Vulgate and the lack of knowledge of what the Traditional Text, Majority Text and the Textus Receptus actually were. Nevertheless, this essay contained some insight, “The AV was completed in 1611, from which time we have had the perfect Word of God in English, which needed no revision ... The men involved with the translation of the AV state in their Epistle Dedicatory that, ‘there should be one more exact Translation of the holy Scriptures into the English Tongue ... by the mercy of God’”.

In May 2000, Pastor Savige, the helpful Mrs Samantha Savige and myself were in the planning stages of the establishment of a new Church, which would link back to traditional Pentecostalism and a Puritan view of the Bible. In the weeks before this time, I had noticed that the case of the word “spirit” in Strong’s Concordance did not match up with the modern reference King James Bible I had received for my twenty-first birthday. I also noticed that this Bible used American spellings. I did not think it was too important, but it came to our notice at a church pioneering planning meeting, where Pastor Savige was using 2 Timothy 3:15–17 to show that we should have the doctrine to use only the King James Bible. He read, “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:15–17). I asked him why he had read the word “throughly” in verse seventeen when the (Americanised) Bible I was reading said “thoroughly”. It was at this very moment that this area was opened up to us. Pastor Savige said that he had seen a website which stated that some King James Bibles had been subtly altered. He also took it as a sign that we must find out about this area, and make sure that we all used the correct text.

I was immediately stirred up about this, and began to search for information on it, especially on the internet at the university where I worked. Other than the “subtle changes” page, I found very little, though over the weeks, I collected what information I could find, so that by August 2000, I had compiled a small list of differences between King James Bible editions. It stated, “The criteria for the assessment of the correct reading of the King James Version to be in line with the 1611 (1769) text, to the most perfect form of the Holy Bible in English. This list is not comprehensive or exhaustive, but should provide the necessary guidelines for the most perfect form of the Holy Bible in English.” In examining this, we became aware that major problems and dangers existed in the area of King James Bible textual impurity. It had become apparent that it was necessary to discover the standard text of the King James Bible, only the sources of information on the subject within the King James Bible Only Movement were inadequate, confused and often in error.

I did not know which edition of the King James Bible was the perfect one, but I expected that there was one. By faith we expected to find the answer, but no one, not even the greatest experts, seemed to know anything about it. It was generally stated that the Cambridge Edition was correct, and so I bought an expensive one (concord wide margin). Pastor Savige was using a Collins Edition with references, which he had since he was a young Christian. He said that he had always yearned for a perfect book, and that he recognised that the Bible that he was using was correct, and had been supplied providentially by God, given to him as a special gift.

I thought my Cambridge Edition was correct, but when I examined the case of the letter “s” on the word “spirit” at various places, I discovered that in 1 John 5:8 my Cambridge book differed from Pastor Savige’s Collins Bible. I then inquired concerning this area, and wrote to various King James Bible experts about it. One said, “follow Scrivener” (see below), another said, “it is up to the interpreter”, another said, “probably capital”, another said to effect, “both are correct concurrently”, and yet another, a textual critic and Cambridge King James Bible editor, plainly said, “there is no ‘correct’ edition”. I was unsettled on the matter for a while.

Samantha Savige also supplied me with the differences in the case of the letter “s” on the word “spirit” in Acts chapter eleven. Because I worked at a university, I was able to examine the old Bibles in their special collection. These showed me that the historical evidence for the word “spirit” agreed with Pastor Savige’s Collins Bible, including that older Cambridge Bibles all had the lowercase rendering. I then understood that since the Collins and older Cambridge Bibles contained the correct text in every other place, that the lowercase “spirit” must also be correct. On April 4, 2001, I then stated to the Elders of Victory Faith Centre a case in favour of this, which was when I fully recognised the correct edition. I then came to understand the meaning of the word “spirit” with a lowercase “s”, and its connection to proper Pentecostal doctrine, namely, that the Spirit is to work in the human spirit (such as Christian sanctification and the impartation of knowledge), as well as His Pentecostal filling of it.

Around this time Pastor Savige said that he had been prompted of the Lord to have me learn about the historical Christian hero, Oliver Cromwell.

By the end of April 2001, I had written an initial short treatise on The Changes Within the Authorized King James Version of the Holy Bible and the Defence of the Pure Edition. It was God, who by His divine providence, led me to believe and now promote the exact right text of the King James Bible, which we came to call, “The Pure Cambridge Edition”. It took months to clarify the authority of this text of the King James Bible and to understand its history. I researched and built up a position, gathered proofs, wrote short exploratory works and consolidated my thinking in discussions and letters with Pastor Savige. We saw the necessity of the promulgation of this message, and we spoke of producing a work on this subject on May 1, 2002: “Since we are in a position where the pure Bible is available to us, and have the added hindsight of Scrivener, Hills and others, the body of information available to us is enough for us to present a major work on the standard English Bible. When I say this, I do not mean a work on the KJB in general, but rather, in that highly important area of ‘Which KJB is the right one? — Dissertation on a word perfect KJB’.” Pastor Savige replied, “I agree that we should do a major work on the standard English Bible. I accept this as a project that is applicable to our mission.”

In the last months of 2002 I began to write this work. What I aimed to do was to show the history of the Scripture to the King James Bible, and then the history of the King James Bible, leading to the Pure Cambridge Edition. I especially wanted to show that the Pure Cambridge Edition was supreme and exactly correct. Information concerning this history or study was progressively more rare to find, because while there was much said about the King James Bible of 1611, little was said concerning the Edition of 1769, and almost nothing said about textual history of the Bible since that time. It is sad to say, but most of the King James Bible supporters in America were generally unreliable sources, and it was therefore good that several secular histories of the King James Bible became available. It was not by chance that a new book on the textual history of the King James Bible was prepared for Cambridge University Press around the same time. But a good deal of study and recovery of doctrine had to be pioneered by myself.

Initially, my aim was to show that there was one standard Bible for the world in English. I wanted to answer the question which had been used craftily by mockers, asking, “Which historical King James Bible edition is the correct one to use? After all, as modern scholars know, there is no such thing as an agreed and consistent text of the King James Bible. A real definitive edition has never existed!” Anyone who had done any research on this area would have relied on Frederick H. A. Scrivener’s useful (but thoroughly unbelieving) work, The Authorized Edition of the English Bible (1611), Its Subsequent Reprints and Modern Representations (1884, Cambridge). Scrivener described the textual history of various historical editions of the King James Bible. On page three he wrote, “Most readers will be aware that numberless and not inconsiderable departures from the original or standard edition of the Authorized Translation as published in 1611, are to be found in the modern Bibles which issue from the press by thousands every year. Some of these differences must be imputed to oversight and negligence, from which no work of man can be entirely free; but much the greater part of them are deliberate changes, introduced silently and without authority by men whose very names are often unknown.” The unbeliever would quickly use this as ammunition against the King James Bible, while any person wanting to believe God’s Word would be perplexed and confounded.

Scrivener had catalogued in great detail the textual history of the King James Bible, because he thought that the King James Bible would be superseded by the Revised Version. Yet, although the Revised Version failed, the authority of the King James Bible had been significantly eroded. Scrivener’s main deceptive contention really was that the King James Bible (in its host of editions) is highly inconsistent and lacks uniformity, and therefore should be replaced. This line of thinking admits that there is no standard edition, and allows for increased production of newer and newer editions or even versions which wax worse and worse. This is why Edward Hills wrote on page 230 of Defending the King James Version, “Since his [i.e. Scrivener’s] time, however, comparatively little research has been done on the [textual] history of the King James Version, due probably to loss of interest on the subject.” The loss of interest was the direct result of the forsaking of the love of the King James Bible because people accepted the false doctrine of its defectiveness.

I found that many Bible verses were relevant to the whole endeavour of establishing that there was indeed a correct edition. I also found that the same verses which were used by pro-King James Bible people applied specifically to the advent of a standard edition. For example, “The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.” (Psalm 68:11). I understood that we must thank God for the labours of many, who ultimately contributed to the Pure Cambridge Edition, some of whom are named in this work: whether prophets or apostles, Church Fathers, Reformers, Missionary Revivalists or other saints. Again, I understood that the prophecy of Amos had also been fulfilled: “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.” (Amos 8:11, 12). I obtained old copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition from various second-hand book dealers. The authentic standard publications were printed by Cambridge University Press, and by Collins and affiliated publishers. Of the old printed books, the most recommended ones are pronouncing with references. “Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read” (Isaiah 34:16a). “Thy words were found” (Jeremiah 15:16a). And so likewise did I find many other relevant prophetic verses.

It became very clear to me that the prosecution of the war concerning the Word of God by genuine Christians was not being waged so wholly on Biblical principles, but was mainly concerned with fighting over the same ground in regard to modern versions, and often adopted the very premises of thinking that were foundational to the modernists’ arguments. Therefore, it has been my intention in writing to move the King James Bible debate on, and away from the misguided zeal and extremism of certain King James Bible only supporters and their ignorance on the editions issue. The Scripture could even apply to them, “The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes” (Matthew 21:42b). The King James Bible adherents were builders. “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee” (Hosea 4:6a). Since they rejected the true doctrine of the baptism of the Holy Ghost, it was not they who received the revelation of the pure edition of the Word, that is, the Rock. Jesus said, “Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock” (Matthew 7:24). Many Born Again Fundamentalists had rejected nothing less than Christ’s words concerning receiving the Spirit and the sign of tongues.

The Holy Ghost had indeed worked to gather together the pure Word. The words outlining this doctrine should, by God’s grace, form an expeditionary army of a new model, which would either persuade or repel present King James Bible proponents. There must be a move away from petty name calling, unscholarly works and fearfulness of Jesuit powers, into a clear and true understanding of God’s Word in English, and the consequences of establishing the Word to consume the power of the Antichrist false “Word”. Instead of thinking in terms of pervading worldliness and apostasy, Christians must think in terms of the prevailing Word, that is a day star in comparison to the world, a city on a hill which cannot be hid. In doing this we must guard against those who would think to overthrow Bible-ordered tradition to construct a tyrannical rule upon the Earth.

The Bible needs to be interpreted correctly, that is, according to God’s interpretation. Since God is powerful enough to keep His Word, He would also be powerful enough to ensure that the exact correct meaning was conveyed to the last days reader. There would be no more need to resort to the mysteries of the original languages. Neither would man’s sin or weakness stand in the way of God’s work. In fact, God’s power and divine providence overrides all things — even man’s free will is entirely subject to God’s foreknowledge, and man’s actions are accounted for in God’s plan. I did not understand this until I looked into the history of English Protestantism and the King James Bible. In the light of prophecy teaching by Pastor Savige, I saw that nothing, whether the advances in printing, or the advent of general internet access, was an accident in God’s scheme of things. I could now see why God had favoured the nations that had been historically connected to the King James Bible. Britain and the United States were raised up by God with purposes directly relating to the latter day exaltation of the Word and Church Restitution. Neither was it an accident that the teachings of the Faith Pentecostal Movement and the King James Bible Fundamentalists and other true doctrines were being gathered together in Australia. And even though nations and ministries may fall away, there would be a continuing progress of Christian thought in Australasia. In fact, we must expect that the whole line of wrong thinking, apostasy, modernism and lukewarmness must be exposed: “But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.” (2 Timothy 3:9).

It took some time to fully grasp in my mind the idea that even one change in the English, as small as changing the word order of a sentence, was enough to bring the Bible away from exactly what God wanted to say. I realised that any change actually changed an idea, and that the purity of the Word was directly related to the exact concepts that God wanted to represent. I understood this to be the fruition of what J. W. Burgon wrote in Inspiration and Interpretation, where he spoke of even the letters of the Word of God being important. (The same time I understood this, my residence was struck by lightning, Islamist bombers killed many Australians at once, and it was my birthday.) Burgon also wrote, “At the root of the whole mischief of these last days lies disbelief in the Bible as the Word of GOD.” (page xvii). “The preacher must take up the question at some definite stage, and arrest the false teachers there. ‘That wicked,’ ... (2 Thess. ii. 8,) — must be bound, hand and foot, somewhere in his career of lawlessness; ... the threshold of the Bible has been chosen as the place for the conflict. My life for his live. I will slay or be slain on the very portal of Holy Scripture.” (page xxii). “But (thank GOD!) Englishmen yet love their Bible [in 1861]” (page xix).

On April 28, 2004, I went to the State Library of Victoria, and happened to find two books connecting the English Bible and the Puritan Commonwealth in the Redmond Barry Reading Room. It was a rush as things came together in my mind. I realised that the exaltation of the Bible had led to the greatest triumph of Christianity in English history. This history was our heritage in Australia. I immediately saw that there were a lot of fallacies that had been taught to me during my upbringing. One lie was that it was wrong for religion, especially for only one religion, to be dominant in the country. Along with this was a clear disrespect of Australia’s true historical accomplishments, and a disregard of our heritage. All my life I had yearned for patriotism, yet had carried an aversion to being surrounded by a culture of deference to wrong social trends and false religion. But now I saw clearly that Oliver Cromwell, far from being the hot-headed follower of the Geneva Version, was the patron of the continuation of the 1638 Edition of the King James Bible. There were at his time extremists who wanted to at least revise the King James Bible and even wished to make a whole new translation. Yet, despite all this, God was able to preserve and maintain His providentially chosen Word, so that it would continue, be purified, and ultimately be made available for the latter days. Thus, around the year 2000 in Australasia, the seed had been well sown, for libraries, church buildings and homes here and there still had pure King James Bibles.

It was due to the strong Christian influence in British government that there was such a strong Christian presence in English culture, and as a consequence, Australia’s nationhood. I saw that it was part of the same chain of events of God’s providence — our heritage and destiny — that the Pure Cambridge Edition should be declared. It was God who made me see it, even at that moment, “But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.” (Romans 10:20). I wondered that some unknown person sitting in a magnificent library hall in Melbourne, on the other side of the world, surrounded by Asian students, could see what declaring the Pure Cambridge Edition would do in the nation. “Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.” (Matthew 21:42, 43).

We must be people who claim our undoubted right to the Word of God, and its exaltation in Australia, New Zealand and the islands of the South Pacific. We must trust that God (in his mercy and grace among the Gentiles) is advancing us beyond the threshold into the very centre of the promises and prophecies, by the refreshment of the Church Remnant, and by the raising up of Christian governance. We must view the King James Bible, not merely as the history of Israel and the early Church, but as our book, and to its prevailing by us in multitudes of peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

The evidence of God’s hand in the making of the King James Bible, and the judgment on Antichrist power was manifest in the thwarted Gunpowder Plot. On November 5, 1605, a conspiracy of Roman Catholics to blow up the government of England was exposed. Not only was King James and the Parliament saved, but also the lives of those translators who were members of the House of Lords. The master plan of the Jesuits was to put a new government into place in England, which would have brought the translation of the King James Bible to an immediate end. One of the translators, Lancelot Andrewes, said that this day was “ours”, that it was a day of God’s making, that what was done was the Lord’s doing, and that it was to be held in perpetual memory throughout all generations. It was something to remember even four hundred years later, that true Christianity was triumphing over everything that opposed it.

It has not been a coincidence that this work, and these revelations have been formed specifically in Australia, which has been a national vessel for the preserving of the Church and the Word as was once supreme in England. “Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off” (Jeremiah 31:10a). There have been many signs of this, including the 400 year anniversary of the Gunpowder Plot, where history repeated itself in thwarting Islamist terrorists in Australia. The Reformers and Puritans believed that through time, God restored truth. Thus, it was only in these last days that God restored truth regarding the knowledge of His pure Word. Therefore, we and our Bible are God’s special interest, and the righteous seed must grow into a flourishing Biblical nationalism. We can surely see that the latter day glory of the Church is at hand — the Holy Ghost’s present working ensures it. We must acknowledge that the specific works of God’s providence in history are for great purposes, namely, the empowering of the present Christian remnant, the conversion of the Jews, the calling out of prisoners of false religions and the general evangelisation of the nations. The Word of God has foretold of the revelation of God, “So will I make my holy name known ... and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.” (Ezekiel 39:7). Christ came, died and rose again, for the purpose that many should live, and be blessed in the time of great revival and Church Restitution.

It was always my intention, ever since the beginning of the writing of this work, to publish the Pure Cambridge Edition. “Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not” (Jeremiah 50:2a). For a long time I thought in terms of merely printing books. To this end, I had created an digital electronic text based on a Cambridge text, and had compared it with other files, to get it as correct as possible. The writing of this work and the making of the correct text of the King James Bible went together. By this way my investigations into one contributed to the other, so that I was inquiring of the very jots and tittles, for example, the typeface of the “s” at the end of “LORD’s”, or when to use italic punctuation after italic words, and other such fine points.

In November 2005, it became apparent that there must be a settling of a difference found in Collins editions as opposed to Cambridge printed Bibles of the Pure Cambridge Edition, that is, at 1 Chronicles 14:10 where Collins capitalised the “a” of “And wilt thou”. In addressing this particular issue, I understood that while there were differences between all representations of the Pure Cambridge Edition, none was necessarily definitive, neither was there one that I could be sure was free from typographical errors. I saw that the Scripture indicated, and that it was in line with God’s nature, that there should be a definitive and scrupulously correct representation. Therefore, I reasoned that such a text would have to be resolved, and that it would be commendable to create it in an electronic text which would be able to be disseminated abroad and become a universal standard.

The providence of God was apparent to me even when the electronic text was freed from data errors. The final fault was eliminated at Ezekiel 12:23b, which states, “The days are at hand, and the effect of every vision.” It was lunchtime on December 5, 2005, and at the very same moment, a groundswell of anti-Islamist sentiment was being expressed in Australia.

At the turn of the year from end of December 2005, the Elders of Victory Faith Centre recognised that we were the Guardians of the Pure Cambridge Edition. In July, 2006, the electronic file was finalised and formatted in preparation for its publishing on the internet. A particularly beneficial meeting concerning the definitive text and resolving any differences found in various presentations of the Pure Cambridge Edition was held on Sunday, July 9, 2006, where Pastor Craig Savige said that since the traditional maintainers of the King James Bible text had now gone astray, that we must take up the responsibility of continuing it. At the very same time, various troubles were manifesting themselves against the Islamic cause, including a war in Israel and an earthquake.

The Church cannot enter into another Dark Age. Like that Cambridge champion, Oliver Cromwell, I may say, “I am one of those whose heart God hath drawn out to wait for some extraordinary dispensations, according to those promises that He hath held forth of things to be accomplished in the later times, and I cannot but think that God is beginning of them.” There is nothing that can halt the progress of the Word of God. The Church, the members of the body of Christ, are those whom God uses to preach the Word. God has his vessels for carrying out the divine mandate, knowing that the Church in action is God’s present means of action in the Earth. It is the Lord “That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers” (Isaiah 44:26a). The success of Christian things is related to the exaltation of the King James Bible. There must be those who are willing to do the things which are necessary for the prevailing Christianity the Bible predicts should precede the Church’s translation. God’s promise is for a period of great blessing, “when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you” (Acts 3:20b, 21). “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” (Matthew 24:14). I can say, “Surely, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength.” (see Isaiah 45:24). “My hands also will I lift up unto thy commandments, which I have loved” (Psalm 119:48a).

I am sure that it is God’s grace alone that has wonderfully brought me into these revelations. “Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.” (Matthew 13:52). The King James Bible is the old treasure, and the new treasure is that the King James Bible is to be reinstated, namely, the acknowledging of the Pure Cambridge Edition. “Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?” (Proverbs 22:20, 21). The Lord has revealed much. “Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.” (2 Corinthians 2:14). I expect that the revelation to become well known, most particularly in Australasia. “The isles saw it, and feared; the ends of the earth were afraid, drew near, and came.” (Isaiah 41:5).

I have seen so many other relevant providences and understood many other related Scripture portions, that it cannot be anything less but preparation for the latter day outpouring of the Spirit as prophesied by all the prophets. And it all is gathering together, according to the work of the Spirit, for a single unified Christianity, which is standing for one common, standard and precise Bible. Most especially, there is a vast difference between the disciplined adherence to the truth and the Babylonian doctrine of the spirit of antichrist which is against a pure and perfect Bible. And there is a national difference between those who are of right knowledge, and those who form a confederacy to fight for selfishness and error.

Though the cause of truth may falter in England and America, truth itself cannot fail. God causes true knowledge to march forward, and to pervade the world. All that is necessary has been bequeathed to us, that at the last, it may be we — perhaps being nationally, ecclesiastically and individually despised, foolish, weak and as nothing — who must rely so totally on God in His bringing us to the strange and dreadful manifestation of our victory. To this end, we must hold fast our faith, for at the due time, a great and terrible consummation must come upon both our natural and our religious enemies, most drastically in the natural, but most especially in the spiritual, in our triumphant conversion of multitudes of Jews and whole nations, languages and leaders to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

We expect the blessed Jehovah, whose particular name we stand for, to stir Himself and to render certain recompence. And that we should experience days of blessing when the unheard of should happen, “and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.” (Isaiah 45:14b).

	Matthew Verschuur
	Geelong, Australia');
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This position upholds the view that God is powerful and almighty to the extent that He is able to preserve His Word throughout history, despite the presence of sin, fallen man, rebellion and devils. What a wonderful faith position this is!

&quot;And all the inhabitants of the earth [i:8215d2e33e]are [/i:8215d2e33e]reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and [i:8215d2e33e]among [/i:8215d2e33e]the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?&quot; (Daniel 4:35).

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&quot;Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?&quot; (Proverbs 22:20, 21).');
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This is a wrong view.

“IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1).

Note the capital “W”. This means “Word” is a title of a person. A title is a name, describing their function. It is not saying Jesus is the Bible, it is saying that He upholds, presents and is Lord of the Bible.

“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14).

While we know there are verses which say that the Scripture of the Old Testament were manifested in the New Testament, this is talking about Christ coming, not saying that the Bible came as a person.

But look at John 19:28, Luke 24:25-27, 44 and Acts 3:18, 24. The written word foretold of Christ, but Christ was not the Bible in “human form”.

The Bible is limited. It has limited revelation in it. It does not have all information or all knowledge or all things that God knows. That is why the BIBLE CANNOT EQUAL CHRIST.

So, Hebrews 4:12 says, “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” This is talking about the Bible, the Word of God, not Christ.

In the descriptions of Jesus, you will note that he SPEAKS the Word, or has a sword coming out of His mouth. Jesus cannot be the same as the Word if the Word is a function or only a part of Him (e.g. His mouth). That is like saying that Jerusalem is all of Israel. No, Jerusalem is in Israel, but they are not the same. So is the Word of God in relation to Christ.

Yet, the Word of God is so important, that God has exalted it above His name.

So, the Word of God is God’s sufficient revelation for mankind, and is related to the period of time from the start to the end of the world. It is the power which frames the worlds, and upholds all things, but it is not the same as God Himself, just His primary tool.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('139', '543ca505e3', 'Word and word', 'Thanks Matthew, 

You are right, the Bible is not [i:543ca505e3]literally[/i:543ca505e3] Jesus Christ. That is, the Bible is not Christ literally in written form. The correct way to look at this is that the Bible reveals God\'s will, and that He backs His Word (the Bible) with His power. You can trust everything the Bible says, and have utmost faith in His Word. It is completely true and He is completely faithful to fulfil His promises.

&quot;Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.&quot; (John 17:17)

&quot;And, behold, this day I [i:543ca505e3]am[/i:543ca505e3] going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, [i:543ca505e3]and[/i:543ca505e3] not one thing hath failed thereof.&quot; (Joshua 23:14).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('140', '8b3cbd0c83', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'Biblical preaching is a blessed and welcome thing to people who have a genuine desire to hear the truth. It equips people to fight the good fight of faith, and encourages people to achieve victory in their lives. Therefore, the Word of God is paramount in Biblical preaching.

&quot;How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!&quot; (Isaiah 52:7).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('141', '9136151c00', 'Women in Ministry', '[quote:9136151c00]God places women in positions of leadership, influence and authority, as He did for Esther.[/quote:9136151c00]
This same thing God can do today if only women will be open to His ways. Of course, God wants the whole of the Body of Christ - the Church - to be operating to its maximum capacity; hence, every member of the Body of Christ must be open to His leading.

&quot;But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.&quot; (1 Corinthians 12:18). Yes, &quot;every one of them&quot; includes both men and women to do as He pleases.

&quot;Then Peter opened [i:9136151c00]his [/i:9136151c00]mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons&quot; (Acts 10:34).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('142', '8023430ebe', 'Re: Word and word', '[quote:8023430ebe=\"bibleprotector\"]So, Hebrews 4:12 says, “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” This is talking about the Bible, the Word of God, not Christ.
[/quote:8023430ebe]

So, then I have a question.  When I read from verse 13 on to the end, I am left with the impression that &quot;the word&quot; in Hebrews 4:12 is referring to the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, because 13 starts with &quot;For&quot;.  And yes, I am well aware that it\'s just &quot;[u:8023430ebe]w[/u:8023430ebe]ord&quot;.  I don\'t care about this one at all.  I can see right through it.  But to understand the Bible, I look at the context (for if I want to understand it the way God intended, I must be a slave to context, and accept that certain things might be inconsistent on purpose).  I must look at what it\'s saying to me.  I must look at the message it is conveying given the context clues (reading comprehension 101, I believe).     I mean, don\'t you think it\'s possible that God allowed it to be &quot;word&quot; to trip people up?  Don\'t you think that it\'s just another boobytrap?  The Bible is quite rigged; Therefore, the reader must be MUCH more careful than they think they should be.  Yeah, even those who think they are TOO careful.  We must be a slave to context when reading and understanding the Bible.  Remember reading comprehension in school?

So anyway, I found this short article: http://www.LetGodBeTrue.com/questions/hebrews4-12.htm

As of right now, I believe www.LetGodBeTrue.com has the truth because they\'re more interested in giving the glory to the Lord Jesus Christ instead of the Bible, and thus my spirit rejoiceth!  And giving Him all the glory is what Christians do.  And I literally mean ALL of it.  Not some of it.  Not 99.999999% of it.  But 100% of it.  All of it.  He deserves it.  Let the Lord be magnified!

John 5:39  [i:8023430ebe]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[/i:8023430ebe]

Somebody once told me, &quot;who cares if I said [i:8023430ebe]there\'s[/i:8023430ebe] when the correct usage is [i:8023430ebe]there ARE[/i:8023430ebe]?  Did I not correctly convey to you what I meant through the use of your understanding given the context of the conversation?&quot;  I hung my head, and quietly replied, &quot;Yes...&quot;.  Yeah, I\'m a stickler for that stuff.  But in this case, I\'m using the lesson I learned and I go &quot;Thank you, Lord.  I understand!&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('143', '92364f486b', '', 'Interpretation of Scripture by context can be twisted, but people will get it right if they hear the Spirit and also believe godly teachers.

The Bible talks about the word of God in Hebrews 4:12 as a mechanical thing, that is, the words believed, spoken and acted upon. However, we see that in the same verse it says, &quot;and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.&quot; This is talking about the word, but connects to us that someone is behind it, that is, God. The next verse, Hebrews 4:13, shows that God is behind the Word, &quot;Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.&quot;

We could not say that the spoken word of God is the same as God, but we must see that Jesus is the one behind the word, He is empowering it, watching over it, and so His name is The Word.

As for the &quot;LetGodBeTrue&quot; Baptist website, it has some good information on it.

As for exalting &quot;Jesus&quot;, there are people around who can claim to 
and seem to be of &quot;Jesus&quot;, yet alien, deceived or wolves, &quot;For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.&quot; (2 Corinthians 11:4).

Let us look to the Spirit, and realise that He does use people in the Church to teach, instruct and help us become strong in true knowledge.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('144', '562eedf10e', 'What is Biblical preaching?', '&quot;And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.&quot; (Jeremiah 3:15). God\'s ministers - and especially pastors - are to feed the flock of God. This must be through godly preaching and teaching of the Word of God. To give the people of God that which does not build them up in God is to give them weakness. Thus, the preacher must preach the Word in order to feed people.

&quot;But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.&quot; (Matthew 4:4). The Word of God is spiritual food for the heart of man. The Word produces faith (see Romans 10:17) and builds up people to be ready for labouring in the Kingdom of God. Every word counts, so a pure Word is necessary in order to make sure that impurity and error does not come in.

&quot;Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.&quot; (Acts 20:28). The overseers or elders of the Church must feed the flock of God. Such people are placed in the Church by the Holy Ghost Himself.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('145', '789b6e15dc', 'Pure Cambridge Teachers Edition', 'Just received a Pure Cambridge edition.
It includes a Concordance,maps,Pronunciation table,Centre column Reference, a Bible dictionary which is the truncated form of the Cambridge Companion to the Bible.
Date published:
30 D 50
Reads and Joseph
and wilt
Am-min\'-a-dib  All marks appear to be the same size.
E-li, E-li, la-ma sa
bach\'-tha-ni?
Tal\'-tha cu\'-mi;
Eph\'-pha-tha,
E\'-lo-i, E\'lo-i, la\'ma sa-bach\'-
tha-ni?

I cannot remember what was considered simply a variation with the marks.All of the words had a short Hyphen in all spots.I believe that if there was a longer Hyphen that that would distinguish between two words in the word? And not just sylabic sounds.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('146', '3e44fc1097', 'Dates', 'I thought it quite special that God is even  the orchestrator in the dates as well.
Starting time of the Work? Australia day
Finishing date? Guy Fawkes day
That speaks volumes all in itself.
*******
April 10th was a day for me to remember.
That was the day that is signed on my Graduation Certificate from Jubilee Bible College. It is also the day that my wife and I got married.
It is also the day that our church has written in stone on the entrance.The very day and year of my graduation April 19/88.
April 10th is also the date I have when I passed my Piano Tuners technician course with first class honours.

I am sure that the LORD has his own list, both for and about us, as well as for himself. Even though to him he sees the beginning from the end and the end from the beginning, all at the same time, which kind of boggles my mind. Just like eternity.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('147', '1957cb29e3', 'Confusing Sentence', '[quote:1957cb29e3]I do not agree with the claim that there is no standard or that any edition of the King James Bible is sufficient. On the other side, those who have said, “The 1769 Edition”, or “The Cambridge Edition” have been too vague. Plainly, there have been changes in all editions since 1769, and there are variations in Cambridge Bibles, such as the Victorian text (circa 1830 to circa 1900), the Pure Cambridge Edition (circa 1900 to circa 1970s) which is also printed in many Collins editions, and the Concord text (circa 1970s to circa 2000). Besides these, other modernised variations appear in Bibles printed in America under the name of Cambridge.[/quote:1957cb29e3]
Maybe to number them?
1]Victorian
2]Pure Cambridge
3]Collins
4]Concord
When you use the words &quot;which is&quot; it made me seem that they were the same edition and not a separate work. That was when I first read the work several months ago, that is. I remember being confused slightly by the wording.
Wow! over 330 pages! A workaholic or what?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('148', '05bb0b58c5', 'Good to hear of your life\'s walk.', 'My life for his live.
Bottom of paragraph 2 page 13.
Wow! Your place was hit by lightning?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('149', 'ef701e4f1a', 'Guy Fawkes Day', 'My 1726 Oxford edition of the Anglican\'s Bible has a couple pages dedicated to this very day amongst other special days.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('150', '5431e0b76d', 'Pure Cambridge Teachers Edition', 'Am-min\'-a-dib is correct.

Amminadib is correct.

Ammi-nadib is incorrect.

The saying of Christ on the cross is impure if in small capitals.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('151', '1483789c88', '', 'Peter,

To clarify. Somewhere you said that I used to live in Victoria. In fact, in Australia, Victoria is the name of a state (just like B.C.) not a city. Therefore, I have always lived in Victoria.

[quote:1483789c88]I thought it quite special that God is even the orchestrator in the dates as well.[/quote:1483789c88]

There is something to it, but I think it better not to make too much about it.

[quote:1483789c88]Starting time of the Work? Australia day [/quote:1483789c88]

That is, the website, not the writing.

[quote:1483789c88]Finishing date? Guy Fawkes day[/quote:1483789c88] 

That is, the second draft only, not the whole work.

I will now explain the following quote of mine:

[quote:1483789c88]I do not agree with the claim that there is no standard or that any edition of the King James Bible is sufficient. On the other side, those who have said, “The 1769 Edition”, or “The Cambridge Edition” have been too vague. Plainly, there have been changes in all editions since 1769, and there are variations in Cambridge Bibles, such as the Victorian text (circa 1830 to circa 1900), the Pure Cambridge Edition (circa 1900 to circa 1970s) which is also printed in many Collins editions, and the Concord text (circa 1970s to circa 2000). Besides these, other modernised variations appear in Bibles printed in America under the name of Cambridge. [/quote:1483789c88]

Peter said,

[quote:1483789c88]When you use the words &quot;which is&quot; it made me seem that they were the same edition and not a separate work.[/quote:1483789c88]

Actually, that is what I am saying, the Collins Edition agreeing with the Cambridge, that is, that the Collins has been presenting the Pure Cambridge Edition.

Here is the lineage:

1. 1769 Edition Oxford
2. by early 1800s, Oxfords and Londons agree, and have eliminated errata from 1769
3. 1817 edit by D\'Oyly and Mant, Oxford, later followed by London also
4. 1835 Cambridge adopts Oxford edition, but retains Cambridge spellings, through the &quot;Victorian Era&quot; from 1835 to circa 1900.
5. Scrivener\'s Cambridge edition, a sidetrack, 1873
6. circa 1900 Pure Cambridge Edition, printed by Cambridge in most impressions from about 1900 to the 1970s (at least), and also by Collins in a similar period to about 2000.
7. Cambridge Concord Edition edition appears in about 1970s, which turns back to Oxford renderings
8. Cambridge Standard Text edition appears in about 1993, which turns back to late London (Eyre and Spottiswoode) renderings, which have almost American-like alterations in spelling
9. Norton\'s Cambridge edit, another sidetrack, appears about 2005

[quote:1483789c88]Wow! over 330 pages! A workaholic or what?[/quote:1483789c88]

There is more on hand and to be written.

[quote:1483789c88]Wow! Your place was hit by lightning?[/quote:1483789c88]

I don\'t live at that place any more, and it has been demolished now.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('153', 'fc9371e548', 'KJBOs and the Cambridge Edition', 'Several years ago, I saw an article on the Touchet Baptist website called &quot;Subtle changes in the KJB&quot;. I have a print out, but I can\'t find it on the internet any more.

However, this &quot;Subtle changes&quot; article has been superceeded by an article by Nic Kizziah, called &quot;BELIEVERS BEWARE OF COUNTERFEIT KING JAMES BIBLES&quot; you can see it at various places, such as, [url]http://www.thebelieversorganization.org/article%20-%20Beware%20of%20Counterfeit%20Bibles.htm[/url]

Kizziah\'s article certainly brings out a good line of reasoning, and he is really saying that there is a standard KJB, though he cannot define what it is. I would say that Kizziah is on the right track. He then gives a list of various words which are being modernised or altered in recent KJB editions. Kizzah supports the Cambridge Edition, and specifically attacks Cambridge for making wrong changes in their Standard Text Edition (which he claims was first released in 1993, the one I have seen in Melbourne was printed in 2002, and I saw the same one for sale in Sydney in about 2003.) Kizziah is exactly right in slamming this Standard Text Edition (which Norris has posted a huge list of alterations in this one).

Kizziah, while supporting the Cambridge Edition generally, has not understood that the Concord Cambridge Edition is not that old, and in fact, it is in places different to the Pure Cambridge Edition. (I have made a list of examples of differences between the PCE and the Concord in an earlier post in this thread.) Among other things, the Concord has capital &quot;Spirit&quot; in 1 John 5:8 against traditional 1769 Bibles. To understand this issue, also look at my statement at www.bibleprotector.com/purecambridgeedition.htm

Kizziah gives a list of Concord Cambridge readings, which in the main are also PCE readings, and are correct. But because he is using the recent Concord rather than the PCE, he is going to have the Oxfordised errors. He lists one in his checklist for supposedly &quot;real&quot; KJBs.

GENESIS 24:57
enquire (Kizziah\'s so called &quot;real&quot; KJB, actually Concord Cambridge, following Oxford, impure.)
inquire (Kizziah\'s so called &quot;counterfeit&quot; KJB reading, actually Pure Cambridge Edition reading, and found in 1769-conformed Cambridge Bibles all through the Victorian Era as well.)

Thus, Kizziah would incorrectly claim that the following pure renderings are &quot;counterfeit&quot;:
Genesis 24:57, inquire
Exodus 23:23, and the Hivites
Numbers 6:5, rasor
2 Samuel 15:12, counseller
2 Samuel 18:29, Is [italic] the
Ezra 2:26, Geba
Ezra 6:4, expences
Jeremiah 32:5, prosper?
Ezekiel 47:3, ancles
Mark 2:1, Capernaum, after
Acts 11:12, spirit
Acts 11:28, spirit
Romans 4:18, nations; according
1 Corinthians 15:27, saith, all
1 John 5:8, spirit

Kizziah has not understood about the PCE, but seems to have taken the present Concord Cambridge as the &quot;received edition&quot; because it was currently available. (And it is also taken by Waite for his DEFINED KJB.) The problem here is that Cambridge is, as Kizziah points out, now corrupt. In fact, if they had bought a Collins Bible, even as late as 2003 (when Kizziah wrote the article), it would very likely be a PCE. What he and KJB people did not know was that Cambridge was already corrupted before 1993, because the production of the Concord Cambridge is the first sign of real corruption in the KJB. (They had been dancing with the devil for years with the RV and the New English Bible. They had enough sense to abandon Scrivener though, but like Norton said, institutional memory failed, and so they hired Norton to do a Balaam job.)

You see, it is only now, on the basis of a collective of understanding, that we can see what has happened, and how some KJB people have mistakenly held to the Concord Edition rather than the PCE.

See also my article: www.bibleprotector.com/THERE_IS_ONLY_ONE_PURE_KING_JAMES_BIBLE.pdf

I have made various King James Bible people that they should be aware of my website, and this forum is for their learning too. As King James Bible people hear and look at these things, I hope that they are convinced that we do have a pure common standard, a particular edition of the King James Bible which is indeed correct to the jot and tittle, and that needs no revision so much as of one punctuation mark.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('154', '92a9d0af7a', 'KJBOs and the Cambridge Edition', 'Knowledge of the history of the KJB has survived through time, though in specialised places. Kilbourne in the 1650s was studying KJBs, which had superseded the Geneva under Cromwell\'s Lord Protectorship. When Blayney edited his 1769 Edition, he knew to use a 1611 Edition, and some certain other editions as important. Thus, when Curtis challenged the Universities concerning their protection of the text, the Universities did not know much, but Oxford reprinted the 1611 Edition in 1833 to show how going back to the 1611 as &quot;a standard&quot; was a completely wrong idea, and promoted the idea of progressive purification, while in the 1830s Cambridge abandoned its 1762 text in favour of the 1769, without some of the Oxford peculiarities (particular spellings). But the information of the textual history was not scientifically studied until 1873, with Scrivener.

There were antiquarians, such as Wilson or Fry, who had done some studies into the old Bibles, and later, Dore. For years people had been talking about revising the KJB. Even Burgon agreed. And certainly, there needed to be a revision. But along came Westcott and Hort, and Scrivener was with them, though not fully agreeing. Besides this, Scrivener did a good thing, which was present facts and history, and he did a bad thing, which was interpret wrongly, and also edit the KJB in a perverted way. So his book in 1884 gave the first complex study of the textual history of the KJB. Lots of facts but also plenty of wrong interpretation.

Scrivener\'s work was held by some who studied the area, but already contemporaries, such as W. Smith and W. Aldis Wright rejected his interpretations. So rather than adopt Scrivener\'s text, even though it persisted in the Cambridge Bibles for Schools and the Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges, Redpath\'s edit became the standard Cambridge text in normal Bibles. W. Aldis Wright did textual studies into the two 1611 editions (1909). But other than Scrivener, there was no real study in the textual history of the KJB, and the PCE increased. 

With the rise of the distinct modern time King James Bible only movement, that is, Hills, Fuller and so forth, there was no real comment on any differences in editions. Hills mentioned that it was already a common attack on the King James Bible only position to be asked, &quot;Which edition?&quot; Hills said any. Hills said that no notable study had been undertaken in the textual history of the KJB after Scrivener, probably due to loss of intrest in the area.

However, because of the continual attack of &quot;Which edition then is the standard?&quot;, and the deception of the NKJV, which claimed to be just another revision like 1769 or something, D. A. Waite spent 1985 checking his 1917 Scofield Oxford Edition against the 1611 reprint. Whereas Scrivener was interested in the 1611 to 1769 picture (and this is the use of Scrivener), Waite was looking at the present (or rather, near present) Oxford versus 1611 picture, that is, the a near present represnation of the Oxford as it had adapted from 1769. Thus, Waite\'s study was the most detailed in the KJBO movement, and the most notable since Scrivener. I suppose that Waite did not use Scrivener to gather his information from, because Scrivener was used by the modernists to attack the KJB, and Waite did his study independent from any existing lists. It seems that while Waite considered his Scofield to be &quot;authoritative&quot; at the time, though his position is very much now in favour of the Cambridge Edition, and he has used the Concord Cambridge Edition in his DEFINED KJB.

I should also mention that the 1833 Oxford reprint of the 1611 also showed variations and errors, including those from the 1613 edition, and that the two American Bible Society attempts to revise the KJB in the 1850s were aware both of this information, and of some slight differences that existed between various Victorian era publishers at that time.

From the late 1980s, several KJBO people have written about the differences between 1611 and the present KJB. Reagan wrote against the &quot;myth&quot; of early revisions. Ruckman wrote that any edition of the KJB was acceptable, with particular reference to the modernised American revision from the 1850s. I read all these articles in 2000, as well as one on &quot;Subtle Changes&quot;. Later, in 2003 Kizziah wrote a more in depth article which basically attacked the recent Cambridge Bibles and accepted the Concord Cambridge. An authorised spokesperson from Bible Baptist Church Pensacola even said that the Cambridge Edition was to be preferred, though any edition of the KJB was acceptable.

Norris must have been doing his research in the 1990s too and beyond, but he was relying foremost on Scrivener.

I began my work in 2000. Some KJBOs deferred to Scrivener, and I have only heard Fuhrman doubt him after I had talked against Scrivener. I read talk by certain KJBOs about a 1852 American Revision, which is in fact very corrupt, and should never have been held in any esteem. But as far as any lists go, I really only had Scrivener and Waite to use.

Then Norton came along, and I bought his book, and I added more to my list, and found out more things to do with the textual history of the KJB. Then, at the start of 2007 I launched my website.

In 2007 I found that Norris had also made a list like Waite had, but a little different, and with the purpose of putting down Waite, which has not, to my knowledge been fully publicly released, though I have asked for the full list several times from the exacting collator.

As far as identifying the Pure Cambridge Edition, the textual comparisons of it with 1611, study of the words of it, the identification of its editor, the times it was printed, its numbers of impressions, comparisons between it and 1769 and other present editions, the seven purifications of the KJB, details of specific variations, and so forth, such labours to discover have been undertaken by myself, and in unity with the leaders of my Church. Most especially we should thank God that not only do we have the knowledge of the pure Word, but that it is present.

Thus, for word lists and comparisons, we have:
Scrivener
Waite
Norton
Verschuur (bibleprotector, the present author)
and, Norris (in part)

Thus, for identifying the Cambridge Edition we have:
Scholars:
Scrivener (generally)
Norton (generally)

Modernists:
White (at least certain readings)
Norris (at least certain readings)

KJBO:
Waite, though Concord (and others, such as Holland, Cloud, etc.)
Kizziah, though Concord
Verschuur (bibleprotector, the present author), specifically in the PCE.

While KJBO defence of the Cambridge Edition has often been of the correct readings, since various such readings agree between the Pure Cambridge Edition and the Concord Edition, the problem is that while the Concord Edition is being used by some, eventually their position, while good and correct concerning many places, e.g. Joshua 19:2, Jeremiah 34:16, Nahum 3:16, etc., it would no longer be good enough to use the Concord as further research and detailed knowledge (which Norton himself does not seem to give any distinctions between the PCE and the Concord, though he acknowledges that there was a collaboration with Oxford to make the Concord), since other variations and particular things came to light, which do indeed show that the PCE is in fact correct rather than the Concord — which Concord was adequate to show major errors of the Oxfords!

Providentially, even though the exact textual knowledge was not known, it took the combination of the scientific textual study in the 20th Century Cambridge Editions directly linked with the spiritual belief that there should be a perfect presentation of the pure Word (KJB), God allowed the KJBO people to use the Concord, which was in many places right, and created a pro-Cambridge atmosphere, and certainly an anti-modern corruption of the KJB atmosphere, but as long as there was either a lingering feeling that any edition was alright, maybe the 1850s American Revision, or that Scrivener’s was respectable, or that we were just using the 1769 Edition, or just the Cambridge Edition without knowing anything about the Concord, where there was a true heart inclined toward purity, then God covered for such “ignorance” because the right spirit was found in those who were indeed truly standing for the pure Word.

&quot;Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.&quot; (Isaiah 48:17).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('155', 'd1587b29e8', 'Seven purifications of the KJB', 'The Pure Cambridge Edition is the seventh major purification revision of the King James Bible.

“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalm 12:6, 7).

Just as there are seven recognised purifications of the Protestant English Bible, so there are seven major editions of the King James Bible which are in a succession of purification. With the English Bibles it began with Tyndale, and the text and translation was finalised in the King James Bible. With the editions, counting begins from the first one.

PURIFICATION ONE. The First 1611 Edition was the first printed representation of the King James Bible, which presented for the first time the gathering of all that went before it, from the other English translations, the original languages and other sources. However, this first edition suffered because of printers’ typographical errors.

In 1611 the language was not standardised, and certain amount of work was required to regularise the AV, which only took place at a later stage.

PURIFICATION TWO: The Second 1611 Edition was the second printed representation of the King James Bible, which corrected the first edition, lest any reading of the AV from the first should thought to be correct when it was a typographical error. However, this second edition, while a purification, also suffered because of printers’ typographical errors. This would lead to another problem: was a difference in the Second 1611 Edition a typographical error or a deliberate correction?

PURIFICATION THREE: The third major edition of the King James Bible, and the third purification took place in the 1613 Edition. This 1613 Edition resolved what was a typographical error in either of the two editions before it, though of course, the 1613 Edition made mistakes of its own. But with these three, already there had been much testimony as to what was the actual text of the King James Bible. When Oxford reprinted the First 1611 Edition in 1833, they made particular reference to differences among the First Edition, Second Edition and 1613 Edition.

Over the years, the London Printers made various runs of various sizes of Bibles, each edition with slight errors or variations.

PURIFICATION FOUR: In 1629, Cambridge University Press, by its power of “Cum Privilegio”, presented its own edition of the King James Bible. The first Cambridge Edition of 1629 was the product of a concerted revision which took place at Cambridge, taking into account the whole array of printed editions beforehand, and being a culminating work to begin a long history of the presentation of a much more typeset accurate text and authority in presentation. The beginnings of the standardisation of the language were first manifested in the 1629 Edition too. Thus, the fourth major edition in the succession of the purification of the King James Bible.

PURIFICATION FIVE: In 1638, by order of King Charles I, the King James Bible was revised once again at Cambridge. Two surviving translators are known to have taken part, as well as the learned Puritan, Joseph Mede. They also had recourse to the Translators’ Master Copy. This edition, which brought in more standardisation, and other careful corrections, became the standard edition upon which all Bible publishers began to use as the basis of the King James Bible. The 1638 Edition contained some misprints too.

With the advance of history and all the various factors that occurred, numerous King James Bible editions appeared over the years, some specialised with various marginal material. The Puritans accepted the 1638 Edition of the KJB. Oxford began printing Bibles as well. Bishop Lloyd’s revision of 1701 was so botched by the press that his edition did not make real impact. In the 1750s, there was a general movement toward the standardisation of the English language. Thomas Paris (sometimes wrongly attributed to F. S. Parris) edited the King James Bible at Cambridge in 1762. This grand revision was thwarted by many copies being burnt during a warehouse fire, and others were damaged by water when the fire was doused.

PURIFICATION SIX: In 1769, Blayney completed editing the King James Bible, and it was printed at Oxford. What Blayney discovered, in furthering Paris’ work, was that Paris had missed numerous things in his corrections. And so Blayney had the credit of standardising the King James Bible, which became the basis of all King James Bible editions afterward to the present time. This sixth major purification was concerned with standardising the language, and was concerned with making many corrections to various typographical errors that had appeared in the King James Bible over the years. It took into account various worthy editions which came before it.

However, the 1769 Edition was not final: one of the editions printed that year was more perfect than another, and various errata appeared. While London soon adopted the 1769 text, it required a minor edit in 1817 D’Oyly and Mant at Oxford, and the passing until about 1835 before Cambridge printed its Bibles based on the 1769 Edition. And Cambridge ensured that it did not reproduce the novelties of spelling that Oxford had always had. So the 1769 Edition was perpetuated through the reign of Queen Victoria, in the three Guardians, namely, the Oxford, London and Cambridge succession of editions. As time progressed, very slight adjustments were made in all their editions, and at times some sort of alignment occurred to bring a slight uniformity between Cambridge and Oxford.

In the second half of the nineteenth century, the idea that there should be some sort of revision of the King James Bible had gained momentum. Of course, “revision” meant different things to different people. Some thought that it would mean correcting a few errors and perhaps updating a few archaic words. Others thought about revising the underlying Textus Receptus. Others thought a bit more, and of course, history shows how far away the Revised Version really was from anything to do with the King James Bible.

Scrivener also, on the basis of a new theory, decided to edit the King James Bible supposing that the Second 1611 Edition had been printed first, and that the First 1611 Edition typographical errors were really were “corrections” of the Second, and by an unusual method he also revised spellings and so on, producing a “classical edition” like one would produce by textual criticism of Shakespeare. Scrivener’s edition was too different for the normal conservative or evangelical Christian, and although it was used in some commentaries, it was never taken as the normal Cambridge text.

Considering what outcry the Revised Version had caused, and that Scrivener’s Edition was being rejected by scholars such as W. Aldis Wright, Cambridge embarked on a quiet and very conservative revision.

PURIFICATION SEVEN: Around the year 1900, the scholarly and thoroughly anti-modernist H. A. Redpath (parson who moved to London, Septuagint concordance editor, Oxford lecturer, held a position in Swete’s Society of Sacred Study, wrote for the Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge and became examining chaplain to the Bishop of London) edited the King James Bible, adding the pronunciation scheme, and this was consequently printed at Cambridge and by William Collins in Scotland. This edition made various corrections to the 1769-following Cambridge Edition of the late Victorian Era, probably with reference to Scrivener’s work, but with consultation of other editions, most notably the First 1611 Edition. Numerous corrections included the spelling of names, for which the most inexactness had been allowed in the Bible, probably because of the complexity of them. Other corrections, which are defended to this day, were the restoration of “or” in Joshua 19:2, “whom ye” in Jeremiah 34:16 and “flieth” in Nahum 3:16.

The Pure Cambridge Edition of circa 1900 was afterward the normal Cambridge and Collins text, and though no particular exemplar impression edition of it may be upheld, the general attestation to it and the agreement of witness in various King James Bibles of the twentieth century shows that a common text was present, regardless of typographical errors in various ones, and regardless of any slight textual variations that severally appeared.

It was on the basis of the general acceptance of the Cambridge Edition as the standard or superior presentation of the King James Bible among the host of editions that may have appeared or been contemporary with the modern King James Bible only movement, and with the further and exacting studies into the textual criticism of the Bible, including reference to (but not reliant upon) Norton’s studies, and with the advent of worldwide dissemination of King James Bible texts by the internet, and by the utilisation of the developments in word processing technology, and with providentially supplied factors and events and most importantly revelation from the Spirit, the Pure Cambridge Edition has been presented in its correct form, with complete reference to the existing extant historical printed editions of it, resulting in a standard text of the Pure Cambridge Edition without any variation and free from all particular accidental typographical errors.

While traditional copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition may still be available from some publishers (not Cambridge since about the 1970s though), and while second hand copies of it abound, and its presence detected on various internet sites, the standard text of the Pure Cambridge Edition may be freely obtained, along with further information, at www.bibleprotector.com

The Bible prophecy of seven purifications has been fulfilled multiple times, and we can be sure that the seven purifications of the King James Bible has been accomplished by the providence of God. Prophetically, through history it is as if a mighty angel has come, and has at last delivered a little book to the Church (see Revelation 10). 

Several interesting differences between the Pure Cambridge Edition and the first 1611 Edition.

1. Exodus 14:10
1611
... &quot;the children of Israel lift up their eyes, and behold, the Egyptians marched after them, and they were sore afraid: and&quot; ...
PCE
Omitted. Already corrected in Second 1611 Edition.

2. Exodus 23:23
1611
&quot;the Hivites&quot;
PCE
&quot;and the Hivites&quot;
Already corrected in 1616, 1629 Cambridge, etc. But not all present editions.

3. Ezra 2:26
1611
&quot;Gaba&quot;
PCE
&quot;Geba&quot;
Seems to be introduced in the PCE, was in the 1602 Bishops\' Bible.

4. Job 4:6
1611
&quot;the uprightness of thy ways and thy hope?&quot;
PCE
&quot;thy hope, and the uprightness of thy ways?&quot;
Already regularised in 1638.

5. Acts 4:17
1611
&quot;farther&quot;
PCE
&quot;further&quot;
Already corrected in 1616 and 1629 Cambridge. Some errors of this kind still linger in Oxford-agreeing Editions.

6. 1 John 5:8
1611
&quot;Spirit&quot;
PCE
&quot;spirit&quot;
Already changed in or before 1638, the 1611 has many differences on &quot;spirit&quot;/&quot;Spirit&quot; with all present 1769-following editions.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('156', '3059588646', 'Ye shall know the truth', 'YE SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH

“Which KJV is inspired, since it was revised four times, the last being in 1769?”

This is a very subtle question, laced with misinformation, designed to trick the new Christian into not believing God’s provided pure Word in English.

First of all, no true King James Bible only believer is saying that the King James Bible was actually made by inspiration from 1604 to 1611. A lot of misinformation exists, and there are plenty of accusations around, so that eventually some King James Bible people have thought that this was actually a King James Bible only doctrine. But it isn’t. The translators were guided by God providentially, but this is not the same as being infallible.

Did the translators of the King James Bible make mistakes? They were men after all; but collectively, they did not make any textual or translation error in the King James Bible. They were very wise men who knew very well how to translate rare Hebrew words or Greek tenses and so forth, the kind of thing which today’s modernist learning can barely grasp.

You see, our view today is to accept the King James Bible as though God has handed it out of history to us. All we have to do is receive it by faith as the Word of God. “Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.” (2 Thessalonians 2:15). “Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” (Jude verse 3). This means that we don’t have to learn Hebrew or Greek to know God’s Word. We don’t have to know the names of various manuscripts to be able to have the evidence that we have God’s Word.

Ye shall know the truth!

What we, as true believers in God’s Word, are doing is believing that God’s Word is inspired, and that God’s Word has been preserved through history, and that God’s Word is here today, and we can certainly know it. Surely that is the truth! God would not be so weak as to inspire the Scripture perfectly, only to give it to us today with 99% accuracy in English. If one Bible version cannot be 100% pure to the jot and tittle then God is not almighty. But the Word says He is, and we believe it!

So when someone asks, “Which KJV is inspired...” they are deceiving or being deceived. Since the King James Bible was not made by inspiration in 1604-1611, the English Bible was not inspired at any time. What we can say is that it is most faithful and exact in presenting God’s originally inspired Word to the present time in English. We certainly cannot say that about modern versions, all of which disagree as to what exactly was inspired and to what degree. But with the King James Bible, we find that historically and presently there are believers who are certain about it.

This question, “Which KJV is inspired, since it was revised four times, the last being in 1769?” is a trap that cannot take sober and prudent believers.

“The wicked have laid a snare for me: yet I erred not from thy precepts.” (Psalm 119:110).

Now, let’s go a little further. Was the King James Bible really revised? Well, truthfully, it was revised by the King’s Printers already in 1611. The first edition had “he” at Ruth 3:15, but they realised they made a mistake, and corrected it to “she”. A whole list of changes occurred in or by the 1613 Edition. Furthermore, at Cambridge University Press in 1629 and again in 1638, there was a concerted effort at bringing in corrections and standardising the language in the King James Bible. Yes, these editorial works, which resulted in improved editions, must be called “revisions”. The text was revised. It does not mean it was changed to a different underlying text or different translation or anything like that. It just means that printing mistakes were fixed up, and spelling changed, more italics added, and little things like that.

The King James Bible has not been revised a mere four times. In the lineage of the authoritative text, it has undergone many slight revisions and changes. In fact, the King James Bible overall has passed through six main revisions since the first appearance, making seven in total.

Now, when we hear, “Which KJV is inspired, since it was revised four times, the last being in 1769?” we find another error. The last main purification revision of the King James Bible took place after 1769. It is the Cambridge edition which appeared around 1900 which was edited by Henry Redpath. This resulted in the Pure Cambridge Edition which is the correct presentation of the King James Bible now.

Let us all be assured and certain that once the Cambridge Bible was made right, as can now be understood (see [link=http://www.bibleprotector.com/index.htm newwindow]www.bibleprotector.com[/link]), we have come to the end of any need of revising. The King James Bible does not need any more changes today or tomorrow. No word, nor letter nor punctuation mark should now be changed or altered in the Pure Cambridge Edition.

There are people who think that the English language is changing, or is going to change so that the King James Bible is going to become unintelligible. This is very strong propaganda, but untrue. Yes, words are added to the English language every year, but meanings of words are not lost. It is not hard for someone to learn King James Bible words. There is an attack on the language of the King James Bible by the enemy, but God is much more powerful. He invented language, and He has history under His control. God has said that all nations must hear the true Gospel. If He said that, then He is not going to let the King James Bible fail in its task.

God is almighty, and the Holy Spirit is able to give understanding, even to a new Christian. God is able to give them the comprehension and mind that is able to grasp the concepts and language of the King James Bible. Too often people are thinking the opposite way, but that opposite way is the way of unbelief.

Today, if you have not made a decision to believe that God\'s Word is very pure, and present, just like He said, then I urge you to believe those Scriptures (see Psalm 119:140 and Proverbs 30:5), and see that God has fulfilled His promises. Believing the King James Bible is a very sure thing, and will clear up many things in the heart.

Also, if you are finding the King James Bible hard, I invite you to submit yourself to the Lord, get out any pride thinking, and pray according to this verse: &quot;If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.&quot; (James 1:5).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('157', 'e4f71ef30a', 'Thank you', 'Thank you for correcting my statements and informing me of the list as well.
Sorry about Victoria.I know is is not a city, and I automatically think it is because B.C. has her capital as that of Victoria.Just a slight brain hemorhage.
But I\'m much better now.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('158', 'be9997f2bb', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'Traditional Pentecostalism is an extension of what the early Church was, the modern manifestation starting around the early 1900s. The outpouring of the Spirit of God relates it to being the Christianity of the last days. &quot;And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh&quot; (Acts 2:17a).

Smith Wigglesworth, the great Pentecostal pioneer of the early 1900s, forewarned that God would call His people out of a compromised Pentecostalism: &quot;I can see even in this Pentecostal work, except we see there is a real death, God will say to us, \'Come out.\' Unless Pentecost wakes up to shake herself free from all worldly things ... we will hear the voice of God, \'Come out\' and He will have something far better than this. I ask every one of you, will you hear the voice of God and come out?&quot; (Liardon, Roberts, 1996, Smith Wigglesworth: The Complete Collection of His Life Teachings, Albury Publishing, Tulsa, USA, page 268.).

With respect to knowing the Antichrist religion (and thus knowing the false type of religion), Smith Wigglesworth said, &quot;What will make you to know it is the Man of Sin? This: Every religious sect and creed there is in the world all joins to it. Romanism you see joined up with it. Buddhism joined with it. There is not a religion known but what is joined up to it. Why that is exactly what the devil will have. He will have all the false religions joining right up and the Man of Sin, when he comes, will be received with great applause.&quot; (Liardon, Roberts, 1998, Smith Wigglesworth Speaks to Students of the Bible, Albury Publishing, Tulsa, USA, page 259.)

The Tradtional Pentecostal Church preaches the pure Word of God, and is comprised of servants of God who are obedient to God. They must come out of all compromise and stand for truth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('159', 'e55c89d446', 'Where was God\'s Word in 1610?', 'From http://www.webtruth.org/articles/bible-version-issues-22/is-the-king-james-version-perfect-30.html

[quote:e55c89d446]START[/quote:e55c89d446]

When a KJV onlyite asks ‘‘Where is God’s word today?’’ reply to him as follows: ‘‘Where was God’s word in 1610?’’ If he replies ‘‘I’m not interested in 1610 — I’m interested in where the word of God is now ’’ you know you have a sophist on your hands who is not prepared to discuss the issue sanely and sensibly. However, if he says ‘‘The word of God was represented in the Bibles translated by the Waldensians, Wycliffe, Tyndale and Coverdale’’ ask him if these Bibles were 100% perfect. If he answers ‘‘Yes’’ he needs to do some homework, for all these Bibles differ from the KJV 1611 (incidentally, the Waldensian Bible and Wycliffe’s Bible came from the Latin Vulgate, not the original Greek and Hebrew). However, if he answers ‘‘No’’ ask him again, ‘‘Where was the perfect inerrant preserved word of God in 1610?’’ This is a reasonable question which is not at all hypothetical. If he says the word of God was represented in the Masoretic Text of the Old Testament and the Textus Receptus of the New Testament, ask him which edition of the Textus Receptus he is referring to. From 1516 (Erasmus’ 1st edition) to 1650 (Elziver’s 3rd) more than 25 editions of the Textus Receptus were produced. Which one was the perfect word of God? If none of them was, had God failed in His promise to preserve the word of God at that stage? If the ‘KJV-onlyite’ says the word of God was preserved, prior to the KJV, not in one but in various manuscripts (thus the ‘originals’ do exist after all); however now, by a divine work of God in grace and providence, all the words of God have been put into a single book (the KJV 1769 in English), he has just defeated his own argument. He has admitted that prior to 1769, every translation and text was corrupt - while God’s word was still being preserved across a variety of Greek and Hebrew manuscripts - thus the people of God had no one book they could call the ‘word of God’ and we are back to square one - God’s promise, as interpreted by the KJVO advocates, wasn’t worth the paper it was written on prior to 1611.

[quote:e55c89d446]END[/quote:e55c89d446]

Answer: God’s Word was present, perfect and pure, though somewhat scattered in impure presentations in 1610.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('161', '2d0856b9b2', '', '(Correction:  I said verse 13 starts with For.  I was wrong.  My apologies.  Please ignore what I said about it starting with &quot;For&quot;.  Please read below for further clarification as to what I am saying)

Before I begin, I want to be clear that I am a slave to context, or as some people might say, &quot;context clues&quot;.

Okay, so here\'s where I sit:  Verse 12 is obviously describing &quot;the word of God&quot; (or rather, the subject matter as stated at the beginning of this verse).  Yes, I know:  Duh.  Okay, so from what I can see, verse 13 continues describing &quot;the word of God&quot; a bit further.  And here it reveals that &quot;the word of God&quot; is a male by calling it &quot;his&quot;, and &quot;him&quot;.  So now I know that it\'s a man.  Cool, thank you Lord!  So then we have verse 14.  Oh, thank you again Lord.  You just revealed some more insight as to what &quot;the word of God&quot; is.  It looks like you\'re saying that it\'s Jesus Christ, the Son of God!  Hmm, let me continue reading to see if I\'m wrong.  Oh, look at verse 15.  There\'s that &quot;For&quot; I mentioned.  Now Paul is revealing that &quot;the word of God&quot; was also tempted to sin just like we are, but was without sin.  Hmm, that still sounds like it\'s saying &quot;the word of God&quot; is Christ Jesus.

Now I just read verse 16.  Wow.  I like verse 16 the most, because it clarifies the meaning of verse 12.  He\'s drawing a conclusion here.  He has a &quot;therefore&quot;.  Now, I\'ve learned to ask, &quot;what\'s the [i:2d0856b9b2]therefore[/i:2d0856b9b2] there for?&quot;  It\'s like saying, &quot;After everything I just said, let us make a conclusion from it.&quot;  Verse 16: &quot;Let us therefore come boldly unto the the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in the time of need.&quot;  Amen!  So, now I can clearly see what this all means.  It looks like &quot;the word of God&quot; really is the Lord Jesus Christ.  Neat!  Oh the Lord is so awesome like that!  Thank you for revealing it unto my spirit, Lord.

So, of course we know that verse 16 is saying &quot;let us come boldly unto Christ Jesus&quot; (Again:  amen!).  And since that therefore is sitting there, and since it\'s wrapping up everything before it, including 12-15, I\'m thoroughly convinced without a shadow of a doubt that it is basically saying this:  &quot;the word of God&quot; in verse 12 is He who can see all things (verse 13), who is the great high priest, Jesus the Son of God (verse 14, obviously), who was tempted like we are, but never sinned (verse 15), and so therefore, let us come boldly unto Him to receive His help (verse 16).  Again, Amen (that\'s just my spirit shouting Amen).  I love the message here!  And so does my spirit.

All I am saying here is that when I look at the context, I find it [i:2d0856b9b2]absolutely[/i:2d0856b9b2] [i:2d0856b9b2][u:2d0856b9b2][b:2d0856b9b2]impossible[/i:2d0856b9b2][/u:2d0856b9b2][/b:2d0856b9b2] to find [u:2d0856b9b2]any other meaning[/u:2d0856b9b2].  And believe me, I\'m trying very hard to see how this verse is saying that the [i:2d0856b9b2]Bible[/i:2d0856b9b2] is the subject.  Paul never refers to, or has referred to scripture as &quot;his&quot;, &quot;him&quot;, &quot;a great high priest&quot;, and he most certainly never called the scriptures, &quot;Jesus the Son of God&quot;.  But, Paul sure called &quot;the word of God&quot; all those things in this passage, didn\'t he?  So then who do you think he is talking about?  I ask &quot;who&quot; because of verses 13-16 (even 12).

Therefore, I conclude with all confidence in the great God of heaven, the divine author of this Book, that &quot;the word of God&quot; is Christ Jesus without a shadow of a doubt even though it\'s not &quot;Word&quot; (why, oh why, would God want it to be THAT obvious?  Come on!  Remember, our Lord Jesus Christ thanked God for hiding the truth to self-righteous people, and revealing it unto lowly babes.  God doesn\'t spoon-feed us.  He\'s wiser than that.  And I know you know that.  I\'m just stating simple reminders to help my point remain sharp).

In the end, I only believe the [b:2d0856b9b2]Bible[/b:2d0856b9b2]!  When I saw the article which I mentioned, I was shocked.  I said &quot;yeah, that\'s what I thought.  Wow.&quot;  And no, this is no private interpretation.  I\'m simply using the context provided.

However, with all that being said, I will say that I feel that verse 12 can be used as a very good description of the Bible, (but again, I don\'t refer to it as &quot;his&quot;, &quot;him&quot;, etc, etc...), however, the Bible wasn\'t written to exalt itself at all.  The Bible was written to exalt the Lord!  In John 5:39, Jesus says, &quot;Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.&quot;  Let us pay attention to the lack of &quot;they are they which testify of itself.&quot;  Nope.  The Scriptures testify and exalt the Lord Jesus Christ (oh, and God), but not the Bible.

I\'m sorry for being so stubborn, or even harsh.  But when it comes to the truth, I have no fear, and I have total confidence.  When I read (reed) that passage, I cannot see it any other way no matter what anyone says.  That\'s how the passage speaks to my spirit, and my spirit rejoices and says &quot;Amen!&quot; (especially to verse 16!).  And again, this is due to the context provided.

Let the Lord be magnified!  Amen.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('162', '0c08311192', 'Thank you', 'Thank you Matthew for showing the correct versions of the words. 
This means that this Cambridge Teachers Edition only has one spelling variation.
That of  &quot;and Joseph&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('163', '916c182d45', 'Cambridge typos', 'I have a really good Cambridge one, and it only has that variation too. However, over time I found some typographical errors in it, such as Caesarea instead of Cæsarea in one of the Gospels, and missing a fullstop at the end of one of the Gospels.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('164', '2282273e16', 'Jesus is not the Bible, the Bible is not Jesus', 'The Scripture talks about rightly dividing the Word, &quot;Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.&quot; (2 Timothy 2:15).

Hebrews 4:12 does not expressly say that it is a person. In fact, it is talking about a thing. The word of God. However, that thing (a group of divine words) is revealed to be able to be used as a tool, and so much so, that it is part of the user, namely, Jesus. That is why Hebrews 4:13 talks about Jesus, a person.

What you have done, Timothy, is make all of Hebrews 4:12 to describe a person, because the next verse is talking about a person.

I want you to realise that interpreting Scripture by &quot;context&quot; is not based on any verse in the Bible as such. It is easy, in fact, to get the wrong interpretation by either wrongly applying the context, or by joining ideas together that are different (though perhaps similar) and are yet next to each other in the Bible. That would be sort of like saying that Jesus was a thief because he was crucified next to two thieves, etc.

In Revelation 2:16 and other verses, it shows that Jesus has a sword coming out of His mouth, which is the Word of God, &quot;Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.&quot; This shows that Jesus is NOT a sword, and we know the sword is the Word of God, and so Jesus is NOT the same as the Bible, but that Jesus is the Lord over the Bible, so that He has a title called &quot;The Word of God&quot;.

Now, if the King James Bible we have is really pure and correct to the jot and tittle, as Matthew 5:18 indicates, then when the Bible says &quot;word&quot; it must mean a word or the Scripture, but when it says &quot;Word&quot; it must be someone\'s name, who is a person. That person is not Scripture, and Scripture is not a person. But they are linked together.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('166', '777362a75f', 'Women in Ministry', '&quot;And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.&quot; (Joel 2:28,29).

With the Scripture saying that &quot;daughters shall prophesy&quot; it is not hard to see why Traditional Pentecostals opened the way for women to be able to minister in their midst.

It is clear that Biblical preaching has definite elements of prophesying (as utterance coming from the Spirit in the known language of the hearers), and that this is to the Church congregation. &quot;But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.&quot; (1 Corinthinans 14:3) and &quot;he that prophesieth edifieth the church&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:4b).

The conclusion must be that if the daughters can prophesy and this is for the edification of the Church, then women can minister in the Church in line with the Spirit of God. The silence-for-women command would only come into operation if the women were out of God\'s order or were unlearned (the reality is that [i:777362a75f]men [/i:777362a75f]out of line should be silent also).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('167', 'fa53e0bfb4', '', 'Then I have some questions I need to ask you.  Please know that there is a method to my madness. :)

Forgive me if I can find this out for myself on this website (the entire site).

What must a person do in order to get into heaven?

Or...

What must a person do in order to be saved by the Lord Jesus Christ so that they do not go to hell?

Do you believe that people can lose their salvation, and thus go to hell when they die?

Do you believe that people should be baptized (by total immersion in water, obviously) after being saved?

Do you believe in a pretribulational rapture?

Random question:  Do you believe Jesus went to hell after He died on the cross?

Finally, do you believe that Jesus Christ died for every single human being who ever lived, who is living, and who will live without any exceptions?  And thus, do you believe that Jesus Christ is just hoping that everyone will accept Him so that they will get to enter into His kingdom?  Or rather, do you believe it\'s actually possible for 100% of the human population to go to heaven if they all would just ask Jesus to save them (so they would then not go to hell)?

Now, I want you to know that I\'ve learned the true answers to these questions already, and I take NO CREDIT for them.  I give all the credit and glory to God for being gracious enough to show me the truth (even though I don\'t believe I deserve it).  I\'ve known the answers for a few months now, and like with Hebrews 4:12, nobody can take these other truths away from me (the Bible even tells me that).  The Bible is very clear on these answers, and there\'s no way to refute them once the answers are revealed using Scripture.  Note, I said &quot;using scripture&quot;.  I\'m going to use scripture just like the Lord Jesus Christ did when He was tempted by Satan for forty days just after John baptized him.  That\'s why I\'m a slave to context.  Yes, I\'m also a slave to certain words which begin with a capital letter.  But I refuse to interpret Scripture that way when it ends up NOT exalting my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ of Nazareth when I find that using the context DOES exalt Him.  To me, it\'s a no-brainer concerning Hebrews 4:12.  When there are two [i:fa53e0bfb4]obvious[/i:fa53e0bfb4] interpretations, I\'m going to choose the one which lifts up the Lord the most, and also makes the most sense with the context of the entire Bible.  Besides, isn\'t that how Paul preached?  Isn\'t that what Paul\'s ministry was all about?  Exalting the Lord Jesus Christ?  (on a basic level here)

Yes, I know that the Bible is the &quot;more sure word&quot;.  But I don\'t think there\'s a single verse in the Bible which says that it\'s okay to put the Bible first, and the Lord Jesus Christ [i:fa53e0bfb4][u:fa53e0bfb4]second[/u:fa53e0bfb4][/i:fa53e0bfb4].  I don\'t remember Him ever saying that He is willing to share His glory.  I know one thing:  If I wrote a book about me what what I did for somebody, and then that book started getting more glory than me, I\'d be very angry.  I\'d say, &quot;No.  That book is about ME.  ME!!  Look at ME, not the BOOK!  The Book is to comfort and teach you!  It\'s not to be worshipped at ALL!&quot;

Yeah.  God has totally changed me (can you tell?).  He has shown me a LOT over the past 3 months, and I\'ve never felt better in my entire life.  I\'m 28 years old, and I still live at home with my parents.  According to what society says about how I\'m living, I should be suffering from depression, and a variety of other similar problems.  But thanks be to God, I\'ve never felt better, and it\'s all because He has regenerated me, and fed my spirit the truth.  Oh, I think I gave away one of my answers from one of my questions.  Oh well. :)

But hey, I\'m actually assuming you know the real answers to those questions.  And at this point, I can be bold in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and say that I\'ll [i:fa53e0bfb4]know[/i:fa53e0bfb4] if your answer is right or wrong.

Yeah, I know:  I shouldn\'t be talking like this on a site called &quot;The Bible [i:fa53e0bfb4]Protector[/i:fa53e0bfb4]&quot;.  But y\'know what?  If your reaction is, &quot;what does he know?&quot;, or how about this one pastor\'s reaction (this is my best recollection of his statement, &quot;Timothy, I\'ve been saved for over 30 years, and I\'ve been preaching for over 20&quot;, and the rest of that statement was conveying to me something to this effect, &quot;so therefore I am right and you\'re wrong.&quot;  I did not reply to him.  I decided that if he was going to be like that, then I was going to have nothing to do with him.  Besides, this guy would get all of those questions I asked wrong.  He wants to give man (God\'s creation) SOME of the glory when it comes to salvation!!  I don\'t believe in anything that makes God share His glory.

Forgive my message if it rubs you the wrong way or if it\'s kind of confusing, or seems weird.  Thanks be to God, I recently started a new job.  Unfortunately, I\'ve not been giving myself enough time to get enough sleep this week.

Please know that my intentions are all good.  If I seem like I\'m being arrogant, then please understand that I\'m just confident.  I\'m confident in the Bible, and first and foremost, I am confident in the Lord Jesus Christ, but not in the flesh.  Amen.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('168', '1864dd39ff', 'Jesus brings us His word', '[quote:1864dd39ff]To me, it\'s a no-brainer concerning Hebrews 4:12. When there are two obvious interpretations, I\'m going to choose the one which lifts up the Lord the most, and also makes the most sense with the context of the entire Bible.[/quote:1864dd39ff]

This is an example of wrongly dividing the Word of God. You seem to be saying that Hebrews 4:12 is either applying to Jesus or the Bible. That is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that it is applying to both the Bible and Jesus in different ways, however, the particular application of the word is its function, whereas Jesus is the one who uses it. It is not either/or, but how do these both work or fit together. It is not: Jesus = Bible, but Jesus uses Bible.

[quote:1864dd39ff]But I don\'t think there\'s a single verse in the Bible which says that it\'s okay to put the Bible first, and the Lord Jesus Christ second.[/quote:1864dd39ff]

But it would be putting down Jesus if we made him the same as the Bible. Also, there is an exaltation for the Bible: &quot;I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.&quot; (Psalm 138:2). And there is also an exaltation for Jesus, &quot;Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.&quot; (Philippians 2:9-11). Just because Jesus is high and the Word of God is high does not mean that Jesus is the Scripture.

[quote:1864dd39ff]What must a person do in order to get into heaven? [/quote:1864dd39ff]

Believe the Scripture, and do the will of God (be born again and work out your salvation).

[quote:1864dd39ff]What must a person do in order to be saved by the Lord Jesus Christ so that they do not go to hell? [/quote:1864dd39ff]

Believe the Scripture and call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, then continue in the faith.

[quote:1864dd39ff]Do you believe that people can lose their salvation, and thus go to hell when they die? [/quote:1864dd39ff]

Yes.

[quote:1864dd39ff]Do you believe that people should be baptized (by total immersion in water, obviously) after being saved? [/quote:1864dd39ff]

Yes.

[quote:1864dd39ff]Do you believe in a pretribulational rapture? [/quote:1864dd39ff]

Yes.

[quote:1864dd39ff]Random question: Do you believe Jesus went to hell after He died on the cross? [/quote:1864dd39ff]

Yes, He went to hell and to Abraham\'s bosom (paradise was then transferred to heaven).

[quote:1864dd39ff]Finally, do you believe that Jesus Christ died for every single human being who ever lived, who is living, and who will live without any exceptions?[/quote:1864dd39ff]

Yes.

[quote:1864dd39ff]And thus, do you believe that Jesus Christ is just hoping that everyone will accept Him so that they will get to enter into His kingdom?[/quote:1864dd39ff]

No.

[quote:1864dd39ff]Or rather, do you believe it\'s actually possible for 100% of the human population to go to heaven if they all would just ask Jesus to save them (so they would then not go to hell)?[/quote:1864dd39ff]

Yes, but the Scripture says there are antichrists, so not everyone will actually be saved.

Now, salvation does not just mean &quot;salvation from hell&quot; it means &quot;salavation from sin and its consequences, which is the curse and finally hell&quot;.

Sin is the violation of the law of God. God has given New Testament Christians the power to obey the Word of God.

The Scripture accounts that Christ comes to us by the preaching of the Gospel to us, &quot;And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.&quot; (Ephesians 2:17). This is very different from His personal presence, nevertheless, He accounts the work of the Church as His work, because it is His body at work in the Earth.

Finally, it is possible that a young Christian can be wiser than many old Christians, however, this is not going to be without meekness and humility. If a Christian says &quot;I&quot;, &quot;I&quot;, &quot;I&quot;, that means there needs to be repentance and growth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('170', '78abb3bed1', 'Women in Ministry', 'A more recent historical example of a woman in a powerful ministerial position is Catherine Booth. Catherine Booth (1829 – 1890), the wife of The Salvation Army (originally called ‘The Christian Mission’) founder, William Booth, was convinced that women had a place as Church speakers, and spoke publicly on occasions. She started speaking publicly at Children’s meetings, then publicly gave her testimony at Gateshead. It is recorded that she had a powerful and challenging ministry; she also spoke at cottage meetings for new converts, and to people in their homes. She was committed to instructing people in the ways of Christianity and eventually began to hold her own campaigns. Source: www.salvos.org.au

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.” (Mark 16:15, 16)

[Note: today, The Salvation Army is known largely as primarily a social service network, however it originally was established on the basis that social reforms must be connected with a regeneration of the human heart through faith in Christ. This was the emphasis of the Booth’s original ministry.]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('175', 'bd5b8164dc', 'The Apostolic', '[quote:bd5b8164dc]By the Holy Ghost’s gifts, it is very necessary that there are those in the body of Christ who do have a knowledge of these things, and who are the teachers of them, for the counsel of God prophecy said there is that which is called a ravenous bird, and Christ’s jot and tittle prophecy said that there are those who are great in the kingdom, and Paul taught, in line with Christ’s Commission, that some are indeed called to apostleship. Therefore, it is not only possible, but certain, that there is an ordination and commissioning of guardians in regard to the providential restitution of knowledge, specifically, the progression of revelation of the Church in regard to the refreshing of knowledge of the exact, pure and even fullness of the Word of God.  Page 41[/quote:bd5b8164dc]
Yes, indeed! A type of Apostolic calling.
Very rare for any to understand this. Let alone see it.
There must be a vision for the whole world,not just the immediate area alone.
Someone must take up the challenge of God and stand in the gap.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('176', '9bb7caf27c', 'Shortened URL', 'here is the same url but [url=http://p208.ezboard.com/What-if-the-Cambridge-Standard-Text-Edition-is-correct/ffinalauthority48270frm31.showMessage?topicID=297.topic/]shortened[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('177', '1f21c9b5ff', 'KJB creationism statement', 'Victory Faith Centre put out a document refuting the modern version trend that was evident with some creationists.

[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/VFC_KJB_Creationism.pdf[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('178', '548122ecf1', 'Pancosmic error', 'The departure of the modernists from the KJBO position has been extremely destructive to Biblical doctrine in their midst. Instead, there has been an adopting of unbiblical ideas.

In 2005, Victory Faith Centre released a booklet identifying the significant differences between Traditional Pentecostals and modernist &quot;Pentecostals&quot; (hereafter known as Pancosmics). This is very informative for the Bible student to study in clarifying the leading of the Spirit for the King James Bible Only movement. See [url=http://www.bibleprotector.com/Pancosmic.pdf]The Difference between Biblical Doctrines and Pancosmic Doctrines[/url]

Note the following from this booklet, which I now point out to people who want to know the differences between Victory Faith Centre and modern Pancosmics: &quot;Most of the so-called Pentecostal movement today is so dramatically different from the doctrine and intentions of its founders, that it should really be identified as \'Pancosmic\'. There is a vast difference between genuine Pentecostalism today and the Pancosmic \'feeling religion\'. Historically, many Pentecostals turned into Pancosmics because they compromised on the Word of God and doctrine. Eventually, much of the movement, along with the Charismatics, became connected to Roman Catholicism, whose ecumenical unity has been rapidly evolving into the last days Whore of Babylon (i.e. the false church).&quot;

It should also be noted that the extreme of being anti-Pentecostal is often also based on a feelings approach rather than through the Biblical approach. I would that all KJBO people come to a Traditional Pentecostal position.

&quot;Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.&quot; (Philippians 3:15).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('274', '1c34aab923', 'Women in Ministry', 'Women were used by God to both herald the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, and His entry onto Earth. Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost when she heard Mary\'s salutation, and she prophesied loudly.

&quot;And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda; And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth. And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed [i:1c34aab923]art[/i:1c34aab923] thou among women, and blessed [i:1c34aab923]is[/i:1c34aab923] the fruit of thy womb. And whence [i:1c34aab923]is[/i:1c34aab923] this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. And blessed [i:1c34aab923]is[/i:1c34aab923] she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.&quot; (Luke 1:39-45).

Following this prophecy from Elisabeth, Mary then prophesied. Women who are moved by the Holy Ghost can minister powerfully. God used women historically to declare His Word, and His will hasn\'t changed in this area. 

&quot;Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.&quot; (Hebrews 13:8).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('180', '6ee226307e', 'What are the consequences of false religion?', 'The consequences of false religions are erroneous thinking and ungodly doctrines. These devilish doctrines encourage people to sin, trouble people mentally and produce hypocrites. 

&quot;NOW the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, [i:6ee226307e]and commanding[/i:6ee226307e] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.&quot; (1 Timothy 4:1-3).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('181', 'a3032435af', 'Going forth', '[This post has been deleted by the Authorizer.]

salvation unconditional website also mentioned');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('183', 'c206ad5973', 'Thank you Peter', 'Thanks Peter.

The &quot;Which Version&quot; Yahoo site seems quite good, and I hope that people will be willing to consider the doctrine of the pure Word and take it up also.

I have been in the Baptists myself (it was Charismatic), but I was always different for being Pentecostal.

Peter, it is wonderful to have a friend and fellowhelper like you on these forums.

God bless you, your wife and your son.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('184', '45cac31750', 'What are the consequences of false religion?', 'Erroneous teachings are dangerous even to professing Christians if they believe them. If a little error is swallowed, the devil is given an opening into people\'s hearts. This can lead to the acceptance of even more error, and there can be a snowball effect so that people may ultimately lose their faith. 

Here are some examples of the dangers of false teaching:

Before writing his book, [i:45cac31750]On the Origin of Species[/i:45cac31750], Charles Darwin was studying to become a clergyman at Cambridge University. He read a book containing lies about &quot;gradual geological processes over massive periods of time&quot; (Charles Lyall\'s [i:45cac31750]Principles of Geology[/i:45cac31750]) which was pivotal in causing Darwin to lose his faith in Biblical truths.

King Solomon was exceedingly wise and desired God\'s wisdom more than any material thing. He was a man who genuinely loved God with all his heart and was greatly blessed by God during his reign. Later in his life, however, King Solomon gave place to false religious teachings with very sad results:

&quot;BUT king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, [i:45cac31750]and[/i:45cac31750] Hittites; Of the nations [i:45cac31750]concerning[/i:45cac31750] which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: [i:45cac31750]for[/i:45cac31750] surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love. And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart. For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, [i:45cac31750]that [/i:45cac31750]his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as [i:45cac31750]was[/i:45cac31750] the heart of David his father. For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as [i:45cac31750]did[/i:45cac31750] David his father. Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that [i:45cac31750]is[/i:45cac31750] before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice, And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded. Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant.&quot; (1 Kings 11:1-11).

There is a great necessity to be guarded against teachings which contradict the Bible. &quot;Your glorying [i:45cac31750]is[/i:45cac31750] not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?&quot; (1 Corinthians 5:6). If a teaching contradicts the Bible, wisely reject it.
Satan\'s agenda is to keep people blinded, never coming to the knowledge of the truth (God\'s Word), or to turn away believers from God, and make their faith shipwrecked.

&quot;Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith&quot; (1 Peter 5:8, 9a).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('185', 'e426ddb763', 'URL', 'Thanks Peter,

In this case I wanted people to see what forum Matthew was showing truth on this subject.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('186', '7ca4430dfa', 'The word of the world', 'The word of the world will often contradict the Word of God and encourage lies and errors. One example of media lies is found in the following article [url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/10/media_dishonesty_matters.html]media dishonesty matters[/url]

We must make sure that we measure what we see and hear by the Bible, not the other way around.

&quot;[i:7ca4430dfa]And [/i:7ca4430dfa]we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.&quot; (1 John 5:19). This present world is ruled over by Satan himself (see 2 Corinthians 4:4), so we should not be surprised that it is wanting to give a substitute word that is filled with error. In fact, the devils want to take the word out of people\'s hearts: &quot;And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.&quot; (Mark 4:15).

&quot;And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [i:7ca4430dfa]is [/i:7ca4430dfa]that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.&quot; (Romans 12:2). The Word of God is the will of God, so Christians must match with it in [b:7ca4430dfa]all [/b:7ca4430dfa]aspects of their lives and be wary about any false word.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('187', '8d834a7371', 'Samantha Savige KJB testimony', 'Prior to about 1998 I was using the New King James Version. Throughout my Christian life to that point I didn’t understand how to walk by faith in God’s promises nor did I understand how pivotal using the correct version is. In other words, the New King James Version had not aided me in Christian development. I had a King James Bible, but didn’t use it. Thankfully, the Lord revealed to me the way to walk by faith (ie. completely trusting in His promises and standing on His Word). Another blessing was my association with Pastor Craig Savige who was a long standing King James Bible Only person who said to me that the Word of God is called the sword of the Spirit and I was aware that he accepted nothing but the King James Bible. One day I was collating some verses to refer to, when the Holy Ghost told me to look up these Scriptures in the King James Bible, which I did. God, in His grace and mercy, revealed that the King James Bible is different. It is pure, and uniquely powerful. From that time on I have been a King James Bible Only believer. Praise God that our whole family is now King James Bible Only. The King James Bible is something that we can securely trust in.

“Every word of God [i:8d834a7371]is[/i:8d834a7371] pure: he [i:8d834a7371]is[/i:8d834a7371] a shield unto them that put their trust in him.” (Proverbs 30:5).

“And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:” (Ephesians 6:17).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('188', '6fbedd3bbb', 'The Word preached', 'There are people who stay in a congregation but it is without the life given through the Word of God. &quot;For the word of God [i:6fbedd3bbb]is [/i:6fbedd3bbb]quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword&quot; (Hebrews 4:12a).

If the preaching is not centred on the Bible, then that preaching will not be giving life to people. &quot;The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.&quot; (Proverbs 21:16). People should not stay in such congregations because this would only be evidence that they are not in the way of understanding. The congregation of the dead is full of ignorant people.

Paul\'s preaching serves as our example. He knew that faith pleased God (see Hebrews 11:6), so it was important for people to believe the Word and for faith to grow. &quot;But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, [i:6fbedd3bbb]even [/i:6fbedd3bbb]in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach&quot; (Romans 10:8). &quot;So then faith [i:6fbedd3bbb]cometh [/i:6fbedd3bbb]by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.&quot; (Romans 10:17).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('182', 'cf6be8fadd', 'Sorry Timothy', 'Sorry Timothy, but this site that you are so enamored over is not completely true for a couple of reasons.
Just by glancing over there I saw some eyebrow raising statements.
It is one thing to say that our salvation hinges completely upon the grace of God, Which is 100% true,But , it is not outrageous to show those conditions that must also be met.
You are confusing the conditions with the ground of Salvation.
Or better stated, You are putting too far a gap between the Ground and the conditions.
Conditions are not the grounds of our salvation, even though it does sound like that when you hear Jesus speak to a few folk after they were healed.

One must remember that the gifts and callings are without repentance. This is primarily to do with the children of Israel, but can be applied to our lives as well. Look at Baalam, he prophecied, was he saved? NO. But the web site said that John the Baptist must have been before he was born.
There is a big difference between being used of God, and being saved.
God can use the rocks to sing and glorify God, now are they saved?

See how we can prove to much?
When we prove too much we in fact prove nothing at all.
*******

Matthew,
Glad to finally see you over at Which version? That is the spot that I really was hoping for you to get to, all along.
There have been a few sites over the last couple of years that have been a real blessing and are KJB only. 

Bible Answers US: That was a real hot bed for quite a while. Had a few conversations with 1560 [Rick] Plus many others.
Takor, a Greek TR man. A real blessing.

Ezboard 76 Godsword :Where no moderating happens. So the discussions become insane at times. But much good fruit as well. Much has been lost on that site. Save all that you can, is the lesson there.

Which Version :has really been a great blessing. Wonderful men and women of God. Good debates as well. #1

Final Authority: Shain, A strong KJB man and was heavily involved in Catholic disputations.

EzBoard 67 also KJB only But primarily anti-Catholic

I have found that the vast majority are Baptists. Pre-trib and Arminianistic.

*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('189', '2b7ea90817', 'Scrivener', 'Some KJBO people have suggested that the best edition of the KJB is Scrivener\'s 1873 Paragraph Bible. However, this can be refuted on many grounds. However, Scrivener\'s cataloguing of words and the textual history of the KJB are quite useful, and it seems that the editor of the Pure Cambridge Edition did draw upon or consider Scrivener\'s researches to a point. This can be shown because many of the changes that were made in the PCE circa 1900 are also differences already to be found in Scrivener\'s work, though Scrivener had hundreds more changes which were wrong.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('190', '67e5237925', 'Scrivener\'s Bible', 'Matthew,
   I was looking around on the internet for Scrivener\'s Paragraph Bible,and I came across a comment by Rick from five years ago that stated that the Zondervan King James Version is really the Scrivener rendition.
So I looked up one of my Zondervan King James bibles 1977-1988and did find a few interesting things.
Deut.32:8 Most High
1 Sam 2:13 priests\' custom
2 Kings 19:26 housetops
Job 30:6 cliffs
Psalm 148:8 vapour
Eccl 8:17 yea further
SOS 6:12 Amminadib
Isaiah 37:27 housetops
Matt 26:39 farther
Mark 1:19 farther
1 Corinthians 4:15 instructors
*******
My Trinitarian edition does not appear to be of much help. Such bazaar readings as to the others.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('191', '7d64cf34ac', 'New Member here...', 'Hello everyone,
I just wanted to say how much I appreciate the website and the files and downloads that Matthew has provided. I have also checked my Cambridge Bibles that I have to see if they were CPE and found that my Mother\'s Bible which had a date of 1942 passed all of the sample texts that were listed on the website. I was very pleased to say the least.

However, I must say that my newer editions of the Cambridge Bible did not. They were a mixed lot,meaning that some words in the text were as they should be, while others were not. What amazed me the most was as I was going through some of my Bibles-[ I do love the King James Version,as we say here in the States ] I found a couple of Collins Edition Bibles that also passed all of the sample texts. I admit that I have not read all of the information in the bookets that were prepared for this site,so I am sure there is a logical reason for this.

I am interested in trying to make myself a loose-leaf edition of the CPE and would appreciate any advice that any one might offer. My dream would be to be able to have it bound with leather and be small enough to hold in my hands if possible. I realize that it would cost a great deal to create something like this but as I say, it is a dream I have.

I love the site and all who have helped to create it has my thanks and appreciation for all of the hard work and dedication that you have put into it!!

God bless and keep everyone in the name of the Lord Jesus!

In Christ,
John P');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('192', 'a3b12f4b90', 'Welcome', 'Welcome John.

We love good positive posts here and certainly uphold the King James Bible, so join in and enjoy. Good to hear about your mother and the PCE.

&quot;Behold, this [i:a3b12f4b90]is [/i:a3b12f4b90]the joy of his way, and out of the earth shall others grow.&quot; (Job 8:19).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('193', 'd22b081e27', 'Welcome', 'Welcome John,

I hope you continue to enjoy Matthew\'s website and this forum.

God bless.

&quot;And ye shall seek me, and find [i:d22b081e27]me[/i:d22b081e27], when ye shall search for me with all your heart.&quot; (Jeremiah 29:13)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('194', '3f405ce8c4', 'What is a King James Bible Only person?', 'I am also a King James Bible Purist (English Preservationist). 

God has divinely preserved His Word, so that we have it today, without error, and completely backed by His power.

&quot;Then said the LORD unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it.&quot; (Jeremiah 1:12).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('195', 'b988ed5da5', 'printing the Bible', '[quote:b988ed5da5]I am interested in trying to make myself a loose-leaf edition of the CPE and would appreciate any advice that any one might offer.[/quote:b988ed5da5]

There are electronic files on the website with the pure text of the King James Bible. By comparing them in a word processing program, I was able to eliminate typesetting errors in copies and make sure that I was presenting one that is exactly correct. So these can be used by people who want to do what Psalm 68:11 says.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('196', '674f11fb77', '', 'Thanks.

What about Ezra 2:26?

Scrivener\'s edition also has half italics in two words in Ezekiel 40:19, &quot;east[i:674f11fb77]ward[/i:674f11fb77]&quot; &quot;north[i:674f11fb77]ward[/i:674f11fb77]&quot;. 

Scrivener also has (but these changes could have been undone by other editors) &quot;strain out a gnat&quot; in Mattehw 23:24, &quot;hope&quot; for &quot;faith&quot; in Hebrews 10:23 and &quot;believe&quot; for &quot;believed&quot; in John 10:25.

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You say that it has

[quote:674f11fb77]Matt 26:39 farther [/quote:674f11fb77]

I have Scrivener\'s book of Matthew, and it has &quot;further&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('197', '04eb2733d3', 'Zondervan', '[quote:04eb2733d3=\"bibleprotector\"]Thanks.

What about Ezra 2:26?

Scrivener\'s edition also has half italics in two words in Ezekiel 40:19, &quot;east[i:04eb2733d3]ward[/i:04eb2733d3]&quot; &quot;north[i:04eb2733d3]ward[/i:04eb2733d3]&quot;. 

Scrivener also has (but these changes could have been undone by other editors) &quot;strain out a gnat&quot; in Mattehw 23:24, &quot;hope&quot; for &quot;faith&quot; in Hebrews 10:23 and &quot;believe&quot; for &quot;believed&quot; in John 10:25.

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You say that it has

[quote:04eb2733d3]Matt 26:39 farther [/quote:04eb2733d3]

I have Scrivener\'s book of Matthew, and it has &quot;further&quot;.[/quote:04eb2733d3]
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I must tell you that I re-read my material and my Zondervan is not a Study Bible. This could be crucial, but I will give you these verses as I have them in my Giant Print Centre Column Reference Red Letter edition.
Gaba
No italics in Ezekiel
strain at
faith
believed
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Obviously not Scrivener here as well.
I have no clear way of verifying anything as yet and have not found the scrivener KJB on the internet yet.
And I know I did see one or two somewhere.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('198', '940d058bbe', 'Scrivener', 'It may be that it was not his English that I had seen before, but it may have been his Greek work.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('199', '3553f750fd', 'Meticulous work', 'One has to be meticulous when doing the final editing of a Bible.
What a mammoth job.
I just received a Collins Pure Bible in the mail today.
I payed $3.00 for it.
It is a new shinny gloss hard cover, with a picture of Jesus on it.
2.5 inches thick. Newsprint paper,
But here is the weird thing about it.
Even though it has an ISBN number on the back,showing that it is of a recent production,and unused, it is a copy of a 1957 Oct. 13th edition.
W./R.Milligan :Lord Advocate
It also has Redpath with the pronunciation table.
Printed in Great Britain by Clays LTD.
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I also received an 1785 or less edition as well.
There is no date given on the NT title page and the OT title page is missing.
I asked the seller of a few spellings and it does agree with 1769.
The New Testament title page reads Oxford
printed by W. Jackson and A. Hamilton
I see a few dates with the two Printers from 1773-91, and I have seen Jackson\'s as early as 1770.
The &quot;s&quot; is yet as the &quot;f&quot;
It includes the first word of the next page at the bottom of the previous page.
I am going to see if it is close to a 1769 edition. Hopefully I can find something in Scrivener to determine this.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('200', 'c278d91f6d', 'Scrivener', 'Scrivener\'s Greek is around. But his English (Paragraph edition) seems hard to come by. I will see if &quot;Grandmaclair&quot; at Shain\'s board is willing to give more information on the 1896 Cambridge KJB s/he has.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('201', '9bcacf1645', 'Women in Ministry', '&quot;Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.&quot; (Romans 16:7). Paul\'s mention of Junia here is very interesting because he calls this person an apostle. Was Junia a man or a woman?

The fact is that if women in ministry were not a problem in some people\'s minds, then there would be no disputation as to Junia being a woman. Certainly, the majority of Bible scholars and today\'s name usage put [url=http://www.20000-names.com/female_j_names_3.htm]Junia[/url] as female and not male. The male variation was Junius.

Some may say that Paul\'s reference to &quot;kinsmen&quot; makes Junia a man but this is wrong reasoning. Are we to suppose that the generic &quot;men&quot; in 1 Timothy 2:4 does not include women? &quot;Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.&quot; (1 Timothy 2:4).

If Junia was a woman (and I believe she was), then this should forever put away the doctrine that Paul was against women in ministry even to the highest level in the Church.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('202', '47b0bc700f', 'Scrivener', 'Scrivener\'s Greek is imperfect. Our position is to regard the King James Bible as both an independent variety of the Textus Receptus and as the final form of the Received Text.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('203', '082f536dd6', 'Dr.Bisconti Claims Scrivener is flawless', 'Here is a quote by Dr. Bisconti, whoever he is; and he claims that Scrivener is flawless.
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[quote:082f536dd6]Copyright September 20, 2005 12:35 AM CST
By Dr. Michael J. Bisconti

The following quote was sent to us today.  It is from an unknown source, though we seem to remember reading it somewhere on the Internet:

In other words, the AV does not perfectly match the TBS Greek text, which is based on Scrivener\'s work, who attempted to reverse engineer the AV into Greek.  He did a good job, but there are a number of places he failed.

We are only addressing the underlined portion of the following portion of the above quote:

…Scrivener\'s work, who attempted to reverse engineer the AV into Greek. He did a good job, but there are a number of places he failed.

This (the underlined portion of the above quote) is INCORRECT.  There are NOT a number of places in which he failed.  Scrivener’s work is flawless.[/quote:082f536dd6]
I checked one of his pages on the complete Greek including root words and he was missing even the basics.
Theos, Telos, ...And this is after he writes down some 17,000 Greek words.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('204', 'afa38ed9f6', 'The Prosperous Church', 'In the Doctrinal Statement of Victory Faith Centre is written: &quot;Prosperity for every part of the believer’s life is in the redemption provided by the Lord Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 8:9; 2 Pet. 1:3).&quot;

Some have observed the excesses of some so-called prosperity ministries and cast away any belief that God wants His people to be financially prosperous. However, the reality is that God wants His people to spearhead His Work in the Earth and this means that money is needed to accomplish this. Obviously, the love of money is to be avoided (see 1 Timothy 6:10). Equally as important is the fact that God wants His people to come out of a poverty mindset (which sees poverty or lack as a blessing) and into a plenteous mindset (which sees propserity as God\'s blessing), so that God\'s work can continue on the Earth. &quot;The thoughts of the diligent [i:afa38ed9f6]tend [/i:afa38ed9f6]only to plenteousness; but of every one [i:afa38ed9f6]that is [/i:afa38ed9f6]hasty only to want.&quot; (Proverbs 21:5).

Let\'s examine this area since there is a massive task ahead for the Church to do, especially in the preaching of the Word of God and the publishing and distribution of King James Bibles and dissemination of information regarding this.

We should understand that &quot;the destruction of the poor [i:afa38ed9f6]is [/i:afa38ed9f6]their poverty&quot; (Proverbs 10:15b). The Christian believer should take hold of the following regarding what God has done for His people: &quot;Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies&quot; (Psalm 103:4); this destruction must include poverty, so our better covenant in Christ must cover redemption from poverty.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('214', 'e151fa6ff1', 'Prospering Christians', 'The purpose of prosperity is so that believers and the Church should:

1. Finance the preaching of the Gospel. &quot;But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.&quot; (Deuteronomy 8:18).

2. Allow for good works to be done. &quot;But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.&quot; (Hebrews 13:16).

3. Show what God is like. &quot;For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.&quot; (Romans 10:12).

The kingdom of God is based on the prosperity/growth/excelling model. &quot;And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it? It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth: But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.&quot; (Mark 4:30-32). And God\'s view for abundance, &quot;Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.&quot; (Luke 10:2).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('206', 'd428a687f8', 'Scrivener', '[quote:d428a687f8]In other words, the AV does not perfectly match the TBS Greek text, which is based on Scrivener\'s work, who attempted to reverse engineer the AV into Greek. He did a good job, but there are a number of places he failed. [/quote:d428a687f8]

I agree that Scrivener\'s work is not the standard by which we judge the English KJB. Some treat Scrivener\'s Greek work as absolute, and are using it as a basis of foreign translations. While these translations are going to be better than modern versions, they are subject to all kinds of errors, and the uptake and financial support behind them is very very very small. In fact, it is much smarter to aim to teach natives English than to get them a TR-complient translation. But that is beside the point... the real point is that Scrivener\'s Greek and Scrivener\'s KJB edition are somewhere less than the &quot;real thing&quot;, I mean, having the pure Word.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('207', '050890dc85', 'Mother\'s Cambridge Bible', 'Welcome John!
      You said that you had your mother\'s Cambridge edition that dates 1942.
Is that date written in hand writing, or is it part of the printing production?
Matthew showed me something to help in this matter a while back.
Look at the last page of Revelation.
Do you see the small numbers and letter near the bottom.
If yours really is from 1942, it would look something like this;
25 D 42
25 thousand Bibles printed on printing press D, in 1942.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('208', '866d0d0d74', 'Before 1610', 'Interesting quote?
Great answer.
I posted that on another KJB site and found them discussing the language issue.
[quote:866d0d0d74]
I believe Adam spoke english, God spoke english, and everyone\'s language was confused at the Tower of Bable. Only when God\'s complete revelation comes to man do we come back to his holy language again.

Do I have any proof for this? Nope. Does it really matter? Nope.Luke[/quote:866d0d0d74]
From Australia.
*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('209', 'c83fe44f9a', 'Truth not dependent on who believes it', 'We also need to understand that truth is not dependent on any one person or group of people supporting it or not supporting it. This means that the truth stands as such regardless of who believes. The PCE is the true pure KJB edition, even if the whole of the anti-KJBO and KJBO people said that it is not (although, praise God, there [i:c83fe44f9a]are [/i:c83fe44f9a]people who are believing as we progress).

The independence of God\'s truth means that it will stand as a measure by which all is compared to, some found wanting.

&quot;And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.&quot; (Acts 6:7). The Word of God increases in a society as it is believed as truth and obeyed. The results of this belief are clear here in the multiplication of disciples and of those who are obedient to the faith.

&quot;God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar&quot; (Romans 3:4a).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('210', 'f6437f0541', 'Pastor Craig Savige KJB Testimony early life', 'From the age of 8 until 20, I lived in bushland forest near a town called Anakie. I was not born again until the age of 18. By God\'s grace, before being saved there were two things that helped to shape my beliefs and come to a King James Bible Only position.

The first related to the gift of a Bible years before salvation. My mother gave me a King James Bible, which years later I found to be a Pure Cambridge Edition (this had been given to her by some person from the Salvation Army). This is the same Bible I use to preach to this day. As a young boy, I would every so often look at it and read parts of it. I always treated it with reverence and had great respect for what it had in it. I liked the layout and look of it as well. I believed in God and would sometimes &quot;pray&quot; in the forest, thinking about nature and the way things were. I was also quite insulated from a lot of unbelieving, anti-God ideas during these years since my neighbours were few and my interaction with others was limited (this, of course, greatly changed later in life). I read a lot of books, particularly encyclopedias and history type books.

The second thing that clearly shaped me to a KJBO position was also before I was saved. This was the recurring idea over many years that there was a perfect book with &quot;everything in it&quot; and that I would like to find it. At the time I did not connect this with the PCE I owned but it certainly became a predominant idea and one I held to, though in somewhat fanciful terms. Nevertheless, I realise now the hand of God on my life to prepare me for what was to come.

What was to come was the fiercest battle I ever faced in standing for the King James Bible as the pure Word of God. But more on this later.

&quot;For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.&quot; (Jeremiah 29:11).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('211', '68a1fef312', 'The Prosperous Church', 'Poverty means being poor, needy and in want. It is stressful, unpleasant and problematic. God doesn\'t want to see His people with ongoing problems like this in their lives.

The Bible reveals that Christians (who are in covenant with God) are redeemed from the bondage of poverty, and have become heirs of God\'s blessing and provision. This has been accomplished through the redemptive work of the Lord Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:13, 14). 

&quot;For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.&quot; (2 Corinthians 8:9).

Being in poverty means being constrained (and contained), and this can hinder a Christian\'s service to God. God wants His people free from hindrances and destructive influences and thus Jesus took the curse of poverty upon Himself at Calvary.

&quot;O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for [i:68a1fef312]there is[/i:68a1fef312] no want to them that fear him. The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they that seek the LORD shall not want any good [i:68a1fef312]thing[/i:68a1fef312].&quot; (Psalm 34:9, 10).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('212', '4374eb6f25', 'Foundation for Translation', 'BBTI uses both the King James Bible and the TR and Masoretic texts for their translating purposes.
I can now see where using only the King James as the final authority will bode much better.
Also that to teach the folk English instead of wasting multitudes of years learning their languages, and customs is way more efficient in getting fruit, unity, and more of them will know the real truth via the final standard, the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('213', 'c2a304e4df', 'Teaching English', '[quote:c2a304e4df]Also that to teach the folk English instead of wasting multitudes of years learning their languages, and customs is way more efficient in getting fruit, unity, and more of them will know the real truth via the final standard, the King James Bible.[/quote:c2a304e4df]

Amen! Now to convince all by God\'s grace.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('215', '0892ac0e3d', 'BBTI', 'As wonderful the ministry of BBTI is, it is the long way of doing things.
Yes, it only takes a year to learn the sounds of speech so that you can understand any language sound and be able to write it down etc.
BUT..
It takes many years, up to twenty-five for the learning of their language in their own setting and cultural standards, including the idioms that they use and whatnot.

Does it not make sense to reach the folk by teaching them English first, if at all possible? The ABC\'s of English are very easy. I taught my boy the ABC\'s in twelve short weeks of joy!

At the longest stretch scenario would be that one could teach children from birth and then by the tender age of five, give them the ABC\'s of the English language. And within 12 short weeks have them reading and writing in English and already understanding it.

Five years verses 25 years, is no contest.
Many will no doubt squawk at loosing their heritage.

I think that in the sixties, the government tried to do the same thing here in Canada, but they segregated the children from the adults completely, to teach the children from scratch. They may have meant well, but there were just way too many boo-boos. Including massive onslaughts of rape and abuse by many of the Catholics in charge.

Could not the whole family be taught together? Or at least with all learning at the same time?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('216', '9218a942ec', 'English First', 'Yes Peter, that is very sound.

Canada has a French problem. (And maybe Indian perservationists too.)

In Australia, they are trying to keep the Aboriginal langauges to no avail.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('217', 'ba0f539be0', 'Marketing witchcraft in video games', 'The video game industry is bigger than Hollywood and through its interactive nature can capture impressionable minds in the area of witchcraft. The Role Playing Game (RPG) is a type that encourages spellcasting and alliances with witches, wizards and false gods (eg. the Final Fantasy series). Other games, such as the PC shooter game &quot;Jericho&quot;, subtly combines the office of Chaplain with witchcraft as &quot;witches with guns&quot; - see [url=http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc44/KJBman777/JerichoGame.jpg]Jericho Game[/url]

The Bible talks about the sin of witchcraft. &quot;For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.&quot; (1 Samuel 15:23a). Involvement in such witchcraft games aligns the mind towards a rebellion against the Word of God, so they should be avoided and warned against.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('218', '0f0354d133', 'What the Bible says about the unborn child', 'The unborn child is a human being from the moment of conception. The child has a God-given spirit, and undergoes a miraculous process of physical development before birth. The child is a distinct human being, and termination of this life by abortive procedures is wrong in the sight of God.

Evolutionary philosophy backs the idea that a woman has the right to terminate this life if she wishes, as the philosophy does not support the sanctity of human life. (In this belief system, why would human life be any different from a rock, or a plant?) An alarming number of abortions are conducted in Australia. From 1995 to 2004 the average number of Medicare-funded abortions was 75,700.

The Bible reveals the special creative work that God performs on the unborn child:

&quot;For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully [i:0f0354d133]and[/i:0f0354d133] wonderfully made: marvellous [i:0f0354d133]are[/i:0f0354d133] thy works; and [i:0f0354d133]that[/i:0f0354d133] my soul knoweth right well.&quot; (Psalm 139:13, 14).

&quot;Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all [i:0f0354d133]my members [/i:0f0354d133]were written, [i:0f0354d133]which[/i:0f0354d133] in continuance were fashioned, when [i:0f0354d133]as yet there was[/i:0f0354d133] none of them.&quot; (Psalm 139:16).

The fact is that God knows the child, and has a will for the child even before it is born. The Book of Jeremiah reveals this:

&quot;Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [i:0f0354d133]and[/i:0f0354d133] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.&quot; (Jeremiah 1:5)

God has given children as an heritage and a reward, and they should be viewed this way right from the beginning of their life before birth.

&quot;Lo, children [i:0f0354d133]are[/i:0f0354d133] an heritage of the LORD: [i:0f0354d133]and[/i:0f0354d133] the fruit of the womb [i:0f0354d133]is his [/i:0f0354d133]reward.&quot; (Psalm 127:3)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('219', 'f933ab2ef2', 'The Indians of B.C.', 'Lots of negotiations have been going on between the government of Canada and the natives. The natives are claiming much land as theirs and the government is catering to it.
They get free education, cheep housing, no taxes, no police, unless of the serious nature.
Many reserves are starting to become very wealthy as they learn to handle all the resources themselves, properly.
B.C. has made many agreements with various bands as well.

The French speaking Province of Quebec tried to vote for separation a few years back and lost by a slight margin.
They are now in disarray, but many support the Sovereignty of Canada. They are left wing on the average. Also they are very Catholic.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('220', 'a2724059b7', 'Thank you everyone,glad to be here...', 'Matthew, Samantha, Peter,
Thank you for allowing a &quot;Yank&quot; Christian into the site. Please forgive my mistakes and my tendency to speak in American slang-[ which includes Southern slang which is even harder to understand]; anyway I am here by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Let me answer Peter\'s question about my Mother\'s Cambridge Bible. I forgot to add that the date was hand written 1942 [ I seem to remember it was around Christmas time-thus December-but I could be wrong here]. However, going to the back as Peter has said these lines are on the last page of Revelation 22: [ and in brackets ]

[b:a2724059b7][ 10 B 36 ] [/b:a2724059b7]

So, please advise me of what this means again. I am not sure. I confess my ignorance in these situations.

This a compact Bible that could fit in a woman\'s purse although it would need to be a large purse ]. It is easily held in your hand and the print size is very good even to me, and I have some visual problems. It does need rebinding. I hesitate because it is over lapping edgea that almost cover the whole Bible when closed. I do love it because it is my Mother\'s but I do cherish it even more. It was given to here because of her efforts in serving the Church in her home town,and also because of her efforts to teach in the morning &quot; Sunday School &quot; work with children. She would soon leave home to work in a plant during the war.

Anyway, I hope this helps and I would appreciate any replys concerning this Bible. Strangely enough, my more modern Cambridge Bibles are not of a pure text and I thought some would be. I am a collector of Bibles-King James Version only, so I have a number of the Cambridges. They were all  of an impure text.

Thank you and God bless and keep you all safe in His [ The Lord Jesus Christ ] wonderful Grace,peace and Love!

In Christ Jesus,
John Pace');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('221', 'bc9a1b9e6f', 'Cambridge Bible', 'Hi John!
 I am from Canada. I live in Kamloops, B.C.

10 B 36
would then show that there were 10 thousand Bibles printed on Printing press B in 1936.

Almost all newer Cambridge Bibles or any King James Bible is corrupt to some degree.
The pure Cambridge edition has been out of print for some 30 years.
Collins did print it up until very recently, say 2003?
*******
As you know now, the Bible needs to line up with the list of those 12 indicator verses.
Plus Ezra 2:26 should also read Geba and not Gaba.
I like to include one of my own, which is in Genesis 6:5; it should read GOD not God.
*******
You will be a little more picky in looking for King James Bibles now that you are armed with absolute truth.
I have found myself searching with more purpose as of late as well.
I also have a goodly collection of King James Bible now, and some of them are of the pure variety.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('224', 'e4fcd91005', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '&quot;Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [i:e4fcd91005]that [/i:e4fcd91005]shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.&quot; (John 16:13).

The Traditional Pentecostal aligns with the Spirit of truth in revealing the direction of God. God\'s guidance is into pure truth and so we can see that the modern versionists are allying themselves with another spirit - &quot;And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [i:e4fcd91005]spirit [/i:e4fcd91005]of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.&quot; (1 John 4:3). Hence, it is not a coincidence that the modern versions both attack the deity of Christ and minimise it by taking out His titles and changing words.

The Spirit of God has a teaching role and this must be realised by King James Bible Only believers. &quot;But the Comforter, [i:e4fcd91005]which is [/i:e4fcd91005]the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.&quot; (John 14:26). This was not just for the Apostles but also for Christians today. Traditional Pentecostalism emphasises that the Spirit teaches believers truth, so the Holy Ghost will not go against His Word but will be in full agreement with it and open it up to those who diligently seek God.

&quot;The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.&quot; (Psalm 119:130). The Spirit opens a person\'s heart, so that entrance is given to the Word of God. Without this operation of the Spirit to open people\'s eyes, there will be continued blindness and this includes holding to false doctrines. Those who persist in rebellion to God will have their understanding darkened because God will not allow such in His presence. &quot;They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; [i:e4fcd91005]and [/i:e4fcd91005]their hearts, that they cannot understand.&quot; (Isaiah 44:18).

&quot;Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:6). The operation of the Spirit is thus to give people understanding. The Traditional Pentecostals know this and their doctrine of the baptism with the Holy Ghost is all about bringing people into greater understanding of God\'s ways.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('223', '666a9a80b7', 'Just to add a thought or two here...', '[b]Greetings in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ to all who gather in His Name in Australia...
I am finding out this forum is almost as difficult as my time in Seminary! I mean to say that one has to study and be aware of all that is discussed and in the context in which it has been written.

Nevertheless, in my experience I started out using the King James Version and never had an idea that certain printings would or could be corrupted. That was when I was in my University studies and Pastoring a small-membership Church where I lived. So, I was rather overly flooded with things to do such as writing papers for my classes and attending those classes and serving my Church with all of it\'s duties and concern.

When I reached my Seminary in Atlanta,Georgia, I found out that somehow, the King James was not only not used but a joke among the Professors and many of the students. We were forced to use the RSV in our classes and studies and in any papers that were to be presented. At this point we were subjected to a new idea that we must not refer to God in any male context,only in neutral terms. One of my co-students in her final oral preaching sermon and [she also had written a paper for a review committee comprised of some Seminary Professors] made reference to God as Father. She was forced to take a class on the Femininity of God before she could graduate from Seminary. That was her punishment for calling God Father one time in her sermon.

Now, People wonder why the United Methodist Church is dying![ Note it is not dying-it is dead,period ] Now, I think we all here seem to know why this has been happening. My thought is we have walked away from the truth of Scripture to serve a new god-that of Political Correctness and Human Goodness. Now, that is my bitter summation of my seminary days.
May God have mercy for our wicked foolishness in allowing our Seminaries to teach such trash.

There were and are those who did not bow the knee to Baal and we still called on The Father, Son and Holy Ghost to guide us as we served the People of God.

Forgive me of my ranting and if this post is out place here, please forgive that as well. I have returned to the King James Version and to be more specific to the Cambridge Pure Edition. I love the Word of God in these editions.

A thank you to all who made this site possible!

In Christ Jesus,

[color=darkblue:666a9a80b7]John Pace
[/color:666a9a80b7]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('225', '73e6a12d64', 'editions and variations in the KJB', 'The problem is that modern publishers are now making various unauthorised and modernised changes in the KJB, so that editions now have:

1. reintroduced errors from the past, e.g. typographical errors from early printings, on the false basis that these are scholarly corrections to make the KJB today back into the &quot;Translators\' intended text&quot;. This is a lie of course.

&quot;Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth.&quot; (Hosea 6:5).

This is turned into &quot;shewed&quot; and then &quot;shown&quot;. See the New Cambridge Paragraph Edition.

2. retention of various wrong wordings and spellings which have persisted in some KJB editions, such as &quot;cliffs&quot; instead of &quot;clifts&quot; at Job 30:6.

3. the introduction of new words and meanings which supposedly just updates the spelling, but actually changes the words and meanings, such as &quot;bewrayeth&quot; to &quot;betrayeth&quot; in Matthew 26:73.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('226', 'e7ab5fdd9c', 'the correct KJB', 'To know about exact perfection in the English Bible is not to undermine people\'s faith or confidence, but so that they can know the truth and use a correct Bible.

Some people seem to be &quot;content&quot; with their KJBs that don\'t quite match up. Yes, it requires faith to see that there is a &quot;correct text&quot;, and requires some effort to go out and get one. That is faith in action.

&quot;Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.&quot; (2 Timothy 2:15).

(I know that many Bible Colleges are full of mockers. They cannot stop the truth from going forward though.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('227', 'af083915ac', 'Oxford Bible', 'Just received an Oxford Bible.
It has the same type of number system as the Cambridge at the end of Revelation.
Someone signed it March 25th, 1956.
The back reads: 15 M - 52.
15 thousand printed on printing press M, in 1952.
*******
Garnet 16mo
Self-pronouncing
Not Giant print, but nice a large and very readable.
Genesis 6:5 reads: God
and Sheba, sins, Gaba, are just some of the first ones I looked up.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('228', '671b8a0846', 'What are the consequences of false religion?', 'The Bible is clear that the consequence of not acknowledging Christ as Saviour is eternity in Hell. &quot;Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.&quot; (Acts 4:12)

Entire nations given over to false religions (eg Buddhism, Hinduism) are in a perilous situation according to the Word of God:

&quot;The wicked shall be turned into hell, [i:671b8a0846]and[/i:671b8a0846] all the nations that forget God.&quot; (Psalm 9:17).

Worship of false gods (eg Allah) and a life given over to false religious beliefs (eg witchcraft) is abomination in the sight of God.

&quot;And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [i:671b8a0846]whatsoever[/i:671b8a0846] worketh abomination, or [i:671b8a0846]maketh[/i:671b8a0846] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.&quot; (Revelation 21:27)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('229', '328e295bf1', 'Was the KJB inspired?', 'Was the King James Bible inspired?

No.

Inspiration has two meanings:
1. The process of the Spirit of God giving the Word of God through human penmen.
2. The quality of those words, the very words of God.

Inspiration only happened once. It happened when the men of God wrote the Scripture for the first time. This is called the “autograph”.

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16).

When God caused the Scripture to be written for the first time, which was by inspiration, He did not intend for that Scripture to be lost, but that it would be kept, preserved and copied faithfully through time. Those inspired words have been under the guiding care and superintendence of the Holy Ghost, and have been kept in the Church through history, and have been delivered to us today. We have the inspired words today, because the makers of the King James Bible were able to discern and translate the inspired Word from copies (e.g. printed Textus Receptus editions).

The King James Bible contains the inspired Word, but was not made by inspiration... the translators were not inspired from 1604 to 1611. They were godly men who could judge what was or was not the inspired Scripture, and present it properly in English.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('230', '3759f82131', 'Bible English', 'On pages 101 to 108 in the PDF file of the second draft of my book you will note that I speak about the KJB and the English language.

Interestingly, the 1769 Edition of the KJB has problems with the use of apostrophes. Scrivener attempted to &quot;correct&quot; these. Most of Scrivener\'s changes are wrong. (On page 183 of the present draft I mistakenly state that all of Scrivener\'s changes are wrong. This is incorrect.)

It is interesting that the Bible does have its own grammatical rules. Some people have said that the KJB is inconsistent with the use of my/mine, thy/thine, a/an. However, there are variations in usage depending on metre/stress and sound — e.g. Mark 3:19 “an house”, Mark 3:25 “a house”. If you read aloud the sentances with the opposite word, you will find that it doesn\'t work properly. (And its not the pure Word if you change it anyway.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('231', '9b13708b8f', 'Is the KJB inspired Scripture?', 'Is the King James Bible inspired Scripture?

Yes.

Because the Word of God has been preserved through history, despite the scattering of it, the inspired Word is present today. Therefore, the King James Bible contains the inspired Scripture, indeed, we can say is the inspired Scripture in English.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('232', '3a75d18899', 'Pretribulational &amp; Premillennial', 'This is the view of Christ\'s return at our Church:

Translation, where Christ comes in the clouds and gathers saints, go to Heaven
Tribulation on Earth for seven years, destructions on Antichrist
Return of Christ with Church to establish His Millennial reign (1000 years)
The final battle with Satan and the nations
The great white throne judgment

In 2 Thessalonians 2:3 it says there would be a &quot;falling away first&quot;. This is talking about the present trend in the Laodicean’s Church of going into apostasy.

The return of Christ for the Translation has to be unknown, but the return of Christ at Armageddon is able to be worked out by counting seven years.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('233', 'b6e38032e8', 'Defeatism wrong', 'Many people who claim to believe in the &quot;rapture&quot; have a defeatist mentality. They think that things are getting worse. That society is going down, that the Church is declining and that Christianity is barely to survive conspiracies and the emerging antichrist, false religions and everything. They think that Christ is coming to rescue the Church just before they are eaten alive by the lions...

BUT... Christ is coming for a victorious Church. Despite the darkness, the Church should be rising.

&quot;ARISE, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.&quot; (Isaiah 60:1-3).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('234', '0fe85f3687', 'Matthew and Peter', 'I noticed that in all of my KJB including the Cambridge Bibles, all of the Bibles had &quot;bewrayeth&quot; as it is spelled and did not change it. However, in most of those who had made changes did not change this word. I just found that  unusual to say the least.

Peter, you are right, I have gone through my KJB versions to check them and see if they are close to CPE. Sad to say, though, as Matthew points out that all of them except for two [ 2 ] had some form of changes. Some had more than others and some had a few. However, from what I have been able to learn here from this web site it means they did not have a correct translation of the text.

I suppose I am most surprised to learn is that no one makes any announcements about this as though they are trying to keep something secret from the Bible reading public. I did not realize that the KJB has been through so many revisions [ well of sorts I suppose you would say ].

I have a copy of a KJB that is called &quot; The Defined Bible&quot; and it is put out by a family that uses the KJB and they have not changed the text but have foot-notes at the bottom of the page to give a more modern definition to some of the words used in the KJB. Some of their work I can agree with but some I would say can be debated [ by more scholarly folk than me ]. I do believe that they are from a Baptism Fundamental background, although I am not sure about that. They are conservative all right.

Matthew, do you know how the Collins Edition came about having a CPE text? I was rather pleased to see that it had all of the verses listed that was listed on the web site. I think it was a 1958 edition. I do recall that here in the States that Collins was often linked with Cambridge in producing Bibles, although I am not sure how that came to be.

I hope everyone has a good  week and here in the States it is our Thanksgiving Holiday week. The Scriptures teach us that every day is a day to give thanks for all of God\'s blessings.

Take care and may the Lord Jesus continue to watch over keep all safe and secure!

In Christ,

John P');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('235', 'dae5b820de', 'God is the Almighty: the doctrine modern versionists deny', '&quot;The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.&quot; (Job 33:4).

God is called &quot;the Almighty&quot; because He is all powerful and nothing is too hard for Him. &quot;Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, [i:dae5b820de]and [/i:dae5b820de]there is nothing too hard for thee&quot; (Jeremiah 32:17).

Confronting questions need to be asked of those holding to modern versions:
- Was God powerful enough to get His perfect Word onto the Earth?
- Was God powerful enough to preserve His Word perfectly throughout history, DESPITE sin, sinful man, rebellion, devils, imperfect scribes etc?
- Was God powerful enough to bring about a perfect book on the Earth for man today called the Bible?

Those who believe that God is the Almighty will say &quot;Yes.&quot; to all these questions and will agree that the King James Bible is that perfect book for today. Modern versionists deny this crucial doctrine because they cannot say &quot;Yes.&quot; to these questions, even though God has made it clear that He would preserve His Word.

[b:dae5b820de]God was powerful enough to get His perfect Word on the Earth[/b:dae5b820de]: &quot;All scripture [i:dae5b820de]is [/i:dae5b820de]given by inspiration of God&quot; (2 Timothy 3:16a). All means all with nothing left out and has been &quot;given&quot; to mankind.

[b:dae5b820de]God was powerful enough to preserve His Word throughout history[/b:dae5b820de]: &quot;Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.&quot; (Psalm 12:7). Forever means that God is not restricted, even when the &quot;wicked walk on every side&quot; (see verse 8).

[b:dae5b820de]God was powerful enough to bring about a perfect book on the Earth[/b:dae5b820de]: &quot;Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book [i:dae5b820de]it is [/i:dae5b820de]written of me&quot; (Psalm 40:7). This tells us that the volume must exist and that it is in written form. &quot;And I took the little book out of the angel\'s hand, and ate it up&quot; (Revelation 10:10a). John the Apostle was representative of believers who have received the book from Heaven. &quot;For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.&quot; (Psalm 119:89). God\'s Word is settled in Heaven and now through transference settled in Earth.

The modern versionists cannot agree on any true preservation of God\'s Word because there is a great contradictory diversification of words that they claim &quot;come from God&quot;. They also claim that we cannot have a perfect Bible today, thus denying that God is the Almighty. Note the NIV preface that spouts the following doctrine of devils: &quot;Like all translations of the Bible, made as they are by imperfect man, this one undoubtedly falls short of its goals.&quot; Whilst we can agree that the NIV is imperfect, we must disgree that all translations are made by imperfect man. Specifically, the KJB is that perfect translation superintended throughout its history by the Spirit to the pure manifestation of the pure Edition, namely the Pure Cambridge Edition.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('236', '44d09e58dc', 'Preservation', '[quote:44d09e58dc]preserved through history[/quote:44d09e58dc]
By definition, preservation must mean that all meaning encompassed in the originals is conveyed to the present and beyond. The English language is the vehicle by which that meaning is conveyed for today globally.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('237', '86ea4967df', 'explaining Collins and Cambridge', 'Its PCE not CPE, though the intent and meaning I suppose is the same.

[quote:86ea4967df]However, from what I have been able to learn here from this web site it means they did not have a correct translation of the text. [/quote:86ea4967df]

No, the translation is okay in any King James Bible, just that through printers\' mistakes or deliberate choices, they sometimes have something wrong, that is to say, an impurity.

[quote:86ea4967df]I suppose I am most surprised to learn is that no one makes any announcements about this as though they are trying to keep something secret from the Bible reading public.[/quote:86ea4967df]

Historically, people have not been very aware of differences, and publishers never made much about it. At times in the 1800s it became a public issue, but was more or less resolved.

The King James Bible people today (I mean Fundamentalists) either are ignorant of the issue, or else have only a basic knowledge. There are a few which have said that we should be aware not to have errors/counterfeits or subtle changes. They have only had a low level of understanding, though have been on the right track.

[quote:86ea4967df]I did not realize that the KJB has been through so many revisions [ well of sorts I suppose you would say ]. [/quote:86ea4967df]

The KJB has been through &quot;revisions&quot;. They are changes in spelling, elimination of typographical errors and other such matters, but never actually changing the version or translation.

There are some perverted KJBs, which are really like modern versions, these are: Webster\'s KJB, the American Bible Society\'s KJB of the early 1850s, and their edition of the late 1850s (which continues to the present), the AVII (whatever that is), the New King James Version, the Modern KJV, Modern KJV II (also edited by Green), 21st Century KJV and also Scrivener\'s Paragraph Edition and Norton\'s New Paragraph Edition. These are ranging in character, but they are all vastly different to a mere Oxford, Eyre and Spottiswoode or Cambridge King James Bible.

[quote:86ea4967df]I have a copy of a KJB that is called &quot; The Defined Bible&quot;[/quote:86ea4967df]

Put out by Waite\'s &quot;Bible For Today&quot;. It uses the Concord Cambridge Edition. I would question some of the definitions, especially on sectarian issues. Waite also views the underlying Greek and Hebrew as the &quot;authority&quot;, and says that you can\'t get 100% accurate and full translations. This is wrong.

The Concord Cambridge Edition is the one that was made after the PCE in perhaps the 1970s. It took in Oxford &quot;errors&quot; (as Waite himself calls them), and thus corrupted the PCE.

It is clear that King James Bible only people, while saying the Cambridge Edition was better than Oxford, did not know about the different Cambridge editions.

[quote:86ea4967df]Matthew, do you know how the Collins Edition came about having a CPE text?[/quote:86ea4967df]

Not sure. Collins must have been printing the correct text from a very early stage, so it is possible that when the editor of the Pure Cambridge edition made the edit, and it was printed in England by Cambridge, but in Scotland by Collins. Sometimes people did work for the SPCK or BFBS etc. for the publishers.

[quote:86ea4967df]I do recall that here in the States that Collins was often linked with Cambridge in producing Bibles, although I am not sure how that came to be. [/quote:86ea4967df]

I\'m not sure about that. Collins has had World and Riverside. Cambridge had Macmillan. As far as I can tell, they are two independent publishers, which have both published an agreeing KJB edition. (All KJB publishers have their own text with their own little idiosyncrasies in it.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('238', '38df7815a1', 'God\'s power is very great', 'GOD\'S POWER IN INSPIRATION
God was powerful enough to get His perfect Word on the Earth
GOD\'S POWER IN PRESERVATION
God was powerful enough to preserve His Word throughout history
GOD\'S POWER IN PRESENT MANIFESTATION
God was powerful enough to bring about a perfect book on the Earth

&quot;Blessed be the LORD, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant.&quot; (1 Kings 8:56).

Note that God\'s power is so great that even His words in human languages, written by human hands and copied by human hands are STILL PRESENT and STILL COMING TO PASS TODAY!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('239', '090d8a2456', 'Collins', 'I do believe that there are two Collins publishers?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('240', 'f8d30190e8', 'Reply to Matthew and Peter', 'Well, first, please forgive my error in calling the PCE -a CPE. Here in the States, in order to be ordained I had to take a CPE which means Clinical Pastoral Education-which I\'m sure you know is done in a hospital or some institutional setting and you are given a grade on who you react to patients and/or members of an institution. Most people who go through it in the United Methodist system tend to say you are ripped apart and put back together again by your supervising Clergy person. We have several descriptive words for it and none which can be used in the presence of the Lord Jesus.

So, please forgive my error there. Old habits do die hard.

Thank you Matthew and Peter for sharing about the Cambridge Editions. I forgot that I had purchased an Oxford Bible that had inside the cover a hand written inscription to someone and the date is listed as 1858. Can you believe that? I had forgotten that I had purchased it on-line from E-Bay sometime back. The chapters are all in Roman numerals and the print is rather small and hard to read. It still has it\'s original cover and is brown with Holy Bible on the front and Oxford [ in the place where the name would go]. There is no lettering on the spine at all. Sad to say though, is it that does not pass the test on the Texts at all except for one or two passages. I was disappointed that it was not a pure text but I am proud that I own such an old Bible.

I am so enthralled with the PCE I was wondering if I could send the files that you have arranged to some of my pastor friends who I know use the KJB for them to download and also with a link to the web-site. Would be Ok with you or should I just send the link to the site and let them download it from there? It\'s Ok with me either way. Since you have done all the work, I do believe that you should tell me what you feel would be most proper and would suit you the best. Or if you wish I did not say anything to anyone else it would be OK with me. I just want to stay in the good graces of the group and of you, Matthew -:).

I also want thank you for answering my questions on the Collins Edition published in 1958 that has a clear text of the PCE. Here in the States, it seems that Collins, Oxford and Cambridge all seem to blend together as far as their New York Publishing Houses. As far as I know [ and which I don\'t know ] they could have all been owned by the same Corporation and owners. I am sure they are much different in the UK. and elsewhere in the Empire.

I have several newer Cambridge Bibles though not as new as the ones you mentioned that were published in the mid-to late 1970\'s that do not have the corrected texts according to the list and I am disappointed that they are not. Peter was right when he said you no longer can walk into a bookstore and pick up a KJB and assume the text is correct to PCE. Now, I am looking through our proof texts to see how accurate they are. Guess I am spoiled now because I do love the PCE Bible.

This is too long of a letter to post but I do appreciate each and everyone here and hope that you all are having a good week and that the Lord will continue to bless you in every way possible!!

In Christ,
John P');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('241', 'ac6162f8c2', 'Helps', 'Everything is public information on the Bible Protector website, and so you are free to let others know about the PCE, and to download, print it off as well as get others to download and use the PCE.

The other materials on the website which are &quot;copyright&quot; are there for believers to use as long as they don\'t alter them or (mis)use them in some contrary way to copyright law. They are intended for education and ministry, and also for general public knowledge.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('242', 'dd96d9a0f4', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for [i:dd96d9a0f4]it is [/i:dd96d9a0f4]he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as [i:dd96d9a0f4]it is [/i:dd96d9a0f4]this day.&quot; (Deuteronomy 8:18).

From this we can easily see:
(1) God is not against wealth but actually provides power to get it.
(2) God wants His people to use the wealth given to establish His covenant.

If Christians but see and understand this and related Scriptures, they will see that there is nothing that should keep them back from being prosperous and using this prosperity for the Lord. The problem comes with misdirected love, which leads to destruction: &quot;He that loveth silver shall not be satisfied with silver; nor he that loveth abundance with increase: this [i:dd96d9a0f4]is [/i:dd96d9a0f4]also vanity.&quot; (Ecclesiastes 5:10).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('243', '92aed3b263', 'Has the KJB been &quot;revised&quot;?', 'Some people say &quot;no&quot;.

What other word could be used for the times when editors looked at the King James Bible, to eliminate printing errors, or to standardise the spelling?

&quot;Revised&quot; has become a bad word because modern versions have used it to mean substantial alterations, admission of new evidence and so on.

But the world does not define terms and words for Christians.

It is proper to use the word &quot;revision&quot; in regards to the King James Bible, since various editions &quot;revised&quot; previous ones, to fix up typographical errors, to standardise the spelling and to introduce other regularisation.

These are good revisions because they did NOT alter the underlying text or translation, or ultimately change things away from the spirit and intention of the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('244', '5988854048', 'God is the Almighty: the doctrine modern versionionists deny', 'Not only can we marvel at God the Almighty\'s power, but also at His supreme intelligence and His complete benevolence. 

God does not do things by half measures, so it is consistent with His nature to provide mankind with His divinely inspired and preserved Word. 

&quot;TRULY God [i:5988854048]is[/i:5988854048] good to Israel, [i:5988854048]even[/i:5988854048] to such as are of a clean heart.&quot; (Psalm 73:1)

&quot;THE heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.&quot; (Psalm 19:1)

&quot;To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One. Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these [i:5988854048]things[/i:5988854048], that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that [i:5988854048]he is[/i:5988854048] strong in power; not one faileth.&quot; (Isaiah 40:25, 26)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('245', '189575d5eb', 'Accuracy of the King James Bible', 'The King James Bible is accurate and specific in its wording. Here is an example regarding the Flood record:

&quot;AND God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that [i:189575d5eb]was[/i:189575d5eb] with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;&quot; (Genesis 8:1). The King James Bible uses the word &quot;asswaged&quot;. This word means to calm, soothe. If the Bible says that this is what happened to the waters, then it is so; they were calmed by God.

In contrast, the NIV in Genesis 8:1 uses the word \'receded\'. The word receded has a different meaning. The word recede means to go, or shrink back or farther off. In other words, the NIV changes the account of what happened. 

Accuracy is very important to God, so for an accurate record of Creation and the Flood, look to the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('246', 'f18fad5710', 'Almighty God', 'Amen!
God is Almighty!
But you really hit on a good one Samantha!
It is just like the children of Israel saw the mighty ACTS.
But Moses saw just how and why he did things.
The moderns today can barely see the mighty acts, let alone see how he has done things as is mentioned in this important thread.
Such love that God displays in providing us his pure word.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('247', 'daf1959522', 'King James Revised', 'I would not worry about that one, Matthew.
It was obvious when I read your article with that word revised in it that you did not mean a modernistic rendition of the term.
Words do have various meanings by various folk.
You just happened to have used a word that has been in the forefront as of late. That is all. It was still understood and only fake mud was slung at best, for all could easily see what you were driving at with all your posts in the first place.
You can use \'revised\' if you wish. And just maybe give it a biblically good definition in the journey.
The folk over at Which Version all knew what you meant, from both sides of the issue; even if a topic was attempted to be started over it.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('248', '6133745eb3', 'Different meanings', '[quote:6133745eb3]Words do have various meanings by various folk.[/quote:6133745eb3]
Yes, that\'s right. The problem with the modernists is that they are now excluding concepts from their thoughts that are present in the King James Bible. People need to come to the Biblical definition and recognise the intrusion into the minds of people who accept the modern versions. For example, the word &quot;ghost&quot; in the King James Bible has a particular meaning that differs from and is left out of modernist definitions (you can download this sermon on the main Bible Protector site). This also applies to other words, such as &quot;fowls&quot; (which means &quot;flying creatures&quot;, thus including bats and insects), &quot;devils&quot;, &quot;firmament&quot; etc.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('249', '58843dd3f6', 'Redpath', 'Here is the pronunciation table for the King James Bible. It was made by Henry Redpath and is found in many copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition.

PDF directly based on Cambridge Bible:

[url]www.bibleprotector.com/Redpath_table.pdf[/url]

JPG image from Collins Bible:

[url=http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc262/bibleprotector/collinsredpath.jpg]Redpath[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('250', '7ac135db91', 'The power in the preaching', 'The Word of God is preached faithfully and man then must choose to believe. This choice brings the power of God into a person\'s life. We can see this in the following Scriptures: &quot;For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.&quot; (Romans 1:16) and &quot;For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.&quot; (2 Thessalonians 2:13).

It is clear that if there is no preaching of the Word, then there will be no opportunity to believe the Word and so no power will be present and no faith will arise. This is the predominant reason, for example, why there is no faith in some congregations for things that are clearly in the Bible, such as healing, the baptism with the Holy Ghost and Biblical prosperity. It also explains why there are far fewer true conversions in the modernist, entertainment &quot;churches&quot; - stories, exaggerations and modern version concepts have replaced the preaching of the pure Word.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('251', 'ddecba9956', 'Women in Ministry', 'There has been a great limiting of what God can do in the minds of many, and women being used of God is one great example of this. If the way of God is seen to use [b:ddecba9956]all [/b:ddecba9956]of His people, then there are no problems.

&quot;And they remembered his words, And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest. It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary [i:ddecba9956]the mother [/i:ddecba9956]of James, and other [i:ddecba9956]women that were [/i:ddecba9956]with them, which told these things unto the apostles. And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.&quot; (Luke 24:8-11). For whatever reason, the fact is that the apostles doubted the words that came from the women who were witnesses to the tremendous fact that Christ had risen. God had entrusted the women to deliver a message. They delivered it, yet there was doubt.

When Jesus appeared to the apostles, He rebuked them sharply. &quot;Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?&quot; (Luke 24:25,26). The women had spoken in line with the Word of God and in complete agreement with that He had prophesied. The reality is this: God used women to communicate to, and indeed to teach, men even to the level of apostles. What possible reason could anyone have to think that He could not and does not do the same today both publicly and privately?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('252', '4b3d45aeb1', 'Women in Ministry', 'True ministers are ordained by God, and some women in the Body of Christ have a definitive ministerial role. The function of true ministers is to point people to the authority of Christ, and to teach about the necessity of obedience to God. This is what Mary the mother of Jesus did in the following verses:

&quot;AND the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do [i:4b3d45aeb1]it[/i:4b3d45aeb1].&quot; (John 2:1-5).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('253', 'f183f06384', 'Cultural warfare', 'Sir Henry Parkes said that &quot;Things may be worse before they are better&quot;, which is actually a quote from Oliver Saint John, a leader in the English Civil Wars (1640s).

The problem is that if there is progression away from the Bible and tradition, things can indeed become quite bad. Indeed, things have been steadily growing worse over the years.

The Church can be blamed, but it is because the world has been allowed to enter into Christianity, and because many Christians have compromised with the world.

Yet, Christ said that He is building the Church. The warning is that He will spue out all such problems, and cause there to be national changes on the right and proper basis.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('254', '5e8e471ae0', 'Biblical culture', 'The Biblical culture starts with the Church of God. This is because it is the Church that sets down the truth of the Word of God. Note the following: &quot;But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.&quot; (1 Timothy 3:15).

Those in the congregation must be prepared in their hearts to receive the truth and mix with faith what they hear, otherwise there will be no positive change in their lives. &quot;For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [i:5e8e471ae0]it[/i:5e8e471ae0].&quot; (Hebrews 4:2). The people of God must flourish, which means that they must be growing. This is the type of people that can affect the world for God. &quot;Those that be planted in the house of the LORD shall flourish in the courts of our God.&quot; (Psalm 92:13).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('255', 'af2d394b52', 'Hearing God', 'The voice of God can be a quiet voice in our hearts, or literally out loud to us, so it’s important to make an effort to listen to Him. For example:

“And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD [i:af2d394b52]came[/i:af2d394b52] to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah? And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: for the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, [i:af2d394b52]even[/i:af2d394b52] I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away. And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; [i:af2d394b52]but[/i:af2d394b52] the LORD [i:af2d394b52]was[/i:af2d394b52] not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; [i:af2d394b52]but[/i:af2d394b52] the LORD [i:af2d394b52]was[/i:af2d394b52] not in the earthquake: And after the earthquake a fire; [i:af2d394b52]but[/i:af2d394b52] the LORD [i:af2d394b52]was[/i:af2d394b52] not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice. And it was [i:af2d394b52]so[/i:af2d394b52], when Elijah heard [i:af2d394b52]it[/i:af2d394b52], that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, [i:af2d394b52]there came [/i:af2d394b52]a voice unto him, and said, What doest thou here, Elijah?” (1 Kings 19:9–13)

Hearing God can involve filtering out certain other voices to focus on what God is saying.

“There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them [i:af2d394b52]is[/i:af2d394b52] without signification.” (1 Corinthians 14:10).

This is why He has told us to be still, and to meditate (see Joshua 1:8), and wait upon Him. 

“Be still, and know that I [i:af2d394b52]am[/i:af2d394b52] God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.” (Psalm 46:10)

“But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew [i:af2d394b52]their[/i:af2d394b52] strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; [i:af2d394b52]and[/i:af2d394b52] they shall walk, and not faint.” (Isaiah 40:31).

The process of listening to God involves attention (see Proverbs 4:20, 21) and discipline. The result is keeping the heart safe from error and keeping us grounded in God\'s truth and blessing.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('256', 'a74ca43290', 'Biblical culture', 'People say that the USA is going to hell in a handbasket, that things are getting worse... in Australia there are abortions, many drunks, fornicators, sodomites and all kinds of false &quot;Christians&quot;. Unless the individual believer is submitted to God, there cannot be postive changes in the nation.

&quot;I BESEECH you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.&quot; (Romans 12:1, 2).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('257', '1b3e49dfed', '1762 edition', 'Ebay had a 1762 edition sell for some $2,000.00 this week.
Would have been interesting to see the actual text of that one for comparison sake.
I found a site that claims to have the 1769 edition for reading. I have not done any reading there yet to do any collation.
http://bible.2go2.tv/');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('258', 'c7ca1364fc', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'Smith Wigglesworth spoke of &quot;the biblical standard of the Word of God&quot; in his August 1927 sermon &quot;God\'s Treasure House&quot;: &quot;If you have held anything on a human plane, no matter how it has come, if it is not according to the biblical standard of the Word of God, let it be weeded out. If you do not get it weeded out, there is a time coming that wood, hay, and stubble will be burned and the gold, the silver, and the precious stones will stand the fire.&quot;

With the King James Bible as that standard, then we can measure against it. There are whole sections of so-called Pentecostalism that needs extensive weeding because the biblical standard has been forsaken for another word. It has been Satan\'s strategy to take away the Word of God from the people and the churches: &quot;And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.&quot; (Mark 4:15).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('259', '422124d1aa', 'Bibles', 'Various people claim that the present Bible is the &quot;1769 Edition&quot;. In fact, on the website above, it is the Concord Cambridge Edition.

Note that the typefaces are named after stones: garnet, ruby, etc.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('260', '3da0b2816d', 'A PCE Bible', 'Newbie here. Recognize the names.

Is there a PCE BIble for sale in the States as leather bound?  Or in Australia, shippable to the States?

Thanks.

His,
Bob Zuvich');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('261', 'd2f5c5b154', 'getting a leather PCE', 'Hi there Zukester, seen your KJB teachings elsewhere.

You should be able to use the PCE list to find a good quality second hand copy around in the States.

[color=darkblue:d2f5c5b154][b:d2f5c5b154]This is a tip anyone can do: find out the warehouses where the current &quot;Bible&quot;/Christian bookstores are supplied from, and then find out from these distributors/suppliers if they have PCEs.[/b:d2f5c5b154] [/color:d2f5c5b154]E.g. some HarperCollins Bibles might fit the bill. We have W. A. Buchanon and Son in Queensland, Australia, and were able to get the last dregs (in their eyes) of leather PCEs from them, as far as I can tell.

The Bible Protector ministry is currently selling cheap style PCEs. You can buy one of these and get them rebound. But these are just plain text, with no pronouncings or centre column. Likewise you can get the file(s) off the website and get some printer to make one up for you.

At the moment, the best option is to find an existing Cambridge or Collins, William Collins, HarperCollins, Collins World or Riverside PCE. I have found a number over time, and sometimes some are in very good condition (maybe printed in the 1950s).

The PCE list is as follows:

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[color=orange:d2f5c5b154]HOW TO KNOW THE 
PURE CAMBRIDGE EDITION OF THE KING JAMES BIBLE

It is important to have the correct, perfect and final text of the King James Bible, since there are correctors (e.g. publishers) who have changed some aspects of King James Bible texts. The final form of the King James Bible is the Pure Cambridge Edition (circa 1900), which conforms to the following:

1. “or Sheba” not “and Sheba” in Joshua 19:2

2. “sin” not “sins” in 2 Chronicles 33:19

3. “Spirit of God” not “spirit of God” in Job 33:4

4. “whom ye” not “whom he” in Jeremiah 34:16

5. “Spirit of God” not “spirit of God” in Ezekiel 11:24

6. “flieth” not “fleeth” in Nahum 3:16

7. “Spirit” not “spirit” in Matthew 4:1

8. “further” not “farther” in Matthew 26:39

9. “bewrayeth” not “betrayeth” in Matthew 26:73

10. “Spirit” not “spirit” in Mark 1:12

11. “spirit” not “Spirit” in Acts 11:28

12. “spirit” not “Spirit” in 1 John 5:8[/color:d2f5c5b154]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('262', 'ee9876bac6', 'Christ coming for a spotless Church', 'The reality is that Christ is coming for a victorious and spotless Church, not one caught in a snare of conformity to the world or corrupted in the mire of filthy modern versions.

&quot;Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.&quot; (Ephesians 5:25b-27).

The &quot;washing of water by the word&quot; demands a pure Word. This is how the restitution of the Church is accomplished. The Christ preached about is the Christ of purity! &quot;I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.&quot; (Galatians 1:6,7). The perversion of the gospel of Christ continues to this day and true Christians must separate from this wherever it is being done; this includes separating from the false Bibles.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('263', '307dc22862', 'the true sense of the words', 'The Bible says that Ezra gave the sense of the words: &quot;So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.&quot; (Nehemiah 8:8). This shows us that the godly people use words and define the meanings, not the world.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('264', '489fcab8bc', 'God Defines His Own Terms', 'Amen! God gives us his godly definitions and only from godly folk that do know their God shall be strong and do exploits, displaying the truth of the word of God.
Powerful.
The word of God is quick and POWERFUL!
A slug is active, but not powerful.
They [the unsaved scholarly critic] have dummied down the church if they believe the new interpretations and the changed dictionary terms. 

The Bible defines its own terms very well, thank you.
Par excellence!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('265', '662bc9986a', 'Leather Pure Cambridge Edition.', 'I was blessed a few weeks ago to buy a Leather Teacher\'s Edition of the Holy Bible. King James Version, Pure Cambridge Edition.[Ebay]
Centre Column
Pronouncing
Bible Dictionary
Concordance
Bible Atlas
Unread.
Excellent shape.
There is a crack in the binding appearing in the end with the concordance when I open it up.But the rest is immaculate, some pages still stick to each other because of the gold edges.
30,000 of these were printed [D] in 1950.
So they are out there as Matthew explained.
I have found some even in the local second hand book stores or even the Salvation Army, where they will most likely give it away for free.

Great to see you here Bob!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('266', '6c697ffc11', 'What are the consequences of false religion?', 'The Holy Bible is the truth (see John 17:17), so any religion teaching contrariwise to Christianity and correct Biblical teaching is therefore false. The right approach to take, if trying to determine if a belief or teaching is false, is compare it to the Scripture (King James Bible - PCE), and see if it agrees. The Bible encourages this:

&quot;For what saith the scripture?&quot; (Romans 4:3a).  The Bible is to be recognised as the final authority.

Testing false religious beliefs against Scripture exposes their errors. Believers should practice sound Biblical judgement in this area.

&quot;Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.&quot; (John 7:24).

False religions can be subtle in their deception (eg a lot of people are deceived into thinking Roman Catholicism is Christianity). We can learn an important lesson from the Berean believers in their sincere approach:

&quot;And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming [i:6c697ffc11]thither[/i:6c697ffc11] went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.&quot; (Acts 17:10, 11).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('267', '833ada5d1b', 'Women in Ministry', 'Mary was an example of a virtuous woman. Such women acknowledge that they are servants of God. &quot;And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.&quot; (Luke 1:38). As the handmaid of the Lord, she was prepared to do what God told her to do. Women with a calling also must do what God tells them to do and this will always be in agreement with the Word of God.

&quot;And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod\'s steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.&quot; (Luke 8:2,3). These women had their calling and ministry to the Lord - they supported the Lord in His earthly ministry. As a supporting ministry, theirs was very important and not to be belittled. Whatever the Lord calls any of His people to do, they should do with a glad heart. &quot;For a day in thy courts [i:833ada5d1b]is [/i:833ada5d1b]better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.&quot; (Psalm 84:10).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('268', 'a86a442406', 'Septuagint', 'If we look at the Septuagint issue today, we find:

1. that it was known and referred to by the translators of the King James Bible
2. that the translators held it in fairly low esteem, highlighted that it contained errors and doubted the stories of its making
3. that it was not used as exclusive Scripture by the Early Church, since quotations of the Old Testament in the New Testament do not directly match up with the LXX.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('269', 'e7d7d2c94e', 'Kent Hovind', 'Here is a place to find lots of good creationist material:

[url]http://www.drdino.com/articles.php[/url]

Kent Hovind\'s lectures (videos) are downloadable here:

[url]http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php[/url]

Kent Hovind uses the King James Bible, and he is presenting the best creationist material I have seen and heard.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('270', '0ed2900aca', 'Hovind and the KJB', '[quote:0ed2900aca]Kent Hovind uses the King James Bible, and he is presenting the best creationist material I have seen and heard.[/quote:0ed2900aca]
Agreed! Even if there are some areas of disagreement (very few though), there is loads of good stuff, which only goes to show that sticking with the KJB is the way to go for creationists.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('271', '356ce5d200', 'Hearing God', '&quot;Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.&quot; (Luke 8:18).

Taking heed [b:356ce5d200]how [/b:356ce5d200]we hear is very important. Are we giving God the attention He deserves? Attentive hearing is truly listening to God, which will then result in action. In fact, the action will show that we have indeed been hearing and this will manifest God\'s victory and blessing in our lives.

&quot;But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.&quot; (James 1:22).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('272', '0b912358b3', 'What is Biblical preaching?', '&quot;Thy word [i:0b912358b3]is [/i:0b912358b3]a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.&quot; (Psalm 119:105).

The Word of God must be the standard for the people of God. When there is deviation from using the pure Bible, then this will have a definite effect in the path that people follow. Preaching along the line of the pure Word will be the lamp that the people of God need; how much is it desperately needed in today\'s modernist-ridden churches. Repentance from deserting the old ways must be the start for many, so that there can be an agreement with truth. &quot;We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.&quot; (1 John 4:6). With the King James Bible in hand, the preacher has the equipment to combat the spirit of error. &quot;He that is of God heareth God\'s words: ye therefore hear [i:0b912358b3]them [/i:0b912358b3]not, because ye are not of God.&quot; (John 8:47).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('358', 'cee20f02a0', 'Spiritual gifts', 'It is important for the Pentecostal believer to understand the following: &quot;But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.&quot; (1 Corinthians 12:31). The &quot;more excellent way&quot; does not nullify the coveting of the spiritual gifts but shows how they are to be operated, namely in charity.

The ignorance of spiritual gifts is very great in our time. This ignorance is manifested either in complete lack of understanding as to what they are, or in misapplication and misuse (or even fabrication). &quot;Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.&quot; (1 Corinthians 12:1).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('275', '33dd1b1f28', 'Cody\'s Testimony', 'When I was a little kid, I always thought I believed in God. My friend told me that if I would pray to God, I would be saved. Well, I did and I went all through my childhood thinking I was saved. My mom and dad never went to church, so the only time I went to church was on Easter. Then one day my grandparents started going back to church. They called my house and invited me to go to church with them. So I started going to church every Sunday with them. There would be days I hated to go. I thought church was boring and I would always try to think of some excuse not to go, but thankfully my mom made me go. I didn\'t like her telling me what to do then, but later I would find out that she was doing the biggest favor she would ever do for me in my life.

One day I was sitting down, listening to the preacher preach like always. He started preaching and I my heart began to feel heavy. I started to realize that I really wasn\'t saved. Jesus spoke to my heart that night and told me that if I didn\'t get saved, I was going to hell. The preacher gave an altar call for anyone who was lost. I thought about going up there, but then I got nervous and thought that people would laugh at me. The altar call ended and the preacher dismissed church. My mom and I got in her car to go home. As we was driving away from church, I bursted out in tears. I told my mom that God spoke to me and I needed to get saved because I was lost. So the next Sunday I went to church. I sat down in my seat and the preacher started to preach. I was shaking in my seat because I knew he was going to give an altar call. I was so scared to go up there, but I know that if I didn\'t go that night, I might not have another chance because death may come for anyone at anytime. The preacher got done preaching and said that he was going to give an altar call and that anyone could come if they felt that they needed to be saved. I remember getting up out of my seat and taking the first step. The first step was so hard, but after the first step, I felt that I was being carried up to the altar. I could not feel my legs when I was walking up to the altar. I bent down at the altar and began to cry. I prayed to Jesus that he would save me. All of my church was at the altar praying for me, including my grandpa. When I got done praying, I stood up with tears in my eyes. I felt that God had took my heavy heart and lightened it. It was the best feeling in the world, it was unexplainable. My grandpa gave me a hug and I saw that everyone was in tears. The preacher asked me if I was lost and I proudly said &quot;Not anymore.&quot;

After that day, every Sunday I would want to go to church because it was a blessing to me to hear God\'s word. Going to church also helps me get by in my life. Praying has also helped me get threw a lot of life\'s troubles. It feels good to know that I have someone to talk to anytime I want. I can talk to God about anything and He always helps me by His will.

Later in my Christian life, I begin to realize that God had preserved His Words in the King James Bible through much study.  God has blessed me beyond what I deserve.  I thank Him for His Blood, His Love and His Pure Words.  I also have a website that is for fellowship, study and defending the King James Bible, if anyone would like to check it out, here is the link...

http://baptist1611.vze.com/

Love in Christ and God Bless');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('276', '88aa913cde', 'believe the Scripture', 'Hi Cody.

The Bible says, &quot;And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.&quot; (Acts 13:48).

This means that when we are saved, it is because we believed a specific message based on the Scriptures. Likewise for why we use the King James Bible. So, what verses did you hear and believe?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('277', 'ca498a4a09', 'The Prosperous Church', 'The abundance of God toward His people cannot be denied. For the Israelites, He gave the following: &quot;A land wherein thou shalt eat bread without scarceness, thou shalt not lack any [i:ca498a4a09]thing [/i:ca498a4a09]in it; a land whose stones [i:ca498a4a09]are [/i:ca498a4a09]iron, and out of whose hills thou mayest dig brass.&quot; (Deuteronomy 8:9) and told them not to forget Him - &quot;Beware that thou forget not the LORD thy God&quot; (Deuteronomy 8:11a).
 
God has not changed and still cares for His people, not so that they squander abundance on lusts but so that they can be channels of the blessing of God to do the work of God on the Earth. &quot;And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all [i:ca498a4a09]things[/i:ca498a4a09], may abound to every good work&quot; (2 Corinthians 9:8).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('278', '9e34125209', '', 'It has been quite awhile back and I don\'t remember what verses the preacher was preaching from.  I believe that Jesus died, was buried and rose again on the third day by the power of God.  The Blood has washed my sins away.  God is good.

I believe what Romans 10:9 says.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('279', '5985d6ab99', 'the word of salvation', 'The Scripture says, &quot;For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God&quot; (Ephesians 2:8).

To get saved we need to have faith. And to get faith we need to hear, and we need to believe the Word, &quot;So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.&quot; (Romans 10:17).

Being born again is by hearing the Word and believing it. &quot;Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. ... But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.&quot; (1 Peter 1:23, 25).

People must come to realise the truth as contained in the Scripture to be born again. There needs to be a specific acknowledging of the Word of God (that is, to hear some verses and to actually believe them) to come to the knowledge of salvation.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('280', '74423ec1bd', 'Which Electronic Text does one use?', 'Here is a site I found about a Year ago.
It includes two variations of Scrivener\'s Greek text.
I have never seen an English text,however.
If there is even one in existence.Maybe someone did one from his Greek?
Don\'t know the info.

[url=http://webnet77.com/cgi-bin/bible/bible.cgi?BIBLE=29&amp;BOOK=69&amp;CHAP=40&amp;SEARCH=jesus%20king%20lord&amp;Read=Read&amp;FIRST=OK/]Scrivener[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('281', '85f101f445', 'Scrivener\'s KJB', 'Scrivener\'s English (an edition of the KJB) was made by himself. It was made in 1873. His book is really an advertising work explaining it. The people at www.logos.com were going to use Scrivener\'s KJB for their software, but were planning to use Norton\'s edit instead. (Norton\'s edit is like Scrivener\'s in many ways.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('282', '21eb2dfc9c', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'God\'s way is ordered, not confused. He has a way that He determines and it is a blessed way. &quot;For God is not [i:21eb2dfc9c]the author [/i:21eb2dfc9c]of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:33). Thus, the chaos of modern versions cannot have come from God and the Traditional Pentecostal will know this because the way of truth is ordered, not confused. The King James Bible is [b:21eb2dfc9c]the one Bible for mankind[/b:21eb2dfc9c] and contradicts the modernists on every level.

The very chapter that says God is not the &quot;author of confusion&quot; also speaks of Pentecostal doctrine, especially that of the gift of tongues. It is a great irony that the pancosmics have adopted the modernist way, yet the ordered way is explained in 1 Corinthians 14. The Traditional Pentecostals know that God is mighty and powerful and the Spirit gives order and beauty to the Christian believer who is open to Him. &quot;Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying [i:21eb2dfc9c]serveth [/i:21eb2dfc9c]not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:22). The unknown tongues (unknown to the speaker) are a sign to &quot;them that believe not&quot; because it shows that [b:21eb2dfc9c]God is in control of all language[/b:21eb2dfc9c] - the positive conclusion that man can come to is that God can easily preserve His Word perfectly throughout all history, regardless of the opposition!

Many anti-Pentecostals know nothing of the Traditional Pentecostal way, so come to false conclusions. This hinders their opening to revelatory paths in speaking to the world the knowledge that there is indeed only one Bible! If the anti-Pentecostals make the wrong judgments, it is detrimental and must be repented of: &quot;There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [i:21eb2dfc9c]are [/i:21eb2dfc9c]the ways of death.&quot; (Proverbs 14:12).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('283', 'db8c32b1ff', 'Preaching Again', 'The Pastor asked me to preach again.
Praise the LORD!
Don\'t know what.
Will have to seek God and stay off the computer for awhile?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('284', 'f54da45982', 'Preaching', 'Keep up the good work, Peter, and preach the truth.

&quot;Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.&quot; (John 17:17).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('285', 'ae68148cfa', 'Hearing God', 'Several people in the Bible had the leading of God provided to them via dreams. God does lead people and assist them in this way. The Lord visited Solomon in a dream:

&quot;In Gibeon the LORD appeared to Solomon in a dream by night: and God said, Ask what I shall give thee. And Solomon said, Thou hast shewed unto thy servant David my father great mercy, according as he walked before thee in truth, and in righteousness, and in uprightness of heart with thee; and thou hast kept for him this great kindness, that thou hast given him a son to sit on his throne, as [i:ae68148cfa]it is [/i:ae68148cfa]this day. And now, O LORD my God, thou hast made thy servant king instead of David my father: and I [i:ae68148cfa]am but [/i:ae68148cfa]a little child: I know not [i:ae68148cfa]how[/i:ae68148cfa] to go out or come in. And thy servant [i:ae68148cfa]is[/i:ae68148cfa] in the midst of thy people which thou hast chosen, a great people, that cannot be numbered nor counted for multitude. Give therefore thy servant an understanding heart to judge thy people, that I may discern between good and bad: for who is able to judge this thy so great a people? And the speech pleased the Lord, that Solomon had asked this thing.&quot; (1 Kings 3:5-10).

God\'s leading will always be in agreement with the Scripture. To be wise in the area of recognising the voice of God is to understand this fact.

Another example of God\'s guidance given via dreams is to the wise men and Joseph:

&quot;And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way. And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt&quot; (Matthew 2:11-14).

God speaks to the heart (the inner man) which obviously has the ability to hear, whether a person is awake or asleep. When He speaks to people, He wants them to listen and obey, which will lead to blessing and safety.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('286', 'd47fe62943', 'Catholic plottings, the left and the rise of truth', 'Hughes, Prime Minister of Australia during the First World War, told Lloyd George, Prime Minister of Britain, &quot;The Irish question is at the bottom of all our difficulties in Australia. They — the Irish [Catholics] — have captured the political machinery of the labour organisations — assisted by the Syndicalists and IWW people [socialists and communists]. The church [i.e. Rome] is secretly against recruiting [for the war effort]. Its influence killed conscription. One of their archbishops — Mannix — is a Sinn Feiner — and I am trying to make up my mind whether I should prosecute him for statements hindering recruiting or deport him.&quot; [Note, that when the USSR collapsed, soon afterwards so did the IRA! The Vatican adapted its plans and made a show of “conciliation”.]

This quote is taken from page 262 “The Lion and the Kangaroo” by Gavin Souter. He goes on to explain that Australian society was in two factions.

Broadly, the traditionalists, military, establishment, Protestants, conservatives and so one formed on part. On the other part, were communists, radicals, socialists, freethinkers, libertines, Catholics and so on. This might be termed the distinction between the political right and the political left.

It must be evident that Catholic agents have been broadly working with the left, or in alliance with (some of) them, most particularly directed against the Protestant, lawful and proper tradition society. While certain Catholics may bemoan the “moral depravity” of modern society, Catholic involvement with the largely selfish-oriented left has weakened the resistance of orderly society. But Romanism has not been able to take a repressive role, since that would alienate most of its tentative followers as well as its humanist allies.

The bottom thought in Romanism is the same which is in the New Age, or Socialism, or the United Nations or the New World Order, namely, to make good old Protestant Nationalism evil (British Empire, USA). Biblical Nationalism, which is not mere conservativism, but adoptive, restorative and triumphalist with the proper religious basis and secularist tools coming into play and fitting into place is the way by which the antichrist operations (and the daughters of the whore) are being thwarted.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('287', '433489c0c4', 'Misinformation on the KJB', '[quote:433489c0c4][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Bible[/url]
Accessed 9th of December, 2007.
The current text
Current printings of the Authorized Version are typically based on an edition published at the University of Oxford in 1769, edited by Benjamin Blayney, who sought consistently to remove those elements of the 1611 and successive subsequent editions, that were due to the vagaries of printers. Apart from supplemental material, differences between the texts are chiefly limited to the correction of apparent errors and verbal adjustments in printing, and the updating and standardisation of punctuation and spelling; although some of these updatings do alter the ostensible sense - as when the original text of Genesis 2:21 &quot;in stead&quot; (in that place) was updated to read &quot;instead&quot; (as an alternative). In addition, Blayney thoroughly revised and greatly extended the italicisation of &quot;supplied&quot; words not found in the original languagues by cross-checking against the presumed source texts. Unfortunately, he assumed that the translators of the 1611 New Testament had worked from the 1550 Stephanus edition of the Textus Receptus, rather than from the later editions of Beza; and accordingly the current standard text mistakenly &quot;corrects&quot; several dozen readings where Beza and Stephanus differ (Scrivener 1884). Like the 1611 edition, the 1769 Oxford edition included the Apocrypha; although Blayney consistently removed marginal cross-references to the Books of the Apocrypha, wherever these had been provided by the original translators. Altogether, Blayney\'s 1769 text differed from the 1611 text in around 100,000 places; but since that date, only six further changes have been introduced to the standard text - although 30 of Blayney\'s proposed changes have subsequently been reverted.
In 2005, Cambridge University Press released its New Cambridge Paragraph Bible with Apocrypha, edited by David Norton, which modernized the spelling again to present-day standards and introduced quotation marks; while restoring the 1611 text, so far as possible, to the text as intended by its translators.[/quote:433489c0c4]

ANALYSIS:

[quote:433489c0c4]Genesis 2:21 &quot;in stead&quot; (in that place) was updated to read &quot;instead&quot; (as an alternative).[/quote:433489c0c4]

Are we to believe that the 1611 really meant &quot;in stead&quot; but now the KJB means &quot;instead&quot;? Nay, rather, did it not mean &quot;instead&quot; in 1611, and the printer just put a space in that word, as was acceptable at that time?

[quote:433489c0c4]Unfortunately, he assumed that the translators of the 1611 New Testament had worked from the 1550 Stephanus edition of the Textus Receptus, rather than from the later editions of Beza; and accordingly the current standard text mistakenly &quot;corrects&quot; several dozen readings where Beza and Stephanus differ[/quote:433489c0c4]

This is a lie and misinformation. First, the translators of the KJB used both Stephanus and Beza, as Scrivener actually shows. Second, Blayney\'s corrections of this sort were not actually changing the King James Bible. Third, Blayney\'s corrections were not in this regard mistaken or wrong. (Blayney did make the mistake of rendering &quot;hers&quot; as &quot;her\'s&quot;, but that is a different issue altogether.)

[quote:433489c0c4]Blayney consistently removed marginal cross-references to the Books of the Apocrypha[/quote:433489c0c4]

Actually, some still remain in the margins.

[quote:433489c0c4]Altogether, Blayney\'s 1769 text differed from the 1611 text in around 100,000 places;[/quote:433489c0c4]

This astronomical number must count each character as a &quot;place&quot;, and probably (?!) every character of the apocrypha too.

[quote:433489c0c4]but since that date, only six further changes have been introduced to the standard text[/quote:433489c0c4]

Errr... what is that &quot;standard text&quot;? More than six differences may be found, such as the once-oft-repeated 116 errata of the 1769 Edition.

[quote:433489c0c4]although 30 of Blayney\'s proposed changes have subsequently been reverted.[/quote:433489c0c4]

Is this referring to Concord Cambridge Edition differences to the Oxford Edition?

[quote:433489c0c4]restoring ... to the text as intended by its translators[/quote:433489c0c4]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. This is a modernist\'s opinion on what he thinks the translators wanted, not based in received tradition according to the Spirit of God.

Anyone with simple belief in the King James Bible is in a vastly superior position to this obvious misinformation.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('288', '1f32e55433', 'What is Biblical preaching?', '&quot;Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.&quot; (Acts 20:28). The overseers of the Church - the ministers of God - are instructed to feed the Church. This is very important if the people of God are to be nourished and grow.

Paul warned of other types of preachers who would be wolves to the flock: &quot;For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.&quot; (Acts 20:29,30). The &quot;peverse things&quot; spoken and preached by such false ministers are things at variance with the Word of God.

Paul the Apostle gave the direction for the people of God to be fed by the Word of God, knowing that this would build them up and strengthen them for the work ahead. &quot;And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.&quot; (Acts 20:32).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('289', '4f216ba590', 'Misinformation', 'Those who are foolish enough to get their source of &quot;truth&quot; from Wikepedia are destined to get false information. We know that sinners have a distorted view of history and spiritual things because they are in darkness. The Bible tells us to go to &quot;the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth&quot; (1 Timothy 3:15b). 

The Church is where the Spirit of truth is present: &quot;Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [i:4f216ba590]stone[/i:4f216ba590]; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.&quot; (Ephesians 2:19-22).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('290', 'b7c16c3219', 'Wickedpedia', 'I have to be desperate to go to that wicked site.
Then, when I get the answer I need, I make sure not to let it be the final authority.
I have deleted that site from my files almost as soon as I found it.
I have spent less than one hour total on that wicked site.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('291', 'd2be0dec67', 'Wickedpedia', 'The problem with it is that: 1. It is fairly unmoderated, and free for various public alteration, and 2. it changes frequently due to ongoing editing. Some of the information can be at times quite useful. It\'s fairly relative stuff though. Apparently &quot;conservapedia&quot; is better.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('292', 'be2051f854', 'Conservapedia', 'Never heard of that one.
Maybe it will bode somewhat better?
Thanx for the info!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('293', '606373bd6f', 'American AV Readings', 'I have a large King James Bible from 1968. 
Dominion Publishers. Chicago Ill.
It contains a small chart of 
SPELLING CHANGES
From the King James Version to Present- day American English
The first list [on left] is FROM the AV.
The second list [on right] is from the American English
alway to always
apparelled to appareled
armour to armor
astonied to astonished
baken to baked
Balac to Balak
behaviour to behavior
behoved to behooved
brasen to brazen
broided to embroided
caterpiller to caterpillar
clamour to clamor
cloke to cloak
colour to color
counsellor to counselor
drave to drove
Elias to Elijah
endeavour to endeavor
ensample to example
favour to favor
forbad to forbade
fulfil to fulfill
furbushed to furbished
heretick to heretic
Isaias to Isaiah
Jonas to Jonah
labour to labor
lentiles to lentils
marvelled to marveled
musick to music
neesing to sneezing
neighbour to neighbor
Noe to Noah
odour to odor
Osee to Hosea
publick to plublic
rebukeable to rebukable
reproveable to reprovable
rigour to rigor
rumour to rumor
Sarai to Sarah
savour to savor
sceptre to scepter
sepulchre to sepulcher
sejeant to sergeant
shew to show
shewbread to showbread
Sion to Zion
spue to spew
stedfast to steadfast
subtility to subtitly
succourer succorer
sycomore to sycamore
Timotheus to Timothy
traffick to traffic
traveller to traveler
unblameable to unblamable
valour to valor
vail to veil
vapour to vapor
wilfully to willfully
withs to withes
worshipped to worshiped
Zacharias to Zechariah');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('294', 'b7496c68f5', 'The Gifts of the Holy Ghost', 'I just finished looking at the Zukster\'s church site.
Here is a sample of the statement of faith.
God the Holy Spirit

We believe that the Holy Spirit is a divine person, equal with God the Father and God the Son and of the same substance and nature. He convicts mankind of sin, righteousness and judgment; bears witness to the truth, is the agent of the new birth; seals, adopts, sanctifies, comforts, helps, guides, and teaches the believers. He imparts at least one spiritual gift to the believer; witnesses to the unbeliever, and indwells forever every true child of God.

We believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit mentioned in the Scriptures and that they are valid for today if they are exercised within the scriptural guidelines. We as believers are to exercise them in love that the whole Body of Christ might be edified.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('295', 'cf43b22366', 'publisher\'s changes', 'Jesus said that every jot and every tittle was important, see Matthew 5:18.

Some changes seem to be neither here nor there: it is the principle of fiddling, the thin end of the wedge, the small crack that leads to a gushing torrent...

&quot;alway to always&quot; - two different words with two different meanings.
&quot;astonied to astonished&quot; - likewise.
&quot;baken to baked&quot; - incorrect grammar.
&quot;broided to embroided&quot; - two different words with two different meanings.
&quot;drave to drove&quot; - incorrect grammar.
&quot;Elias to Elijah&quot; - alteration of translation/transliteration.
&quot;ensample to example&quot;  - two different words with two different meanings.
&quot;forbad to forbade&quot; - incorrect grammar.
&quot;Isaias to Isaiah&quot; - alteration of translation/transliteration.
&quot;Jonas to Jonah&quot; - alteration of translation/transliteration.
&quot;neesing to sneezing&quot;  - two different words with two different meanings.
&quot;Noe to Noah&quot; - alteration of translation/transliteration.
&quot;Osee to Hosea&quot; - alteration of translation/transliteration.
&quot;Sarai to Sarah&quot; - alteration of translation/transliteration.
&quot;Sion to Zion&quot; - alteration of translation/transliteration.
&quot;Timotheus to Timothy&quot; - alteration of translation/transliteration.
&quot;vail to veil&quot; - two different words with two different meanings.
&quot;Zacharias to Zechariah&quot; - alteration of translation/transliteration.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('296', '5bcffb6bb5', 'Scrivener and the PCE', 'A critical assessment of Pure Cambridge Edition renderings

There are several possible sources for checking Pure Cambridge Edition renderings outside of the Victorian Cambridge Edition upon which it is based: Bishops’ (1568 ) , Geneva (1587), 1611 (1833 Oxford Reprint), Scrivener (1873 Cambridge Paragraph Bible), Revised Version (1881–1885), W. A. Wright (1909 Cambridge edited 1611 Edition). This treatment is not full, nor is agreement or disagreement to be implied where not expressly stated, rather this catalogue serves as a guideline only, and to indicate that no particular source was considered an absolute authority, and that the editorial work of the Pure Cambridge Edition was made independently, though in line with the tradition, and doubtless with conference to various sources, some of which are tentatively outlined below. The final analysis and conclusions should be that the Pure Cambridge Edition has been scholarly executed and be found to stand upon its own merits.

[size=18:5bcffb6bb5][Table to be reposted][/size:5bcffb6bb5]

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Note that &quot;agree&quot; above means to agree with the PCE.

Note that 1769/Victorian Cambridge renderings are not shown, but that it supports the renderings where there is apparent full disagreement of other sources, though the Victorian disagrees against the full agreement to the PCE of Scrivener and 1611.

Note that the 1611, 1769/Victorian Cambridge and Scrivener are against &quot;Geba&quot; in Ezra 2:26.

Note that Scrivener is against the PCE particularly in the following: Genesis 25:4, 2 Chronicles 20:36 and Ezra 2:2. Norton however agrees with the PCE and 1611 against Scrivener in the first two, but agrees with Scrivener against the PCE and 1611 in the last.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('672', '002669aa35', 'Esoteric', 'I have studied the works of Alchemy and have noticed that they always emphasize the Sun and Moon.
Maybe, the reason they do not associate with any denomination is because they are not Christian in the first place.
I would have to contact them to find out one way or the other to truly be accurate on this account.
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Having said that,
I completely agree how amazing the word of God is.
Simply incredible how so many things display God\'s world and word of truth.
A very interesting video for sure.
This reminds me of the knops and almonds on the candle holder. Someone showed me how it totaled 66.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('673', '4f065ed573', 'The Firmament', 'Matthew,
This is the second time I have listened to this tape of yours.
Very important to understand scriptures in context.
The modern versions fall far short of any semblance of power, and authority.
Paul was caught up to the third heaven.
It would be interesting to see how they find out about the other two heavens.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('674', '7a114c0121', 'Politics in the Creationist\'s Field', 'It appears that there has been quite a few unchristian and political manoeuvres as of late in this degradation for absolute truth.
It would be interesting to see the background of some of these players.
Their connexions and whatnot.
Does anyone here know anything of the status of Brother Hovind?
I do remember him getting in trouble lately?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('675', '48e1860d50', 'Re: Accuracy of the King James Bible', '[quote:48e1860d50=\"1611Hope\"]The King James Bible is accurate and specific in its wording. Here is an example regarding the Flood record:

&quot;AND God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that [i:48e1860d50]was[/i:48e1860d50] with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;&quot; (Genesis 8:1). The King James Bible uses the word &quot;asswaged&quot;. This word means to calm, soothe. If the Bible says that this is what happened to the waters, then it is so; they were calmed by God.

In contrast, the NIV in Genesis 8:1 uses the word \'receded\'. The word receded has a different meaning. The word recede means to go, or shrink back or farther off. In other words, the NIV changes the account of what happened. 

Accuracy is very important to God, so for an accurate record of Creation and the Flood, look to the King James Bible.[/quote:48e1860d50]
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Very good observations there, Samantha!
There is another word in the same passages that holds just as an important key in the definitions of God\'s Holy Bible and the true account of Noah and the flood.
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Here is a short study simply using the Bible\'s own built-in Dictionary.
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Abated/Built-in Bible Dictionary Definition
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Without going to any dictionary,or to other Bible languages, God will show how the Holy Bible with its built-in Holy Bible dictionary will define its own terms.

The one that I will tackle on behalf of the LORD this time is Abated.
As a normal rule; to find out the basic definition of any term that you are unfamiliar with, simply read the context or go to the very first place that that term is used in the Holy Bible.

Abated
First mention:
Genesis 8:3
And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.
Now to find out the definition of abated, if I did not already know what it meant, nor had a dictionary that covered the term, and I was in my bed at night reading the word of God alone; there is no problem.

I simply look at the context believingly and with prayer study the verse and the surrounding verses to find out what it [the word] means.
I need to find key words that are the same or similar that will help me.
We find in the very same verse that the key word is WATERS.
In this case,the Waters RETURNED.
In the verse before we see water as in the FOUNTAINS and RAIN.With them we see the term STOPPED and RESTRAINED.

So just here in this verse along with the original verse 3 we see that Abated means &quot;returned&quot; as in a forceful STOPPING and RESTRAINING.

Now we can look at further cases of the word ABATED.
In verse 8
And he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground.

Other terms are seen in the surrounding verses as well;
A key is &quot;off the earth&quot; and &quot;continually&quot;.
In verse 1 the wind is starting to do its work over all the earth and the waters are asswaged or calming down.

We find that the waters RETURNED from OFF THE EARTH,:2.
We find that in verse 11 that the waters this time showed proof that they were abated from OFF THE EARTH.

Now let us look further into this Abating that happens to put the waters down with force,and see another senerio and see how this understanding helps us, as we go further into the Holy Bible and find it [abated] used there.

We go to Leviticus 27:18
But if he sanctify his field after the jubilee, then the priest shall reckon unto him the money according to the years that remain, even to the year of jubilee, and it shall be abated from thy estimation.

Since we already know that ABATED means to be &quot;stopped&quot; and &quot;restrained&quot;, we simply apply this to the context here and find the person must STOP his estimation of his field for it will only be worth what is left in the time till the next jubilee. He cannot estimate it at the full price, so he must show restraint. This then will make the estimation fair and honest.

In The last chapter of Deuteronomy, in verse 7 we see the word applied to Moses.
And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died:his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

Here we can see the &quot;force&quot; which was not abated.
It was yet at its peak. A similar example with his eyes.

We all know how powerful the force of water can be.
We are also impressed with those that have all their force of strength at an old age.
But anger is a force that is hard to control.
The last mention of ABATED is in Judges 8:3
We all know the story of Gideon, but what often gets overlooked is some of the fallout after the event.
The Men from Ephraim were in a snort for not getting chosen or asked to fight.
Their feelings were so high that their voices became quite sharp against Gideon.
But Gideon shows them that they can now eat of the land.
And this put the fire out like a dump of water from an air tanker on a small fire.
Their anger was ABATED towards him because of the force of those words that STOPPED them and caused them to be RESTRAINED and they RETURNED to a normal attitude.

O praise the LORD for his wonderful Book.
With its perfect pure Built-in Bible dictionary...

We need no Greek LexICON or dictionary at all if we are willing to study the word of God and believe it and humble ourselves and submit unto its authority over our lives.
Thank you Jesus for your wonderful pure words of life.

Holy Bible
There is only one.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('671', '836c4fd112', '', 'Bibleprotector,

[quote:836c4fd112]That site is &quot;is not affiliated with any religion or denomination whatsoever.&quot; (How can a person believe that God is the creator if they do not belong to a religion?) [/quote:836c4fd112]

I understand your point. I do think the video has some good information. I also do not understand why they will not tell you that they are Baptist for example. Also any religion rest on the concept of a belief in God. Therefore they must be a part of some religion. If not they would not be using the Bible. The Bible is the foundation of the christian religion.

being a math man I loved the way they broke down all of the math. It is cool how they talk about the ark the moon and the sun. I thought that was some good information. That is why I made the post. I thought you may find the information interesting also.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('297', '7f88b1fadd', 'Making it simple', 'It is certain that while the editor of the Pure Cambridge Edition may have been influenced by Scrivener\'s work, he clearly did not follow it all the time in the changes that he made.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('298', 'd4b326089a', 'Gifts of the Holy Ghost', 'Yes, the gifts of the Spirit are for the edification of the Body of Christ. Those who are baptised in the Holy Ghost have the gifts freely available to them.

The fire of God is the fire of purity, burning out the things of the flesh.

&quot;John answered, saying unto [i:d4b326089a]them [/i:d4b326089a]all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire&quot; (Luke 3:16).

&quot;For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.&quot; (Romans 8:5).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('299', 'cefaa9e5b1', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'Traditional Pentecostalism is associated with pure religion. Thus, it is right and proper to have the pure Word of God, which is unspotted from the world.

&quot;Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [i:cefaa9e5b1]and [/i:cefaa9e5b1]to keep himself unspotted from the world.&quot; (James 1:27). Those who are religious in the correct sense have a mouth that gives voice to pure words: &quot;If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man\'s religion [i:cefaa9e5b1]is [/i:cefaa9e5b1]vain.&quot; (James 1:26). Vain religion is connected with impure words - this is what modern versions has led to. Holiness, of necessity, demands the Holy Scriptures.

&quot;And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.&quot; (2 Timothy 3:15).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('300', 'a58e8053b8', 'What a Mess!', 'What a mess!
And not the biblical mess.Gen.43:34, 2Sam. 11:8
The biblical mess is for food.
This food is good food with that little percentage of poison.
Just like rat poison.
Tastes good, but in the belly it aches.
A bitter pill to swallow.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('301', '8ed9539ff0', 'What a Mess!', 'Peter, you may have noticed, but I started a thread which has Scrivener\'s readings in them. I found Scrivener\'s Paragraph Bible in a library Melbourne. It looks like a big old Bible, but its layout is like a modern version, very strange. It has 1 John 5:7 in italics too.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('302', 'd8e8f564f8', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I [i:d8e8f564f8]am [/i:d8e8f564f8]the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way [i:d8e8f564f8]that [/i:d8e8f564f8]thou shouldest go.&quot; (Isaiah 48:17). The Lord\'s leading is not into poverty, lack or destruction. Profiting has always been God\'s way, although many have allowed themselves to be drawn away from blessing into manmade ideas, such as the idea that God does not want us to be physically blessed. There are dozens of Scriptures that say the very opposite. If we are led by the Lord, we trust in God\'s provision and on Earth we have blessing.

&quot;Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.&quot; (Psalm 23:5). The enemies of God are here on Earth, so this verse is not talking about Heaven. The traditions of men cause people to be convinced that these plain Scriptures are not talking of physical blessing. &quot;Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.&quot; (Mark 7:13).

God wants His people to love Him and not riches. But people are not to be afraid of riches either. Prosperity must be acknowledged in its right place: from the Lord and to be used for the Lord since those who are Christians belong to the Lord. &quot;Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy&quot; (1 Timothy 6:17).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('303', 'dc2efcd164', 'Scrivener / Melbourne', 'Melbourne is fairly close by, is it not?
Sure glad you finally found Scrivener\'s English.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('304', '3af621febd', '', '[quote:3af621febd]Melbourne is fairly close by, is it not? [/quote:3af621febd]
Yes. An hour away.
[quote:3af621febd]Sure glad you finally found Scrivener\'s English.[/quote:3af621febd]
And I can show that the PCE does not follow Scrivener, though it probably had an influence.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('305', '0f66a03072', 'Geba or Gaba?', 'I have started to email various publishers to find out if they know of the variations in the AV over the years.Also to find out if they publish the Pure Cambridge Edition.
The Trinitarian Bible Society had this to say after I e-mailed them.
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Dear Mr. Fuhrman,

As you are no doubt aware, different editions of the Authorised Version have slight variations. The edition which most consider to be the standard is the Cambridge Concord. In Ezra 2.26, this has Gaba, which is a direct transliteration from the Hebrew (Geba would have different vowel pointing and is therefore incorrect in this passage). In Matthew 4.1, it has Spirit capitalized.

I trust that this is helpful to you.

Dr. Debra E. Anderson 
Assistant to the Editorial Manager 
d. anderson @ trinitarian bible society . org 

From: Peter Fuhrman [mailto:pnfuhrman @ shaw . ca] 
Sent: 14 December 2007 04:37
To: Info
Subject: The King James Holy Bible

I am interested in the spelling of a couple of words in the King James Bible.

Does your King James Bible in Ezra 2:26 read Gaba or Geba?

Does your King James Bible read Spirit or spirit in Matthew 4:1?

I believe Geba to be correct and Spirit to be correct.

Thank you for your time.

Peter Fuhrman

.....................................................................

Trinitarian Bible Society
Tyndale House, Dorset Road, London, SW19 3NN, England
Tel.: +44 (0) 20 8543-7857
Web site: www.trinitarianbiblesociety.org
Registered Charity No.: 233082');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('306', '70c436b3c1', 'Scrivener Agrees', 'I noticed in your list that only Scrivener agrees in two of your recorded accounts.
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[quote:70c436b3c1]1 Samuel 2:13 - - - - - priest’s custom - - - - - priests’ custom - - - - - Scrivener agrees[/quote:70c436b3c1]
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plus...
[quote:70c436b3c1]Romans 4:19 - - - - - Sarah’s - - - - - Sara’s - - - - - Scrivener agrees[/quote:70c436b3c1]
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So these readings are not in Tyndale,Geneva,1611 et al?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('307', '2aa6448931', 'Concord Cambridge not standard', 'Yes, TBS are not KJBO, but TR only, and they show lack of proper knowledge. Their authority is &quot;current&quot; only.

Their view that &quot;Gaba&quot; is correct is wrong. The KJB has that same Hebrew word at other places &quot;Geba&quot;, so they are way off claiming an incorrect transliteration from Hebrew.

The TBS used to print the PCE. I have a Cambridge printed TBS Bible that is a PCE.

There are a number of impurities in the Concord Edition. For example, 1 John 5:8 has &quot;Spirit&quot; when it should be &quot;spirit&quot;. I know that various KJBOs have by default used the Concord, but they should lay it aside, because the Concord is an edit (therefore a direct corruption) of the Pure Cambridge Edition.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('308', '427094e163', 'Apostrophes', 'Apostrophes were not used in 1611 and earlier, though for &quot;Sara\'s&quot;, 1611 has &quot;Saraes&quot;, which indicates the PCE rendering (since the question regards the &quot;h&quot; of &quot;Sarah&quot;, not the apostrophe).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('309', 'ceef75d37a', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'In his sermon &quot;Christ in us&quot;, Smith Wigglesworth said: &quot;You see that Bible. I believe it from front to back. But it won\'t have an atom of power in you if you don\'t put the Bible in practice in yourself.&quot;

Like all Traditional Pentecostalists, he used a King James Bible as the Word of God. Also, he believed it. This is a wonderful certainty that Christians can have when they take hold of the one Bible and put it into practice in themselves. &quot;But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.&quot; (Luke 8:15).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('310', '34e2df0a69', 'John Ritchie &amp; LTD', 'Here is another publisher or distributor that does not publish the PCE.
Why?
[quote]Please be advised that the bible that you are looking for is now out of print.
 
Sorry for any inconvenience caused.
 
Best regards
 
Jodi

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From: Peter Fuhrman 
Sent: 14 December 2007 07:15
To: Sales
Subject: Message from Ritchie Christian Media

 From: Peter Fuhrman
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I am looking for a pure King James Bible that conforms to these parameters. HOW TO KNOW THE PURE CAMBRIDGE EDITION OF THE KING JAMES BIBLE It is important to have the correct, perfect and final text of the King James Bible, since there are correctors (e.g. publishers) who have changed some aspects of King James Bible texts. The final form of the King James Bible is the Pure Cambridge Edition (circa 1900), which conforms to the following: 1. “or Sheba” not “and Sheba” in Joshua 19:2 2. “sin” not “sins” in 2 Chronicles 33:19 3. “Spirit of God” not “spirit of God” in Job 33:4 4. “whom ye” not “whom he” in Jeremiah 34:16 5. “Spirit of God” not “spirit of God” in Ezekiel 11:24 6. “flieth” not “fleeth” in Nahum 3:16 7. “Spirit” not “spirit” in Matthew 4:1 8. “further” not “farther” in Matthew 26:39 9. “bewrayeth” not “betrayeth” in Matthew 26:73 10. “Spirit” not “spirit” in Mark 1:12 11. “spirit” not “Spirit” in Acts 11:28 12. “spirit” not “Spirit” in 1 John 5:8 ******* The faster way is to look up Ezra 2:26 and see if it reads Geba not Gaba.But the twelve all must be there as first stated,with precise spelling. Thank you kindly! Peter Fuhrman');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('311', '5ffd5640f1', 'John Ritchie &amp; LTD', 'They admit to having once printed/distributed the PCE/KJB.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('312', 'c7a36dc7c7', 'Is it possible to change a KJV Bible?', 't is possible to change a KJV Bible from a corrupted edition into the Cambridge edition?

Now, I am only speaking of the ebible or other computer editions that one can find on the Internet. I have a couple of editions that I have which are stored on Adobe reader [ or format, if you will ]. 

It would seem possible if the only changes are the ones that are used for the test verses listed here by Matthew.

I ask only out of curiosity and it would be rather nice to change the 1790 editions and the others that are corrupted in translation.

Thank you for your time  and I appreciate any answers or responses. Please forgive me if this is a typical &quot;newbie&quot; question. I have not yet finished all of my reading about this subject.

God bless to all on this board!!

In Christ,

John Pace');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('313', '26f383cec4', 'refining the KJB', 'There are numerous variations the further back you go in the history of the KJB. In my book, I have listed that there could be about 300 differences between another contemporary edition of the KJB and the PCE. Some King James Bibles have been corrupted, and changed to American spellings, and so on.

I provide the following list to show that it is much better to download the PCE in electronic form from www.bibleprotector.com and use it for whatever purpose, than to attempt to edit with full accuracy existing texts. Remember that the PCE texts provided at www.bibleprotector.com have been check throughly by word processing technology to ensure that they contain no typographical error.

The following list has references only where certain late 19th to 20th century editions have differences to the Pure Cambridge Edition, B is Eyre and Strahan, L is Victorian Eyre and Spottiswoode, LE is Eyre and Spottiswoode, O is Victorian Oxford Edition, OE/OS is Oxford Edition, C is Victorian Cambridge, CC is Concord Cambridge.

Genesis 1:2LE, Genesis 8:1LE, Genesis 8:11LE, Genesis 10:7L, O, C, OE, Genesis 11:3B, LE, Genesis 15:13L, O, LE, OE, Genesis 18:7LE, Genesis 23:8B, LE, Genesis 24:57L, O, OE, CC, Genesis 24:65B, LE, Genesis 25:4L, B, O, C, OE, Genesis 25:21 (1)B, LE, Genesis 25:21 (2)B, LE, Genesis 25:22L, O, OE, CC, Genesis 26:20L, O, LE, OE, Genesis 30:31L, O, OE, Genesis 30:37LE, Genesis 31:16L, O, LE, OE, Genesis 34:23L, O, LE, OE, Genesis 34:23L, O, LE, OE, Genesis 38:14B, LE, Genesis 38:19B, LE, Genesis 39:6LE, Genesis 40:7LE, Genesis 41:38LE, Genesis 43:34L, O, LE, OE, Genesis 45:20L, O, LE, OE, Genesis 46:12B, L, O, C, OE, Genesis 47:18LE, Exodus 1:14B, LE, Exodus 5:8LE, Exodus 5:11LE, Exodus 5:19LE, Exodus 8:8LE, Exodus 8:9LE, Exodus 8:28B, LE, Exodus 8:29B, LE, Exodus 8:30B, LE, Exodus 9:28B, LE, Exodus 10:17LE, Exodus 10:18LE, Exodus 12:22 (1)LE, Exodus 12:22 (2)LE, Exodus 12:46LE, Exodus 18:25L, O, OE, CC, Exodus 21:6B, LE, Exodus 22:14LE, Exodus 23:23B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Exodus 24:6LE, Exodus 26:31LE, Exodus 26:33 (1)LE, Exodus 26:33 (2)LE, Exodus 26:33 (3)LE, Exodus 26:35LE, Exodus 27:3LE, Exodus 27:21LE, Exodus 29:9L, O, LE, OE, Exodus 29:34LE, Exodus 30:6LE, Exodus 34:23L, O, OE, Exodus 34:33LE, Exodus 34:34LE, Exodus 34:35LE, Exodus 36:35LE, Exodus 38:3LE, Exodus 38:27LE, Exodus 39:34LE, Exodus 40:3LE, Exodus 40:21LE, Exodus 40:22LE, Exodus 40:26LE, Leviticus 4:6LE, Leviticus 4:17LE, Leviticus 11:25LE, Leviticus 14:42 (1)B, LE, Leviticus 14:42 (2)LE, Leviticus 14:43LE, Leviticus 14:45B, LE, Leviticus 14:48LE, Leviticus 16:2LE, Leviticus 16:12LE, Leviticus 16:15LE, Leviticus 18:10L, O, LE, OE, Leviticus 19:6LE, Leviticus 21:20LE, Leviticus 21:23LE, Leviticus 24:3LE, Leviticus 25:9LE, Leviticus 25:10LE, Leviticus 25:11LE, Leviticus 25:12LE, Leviticus 25:13LE, Leviticus 25:14 (1)LE, Leviticus 25:14 (2)LE, Leviticus 25:15LE, Leviticus 25:28LE, Leviticus 25:30LE, Leviticus 25:31LE, Leviticus 25:33LE, Leviticus 25:40LE, Leviticus 25:50LE, Leviticus 25:52LE, Leviticus 25:54LE, Leviticus 27:16LE, Leviticus 27:18LE, Leviticus 27:21LE, Leviticus 27:23LE, Leviticus 27:24LE, Leviticus 27:31LE, Numbers 4:5LE, Numbers 4:14LE, Numbers 6:5B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Numbers 10:25LE, Numbers 11:4B, LE, Numbers 14:14B, OE, Numbers 15:24LE, Numbers 15:30LE, Numbers 16:26L, O, LE, OE, Numbers 18:7LE, Numbers 18:9 (1)L, O, LE, OE, Numbers 18:9 (2)L, O, LE, OE, Numbers 18:9 (3)L, O, LE, OE, Numbers 30:6LE, Numbers 32:32L, O, LE, OE, Numbers 36:4LE, Deuteronomy 4:2LE, Deuteronomy 11:24L, O, LE, OE, Deuteronomy 12:30L, O, OE, CC, Deuteronomy 13:14L, O, OE, CC, Deuteronomy 15:2LE, Deuteronomy 15:17B, LE, Deuteronomy 17:4L, O, OE, CC, Deuteronomy 17:9L, O, OE, CC, Deuteronomy 17:14L, O, OE, CC, Deuteronomy 21:15L, O, LE, OE, Deuteronomy 26:14 (1)LE, Deuteronomy 26:14 (2)LE, Deuteronomy 27:2 (1)B, LE, Deuteronomy 27:2 (2)B, LE, Deuteronomy 27:4 (1)B, LE, Deuteronomy 27:4 (2)B, LE, Deuteronomy 32:8B, L, O, C, LE, OE, Joshua 2:14L, O, LE, OE, Joshua 4:5B, L, O, OE, Joshua 6:9LE, Joshua 6:13LE, Joshua 10:1B, L, O, C, LE, OE, Joshua 10:3B, L, O, C, LE, OE, Joshua 13:18B, L, O, C, OE, Joshua 19:2B, L, O, C, OE, Joshua 19:19B, L, O, C, LE, OE, Joshua 19:19B, L, O, C, LE, OE, Joshua 21:10L, O, LE, OE, Joshua 21:45LE, Judges 3:10LE, Judges 4:20L, O, OE, CC, Judges 6:29L, O, OE, CC, Judges 6:34LE, Judges 8:14L, O, OE, CC, Judges 11:29LE, Judges 13:5B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Judges 13:8B, LE, Judges 13:19L, O, OE, Judges 13:25LE, Judges 14:6LE, Judges 14:19LE, Judges 15:14LE, Judges 16:17B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Judges 20:27L, O, OE, CC, Ruth 1:16B, LE, Ruth 1:17LE, Ruth 3:15LE, 1 Samuel 1:11B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 1 Samuel 2:25B, LE, 1 Samuel 9:8L, O, OE, CC, 1 Samuel 10:10LE, 1 Samuel 10:22L, O, OE, CC, 1 Samuel 11:6LE, 1 Samuel 12:4LE, 1 Samuel 12:5LE, 1 Samuel 16:13LE, 1 Samuel 16:14LE, 1 Samuel 17:48OE, 1 Samuel 17:56L, O, OE, CC, 1 Samuel 18:6B, LE, 1 Samuel 19:20LE, 1 Samuel 19:23LE, 1 Samuel 22:10L, O, OE, CC, 1 Samuel 22:13L, O, OE, CC, 1 Samuel 22:15L, O, OE, CC, 1 Samuel 23:2L, O, OE, CC, 1 Samuel 23:4L, O, OE, CC, 1 Samuel 25:7LE, 1 Samuel 25:42L, O, LE, OE, 1 Samuel 28:6L, O, OE, CC, 1 Samuel 28:7L, O, OE, CC, 1 Samuel 29:2LE, 1 Samuel 30:8L, O, OE, CC, 1 Samuel 30:22LE, 1 Samuel 31:2B, L, O, C, OE, 2 Samuel 2:1L, O, OE, CC, 2 Samuel 3:35LE, 2 Samuel 5:14B, L, O, C, OE, 2 Samuel 5:19L, O, OE, CC, 2 Samuel 5:23L, O, OE, CC, 2 Samuel 11:3L, O, OE, CC, 2 Samuel 14:10LE, 2 Samuel 14:19LE, 2 Samuel 15:12B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 2 Samuel 16:23L, O, OE, CC, 2 Samuel 17:28LE, 2 Samuel 18:29B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 2 Samuel 21:1L, O, OE, CC, 2 Samuel 21:14B, LE, 2 Samuel 21:21B, L, O, C, OE, 2 Samuel 23:2LE, 2 Samuel 23:37L, O, C, OE, 2 Samuel 24:25B, LE, 1 Kings 6:15LE, 1 Kings 7:40LE, 1 Kings 7:45LE, 1 Kings 7:50LE, 1 Kings 13:6B, LE, 1 Kings 18:12LE, 1 Kings 22:3L, O, LE, OE, 1 Kings 22:5L, O, OE, CC, 1 Kings 22:7L, O, OE, CC, 1 Kings 22:8L, O, OE, CC, 1 Kings 22:24LE, 2 Kings 1:2L, O, OE, CC, 2 Kings 1:3L, O, OE, CC, 2 Kings 1:6L, O, OE, CC, 2 Kings 1:16L, O, OE, CC (1), 2 Kings 1:16L, O, OE, CC (2), 2 Kings 2:16LE, 2 Kings 3:11L, O, OE, CC, 2 Kings 8:6L, O, LE, OE, 2 Kings 8:8L, O, OE, CC, 2 Kings 12:13LE, 2 Kings 16:15L, O, OE, CC, 2 Kings 19:26B, L, O, C, LE, OE, 2 Kings 22:13L, O, OE, CC, 2 Kings 22:18L, O, OE, CC, 1 Chronicles 1:38B, L, O, C, OE, 1 Chronicles 2:47L, O, C, LE, OE, 1 Chronicles 2:49B, L, O, C, OE, 1 Chronicles 5:11B, L, O, C, OE, 1 Chronicles 5:20B, LE, 1 Chronicles 6:54L, O, LE, OE, 1 Chronicles 7:1B, L, O, C, OE, 1 Chronicles 7:19B, L, O, C, OE, 1 Chronicles 7:27L, O, C, OE, 1 Chronicles 10:13L, O, OE, CC, 1 Chronicles 10:14L, O, OE, CC, 1 Chronicles 13:3L, O, OE, CC, 1 Chronicles 14:10L, O, OE, CC, 1 Chronicles 14:14L, O, OE, CC, 1 Chronicles 15:16B, LE, 1 Chronicles 18:10L, O, OE, CC, 1 Chronicles 21:30L, O, OE, CC, 1 Chronicles 23:20B, L, O, C, OE, 1 Chronicles 24:11B, L, O, C, OE, 1 Chronicles 26:14B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 1 Chronicles 27:32B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 1 Chronicles 27:33B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 1 Chronicles 28:17 (1)LE, 1 Chronicles 28:17 (2)LE, 1 Chronicles 28:17 (2)LE, 2 Chronicles 2:16L, O, OE, 2 Chronicles 3:5LE, 2 Chronicles 3:14LE, 2 Chronicles 4:8LE, 2 Chronicles 4:11LE, 2 Chronicles 4:22LE, 2 Chronicles 5:13B, LE, 2 Chronicles 7:6B, LE, 2 Chronicles 15:1LE, 2 Chronicles 18:4L, O, OE, CC, 2 Chronicles 18:6L, O, OE, CC, 2 Chronicles 18:7L, O, OE, CC, 2 Chronicles 18:12L, O, LE, OE, 2 Chronicles 18:23LE, 2 Chronicles 20:14LE, 2 Chronicles 20:15L, O, LE, OE, 2 Chronicles 20:36B, L, O, C, OE, 2 Chronicles 22:3B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 2 Chronicles 22:4B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 2 Chronicles 23:13B, LE, 2 Chronicles 24:20LE, 2 Chronicles 32:31L, O, OE, CC, 2 Chronicles 33:13B, LE, 2 Chronicles 33:19B, LE, 2 Chronicles 33:19L, O, C, OE, 2 Chronicles 34:12B, LE, 2 Chronicles 34:31L, O, OE, CC, 2 Chronicles 34:26L, O, OE, CC, 2 Chronicles 35:20B, L, O, C, OE, Ezra 1:10LE, Ezra 2:2B, L, O, C, OE, Ezra 2:26B, L, O, C, LE, OE, CC, Ezra 4:5B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Ezra 4:10B, L, O, C, OE, Ezra 6:4O, LE, OE, CC, Ezra 6:8O, LE, OE, CC, Ezra 7:14B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Ezra 7:14L, O, OE, CC, Ezra 7:15B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Ezra 7:28B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Ezra 8:23B, LE, Ezra 8:25B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Ezra 8:27LE, Nehemiah 7:30B, L, O, C, LE, OE, Nehemiah 7:70LE, Job 3:14B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Job 8:8L, O, OE, CC, Job 10:6L, O, OE, CC, Job 12:17B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Job 16:5LE, Job 16:6LE, Job 19:16B, LE, Job 19:17B, LE, Job 30:6B, L, O, C, LE, OE, Job 33:4L, LE, Job 39:16L, O, LE, OE, Psalm 27:4L, O, OE, CC, Psalm 45:12B, LE, Psalm 52:2B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Psalm 71:18L, O, OE, Psalm 78:34L, O, OE, CC, Psalm 107:27B, L, O, LE, OE, Psalm 119:24B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Psalm 119:58B, LE, Psalm 148:8L, O, C, OE, Proverbs 11:14B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Proverbs 12:20B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Proverbs 15:22B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Proverbs 18:23B, LE, Proverbs 19:6B, LE, Proverbs 20:25L, O, OE, CC, Proverbs 20:29L, O, OE, Proverbs 24:6B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Ecclesiastes 7:10L, O, OE, CC, Ecclesiastes 8:17L, O, C, OE, Ecclesiastes 12:4B, LE, Song of Sol. 6:12B, L, O, C, OE, Isaiah 1:26B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Isaiah 3:3B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Isaiah 7:20B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Isaiah 9:6B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Isaiah 19:11B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Isaiah 19:22B, LE, Isaiah 21:12L, O, OE, CC (1), Isaiah 21:12L, O, OE, CC (2), Isaiah 25:7LE, Isaiah 37:27B, O, C, OE, Isaiah 38:21B, LE, Isaiah 40:13LE, Isaiah 40:13B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Isaiah 41:25B, LE, Isaiah 41:28B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Isaiah 48:16LE, Isaiah 52:12LE, Isaiah 58:8LE, Isaiah 58:10B, L, O, OE, Isaiah 59:10B, L, O, OE, Isaiah 59:17B, LE, Isaiah 59:19LE, Isaiah 61:1LE, Isaiah 63:10LE, Isaiah 63:11LE, Isaiah 63:14LE, Jeremiah 5:19L, O, LE, OE, Jeremiah 21:2L, O, OE, CC, Jeremiah 22:14LE, Jeremiah 32:5B, L, O, LE, SO, CC, Jeremiah 34:16L, O, C, LE, OE, Jeremiah 37:7L, O, OE, CC, Jeremiah 40:10B, L, O, OE, Jeremiah 44:28L, O, LE, OE, Jeremiah 52:19LE, Lamentations 3:63B, LE, Lamentations 5:14B, LE, Ezekiel 4:1LE, Ezekiel 5:1B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Ezekiel 7:11L, O, LE, OE, Ezekiel 13:10B, LE, Ezekiel 13:11B, LE, Ezekiel 13:14B, LE, Ezekiel 13:15B, LE, Ezekiel 11:5LE, Ezekiel 11:24LE, Ezekiel 14:3L, O, OE, CC, Ezekiel 14:7L, O, OE, CC, Ezekiel 20:1L, O, OE, CC, Ezekiel 20:3L, O, OE, CC, Ezekiel 20:3L, O, OE, CC, Ezekiel 20:31L, O, OE, CC (1), Ezekiel 20:31L, O, OE, CC (2), Ezekiel 22:28B, LE, Ezekiel 31:8LE, Ezekiel 36:2L, O, LE, OE, Ezekiel 36:37L, O, OE, CC, Ezekiel 41:16LE, Ezekiel 44:29L, O, LE, OE, Ezekiel 47:3OE, CC, Daniel 1:20L, O, OE, CC, Daniel 3:2B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Daniel 3:3B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Daniel 3:5B, LE, Daniel 3:7B, LE, Daniel 3:10B, LE, Daniel 3:15B, LE, Daniel 3:24B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Daniel 3:27B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Daniel 4:36B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Daniel 5:5B, LE, Daniel 5:10L, O, OE (1), Daniel 5:10L, O, OE (2), Daniel 6:7B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Daniel 6:18B, LE, Amos 2:2B, L, O, C, OE, Amos 6:5B, LE, Micah 4:9B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Nahum 1:11B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Nahum 3:14B, LE, Nahum 3:16B, L, O, C, OE, Habakkuk 1:6L, O, LE, OE, Zephaniah 1:6L, O, OE, CC, Haggai 1:4LE, Matthew 1:19B, LE, Matthew 2:7L, O, OE, CC, Matthew 2:16L, O, OE, CC, Matthew 4:1O, OE, Matthew 4:24B, LE, Matthew 5:3L, O, LE, OE, Matthew 5:10L, O, LE, OE, Matthew 5:23LE, Matthew 5:40B, LE, Matthew 9:27B, L, O, LE, OE, Matthew 10:11L, O, OE, CC, Matthew 12:7L, O, LE, OE, Matthew 15:22B, L, O, LE, OE, Matthew 17:15B, LE, Matthew 20:30L, O, LE, OE, Matthew 20:31L, O, LE, OE, Matthew 21:3LE, Matthew 21:9L, O, LE, OE, Matthew 21:15L, O, LE, OE, Matthew 22:42B, L, O, LE, OE, Matthew 26:39B, L, O, C, LE, OE, Matthew 27:48LE, Mark 1:12O, OE, Mark 1:19B, L, O, C, LE, OE, Mark 2:1B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Mark 7:12LE, Mark 8:23LE, Mark 10:47B, L, O, LE, OE, Mark 10:48B, L, O, LE, OE, Mark 11:25LE, Mark 12:7L, O, LE, OE, Mark 12:35B, L, O, LE, OE, Mark 15:36LE, Mark 15:43B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, Luke 6:20L, O, LE, OE, Luke 6:29B, LE, Luke 15:25B, LE, Luke 15:28B, LE, Luke 18:38B, L, O, LE, OE, Luke 18:39B, L, O, LE, OE, Luke 20:14L, O, LE, OE, Luke 22:23L, O, OE, CC, Luke 23:50B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, John 4:33LE, John 4:52L, O, OE, CC, John 13:5LE, John 15:20L, O, LE, OE, John 15:22B, LE, John 16:19L, O, OE, CC, John 19:29LE, Acts 3:7OE, CC, Acts 4:32LE, Acts 8:3LE, Acts 9:11L, O, OE, CC, Acts 10:17L, O, OE, CC, Acts 11:12B, L, LE, OE, CC, Acts 11:28B, L, LE, OE, CC, Acts 17:18B, LE, Acts 19:39L, O, OE, CC, Acts 23:15L, O, OE, CC, Acts 23:20L, O, OE, CC, Acts 24:19LE, Acts 28:19LE, Romans 4:18B, L, LE, OE, CC, Romans 4:19B, L, O, C, LE, OE, Romans 9:9B, L, O, C, LE, OE, Romans 11:17LE, Romans 11:19LE, Romans 11:23 (1)LE, Romans 11:23 (2)LE, Romans 11:24 (1)LE, Romans 11:24 (2)LE, Romans 11:34B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 1 Corinthians 1:2L, O, LE, OE, 1 Corinthians 1:2L, O, LE, OE, 1 Corinthians 3:21L, O, LE, OE, 1 Corinthians 3:22L, O, LE, OE, 1 Corinthians 4:13B, LE, 1 Corinthians 4:15B, L, C, OE, 1 Corinthians 8:9L, O, LE, OE, 1 Corinthians 15:27L, O, LE, OE, CC, 1 Corinthians 16:18L, O, LE, OE, 2 Corinthians 1:14L, O, LE, OE, 2 Corinthians 3:13LE, 2 Corinthians 3:14LE, 2 Corinthians 3:15LE, 2 Corinthians 3:16LE, 2 Corinthians 8:4LE, 2 Corinthians 8:23L, O, OE, CC, 2 Corinthians 8:23L, O, OE, CC, 2 Corinthians 12:14L, O, LE, OE, Ephesians 6:2L, O, LE, OE, Philippians 4:3LE, 1 Thessalonians 2:5B, LE, 1 Timothy 5:1LE, 2 Timothy 3:9L, O, LE, OE, 2 Timothy 4:13B, LE, Titus 3:10B, LE, Titus 3:14L, O, LE, OE, Philemon v18LE, Hebrews 12:19LE, James 3:17LE, 1 Peter 1:10L, O, OE, CC, 1 Peter 2:16B, LE, 1 John 2:2L, O, LE, OE, 1 John 5:8B, L, OE, CC, Revelation 2:6B, L, O, C, OE, Revelation 2:15B, L, O, C, OE, Revelation 11:11B, OE, Revelation 18:16L, O, OE, Revelation 18:19L, O, OE, Revelation 21:20L, O, C, OE');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('314', '0d7a258c40', 'Let me catch my breath please...', 'Matthew, I liked it better when I thought there were only about a dozen verses or so to tell if the text was corrupted or not. -:). Only teasing here.

I am in the process of reading your book and I noticed that there were many verses in your book that call into question the accuracy of the text. I guess I have a compulsion or some driven part of me that likes to see things that are broken or tarnished fixed or made better. Perhaps that means more than just the oblivious but I wondered about the idea of seeing the Cambridge Edition being published in a bigger scale than it is.

Now, I understand that this means educating the Christian [ and others as well ] reading public in what this great debate is all about. I, for one, had no idea that this topic even existed until I came to this web site. I take my hat off to the creators of this site and the wonderful work you all [ and I hope you might include me in this group someday as well ] are involved in. God bless you all from the bottom of my heart!!!

Matthew, I want to ask you a question about something off forum to get your input on an idea that came to me. It will take someone with more computer experience than I possess to carry it out. I do however, think it might be worth the investment of the time and could reap benefits for the Kingdom of God. I will try to contact you in the next day or so to get your feelings about it.

Thank you so kindly for answering my questions. If I sound like a small child please forgive me for the questions. I was taught that if you had a serious question don\'t be afraid to ask it for it would lead to a greater understanding of your subject. So, I do hope all will be patient with me as I muddle my way through this vast subject.

I do know for certain this has changed my life in the way I look at and read the King James Version Bible [ and all Bibles as well though I am a King James Bible reader ].

Take care one and all and the Lord\'s blessings be with you all!!

In Christ,
John Pace');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('315', '9fb2121895', 'A message of encouragement', 'My message this time was that of encouragement. 
I used the names of Davids sons in 2 Samuel 5:16.
Elishima, Eliada, and  Eliphalet. Which mean..
God Hears
God Knows, and 
God our Deliverer.
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I also emphasized the importance of praising God 
in all situations and for all situations.
I had a blast with the LORD, and in his Book, putting it all together.

The folks were very encouraged.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('316', '1355ca0cf5', 'Women in Ministry', '&quot;And the next day we that were of Paul\'s company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him. And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.&quot; (Acts 21:8,9).

Philip\'s ministry as an evangelist had a significant impact on his four daughters. They saw the witness of their father and were, no doubt, encouraged by it. God used Philip and his daughters, no doubt upholding each other. &quot;Let mount Zion rejoice, let the daughters of Judah be glad, because of thy judgments.&quot; (Psalm 48:11).

People need to think here. When Philip\'s daughters prophesied, who heard them? Was it just women or men as well who listened to what they were prophesying? And if what they were prophesying was from the Lord, did not the hearers have to obey the Lord? The reality was that God\'s Word came out from such women and both men and women heard and obeyed.

What if a woman prophesied or preached or taught about the dangers of departing from the King James Bible? Would you acknowledge it as from God? If so, listen to &quot;The dangers of departing from the King James Bible&quot;, preached by Samantha Savige on the 4th of December, 2007 at Victory Faith Centre - http://www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('317', 'fc85d5c589', 'Cody\'s testimony', 'Greetings Cody,

Hope you have been enjoying the forum. 

In Christ,');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('318', '9de1d97f5c', 'What are the consequences of false religion?', 'Another consequence of false religions is a stirring up of their adherents against Christianity. Historically, Satan has used followers of false religions to persecute true Christians. For example, millions of Christians have perished at the hands of Romanists throughout history. 

&quot;Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.&quot; (2 Timothy 3:12).

A love of error means hatred of the truth. Followers of false religions are leading very prideful lives and are offended at God\'s Word. Pride says &quot;my way, not God\'s way&quot;. They have no desire to serve the true God, and can be easily provoked to persecute God\'s people.

&quot;And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.&quot; (Revelation 9:20, 21).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('319', '46c62fbe45', 'Let me catch my breath please...', 'Okay, John.

We do not want to cause the weary to stumble, or to burden the weak. It is about strengthening, encouraging and edifying.

[quote:46c62fbe45]I wondered about the idea of seeing the Cambridge Edition being published in a bigger scale than it is. [/quote:46c62fbe45]

I am glad you are reading and learning. And yes, that is the vision to raise the scale of things (and drop the scales from the eyes, and tip the balance too).

&quot;The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.&quot; (Psalm 68:11).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('320', 'dd4a88a655', 'Re: refining the KJB', 'The following list has references only where certain late 19th to 20th century editions have differences to the Pure Cambridge Edition, B is Eyre and Strahan, L is Victorian Eyre and Spottiswoode, LE is Eyre and Spottiswoode, O is Victorian Oxford Edition, OE/OS is Oxford Edition, C is Victorian Cambridge, CC is Concord Cambridge.
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I took the liberty of picking one edition out for future reference sake.
That of LE Eyre and Spottiswoode. 

Genesis 1:2LE, 
Genesis 8:1LE, 
Genesis 8:11LE,  
Genesis 11:3B, LE, 
Genesis 15:13L, O, LE, OE, 

Genesis 18:7LE, 
Genesis 23:8B, LE, 
Genesis 24:65B, LE,  
Genesis 25:21 (1)B, LE, 
Genesis 25:21 (2)B, LE, 
 
Genesis 26:20L, O, LE, OE, 
Genesis 30:37LE, 
Genesis 31:16L, O, LE, OE, 
Genesis 34:23L, O, LE, OE, 
Genesis 34:23L, O, LE, OE,
 
Genesis 38:14B, LE, 
Genesis 38:19B, LE, 
Genesis 39:6LE, 
Genesis 40:7LE, 
Genesis 41:38LE,
 
Genesis 43:34L, O, LE, OE, 
Genesis 45:20L, O, LE, OE, 
Genesis 47:18LE, 
Exodus 1:14B, LE, 
Exodus 5:8LE, 

Exodus 5:11LE, 
Exodus 5:19LE, 
Exodus 8:8LE, 
Exodus 8:9LE, 
Exodus 8:28B, LE, 

Exodus 8:29B, LE, 
Exodus 8:30B, LE, 
Exodus 9:28B, LE, 
Exodus 10:17LE, 
Exodus 10:18LE, 

Exodus 12:22 (1)LE, 
Exodus 12:22 (2)LE, 
Exodus 12:46LE,  
Exodus 21:6B, LE, 
Exodus 22:14LE, 

Exodus 23:23B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Exodus 24:6LE, 
Exodus 26:31LE, 
Exodus 26:33 (1)LE, 
Exodus 26:33 (2)LE, 

Exodus 26:33 (3)LE, 
Exodus 26:35LE, 
Exodus 27:3LE, 
Exodus 27:21LE, 
Exodus 29:9L, O, LE, OE,
 
Exodus 29:34LE, 
Exodus 30:6LE,  
Exodus 34:33LE, 
Exodus 34:34LE, 
Exodus 34:35LE, 

Exodus 36:35LE, 
Exodus 38:3LE, 
Exodus 38:27LE, 
Exodus 39:34LE, 
Exodus 40:3LE, 

Exodus 40:21LE, 
Exodus 40:22LE, 
Exodus 40:26LE, 
Leviticus 4:6LE, 
Leviticus 4:17LE, 

Leviticus 11:25LE, 
Leviticus 14:42 (1)B, LE, 
Leviticus 14:42 (2)LE, 
Leviticus 14:43LE, 
Leviticus 14:45B, LE, 

Leviticus 14:48LE, 
Leviticus 16:2LE, 
Leviticus 16:12LE, 
Leviticus 16:15LE, 
Leviticus 18:10L, O, LE, OE, 

Leviticus 19:6LE, 
Leviticus 21:20LE, 
Leviticus 21:23LE, 
Leviticus 24:3LE, 
Leviticus 25:9LE, 

Leviticus 25:10LE, 
Leviticus 25:11LE, 
Leviticus 25:12LE, 
Leviticus 25:13LE, 
Leviticus 25:14 (1)LE, 

Leviticus 25:14 (2)LE, 
Leviticus 25:15LE, 
Leviticus 25:28LE, 
Leviticus 25:30LE, 
Leviticus 25:31LE, 

Leviticus 25:33LE, 
Leviticus 25:40LE, 
Leviticus 25:50LE, 
Leviticus 25:52LE, 
Leviticus 25:54LE,
 
Leviticus 27:16LE, 
Leviticus 27:18LE, 
Leviticus 27:21LE, 
Leviticus 27:23LE, 
Leviticus 27:24LE,
 
Leviticus 27:31LE, 
Numbers 4:5LE, 
Numbers 4:14LE, 
Numbers 6:5B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Numbers 10:25LE, 

Numbers 11:4B, LE, 
Numbers 15:24LE, 
Numbers 15:30LE, 
Numbers 16:26L, O, LE, OE, 
Numbers 18:7LE, 

Numbers 18:9 (1)L, O, LE, OE, 
Numbers 18:9 (2)L, O, LE, OE, 
Numbers 18:9 (3)L, O, LE, OE, 
Numbers 30:6LE, 
Numbers 32:32L, O, LE, OE,
 
Numbers 36:4LE, 
Deuteronomy 4:2LE, 
Deuteronomy 11:24L, O, LE, OE, 
Deuteronomy 15:2LE, 
Deuteronomy 15:17B, LE, 

Deuteronomy 21:15L, O, LE, OE, 
Deuteronomy 26:14 (1)LE, 
Deuteronomy 26:14 (2)LE, 
Deuteronomy 27:2 (1)B, LE, 
Deuteronomy 27:2 (2)B, LE, 

Deuteronomy 27:4 (1)B, LE, 
Deuteronomy 27:4 (2)B, LE, 
Deuteronomy 32:8B, L, O, C, LE, OE, 
Joshua 2:14L, O, LE, OE, 
Joshua 6:9LE, 

Joshua 6:13LE, 
Joshua 10:1B, L, O, C, LE, OE, 
Joshua 10:3B, L, O, C, LE, OE, 
Joshua 19:19B, L, O, C, LE, OE, 
Joshua 19:19B, L, O, C, LE, OE, 

Joshua 21:10L, O, LE, OE, 
Joshua 21:45LE, 
Judges 3:10LE, 
Judges 6:34LE, 
Judges 11:29LE,
 
Judges 13:5B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Judges 13:8B, LE, 
Judges 13:25LE, 
Judges 14:6LE, 
Judges 14:19LE, 

Judges 15:14LE, 
Judges 16:17B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Ruth 1:16B, LE, 
Ruth 1:17LE, 
Ruth 3:15LE, 

1 Samuel 1:11B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
1 Samuel 2:25B, LE, 
1 Samuel 10:10LE, 
1 Samuel 11:6LE, 
1 Samuel 12:4LE, 

1 Samuel 12:5LE, 
1 Samuel 16:13LE, 
1 Samuel 16:14LE, 
1 Samuel 18:6B, LE, 
1 Samuel 19:20LE, 

1 Samuel 19:23LE, 
1 Samuel 25:7LE, 
1 Samuel 25:42L, O, LE, OE, 
1 Samuel 29:2LE, 
1 Samuel 30:22LE, 

2 Samuel 3:35LE, 
2 Samuel 14:10LE, 
2 Samuel 14:19LE, 
2 Samuel 15:12B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
2 Samuel 17:28LE,
 
2 Samuel 18:29B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
2 Samuel 21:14B, LE, 
2 Samuel 23:2LE, 
2 Samuel 24:25B, LE, 
1 Kings 6:15LE, 

1 Kings 7:40LE, 
1 Kings 7:45LE, 
1 Kings 7:50LE, 
1 Kings 13:6B, LE, 
1 Kings 18:12LE, 

1 Kings 22:3L, O, LE, OE, 
1 Kings 22:24LE, 
2 Kings 2:16LE, 
2 Kings 8:6L, O, LE, OE, 
2 Kings 12:13LE, 

2 Kings 19:26B, L, O, C, LE, OE, 
1 Chronicles 2:47L, O, C, LE, OE, 
1 Chronicles 5:20B, LE, 
1 Chronicles 6:54L, O, LE, OE, 
1 Chronicles 15:16B, LE, 

1 Chronicles 26:14B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
1 Chronicles 27:32B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
1 Chronicles 27:33B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
1 Chronicles 28:17 (1)LE, 
1 Chronicles 28:17 (2)LE, 

1 Chronicles 28:17 (2)LE, 
2 Chronicles 3:5LE, 
2 Chronicles 3:14LE, 
2 Chronicles 4:8LE, 
2 Chronicles 4:11LE, 

2 Chronicles 4:22LE, 
2 Chronicles 5:13B, LE,
2 Chronicles 7:6B, LE, 
2 Chronicles 15:1LE, 
2 Chronicles 18:12L, O, LE, OE, 

2 Chronicles 18:23LE,
2 Chronicles 20:14LE, 
2 Chronicles 20:15L, O, LE, OE,
2 Chronicles 22:3B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
2 Chronicles 22:4B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 

2 Chronicles 23:13B, LE, 
2 Chronicles 24:20LE, 
2 Chronicles 33:13B, LE, 
2 Chronicles 33:19B, LE, 
2 Chronicles 34:12B, LE, 

Ezra 1:10LE, 
Ezra 2:26B, L, O, C, LE, OE, CC, 
Ezra 4:5B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Ezra 6:4O, LE, OE, CC, 
Ezra 6:8O, LE, OE, CC, 

Ezra 7:14B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Ezra 7:15B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Ezra 7:28B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Ezra 8:23B, LE, 
Ezra 8:25B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 

Ezra 8:27LE, 
Nehemiah 7:30B, L, O, C, LE, OE, 
Nehemiah 7:70LE, 
Job 3:14B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Job 12:17B, L, O, LE, OE, CC,
 
Job 16:5LE, 
Job 16:6LE, 
Job 19:16B, LE, 
Job 19:17B, LE, 
Job 30:6B, L, O, C, LE, OE, 

Job 33:4L, LE, 
Job 39:16L, O, LE, OE, 
Psalm 45:12B, LE, 
Psalm 52:2B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Psalm 107:27B, L, O, LE, OE, 

Psalm 119:24B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Psalm 119:58B, LE, 
Proverbs 11:14B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Proverbs 12:20B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Proverbs 15:22B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 

Proverbs 18:23B, LE, 
Proverbs 19:6B, LE,  
Proverbs 24:6B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Ecclesiastes 12:4B, LE, 
Isaiah 1:26B, L, O, LE, OE, CC,
 
Isaiah 3:3B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Isaiah 7:20B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Isaiah 9:6B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Isaiah 19:11B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Isaiah 19:22B, LE, 

Isaiah 25:7LE, 
Isaiah 38:21B, LE, 
Isaiah 40:13LE, 
Isaiah 40:13B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Isaiah 41:25B, LE, 

Isaiah 41:28B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Isaiah 48:16LE, 
Isaiah 52:12LE, 
Isaiah 58:8LE, 
Isaiah 59:17B, LE, 

Isaiah 59:19LE, 
Isaiah 61:1LE, 
Isaiah 63:10LE, 
Isaiah 63:11LE, 
Isaiah 63:14LE, 

Jeremiah 5:19L, O, LE, OE, 
Jeremiah 22:14LE, 
Jeremiah 32:5B, L, O, LE, SO, CC, 
Jeremiah 34:16L, O, C, LE, OE, 
Jeremiah 44:28L, O, LE, OE,
 
Jeremiah 52:19LE,
Lamentations 3:63B, LE, 
Lamentations 5:14B, LE,
Ezekiel 4:1LE, 
Ezekiel 5:1B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 

Ezekiel 7:11L, O, LE, OE, 
Ezekiel 13:10B, LE, 
Ezekiel 13:11B, LE, 
Ezekiel 13:14B, LE, 
Ezekiel 13:15B, LE, 

Ezekiel 11:5LE, 
Ezekiel 11:24LE,     
Ezekiel 22:28B, LE, 
Ezekiel 31:8LE, 
Ezekiel 36:2L, O, LE, OE, 

Ezekiel 41:16LE, 
Ezekiel 44:29L, O, LE, OE, 
Daniel 3:2B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Daniel 3:3B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Daniel 3:5B, LE, 
Daniel 3:7B, LE, 

Daniel 3:10B, LE, 
Daniel 3:15B, LE, 
Daniel 3:24B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Daniel 3:27B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Daniel 4:36B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 

Daniel 5:5B, LE, 
Daniel 6:7B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Daniel 6:18B, LE, 
Amos 6:5B, LE, 
Micah 4:9B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 

Nahum 1:11B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Nahum 3:14B, LE, 
Habakkuk 1:6L, O, LE, OE, 
Haggai 1:4LE, 
Matthew 1:19B, LE, 

Matthew 4:24B, LE, 
Matthew 5:3L, O, LE, OE, 
Matthew 5:10L, O, LE, OE, 
Matthew 5:23LE, 
Matthew 5:40B, LE, 

Matthew 9:27B, L, O, LE, OE, 
Matthew 12:7L, O, LE, OE, 
Matthew 15:22B, L, O, LE, OE, 
Matthew 17:15B, LE, 
Matthew 20:30L, O, LE, OE,
 
Matthew 20:31L, O, LE, OE, 
Matthew 21:3LE, 
Matthew 21:9L, O, LE, OE, 
Matthew 21:15L, O, LE, OE, 
Matthew 22:42B, L, O, LE, OE, 

Matthew 26:39B, L, O, C, LE, OE, 
Matthew 27:48LE, 
Mark 1:19B, L, O, C, LE, OE, 
Mark 2:1B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Mark 7:12LE, 

Mark 8:23LE, 
Mark 10:47B, L, O, LE, OE, 
Mark 10:48B, L, O, LE, OE, 
Mark 11:25LE, 
Mark 12:7L, O, LE, OE, 
Mark 12:35B, L, O, LE, OE, 

Mark 15:36LE, 
Mark 15:43B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
Luke 6:20L, O, LE, OE, 
Luke 6:29B, LE, 
Luke 15:25B, LE, 

Luke 15:28B, LE, 
Luke 18:38B, L, O, LE, OE, 
Luke 18:39B, L, O, LE, OE, 
Luke 20:14L, O, LE, OE, 
Luke 23:50B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 

John 4:33LE,
John 13:5LE, 
John 15:20L, O, LE, OE, 
John 15:22B, LE, 
John 19:29LE, 

Acts 4:32LE, 
Acts 8:3LE, 
Acts 11:12B, L, LE, OE, CC, 
Acts 11:28B, L, LE, OE, CC, 
Acts 17:18B, LE, 

Acts 24:19LE, 
Acts 28:19LE, 
Romans 4:18B, L, LE, OE, CC, 
Romans 4:19B, L, O, C, LE, OE, 
Romans 9:9B, L, O, C, LE, OE, 

Romans 11:17LE, 
Romans 11:19LE, 
Romans 11:23 (1)LE, 
Romans 11:23 (2)LE, 
Romans 11:24 (1)LE, 

Romans 11:24 (2)LE, 
Romans 11:34B, L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
1 Corinthians 1:2L, O, LE, OE, 
1 Corinthians 1:2L, O, LE, OE, 
1 Corinthians 3:21L, O, LE, OE, 

1 Corinthians 3:22L, O, LE, OE, 
1 Corinthians 4:13B, LE, 
1 Corinthians 8:9L, O, LE, OE, 
1 Corinthians 15:27L, O, LE, OE, CC, 
1 Corinthians 16:18L, O, LE, OE, 

2 Corinthians 1:14L, O, LE, OE, 
2 Corinthians 3:13LE, 
2 Corinthians 3:14LE, 
2 Corinthians 3:15LE, 
2 Corinthians 3:16LE, 

2 Corinthians 8:4LE,
2 Corinthians 12:14L, O, LE, OE,
Ephesians 6:2L, O, LE, OE, 
Philippians 4:3LE, 
1 Thessalonians 2:5B, LE,

1 Timothy 5:1LE, 
2 Timothy 3:9L, O, LE, OE, 
2 Timothy 4:13B, LE,
Titus 3:10B, LE, 
Titus 3:14L, O, LE, OE,

Philemon v18LE, 
Hebrews 12:19LE, 
James 3:17LE, 
1 Peter 2:16B, LE, 
1 John 2:2L, O, LE, OE,');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('321', '9107afee39', 'Preaching', 'The Word of God is the seed sown into the hearts of people. Praise the Lord that you are taking the opportunity to sow.

&quot;Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.&quot; (Luke 8:11).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('322', '2c38486d47', 'refining the KJB', 'With the London Edition listed above, you can see the word in every verse listed in one of the appendices of the second draft of my book: it happens that many &quot;LE&quot; readings are the same as the so-called Cambridge Standard Text Edition.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('323', 'f90be4149b', 'Apostolic Bible / LXX', 'They finally completed their work from a few years ago and recently launched their own Apostolic Bible /LXX.
The Apostolic Bible Interlinear

The Apostolic Bible Polyglot is unique in that it is the only complete Greek Old(LXX) &amp; New Testament in a numerically coded Greek-English interlinear format. The amazing continuity of studying New Testament Greek words in the Old Testament becomes apparent and the process is helped with each Greek word numerically coded with the AB-Strong number appearing above the Greek word. Available on-line and in print is an English-Greek Index and Lexical Concordance of The Apostolic Bible also numerically coded...other numerically coded helps are available on-line at apostolicbible.com such as an Analytical Lexicon, Comprehensive Concordance and Grammar. Here\'s what some of the readers have to say about it....

So much more is conveyed by the original languages. Bravo! And many thanks.....Troy L.
Very Good. Since the NT writers were well-versed in LXX, we can see the influence of LXX on NT....Ng See Chai J.
I have found this material to help as I deepen my Biblical studies, because I do not have a knowledge of the Greek language. ...Daniel T. 
I just gave my copy in print to a friend and teacher of the greek text..and he is so thankful and excited to start reading it....I want to thank all those involved, this is truly a modern treasure...Adam B. 
Free Apostolic Bible 

NOTE: The Comprehensive Concordance of The Apostolic Bible, The Analytical Lexicon of The Apostolic Bible and The Grammar of The Analytical Lexicon of The Apostolic Bible are now in development and downloadable in part. Go to each link for more information.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('324', 'ac1f3d6319', 'Romanists admit &quot;The Passion&quot; by Gibson did damage', 'Rome
December 17, 2007

ITALY\'S film and opera legend Franco Zeffirelli has agreed to become an image consultant to Pope Benedict.

In an interview published yesterday, Zeffirelli, 84, told La Stampa that the Pope did not have a &quot;happy&quot; image.

&quot;Coming after a Pope as telegenic as John Paul II is a difficult task,&quot; he said.

Benedict, elected in 2005, came across coldly, which was &quot;not suited to his surroundings&quot;, Zeffirelli said, adding that the Pope\'s wardrobe should be reviewed.

His robes were too sumptuous and flashy, the director of Jesus of Nazareth and Romeo and Juliet told La Stampa. They should instead reflect &quot;the simplicity and sobriety&quot; seen in the other echelons of the church.

The 80-year-old German Pope did not smile much, but was an intellectual, Zeffirelli said. The Pope also wants Zeffirelli to be a consultant responsible for &quot;defending the faith in cinema, the image of the sacred&quot;, the director said.

&quot;The holy father is very aware that the church\'s cinematographic communication is in ruins today,&quot; he said.

&quot;As a Christian I cannot stand by while this disaster unfolds. I should have the full authority — and the holy father would not deny me — to denounce the continual blasphemies committed with the intention of popularising the Christian message.

&quot;You have to pay attention, as shown by the fallout from Mel Gibson\'s The Passion of the Christ, which irreversibly harmed the memory of millions of people.&quot;

Zeffirelli has brainstormed ideas with the Pope and senior Vatican officials, but will get to work in earnest after his staging of Puccini\'s Tosca next month.

AFP');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('325', 'b162eaf26e', 'Romanist evangelist', 'You have to laugh when you see something like this.

This man Gibson parades his perverted films, full of profanity and lust, then markets his &quot;Christ&quot; film, &quot;The Passion&quot;, as though it were some holy thing (in reality it was full of error!). X-tians get burnt all the time with this blindness and stumble in the dark - some even tried to use this film as an &quot;evangelistic&quot; tool.

&quot;The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.&quot; (Psalm 37:13). &quot;The way of the wicked [i:b162eaf26e]is [/i:b162eaf26e]as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.&quot; (Proverbs 4:19).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('326', '9fc6349f7f', 'Melbourne Library', 'Must be nice to be close to a sizeable city as Melbourne.
For me it is at least 4 hours to get to Vancouver, or six hours to get to Calgary.
Just found out that one can stay at Tyndale House or Cambridge for studies at the libraries there.
tyndale house dot com / Accommodation dot htm');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('327', 'f6e224dbfe', 'Apostolic Bible / LXX', 'The heart of the error: &quot;So much more is conveyed by the original languages.&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('328', '1f6175ae4e', 'Melbourne Library', 'Lots of good historical books available, including the 1638 Edition, 1768 Edition, Pollard\'s Book, Coverdale\'s Bible, 1611 Cambridge reprint from 1909, etc.

I have been able to draw upon all this for writing my book.

I can only account this to providence. I have no idea who else would ever be looking at the 1638 Edition of the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('329', '37a35dd6ba', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'Many modern faith pentecostal preachers are either turning completely to modern versions or criticising the wording of the King James Bible (eg. saying that the word &quot;wish&quot; is wrong in Romans 9:3; 2 Corinthians 13:9; 3 John 2). This presents a major problem for them.

Faith is based on the Word of God, so that Word [b:37a35dd6ba]must[/b:37a35dd6ba], of necessity, be pure for an unadulterated faith to be the result. &quot;So then faith [i:37a35dd6ba]cometh [/i:37a35dd6ba]by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.&quot; (Romans 10:17). &quot;But without faith [i:37a35dd6ba]it is [/i:37a35dd6ba]impossible to please [i:37a35dd6ba]him[/i:37a35dd6ba]: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [i:37a35dd6ba]that [/i:37a35dd6ba]he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.&quot; (Hebrews 11:6).

Since faith pleases God, then this crucial area of a pure Word should not be discarded. We know that Traditional Pentecostals hold to the King James Bible and so have a simple believe the Word approach. &quot;But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.&quot; (2 Corinthians 11:3).

The simplicity that is in Christ is anti-corruption, so a firm foundation is very important for the Traditional Pentecostal.

&quot;If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?&quot; (Psalm 11:3 ). A foundation is firm and fixed.

Jesus identifies the foundation for believers to build on. &quot;Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.&quot; (Luke 6:47,48 ) .

Jesus identifies jot and tittle accuracy for His Word. &quot;For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.&quot; (Matthew 5:18 ) .

Jesus is building His Church (see Matthew 16:18 ) and it must be spotless through the Word of God: &quot;Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.&quot; (Ephesians 5:25-27 ).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('330', 'b563d82a0e', 'Creationism', 'As an addition to this, Victory Faith Centre has put out a statement on creationism with respect to the King James Bible. It should encourage creationists to stay with the KJB and forsake all modern version renderings, which often aid the evolution doctrine.

See http://www.bibleprotector.com/VFC_KJB_Creationism.pdf');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('331', 'b305eb1b04', 'Replenish = To Fill', 'Re: God\'s Built-in Bible Dictionary /Replenish  Replenished
------------------
We have already tackled replenish in the past.
Here is some extra with Replenished.

Replenish=Fruitful and multiply [Genesis 1:28,9:1]
The defining verse is in Genesis 1:22.
And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let the fowl multiply in the earth.

Now look how Replenish is used.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Also notice how subdue is defining the word dominion.

Replenished?
First mention?Isaiah 2:6
..because they be replenished from the east,
Key words?
they be [replenished]
v.7 their land also is full
v.7 their land is also full
v.8 their land is also full

So the immediate definition in its own place is full.

Other places from the built in dictionary?
Jeremiah 31:25
For I have satiated the weary soul,
and I have relenished every sorrowful soul.

:23 also mentions God blessing,again.

Pretty obvious here that refill is not the primary definition,but that satiated or fully satisfied is the proper intention here.

Ezekiel 26:2 shows that Tyrus is replenished at the expense of Jerusalem being laid waste.
Tyrus filled as
Jerusalem is laid waste

God brings Babylon and makes Tyrus to be completely desolate [empty].&quot;Touch MY city,will ya?&quot;

Ezekiel 27:25
This section shows the ships all full of merchandise.

PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:

Holy Bible
There is only one.
*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('332', 'da394b6a35', 'cultural warfare not eternal', '[quote:da394b6a35]Of course, the most absurd of all charges
from the member for Melbourne was about
the Prime Minister. This is the paranoia of
Labor members: even if the Prime Minister
is not involved, even if he is not here, they
will drag him into the debate. They are so
intimidated by him and so preoccupied with
him because of his dominance and their inability
to deal with him. It is a very unequal
match, I concede. They say that he is out to
destroy the ABC and—wait for it—‘remake
the nation in his image’. The Prime Minister
has said himself that he has never claimed to
be victor in the cultural wars, because the
battle of ideas—the cultural debate—is never
ending. He would be the last to say he could
ever—if he sought to and wanted to, and he
does not—remake the nation in his image.
How could you? This is the most pluralistic
democracy with the most diverse number of
public opportunities for debate and input,
whether it be talkback radio, the plethora of
metropolitan, suburban and rural newspapers
or our television stations.

Mr McGAURAN
Thursday, 11 September 2003 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES[/quote:da394b6a35]

In the Millennial Reign of Christ, there will not be sanctioned opposition. Neither will the conflict be never ending. The Gospel is about real peace. The Christmas message is about peace. The men and women of God need to get praying and get acting concerning establishing Christian principles in Australia, so that those who are in the &quot;pluralism&quot; are thrwarted. The conflict of ideas should not be balanced, or allowed to be ongoing, inasmuch as the TRUE Church should have great influence in government, and the Parliament and other offices be filled with Born Again believers.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('333', '89b1806693', 'The One Bible doctrine', 'Some gainsayers say that the King James Bible Only doctrine is outside of Scripture and so is not authoritative.

The fact is that the King James Bible Only doctrine as meaning that there is only one Bible for the Church is a biblical doctrine. We could actually call it the one Bible or one Word doctrine. This is easily established.

Jesus demanded that His Word be preserved: &quot;And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.&quot; (Matthew 24:14). The word &quot;this&quot; means that there were to be no changes. The modernists are pushing another gospel and another Jesus.

Note the following prophetic verse: &quot;Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.&quot; (Hebrews 10:7). This alludes to one Bible: [b:89b1806693]the [/b:89b1806693]volume of [b:89b1806693]the [/b:89b1806693]book. We know that the Bible itself is made up of 66 volumes making up the one book.

The Church must have one Bible for Christians to obey the following: &quot;Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and [i:89b1806693]that [/i:89b1806693]there be no divisions among you; but [i:89b1806693]that [/i:89b1806693]ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.&quot; (1 Corinthians 1:10). The word &quot;same&quot; means that there [b:89b1806693]must [/b:89b1806693]be:
1. Preservation of the right Word throughout Church history.
2. The brethren use the one Bible, not many &quot;bibles&quot;.

Preservation of doctrine is required in the following: &quot;All scripture [i:89b1806693]is [/i:89b1806693]given by inspiration of God, and [i:89b1806693]is [/i:89b1806693]profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness&quot; (2 Timothy 3:16). A book with false doctrines, such as in a modern version, could not be called profitable, so the requirement is for a book that is doctrine specific, clear, not watered down, pure.

Matthew Verschuur said in a post on another forum (I don\'t want to post the whole thread) how modern versions are deficient in many doctrinal areas (as well as watering down the clear preservation Scripture in Psalm 12:6,7):
[quote:89b1806693]What form is Scripture in today, but the King James Bible. I do not think you mean &quot;Scripture&quot; today as to mean the King James Bible only. By rejecting KJBO, the door opens either for alterations in doctrines, weakenings, absences or new doctrines. For example: Do you believe that unicorns existed? Do you believe that the spirit (lowercase) bears witness in earth? Do you believe that God exalts His Word above His name? Do you believe that bats are not birds? Do you believe that there were firmaments (plural)? Do you believe that we should study to show ourselves approved? Do you believe that there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost? Do you believe the last twelve verses of Mark? etc. etc.[/quote:89b1806693]
The ONE BIBLE doctrine is indeed Biblical and since that Bible is now known as the King James Bible, then the King James Bible Only doctrine is Biblical and authoritative and will continue to be established as a firm foundation for Churches in the years to come.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('334', '9364d6e9dd', 'Hearing God', 'Hearing God involves being attentive to His Word. God encourages His people to ask for wisdom regarding specific situations in their lives.

&quot;If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [i:9364d6e9dd]men[/i:9364d6e9dd] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.&quot; (James 1:5).

If guidance is needed, then the Lord will lead into all truth (see John 16:13). It may be that the Lord will answer you by leading you to a particular Scripture and quickening it to your heart. If so, take it in your heart as God\'s promise to you. God has given the assurance that His Word will come to pass.

&quot;For I [i:9364d6e9dd]am[/i:9364d6e9dd] the LORD: I will speak, and the word that I shall speak shall come to pass; it shall be no more prolonged: for in your days, O rebellious house, will I say the word, and will perform it, saith the Lord GOD.&quot; (Ezekiel 12:25).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('335', '8ba0650415', 'The power in the preaching', '&quot;Now the just shall live by faith&quot; (Hebrews 10:38a).

Faith connects a person to the power of God. The godly preacher will want people to live by faith and this is accomplished through the Word of God.

&quot;So then faith [i:8ba0650415]cometh [/i:8ba0650415]by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.&quot; (Romans 10:17). God uses His ministers to preach the Word, so that people who want to hear can grow in faith - &quot;how shall they hear without a preacher?&quot; (see Romans 10:14).

How is the power of God released in the inner man (the heart)? &quot;For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness: but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.&quot; (1 Corinthians 1:18). The Word of God, which is &quot;powerful&quot; (see Hebrews 4:12), must be preached for the people of God to be powerful.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('336', '77ca15d7d2', 'No Geba', 'I have a gentleman that states that he has a Bible that accords with the twelve indicator verses, yet reads Gaba.
I think he may have overlooked something?
He supports Lansing King James Bible publishers.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('337', '8e18ede444', 'Lansing Publishers', 'It appears that this publisher group is on the right track.
But they do have error.
They posted a PDF list of the American changes that I also posted a few weeks back.
This is their concluding statement that I thought warranted some special consideration.
*******
We do not claim that this is an exhaustive list and would appreciate feedback from those finding more changes. Please send them to:
Local Church Bible Publishers
Parker Memorial Baptist Church
1902 E Cavanaugh Rd
Lansing, MI 48910
(517) 882-2112');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('338', 'e113bffa59', 'Welcome', 'This is their welcome statement.
*******
  &quot;The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.&quot;

Welcome!

     In the early 1990\'s, Bro. Deneau began to be burdened about the availability of good quality, King James Bibles.  Local Church Bible Publishers began as a ministry of our church, and today, we have several styles of good quality Bibles available as well as reprints of some good, old books.

     Many of the Bible societies in America have begun taking liberties in changing the text of the King James Bible and it is the desire of Local  Church Bible Publishers to keep the text pure and accurate. 

     We seek to be a blessing to local churches and make these Bibles available at the cost of production.  It is our goal to meet the Bible needs of local churches around the world.

The Bindery Movie');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('339', 'f264c3eae3', 'Confirm', 'Peter, see if you can confirm the following:

I am pretty sure that these people would have capital &quot;Spirit&quot; in 1 John 5:8, Acts 11:12 and in Acts 11:28.

From their information on their website, they do appear to be on the right track. They may have been around for a few years, as their statement on differences in editions seems to be similar to the &quot;Subtle Changes&quot; document that used to be on the Touchet Baptist website.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('340', 'f0be32d0b3', 'All Three have capital S', 'This was the reply of Mongol Servant.
*******
Hi Pete,
Yes, spirit is capitalized in all three(3) listed verses. As a note, Local Church Bible Publishers, put out a paper very similar to yours a couple of years ago, and they defend the pure text, as such. I really appreciate you and your posts, Brother!
*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('341', 'f3cb4e920b', 'Touchet Baptist Article', '[quote:f3cb4e920b]Several years ago, I saw an article on the Touchet Baptist website called &quot;Subtle changes in the KJB&quot;. I have a print out, but I can\'t find it on the internet any more.

However, this &quot;Subtle changes&quot; article has been superceeded by an article by Nic Kizziah, called &quot;BELIEVERS BEWARE OF COUNTERFEIT KING JAMES BIBLES&quot;[/quote:f3cb4e920b]
*******
It appears that this gentleman also makes mention of an article, but not by Touchet, but by Local Church Bible Publishers.
*******
&quot;As a note, Local Church Bible Publishers, put out a paper very similar to yours a couple of years ago, and they defend the pure text, as such.&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('342', 'fcbcd46a07', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and [i:fcbcd46a07]that [/i:fcbcd46a07]ye may have lack of nothing.&quot; (1 Thessalonians 4:12).

It is important for Christians not to gloss over Scriptures just because they initially cannot understand them or because they have been taught a different way in the past. There are many who reject prosperity for Christians because of wrong teaching. Yet, the Lord wants His people to be prosperous, having lack of nothing, and to come out of wrong thinking. In fact, God is looking for His people to respond as follows: &quot;Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.&quot; (Psalm 35:27).

As servants of the Lord, we serve God because we love Him and want His will to be done. The Lord prospers His people, so that they [b:fcbcd46a07]can [/b:fcbcd46a07]serve Him and [b:fcbcd46a07]do the works [/b:fcbcd46a07]that need to be done on the Earth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('343', 'abdbbc8b3d', 'PCE, Concord and Norton.', 'The Touchet article and the Local Church Bible Publishers article are quite similar, in that they both have at times the same information (like a copy and paste).

Anyway, as I suspected, the Lansing people (Local Church Bible Publishers) and also Nic Kizziah (Bearing Precious Seed) are both promoting the Concord Cambridge. This is also the same one Waite prints in the Defined King James Bible.

The Concord was an edit on on the PCE that took place within the past few decades. It is unknown by Cambridge who did this edit.

Norton took the Concord Cambridge and modernised it extensively in about 2005.

These are the different Cambridge Bibles in the last 30 years (1977-2007).

1. Pure Cambridge Edition. Has &quot;Geba&quot; at Ezra 2:26.

2. Concord Cambridge. Is close to PCE, but has Oxford spellings, &quot;counsellor&quot;, &quot;enquire&quot;, and has captial &quot;S&quot; on Spirit in Acts 11:12, Acts 11:28 and 1 John 5:8 and other differences.

3. The Cambridge Standard Text Edition, which seems to follow the late London for modernising spellings, and has lower case &quot;s&quot; on &quot;spirit&quot; in Genesis 1:2, and so on. (Was made in 1993.)

4. The New Cambridge Paragraph Edition was published in 2005. This was the Concord Edition edited by Norton to be like Scrivener\'s edition from 1873. He extensively modernised and changed words throughout. Notably, he has &quot;shown them&quot; instead of &quot;hewed them&quot; in Hosea 6:5.

The Concord and Norton\'s edit are different. The Concord is only a slight impurity. Norton\'s edit is nearly as bad as something like the NKJV.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('344', '041519a2a5', 'Concord impurities', 'Here are some of the impure renderings of the Concord Cambridge: impure first, Pure Cambridge Edition second.

I have only listed one of each type of example, but there are more.

[list:041519a2a5]Genesis 24:57 — — enquire — — inquire (etc. etc.)
These have a possible different meaning.
Exodus 23:23 — — the Hivites — — and the Hivites
This is an English textual issue.
Numbers 6:5 — — razor — — rasor (etc. etc.)
These are spelling differences.
2 Samuel 18:29 — — Is the — — Is the (“Is” is in italics).
This is an italics difference.
Ezra 2:26 — — Gaba — — Geba
This is a spelling difference.
Ezra 6:4 — — expenses — — expences (etc.)
These are spelling differences.
Isaiah 9:6 — — Counsellor — — Counseller (etc. etc.)
These are spelling differences, but here the name of God is changed.
Jeremiah 32:5 — — prosper. — — prosper?
This is improper grammar.
Ezekiel 47:3 — — ankles — — ancles (etc.)
These are spelling differences.
Mark 2:1 — — Capernaum after — — Capernaum, after
This is a grammatical point.
Acts 11:12 — — Spirit — — spirit
This is a doctrinal issue.
Acts 11:28 — — Spirit — — spirit
This is a doctrinal issue.
Romans 4:18 — — nations, according — — nations; according
This is a grammatical point.
1 Corinthians 15:27 — — saith all — — saith, all
This is improper grammar.
1 John 5:8 — — Spirit — — spirit
This is a doctrinal issue.[/list:u:041519a2a5]

As for Norton\'s New Cambridge Paragraph Edition, the differences would run into thousands upon thousands... this crosses the line into outright error (no KJBO should use Norton\'s edition with a clear conscience).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('345', 'a0ca68f93e', 'Another site going pure.', 'After showing some of the errors in his Bible online...
Cody is now asking for a link to change his King James Bible to the Pure Cambridge edition.
*******
I gave him both the University of Virginia and Bible Protector.
*******
Thank you for those lists.
In short order,I also will be doing some comparing of my own.
I have a small collection of older King James Bibles now.
Included is a 1769 Cambridge to arrive any day now.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('346', '5e20c8c68e', 'Concord Edition', '[quote:5e20c8c68e]The Concord and Norton\'s edit are different. The Concord is only a slight impurity. Norton\'s edit is nearly as bad as something like the NKJV.[/quote:5e20c8c68e]
This needs to be emphasised more than ever to the KJBO believers. Every step away from the PCE will only proceed the way of the modern versions and result in unbelief and confusion.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('347', '4333ebf436', 'Going pure!', 'Mongol Servant said, (on Cody\'s forum, [url]http://www.baptist1611.vze.com/[/url])

[quote:4333ebf436]Good article by Matthew. I appreciate his views, but also noticed that he stated &quot;Furthermore, not one of these revisions, that is, purification editions, have at any time altered the text (that is, the English set of words which represent the underlying original language set of words) nor the translation (that is, the English meanings of the English words used to portray the meaning of the underlying original words).&quot; So, I would feel justified with the LCBP edition[/quote:4333ebf436] 

First, when I speak about purification editions, I am speaking about 1611 to 1769, (and the PCE) not about present impure editions that are at variance with the PCE.

Second, I do not wish people to &quot;feel justified&quot; continuing with an impure edition in the face of clear directions showing the best way to go.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('348', 'c006537c7b', 'Could it be Pride?', 'It does seem wonderful that when a person hears the truth and yet does not have immediate repentance.
I think that it could be the pride and the old nature hanging on to what they have invested into.
Maybe time and prayer for this individual will bode as a good method along with the correction.
MS seems determined to hang on to the old ways. Don\'t know why.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('349', 'dd72990e19', 'King James Bible only not a quaint invention of recent times', 'Rick Norris claims that, “A consistent and scriptural view of Bible translation would be true both before and after 1611.”

There is one providential continuum, of which the King James Bible is the product. Everyone knew there was only one real Scripture. That real Scripture was presented in various books, but at times people were aware of problems, e.g. corruptions. The result is that today the Scripture has been presented fully in one volume. However, any other version, for example, Miles Coverdale’s or some Latin one from more than a thousand years before, are not to be rejected from being “the Scripture”, or “the Word of God”. They were used at those times, they were held to be the Word of God and the work of the providence of God at those times. The Scripture is always true. Therefore, holding to King James Bible only today is to see the outworking of what went before. It is no new doctrine but a fruition of the doctrine of the Scripture present in Earth.

Norris continues, “A consistent and scriptural view of Bible translation would apply to all believers, not just those who speak English.”

The solution to this is that the world is learning English, so that the King James Bible would indeed be the Bible for the whole world. Secondly, that the doctrinal division in the Church between truth and error would also be between the King James Bible and the others. Therefore, all believers would indeed be King James Bible only, as the product of the consistent outworking of the providential continuum, whereby God provided the Scripture, though it were scattered and successively gathered, until the super-successionary work of having the King James Bible only from now on.

Norris says, “English-speaking believers before 1611 clearly did not hold to a KJV-only view.”

This is where the same spirit is manifest. It is the spirit of Scripture only. Also, there has been a progression in understanding the providences and the building up of the Church. This is why a sound King James Bible only has been the proper result of true Christianity.

Norris outlines, “The translators of the pre-1611 English Bibles of which the KJV was a revision did not hold to a KJV-only view.”

Their Bibles, while valid and valuable, were really in a progress of betterment. This is because the Word was being gathered, and the formation work being purified. In the providential continuum, they recognised that God was working for improvement, refinement and furtherance. This applies to the state of the Word of God, but also to continuing reformation of the Church and doctrine, and other matters working together, which led to the King James Bible, and to the formation of a sound and proper King James Bible only view.

Norris states, “The Church of England scholars who made the KJV did not hold a KJV-only view.”

Since they were making good Bibles better, they were indeed working in the providential continuum, and they clearly taught that there should be one more exact translation of the holy Scripture into the English tongue, not to be excepted against. The King James Bible only view is compounding, as events continued in the providential continuum, so that in history, people came to recognise the King James Bible only, even though they may have been using the Geneva Bible for a time.

It is not as if the Word of God did not exist, and then did exist in 1611. It is not as if the Word of God was impure, or missing, and needed to me made pure, or re-inspired. The Word of God was present in Earth from the time of the death of the Apostle John, and was scattered and gathered. Those gatherings needed to be purified. The standard to which they were being conformed to was in the mind of the Spirit, and was present in Heaven. It was by providential factors, by the Spirit’s work in the Church, whereby the Word of God was at last presented in one volume being the exact text. That exact text was not in the original languages, but was also an exact translation. It was the King James Bible of 1611.

It is a fact that the Bible in 1611 was not perfectly printed, though the final text and exact translation were there. What needed to occur was refinement of the presentation. These purifications covered clearing up typographical errors, standardising the language and bringing in other regularisation. This editorial work, as was sanctioned by particular revisions in this regard of the King James Bible, was to result in a pure and perfect English text, that is, an exact presentation.

To hold to one exact edition of the King James Bible today is the outworking of all the historical view of believers in the Church in regards to the Scripture. There was always only one Scripture, but as to its perfect presentation in Earth, it was not yet manifest. That a Christian may have only been using a portion of a lesser Latin translation years ago does not discount that the Word of God was not present. In fact, it is because God is all powerful that He was able to minister in the Dark Ages to people, and is able to minister to the whole world one pure Bible text now. It is the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible.

To claim that this view is invalid because it was not yet manifest before 1611 is wrong. People believed in Christ’s return before 1611 without seeing it, and believed that in time God revealed truth. The truth was always there, but knowledge has increased so that there is an ongoing growth in truth. Therefore, the Church of the latter days should far exceed the Church of the former days. Although it seems like the opposite is the case, on the basis of Scripture (such as seed sown multiplies) the Church should actually becoming into its greatest power now (despite apostasy).

&quot;Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.&quot; (Matthew 13:31, 32).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('350', '0245e1d381', 'SWRC', '****On January 2-4, the Southwest Radio Church will be presenting three programs on the King James Bible with guests Dr. Douglas Stauffer who authored the book &quot;One Book Stands Alone&quot; and Luan Stallings who authored the tract &quot;Would you give your child a Bible that says this?&quot;  These programs are available for listening on line right now.  Just go to:  http://www.swrc.com/  Then click on &quot;Broadcast Schedule&quot; and then scroll down.****');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('351', '6efa10b1fb', 'A Triumphant Church', '[quote:6efa10b1fb]To claim that this view is invalid because it was not yet manifest before 1611 is wrong. People believed in Christ’s return before 1611 without seeing it, and believed that in time God revealed truth. The truth was always there, but knowledge has increased so that there is an ongoing growth in truth. Therefore, the Church of the latter days should far exceed the Church of the former days. Although it seems like the opposite is the case, on the basis of Scripture (such as seed sown multiplies) the Church should actually becoming into its greatest power now (despite apostasy).[/quote:6efa10b1fb]
Amidst all the prophesied apostasy is a strong church..that remnant that do know their God and is strong and do exploits.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('352', 'e6d098c6a8', 'SWRC', 'Noah Hutchings is the one who gives Gail Riplinger testimonials.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('353', '7cfa3c5968', 'Gail on Noah\'s Radio', 'Yes.
I have listened to a few interviews of Noah and Gail.
I first remember Noah when I was just moving out on my own.
A troubled teen, but I loved the LORD in my own way.
I had an old crystal radio set that I used at night to get stations from as far as I could find.
I made a huge aerial of wire.
When I heard Noah\'s first line, I was hooked.
God is still on the throne, and prayer changes things.
Every night at the same time, I would quickly try to find the station all alone listening to his sermons and guests.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('605', '1981315137', '', 'Leviticus 19:34 &quot;shall be as&quot; or &quot;shall be unto you as&quot;
Is it &quot;borne&quot; at that verse?
You say that Lev. 22:11 has &quot;born&quot;. Is that so?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('355', 'ad156ccb9f', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '&quot;Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:39).

Those who are deliberately anti-Pentecostal have to gloss over Scriptures to get to their unspiritual position. The command &quot;covet to prophesy&quot; shows that God wants believers to strongly desire what He has to offer. The command &quot;forbid not to speak with tongues&quot; shows that God has a way that the natural man cannot work out. There must be the faith acceptance of God\'s way, which is the way of the Holy Ghost and His leading. &quot;But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [i:ad156ccb9f]them[/i:ad156ccb9f], because they are spiritually discerned.&quot; (1 Corinthians 2:14).

Many will not submit to the Word of God that has been put into the Earth, namely the King James Bible. They use all types of reasonings that seem right to them but, in fact, are utterly wrong. The Spirit of God shows the way but if people use only their natural reasoning, then they will never arrive at the truth. There must be submission to God, even to accepting the hard things that God may reveal. &quot;There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [i:ad156ccb9f]are [/i:ad156ccb9f]the ways of death.&quot; (Proverbs 16:25).

God is calling now for believers to come out of the false pentecostals (ie. the pancosmics). He is also calling people to be Pentecostal in the pure way, namely an acknowledgement that God wants His people empowered to do the great work of evangelising the Earth and standing for the one true Bible.

Do not be ignorant of what God has for His people. &quot;He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.&quot; (Acts 19:2).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('356', '583c6fcb03', 'Hearing God', '&quot;So then faith [i:583c6fcb03]cometh[/i:583c6fcb03] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.&quot; (Romans 10:17).

This Scripture shows that faith comes by hearing the Word of God. To hear the Word of God involves being attentive to it. Reading the Word, meditating on it, listening to it, confessing it are all ways of attending to God\'s Word and hearing it. This provides the basis for the development of faith. People can accomplish great things by exercising their faith, so it is essential to correctly hear God, and to obey His Word.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('357', '2596008ed1', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'On 23 December 1922, Smith Wigglesworth prophesied of the last days Church in his sermon [url=http://www.smithwigglesworth.com/sermons/eif9.htm]The Words of this Life[/url] the following: &quot;I want you to see that in the early church, controlled by the power of the Holy Ghost, it was not possible for a lie to exist. The moment it came into the church, there was instant death. And as the power of the Holy Ghost increases in these days of the Latter Rain, it will be impossible for any man to remain in our midst with a lying spirit. God will purify the church; the Word of God will be in such power in healing and other spiritual manifestations, that great fear will be upon all those who see the same.&quot;

This shows that the final Church on Earth cannot be full of modern versions and their heretical doctrines. The lying spirits behind the modern versions will be driven from the midst of the Church, so that there is a restored purity along the lines of Traditional Pentecostalism. Those who have been open to error and delusion have let in the lying spirits. &quot;Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.&quot; (1 Kings 22:23). This has been the judgment of God upon a disobedient people. God is now leading people to repent for not believing His truth.

God will purify the Church through His Word, namely the King James Bible. &quot;That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word&quot; (Ephesians 5:26).

Some gainsayers say that there are no lies in the modern versions. &quot;They all say the same thing. There is no error.&quot; Such people are deluded. Look at the following example (out of thousands of possible examples) to once and for all see that lying spirits are at work in the modern versions. Note that the King James Bible says [b:2596008ed1]exactly the opposite[/b:2596008ed1] to what the NIV says in Isaiah 9:3. Can [b:2596008ed1]both [/b:2596008ed1]be from God? A choice must be made - either for the pure traditional Bible (the KJB) or the modernist words lying to men.

&quot;Thou hast multiplied the nation, [i:2596008ed1]and [/i:2596008ed1]not increased the joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, [i:2596008ed1]and [/i:2596008ed1]as [i:2596008ed1]men [/i:2596008ed1]rejoice when they divide the spoil.&quot; (Isaiah 9:3, King James Bible).

&quot;You have enlarged the nation and increased their joy; they rejoice before you as people rejoice at the harvest, as men rejoice when dividing the plunder.&quot; (Isaiah 9:3, NIV).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('359', '303ef37114', 'Languages', 'It is amazing how many think that there is only one operation of tongues.
Namely that of Speaking another dialect so that others can hear the words of God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('360', '4a2c53faca', 'KJBO publishers/distributors/shops', 'The following items are being sold by a well known King James Bible only site:

1. King James Bibles of the Concord Cambridge Edition. Since this is not a Pure Cambridge Edition, but has captial &quot;S&quot; on the word &quot;spirit&quot; in 1 John 5:8 and other such issues. This is not the pure edition.

2. Spanish Bibles of various years.

3. Scrivener\'s Greek Textus Receptus and a Bible in Hebrew and Greek.

I wish that they would concentrate on selling the proper edition of the King James Bible rather than other editions or other foreign Bibles.

However, this ministry does sell many other good resources, and some useful books showing how bad modern versions are.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('361', 'f5f40e8ed3', 'Science and the KJB', 'Here is a classic case of a person applying their own knowledge (or the wisdom of men) above the Scripture.

I believe that science is catching up to the Bible.

The King James Bible knew that worker ants were female. Then science caught up.

The King James Bible shows that the speed of light has slowed down. Science is just starting to catch up.

The King James Bible shows that unicorns were real creatures unicorns (not rhinos or dinosaurs but another kind of animal). Science is yet to catch up.

In Matthew 12:40, when comparing to Jonah, we see that a whale is a fish, which does not deny that the whale is a mammal. It is clear that the Bible definition of a fish is wider than the modern definition.

According to the King James Bible, a bat is a fowl. But the NIV lists the bat as a bird!? The definition of fowl in the King James Bible includes, &quot; All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.&quot; (Leviticus 11:20).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('362', '0fbaa5ec69', 'Science', 'The Bible speaks of pure gold - &quot;the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass&quot; (Revelation 21:18b). &quot;And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.&quot; (Revelation 21:21). God knows how to make gates of pure pearl and to produce the best type of gold (pure and transparent) - such gates and such gold man has yet to see!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('363', 'bcf67abd17', 'Preaching', '&quot;And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.&quot; (Mark 16:15).

Those in the Church are to &quot;[url=http://www.biblebelievers.com/abell_album/pages/abell-059.htm]Go ye[/url]&quot; and preach to all creatures that can believe, namely men and women. The reluctance of many to take up this responsibility has meant that only a few have really done so but imagine if the whole of the Church were active in preaching the Gospel of Christ! &quot;For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.&quot; (Romans 1:16). The Gospel is [b:bcf67abd17]the power of God[/b:bcf67abd17]. When we preach it, then God\'s power is available to change sinners into saints, and to change the old inner man into the new man.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('364', '3def72ab9c', 'Exact KJB lettering: nit-picking and a stumblingblock?', 'Does God really care whether or not the King James Bible spells &quot;inquire&quot; or &quot;enquire&quot;? Or is this a non-issue?

Does the perfect God have a &quot;near enough is good enough&quot; view of the presentation of the King James Bible? I mean, does God really have an exact form of His Word in English? Does God have one edition of the King James Bible?

Think about the God who has created complexity, order and absolute laws. He knows about sparrows... &quot;Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.&quot; (Matthew 10:29, 30).

It is true that there is one pure presentation of the King James Bible for today. I say this with all meekness, because I know some people may think it strange that non-American Pentecostals should be saying such a thing. The issue is to do with truth: does Scripture, logic and common sense dictate that there should be a standard and proper King James Bible edition?

It is not enough to say that any KJB will do, or that all are right. Some are manifestly corrupt (e.g. changing words changes doctrines). While proper King James Bibles are right, there are still issues to do with the exact sense that may be clouded by issues such as spelling or the use of capital letters.

The prophet Joel wrote that God would pour out His spirit. The apostle Peter said that God would pour out *of* His Spirit. Note that there is a difference between the case on the letter &quot;s&quot; in the word &quot;spirit&quot;. This comes to an issue today, where some King James Bibles have capital &quot;S&quot; on that word in 1 John 5:8, while the 1769 Edition and the Pure Cambridge Edition have &quot;spirit&quot;. There are doctrinal reasons why &quot;spirit&quot; is correct here too: it is because a person who is born again has the witness of their own spirit (which is born again of the Spirit). Such a distinction is lost or obscured as the modernising trend of changing &quot;spirit&quot; to &quot;Spirit&quot; occurs.

God is not a God of confusion, but the God of a sound mind. And that means that He is also the God who cares for His Word to ensure that it is correct to the very jot and tittle. If people resist the doctrine of an exact edition of the King James Bible as being God\'s best, and turn a blind eye to the providential evidence, I think they are missing out on something good. I want people to be happy, joyful, at peace and at rest that they can with confidence know that we have a pure King James Bible.

It is a blessed thing to see that God has blessed us and given to us His exact Word, exactly correct and knowable, even to the exact spelling and presentation of words.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('365', '360b3cb3ac', 'Where to find out more about the pure King James Bible', 'The following links have information about the pure King James Bible, and lots of resources:

[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com[/url]

[url]http://bibleprotector.99k.org[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('366', '62fca351cf', 'What about the Apocrypha?', '[url]http://www.chick.com/reading/books/158/158_34.asp?FROM=biblecenter[/url]

Dr Sam Gipp\'s Answer Book on Chick\'s website.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('367', '95ac261cbd', 'Women in Ministry', 'Some people wrench the following Scripture out of context to get to their unbiblical position that women should not be in ministry.

&quot;[i:95ac261cbd]As for [/i:95ac261cbd]my people, children [i:95ac261cbd]are [/i:95ac261cbd]their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause [i:95ac261cbd]thee [/i:95ac261cbd]to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.&quot; (Isaiah 3:12). Clearly, the context should determine what type of children would be &quot;oppressors&quot; and what type of women would &quot;destroy the way of thy paths&quot;.

The type of children that would be oppressors is answered in Isaiah 3:5 - &quot;the child shall behave himself proudly against the ancient&quot;.

The type of women that would &quot;destroy the way of thy paths&quot; is answered in Isaiah 3:16,17 - &quot;Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing [i:95ac261cbd]as [/i:95ac261cbd]they go, and making a tinkling with their feet: Therefore the LORD will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts.&quot;

It is obvious that there can be no general rule against women ruling (either inside or outside the Church) on the basis of Isaiah 3, else Deborah the judge (see Judges 4:4), mothers of kings (see 2 Kings 12:1; Proverbs 31:1), Queen Esther (see Esther 5:2), biblical prophetesses (see Luke 2:36), and many other godly examples of women in authority would be out of the will of God.

Clearly, the Devil has pushed the doctrine that women should not rule or be ministers in the Church because it undermines the potential of the Church to minister properly. &quot;Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.&quot; (1 Timothy 5:17). &quot;There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.&quot; (Galatians 3:28).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('368', 'a98cda35db', 'Marketing witchcraft in video games', 'One of the largest video game sites did a poll &quot;[url=http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2955]Have your religious beliefs ever conflicted with your gaming?[/url]&quot; Most respondents said no. Considering the amount of occult philosophy and witchcraft spellcasting in one of the most popular type of video game, the Role Playing Game (RPG), this shows one way the minds of people are captured against the Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('369', 'f3d8dd4a61', 'Words of Comfort', 'Those are words of comfort to my heart.
It does appear that there will be a season of King James Only folk that will resist change or purification.
It is the obvious goal of a King James person to search out the exact truth in the word of God.
To diss a few spelling variances and slight doctrinal errors is wonderful.
I simply do not understand the lack of immediate repentance upon obvious information of the better way.
It is obvious that various KJBOnly folk have their separate camps as well.
Very few will budge from what they consider to be the best way.
This is all I can see.
That they truly believe that where they are is the very best.
I sure do not think that they would be in a sinful state.
But that of time needed for the truth to sink in.
So patience is the order of the day even in the day of Redeeming the time.
All we can do is preach the truth, and leave the rest up to God as we pray for them.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('370', '546e226c58', 'Repentance', '[quote:546e226c58]I simply do not understand the lack of immediate repentance upon obvious information of the better way.[/quote:546e226c58]
Peter, sadly the answer is as simple as what is detailed in Proverbs 13:10 and Psalm 119:165. Pride gets in the way. I think that there is going to be a season in God\'s grace where KJBO people can take the opportunity to repent. If they don\'t, then God will move on to the &quot;Gentiles&quot; (I am taking this as a type) so to speak, which I am taking to mean that there are many amongst the modernist churches who would respond to the KJBO message (and specifically PCE) if only they heard it.

&quot;And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.&quot; (Acts 15:7).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('371', 'da91111dda', 'Reformation is Tough', 'Yes, I can see that one.
Just like Luther tried to reform the catholic church, but realized the ingrained nature of it all.
The new born and the ignorant, yet truth seeking, are a much better breeding ground for the truth of the pure Holy Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('372', '588e90845c', 'Italics', 'The use of italics in the King James Bible (as shown in the Pure Cambridge Edition) should include the following:

Exodus 38:28 “shekels” should be in italics
2 Samuel 18:29 “Is” should be in italics');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('373', 'f1d79fe1f2', 'The Translators to the Reader', '[url]http://www.lamblion.net/Articles/ScottJones/commentary_on_kjv_translators_preface.htm[/url]
For the Cambridge Edition of the Preface see

[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/The_Translators_to_the_Reader.pdf[/url]
For the epistle, see

[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/The_Epistle_Dedicatory.pdf[/url]

We also hear people say that Miles Smith wrote, &quot;that variety of translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures&quot;.

This meant old versions, not modern versions with their dynamic equivalency or paraphrases. And it meant that once the sense was judged, that was what was translated to be in the main text. Other senses were put into the margins.

He went on to write, &quot;so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is not so clear, must needs do good&quot;. This does not mean that there is a pick-and-choose today between the text and margin in the KJB.

It means that the translators CHOSE what was text (i.e. true) and what was marginal (i.e. less accurate (or too literally specific), variant readings, technical notations, etc.)

I like the statement by Thomas Bilson in the Epistle Dedicatory from the front of the King James Bible, which states, &quot;For when Your Highness had once out of deep judgment apprehended how convenient it was, that out of the Original Sacred Tongues, together with comparing of the labours, both in our own, and other foreign Languages, of many worthy men who went before us, there should be one more exact Translation of the holy Scriptures into the English Tongue;&quot;

I believe they were saying that they were making one final English Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('374', '6ea919652e', 'Signs in the earth!', 'According to Acts 2:19 there should be signs in the earth in the last days. These are not just healings or whatever, but also, by Christians having a 100% accurate Bible in English, which is presented with 100% accuracy... now that\'s something!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('375', 'a804d0f7e5', 'Signs in the Earth', 'This coincides with other providential signs, such as the use of English as a global language, knowledge increased and available, and the ability to communicate simultaneously across the globe.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('376', '2fed1fea8a', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;Blessed [i:2fed1fea8a]is [/i:2fed1fea8a]the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight [i:2fed1fea8a]is [/i:2fed1fea8a]in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.&quot; (Psalm 1:1-3).

There is blessing in walking in the way of the Lord. This extends to prosperity to the whole man. If the believer is planted in the right place, then increase must be the result, else how could fruit come? &quot;The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree: he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon. Those that be planted in the house of the LORD shall flourish in the courts of our God.&quot; (Psalm 92:12,13).

The house of the Lord is the Church (see 1 Timothy 3:15). This is where believers must be nourished, &quot;nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine&quot; (see 1 Timothy 4:6). This is where true prosperity in all areas will come. If Christians are to prosper and increase, they must delight in the law of God - His Word - and thereby nourishment comes as the Word is believed.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('377', '75bdf45d15', 'The Church has the perfect Word', 'There is an anti-King James Bible claim that ‘some words were changed, such as &quot;shamefastness&quot; (1611) to &quot;shamefacedness&quot; (1769)’.

The more research I have done, the more I have been able to see that the King James Bible is fully correct. Now, I know that there are various things said by people who support the King James Bible which are incorrect. But I find that there is much ignorance and error in those who are against King James Bible only.

In the case of the above quotation, &quot;shamefastness&quot; is &quot;shamefacedness&quot;, which means modesty or bashfulness. The only thing that has changed here is some letters, not the meaning.

Revision and polishing are all wonderful in the King James Bible, but it comes to a conclusion, and is not an ongoing process. We have &quot;shamefacedness&quot; because it is the standardised and settled form of that word, which meaning was intended in 1611.

While some who are anti-King James Bible only may regarding the King James Bible as beautiful or superior, they are always tearing down the King James Bible from perfection. The real issue is whether or not perfection is really possible. This relates to whether or not present perfection is really certain. They may believe that God is all powerful, but they always must argue that God\'s will is not to manifest perfection presently.

Someone can say that &quot;shamefastness&quot; is different to &quot;shamefacedness&quot; if we examine jots and tittles. They can ask which is perfect, after all, there must be one set of jots and tittles which is perfect in the King James Bible. However, there is a division between perfection of the version and the perfection of the presentation. The version was right in 1611 and 1769. But the presentation was perfected after 1611. When it comes to jots and tittles, we can observe the King James Bible is now perfect in presentation. This is not an ongoing process, like evolution, which is never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Rather, this is a refining process that comes to a satisfying conclusion.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('378', '889839a9ff', 'The Church has the perfect Word', '[quote:889839a9ff]They may believe that God is all powerful[/quote:889839a9ff]
They may [b:889839a9ff]say [/b:889839a9ff]they believe this but their words and actions show that they really don\'t. Their own words and fruits condemn them. &quot;For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.&quot; (Matthew 12:37). &quot;But wisdom is justified of all her children.&quot; (Luke 7:35). Now, we can very well ask, &quot;What are the children of those in devilish wisdom?&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('379', 'eb0535f377', 'Hearing God', 'To hear from God effectively it is important to confess and repent of any sin which may be present. The presence of sin undermines a Christian\'s confidence toward God.

&quot;For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [i:eb0535f377]then[/i:eb0535f377] have we confidence toward God.&quot; (1 John 3:20, 21).

God speaks to us via His Word, and through the voice of the inward witness (God talking to our hearts). He will reveal any areas which need adjustment in our lives if we are open to His correction (which all Christians should be). 

&quot;If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [i:eb0535f377]our[/i:eb0535f377] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.&quot; (1 John 1:9).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('380', 'be1deb5504', 'The Church has the perfect Word', 'Yes, the truth is that those who are against King James Bible only really have to accept a lot of willing ignorance and deception to stay anti-KJBo once they hear the message. The message is that the Almighty God has a present true, pure and perfect Word, the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('381', '282d1035df', 'Some Real Treasures', 'You have some real treasures indeed at your disposal.
WOW!
I have been slowly building up mine own library.
I recently gave half of my library to our church.
Some two hundred or more books.
Most are the text book variety,hard cover.
Everything from six feet of Systematic Theology.
Church history,various commentaries.
Calvin,Arminius,including a huge two volume set with Matthew Henry, and the others.
*******
I find that My library is turning towards God\'s word,exclusively.
Still have a couple hundred books, but they are centred in on Bible translation.I did not give away  my Finney collection.
His work changed me so much, that I have kept all his works.
*******
I now have a good selection of King James Bibles instead of man\'s words.
1612,1668,1663,1726,1769,1785,etc..
I will have to take the time to document them all, as the list keeps growing.
Amongst my collection of Reformation Bibles are a few dozen sheets from various King James Bibles,all sorts of years, 1613,1638...Even a few Geneva sheets and one 1552 edition of Tyndale.
I also have several facsimile editions of Reformation Bibles.
Some were given to me from Gconan.
He was so kind to get me started when I was not working and he saw the passion in my posts and we started a work together in correcting Tyndale\'s 1534 edition from a recent work.
I have finished the New Testament.
Greg has not finished the Old as of yet.
Some of my copies include 1841 Hexapla,Tyndale 1534,Bishop\'s 1568,Whittingham 1557,1884 Mombert\'s work on Tyndale,1611 photographic NT,and others.
Also in my colection are Greek and Hebrew works.
I have some of the typical interlinear works that are available today, plus the Lord gave me an 1805 edition of the Polymicron edition of Griescach,1640 edition of the Greek NT Elzevir,
*******
For my PCE collection I now have a good little handful of Bibles with a few others along the way.
I always use my Bible Protector edition for church and the internet.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('382', 'e828bb49a5', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '&quot;Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [i:e828bb49a5]that [/i:e828bb49a5]no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.&quot; (1 Corinthians 12:3).

The danger of modernists is that their doctrine blasphemes the Lord Jesus Christ. The modern versions err by giving Christ an origin (eg. Micah 5:2), taking away His titles and denying His deity. Such versions cannot have come from the Holy Ghost. Thus, men and women who prophesy or preach or testify concerning Christ must be very certain that they are not following a spirit of error in using modern versions. Yes, many use such &quot;bibles&quot; in ignorance but the light of God\'s Word will be such in the future that there will be no excuse - the King James Bible will be seen as the only Bible. Whereas whole churches and movements have forsaken the KJB now, the reverse will be the case as many repent of listening to the spirit of error and lying spirits.

&quot;We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.&quot; (1 John 4:6). The light of truth will increase and darkness will be dispelled. The spirit of error is of darkness. &quot;For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to [i:e828bb49a5]give [/i:e828bb49a5]the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.&quot; (2 Corinthians 4:6).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('383', '3aa061010c', 'The problem with saying that whales are mammals', 'The problem with saying that whales are &quot;mammals&quot; is that the modernist definition of mammal [b:3aa061010c]excludes [/b:3aa061010c]saying that a whale is a fish. This is easily seen from the [url=http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761565254/Whale.html]Encarta Encyclopedia definition[/url], which reads: &quot;[b:3aa061010c]Whale, large mammal that lives its entire life in the water.[/b:3aa061010c] ... Whales resemble fish in many ways, but they [b:3aa061010c]are not fish[/b:3aa061010c]. Fish are cold-blooded and breathe underwater using gills; whales, on the other hand, maintain a warm and constant body temperature of about 37°C (about 99°F) and breathe air with lungs. Unlike fish, which move their vertical tail fins from side to side when they swim, whales move their horizontal tail fins up and down to propel themselves through the water.&quot;

The modernist definition of &quot;mammals&quot; therefore contradicts the King James Bible, which clearly says that a whale is a fish. The KJB is using the broad definition of &quot;fish&quot; as finned creatures that swim in water.

&quot;For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale\'s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.&quot; (Matthew 12:40). &quot;Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.&quot; (Jonah 1:17).

To say that a whale is a mammal and so (according to the mammal definition) is not a fish introduces a contradiction into the KJBO stand. The best answer, therefore, is to say that Biblically a whale is a fish and that the definition of a whale as a mammal is clearly deficient. The modernist definition of &quot;fish&quot; now excludes whales, so we must not allow this definition to be ours.

The important thing from this is to always let the Bible definition stand and this must override any contradictory modernist definition.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('384', '1077352d92', 'Fish / Whale', 'It is very interesting that God associates the Whale with the fish and other living creatures of the sea,but does single them out in distinction.
Genesis 1:21.
A very thorough LORD have we.

Even the letter W signifies movement, just like waves and whales.

The letter H signifies that of habitation or an house.
The whale lives in the waves.
Is it not interesting that Jonah lived in the belly of the whale who was as big as a house for a few days?God HELD Jonah until he would praise the LORD.

The letter A suggests something else is added.
Life was added and a second chance ensued.
Also for the whale there was an abundance added.

L stands for ALLOW and to go LOW.
There is old Jonah low in the earth, namely the depths of the waters.

E has the sense of horizon, the circle with the opening.
The whale opens his mouth and out comes Jonah to the horizon of the earth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('386', 'd4b5493af8', 'Publick information', 'Several years ago, I saw an article on the Touchet Baptist website called &quot;Subtle changes in the KJB&quot;. I have a print out, but I can\'t find it on the internet any more.

However, this &quot;Subtle changes&quot; article has been superceeded by an article by Nic Kizziah, called &quot;BELIEVERS BEWARE OF COUNTERFEIT KING JAMES BIBLES&quot; you can see it at various places, such as, www.thebelieversorganization.org/article%20-%20Beware%20of%20Counterfeit%20Bibles.htm

Kizziah\'s article certainly brings out a good line of reasoning, and he is really saying that there is a standard KJB, though he cannot define what it is. I would say that Kizziah is on the right track. He then gives a list of various words which are being modernised or altered in recent KJB editions. Kizzah supports the Cambridge Edition, and specifically attacks Cambridge for making wrong changes in their Standard Text Edition (which he claims was first released in 1993, the one I have seen in Melbourne was printed in 2002, and I saw the same one for sale in Sydney in about 2003.) Kizziah is exactly right in slamming this Standard Text Edition (which Norris has posted a huge list of alterations in this one).

Kizziah, while supporting the Cambridge Edition generally, has not understood that the Concord Cambridge Edition is not that old, and in fact, it is in places different to the Pure Cambridge Edition. (I have made a list of examples of differences between the PCE and the Concord in an earlier post in this thread.) Among other things, the Concord has capital &quot;Spirit&quot; in 1 John 5:8 against traditional 1769 Bibles. To understand this issue, also look at my statement at www.bibleprotector.com/purecambridgeedition.htm

Kizziah gives a list of Concord Cambridge readings, which in the main are also PCE readings, and are correct. But because he is using the recent Concord rather than the PCE, he is going to have the Oxfordised errors. He lists one in his checklist for supposedly &quot;real&quot; KJBs.

GENESIS 24:57
enquire (Kizziah\'s so called &quot;real&quot; KJB, actually Concord Cambridge, following Oxford, impure.)
inquire (Kizziah\'s so called &quot;counterfeit&quot; KJB reading, actually Pure Cambridge Edition reading, and found in 1769-conformed Cambridge Bibles all through the Victorian Era as well.)

Thus, Kizziah would incorrectly claim that the following pure renderings are &quot;counterfeit&quot;:
Genesis 24:57, inquire
Exodus 23:23, and the Hivites
Numbers 6:5, rasor
2 Samuel 15:12, counseller
2 Samuel 18:29, Is [italic] the
Ezra 2:26, Geba
Ezra 6:4, expences
Jeremiah 32:5, prosper?
Ezekiel 47:3, ancles
Mark 2:1, Capernaum, after
Acts 11:12, spirit
Acts 11:28, spirit
Romans 4:18, nations; according
1 Corinthians 15:27, saith, all
1 John 5:8, spirit

Kizziah has not understood about the PCE, but seems to have taken the present Concord Cambridge as the &quot;received edition&quot; because it was currently available. (And it is also taken by Waite for his DEFINED KJB.) The problem here is that Cambridge is, as Kizziah points out, now corrupt. In fact, if they had bought a Collins Bible, even as late as 2003 (when Kizziah wrote the article), it would very likely be a PCE. What he and KJB people did not know was that Cambridge was already corrupted before 1993, because the production of the Concord Cambridge is the first sign of real corruption in the KJB. (They had been dancing with the devil for years with the RV and the New English Bible. They had enough sense to abandon Scrivener though, but like Norton said, institutional memory failed, and so they hired Norton to do a Balaam job.)

You see, it is only now, on the basis of a collective of understanding, that we can see what has happened, and how some KJB people have mistakenly held to the Concord Edition rather than the PCE.

See also my article: www.bibleprotector.com/THERE_IS_ONLY_ONE_PURE_KING_JAMES_BIBLE.pdf

I have made various King James Bible people that they should be aware of my website, and this forum is for their learning too. As King James Bible people hear and look at these things, I hope that they are convinced that we do have a pure common standard, a particular edition of the King James Bible which is indeed correct to the jot and tittle, and that needs no revision so much as of one punctuation mark. 

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I will give a brief history.

Knowledge of the history of the KJB has survived through time, though in specialised places. Kilbourne in the 1650s was studying KJBs, which had superseded the Geneva under Cromwell\'s Lord Protectorship. When Blayney edited his 1769 Edition, he knew to use a 1611 Edition, and some certain other editions as important. Thus, when Curtis challenged the Universities concerning their protection of the text, the Universities did not know much, but Oxford reprinted the 1611 Edition in 1833 to show how going back to the 1611 as &quot;a standard&quot; was a completely wrong idea, and promoted the idea of progressive purification, while in the 1830s Cambridge abandoned its 1762 text in favour of the 1769, without some of the Oxford peculiarities (particular spellings). But the information of the textual history was not scientifically studied until 1873, with Scrivener.

There were antiquarians, such as Wilson or Fry, who had done some studies into the old Bibles, and later, Dore. For years people had been talking about revising the KJB. Even Burgon agreed. And certainly, there needed to be a revision. But along came Westcott and Hort, and Scrivener was with them, though not fully agreeing. Besides this, Scrivener did a good thing, which was present facts and history, and he did a bad thing, which was interpret wrongly, and also edit the KJB in a perverted way. So his book in 1884 gave the first complex study of the textual history of the KJB. Lots of facts but also plenty of wrong interpretation.

Scrivener\'s work was held by some who studied the area, but already contemporaries, such as W. Smith and W. Aldis Wright rejected his interpretations. So rather than adopt Scrivener\'s text, even though it persisted in the Cambridge Bibles for Schools and the Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges, Redpath\'s edit became the standard Cambridge text in normal Bibles. W. Aldis Wright did textual studies into the two 1611 editions (1909). But other than Scrivener, there was no real study in the textual history of the KJB, and the PCE increased. 

With the rise of the distinct modern time King James Bible only movement, that is, Hills, Fuller and so forth, there was no real comment on any differences in editions. Hills mentioned that it was already a common attack on the King James Bible only position to be asked, &quot;Which edition?&quot; Hills said any. Hills said that no notable study had been undertaken in the textual history of the KJB after Scrivener, probably due to loss of intrest in the area.

However, because of the continual attack of &quot;Which edition then is the standard?&quot;, and the deception of the NKJV, which claimed to be just another revision like 1769 or something, D. A. Waite spent 1985 checking his 1917 Scofield Oxford Edition against the 1611 reprint. Whereas Scrivener was interested in the 1611 to 1769 picture (and this is the use of Scrivener), Waite was looking at the present (or rather, near present) Oxford versus 1611 picture, that is, the a near present represnation of the Oxford as it had adapted from 1769. Thus, Waite\'s study was the most detailed in the KJBO movement, and the most notable since Scrivener. I suppose that Waite did not use Scrivener to gather his information from, because Scrivener was used by the modernists to attack the KJB, and Waite did his study independent from any existing lists. It seems that while Waite considered his Scofield to be &quot;authoritative&quot; at the time, though his position is very much now in favour of the Cambridge Edition, and he has used the Concord Cambridge Edition in his DEFINED KJB.

I should also mention that the 1833 Oxford reprint of the 1611 also showed variations and errors, including those from the 1613 edition, and that the two American Bible Society attempts to revise the KJB in the 1850s were aware both of this information, and of some slight differences that existed between various Victorian era publishers at that time.

From the late 1980s, several KJBO people have written about the differences between 1611 and the present KJB. Reagan wrote against the &quot;myth&quot; of early revisions. Ruckman wrote that any edition of the KJB was acceptable, with particular reference to the modernised American revision from the 1850s. I read all these articles in 2000, as well as one on &quot;Subtle Changes&quot;. Later, in 2003 Kizziah wrote a more in depth article which basically attacked the recent Cambridge Bibles and accepted the Concord Cambridge. An authorised spokesperson from Bible Baptist Church Pensacola even said that the Cambridge Edition was to be preferred, though any edition of the KJB was acceptable.

Norris must have been doing his research in the 1990s too and beyond, but he was relying foremost on Scrivener.

I began my work in 2000. Some KJBOs deferred to Scrivener, and I have only heard Fuhrman doubt him after I had talked against Scrivener. I read talk by certain KJBOs about a 1852 American Revision, which is in fact very corrupt, and should never have been held in any esteem. But as far as any lists go, I really only had Scrivener and Waite to use.

Then Norton came along, and I bought his book, and I added more to my list, and found out more things to do with the textual history of the KJB. Then, at the start of 2007 I launched my website.

In 2007 I found that Norris had also made a list like Waite had, but a little different, and with the purpose of putting down Waite, which has not, to my knowledge been fully publicly released, though I have asked for the full list several times from the exacting collator.

As far as identifying the Pure Cambridge Edition, the textual comparisons of it with 1611, study of the words of it, the identification of its editor, the times it was printed, its numbers of impressions, comparisons between it and 1769 and other present editions, the seven purifications of the KJB, details of specific variations, and so forth, such labours to discover have been undertaken by myself, and in unity with the leaders of my Church. Most especially we should thank God that not only do we have the knowledge of the pure Word, but that it is present.

Thus, for word lists and comparisons, we have:
Scrivener
Waite
Norton
Verschuur (bibleprotector, the present author)
and, Norris (in part)

Thus, for identifying the Cambridge Edition we have:
Scholars:
Scrivener (generally)
Norton (generally)

Modernists:
White (at least certain readings)
Norris (at least certain readings)

KJBO:
Waite, though Concord (and others, such as Holland, Cloud, etc.)
Kizziah, though Concord
Verschuur (bibleprotector, the present author), specifically in the PCE.

While KJBO defence of the Cambridge Edition has often been of the correct readings, since various such readings agree between the Pure Cambridge Edition and the Concord Edition, the problem is that while the Concord Edition is being used by some, eventually their position, while good and correct concerning many places, e.g. Joshua 19:2, Jeremiah 34:16, Nahum 3:16, etc., it would no longer be good enough to use the Concord as further research and detailed knowledge (which Norton himself does not seem to give any distinctions between the PCE and the Concord, though he acknowledges that there was a collaboration with Oxford to make the Concord), since other variations and particular things came to light, which do indeed show that the PCE is in fact correct rather than the Concord — which Concord was adequate to show major errors of the Oxfords!

Providentially, even though the exact textual knowledge was not known, it took the combination of the scientific textual study in the 20th Century Cambridge Editions directly linked with the spiritual belief that there should be a perfect presentation of the pure Word (KJB), God allowed the KJBO people to use the Concord, which was in many places right, and created a pro-Cambridge atmosphere, and certainly an anti-modern corruption of the KJB atmosphere, but as long as there was either a lingering feeling that any edition was alright, maybe the 1850s American Revision, or that Scrivener’s was respectable, or that we were just using the 1769 Edition, or just the Cambridge Edition without knowing anything about the Concord, where there was a true heart inclined toward purity, then God covered for such “ignorance” because the right spirit was found in those who were indeed truly standing for the pure Word.

&quot;Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.&quot; (Isaiah 48:17).  

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[quote:7029efcaaa]A question that comes up frequently in the Bible Version debate is this: &quot;If you believe that the KJV is the preserved Word of God in English, which edition do you use, seeing that it has been revised many times and in thousands of places?&quot;

Speaking on the &quot;History and Heritage of the English Bible&quot; at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary on March 22-23, 2006, Charles Ryrie stated that there have been some 24,000 variations of the King James Version since its original publication in 1611, and &quot;it\'s just something you might have in the back of your mind to help somebody who thinks King James is the only thing that we should use&quot; (&quot;Christians Are Wasting Heritage of English Bible,&quot; Baptist Press, April 4).

ANSWER:

I will answer this question under the following five headings:

1. There were corrections of printing errors, typographical changes, and spelling updates.

These were done by the British publishers of the KJV and can be grouped into two time periods.

There were updates made between 1613 and 1639 for the purpose of correcting printing errors. The revisers included Samuel Ward and John Bois, two of the original translators. &quot;Some errors of the press having crept into the first edition, and others into later reprints, King Charles the First, in 1638, had another edition printed at Cambridge, which was revised by Dr. Ward and Mr. Bois, two of the original Translators who still survived, assisted by Dr. Thomas Goad, Mr. Mede, and other learned men&quot; (Alexander McClure, The Translators Revived, 1855).

An update was made between 1762-69 to correct any lingering printing errors and to update the spelling, enlarge and standardize the italics, and increase the number of cross references and marginal notes. The revision was begun in 1762 by Dr. F.S. Paris of Cambridge University and completed in 1769 by Dr. Benjamin Blayney of Hertford College, Oxford University. &quot;The edition in folio and quarto, revised and corrected with very great care by Benjamin Blayney, D.D., under the direction of the Vice-Chancellor of Oxford, and the Delegates of The Clarendon Press, in 1769&quot; (McClure, The Revision Revised). The revision was made by collating the then current editions of Oxford and Cambridge with those of 1611 and 1701.

2. All of the changes were of a minor nature, such as the following:

** Printing errors were corrected. This was almost exclusively the nature of the corrections made in the 28 years following the first printing. Consider some examples:

Psalm 69:32 -- &quot;seek good&quot; was a printing error in the 1611 that was corrected to &quot;seek God&quot; in 1617

Ecclesiastes 1:5 -- &quot;the place&quot; was a printing error in the 1611 that was corrected to &quot;his place&quot; in 1638.

Matthew 6:3 -- &quot;thy right doeth&quot; was a printing error in the 1611 that was corrected to &quot;thy right hand doeth&quot; in 1613.

Consider some famous printing errors that have appeared in printings of the King James Bible:

The Wicked Bible (1631) omitted &quot;not&quot; in &quot;Thou shalt not commit adultery&quot; in Exodus 20:14.
The Printer\'s Bible (1702) read &quot;printers have persecuted me&quot; instead of &quot;princes&quot; in Psalm 119:161
The Vinegar Bible (1717) read &quot;The Parable of the Vinegar&quot; instead of Vineyard.
The Ears to Ear Bible (1810) read &quot;who hath ears to ear let him hear&quot; in Mat. 14:43.
The Rebekah\'s Camel\'s Bible (1823) read &quot;And Rebekah arose, and her camels [should be damsels]&quot; in Gen. 24:61.

** The use of italics was more standardized and its use was expanded. 
Spelling and punctuation were updated. For example, old English had an &quot;e&quot; after the verb (i.e., feare, blinde, sinne, borne), used an &quot;f&quot; for the &quot;s&quot; except at the end of words (alfo instead of also) and &quot;u&quot; for the &quot;v&quot; (euil instead of evil). Consider how 1 Corinthians 14:9 was written in 1611: &quot;So likewise you, except ye vtter by the tongue words easie to be vnderstood, how shall it be knowen what is spoken? For ye shall speak into the aire.&quot; Or Genesis 1:1-2: &quot;In the beginning God created the Heauen, and the Earth. And the earth was without forme, and voyd, and darkenesse was vpon the face of the deepe: and the Spirit of God mooued vpon the face of the waters.&quot;

** A large number of new marginal notes and cross-references were added.

3. Donald Waite of Bible for Today compared every word of the 1611 KJV with a standard KJV in publication today (the 1917 Scofield which uses an Oxford text).

Dr. Waite\'s study is entitled &quot;KJB of 1611 Compared to the KJB of the 1917 Old Scofield&quot; (BFT1294) and can be obtained from Bible for Today, 900 Park Ave., Collingswood, NJ 08108, http://www.biblefortoday.org/. He counted all of the changes that could be heard. The largest number of changes were spelling (e.g., &quot;blinde&quot; to &quot;blind&quot;), but as these have no real significance he did not count them. Waite says: &quot;The purpose of my study was to show that when the New King James Version (NKJV) editors believed that \'the King James Bible should once more be sensitively revised\' (p. 2). THE IMPLICATION IS THAT THE NKJV WAS \'JUST ONE MORE REVISION.\' Yet the NKJV made upwards of 100,000 changes in the English words. I wished to show that the changes from the 1611 to the 1769 KJB were MINOR compared with the MAJOR numbers of changes in the NKJV. ... The 1,095 figure would be only about 0.14% changes which would be even more minor. Compared with the NKJV, if there are 100,000 changes (and there are probably many more), this would be about 12.6% changes which would show that the NKJV was a far different kind of a revision than that of the 1769 Old King James Bible which we now have. The NKJV is not &quot;just one more \'revision\' of the KJB. It is a new translation.&quot;

Waite found only 1,095 changes* that affect the sound throughout the entire 791,328 words in the King James Bible. Of these, the vast majority are minor changes of form, such as &quot;towards&quot; changed to &quot;toward,&quot;  &quot;burnt&quot; changed to &quot;burned,&quot; &quot;amongst&quot; changed to &quot;among,&quot; &quot;lift up&quot; changed to &quot;lifted up,&quot; and &quot;you&quot; changed to &quot;ye.&quot; Obviously these are not real changes of any translational significance. [* Waite\'s original report stated that he found 421 changes that affect the sound, but he later revised that to 1,095 changes.]

Dr. Waite found ONLY 136 SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES (out of 791,328 words) between the original KJV of 1611 and the contemporary Oxford edition. Most of these changes were made within 28 years after the original publication of the KJV and were the simple correction of printer\'s errors. Following are some of the 136 substantial changes:

1 Samuel 16:12 -- &quot;requite good&quot; changed to &quot;requite me good&quot;
Esther 1:8 -- &quot;for the king&quot; changed to &quot;for so the king&quot;
Isaiah 47:6 -- &quot;the&quot; changed to &quot;thy&quot;
Isaiah 49:13 -- &quot;God&quot; changed to &quot;Lord&quot;
Isaiah 57:8 &quot;made a&quot; changed to &quot;made thee a&quot;
Ezekiel 3:11 -- &quot;the people&quot; changed to &quot;the children of thy people&quot;
Naham 3:17 -- &quot;the crowned&quot; changed to &quot;thy crowned&quot;
Acts 8:32 -- &quot;shearer&quot; changed to &quot;his shearer&quot;
Acts 16:1 -- &quot;which was a Jew&quot; changed to &quot;which was a Jewess&quot;
1 Peter 2:5 -- &quot;sacrifice&quot; changed to &quot;sacrifices&quot;
Jude 25 -- &quot;now and ever&quot; changed to &quot;both now and ever&quot;

Further, there are a few differences between the Oxford and the Cambridge corrected editions that can still be found in current editions of the KJV. Following is one example:

Jeremiah 34:16 -- Cambridge has &quot;whom YE had set at liberty&quot; while Oxford has &quot;whom HE had set at liberty&quot;

4. The most thorough study ever done on the various editions of the King James Bible was by Frederick Scrivener in the late 19th century.

He was the author of the Cambridge Paragraph Bible, which was an &quot;elaborate attempt to publish a trustworthy text of King James\' version.&quot; It first appeared in 1873 and was republished in 1884 accompanied by Scrivener\'s valuable Introduction and Appendices as The Authorized Edition of the English Bible (1611): Its Subsequent Reprints and Modern Representatives (Cambridge: University Press, 1884). One of the Appendices is a &quot;List of original readings of the Bible of 1611 examined and arranged&quot; and another is a &quot;List of wrong readings of the Bible of 1611 amended in later editions.&quot; Scrivener also analyzed the KJV\'s underlying Greek text and tabulated the number of times that it varied from the Stephens and the Beza editions of the Received Text. A reprint of Scrivener\'s important book is available from Bible for Today. It is also available on CD from Sola Scriptura Publishing, 1118 SW Orleans St., Topeka, KS 66604. http://www.solascripturapublishing.com, mlangley1@....

5. What is the significance of these facts?

First, we see that the KJV has gone through such a strenuous purification process that the reader can have complete confidence in its accuracy.

Also, any idea that the KJV was &quot;given by inspiration&quot; is disproved. If it were &quot;given by inspiration&quot; in 1611 it would not have needed any sort of correction or refinement, because it would have been infallible in every detail. Those who teach that the KJV is more than an accurate translation, that it is given by inspiration and perfect and inerrant in itself and advanced revelation and such must show us exactly which edition they are referring to.

[Way of Life Literature\'s Fundamental Baptist Information Service. David Cloud].[/quote:7029efcaaa]

Dr Cloud\'s article is quite good.

I will add the following notes:

&quot;There were updates made between 1613 and 1639 for the purpose of
correcting printing errors.&quot;

In fact, already the second edition of 1611 was correcting errors of
the first edition. The date of 1639 would better be given as 1638.
Furthermore, corrections have appeared at various times in editions
from 1638 to the 1762-69 work(s).

&quot;revision was begun in 1762 by Dr. F.S. Paris of Cambridge
University...&quot;

Actually, I am of the opinion that it was Thomas Paris (e.g. see
Pollard, 1911), and it was completed in 1762.

&quot;and completed in 1769 by Dr. Benjamin Blayney of Hertford College,
Oxford University.&quot;

Blayney took Paris\' 1762 Cambridge work, and completed the work in
1769, that is correct. Cambridge continued to publish 1762-style
editions until about 1835. Then they adopted the Oxford edition, but
changed some spellings.

Moreover, not only were there two Blayney editions of 1769, but there
were some errata, (Eyre and Strahan reported in 1806 that 116 errata
were discovered to have existed in the 1769 Edition) and even a
slight further edit in 1817 (by D\'Oyly and Mant).

The 1769 had &quot;Beer-sheba, Sheba&quot; in Joshua 19:2, D\'Oyly and Mant made
it &quot;Beer-sheba, and Sheba&quot;.

Furthermore, both the Victorian Era Oxford and the Cambridge were
both edited around 1900. The Cambridge, now called the Pure Cambridge
Edition, included the change of &quot;Beer-sheba, or Sheba&quot; in Joshua
19:2. The Oxford made the change from &quot;spirit&quot; to &quot;Spirit&quot; in their
edition in 1 John 5:8.

In the 1970s or so, the Concord Cambridge was made which adopted some
Oxford renderings but kept some Cambridge differences too. Waite has
called the Oxford renderings &quot;errors&quot; (when compared to the
Cambridge).

Sadly, some KJBOs have been promoting the Concord Cambridge rather
than the preceeding pure edition.

&quot;Waite found only 1,095 changes* that affect the sound throughout the
entire 791,328 words in the King James Bible.&quot;

Waite based these figures on Rick Norris\' work in 2007. These figures
are slightly wrong. For example, both Waite and Norris count &quot;y&quot; with
a letter &quot;e&quot; above it, which now is &quot;the&quot; as a change. This is not a
change. The &quot;y&quot; symbolises the thorn, which has the pronunciation
of &quot;th&quot;, the &quot;e&quot; the final letter, therefore, it was &quot;the&quot; in 1611
just as it is &quot;the&quot; so appearing today. Waite claims he was judging
by ear, and in this case, he would never have accepted that change.
My own count is that there are about 2387 differences, which is
because I counted by a more thorough methodology.

Also, I have counted 789,631 (not 791,328) words in the Bible,
counting all hyphenated and apostrophised words as one whole word.
Now, I know that Exodus 23:23 differs between editions as to one
word, but my word count is of actual Scripture, not of psalm
superscriptions, epistle subscriptions, book titles, paragraph marks
or anything else.

&quot;The most thorough study ever done on the various editions of the
King James Bible was by Frederick Scrivener in the late 19th century.&quot;

Actually, Scrivener\'s work has been furthered by David Norton, and my
own studies have been based on both the above, with reference to
Waite\'s original document, and to Rick Norris\' work. You can get it
for free at my website, www.bibleprotector.com, or get just the
relevant documentation I am referring to here at
http://bibleprotector.99k.org/Appendices.zip

Scrivener\'s work and Norton\'s work (&quot;A Textual History of the KJB,
CUP, 2005) are good documentary evidence, but poor in regards to
belief in the sacred Word.

&quot;First, we see that the KJV has gone through such a strenuous
purification process that the reader can have complete confidence in
its accuracy.&quot;

Amen. We have a purified Bible. And I believe that the Pure Cambridge
Edition was and is it.

&quot;Also, any idea that the KJV was &quot;given by inspiration&quot; is disproved.
If it were &quot;given by inspiration&quot; in 1611 it would not have needed
any sort of correction or refinement, because it would have been
infallible in every detail. Those who teach that the KJV is more than
an accurate translation, that it is given by inspiration and perfect
and inerrant in itself and advanced revelation and such must show us
exactly which edition they are referring to.&quot;

While I agree with Cloud that the KJB was not produced in 1604-1611
by inspiration, I also can show that the KJB is perfect and inerrant
in itself, and I do show which edition is the one I am referring to.
It is called the Pure Cambridge Edition.');
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('389', '9d2770411c', 'Printer\'s mistakes and edition impurities', 'I have said that printer\'s errors appear in Pure Cambridge Editions printed by Cambridge and Collins.

I am talking about unique typographical errata, that have occurred by accident in Cambridge and Collins productions. This is different to edition variations, which are always the same when we compare an Oxford and a Cambridge together (e.g. at Joshua 19:2). If an edition of the King James Bible differs to the Pure Cambridge Edition in one of the twelve tests, then that edition is not the Pure Cambridge Edition. That is how I divide or judge whether a text is a PCE.

For example, I have a Pure Cambridge Edition from 1938 which is missing a full stop from the end of one of the Gospels. I am not writing it off because it is missing a full stop. That unique printer’s error is not the same as the perpetuation of certain renderings in, say, Oxford editions.

After all, that missing full stop still constitutes a blemish, and someone could say that this is not quite perfect. But I am not uncertain or lost as to that full stop. This is because I have the conclusion, namely, that there is one consensus in all different printings of the Pure Cambridge Edition. This is the exact thing which is published by the Bible Protector ministry, and that the text made available on my website is without typographical error.

Therefore, even accidental typographical errors have now been eliminated.

This is how I rank presentations of the Scripture:

1. Any or all editions of the Textus Receptus are better than the Vulgate
2. A Reformation Bible is better than the Textus Receptus
3. An English Reformation Bible is better than a foreign Reformation Bible
4. The King James Bible is better than an English Reformation Bible
5. A 1629 Cambridge Edition is better than a 1611 or Barker Edition
6. A 1769 Oxford Edition is better than a 1769 Cambridge Edition
7. A Pure Cambridge Edition from the 1920s is better than the Scofield Oxford Edition from 1917
8. The Bible Protector presentation of the PCE free from typographical error is better than the text presented in any individual Pure Cambridge Edition impression printed by Cambridge from any time

Please note that I am saying &quot;better&quot;.

Some people have been using the Scofield Oxford or the Concord Cambridge King James Bible.

I could not with a clear conscience be going to these editions. The reason why is because I know God’s Word is supposed to be manifestly presented pure, and that since differences exist in King James Bibles, in those tiny details, one edition has to be ultimately right. I am certain that I have found that one edition. And so certain am I, that I have laboured to ensure that there is not even one accidental error in the Scripture text of that edition which I am presenting to the world.

“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.” (Deuteronomy 4:2).

“all the words that I command thee to speak unto them; diminish not a word:” (Jeremiah 26:2b).

“And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.” (Habakkuk 2:2).');
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We see here that people trust in Christ when they have &quot;heard the word of truth&quot;. This requires the preaching of the Word of God from the pulpit, not fanciful sob stories designed to target people into an emotional decision. The word of truth must show the sinner the great danger of remaining a sinner or &quot;servant of sin&quot; (see John 8:34). This precious word must also show the solution for the sinner, which is trusting in Christ - &quot;God our Saviour&quot; (see 1 Timothy 2:3).

&quot;But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.&quot; (Romans 6:17,18).');
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A one off typesetting mistake, an isolated printing mistake, a temporary typographical error may appear in one printing of a work.

For a start off the change was not due to deliberate editing.

Often times proofreading eliminates these mistakes anyway.

It is not a hard thing to understand, but some people do not want to understand.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('393', 'd6d0d1052f', 'Heart attitude', '[quote:d6d0d1052f]It is not a hard thing to understand, but some people do not want to understand.[/quote:d6d0d1052f]
Yes, I agree. I think there is a heart attitude involved here, so there must be an examination of the heart to go forward.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('394', '3e6688000b', 'Women in Ministry', '&quot;Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [i:3e6688000b]they are commanded[/i:3e6688000b] to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:34, 35).

Another point which shows that this Scripture does not apply to all women throughout history is that not all women have husbands, so it can\'t mean [b:3e6688000b]all[/b:3e6688000b] women should keep silent.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('395', '485dd7e840', 'David Cloud, Donald Waite, etc.', 'Rick Norris has stated, &quot;The facts from these Oxford editions shows that all the updating was not finished by 1769.&quot; I have looked at various Cambridge and Oxford Editions, and I have seen that the “updating” (as Norris calls it) was finalised in the circa 1900 Pure Cambridge Edition.

Norris also challenged Donald Waite\'s count of differences between the 1611 and the Scofield Oxford Edition of 1917. Waite revised his statements in the light of Norris\' research.

The anti-King James Bible only writers on the internet seem to attack Donald Waite and David Cloud, even though both these men do not overtly believe in a 100% accurate/true/pure/exact/full King James Bible as the final present to future authority.

Waite believes that the King James Bible is not a 100% full translation, though he believes it is accurate.

Cloud believes that the English language of the King James Bible is still open to revision and change.

Both believe that the authority of the Scripture is in the original languages, not in the English. This seems to be exactly the same thing that Rick Norris believes, yet Norris openly challenges them!

I will give credit and say that Norris, Waite and Cloud all make valid points at times, but I also see that none of these men have a proper view of the final English Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('396', '44bd0f0a70', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '&quot;Ordained men in pulpits, professors\' chairs and press, are now doing more to [b:44bd0f0a70]undermine faith in the Word of God than all outside infidels[/b:44bd0f0a70]. When the conscientious and strenuous faith of the Church is relaxed, she can have but little influence on the world. Our splendid intellectual and materialistic civilisation bewitches the people with a frenzy of money-making, pleasure-seeking and monumental egotism&quot;
(&quot;Laodicea&quot;, Redemption Tidings, Vol.1, No.2, October 1924, Published by the Assemblies of God in Great Britain and Ireland).

The seeds of destruction had been planted against true faith in the Word of God in the early 1900s. Even though Traditional Pentecostalists continued in the use of the KJB right through the 1900s, as intellectual bewitching through modernist doctrine, methods and versions intruded, then the falling into apostasy continued.

Today, we can say with Paul, &quot;who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth&quot;? (see Galatians 3:1). To come out of such bewitching there must be a receiving of the love of the truth, otherwise strong delusion results. &quot;And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie&quot; (2 Thessalonians 2:10,11).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('397', '45abcddaf9', 'Yeshua is false', 'I believe that Yahweh and Jehovah are two different persons. That is also what I believe about Yeshua and Jesus. Now, I know some people may say that &quot;Yeshua&quot; is just another language for &quot;Jesus&quot;, but I disagree: just as there are false Christs, you would find that the Yeshua religion is different from the Christian. For example, the Yeshua movement tends toward ideas of Jewish private interpretations. It is because Yeshua, like Yahweh, is a figure belonging to a different religion. The Yeshua/Yahoshua people do not even identify themselves as &quot;Christians&quot; (see Acts 11:26).

Note how their speech differs exceedingly to our own (here is a recent quote from the internet):

&quot;Shalom...  I am a Messianic Jew. ... Yeshua&quot; is the name of our Messiah ... Your Brother in Messiah&quot;.

As you may notice, they do not embrace our English Protestant tradition, but reject all kinds of words which are in the King James Bible, like &quot;Church&quot;, &quot;Jesus&quot; and &quot;God&quot;.

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Although the sound of &quot;J&quot; may be absent in modern Hebrew, Biblical
scholarship based on the English Protestant tradition views the King
James Bible as the preserved form of the Old Testament, therefore, the
English &quot;J&quot; sound must at least be acceptable. I think it is the
providential necessity. There is a Biblical case to show that the Jews
and Hebrew-speakers should be turned to a pure language other than
Hebrew (Zephaniah 3:9), which I believe is King James Bible English.
Moreover, they should hear the truth (the Gospel) in another tongue
which is not Hebrew (Isaiah 28:11), which I believe is English. See
also Deuteronomy 32:21, Isaiah 65:1 and Malachi 1:11. Therefore, I
believe that Ezekiel 39:7 is a prophecy about restoring the name of
JEHOVAH. &quot;So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people
Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the
heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.&quot;

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It is also said that &quot;Jesus&quot; does not mean &quot;salvation&quot; in English
and is really not the name of our Messiah.

I object altogether, because Jesus means &quot;Jehovah saves&quot;, and that is
plain from Matthew 1:21, where &quot;JESUS&quot; shall save His people from
their sins. Now, Isaiah 12:2 states that JEHOVAH is &quot;my salvation&quot;,
and how did He accomplish this, but by sending His Son for our
salvation, and to turn His people from their iniquities, and by the
Spirit to give times of refreshing, which includes the rise of King
James Bible teaching, &quot;For with stammering lips and another tongue
will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest
wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing:
yet they would not hear.&quot; (Isaiah 28:11, 12).

Here is certainty: &quot;what is his name, and what is his son\'s name, if
thou canst tell? Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them
that put their trust in him.&quot; (Proverbs 30:4b, 5). The answer to the
certainty of God\'s name and our salvation is in having a book where
every word is pure: the King James Bible.

Thus, the name of God and the salvation of God is not only
communicable in English, but is certain there, unlike the prevailing
doctrine in the present &quot;Hebrew&quot;.

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&quot;Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by
the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God
raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you
whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders,
which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in
any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men,
whereby we must be saved.&quot; (Acts 4:10-12).

Here we have the pure Word clearly teaching that salvation is through
the name of &quot;Jesus&quot;.

&quot;But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept
upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and
there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken,
and snared, and taken.&quot; (Isaiah 28:13).

The builders have rejected the name of God. The builders have
rejected the name of the Son of God. And yet there is a building. It
is built by others.

&quot;Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from
you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.&quot;
(Matthew 21:43).

God has caused new builders to subsume the task. Therefore, there is
also another language which is used, and all things possible are set
to help you with the true Word.

&quot;Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy
they also may obtain mercy.&quot; (Romans 11:31).

&quot;Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the
captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel,
and will be jealous for my holy name&quot; (Ezekiel 39:25).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('398', 'db4fe4c5aa', 'King James almost only', '[quote:db4fe4c5aa]I will give credit and say that Norris, Waite and Cloud all make valid points at times, but I also see that none of these men have a proper view of the final English Bible.[/quote:db4fe4c5aa]

While the reading of some of these certain gentlemen have been sparse in my own life, what I have read and heard, I must agree.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('399', 'cbe14e9084', 'What is Biblical preaching?', '&quot;And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [i:cbe14e9084]even [/i:cbe14e9084]unto the end of the world. Amen.&quot; (Matthew 28:18-20).

The Bible preacher will always rely on God\'s power in preaching. Because Christ dwells in our hearts by faith (see Ephesians 3:17), then what we preach must come through His empowerment, else it will be little more than clanging cymbals. Preaching has the element of teaching and has the potential to change nations. Nations must be taught to observe the commandments of Christ and this requires preachers who are faithful in preaching the pure Word of God without embellishment.

&quot;For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.&quot; (1 Corinthians 1:21). Preaching may seem foolish to many but it is the God-ordained way to get people saved and taught in the Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('400', 'cb510da4c6', 'Why captitalise the beginning of chapters?', 'In the King James Bible, you will notice that the first word of a chapter is in capitals letters. Some people, when they take away the captials, make the first word in Psalm 90 &quot;Lord&quot;, and some make it &quot;LORD&quot; (with small capitals ORD). Since the King James Bible normally makes the first word capital, or the first two words, if the first word is one character, this is why the electronic forms of the Pure Cambridge Edition have captial letters at those places.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('401', '06e6a38169', 'Capitals', 'I think that the 1611 edition capitalized the first two letters of the chapter.
THe
T would be ornate with a picture, sometimes quite Alchemical.
For the second letter; You can tell the capital letter by the double lines in the letter as compared to the regular small case letters.
The size of the print may be as the small case letters on the second letter; nevertheless it shows itself to be a capital by having the double lines in the letter, in some fashion or form.

I do  not know much about the artist that did all of the copper engravings, but they match all the Alchemical materials of that day in spades.
Riplinger on the opposite side has tried to display  that the art even depicts the truths of the Bible.
This may be true, but this would be better tempered if we could find some information of our 1611 artist C.Boel. Mostly, one sentence quotes; off cuff, at best. Was he into Jesus or Alchemy? Arrg!
I know he was in demand at that time.
I have pictures of Alchemy in the 1500\'s that depict this very picture at the bottom of the front page.

I have searched some, but have not come up with anything substantial as of yet.I found a B.C. site of the Masons with this very picture.
I asked them about it, but no response.
I think that I may try again and see if another eye will see it.

This is one aspect that I have been keen to find out.
Another is the OLD Latin.Seeing that there was no real definitive text.
But much does agree with the AV.
I have a site that I have found in my discoveries, that shows this, if one takes even a few minutes to investigate.
The last, of course is the Holy Bible\'s own Built-in Bible Dictionary.
But we all know the real purified goal of any real KJber, is this;
What is the very final authority that puts to silence any critic of the KJB when they scream &quot;Which version of the KJB?&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('402', '7802c79562', 'A word of thanks..', 'Thanks you guys for standing for the pure words of God.
Not only that, but you also stand for all that is contained in the words of God.
That includes the gifts of the Holy Ghost.
A wonderful testimony.
Balanced and strong!
I believe that the next powerful wave of the Spirit will include KJBers that are not Pentecostal, but end up realizing this fact as a most wonderful truth and experience. Acts 2:39 [It will not be powerful in the world\'s eyes nor the Laodicean Church.]
Plus...with the superior conviction of the truth of God\'s word, they will repent of this one sin. This is because they have been equally yoked to Baptist doctrine as a final authority as well. It has served a great purpose, but truth must be revealed continually.
Most denominations fall, simply because they do not grow in the knowledge of the LORD Jesus Christ.
They stay in their own temporal euphoria position as the be- all and end-all.
This is in no way a smear against the beloved Baptists.
I was one, and have a great heart for them.
I as they, both need to grow in the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.

*******
To them,
Rightly dividing the word of truth simply means, following the party line instead of only the word of God. They will most definitely claim that they are rightly dividing the word of truth.
BUT...
they know and feel that when they cross even one line...they will not be accepted.
Speak the same thing ect......
Is the catch phrase that has them hooped for now.
But,,as it is showing now in a trickle, there will be many more that come to the Pentecostal way.
The Church at large has seen this for at least 100 years.
It could be that only a pure remnant do convert to biblical Pentecostalism.
If this is true.. then there will be much concern for physical safety, for even if just a handful of these folk fall; the leading to persecution because of their hands could be very intense and great.

Again, Thanks you guys for standing strong in the truth of ALL of the word of God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('403', 'ddcc143c58', 'Gifts of the Holy Ghost', 'Peter, you are to be commended for standing for the truth of the pure Word, despite opposition. We pray that one day there will be thousands like you.
[quote:ddcc143c58]This is because they have been equally yoked to Baptist doctrine as a final authority as well.[/quote:ddcc143c58]
The Baptist doctrine has truths, of course, but it does neglect the vital doctrines associated with the Holy Ghost, such as the baptism of the Holy Ghost. The power to witness of God\'s Word should be evident but barriers have been put in place by devils. Pentecostal power to be witnesses is indeed needed if there is to be the mighty evangelism of the world and with the one Bible. &quot;But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.&quot; (Acts 1:8).
[quote:ddcc143c58]But,,as it is showing now in a trickle, there will be many more that come to the Pentecostal way.[/quote:ddcc143c58]
For those open to receive it, the Traditional Pentecostal way will be seen as truth. Anyone now can come to this site and forum, for instance, and with an honest heart search the Scriptures for themselves and come to the right conclusions.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('404', '07254310cd', 'What are the consequences of false religion?', 'Followers of false religions are filled with their own ways and scorn the truth, which is destructive for them. People who love false ways and hate the true God will reap the results in their lives: they will reap the whirlwind of evil tidings. This is because they are shutting out the God who loves them. The Lord offers the following warning and instruction:

&quot;For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD: They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof. Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices. For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them. But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.&quot; (Proverbs 1:29-33)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('405', 'bc03e28a6c', 'Hidden meanings', 'Some of the things like the &quot;hidden meaning of the dropped caps&quot; (including the gods Pan and Triton) is what I would call outside of Bible doctrine. That is the same realm where the Bible code and Pyramid stuff resides. These tend to be areas which are subjective and can lead people astray.

If people want to know about dark sayings, there are some &quot;secrets&quot; in the Scripture which are right there, yet not many people have seen them. Even really obvious things, like that the Church should actually have a great blessing before the tribulation. The Scripture shows this, yet many people think things are getting worse and worse.

The fact is that the Scripture has been sealed, and that God in time has His general revelations for the Church. These include: Salvation by faith. Full water baptism. The Baptism of the Holy Ghost. The Pure Word. See Daniel 12:4.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('406', '08012cf840', 'Hidden meanings', 'One example of a godly thing that is hidden from many is the perfect structure of the Bible, which the King James Bible has preserved perfectly. The modern versions wreck this beautiful structure by their word changes, missing verses etc.

The structure works down from:
- the overall Bible has a structure
- each individual book has a structure
- sections of the books have structure
- verses have structure

The [url=http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc44/KJBman777/Structure.jpg]structure of the book of Revelation[/url] is a good example. The fact that there is structure shows that the Bible has been planned meticulously, even though it spans 66 books written over many years using many men.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('407', '2a4e60909e', 'KJB-PCE in Bible software', 'I\'m working on integrating a Pure Cambridge Edition in [url=http://www.swordsearcher.com]SwordSearcher Bible software[/url]. I\'ve built a PCE module for testing.  Details here:

http://forums.swordsearcher.com/showthread.php?t=668');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('408', '9a091ae1f9', 'PCE software', 'Thanks Brandon, we\'ll look at it.

As a preliminary, what needs to be emphasied, perhaps in your software notes, is that the PCE is not an invention of any one Church or individual (accusations of this nature have been made against Bibleprotector on various forums). The PCE is the final KJB Edition (the seventh purification)and was in existence from circa 1900 onwards way before our time. There is wording that could be taken from documents on this website.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('409', 'c58a131be1', '', 'The text I intend to use in the module description is this:

&quot;This edition of the KJV conforms to the text of the Cambridge University Press King James Bibles printed from circa 1900 to circa 1980.&quot;

I\'ve compared the key indicating verses to my printed Cambridge Cameo from 1965 and it matches exactly.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('410', '69818d4db3', 'Cambridge and PCE Bibles', 'Yes, the case with respect to KJB publishing by Cambridge is as follows(the dates do cross over as some older printing plates for certain sizes were in use after the introduction of changes):

Victorian Cambridge (circa 1835-circa 1900)
Pure Cambridge Edition (circa 1900-circa 1970s)
Cambridge Concord Edition (circa 1970s-present)
Cambridge Standard Text (circa 2000)

This excludes Scrivener’s Edition because it has had no influence on the normal text, and Norton’s because his edition is new and, like Scrivener’s, specialised.

Norton does not really differentiate between the PCE and the Concord, although there are important differences between them.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('411', '0d4f6b8c8a', '12 Indicator list PLUS: The Pure Cambridge Variation List', 'Brandon.
Your comparison list of the King James Bibles shows that it affects some 186 verses.
Are you also aware of the variation in some of the Pure Cambridge Editions?
#1] Genesis 41:56 should read- And Joseph
#2] 1 Chronicles 14:10 should read- and wilt
#3] Song of Solomon 6:12 should read- Amminadib
#4] Matthew 27:46 should read- Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani
#5] Mark 5:41 should read- Talitha cumi
#6] Mark 7:34 should read- Ephphatha
#7] Mark 15:34 should read- Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani

I have a few Collins editions that differ on #3 to #7.
I have another edition that is only a variant on the first one.
One of my Cambridge editions has only #3 as the variant.
But when you put these together, and compare, you will see that this list is that final purification.

Matthew has even found the odd independent variation in one of the Pure Cambridge editions that he has come across.
*******
Some pure Bibles use the hyphens for certain names.Even accents.
Am-min\'-nadib is correct.
Ammi-nadib is a variation.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('412', '3719eb17a4', 'Subjectivity and Structure', 'Talking about subjectivity and structure made me remember about a couple of things.
On Nick\'s site, a certain gentleman found out that the middle of the Bible just happened to be the 1,611th verse of Psalms.
But the one that really came to mind is the verses about the knops and bowls equaling 66.
I could not quite figure that one out even after a few goes at it.
Sometimes I need to be spoon fed and then I still need it repeated and drummed in for it to even get a chance of hope and understanding.
Maybe, because I saw it only as a novelty at the time?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('413', '10a4d9105e', 'Hidden meanings', '[quote:10a4d9105e]But the one that really came to mind is the verses about the knops and bowls equaling 66. 
I could not quite figure that one out even after a few goes at it. [/quote:10a4d9105e]
There are some things that we need to be wary about, namely not trying to read in things that may not be there.

The structure of the Bible down to the verses I am sure is there. Once again though, it is important for people to not try to impose their own doctrines or other subjective or private interpretations. &quot;Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh [i:10a4d9105e]but [/i:10a4d9105e]in vain.&quot; (Psalm 127:1).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('414', 'f54aba4746', 'Plain text format', 'There are hundreds of hyphens in the Bible, but very few are presented in the text searchable software forms, because people would have to know to type &quot;Beer-sheba&quot; not &quot;Beersheba&quot;, etc. However, I am thinking that a hyphen should be used in &quot;us-ward&quot;, &quot;you-ward&quot;, &quot;God-ward&quot; and &quot;joint-heirs&quot;, even though it might not appear in all those names.

And just as someone would naturally type &quot;Bethel&quot; rather than &quot;Beth-el&quot;, and would not know to type &quot;Beth-lehem&quot; for the OT, so would they not type &quot;Judæa&quot; or &quot;Cæsarea&quot;, as no such keyboard button exists in plain text for &quot;æ&quot;, so they would just type &quot;ae&quot;.

Also, there is no distinction between small capitals and full capitals in plain text, see Zechariah 14:20 for the difference.

But, despite these technicalities which are common to plain text and HTML presentations, at least the wording and italics are accurate, and as far as a study tool or on-screen use in a fully word searchable program and so much more, this is going to be the best yet for aids and helps to a student of the Bible!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('415', 'dd05e54ecf', '1611th verse', 'The 1611th verse in the Bible:

Ex 4:9 And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour [it] upon the dry [land]: and the water which thou takest out of the river shall become blood upon the dry [land].

Honestly, nothing can be read into that specifically, though the water of the Word is blood to those who reject the Word and turn to modern versions, see the vials prophecy at Revelation 16:4.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('416', 'd6500c4721', 'The middle verses of the Bible', 'The middle two verses in the Bible (31,102) the 15,551th verse, and the one after it:

Ps 103:1 Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, [bless] his holy name.
Ps 103:2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:

Important words, not to forget His name, nor His benefits, but again, some people go all over the place reading in numbers, places and things far beyond the scope of Scripture.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('417', 'c669f7ecd2', 'Re: Plain text format', '[quote:c669f7ecd2=\"bibleprotector\"]However, I am thinking that a hyphen should be used in &quot;us-ward&quot;, &quot;you-ward&quot;, &quot;God-ward&quot; and &quot;joint-heirs&quot;, even though it might not appear in all those names.
[/quote:c669f7ecd2]

I agree.  I\'ve updated my PCE test module to retain the hyphenations. My printed 1965 Cameo Bible actually includes these hyphens (and not as pronunciation guides, either).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('418', '866ace42f1', 'Panninni', 'I remember reading an article by Panninni that showed all of the occurrences in the Bible of various words.
Showing the number seven or divisible by seven.....
Years later I had found out that he had tampered with the statistics and was trying to promote the Westcott and Hort Text through this effort.
It sounded so good too!
It was all hogwash and a lie as well.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('419', '04d82292a1', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.&quot; (3 John 2).

Outward prosperity in the Christian\'s life is dependent on inward prosperity - the soul must prosper in the things of God. The believer must have Biblical thinking, something that has been neglected by many. The love of God must be priority. The ways of God cannot be thought of indifferently.

Seeking God\'s Kingdom is a part of the function of the soul and so measures its prosperity in God. Notice what the following verse indicates should be priority for the Christian: &quot;But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.&quot; (Matthew 6:33). The adding of things in the Christian\'s life must be preceded by the important seeking of the Kingdom of God and His righteousness. The soul cannot prosper without this, and without this, then any so-called prosperity will be destructive and devilish. Those in the world do not seek God and this is to their great destruction. We must learn the lesson and know the way if we are to prosper in the correct Biblical way.

&quot;For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things.&quot; (Luke 12:30). &quot;Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy&quot; (1 Timothy 6:17).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('420', '63a610ce28', '', 'When I first became aware of the differences between modern versions and the King James Bible, I read quite a bit.  One of these kinds of &quot;hidden&quot; proofs was that supposedly, Psalm 118:8 was the very middle verse of the Bible, and the middle words of that verse are &quot;the LORD.&quot;  And, further, none of the modern translations had this because of deleting verses.

When I started designing Bible Software, I found that this was false -- there are 31,102 verses in the Bible so there is no &quot;middle verse&quot; to begin with.

I am always extremely sceptical of &quot;hidden messages&quot; in Scripture found with &quot;systems.&quot;  I wrote an article on [url=http://www.brandonstaggs.com/2007/07/22/bible-codes-are-scripture-based-word-find-puzzles-real/]Bible Codes[/url] dealing with this.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('421', '3dad61cb03', 'KJB defenders and resources', 'Steven Avery, known as Praxean or Praxaluh, gave a recommendation for King James Bible only people to come and view the Bible Protector forum, website and the quality work in the KJB area today. Thanks Steven for your kind words. He also promoted the Sword Searcher software.

He also promoted Edward Hill\'s Book, &quot;The King James Bible defended&quot;, and Dr Thomas Holland\'s Book, &quot;Crowned with Glory&quot;.

Also, he also promotes Martin Shue\'s website, which is full of all kinds of quality King James Bible materials. http://www.geocities.com/avdefense1611/');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('422', '33f3378c26', 'Steven Avery', 'I met Steven Avery through another forum, but he is posting at the link given in the above post. He is a King James Bible only person.

You can see what he said to me, under the name &quot;Praxean&quot; here (a long discussion with various people about the pure King James Bible):

[url]http://p208.ezboard.com/1900-quotPure-Cambridge-Editionquot-of-the-KJV/ffinalauthority48270frm31.showMessage?topicID=132.topic[/url]

&quot;Praxean&quot; = Steven Avery
&quot;Holy Bible&quot; = PeterAV, well known on this forum
&quot;Logos1560&quot; = anti-KJBO author, Rick Norris');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('832', 'e3e4b2f5ae', 'Burgon, KJB revision and KJB triumphalism', 'Was Burgon’s revisionary work with the Greek underlying text merely restricted to the Greek, or was he implying, indicating and revealing that the King James Bible should be altered?

First, Burgon spoke of the necessity of “the removal of many an obscurity in the AV”.

Here is the full quotation (from David Cloud\'s website):

[quote:e3e4b2f5ae]It is often urged on behalf of the Revisionists that over not a few dark places of St. Paul\'s Epistles their labours have thrown important light. Let it not be supposed that we deny this. Many a Scriptural difficulty vanishes the instant a place is accurately translated; a far greater number, when the rendering is idiomatic. It would be strange indeed if, at the end of ten years, the combined labours of upwards of twenty Scholars, whose raison d\'etre as Revisionists was to do this very thing, had not resulted in the removal of many an obscurity in the A.V. of Gospels and Epistles alike.[/quote:e3e4b2f5ae]
In the context of that quote, he 1. agrees that there were obscurities in the English, 2. that the Revisionists of the RV have done well in having thrown important light, specifically by new so-called accurate translation and also by alterations of the English idiom, 3. that there were indeed obscurities in the AV Gospels and Epistles which he expected and agreed should be clarified.

This shows that Burgon was believing that revision to the English Bible was right, proper and good. But he favoured a vastly different kind of revision than what actually occurred.

Burgon’s plan, which was never “formalised” consisted of:
I. gaining a full picture of the underlying textual evidence with special reference to the Byzantine tradition,
II. the developing of scholarship in “sound” textual criticism, including acquaintance with the LXX, etc.,
III. making corrections to the TR,
IV. translating afresh in places, while keeping the KJB as much as possible,
V. alterations of the English idiom of the KJB where obscure or imprecise,
VI. updating a few “archaicisms” in the KJB,
VII. as to how this is to be executed, could perhaps as an auxiliary “handmaid” volume, or perhaps by marginal references, or perhaps as a new edition wherein would be introduced as few alterations as possible into the Text of the Authorized Version.

(I have constructed this outline of a plan from a general knowledge of Burgon\'s printed work.)

Thus, when Burgon spoke of, “representing certain words more accurately, — here and there translating a tense with greater precision, — getting rid of a few archaisms”, he was in fact laying out what was part of his own plan. In the context of these words he does not condemn this notion at all, but says that the AV should not be endangered, for the sake of making these changes. He is seeing that these changes are right, but that they should not be used as a pretext for wholesale radical modernisation. In other words, he would rather be conservative and have no revision than to allow the needful revision he really desires, when it would be hijacked and destructive to Scripture (like the RV was).

Burgon wrote, “an authoritative Revision of the Greek Text will have to precede any future Revision of the English of the New Testament. Equally certain is it that for such an undertaking the time has not yet come.” (Burgon, The Revision Revised, page 124.)

Note, he says “will have to”. He believed in not only altering the Greek, but the AV. He then uses the words “not yet come”, meaning that there would be a time when the AV would be somehow revised. He is not against a “future Revision of the English”.

Again, Burgon wrote, “Whenever the time comes for the Church of England to revise her Authorized Version (1611), it will become necessary that she should in the first instance instruct some of the more judicious and learned of her sons carefully to revise the Greek Text of Stephens (1550). Men require to know precisely what it is they have to translate before they translate it.” (Burgon, The Last Twelve Verses of Mark, page 263.)

Note that he believed it inevitable that there would be a revision to the AV, and then says that it would be necessary for it to be done properly, etc. Not only is the Greek to be altered, but then men would “translate it”. That is clearing meaning that he believed and supported and even advocated change to the AV.

Edward Miller recorded that, “we do not advocate perfection in the Textus Receptus. We allow that here and there it requires revision. In the Text left behind by Dean Burgon, about 150 corrections have been suggested by him in St Matthew’s Gospel alone. What we maintain is the Traditional Text. And we trace it back to the earliest ages of which there is any record.” (Burgon, The Traditional Text, page 5.)

These 150 corrections mean 150 changes in the KJB in the Book Matthew! It does not mean less, or just the Greek, as though it would have no affect or manifestation in English. As for even a short catalogue of specific examples of any sort of alterations the Dean suggested, one can probably find allusions to examples in places in his writings.

He said, “my object, the establishment of the text on an intelligible and trust worthy basis.” (Burgon, The Traditional Text, page 6.) And, “Let 500 more COPIES of the Gospels, Acts, and Epistles be diligently collated. Let at least 100 of the ancient Lectionaries be very exactly collated also. Let the most important of the ancient VERSIONS be edited afresh, and let the languages which these are written be for the first time really mastered by Englishmen. Above all, let the FATHERS be called upon to give up their precious secrets. Let their writings be ransacked and indexed, and (where needful) let the MSS of their works be diligently inspected, in order that we may know what actually is the evidence which they afford, Only so will it ever be possible to obtain a Greek Text on which absolute reliance may be placed, and which may serve as the basis for a satisfactory Revision of our Authorized Version.” (Burgon, The Revision Revised, page 125.)

Note that once all this was done, “Only so will it ever be possible to obtain a Greek Text on which absolute reliance may be placed, and which may serve as the basis for a satisfactory Revision of our Authorized Version.” He very plainly, clearly supports a “satisfactory Revision of our Authorized Version”. He is wanting to change the AV, not just the Greek, but the English.

What English was he wanting to change? Certainly not wholesale changes like the RV, because he said, “It is idle — worse than idle — to dream of revising, with a view to retaining, this Revision. Another generation of students must be suffered to arise. Time must be given for Passion and Prejudice to cool effectually down ... Partisanship must be completely outlived, — before the Church can venture, with the remotest prospect of a successful issue, to organise another attempt at revising the Authorized Version of the New Testament Scriptures.” (Burgon, The Revision Revised, page 227.)

He wanted someone to have a “successful” venture, and “organise another attempt at revising the Authorized Version”. He was all for changing the AV. All for the success of a conservative revision.

“Then further,” wrote Burgon, “those who would interpret the New Testament Scriptures, are reminded that a thorough acquaintance with the Septuagintal Version of the Old Testament is one indispensable condition of success.” (Burgon, The Revision Revised, page 128.)

Again, Burgon sees that a new interpretation would be exectued, and gave his ideas on what would make it a “success”? He is not just talking about the Greek, but about creating changes to the King James Bible!

“And finally,” Burgon concluded, “the Revisionists of the future (if they desire that their labours should be crowned), will find it their wisdom to practise a severe self-denial; to confine themselves to the correction of ‘plain and clear errors;’ and in fact to ‘introduce into the Text as few alterations as possible.’” (Burgon, The Revision Revised, page 128.) And that “the Authorized Version, wherever it was possible, should have been jealously retained.” (Burgon, The Revision Revised, page 226.)

He is not just speaking of errors in the Greek but errors or changes to be made in the Authorized Version. He said that it should be retained “wherever it was possible” meaning that he thought it was not always possible to do so, indeed, giving his blessing and the most certain implication that the work of his sort would differ to the AV as it was.

I cannot supply specific examples of what Burgon though were corrections, but it might be possible to find various throughout his writings. But I am not making a case in support of Burgon’s revising the AV, rather, that Burgon being on the side of good was not wholly wrong. Namely, that he did see the value in retaining much of the AV, and that there were a few corrections that were needful in the presentation of the AV, nothing like the types of corrections which he implied he required. And in time, the purification of the AV was complete. But so much of the Dean’s projections were never fulfilled, nor should they be, and that is why we should not bother about what exactly were his requirements for revision, how much and to what extent he was for “representing certain words more accurately, — here and there translating a tense with greater precision, — getting rid of a few archaisms”. He certainly thought there were at least a few inaccuracies, a few imprecisions and a few archaicisms in the AV. What exactly, how many, we do not know, and it does not matter.

Elements or things of the proper spirit of his requirements were fulfilled, and this can be recognised from the basis of a proper view of the AV itself. This includes that the Septuagint knowledge seems to have been helpful in correcting longstanding typographical errors/variations in names in the AV. And that greater knowledge of the Byzantine tradition connected to TR defence has afterwards confirmed the AV.

I stand by my claim that Burgon had the specific aim and wish for the conservative revising of the KJB, which would certainly include, “representing certain words more accurately, — here and there translating a tense with greater precision, — getting rid of a few archaisms”.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('423', '3f882f37bb', 'Good sites', '[quote:3f882f37bb]He also promoted Edward Hill\'s Book, &quot;The King James Bible defended&quot;, and Dr Thomas Holland\'s Book, &quot;Crowned with Glory&quot;.[/quote:3f882f37bb]
Thanks Matthew, sounds good. The books mentioned are definitive KJB works.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('424', 'c60d9c2648', 'Books', '&quot;The King James Bible Defended&quot; by Edward Hills [url]http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/kjvdefen.htm[/url]

&quot;Crowned with Glory&quot; by Dr Thomas Holland members.aol.com/Logos1611/index.html chapters 1 - 10 (search the internet for his homepage). (I prefer the draft version, which you can see here: [url]http://bibleprotector.99k.org/HOLLAND.htm[/url].)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('425', '6ca1c04b2b', '', 'Do you have a link for where this recommendation is?

Just for your information:

Crowned With Glory is part of SwordSearcher Bible Software as well.  It\'s real handy to have Dr. Holland\'s defense of KJV readings tied right into the verses.

Also, there is a free add-in for Dr. Hill\'s King James Version Defended for SwordSearcher as well, which is here: http://av1611.com/kjbp/books/kjv-defended.html

On another note: It appears that this hardcover Cambridge, which is still in print, is a PCE:

http://www.amazon.com/Large-Print-Hardcover-Authorized-Version/dp/052116334X

I talked on the phone with someone last night and went through the test verses. His Bible matches the PCE, and the ISBN in it is this hardcover.  It\'s a &quot;large print&quot; edition but is really just 10.5 point size.  The nice thing about it is that it is KJV text only -- no references or footnotes.  According to the Cambridge website, they have two leather-bound editions of the same book.  Assuming they are using the same plates, it looks like we have a good source for an in-print high-quality PCE Bible.  I\'ve ordered one of them from CambridgeBibles.com and will report on what I find when it arrives.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('427', 'c9282121cc', 'SwordSearcher', 'Hi Brandon,

Your SwordSearcher software looks very comprehensive. When will Version 5.3 with the PCE will be available for purchase?

Thanks.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('428', 'ec4aca4406', 'Re: SwordSearcher', '[quote:ec4aca4406=\"1611Hope\"]Hi Brandon,
Your SwordSearcher software looks very comprehensive. When will Version 5.3 with the PCE will be available for purchase?
[/quote:ec4aca4406]

I don\'t have a date yet on the next version.  Probably 3-6 months from now.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('429', 'a6bd6af363', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '&quot;And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.&quot; (2 Timothy 3:15).

It should be evident that only the Holy Ghost could have produced the [b:a6bd6af363]holy [/b:a6bd6af363]scriptures. Since that which is holy is undefiled and pure, then it is indeed a significant mystery how those who claimed to have the doctrine of the Holy Ghost could have come away from a position of absolute purity with respect to the Holy Bible, specifically the King James Bible.

&quot;Wherefore the law [i:a6bd6af363]is [/i:a6bd6af363]holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.&quot; (Romans 7:12). &quot;But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation&quot; (1 Peter 1:15). If God has called us to holiness in conversation (word and action), then it is clear that nothing less that the &quot;holy scriptures&quot; should be acceptable for the Christian, so a forsaking of erroneous modern versions and a holding to the KJB should be the standard.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('430', '8d0c4c38ff', 'KJBO Christians are positive in outlook', 'KJBO Christians have [b:8d0c4c38ff]a positive and uplifting message[/b:8d0c4c38ff]:

Positive that God is Almighty enough to inspire His Word and put it on Earth. 
Positive that God could put His words into one pure book - the Holy Bible 
Positive that God\'s power was enough to preserve His Word throughout history. 
Positive that God is all knowing enough to know how to get His words perfectly translated from the original languages into English 
Positive that God wants His people to be strong in faith, nourished in the words of truth and good doctrine 
Positive that Satan\'s plans will be overcome, including destruction of perversions on the Earth, such as fake bibles.
Positive that God knows more than modernist scholars.

Don\'t give up in your stand for the King James Bible. &quot;For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.&quot; (Hebrews 12:3).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('431', '22d59a313b', 'Hearing God', 'As the Word of God is read in faith, the Holy Ghost will illuminate things in the Scripture, and reveal deep meanings. It\'s possible to have read a verse many times, and then read it again and suddenly get added revelation from the Lord, something you didn\'t realise before. If you ask the Lord to open His Word up to you, He will.

Here is an example:

&quot;Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, [i:22d59a313b]shall he [/i:22d59a313b]not much more [i:22d59a313b]clothe[/i:22d59a313b] you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?&quot; (Matthew 6:30, 31). 

Obviously in this Scripture the Lord Jesus Christ is telling us to trust God for provision, but it also reveals that [b:22d59a313b]thoughts speak[/b:22d59a313b]. In this example the thoughts are speaking doubt and worry. These are the very type of thoughts the Lord does not want His people to take hold of. In faith, He wants Christians to stay their minds on Him (Isaiah 26:3).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('432', '77cd0b07f6', 'A short essay on King James Bible only beliefs', 'An anti-King James Bible friend of Rick Norris gave fifteen questions concerning the King James Bible only position. These questions have been answered through the following essay:

1. The KJB translators were working from a wide variety of sources, a mass of evidence and a great corpus of witnesses to do their work.

Their work was to finalise the text and translation of the English Bible, to make “one more exact Translation of the holy Scriptures into the English tongue”.

2. The KJB translators employed their judgment as to what was the text, that is, correct, and what was variant, which they rejected either outright, or put into the margin where there was some “probability” of that rendering being correct, though, in the final analysis, not enough to make that rendering stand as the actual Scripture text.

In employing their judgment (the good hand of the Lord was with them) they were able to (by divine providence) select the correct text, and render it fitly and properly into English.

To utilise many sources, and have multiple people doing so, ensured that the so-called chance for error simply is beside the point. This is because they got it right, and commended readers to check their work to see this, and that they were and have been vindicated in this, because we find that their work was perfect, because it was the work of God (see Deuteronomy 32:3, 4).

3. As the translators themselves stated, whatever was halting, superflous, or not quite shining and polished, that which would be better would be found in their work: thus, in Matthew 23:34, the earlier Protestant English Bibles could well be in these places impure, though not overall. No version of this sort should be disqualified from being called the Word of God because of textual or translational impurities. The point is that these things were eliminated and resolved in 1611.

What we are observing with the seven main Protestant English Bibles from 1525 to 1611 is that of the successive gathering, a purification, a refining. It is the culminationary effect described in Psalm 12.

4. As for Psalm 23:6, or any other verse, the King James Bible gives the Word of God. As such, the Word of God has been translated sense for sense to English. Dean Burgon suggested that the translators were rendering in a way as if the original writers themselves were expressing their words in English. Surely, God who is above all languages is able to have His Word exact in English, and that He promised to turn the Hebrews from their language to another (Isaiah 28:11) pure language (Zephaniah 3:9). Thus, the English Bible is the exact expression of the very concepts that God was communicating originally, and is communicating the same today in His true message by the believing Church Remnant to the world.

5. Even modernising King James Bible editor David Norton states that the words missing in the 1611 Edition of the King James Bible at 2 Timothy 4:13 were due a printer’s mistake. Of course, the preserved Word of God was there in 1611 besides printers’ errors, and to account that God could not preserve His Word because of the poor press work is not worthy to stand, especially since God was able to, through His providential workings, get the King James Bible of 1611 correctly printed as we may observe today. See www.bibleprotector.com

The issue here is that the underlying text, that is, the version, was finalised in 1611, and therefore it is the version which is the preserved Word, not the impurities in the presentation of any particular edition. Likewise, the translation into English is that of the preserved Word, and this also is despite any particular edition. The edition issue is nothing to do with the VERSION and TRANSLATION issue, because every proper edition carries and preserves the same VERSION and TRANSLATION, that is, whether 1611 or 1769.

6. And since editions may differ due to purification, such as the correction of typesetting errors, the standardisation of the language or the regularisation of certain issues, there is never a real alteration of the VERSION or TRANSLATION in the legitimate lineage of editions.

Yes, there was editing, and looking over again, which is the proper kind of revising, but only to fix up press errors or grammatical forms or render consistently the italic typeface or such things only.

Let us not be hasty in claiming that there are no changes in words. Of course hundreds of words were changed: my own number is higher than that presented by Rick Norris. But as we examine closely the types of changes in words, we find that the changes are things like changing the spelling of “bee” to “be”, or the grammatical form of “stript” to “stripped”, and so on, and various things which were printing errors, which would account for so-called adding or deleting words. But this number is far less than 24,000. This high number comes from modern revisionary corruptors. 2,400 is a much closer number.

Clearly, God who has preserved His Word to 1611, was caring enough to preserve the King James Bible, and purify it too. This purifying is evident in the editorial work which took place in the editions like that of 1638: wise, conservative and proper.

7. Since we may point to a perfect English Bible, and an exactly prefect representation of it, it is clear that no other historical Bible or extant manuscript is exactly perfect in regards to typography, text and so on. (On Earth, that is.)

Therefore, there was never a word or even a jot and tittle perfect New Testament in Greek, but only perfection in those individual Autographs when first written. We find that perfection is now manifest in one whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation in English for the world in the latter days.

We now have not only a VERSION and TRANSLATION perfect Bible, but one with the correct edition, not to be altered.

8. Our correct edition today, which comes from Cambridge and has been printed for the major part of the twentieth century, is correct in capital letters.

However, in 1611 the printers, as well as must be only supposed, the translators, were not going to use capital letters so consistently. Also, some cases are clearly typographical errors in 1611 and/or earlier editions, and were corrected relatively soon.

But we may with all assurance, state that the Pure Cambridge Edition is correct in jots and tittles, and that the use of the term “spirit of God” in Exodus 31:3 is referring to something from the Holy Ghost, which is His operation in imparting knowledge, and is a doctrine completely missed in modern versions in their false zeal to “correct” every time the word “spirit” (lower case) is used, thinking that it must mean the proper noun of the Deity, the third part of the Trinity.

One illustration can be given: Joel 2:28 and 29 says that God would “pour out my spirit”, but Peter says, in Acts 2:17, 18, that God would “pour out of my Spirit”. The message is clearly refined here (I am not discussing why there are differences between the NT and the OT here). But the word “of” clearly makes a difference. In fact, careful study on the use of the word “spirit” lowercase would show that the King James Bible, as was printed by Cambridge for the majority of the twentieth century, is completely correct.

Furthermore, the same meaning was there in 1611. The clarification, which is how we can certainly know the right meaning that was intended, is clear to us because of a correct, standardised and regularised presentation. Clearly, the purification was to bring about the manfiestation of exactness in the presentation, that is, to get the edition to be printed in such a way as would completely align with the level of perfection that God was requiring for His Word in English (which Word was already finally presented in 1611, just requiring certain refinements in the presentational side of things in the printing).

9. The word “Spirit” in 1 Kings 22:24 is exactly correct: Zedekiah is talking about the Holy Ghost. He is not referring to an evil spirit. However, in reality, Zedekiah had been prophesying from an evil spirit, and was actually deceived that this was the Holy Spirit. (I could tell you of hundreds of churches where this is happening today.)

10. When it comes to some point where there appears to be a majority of evidence contradicting the King James Bible for a reading or translation, it is not as if there is no evidence for the King James Bible rendering. This is besides the fact that the King James Bible is with a majority of witnesses a majority of the times, in opposition to the versions based upon renderings from two old Codices.

There are several reasons why any particular rendering of the King James Bible which may be accussed of being a “minority” is not actually so. The most major reason is because of the weight of evidence. Also, it is because the Latin tradition does indeed provide valuable witness to authentic readings.

The point is this: nothing was lost from the Autographs, despite any corruptions that have taken place in any manuscript, and despite the scattering: the truth was gathered from a holistic view of very many witnesses, including the Rabbi’s writings and the works coming out of Rome. In various occasions the Rabbis or the Catholics might be found to attest to the truth.

And there should always be witness in the Hebrew for the OT, or in the Greek for the NT, for any reading like 1 John 5:7, or any other question, like Hebrews 10:23.

If a translational issue, certainly the meaning of any particular word can be expressed in English. Just as one word can have different meanings, so is it possible to translate one word multiple ways at different times. This is because the translators were not locked into the identity of phrasing, but free to use words within the bounds of the Spirit, which was (and is) always right.

11. Sometimes, detractors of the King James Bible find ingeniously to use English words to describe the meaning of their claimed original languages or other witnesses, not admitting that their own rendering is as much a translation, and as potentially subjective, as they falsely claim the King James Bible to be.

Moreover, in some points of seeming uncertainty, or where King James Bible advocates may not know all the specifics of the case, they may affirm that since the King James Bible is right in any other place, it must be so in any place of question, and that inquiry should yield such a faith to be vindicated every time.

12. The claims that the Majority Text (a modern construction of the Traditional Text Family) differs from the Textus Receptus (which is presented in multiple differing editions by different editors from different times) is not exactly anything to do with the King James Bible. (Sometimes this area is mere deception because the accuser has engaged in wordplay as to what is the definition of “Majority Text” or “Textus Receptus”, and shifts the timeframe of when the &quot;Textus Receptus&quot; actually first appeared, i.e. limiting it to a particular printing from 1633.)

The truth is that while there were a number of differing gathered Textus Receptus editions, such as multiple differing ones printed by Erasmus, and some by Stephanus, and a number by Beza, the translators of 1611 were in fact gathering out of all the various Textus Receptus editions, as well as considering other sources, to form what Edward Hills called an independent variety of the Textus Receptus. (It is accepted that there is one &quot;Received Text&quot; which is specifically represented by the King James Bible as superior to any particular isolated extant Greek manuscript or gathered or critical edition. There are numerous reasons why the King James Bible is super-successionary to all other Bibles, including the original languages, but this is not to say that the King James Bible created &quot;new&quot; concepts: it is conceptually equal to the Autographs, but superior on prophetical grounds, such as the providential outworking of it in line with Psalm 68:11 or Matthew 24:14.)

In fact, it is plain to the King James Bible only believer that the KJB is the final form of the received text, and that it is the Word of God which has been given for the Church to reach the world in the latter days.

Moreover, the finite action of inspiration can only be attributed to the Autographs, after which the Almighty God ensured that His Word would be preserved in Earth, despite evil and sin being present, and cause the Word of God to be gathered, notably in the various Textus Receptus editions of the Reformation, and in various English Bibles, and all in one final one in 1611. Thus, the Word that is today is inspired, but not that it was still being inspired after the closing of the Canon, but that its quality of having been inspired has endured, preserved by God, see 1 Peter 1:23, 25.

None of these men who have laboured with the Scripture since the Apostle John were inspired, though they were handling the inspired Word of God. Editors did make mistakes. Printers made mistakes. But because of God’s providence, wise believers were able to get it right in 1604-1611, and so we have provided for the world the English Bible, not as though it were made by inspiration in 1604-1611, but that it is the inspired Word given by God, and now manifest at this season for us.

13. To question differences in readings or translations in any place with the express purpose to doubt God’s providence, and to attempt to undermine the truth of the King James Bible becomes a vain and evil exercise. One should ask now, why is the King James Bible right at this place, and while it may be acceptable for people to investigate all kinds of differences, to do so with the proper scholarly foundation of having the King James Bible as infallible is the only way to make any study on the Word now.

This would always be vindicated by God. It is a self-authenticating position because God has given a book which is perfect, and which He is backing up, and showing all kinds of signs in support thereof.

14. The unbeliever starts with no Bible, and yet claims or thinks that he can find truth.

This is the doctrine of the French Revolution: the rights of man. In direct contradiction of John 10:35, these people make themselves gods and reject the Scripture that Christ has supplied.

The unbeliever, who may profess all kinds of Christian things, will yet ascribe to the doctrine that he is the authority, his reason and wit is his guide, and he shall be able to discern truth for himself. This irrational and unreasonable approach (which disguises itself as neutral and scientific) does not lead to the King James Bible as the truth. The same person will admit that he is no god, but subject to error, yet he will think that he can satisfy himself as to what is truth, and he smuggly rejects the King James Bible only position.

This approach keeps a person in error.

But the logic of faith is reasonable (see 2 Thess. 3:2).

Therefore, any accusation of multiple “emendations” in the King James Bible with apparently “no ancient authority” is the symptom of a wrong kind of inquiry, which has no foundation in truth, but is seeking to and fro, ever learning, but never coming to the knowledge of the truth. It will go to the east (Syriack) and to the north (Russia), but never to the truth.

If we were to hear or read every one of these objections, we would find that they would dissolve instantly under the first scrutiny, because the truth of the Scripture itself, and the Spirit who backs it up, should always show to the sincere and honest inquirer that God was right.

15. Finally, we must uphold our English Bible, as our heritage, which has been bequeathed to us by our forefathers in the faith, and continually blessed by the Holy Ghost, that whether any particular rendering in it happens to agree to the Vulgate, we must see that God was so powerful to actually preserve portions of His truth in the antichrist’s own den, and that it is far from the truth to consider that the Latin Vulgate was the only source for some of the readings of the King James Bible. (We find that 1 John 5:7, for example, was in Greek manuscripts.) We should uphold the King James Bible in every line, and live it out as our directive of truth.

In short, the King James Bible is the Word of God, and we have it, exact to the jot and tittle, as God has intended, this very day.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('433', '21065dbc67', 'Which edition of the King James Bible is the right one?', 'Now, I know people have been trying to disprove the King James Bible by asking this question for a long time. Elements of this issue have been answered by David Reagan, Nic Kizziah and others. However, as there is study into this important area, it should be clear that there is in fact a fuller answer which can be given.

It is not sufficient to just say “all editions” or “any edition”.

1. Some editions are wrong, e.g. where they have been deliberately corrupted or altered against the tradition of the King James Bible. Examples include:
a. Webster’s edition (circa 1828) which changed various words and concepts.
b. The American Revision (circa 1850) which changed all kinds of words, concepts and doctrines.
c. Scrivener’s Edition (1873) which overtly rejected the 1769 Edition, and introduced a radical revisionary principle to follow the Second Edition of 1611 as the first edition, and to selectively modernise words, and alter some words against the translators in several places, and to place doubt upon 1 John 5:7
d. Various modernised forms of the King James Bible which supposedly update the so-called archaic language, but are actually modern versions, and may follow the margins rather than the text, and make as many drastic changes as can be allowed without actually claiming to have altered the underlying texts
e. David Norton’s edit of the Cambridge Paragraph Edition, which purports to present the translators’ real intentions by following the incomplete and partial drafts of the translators, some of which is objectionably so, but is evidence that has survived from earlier years perhaps 1611. This is besides his modernisations of the language, so that words like “uttermost” become “outermost”, and so on, making big meaning changes.

2. The lineage from 1611 of correct editions means that while each and any of such editions are commendable, and editions based upon them, which were used by Christians, and were accepted as according to the tradition, nevertheless, improvement may be found in successive of such editions, so that while the First 1611 Edition may be acceptable, the second from that year purified it, and the 1613 edition obviously further so, and the concerted revision of 1629 better still, and 1638 giving a stable form, to that grand work of 1769, from which present editions are based upon, and finally the tradition through Cambridge University Press, which yielded the fruit of the Pure Cambridge Edition circa 1900, which since has been printed in vast numbers, by many witnesses, and now being taken as the definitive King James Bible edition.

3. That while some small differences may be found since 1769 in different editions, even in the editions of one publishing house, the typical Oxford versus Cambridge differences (like at Joshua 19:2, where the Cambridge rendering of “or Sheba” is correct, as opposed to the Oxford presentation of “and Sheba”, and other such examples), we find that in recent years publishing houses in America have been introducing many new, silent and unauthorised alterations into their editions, so that such editions are literally without “honour”, and that Peter’s speech betrayed him (rather than “bewrayeth”), or that one should be thoroughly furnished unto good works, rather than “throughly”, and so on. The list gets worse in this evolution of one kind (KJB) into another (called KJB but not a KJB).

Clearly, we must turn back to the old paths, and preserve and maintain that good tradition which has been providentially bequeathed to us, namely, the pure text from Cambridge, which sadly they no longer seem to publish.

To say, any old edition, or to say the 1769 Edition, or the Cambridge Edition without realising that there are differences between different Cambridge Editions dating between 1769 and the present, is not exactly the most clear answer. I believe that the exact proper presentation is the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible, see www.bibleprotector.com

It is important to understand that there has been a purification within the King James Bible. That is why the typography errors of 1611 needed to be corrected. That is why the spelling and grammar were standardised. That is why the italics and other issues were regularised. This is the purification of the presentation, and not anything that was changing the underlying version or the translation, but just ensuring that the jots and tittles were exact and correct in the presenting of the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('434', '702cfb61c8', '&quot;inquire&quot; or &quot;enquire&quot;?', 'Should it be &quot;inquire&quot; or &quot;enquire&quot; (see Matthew 10:11 for example). And so, which Cambridge Edition is the right one? 

Here is the explanation: Just read [url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/purecambridgeedition.htm[/url] and also look at [url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=103[/url]

In 1769, an edit of the KJB was made, and because it was at Oxford, it said &quot;enquire&quot;, not &quot;inquire&quot;, because the &quot;e&quot; is the Oxford spelling.

Various editions, including American ones, followed the Oxford, and so Strong’s Concordance, I suppose the Riverside one (old) or the Thomas Nelson one (new) would have &quot;enquire&quot;.

However, when Cambridge turned to the 1769 Edition in about 1835, they changed some things, such as having &quot;inquire&quot;, in line with what is the normal spelling. This is because Oxford always had some differing spellings: Cambridge Bible editor David Norton wrote, &quot;Unlike the first Cambridge KJB [i.e. the edition of 1629], the first Oxford Bible (1675) did little to the text other than employing idiosyncratic spelling which aroused some complaint: the new publisher thus failed to stake out new ground&quot;. (Norton, 2005, A Textual History, Cambridge, page 100).

Thus, the Cambridge Edition of the Victorian Era, the Pure Cambridge Edition from circa 1900 and some other editions printed &quot;inquire&quot;, and that spelling is also used in some other unrelated editions too.

However, when the recent identification of changes in new editions of the King James Bibles started to come to light, perhaps in the 1980s in the writings of King James Bible defenders, while they took the Cambridge Edition to be standard, they did not, into the 1990s and beyond, realise that the Concord Cambridge was not the standard, but the edition which came before it, which is called the Pure Cambridge Edition.

The Concord Edition is of an unknown origin. Cambridge University Press do not know, but it appears to be very recent (1970s or 1980s). It is said to have been done in conjunction with an Oxford editor, and it has definitely incorporated some Oxford renderings into it. Thus, this Concord, which is currently being supplied by Cambridge, was unknowingly used as the edition from which a comparison could be made: when Nic Kizziah looked at the modernised &quot;Cambridge Standard Text Edition&quot;, he compared it to what he thought was the normal Cambridge, a Concord Edition. And because the Concord has &quot;enquire&quot;, that is why he stated that &quot;inquire&quot; was wrong, which is spelt that way in the modernised CSTE.

In reality, the Pure Cambridge Edition is correct, and the Concord contains impurities. The Concord is wrong with &quot;enquire&quot;, because the PCE has &quot;inquire&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('435', 'c8ddaac720', 'PCE standard', '[quote:c8ddaac720]In reality, the Pure Cambridge Edition is correct, and the Concord contains impurities. The Concord is wrong with &quot;enquire&quot;, because the PCE has &quot;inquire&quot;.[/quote:c8ddaac720]
Praise the Lord, Christians have a standard by which to measure error. The PCE should now be used by Christians in their Bible study, preaching, witnessing etc.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('436', 'aab94331b8', 'Bible preaching', '&quot;And all thy children [i:aab94331b8]shall be [/i:aab94331b8]taught of the LORD; and great [i:aab94331b8]shall be [/i:aab94331b8]the peace of thy children.&quot; (Isaiah 54:13).

Christians can be &quot;taught of the LORD&quot; if only they have a hearing heart or inner man. This means that when the Bible is preached, it is taken into the heart in belief and acted on in faith. Rebellion in hearers has been a great problem in the Church. &quot;A wise [i:aab94331b8]man [/i:aab94331b8]will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels&quot; (Proverbs 1:5).

Sometimes people have devilish filters when preaching has commenced. How has this got there? It is through sin, which must be repented of. The devils take advantage of openings, so it is extremely important for Christians to maintain a pure heart before God. Then, there will be a clear understanding of the Word as it is preached. &quot;Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it [i:aab94331b8]are [/i:aab94331b8]the issues of life.&quot; (Proverbs 4:23).

Those who do not allow God to rule in their hearts will have clogged ears and will be deaf to much of what God wants to say to them. &quot;For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with [i:aab94331b8]their [/i:aab94331b8]eyes, and hear with [i:aab94331b8]their [/i:aab94331b8]ears, and understand with [i:aab94331b8]their [/i:aab94331b8]heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.&quot; (Acts 28:27).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('437', 'b2481ff1c7', 'NEWS', 'The latest Bible Protector news:

[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=22[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('499', '4f8bc0702a', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '&quot;Let all things be done decently and in order.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:40).

In Traditional Pentecostalism, there is order. This is order in the operation of the gifts of the Spirit of God, as well as order in the Christian walk. The command is for &quot;all things&quot; to be done the right way. Along the lines of order, there is purity and holiness, and without such things, the order of the Christian will deteriorate. The wholesale adoption of modernist versions and doctrine has done much to undermine order since error is backed by chaos and the spirit of error. The confusion of modern versions does nothing for the ordered life that God desires for His people. &quot;For God is not [i:4f8bc0702a]the author [/i:4f8bc0702a]of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:33).

If God is not the author of confusion, then there must be another who is backing the error of today. These are the lying spirits and the spirit of error, who are directed by Satan himself. Although observation would lead godly people to the conclusion that there is something greatly amiss with the modern version plague, there is much clouding through blindness and confusion. Ignorance has set in for many, despite the warning signs.

&quot;Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.&quot; (2 Corinthians 2:11). Paul the apostle warned the people of God and today there are many warnings for those with ears to hear: [b:4f8bc0702a]modern versions are not of God![/b:4f8bc0702a] God has providentially preserved His Word in the Earth and the call is for His people to recognise it as the King James Bible. After all, this is the Bible that has the hand of God upon it throughout history.

&quot;For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.&quot; (Acts 20:29-31). This prophecy has indeed come to pass and it must be reversed in these last days.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('438', 'fa7a858883', 'SwordSearcher is &quot;a pearl of great price&quot;', 'I have just received a copy of SwordSearcher in the mail, and installed it on my computer. The presentation is very professional.

As soon as I read the back of the cover, with a massive library of books and commentaries, I knew I had a goldmine in my hands!

I used to use another kind of online Bible, but SwordSearcher is way, way better study tool. If you do any research on Bible topics, this is a definitive, one stop program.

One of my favourite preachers, Charles Finney, is there. The Geneva notes are present. The in depth commentary of John Gill and the respectable Adam Clarke.

There\'s Foxe\'s Book of Martyrs, the Geneva Bible and the Bishops\' too! Wow. And the 1611 Edition of the KJB. This is good stuff.

To think that a few years ago it was almost impossible to get hold of the 1611 Edition. The only was was by buying a Reprint. But now one disc has all this and more, fully functional and nicely presented.

I can\'t wait to have the PCE as the main KJB text in this program.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('439', 'c32adb8ce4', 'PCE software', '[quote:c32adb8ce4]I can\'t wait to have the PCE as the main KJB text in this program.[/quote:c32adb8ce4]
I agree. This will be a step forward for Bible students.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('440', 'a73f0bce3b', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'I am convinced that if people don\'t trust or believe in ministers of God, then they can do little for people. There are many examples in the Scriptures where people in trouble came to the ministers of God who then helped them through many different godly ways. But to come to ministers of God is an important step because it is to rely on what God has established on the Earth &quot;For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ&quot; (Ephesians 4:12). Those who reject or neglect the Church are in a very dangerous position.
 
God instructs people to listen to those who have been called of God. &quot;Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper.&quot; (2 Chronicles 20:20b).
 
The Church has structure and there is a way in God to do things. Note the following where the sick are instructed to call for the elders. &quot;Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord&quot; (James 5:14).
 
God has placed those in the Church who are overseers (See Acts 20:28) and these watch for people\'s souls, so that Christians have opportunities to make the right decisions and be fed by the Word of God. &quot;Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.&quot; (Hebrews 13:17).
 
Sometimes repentance is necessary for there to be a reversal of the curse in people\'s lives. &quot;In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. (2 Timothy 2:25,26).
 
The Lord instructs His people to be outward-looking to the needs of others and not to be entangled &quot;with the affairs of this life&quot; (see 2 Timothy 2:4). To be inward-looking is to be self-centred but we are not to live for ourselves but to look on the needs of others, pray for others eg healing, evangelising etc. True preachers will instruct Christians that they are to be ambassabors for Christ as pilgrims on this sinful Earth. &quot;Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ\'s stead, be ye reconciled to God.&quot; (2 Corinthians 5:20).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('441', 'ead4d3987f', 'What are the consequences of false religion?', 'False religions will ultimately be destroyed. They do not lead to eternal life and will be exposed for what they are - counterfeit.

Thankfully, the Lord gives people opportunities to come out of error and turn to the truth, which is the Bible - God\'s Word and His will. Christianity is the only true and pure religion:

&quot;Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [i:ead4d3987f]and[/i:ead4d3987f] to keep himself unspotted from the world.&quot; (James 1:27).

&quot;The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.&quot; (2 Peter 3:9).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('443', '4125cccab4', 'Human Rights', 'Human Rights is an anti-Christian set of principles, which is a basis of worldly thought designed to replace the conscience according to the Holy Scripture.

Once &quot;man&quot; is legally made &quot;god&quot;, he is given power to fight against God if he so please. The real way to being a son of God is not by self, nor by usurping power, but by receiving the power from Christ. Nations must conform to that standard, and Christians must reject the notion of &quot;human rights&quot; as alien and evil.

[quote:4125cccab4]Human Rights 
Human rights are essential in a democratic and inclusive society that respects the rule of law, human dignity, equality and freedom. This section outlines Victoria\'s contribution to human rights protection, in the form of the Charter of Human Rights and Responsibilities Act 2006 (the charter), which was passed by Parliament in July 2006.

Human rights are entitlements that belong to every human being regardless of age, sex or culture.

Human rights are internationally recognised principles, as articulated by the United Nations and agreed to by a vast majority of nations. International human rights provide a guideline to governments on how to treat and care for their citizens.[/quote:4125cccab4]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('444', 'bcbd5b9b4b', 'Human rights', '&quot;And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.&quot; (2 Corinthians 5:15).

If we are born again, then we no longer live unto ourselves. God must be the top priority of our lives. Instead of self-centred, we are to be God-centred!

The fact is that God\'s claim over man and the Earth overrides anything of man. &quot;And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?&quot; (Revelation 5:2). The title deed to the planet Earth could only be claimed by the one true Saviour who has redeemed man: &quot;And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.&quot; (Revelation 5:9,10).

Whatever man has of worth is only through Christ. Everything else is not worthy of our attention. &quot;Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ&quot; (Philippians 3:8).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('445', '3f4f9fb379', 'Rights with God', 'There are citizen rights in the Bible. But rights also demand responsibilities. For example, taxation.

In the kingdom of God, there are rights for believers.

&quot;But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.&quot; (Matthew 6:33).

Being correct in the sight of the law of God means that there is the right to partake of the blessings.

&quot;And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint–heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.&quot; (Romans 8:17).

Christ has rights before God, and we are partakers of the rights that He has granted us.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('446', '867f99ed52', '', 'The Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Commentary at Daniel 12:11 records a particular theory, that after the conclusion of the historicist prophecy, there should be a future tribulation, final antichrist and the literal appearing of Enoch and Elijah.

Since many prophecies in the Scripture have multiple valid interpretations, the harmonizing or multiple interpretation of the same passage as applying both historically and to the future is valid.

Matthew 17
10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

The Elijah prophecy from the end of the Old Testament has mutliple fulfilments:
1. John the baptist
2. Literally on the mount of transfiguration

Yet Jesus said that Elias shall come:
3. Literally in the future tribulation

Therefore, certain passages, such as the seals, trumpets and vials prophecies from Revelation can have two equally valid and possible meanings, though I expect that the seventh vial of the historicist is the same as the futurist.

APOSTLES &gt; HISTORICIST &gt; TRANSLATION &gt; FUTURIST &gt; CHRIST\'S 2ND COMING &gt; MILLENNIUM');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('447', '435e45ea91', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '&quot;No ministers need discernment between frivolity and joy more than Pentecostal ministers ... The joy of the Lord is our strength, and its expression attracts, revives, and leaves lasting sanctification and enrichment of character. Mere frivolity in religion, though it may bear a superficial resemblance, is a purely psychic thing, and always leads on to a deadly reaction that leaves the soul much worse than if it had never
been acted upon by such unworthy methods.&quot; (&quot;Frivolity and Joy&quot;, Redemption Tidings, Vol.12, No.2, January 15, 1936, Published by the Assemblies of God in Great Britain and Ireland).

Traditional Pentecostals know that frivolity in religion is abandonment of purity. &quot;If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man\'s religion is vain.&quot; (James 1:26). Clearly, godly religion and the words coming out of a person\'s mouth are related. The modernists in their frivolous attitudes have taken on &quot;vain words&quot; (see Ephesians 5:6) for a vain religion. This is directly related to adoption of Romanist books purporting to be &quot;bibles&quot; - such books are filled with deception and vanity, which feed the frivolity of the pancosmics. Where is the power of God to purify the hearts of men for &quot;pure religion&quot; (see James 1:27) but in the perfect King James Bible with pure words (see Hebrews 4:12)?

&quot;Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.&quot; (2 Timothy 3:5).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('448', '029ac0c8e8', 'Two events rather than one', 'Another principle of great importance is that there can be two operations of the &quot;spirit&quot;, for example, Christ has a First Coming and a Second Coming. Reading the latter part of Isaiah has references to both comings, and differences between the references to them are now clearly distinguishable.

Reference to Gog and Magog in Revelation has caused some to conclude that the events of Ezekiel 38 and 39 are the same as those which occur at the end of the Millennium. However, while there are some similarities, there are vast differences. There are indeed two different events occurring and very different times in very different circumstances. Joel 2:2 says, &quot;A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.&quot; He indicates that the first Gog and Magog event will not have an equal to it for many generations.

Since Armageddon lies between the two Gog and Magog events, and large armies are supposed to be involved in Armageddon, it seems that the gathering of the kings of the earth at the end of the tribulation is not to be compared with for vast multitudes of Gog and Magog.

In the first prophecy, Gog is one person, the leader, a continuing manifestation of the Greek beast, which is acting under the authority of the Vatican, and Magog means the Russians and Islamic peoples. With them is the Persian beast, which is under the Russian leader, which is manifest in present history where Iran acts under Russia\'s guardianship, and is also the top ally.

In the second prophecy, Gog and Magog is the name for all the outlying realms, inhabited by rebels, who have arisen at the end of the Millennium.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('449', '0e27a9270f', 'CIRCA 1900 to CIRCA 1980', 'Yes, and an even more correct statement would be &quot;CIRCA 1900 to CIRCA 1986&quot;.
So..

&quot;This edition of the KJV conforms to the text of the Cambridge University Press King James Bibles printed from circa 1900 to circa 1986.&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('450', 'ff9914dd69', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', 'The Church Doctrinal Statement of Victory Faith Centre states:

&quot;Healing of spirit, soul and body is in the redemption provided by the Lord Jesus Christ. Sickness is a part of the curse of the law (see Deut. 28:15–68) and is of devilish origins (Acts 10:38; Job 2:7; Mark 1:34; Luke 13:16). The Lord Jesus Christ has \'redeemed us from the curse of the law\' (Gal. 3:13) and by the stripes that were laid on Him we \'were healed\' (1 Pet. 2:24b; Matt. 8:17). Divine healing and health is \'the children’s bread\' (Matt. 15:26) and is appropriated by faith in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 3:16; Acts 4:30; James 5:15).&quot;

I\'ll go further into this. The following is a link to the booklet entitled: &quot;[url=http://www.bibleprotector.com/Healing.pdf]What the Bible teaches about Health and Healing.[/url]&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('451', '0a7bd12e9c', 'circa 1986', '1986? Is this the known last date CUP was printing the PCE? It seems likely.

Maybe 1984? i.e. the newspeak Cambridge Edition had come out that year on the 4th of April, when the true Word had begun to be replaced.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('452', 'a3aca1b400', 'The KJB came to America and Australia', 'Joey Faust wrote at [url]http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54053[/url]

[quote:a3aca1b400]&quot;Among the books in Pilgrim Hall are four Bibles of unusual interest. One belonged to Gov. William Bradford, the Pilgrim governor, and one to John Alden. These are among the very few objects existing today which we feel reasonably sure \'came over in the Mayflower.\' ... John Alden\'s Bible, rather surprisingly, is the \'King James\' version authorized by the Church of England. ... No. 90 in the Pilgrim Hall catalogue designates the Bible which once belonged to John Alden. Some of the leaves are missing, but the colophon at the end of Revelation shows that the New Testament was printed in London by Robert Barker, \'Printer to the Kings most excellent Majestie,\' in 1620. The Concordance was printed by Bonham Norton and John Bill in 1619. This is not a Geneva Bible, but the \'King James\' or \'Authorized\' version. ... The firm of Barker in London printed both King James and Geneva Bibles, sometimes using the same decorative material for both.&quot; 

The early Pilgrims had both versions! Although the AV was new at the time, it would quickly outshine them all and become the cornerstone of civilization in the New World.[/quote:a3aca1b400]

Here are some other facts:
1. Captain Cook, who discovered New South Wales, had and used the King James Bible on the Endeavour
2. An offical copy of the King James Bible was brough with the First Fleet at the founding of the colony in Australia in 1788
3. Fifty copies from the Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge in Foreign Parts were also brought, along with a large quantity of New Testaments

Clearly, the King James Bible is and should be at the foundation of our national culture.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('453', 'd5ca7aa450', 'Women in Ministry', '&quot;The words of king Lemuel, the prophecy that his mother taught him.&quot; (Proverbs 31:1).

Consider the words &quot;[b:d5ca7aa450]his mother taught him[/b:d5ca7aa450]&quot; and we can see just how wrong the doctrine that women should not teach in the Church really is. King Lemuel would have been taught when he could understand and retain the knowledge taught. He then remembered what he had been taught and communicated it to others. Surely then the legacy of this woman\'s teaching goes on to teach others who then learn from this prophecy!

Women of God who know that God has called them must obey this call. The Church must be ready for the teaching of the whole world, even to nations. The Great Commission is to the whole Church - men and women included - to &quot;teach all nations&quot; (see Matthew 28:19). Some denominations have refused women to minister in their home churches but have hypocritically allowed them to teach in the mission field. This foolishness must stop. If those in the mission field can teach (and indeed they have shown that they can!), then it is also applicable for all churches. Let there be understanding and an awakening for the great work ahead.

&quot;Be ye not as the horse, [i:d5ca7aa450]or [/i:d5ca7aa450]as the mule, [i:d5ca7aa450]which [/i:d5ca7aa450]have no understanding: whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near unto thee.&quot; (Psalm 32:9)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('454', '58f6082594', 'Dealings with an Oxfordman', 'A certain fellow on a certain forum claimed that the Oxford Edition of the King James was superior to the Cambridge (though he also admitted that he actually used the Pure Cambridge Edition). I said:

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Please allow me to show you that the Pure Cambridge Edition (the right Cambridge) is better than your Oxford Edition (any Oxford). By &quot;better&quot; or &quot;superior&quot; I mean clear of all perpetuated typographical errors, language impurities and lack of regularisation.

For example, this is 1 Corinthians 1:2, &quot;Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours&quot;. In the Oxford it has &quot;both their\'s and our\'s&quot;. This use of the apostrophe goes against standard English, and is not the traditional form of the King James Bible. This is an example of impurity in the Oxford, which things get in the way of the proper presentation. That is only a small difference.

The word “ye” rather than “you”. Over the years there has been some revision of the use of “ye” and “you”, mainly in the 1769 edition. “Ye” is used as the subject, while “you” is the object, in this verse, Joshua 4:5, “take ye up of you”, where the subject, “ye”, appearing in the middle of the sentence, may have been confusing to an editor. For the sake of explanation, a paraphrase will be show that “ye” is correct, “Ye take of you”. The Cambridge uses proper English, and follows the 1611, the Oxford is in error.

The apostrophe after a plural in “wits’”. Since the apostrophe was not used in the 1611 Edition, the judgment on this verse must be made based on its context. To say “wit’s” means belonging to one wit, to say “wits’” means belonging to more than one wit. Since the word before is “their”, and the verse is speaking of “men”, each of which have wits, then the use of the apostrophe must reflect that it is more than one wit, namely, the Cambridge spelling of “wits’”, thus the Oxford here contains a grammatical error here.

The meaning of “instructors”. The Oxford is incorrect here, as there are two different words employed in the Bible here with similar spelling. The word “instructer” is found in the Old Testament, and means “one who instructs”, the word “instructor” and “instructors” appear in the New Testament (in the Pure Cambridge Edition). An “instructor” is “one who instructs” and “a teacher” which is a wider ranging meaning than “instructer”. Also the New Testament uses the word to refer to people instructing in doctrine, while the Old Testament uses the word to refer to instructing in metal work. While the Oxford attempts to make the spelling of the word consistent between the Genesis 4:22 and 1 Corinthians 4:15, this “consistency” is in fact error.

Here\'s the problem: I have counted 272 differences between the Oxford and the Cambridge, and most of them have a bigger impact on either grammar or meaning than the ones I have mentioned above. I invite any KJB believer to read this short article on the subject: www.bibleprotector.com/THERE_IS_ONLY_ONE_PURE_KING_JAMES_BIBLE.pdf

Support for the Cambridge Edition comes forth very clearly from all positions on the King James Bible issue, so it is unique for me to hear of someone who apparently supports the Oxford. I know some people who are content to use the Oxford, but they have not committed themselves to an Oxford-is-superior position.

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He rejected that, so I said:

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Once again, let us establish that there is no VERSION change or TRANSLATION change from the 1611 Edition to the 1769 Edition, and likewise no change to the Pure Cambridge Edition which is from the 1769 Edition. The issue is merely to do with accuracy, goodness and purity in presentation in regards to the Cambridge v. Oxford differences. Also, the differences between them are so minor as compared to massive differences and errors and heresies which are found in the modern versions.

I do not believe that it would be wise, commendable or edifying to go into anything more than a basic assessment some of the broad ideas presented.

I said that the Cambridge &quot;Spirit&quot; of God in Matthew 4:1 is correct, because it is speaking about the Holy Ghost. I have elsewhere given long explanations as to why the word &quot;spirit&quot; should in various places be lower case, where it indicates the operations of the spirit of God in the heart of man, etc., but Matthew 4:1 is not one of them. Furthermore, compare Luke 4:1, &quot;And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness&quot;. Holy Ghost = Spirit = Holy Ghost. And it was the &quot;Spirit&quot; who was doing the leading, see also Rom. 8:14, Gal. 5:18.

I said that the Cambridge “Son of God” is correct, since Jesus was physically the Son of David, as Matt. 1:6 (some say Luke 3:31) indicates, through Mary, then Jesus was not only a son of David, but being the Son of God, is also the &quot;Son of David&quot; both as God\'s names are capitalised, and as certain titles are capitalised, &quot;Son&quot;. Note the following:

Matthew 22:
41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

Now to “further” and “farther”. Webster\'s dictionary is merely a secondary source (and Noah Webster was a Bible &quot;corrector&quot;!). The Oxford English Dictionary, as well as Cambridge Bible use, clearly show that farther is where the choice is between two absolute states, near or far. Whereas further can be anywhere on a long line from here to wherever.

While there can be some acceptability to the Oxford wordings in places, when compared to the Cambridge rendering, it is the Cambridge which, upon both spiritual and natural study that has the weight behind it. Moreover, since an overwhelming proportion of the differences are overwhelmingly correct in the Cambridge, it follows that if there were any more difficult places to resolve whether one or other Edition were correct at that place, that since the Cambridge is certainly right the majority of times, it must be right in the other times also. (Not one Cambridge Edition rendering can be proved wrong, and things come to light by study and this believing approach, which shows that every last place in the Cambridge is pure.)

It seems that the counter explanations to justify Oxford renderings are quite a leap. Even more because the Cambridge has been traditionally held to be the standard, and that the consensus is behind the Cambridge, and in accordance with the explanations that are both Biblically consistent and, upon examination, truthful and exact.

Since there are differences between the Oxford and Cambridge Edition, it cannot be said that both are correct in regards to the making of it plain and rightly ordered (see Hab. 2:2). One is better. Only one is the pure presentation.

The important Scriptural basis for this is that Isaiah 34:16 demands for every last word to be correct in the presentation: “Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.” Again, that God’s Word should actually fully exist in published (perpetuated) form, “The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.” (Psalm 68:11). Since the Oxford Edition is not getting it right in the jots and tittles, it cannot be God’s best, or the ultimate fulfilment of various prophecies as concerning the exact publishing of His pure words.

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He rejected that, so I said,

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Rick Norris said,
[quote:58f6082594]The facts from these Oxford editions shows that all the updating was not finished by 1769. This evidence clearly shows that editors or printers after 1769 introduced some changes into the text of present Oxford KJV editions. This evidence affirms that the 1769 Oxford KJV edition was not &quot;free from man-made error.&quot; Furthermore, this evidence indicates that the text of the present Oxford KJV in the Scofield Reference Bible is a post-1840 edition or likely even a post-1880 edition. Is the present Oxford standard edition no longer a &quot;true edition&quot; according to some KJV-only reasoning since it has alterations made after 1769, 1840, and even 1880?[/quote:58f6082594]

It is true that purification of the King James Bible was not complete by 1769, and that both Oxford and Cambridge have made changes since that time. The Oxford underwent changes in 1817 and some time in the late 1800s. There are a few minor differences between the Scofield and the normal Oxford of more recent years. So, we could ask, &quot;Which Oxford is the right one?&quot;

Of course, none of them are the pure edition, because that has been printed by Cambridge.

It is evident that many corrupted editions of the King James Bible are now appearing, but there is the issue: to what measure do we measure &quot;corruption&quot;? The only logical way to do so is to have one presentation which is incorrupt, and use it as the standard. It is clear that in all kinds of things the Oxford is not the purest edition. 

The historical purification led to a finite point, whereafter any deviation was impure and erroneous. It is clear that: 
1. The Cambridge Edition cannot be shown to be wrong or worse than the Oxford Edition at any place.
2. The Oxford Edition cannot be proved better or more authoritative than the Cambridge Edition.

There are various conceptual errors, and diverse examples of grammatical inconsistencies and other types of problems that would exist if the Oxford renderings were true/pure/right. The most famous example is Joshua 19:2, which shows that Beer-sheba is also called Sheba. This makes sense in verse 6, where thirteen towns are said to have been listed. If the Oxford rendering of &quot;and Sheba&quot; is correct, verse 6 would be a lie. That is why the Cambridge &quot;or Sheba&quot; is recognised to be right by probably every expert who looks at this issue.

Any new King James Bible edition which is differing in any place to the Pure Cambridge Edition is getting it wrong. It is evident that many of the American publishers are getting it really wrong now, because there is a pure standard by which they are judged.

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He also rejected my points, which I answered:

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Please note how open I have been with all the facts, and how generally people at least prefer the Cambridge; how can this translate to my being &quot;deceptive&quot;?

Anyone who believes in the virgin birth would believe that Jesus was physically the Son of David. Otherwise Jesus was not &quot;come in the flesh&quot;.

This is doublemindedness. I know some people say that both Cambridge and Oxford are concurrently correct, but that is an impossible position. First, because one word is missing in the Oxford in Exodus 23:23, so both cannot be concurrently correct. Second, because some concepts are opposite, just as &quot;and Sheba&quot; versus &quot;or Sheba&quot; in Joshua 19:2. Third, because some Oxford renderings are clearly typographical errors which came in after 1611, but are correct in the Cambridge because it is matching the 1611 at that place, such as &quot;whom ye&quot; (Cambridge) for &quot;whom he&quot; (Oxford) at Jeremiah 34:16.

The OED has been recognised by the world is superior to Websters for various reasons, and the meaning of &quot;further&quot; and &quot;farther&quot; is authoritatively recorded in the OED, which is the proper description of the English language, and the secular standard. (The Pure Cambridge KJB is the standard of the pure language, which is Biblical English.) There are various sources which shows the difference between &quot;further&quot; and &quot;farther&quot;, an issue made somewhat more famous to younger people in the movie, &quot;Finding Forester&quot;.

I can see a &quot;Pure&quot; Cambridge text, as opposed to other presentations. It is plain from Biblical explanations, internal considerations, and external phenomena. I can see a whole chain of divine providence in favour of going the way of Cambridge. Whoever is resisting seems to be doing so from a reactionary approach. Those who garrison themselves at Oxford are bound to fall in due season. This is because only one can stand, not both.

Where is the exact pure presentation of the Word of God in English, including exact word order, spelling and punctuation? There is one edition which has the great attestation of numerous representatives of this purity.

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After these words I was muted from the forum without explanation, and various accusations were levelled, not against the Cambridge Edition, but against our non-Baptist doctrines. Like Oliver Cromwell said as concerning the contentions with the Oxford men, &quot;Religion was not the thing at first contested for, but God brought it to that issue at last, and gave it unto us by way of redundancy, and at last it proved to be that which was most dear to us.&quot; It was not really about Oxford being better at all, but about our stand for truth and the linking to providences on our behalf.

Thus, it came to a major dispute that I actually believe that Jesus is physically the Son of David through the virgin birth (i.e. Mary\'s genealogy); yet for one to object against my point that God took on the seed David is quite astounding: “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” (2 John verse 7). Why, this was the very thing the antichrist spirit would not have us touch, namely, &quot;After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.&quot; (Acts 15:16-18).

I do not shirk from my declaration concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition, &quot;The words outlining this doctrine should, by God’s grace, form an expeditionary army of a new model, which would either persuade or repel present King James Bible proponents.&quot; Our war is not aimed at the Oxford men, but to reduce them to obedience and the right order; rather, our eyes look toward the bodies of people who are presently in the darkness, who require the light, and that light should be the Word of God coming to them in the form of preaching from the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('455', '04582fbc3e', 'Oxford Man', '[quote:04582fbc3e]After these words I was muted from the forum without explanation, and various accusations were levelled, not against the Cambridge Edition, but against our non-Baptist doctrines.[/quote:04582fbc3e]
The PCE stands on the basis of the historical provision of God. It was God\'s providence that the PCE was the finalised KJB by circa 1900. If people reject this through some sort of prideful position, then God will require this of them and they will be answerable to Him. On the Bible Protector forum and website there is now ample evidence given on the validity of the PCE and the validity of a Traditional Pentecostal stand with its associated ministerial view according to the Bible. Even if certain people reject the Traditional Pentecostal position, they should not in all conscience continue to use this as a basis for rejecting the PCE. The continuing ignorance on the part of some will not be sufficient excuse when they stand before God.

&quot;And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.&quot; (Luke 16:15).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('456', 'b9b2942d8e', 'Slow Of Heart To Believe', 'I have noticed that there are a few King James only folk that are 1769 only,and rather Oxford only in stance yet bleat that they are KJBonly and trust both Cambridge and Oxford on equal footing.
Then they set up web sites and ask folks to discuss the KJB issue, and even say,Disagree? 
Yet they run to the lock thread situation as fast as they can.
And get this.... 25% of the threads are locked.

And then get THIS one..
Even against KJbers that happen to also believe in one of the two that the 1769ers  say are the standard.

Deceptive, to say the least.
They don\'t believe the Cambridge is any better nor the best, at all.
They are showed the comparison that any school mom could see, yet these no-brainers, that &quot;claim&quot; not to know any Greek or Hebrew for their standard but only the AV, dismiss the crucial evidence and start to attack just as the sholarship onlyites and then claim.

We are on the same side.

What they are really saying, is this.
Don\'t show me to be in the wrong.
KJB or not.= pride
Just like I Prophecied would be the situation.
They really mean..
Your thread will be locked and your posting muted.
That is because I am not willing to change or listen to Godly reason.
Buy trying to show wrong in the pure Cambridge, he actually showed wrong against the actual AV.
Can you believe THAT one.
I think it is because one has started at a wrong starting assumption.
Assumed that any KJB is fine.
That is true to a point but never to that final stage of final authority in every jot and tittle.

It is so sad that denominationalism and party lines claim so many good folk in the war for the pure Holy Bible.
This is only the beginning.
Hopefully there will be more godly reason come forth that will curb this tide of resentment against those that would dare to find and declare the pure word of God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('457', 'c6fcbe695d', 'Slow of heart to believe', '[quote:c6fcbe695d]They are showed the comparison that any school mom could see, yet these no-brainers, that &quot;claim&quot; not to know any Greek or Hebrew for their standard but only the AV, dismiss the crucial evidence and start to attack just as the sholarship onlyites and then claim.[/quote:c6fcbe695d]
Peter, I followed the threads you and Matthew were involved in and yes, you were both clear and precise. I find it extraordinary that when error is revealed, there are decisions made that put them in positions of foolishness.
[quote:c6fcbe695d]We are on the same side.[/quote:c6fcbe695d]
In one way we [b:c6fcbe695d]are [/b:c6fcbe695d]in terms of only holding to the KJB as the one applicable translation into English but there are significant problems when people do not recognise the leading of the Holy Ghost, namely that there is one standard KJB edition, NOT many correct editions and certainly not along Oxford lines.

The [b:c6fcbe695d]faithful Word of God is available[/b:c6fcbe695d] to hold fast to: &quot;Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.&quot; (Titus 1:9).

The fact is that there must be a consistent KJBO position that even gainsayers will be convinced by. Gainsayers can see holes (as we can) in the multiple-editions-are-okay theory. Gainsayers will surely be confronted and seekers convinced with the there-has-been-a-purification-of-editions-to-get-to-thePCE stand. A consistent position will be a mighty platform for evangelism with the KJB.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('458', '487de773ea', 'Historicist view of Rome and the true Gospel', 'The book of Revelation itself is important when viewing the Word of God in history and the future. John testified of himself as one, “Who bare record of the word of God” (Revelation 1:2a). Thus, the book of Revelation contains specific witness of the Word of God in its prophecies. More expressly, the prophecy of Revelation shows that the Word of God and the Church must prevail in the end, before the return of Christ.

The prophecies in the book of Revelation show that the Word of God prevails, and that evil cannot prevail. Consequentially, the Church must prevail in history, and Satan’s operations fail. This is what is being portrayed in the prophecies in Revelation. Many of the various prophecies in Revelation are contemporary with one another, and can be used to build up an overall picture of the Word and the Church.

Revelation 1:1 shows that the prophecy was concerned with events which must come to pass (i.e. the historicist view of progressive fulfilment), and that it was signified (i.e. that things are signs, not just a literal future interpretation, but symbolical for the Church through history). &quot;The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John&quot;.

Historically, the opposite or enemy of the Church has predominantly been the Roman Empire in its various forms. This has been the major instrument of Satan, though it has operated within God’s foreknowledge and exactly according to His providence.

“AND there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars” (Revelation 12:1). This woman represents the Church, which is made up of all believers, “and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.” (Revelation 12:4b). The dragon represents Satan, who is the enemy of the Church.

The opposite to the Church is Satan’s false “Church”, the Whore of Babylon. “So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.” (Revelation 17:3–6). The colours, actions and names of this woman show that she historically coincides with Roman Catholicism and its associates. She sits on a beast which represents the Roman Empire, which the Prophet Daniel and the Apostle John both describe elsewhere.

In the history of the Church up to 538 A.D., Roman Catholicism was rising in power. The Church passed through the apostolic period (30–80 A.D.), the earlier age of the Church Fathers (80–313 A.D.), and the later Catholic Fathers after the Roman Emperor, Constantine, imposed a “Christianity” on the pagan Roman Empire, that is, Roman Catholicism. In 538 A.D. the Pope at Rome was freed from barbarians, and allowed to rule like an emperor. This was the beginning of the Papal States.

True Christians had been persecuted through these periods, for example, under Nero (37–68 A.D.), or Diocletian (245–316 A.D.), and then, all those Christians who did not agree with the patriarch of Rome were also persecuted. There were many other heresies as well. The prophecy in Revelation to the Christians living in the time of Diocletian was, “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.” (Revelation 2:9, 10).

Christ had a special warning to the Church in the period after 538 A.D., where the Church was in the hiding, “Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.” (Revelation 2:20–23). The false “Church” in this passage is represented by the woman Jezebel. Jesus warned the Church that the Whore of Babylon, that is, the Roman Catholic system, was doomed.

The true Church was made up of scattered remnants while the Papacy rose in power in Europe, “And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” (Revelation 12:6). The period of the threatened Church was the exact period of time the Papal States existed, from 538 A.D. to 1798. Of course, Roman Catholicism had already been suffering a massive blow from the Reformation. England had turned completely away from Rome. In 1798, a French army captured Rome and took the Pope prisoner. After that time, Romanism began to lose power, but not before accomplishing their massive attack on the Word of God.

The main purpose of the Church during the 1260 years of Papal rule was to preserve and transmit the Word of God intact from the Church of the Apostles to the Church of the last days.

The Biblical precedent for using days to signify years is common, being found in various other prophecies, most notably in Daniel and Revelation, each prophetic day equalling a year. Next, the starting point of the years must be found: it must be the time when the enemies of the two witnesses were in power. The greatest enemy of the Bible has been Satan, and the greatest vehicle of persecution against the Word of God has been the Roman Catholic Institution.

“And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.” (Revelation 11:3). The two witnesses are symbols which identify the Old and New Testaments, which continued in sackcloth, that is, in humility and turmoil, for 1260 years. The prevailing Protestant opinion was once, “Why should not the two witnesses be considered as the Old and New Testament, which during the apostasy of 1260 years were to be neglected and vilified as we see they are in Popish countries; but in the hands of sincere believers, properly applied, would produce the effects described?” (Joseph Mede).

In 538 A.D., the siege of Rome was broken and the Goths were defeated allowing the Papal “temporal power” to begin unhindered, that is, where the Romanish Institution not only ruled with religious power, but held lands, and servants, &amp;c. Papal Rome ruled all this time, through the fall of the Eastern Roman Empire (1453) and the Reformation (1517), though its political power was steadily decreasing towards the time of 1798. The King James Bible (1611) and its purification to the 1769 Edition brought the Word of God to its availability for world evangelisation. In 1798, exactly 1260 years after 538 A.D., the French army seized the Papal holdings in Italy, and so the Popes lost their temporal power. Since then, the Romanists relied much more on infiltration and deception in order to retain their hold on the world. They began to seed their ideology and doctrine by pretending to be tolerant, rather than relying on their land holdings or political influence. At the same time, the King James Bible was heavily pushed by Protestants. There was a time of great evangelism after 1798, as post-Wesleyan Britain began to send missionaries all over the world in earnest.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('459', '93ca321313', 'Revision in the editions of the KJB', 'Textual Criticism the technique of restoring texts as nearly as possible to their original form.

If we examine the King James Bible in this regard, we would have to admit that the “real” King James Bible is in the original edition.

And yet, the original edition is marred by typographical errors and uses fluid spelling/grammar and is in want of regularisation in regards to the use of italics and so on.

In fact, we could take one step back, and look at the partial drafts and other “autographica” that survives from the very translators themselves. The problem with this is that we do not have the final copy submitted to the press, and therefore the picture is incomplete.

If we view the situation from a Biblical perspective, we should not have to divine out of old printings now, or look to the past to find the authentic King James Bible. After, God in His providence would supply His Word TODAY, to be NOW PRESENT with us, pure and complete.

This is because the King James Bible, as has come through its purification editions, is in its authoritative form, because we have a Bible which has been cleared of typographical errors, unstandard spelling or other irregularities.

Peter Ruckman wrote, “the idea that genuine updating and genuine revision work done on different editions of the AV” should not “justify the REPLACING OF ITS GREEK TEXT with the African text of the Jesuit priests in Rome.”

Even though some folk do not like to say “revised” in regards to the King James Bible text, that word has been used historically, and with a historical proper meaning. William Kilburne wrote a pamphlet in 1659 entitled Dangerous Errors in several late Printed Bibles to the great scandal and corruption of sound and true religion. Discovered by William Kilburne. He calls the 1638 Cambridge Bible “the Authentic corrected Cambridge Bible, revised Mandato Regio”.

Benjamin Blayney of 1769 called it “editing”, and spoke of “collation”, “In the first place, according to the instructions he received, the folio edition of 1611, that of 1701, published under the direction of Bishop Lloyd, and two Cambridge editions of a late date, one in quarto, the other in octavo, have been carefully collated, whereby many errors that were found in former editions have been corrected, and the text reformed to such a standard of purity, as, it is presumed, is not to be met with in any other edition hitherto extant.”

The kind of “textual criticism” that has taken place with the King James Bible is only that which was to ensure that it would be altogether pure, free of typographical errors, with proper standardised language and regularisation. Therefore, we can accept that the King James Bible has been revised in the true sense, but only to make it pure, to match the many Scripture promises, “ The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.” (Psalm 12:6).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('461', 'e3e29d967a', '', 'There are revisions of the King James Bible which are bad and dangerous. For example, to change the underlying texts would be dangerous. But even to change things because of personal doctrines is bad. That is exactly what Noah Webster did and what the American Bible Society did. To revise on the basis of a false theory, and to reject the proper tradition is what Scrivener did and what Norton has done. 

The &quot;silent&quot; revisions which have taken place in recent years by various publishers, notably American ones, to change the spellings and wordings has been quite deceptive. 

The true and proper King James Bible is now represented by the Pure Cambridge Edition.

Edward Hills wrote, &quot;It is possible, if the Lord tarry that in the future the English language will change so much that a new English translation of the Bible will become absolutely necessary. But in that case any version which we prepare today would be equally antiquated. Hence this is a matter which we must leave to God, who alone knows what is in store for us. For the present, however, and the foreseeable future no new translation is needed to take the place of the King James Version. Today our chief concern must be to create a climate of Christian thought and learning which God can use providentially should the need for such a new English version ever arise. This would insure that only the English wording would be revised and not the underlying Hebrew and Greek text.&quot;

Of course, he was wrong to think that changes to the King James Bible were possible, but his caution and providential view meant that he was placing himself in line with God\'s thoughts, not man\'s. This is exactly where the modern revisers go wrong.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('462', '7d93071b76', 'What about the margins?', 'The margins of the King James Bible do indeed contain variants and notations, these variants fall into two categories, first, the other readings found in the originals, and second, other translations. I suppose that the word &quot;Or,&quot; denotes another reading, and the words &quot;Heb.&quot; &quot;Chald.&quot; or &quot;Gr.&quot; indicates another translation (into English).

There is no doubt that there are differences in various texts, historical differences in Reformation English translations. Therefore, in acknowledging this I cannot be a historical revisionist.

Furthermore, when we know that whatever was put into the margin was NOT the translators\' preferred reading/translation, that is, what they rejected from placing as the text of Scripture. I am not denying that what went into the margin may possibly have been chosen as Scripture, but the translators\' judgment was made, and once the text settled, it from that point forward eliminated the marginal reading as an alternative to choose from. Therefore, the term VARIANT, and the judgment became final.

I have in front of me an example from Nicolson\'s book, &quot;Power and Glory&quot; pages 212 and 213. The question was whether the Greek word &quot;typoi&quot; at 1 Corinthians 10:11 meant &quot;types&quot; or whether it meant &quot;ensamples&quot;.

At that time, to the committee involved, the choice was between two ALTERNATE renderings, to determine which was VARIANT.

The reason why marginal renderings are now all variant is because there is ONE text that stands, and has stood through the test, inquiry and use of generations of believers.

This is not to say that some had an incorrect, or undeveloped view of the margins, in that I suspect that people like Adam Clarke, Charles Finney, J. W. Burgon and others did indeed have imperfect understanding or failed to see the full providences regarding this area. Clarke wrote, &quot;the Marginal Readings constitute an integral part, properly speaking, of the authorised Version; and to add any thing would be to alter this version, and to omit any thing would be to render it imperfect ... the Marginal Readings, in our authorised translation, are essential to the integrity of the Version itself ... and they are of so much importance as to be in several instances preferable to the Textual Readings themselves ... in the proportion of at least eight to ten [i.e. eighty percent].&quot;

Yet, we find that someone like Scrivener who had a comparatively lower view of Scripture and truth, thought that the margins were inferior and agreed with the translators\' work in this regard.

Yet, just because some person like Edward Hills took into account a view that the margins might possibly make the King James Bible imperfect (that is, since the translators were not assured with absolute certainty, but were satisfied with sound judgment as to the degree of correctness), we find that God\'s providence through time itself has revealed (from the Spirit itself) that we have indeed a tried and true English Version, and that every decision concerning Scripture versus non-Scripture of the margins has been vindicated.

Let us say that the translators could choose between “types” or “ensamples” for 1 Corinthians 10:11, and let us think that the probability for “types” as a correct reading was fairly high (e.g. Augustine), but that there was, at the end of the day, MORE WEIGHT for the “ensamples” rendering, even if only a small degree more. Thus, in employing their judgment, they saw that “ensamples” was preferred, perhaps not fully realising that God in His divine providence was to afterward show to the advance of believers (to put people like Burgon in a less advanced BUT believing category) that this (whatsoever was presented, the tradition received) was indeed the correct, right and true Scripture in English, all matters effectively being resolved.

I am not advocating that people merely take my word for it, or just pick up and think that the KJB is the Word, without understanding that this is indeed the manifestation of many promises of Scripture, namely, that various verses show that God’s Word must be present, true, pure and have nothing missing or added to it. This is the logic of faith in action.

True King James Bible only people can potentially know much more now than people like Dore, Pollard and others did. This is because we are understanding that there is a final correct edition of the King James Bible. This is not historical revisionism, but the reception of tradition, the discerning of providences, the presentation of facts.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('463', '83b1f87be8', 'More on the margins', 'The translators’ notes and margins do not disprove a sound and proper King James Bible only view. And since they said, “that there should be one more exact Translation of the holy Scriptures into the English Tongue”, this “one more” and “exact” signifies that there is indeed only one valid King James Bible Version and Translation, not many.

To claim that different versions of the King James Bible are valid for each century is a completely unhistorical and inaccurate. Besides the fact that there is only one Version in the proper Editions from 1611 to the present time, there are many differing editions, which appear within any century, for example, the 1638 Edition is different to the 1611 Edition. Which so-called “Version” was the “valid one” for that century? The Oxford printings from before 1769 differ to those after, so which so-called “Version” was the valid one then?

Nay, rather, there was one valid Bible from 1611 to the present, and various editions. Obviously, there were improvements in editions, but this came to a finite end, so that we now have the best edition possible.

How can the King James Bible be “perfect”, and Ed implies that (certain) modern versions are also “perfect”? Especially since he points out that the King James Bible differs to modern versions. He rightly claims that some people get the wrong doctrines from the right words, but invariably, people who get the wrong doctrines have to wrest the King James Bible words, improperly divide them, and often go to the original languages.

Are the margins equally valid as the text?

How could the God of non-confusion be inspiring two different versions and translations? After all, God only inspired one Scripture! Surely, it is more logical and rational to believe that God inspired His Word with the giving of the Autographs, and then the power of the inspiration continued in those words to this very day. Since Moses or Paul or whoever only wrote one set of words, how can we say that there are alternates, or valid variants, or equality between different versions, or numerous suitable translations now? I think that is illogical. There can only be one Bible Version and Translation which, in the ultimate is super-successionary, that is, the gathered form of the inspired Word. I take that authority to be the King James Bible. It is now really super-successionary to all good Bibles in any language or form. And I deny that there are different King James Bible Versions, except to say that modern versions like the NKJV are different and invalid versions. But, there is only one King James Bible Version in many editions. The differences in editions are merely to do with correcting typographical errors, standardising the language and other regularisation, which was finalised in the consensus of agreeing printed editions called the Pure Cambridge Edition. We have that edition today, and it is exact, perfect and correct to the jot and tittle.

Any version and translation which does not match with the KJB (PCE) should be laid aside. The margins of the PCE are worth retaining for the present time, only because they show what the translators rejected as the main text.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('464', 'edb94d0f2c', 'More on the margins', 'Some folk claim that the margins &quot;disprove&quot; using the King James Bible only. They claim that the margin may give a more literal rendering.

The King James Bible, and the writings of the translators, and various other historical facts all point to the validity of a sound and proper King James Bible only view.

a. The King James Bible always gives the accurate meaning in the text, and whatever is in the margin is to be rejected, because the translators rejected such a wording, even if it is claimed to be more literal or said to be matching word for word. In fact, the margins show variant translations and variant readings. Moreover, if the margin was showing a more literal rendering, it could be (and is) incorrect, because sometimes the literal meaning is not the actual sense. It is wrong to claim that the King James Bible is not accurate, as it is sense for sense correct.

b. That the meaning of the Scripture is able to be given by God beyond the meaning invested in the original languages. This falsely surmises that the meaning is only in the primary original language, and cannot be transferred or fully translated. Moreover, it limits God to being able to only communicate perfectly in the one language in question. Furthermore, it raises up a doctrine of private interpretation and of hidden meanings, and questions the validity of the truth, because it would have to essentially regard the Word of God as now lost, since it cannot be any more fully attainable now that the passage of time and alterations in language have occurred. Opposite to this is the belief in an all powerful God who has been able to providentially bring His full truth, words, concepts, message and so forth into English.

c. That God did not pen the words, but used men to do so. They got it right because God was powerful enough to have the men to get it right.

d. Presence or absence of the marginal notes in any particular edition are not a test of honesty, however, the margins are supplied with the King James Bible, and are in various post-1769 printings, which shows that they are current and easily attainable.

e. That knowledge of the variant readings and translations as given in the margins is not necessarily required, if people do know that the translators were selecting from multiple sources, and do realise that they looked at various intermediaries which by copies would trace back to the Autographs. Therefore presence or absence of margins is not required to inform the reader of this fact if the reader knows this. After all, the Word of God is more important than the scholarly apparatus and judgment the translators displayed in accepting and rejecting what was and was not the actual Scripture.

f. It is a great and false notion that the margins have equality or some sort of validity with the main text. They do not. They are rejected wordings. Where the translators found there may have been a great probability for the reading they put in the margin, but by employing their judgment as to where the greater probability was, (since God inspired only one set of words in the Autographs), it ultimately came that only one rendering would stand as true. The notion that variety of translations are profitable has nothing to do with the marginalia, in that the true Scripture has now been discerned (in 1611), and that readers afterward were commended to study and read, not to a priori dogmatise, but to study and see that what the translators had selected as the main text was indeed the Word of God, and that all other things were less. Thus, no more variety of translations would need be required, nor would there anymore be a great probability for either the text or the margin, but that from that time, as has been accepted by millions, churchmen, editors and the common folk, that the text is the very Word of God, and all other words are outside that, though some words be good, and some worse. There cannot be any interpolation of the margin with the text, and the error that &quot;truth&quot; abides in many valid renderings is even further unbelief that God is actually powerful enough to have one Word already supplied for the world.

Clearly, the God who cares about truth, and about words of truth, is backing the King James Bible, and the sound and proper King James Bible only position is correct.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('465', '24394ee8f8', 'more on the margins', 'If you claim to believe the Bible yet agree with the King James Bible margins, then you would have to answer the following:

Since the margins of the King James Bible were deliberately chosen by the King James Bible translators to not stand as the Scripture text, are you able to supply any evidence that God would not resolve, by His providence (or some other means), the questions as to what the Scripture really is or should be in any/every place?

If you say &quot;no&quot;, you say that God has not really given us knowledge of His Word and/or God is not all-powerful to give His Word to us.

If you say &quot;yes&quot;, please supply the method or source for where the true Word of God may be acknowledged, viewed and certain to the very jot and tittle as manifest and present, or surely discernable to the same quality.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('466', '377755c828', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this [i:377755c828]is [/i:377755c828]the gift of God. For he shall not much remember the days of his life; because God answereth [i:377755c828]him [/i:377755c828]in the joy of his heart.&quot; (Ecclesiastes 5:19,20).

If a believer has &quot;the joy of his heart&quot; through the working of God in his life, then that is where the spiritual work starts. &quot;Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.&quot; (John 16:24). Christians should receive the full blessings of God, even to the gift of &quot;riches and wealth&quot;. Some say such a position is worldly but the gift of God is only to the believer whose heart is right with respect to those things. In other words, our love is to be centred on God and what He wants to do in this Earth, thus urging us to be stewards of what He gives and centring on His will in the Earth. Christians are to serve the Lord from the heart and this brings the blessing of the Lord.

&quot;I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea: That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.&quot; (Romans 16:1,2). Phebe is a wonderful example of a servant of the church who is a &quot;succourer of many&quot;. Her dedication enabled her to be the channel of grace that the Lord wants. When the believer has material possessions, this is an opportunity to do good for the Church and the people of the Church.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('467', '557e364529', 'Circa 1900 to 1986?', 'Sad to say, but the Cambridge Bible from Yahoo is not a Pure Cambridge edition.[84? 86?]
It is a very nice Bible, however, with large print,Hard cover with sleeve.
It reads Spirit in 1 John 5:8.
Large print Text edition with pronunciations.
Has a good write-up on the front sleeve. 

About The King James Version Of The Bible');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('468', 'ceed239f81', 'Slowly BUT Surely', 'Another King James Board adopts the Pure Cambridge edition as their default KJB.
Notice the new title, and the search the King James Bible at the top of the page.
http://thetruth11187.yuku.com/');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('469', '5803d93a72', 'Excellent', 'Peter, that\'s excellent!

We pray that God\'s truth be known everywhere.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('470', '931eaab7a7', 'KJBOnly Controversy', 'Just found a site that claims to &quot;Rightly divide the word of Truth&quot; yet they do not have the right word to rightly divide.
Here is a post from one of them, that I will respond to, very soon.
If you feel like putting your own answers here, that would be great as well.
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KJV Only Controversy

Posted by Joyce on 2/12/2008, 1:27 pm

I would like to share some thoughts on the suggestion that the KJV is inspired and therefore, one need not be concerned with the original languages of the Bible, or any other translation.

I think that everyone agrees that the Bible, in its original langages, is inspired by God. And some believe that the KJV is also inspired by God. But we know that the KJV is not exactly the same as the original tests. Just a simple matter of adding a few words that appear in italics that are not in the manuscripts of the original languages make it different.

And Dr. Bullinger has an Appendix in the CB which lists 134 places where &quot;Jehovah&quot; was replaced by &quot;Adonai&quot; by the Sopherim. That means that there are 134 verses where the Hebrew contradicts the KJV. This is very important because &quot;Jehovah&quot; is God\'s name, whereas &quot;adonai&quot; is used often of man.

If the KJV is inspired, as some believe, that means that God inspired two contrasting versions. God does not contradict Himself.

And what about the hundreds of times where the Hebrew reads &quot;Jehovah&quot; and the KJV reads, &quot;Lord&quot;. &quot;Jehovah&quot; is God\'s name, not &quot;Lord&quot;. That translation so weakens His Word in that respect.

These are just a few of the more obvious differences between the original languages and the KJV.

In closing I would like to share a really beautiful thought from Dr. Bullingers volumes on figures of speech. It reads, &quot;The Word of God may, in one respect, be compared to the earth. All things necessary to life and sustenance may be obtained by scratching the surface of the earth, but there are treasures of beauty and wealth to be obtained by digging deeper into it. So it is with the Bible. \'All things necessary to life and godliness\' lie upon its surface for the humblest saint: but, beneath that surface are \'great spoils\' which are found only by those who seek after them as for \'hid treaure\'&quot;.

In Christ,');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('471', '8e4a3443d4', 'Mis-informers', 'One of the problems with James White is that he defines things according to his own agenda, for example, his &quot;five groups&quot; of different kind of KJBOs never represent a proper view, either one is some sort of VPI or VPP (i.e. TR only), or else some sort of extremist that may as well believe the Earth is flat.

Recently, James White was &quot;exposing&quot; an extremist, and yet what he was highlighting was not a moderate King James Bible only person, but someone who for zeal was making some mistakes. Now, I know that not many people listen to James White, but it is obvious that he has an antichrist agenda against the King James Bible. (He is in fact proud to be called all kinds of bad names!)

Likewise, James Price also misrepresents things. He has an article on his website which basically claims that the kinds of variations in the original languages are the same kinds of variations which may be found in the King James Bible. He asks, &quot;The question must be asked: Which, if any, edition of the AV is the final authority?&quot;

He gives long lists of so-called grammatical irregularities from the King James Bible. And he lists differences from various editions.

From what I have been able to tell, the anti-King James Bible only people are dishonest with the evidence, and are forced to defend heresy and illogical statements. I have seen them make some absolutely foolish and anti-Biblical statements because they cannot ever admit that the King James Bible is right.

One fellow, a friend of Rick Norris said, (something like,) &quot;Praise God for all the variations and differences in the many modern English Bibles, God has put them all there for a reason!&quot;

This clearly contradicts the Scripture: &quot;let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay&quot; (James 5:12), &quot;That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.&quot; (Romans 15:6).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('472', '843f2323cb', 'James Price', 'www.jamesdprice.com/images/KJV_variations.doc

James D. Price has an article on textual differences and so on in the King James Bible. While he presents some facts (i.e. word lists), he clearly misinterprets them in his bid to disprove the King James Bible only view.

His first claim is that the differences between Bomberg and Biblia Hebraica are “microscopic”. He then produces a list of a mere eight places where there is a real difference. God has ONE Word and so the problem here is that Price must whitewash the differences, even though Jesus said, “one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:18). Clearly, only someone who does not believe that promise would think that the various version differences are okay.

Then Price launches into attacking the King James Bible, saying “Contemporary English editors would regard these as grammatical errors.” Note that his authority is not the Bible, or God, but CONTEMPORARY editors! That view is opposite to this Scripture: “for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.” (2 Cor. 4:18).

Price then takes Scrivener as an authority, and lists all kinds of so called “grammatical irregularities”. He then says, “These irregularities are inconsistent with the KJV-only advocates\' interpretation of Psalm 12:6.”

Never let such a person claim that they are “not attacking the KJB, just a particular man made doctrine about it”. Price has a complete man made doctrine, and is pointing is puny gun straight against the King James Bible.

For example, he claims that “change of garments” (among his lists) was overlooked by the historical revisers of the King James Bible. He thinks it should be “changes of garments”.

Let’s get this straight:

1. The King James Bible is God’s Word, and is God’s use of English
2. The English of the KJB is much higher than normal English, and is Biblical English
3. The linguistic prowess of the persons involved in the KJB through history was much higher than contemporary modernists’

So, if we let God be true, let His Word be the standard, and be humble, we should quickly see that the KJB is right.

So here is just one example answered. Every time the Scripture says “change of garments” it is talking about every particular person getting one other set of clothes. If it says “changes of garments” it is talking about one person getting more than one set of clothes.

This, or any other example shows that the Word of God is pure, quite the opposite of Price’s mocking claim that “These irregularities are inconsistent with the KJV-only advocates\' interpretation of Psalm 12:6.”

Price goes on to talk about “textual emendations”, by which he means where the translators took words from some other source to translate. What he should have said is, At times the King James Bible translators sought askance from other witnesses (besides the Masoretic and TR) as to confirm various readings. He even gives “a few examples of where the KJV departs from the Hebrew Textus Receptus of the Old Testament and follows the LXX against all other authorities”. Of course, many of the examples he gives are found in the Vulgate, and he is proving nothing except that the King James Bible translators were worthy scholars who checked multiple sources for weighing the validity of any reading. (He then lists the missing Apocrypha).

Price then proceeds to list variants in the King James Version, by which he means differences in editions. He states that “There is no flawless standard edition.” And to “prove” his point, he lists various American spellings found in the American Bible Society’s ill-reputed edition, like “aul” or “awl”.

Price claims to have catalogued several hundred variations in the editions of the King James Bible (and when using the unauthorised ABS edition with all its differences and changes, it is not hard to spot a few hundred differences), and then goes on to this absurd conclusion: “These variations are of exactly the same kind as some of the variations found in the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts.”

There minor spelling and typographical differences in Greek or Hebrew manuscripts. But there a few manuscripts which exhibit excessive deliberate corruption, addition, subtraction and other such alterations. How can they be “relatively insignificant”? Yet, “some of them do involve difference in meaning, and some involve theological issues and textual issues.” The truth is that the greater part of the manuscripts do substantially agree together.

But Price says, in the same paragraph, “This surely has some significance for those who insist on the absolute authority of the words in the AV. The question must be asked: Which, if any, edition of the AV is the final authority?” ANSWER: Not the American Edition.

We should regard the King James Bible as having a standard and settled presentation, which of course is going to be in line with its history, and of the proper tradition. It is, of course, the Cambridge edition, and the particular one that came about circa 1900 known as the Pure Cambridge Edition.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('473', '163bb779a8', 'The gift of prophecy', 'Questions may be asked of Traditional Pentecostals as follows:
Does the Spirit of God give spiritual gifts?
Are the spiritual gifts for today\'s Church?
Are they identified in the Bible?
Can a person speak by the Spirit of God?

The answer to all these questions is &quot;[b:163bb779a8]Yes[/b:163bb779a8]&quot;.

&quot;Now concerning spiritual [i:163bb779a8]gifts[/i:163bb779a8], brethren, I would not have you ignorant.&quot; (1 Corinthians 12:1). The fact is that there is huge ignorance concerning spiritual gifts today, both amongst the non-Pentecostals and amongst the Pancosmics (ie. false Pentecostals). Because of this ignorance, the functioning of the Church has not been optimum and the use of the King James Bible has been undermined (for more information on this see the thread &quot;KJB Only and Pentecostalism&quot;). Thus, we can see that ignorance of spiritual gifts is a barrier because ignorance keeps people from going forward in key areas of power for the Church.

&quot;Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.&quot; (1 Corinthians 12:4). This tells us that there are different types of gifts that the Spirit gives.

We can see that the Spirit of God gives spiritual gifts to His people in the following: &quot;But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given ...&quot; (1 Corinthians 12:7,8a). Then, there are a list of gifts, one of which is the gift of prophecy (see 1 Corinthians 12:10 and 1 Corinthians 13:2).

Let\'s look at the gift of prophecy because the Bible has statements that are pointed to the people of God in terms of their specific desire for this gift. &quot;Follow after charity, and desire spiritual [i:163bb779a8]gifts[/i:163bb779a8], but rather that ye may prophesy.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:1). There should be a desire amongst the people of God to prophesy and the gift of prophecy is emphasised here. Even more pointed is the following: &quot;Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:39). The word &quot;covet&quot; means to [b:163bb779a8]strongly desire[/b:163bb779a8], yet when we look around today, there seems a strange absence of this strong desire for prophecy, much less spiritual gifts themselves.

Prophesying using the gift of prophecy may be defined as utterance from the Spirit of God in the language of the hearers. It may or may not have predictive elements and is often a component of anointed preaching. &quot;Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [i:163bb779a8]that [/i:163bb779a8]no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.&quot; (1 Corinthians 12:3). This verse shows us (1) that a person can speak &quot;by the Spirit of God&quot; and (2) that such speaking can be in the language of the hearers.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('474', '543b6e87b3', 'The gift of prophecy', 'There must be the right attitude with respect to the gift of prophecy. &quot;Despise not prophesyings.&quot; (1 Thessalonians 5:20). Some act as though this gift is not available for today, yet this certainly cannot be so in the light of Scripture.

&quot;And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy&quot; (Acts 2:17,18). These verses show us that &quot;in the last days&quot; there would be prophesying. These are the days that extend to the end of the world, so prophesying will continue until the end of the world.

This voice gift is very important for the Church. &quot;For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:31). The gift of prophecy clearly has teaching and comforting benefits for the Church and the gift is available to all who would receive from the Spirit of God.

The entry point to the use of the gifts of the Spirit is through the baptism of the Holy Ghost. If you have not already done so, familiarise yourself with the [url=http://www.bibleprotector.com/The_Baptism_of_the_Holy_Ghost.pdf]Victory Faith Centre booklet[/url] on this subject.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('475', '9edaab9cde', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', 'Sin can provide an entry point for devilish oppression of the body, including sickness and diseases. The Bible emphasises that it is important to have a sound heart. The heart means the inner man - the spirit and soul.

&quot;A sound heart [i:9edaab9cde]is[/i:9edaab9cde] the life of the flesh: but envy the rottenness of the bones.&quot; (Proverbs 14:30).

There is a direct correlation between the spiritual and physical components of man. What is happening in the body reflects what is going on in the heart. A sound heart is one which believes the Word, and seeks to know God\'s will about things. A sound heart keeps the Word at the forefront and meditates on it continually. God helps us walk with a sound heart. What He requires of us is to be obedient to His commandments and to give attention to His Word.

&quot;My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings. Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart. For they [i:9edaab9cde]are[/i:9edaab9cde] life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh. Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it [i:9edaab9cde]are[/i:9edaab9cde] the issues of life.&quot; (Proverbs 4:20-23).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('476', '2a58120289', 'Controversy', 'Thank you Matthew for those posts.
It is easy to pick apart the false from the pure.
You do it in spades on a regular basis.
This shows to me that you are using only God and his thought processes designed from his word to be your rule.
This is so crucial.
I will comment on your posts a bit later, but I wanted to show you what I posted in my answer to this lady that would tear down the authority of the Holy Bible.
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Joyce, You stated..
I would like to share some thoughts on the suggestion that the KJV is inspired and therefore, one need not be concerned with the original languages of the Bible, or any other translation.
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Why would one need to be concerned with the original languages? We speak English.It already has been translated.Perfectly so.
Plus, to say the KJB is inspired is a bit misleading in a way.
It IS inspired, but only that it is the pure preservation of the pure words of God.The inspired words of God have been preserved perfectly in the AV, and only in this sense can one claim a type of inspiration.But it is more correctly declared to be the very preserved words of the living God.
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Next you stated...

I think that everyone agrees that the Bible, in its original langages, is inspired by God.
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Say what?
IS?
If you have them thar originals, please hand them over for all to see.You see? It is the copies and translations that ARE inspired of God.Not just the originals.
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you also continue...
 And some believe that the KJV is also inspired by God. But we know that the KJV is not exactly the same as the original tests. Just a simple matter of adding a few words that appear in italics that are not in the manuscripts of the original languages make it different.
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While it is true that some advocates do claim an inspiration of the AV, even a double inspiration, if you will, this is not completely accurate terminology.
This is the real problem.The true words for this case should be that of pure preservation.
Plus in regards to your fallacious claim about italics..
No translator in the world would back up your claim. Just because there are certain words that are not word for word the same meaning in every circumstance, does not mean that the italics are wrong. If we had a word for word, then it would no doubt be just the Hebrew and Just the Greek. But to what avail is that?We speak English.
The italics are only bringing out the true meaning in the text.It is the most accurate rendition of the Masoretic texts and the TRs.
What is really wrong is what the modern perversions do.
Namely this...
They fool the reader into thinking every word they have is the words of God, because they are not honest to use italics when they are doing the very same thing. In fact, there are many, many places where the modern versions will put words in, arbitrarily, even against the very text.And, that not only are the words not in the original languages, but are not in any extant MSS, whatsoever.
That is a difference.But not the honesty of the AV translators showing the import of the passage from God.
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So as you have a false starting place, you jump to incorrect conclusions, such as..

If the KJV is inspired, as some believe, that means that God inspired two contrasting versions. God does not contradict Himself.
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See?
First off, it is not inspired,[though you are right in saying &quot;some believe&quot;], but is a pure and perfect translation, preserving the word of God.
Plus it does not contrast the originals, but is an accurate translation for the posterity of the English speaking world and others.In fact, the fake issues with that of Jehovah and Adonai are only a ruse.
You are making a man your authority, instead of the pure word of God.
LORD is capitalized signifying the proper name, as is GOD in Genesis 6:5, and JAH and JEVOVAH in other places.
When you prove too much, you in fact prove nothing at all.

PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:

Do you believe this?
Not by the sound of your post attacking the very words of God.
It is the modern perversions that have all the wrong in them. They are corrupted by heretics and necromancers, unitarians, liberals, Ecumenicals, including good godly men that actually got sucked in to believing this charlatans.
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There was no controversy as such, until The necromancers and unsaved men got a hold of the book and changed it.Westcott and Hort.Among others.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('477', 'd6159a4d3d', 'Babylon', 'check this out! Written by a pastor.
What about 666? Let\'s take a shocking look.

On the Pope\'s official mitre is the title &quot;Vicarius Filii Dei&quot; which means &quot;Vicar of the Son of God.&quot; The claim that this is his official title has been stated publicly through the years. The April 18, 1915 issue of Our Sunday Visitor, states: &quot;The letters inscribed in the Pope\'s mitre are these: &quot;VICARIUS FILII DEI,&quot; which is Latin for Vicar of the Son of God.&quot;

In Revelation 13:18 it says, &quot;Count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (666).&quot;

Let\'s do it now and see what we find. Remember the Roman numerals you learned in school?

V = 5
I = l
C = 100
A = 0
R = 0
I = l
U = 5
S = O

&quot;U&quot; and &quot;V&quot; have the same value. Look in your encyclopedia under &quot;Alphabet.&quot;

F = 0
I = 1
L = 50
I = 1
I = 1

D = 500
E = 0
I = 1
----------- Total = 666!

In Greek, Hebrew, and Latin, it comes out the same.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('478', 'ee838c7120', 'Papacy = antichrist', 'Peter, that is right.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('479', '5346189fd9', 'KJB v. Geneva', 'The Geneva Version was rejected by King James, who believed it to be corrupt and deficient, and therefore entertained the suggestion that a new translation of the Bible should be made. The King James Bible is similar to the Geneva Version in many respects, which shows how much the translators really did esteem it; nevertheless, there are some differences which must be brought to general attention. 

1. The text of the Geneva, while close to the King James Bible, shows some variations in selection from Textus Receptus material.

2. The translation of the Geneva, while close to King James Bible, shows some differences in rendering of ideas.

3. That unlike the King James Bible, the helps, marginal material and other matters were biased toward a particular interpretation, because it was accomplished in the predominantly Calvinist republic of Geneva.

This is not to say that the Geneva Version was badly done, or unusable; merely, that revision was necessary, as the King James Bible translators themselves admitted. In 1911, Hoare, author of “Our English Bible”, wrote, “England might have remained up to this day distracted by the conflicting claims of rival versions of the Scripture, and we might even now be calling out, in the spirit of the Corinthian converts of St Paul, ‘I am of Tyndale,’ ‘I am of Coverdale,’ ‘I am of Geneva.’”

But the moderate Puritans saw the value of the King James Bible, and though some support persisted for the Geneva Version (e.g. by certain English Presbyterians), the decade of the 1650s saw the death of the Geneva Version, under the very rule of the Puritans. The Cambridge Printers in 1656, for example, were printing the King James Bible by the conferred privilege of Oliver Cromwell.

Those modern detractors make out as if the Puritans were altogether about to dethrone the King James Bible, and reinstate the Geneva, when in fact we find that the Puritans made deliberate decisions (in the Providence of God) to uphold the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('480', '2f876a83d7', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'In his 1922 sermon &quot;Our Calling&quot;, Smith Wigglesworth stated: &quot;If you preach faith you must live it, and a man is not supposed to preach without he preach a living faith. And he must so impress it upon the people that they will always know God has taken us on for a special plan, and that we are not ordinary men. After we are called of God and chosen for him, we are not again to have ordinary men\'s plans. we ought to have ideals of God only.&quot;

The calling of God is for preachers to bring God\'s Word to men and women that they might believe and increase in the fruits of righteousness. &quot;How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!&quot; (Romans 10:14,15).

Those who preach are sent to do so. There are some who try to preach without getting direction and anointing from God. All preachers are to have God\'s plans and will in mind. This must be paramount.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('481', '2022443b66', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'Traditional Pentecostalism has traditional roots in the use of the King James Bible. One should expect to see that the power of God to preserve such usage is evident historically, even to the present day. The remnant of truth amongst the present Pentecostals should indeed reflect KJB usage, despite the presence now of many Pancosmic practices and beliefs.

A powerful type is seen in the following: &quot;And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.&quot; (2 Kings 13:21). The &quot;bones of Elisha&quot; are still present in today\'s Pentecostal churches in KJB usage. This is confirmed in the [url=http://www.ellisonresearch.com/Pastor%20Study/Release%202%20Bibles.htm]Ellison Research study of 2000[/url] where in the US nationwide &quot;a representative sample of over 500 Protestant church pastors asked ministers which one version or translation of the Bible they personally rely on most for their work&quot;.

This study was very revealing as follows:
(1) Across all the pastors, 34% used the NIV, 24% used the KJB and the rest used other versions - this result illustrates that Protestant religion is in serious apostasy.
(2) &quot;Pastors of Pentecostal and charismatic churches tend to [b:2022443b66]rely heavily[/b:2022443b66] on the King James (45%), while significant proportions favor the NIV (21%) or the New King James Version (19%).&quot; This was the group with the highest percentage of KJB usage, so despite the Pancosmic infiltration, the traditional usage of the KJB is still strongly present.

At the very least, we can see that Traditional Pentecostalism with its emphasis on the power of the Holy Ghost has had enormous influence on keeping KJB usage. Today\'s Pentecostals (for all their faults) could not have this result if there were not a traditional basis from which they received KJB usage.

The Spirit of truth (see John 14:17) has been historically at work in preservation of the usage of the KJB. We can expect in the days to come to see a great reversal of the modern version usage trend as an awakening to Biblical truth is revealed.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('482', '2e51a291a5', 'The gift of prophecy', '&quot;And there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the camp. And Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, [i:2e51a291a5]one [/i:2e51a291a5]of his young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, forbid them. And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD\'s people were prophets, [i:2e51a291a5]and [/i:2e51a291a5]that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!&quot; (Numbers 11:27-29).

The desire of Moses was that all of God\'s people would prophesy. This was also the desire of Paul the Apostle - see 1 Corinthians 14:31. &quot;God is no respecter of persons&quot; (Acts 10:34b). This means that He has made the spiritual gift of prophecy available to all. However, not all receive it, just as not all receive the gift of salvation (even though it is free and available). This is the barrier that is to be overcome.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('485', 'ff9fbbd382', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'The authority of the Bible is very important. If a Christian cannot rely totally on what the Bible says, then there are cracks and fissures for the enemies of God to take advantage. A firm foundation relies on an authoritative Bible, which must, of necessity, be a pure Bible. &quot;Thy word [i:ff9fbbd382]is [/i:ff9fbbd382]very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.&quot; (Psalm 119:140). A pure Word of authority relates completely to loving the things of God and loving God Himself - this must not be forgotten.

&quot;We must not measure ourselves by ourselves, if we do we shall always be small. Measure yourself by [b:ff9fbbd382]the Word of God, the great measurement that God brings to you[/b:ff9fbbd382]. Don\'t be fearful. He wants to make us strong, powerful, stalwart, resolute, [b:ff9fbbd382]resting upon the authority of God[/b:ff9fbbd382]. It is on this line that I can only speak, and shall we not equip ourselves like men?&quot; (Smith Wigglesworth 1925 sermon &quot;Faith&quot;, emphasis added).

Like Smith Wigglesworth, we can only speak along the lines of an authoritative Word, that great measurement that God brings to us. Praise the Lord that the foundation has been given, laid down and preserved providentially, so that as we take the King James Bible as authoritative, we will be firm in our future state. &quot;Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock&quot; (Matthew 7:24).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('670', 'd483b5741b', 'KJB and creationism', 'This is a good article refuting Dr Sarfati\'s foolishness with Cainan and its inclusion in Luke.
 
http://www.geocities.com/brandplucked/Luke336LXX.html');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('488', '123245e596', 'Historicist view of Gog and Magog', '[url=http://www.bibleprotector.com/AN_INTRODUCTION_TO_THE_1260_DAYS_PROPHECY.pdf]&quot;Introduction to the 1260 day prophecy&quot;[/url]

The traditional testimony of historicist commentators is that 1260 days are 1260 years, from 538 to 1798.

[url=http://www.bibleprotector.com/AN_INTRODUCTION_TO_THE_2300_DAY_PROPHECY.pdf]&quot;Introduction to the 2300 day prophecy&quot;[/url]

The 2300 days must be taken as years, not turned into solar and lunar perambulations. The beginning date must be of significance to the Temple and/or to the believers. 275 B.C. is given as the beginning, because it was this year that:
1. Rome defeated Pyrrhus in Italy.
2. Jewish scholars made an imperfect Greek translation of the Old Testament.
The ending of this period must have some significance as to the New Testament Church, and we can suppose that the Dome of the Rock be dealt with.

[url=http://www.bibleprotector.com/AN_INTRODUCTION_TO_THE_SIXTH_TRUMPET_PROPHECY.pdf]&quot;Introduction to the Sixth Trumpet prophecy”[/url]

The Turks crossing the Euphrates, and eventually taking Constantinople, and the events from 1453 to the future coming of Gog and Magog, and the preaching of the Gospel by the cleansed Church.

SHORT INTRODUCTION TO THE GOG AND MAGOG PROPHECY

Ezekiel 38 and 39 indicate that Russia and Islamic nations are to come into Israel, only to be defeated by divine intervention. In this prophecy the Roman antichrist and so on are not mentioned, and the time frame is before anything to do with Armageddon. In fact, the last portion of Daniel 11 seems to be indicating the same event. Daniel 12:1 states that there is to be a time of trouble, but this does not mean the tribulation period. All it means is the worst time of trouble to that point in history, but we can see how much worse a future tribulation period would be. The future tribulation is for the whole world, the Gog tribulation is mainly against Israel, and very like in conjunction with the events of the Laodicean spueing of the apostates from the Church.

Related prophecies:
1. Portions of Isaiah, Joel and other books
2. The sixth trumpet from Revelation
3. The sixth vial from Revelation

While Islam is linked with &quot;the king of the north&quot; and the Dome of the Rock is therefore significant, we have not yet observed the complete drying up of Euphrates, that is, the Islamic power and that the Christian Gospel must come to the Jews in some great way as has not yet been accomplished. Now, Euphrates is the Turks, yet the Turks still are a small power. The complete drying up of the Euphrates is that the last rise of the Gog and Magog power, which is headed by Russia, which should be suddenly reduced after their whirlwind of conquests, and thus open up the Jews and the world for the Christian Gospel, which should come &quot;from the east&quot;. At the time of most traditional historicist writers, there was no Christian nation(s) in the East. Now there are, in the isles, as is signified in Isaiah 41.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('489', '335c232d91', 'Gog and Magog identified', 'Prophecy writers have well known and well attested to Gog and Magog as being Russia and her confederates.

From Ezekiel 38.

Gog = The leader
Magog = Russia
Meshech = Moscow/Muscovy
Tubal = Tobolsk

Persia = Iran
Ethiopia = Ethiopia
Libya = Libya

Gomer and Togarmah = former USSR, Eastern European slavs, and central Asian peoples');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('490', '781133c72c', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', 'Faith is based on knowledge of God\'s Word, so to obtain faith for healing we need to believe that it is God\'s will for us to be whole and healthy. The Bible says that God is the Healer. 

&quot;And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I [i:781133c72c]am[/i:781133c72c] the LORD that healeth thee.&quot; (Exodus 15:26).

The ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ was one of healing and deliverance when He was on Earth. Many people were healed by the Lord Jesus, thus demonstrating His compassion and good will. The will of God for us to be healed is shown in the following:

&quot;How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.&quot; (Acts 10:38). No doubt, God wants His people strong and healthy and released from sickness and disease.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('491', '28dd74ab6c', 'The divine purpose for a pure language', '1. English is called the global language

2. The English language is indebted to the Bible:
a. The King James Bible is considered good style, and a literary standard
b. William Tyndale added words to the English language
c. Writers have drawn upon the King James Bible in developing their own styles

3. God Almighty can use English to deliver his preserved Word as much as any other langauge

4. The Bible gives prophetic clues about all this...');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('492', 'da30e3dbb1', 'The gift of prophecy', 'The gift of prophecy works properly through people who operate in charity (ie. love in action). &quot;And though I have [i:da30e3dbb1]the gift of [/i:da30e3dbb1]prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.&quot; (1 Corinthians 13:2).

The Christian who uses the gift of prophecy in charity will seek for the edification of the Church, which means that the emphasis will be on building up the members of the Body of Christ. This gift is not to be used to exalt individuals but to always exalt the Lord and His ways. There will be no contradiction with the Bible, nor will there be anything that destroys the Church. &quot;Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [i:da30e3dbb1]that [/i:da30e3dbb1]no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.&quot; (1 Corinthians 12:3).

&quot;But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:3) and &quot;he that prophesieth edifieth the church&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:4b). Thus, the gift of prophecy is a blessed gift that should be sought by the people of God because it is used for the good of the Church by those who operate it in line with the Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('493', '5faed2ad95', 'God is in control', 'There is no doubt that God is in control of history and He has and will use vehicles in history to ensure that the Bible is known extensively before the end of this present world. The King James Bible has had and still has God\'s blessing upon it.

&quot;Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what [i:5faed2ad95]is [/i:5faed2ad95]in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.&quot; (Daniel 2:20-22).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('494', '2e29ff54d7', 'Providence of language', 'God, it is revealed, has created man to communicate, “And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man’s mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD? Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.” (Exodus 4:11, 12). The ability to speak and write is from God, and the language used to do so is also supplied by God.

God’s power includes languages: “And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?” (Daniel 4:35). He has created languages, “Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” (Genesis 11:7), and all things to do with the developments in language are in His power.

The making of dialects, or changes in language are no accident. Within a few generations of the conquest of Canaan, the tribe of the Ephramites had lost the pronouncing of the “sh” sound, “Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.” (Judges 14:6). Some account the changes of pronunciations, or changes in vocabulary and so on as mere random events. But they are all under the providential hand of the Lord. Especially since man began with full intelligence in the garden of Eden, then the idea of “linguistic evolution” must be altogether incorrect. Purpose must indeed be at the basis of all these things.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('495', '2324ebfbc5', 'Jeremiah 32:5 with a question mark', 'It is very important for us to have the exact presentation of the King James Bible, and I believe that this is the Pure Cambridge Edition. There are various King James Bible only teachers who at least prefer the Cambridge, and there are some who say that the Oxford has errors. I believe that the Oxford Edition does contain impurities, and that it is best if we all use the same thing, and that the pure and perfect presentation of the Bible in English is in the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible.

It is important because every word matters: “Every word of God is pure” (Proverbs 30:5a).

It is important because every letter and punctuation mark matters: “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:18).

The Pure Cambridge Edition has, at Jeremiah 32:5, “And he shall lead Zedekiah to Babylon, and there shall he be until I visit him, saith the LORD: though ye fight with the Chaldeans, ye shall not prosper?” But the Oxford Edition has “prosper.” This seems like a minor difference. But it is major. It is major because the very correctness of the Word of God is at stake.

Now, the reason why the verse should end with a question mark is because in verse three we read that Zedekiah said, “Wherefore dost thou prophesy, and say ...” and then the rest of verse three to the end of verse five is his quote of the prophecy, but he is asking “Wherefore”, that is, Why do you say this?

Since “Wherefore” is the beginning of the question, the end of the question should have a question mark, as is given at the end of verse five.

All the editions which do not have a question mark at the end of verse five are impure presentations. That includes the 1611 Edition. The Word of God is pure, but obviously it took some time before the King James Bible was being printed exactly correct in regards to all the spelling and little printer\'s mistakes.

(There are other places where the Scripture shows that quotations are given as part of questions, such as Mark 12:10, 11.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('496', 'fc4370f616', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '&quot;Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.&quot; (2 Thessalonians 2:15). We see from this that godly traditions come from the Word of God. These are the traditions that we can wholeheartedly endorse. Traditional Pentecostalism, for example, holds to a holiness tradition, so this is refected in its early writings, including standing against Romanism and its doctrines.

Much of false tradition has infected modern &quot;pentecostals&quot;, such as holding to a worldly contemporary approach in evangelism and worship. Although many of those in the &quot;entertainment&quot; churches deny that they have traditions, they are completely incorrect because they hold to traditions of men. &quot;Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.&quot; (Colossians 2:8). We can see, in fact, that false traditions are intimately linked to the world.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('497', '18ef029358', 'The gift of prophecy', 'The gift of tongues is of no use in a Church setting unless it is either used as personal prayer or, if uttered before the whole Church, used in conjunction with the gift of interpretation of tongues. The gift of prophecy by itself is sufficient in the Church setting to get the special message of the Lord to the people. &quot;Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:6).

This verse shows that prophesying is for the profiting of the people of God. It is useful in giving revelation that comes from the heart of God. Thus, it should not be disdained or rejected as valid for today\'s Church.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('498', 'd7c1d6d67e', 'Language and the Gospel', 'It was commented upon by the translators of the King James Bible, that the Grecian language must have been made common throughout much of the world (what afterwards became the Eastern Roman Empire), that would facilitate the preaching of the Gospel from Jerusalem by Greek speakers most commodiously to Illyricum, “Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.” (Romans 15:19).

In fact, the Lord Jesus commanded preaching the Gospel to all nations, “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matthew 28:20). This preaching was to be in whatever languages were required, and would reach foreign speakers. “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” (Matthew 24:14).

The various tongues spoken at Pentecost and afterwards were surely a sign that the Word of God must come to various people by whatever languages. “Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.” (Acts 2:11). Whereas the world had been divided at the tower of Babel by the confounding of languages, the uniting of the world would be by having one common message, the Gospel, which began to issue forth in various languages, from the time of the Apostles, to the great endeavours of the missionaries in modern times.

And so, “But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.” (1 Peter 1:25), even “unto the uttermost part of the earth.” (Acts 1:8b).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('655', '726278b4c8', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'When we talk about believing God, the question naturally arises about [b:726278b4c8]what [/b:726278b4c8]we believe. Modernist scholars would try to confuse the people with the modern versions of doubt. In these, are accusations that Bible verses are not complete, such as when the NIV says in a note to Mark 16:9-20 the following: &quot;[i:726278b4c8]The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20.[/i:726278b4c8]&quot; This footnote, like the scholars who concocted it, is telling a complete lie.

Believing truth is very important and if we are not assured that every verse in the Bible is truth (eg. that Mark 16:9-20 is correct and true and should be part of our Bible), then we will be in a very dangerous position. &quot;Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.&quot; (John 17:17). If we know the Bible is true (and all Traditional Pentecostalists should be able to point to the pure Bible!), then believing is the clear result and the possibilities in God are open. &quot;Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things [i:726278b4c8]are [/i:726278b4c8]possible to him that believeth.&quot; (Mark 9:23).

It is staggering to think that many of today\'s &quot;Pentecostals&quot; can so easily swallow the modern version lies about Mark 16:9-20. These verses indeed uphold the traditional doctrine of Pentecostalism. Now is the time for repentance for believing lies concerning the Bible. Now is the time for a return to the complete truth as shown and preserved in the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('500', '70c42d8f07', 'Great electronic library', 'Go to www.archive.org if you want to get online versions of books by (heaps of historically related King James Bible materials):
H. A. Redpath,
J. W. Burgon,
F. H. A. Scrivener,
W. Aldis Wright,
W. Muir,
T. Turton,
A. W. Pollard,
I. Newton,
S. Johnson,
S. Gardiner
etc.
etc.

They also have free stock pictures, stock moving images and other things too.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('501', '084b9e316a', 'Online library', 'Yes, this is a great resource.

I\'m looking forward to reading the 2 volumes on the life of Dean Burgon.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('502', '795b50894f', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'Biblical preaching gives enormous benefits to those who choose to hear. God says, &quot;do not my words do good to him that walketh uprightly?&quot; (Micah 2:7b).

For the people of God, &quot;All scripture ... [i:795b50894f]is [/i:795b50894f]profitable ...&quot; (see 2 Timothy 3:16). This is the reason why Biblical preaching is so important. The preacher must, of necessity, preach God\'s Word, not man\'s stories or ideas or theories. The Biblical preacher will exhort Christians to be sober students of the Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('503', 'c4b3cf0cc1', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', 'Thankfully, the will of the Lord has not changed. Health and wholeness is the perfect will of God for Christians. If Christ healed people when He was on Earth, He is able and willing to heal people today and to help them live healthily each day.

The Lord wants us to know this and believe it. God\'s Word is therapeutic to the whole man - spirit, soul and body.

&quot;Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.&quot; (Hebrews 13:8).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('504', '1c2aa983be', 'One book of many', 'One brilliant book,

THE TEXT OF THE ENGLISH BIBLE AS NOW PRINTED BY THE UNIVERSITIES CONSIDERED
WITH REFERENCE TO A REPORT BY A SUB-COMMITTEE 
OF DISSENTING MINISTERS. 
BY THOMAS TURTON, D.D. 
1833, CAMBRIDGE

Says:

“Let me take this opportunity to state, as my deliberate opinion, that the Text of 1611 is, in consequence of its incorrectness, quite unworthy to be considered as the Standard of the Bibles now printed; and to express my conscientious belief, that to revert to that Text, as the Standard, would be productive of serious evils.”

“For accuracy of printing, the Oxford edition of 1769, superintended by Dr Blayney, Regius Professor of Hebrew, at Oxford, is much esteemed.”

“when a translation, from Hebrew or Greek into English, is attempted, it is frequently quite impossible to convey, to the English reader, the full signification of the Original, without employing more words than the Original contains. When therefore our Translators distinguished particular words in the manner already described, they did not intend to indicate any deviation from the purport of the Original any diminution of its force. Their first object undoubtedly was to express in intelligible English what they believed to be the full signification of a sentence”.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('505', 'bafb5a0a27', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;And God [i:bafb5a0a27]is [/i:bafb5a0a27]able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all [i:bafb5a0a27]things[/i:bafb5a0a27], may abound to every good work&quot; (2 Corinthians 9:8).

Once again, God is showing us the reason for blessing the Christian with abundance, namely that his work be accomplished through His people on the Earth. God uses His people to do good works on the Earth, so He provides the enabling and prosperity. There is then funding for the mission of the Church to reach out to the world with the Gospel of Christ. This means that the people of God must come to the conclusion that God is not against prosperity but rather wants His children to partake of this blessing and out of it bless the world. &quot;For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.&quot; (Ephesians 2:10).

The questions I ask Christians are:
Do you want to fund the Gospel?
Do you want to be an example to the brethren in giving?
Do you want all that God promises for you?

Be not afraid to say, &quot;Yes! I do.&quot; to all these questions.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('506', '2b17431852', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '&quot;IF there is no foundation in the Scripture of Truth for the teaching on the affirmative side of this question, then whatever men may say, and however honest they may he, the teaching must he condemned: Is there such a foundation? Without answering this question, let us examine The Word. And there we find—
(1) Prophecy of the events which occurred at Pentecost.
(2) Promise of the Gift of the Holy Spirit.
(3) The Declaration of the fulfilment of the Prophecy and Promise, and statements of the effects of that fulfilment.&quot; (&quot;The baptism of the Holy Spirit&quot;, Redemption Tidings, Vol. 6, No. 1, Jan 1930, Published by the Assemblies of God in Great Britain and Ireland).

The foundation of the doctrines of the Church must be the Bible. If doctrines, such as salvation, the baptism of the Holy Ghost, the deity of Christ etc, are not found in the Bible, then they cannot be foundational. Traditional Pentecostalists use the King James Bible as the foundational Scripture of Truth. Thus, searching of the Scriptures for the truth is something that will be evident in such churches. There will be a forsaking of trust in man\'s words and way and a holding onto truth as given by the Holy Ghost in line with the Bible.

&quot;But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.&quot; (1 Timothy 3:15).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('507', '55950ad3a3', '', 'Bibleprotector,

When you get up and printing are you going to ad the pronunciation table as you did with the letter to the readers form the translators? If so I think the pronunciation table would be a handy thing to ad to the PCE if you have not added it already.

I have down loaded you book, I have not read it so far. I have printed it off with my PC. Big mistake I did not have enough ink to print it all. When you finish the book are you going to put it on line and sell it? I hope so it looks like a good book so far.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('508', '11ba78ab0b', 'The KJVO Baptist', 'Guys,

I have now noticed that you are for lack of a better term Pentecostal. I happen to be a Baptist. I also have noticed that the Baptist seem to be the ones doing most of the KJVO books and other KJVO forums and other KJVO issues.

Do you guys have a problem working with Baptist on this issue? If so let me know. I just wanted you to know what I am and where I stand. I am glad that there are others such as the Pentecostals and Presbyterians working on this issue, I can and will work with you on this issue. I will try to avoid some of the doctrinal issues as long as I am not pushed into it. I\'ll be more than happy to respect you and I hope you will do the same for me. We will have to work within the issue we agree with the most. I think you guys are working hard on this issue and I fully respect that. I think you are doing God\'s work on this issue and for that I am very thankful.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('509', 'a7eb2df176', 'Getting the PCE out on the street.', 'Guys,

Here is the biggest question of all time. This is how do you get the PCE out on the street in the hands of Christians that need it? I know they can go and download it. What I am talking about is getting it printed in Bible form and getting it into the hands of folks so they can read it.

This must be the ultimate goal. The 1st question is can you print it and sell it? Do you have the right to do so? I\'d think so, but you\'d have to pay Cambridge some kind of royalty fee for each one sold. You may want to contact them and find out for sure. Where can we get this Bible printed and ready to go? How much will it cost? Who will do it for us at the best price? I do know you have the one CPE for sell on your website.

http://www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm

Can you have the same guys that print it make a Bible for every day use? If so who much will it cost to print 100 of these Bibles. I think if you\'d get some of these Bibles printed and go to some Christian bookstores you could get some of them sold. You could sell them online and I think you could get the PCE out there. The only question is how and when? I\'d like to hear your ideas on these issues.

I\'ll bet you could sell them almost at any store. many bookstores carry the Bible. I also bet they would carry the PCE if you could get it going. You could go to bookstores where you live and get them to sell the Bibles for you. The Bible is easy to sell. If you could print only 500 and get 100 stores to stock only 5 each they would all be sold in time. You could take that money and expand and sell even more after you restock those stores. If you sell them for enough profit you can take all of that and buy more. If you can double your money the next time you could get a 1,ooo out there for sell. I\'d even help you move them in the USA. You have Peter in Canada and you guys could work down under to move these Bibles. All you need is someone in the UK to sell some of these Bibles. I\'ll bet if I had 100 Bibles I could call on 10 bookstores today and get all 10 bookstores to stock 10 each and be out of Bibles in one day.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('518', '01b9381b59', 'Getting the pure Word out there', 'If the KJBO publishers can start getting it out there, that is good.

One of the first things I did was get the electronic files onto the internet that people could use to print up their own Bibles, or that could be used by the publishers.

This whole area is working in stages. The first stage is to get KJBOs to use, understand and promote the PCE. As a portion of KJBOs do so, at least some KJBO publishers will take it up.

It is the long term effect of it itself to get out there to the common man on the street.

For example, Jesus promised that the Gospel should be published among all nations. Thus, we expect in time the PCE to, by providence, get out there before Christ returns.

And it is good to put the effort in to help with this.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('513', 'ccfd8c8143', 'BIBLICAL PUBLISHERS', 'Guys,

Here is all of the Bible Publishers I can find. Sorry it is from a Catholic site, however it is good information.

http://catholic-resources.org/Bible/Publishers.htm#Major

This is a good resource, if you are wanting to get the PCE published, printed, and on the market.

This still seems to be the best deal. They are also KJVO, that is always good to know.

[quote:ccfd8c8143]We seek to be a blessing to local churches and make these Bibles available at the cost of production. It is our goal to meet the Bible needs of local churches around the world.[/quote:ccfd8c8143]

However, would they be willing to make Bibles for sell on the market? I have no idea. This is something that needs to be looked into.

http://www.lcbplansing.org/Home/

If you want to see how Bibles are made click on the video. It is very interesting.

Here is their text sample sheet.

http://lcbplansing.org/Files/bible%20text%20samples.pdf

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('514', 'f918ef7dda', '', 'Guys,

I just saw thins on the web site below. They may not work with you on the CPE Bible. However I may be wrong about this issue. This is a ministry of Parker Memorial Baptist Church. This may be for books only and not the Bible. My understand is this. Calvary Publishing prints the Bibles and Local Church Bible Publisher publishes them and put them together. Both Calvary Publishing and Local Church Bible Publisher are the ministries of Parker Memorial Baptist Church.

http://lcbplansing.org/Home/

[quote:f918ef7dda]What is Calvary Publishing?
It is a non-profit ministry of Parker Memorial Baptist Church, Pastor Dr. D. L. Green.

It prints and publishes books, booklets, tracts, prayer cards, fliers, etc.

It is a Baptist ministry promoting and encouraging Baptists to write and publish books and other related material.[/quote:f918ef7dda]

http://www.calvarypublishing.org/Files/CP_Standards.pdf

[quote:f918ef7dda]5. Regarding &quot;-isms,&quot; cults and other religions. We will not accept references condoning the doctrines, beliefs, and/or practices of any &quot;-ism,&quot; cult, or religion differing from the doctrines, convictions, standards and beliefs of the Independent, Fundamental, Bible-Believing Baptist standpoint. (e.g. Mormon, Jehovah Witness, Catholic, Masonry,
Calvinistic philosophy, Hyper-Dispensationalists, Communism, Islam, or Pentecostal)[/quote:f918ef7dda]

This seems to apply to books and not the KJV Bible. I may be wrong about this issue. You may want to call them and see what the deal is with this issue. I can see no reason why they would not print the CPE Bible for you even if you are Pentecostal. I will also try to find other such publishers and see what the deal is with them.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('512', 'f97468d257', '', 'Guys,

As an example. I just called 5 bookstores. Here are the results, 4 of the 5 told me to bring the Bibles and stop by.  The 4 said they would sell them for me sight unseen. The 5th told me they may would consider doing so. They were a harder sell than the other 4, however. If I had 50 Bibles today I could have stocked 10 at each bookstore. I am sure I could have got number 5 to stock and sell the PCE Bible. I just wanted to make this post so you would know how easy it is to move PCE Bibles onto the bookstore shelves. All 5 bookstores I called were independent bookstores and not chain stores. I knew that chain bookstores would be a harder sell because of some person in the corporate office I would have to deal with. if we were doing this I\'d go after about 500 to a 1,000 indy\'s at the start. Then I\'m move in for the chain stores. It would be easier after you had many clients and the big chains would be more likely to go with you after they knew you had so many indys. 

So if we can find a way to print nice looking Bibles and sell them I have no doubt whatsoever that we could get the PCE in the hands of Christians if we are willing to do what it takes to make the calls to independent bookstores and tell them what we have to offer. I told them the list price was $60.00 and we could cut the price to get in the door. One of these bookstore was not even a Christian bookstore. They were even ready to work out some kind of deal. 

Now this would just be getting them in stock that the stores. It may take a little while to move these 50 Bibles. Being in the store does not mean they will sell over night, however it would get the product in the most likely place to be sold. How long would it have taken to sell these 50 CPE Bibles? I have no earthly idea. However if they were a fine looking, quality Bible I think they would move in time. I just do not know how long it would take. I do know they would sell, just not how fast. So until we could get the Bibles printed and out there on the market it is hard to tell how fast they would move. After we had them out for a while then we would know how fast or slow the sells numbers would be. I know we could get them out there fast. That is not the issue at hand. It took all of 15 minutes to set this up with 5 stores. So that is not bad at all. Anyone could place 50 Bibles per day easy.

We need to find out some info and see if this is something that is doable. I know we can get the bookstores to stock the product. We need to find out other information and see where it leads before anything else happens. My 1st call would be to Cambridge and see what the deal is with them. Then find a printer and binder for the Bibles and what the cost is. At that point we would know if it is doable. Then move from there.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('515', '60d59624a6', 'KJBO Pentecostals', '[quote:60d59624a6]I think you are doing God\'s work on this issue and for that I am very thankful.[/quote:60d59624a6]
We also acknowledge the valuable work that has been done by those of other denominations and work with brothers and sisters in Christ where possible.

We associate ourselves with the Traditional Pentecostal position, which has traditionally and practically used the King James Bible. You can find out more of this in the &quot;KJBO and Pentecostalism&quot; thread under Church Doctrine Studies.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('516', '407a63dddd', '', 'KJBman777,

[quote:407a63dddd]We also acknowledge the valuable work that has been done by those of other denominations and work with brothers and sisters in Christ where possible. [/quote:407a63dddd]

Good deal. I am glad to hear that.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('517', 'd82c8d5ee7', 'Publishers', 'It would be good if the overtly KJBO publishers took up the PCE. They are the ones who have to make a decision regarding it.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('519', '3004b3c01b', 'Book production', 'The PCE book is in a draft stage. The next draft is well under way. I want to get it printed when it is finished.

The important information, as far as technical stuff, is at the end, which goes through lots of words differences, and so on. This is very important for our accurate knowledge of the pure Word. While any KJB edition is acceptable, at the end of the day, we can say there is one rightly presented KJB edition that has the proper punctuation, spelling and everything, which is the best presentation.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('520', '26f6d89a35', '', 'bibleprotector,

[quote:26f6d89a35]It would be good if the overtly KJBO publishers took up the PCE. They are the ones who have to make a decision regarding it.[/quote:26f6d89a35]

If that is the case, I may make a few calls tomorrow and see if I can get about $5,000 worth printed up and placed in a few local stores. That may be good for a trial run to see if I can find a publisher and get them printed and published. If I get them made here I\'ll have to get the made in Australia part taken off if the are made in the USA. I would not want to lie about that issue. It would also be better for me to have them made in the USA as it would be less for shipping cost. I think I\'ll use the center column Word copy I have down loaded. 

I\'ll let you know how it works. If I can get it done I\'ll send you the 2nd copy. 

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('521', '1528ccd359', '', 'Bibleprotector,

When  you get it finished let me know I\'ll buy a few copies.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('522', 'f0ea4c77e7', 'Publishing', 'There are files on the Bible Protector website that could be printed as is, but also the contents of them can be utalised, e.g. changing the paper size, column width, etc., by desktop publishing. In other words, the files can be used by people to get the layout as they require it.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('523', '29294b02d1', '', 'Bibleprotector,

Thank you for your help with this issue. I also will let you know how this deal comes about tomorrow. I may end up being the BibleSeller. I have downloaded all of your PCE files. I like the Word one the best. I\'ll let you know the cost and other issues when I get the information. Thanks for your help in this matter. If I get them printed up with a good leather binding I\'ll let you know and sell they to you at cost plus shipping to your nation. You can sell them from you site if they are in the USA I will ship them from here to save you some cash.

I may also put The Translators to the Reader part in the Bible also. I\'ll see how much it cost to do so. I think it would be one more good thing to set the CPE apart also. I have fixed it with and with out the The Translators to the Reader. I\'ll email you a copy and you can tell me what you think.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('524', 'dc8f519cf6', 'publishers', 'There are two areas in publishing which are important to consider:

1. Layout
a. typography (accuracy)
b. column width, leading, justification, even bottoms across page
c. hyphenation of words and kerning

2. Physical appearance
a. paper thickness,
b. binding
c. cover material

Basically, I recommend not committing to getting a job made up until there is some sort of control over all these areas. That is besides obvious things like the size of the font, the proper page numbering and the matched contents page.

You can either get printers to do “your job”, which means you fully control the above. Or else, publishers with equipment would be doing a job they controlled, and, at the end of the day, have something they would hope to make money out of, or as the the KJBO publishing companies, find public donations to cover.

I think that God supplies believers with what we need to get the Word out there. “But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.” (Deut. 8:18).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('525', '9b80ad0564', '', 'Bibleprotector,

Well I am a Baptist, I also know Dr. Don Green very well. He will work with Baptist. He used to preach at a church I went to in North Carolina every year. I know he is a good man of God and money is not the issue with him, it never has been. God has blessed my business therefore, I\'ll pay for what I need. Right now I have up to $25,000 of cash to print any Bibles I need or want to print at this time. I do not want to go into this issue, but I also have more cash to fund future printings myself. I do not need outside financial help. However, if you want to match any amount of money up to $25,000 in the next two weeks let me know. If you\'ll do so we can print $50,000 from the start after I do a trail run of $5,000. Later if you like we can both do matching funds of up to $100,000 in May and really print some Bibles.

I have learned that the best thing to do in life is farm out something that is not your real job if you can trust the person you are farming it out to. If you have any hints about the issues you have brought up I\'d love to listen. I do not know anything about publishing. I have never worked in this industry in my life. However Dr. greens folks have. They will know how to set up and work out everything.

I was going to use Calvary Publishing to print everything.

http://www.calvarypublishing.org/Files/CP_Standards.pdf 

I am also going to try and have Local Church Bible Publishers bind the Bibles and ship them to me.

http://lcbplansing.org/Home/

I am looking at this a a business and ministry at the same time. This may be the issue with Dr. Green. He may not want to work with me if I am going to try and turn a profit off of these Bibles. However, if we are going to work and sell them it is a business. I will see how it goes. I believe in making money, but not at any cost. I have to be able to make my money back plus enough to pay me for my time or enough to hire a person full time to go out and sell Bibles. You can call it what you like but this is a business. It can be a good business that helps people and does a good work for God, however if you can not make any money it will never work. You have to make enough to keep it going and pay someone. If not you can not do the work.

This is also the info I obtained from your website. Will this not work for printing the PCE?

[quote:9b80ad0564]A ready for print file of the King James Bible in Plain Text Minion has been presented. Utilise this for printing and binding your own Bible(s). Using paper thinner than 80gsm is strongly recommended. Features include:

1. exact Pure Cambridge Edition text of the King James Bible.

2. small page size (standard A5 size 148 x 210 mm with ample margins).

3. uniform odd and even pages ready for print (single sided 900 pages, double = 450 sheets).

4. page numbering, blank pages, title pages, contents and running book headings.

5. with the correct text of The Epistle Dedicatory and The Translators to the Reader.

6. clean text with classic Minion style typeface and characters.

7. specifically designed for home printing or low budget print run, requires binding and cover.[/quote:9b80ad0564]

Are there any other hints you\'d like to offer. if so please let me know. I am all ears. If you had the tools I\'d get you to start working on them if the shipping cost would not be so costly.

I was thinking about trying to make 100 Pew Bibles and making the rest nice leather bound Bibles like the Scofield. About the same size and style. Bonded Leather, one ribbon, gilded pages, and without thumb tabs. If I could find a few maps I\'d like to put them in the back. I may look for a few online and see if I can find a few public domain maps and use them.

I emailed you the one I was thinking about getting printed. Tell me what you think and any hints would be more than welcome.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('526', 'fce164cb67', 'Publishing the Word', 'The first thing is that layout in the file has to be right.

Things like blank pages, or making the pages match up so that new things always start on the right hand side.

Then you work on the physical things, like paper, binding and all.

I expect that Dr Green\'s work could take the files, and turn them into print ready artwork. But if you do it yourself, make sure that you are getting that right first: and it can take a fair bit of time, especially if you are wanting the columns to be nice, make sure that it doesn\'t say &quot;CHAPTER&quot; in the last line of a column, and make sure that only half of one sentence goes over onto a new page at the end of any book, so you have a widow/orphan. These are all things that publishers should be very familiar with.

What I am really getting at is if you have the money, the equipment and everything to make nice books, it is worth the effort of making the layout proper and good. (And from my experience, just printing is expensive, let alone binding, and all the other finishing work that makes a Bible look really good.)

As for printing, I have printed in Australia and can mail around the world. I can have the Minion files printed up and bound with stitch binding and either hard or durable soft leather-like covers. I am also thinking of creating a facsimile of an old Bible.

The former (printing the files), and especially the latter (scanning in an old Bible) takes time and money. People can contribute to the Bible Protector knowing that among other things, they are aiding in the work of getting the Word to the whole world via internet files, and also in these upcoming print jobs.

I hope that Dr Green\'s organisation does print the Pure Cambridge Edition.

No matter what people\'s motives are, the Word of God must go out there. Cambridge University Press was out to make a profit when it printed King James Bibles, but I am certainly all for keeping the price as low as possible, even government subsidisation (in this exceptional area). Personally, I am not in Bible publishing to make a profit, but I believe it is good if Christians do prosper and use their wealth to further the Gospel.

I would not mind being called a &quot;Bible Baron&quot; but as long as that is for spiritual wealth, and for sowing the Word, not for doing what the Roman Catholics did to the poor in the Middle Ages.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('531', '5243a381f7', 'publishing', 'My advice for what you are thinking about is to get a KJBO Bible publisher in the USA to do the job, so that you will be paying the wholesale price. If they are sympathetic and know what they are doing and have the equiptment, it would be the best way. The more you get done at once, the cheaper it becomes per book.

I am selling end-result Bibles (at the moment just budget style, but also better quality ones coming up). Also, I would supply quantities, but this is not a low-priced thing to do. It is probably the best to have the highest quality work, which means that each Bible might be quite expensive, but durable and precious. 

Cambridge has one kind of Bible that sells for something like 250 dollars. I know that I can get Bibles made up of very good quality for maybe half that price.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('532', 'f763099500', 'Bible distribution ministry', 'It is good to sell (and even better to give) Bibles, and to expand that as a ministry. However, it is really important that the PCEs are the major part of such a thing, and no modern versions. I know that there is still a market for some of these folks with the Scofield or other such specialist editions. But it is really important that all ordinary/everyday/church/preaching Bibles are (in time) PCEs.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('533', '53322fa54c', 'Love the truth', 'Remember that the Pure Cambridge Edition was made in 1900 and by Anglicans, just as the King James Bible has been used by all kinds of Christians throughout its history. It was not invented by Pentecostals or Baptists, but I believe that all genuine and true Christians should want to have the pure Word.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('534', '96f95f85da', 'Doing good works', '&quot;28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.&quot;

Luke 14.

There are challanges, but with planning, discipline and God\'s help, we are able to get His works done and produce good fruits.

It is very important to see that giving is the way to success. God blesses the giver. Most people think that giving is a loss, but in God\'s system, giving is a gain. He will make sure we gain. He will not let us go hungry and be without if we are trusting in Him and doing His will.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('528', 'e7fd82c970', '', 'Bibleprotector,

[quote:e7fd82c970]As for printing, I have printed in Australia and can mail around the world. I can have the Minion files printed up and bound with stitch binding and either hard or durable soft leather-like covers. [/quote:e7fd82c970]

Well what can you get me for a $5,000 run today and then after we see how it goes we may go for a $25,000 run later. All dollars in US money. Take that into account also. If you can put a few thousand in with my $5,000 say $3,000 we may can get more printed for a over all lower cost. Shipping cost is always an issue. Shipping cost must always be passed on to the customer. The lower you can keep the shipping cost the better. That is unless the labour cost are so low you can save enough to over come the shipping cost. The labour cost in your nation should be about the same or even higher than it is in the USA. Call up the company and find out what the deal is. I want to get the most Bibles for the best price so we can sell them as low as we can. 

Quality is also an issue. I want to have quality Bibles. For the lower end Bibles I\'d like to make Pew Bibles. That is what we call the Bibles that set in the Church pew in the USA if you do not know what Pew Bibles are. For the pew Bibles I want just hard cover Bibles that have the mesh in the binding so they will last. Glue bound without the mesh will not last long. Anything I would sell must be of good quality. If not you\'ll have mad customers. That is not good. I would also like leather Bibles if you can get those made. let me know what the deal is. I was thinking about getting them made about the same size as a Scofield Study Bible. It seems like a good size and most Bibles are about the same size or a little bigger. If all goes well I\'d like to make a large hard back and large print leather Bible. I would want to make it about the same size as the Scofield large print. That seems like a good size to me. We will see how it goes before I even worry about that.

If I end up having to get them made here. I\'ll sell them to you at cost plus shipping so you can get started there if you like. That may be a lower cost for you if I buy in bulk. I will also send you a copy if I do them here and it would be better for you to have them made there. That way if you like the Bible I have made you\'ll have a template to send to your printer so he will know what you want to have done.

I do not want to be a &quot; Bible Baron &quot; when it comes to making a lot of cash, however if I can not make enough to pay myself back I can not do this. I\'m a financial planner not a Bibles seller. I could hire one or two and let them do it. I can not spend all of my money and not get it back. If I did so I\'d be broke and not be able to do the Bibles any more. If I could get the Bibles printed up and out on the market. I could put a man to work doing it full time. I\'d have to make enough cash to do a few things.

1. Cover the expense of the Bibles.

2. Cover paying the worker so he could sell Bibles full time.

3. Pay back at least 100% of my original investment. 

That would be low balling what I would have to make from this &quot; business &quot; to get it started and keep it going. After one year I would hope it could carry it\'s self and be self supporting.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('529', '8c46d18875', '', 'Bibleprotector,

I\'d like to thank you for all of your work and help with this issue. I hope we can all get together on this and move forward. WE can do this job, it will not be easy, however most good things in life are hard to do. So lets hope for the best and do what we can.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('530', 'd2863e9a9a', 'Good News Bad news', 'Bibleprotector,

Well buddy I have got some good news and some bad news. The good news is that Dr. Greens group will look at the PCE, however they will not print any for me to sell even if I pay for the upfront and try to sell them at a profit. I can not just give away all of that money and not make it back.

The other good news is I was offered a job trying to sell Bibles at cost to the Baptist churches here in Texas. I am going to pray about this issue and see what happens. I\'ll let you know. The search is not over yet. There are other places to look.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('535', '32be6d5ef1', '', 'Bibleprotector,

[quote:32be6d5ef1]It is good to sell (and even better to give) Bibles, and to expand that as a ministry.[/quote:32be6d5ef1]

I agree, however I do not want a job selling Bibles or have the cash to drop $250,000 on Bibles and give them all away. If I did I\'d be broke and would have to stop the Bible work all together. That seems to be what he was wanting me to do. It was a nice offer, however that is not what I\'m all about. I am about getting God\'s true word out the and getting enough funding from profits to keep it and a few people going to the work can stay going even after I am dead and gone. Being a financial planner I always think long term and beyond what I can do in my short life time.

I just saw you post and now know they are printing and giving away the Concord Cambridge.. After reading most of what you have to say about the PCE and knowing what they are giving away I think I\'ll turn down his offer. I will pray about it for about a week and unless God changes my mind this is what I am going to do. I love Dr. Green and value him offering me this wonderful opportunity. It is a very nice offer from God\'s man. I am thinking this will not be a good fit as I think the Lord is leading me in a different way. Pray for me that God will help me see his perfect will and be willing to fallow him in the path that he wants me to go.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('536', '3f153b00e1', '', 'Bibleprotector,

There may be a way we can &quot; pool &quot; our money and try to work together on this project. This might be the best thing to do at this time. I know you have a publisher in mind. I also know you have a publisher that has already worked with you in the past. I also know you know far more about publishing than I do, therefore it may be best for you to work this end of the biz. I know I can move them here, we just need to see if the ends justify the means for us to work together. The savings may cover my shipping cost. As you know if they are printed there I must have my part shipped here.

We need to talk numbers on the phone or in the email. If this is something that is of interest to you email me and we will see what we can work out. Also send me your info. I want to buy one of your low end Bibles now. I\'ll need your address so I can mail you a check or a more secure way to pay you via credit card.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('537', '940a6d9268', '', 'bibleprotector,

[quote:940a6d9268]I believe that all genuine and true Christians should want to have the pure Word.[/quote:940a6d9268]

I agree with you 100%, this is the main issue. I do not think Baptist are the only apple on the tree as the old saying goes. I am thankful for the work that others have done for the Word of God in the past. I also know others will also be working for the Word of God in the future. I will tell any man what I am and where I sand. I always have and always will. That does not mean I have a problem working with others like you on the issues that we agree on like God\'s word.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('538', 'd20457f5ed', '', 'Bibleprotector,

I agree, the Jews who the book of Luke was written for seemed not to understand what Jesus was telling them to do here. They also disobeyed his sound advice to the Jews. This is why Jesus only had 12 disciples. Most of the Jews would not forsake all.

[quote:d20457f5ed]Gal 6: 7 - 9

 7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.[/quote:d20457f5ed]

This is the law for our age. We have to sow to the Spirit. This is what I hope to do with this endeavor. The key part of this endeavor is faint not in our sowing. To be able to keep sowing and never stop sowing. That is why planning is the key to this issue. I had rather spend $10,000 per year every year and keep going than spend it all at one time and only sow for a short time.

This is all about good sowing and bad sowing. We must sow to the Spirit and keep sowing to the Spirit. For us to reap we must not faint. 

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('539', '38c39c1bcb', '', 'There are some other things that you can do:

1. Get a sound knowledge of the Bible purity issue.

2. Encourage KJB-printing ministries in the USA to print the PCE.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('540', 'b9e5b2d186', '', 'Amen, Atlas, it is good to read of your zeal.

So, if we do what we can today, we might not have the knowedge or power to have lots of nice PCEs (lots of people want leather bound ones with all the nice features), but in time, as the knowledge increases, as the hunger increases, as faith increases, we will have this.

People should see they have the &quot;gold&quot; in the most humble form of the PCE, and realise that in some nations getting any KJB is rare. There is a Laodicean attitude of &quot;I want my own nice leather PCE&quot; while neglecting sowing into this area, or not thinking about the pure Word reaching all the poor Christians who would be glad to get any pure Bible, even if it was second hand.

There needs to be a thankfulness that God has actually revealed the pure Word and that someone is paying to put it onto the internet for them to get anywhere in the world.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('541', 'cb3499f9a2', '', 'This is a reminder that PCEs can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry at:

[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('542', '60a106fd4b', 'Denominationalism Barriers', 'Thank God for you Brother Atlas.
The world needs more like yourself.

Peter');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('543', '2ed92aff0b', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'The Biblical preacher is not preaching because he or she wants to be popular. It is because the will of God to reach the world is of utmost importance.

&quot;And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [i:2ed92aff0b]person[/i:2ed92aff0b], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly&quot; (2 Peter 2:5). The preacher of righteousness points to the righteousness of Christ and seeks to convert sinners to be servants of righteousness.

&quot;But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.&quot; (Romans 6:17,18). When the servant of sin (ie. sinner) hears the Word of God preached, there is a decision to be made: &quot;Will I be obedient to the Gospel, repent of my sins and turn to Christ as my Saviour?&quot; If the decision is to obey, it is to respond to the work of Christ in purchasing salvation for all of mankind if only they believe and receive that wonderful gift.

Biblical preaching warns the sinner and edifies the Christian. There must be no compromise on this. &quot;Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord&quot; (Acts 3:19).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('544', 'd1c707f626', '', 'Bibleprotector,

I may buy one of your Bibles soon, unless I start spending money getting this PCE printed.

I have found a publisher that is willing to take the small job here in the USA. I have talked to him he seems like someone I am willing to work with. he is going to call me back later today with some prices and other information. 

They also may print your book for you. If you want it published in the USA that is. They mostly print books about the Bible.

I think I have a print ready edition. How can I get it to you for review without sending it via email?

This is the list of things I have added to a copy of the PCE I have obtained from you.

[quote:d1c707f626]1. Statement to all King James Bible (KJB) supporters concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition (PCE).

2. HOW TO KNOW THE PURE CAMBRIDGE EDITION OF THE KING JAMES BIBLE

3. THE TRANSLATORS OF THE KING JAMES BIBLE (1604–1611).

4. Letter to King James

5. The Translators to the Reader

6. Crown for your website

7. Picture of King James from your website.[/quote:d1c707f626]

Nothing else has been changed. These add on have added on 13 pages to the PCE I obtained from you guys. It all looks really nice so far. 

I would like to add page numbers at the bottom of each page. I\'d also like to add where you are at the top of each page.

As an example: 

At the top of the page

Gen 1:1 - Gen 3:6 

Page 1 

At the bottom of the page.

Gen. 3:6 - gen. 5:25

Page 2

So on and so forth.

I think that would be nice to add so when you open the Bible you know what book chapter and verse is on the page below and what page number you are on. I do not have to have this, but it would be nice. It will take time but I may do this. I\'d do Roman numerals for the 1st 14 pages. I think it would work better and the Bible started on page 1. That is just me and how I\'d like to do it.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('545', 'eb16127031', 'words and images', 'If you are going to print &quot;your&quot; job, while you can use the various materials you mention, I would suggest that it would be incorrect as such to indicate that &quot;Bible Protector&quot; is publishing that work, since you would be. But to what extent you wish to mention that you originally obtained the text from “Bible Protector” is up to you.

Also, while I suppose I have a &quot;copyright&quot; over that crown symbol, it has certain significations, and is related to the authority of printing the King James Bible, namely, &quot;Whereas all rights in respect of the Authorized King James Version of the Holy Bible are vested in the Crown in the United Kingdom and controlled by Royal Letters Patent, the Pure Cambridge Edition is maintained and protected in Australasia by the execution of the counsel of God.&quot;

Having said that, while you are not officially acting for or deputised by the Bible Protector ministry, and are living in another nation, the Scripture has also said, &quot;For he that is not against us is on our part.&quot; (Mark 9:40). &quot;He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.&quot; (Matthew 12:30). It is certainly good that you are acting FOR the pure Word, and in line with the guardian way.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('546', '1619be9bd9', '', 'Bibleprotector, 

It is going to say I published it, however I an using some of your things.

I just emailed it to you, I do not know any other way to send it. This way you can see what I\'m talking about. If you see anything that needs changing let me know. 

I do not have word so I can not number the pages. If you can number the pages that would be very kind of you.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('547', 'cf11bf84f2', '', 'Bibleprotector,

Thank you for this post. You have did so much study on this issue. I am glad you have made this post. I am learning more and more about this issue each and every day. I am glad I have changed my mind on this issue. Thank you for helping me with this issue.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('548', '2a2e320540', '', '[quote:2a2e320540]I am glad I have changed my mind on this issue.[/quote:2a2e320540]
I am all for people to be agreeing together on the correct doctrine of having the Word as foundation. If we are not learning things and becoming more Christ-like, something is wrong.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('549', 'be453b4d73', 'Family Bible\'s are a place to start.', 'Guys,

After a few long talks with my publisher it looks like a family Bible may be the best place to start. Doing a short run and doing a regular size Bible cost more than it should for a little run, less than 500. Therefore family Bibles seem to be the best place to start for the time being. I\'ll be back Monday with the exact cost per Bible per hundred.  This is not what I was really after, but it is a start and that is worth something.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('550', '8705bb6ca6', 'The Translators to the Reader', 'Guys,

Where can I get a good copy of The Translators to the Reader that came out of the original CPE?

I just keep being told I do not have the right one. I can accept that, however I need the correct one.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('551', '2b1f545ec4', '', '[url]www.bibleprotector.com/The_Translators_to_the_Reader.pdf[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('552', 'c09406ea9a', 'Translators to the Reader', 'I copied the whole letter by hand several years ago.
You can also find it at this site that has the first 1611 edition He Bible.
I have found out that the New testament is missing at least a couple pages.
*******
1611 first edition [he]
http://dewey.library.upenn.edu/sceti/printedbooksNew/index.cfm?TextID=kjbible&amp;PagePosition=6');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('553', '8c26b38259', 'Family Bible', 'What are the ingredients of a family Bible?
Genealogies,Index to the Holy Bible,cross reference,Bible dictionary...');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('554', '937d08745a', '', 'Peter,

[quote:937d08745a]What are the ingredients of a family Bible? [/quote:937d08745a]

Here is what is say on Rutherford B. Hayes Presidential Center website. This sums it up fast and easy. Many families also have a family Bible today and keep the tradition alive and well. You and your family should do the same.

[quote:937d08745a]The family bible was often the most precious possession of the nineteenth-century American household. In addition to spiritual inspiration, religious instruction, and the means by which many children learned to read, the bible served as the repository of a family’s vital records. Family bibles were often handed down from one generation to another. Each succeeding generation recorded its family’s birth, death, marriage, and baptismal dates and places. Precious photographs, documents, and keepsakes were stored in the family bible as well.[/quote:937d08745a]

http://www.rbhayes.org/hayes/mssfind/287/fambible.htm 

It is just a large Bible. This Bible will have a place for all birth records, marriages, deaths and other major family events. They will also have a place for a huge family tree. Every family Bible in the USA is passed from one generation to the next. That may also be a southern thing as well. My families major family Bible is over well over a 180 years old. Other than that it is just a plain text Bible. Some newer ones have a few pages of maps and some have old style paintings of like King David and other Bible paintings like that. It all depends on who made the family Bible and when it was made. Our major family Bible does not have any maps or anything.

Here is an example of a new family Bible and the pictures.

http://www.thekjvstore.com/product_lookinside.php?pgid=468&amp;sid=ba3eac72dd8fc9e04e3f458490475bfc

Just about all new families in the south get a new family Bible when they get married. All of the information is put into the major/master family Bible and kept by one of the family elders and passed on to the next generation. The new families get a new Bible and put all of their new family information in it. There is only one master family Bible in a family and many minor family Bibles.

In the old days this is how everything was taken care of. In the south even the courts would recognize family Bible records as valid court records. Back in those day no one had death or birth certificates. When you got married and wrote in down in your Bible. Those records would stand in a court of law if need be.

If you or you family does not have a family Bible this is a tradition you need to start. My father gave me and my wife a family Bible when we got married. My grand father recorded our marriage in our major family Bible. He has passed away, now my great uncle has out master family Bible. He will keep it until he passes. Then the family Bible will move to the next member of the family. The master family Bible matters the most. We all still get new family Bibles and pass them to our children. When my grand pa died he left my uncle 9 minor family Bibles. They get passed on also, but they do not matter as much as the major family Bible.

Here are a few examples.

http://www.rbhayes.org/hayes/mssfind/287/fambible.htm

http://familybibles.blogspot.com

http://my.erinet.com/~fordnag/Bibles.htm

http://www.rootsweb.com/~minewayg/fmbible.html

I am sure that folks in Canada have used family Bibles in the past. I find it odd that you may have never heard of a family Bible. I never thought this was a southern thing anymore until today. That thought saddens me. I was amazed and saddened by your question.

Please start the family Bible tradition in your family today. It is very important for your family to have a family Bible. It will help them know The Lord and the history of their family. My grand pa would always read out of the family Bible on Christmas and Thanksgivings and other family events. Those are some of my fondest memories growing up. We all took of our hats and listened to grand pa read from the family Bible and pray before ever big family event. many time grand pa would pull out the family Bible and read to us kids ever if there was nothing going on. We\'d set on his lap and be very quiet as he read the Bible. Sometime he would do it if there was only one grand child there sometimes there may be ten of us there. He\'d tell us all to be nice and that he was going to read the Bible. We\'d all make a circle around him and he would read to us.

My heart is saddened by the fact that you do not know what a family Bible is. This is the saddest post I have ever made in my life. Our nations have fell by the wayside in good family and religious traditions. We need to return to some of those old time family traditions.

You can find and buy a family Bible at most Christian bookstores or online. 

http://www.thekjvstore.com/product_detail.php?sid=ba3eac72dd8fc9e04e3f458490475bfc&amp;mcid=1&amp;pgid=468

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('555', 'c6d8cab904', '', 'Guys,

Thanks for you help in this matter.

I love U Penn, they always have the good stuff.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('556', '290db8f7cf', '', 'Remember that the 1611 Edition of the Translators to the Reader has been fixed up as far as spelling and typos in Bibles over time. The Cambridge Translators to the Reader (not Scrivener\'s) is what I have taken as the &quot;standard&quot; one. The one along with the PCE must be the best possible copy.

[i:290db8f7cf]The preface has undergone a history similar to the text of the King James Bible. Thus, the 1611 “perfited” has been changed to “perfected”, or “brute beasts” rather than “bruit-beasts”, or “an hole” rather than “a hole”, or the abbreviation for “Saint” as “St.” instead of “S”.[/i:290db8f7cf]

[i:290db8f7cf]The main differences between the Cambridge Edition and the other historical editions of the translators’ preface, not counting where one favours the 1611 Edition include:
Section 1, Paragraph 1. “Churchmaintenance”. The London Edition often leaves out hyphens.
Section 1, Paragraph 1. The words “his heel” instead of “the heel”. The London Edition follows the wording from the King James Bible in John 13:18 against the original preface.
Section 1, Paragraph 2. The word “at” is deleted from “at the chiefest” in the London Edition.
Section 2. The word “latter” for “later”. The London Edition is clearly wrong, in that “latter” implies a choice between two times, but “later” describes times more recent than those previously mentioned: this is clearly the case here.
Section 2. The word “even” is deleted from before “Cum” in the London Edition.
Section 3. The word “more” is substituted for “most” in the London Edition to align with several occurrences of “more excellent” in the King James Bible.
Section 4. The London Edition wrongly substitutes “later” for “latter”, where the Church Fathers are divided between those which came before or after Augustine (or the council of Nicaea).
Section 4. The wrong use of grammar, “as St. Basil calls it” instead of “St Basil calleth it”. The London Edition is inconstant with itself in numerous other places by doing this.
Section 9. The lowercase “church of Rome” (Section 9) in the London Edition, which should be capitalised.
Section 9. The word “toward” instead of “towards”. This is consistent with the 1769 Revision of the King James Bible; however, these rules do not necessarily apply in the non-Biblical text.
Section 9. The phrase, “the mother tongue” instead of “their mother tongue”. The London Edition makes a superfluous change.
Section 10. The spelling of “Jerusalem” from “Hierusalem”. The London Edition has modernised the spelling.
Section 11. The quaint form of “Hampton-court” is found in the London Edition.
Section 12, Paragraph 3. The words, “to account of” are added before “publisheth” in the London Edition, while the Cambridge Edition has “published” in that place. The apparent immediate succession of Popes is explained by adding the words “to account of” in the London Edition, so as to allow for the fact that several Popes were instated but did not effectively rule between the two Popes mentioned.
Section 12, Paragraph 3. The old spelling of “shew” for “show” is introduced into the London Edition, against the 1611 Edition.
Section 13. The word “wheal” is substituted for “whey” in the London Edition. The word “wheal” means welts, and creates a mixed metaphor, as welts cannot be drunk.
Section 13. The word “yea” is deleted from the London Edition, against the witness of the original.
Section 14. The word “shew” replaces “show” in the London Edition.
Section 14. The old word “lothing” replaces “loathing” in the London Edition, against the witness of the original.
Section 14. The London Edition boldly replaces “skin is penetrable” with “body is subject to wounds” in line with a quotation from Revelation 13, referring to the Pope.
Section 15, Paragraph 1. “Get you hence” has replaced “Get ye hence” in the London Edition in line with the language and revision which has taken place in the King James Bible.
The London Edition also contains numerous punctuation differences. The London Edition changes, deletes and adds some margin notes. Scrivener’s Edition adds in some italics and expands the margin notes.[/i:290db8f7cf]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('557', '358604436a', 'The Prosperous Church', 'In God, there are principles for Christians to live by. These are not fads or wild ideas but the way to blessing both individually and corporately. The Church is blessed through the giving of the people of God and this is a Biblical fact.

&quot;Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.&quot; (Luke 6:38). It is no use explaining this Scripture away, nor should people mock prosperity by saying &quot;You\'re only giving to get!&quot;. Such mockery only shows ignorance. The reality is that we give out of cheerful heart of gratitude and understand the blessed way of God. We give and the Lord increases by the sowing and reaping principle - this is the way He has set down both physically and spiritually. We progress in God as channels of blessing for God.

&quot;Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with [i:358604436a]his [/i:358604436a]hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.&quot; (Ephesians 4:28). Here is the reality: we must &quot;[b:358604436a]have to give[/b:358604436a]&quot; and this is accomplished by God\'s way, namely that we sow, the Lord increases, and we continue to sow.

Mockery against Biblical prosperity only rebels against God. &quot;Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.&quot; (Psalm 35:27).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('558', '1221bb7c2d', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', 'Healing has always been a part of God’s Covenant with His people. Exodus 15:26 shows us that there was provision for healing for the Children of Israel so long as they hearkened to God’s Word. Scriptures such as Matthew 8:17 and 1 Peter 2:24 point to what Christ has done to enable people to be healed and whole today. Christ has purchased our bodies, spirits and souls with the price of His own blood.

&quot;That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare [i:1221bb7c2d]our[/i:1221bb7c2d] sicknesses.&quot; (Matthew 8:17).

As redeemed people, Christians should use the authority they have in Christ to resist sicknesses and diseases (which are used by the devil to afflict people). The Lord Jesus Christ came to destroy the works of the devil. Importantly, don’t give the devil an entry point by engaging in sin.

&quot;He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.&quot; (1 John 3:8).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('559', 'c82fcc101b', 'Family Bible', '?Atlas, 
I was asking for the contents of a family Bible...specifically..what do you want yours to look like?
Will it be extensive or More of a plain text presentation?
I guess I was not conversant enough for you,sorry for the mix up.
That was some great info, plus, I will read it a couple times for there are a few links as well.
I have several Family Bibles.All are different,in fact very few Bibles of any size are the same. Such a variety.
I have one Bible that has the Apocrypha,And two New testaments.Not side by side but concurrent.One right after the other,First the AV,then the RV.

By the way, Atlas; you do know that you are living my dream.Praise God there is someone with the abilities, such as you and Matthew that has the ability to do such a good thing to further the Kingdom of God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('560', 'e7f59e4c3b', '', 'I found Atlas\' comments about the legal power of Family Bibles very interesting.

I have a large sized Bible which is a PCE, printed by Riverside = Collins.

It is white, with gold writing on outside, presentation page, matrimony page, family trees, births, marriages, deaths. (All blank, even though I bought it second hand.)

Then a big page from &quot;World&quot; with the Collins front, and Royal logo, verso states printed in the USA (I bought it in Australia though!), next two pages are the Epistle Dedicatory, then extensive contents, then Redpath\'s page, then several pages of book synopses, then several pages of where to find key readings.

The Scripture has the centre column, and words of Christ in red. Sets of plates throughout, OT has photos, NT has paintings.

End matter includes, condensed Bible commentary and difficult Bible questions answers, list of parables, harmony of the Gospels, archaeology, chronology, money weights and measures, great themes and key terms, Scripture calendar for daily readings.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('561', '4ecb99730b', '', 'Bibleprotector,

[quote:4ecb99730b]I found Atlas\' comments about the legal power of Family Bibles very interesting. [/quote:4ecb99730b]

Now this did hold true in the past in our nation as far as birth records, marriage records and death records. I do not know if is the case nowadays. Now the state governments issues all of these docs. IE: You are married in Texas you have a Texas sate issued marriage certificate/license. In the old days this was not the case. So the family Bible records could be used in the past for these issues. 

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('562', '057f338c23', '', 'PeterAV,

[quote:057f338c23]By the way, Atlas; you do know that you are living my dream. Praise God there is someone with the abilities, such as you and Matthew that has the ability to do such a good thing to further the Kingdom of God.[/quote:057f338c23]

Trust me my friend. I do not have any abilities at all. I have just been flapping around and have found a good publisher. I have got everything I needed from our friend the Bibleprotector. If you want this to be part of your dream let me know your email addy and we can work together on this project. I have found a good local publisher and he will work with us and help us get this Bible and out to bookstores and peoples homes. I would love to work with someone else on this Bible that way we can make sure everything is 100% correct. If we all can work together on this project we can get more Bibles printed, that will lower the cost and we will have 2 or 3 nations to start marketing this Bible. With you and I together I can work the USA and you can work Canada.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('563', '8ed0a3cc4f', '', 'With the Riverside Bible, the dimensions are almost 12 inches high, 9 inches across and 2 inches thick.

I would think that a Family Bible should have it all:
1. The Epistle Dedicatory
2. The Translators to the Reader
3. The Cambridge margins
4. Redpath\'s pronunciation marked throughout');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('564', '416883fa3c', '', 'Bibleprotector,

[quote:416883fa3c]I would think that a Family Bible should have it all: 

1. The Epistle Dedicatory
2. The Translators to the Reader
3. The Cambridge margins
4. Redpath\'s pronunciation marked throughout [/quote:416883fa3c]

I fully agree with you. I will find out what I can do, cost is the big issue at hand right now.

I may have to start with just a low cost Bible and work my way up. It is always hard to start on top unless you have millions to invest. I do not have that much money at this time.

If you have all of this in one place email it to me in word and I send it to the publisher and see what the deal is. I\'ll let you know how it goes. I have it all but the pronunciation marked throughout. Do you have a PCE like this?

Also do you ant to try and let all of us work together on this deal. If so let me know.

The cool thing about a family Bible is the paper is thicker and lower cost than it would be for a normal Bible.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('565', '6bf41f33d8', '', '[quote:6bf41f33d8]I may have to start with just a low cost Bible and work my way up. It is always hard to start on top unless you have millions to invest. I do not have that much money at this time. [/quote:6bf41f33d8]

Yes, starting and sowing and growing is all good.

That is why I am thinking that there are basically a few kinds of Bibles to do:
1. Cheap ones which are using the &quot;exact&quot; electronic files
2. Nicely bound ones using the &quot;exact&quot; electronic files: I did some of these initially, and PeterAV got some too; I suppose that the Family Bibles you are aiming to do are in this catagory (certainly, there are people who want a nice Bible, if is pure, even if it is just plain and clean text); these can be done in normal size too, e.g. using the Minion Text pdf file
3. A facsimile using an existing PCE Bible, and get it nicely bound

Christ said, &quot; I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich&quot;. (Revelation 3:18a).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('566', 'dd68b17fe8', '', 'Bibleprotector,

I am getting family Bibles for about $15.00 per Bible.

I can get 2,000 for $16,000. That is only $8.00 per Bible. That is if I get maps and everything. They sell for $40.00 at the book store in the USA. I\'d have to sell them to the book store 40% off of $40.00 that is $28.00. That is $20.00 profit. Counting expenses you can pull out about $5.00 per Bible to reinvest in making more Bibles. It will take time to grow, but it will work fine in the end.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('567', 'd52b6f0709', '', 'The more you print at once, the cheaper it becomes per copy.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('568', '6524ccdbbd', '', 'Bibleprotector,

[quote:6524ccdbbd]The more you print at once, the cheaper it becomes per copy.[/quote:6524ccdbbd]

I am only going to print 200 the 1st time. The cost is $15.00 per Bible for 200 Bibles. That is only $3,000 to start, not all that bad. It is far less than I had thought.

Then when I get them out I will loan Buffalo Bible Publishing $16,000 and print 2,000. I\'m also going to make a $5,000 loan for one employee to put the rest out and see what happens. I do not have time to sell Bibles. I have to earn a living. That is why I want one employee. If all goes well. Buffalo Bible Publishing will have $10,000 to reinvest for new Bibles to put out. 

From that point I will see is this is something I can keep putting loans into for a while and get it up and going. If the 2,000 Bibles go fast. I\'ll make one more $65,000 loan and by then BBP should be up and running and self supporting at this point. Then I can start paying myself back slowly and let the company revenue pay for everything else. With 9375 printed and ready Bibles to sell, this should be enough to get it going. Then BBP will have $46,875 to reinvest in publishing Bibles. All of the numbers at set for the $28.00 wholesale per Bible with a $5.00 profit per Bible to BBP.

How many Bibles did you get printed and what was your total cost? What your cost per Bible?

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('569', '7596999e0b', '', 'At the moment, Bible Protector is making available Budget style PCEs for twenty-five Australian dollars (which includes postage and handling).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('571', '0d7d5e049d', 'Women in Ministry', 'Some people use ludicrous arguments against women in ministry. For example, some try to apply the following verse to be used against righteous women who say they have a calling in God to minister in the Church. &quot;Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings.&quot; (Proverbs 31:3). Yet, note that this was given by a godly woman who taught her son this - &quot;The words of king Lemuel, the prophecy that his mother taught him.&quot; (Proverbs 31:1). Proverbs 31:3 is clearly talking about women that would destroy kings (eg. Jezebel). Certainly, when she taught against giving his strength to women, she was not talking about righteous women. We know she was talking about adulterous, whorish or rebellious women because later in this chapter the traits of a virtuous woman are outlined. The fact is that men can indeed trust virtuous women in God: &quot;Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price [i:0d7d5e049d]is [/i:0d7d5e049d]far above rubies. The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.&quot; (Proverbs 31:10,11). Also, &quot;Favour [i:0d7d5e049d]is [/i:0d7d5e049d]deceitful, and beauty [i:0d7d5e049d]is [/i:0d7d5e049d]vain: [i:0d7d5e049d]but [/i:0d7d5e049d]a woman [i:0d7d5e049d]that [/i:0d7d5e049d]feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.&quot; (Proverbs 31:30).

Women that fear the Lord are needed in the ministry and should not be rejected just because they are women. As has previously been explained, if a woman abides by the established order of authority that God has set up, then, of course, she can teach, preach, prophesy, pray and do whatever else the Lord wants in the ministry of the Church.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('661', '4f73ffb135', 'Jerusalem, Her Temple, The Sacrificial Lamb', 'We are well aware of the fact that there are proceedings in the work to get the Temple started in Israel.
Of course, the Arabs will stop it at all cost, but for how long?
But, not only is the progress of the third temple in the works, but also, the Sanhedran [sp] have officially organized, and works are in process for the tribes of Israel to be validated.

But there is yet one more thing that has become the focus as of late, including the all out assault on Israel by Gaza and Syria;

Namely,......

The first official lamb sacrifice to happen today, [April 6/08] courts upholding the legality and squishing the faker folk claiming animal brutality.
*******
Israel National News.
*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('572', 'ec82060a8c', 'What are the consequences of false religion?', '[url=http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1205420721834&amp;pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull]Islam as a false religion[/url] causes enormous problems for other countries that want freedom for their people.

Of course, righteousness can only come through the Lord Jesus Christ and it is this that will do good for a nation. &quot;Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin [i:ec82060a8c]is [/i:ec82060a8c]a reproach to any people.&quot; (Proverbs 14:34).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('574', '635aff946e', 'KJB Folk That Settle For 99.999%', 'I have been testing the waters of KJB sites as of late.
Have found a cool reception of the truth of the Pure Cambridge edition.
Some respond very favorably and are disappointed with their Bible in type because of not owning a pure rendition of the AV.

Others seem to revel in an acceptance of a contradictory,or 99.999% pure Holy Bible.
Most that put up the biggest fight have been big Ruckman fans.
Dr. Ruckman of course never did the work to figure out which KJB was the definitive KJB,nor could he make sense of all the variations, and so he settled for the 99.999% is good enough mentality.

This has rubbed of on many a KJBer.
He admits differences,but nothing to change any major doctrine, and that has been the settled issue with many in this field.
*******
I have found that to tread lightly does not matter sometimes.

They are outspoken and so I need to at times have a flint as well,even though on the same side.

Is it because they are unteachable and proud?
Or is it something that bothers them more than the KJB issue and that is the issue of being Pentecostal? 
Also that of being providential guardians of the pure Holy Bible has made a couple to raise their eyebrows.

I find that the more info I give, the more they squawk right back.
Some points sound good, and If I am not in a fighting for the truth moment,then I let it slip.
But if I say,hold on there...that argument may have worked for the Alexandrians for your excuses, but not now that you know the truth.

This is paramount,even if the differences are minute. It yet goes to attitude. Will they be humble and learn?

God bless that trickle that will one day turn to a few rivulets and then streams and finally the wonderful River of God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('575', '3039deb3da', 'Dr Ruckman', 'Dr Ruckman has had much influence on KJBO thinking, some detrimental. It is time for people to see that the KJBO way is not just the result of one individual taking a stand. The PCE confirms itself as the 100% pure King James Bible edition every day it is defended and presented. I have not seen one single piece of evidence to say that the PCE position is wrong, rather gainsayers etc go against the doctrine of the messengers (in our case here our Traditional Pentecostal position).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1292', 'b65b1241d1', '', 'Thanks Mark for sharing. It\'s great to have you at Church --- it is a blessing indeed!

Regards,
Katrina');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1293', '58893813d0', 'What is faith?', 'Put simply, faith is believing God\'s Word and acting on it. When Jesus was on Earth, He operated in faith at all times. The miracles He performed were performed by faith, and so, He is our supreme example of a faith-person whom we can follow. Someone who operated in the power and anointing of the Holy Ghost, without fear in His life and in complete faith. God has equipped us to operate in the same way.

Jesus said that it was the Father in Him that did the works: &quot;Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.&quot; (John 14:10)

Jesus said that we can do the works that He did, and greater: &quot;Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [i:58893813d0]works [/i:58893813d0]than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.&quot; (John 14:12)

Christians should live by faith each day, and expect the power of God to be at work in their lives.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('579', 'c0da1020df', 'What the Bible says about the unborn child', 'God had a plan ordained for John the Baptist, which was revealed even before his birth. John was filled with the Holy Ghost, even while he was in the womb. The angel spoke to Zacharias of God\'s plan for John:

&quot;For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb. And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.&quot; (Luke 1:15-17).

John\'s spirit was operating, so that when Elisabeth heard Mary\'s voice the Scripture says:

&quot;And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb ...&quot; (Luke 1:41) because the Lord Jesus Christ (in Mary\'s womb) had come into their presence.

&quot;And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed [i:c0da1020df]art[/i:c0da1020df] thou among women, and blessed [i:c0da1020df]is[/i:c0da1020df] the fruit of thy womb. And whence [i:c0da1020df]is[/i:c0da1020df] this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.&quot; (Luke 1:42-44).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('580', '15388f633d', 'How many differences between 1611 and now?', 'After discovering 1347 times that &quot;be&quot; was printed as &quot;bee&quot; in 1611, the word count of differences to the PCE is now 3732.

Of course, &quot;be&quot; also appears in 1611, and it is obvious that &quot;bee&quot; to &quot;be&quot; is not a true difference. The real word &quot;bee&quot; appears at one place.

If someone talks about &quot;24,000 differences&quot;, they are obviously wrong (unless they are counting every letter difference). And it is easy to see that 3732 differences are just corrections of typographical errors, standardisations in the spelling and the like.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('581', '334c5603db', '', 'Guys,

[quote:334c5603db]Dr Ruckman has had much influence on KJBO thinking, some detrimental.[/quote:334c5603db]

[quote:334c5603db]in our case here our Traditional Pentecostal position[/quote:334c5603db]

I am not opposed to you my friends. I respect you, however you also should respect Dr. Ruckman. He has worked hard for the Lord.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('587', '982e7261c2', 'Checking', '4:26 bare 

&gt;&gt; what about borne/born

8:13 hundreth 

&gt;&gt; &quot;and one&quot; or &quot;and first&quot;?

39:9 ?then is correct here 

&gt;&gt; &quot;than I&quot;

41:6 sprung
41:38 Spirit 

47:6 among 
47:18 also hath our 

&gt;&gt; Are you sure these above four? Not sprang, spirit, amongst and had?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('588', '9138ae4970', '1612', 'Exodus reads;

3:18 you shall
7:17 mine
15:11 amogft with line above o
17:7 among
38:9 an hundred');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('589', '07bddee191', 'Re: Checking', '[quote:07bddee191=\"bibleprotector\"]4:26 bare 

&gt;&gt; what about borne/born
*******
to him alfo there was bare a fonne,

8:13 hundreth 

&gt;&gt; &quot;and one&quot; or &quot;and first&quot;?
*******
and one

39:9 ?then is correct here 

&gt;&gt; &quot;than I&quot;
*******
then I  [than I is in PCE as should be]

41:6 sprung [yes]
41:38 Spirit [yes]

47:6 among [yes]
47:18 also hath our [yes]
These four read like that,yes.

&gt;&gt; Are you sure these above four? Not sprang, spirit, amongst and had?[/quote:07bddee191]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('590', 'fe8ce772aa', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;He that trusteth in his riches shall fall: but the righteous shall flourish as a branch.&quot; (Proverbs 11:28).

The righteous know that they are redeemed by Christ\'s work on the cross, so they understand that without God they are nothing. &quot;For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.&quot; (Galatians 6:3). The righteous know that through Christ all is made available to them if only they would believe - in this way, they flourish in God. &quot;Praise ye the LORD. Blessed is the man that feareth the LORD, that delighteth greatly in his commandments. His seed shall be mighty upon earth: the generation of the upright shall be blessed. Wealth and riches shall be in his house: and his righteousness endureth for ever.&quot; (Psalm 112:1-3).

Trusting in riches is deception because in riches there is nothing but in Christ there is all that God wants for His people. &quot;Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy&quot; (1 Timothy 6:17). Note clearly here that God is the one who &quot;giveth us richly all things to enjoy&quot; as our trust is in Him. This is the prosperity God wants for His people and it is a witness to the world that we trust in God and He blesses.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('583', '4909a59a96', 'Ruckman', '[quote:4909a59a96]you also should respect Dr. Ruckman. He has worked hard for the Lord.[/quote:4909a59a96]
This topic is not about respect but about the pure KJB and its acceptance across the KJBO movement. If people have made mistakes in their beliefs (eg. in thinking that it doesn\'t matter which KJB Edition is used), the best way is to correct those mistakes and go forward in God. No doubt, Dr Ruckman has done some good.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('584', '50490ab4f1', '1612', 'Here is the first of my list from 1612.
You can determine if they are changes or not, but this is what I found so far.
*******
Readings of my 1612 edition:

Gen 4:7 doe well
4:26 bare
7:4 from
8:13 hundreth
18:3 from
22:7 fire and the wood
24:44 whom
31:1 which was our fathers [yet no apostrophe]
32:15 asses
36:5 typo..botne
39:9 ?then is correct here
41:6 sprung
41:38 Spirit
42:28 another
47:6 among
47:18 also hath our
47:24 miss-numbered as 23 again.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('585', '9231887113', '', 'Excellent work Peter. More please! It would be good to build up a picture of this 1612 Edition to see what differences there already were to 1611. Norton\'s book lists some things, but not all the areas, e.g. intreat/entreat, eight/eighth, stabish/establish, etc.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('586', 'e9c5e58c83', 'Smith Wigglesworth\'s prophecy', 'The Appointed “Hour” — Life Out of Death
The Applause of the World vs. the Approval of God.

Evan. Smith Wigglesworth at a Communion Service in the Stone Church, Nov. 5, 1922

__________

I remember the day when He saved me and when He called me out. If there is a thing God wants to do today, He wants to be as real to you and me as He was to Abraham. After I was saved I joined myself up to a very lively lot of people who were full of a revival spirit, and it was marvelous how God blest. And then there came a lukewarmness and indifference, and God said to me as clearly as anything, “Come out.” I obeyed and came out. The people said, “We cannot understand you. We need you now and you are leaving us.” The Plymouth brethren at that time were in a Conference. The Word of God was with them in power, the love of God was with them unveiled. Baptism by immersion was revealed to me, and when my friends saw me go into the water they said I was altogether wrong, But God had called me and I obeyed. The day came when I saw that the brethren had dropped down to the letter, all letter, dry and barren. At that time the Salvation Army was filled with love, filled with power, filled with zeal; every place a revival, and I joined up with them. For about six years the glory of God was there, and then the Lord said again, “Come out,” and I was glad I came. It dropped right into a social movement and God has no place for a social movement. We are saved by regeneration and the man who is going on with God has no time for social reforms. God moved on, and at that time there were many people who were receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost without signs. Those days were “days of heaven on earth.” God unfolded the truth, showed the way of sanctification by the power of the blood of Christ, and I saw in that the great inflow of the life of God. I thank God for that, but God came along again and said, “Come out.” I obeyed God and went with what they called the “tongues” folks; they got the credit for having further light. I saw God advancing every movement I made, and I can see even in this Pentecostal work, except we see there is a real death, God will say to us, “Come out.” Unless Pentecost wakes up to shake herself free from all worldly things and comes into a place of the divine-likeness with God, we will hear the voice of God, “Come out” and He will have something far better than this. I ask every one of you, will you hear the voice of God and come out? You ask, “What do you mean?” Everyone of you knows without exception, there is no word for Pentecost, only being on fire. If you are not on fire, you are not in the place of regeneration. It is only the fire of God that burns up the entanglements of the world. When we came into this new work God spoke to us by the Spirit and we knew we had to reach the place of absolute yieldedness and cleansing, so that there would be nothing left. We were swept and garnished. Brother, that was only the beginning, and if you have not made tremendous progress in that holy zeal and power and compassion of God, we can truly say you have backslidden in heart.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('591', 'e99b5e9df6', 'The King James Bible is Perfect', '[b:e99b5e9df6]Why the King James Bible is the Word of God[/b:e99b5e9df6]

The other day I went to Wal-Mart and noticed something strange.  There is hardly any King James Bibles on the book shelves.  All I see anymore is the NIV, NKJV and all the other new versions.  A lot of people will tell you that those new versions are just the same, but easier to read.  Whoever tells you that is either a liar or they do not know what is going on.  

The new versions are not just the same.  They take away and add not only words, but complete verses!  Read below in [b:e99b5e9df6]Luke 4:4 [/b:e99b5e9df6]and guess what part the NIV takes out, [b:e99b5e9df6]“but by every word of God.”[/b:e99b5e9df6]  The devil is watering down the word of God with these new versions.  

[b:e99b5e9df6]Luke 4:4
“And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.” KJV[/b:e99b5e9df6]

 I will use the NIV for example, since it is one of the most sold bible versions in America.  The NIV takes away 64,576 words and 17 complete verses.  Here is another shocker, in 1988 Zondervan and the NIV was purchased by HarperCollins Publishers. HarperCollins publishes pro-homosexual books and I do not even want to name off the names of the book titles.  If you want to check it out, go to their publishers’ website.  Oh, and if that is not enough, HarperCollins also publishes a satanic bible!  I could go on and on and expose those other new versions, but that would take forever.  I will leave it up to you to study to see the major differences between the King James Bible and the new versions.  

The new “bibles” take away the blood of Christ out of [b:e99b5e9df6]Colossians 1:4[/b:e99b5e9df6].   They take away the word “Lord” out of the dying thief’s mouth in [b:e99b5e9df6]Luke 23:42[/b:e99b5e9df6].  In [b:e99b5e9df6]Isaiah 7:14[/b:e99b5e9df6], the new versions deny the virgin birth by replacing “virgin” with “young woman”.   There are so many other examples that I could bring up, but it would take a too many pages to list them all.  If you do not believe me, compare those above verses using the King James Bible and the NIV.  The devil is using these new versions to destroy the truth in the word of God.  

[b:e99b5e9df6]Jeremiah 23:36
“..for ye have perverted the words of the living God..” KJV[/b:e99b5e9df6]

People often tell me that it is hard for them to read the King James Bible.  Well, I am here to tell you that those new versions are not easier than the King James Bible.  Tests have proved that the King James Bible is on a lower reading grade level than the new versions.  There are a bunch of times where in the new versions it is hard to read, but in the King James Bible it is crystal clear.  If you think the King James Bible is hard to read it is because you are too lazy to study the word of God.  All you need to understand God’s Word is the Holy Spirit and some of your time, not a new “bible”.  

[b:e99b5e9df6]Proverbs 8:8-9
8 “All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.” KJV[/b:e99b5e9df6]

I am sure there are people thinking, “What about the originals?”  There are no more originals.  There are only copies of 100\'s of Greek texts and they all differ from each other.  Greek “scholars” will try to tell you that we need to go back to the Greek to get the true meaning.  That is a lie, all you need to do to understand the Bible is to read it in the correct context that it is suppose to be read.  Next time someone tells you to go to the Greek, tell them to go preach a whole sermon in Greek(I am sure they cannot).  All they do is quote a couple of Greek words and try to act smart.  They tell you what their teachers told them and I believe their putting more faith in their interpretation than they put in the word of God.

Another reason I believe the King James Bible is the word of God is because the manuscripts that the translators used were from Antioch.  Let us see what the Bible says about Antioch…

[b:e99b5e9df6]Acts 11:26
&quot;And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.&quot; KJV[/b:e99b5e9df6]

There is coincidence for you.  The place where the King James Bible manuscripts are from is the same place where the first Christians originated.  Maybe you are wondering about where the new versions get their texts.  The new versions get their manuscripts from Alexandria, Egypt.  Let us read what the Bible says about that place…

[b:e99b5e9df6]Deuteronomy 17:16-17
16 But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.
17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.&quot; KJV[/b:e99b5e9df6]

	How about that, God led people away from Egypt.  If God led people away from Egypt, there is no way I want a “bible” that gets the manuscripts from a place like that.

Did you know that the only Bible without a copyright is the King James Bible?  All the other versions have copyrights.  What are copyrights made for? Money.  What does the Bible say about the love of money?

[b:e99b5e9df6]1 Timothy 6:10
“For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” KJV[/b:e99b5e9df6]

If your King James Bible has a copyright, do you know why it does?  Because of the side notes, dictionary, concordance and etc.  If you buy a plain King James Bible without any notes or anything, you will have no copyright.  Anyone can freely reprint the King James Bible without getting into copyright trouble.  The reason I bring this up is because the Bible says…

[b:e99b5e9df6]2 Timothy 2:9
“..the word of God is not bound.” KJV[/b:e99b5e9df6]

Did you see that?  It says [b:e99b5e9df6]“the word of God is not bound.”[/b:e99b5e9df6]  I do not believe that the word of God should be bound by human copyright and that is why I am against the new “bibles”.  

I believe the King James Bible is inspired by God.  I believe without a shadow of a doubt that God had something to do with the King James Bible.  Did you know that the King James Bible was the seventh English Bible made?  Read these below verses carefully.

[b:e99b5e9df6]Psalms 12:6-7
6 &quot;The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.&quot; KJV[/b:e99b5e9df6]

You see that?  The words of the Lord are pure, purified [b:e99b5e9df6]SEVEN[/b:e99b5e9df6] times, and then God goes on to say that He would preserve His words [b:e99b5e9df6]FOREVER[/b:e99b5e9df6].  God said He would preserve His words forever and I will believe Him over any religious “scholar”.  Oh, and the fact that the King James Bible is the [b:e99b5e9df6]SEVENTH[/b:e99b5e9df6] English Bible and God said His Words are purified [b:e99b5e9df6]SEVEN[/b:e99b5e9df6] times is just a coincidence. ;)

[b:e99b5e9df6]1. The Tyndale Bible, 1534  
2. Coverdale Bible, 1535  
3. Matthews Bible, 1537
4. The Great Bible, 1539  
5. The Geneva Bible, 1560  
6. The Bishops’ Bible, 1568
7. The Authorized Version of the Bible, 1611[/b:e99b5e9df6]

	I believe the King James Bible is the word of God because it was published under the authority of a king, unlike the modern new versions.  It makes perfect sense for the word of God to be translated under the authority of a king, rather than a democracy.  King James wanted the Bible to be printed in English, so the common people could all read the Bible whenever they wanted.
[b:e99b5e9df6]
Ecclesiastes 8:4
&quot;Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?&quot; KJV[/b:e99b5e9df6]

Did you know England holds absolute time and location?  Zero degrees longitude is located in England.  If that is true, why would England not hold absolute truth?  Now there is something to think about.

Dear reader, those were some of the reasons I believe the King James Bible is the word of God.  If you have a King James Bible, thank God for it everyday.  It is a blessing for us to have the very words of God in our own hands and we should thank Him for that.  If you are reading this and you read one of those new versions, I do not hold a grudge against you, but I plead with you to pray and study about this subject.  This is a serious issue that needs to be looked at and not ignored.  People can get saved by reading a different language bible and the new versions, but if a reader wants to become a true studier of the word of God, I stress for them to get a King James Bible.  

[i:e99b5e9df6]Love in [b:e99b5e9df6]Christ[/b:e99b5e9df6] and [b:e99b5e9df6]God[/b:e99b5e9df6] Bless
Cody Watters[/i:e99b5e9df6]

[i:e99b5e9df6]Article from www.Baptist1611.vze.com[/i:e99b5e9df6]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('592', 'b4502781f7', '1612', 'Leviticus reads;
4:35 shall burn them
11:11 ye shall
13:56 plague
15:5 bathe
15:6 bathe
15:8 bathe
17:14 Yee shall
18:3 the land of Canaan
19:34 shalbe
20:11 shalbe
22:10 a foiourner of the Priests
22:11 born
23:20 for the Priests
*******
Some are included in the list because they match not the spelling of either list. I understand that you were not concerned with the spellings of certain words,but I thought to cover all bases anyway.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('593', 'cac0ccfea8', 'DR. RUCKMAN', 'I also am a huge supporter of Dr. Ruckman.
Have read some of his books several times and will yet read them till I die.

But I was simply stating facts that I saw as I have grown in this field,I have seen a few buck the proof with little fact but simply resort to the old arguments that worked well enough against the Alexandrians.They are refusing to grow in the Knowledge of our LORD Jesus Christ, in this area.
I suppose most have areas of needed growth,but this is a crucial issue.
Namely, the purity of the word of God.

But when Rick continually harped on Which KJB is the Pure KJB, needless to say, that got under the skin of a few. He had much facts to back up his claims,howbeit that he did not understand the quagmire he was in either.

When Nick Kizziah dug into this, he also noticed as many KJBers as myself,that many errors are in certain KJB Bibles or at least variations.

I wrote to Nick to see if he had a complete list, but he wrote back telling me that he had not done any more work at that time but did suspect there were other variations and reverting back to error in the newer Cambridge Bibles.

It was Matthew that realized that Nick was himself using a slightly corrupted version himself,howbeit, purer that what was starting to come out now.

This research of Matthew\'s and that of Bible Protector Ministries has broken open the KJB Only field into a whole new confidence in the veracity of the purity of the Pure Cambridge King James Bible.
This bodes to immediate logical conclusions of Psalm 68. Namely to publish the truth. Great was the company that published it.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('594', 'ed4cbe26d8', '1612', 'Numbers reads;
All fine but a variation in 3:35 Northwards.
7:54
7:55..out of numerical order');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('595', '18a1054f83', '1612', 'Deuteronomy reads;
33:5 Iefhurun
*******
Joshua is fine, however 22:29 and :24 are out of order.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('596', 'e6969bf0a7', '1612', 'Judges reads;
2:2 yee shall...you shall...but not specified in list [first or second etc.]
6:37 mine
13:8 intreated
20:10 men on an hundred
*******
Ruth reads;
2:13 thy handmaidens
3:15 fhe went
*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('597', '8a9534093a', '1612', '1 Samuel reads;
10:10 of Prophets [Tyndale often capitalized Prophets]
10:10 Spirit
16:14 Spirit
20:5 in the fields [both columns read the same.]
*******
2 Samuel reads;
2:9 And he made him
7:16 eftablifhed...eftablifhed
23:2 Spirit
*******
So far, some 48 changes to agree with the Pure Cambridge.
This means that there will no doubt be about 200 in total.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('598', '5d8e479db1', 'Perfecting the house', 'What we are seeing is that there is a perfecting of the KJBO house. Some were called to lay the foundation, some workmen did so, but now we are in the perfection work.

&quot;Now all the work of Solomon was prepared unto the day of the foundation of the house of the LORD, and until it was finished. So the house of the LORD was perfected.&quot; (2 Chron. 8:16).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('599', 'edeca0abb0', '', '[quote:edeca0abb0]Here is another shocker, in 1988 Zondervan and the NIV was purchased by HarperCollins Publishers. HarperCollins publishes pro-homosexual books and I do not even want to name off the names of the book titles. If you want to check it out, go to their publishers’ website. Oh, and if that is not enough, HarperCollins also publishes a satanic bible! I could go on and on and expose those other new versions, but that would take forever. [/quote:edeca0abb0]

Collins was once a good publisher. William Collins and Sons was publishing the pure King James Bible. Obviously, they seem to be at the end of their witness now.

We have to be aware that just because a company is now evil, that they were not evil in the past. Paul wrote to the Church in Rome, and they were good. Now the so-called Church of Rome is not good.

It is a weak argument to say that because some folks are doing evil, that all should be tarred with the same brush, otherwise every single Hollywood movie would be evil because some are evil, or every single American would be evil because some are evil, or every single Bible evil because some are evil. Clearly, we have to rightly divide.

[quote:edeca0abb0]Another reason I believe the King James Bible is the word of God is because the manuscripts that the translators used were from Antioch.[/quote:edeca0abb0]

This is only in a portion true, in fact, true Bible manuscripts were used all around the Roman Empire. The 1611 translators gained knowledge of the correct text of the Word of God from a variety of sources.

[quote:edeca0abb0]The new versions get their manuscripts from Alexandria, Egypt.[/quote:edeca0abb0]

This is only in a portion true, since there were corrupters in Rome itself, and other places.

[quote:edeca0abb0]If God led people away from Egypt, there is no way I want a “bible” that gets the manuscripts from a place like that.[/quote:edeca0abb0]

While Egypt is a symbol for the world and so on, there are good references for Egypt too, such as that they should be converted, see Isaiah 19.

[quote:edeca0abb0]Did you know that the only Bible without a copyright is the King James Bible?[/quote:edeca0abb0]

Actually, heaps of Bible versions never had copyrights. Certainly the versions made from the 1800s are copyright. I think that many people were deceived into thinking modern versions are good, and that they were not promoting them for financial gain. But yes, obviously financial gain is the motive of some.

[quote:edeca0abb0]People can get saved by reading a different language bible and the new versions, but if a reader wants to become a true studier of the word of God, I stress for them to get a King James Bible. [/quote:edeca0abb0]

I strongly agree, and I think in time that genuine conversions may well be linked with the movement/people who use the KJB.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('600', '601a3219c8', '', 'Thanks Peter, this is really useful. Can you please confirm the spelling of &quot;born&quot; at some places too, has it yet been changed to &quot;born&quot;, or still spelt &quot;borne&quot; in 1612?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('601', '7dbab1bdfe', 'KJB perfect', '[quote:7dbab1bdfe]I think in time that genuine conversions may well be linked with the movement/people who use the KJB[/quote:7dbab1bdfe]
In fact, the further the modern versions go away from purity, correct doctrine and holiness, the fewer true conversions will be amongst those who esteem such modernist ways. This is indeed the trend we see now amongst the modernists.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('602', '9dec0e4a9d', 'Registering now requires you to answer a simple question', 'The Bible Protector board now requires a special code to be entered for registration. It is called &quot;Authorization Code&quot;. All you have to do is answer an easy question on the registration screen. If you are already registered it does not affect you. The question is: &quot;What year was the KJB first published?&quot; The code is that year. It is really easy!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('603', 'd31bc0c41c', '1612', 'I have been checking everything on the list.
This includes borne-borne.
So far, all is borne.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('604', '9c256ab301', '', 'Okay, that\'s good. Please keep going as you are able.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('606', 'a1f151f861', '', '[quote:a1f151f861]Judges reads; 
2:2 yee shall...you shall...but not specified in list [first or second etc.] [/quote:a1f151f861]

Second, ye shall throw

**********

Evidently, corrections (that is, places which match the PCE) appear already in 1612, moreso than I thought.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('608', '97b41d5b99', 'The attack on God\'s name &quot;JEHOVAH&quot;', '&quot;And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.&quot; (Ezekiel 36:23).

The Jews and false Christians have attacked God\'s name JEHOVAH.

&quot;So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.&quot; (Ezekiel 39:7).

God promises that when He strikes down Gog, He will also make it so that people will know what His name is.

&quot;Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;&quot; (Ezekiel 39:25).

Doubtlessly, the enemies of God have also attacked God\'s name. Even now certain people say that God is &quot;Yahweh&quot;, and others say that Yahweh is Allah.

The central battle is this: the God of the King James Bible named Jehovah versus the &quot;God of Forces&quot; of the enemy named Yahweh.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('609', 'd92308ce99', '1612', '2 Kings
No changes in list.
*******
1 Chronicles reads;
2:3 Canaanitesse
15:18 Zechariah
17:11 establish
19:23 no such verse
24:10 eighth
26:18 And Parbar Westward ..a variant

*******
2 Chronicles reads;
24:20 Spirit
26:18 appertaineth
29:12 Amathai ..a variant
*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('610', '598940ae83', '', '[quote:598940ae83]19:23 no such verse [/quote:598940ae83]
1 Chronicles 29:23
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Leviticus 19:34 &quot;shall be as&quot; or &quot;shall be unto you as&quot;
Is it &quot;borne&quot; at that verse?
You say that Lev. 22:11 has &quot;born&quot;. Is that so?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('611', '46ac01d45b', '1612', 'Ezra reads;
3:5 offered the ...offered a
4:24 house of God,
6:4 be
*******
Nehemiah reads;
4:14 to the rest
13:25 plucke.. a variation
*******
Esther no changes from list.
*******
Job reads;
29:2 Oh
32:2 Then...then
35:11 the ..with [-] over the e...then..variation
*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('612', '225284b6fe', '1611', '[quote:225284b6fe=\"bibleprotector\"][quote:225284b6fe]19:23 no such verse [/quote:225284b6fe]
1 Chronicles 29:23
*******
but not ..and laid...and they laid
instead...it is 
in stead
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Leviticus 19:34 &quot;shall be as&quot; or &quot;shall be unto you as&quot;
Is it &quot;borne&quot; at that verse?
*******
shall be as

yes, it is borne
*******
You say that Lev. 22:11 has &quot;born&quot;. Is that so?[/quote:225284b6fe]
YES, born
*******
There are a few words here and there that are changed, but only sparsely and not wholesale across the board. This is why I decided to check every reference instead of just some.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('613', 'cf6754c22a', '1612', 'Psalms reads:
7:14 travaileth
97:8 Sihon ..a variation
119:65 O
139:7 flie  .. variation
143:flie ..variation
*******
Proverbs reads;
18:10 a strong
25:24 then...vs  than [not on list]
*******
Ecclesiates reads;
11:7 thing it is
12:14 every secret
*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('614', '0c3308472b', 'What is Biblical preaching?', '&quot;And they shall turn away [i:0c3308472b]their [/i:0c3308472b]ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.&quot; (2 Timothy 4:4).

Fables are made up stories. These can take the form of exaggerations. No true Bible preacher will &quot;preach&quot; fables from the pulpit. Truth is the ultimate standard, so spinning stories or stating deceptions will be completely avoided by preachers of truth.

The Pharisees were a group that saw great value in manipulating people for gain, so when they spoke they burdened people with their manipulations and false traditions. &quot;Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.&quot; (Matthew 23:28). &quot;Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.&quot; (Mark 7:13).The Pharisees of today deny godly tradition and truth, such as the King James Bible, yet burden people with false traditions, such as &quot;The oldest manuscripts are the best, so follow these readings in the contemporary modern versions.&quot; Such preachers are turning whole congregations from the truth.

Godly preachers turn people towards truth. &quot;Thy word [i:0c3308472b]is [/i:0c3308472b]true [i:0c3308472b]from [/i:0c3308472b]the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments [i:0c3308472b]endureth [/i:0c3308472b]for ever.&quot; (Psalm 119:160).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('615', '5bd3d58e94', '1612', 'Song of Solomon reads;
2:7 till he please
*******
Isaiah reads;
9:7 establish
10:26 rock of Oreb
30:11 Get you [1612 reads incorrect verse number 14.{10,14,12}]
30:17 an hill
40:13 Spirit
44:13 marketh it out with
59:21 thy seed
63:10 Spirit
*******
Jeremiah reads;
9:3 tongues
15:10 that
21:12 O
22:3 spoiled
22:23 travaile
31:8 travaileth
35:13 and the inhabitants
38:23 [1612 verse number is incorrect.reads#13 {22,13,24}]
40:31 from
50:29 hath done, do unto her
50:39 from
*******
Lamentations has no change from list.
*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('616', '72f4f6890e', '1612', 'Ezekiel reads;
6:8 that ye may have
14:18 daughters
18:24 from
19:7 their desolate
20:17 them
23:23 the Assyrians
24:7 poured it not
43:5 spirit
*******
Daniel reads;
3:25 Sonne
4:3 from
*******
Hosea reads;
6:5 hewed
*******
Joel has no changes from list.
*******
Amos reads;
4:3 ye
*******
Obadiah has no changes from list.
*******
Jonah has no changes from list.
*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('617', 'a12197cdc9', 'a correction', 'When you get to Malachi there is a reference to 2:2 , which should be 2:11
strange God	strange god');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('618', 'f9bb0685a1', '1612', 'Micah reads;
7:7 unto the
*******
Nahum has no changes from the list.
*******
Habakkuk reads;
3:3 One
*******
Zephaniah has no changes from the list.
*******
Haggai reads;
2:5 spirit
*******
Zechariah has no changes from the list.
*******
Malachi reads;
2:11 strange god [list says 2:2]
*******
OT complete!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('619', 'b481737901', 'spirit/Spirit', 'There are quite a few instances of changes in case on the word &quot;spirit&quot; already in the early years, which shows that this area has been an issue throughout the history of the KJB, and was much corrected early, such as in the 1629 Edition.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('620', '21f26efeb2', 'The Prosperous Church', 'The Doctrinal Statement of Victory Faith Centre states: &quot;Christians are to be tithers (i.e. apportioning 10% of gross income into the work of the Lord ...)&quot;.

There are many today that say tithing is done away with and is not required of Christians in the New Testament. However, this approach is severely flawed and acts decisively against prosperity in the life of the Christian and the Church itself. Currently, there is much explaining away of prosperity blessing and this includes the area of tithing. Tithing has the particular blessings of opening the windows of Heaven and causing the Lord to rebuke the devourer in the tither\'s life.

&quot;Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that [i:21f26efeb2]there shall [/i:21f26efeb2]not [i:21f26efeb2]be room [/i:21f26efeb2]enough [i:21f26efeb2]to receive it[/i:21f26efeb2]. And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.&quot; (Malachi 3:10,11).

Prior to the Mosaic law, Abraham tithed. &quot;And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.&quot; (Genesis 14:20). Similarly, Jacob vowed to the Lord: &quot;And this stone, which I have set [i:21f26efeb2]for [/i:21f26efeb2]a pillar, shall be God\'s house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.&quot; (Genesis 28:22).

God also brings tithing into New Testament times when He says: &quot;And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.&quot; (Hebrews 7:8).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('621', 'd843b9852c', '1612', 'Yes,I agree. Plus they were quite conscientous in correcting typos that would have double words as well.
that that   as an example, when it should only read that.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('622', 'b679c3d305', '1612', 'Matthew reads;
4:25 great
8:25 awoke him
16:25 loose his life
26:34 night
*******
Mark reads;
14:67 warming
*******
Luke reads;
4:1 Spirit
13:12 thine infirmitie
15:2 murmured
*******
John reads;
8:33 Abrahams [yet no \']
15:4 And I in you
*******
Acts reads;
11:12 bade
21:16 with whom
22:3 born
22:8 whom thou
*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('623', 'ef1a283fc6', '1612', 'Romans reads;
3:9 2nd then should be stipulated here.[1611]
6:12 therfore reigne
7:2 law of her husband
7:13 Was then that
8:2 Spirit
8:9 Spirit [2nd]
8:9 Spirit [3rd]
8:11 Spirit
8:11 Spirit [2nd]
8:14 Spirit
8:16 Spirit
8:29 among
16:25 the mystrie
*******
1 Corinthians reads;
7:2 belong
*******
2 Corinthians reads;
5:20 bee yee
11:26 mine own
*******
Galatians reads;
3:2 Spirit
4:6 Spirit
5:5 Spirit
5:16 Spirit
5:17 Spirit [2nd]
5:18 led
5:18 Spirit
5:22 Spirit
6:8 Spirit
6:8 Spirit [2nd]
*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('624', 'bc08d26d01', '1612', 'Ephesians reads;
4:24 the new man
5:9 Spirit
6:18 Spirit
*******
Philippians reads;
1:19 Spirit
2:15 among
4:3 intreat
*******
Col.,1&amp;2 Thess. no changes from list.
*******
1 Timothy reads;
6:11 flie - a variation of fly?
*******
2 Tim.,Tit.,Phm. no changes from list.
*******
Hebrews reads;
10:29 Spirit
10:36 that after
*******
James,1&amp;2 Peter no changes from list.
*******
1 John 4:2 Spirit [1st]
*******
2&amp;3 John,Jude no changes from list.
*******
Revelation reads;
2:11 Spirit
17:3 spirit
*******
New Testament complete.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('625', 'e29483e24d', '1611', 'At least 150 changes that agree with the Pure Cambridge edition.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('626', '3ebd515501', 'Reply:The attack on God\'s name &quot;JEHOVAH&quot;', 'Hi bibleprotector,

You wrote:

[quote:3ebd515501]The Jews and false Christians have attacked God\'s name JEHOVAH. [/quote:3ebd515501]

bibleprotector,

Certainly it is true, that Hebrew scholars have been criticizing the name Jehovah
[a.k.a. Iehouah or Iehovah] 
since before 1604 A.D. 

and

Certainly since the early 1900\'s, 
the Roman Catholic Church has been criticizing the name Jehovah.

and

Certainly the editors of the New Catholic Encyclopedia of 1967 
have written that:
judging by the Greek transcriptions of the early Church Fathers,
the original pronunciation of God\'s name was [i:3ebd515501]probably[/i:3ebd515501] &quot;Yahweh&quot;.

It is sort of obvious that in 2008 A.D. 
professing Christians disagree with professing Christians,
concerning the names Jehovah and Yahweh.

Hopefully, 
while this disagreement between breathen continues,
both sides will continue to obey Luke 6:35-36,
which in the King James Bible reads:

[quote:3ebd515501]35	But love ye your enemies, and do good, 
and lend, hoping for nothing again; 
and your reward shall be great, 
and ye shall be the children of the Highest:

[u:3ebd515501][b:3ebd515501]for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.[/b:3ebd515501][/u:3ebd515501]

36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.[/quote:3ebd515501]

Seeker02421');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('627', '3baeb52d32', 'The Prosperous Church', 'God can bless with a hundredfold return when people are obedient to Him and sow as He directs. Putting the principles of faithfulness and looking to the needs of others can lead to great blessings in our lives too.

&quot;Then Isaac sowed in that land, and received in the same year an hundredfold: and the LORD blessed him.&quot; (Genesis 26:12)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('628', '0229cb89b9', 'pow right back', 'Nice try there seeker.
The evidence is 100% towards Jehovah.
So Jehovah it is.
There was no English in the Early Church,so your yaweh ploy is a ruse.
Had there been,it would have been Jehovah.
For the true Christian, is has always been Jehovah.

Four consonants,not three.
Pretty basic.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('629', 'b2dd85a982', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'The US General Council of the Assemblies of God 2008 in its article &quot;[url=http://www.ag.org/top/Beliefs/sptlissues_bible_translations.cfm]Does the Assemblies of God accept more than one Bible translation?[/url]&quot; admits that there has been a departure from the common usage of the King James Bible in their church. &quot;Admiration and use of the Authorized Version, popularly known as the King James Version (KJV), was quite uniform until the flurry of new English-language translations began appearing in the 1940s.&quot; and &quot;For a time, many felt that clinging to the King James Version, rather than using the newer translations, was essential to our faith.&quot; Note the words &quot;[b:b2dd85a982]essential to our faith[/b:b2dd85a982]&quot;, so it begs the question as to what happened!?

Clearly, there has been a forsaking of the godly tradition of using the King James Bible and the acceptance of a modernist tradition of using modern versions. This is a road to apostasy. &quot;Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.&quot; (2 Thessalonians 3:6). It is time for Traditional Pentecostalists to withdraw from any compromise with modern version usage and continue in the received tradition of using the King James Bible in all areas of the Church.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('630', 'a93b603c0a', 'Jehovah', '[quote:a93b603c0a]For the true Christian, is has always been Jehovah.[/quote:a93b603c0a]
Amen. And always will be.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('631', '4ea85378a2', 'Excellent', 'Thanks Peter. Excellent work.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('632', '7c93513fba', 'Divine health and healing: Is it supported by the Bible?', 'God\'s way is for people in the Church to seek the help and support of each other if they need healing. By obedience to the Word of God people can obtain healing through the prayer of faith. James instructs:

&quot;Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess [i:7c93513fba]your [/i:7c93513fba]faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.&quot; (James 5:14 - 16).

It\'s essential to believe the Word of God and what it says about God\'s will to heal if you are going to receive healing. You can start with the small things in your body and by faithfully believing and regularly reading and confessing the Scriptures you can build up your faith to target bigger things.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('633', '838d7896c1', '1612', 'Thank you Pastor Craig.
I absolutely love doing this type of work.
I have several sheets from older Bibles that are before 1638, as well.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('634', '8f8c8601fa', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'In the Australian Assemblies of God use of the King James Bible persisted strongly until the early 1980s. By this stage the lie of the imperfection of the King James Bible was well propagated, and when the New King James Version came along, this was quickly accepted. This widespread step led to the New International Version becoming common in the 1990s.

In 1984, Barry Chant, an Australian Pentecostal historian, wrote, “because of this total commitment to Scripture, many Pentecostals continue to use the Authorized Version of the Bible. There used to be a general, unspoken belief that this version was somehow more spiritual than the others and that most modern versions departed from the original Word of God to a greater or lesser degree.”

Those many Pentecostals are now a faithful few. (The Bible College which Barry Chant founded itself has not held onto the King James Bible.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('635', 'cb2907783e', '', 'The Protestant Gospel of the King James Bible is true.

Judaism differs to this.

As does Romanism.

As do many professing &quot;Christians&quot;.

Therefore, the statement &quot;while this disagreement between brethren continues&quot; is entirely false, because brethren would at least tend to agree with the King James Bible, and certainly be of the Protestant fold.

Obviously, most would not be obeying Luke 6:35-36 from the King James Bible, since they in some measure disagree with the Bible itself.

And a more appropriate verse to understand is Matthew 10:34, &quot;Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.&quot; The King James Bible is the sword of the Spirit which has been sent by Christ to be wielded by the true Church. It is a sword that will refute wrong ideas and promote truth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('636', '2dace9125b', 'God\'s name is JEHOVAH', 'Anything other than agreeing that God\'s name is Jehovah because the Bible says it is an attack.

&quot;He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.&quot; (Matthew 12:30).

Notice how absolute and clear the division is. Jesus is absolute. And this type of certainty must be found in the issue of God\'s name: there is no &quot;probably&quot; this or that about it.

The spirit of truth would confirm truth: by which I mean that there has to be a definite statement, God\'s name is ________. See Proverbs 30:4.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('637', '53570a5081', '1612', '[quote:53570a5081]1 Timothy reads; 
6:11 flie - a variation of fly? [/quote:53570a5081]

This &quot;fly&quot; was changed to &quot;flee&quot; in 1613.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('638', '44da5bf7bf', 'Reply: The attack on the name &quot;JEHOVAH&quot;', 'Hi bibleprotector,

[quote:44da5bf7bf]You wrote:
Obviously, most would not be obeying Luke 6:35-36 from the King James Bible, 
since they in some measure disagree with the Bible itself. [/quote:44da5bf7bf]

bibleprotector,

Pastors in Greater Grace World Outreach [GGWO] in Baltimore, Maryland, 
who use the King James Bible in the pulpit,
acknowledge upfront that they in some measure disagree with the King James Bible itself.

These Pastors  specifically teach from the pulpit 
that they believe that the King James Bible is in error where it teaches that God\'s name is &quot;JEHOVAH&quot;

These Pastors  dogmatically teach that God\'s name is &quot;Yahweh&quot;.

However,
Let us examine again Luke 6:35-36 as it is found in the King James Bible:

[quote:44da5bf7bf]35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, 
and lend, hoping for nothing again; 
and your reward shall be great, 
and ye shall be the children of the Highest: 

[u:44da5bf7bf][b:44da5bf7bf]for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. [/b:44da5bf7bf][/u:44da5bf7bf]

36 [u:44da5bf7bf][b:44da5bf7bf][color=red:44da5bf7bf]Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful[/color:44da5bf7bf][/b:44da5bf7bf][/u:44da5bf7bf].[/quote:44da5bf7bf]

bibleprotector,

We know for a fact that JEHOVAH &quot;is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.&quot;

Do you think that JEHOVAH is very much involved in what you refer to as:
&quot;The attack on the name JEHOVAH&quot;

What might JEHOVAH\'S attitude be toward professing Christians,
who have been taught that the name JEHOVAH is not God\'s actual name,
and who have also been taught that God\'s name is &quot;probably&quot; Yahweh.

Seeker02421');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('639', '31082805f9', 'Other AV Sheets', 'I just went through all of my sheets and found out that I have 25 that are AV.
 Also, I have four that are Geneva, plus one Tyndale sheet.

1612-Ezekiel 37:16-39:11a

1613-Leviticus 4:5-6:9

1613-Deuteronomy 30:9b-32:22a

1613-1 Timothy 1:5-5:3

1616-Ezra 8:33b- Nehemiah 1:6a

1616-Job 39:7-42:17

1616-Jeremiah 51:57b-Lamentations 1:19

1630-Deuteronomy 32:26-Judges 1:15a [10 sheets]

1637-2 Kings 24:13b-1 Chronicles 1:42a [Cambridge]

1638-Numbers 35:7b-Deuteronomy 1:13 [Cambridge]

1638-2 Kings 9:8b-10:33a [Cambridge]

1638-Ezra 1:1-68a

1638-Luke 8:47b-9:62

1650-Judges 20:11b-21:21a

1660-Leviticus 13:20b-13:59 [Cambridge]

1660-Deuteronomy 13:6b-15:1 [Cambridge]

1660-Title Page-Facsimile-Large photocopy');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('640', 'cb7c5240dd', '', 'We are all aware that people can be in error or make mistakes in doctrines even when they use the King James Bible.

However, if the errors are confronted or mistakes exposed, the attitude of believers should be to align to the truth, not stubbornness, pride or holding on to error (gross deception).

[quote:cb7c5240dd]JEHOVAH &quot;is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.&quot; [/quote:cb7c5240dd]

Mercy is not infinite to the rebellious, and God is not going to save everyone, because some people have rejected Him.

I. Babylon, false religions and so on have already been judged. The manifestations of this judgment are continuous. e.g. see John 16:11, Daniel 7:10

II. According to prophecy God is going to deal with specific enemies such as Gog and Magog a particular way, therefore there is no escape for them inasmuch as what is prophesied shall happen (i.e. we must assume that Gog will not repent).

III. That God is not suffering misuse of His name throughout history, but is making it plain, e.g. references in Ezekiel 39, &quot;And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali.&quot; (Hosea 2:16).

[quote:cb7c5240dd]Do you think that JEHOVAH is very much involved in what you refer to as: &quot;The attack on the name JEHOVAH&quot;[/quote:cb7c5240dd]

No, it is the work of enemies to attack God\'s name, though God has sent the famine of hearing and allowed such antichrist things to occur, He is not the actual mover of such things.

[quote:cb7c5240dd]What might JEHOVAH\'S attitude be toward professing Christians, 
who have been taught that the name JEHOVAH is not God\'s actual name, 
and who have also been taught that God\'s name is &quot;probably&quot; Yahweh.[/quote:cb7c5240dd]

Send them knowledge of the truth knowing that various will reject it, but some should hear; and also sending times of refreshing for the true Church so that the true message is powerful and is able to convince many.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('641', '2f4a9371f9', 'Important answers to accusations', 'Q. Is the Pure Cambridge Edition the only edition of the KJB whereby a person can be saved?

A. No.

Q. Is the Victory Faith Centre Church the only guardians of the PCE or KJB?

A. No.

Q. Is the Pure Cambridge Edition a Pentecostal-only work?

A. No.

Q. Is the Pure Cambridge Edition the only &quot;pure&quot; Bible?

A. No; purity of Scripture can be ascribed to any good Bible, and purity of text and translation is evident in any proper historical edition of the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('642', 'd7fb102447', 'Mauritania Obviously Muslim', 'Satan uses the Holy Bible as well.
Using the Holy Bible does not mean that you are the ultimate authority.
*******
Being a pastor does not mean that one is a Christian.
Many a pastor will eternally roast in hellfire for eternity for their pride,unbelief,and selfishness.
*******
Disagreeing with the pure Holy Bible is humanistic,and close to ultimate heresy.
*******
Teaching that the pure Holy Bible is in error,shows them to be the final judge.
This is not right,because the word is the final standard. Only the pure word of God, and never man\'s selfish hatredness of ultimate authority of God and his pure word.
*******
Being dogmatic is on all spectrums of life, but there is only one truth.
That must be God and his pure word. Not Allah and moon worship.
*******
God is a jealous God and will not give his glory to another. Yahweh is a ruse for the deceived.
*******
Man can only love God to the light they have.
So if some Christian that is deceived into believing that Yahweh is God, and never new of his real name, Jehovah, then that Christian would receive grace from God, for he or she NEVER knew.
*******
But who knows only Yahweh? None.
So this is a ruse for the poster and not a real question whatsoever.
*******
Human wisdom is Tomfoolery with God.Just believe his word about your heart is the real crux of the matter.
*******
So, do you love the LORD Jesus Christ with all of your heart? Do you receive him as your Savior?
By what you have posted,causes reason for concern and prayer.
*******
Jesus is real, and is the creator, but  Allah is pure idealistic conjecture and imagination of a selfish man that got sold out to the Catholics.
Millions of are full of hatred because of this humanistic, satanic religion.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('643', '786fefc5b9', 'False accusations', 'Yes, I noticed the very foolish posts by a certain fellow on Brandon Stagg\'s forum. This fellow makes several false accusations against the Bible Protector ministry.

Don\'t people understand that there are severe consequences to false accusations? &quot;[i:786fefc5b9]He that [/i:786fefc5b9]speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.&quot; (Proverbs 12:17). &quot;A false witness shall not be unpunished, and [i:786fefc5b9]he that [/i:786fefc5b9]speaketh lies shall not escape.&quot; (Proverbs 19:5).

To Brandon\'s credit he asks the false accuser to provide evidence or retract his statement.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('644', '05a9ea45f1', 'Re: James Price', 'Hi Folks,

[quote:05a9ea45f1=\"bibleprotector\"]James D. Price ... He even gives “a few examples of where the KJV departs from the Hebrew Textus Receptus of the Old Testament and follows the LXX against all other authorities”. ... many of the examples he gives are found in the Vulgate, and he is proving nothing except that the King James Bible translators were worthy scholars who checked multiple sources for weighing the validity of any reading. [/quote:05a9ea45f1] 
Interesting discussion.  From my experience I would be very slow to accept any such analysis from James Price without doing your own very careful checking. 

From the list I took his first example, 2 Chronicles 17:4, almost surely his strongest possible example of \'emendation\' with only Greek authority. In the translational examples often you will find disagreement among Hebrew scholars, and such essentially negates his claim, and James Price has given us no indication of checking minority Hebrew readings or the grammatical commentaries and other resources before pontificating about 

&quot;all other authorities&quot;.

In fact, James Price is a very poor &quot;authority&quot; about &quot;all other authorities&quot;.

Time permitting I can share a good example of his skewed and deficient scholarship on these types of issues from earlier research.  However right now I would like to discuss a case which at least is clear in the sense that the Tetragram is either there or not. 

2 Chronicles 17:4 
But sought to the LORD God of his father, 
and walked in his commandments, 
and not after the doings of Israel

Now it is true that the Masoretic Text is generally given here without LORD, however  that does not tell us if there is a minority reading in the Hebrew MSS, nor what was available in 1611 Hebrew MSS.  

However Wycliffe (1300\'s) the Bishops Bible and the Geneva (1500\'s) afaik none of which were based on the Greek, all translated here with the Tetragram.  Wycliffe was from the Latin, usually said to be from the Vulgate (Price probably only checked the Douay-Rheims or a modern Latin text).  While the other English Reformation Bibles would normally be from Hebrew.  (I would like to check particularly about Hebrew MSS available to the Geneva Bible translators.)

Why would only one Greek variance out of thousands be pulled out without &quot;other authorities&quot; in all these editions ?  The Greek texts simply has little weight, other than as one of a few external sources for difficult Hebrew words.  And it is quite possible that the other authorities (we have r the Latin--&gt;English translation of Wycliffe, the Peshitta Aramaic text and other English Bibles from Hebrew MSS) included minority Hebrew.  As in Psalm 22:16, &quot;pierced my hands and my feet&quot; a minority Hebrew reading that Price endorses.  Psalm 22:16\'s &quot;pierced..&quot;  also has external complementary authentication,  as even indicated by Emanuel Tov.  As Matthew indicates, the King James Bible translators were world-class scholars, and they utilized sources that James Price can\'t even find today even though it would only take five minutes of computer looking !!  Quick to accuse, slow to research. 

As mentioned, the Peshitta Aramaic text also has the Tetragram here, adding another authority.  You can see the Lamsa translation and I have confirmed that he was properly representing the Peshitta Aramaic text on this verse.  (Note also the extra phrase &quot;and kept his statues&quot;.)

Lamsa Peshitta
http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&amp;query=2+CHronicles+17%3A4&amp;section=0&amp;translation=pes&amp;oq=&amp;sr=1
But he prayed to the LORD God of his father 
and walked in his commandments and kept his statutes,
and did not do according to the ways of Israel.

The Brenton Greek is here.
http://www.katapi.org.uk/katapiNSBunix/Lxx/LxxByBC.php?GB=14&amp;GC=17
but he sought to the Lord God of his father, and walked in the commandments of his father, and not according to the works of Israel.

And the Wycliffe here.
http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&amp;query=2+Chronicles+17:4&amp;section=0&amp;translation=wyc&amp;oq=2%20Chronicles%2017:4&amp;new=1&amp;sr=1&amp;nb=mt&amp;ng=17&amp;ncc=17
but in the Lord God of Dauid, his fadir, and he yede in the comaundementis of God, and not bi the synnes of Israel.

Geneva (1560) and other later editions (Lord == Lorde)
http://www.thedcl.org/bible/gb/gb-2chron.pdf
but sought the Lord God of his father, and walked in his commandments and not after the trade of Israel 

http://www.logosresourcepages.org/idx_geneva.htm
The Geneva Bible was the first English version to be translated entirely from the original languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. 

Quite interestingly, the Coverdale Bible, which preceded the Geneva, apparently omitted the Tetragram here. 

As for the Targum I do not know yet.  

And the Peshitta Tanach is considered to be a translation from the Hebrew from about 100 AD.  The Latin was translated from the Hebrew about 400 AD. The Peshitta NT text was printed in 1555, so it  is sensible that the King James Bible translators would have had either a printed or MSS copy available of the OT.  Another very significant authority.  Both the Vulgate (indicated by Wycliffe) and the Aramaic would be authorities of much greater significance than the Greek.

Another authority to check would be the polyglot editions of the 16th century, including the Complutensian (1520) and the Antwerp (1570) Heidelberg (1586) Hamburg (1596) and Nuremburg (1599).  These would give insight to the Hebrew, Latin, Syriac and Greek texts of the day.

However I tend to doubt that James Price checked deeply the other translations and texts and authorities, from his sparse writing it seems only the minimal cursory checking of a Greek OT (Brenton) and a modern Vulgate, along with the Ben Hayim text. 

And if Price did know about the Peshitta from Aramaic, the Wycliffe from Latin, the Bishops and the Geneva translated generally from Hebrew; then he was being deceptive in his comment in the paper. 

Be very careful with every claim of James Price.  Matthew has ably disasembled his grammatical nonsense, however even this last section of supposed Greek-only dependencies on a few words in the OT is dubious. 

Every time I research I see that the King James Bible was translated by most excellent scholarship, and as for the &quot;correctors&quot; of today, they should seek to attain a similar level of excellence 

Shalom,
Steven Avery');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('645', '8ff2fa7f35', 'comments', 'I would also suggest that in fact every &quot;disputed&quot; reading for the New Testament was actually found in some Greek source. And likewise for the Old Testament. Although the translators considered various sources, it would have been necessary to have the reading in the original language, even in minority.

Laying aside this, we find that the so-called analysis of the King James Bible language itself is extremely poor. How often are things like “bowels” called “nonsense”, when a few minutes of research (e.g. looking up a good dictionary) would uncover a wealth of information on the subject.

Although there are some folks who are less than honest with the King James Bible, those folk who have a bee in their bonnet against it tend to be constantly deceptive.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('646', '47f943692f', 'Reply: Mauritania Obviously Muslim', 'Hi PeterAV

I am replying to your post:Mauritania Obviously Muslim

Your post seemed to help me to somewhat understand the logos that bibleprotector created for me, 
that seems to show a sideways National Flag of the Islamic Republic of Mauritania

[quote:47f943692f]Mauritania

Formal Name:
Islamic Republic of Mauritania

Local Name:
Mauritanie

Local Formal Name:
Al Jumhuri[u:47f943692f][b:47f943692f]yah[/b:47f943692f][/u:47f943692f] al Islami[u:47f943692f][b:47f943692f]yah[/b:47f943692f][/u:47f943692f] al Muritani[u:47f943692f][b:47f943692f]yah[/b:47f943692f][/u:47f943692f][/quote:47f943692f]

PeterAV

Have you discovered any evidence that the Islamic Republic of Mauritania honors Yahweh?

Have you discovered any evidence that there are Muslim nations that honor Yahweh.
_____________________________________________________________________________________

PeterAV,

You wrote:
[quote:47f943692f]Man can only love God to the light they have. 
So if some Christian that is deceived into believing that Yahweh is God, 
and never new of his real name, Jehovah, 
then that Christian would receive grace from God, for he or she NEVER knew. [/quote:47f943692f]

Then you said:

[quote:47f943692f]So, do you love the LORD Jesus Christ with all of your heart? 
Do you receive him as your Savior? 
By what you have posted,causes reason for concern and prayer. 
[color=blue:47f943692f]YOUR ORIGINAL POST SAID:[/color:47f943692f]
[color=red:47f943692f]By what you have posted, not one iota.[/color:47f943692f][/quote:47f943692f]

I invited Jesus Christ into my life in front of two witnesses,
in Norfolk, Virginia USA in January of 1973. 

Seeker02421

P.S.

Peter AV,

Can every member edit their original posts,
and after doing so,
there is no evidence that the post has been edited?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('649', '10c4469165', '', 'There is a Imperial-Islamic bloc, which through the various historical stands, chiefly backed by Romanism, and in its culminating form, reject &quot;Jehovah&quot; (at least generally, if not specifically).

Rather interestingly, we find Roman Catholic links:
1. That Islam\'s founder was backed by it.
2. That Eastern Orthodoxy has now very strongly linked with it.
3. That special consideration has been had of the Vatican toward Russia.

While people may disavow one or various beliefs, any Protestant person making a choice against &quot;Jehovah&quot; must understand that there are those who are against the name of &quot;Jehovah&quot; who are listed above.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('650', '25da23c394', '', 'According to Ezekiel 38:6, many people (of various origins) are to join up with the hosts who are to march upon the Middle East etc. Those many people I think will include people who profess the name of Christ, yet are either deceived and deluded, or are willingly ignorant and deceptive.

I certainly would want any person, even if they were of the enemy, to be convinced of the truth.

If a person is willing to disavow themselves of this great error, I would that they would fully go forward into the truth. Not say, “I disagree with Islam”, but then remain “Catholic”. I would that Catholics and those Protestants who are really Catholics were converted to the truth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('651', '09f77a1565', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'Biblical preaching has clear elements of both warning and teaching. &quot; To whom God would make known what [i:09f77a1565]is [/i:09f77a1565]the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus&quot; (Colossians 1:27,28).

This warning and teaching is for the purpose of presenting people perfect to God. In other words, there is a perfecting work within the hearts of all who hear the Biblical preaching in a believing way. Those who resist the warnings or despise the teaching will find themselves in a dangerous spiritual position. &quot;Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded.&quot; (Proverbs 13:13).

&quot;Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof [i:09f77a1565]is [/i:09f77a1565]brutish.&quot; (Proverbs 12:1). Loving instruction is the way to increasing in the knowledge of God. This requires a decision on the part of the hearer to heed what is preached and taught. If a person is truly receiving the instruction given, then action will be the result. &quot;But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.&quot; (James 1:22).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('652', '22e09fd441', 'The attack on the vowel points of God\'s name(\'s) in the M.T.', 'The attack on the vowel points of God\'s TWO Hebrew names, 
as they are preserved in the Ben Chayyim Hebrew text of 1525 A.D.
occurred  before the King James Bible was ever published.

Not one Hebrew spelling of the Tetragrannaton,
but two Hebrew spellings of the Tetragrammaton 
were preserved in the Ben Chayyim Hebrew Text of 1525 A.D.
[which underlies the Old Testament of the King James Bible]. 

Both Hebrew spellings of God\'s name were attacked in 1604 by John Drusius,
who wrote that neither of the  Hebrew spellings of God\'s name,
preserved in the Ben Chayyim Hebrew text 
accurately represented the true spelling of God\'s name.

Thus in effect the attack on the Hebrew names &quot;Yehovah&quot; and &quot;Yehovih&quot;,
are actually an attack on the accuracy of the Ben Chayyim Hebrew Text of 1525 A.D.

Hebrew scholars do not believe that the vowel points of either of God\'s two Hebrew names,
as preserved in the Ben Chayyim Hebrew Text,
accurately represent the the true Hebrew spelling of God\'s name.

The Jewish people seem to agree with the scholars 
who question the accuracy of the two Hebrew spellings of the Tetragrammaton 
as found in the Ben Chayyim Hebrew Text of 1525 A.D.
__________________________________________________________

[url]http://www.lamblion.net/Articles/ScottJones/jehovah1.htm[/url]

At the link above Scott Jones not only defends the Hebrew vowel points found in (Y)Jehovah,
but he also presents evidence that indicates that Hebrew theophoric names prefixed with &quot;JEHO&quot; 
were derived from &quot;Jehovah&quot;.

Seeker02421

P.S. 
Some scholarly sources 
that teach that the original pronunciation of God\'s name was [i:22e09fd441]&quot;probably&quot; [/i:22e09fd441]Yahweh,
claim that Hebrew theophoric names starting with &quot;(Y)Jeho&quot; CAN be derived from &quot;Yahweh&quot;.

They also teach that Hebrew theophoric names with &quot;Yah&quot; or &quot;Yahu&quot; suffixes 
can be easily explained if God\'s name was actually &quot;Yahweh&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('653', 'c955701ca2', 'The attack on the jots and tittles of Scripture', 'Any attack on any jot or tittle in the King James Bible is an attack on the Word of God, and substituting or allowing for the substituting of the letter &quot;J&quot; of Jehovah with any other letter IS AN ATTACK.

The essence of the attack here is not in the Hebrew, but in the English. The recourse to the Hebrew is just to take the fight off our ground, where we reign supreme, and to put it onto the ground of the would-be-Hermiticists. Long ago did God\'s Word pass fully and utterly into English, and such journeys into the &quot;Hebrew Mysteries&quot; are but vain fancies.

What Bomberg printed in 1525 is but an intermediately vehicle. What we have is the last end of the matter. It is not the issue as to whether Bomberg\'s printings were textually accurate: we must accept the truth that no extant Hebrew edition is flawless.

Thank God that in His providence He had the translators of 1611 improve upon the labours of them that came before, in their sound judgment of discerning out of the various witnesses the final gathered form of one text, which they set forth in the King James Bible.

It is of course completely obvious that the prefix &quot;Je&quot;, or &quot;Jeho&quot;, on names in the King James Bible is because the name of God is JEHOVAH.

And whether other folk attempt to explain the validity of their &quot;Y&quot; consonant, their &quot;W&quot; consonant, let alone the wrong vowel soundings (based on the entirely false hypothesis that the true believers would sound the word &quot;Jehovah&quot; with the vowels from a different name for God, because they were affraid of speaking His name?!?!).

Finally, to mention that it can be claimed this or that is but the cloak of neutrality covering the inner heart of unbelief. True Bible study is not merely parroting what Bonheoffer or Barth or some other such person said. What people should do is believe that the Word is true, and heed those who actually believe and know the Scripture.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('660', 'f1bb3c1591', 'Hearing God', 'Hearing God involves an awareness that there is opposition. The devil wants people to listen to him and to doubt God, and he uses the same tactic of deception as he did in the Garden of Eden. He will try to deceive and distract people so they don\'t give the necessary attention to the Word.

God has given His Word for us to hear and attend to, and the devil\'s aim is to steal the Word out of people\'s hearts.

&quot;And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; And when he sowed, some [i:f1bb3c1591]seeds [/i:f1bb3c1591]fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up...&quot; (Matthew 13:3, 4).

The seed is the Word of God and the devil is ready to steal it away to prevent a harvest of faith. Hearing the Word of God includes guarding it in our hearts and applying it consistently to our needs and circumstances.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('656', 'a9034c6dbc', 'No More AV? Then Come Out of Them.', 'Here is a sobering quote for myself.
*******
[quote:a9034c6dbc]
The US General Council of the Assemblies of God 2008 in its article &quot;Does the Assemblies of God accept more than one Bible translation?&quot; admits that there has been a departure from the common usage of the King James Bible in their church. &quot;Admiration and use of the Authorized Version, popularly known as the King James Version (KJV), was quite uniform until the flurry of new English-language translations began appearing in the 1940s.&quot; and &quot;For a time, many felt that clinging to the King James Version, rather than using the newer translations, was essential to our faith.&quot; Note the words &quot;essential to our faith&quot;, so it begs the question as to what happened!?

Clearly, there has been a forsaking of the godly tradition of using the King James Bible and the acceptance of a modernist tradition of using modern versions. This is a road to apostasy. &quot;Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.&quot; (2 Thessalonians 3:6). It is time for Traditional Pentecostalists to withdraw from any compromise with modern version usage and continue in the received tradition of using the King James Bible in all areas of the Church.
_________________
Pastor Craig, VFC[/quote:a9034c6dbc]
*******

The Pentecostals here are in absolute compromise.
Some may use the King James Bible, but they also joke about it as well.
I was able to get one pastor to switch to the King James, but only for a time.
The Church I am in now do not use only the King James.
But there are many folk that do use a King James Bible, plus I was able to speak of this subject on a couple occasions.

If I was to leave, I would have no church to attend.
There was a Pentecostal church, that advertised KJB ONLY on their sign, it 
was very small and folded one month after my family started to attend.

I was very disappointed, to say the least.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('657', '5e334160a8', 'There needs to be Pentecostal KJB users', 'Better to have a small Church than no Church.

Better to have an open house with mismatching chairs than to not have any fellowship of believers at all.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('658', '0060c8bfda', 'FAQs (2007)', '[b:0060c8bfda]Where can proper printed Pure Cambridge Edition King James Bibles be obtained?[/b:0060c8bfda]

This ministry has made available budget style pure King James Bibles, which may be ordered through this site for a subsidised price.

[b:0060c8bfda]Is it “counterfeit” to have “inquire” instead of “enquire”? What about lowercase “spirit” in places?[/b:0060c8bfda]

Some King James Bible advocates have pointed out how recent King James Bibles have contained silent and unauthorised changes. Some call these “counterfeit” Bibles, especially where the spelling has been Americanised, and words “updated”.

The problem is that some King James Bible people, when comparing these altered King James Bibles, have used the Concord Cambridge Edition as their standard of comparison. This edition is close, but not identical with the Pure Cambridge Edition. The Concord Edition takes in readings from the Oxford Edition, and contains various types of errors, including omitting the word “and” from the phrase “and the Hivites” in Exodus 23:23, altering the word “Geba” in Ezra 2:26 to the impure “Gaba”, wrongly capitalising “spirit” in some places such as 1 John 5:8 and so on. Since it is known by those who have studied differences in the King James Bible editions that the Cambridge Edition is better than the Oxford, it would be incorrect to then take the Concord Cambridge, which has taken various Oxford Edition readings and spellings. The correct edition is the Pure Cambridge Edition, and when this is used to compare to modernised editions, the differences would be correctly assessed. As it is, the Concord Edition has followed the Oxford in spelling “enquire”, even though the Pure Cambridge Edition (and tradition) had “inquire”.

The King James Bible has traditionally, at various places referred to the “spirit of God” and so forth (see Genesis 6:3, Exodus 31:3; 35:31, Numbers 11:29; 24:2, Job 27:3, Psalm 51:11, Psalm 143:10, Isaiah 11:2, Isaiah 34:16, Joel 2:28, 29 and 1 Corinthians 2:12). Some think that when God or the Holy Ghost is referred to, that it should always be capital “Spirit”. However, there are reasons why the word is sometimes lowercase. Some have got into the error of “correcting” the King James Bible, such as at Acts 11:12, 28 and 1 John 5:8.

There is a correct pure edition, and variations away from it are impurities. It has doubtless been due to ignorance of differences between Cambridge printed Bibles that some have thought that the Concord Cambridge Edition was the correct King James Bible, since it is commonly said by scholars that the text of the Cambridge Edition is better or correct. The point is that the right Cambridge Edition has to be identified and used.

[b:0060c8bfda]Did the Septuagint have any effect on the making of the Pure Cambridge Edition circa 1900?[/b:0060c8bfda]

The Septuagint is an ancient translation of the Hebrew Bible into Greek, which took place in 275 B.C. It so happens that the man who edited the Pure Cambridge Edition, Henry Adeney Redpath (1848–1908), was an expert in the Septuagint, and edited a concordance of it around 1900.

In 1882, Dean Burgon said, as concerning proper “revision” of the King James Bible, “Then further, those who would interpret the New Testament Scriptures, are reminded that a thorough acquaintance with the Septuagintal Version of the Old Testament is one indispensable condition of success. And finally, the Revisionists of the future (if they desire that their labours should be crowned), will find it their wisdom to practise a severe self-denial; to confine themselves to the correction of ‘plain and clear errors;’ and in fact to ‘introduce into the Text as few alterations as possible.’”

Redpath matched up with Burgon’s requirements: he was an expert in the Septuagint and he only corrected true impurities in the King James Bible. At the beginning of Redpath’s Concordance to the Septuagint, he wrote of the many cases “in which the Masoretic Text differs from that translated in the Septuagint version, and far more others in which that version is a paraphrase rather than a translation.” In other words, he knew that the traditional Hebrew Masoretic text was superior, and that the Septuagint was only a help. This is the same view of the translators of the King James Bible in 1611, who also found the Septuagint helpful when they came across rare or seemingly uncertain (to the various Rabbi commentators) Hebrew words.

Rev. Redpath’s editorial work on the King James Bible, while would have been in line with his knowledge of the Septuagint and his other learning, was really concerned with restoring true 1611 readings, especially in the proper spelling of names. Redpath was against modernism, and made less than fifty changes in the Cambridge published King James Bible, which resulted in the Pure Cambridge Edition as is known today.

[b:0060c8bfda]How can we know that the Pure Cambridge Edition is right even in the small things when comparing it to other editions?[/b:0060c8bfda]

“For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:18).

“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.” (Deuteronomy 4:2). [Special note: Small capitals have been manually created in this verse.]

God’s Word must be correct right down to the punctuation mark. The example of the placing of the apostrophe on “wits” in Psalm 107:27 is a good example: “They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man, and are at their wits’ end.” Now the Oxford Edition has “wit’s”.

One wit is “wit”.

Two or more is “wits”.

If something belongs to a wit, then it is “wit’s”.

If something belongs to two or more wits, then it is the “wits’”.

In this verse, “they” are two or more; “men” are two or more; “their” are two or more — so it must be talking about wits not a wit, and it must belong to wits’ not one wit’s. This is showing that the Pure Cambridge Edition is right, but that the Oxford Edition cannot be the pure and perfect Word of God, because it has an impurity in it.

There are three areas of evidence to show that the Pure Cambridge Edition is the right edition:

1. Spiritual. This is because the Scripture shows that there must be a Word perfect Bible, and that it must be presented in a jot and tittle correct way. There are many Bible verses showing this.

2. Providential. That all things which have happened to make it as it is are actually the works of God, such as, why things happened at certain times, in certain places, by certain people and not others, etc.

3. Natural. Things like doing word comparisons, understanding the history, checking the meaning of words, and so on always show in the natural that the Pure Cambridge Edition is correct.

Thus, a person should say, “I have faith in the Scripture, so I receive the spiritual evidence.” They should say, “I see that God has brought the knowledge of this to me, and I do not believe that it is a coincidence that God has led me to find the word perfect Bible according to the providential evidence.” And they should say, “I can see by natural evidence that the Pure Cambridge Edition is correct in what I can understand, and so it must be correct in the places where I do not know or am not sure about, because when I look at other editions, I can see things which are definitely wrong, which I know have impurities or errors.”

[b:0060c8bfda]How is it that Cambridge knows nothing about the pure text or Redpath?[/b:0060c8bfda]

Cambridge know very little about their own text. This is not a recent phenomena, as David Norton, Cambridge King James Bible editor, has stated in his research, that this type of loss of textual history has happened at various times in the progress of the Cambridge Bible from after 1762. For example, the people at Cambridge did not know anything about their text around 1830, so they abandoned it in favour of substantially following the Oxford text based on the 1769 Edition.

Likewise, Norton himself states that the Pure Cambridge Edition was finished by 1931, but he does not know any more than that, in fact, he thinks it not worth the time and effort to find out any further. Norton also relates how the managing Bible editor wrote to him in 1994 saying that she knew very little of how the recent Concord Cambridge text was made, except that it was done in conjunction with someone at Oxford, and this was supposed to have taken place some time after the Second World War, that is, somewhere between 1945 and 1994. In fact, it must have taken place after the mid-1960s.

Norton revealingly calls the linage of the Cambridge text, “a received text.” What is most amazing in all this, is that there should be people who know about such things, and people alive who remember such things, and records being kept at Cambridge University Press which tell of such things. But the production people at Cambridge have confessed personally that they know almost nothing about such matters. The reason for this is actually because they have gone away from the standard, right into modern versions, and into the perverting of the King James Bible. (No matter how learned David Norton is, his modernising work in the recent New Cambridge Paragraph Bible is completely vain.)

As for H. A. Redpath’s role, while there is an absence of any actual historical statements about his work on the King James Bible, his name appears in Collins printed Pure Cambridge Editions with the pronunciation table. That is the same table and same text of Cambridge printed Bibles. This indicates that Redpath was responsible for making the Pure Cambridge Edition, especially because most of the differences between the Pure Cambridge Edition and the old Cambridge Edition are on words with the pronunciation symbols on them.

Although experts and King James Bible scholars have recognised that the Cambridge Edition is superior to the Oxford Edition, there has been only very little study done on it by them or by King James Bible only teachers. But this is a major area. And considering that the issue of King James Bible variations touches on the very accuracy of the Bible, it is a wonder that there has been so little research in the present or recent post-Scrivener state of the King James Bible. Clearly, it has required Holy Ghost given revelation for these things to be manifest in any detail. God has certainly used Victory Faith Centre in this regard, especially as there has been a melding together of the Puritan/Fundamentalist/King James Bible doctrine with the Traditional Pentecostal/Faith doctrine at Victory Faith Centre. Thus, the advance into revelation concerning a word perfect Bible.

Cambridge have gone against their own godly tradition and therefore have become greatly misguided in their understanding or keeping of the King James Bible. “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.” (Hosea 4:6).

What has God done? “But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are” (1 Corinthians 1:27, 28). God has called the Elders of Victory Faith Centre to be Guardians of the Pure Cambridge Edition.

[b:0060c8bfda]Are the pronunciation symbols changing the Word of God?[/b:0060c8bfda]

“For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:18).

The using of pronunciation symbols as introduced into the King James Bible by H. A. Redpath, and their often appearance in Pure Cambridge Edition Bibles, never changes a letter of the Scripture to another, much less a word or a meaning of a word. In every case, the letters are retained, though a line, macron or dot or some other mark may appear with the letters.

The Bible commends proper sounding of the letters:

“Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right.” (Judges 12:6a).

“So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly” (Ezra 8:8a).

[b:0060c8bfda]Where was the pure Word before 1900, and why was it not revealed until after 2000?[/b:0060c8bfda]

People could have faith at any time in history that they had the pure Word. In the time of the Apostles the Word was not gathered in one volume. The Word of God was in a scattered form until the Reformation. Then it was gathered. There are gathered editions of the Greek, gathered editions of the European Protestants and gathered editions in English. These were finalised in the King James Bible.

The King James Bible was the coming together in one volume of the book of the Word, but there were impurities so that the jot and tittle were not being represented as they should have been. Although people, such as the King James Bible believing movement, held that the King James Bible was correct, it was not until the revelation of the Pure Cambridge Edition from the year 2000 that such a historical linage of faith was vindicated. It was significant that the pure Word in its purified form, Redpath’s Cambridge revision, had been around for about a hundred years. The Pure Cambridge Edition view is actually the narrow form of the King James Bible doctrine. There are some people who claim to be supporters of the King James Bible, who either believe wrong things like that the translation was inspired in 1611 and that all editions are correct, or else, that the King James Bible is merely the best version, but not infallible as it is apparently impossible to translate 100% accurately into English. The Pure Cambridge Edition view is the only consistent faith view, unlike the two other major “factions” of the King James Bible adherents.

It is clear and evident that the pure view is consistent with the working of the Holy Ghost. He has caused both the appearance of the pure Word and the revelation of the pure Word. The Holy Ghost has made it go hand in hand. When the Bible had come to a certain form, when the Church had come to a certain point, when the English language had come to be global, when nations had come to certain places, when communication technology was at the right stage, when the harvest was prepared, right in conjunction with these, providentially, the Holy Ghost brought about the exact pure Word revelation. People may have believed they were handling and viewing the pure Word in the past, but it is on a “meat” level now, no longer “milk”.

We may be certain that we have it now, and that it is not for a future time, because all the promises of the Scripture are present tense. “NOW faith is...” (see Hebrews 11:1).

At all times in history since the inspiration the same Word as is in the PCE has been present, but never in one language together in one book with exact meanings as can be conveyed by God’s use of Biblical English in a global language.

It is clear that the two major “factions” of King James Bible supporters are both generally anti-Pentecostal. This alone would both disqualify them from the Holy Ghost’s use as to the pure Word and future developments, and would hinder them from learning the truth from Him, seeing they resist His knowledge.

Is the electronic text of the Pure Cambridge Edition an eighth purification or a revision of the Pure Cambridge Edition?

The same text which was made circa 1900 is that which appears in many substantially agreeing Bibles, printed by Cambridge and by Collins. This edition is different to all others in its particular spelling of the word “Geba” rather than “Gaba” at Ezra 2:26.

There are three classes of variations in presentations of the Pure Cambridge Edition. The first is the appearance of accidental typographical errors. The second is the agreement at a particular place or several places in one edition with the Oxford Edition (seen occasionally in Collins editions). The third class of differences are those variations within the Pure Cambridge Edition which appear in a certain proportion of presentations, and which have been settled by Guardians of the Pure Cambridge Edition at Victory Faith Centre.

The exact text of the Pure Cambridge Edition as presented by the Bible Protector and Victory Faith Centre was not a revision of the existing body of Pure Cambridge Edition presentations, but merely discerned the agreed and unified text from them. Although it was in line with purification, it was not a purification revision like as has occurred in the history of the King James Bible. No new matter was added, neither was anything taken away, but the consensus of the Pure Cambridge Edition was presented in one definitive text. Thus, the sure knowledge of the final, settled King James Bible text, needing no change and allowing no improvement.

[b:0060c8bfda]How was the electronic text of the Pure Cambridge Edition made?[/b:0060c8bfda]

The Pure Cambridge Edition electronic text was made by a lengthy process of comparing and merging electronic files containing the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible, and checking them against Cambridge and Collins printed Bibles to eliminate all errors.

[b:0060c8bfda]Where can printed copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition be obtained?[/b:0060c8bfda]

1. PCE Bibles are available through this website.

2. It may be possible that existing stocks of new PCE Bibles printed by HarperCollins in the Popular Size may be obtained from that publisher, Bible distributors and bookshops.

3. Second hand copies may be available in certain countries in churches, with older Christians and through second hand shops. In Australia, many Collins printed Bibles from the 1940s and 1950s conforming to the PCE may be found, as well as Cambridge printed Bibles from the same era.

For a quick check, look at whether Ezra 2:26 has the spelling “Geba”.

Use the checklist to ascertain whether the Bible is a Pure Cambridge Edition:

1. “or Sheba” not “and Sheba” in Joshua 19:2

2. “sin” not “sins” in 2 Chronicles 33:19

3. “Spirit of God” not “spirit of God” in Job 33:4

4. “whom ye” not “whom he” in Jeremiah 34:16

5. “Spirit of God” not “spirit of God” in Ezekiel 11:24

6. “flieth” not “fleeth” in Nahum 3:16

7. “Spirit” not “spirit” in Matthew 4:1

8. “further” not “farther” in Matthew 26:39

9. “bewrayeth” not “betrayeth” in Matthew 26:73

10. “Spirit” not “spirit” in Mark 1:12

11. “spirit” not “Spirit” in Acts 11:28

12. “spirit” not “Spirit” in 1 John 5:8');
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[color=red:faacdb3012]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:faacdb3012]

WELCOME! [i:faacdb3012]The Protector[/i:faacdb3012] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:faacdb3012][color=darkblue:faacdb3012]EDITORIAL[/color:faacdb3012][/size:faacdb3012]

The Bible shows us that the Gospel must be published throughout all nations, and the use of the internet as a public and quality way to do this must be utalised.

A King James Bible believer called “Brother Tim” said ([url]http://av1611.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104&amp;page=5[/url]),

[quote:faacdb3012]While some of us [King James Bible Baptists] might not agree completely with Matthew Vers[c]huur\'s purpose for his work, I haven\'t seen any that can factually show that his &quot;PCE&quot; is in error. While the &quot;PCE&quot; may be different than what some use (i.e. Oxford, 1769, etc), everyone seems to say &quot;well those differences don\'t matter&quot;, but no one has proven him wrong!

Is it possible that God has actually &quot;raised up&quot; this young man as He has so many others in the past, to &quot;stand in the gap&quot; in these last days?[/quote:faacdb3012]

As you can see, not everyone says that the differences in King James Bible editions don’t matter. Thankfully, people do see that we need to have the King James Bible properly presented, that is, without any impediments.

Did God say “he” or did God say “she”?

This is a serious question with a certain answer.

If differences between editions of the King James Bible do not matter, then we are illogical.

If differences do matter, and we select &quot;she&quot; over &quot;he&quot; because one in a typographical error, we have just entered the realm of judgment. It is not wrong to judge, though some falsely call it &quot;nit-picking&quot;. In fact, to discern soundly can only be done by examining the facts spiritually, and receiving from tradition that thing which the Spirit of God has distributed to His Church.

Therefore, I do not see how standing for the jots and tittles of the KJB is wrong. After all, the Church should be the sanctuary where the very words are guarded.

And it is not a new thing either, as Thomas Turton of Cambridge (1833) wrote, in “THE TEXT OF THE ENGLISH BIBLE AS NOW PRINTED BY THE UNIVERSITIES CONSIDERED WITH REFERENCE TO A REPORT BY A SUB-COMMITTEE OF DISSENTING MINISTERS”, saying:

“Let me take this opportunity to state, as my deliberate opinion, that the Text of 1611 is, in consequence of its incorrectness, quite unworthy to be considered as the Standard of the Bibles now printed; and to express my conscientious belief, that to revert to that Text, as the Standard, would be productive of serious evils.”

“For accuracy of printing, the Oxford edition of 1769, superintended by Dr Blayney, Regius Professor of Hebrew, at Oxford, is much esteemed.”

The issue is not whether a person has used a Bible with a printer\'s mistake or some impurities in it. The issue is whether, in the light of truth, people will see that it is better to agree together that there is one correct presentation of the King James Bible to be held as common. It is not owned by any person or any denomination.

[size=18:faacdb3012][color=darkblue:faacdb3012]NEWS[/color:faacdb3012][/size:faacdb3012]

Why not use modern versions? preached by Pastor Craig Savige on the 27th of September, 2005 at Victory Faith Centre. This sermon goes through important problems with modern versions. 
MP3 (4.08 MB), 35:39. 
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/27-9-05_CS_not_modern_versions.mp3[/url]

Are the italics in the King James Bible important? preached by Matthew Verschuur on the 16th of May, 2006 at Victory Faith Centre. This sermon reveals the reasons why italics are rightly used in the King James Bible. 
MP3 (3.57 MB), 31:10. 
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/16-5-06_MV_italics.mp3[/url]

Is the King James Bible the final Received Text? preached by Matthew Verschuur on the 19th of September, 2006 at Victory Faith Centre. This sermon highlights that there is one final form of the Scripture for the world in the last days. 
MP3 (4.04 MB), 35:23. 
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/19-9-06_MV_KJB_final.mp3[/url]

Is the King James Bible hard to understand? preached by Matthew Verschuur on the 26th of September, 2006 at Victory Faith Centre. This sermon shows that the King James Bible is hard to understand to some, but opened up to others. 
MP3 (4.69 MB), 41:00. 
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/26-9-06_MV_KJB_hard.mp3[/url]

[size=18:faacdb3012][color=darkblue:faacdb3012]DIRECTORY[/color:faacdb3012][/size:faacdb3012]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('662', '67edc8c44f', 'New Testament temple.', 'One thing we must remember is that the New Testament temple is not bricks and mortar. The New Testament temple is the Church of God and this is the temple that God recognises.

&quot;And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [i:67edc8c44f]them[/i:67edc8c44f]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.&quot; (2 Corinthians 6:16).

&quot;Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [i:67edc8c44f]stone[/i:67edc8c44f]; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.&quot; (Ephesians 2:19-22).

Now, when we come to 2 Thessalonians 2:3,4, we should recognise that this is talking of the New Testament temple, namely the Church, not any temple to be rebuilt in Jerusalem.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('663', 'f06484a2c0', 'Israel and the Church', 'Yes, agreed.
Just commenting on those that are not saved, how they are going back to the beggarly elements, yet again.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('664', 'e310414c00', 'The Jerusalem temple', 'Yes, we can also see that the Jews would want to propagate their own temple because they are of another religion.

&quot;For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews\' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it&quot; (Galatians 1:13).

Our desire is to see them now come into the pure religion - Christianity - and into the temple that God recognises today - the Church.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('665', 'caaa96adfc', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth.&quot; (Psalm 37:21).

One of the characteristics of the righteous is that they are givers. This giving comes from the heart and indeed shows the work of God in their lives. The mercy they have received, they give out again in many ways. The practical application of giving into the work of God, giving to the poor, giving to ministers etc is to increase the witness of God in this world.

Christians cannot be people of God in word only but also in action and part of this is that of giving. &quot;If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?&quot; (James 2:15,16).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('666', 'de32c06b3f', 'Bibles be printed soon', 'Guys,

I have paid for and have the PCE being printed up on Apr. 7th and maybe sooner. I will be getting them on the 10th or the 11th. I have placed 100% of the Bibles in local Christian book sores. I\'ll let you guys know how it goes and how fast they move. I hope they will move fast so I can get more printed very soon. I\'ll keep you up to date on this issue and let you know how it is going. 

Pray that all goes well and I can keep doing this over and over. If this plan works and I can get it big enough to be self supporting it will be a blessing from God. My goal for the time being is to print 250 1st run and 500 on the 2nd run and to keep building off of my money and the proceeds I obtain from Bible sales to print more. I hope this will get the snow ball rolling.

Sorry I have not been on the site. I have been making sales calls and working on getting the Bible made. I have also been attending Bible college and working my full time job. All of this can be very hard work. Being brand new in the biz and not being known hurts you in your sales. That being said God has blessed me and helped me close enough book stores to have 100% of the Bibles placed. I think after I have a few printings making the sale we be easier. It takes time to work out all of these issues. So pray for me and Buffalo Bible Publishing.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('667', 'f78a8f399e', '', 'Peter,

[quote:f78a8f399e]The Pentecostals here are in absolute compromise. [/quote:f78a8f399e]

I hate to hear that my brother. Many Baptist are going down the same road. It is sad to see many main liners falling by the wayside. We need to pray for our nations and our churches.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('668', '683f5c17a9', 'The Firmament', 'Guys,

Go and check this out. It is pretty cool. It is about 15 minutes long and well worth watching.

http://www.thefirmament.org/

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('669', '6db0460d5b', '', 'That site is &quot;is not affiliated with any religion or denomination whatsoever.&quot; (How can a person believe that God is the creator if they do not belong to a religion?)

Here is a Christian audio presentation:
MP3 (3.75 MB), 32:44.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/15-1-08_CS_firmament.mp3[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('676', '86c412ae22', 'Yeshua is False- Jesus is Truth', 'I completely agree that Yeshua is false for English.
I have listened to some of these Messianics and they are complete rookies at best.
It is a stupor that is similar to using the Greek to become &quot;knowledgeable and accepted&quot; that motivates these folk.
Of which many are simply not saved or extremely deceived.
It is so hard for an English speaking Messianic to exalt the name of Jesus in English.
But instead they revert to useless erroneous verbage that has no English Biblical backing.
Plus, if one is English, one expects to relate to others in English that ARE English speaking.
This Hebrew fakery is not doing anything but supporting the quagmire approach.= Many ways to heaven. False gods, and self as the final authority.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('677', '3589b4710d', 'Problems with the Spanish Bible', '[url]http://www.reinavaleragomez.com/en/index.html[/url]

While the Gomez Spanish Version is probably the best Spanish Bible that there now is, yet there are some serious problems involved with it.

1. It rejects the King James Bible is the final form of the received text.

They write, “First of all, the objective of the RVG project has not been to conform it to all the wording of the KJV.”

Textually and translationally it does not fully exactly, word-for-word, sense-for-sense match up to the King James Bible. 

2. It rejects that it is perfect. (Not that the Word of God is imperfect, but that the version-text and translation are, or at least might be, imperfect.)

Dr Waite says, “Dr. Gomez knows that there might be places in his translation where further correction is needed, and he is humble enough and honest enough to welcome suggestions in this regard from whatever quarters. When such suggestions are received, I am certain that Dr. Gomez will weigh them carefully, and if he feels they have merit, he will make the changes in his next printing.”

Dr Gomez himself wrote, “But here it is for you to read and examine; if you can find anything in it, that is not Textus Receptus, or if you can find anything that is not written in a good and perfect Spanish, we will immediately correct it, for the good of our people and for the glory of the Lord. If any of you come up with a revision that proves to be better than ours, more perfect, more accurate, we will move aside and rally around it because this issue is not about me, or you.”

And again, “In our opinion, our Bible is perfect and ready to be preached from. However, we have an open heart and mind: If a godly person has an opinion regarding the text or grammar, we will take it into serious consideration because we want the best for our people.&quot;

3. It has the wrong standard for perfection. Version-text perfection is not found in any extant edition of the Textus Receptus. Translational perfection is not found in any Bible but the King James Bible. While it is good that there is a movement toward the final form of the received text, and toward the sense of the Scripture as presented by the King James Bible, there is no absolute concordance between the Spanish and the English, because it would seem that the Spanish is incapable of total perfection. In other words (and this is no triumphalist or jingoist claim) God has set up the English language as the medium for getting the final form of His Word to the world. While we cannot deny that the Bible is in Spanish, just as it is in many English Bible versions (e.g. Geneva, etc.), we do see that one Version reigns supreme, and that one has the supersuccessionary power above them all. Therefore, perfection would be in having the King James Bible itself come to the folk of Spanish nations.

4. It is not fully in line with the providentially appointed movement that is setting up English as the global language. That is, that time, money and resources have been and are expended on a project which is less than what could be, namely, teaching the natives and foreigners English in line with the King James Bible. The point of this is because the perfect King James Bible should be then believed upon in the world. However, now that the Gomez Version exists, it might be acceptable to use it and the parallel King James Bible to help such people to learn the English.

5. The Gomez Spanish Version is based on a faulty view of the history of the King James Bible.

They state, “Besides, if the KJV went through a purifying process, and did between 1611 and 1769, why shouldn\'t the RVG or any other Bible?”

The purification process of the King James Bible, which did not end in 1769, was to deal with internal issues, such as typographical errors, standardisation of the spelling and so on, NOT textual or translational so-called “errors”. It is quite proper for people to do that kind of correcting in any work, but it is clear that Gomez and others are speaking of correcting textual and translational errors.

Also, while Gomez’ work is validly called a Bible, and Scripture, yet in the primary manifestation, the prophecy of seven purifications has been chiefly and providentially intended in the English Bible, not in just “any other Bible”. In other words, total purity, flawlessness, perfection and so on would seem to be impossible to achieve for the Spanish Bible, in that such a state of things is already manifested in the English Bible.

6. This Spanish Bible is new. The King James Bible is old. It is better to receive from tradition, and to know its course. Since Spanish is not the pure language of Zephaniah 3:9, the Spanish Bible does not seem to have the endurance to go forth in power.

7. The Gomez Spanish Version is not exactly in line with the providential attitude of Edward Hills.

Dr Hills wrote of the universal priesthood of believers. At the moment, there is no general consensus, but that of what appears to support that English should become known throughout the world, at least as a second language, and that the King James Bible has been so much already spread abroad and is linked with the highest form of Christianity (yes, the best doctrines since the days of King Henry VIII have always come forth from English-speakers). At the moment, a faction of people may be inclined to use the GSV, however, it is better to support the KJB for the countries where they have been speaking Spanish, because this latter design would seem to be the long term way for numerous natural and spiritual reasons, including that this is growing in universality of true believers. (That Gomez moved the Spanish toward the KJB shows that, in fact, the authority actually is the KJB, and that the true universality actually regards the KJB, so the idea of having the Word yet in Spanish becomes like the idea of using the Geneva Version today, that is, all these things are superseded by the King James Bible.)

Secondly, Hills suggested that a revision of the King James Bible might take place. However, he was uncertain on this, and would rather defer to providence, and create an environment for acting according to that providence as concerning these issues. Since the King James Bible is being recognised now (at least by some) as not just an independent form, but the final form, of the received text, and in line with other factors mentioned above, it would be better to lay hold on the King James Bible as it is, and maintain, keep and protect it, and bring it forward as is to the “many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.” (Revelation 10:11b).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('678', '5656f5ef2e', 'What is Biblical preaching?', '&quot;These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.&quot; (Titus 2:15).

The Biblical preacher must preach in authority. This comes from having a pure Bible (ie. the King James Bible), believing it, and being willing to obey it. We see from this verse in Titus that preaching has elements of exhortation and rebuke. Through the Word of God, much is done in believers\' hearts but without it, much is lost.

&quot;But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption&quot; (1 Corinthians 1:30). The Biblical preacher relies on Christ, so that the wisdom of God, not man, will come out.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('679', 'b28df86ce1', 'Spanish Bible.', '[quote:b28df86ce1]It rejects the King James Bible is the final form of the received text.[/quote:b28df86ce1]
This is a serious flaw in the current missionary aproach, even if translations are using the KJB as their basis.

God is providentially bringing in circumstances where the best possible future is to have [b:b28df86ce1]the whole Church globally conform to one Bible[/b:b28df86ce1], which happens to be in English. Although this is alien thinking to some at the moment, it will be seen as the only way to effectively reach as many as possible before Christ returns.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('680', 'cf9d87a6d4', '', 'Guys,

Well a little late. I\'ll get them on Monday.  This is ok with me. I\'ll have them all placed by Tue or Wed.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('681', '37d20d1e7b', 'Internet sales', 'Selling through the internet opens up to a world market.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('682', '2aa4220479', 'Tiny Changes', 'My apologies if this is duplicated elsewhere, but I am ignorant of the background for the following variation.  I am using SwordSearcher with the PCE added as my reference.

On another board, a doubter is throwing all kinds of supposed variations at me.  I decided to look up just a few to see how much effort to put into the discussion.  I began with the accusation that the translators or later editors were inconsistent with the use of &quot;an hundred&quot; and &quot;a hundred&quot;.

Below is a portion of this man\'s post (he quotes Matthew at the beginning):
Writer: Logos1560
Link: http://finalauthority48270.yuku.com/topic/6110?page=2
Post: #26
[quote:2aa4220479]     [b:2aa4220479]bibleprotector wrote:

    The thousands of changes which have taken place in the history of the King James Bible are merely:
    1. corrections of typographical errors,
    2. standardisations of the language (e.g. spelling),
    3. regularisation (e.g. italics).[/b:2aa4220479]

There is clear available evidence that shows that a good number of renderings that later editors changed were the responsibility of the KJV translators themselves who had kept them from the Bishops\' Bible. The printers should not be made into scape goats for renderings for which they have not been proven to be responsible.

The Bishops\' Bible was the likely source of the 1611 edition\'s renderings &quot;God&quot; at Genesis 6:5, 2 Samuel 12:22, 2 Chronicles 8:16, 2 Chronicles 28:11, and Isaiah 49:13. Later editors changed the first two of these to &quot;GOD&quot; and corrected the last three of these to &quot;the LORD.&quot; The Bishops\' Bible may also be the source of the 1611\'s rendering &quot;Lord&quot; at Isaiah 34:1, which later editors revised to &quot;LORD.&quot; Again the likely if not certain source of the 1611 edition\'s rendering &quot;that were in the temple&quot; (2 Kings 11:10) was the Bishops\' Bible that also omitted the phrase &quot;of the LORD&quot; that had to be added by editors in later KJV editions. If the KJV translators simply kept these renderings or omissions from the Bishops\' Bible, they cannot accurately be considered printing errors.

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Later editors also changed &quot;a hundred&quot; (Exod. 38:9, Jud. 20:10, 1 Kings 7:2) to &quot;an hundred&quot; while they kept &quot;a hundred&quot; once (Isa. 37:36). They revised &quot;a house&quot; (1 Chron. 17:5) to &quot;an house&quot; while &quot;a house&quot; was left at other verses (Exod. 12:30, Lev. 14:34, etc.). They changed &quot;a hill&quot; (Isa. 30:17) to &quot;an hill&quot; while &quot;a hill&quot; was kept once (Josh. 24:33). Later editors also left the inconsistencies of &quot;an hairy&quot; (Gen. 25:25) and &quot;a hairy&quot; (Gen. 27:11), &quot;a harp&quot; (1 Sam. 10:5) and &quot;an harp&quot; (1 Sam. 16:16, 23), &quot;a heap&quot; (Isa. 17:11) and &quot;an heap&quot; (Isa. 25:2), &quot;an hammer&quot; (Jud. 4:21) and &quot;a hammer&quot; (Jer. 23:29), &quot;an highway&quot; (Isa. 11:16) and &quot;a highway&quot; (Isa. 19:23), &quot;an holy&quot; (Exod. 19:6) and &quot;a holy&quot; (Isa. 30:29), and &quot;an house&quot; (Mark 3:19) and &quot;a house&quot; (Mark 3:25).[/quote:2aa4220479]

Using the PCE, it appears that indeed there is only once that &quot;a hundred&quot; is used instead of &quot;an hundred&quot;.  While &quot;a&quot; and &quot;an&quot; are identical in meaning today, I am at a loss to explain why this one spot is different.  I seem to remember reading a discussion about a/an used with &quot;h&quot; words (hundred, house, etc) but I now can\'t find it.  I have absolutely no problem with the wording, but it bugs me not to be able to give any answer concerning why the variation or &quot;supposed&quot; inconsistency.

Thanks for the help.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('683', '8cb8522a68', 'Rick Norris and David Norton', 'Rick Norris claims that David Norton, recent editor of the King James Bible for Cambridge University Press, &quot;does not have a bias against the KJV&quot;. Also, it appears that Norris accepts Norton\'s underlying argument, namely, that the intended text of the translators of 1604-1611 may be discerned to some degree from the surviving partial and incomplete drafts and working documents, and that this is used to claim that certain changes that have occurred within the history of the King James Bible were actually against the intent of the translators. 

First of all, it is apparent from David Norton\'s two volume book, &quot;A History of the Bible as Literature&quot;, that he holds a low view of the King James Bible in literature, degrading what he calls &quot;AV-olatry&quot;, and seldom if ever in his works esteems or upholds the King James Bible as religious truth. (Even a modern version user would admit that the King James Bible is true.) 

Secondly, quite a case can be built against relying heavily on the incomplete and partial drafts and working documents of the King James Bible translators. 

Here is a quote from my book: 

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The first existing draft is known as the Bodleian Manuscript. This is made up of sheets of the 1602 Bishops\' Bible which have been bound together to form a complete Bible. Several portions of this book are heavily annotated with handwritten corrections and possible alterations. &quot;There is at least some degree of correspondence between the annotated text and the final version of the King James Bible ... the correspondence is not as great as one might expect.&quot; (McGrath, 2001, In the Beginning, page 196.) Norton and Nicolson claim, &quot;It was acquired by the library in 1646 ... What no one realised at the time, or for another three centuries, was that this Bible was not only an account of the alterations made; it was an instrument in the translation itself.&quot; (Nicolson, 2003, Power and Glory, page 151.) The nineteenth century modernist Westcott wrote, &quot;It is remarkable that none of the many copies of the Bishops\' Bible used for the revision have yet been discovered. There is an interesting volume in the Bodleian Library (Bishops\' Bible, Barker, 1602), which has commonly by certainly wrongly supposed to be one of the copies prepared for the press.&quot; The Bodleian manuscript was not marked up for the press, but was a scholarly document, &quot;The text is corrected throughout some books to the Royal Version; and in some cases letters are attached (g, j, t) which appear to indicate the sources from which the corrections were derived. ... it is certain that \'g\' marks corrections obtained from the Genevan Version ... \'t\' and \'j\' ... are probably Tremellius and Junius.&quot; (Westcott, 1905, A General View of the History of the English Bible, page 118.) 

This particular manuscript, while containing a complete Bible, seems to have been made up of several different copies, and from different stages in the translation process with different handwriting. There are portions of the Gospels which Norton thinks seem to show early work, though Westcott thought were \'considerably more modern\', while portions of the Old Testament show, according to Norton, work at a further and more extensively noted stage, though Westcott thinks these pages are in one hand and are a &quot;scholar\'s collation of the Royal and Bishops\' texts, with an attempt to trace the origin of the corrections.&quot; [i.e. after 1611] There are also portions of unannotated pages. Since different stages of the translation process required the work of each company to be distributed to the others, it is likely that some of the markings in the Bodleian Manuscript may be of one particular company\'s revision of a particular stage of the original company\'s work. Furthermore, some of the annotations, or some portion or sections of them, may have been made not before 1611, but afterwards, in reference to particular differences that appeared in the first printed edition of the King James Bible. In fact, this is very likely to be true, since it was the opinion held by those who knew of this manuscript until it was analysed in more detail in the 1950s. &quot;A volume in the Bodleian Library, an edition of 1602, with corrections, has sometimes been taken for one of them; but Canon Westcott clearly proves the incorrectness of the opinion, from the nature of the marks and notes.&quot; (Eadie, 1876, The English Bible, page 759.) This opinion is furthered by W. A. Wright\'s editorial notes in Westcott\'s book. 

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Thirdly, there is no compelling case at all that the general changes as they have occurred within the history of the King James Bible have been against the &quot;intention of the translators&quot;. However, this is not to say that various renderings in the first printing of 1611 are against what the translators themselves wrote. I agree that in many cases, renderings such as &quot;besides&quot; instead of the present &quot;beside&quot; and numerous other examples, were completely intended by the translators, and that these former spellings would match the handwritten master/final annotated copy handed by the translators/Bishops to the press. But it appears that the translators did indeed allow for alterations which exhibit themselves from a very early stage in the printed copies. 

For example, we can hypothesise that the word &quot;amongst&quot; may have been so rendered by the translators, as was already changed in places to &quot;among&quot; in 1612, and that in these matters, the real intention of the translators was for a &quot;purified form&quot;, else why did no outcry arise concerning this, and why were translators Bois and Ward in 1638 making many changes in this regard (or accepting those that had occurred before that year)? 

Therefore, it still stands that no change in the version text or translation took place from 1611 to the ordinary editions of today, and that the appearance of any such change is either because a false constructed &quot;intended text&quot; has been appealed to, or because such differences are actually corrections of typographical errors or standardisations of spellings, etc. 

While the &quot;typographical errors&quot; argument is used rather simplistically and rather too blanket-like by some, yet since the printers were (at least very likely) using an annotated form of the Bishop\'s Bible for a final copy, there are occasions where accidental similarities to the Bishop\'s Bible may come through, and that these may fall under the category of &quot;typographical errors&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('684', 'f531b761f8', '', 'Is it inconsistent to have both &quot;an&quot; and &quot;a&quot;? This is the same as &quot;sith&quot; and &quot;since&quot;, or &quot;among&quot; and &quot;amongst&quot;.

The accusation goes like this:

The King James Bible used to have many places where &quot;sith&quot; or &quot;amongst&quot; were used, but now they are seldom used, and that the editors were slipshod and haphazard in making uniform every instance of &quot;sith&quot; to &quot;since&quot;, or &quot;amongst&quot; to &quot;among&quot;, because they missed some places. End accusation.

However, the editors were not inconsistent because both &quot;sith&quot; and &quot;since&quot;, or both &quot;amongst&quot; and &quot;among&quot; are there in 1611. Both have a similar meaning. Both could have been interchangeable to a certain degree. But in the end, after all the purification work in the King James Bible, and since the exact meaning of one word form differs to another (in meaning, appearance, intonation and rhythm), maybe even just the slightest degree, yet each place now has the exact correct form of the word, or exact word, and each with its exact correct meaning in its respective place.

Here is a quote from my book:

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It is hardly surprising that modernists are critical of Blayney, in accusing him of being inconsistent, which they also lay to the charge of the 1611 translators. For example, they say the word “an” rather than “a” should be used before words beginning with “h” (“an horn”, “an house”), but the Bible shows there are exceptions to this rule, or rather, that the correct rule concerning the use of “a” and “an” is not the simple one which the modernists have presented. The modernists mistakenly think that there should be a complete uniformity, either all “a” or all “an”. There are other similar examples also, such as the use of “thy” and “thine” or “my” and “mine” before words beginning with “h”. These are affected by considerations of the metre and phonetics — something which modernists fail to consider.

Other improvements in the revision included the change in many cases of: “amongst” to “among”, “besides” to “beside”, “burnt” to “burned”, “lift” to “lifted”, “towards” to “toward” and “you” to “ye”. These changes were not made arbitrarily, but with reference to the Greek and Hebrew and proper grammar. For example, “ye” should be the subject, and “you” the object: “ye do to you”.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('685', 'fbcf9c8f33', '', 'Have a look at:

[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14[/url]

Here is some more information:

There has been a purification of the King James Bible, as shown by the number of changes or differences. However extensive the result of the purification of the King James Bible has been, it is, as shown in every place, a work of necessity and sound reason, and never without purpose. It is not the fact of few or many changes that, at the end of it all, are a measure, but that the Bible has been fully and utterly purified, so that what is exactly pure is now shown to be so, that is, as the Word says, “I am what I am” (1 Corinthians 15:10). This is the revealed purification of the presentation of the Word of God in English.

Without the proper view of purification, the history, presence and future of the King James Bible appears very differently. This has been the wayward view of some of the past great “authorities” on the King James Bible. For example, Scrivener wrote, “It is hard to discover any intelligible principle which guided the editors of 1762 and 1769 in their vexatious changes of several particles into their cognate forms.” They change words in one place, he claimed, “yet keep so often the forms they reject elsewhere that it is plain that they have no design to disuse them altogether. Such wanton, or perhaps merely careless, variations should be cancelled without mercy.” He believed that the changes were “not very intelligible” and the product of “unmeaning tampering with the text”. 

To many, it is indeed hard to find the principle which has guided the process of purification from 1611 to the Pure Cambridge Edition as concerning certain words. That single principle which is unacknowledged by the unbelievers is the providence of God. Assuming that a person has a good knowledge of the English language, it is a wonder that they have a such a sense of loss when they examine the Scripture, because the Pure Cambridge Edition, so far from being random, inconsistent and unintelligible when it comes to the Biblical English, is in fact plainly full of pattern, complexity and a specific and detailed set of prescribed rules under girds it all. The modernist, or man restricted to his carnal mind and not yielded to God, is hopelessly inept, no matter what his worldly learning. Yet, it should be evidently manifest to them that the divine stamp is revealed in the language of the English Bible, let alone in the very message of the words. Therefore, it is the Holy Ghost, by making wise the simple (see Psalm 19:7), which is the necessary key for understanding the nature of the Bible.

Yet, there are places which the changes in the King James Bible are attacked, and where despite is done to the Spirit of God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('686', '856496b32f', 'A and an', 'A and An as the article

Before words beginning with the letter “h”, the use of the word “a” and “an” is not uniform, so there is “a hairy” in Genesis 27:11, but “an hairy” in Genesis 25:25. Since 1611, some cases have been altered, such as that Exodus 25:10 had “a half, an half, a half”, now all “a half” here. Yet, “an half” is still used elsewhere in the Bible.

Before a vowel, the use of the word “a” and “an” is not uniform, so there is “a one” in 2 Corinthians 2:7, but “an one” at 2 Corinthians 12:2. Since 1611, some cases have been altered, such as at 1 Corinthians 5:5 which read “such a one”, now reads “such an one”.

The rules governing the use of “a” and “an” must therefore take into account the meter of the sentence, and the combination of other sounds, and other factors, rather than just the ordinary uniform use of either “a” or “an” as in Standard English.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('687', 'e7a928b4a2', '', 'The Bible also indicates that the Gospel is to come to the Jews in English from the King James Bible.

“For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.” (Isaiah 28:10, 11). The prophecy shows that the preaching of the Gospel must come again to the Jews. The people of Israel are not to be speaking their own language, or to hear the Gospel in their own language, but in another tongue. This was illustrated by the Apostle Paul, who linked this verse with speaking in tongues. Therefore, the restitution effect of this prophecy must require Pentecostal Gospel preachers in the latter days.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('688', '97f6e5b6d1', 'The Final Textus Receptus', 'Yes, all Bibles somehow compare themselves to the AV.
Even many of the newer translations such as those that go out via BBTI.
They use the AV as their foundation to translate into a native tongue.
The only problem is that even if they did an exemplary job and got all right,
it would take way too long to learn the language and customs and the idioms of the people to make it completely exemplary.
Nowadays, this is a waste of money.
Nowadays, this is a waste of time.
Nowadays, this is a waste of resources. 
Not to mention all the people that are headed to hell faster than ever in these impoverished nations.
ESL with the KJB is way more effective and faster and simply the best that God in his providence has provided to produce the most amount of good in the least amount of time, with eternal results.

Yes, you can chop down a tree with a butter knife, but the tailor made machine that can grab the trees in a bunch and cut them in a split second. Then strip all the branches including chopping it into the right length, faster than I can describe it is way more efficient.
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As you said there Pastor, one day more folk will catch on and see that using the AV in all cases is better.[paraphrase]
LORD willing they come to their senses sooner than later.
All those lost souls, to the glory of God.');
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REVISIONISM

“Who changed the truth of God into a lie” (Romans 1:25a).

Historical revisionism is a major problem, and it is a major tool being used by the devil. Putting a spin on things, or stretching the truth, is lying. Satan knows that if he changes people’s knowledge of history, he can change their destiny.

For example, if mankind is just a smart ape, he can do what he lusts, and act like a beast. That is, if the evolutionary theory is made “historical fact”.

If the influence of the King James Bible and Protestantism is erased out of our history, culture and national consciousness, soon a nation seems to come into a bad place.

Moreover, this principle can be used by evil people against their enemies: they can blame the Jews for this, or Fundamental Christians for that, much of which are false accusations.

“Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.” (Proverbs 29:18).

“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.” (Hosea 4:6).

It is apparent that there is a love for lies and darkness. The Leftist propaganda about “inequality”, “massacres of the natives”, “cultural warfare”, “global warming” etc. etc. are really designed to come against the Bible as the foundation of knowledge.

Fundamentalist Christian religion is not the problem. False religion and sin is the problem.

“The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?” (Jeremiah 5:31).

“In George Orwell\'s 1984, the government of the main character\'s country, nominally led by the enigmatic Big Brother, is constantly revising history to be in harmony with the current political situation. For instance, if the country is at war with another, then the official position is that they have always been at war with that country. If the situation changes, the civilians are brainwashed accordingly. In this novel, historical revisionism is one of the main policies of the propaganda arm (&quot;Ministry of Truth&quot;) of Oceania\'s government.” See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_revisionism_(negationism) (The irony is that wikipedia itself is in places a tool of this very thing.)

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Answers to some accusations or teachings given by anti-King James Bible only writer, Rick Norris.
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('691', '5f26f58463', '', 'I guess, to put it simple terms, there is no way to discern from the verse or the background source text why &quot;a hundred&quot; was used in the one verse while &quot;an hundred&quot; is used everywhere else.  It must be assumed that the translators did not &quot;overlook&quot; this one spot, so the only explanation is that the meter or something else very specific to this verse caused them to choose to make an exception to the norm.  I don\'t have a problem with that, but it is hard to convince those that are assaulted by the doubters of such an arbitrary explanation.

Two other questions:  Can you point me to your thoughts on the &quot;Easter&quot; issue?  and Do you know &quot;Logos1560&quot; by a different (real?) name?  I got the idea that you might know him. He is a tough adversary.  Without the access to the apparently sizable reference list, it is hard to &quot;match wits&quot; with him.  Well, then again, that\'s quite a serious step down from faith, isn\'t it.  I\'d rather be a faith-driven follower of God\'s Word[u:5f26f58463]s[/u:5f26f58463], than a self-convinced critic.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('692', '43837577cb', 'Challenges to the KJBO stand', '[quote:43837577cb]He is a tough adversary. Without the access to the apparently sizable reference list, it is hard to &quot;match wits&quot; with him. Well, then again, that\'s quite a serious step down from faith, isn\'t it. I\'d rather be a faith-driven follower of God\'s Words, than a self-convinced critic.[/quote:43837577cb]
I am aware of the forum you speak of. Some people will resist the truth no matter what. Matthew\'s work in that forum was exemplary but was ultimately rejected with gainsayers running rampant. Whilst we must be ready to give an answer, we don\'t need to put up with rebellion when displayed. I personally have no interest in &quot;matching wits&quot; with gainsayers.

We should remember the following:
(1) Anyone who disagrees that God has not preserved His Word in the Earth to eventually get a pure Bible to His Church must fundamentally be wrong, so their wisdom (devilish as it is) will always be flawed. It is only a matter of [b:43837577cb]where [/b:43837577cb]it is flawed.
(2) God lays up sound wisdom for the righteous, not for the rebellious or wicked. &quot;He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly.&quot; (Proverbs 2:7). Hence, if a so-called Christian actually gets his wisdom from atheistic &quot;friends&quot; or other sources or goes to liberal theologians etc, then that wisdom will not be sound.
(3) We look to convince gainsayers but if they remain hard-hearted, then we must turn away from them to others who will respond (and there are many that are waiting!). &quot;But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:38).
(4) Some forums are full of railers where people called themselves &quot;Christians&quot; but the Scripture is clear on what to do: &quot;But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.&quot; (1 Corinthians 5:11).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('693', '2a0882d5c8', '', 'Logos1560 is Rick Norris.

Just because he reads lots of books, and can quote them does not make him right. In fact, I can tell that he uses quotes only to support his view, rather than looking at things from a believing perspective. His statements do not always reflect the real situation, for example, he may marshal certain facts (e.g. changes that have occurred in the history of the King James Bible), but often the detailed analysis reveals that what he is arguing for is only partially true. (Sadly, very few people have been able to refute him, because he is a master of detail, though I commend Will Kinney’s masterful review of Norris’ anti-King James Bible only book. Norris employs all the weapons to seemingly easily overpower an average King James Bible user, but too often his own smug-like demeanour backfires on him.)

As for &quot;an hundred&quot;, or &quot;a hundred&quot;, the issue is that what we have now is exact, not only to the presented meaning, but to the meter and other factors (which are hardly arbitrary, since the very jots and tittles of God\'s Word is at stake). Certainly, the translators did not over look places, and neither did, in the end analysis (i.e. the PCE), the editors.

The assault of the doubters is like a trial of faith. Some are weak, and some are strong. Often they have a conscience, and want to stand for the truth, but do not have the same facts or knowledge at their disposal. That is what we want to be, that is what this forum here is for.

As for Easter, this was discussed last year in the &quot;Final Authority&quot; Forum where you are debating Norris/Logos. If you look between about June and about November 2007, you will find lots of posts by me. The issue seemed hot in about August 2007. See also http://av1611godsword.yuku.com/topic/365/t/Easter.html

Here is some typical Norris-speak:

[quote:2a0882d5c8]Along with making inaccurate claims about the number of changes or variations in KJV editions, KJV-only advocates make other incorrect claims about them. Some examples of these claims will be presented. It is often assumed or implied that our present KJV editions are every word the same in text as either the 1762 Cambridge edition or the 1769 Oxford edition. Is this a correct assumption? ... The actual evidence and facts from KJV editions show that some KJV-only claims about KJV editions are incorrect. Many more facts from various KJV editions could be presented. All changes in the text were not completed by 1769. Spelling updates and the making of other changes continued in KJV editions until after 1885. The text of the KJV was not free from all man-made errors in 1769. The present Oxford KJV text is not every word the same as the 1769 Oxford edition. ... In contrast to KJV-only claims, the evidence shows that the 1769 Oxford edition was not “free from man-made error.” An examination of several Oxford KJV editions indicates that the text of the present Oxford edition in the Scofield Reference Bible is based on a post-1885 Oxford edition. Some changes made after 1885 are accepted while other minor updating or changes are not.[/quote:2a0882d5c8]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('694', '883a1a75a6', 'The Bible\'s In-built dictionary.', 'Thanks Peter. 

Another example of the in-built dictionary can be seen with the word \'buckler\'. The Bible mentions several times that the Lord is our buckler. If you want to know the meaning of the word it can be found in The Song of Solomon:

&quot;Thy neck [i:883a1a75a6]is[/i:883a1a75a6] like the tower of David builded for an armoury, whereon there hang a thousand bucklers, all shields of mighty men.&quot; (The Song of Solomon 4:4).

A buckler is a shield. I found this very helpful when I saw it in the Scriptures. It eliminates confusion. On the other hand the modern versions are full of confusion, as they directly contradict the King James Bible in many places. This type of confusion is not God\'s way. God is not contradictory, and all versions are not equal.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('695', 'ffd4552423', 'Re: A and an', '[quote:ffd4552423=\"bibleprotector\"]The rules governing the use of “a” and “an” must therefore take into account the meter of the sentence, and the combination of other sounds, and other factors, rather than just the ordinary uniform use of either “a” or “an” as in Standard English.[/quote:ffd4552423][color=darkblue:ffd4552423]
 Thanks, Matthew.  I remember when I first read your writing on this topic and gave a hearty amen before God.

It is amazing to see modernists have such a one-dimensional view of grammar, vocabulary, punctuation and spelling issues, and this is one of many examples.   There is little interest in the majesty and beauty of the modern English that was flowering from Tyndale through Geneva and Sheakespeare and the King James Bible. (I have run into some excellent articles on this from language afficiondos) and an attempt to apply one-dimensional understandings for doctrinal pigeon-dung-holes of the modern-versionist &quot;there cannot be a pure Bible&quot; mentality... ABK .. Anything but King James, and nothing pure and perfect.

Recently I watched the fascination with interpretations based on Greek grammar (Granville Sharp rule) when the Greek grammar is perfectly reflected in the English King James Bible and every discussion could be held with the AV and beautifully acceptable grammatical understandings.  And all the various nuances would be 10-fold clearer. Folks would rather rail and rant about what they do not know and understand, and give the foreign language a false mystical cohesion to match whatever is their current predilection, rather than simply embracing God\'s pure word. 

As for our friend Rick, you are always welcome to invite us to the forums where he posts.  As Matthew notes, Will Kinney has done yeoman work on all the fundamental issues, and always nails the Norris pretensions and confusions to the wall.  Will has a very solid way of sticking to the basics as well, where is God\'s pure word ? ..  While Matthew has nailed Rick on his very turf, every single element of precision and accuracy in the King James Bible.  And I have worked with many detailed areas where Rick was inconsistent, pulling snow jobs, skewing evidences, hiding factual matters, fudging words about his own views (Rick left that forum for awhile, where Matthew and I were posting, he may have seen returned, I have also since taken a break). 

And I really appreciated Rick\'s work, because it placed me in a position to study God\'s word more excellently. 

 However when his pretensions are exposed, he gets very antsy and uncomfortable, his only attempted siren-song of comfort is when he is trying to defend the idea that God has no pure word, which is a place of truly great unease before God. 

Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:ffd4552423]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('696', '65bcbf2eed', '', 'Thank you Steven.

[quote:65bcbf2eed]foreign language a false mystical cohesion to match whatever is their current predilection[/quote:65bcbf2eed]

That is, whatever is truth right now is forced upon history to be true in the past. How often this false Hermetical approach is used to defy facts and to reinterpret anything and everything.

&quot;Jesus sat at meat&quot; is changed. The word &quot;sat&quot; might be changed to &quot;was sitting&quot;, and then, eventually, &quot;reclining&quot; because according to the latest historical research, people would be lying down at the meal... and they weren\'t eating &quot;meat&quot;, even though this is a perfectly valid word... So the verse might be changed to &quot;he reclined at supper&quot;.

Often the so-called &quot;latest historical research&quot; and the &quot;latest discoveries&quot; are nothing more than new theories which are from people who have every intention of defying the Bible tradition.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('697', 'b3bd79509c', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'There is a particular issue that strikes at the heart of pancosmic religion. This issue is that of the name of God and is pushed by false prophets. Traditional Pentecostalists know the name of God to be Jehovah because that is clearly stated in the King James Bible. &quot;That [i:b3bd79509c]men [/i:b3bd79509c]may know that thou, whose name alone [i:b3bd79509c]is [/i:b3bd79509c]JEHOVAH, [i:b3bd79509c]art [/i:b3bd79509c]the most high over all the earth.&quot; (Psalm 83:18).

&quot;I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. How long shall [i:b3bd79509c]this [/i:b3bd79509c]be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, [i:b3bd79509c]they are [/i:b3bd79509c]prophets of the deceit of their own heart; Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.&quot; (Jeremiah 23:25-27).

There are false prophets now that tell people to forget the actual name of God and tell them to accept Baal-type names like Yeshua or Yahweh or such like. Such prophets and teachers are turning people away from the traditional KJB path into a modern version path of pitfalls.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('698', '1b924b8d2a', 'Tavener', 'I was reading the 2nd Draft and noticed a couple of wrong dates on page 88.
*******
Thomas Cromwell, Earl of Essex, was one who “pushed forward the Reformation” — as Oliver Cromwell’s chief biographer C. H. Firth stated.3 The most spectacular display of this was when he obtained the authority to have Matthew’s Bible taught and read in the English nation (1637), thus, as John Brown recorded, “the book was given to the English people, which is the foundation of the text of our present Bible.”4
A rival corrected edition of Matthew’s Version was made in 1639 by Taverner, also a Cambridge man, which took into account some changes from the Latin. This became known as Taverner’s Bible, but it was immediately eclipsed by the Great Bible.
*******
I cannot verify the date of [1637] as even being 1537, but this is what I expect it should read?
Also the date of 1639 in the last paragraph here should read 1539.Not 1639.
1539 was the year of the Great Bible but also was the recension of the Matthew\'s Bible, executed by Richard Tavener.[pg94, Historical account of the Scriptures, 1841 English Hexapla edition.]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('699', 'f4ed415c61', '', 'Peter, thank you, you are correct. The dates are:

Matthews\' -- 1537
Taverner -- 1539

The third draft (with corrections and additional material) is well on its way.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('700', '8fb637c7fa', '', '[quote:8fb637c7fa]Hills said:
But in that case any version which we prepare today would be equally antiquated.[/quote:8fb637c7fa]

I think that this is one of the greatest oversights that the modernists make.  

To me it is incomprehensible that we will even approach a time when the wording of the KJB is so foreign as to be unreadable.  Therefore, though Hill\'s ideas about a revision are logical from a humanly theoretical position, to the believer who stands and views the world today, reality clearly shouts the opposite.  IT IS FINISHED!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('701', 'b80f2c005f', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'The Biblical preacher is not preaching to be popular or even entertaining. There is only one thing that matters and that is that the will of God is done. Obviously, whilst operating in love, the preacher must often preach what may be perceived as hard or confronting.

&quot;And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.&quot; (1 John 2:17). The will of God done is what lasts into eternity.

&quot;But though [i:b80f2c005f]I be [/i:b80f2c005f]rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.&quot; (2 Corinthians 11:6). &quot;Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.&quot; (Hebrews 5:11). It is the responsibility of hearers to prepare their hearts, so that they can hear even confronting things.

Offence keeps many from responding properly to Biblical preaching but offence is actually an indication of something wrong in the hearer\'s heart. &quot;And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word\'s sake, immediately they are offended.&quot; (Mark 4:17). &quot;Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.&quot; (Psalm 119:165).

&quot;Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard [i:b80f2c005f]this[/i:b80f2c005f], said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? ... From that [i:b80f2c005f]time [/i:b80f2c005f]many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.&quot; (John 6:60,61,66).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('702', '72303e0ffe', 'Explaining the Received Text and its primary representative', 'The Received Text is not merely in Greek (by which it would mean a
collective of &quot;sound&quot; Greek editions known as the Textus Receptus,
all of which vary slightly), but the Received Text also exists in any
Protestant Bible translation which has selected readings out of
multiple sources, forming part of this collective &quot;Textus Receptus&quot;.
The problem is that there is no definitive final text, unless we find
that one form of it is not only an independent variety (a critical
edition of the TR in English), but is also, by Divine Providence, the
final form of the Received Text, being the King James Bible.

Clearly, it would be wrong to say that any fragment or manuscript or
translation which is of the Traditional Text, Textus Receptus or in
any good old Protestant Translation is not Scripture. They are
validly called &quot;Scripture&quot; and &quot;The Word of God&quot;. The point is that
there has been a (1.) gathering process, a (2.) purification and
culmination, and a (3.) finalisation giving a finite representative.
Thus, authority now, as opposed to historically, is by using the King
James Bible as the &quot;measure&quot;. Whereas historically, a general
consensus was used to denote what was authentic.

This is based on the same principle that was used to form the Canon,
for example. Once there was no Canon, yet a common consent tended
toward one particular Canon, that is, the authority of the Canon
itself came about afterward. Thus, we use our Canon now as a measure
against any historical or new phenomena, even though our Canon did
not exist in an articulated form throughout history.

Therefore, in the same way we may accept what are actually God\'s
words now, and use the finalised gathered form of them as the
standard, which has been actually historically attested to anyway.

Even before the Textus Receptus Editions existed (say, from 1516 or
so), there is substantially the same witness in the general and wide
consensus of Greek manuscript evidence anyway. In other words, using
the &quot;Textus Receptus&quot; as a measure for all the Greek manuscripts of
the Traditional Text is entirely valid, since one essentially leads,
culminates or turns into the other.

Thus, in no way should the King James Bible be merely viewed as an
isolated phenomena, limited to English, and rising only between 1604-
1611, when in fact it is the last &quot;revision&quot; of the believing
scholarly gathering, judging and weighing of the great portion of
witnesses and sources, giving the end result, the perfect text (and
translation) of the Word of God.

While any Greek copy may not match up perfectly with the King James
Bible, such copies may still be called &quot;Scripture&quot;, but the greater
authority is in the finalised gathered form. Please note that the
King James Bible does not contain something beyond either scattered
historical evidence, nor does it have something more or further, as
far as inerrancy and infallibility are concerned, than the original
autographs. It is sense-for-sense the same. This claim cannot be made
to this degree for any other good Bible Version. (As for perverted
versions as come out by the truckload now, they cannot rightly be
regarded as the Word of God, though they may to some percentage
contain Scripture.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('703', 'cd4a44fca8', 'Editors of the Wikipedia Article:Jehovah need some help!', '[u:cd4a44fca8]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah[/u:cd4a44fca8]

The above URL takes you to the first page of the Wikipedia Article:Jehovah. [the URL may need to be cut and pasted]

I don\'t think that it will happen but the Wikipedia Article:Jehovah is being considered for deletion:

[quote:cd4a44fca8]This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia\'s deletion policy.
Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article\'s entry on the Articles for deletion page.
Feel free to edit the article, 
but the article must not be blanked, 
and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed. 
For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, read the guide to deletion. [/quote:cd4a44fca8]

Jewish editors want a more neutral Point of View Article to be written, 
in which the Jewish point of view on the name &quot;Jehovah&quot; is acknowledged.

At the present time the Wikipedia Article is sort of in Limbo, 
until Wikipedia editors can obtain a consensus as to how the Introduction of the Article should be written.

FWIW

Dave Donnelly');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('704', '0083be68ef', '', '&quot;consensus&quot;, &quot;neutral&quot;, &quot;the Jewish point of view&quot;...

Sounds like &quot;1984&quot; by George Orwell.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('705', 'e300de9216', 'Rep:Editors of the Wikipedia Article:Jehovah need some help!', 'Hi bibleprotector,

You wrote:

[quote:e300de9216]&quot;consensus&quot;, &quot;neutral&quot;, &quot;the Jewish point of view&quot;... 

Sounds like &quot;1984&quot; by George Orwell.[/quote:e300de9216]

Actually what the Jewish editors are asking for,
is that the Wikipedia Article:Jehovah,
present the Jewish viewpoint FROM A NEUTRAL POINT OF VIEW,
in this article.

It would of course be acceptable for KJBO Christians to post on The Wikipedia Article:Jehovah, 
and present their &quot;Point of view&quot; on the name &quot;Jehovah&quot; in &quot;a neutral point of view&quot;

That is one of the benefits of &quot;Wikipedia&quot; 

Idealy all view points can be presented on a controversal subject,
in &quot;a neutral point of view&quot;

Dave Donnelly');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('706', '45c79499e6', 'Jehovah', '[quote:45c79499e6]Idealy all view points can be presented on a controversal subject, 
in &quot;a neutral point of view&quot;[/quote:45c79499e6]
There is no such thing as a neutral point of view in this. As soon as KJBO believers say &quot;Jehovah&quot; is correct, this makes this stand not neutral but believing. On the other hand, when others say that &quot;Jehovah&quot; is incorrect (and hence the King James Bible as being wrong), then their stand is not neutral but unbelieving.

This whole area is one of whether to believe or not. Is God powerful enough to preserve His words perfectly throughout history, even to the preservation of His name? If so, where is this preservation? The one group that does believe God\'s Word is perfectly preserved and translated correctly into English is that of the KJBO believers.

&quot;Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.&quot; (Hebrews 3:12).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('707', '747240ce1b', '', '&quot;consensus&quot;

Since all views are not Biblical, but the Bible has its view, any consensus is to go to the wrong sources, and any consensus is to deny the authority of the Scripture and to agree with the spirit of error which states that there is no sole authority.

&quot;neutral&quot;

Since only one view on this issue is positively Biblical, and since all views have some bias or relation to how much they are in agreement with the spirit (some views are worse than others), no view is without &quot;morality&quot; or consequence, therefore, there is no such thing as a &quot;neutral concept&quot;, except that certain things are tools of &quot;morality&quot; (or lack thereof), e.g. money, guns, wood, paper, electricity, time, etc., etc.

&quot;the Jewish point of view&quot;

Other views are not equal to the Bible, nor are they equally as wrong or as right as the Bible, neither is there any Biblical right that all views have a right to &quot;freedom of expression&quot;. The Scripture says, &quot;Let the lying lips be put to silence; which speak grievous things proudly and contemptuously against the righteous.&quot; (Ps. 31:18).

[quote:747240ce1b]Idealy all view points can be presented on a controversal subject[/quote:747240ce1b]

This sounds like the book \'Nineteen Eighty-Four\' by George Orwell, because there is apparently no absoluteness, and complete subjectivity to change/opinion.

Wikipedia is much more likely a tool of wicked and ignorant things than of truth, though it contains various facts.

The basis is this: Human Rights and Humanism versus Truth and Biblical thinking.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('708', '9cb4d00bef', 'The Protector, 20 April, 2008', '[img:9cb4d00bef]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:9cb4d00bef]

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THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT

According to Leftist propaganda, the United States of America has been taken over by the so-called religious Right:

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This is despite that Christianity is at its weakest stage ever in the United States. There is no way a weak Church waylaid by false doctrine can come into any kind of genuine greatness in the nation.

The Leftists often go further and claim that America’s wars are tools and products of the Christian Right. Yet, the Scripture says, “And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.” (Mark 3:24, 25).

People cannot affirm that the government is for the people and by the people if divisions are allowed to continue. Either one party or sect must become dominant, or else everything is going to be watered down and fragmented. Sadly, the latter option is occurring. (Having a president that believes that the Muslim god Allah is “God” is a sign of this.)

The United States does not really feature in Bible prophecy, and students of prophecy can ponder why Israel is so helpless in the time of the Gog and Magog invasion (see Ezekiel 38 and 39). The only viable explanation is that the United States is not any major component in Bible prophecy. Therefore, the major role that the USA has played is in the preservation and furtherance of the Church, and for the gathering of such things as are needful for the latter days Church.

According to Leftist propaganda, Australia is in danger of being taken over by Christian “Ayatollahism”, named after the Islamic dictator of Iran. There are several allusions to this danger by various enemies of the Christian faith. Given that Australia has had political stability throughout its history, and has never produced one Christian leader of any great renown, many people do not take this threat seriously.

But Christians should be praying, believing and helping in causing godly things to be established at the very highest levels and at the very cultural foundations for peace and freedom, “When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.” (Proverbs 29:2).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('709', 'afd4ac876a', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;Love not sleep, lest though come to poverty; open thine eyes, [i:afd4ac876a]and [/i:afd4ac876a]thou shalt be satisfied with bread.&quot; (Proverbs 20:13).

This is one of the many Scriptures that show that poverty is not a good thing. The warning is to take a path that leads away from poverty. This path is that of a diligent person. God wants His people to be satisfied, so He points to the way of satisfaction and prosperity.

There is a proper way to think in God concerning prosperity. It is different from the world\'s way, which is centred in lust and greed. In God\'s way, there is thinking that is centred on the will of God. &quot;For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.&quot; (James 4:15).

&quot;The thoughts of the diligent [i:afd4ac876a]tend [/i:afd4ac876a]only to plenteousness; but of every one [i:afd4ac876a]that is [/i:afd4ac876a]hasty only to want.&quot; (Proverbs 21:5).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('710', '1eb1171d52', 'Printing Bibles - Bearing Precious Seed', 'Matthew, I am deeply burdened over the lack of access to PCE Bibles in an inexpensive format.  We buy &quot;Pew&quot; Bibles for use by our students and for other general use.  Recently we have been paying around $7.00 per hundred.  

Is any progress being made on this level by anyone that you know?  Do you know of any of the groups generally identified as &quot;Bearing Precious Seeds&quot; that would consider adopting the PCE as the text?  I have neither the funds nor the knowledge on how to start the process, and I don\'t want to waste time and energy retracing someone else\'s efforts.

Any information that you can give would be appreciated.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('711', '2f7c024f89', 'Bible Printing', 'If there are any King James Bible only publishers (that print Bibles themselves), they would obviously be people that we would want to convince that they should be printing the Pure Cambridge Edition.

Also, people can take it upon themselves to print the PCE. I have printed the PCE myself (plain text). Ideally, I would like to have printed Bibles on good paper, good binding and good covers with references etc. i.e. high quality. This can be done, it just requires resources.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('712', '1a6a2ed9a0', 'What is Biblical preaching?', '&quot;So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.&quot; (Romans 1:15).

The Biblical preacher must be [b:1a6a2ed9a0]ready[/b:1a6a2ed9a0] to preach. This means seeking the heart of God to know what God wants to communicate. The preacher is then diligent to present this to the people of God. Without this readiness, anointing will be lacking.

The power in preaching is in the preparation of the heart, so that when the Word of God comes forth, it is coming from a heart where the Word of God abides. &quot;If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.&quot; (John 15:7). From this comes results, from this comes the power through people believing, from this comes life. &quot;It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.&quot; (John 6:63).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('713', '40e9d06150', '', 'The Bible I received from RL Allan in Scotland was okay with the first 8 of the 10 checkpoints.  Ezra 2:26 had &quot;Gaba&quot;.  Are there other areas of differences if the above circumstances exist, or does this indicate that all of the other text will match the PCE?

I can scan the title page and give you other info if you wish.  

The Bible itself is very small with tiny print.  It would not work for a Pew Bible, but might not be too small for my students to use in their desks.  It has a nice glossary of unusual words in the back.  It also has some drawings of plants, animals, and some Egyptian drawings (??) that do not appear to be of much use.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('714', 'ef974d7b09', '', 'There are some Bibles which are like slightly altered PCEs. They might agree throughout, but differ on just a few places (and those places are usually important ones).

Then there is the &quot;Concord Edition&quot;, which is usually being printed today by Cambridge.

Reference — — Concord — — Pure Cambridge Edition
Genesis 24:57 — — enquire — — inquire
Exodus 23:23 — — the Hivites — — and the Hivites
Numbers 6:5 — — razor — — rasor
2 Samuel 18:29 — — Is the — — Is [italic] the
Ezra 2:26 — — Gaba — — Geba
Ezra 6:4 — — expenses — — expences
Isaiah 9:6 — — Counsellor — — Counseller
Jeremiah 32:5 — — prosper. — — prosper?
Ezekiel 47:3 — — ankles — — ancles
Mark 2:1 — — Capernaum after — — Capernaum, after
Acts 11:12 — — Spirit — — spirit
Acts 11:28 — — Spirit — — spirit
Romans 4:18 — — nations, according — — nations; according
1 Corinthians 15:27 — — saith all — — saith, all
1 John 5:8 — — Spirit — — spirit

There are other editions from Cambridge, such as the one with lower case &quot;spirit of God&quot; in Genesis 1:2 (lots of impurities in that edition!)

To find the comprehensive listing and tables, look in the draft of my book, &quot;Guide to the PCE&quot;.

The name of the edition is usually listed at the bottom of the title page, such as &quot;Pitt Minion&quot;, &quot;Concord&quot;, etc.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('715', 'a6e22dc75f', '', 'It has &quot;Royal Ruby Text&quot; at the bottom of the title page and matches the Concord, based on your list above.  

Is it possible that the Bible that was claimed to be a PCE on the other board was actually a &quot;stray&quot; in amongst the more common Concords?  He described it as having a zipper case, so it might not have as high a demand (old stock).

I wish I had seen your post about the communication from the company before I had ordered my copy.  I didn\'t need another less-than-useful copy.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('716', '6750c2dd24', '', 'Ruby means the typeface and the size.

I have many Ruby PCEs, which were produced by the multiple thousand by Cambridge for the British and Foreign Bible Society.

There was apparently some old stock of Bibles which were not fully Concords, but were closer to the PCE, but not PCEs as provided by Cambridge... these existed as late as about the year 2001. I suspect that what happened was that the editors in &quot;correcting&quot; (i.e. corrupting) the printing plates of the PCE for this certain edition, were using the Concord as the new master, but did not change every place because they were not aware of the differences, and so some were missed, and so it was a sort of PCE-Concord hybrid. I think they would no longer be available now (Cambridge seem to have been cutting back anyway in this anyway.) However, the fact remains that Cambridge have forsaken the PCE.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('717', '80a3b1144f', '8/10ths pure', 'Hi Brother Tim!
 You said: The Bible I received from RL Allan in Scotland was okay with the first 8 of the 10 checkpoints. Ezra 2:26 had &quot;Gaba&quot;. Are there other areas of differences if the above circumstances exist, or does this indicate that all of the other text will match the PCE?
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Even if one letter is wrong, is ample reason to know that there will be other variations and even errors in that same Bible.
It must be 100% to qualify as a PCE.
Gaba is a dead give away that it is not a PCE.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('718', '4ac82d0a6a', 'The Body of Christ is now the temple', 'The Lord demonstrated to us that the temple of the Old Covenant is no longer necessary, when the veil of the temple was destroyed by the power of God at the time of Christ\'s crucifixion. 

&quot;And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst. And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.&quot; (Luke 23:45, 46).

By doing this, God showed us that the temple building was no longer His dwelling place. It was rendered unnecessary. The Kingdom of God is within the hearts of believers and this is where He now dwells. Christians can come boldly to God\'s throne, washed clean by the Blood of Christ (Hebrews 4:16).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('719', '47e5886b9a', 'Hearing God', 'A vital key to hearing God is to spend time with Him in faith-filled prayer. God honours it, and it makes you more spiritually attentive to His voice. God would have us to listen to Him, but we have to quieten ourselves down and spend time in His presence. The devil\'s strategy is to occupy your time and your mind so that you would do anything else besides pray or read the Word.

A commitment made to honour God through prayer represents a drawing nigh to Him. &quot;Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you.&quot; (James 4:8a).

Also consider this: &quot;But without faith [i:47e5886b9a]it is[/i:47e5886b9a] impossible to please [i:47e5886b9a]him[/i:47e5886b9a][i:47e5886b9a]:[/i:47e5886b9a] for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and [i:47e5886b9a]that [/i:47e5886b9a]he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.&quot; (Hebrews 11:6).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('720', '5a456c5c7f', '', 'Peter, I understand that any error prevents the Bible from being called a PCE.  My intent was to determine if the 3 verses would be the only errors.  In that case, I would hand-modify the printing.  If I must search the entire book comparing with my PCE, I\'d rather not use the time.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('721', '3bf931f623', 'further details', 'Genesis 24:57 — — enquire — — inquire

Multiple times throughout, including other word forms, like enquiry/inquiry, etc.

Numbers 6:5 — — razor — — rasor 

Multiple times throughout.

Ezra 6:4 — — expenses — — expences 

Twice.

Isaiah 9:6 — — Counsellor — — Counseller 

Multiple times throughout: this is an example of changing the spelling for a name or title for God.

Ezekiel 47:3 — — ankles — — ancles 

Also ancle in Acts.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('722', '23fc011c63', 'The translation of the saints', 'In the Church Doctrinal Statement of Victory Faith Centre, the section &quot;Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ&quot; has: &quot;This will be in two stages — the first commonly known as the translation (rapture) or catching away of the saints (Matt. 24:39–42; 1 Thess. 4:16, 17) for the purpose of their judgments and rewards (2 Cor. 5:10), and the second, after the Great Tribulation period on Earth (Matt. 24:21, 22; Rev. 7:14), when the Lord Jesus Christ will return with vengeance (Zech. 14:3–15; Jude 14, 15; Rev. 19:11–21).&quot;

It is important to understand the translation of the saints of God because it relates directly to what happens with respect to the Church itself.

Christ promised to come to Earth the second time. &quot;And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.&quot; (John 14:3).

&quot;Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.&quot; (Revelation 1:7). The manner of His second coming is that it is visible. It does, however, have two components to it, namely the translation (rapture) of the saints for the Church to be joined with Him in the air, then the visible and wrathful return in vengeance with His saints to the Earth.

In this study, the translation of the saints will be examined specifically.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('723', '1989df3233', 'The translation of the saints', '&quot;For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.&quot; (1 Thessalonians 4:16,17).

This passage describes the future event where true Christians are &quot;caught up&quot; to &quot;meet the Lord in the air&quot;. Note that Christ at this time does not return to the Earth but the saints (ie. His people) are caught up to meet Him. This event is significant in history but are there other Biblical precedents? The answer is yes.

Before looking at the reason for the translation of the saints, consider the Biblical examples to understand that there have been other people who have [b:1989df3233]historically [/b:1989df3233]been translated (or caught up).

Enoch is one such example. &quot;By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.&quot; (Hebrews 11:5). We see also from this the Biblical word &quot;translation&quot; for the catching up process when people are taken physically from the Earth to meet the Lord. Thus, translation is not describing the process of death because it says that &quot;Enoch was translated that he should not see death&quot;.

Another example is Elijah\'s translation into Heaven. &quot;And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.&quot; (2 Kings 2:11). Elijah was still alive when he was taken to Heaven. It is likely that he will be one of the two witnesses of Revelation during the Great Tribulation (in accordance with the correct futurist view of prophecy and in addition to the historicist view of the two witnesses).

We have another wonderful example with the ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ. &quot;And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.&quot; (Acts 1:9).

These Biblical examples show us that the future translation of the saints should not be a surprise to Bible believing Christians.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('724', '0a9aaca156', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'Smith Wigglesworth says in his August 1914 sermon &quot;The confidence that we have in Him&quot; the following: &quot;We shall never get anywhere if we depend upon our feelings. There is something a thousand times better than feelings, and it is the naked Word of God.&quot;

The &quot;naked&quot; Word of God is open to us, so it is not mysteriously hidden in Greek meanings but in the plain readings of the King James Bible. Many have been seduced by the false scholarship that refuses to recognise that there is a final authority now in the Earth and that it is the King James Bible. This false scholarship will piously say that the KJB is wrong and the &quot;Greek actually says ...&quot; This is a prideful way and no Traditional Pentecostalist will rest in anything but an open, firm authority.

Feelings can\'t be the authority because they are like changing smoke. The great clouding of the authority of the Bible is because men refuse to spiritually love the truth, namely that God has indeed preserved His Word in the Earth today and it is the naked truth! In other words, it is not hidden.

The situation is this: God preserved His Word through preserving the key manuscripts and other sources necessary for it to then be placed into one final book, the Bible. Now that we have this one final Bible, this is the basis and authority.

The false scholarship of today that strives to come against the plain wording of the King James Bible is set up to be destroyed. &quot;As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.&quot; (2 Peter 3:16).

The false scholarship that refuses a final authority is an ever learning one. &quot;This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. ... Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.&quot; (2 Timothy 3:1,7). This prophecy is very appropriate and fits exactly to the day we are living in where modern versionists cannot come to the knowledge of the truth and are in such perilous circumstances that even their very faith is in jeopardy.

[b:0a9aaca156]Beware false scholarship[/b:0a9aaca156]: &quot;Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.&quot; (Luke 11:52).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('725', '12e5f6907c', 'Challenge: Where is the authority of Scripture today?', 'CANON

If we accept &quot;Protestant received tradition&quot; for the Canon, we have departed from the &quot;Hebrew&quot; and the &quot;Greek&quot;.

VERSION TEXT

If we accept that Protestant versions are valid gathered forms of various original manuscripts and their readings, and there are plenty of Greek gathered and critical editions about, then we are admitting that the English text must be at least as valid as the texts formed in the original languages.

Are labours ongoing, and never arriving (when, how and where will the text be finally settled)? Or, have labours by God\'s providence achieved the final text?

In other words, do we or do we not have the very words of God?

TRANSLATION SENSE

If we accept that the Word of God has come abroad to the Gentiles today, then we have to accept that the Word of God is not locked in the original languages.

Is the exact meaning only able to be discerned in the original languages, what is it, how is it divined, and when will it be manifest for the full Gospel to have gone forth into all the world? Or, has by God\'s providence the full meaning of the Scripture been transferred, sense-for-sense, into one principle form, accessible to the world today?

In other words, do we or do we not have the very message of God?

The spirit of error says that it is not possible to have the very words and very message of God in English. The King James Bible only person says that it is certain. Those who reject the proper King James Bible only view are actually agreeing with what the spirit of error stands for — unless the non-King James Bible only person can show where the exact words and message of God is today for the world today... and tomorrow.

See Proverbs 30:5, 6 (the exact words) and 2 Tim. 4:17 (the exact message) and Isaiah 34:16 (in one book).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('727', '35e2fc561c', 'The Protector, 27 April 2008', '[img:35e2fc561c]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:35e2fc561c]

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FALSE LEADERS AND EVIL HEARTS

On various occasions, false prophets and leaders can come as “pied pipers” to lead people astray. They have a deceptive message and all kinds of signs about them of their falseness, yet people follow them.

Why do people go after speakers of error? It is because God tests people, “And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.” (John 3:19). God knows people’s hearts, and He knows that because of their own evil heart, they love to hear and follow after evil.

False things can be quite “popular”. The more government and society is turned to such vanity, the worse things really are, and the more subject things are to evil forces and manipulation. “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” (2 Thess. 2:10).

However, the work of enemies is not eternal. “He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.” (Revelation 13:10).

Even though it seems as if Christians are attacked, and good things killed off, yet the persecutors themselves are to suffer. Likewise, the siege against the Church and propriety must reverse so that sin and wrong doers are under siege. This is a prophecy of a reversal that should happen in the history of nations.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('726', 'c0e155f0af', 'Other witnesses to PCE renderings', 'Here are some of the resources that the editor of the Pure Cambridge Edition would have had available circa 1900, besides the internal history of editions of the King James Bible. The following indicates whether the PCE reading is in the Geneva Version (G), Bishops\' Version (B), 1611 Edition (1611), Scrivener\'s Edition (S) or the Revised Version (RV). 

Reference — Impure rendering — Pure Cambridge Edition 
Genesis 10:7 — Sabtechah — Sabtecha B, 1611, S 
Genesis 25:4 — Abidah S — Abida G, B, 1611, RV 
Genesis 41:56 — and Joseph B, 1611, S, RV — And Joseph 
Genesis 46:12 — Zarah — Zerah G, 1611, S, RV 
Exodus 23:23 — the Hivites G, 1611, S, RV — and the Hivites 
Deuteronomy 32:8 — Most RV — most G, B, 1611, S 
Joshua 10:1 — Adoni-zedec B — Adoni-zedek G, 1611, S, RV 
Joshua 13:18 — Jahaza — Jahazah G, B, 1611, S 
Joshua 19:2 — and Sheba G — or Sheba 1611, S, RV 
Joshua 19:19 — Haphraim — Hapharaim G, B, 1611, S, RV 
Joshua 19:19 — Shihon — Shion G, 1611, S, RV 
1 Samuel 2:13 — priest’s custom — priests’ custom S 
1 Samuel 31:2 — Melchi-shua — Malchi-shua G, 1611, S, RV 
2 Samuel 5:14 — Shammuah — Shammua G, 1611, S, RV 
2 Samuel 21:21 — Shimeah — Shimea 1611, S 
2 Samuel 23:37 — Nahari — Naharai G, B, 1611, S, RV 
2 Kings 19:26 — house tops 1611, S — housetops G, RV 
1 Chronicles 1:38 — Ezar — Ezer G, B, 1611, S, RV 
1 Chronicles 2:47 — Gesham — Geshan G, 1611, S, RV 
1 Chronicles 2:49 — Achsa B — Achsah G, 1611, S, RV 
1 Chronicles 5:11 — Salcah — Salchah G, 1611, S 
1 Chronicles 7:1 — Shimrom — Shimron G, 1611, S, RV 
1 Chronicles 7:19 — Shemidah — Shemida G, 1611, S, RV 
1 Chronicles 7:27 — Jehoshuah — Jehoshua G, 1611, S 
1 Chronicles 14:10 — And wilt — and wilt G, B, 1611, S, RV 
1 Chronicles 23:20 — Micah RV — Michah G, 1611, S 
1 Chronicles 24:11 — Jeshuah — Jeshua G, 1611, S, RV 
2 Chronicles 20:36 — Ezion-gaber G, B, S — Ezion-geber 1611, RV 
2 Chronicles 33:19 — sins B — sin G, 1611, S, RV 
2 Chronicles 35:20 — Charchemish — Carchemish G, 1611, S, RV 
Ezra 2:2 — Mizpar S — Mispar G, B, 1611, RV 
Ezra 2:26 — Gaba G, 1611, S — Geba B, RV 
Ezra 4:10 — Asnapper — Asnappar G, B, 1611, S 
Nehemiah 7:30 — Gaba G — Geba B, 1611, S, RV 
Job 30:6 — cliffs — clifts 1611, S 
Psalm 107:27 — wit’s S — wits’ RV 
Psalm 148:8 — vapours G, B — vapour 1611, S, RV 
Song of Sol. 6:12 — Ammi-nadib S — Amminadib 
Isaiah 37:27 — house tops G, B, 1611 — housetops S, RV 
Jeremiah 32:5 — prosper. G, B, 1611, S — prosper? RV 
Jeremiah 34:16 — whom he had set — whom ye had set G, B, 1611, S, RV 
Amos 2:2 — Kirioth — Kerioth G, 1611, S, RV 
Nahum 3:16 — fleeth B — flieth G, 1611, S, RV 
Matthew 26:39 — farther B — further G, 1611, S 
Matthew 27:46 — ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI S — Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani G, B, 1611, RV 
Mark 2:1 — Capernaum after 1611, S, RV — Capernaum, after 
Mark 5:41 — TALITHA CUMI S — Talitha cumi G, B, 1611, RV 
Mark 7:34 — EPHPHATHA S — Ephphatha G, B, 1611, RV 
Acts 11:28 — Spirit G, RV — spirit B, 1611, S 
Romans 4:19 — Sarah’s RV — Sara’s S 
Romans 9:9 — Sarah RV — Sara G, B, 1611, S 
1 Corinthians 4:15 — instructers — instructors 1611, S 
1 John 5:8 — Spirit 1611, S, RV — spirit G, B 
Revelation 2:6 — Nicolaitanes G — Nicolaitans B, 1611, S, RV 
Revelation 21:20 — chrysolyte — chrysolite G, B, 1611, S, RV 

Overall, the weight does favour the PCE, most especially the 1611. 

The most &quot;minority&quot; renderings of the PCE are listed as follows. None of these &quot;minority&quot; PCE renderings are without attestation. 

Genesis 41:56 — And Joseph 
Has the agreement of many 1769-following editions: common current KJB attestation. 

Exodus 23:23 — and the Hivites 
1612 Quartros, 1616, 1629, etc., (not Oxfords after 1817); common historical KJB attestation. 

Ezra 2:26 — Geba 
Bishops\' and probably all modern versions; very old and universal modernist attestation. 

Song of Sol. 6:12 — Amminadib 
Found in old Cambridge editions following the 1769 Edition; recent traditional attestation. 

Jeremiah 32:5 — prosper? 
Found in modern Oxford editions; recent traditional attestation. 

Mark 2:1 — Capernaum, after 
Found in old Cambridge editions following the 1769 edition; recent traditional attestation. 

1 John 5:8 — spirit 
Usual from 1769, Oxford turned to &quot;Spirit&quot; in the late 1800s; common historical attestation. 

There are differing reasons for the correctness of each of the various cases listed above. However, overall, the common reason why they are all correct is because they are together in an edition which is shown to be correct at every place. Even if a very full explanation could not be made for some of the points, if the PCE is accepted as correct at every other place, must be correct at these places also.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('728', '739915c46b', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'Pentecostal commentator, Dake, in his annotations on Scripture, defended the last verses of Mark as genuine, and in stated concerning the King James Bible, “It has been the most popular and accepted version of the English speaking world from that day until now. There have been several revised versions since then, and a number of Bibles in the so-called modern English, but none have been as well accepted and as lasting as the King James version [sic] — and perhaps never will be”. (Dake’s, 1980, page 520).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('729', 'faeeac16c3', 'Preservation, inspiration and textual perfection', 'It is argued by those against the King James Bible only view that this view is inconsistent with Scripture itself. However, it is actually not inconsistent with Scripture, and oftentimes, anti-KJBO writers are imposing their own interpretations or selectively using KJBO writings as representatives of the whole. (There are different types of KJBOs, see http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20 )

I refute some portions of quotes from Rick Norris, a particular anti-KJBO writer, who I take as a good representative of the anti-side. In this case, I wish to discuss the idea of preservation, inspiration and textual perfection.

Norris says, “When a view such as the KJV-only view attempts to apply preservation to English translations, it must also explain how that preservation applies to translations in other languages.”

First of all, let us look at the King James Bible doctrine of preservation. Preservation is NOT saying that the whole Bible has remained intact from the autographs to today. If that was literally true, then at any time in history people would be able to see a perfect Bible. The truth is that copies generally were either partial or contained various copying errors, and that versions in other languages contained slight differences, and that not one version agrees with another. In all this, the Word of God was always present, first because any particular version or copy might be considered good enough to be used as a Bible (except perhaps for a few corrupt ones), and second, because collectively, that is, in all the scattered forms, the Word of God was present, because it could be potentially collected, gathered and discerned. Thus, in the Reformation this literally took place in the production of the original language printings (Received Text), as well as in the succession of Protestant versions, particularly the cumulative effect of English ones.

Therefore, while the Scripture may be said to be preserved in the original languages until the Reformation, it was first in a fragmentary form, secondly never in a final, finite form, and third, requiring witness beyond the original languages. The Gospel was supposed to go to the Gentiles, so it came forth in Italian, French, German and English. Preservation of the Word requires that it come together in a final form: one Word going to the whole world. Therefore, preservation is operating within a providential continuum, so that the final form is one version for the whole world in one language. This does not negate any valid manuscript in the originals, nor any valid Textus Receptus edition, nor any valid foreign translation, nor any valid English version, but it does mean that there is a final form, the end product of the preservation.

When Norris argues that preservation should apply to other languages (because the Word is in other languages), he is correct only to the point where there is a providential limitation. That is, that God has never stipulated that the Gospel should be always in all languages, but rather, for all in one language. In fact, Revelation 10:11 indicates that a singular witness (the King James Bible) is reaching persons of other tongues (e.g. Spanish), which means that the Spanish-speakers must in time somehow hear the King James Bible. Again, Revelation 14:6 indicates that a singular witness (the King James Bible) must come to people of other tongues (e.g. Spanish), which means that the Spanish-speakers must be able to comprehend the English Bible. How is this possible, except that the world has English as a common language, and that the true preachers are using the Bible which God has providentially supplied, which is conducive with the common language.

Norris says, “The KJV-only view would seem to make God responsible for the actual existing differences between the KJV, the Peshitta Syriac Bible, Luther\'s German Bible, the Spanish Bible, the French Bible, the Dutch Bible, etc.”

Inasmuch as God created the waster to destroy, or allowed for corruptions or scattering to take place in the history of the Word of God, which was according to the foreknowledge of God, nevertheless, God rather has worked or allowed the manifestation of the purification, which includes gathering, and that one Bible in one language becomes the best and supreme form of all.

Norris asks, “Would KJV-only reasoning suggest that God did not and does not do enough for believers who do not speak English?”

In that the world is turning to English as the common language, and that the Gospel is yet present, and that the King James Bible is come into its manifestation of glory, surely God is allowing for people of other languages to have the perfect form of His Word. (The perfect form is different but related to the perfect quality of the Scripture: the perfect quality is in the message and nature of Scripture, the perfect form means the exact text and exact meaning being conveyed.)

Norris asks, “Do holders of a KJV-only view think that God is not as faithful to keep His promises to believers that do not speak English as they claim he must be to those who speak English after 1611?”

Actually, God is extremely faithful in keeping His Word, and providing it in a perfect form. The truth is that the world has access to this final form, and that having grown up in a foreign country or not having English as a first language is no excuse. God’s blessing is there to turn people to English so that they may turn to the pure Bible English.

Norris accuses, “If God\'s preservation means that one translation from the TR must be inspired, inerrant, exact, and perfect, does it not mean that the same applies to all other translations from this same text?”

This is where there is a fundamental error, which is to claim something which a normal, proper and sound King James Bible only person does not believe: the King James Bible was not made by inspiration. Nor was any edition of the TR inspired. Only the autographs were inspired, and there are many copies, translations and versions which do not match textually exactly perfectly to the words of inspiration, nevertheless, the potential was there: and by the providence of God, through wise and godly man using their discretion and judgment, the exact text of the Scripture was formulated in one English translation, being the exact text (word perfect) and the exact sense without addition or subtraction to the original inspired writing, though it were done in English in 1604-1611. Only ONE purified form would result from preservation, because only ONE perfect text was given in inspiration. Thus, ONE Scripture inspired would result in ONE Scripture (i.e. Bible version) that would be final, exact, certain, pure and standard for the whole world before the end. It is utterly false to think that perfection is only in the autographs. Likewise, in practice, perfection has never been found in many versions and/or translations. But it (i.e. textual and translational perfection) has been manifest in one, though many other copies, versions and translations were quite acceptable and have had their rightful place. We do not condemn intermediate copies or other translations: but there is obviously one final, supersuccessionary form.

Norris writes, “The early English translators including even the KJV translators and many Bible-believers from A. D. 100 until 1610 and even to the 1800\'s did not find that the doctrine of preservation taught a KJV-only view.”

The proper doctrine of preservation is not the one which Norris claims is held by us. First, that the Church has not had exactly perfect doctrine in the period specified, but that there has been a growth in revelation and growing up, second, that when people did not have an articulated view of preservation (the Spirit of God obviously was not leading them in that way until the right time) and thirdly, that the King James Bible view is actually based on and the product of the working of the Spirit through the Church by sound tradition.

The issue as to where the Word of God was in finite form at any historical time was not the particular concern of the Church, and nor was it manifest, but its manifestation occurred (in 1611), after which it became specifically recognised as the final form. This recognition was in part “unconscious”, and more and more fully articulated over the years, whereas now the revelation of it is clear to certain in the Church.

Norris asks, “How does the KJV-only view maintain that God kept His Word perfectly preserved and accessible when it also seems to imply that no one had all of it until 1611, 1769, 1850, or 1900?”

But God kept His Word despite it being scattered, from the time of the Early Church until the present. As to it being in one volume exactly one correct text, this occurred in 1611, and as for it being recognised and its actual presentational perfection seen and known, this was only after the year 2000. Were the people in 1999 without the pure Word because they did not recognise to the level that we now see? Were the people in a Spanish country without the Word of God, because people did not realise that God intended that the King James Bible itself should be preached to them? At this very present time, God is not limited in reaching people, though they be ignorant, deceived or rejecting these things.

Norris says, “The guiding of the Holy Spirit which KJV-only advocates recognize in the KJV is of exactly the same sort as the guiding of the Spirit in the earlier English translations.”

Actually, while the same Spirit has worked consistently from the inspiration to the present, there are stages also:

WORD IN HEAVEN FROM GENESIS 1:1; ON EARTH:

I. INSPIRATION
Each book individually textually perfect, not altogether in one volume, in Hebrew or Greek.

II. EARLY COPIES
Books gathered, various copies with textual deviances, in Hebrew or Greek. (E.g. Dead Sea Scrolls, but the book Jesus used in Luke 4:17 was probably correct if Hebrew, or else, correct at that place at least if he was using the LXX.)

III. EARLY VERSIONS
Scripture translated into other languages, each with textual and translational differences.

IV. LATER COPIES AND VERSIONS
A mass of original language copies, fragments, partial, many with textual variations; a mass of Latin editions, other witnesses, with families of textual and translational differences.

V. PRINTED VERSIONS
Gathered editions of Greek and of Hebrew, with critical apparatus; various Latin editions; various Protestant translations.

VI. KING JAMES BIBLE
Final textual form, exact translation in English: gathered largely from III to V.

VII. PURE CAMBRIDGE EDITION
Exact, word perfect presentation in English without typographical error or any other impurity of the King James Bible.

Note that the same Spirit has operated consistently and successively. Obviously, there could not be a common “word perfect Bible” in the days when scribes were handwriting copies in scriptoriums.

Norris argues, “There is no respect of persons with God (Rom. 2:11, Acts 10:34). God does not change (Mal. 3:6).”

Actually, God respects those who have faith. He certainly does regard various nations differently. And that God does being changeless does not mean that He deals with everyone the same (e.g. Canaanites), or that He gives everyone the same gifts (e.g. in the Church), or that He saves everyone from perdition (e.g. Judas and many antichrists). Obviously, changelessness is in regard to God’s nature (mercies), God’s truth (judgments) and the availability of salvation to any who will ask for it (promises).

Norris asks, “Do the Scriptures actually teach that the guiding or illuminating of the Spirit was different for the KJV translators than it was and is for all believing translators?”

Since the Church has progressed through different periods, and since different men and raised up of God and called to do different things, so is it that the KJB translators were different from other translators like William Tyndale.

Norris points out, “The guiding or illuminating of the Holy Spirit did not make the KJV translators perfect in their understanding of the Scriptures as seen in the Church of England doctrines they believed.”

This is true, nevertheless, while they were not used of God to establish “doctrines, tenants and creeds”, they were used to give the Word in final perfection in English.

Norris says, “Holders of the KJV-only view seem to disregard the many passages of Scripture that indicate that no men without the miracle of direct inspiration are perfect or infallible interpreters, copiers, or translators.”

Jesus said that the Jews were gods, and if the New Testament is better than the Old, it is possible that God does use people whom He chooses in various ways at any time He wills. Perfection does not require inspiration. Many verses in the Bible talk about Christians being perfect and having perfect works. Surely it is because they actually believe that it is Christ in them!

Norris says, “If the KJV translators are granted exhaustive, comprehensive, and perfect knowledge for translating without any divine inspiration, they seem to be granted omniscience that places them essentially in the position of God.”

No man by himself is omniscient, and since the Bible is finite (it does not contain all knowledge, only the sufficient communication of knowledge from God to mankind, certainly sufficient for faith for salvation), it is entirely possible for a person to be used of God. And those learned men who made the King James Bible were used of God, but God’s use of them was providential, not inspirational. In other words, collectively they had excelling sufficient learning and judgment in the Scripture to be able to bring it forth perfectly, especially because they were able to lay hold on all the various witnesses and evidences which the Holy Ghost had brought out of history and afforded to them at that time. In short, they were the right men at the right time in the right place that knew the right things so as to rightly select the text of the Word which matched exactly to the long lost autographs as was attested to only by copies, and were able to rightly translate it, sense for sense, without deviation, without addition or subtraction, and without any substitution of the sense, so that what we have today is the Word of God, now set forth to be the Word of God for the world, to be presented by the myriad, yet in one standard, agreeing, central and universal form.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('730', '9ba28fcfab', 'The Prosperous Church', 'Christians should know of the wonderful mercy of the Lord. This extends to His blessings to those who are poor and needy. His will is not that they stay poor and needy but that they trust in Him to be their helper and provider.

&quot;He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, [i:9ba28fcfab]and [/i:9ba28fcfab]lifteth the needy out of the dunghill; That he may set [i:9ba28fcfab]him [/i:9ba28fcfab]with princes, [i:9ba28fcfab]even [/i:9ba28fcfab]with the princes of his people.&quot; (Psalm 113:7,8). The reality is that those in poverty should call upon the Lord and look to Him for their salvation, which includes deliverance from their destructive poverty. &quot;This poor man cried, and the LORD heard [i:9ba28fcfab]him[/i:9ba28fcfab], and saved him out of all his troubles.&quot; (Psalm 34:6). &quot;But I [i:9ba28fcfab]am [/i:9ba28fcfab]poor and needy; [i:9ba28fcfab]yet [/i:9ba28fcfab]the Lord thinketh upon me: thou [i:9ba28fcfab]art [/i:9ba28fcfab]my help and my deliverer; make no tarrying, O my God.&quot; (Psalm 40:17).

In fact, the righteous are to help the poor through their giving. &quot;He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.&quot; (Proverbs 19:17). What a wonderful promise!

Our salvation in God is an all inclusive one, not just salvation from going to Hell. It covers the blessings and deliverance that God provides the righteous in this life. God is our deliverer (see 2 Samuel 22:2).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('731', '956e90b2ef', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'Biblical preaching must come from the wisdom of God. Thus, it is very important for the preacher to seek God as to what He wants to say. The Biblical preacher must have &quot;the tongue of the wise&quot;.

&quot;There is that speaketh like the piercings of a sword: but the tongue of the wise [i:956e90b2ef]is [/i:956e90b2ef]health.&quot; (Proverbs 12:18). Biblical preaching is all about building up the people of God, edifying the Church, and bringing people into relationship with the Lord. The health imparted from the tongue of the wise is that strength that comes from the power of the Word of God preached to bring faith into people\'s hearts (see Romans 10:17).

&quot;The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.&quot; (Proverbs 15:2). Biblical preaching imparts knowledge from God Himself, namely from His Word. Preaching is empty if the Bible is neglected. True knowlege comes from the Bible, so this must not be neglected. Fools neglect godly wisdom.

Godly wisdom is so very important in Biblical preaching. &quot;But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, [i:956e90b2ef]and [/i:956e90b2ef]easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.&quot; (James 3:17). We can see from this that wonderful blessings come from the wisdom of God being imparted to the Church.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('732', '262f91e1b4', 'The translation of the saints', 'There is a great outpouring of the wrath of God coming upon the planet Earth. This is the culmination of the judgment on the wickedness of man in the last days. Men indeed are expecting it: “And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?” (Revelation 6:15-17).

“For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” (Matthew 24:21). This “great tribulation” means that the destruction upon Earth will be great with much disruption to the proceedings of man. “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness” (Romans 1:18).

Those in the Kingdom of God are the people of God and, therefore, come under the protection of God from His wrath. The people of God have trusted in Christ as the propitiation for sin – Christ was the payment to apease God’s wrath as a result of judgment on sin. Thus, true Christians (ie. those who have repented of sin and received Christ as their Saviour from sin and its consequences) have a wonderful promise in God. “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” (Romans 5:9). “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.” (1 Thessalonians 5:9,10).

The major reason for the translation of the saints from the Earth is for them to be with Christ whilst the wrath of God is poured out upon the Earth for a time. At the end of that time, Christ will return physically to Earth with His saints.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('733', '4230d55efd', 'The Authority is in/with the KJB', 'It is altogether incorrect to think that authority cannot be presented by the King James Bible.

1. Autographical and Canonical authority. Since the Word of God was not just true in the Autographs, and it is supposed to go forth to the whole world, and since the Autographs are lost, and we only have copies, the very same truth must be yet present today. God has worked through the setting up of proper traditions in the Church concerning truth.

2. Textual authority. If every word of God is pure, surely there must be one final text where this promise is actually manifest in the Earth. Since no present copy in the original languages is altogether the whole Bible perfectly, authority cannot rest on the original language presentations. However, there must be one Bible which is the correct text. This is because one Bible gathers together from all the copies and judges what is the exact text, and presents it altogether in one version.

3. Conceptual and translational authority. There is a lie which says that the exact meaning cannot go from the original languages into other languages. If that were true, the Word of God never went to the Gentiles, and never came to us. However, the full sense of the Scripture must be present today in English via translation. (There is only one correct English translation.)

4. Divine and Sovereign Authority. God is all-powerful, and able to get His Word to the whole world. There is no reason why He cannot use one Bible to reach the world in one language. (Therefore, the trend must be to get all Christians to use the King James Bible.)

5. Providential and manifest authority. God\'s works are perfect. God does things exactly right, and fulfils His promises. Therefore it is right and proper that the King James Bible, as the final form of the Word of God for the world which has English as its global language. God must actually manifest the exact and right Word for the world in one form because He promised it.

6. Scientific and reasonable authority. English is fixed globally. The English language has come into a broad place, where it is essentially fixed as the global language. Therefore, the King James Bible as it is is now and into the future conversant with a basically fixed language. English cannot now change beyond itself. Therefore, there will not be a time when the Bible as it is now finalised will not be conducive to an English-speaker. English is not evolving into another language, and now it cannot even alter beyond certain parameters. It must for ever remain constant enough for all the different cultures/dialects/individuals to be able to use it universally!

7. Final and spiritual authority. The King James Bible is final. Since the purification of editions of the King James Bible has finalised, there can never be another revision, alteration or change of even one punctuation mark from now on. Received tradition cannot be violated. There is never to be, as J. W. Burgon prophetically recognised in 1882, another authorised Version. The true Church historically accepted the King James Bible, and the true remnant today hold it. The purification and processes of refinement lead toward one final supersuccessionary thing.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('734', '806dd3152a', 'Is the KJB &quot;Authorized&quot;?', 'The reason why the King James Bible is called the Authorized Version is because:

1. British monarchs did authorise English Bibles,

2. King James authorise the making of another ENglish Bible,

3. The Anglican hierarchy accepted the King James Bible,

4. Christians generally and throughout subsequent history have accepted the King James Bible, and

5. God’s has continued to bless and uphold the King James Bible, indicating that the authority behind it has ultimately derived from Him (which is where kings and Christians get their power from anyway).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('735', '3bb0be275c', 'The Protector, 4 May 2008', '[img:3bb0be275c]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:3bb0be275c]

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From time to time, false accusations are made against people of God. This includes the Bible Protector ministry. Jesus said, “Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.” (Matthew 5:11, 12).

King James is slandered in various biographies of his life. Yet this was the man who for the highest motives ordered the making of the Bible version which bears his name.

Oliver Cromwell is made into the worst tyrant in British history, yet this was the man who did more for freedom and the Bible than probably anyone in Protestant history.

The apostle Paul knew that there were false brethren about, and wolves, but he never let that get in the way of the Gospel. He wrote, “By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true” (2 Corinthians 6:8). It appeared to some as if the Christians were deceivers, a false interpretation could be built up. Nevertheless, the truth shone forth.

The source and spiritual power backing evil speaking is Satan. The spirit of antichrist is working through the figurehead of the Roman false church. The power of Christ, by the lively weapon of the Word of truth, is able to expose the lies and consume away the enemy.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('736', 'ee88856a41', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'Some modernist Pentecostals say, &quot;The modern version issue is a diversion from preaching Christ. The Spirit of God can lead people through many different versions.&quot;

However, those who say this are on very shaky grounds and neglect the Bible itself with these statements. We must remember that the Holy Ghost speaks and has put down the exact words of God in that speaking - to disregard this is to disregard the work of the Holy Ghost in bringing the Word of God to mankind. &quot;For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.&quot; (2 Peter 1:21).

The Holy Ghost speaks through the Bible given: &quot;... as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness&quot; (Hebrews 3:7,8). &quot;While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.&quot; (Hebrews 3:15).

Questions need to be asked of feeling-led &quot;Pentecostals&quot;:
(1) How does the Holy Ghost speak today? It must be through the very Word of God (and men speaking in accordance with this). The Holy Ghost agrees always with the Word of God preached and acts as faith comes through the Word of God received. &quot;While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.&quot; (Acts 10:44).
(2) Do we need the exact Word of God? The warning is clear not to compromise: &quot;And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.&quot; (Revelation 22:19). The fact is that tampering with the Word of God has drastic consequences for all who would partake of this. It is the reason why false converts are filling many places. There are many hard hearts where the Word is stolen from men\'s hearts and a pure Bible does not have weeds unlike the devilish modern versions. &quot;And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.&quot; (Mark 4:15).

The King James Bible is the only Bible that is pure, despite the attacks levelled against it. Hence, it is the one Bible that the Holy Ghost will back to the end of the world.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('737', '4f92b495f1', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', 'The Bible reveals that God is compassionate and merciful, and cares about those who are unwell and suffering from physical afflictions. Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil - including sickness, disease and infirmity amongst God\'s people. We can look at people in the Bible and learn from them, specifically how they trusted in and received healing from God. An example is Bartimæus, who called upon Christ to heal him from blindness in Mark 10:46-52.

Things we can learn from Bartimæus include:

1 He called upon the Lord Jesus Christ, in such faith that he stopped the    Lord Jesus and got His attention.
2 He cried loudly and persistently to God despite others telling him to stop.
3 He cast off his beggar\'s garment and came to Jesus ready to receive his healing.
4 Jesus asked him plainly what it was he wanted.
5 Bartimæus knew what he wanted to receive, and believed Jesus had the power and the compassion to heal him.
6 Christ told him that his faith had made him whole, and he received his sight.

We need to have that same tenacity, persistence and faith that Bartimæus demonstrated. Jesus will heal you from infirmity just as He healed Bartimæus.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('738', '78a1980f0a', 'Historical revisionism and accusations against the KJB', 'Brief answers to some common accusations against the KJB.

I. The accusation that some of the translators were drunks

The accusation, made by Adam Nicolson in &quot;Power and Glory&quot; (page 99),
that Richard Thompson (just one translator) was a drunkard, is based
on the historical account of one extreme Puritan called William
Prynne. It is usual that those against the KJB will go out of their
way to quote this single source.

Nicolson takes a giant leap, on page 192, he says, &quot;The eccentric
Bedwell, and drunk pornographer Thompson...&quot;

This is called historical revisionism. It is in line with the
sensational reporting that the smallest unreliable details of badness
be blown up to make the godly men the worst that ever lived. Just
look at how King James is made into a tyrant and child abuser!

II. The accusation that Archbishop Bancroft, in making some last
minute changes, basically introduced translation errors in the King
James Bible

The story is that the Archbishop, Bancroft, made some last minute
changes to the King James Bible, to ensure that &quot;Episcopal words&quot;
were used... this event is supposed to have happened in 1610.

This is what the fairer judgment of Alister McGrath, 2001, &quot;In the
Beginning&quot;, page 188 states, &quot;Smith complained loudly to anyone that
might listen that Bancroft had introduced fourteen changes in the
final text without any consultation. Yet we remain unclear as to what
those alleged changes might have been.&quot; Take note of what certainty
there is in this matter.

If we examine the situation in the 1650s, it is vastly different from
that in 1610/1611. First of all, in the 1650s, the Laudian and post-
Laudian Anglican hierarchy was seen as suspect, and called &quot;prelacy&quot;
or &quot;episcopacy&quot;. There were many Puritans who would attack the idea
of Bishops themselves (already a major platform in the 1630s), and
certainly a minority of Puritans had trouble accepting the King James
Bible.

This accusation (that Bancroft altered the King James Bible) is at
least third hand, and not unbiased. I mean, that it is recorded in
histories like McClure, Norton, Bobrick or Nicolson, which is largely
based on the testimony of Henry Jessey, which in turn is his
recounting of Miles Smith\'s story. Each party uses the story for its
own ends, and presents it according to its own bias. Norton and
Nicolson have a clear agenda against the King James Bible, and will
take every opportunity (whether by design or otherwise) to present it
in as frail, haphazard, human and error-ridden as it seems. Whereas,
some are more positive, or more neutral-balanced. Therefore, the
present anti-King James Bible poster whom you are debating is casting
aspersions (introducing doubts) while relying on biased
reconstructions of the information (e.g. Adam Nicolson is a real spin
doctor, and sensationalism overweighs facts, according to him, one of
the translators was a drunkard and a pornographer, etc. etc.)

As for Henry Jessey... whist believing the King James Bible to
be &quot;the best of any translation in the world&quot;, was mistaken to
believe that the exact truth was in the Hebrew only, and that the
pure language in the latter times as foretold by the prophet
Zephaniah was Hebrew. Jessey in many ways rejected moderate
Puritanism and spoke against Oliver Cromwell. Jessey was a leading
figure in the extremist group called the &quot;Fifth Monarchy Men&quot;, which
is similar to Dominion Theology, which basically stated that
the &quot;Saints&quot; should take over the world, and go fight against the
antichrist system (including anyone who disagreed with them,
including other Puritans, Anglicans, Papists and Atheists), and usher
in the Kingdom of Christ upon the Earth.

To say that Jessey was &quot;a Baptist Bible scholar&quot; is like saying that
Benny Hinn presents Traditional Pentecostalism, or that Billy Graham
represents Southern Baptist doctrines.

Now to examine the matter of changes. Miles Smith and Thomas Bilson
were supposed to edit the final draft of the King James Bible. Their
editorial work was to ensure to iron out any problems, ensure that
the will of the Bishops and King was carried out, and to make sure
that the work was finalised. This was entirely proper. Now, whether
individual translators objected to particular differences, whether
they were on the grounds of their particular views, this is likely,
but no great outcry was raised. For example, Richard Brett\'s
apparently did object to some of the Bishops\' alterations. This
should be seen in the light of Brett\'s living until 1637, and was
therefore contemporary with the Puritan anti-Laud, anti-Bishop
sentiment of that day, which was not developed in 1610/1611.
Secondly, that the report of translator Brett\'s objections to the
Bishops\' changes is dated to about 1650. By this time the Puritans
were in power and the Bishops were gone. That these accusations come
from the 1650s is more about the Puritan anti-Bishop spin, and
possible attack on the King James Bible, rather than emphasis on the
contemporary situation. (The arch-Puritan report to the hyper-
Calvinist Synod of Dort, 1618, was nothing but high praise for the
King James Bible.)

If it is a fact that Bancroft made 14 changes, we do not know what
they were, but they were certainly for the better. It is Puritan
extremists from around 1650 who are making the charge that Bancroft
made the changes in favour of prelacy. For example, anti-KJB writers
may quote that &quot;Bancroft\'s zeal was that of bigoted attachment to
prelacy, fierce even to persecution and cruel proscription&quot;. This is
an exaggeration. Bancroft was not Laud. It is in fact a statement
taken by present anti-King James Bible people from scholars who are
drawing their history from a variety of sources, who are taking the
tainted testimony of extremist Puritans from around the 1650s to
describe the King James Bible, to cast doubt upon it, and to attempt
to show that it was hopelessly corrupt.

Jessey and others should be seen for what they were. Jessey did
indeed work to &quot;produce a new translation of the Scriptures&quot; which
means he essentially REJECTED the King James Bible!

After Parliament won the Civil Wars, some of the extreme Puritans
wished to make a new Presbyterian Church of England. They also
planned to reintroduce the Geneva Version as the standard in public
worship, and had already begun by producing the King James Bible with
Geneva notes. This did not take hold in the country due to strong
competition with the last version, the King James Bible, so they
attempted to initiate a new translation. However, both attempts to do
this were stopped by Oliver Cromwell, the first by his dissolving of
Parliament, the second by his Parliamentary reforms. It was the
extremists (of various forms), not the moderate Puritans, who wanted
to replace the King James Bible, men such as, John Lightfoot (1602-
1675), Henry Jessey (1601-1663) and Robert Gell (1659).

Parliament passed a Bill in 1653, and even had a sub-committee
preparing for a new Bible version. But Parliament was forcibly
prorogued by Oliver Cromwell before anything could be done. This
unlooked for providence ensured that the King James Bible remained
stable and intact. The Cromwellian Parliament once again set up
another sub-committee chaired by Bulstrode Whitelocke to investigate
the possibility of a revision to the King James Bible, &quot;that it be
referred to a committee to send for and advise with Dr Walton, Dr
Cudworth and others such as they should think fit, and to consider of
the translations and impressions of the Bible and to offer their
opinions therein&quot;, which never amounted to anything. The work &quot;became
fruitless by the Parliament\'s Dissolution&quot;. &quot;But a movement toward a
drastic revision intended to displace the version entirely, was well
under way when the Commonwealth collapsed and the Stuarts restored in
1660.&quot; Some reports as to how advanced this sub-committee was, in
making drastic alterations to the King James Bible, were probably
exaggerated; nevertheless, it shows that there were certain in the
Commonwealth and under the Protectorate who were agitating for the
replacement of the King James Bible. These matters had to come to an
end, otherwise a new incorrect version might actually have been
begun.

The facts seem to indicate that Bancroft personally did ensure that
the words &quot;bishop&quot; and &quot;bishoprick&quot; were placed where they are now.
There is no problem in this, since that is the correct translation,
and has been accepted by millions of Christians, with very little
serious objection. (The objections of circa 1650 were more political
than anything else.) While Americans and Australians may empathise
and draw much from the English Civil Wars, we do not view our King
James Bible as in error. We also disavow ourselves of the notions of
the extreme Purtians, but heartily agree and build upon the notions
of the sound and moderate men of God in that day who excelled far in
the Lord\'s work.

To claim that Archbishop Bancroft\'s 1610 changes in this regard were
against &quot;the inspired translators&quot; is utterly foolish. Of course the
translators were not inspired, and his input stands today. We readily
welcome that various persons perfected the text and translation of
the King James Bible from 1604-1611. (There is another common myth
how that the &quot;fat monks&quot; who translated for the &quot;child abuser&quot; King
James were afraid to translate properly, and also that they had him
virtually &quot;slobbering and leering&quot; over their shoulders making sure
that they did the work the way he wanted.)

What we are really observing is the biased presentation of history.
It is already a wild accusation to claim that the King James Bible
was tainted for political and power reasons in 1610. Thus, by the
time we come to 2008, anti-King James Bible people are willing to
jump on the opinion of an obscure Presbyterian and of a Fifth
Monarchist Bible Revisionist, to selectedly quote from a myriad of
later historical works which quote this, and then make the leap that
this may have affected the word &quot;Easter&quot;...

It needs to be straight in our minds. What is more important, the
opinions of certain Puritan, Presbyterian or Baptist scholars,
commentators and revisionists? or that God used Anglican Bishops to
give us His pure Word? You see the propaganda: Puritan good, Anglican
bad... actually, there are good and bad Anglicans, and good and bad
Puritans.

There are all kinds of stories around, such as that Shakespeare did
this, or that translator Richard Kilby said that, or that this or
that &quot;typographical error&quot; was not really a typographical error. Let
me say that this area is absolutely plagued with deception. Truth
will prevail. The reason why some King James Bible people are turned
is because they are believing errors or have false suppositions.
There are people who are out to hunt people\'s souls in this area. Be
ware.

III. The accusation that King James Bible is not &quot;authorised&quot;

There are questions whether King James the First really authorised
the version, based on the &quot;fact&quot; that the Bible of &quot;1611 has never
claimed to be `authorized.\'&quot;, yet the title page bears the
words: &quot;HIS MAJESTY\'S SPECIAL COMMAND&quot;. William Eyre wrote to James
Ussher, &quot;In my absence from Cambridge, there was an order taken from
the King\'s Majesty by the Archbishop of Canterbury that the
translation of the Bible shall be finished and printed as soon as may
be.&quot; The notes from the Hampton Court conference where the
translation was first proposed recorded that King James said: &quot;I
profess I could never yet see a Bible well translated in English; but
I think that of all, that of Geneva is the worst. I wish some special
pains were taken for an uniform translation, which should be done by
the best learned in both universities, then reviewed by the bishops,
presented to the privy council, and lastly to be ratified by royal
authority, to be read in the whole church, and no other.&quot; The written
authorisation is thought to have been lost, burnt in the fire of
Whitehall (1618). Collins Bibles have &quot;Printed by Authority&quot; on the
front page (though this could refer to Queen Victoria\'s 1839
Authorising, or the reissuance by successive monarchs, all of whom
descend from James the First). &quot;The ultimate success of the new Bible
would owe much to the enthusiasm of James. Published by royal
authority, it `swept forward with a majestic stream of editions\' — in
folio, quarto, and octavo — which eventually left all its rivals
behind.&quot;

IV. The accusation that some translators were only in it for the money

A later reporter, Dr Walker, claimed that one of the translators,
Andrew Downes, had to be threatened to join the Seventh Company, and
that King James had to pay him an incentive of £50. Clearly, if
Andrew Downes was being threatened against his will, he would not
have been paid for his work. Also, it is hard to extrapolate that
Downes was money minded, since the payment was quite justifiable. In
the face of all likelihood that King James did indeed contribute
toward the production of the Bible, there are some historians who
dispute this (because of their doctrinal biases).

V. The accusation that some translators were self absorbed

It is claimed that Lancelot Andrewes did not like his fellow
translators. However, there is only one comment from 1604 about this,
where he calls them negligent, and this would only be because of the
slowness to get things started, not because Andrewes was full of self-
glory.

VI. The true story about Richard Kilby

A story of one the translators, Richard Kilby, in his encounter with
a preacher at Derbyshire who claimed there was an error in the King
James Bible, is also altered. Instead of Kilby saying that there was
only two different ways a word could have been translated, the
exaggerated story speaks of Kilby stating that the translators
discussed thirteen different readings or possible translations of a
particular verse before deciding on one. The fact was that Kilby said
that they had found thirteen reasons why to translate a particular
word a certain way, which overpowered three reasons to translate a
word another way.

VII. King James the First

The following is a section from the draft of my book dealing with the
two alternate present views of King James the First. (Historical
revisionism is part of Satan\'s fogging of the importance of the
KJB/authority of truth issue.

King James knew that his name and person would be slandered, as Miles
Smith wrote: &quot;This, and more to this purpose, his Majesty that now
reigneth (and long and long may he reign, and his offspring for ever,
Himself and children and children\'s children always!) knew full well,
according to the singular wisdom given unto him by God, and the rare
learning and experience that he hath attained unto; namely, That
whosoever attempteth any thing for the publick, (especially if it
appertain to religion, and to the opening and clearing of the word of
God) the same setteth himself upon a stage to be glouted upon by
every evil eye; yea, he casteth himself headlong upon pikes, to be
gored by every sharp tongue.&quot; (TTR, Section 3).

What survives to the present is a body of contradicting &quot;evidences&quot;
about the life of King James. One narrative indicates that he was a
bad person, the other set of evidence shows exactly the opposite. For
example, two articles from the same encyclopædia (Online Britannica
2001) contain opposite views, which directly contradict one another.

The slanderous history accuses King James of being a well-educated
pedantic hypocrite, while the truthful history affirms his education,
but states that he &quot;debated theology with learned divines&quot; and that
he was &quot;A model of the philosopher prince&quot;. The revised history
describes him as being manipulated in Scotland by various powerful
figures, yet the factual history shows that &quot;He governed his poor
nation by balancing its factions of clans and by restraining the
enthusiastic leaders of its Presbyterian church.&quot; The slanderous
material claims that his experience was not enough to help him when
he took the throne of England, and speaks of his enmity with
Parliament as being the major contributing factor to the English
Civil Wars. The truthful material, however, is realistic when
acknowledging that James was &quot;the most experienced monarch to accede
to the English throne since William the Conqueror as well as one of
the greatest of all Scottish kings.&quot; (The war was his son\'s fault.)

The revisionist theory pretends to be impartial when it reports, &quot;To
parliamentary statesmen used to Tudor dignity, James\'s shambling
gait, restless garrulity, and dribbling mouth ill-befitted his
exalted claims to power and privilege.&quot; The factual records give the
correct account, &quot;James I was viewed with suspicion by his new
subjects. Centuries of hostility between the two nations had created
deep enmities, and these could be seen in English descriptions of the
king. There he was characterised as hunchbacked and ugly, with a
tongue too large for his mouth and a speech impediment that obscured
his words. It was said that he drank to excess and spewed upon his
filthy clothing. It was also rumoured that he was homosexual and
preyed upon the young boys brought to service at court. This
caricature, which has long dominated the popular view of James I, was
largely the work of disappointed English office seekers whose pique
clouded their observations and the judgments of generations of
historians.&quot; The false history also reports that James was estranged
from his wife, and that she was involved with intrigues against him,
whereas sincere history reports, &quot;James was described as pleasing to
look at and pleasing to hear. He was sober in habit, enjoyed vigorous
exercise, and doted on his Danish wife, Anne, who had borne him two
male heirs.&quot; It was true, however, that Anne was willing to tolerate
Roman Catholicism.

It should be obvious that the two stories being told are opposite one
to another, and that the sensational and tabloid tales of King James\'
life were the products of his enemies.

&quot;The character of James I as a scholar has been greatly underrated.
In the Hampton Court conference he certainly showed a clear and ready
comprehension of every subject brought before him, together with
extensive reading and a remarkably sound judgment. For the best
translation into any language we are indebted under God to King
James, who was called a hypocrite by those who had no religion, and a
pedant by persons who had not half his learning. Both piety and
justice require that, while we are thankful to God for the gift of
his word, we should revere the memory of the man who was the
instrument of conveying the water of life through a channel by which
its purity had been so wonderfully preserved.&quot; &quot;James ... was often
wiser in his aims than the House of Commons, he usually sought to
attain them in an unwise way. He was not tyrannical&quot;. &quot;The memory of
the just is blessed: but the name of the wicked shall rot.&quot; (Proverbs
10:7).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('739', '6ede13ba6d', 'Rejecting the authority of the KJB', 'A modernist is able to find common ground (that is, common error) between the TRO position and himself because both have accepted incorrect premises in their view of the King James Bible and of what the 1611 translators said in their Preface to the Reader.

Most specifically, both do not view the King James Bible as having representative authority. They both judge the correctness of the King James Bible on other sources, usually, what they think the original text reads as, and what they think those original words should mean. In other words, it is denying the received tradition as Providentially given for an endless quest for truth that can never be attained.

This may easily be judged so, because no such person can produce a final text and translation because their very methodology and principles which supposedly are to lead to &quot;the best&quot; always fall short, since they have as a basis the law of the spirit of error (i.e. that perfection is impossible). This is essentially saying to God that He is too weak, and that He cannot (or even is forbidden to) have one Bible for the world. In other words, they can accept perfect truth in the past (inspiration), they can accept it in the future (the Millennium), they can accept it in Heaven, they can accept it in the Spirit (in the heart of a believer), but they cannot accept it in natural form extant and observable right now on the Earth today.

The proper view, I think, is to believe the Scripture itself, which many times implies, promises and indicates that there should be, and is manifest for believers, a pure and perfect Bible.

If the objection is brought up concerning the past, that is, the same words existed in scattered form in the past before 1611, and believers existed before 1611, the answer is simple: God’s outworking in this manner has been progressive to a final point, He said that the Word is purified seven times, which is a process. He promised that the Scripture would be there throughout Church history and to the Gentiles, it is true, but the promise of a pure, final and exact form has only been understood as a doctrine after 1611. (How many true doctrines were restored to the Church after the Reformation!)

The King James Bible is of the same line as any good version that anyone could have ever used, or other contemporary good versions that have been used, but in the end, one has remained, one has stood above all, one has been chosen by God, because its very nature is supersuccessionary to all. This does not invalidate anything else, rather it confirms the others, for it is the one final form that replaces them (even a contemporary TR-based Spanish translation).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('740', 'fe9f2ee975', 'Authority', '[quote:fe9f2ee975]This is essentially saying to God that He is too weak, and that He cannot (or even is forbidden to) have one Bible for the world.[/quote:fe9f2ee975]
Yes, it is amazing to see some modernists try to turn the tables on KJBO believers who say that God is all powerful and able to preserve His Word perfectly throughout history. The modernist supposition seems to be that God is powerful enough to &quot;show&quot; His Word through an array of confusing versions!?

This modernist supposition suffers from the fact that:
(1) It is not Biblical - God is not the God of confusion or chaos.
(2) It completely neglects the received tradition through the godly lines of belief, such as the Reformers.
(3) God\'s power is demonstrated in an observed, perfect, pure Bible - one that can be studied and examined, not something that is airy fairy and cannot be discerned.
(4) God\'s Word can never be destroyed and the modernist false tradition allows for original inspired words to be lost through the neglect/sin/tampering of men.
(5) A perfect Bible is an authoritative Bible, so no wonder that it is constantly being attacked by devilish wisdom.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('741', '05bf55c37d', 'The Protector, 11 May 2008', '[img:05bf55c37d]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:05bf55c37d]

[color=red:05bf55c37d]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:05bf55c37d]

WELCOME! [i:05bf55c37d]The Protector[/i:05bf55c37d] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:05bf55c37d][color=darkblue:05bf55c37d]EDITORIAL[/color:05bf55c37d][/size:05bf55c37d]

One of the Australian Founding Fathers was John Dunmore Lang, a staunch Presbyterian. He wrote in “Freedom and independence for the golden lands of Australia”, 1857, “There is clearly, therefore, no part of the habitable globe on which it is of more importance at this moment to [have] a thoroughly Christian people than the shores of Australia. ... I confess I entertain the highest hopes of my adopted country in this important particular. I believe it is destined, in the councils of Infinite Wisdom, to be the seat of one of the first of the Christian nations of the earth, and that while the number of its Christian people will yet be as the sand of the sea which cannot be measured or numbered, it shall come to pass that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. Hosea i. 10.”

Although not all of Lang’s ideas were right, he certainly was right to hope for a great Christian witness in Australia.

Such notions were not new in the 1850s. Already, the pioneering chaplain, Richard Johnson, had written in 1792, “This will be my daily prayer to God for you. I shall pray for your eternal salvation, for your present welfare, for the preservation, peace, and prosperity of this colony: and especially for the more abundant and manifest success of the Redeemer’s cause and kingdom, and for the effusion and out-pouring of his Holy Spirit, not only here, but in every part of the habitable globe. Longing, hoping, and waiting for the dawn of that happy day, when the heathen shall be given to the Lord Jesus for his inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for his possession: and when all the ends of the earth shall see, believe, and rejoice in the salvation of God. Ps. ii. 8. &amp; xcviii. 3.”

The two references he gives are very revealing: “Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.” (Psalm 2:8). “He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.” (Psalm 98:3).

It is clear that men of God have prayed, believed and seen that the blessing of God is in having the Gospel and establishing it to a high degree in Australia.

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Historical revisionism and dealing with accusations against the King James Bible.
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The Authority of Scripture is with the King James Bible, not the “Greek”.
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('742', 'c7c6a200cf', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'One of the Traditional Pentecostal pioneers, John G. Lake, said in his 1910 sermon &quot;Divine Healing&quot; the following concerning the verses of Mark 16:14-18, which modern versionists attack.

&quot;These signs are God\'s eternal trademark, issued by the Son of God, and sealed in His own blood. The devil has tried to rob us of it by telling the preachers that these verses are an interpolation, and not found in the Sinaitic manuscript of the New Testament. The Sinaitic manuscript was, however, only written in the fourth century. That these verses are authentic has been proved from the writings of the Church Fathers, which were written prior to the Sinaitic manuscript, and less than two hundred and seventy years after Christ. This is a matter of history. ... Have you noticed how frequently church officers and members say: \'Oh, I don\'t believe this or that portion of God\'s Word!\' Why don\'t they? How could they when the Word of God is continually twisted out of its original sense and meaning by those whose vocation should be to guard it as a sacred deposit? This wresting of the Scriptures is responsible for the unwarranted belief that the gifts of the Holy Ghost have been withdrawn.&quot;

We can see from this that the pioneer Traditional Pentecostals did indeed see the beginnings of the modernist version attack against the King James Bible. They held to the King James Bible in belief, even when there were many gainsaying their position. The first thing for Traditional Pentecostals to recognise concerning the war for men\'s souls is that the devil wants to substitute falsehood in place of truth and does this through deceptive positions.

&quot;As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.&quot; (2 Peter 3:16).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('743', '6197fc5412', 'The &quot;authority&quot; of error', 'How can we, in a time of excelling communication and transportation technologies, be yet in a spiritual dark age? I can only conclude that we are living in a time of great deception and where lies are refuge.

&quot;For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.&quot; (Isaiah 28:20).

The spirit of error has now been going on for years how that the King James Bible is full of mistakes, incomprehensible, out of date, etc. Yet the spirit of error way is always too small, too short, because it says that there cannot be a perfect Bible, which is why it always needs to produce more modern versions or consult more sources. It says that there is no authority except its own certainty that there is error.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('744', '8c87ba8f9b', 'What is Biblical preaching?', '&quot;And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.&quot; (Acts 28:24).

When the Word of God is preached, there is always a decision to be made on the part of the hearers. Sadly, some will decide to reject what is spoken and this decision will invite destruction into their lives. It is always destructive to reject truth. The warning is clear for the hearers of Biblical preaching: &quot;Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.&quot; (Hebrews 3:12). &quot;While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.&quot; (Hebrews 3:15).

Unbelief causes people to fail to enter into God\'s blessings. The decision to love the Bible and to love it being preached is an important prerequisite to receiving blessing. &quot;Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief&quot; (Hebrews 4:6).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('745', '2c506422ca', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'In his sermon &quot;Living Faith&quot;, preached February 1935, Smith Wigglesworth stated: &quot;You must believe that God will not deny Himself, for the Word of God cannot be denied.&quot; He was talking about complete agreement with the Bible (specifically the King James Bible, which he used). How can there be complete agreement with the Bible unless it is a pure book without error? God has brought this book into our hands and we should take it as precious and put its words into our heart. &quot;Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom&quot; (Colossians 3:16a).

The question has been asked: Can people be saved through modern versions? This question has everything backwards. It is as though the questioner is pleading for modern version usage and begging them to be allowed thinking that without their usage fewer would be saved. The fact is this: [b:2c506422ca]with modern version usage fewer people get saved[/b:2c506422ca]. Why is this? It is because God works only in agreement with His Word and where that is absent, then He will not deny Himself. If a person is saved through someone witnessing to them through a modern version, it is only because (1) agreement with the pure Bible has been present, and (2) God is very gracious. In fact, [b:2c506422ca]there are more false converts in the churches than ever before[/b:2c506422ca] and this is directly attributable to the apostasy manifested in agreement with modern versions and the like.

Traditional Pentecostals preach from the pure Bible because this will ensure maximum agreement with God. Praise the Lord for this! We pray for the increase of all King James Bible only believers. &quot;Can two walk together, except they be agreed?&quot; (Amos 3:3). Agree with God! Agree with His pure and perfect Word! This is how people can walk in faith perfectly.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('746', '9779a10a05', 'collating responses', 'Matthew, I don\'t know if you are keeping some type of record of all the responses that you make on other boards to questions asked or charges made by others.

If you are not, I think that it would make a great appendix to your book.

Additionally, a single location storing a database of your responses would be an excellent way to direct questioners.

More and more, I have learned to appreciate your ministry and spirit.  May God\'s Grace be multiplied upon you, Brother.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('747', '85809331fa', 'Collation', '[quote:85809331fa]I don\'t know if you are keeping some type of record of all the responses that you make on other boards to questions asked or charges made by others[/quote:85809331fa]
There is collation of important material now. Some don\'t deserve reponses, such as those calling Matthew a &quot;liar&quot; or &quot;hare-brained&quot; etc. But Matthew has been very patient.

[quote:85809331fa]More and more, I have learned to appreciate your ministry and spirit.[/quote:85809331fa]
You\'re not the only one, Brother Tim. Matthew\'s ministry as a teacher in the Body of Christ is very important at this crucial time in history (see also http://www.bibleprotector.com/AN_INTRODUCTION_TO_THE_2300_DAY_PROPHECY.pdf ).

Some are listening but some are getting offended, which to me only illustrates: &quot;Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.&quot; (Psalm 119:165). Where is the love for God\'s law - His wonderful pure Word? &quot;Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.&quot; (Psalm 119:140). Offence and contention is showing something wrong in the hearts of men.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('748', '78c535804a', '', '[quote:78c535804a]Matthew, I don\'t know if you are keeping some type of record of all the responses that you make on other boards to questions asked or charges made by others.

If you are not, I think that it would make a great appendix to your book. 

Additionally, a single location storing a database of your responses would be an excellent way to direct questioners.[/quote:78c535804a]

I copy what I think are important ones and post them here on this site.

[quote:78c535804a]More and more, I have learned to appreciate your ministry and spirit. May God\'s Grace be multiplied upon you, Brother.[/quote:78c535804a]

Thanks.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('749', '41846dff45', 'Hearing God', 'It\'s important to show the Lord that we are listening to Him, like Samuel did. 

&quot;And the LORD called Samuel again the third time. And he arose and went to Eli, and said, Here [i:41846dff45]am[/i:41846dff45] I; for thou didst call me. And Eli perceived that the LORD had called the child. Therefore Eli said unto Samuel, Go, lie down: and it shall be, if he call thee, that thou shalt say, Speak, LORD; for thy servant heareth. So Samuel went and lay down in his place. And the LORD came, and stood, and called as at other times, Samuel, Samuel. Then Samuel answered, Speak; for thy servant heareth.&quot; (1 Samuel 3:8-10).

This involves recognising God\'s voice (He will always speak in accordance with the Scripture) and demonstrating to God a willingness to listen. Samuel welcomed the Word of God spoken to him. He invited the Lord to speak to him. God can correct us, warn us, guide us, lead us to Scriptures and reveal things to come for example. 

It\'s important to give sincere attention and time to God. God honours these actions.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('750', '423aed229e', '', '[quote:423aed229e]Some don\'t deserve reponses,[/quote:423aed229e]
No truer words were ever posted.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('751', 'b4f6d1d4ff', 'Excellent Bible Software now has the Pure Cambridge Edition', 'Brandon Stagg\'s &quot;SwordSearcher Bible Software&quot; 5.3.1 has the Pure Cambridge Edition as the main/default King James Bible text.

I highly recommend this program for all believers. It is available at a very low cost!

SwordSearcher Bible Software http://www.swordsearcher.com

This program allows you to easily search the Pure Cambridge Edition. It is better than a concordance because you can search phrases too.

The program has a beautiful design, quality resources (like commentaries, pictures, and helpful books). There is also the function to add new books to the program (a lot of old books are now being made available over the internet, which people can easily turn into modules for the program.)

It even has old Bible versions, old commentaries, like Gill or Scofield, that are linked to every verse, and Strongs linked to every word.

This tool is definitely the best I have used, and is worth a library of books, which you can browse, search and use without copyright.

As an additional bonus, Dr Thomas Holland has allowed the inclusion of his book (which is copyright), called &quot;Crowned with Glory&quot;.

I commend Brandon Staggs for ensuring the accuracy of the King James Bible text in his program.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('752', '4df5b8d844', 'The translation of the saints', 'There are many verses that talk of Christ returning to Earth in vengeance with His saints. This clearly happens after the translation of the saints where they will ever be with Christ. Then, they come with Him in His second coming to finalise this present evil world in preparation for the world to come. There is “in the world to come life everlasting” (Luke 18:30b). This present world must be finalised because it is in a sinful state at the moment. “Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:12,13). Christ predicted the end of this present world (see Matthew 13:39,49; 28:20).

It is clear that Christ Himself ends this present world by His triumphant second coming with His saints.

“To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.” (1 Thessalonians 3:13).

“And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [i:4df5b8d844]speeches [/i:4df5b8d844]which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” (Jude 14,15).

“And the armies [i:4df5b8d844]which were [/i:4df5b8d844]in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.” (Revelation 19:14). The saints are the ones who are clothed in “fine linen, white and clean”, symbolic of their cleansing from all sin by the blood of Christ.

“And ye shall flee [i:4df5b8d844]to [/i:4df5b8d844]the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, [i:4df5b8d844]and [/i:4df5b8d844]all the saints with thee.” (Zechariah 14:5).

Praise the Lord that the saints have the wonderful work in Christ to be a part of His coming.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('754', '96c7594c47', '', 'Lots of thanks to everyone\'s comments and the various ways they contributioned toward the second draft. This third draft is because others have looked into the matter, &quot;they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.&quot; (Acts 17:11b).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('755', 'dd142e9486', '', 'There’s a kind of deception around that says that in order to get the translators’ “real” ideas, we have to read them in the print form of 1611. Why not accept the Translators’ Preface from a Cambridge Edition from the 1950s?

So here is the quote of the translators:

[quote:dd142e9486]Now to the latter we answer, That we do not deny, nay, we affirm and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English set forth by men of our profession (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God: as the King’s speech which he uttered in Parliament, being translated into French, Dutch, Italian, and Latin, is still the King’s speech, though it be not interpreted by every translator with the like grace, nor peradventure so fitly for phrase, nor so expressly for sense, every where. For it is confessed, that things are to take their denomination of the greater part; and a natural man could say, Verum ubi multa nitent in carmine, non ego paucis offendor maculis, &amp;c. A man may be counted a virtuous man, though he have made many slips in his life, (else there were none virtuous, for, In many things we offend all,) also a comely man and lovely, though he have some warts upon his hand; yea, not only freckles upon his face, but also scars. No cause therefore why the word translated should be denied to be the word, or forbidden to be current, notwithstanding that some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it. For whatever was perfect under the sun, where Apostles or apostolick men, that is, men endued with an extraordinary measure of God’s Spirit, and privileged with the privilege of infallibility, had not their hand? The Romanists therefore in refusing to hear, and daring to burn the word translated, did no less than despite the Spirit of grace, from whom originally it proceeded, and whose sense and meaning, as well as man’s weakness would enable, it did express. Judge by an example or two.[/quote:dd142e9486]

The Roman Catholics argued against the King James Bible, saying that if the Bible was already given in English, why would they need to go again to correct it? If Tyndale or Geneva or whatever, why another new one?

And so it was to these that the translators (by the pen of Miles Smith) answered: “That we do not deny, nay, we affirm and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English set forth by men of our profession (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God”. He is talking about “our” works, meaning Protestant, saying that he had not seen theirs yet, meaning the Catholic Douay Old Testament (which appeared around the same time as the KJB did).

When he said “the very meanest”, he was referring generally to any historical Protestant English translation about which that accusation was made. He most certainly was not referring to modern versions. Yet this is what anti-KJB people read into it. How could the 1611 translators be said to be allowing modern versions when modern versions did not exist? Especially since that modern versions deny the Protestant tradition (the Textus Receptus), and embrace something of the Catholic, the very enemies of the 1611 translators!

When Smith wrote that such an English Version is the Word of God, this is quite correct. The Vulgate can be said to contain the Word of God. But because the King James Bible was designed to, and in reality did, supersede other English versions, and that now that English is the global language, we very well can hold to one Bible for the world, not because other versions were not Bibles, but because one Bible translation is superior to all. Providence has long worked and revealed one exact, extant form of the Word, which is superior to any single manuscript or printed edition of the original languages, and is supersucessionary to any Bible in the whole world. This is based on the principle of scattering and gathering, a process which God providentially used the King James Bible translators to finalise. Thus, while any old manuscript from the Traditional Text Family, or any Textus Receptus edition, or any Reformation English or foreign translation may be accepted and called “The Word of God” (or constituting some part thereof), non can be produced which is final in manifest form that is perfect in Canon, Version-Text and Translation altogether in one extant volume. Only the King James Bible can be so (which has lately been published without even so much as typographical errors).

Therefore, in all the time when there were improvements in English Bibles (the gathering process, and the refining process), it is true that “No cause therefore why the word translated should be denied to be the word”. Again, that any should not be “forbidden to be current”. Yet, we know that because of the succession, eventually later better versions superseded the former, and eventually by various factors under the Providence of God, the King James Bible alone became current, as it should be this day.

Moreover, “some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it”, that is, any one of the Early Protestant English Versions. But as far and text and translation, this was all improved, and finalised with the King James Bible. It would be incorrect to argue that the King James Bible also had “imperfections and blemishes” in its text and translation, for Smith was speaking only of the former translations, which they were avowedly doing, saying elsewhere that “the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished; also, if any thing be halting, or superfluous, or not so agreeable to the original, the same may be corrected, and the truth set in place”, and again, in the Dedication, “of many worthy men who went before us, there should be one more exact Translation of the holy Scriptures into the English Tongue”. Thus, they knew that the King James Bible was the truth, exactly correct and final.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('756', '0edf2edf7b', 'Pure KJB only position versus Textus Receptus only', 'This is what appears to be the textual positions of people who at least may prefer the use of the King James Bible:

1. TRADITIONAL TEXT. This view is that the Eastern Orthodox manuscripts/Byzantine Family are the best, and whatever is in majority. The King James Bible is the best English Bible based on these. The King James Bible is open to revision in its underlying texts, as was done with the New King James Version. Some may advocate for a New Geneva Version. A lot of changes can be made in the translation. (They believe that no translation is perfect.) These folk reject all other KJB positions, and are among the strongest anti-KJBO people. They may also have some respect for the TROs, but call others heretics. “The authority is in the majority of Greek manuscripts.”

2. TEXTUS RECEPTUS. This view is that the formation of the accepted text that was improved upon through the Reformation, as based upon the widest amount of evidence, including even the Vulgate, but mainly the Byzantine Family, is the best, most especially because God used these by His providence in the getting the Gospel into many languages from Reformation. Principle of all such translations is the King James Bible. They therefore promote any TR translation, even if made from the KJB. They also would uphold the Greek text aligned to the KJB, and have laid aside Lloyd’s TR for Scrivener’s or Berry’s. While they might hold that the underlying texts of the KJB should not be altered, they will still think that the KJB has the possibility for improvements, either in translations, or more often, in updating the old fashioned language. (They do not accept the idea of perfect translation, though recognise that God must be able to use people to make good ones.) These TRO folk may be witnessed to attack both the NKJV and KJBOs. “The authority is in the underlying languages.”

3. ENGLISH RECEIVED TEXT. This view is that the English Bible, namely, the King James Bible is the best and, in fact, perfect text being gathered from the TR sources, and as an independent variety of the TR, is the final form of the text. Therefore, the text in English is matching exactly the words, but for the language, to the autographs. Moreover, the translation is exact, sense for sense, without addition, omission, alteration or substitution. While the KJB is not the only form of the English Scripture, or the only Bible in the world, it is, through various factors and providential signals, beginning to be regarded as the only Bible/Scripture Authority to be used. This means that the King James Bible will, if the logic is followed, have to be viewed in a fixed form, rather than in a continual perpetuation of editions with spelling differences or other even slight variations. However, because the Bible existed before 1611, there can never be the extreme of saying that it is the only Bible, or only edition, rather, that God has providentially brought it about so that in practice (i.e. in current use of the faithful) it is the only Bible. Moreover, if it is linked to true Christianity, at some point the Church using the King James Bible is going to be actually the true Church as opposed to the apostates who do not. “The authority is in the Authorized King James Bible.”

In other words, future “King James Bible only” would be prescriptive of the true Church, (a true Christian could be judged of his trueness on account of it as part of true doctrine), whereas today it is only descriptive (there are as yet true Christians who are not using the King James Bible exclusively). The problem is that most people who have made it prescriptive up to today have held to various positions on the matter which are extreme or illogical. There needs to be a temperate and reasoned move to promoting the prescription position. Foremost in this is (as based on numerous Scriptures themselves:
1. Recognising the KJB as the providentially appointed final text in the Church.
2. Recognising the KJB as a perfect translation in the global language, so that it is viewed as God’s exact message to the world.
3. Recognising the KJB has been presented in a final exact pure edition, accurate throughout, with the proper standard of spelling and Biblical English, without typographical error, without variation and without any other flaw to the jot and tittle.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('757', '0bbfe5645e', '', 'A modernist is able to find common ground (that is, common error) between the TRO position and himself because both have accepted incorrect premises in their view of the King James Bible and of what the 1611 translators said in their Preface to the Reader.

Most specifically, both do not view the King James Bible as having representative authority. They both judge the correctness of the King James Bible on other sources, usually, what they think the original text reads as, and what they think those original words should mean. In other words, it is denying the received tradition as Providentially given for an endless quest for truth that can never be attained.

This may easily be judged so, because no such person can produce a final text and translation because their very methodology and principles which supposedly are to lead to &quot;the best&quot; always fall short, since they have as a basis the law of the spirit of error (i.e. that perfection is impossible). This is essentially saying to God that He is too weak, and that He cannot (or even is forbidden to) have one Bible for the world. In other words, they can accept perfect truth in the past (inspiration), they can accept it in the future (the Millennium), they can accept it in Heaven, they can accept it in the Spirit (in the heart of a believer), but they cannot accept it in natural form extant and observable right now on the Earth today.

The proper view, I think, is to believe the Scripture itself, which many times implies, promises and indicates that there should be, and is manifest for believers, a pure and perfect Bible.

If the objection is brought up concerning the past, that is, the same words existed in scattered form in the past before 1611, and believers existed before 1611, the answer is simple: God’s outworking in this manner has been progressive to a final point, He said that the Word is purified seven times, which is a process. He promised that the Scripture would be there throughout Church history and to the Gentiles, it is true, but the promise of a pure, final and exact form has only been understood as a doctrine after 1611. (How many true doctrines were restored to the Church after the Reformation!)

The King James Bible is of the same line as any good version that anyone could have ever used, or other contemporary good versions that have been used, but in the end, one has remained, one has stood above all, one has been chosen by God, because its very nature is supersuccessionary to all. This does not invalidate anything else, rather it confirms the others, for it is the one final form that replaces them (even a contemporary TR-based Spanish translation).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('758', '1f50b4875e', '', 'Are King James Bible only people and Textus Receptus only people really on the same team?

This is a really interesting concept, namely, that divided parties are on the same team. We may observe that there are TROs versus the more extreme KJBOs. The TROs tend to be more moderate, scholarly and reputable, but they also are weakly, compromised and short-falling. The more extreme KJBOs tend to be more strong, certain and consistent, but they also are unruly, simple and foolish. Rather than take the World War Two solution, which includes alliances with Russia and the French, (the enemy of my enemy is my friend), take the Cromwellian solution, (The LORD taketh my part with them that help me: therefore shall I see my desire upon them that hate me).

Moderation never meant placating differing factions, or merely taking “middle ground”, especially if they do not agree upon the same foundation. No war can be prosecuted against the antichrist (spiritually and naturally) from a divided support basis, nor from just trying to bring together different factions which all have their own faults and are against each other anyway.

I will quote somewhat from my book, which has upset certain KJBOs quite a lot:

[quote:1f50b4875e]It became very clear to me that the prosecution of the war concerning the Word of God by genuine Christians was not being waged so wholly on Biblical principles, but was mainly concerned with fighting over the same ground in regard to modern versions, and often adopted the very premises of thinking that were foundational to the modernists’ arguments. Therefore, it has been my intention in writing to move the King James Bible debate on, and away from the misguided zeal and extremism of certain King James Bible only supporters and their ignorance on the editions issue. The Scripture could even apply to them, “The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes” (Matthew 21:42b). The King James Bible adherents were builders. “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee” (Hosea 4:6a). Since they rejected the true doctrine of the baptism of the Holy Ghost, it was not they who received the revelation of the pure edition of the Word, that is, the Rock. Jesus said, “Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock” (Matthew 7:24). Many Born Again Fundamentalists had rejected nothing less than Christ’s words concerning receiving the Spirit and the sign of tongues.

The Holy Ghost had indeed worked to gather together the pure Word. The words outlining this doctrine should, by God’s grace, form an expeditionary army of a new model, which would either persuade or repel present King James Bible proponents. There must be a move away from petty name calling, unscholarly works and fearfulness of Jesuit powers, into a clear and true understanding of God’s Word in English, and the consequences of establishing the Word to consume the power of the Antichrist false “Word”. Instead of thinking in terms of pervading worldliness and apostasy, Christians must think in terms of the prevailing Word, that it is a day star in comparison to the world, a city on a hill which cannot be hid. In doing this we must guard against those who would think to overthrow Bible-ordered tradition to construct a tyrannical rule upon the Earth. [/quote:1f50b4875e]

The long term solution is one united body of believers with one true doctrine. At this point there is division among believers on almost every doctrine. If a proper King James Bible doctrine can be put as foundation, then this is great progress. In the outworking of this, it would be evident whether or not, for example, tongues for today, is a true doctrine.

Unless we recognise ourselves within a providential continuum, where God is using us (regardless of past things) to begin from the true Word (the KJB), and to receive His true doctrines, and to align ourselves to Him (or rather, to allow Him to align us), and that we may fully see which doctrines are vindicated and raised up by God, and which are not, it is by deference to Him, rather than pettiness, blindness and pride, by which great ends may be accomplished. In this we will see whether God has raised us up for His cause or no, that is, by His signal workings according to His ends rather than the contrivance of one or other man.

“Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.” (Acts 15:14). God should visit us, and should raise us up for the cause.

“And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up” (Acts 15:15, 16). That is, a restoration of the King James Bible and the consequential working of God in the Church.

“That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.” (Acts 15:17). There cannot be great reaching of the Gentiles until there is at least a remnant of believers agreeing in one, having one Bible, and so the Church, and so being witnessed of throughout the world.

“Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.” (Acts 15:18). Surely, if that is the plan of God, give space and allow Him to raise up those whom He would raise up according to His purposes. Who can resist God and win? But if we submit, what should we see upon our enemies, who champion error, division and continual corruption of God’s Word?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('759', '268000b2ee', '', '&quot;But thou hast fully known my doctrine&quot; (2 Tim 3:10a). &quot;Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear&quot; (2 Tim. 4:17a). This requires that the full translation occur so that we (all Gentiles) may fully know the doctrine in English. Are the Gentiles going to hear only the full truth today if they go to the Greek? Or if it is yet being unlocked and revealed from the Greek? Is it not rather that God has providentially supplied and sanctioned the English Bible to take out from the scattered Greek and Hebrew one good Bible for all?

I certainly agree the only valid use for the Greek is as a secondary and confirming witness to the English. However, it is an important issue as to the exact sense, that is, the full scope of God\'s message being present in English. By this I mean that by translation etc., we now (since 1611) have the full, exact and express message of God in English, which is fully and utterly in English. And reading the King James Bible now is as if God spoke English throughout the inspiration of the Scripture, for the manifest infallibility of it in English.

Burgon said concerning the translators, &quot;When we find them turning ‘goodly apparel,’ (in S. James ii. 2,) into ‘gay clothing,’ (in ver. 3,) — we can but conjecture that they conceived themselves at liberty to act exactly as S. James himself would (possibly) have acted had he been writing English.&quot;

The argument is not whether or not the Scripture in English is sufficient for salvation, because very born again believer really will have to admit that. The issue is that God\'s full and utter truth, exact in words, full in sense, leaving nothing to be desired, having nothing added, is fully present in the King James Bible only&quot;.

If the text and translation are &quot;God\'s full and utter truth, exact in words, full in sense, leaving nothing to be desired, having nothing added&quot; then the text and translation cannot be altered.

Having said that, I will now show that changing one jot or one tittle is a change of the Word of God.

Every word has meaning. Every word, its sounding, its placed in the sentence, is exact, is perfect, proper, in its order. Yea, in the Pure Cambridge Edition, we may rely even on the very spellings, the punctuation, in short, in every whit whole.

Changing and altering even one letter, one sound, one word is going to alter these things (some to a greater degree than others):
1. The visual appearance.
2. The sound/rhythm.
3. The subtle associations of meanings, the impact upon the bowels (feeling).
4. The proper use of Biblical English.
5. The sense.
6. The truth.
7. Faith in something which was received as fixed, certain and sure.

Certainly “rasor” to “razor” is slight (the sense changeth not), “thinketh” to “thinks” is not slight, and something like “hewed” to “shown” is wild (New Cambridge Paragraph Edition).

“Forty years long was I grieved with this generation” (Psalm 95:10a) should never be made “For forty years I was grieved with that generation”.

Even a slight change, like one letter, is still a change. It may not be a change to the actual meaning, but it is a change nonetheless to the RECEIVED WORD as is now final. (There are lots of &quot;differences&quot; which may be discovered when comparing to 1611. Such things were needful and were occurring under the providential hand of the Lord. There is no way that any changes now can be God-led. The very desire for change now is really inspired by the spirit of error, because it is never going to accept that the state of the King James Bible as it now is, that is, its very presentation, is final. It will at least try and change spellings. But final is final. And that means no changes, not even of one letter.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('760', '2c2442e76a', 'Is the King James Bible really out of date?', 'IS IT SUPERSTITION TO KEEP THE “-ETH” ENDINGS?

It seems like superstition to those who do not know how intricate and exact Bible English really is. Unless one accepts and sees that it is final, rather than have all sorts of thoughts as to its &quot;old fashioned&quot; (perhaps even &quot;inappropriate&quot;) &quot;obscurities&quot;, then one will not really be fixed in their heart as to the fixedness of the Bible as it is.

The truth is that updated language will not make the King James Bible more acceptable, certainly not more acceptable to God, and neither to the spirit of antichrist who wants more changes/confusion.

If it is God\'s Word, God\'s Spirit will give the understanding of it, even to the simple. It is not a stumblingblock to have a hard and dark Word, because the Spirit of Truth is present to bring illumination.

Even Edward Hills realised that if the King James Bible were &quot;updated&quot; for supposed changes in the language, the same update would be equally out of date when further supposed changes occurred. The reality is that there is a fixed, unaltering core English language which is always existing now throughout the world, which is always going to be conversent with the Bible English. Therefore, there is no reason to ever change the King James Bible as it now is.

Moreover, just as it has been shown that there are seven major English Bibles, so are there seven major editions of the King James Bible. This accords with the prophecy of Psalm 12, which shows that the Word would undergo a process of seven purifications. This has happened within the internal history of the King James Bible. We have the Pure Cambridge Edition. That is &quot;very pure&quot;. There is no need, nor precedent for an eight working, because, God has been able to get it right already, despite darkness, deception and ignorance.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('761', '96b0020977', '', 'IS THE KING JAMES BIBLE REALLY IN THE &quot;COMMON&quot; (EVERY DAY) LANGUAGE OF 1611?

&quot;God forbid&quot; or &quot;God speed&quot; are not &quot;English additions&quot;, these wordings are the sense for sense portrayal of the originals, and therefore the correct English terminology in the presentation of God\'s exact message in English.

Some seem to think that the King James Bible is just religious form of Shakespearian or Elizabethan English. Nothing could be further from the facts. The style, grammar, vocabulary and rhythms are vastly different to anything else to be found in historical English literature. The Bible did not follow conventions, that is to say, was not merely the &quot;common language on the street&quot;, but was the high form: it created the trends, it was the touchstone, it was Biblical English, pure, undefiled and unmixed.

It is a mistake to think that &quot;common&quot; or the old meaning of &quot;vulgar&quot; means that it should be on the lowest common denominator. It is incorrect. Bible English is conversant to all forms of English &quot;dialects&quot; spoken today, in that there is one English language, and that the King James Bible is comprehensible to anyone, but for their heart being open to the Spirit of God.

When the translators made a comment about the market-place, they were not meaning gutter talk or small talk of stall holders or something, they were talking about the public accessibility. There is a vast difference between &quot;market-place language&quot; and &quot;market-place accessibility&quot;. English is the world\'s market-place language, but the King James Bible is (via the internet) in full market-place accessibility.

&quot;Therefore the word of God being set forth in Greek, becometh hereby like a candle set upon a candlestick, which giveth light to all that are in the house; or like a proclamation sounded forth in the market-place, which most men presently take knowledge of; and therefore that language was fittest to contain the Scriptures, both for the first preachers of the Gospel to appeal unto for witness, and for the learners also of those times to make search and trial by.&quot;

To attempt to argue that the King James Bible is not &quot;today\'s language&quot; is both unfactual and not backed up by the own translators\' words.');
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('763', 'a395740ca8', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'Believing that which is taught and preached is so very important for Christian growth. It is an issue of the heart (ie. the inner man). &quot;And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?&quot; (Luke 24:32). God\'s Word is the fire that goes within people.

The mind, which is part of the heart, must be open to recall the Word of God preached. Some at the time of Christ\'s resurrection were open: &quot;And they remembered his words&quot; (Luke 24:8). But some were closed: &quot;It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles. And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.&quot; (Luke 24:10,11).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('764', 'baf982c2db', 'What is Biblical preaching?', '&quot;Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word&quot; (Luke 1:1,2).

Biblical preachers must be &quot;ministers of the word&quot;. Such a ministry feeds, nurtures and builds up the people with hearing hearts. The Biblical preacher uses the Bible as a spiritual tool to do the important work of God in the hearts of men and women.

&quot;Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?&quot; (Jeremiah 23:29). This hammer is able to break hard hearts, so they will be receptive to other things that God wants to say.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('765', 'f085482fb2', 'Hearing God', 'God can speak to us with a quiet voice in our spirits, but His voice can also thunder when He chooses to thus show Himself. 

&quot;Hear attentively the noise of his voice, and the sound [i:f085482fb2]that [/i:f085482fb2]goeth out of his mouth. He directeth it under the whole heaven, and his lightning unto the ends of the earth. After it a voice roareth: he thundereth with the voice of his excellency; and he will not stay them when his voice is heard. God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend.&quot; (Job 37:2-5).

Note that He still commands that we attentively hear His voice. Developing your relationship with God helps you to hear Him, eg understanding His nature and His will as revealed in the Scripture, communing with and praising God through prayer, thinking on Him and meditating on the Scripture, having a worshipful attitude at all times. These things will help us to hear God. We must quieten down our spirits to listen to the Lord. He demands first place in our hearts, and He demands our attention. 

&quot;Hearken unto this, O Job: stand still, and consider the wondrous works of God.&quot; (Job 37:14).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('766', '50b27bf300', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;In the house of the righteous is much treasure: but in the revenues of the wicked is trouble.&quot; (Proverbs 15:6).

God wants the righteous to prosper. The treasure He gives to them is both spiritual and physical. The righteous know the way of God, so their heart is not inclined to do evil. Because of this, they should know how to handle prosperity in the correct way, which is to the glory of God. The &quot;revenues of the wicked&quot; speaks of what the wicked (ie. those without God) have. The wicked do not use their riches for God but rather to back the works against God. The world talks of the great giving that rich people do but the reality is that the worldly rich have not got a heart towards God, so their inclination will be against God.

We must always remember that God looks on the heart. A righteous heart is inclined for the things of God. The following verses show the contrast between a father and son - the father\'s heart was towards God and his prosperity was right but the son was unrighteous and his prosperity brought destruction. The son was [b:50b27bf300]building his house by unrighteousness[/b:50b27bf300].

&quot;Woe unto him that buildeth his house by unrighteousness, and his chambers by wrong; that useth his neighbour\'s service without wages, and giveth him not for his work; That saith, I will build me a wide house and large chambers, and cutteth him out windows; and it is cieled with cedar, and painted with vermilion. Shalt thou reign, because thou closest thyself in cedar? did not thy father eat and drink, and do judgment and justice, and then it was well with him? He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well with him: was not this to know me? saith the LORD. But thine eyes and thine heart are not but for thy covetousness, and for to shed innocent blood, and for oppression, and for violence, to do it.&quot; (Jeremiah 22:13-17).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('767', '97a1eccc5a', 'A sound &quot;English Scripture&quot; view', 'A sound &quot;English Scripture&quot; view by Matthew Verschuur

(This statement has been made in order to explain how I view the authority of the Scripture in English.)

I am looking at three areas of information:
a. the past, that is, a proper view of history,
b. the present, that is, what has providentially been afforded, and
c. the future, according to what Scripture indicates.

When I look at the Hebrew and Greek issue, I think:
a. that there was a full transfer from Hebrew and Greek into English in the past,
b. that we have already sufficient evidence as to the accuracy of the KJB in this regard in many books and articles, and that such studies continuing on today seem to take an imperfection view of the Bible, and
c. that since there should be one pure language, there is no need to keep on checking the originals, etc., but to maintain out of the past the body of ideas which have soundly defended the King James Bible, and is ever against any modernist/unbelieving trends.

I AM NOT SAYING THAT IT IS WRONG TO USE THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGES, BUT THAT WE SHOULD WILLINGLY DEVELOP AN ENGLISH AUTHORITY VIEW.

When I look at the foreign translation issue, I think:
a. that while the Word has been brought out in many translations, the King James Bible was the best,
b. that since English is the global language, and other translations now made do not seem to be able to worth the resources and time, and that they seem to have errors or problems, and
c. that since the world would have one standard and one Gospel, this is a prophecy of the King James Bible.

I AM NOT SAYING THAT IT IS WRONG TO USE FOREIGN TRANSLATIONS, BUT THAT WE SHOULD WILLINGLY DEVELOP AN ENGLISH ONLY VIEW.

When I look at the edition issue, I think:
a. that while the King James Bible has been brought and used in various editions, the Cambridge ones were generally considered the best,
b. that since the Pure Cambridge Edition is demonstrably good, and that there is a subverting of the King James Bible by stealth with continuous variations and unauthorised alterations, it is better to have one, and
c. that the Scripture lays out that there must be jot and tittle accuracy of the pure Word, and the very specific factors of purity of the words of the book.

I AM NOT SAYING THAT IT IS WRONG TO USE OTHER EDITIONS, BUT THAT WE SHOULD WILLINGLY DEVELOP A PURE EDITION ONLY VIEW.

It is exactly like the situation with the Geneva Version. It was not instantly dropped. People still owned them. People still had memorised them. Some people just liked things the way they were. But over all, things worked out that eventually there was a full adherence to the King James Bible.

Now, I very well know how much it might seem like a challenge, or how it might seem objectionable, or how saying these types of things could appear to be counter what has been. Yes, I know that some could mistake my convictions, or suspect ulterior motives (though I protest that I am acting in the best interests and good for all). What I am not advocating is:
a. destroying or abandoning good traditions,
b. acting counter to the conscience of any true believer, or forcing something upon them, or
c. departing from Scripture through private interpretations or relying upon merely carnal means of attainment (like Ishmael).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('768', '8d32fbe470', 'The English Bible Preaching Missionary Movement', 'I would think that it was the historical case that major languages had good Bibles. But the following issues indicate that focus should now be otherwise, including that:
a. we are able to identify imperfections in the old good versions,
b. modern foreign versions have overtaken the field,
c. &quot;imperfectionism&quot; overshadows the field of translation, both modernist and TR/KJB (e.g. Gomez),
d. there is a lack of competency, time, money and resources to develop singular focus of foreign translations, especially to small dialect groups, and
e. there seems to be a lack of will or lethargy in general surrounding the whole attempt to keep the foreign translation movement afloat (God\'s providential use of the Laodicean spirit)

Now, the advantages of English teaching and the King James Bible are:
a. by learning and using English, natives are given personal and commercial advantage,
b. by having the King James Bible, they have the very source of authority itself in perfection (not requiring dependence of imperfect mediators to give them the Scripture),
c. by having access into the highest form of Christian knowledge, this aids and speeds true unity of Christians around the world, and
d. by possessing the truth itself, this cuts out massive areas of the false doctrine of modernism');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('769', 'a7d6a29b7f', 'The Protector, 25 May 2008', '[img:a7d6a29b7f]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:a7d6a29b7f]

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WELCOME! [i:a7d6a29b7f]The Protector[/i:a7d6a29b7f] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

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HAS GOD SET UP ENGLISH FOR THE END TIMES?

I believe there is a Scriptural case to build in favour of converting the Jews and so on not in Hebrew. It says in Isaiah 28:11, &quot;For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.&quot;

If a minister of the Gospel is going to the Hebrew or Greek to teach the Scripture, or if their ministry is focusing on the Hebrew and Greek, that would be saying that the Holy Ghost, that is, God, is using the Hebrew and Greek. (And He has for a long time.)

But this prophecy in Isaiah explicitly states that the teaching of the Gospel would not be in the Jews\' native tongue, for it says, &quot;another tongue&quot;.

Someone might attempt to argue that it was Greek, because the Gospel came in Greek in the New Testament. However, there are several signs that show that Hebrew was the proper tongue (see Acts 1:19), and that even preaching was at times in Hebrew (see Acts 22:2). Moreover, God\'s speaking to the Jews did not conclude in the Greek language era, and certainly promised conversion of Israel was not accomplished, therefore allowing us to see that the conversion of Israel is yet at hand (see Romans 11:26).

If Protestant believers are to preach to the Jews, would they speak Bible Hebrew? No. Would they speak Bible Greek? No. But they certainly could use English to preach to the Jews. If we take that a step further, one should believe that we shall do so.

Take a look at Zephaniah 3:9, &quot;For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.&quot;

What is the pure language? It is not modern Hebrew, not modern Greek and not modern English. It cannot be Bible Hebrew in the primary sense, because the prophecy says that the people would be turned to &quot;a pure language&quot;, indicating that the language did not yet exist on Earth. It would have to be a language that would be accessible to all God\'s people, and would be the basis of true unity of true believers. It surely must be the English Bible being spoken of: only the King James Bible language is pure, where every word has its meaning, and every use of language is exactly proper. (Even the places where it says &quot;a house&quot; as opposed to the places where it says &quot;an house&quot; are correct.)

The Word is actually designed to go to the Gentiles. If the world has one language as common, then it fits that the Bible conducive to this global language is set up by God. &quot;For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.&quot; (Romans 15:4). Unless we have one Bible, how can we with one mouth glorify God? (see Romans 15:6)

Clearly, it is not the reviving of Hebrew, or a Gospel message with delving into the original languages which must go forth: but the preaching of the King James Bible to the Jews and to the world. This is a provoking approach, and completely counter to the &quot;conservationist&quot; view of the world.

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Statement on a sound Authoritative English Bible view, explaining that we should aim to go for the King James Bible only, without going to the extreme of denying what God has used to the present time. 
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=174[/url]

The English Bible Missionary Movement
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=175[/url]

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Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('770', 'dd3b5e7d2c', 'Church Restitution: an overview', '1. Times of refreshing are to precede the return of Christ for His Church. “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you” (Acts 3:19, 20).

2. That the calling of the Gentiles began after the Early Church began, and is to be complete before the Millennium comes, that is, that Christ should come for many saved from among the Gentiles, “Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.” (Acts 15:14–18).

3. That Christ’s return at Armageddon should be when Israel is converted, therefore, when He comes for His saints at the beginning of the tribulation, there should have already been an acceleration towards this, with Jewish conversions and massive Gentile conversions preceding the tribulation. In other words, it is incumbent upon the last end of the Remnant of the Church among the Gentiles to bring the Gospel to the Jews and to the world to begin to convert them in a striking way, so that the Christianisation of the world would have advanced to such a point that the final Antichrist and so on would not merely be “new age” but actually false Christians using Christian terminology, which means the great extinction of Islam, and to a large extent, Buddhism, Hinduism and secularism before the tribulation. Also, massive inroads against Judaism, Catholicism and other false forms of Christianity. “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob” (Romans 11:25, 26).

4. That Christ through the Church should rise up, and that Gentiles should believe, even though Christ is personally in Heaven, yet His Church would grow up into Him in all things on the Earth, to be the perfect man upon the Earth, though NOT to set up a throne for Christ, and NOT to set up the Millennium, and NOT for the Kingdom of God to take over from the present earthly kingdoms, and NOT to deny either the translation of the saints, or His personal coming in the clouds with His saints at Armageddon. “And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.” (Romans 15:12).

5. That Christ is coming for a prepared Church, “Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.” (Ephesians 5:25–27).

6. That Christ is coming for the right Laodiceans, namely, those who have been purged from all false brethren, false doctrines and other problems prior, and have entered into great Christian attainment, “I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.” (Revelation 3:18).

7. That the everlasting Gospel be taken by believers to reap a great harvest, “And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people” (Revelation 14:6).

“Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.” (Revelation 14:12–16).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('771', '5a50cc4ac9', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'For some time now, we have been examining the following:
(1) Traditional Pentecostals used the King James Bible almost exclusively.
(2) Traditional Pentecostals emphasised holiness and purity.
(3) Although many of today\'s &quot;Pentecostals&quot; are given over to modern versions, there is still a significant amount of use of the King James Bible, indicating the godly tradition has persisted to the present day.
(4) At one stage in the 1900s, Pentecostals listened to lies and forsook the godly Traditional Pentecostal position of holiness and usage of one pure Bible.
(5) For there to be a reversal, there must be repentance and a return to the usage of the pure King James Bible.

There is every evidence that the leaders of the Pentecostal denominations made decisions to believe the lies of modernist scholars and turned to modern versions. By doing this, they have led astray many and introduced much wickedness. &quot;If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants [i:5a50cc4ac9]are[/i:5a50cc4ac9] wicked.&quot; (Proverbs 29:12). Godly rulership in the Church would be as follows: &quot;Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.&quot; (1 Timothy 5:17). Such elders would not listen to lies.

&quot;Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.&quot; (Jeremiah 23:1).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('772', '6ff4a0048a', 'Are some World Bibles PCE?', 'I have a pocket size World Bible that is the smallest I have ever seen.  It is the size of a casset tape case and fits easily into almost any pocket.  I actually have two of them.  One is genuine leather while the other is vinyl cased.  I have tried to test this Bible to see if it is PCE and it has passed every test.  Is anyone here aware of this Bible?  Can you verify that it is PCE?

The number on the Bible\'s spine is 891.  The number inside is 800-10-50911.  The following links appear to be the same thing or similar:

http://www.amazon.com/Smallest-Pocket-Bible-KJV-Version/dp/0529058383/ref=ed_oe_o

http://www.alibris.com/booksearch.detail?S=R&amp;bid=9313295403&amp;cm_mmc=shopcompare-_-base-_-aisbn-_-na

Thanks … Blake

PS:  I have much to say to the Brothers on this website.  More than I have time to share right now.  You have been a blessing.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('773', 'e2af22b9b6', '', 'Hello Blake.

If the Bible matches up to the tests, it is a PCE.

I have a Collins printed little Bible, which has &quot;WS801&quot; and it seems identical to the layout of the first link you provided: The one on the amazon link is a PCE.

The other link does not work (because it is a link of a search, not a fixed page).

All the best.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('774', 'e965500882', '', 'Some World and Collins printings are identical on the inside, therefore some World Bibles are PCEs. But not every Collins or every World is right. So they should always be checked. Same with any Cambridge/Pitt Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('775', 'e25a2cc6fc', 'PCE World Pocket Bible', 'Great Bible there Blake!
Looking forward to hearing from you!
God bless you and keep you, and make you a genuine blessing to all.
Especially to the Good LORD above!

PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('776', '6dc5230f89', 'The Prosperous Church', 'The Philippian church was a giving church. This put it in a prime position for receiving abundant blessing from God.

Paul said of the Philippians: &quot;Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only. For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity.&quot; (Philippians 4:15,16). This church was an example to others. It supported ministers of God in the work that God had called them to do.

The blessing they received was because of their obedience to God\'s Word in tithing and offering. The blessing of provision is not for those who are stingy or disobedient. &quot;But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.&quot; (Philippians 4:19). There are those who quote this verse without understanding the responsibility of obedience that goes with it. God will supply all our need as long as we look to building His House.

&quot;Ye looked for much, and, lo, [i:6dc5230f89]it came [/i:6dc5230f89]to little; and when ye brought it home, I did blow upon it. Why? saith the LORD of hosts. Because of mine house that is waste, and ye run every man unto his own house. Therefore the heaven over you is stayed from dew, and the earth is stayed [i:6dc5230f89]from [/i:6dc5230f89]her fruit.&quot; (Haggai 1:9,10). Prosperity without God is both useless and destructive. The righteous will always look to God\'s House in his considerations. Those who neglect God\'s House - the Church - will have famine come into their own lives.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('777', 'daa844ab07', '', 'Thank you Peter.  Yes it is a great Bible.  I used to carry it with me all the time and part of the back cover broke it away.  My wife was working part time at the library and she said someone there could fix it so I let them give it a try.  The women at the library were amazed at the beauty of this little Bible.  My wife Heather said that the gal that fixed it was under extream stress because she was terrified that she would damage it but she tried to fix it anyway.  She did a terrific job fixing it.  You can\'t even tell it was broken.  In fact it is better than ever.  Praise God!  I have been travelling quite a bit with my new job and this Bible is a constant companion.  It allows me to carry a Bible around at work with no one knowing because it is so small (yet suprisingly readable).  When I can get alone I take it out for a washing in the Word.  Now that I know it is a PCE it is even more special.

Though I have not gotten rid of any of my KJV Bibles I am always keeping an eye out for PCEs for new Bible purchases.  When I read my Cambridge Goatskin Concord at least I can tell most of the differences between it and the PCE thanks to this website.  The differences stick out like a sore thumb now.  Nice to have the new SwordSearcher 5.3 be PCE.

Blake');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('778', 'c20209c6c5', 'Detailed list of differences in KJB editions', 'Here is a detailed list of variations or differences in current King James Bible editions.

[url]www.bibleprotector.com/editions.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('779', '26beb1f4cd', '', 'Restitution and the English Language.

I will endeavour to gather a few arbitrary points without presenting a thorough or even fully ordered view of the subject at hand:

Three areas:
A. The past, what does history show?
B. The present, what does providence show?
C. The future, what does prophecy show?

In regards to seven areas:
1. The Word
2. The Church
3. Language
4. Nations
5. Communication technology
6. Harvest
7. The mystery

1. A. The best Bible was the AV, above all others
1. B. The AV can be shown to be final, supersuccessionary to the originals, other translations and other English Bibles
1. C. That only ONE book is common, implied by Isaiah 34:16, Psalm 40, etc.

2. A. The English Church was the best out of the Reformation
2. B. The highest attainment and most of the remnant is in English-speaking nations with the greatest understanding
2. C. That there is to be a unified body of true believers in the future, see John 17:21-23, Eph. 4:13, etc.

3. A. That the English language has been used very widely in Bible printing and missionary endeavour
3. B. That the English language is now global, and the King James Bible very widely known and accessible
3. C. That “another” “pure” language is to be used, as shown in Isaiah 28:11 and Zeph. 3:9, this cannot be Bible Hebrew, because it must be another, turned from it, it cannot be Bible Greek, because the Jews were not converted by it, and there is no “pure” OT in Greek, and it must have not yet come to pass the fulfilment of the prophecy, because then the Jews would have been converted, and the name of God revealed, as yet uncertain to many: but there is one Bible and one Gospel which is prepared for them, though they have rejected it, and there would always be some rejection until the tribulation, when the Jews would finally fully be converted. Therefore, it must be before the tribulation that this “other” tongue exists, which is the one which must be common, and give them and the world access to the true Word, which is of course English, and for the purpose of the final and true and pure Bible. (The KJB is better than any Bible ever, because even the originals were not all in one volume together.)

4. A. That England, America and British Commonwealth nations have been the primary and best vessels of God for the Gospel in history
4. B. That at present the highest forms of Christianity are in the English-speaking nations of the USA and the UK, passing over into Australia and New Zealand, and also into many nations and the world
4. C. That God would yet use certain nations for the Gospel, as he said, “from the uttermost part of the earth”, “from the ends of the earth”, see also Matthew 21:43, Rom. 10:19, etc.

5. A. That the printing press was utilised for the Gospel and Word in Britain in abundance
5. B. That the internet, which is largely English, has many copies of the KJB, including knowledge of the pure edition
5. C. That one Bible is standard and ensign for all, see Ps. 68:11, Is. 18:3, Is. 59:19, etc.

6. A. That God has ever worked according to the binding together of these five principles towards certain ends, e.g. the KJB in Britain, speaking English, preaching aboard, reaching many and having great blessings and revivals, from the Reformation until the twentieth century.
6. B. That likewise, in the USA we note that the KJB is present, as may be witnessed with the present signs, such as internet development, etc.
6. C. That the Gospel must come forth in power, and that the vehicles for the historical antichrist be consumed, such as, the prestige of Romanism, the Northern Confederacy of Russia-Islam, and the false versions etc., that there is a spewing out of Christ of the lukewarm, that there is a manifestation of God’s vindication of His name JEHOVAH according to what are actually the pure Words, see Proverbs 30:5, 6, (i.e. the KJB) and also, that the whole area of modern versions be exposed as false idols and utter foolishness in the eyes of the world. Thus, that the Gospel going forth would be the continuation of the historical and present trends, which would indeed be in English, since that is both the global language and fairly common among Jews today. This is shown in the parable of the mustard tree, Revelation 14, etc. etc.

Finally, I might add some explanation for the Isaiah 28:11, Zeph. 3:9 in regards to Is. 52:7 and Deut. 32:21, etc. namely, how the last days conversion of the Jews is begun. It is evident that the Gospel must come to them in conjuction with the defeat of the Northern Confederacy, after which God\'s spirit should be present for the Jews, and that there would be a movement to bring the fulness of the Gentiles in (see Rom. 11:25) which should be preceded by the signs of great blessing for the Christians (see Rom. 11:12), that the Jews may believe by and with us (see Romans 11:31). After the Church is in this period of &quot;latter days glory&quot;, there is the translation of the saints. Then the conversion of the Jews is finalised after the departing of the Bride, but it was begun beforehand. This is a very brief explanation of the &quot;times of restitution&quot;, which is the doctrine of the mystery, &quot;Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus&quot; (Col. 1:28), that is, that the Gospel in English should reach every man by us, who speak English, and it is us, because we have the perfect book, and all the other things provided, including the English language itself.');
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THE CONFERENCE OF SCRIPTURE WITH SCRIPTURE

The Bible says, “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15).

The correct way to study the Scripture is to open it up, and to open up our hearts to God, “And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures” (Luke 24:44, 45).

Many people talk about interpreting the Scripture based on three things:
1. What do the “Greek” or “Hebrew” words really mean?
2. What did those words mean to the original hearers?
3. What does the context of the passage show?

This is a simplistic, misguided and even deceptive approach.

1. There is no need to go to the original languages if we believe that the Holy Ghost is present, and that God has got His Word to us, “But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith” (Romans 16:26).

2. Often, when a person wants to know what the Scripture meant to the original audience, they are attempting to divorce the presence and reality of the Scripture from the present, i.e. “I don’t have to obey this, it was only for them, etc.” Moreover, it is a way of controlling the past in the present, meaning that anyone can say today that a Scripture meant this or that in the past. It is just a present interpretation, subject to change in the present. Of course, those who have the Spirit of Truth will have the proper interpretation.

3. Many times people are slave to what they call “context”, which means limiting a word or doctrine or Scripture to a particular passage, when in fact every idea in the Bible should be seen in relation to every other idea.

a. The conference of Scripture with Scripture, comparing words and passages is going to give a proper meaning, not just reading the surrounding verses (though it is helpful and valid to do so, it would be a limited view to interpret in the light of surrounding Scripture alone).

b. That very many Bible ideas are built up, and it is required to know either certain Biblical principles as well as specific other teachings of the subject at hand. For example, to understand the application of something from Deuteronomy requires knowledge of general New Testament ideas concerning the law, as well as specific New Testament understanding of the subject at hand.

c. The comparison of one word to another word cannot really be accomplished when the original languages are viewed, because the linking of ideas is different in the original languages than English. This is not to deny that perfect knowledge was unavailable, since the Holy Ghost was always present, but now perfect knowledge is accessible by the viewing of the English Scripture (with the Holy Ghost). This can be either where the same English word is used for different original words, or where different English words is used for the same original words. In either case, the English is always correct, and the Holy Ghost has made available a presentation of the Scripture which has perfection in the internal conference of it. (Especially since both testaments together have never existed perfectly in only Hebrew or only Greek, or in the respective testament languages perfectly in one volume.)

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List of differences in common KJB editions today.
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This message is of utmost importance. All of this is through proper spiritual discernment - some may mock at the revelation! &quot;But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.&quot; (1 Corinthians 2:14). Once the impact of a unified evangelistic approach is understood, the Church will be seen, not as a defeated organisation, but as the very Body of Christ with the message of Christ held out for all to see. The choice of God as to which language He uses is to be seen as something done for His glory, not for the glory of the Englishman. The vehicle of English for the perfect King James Bible was God\'s choice, not man\'s. It may be foolish in the eyes of some but this is irrelevant in the historical perspective of God reaching out to the people of the world through what He has chosen.

&quot;But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty&quot; (1 Corinthians 1:27).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('782', '4981d23baf', 'Personal thanks', 'Matthew,

I wanted to thank you Matthew for posting the detailed list of differences between KJB editions.  I intend to study this list intently.  It appears that some of the differences are not just spelling!  However it is interesting that some editions change Musick to Music.  I think this is an unfortunate mistake because the original spelling ties itself to the root word sick.  Early in my reading of the KJB this spelling helped me understand that sick can mean under the influence in a way that takes a hold of your physiology against your will or to your detriment.  Musick can certainly influence us in stronger ways than we realize.  If you indulge in bad musick you will get sick spiritually emotionally and then physically.  I can\'t find this definition of sick in Websters.  But I feel there is something to this.

Do you or anyone else have any comments that might help on this connection between sick and musick?

Blake');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('783', '8c8199b205', '', 'The Scripture says, &quot;Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.&quot; (2 Tim. 2:15).

The way to study the words of Scripture is not to approach them with the doctrine of man or private interpretations, but according to the Spirit of truth.

Studying the Scripture words would not be unreasonable nor unspiritual. It is unreasonable to attempt to approach the words unscientifically or unhistorically, and it is unspiritual to make connections between Bible words and concepts which do not exist.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('784', 'b8a2425ac2', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '&quot;Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.&quot; (Zechariah 8:3).

The prophecy points to a time when Jerusalem will be &quot;called a city of truth&quot;. This means that all leading by God is towards truth for mankind. This also means that there must come a time of end for modern version use since modern versions are in the opposite direction of truth. &quot;Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.&quot; (2 Timothy 3:7).

There must be a standard of truth for Jerusalem ever to be called a city of truth. The King James Bible is the demonstrated standard. &quot;Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.&quot; (John 17:17). Without an error-free standard there will be no city of truth but the reality is that that standard has been established in history. For the Traditional Pentecostal, the power of God to change a city must be that the city conforms to the truth of God through the Spirit of truth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('785', 'f3013473a2', '', 'I appreciate your response.  It is helpful in judging my own thoughts and actions concerning these things.  I receive correction from the Lord on this.  I can see that my approach to these issues will not be edifying to myself or the work of the Lord unless I properly ground it in Him.

Blake');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('786', 'eb792fef6b', 'Brother Tim Keyes\' Statement of Faith in the PCE-KJB.', 'The following is a brief explanation of the background for the position that I take on the inspiration, preservation, and translation of the Scriptures.  It is from a post made on another board where I was debating a &quot;freedom reader&quot;.

My experience with the accuracy of Bible began with the teachings of my father who was my pastor throughout my life until his death in 2004. He never debated the issue, but simply spoke of the pureness of the Word of God as being a present truth. The only critical statement that he made showing that there was an issue is that he always referred to the RSV as the &quot;reversed version&quot;. The Living Bible had also come on the scene and was rejected as having any true value, along with other popular paraphrases of the time. When I entered into the seminary where he was also the Old Testament Professor, the Statement of Faith identified the Word of God as being present and inerrant. Within a year and a half, the wording was altered to an increasingly common phrasing that the Scriptures were inerrant &quot;in the original manuscripts&quot;. At that point, we decided to leave the seminary.

After we left the seminary, I operated a Bible bookstore for a brief time. Zondervan was one of my suppliers, and as such sent me a copy of their new New International Version New Testament for review and promotion. When I received it, I flipped through it, barely glancing at the wording because the footnotes caught my attention. As I read on page after page the varied phrasing of the footnotes all pointing toward a questioning of the validity of the text, I knew that this new version was not possibly an accurate translation. When I spent more time reading a few pages out of John, my first impression was reinforced, and my spirit rejected this flawed attempt. It was not until much later that I learned about the source text and its difference to the traditional texts used by the KJB. A similar determination occurred when I later scanned the new NKJV. It seemed to me that there was a simple truth. The KJB was God\'s Word and all others were attempts to make it &quot;easier to read&quot; while at the same time bringing into question its accuracy. I did not realize the depth of the issue, only that I knew what was true and what was false.

From the late \'70\'s until the mid \'90\'s, I did not focus on the issue very much. Occasionally, new parents would ask why we only used the KJB in our school, and I would explain that it was the only Bible that had been accurately translated into English. The controversy had not been noticeable as of yet. When my first child (#3 by birth) entered into college at Pensacola Christian College, I perused their bookstore for the first time. It was then that I first saw books on the issue. Dr. D.A. Waite\'s books seemed to be popular, so I bought several. Not long afterward, I had a chance to have a brief conversation with Dr. Dell Johnson, and get his videos. Very soon I realized that the issue was much bigger and tougher than I had known before. From that time to now, I have sharpened my view as I read and listened and meditated. I have attended a five-day seminar with Dr. Waite (who is not a KJBO in the strictest sense - TRO is more appropriate). I have read much of what David Cloud has written, as well as a number of others in the conflict. I have not read Ruckman, though I have read and listened to some of his disciples. I have spent much time on the internet (as you are aware) discussing the issues with many diverse individuals. Nothing that I read or heard positively or negatively altered my position of confidence in the KJB as the pure, inerrant Scriptures. Instead, the positions of those that believed basically as did only strengthened my resolve, and the accusations of the others only opened my eyes to the need to be able to express my belief clearly.

Late last year, I learned about Matthew Verschuur\'s website. As I read the articles there, my spirit was emboldened by the awareness that there was truly a need to be very specific in my position. While I had never put much thought into the various editions of the KJB and its history, I had already noticed the different spellings that existed, and I had determined within myself to use an older copy of a Cambridge Bible as my standard. I must admit that it had been one of my father\'s &quot;preaching&quot; Bibles, and thus also had sentimental value. Little did I know that it was a printing that has now been given the identity PCE. Because I do not believe in coincidences, this was seen as a confirmation to me personally that my position was right.

While there is much for me to learn about the history of the Bible and background of the KJB Itself, I have come to my conclusions by the logic of faith and not be the arguments of men. God will not leave Himself without a pure witness. The battle for the pure text is centered on the KJB. It is the focal point of all attacks. It is the standard by which all other versions are compared. I am willing and happy to place my complete confidence that the KJB, and specifically the PCE, is the exact, inerrant, absolute Word of God!

While I might at some point attempt to put my belief into a single declaration, for the present, I can say nothing better than what Matthew Verschuur once posted. It is at the same time the simplest and also the most comprehensive declaration of his (and my) position. He said,

[quote:eb792fef6b]    &quot;In short, they were the right men at the right time in the right place that knew the right things so as to rightly select the text of the Word which matched exactly to the long lost autographs as was attested to only by copies, and were able to rightly translate it, sense for sense, without deviation, without addition or subtraction, and without any substitution of the sense, so that what we have today is the Word of God, now set forth to be the Word of God for the world, to be presented by the myriad, yet in one standard, agreeing, central and universal form. &quot;[/quote:eb792fef6b]

I do not by these statements that I have made expect that the mind of any reader might change. It may be, however, that these words might spur someone to seek out for themselves the truth that God desires all men to know. Each of us will give account of ourselves to God individually. I am prepared to stand confidently before God Himself and answer for my faith in the KJB.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('787', 'da45ad2154', 'The translation of the saints', 'The God of the Bible is all powerful. He controls history and will finalise it when the time is right. The second coming of Christ with His saints is with great demonstration of power. &quot;Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.&quot; (Revelation 1:7).

The question often asked is: What happens to the saints between the translation of the saints and their return to Earth with Christ?

&quot;After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.&quot; (Revelation 4:1,2). John was told to &quot;Come up hither&quot; into Heaven. What he saw in Heaven was that it is a place of much activity, which affects the activities on Earth. John was representative of translated believers in that they too will be witnesses of much activity in Heaven as well as partakers of some of those activities.

Christians should know that what they do in this life are works that must be judged by God, not to determine salvation (since that was bought and paid for by Christ) but to determine future rewards and roles. &quot;For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.&quot; (2 Corinthians 5:10).

The judgment seat of Christ will be in Heaven and before the return of Christ with His saints. This judgment has rewards and losses, yet salvation is not taken away. &quot;For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man\'s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man\'s work of what sort it is. If any man\'s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man\'s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.&quot; (1 Corinthians 3:11-15).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('788', '95ba4d9b8c', 'Simple answers to hard questions about King James Bible Only', 'SIMPLE ANSWERS TO HARD QUESTIONS

1. The translators said, “so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is not so clear, must needs do good”, and that there “is great probability for each”, that is, either the margin or the main text as being correct. Does this mean that the main text alone is imperfect? How could it be possible to argue for the King James Bible only, when the very translators said there was “doubt”?

The simple answer is that God has given one Word, and that while some places it was difficult to determine out of the historical evidence the genuine text, or the proper translation, whatever the translators judiciously decided was the correct text after great and thorough study, was placed as the correct text, and all other information or variations, which must have always had a less than equal probability, was relegated to the margins. Even if the case was exactly 50/50 either way, they had a choice as to what would stand as truth, and what would be otherwise. The translators were honest, in that they provided the greater public a full view of their choices, and the consensus has always accepted their work. God Himself has vindicated it. Therefore, once these things are understood and accepted, there is no need for personal studies into the marginal notes to see whether they are right or not, but keeping them into the future allows for anyone to make such inquiries. However, there should never rise the need to doubt the received tradition concerning this.

2. The translators said, “variety of translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures”. Does this mean that the King James Bible was not a perfect translation? Does this mean that other translations are as equally as valid?

The simple answer is that God has given His Word. That means the full message is available, having gone forth to all nations, and is available in English. The variety of translations were profitable for the King James Bible translators to ensure they had the sense correct, but once they had created their translation, no more inquiries into the variety were necessary. This having been completed and finalised, looking at the King James Bible as a singular authority is the only valid and profitable approach now.

3. The translators used italics to indicate words not presented in all the manuscript evidence, or words that were given in English, not expressly existing in the original languages. Do the italics indicate imperfection of the English Bible?

Italic typeface should be preserved, because they give indications as to what may only exist in part in the evidence, or have been given in English to complete the sense. All words in italic are completely the Scripture and true in either case, because they are words which were in the original autographs, or are the necessary words to render the full and exact sense of the meaning in English. They do not add to the Word of God, and they are not incorrectly placed or used.

4. If the King James Bible is perfect, why were there printer’s errors?

God has guaranteed to preserve His Word. This is despite all the mistakes and variations that exist in the original language manuscripts, which have not been enough to destroy the Word. Even all the scattering, including corruption and deliberate destruction of Scripture copies by the enemies of God has not been enough to cause even one inspired word to be lost. When the King James Bible was made, it was the correct text and translation, despite the lower level of printing technology of the day, or the fluid mode of spelling, or any other alteration in presentation.

5. If the King James Bible is perfect, how could it be so, except the translators were inspired?

It is possible, under they guiding providence of almighty God, that human endeavour submitted to Him may accomplish certain things, including the wonder of having a perfect text and translation. But this was accomplished because of providential reasons, namely, that the right people were brought together at the right time with the right learning and access to the right sources to conclude the King James Bible. The translators were not inspired, yet they recognised that “through the good hand of the Lord upon us, [they] brought the work to that pass that you see.”

6. If the King James Bible was perfect, why were people using the Geneva Bible after the 1611?

There are several reasons why the Geneva Version continued to be used for some years, which mainly was based upon tradition or habit. Only a relatively few who tended to be extremists rejected the King James Bible. The translators themselves knew that they were in a superior work, “to make a good one better, or out of many good ones one principal good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath been our endeavour, that our mark.” Most people recognised that the King James Bible was indeed the best, and that nothing could justly be said against it.

7. How can the King James Bible be perfect if there was and is different editions?

The simple answer is that there has been a purification of the presentation. That means that typographical errors have been corrected, the language standardised and other regularisation introduced. The line of editions from 1611 to the Pure Cambridge Edition show this tendency, despite the minor aberrations that have occurred along the way or in concurrent editions. The text and the translation have not been lost. Any edition which is wayward, or which continues to diverge from or yet is made to alter from the Pure Cambridge Edition is obviously leading away from the proper presentation, and more radical examples show increase departing from the King James Bible proper. Thus, despite the existence of differences, there is one standard edition.

8. Why do the translators of 1611 not indicate that they are “King James Bible only”?

The doctrine of King James Bible only actually exists in several forms, some of which are either less developed, or more erroneous. The King James Bible only doctrine has developed over time as legitimately as doctrines like that of water baptism have developed from the Reformation. The current King James Bible only ideas have largely been articulated as a response to modern versions. However, a general trend or spirit of King James Bible onlyism, or belief in the full truth of present Scripture, existed from the Reformation and has gradually diminished from the late nineteenth century to around the year 2000. As late as the 1980s, modern versions were still viewed with suspicion by many. Clearly, just as apostasy has progressed, so has the understanding of the providence and vindication of the King James Bible progressed.

9. If the perfect Word of God exists in the King James Bible, what about other versions, even good ones? And what about people in other countries?

It is a great lie which states that the truth is only or fully in the original languages. If it is only there, then God is limited. Furthermore, no single full and perfect form of either testament can be produced in the respective original languages. To have one whole Bible in one language, which is correct both in version text as well as its translation must be the best. There have been and are many adequate and good Bibles, but the King James Bible is perfect. Since the world is learning English, it is much better to concentrate on getting people to use the King James Bible than anything else. Having one standard world Bible in the Millennium is reasonable, but having one Bible for the world before the tribulation would be good and a great sign of God. True doctrine would be linked to the King James Bible. Therefore, in the future, all true Christians in the whole world would be using the King James Bible.

10. If there is only one edition that is pure, why are good Christian people yet using other editions, or even other versions and translations?

Some people are ignorant of the issue, and others are yet facing constraints and barriers which are keeping them from fully using the pure presentation of the King James Bible.');
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WELCOME! [i:5564239625]The Protector[/i:5564239625] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

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THE END OF SECULARISM: THE NEW DARKNESS AND THE NEW LIGHT

The Gospel, the Word of God, was supposed to go into all the world, to every nation, to the uttermost part of the Earth. These are not just commands, but are promises that the Word should be present. And they are not just promises, but commands, that we must actually do something.

People may think that places like Australia are becoming decreasingly Christian. They may not be able to point to any nation on the Earth where the Gospel is increasing. Yet, the Scripture points out that, “From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, even glory to the righteous.” (Isaiah 24:16a).

The knowledge of the Lord could only come from the uttermost part of the Earth if there was a yet a preserved remnant there.

The secularist doctrine has de-emphasised religion, or any particular idea as being “right”. There is no “right” or “wrong”, but personal choice, and as long as the individual does not harm others. But this includes removing notions of helping others (or else having duty and service to others being all the more false by removing any Christianised view). Secularism has destroyed errors, has kept in check false religions and has kept people to some degree preserved. But it has also allowed for atheism and humanism. Therefore, it is in vain, except that God would be able to stir up and have people come to the truth. Secularism can “tolerate” error, and can even “tolerate” ideals that work against itself. Therefore, when secularism falls, it is either to some extreme political (and religious) nightmare, or else for the true Gospel of the Lord Jesus.

We find, “All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.” (Psalm 22:27). There is hope for Christian revival in Australia and New Zealand unlike other nations, because the Scripture clearly indicates that it is the periphery parts of the world where He works, especially where there was once a strong Protestant and evangelistic presence.

The Scripture shows that there are people of God who have a calling, “Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people. Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.” (Isaiah 62:10, 11).

Long before the USSR collapsed, a man of God had a vision of a snake being cut up. He made a prophecy about the fall of the USSR. He said that Christian ministries should go in and then get out. Then the place would burn to the ground. He added that it might be because of the translation of the saints, though he emphasised that he had not had the full interpretation at that time. Certainly, Russia has been opened to the Gospel, but Russia’s destiny is to be a world leader for a season of an antichristian sort, as is shown in Ezekiel 38 and 39.

The current secularism in Russia would be overtaken by a new extremism. That kind of threat to the world, especially in the face of violent expansionism coupled with Islamism would itself show the weakness of secularism. But unless God’s provision of light is present in a nation in such hours, nations would find themselves in great despair and darkness.

Romanism has been gradually consumed by secularism: many have freely attacked or ignored it, and it has lost much, yet through Christian compromise, retained a prominent religious place. Scripture indicates that it should be God’s Word that hurts Romanism, not just the “earthly” events of general rejection of religion. Thus, God must raise up a mighty witness to His Word which would actually convert people to the truth.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('790', '0afe236fe4', '', 'IS THE ENGLISH SERVANT TO THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGES, EQUAL OR SUPERIOR?

1. The word &quot;jot&quot; or &quot;tittle&quot; does not imply limitation of the preservation of the true Hebrew alone, in that &quot;jot&quot; and &quot;tittle&quot; are actually English words with English meanings, and being used in the King James Bible, must validly be able to apply to that version. (If Matthew 5:18 applies to the Hebrew, how is it that Jesus was speaking Greek at the time, and if the real meaning and implication is concerning the Hebrew, how come isn\'t the &quot;real&quot; definition also given in Hebrew or Greek, but with English words?)

2. There is no standard single extant perfect text of the Old Testament or the New Testament in the respective original languages. Neither is one forthcoming.

3. Since the world knows English rather than Bible Hebrew or Greek, it would follow that the full Gospel would come forth to the Gentiles in English rather than Hebrew or Greek.

4. That while the original languages were the source for the King James Bible, that once the full meaning had been rendered into English according to the &quot;standard&quot; of the originals, that the English Bible may equally be used as a standard, for that it equalled the proper text and the proper, full and exact translation. In fact, the English would be superior in that no single &quot;version&quot; or text in the originals is final standard to the &quot;jot&quot; and &quot;tittle&quot;. Moreover, there is nothing to prohibit the superintendence of the Holy Ghost over the transmission of the Scripture, including that it is reasonable that He should be able to bring the full meaning into English via translation.

5. That the accuracy of the Scripture must be separated from whether or not there were flaws, copying mistakes, printer errors or spelling variations in some or various copies or editions at any time. The inerrancy of Scripture does not primarily imply that every copy would be correct to the jot and tittle. It does mean that the Word would never be lost, and that it would be gathered, refined and purified.

6. The ultimate outworking of God would be to have a correct &quot;jot&quot; and &quot;tittle&quot; accurate English presentation, as is consistent with the idea of perfection, because not only would God care concerning the correctness of the text and translation being gathered in a book, but that He would also outwork that the very presentation of the Scripture be free from any typographical error or unwarranted variant spelling. This has been the result of a long process, and not instantaneous. Therefore, the 1611 Edition of the King James Bible cannot be counted as the authoritative standard representation of the proper presentation of the Word in regards to typography and spelling.

7. The outworking of God has not been to guarantee the continued preservation of His Word in Hebrew or in Greek, but is primarily and demonstrably concerned with the preservation of His true Word. His Word has, in its supersuccessionary and final form is in English, as may be seen by all factors working together so that the King James Bible is alone held as authority by true Christians throughout the world.

&quot;He is the Rock, his work is perfect&quot; (Deut. 32:4a). &quot;As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.&quot; (Ps. 18:30).

If the King James Bible is not the very Word of God, where is the exact and full Word of God today that is in one book, exactly, perfectly, fully, utterly, accurately, ultimately, finally and to the very jot and tittle? When will Christians have full access to the very words of God from one place or by one sure method with nothing added or depleted? Are those who deny a proper view of the pure King James Bible alone really in the worst category as described in Deuteronomy 30:11-14?

&quot;For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('791', '290af3133e', '', 'Does the doctrine of having a perfect Word apply before there actually is one?

The perfect Word of God existed on Earth since inspiration was complete in the time of the Apostle John, but was scattered, and has been given in various versions and translations, but never fully in regards to the exact text or in a perfect translation in one place totally. This is not to deny that the Word of God was perfect in the past, or that any good version was not the Word of God, or that even the Vulgate was not containing the Word of God, but that there had to be a process where the Word was gathered into one exact translation, being the King James Bible. Thus, the Word of God was presented perfectly as a whole long after the perfect individual Autographs were made.

This principle is consistent with the fact that men were preserved of God for salvation before Christ ever came, or that the Word of God was said to be in all the world before it actually arrived to every last place. In other words, to approach the King James Bible by faith that it is exactly the Word of God is consistent with the Scripture it contains, and that since it is the Scripture, everything about itself is self-authenticating. Those who ridicule believing the King James Bible “by faith” and “circular reasoning” are actually ridiculing the foundation of the true Christian religion.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('792', 'a92d7ddd95', '', 'HOW TO FIND OUT THE MEANING OF ANY WORD OR PHASE IN THE KING JAMES BIBLE. IS THE HEBREW AND GREEK NEEDFUL?

I would not recommend Webster\'s Dictionary to help with the words, because Webster was a King James Bible &quot;corrector&quot;. The best source to use for English words is the full Oxford English Dictionary. The OED is the authoritative record of historical English usage.

As for words within the King James Bible itself, it is possible by context and the conference of Scripture with Scripture, to understand the meaning of words. This is because the King James Bible consists of Biblical English, which differs from standard or ordinary English as to its use and meaning, and reveals complexity and accuracy beyond the use of English in any other work or form.

Here is a basic explanation:

1. Every single word in the King James Bible has been rightfully used in each place, every word is exactly in its proper place with the proper meaning.

2. That there is a reason why one original word may be translated differently into English, or whether different original words may be translated with the same English word. The fullest meaning will be found in holding each English word as correct.

3. That there are reasons why a synonym is used, rather than the same English word, e.g. for subtle shades of meaning, for better rhythm, etc.

4. That even a slight difference in an English word has a different meaning or different usage, each being used correctly in its place, e.g. beside and besides, sometime and sometimes, etc.

5. That each word is used according to Biblical English grammar (which is not identical to modern grammar).

6. That each word, set of words, representation of concepts, form a structure, such as a continual alternation, inversion or division of ideas.

7. That each word or phrase may be understood by a provided form of self-definition, which is by reading or understanding the context, as well as the conference of Scripture with Scripture.

8. That one word can have different possible meanings. For example, the word &quot;wine&quot; indicates grape drink, thus, not always meaning that it is alcoholic.

9. That the exact meaning of each word is entirely accurate, being a sign of the divine imprint, not only in the inspiration, but in the superintendence of the Holy Ghost over the transmission and presentation of the Scripture.

10. That the exact presentation of the King James Bible, down to the very letter, most completely gives the best view of this perfection.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('793', '98c2897a37', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'Modernism has brought wrong thinking into the Church. This thinking is unbiblical and aimed towards adoption of error. The following are a few examples that are particularly relevant to the pancosmics (false pentecostals).

Pancosmic philosophy: &quot;I am in a relationship, not a religion.&quot;
Biblical position: True Christianity is pure religion as opposed to corrupt or false religion. &quot;Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.&quot; (James 1:27). People can have vain religion if their tongue is not kept in check to agree with the Bible. &quot;If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man\'s religion is vain.&quot; (James 1:26).

Pancosmic philosophy: &quot;We hate the sin but love the sinner.&quot;
Biblical position: There are two sides to hatred - there is a cruel ungodly hatred (see Psalm 25:19) or there is a perfect, godly hatred. God hates certain people. &quot;The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.&quot; (Psalm 5:5). &quot;These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: ... A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.&quot; (Proverbs 6:16,19). Christians are to agree with God. &quot;Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.&quot; (Psalm 139:21,22).

Pancosmic philosophy: &quot;All tradition is wrong.&quot;
Biblical position: There is ungodly tradition and there is godly, received tradition. The ungodly tradition is illustrated in the following: &quot;Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.&quot; (Mark 7:13). The godly, received tradition is illustrated in the following: &quot;Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.&quot; (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

Pancosmic philosophy: &quot;The Bible must be updated to suit contemporary society.&quot;
Biblical position: There is only one, correct Bible, not many contradictory accounts. Through the godly, received tradition, we know this to be the King James Bible. &quot;Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.&quot; (Psalm 119:140). It must be a settled, not shifting, Word. &quot;For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.&quot; (Psalm 119:89). It must be near to us, not far away or locked in the varying minds of scholars. &quot;But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach&quot; (Romans 10:8).

Traditional Pentecostalism rejects the modernism that has arisen through the adoption of a false word as though from God. There has been a false tradition and philosophy that many have now accepted to their great detriment. &quot;Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.&quot; (Colossians 2:8).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('794', 'd6cf81e140', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', 'God expects His people to take by faith what is rightfully theirs as Covenant people. The devil will always try to steal what God has provided. God has provided wholeness, and the devil will try and steal it and replace it with disease and infirmity, in other words, so there will be a lack of wholeness. But there should be no lack of anything good for God\'s people (see Psalm 34:9, 10). He\'s a good God, and wants to pour out His blessing. However, each Christian must examine their own heart. Is sin present, thereby giving the devil grounds to operate? Doubt and pride are classed as sin. 

God has provided redemption from the curse through Jesus Christ (see Galatians 3:13). The devil will still try to entangle Christians with things of the curse, such as sickness, and this is where the fight is on. It\'s the good fight of faith though, because God has given Christians the victory through Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:57).

&quot;And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.&quot; (Matthew 11:12). God has called Christians to violently take what is theirs, and the Kingdom of Heaven suffers (allows) it. Praise God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('795', '2ed6361d6f', 'Are differences between KJB editions concurrently correct?', 'Are differences in King James Bible editions like “or” versus “and” at Joshua 19:2, “she” versus “he” at Ruth 3:15, “flieth” versus “fleeth” at Nahum 3:16, or “further” versus “farther” at Matthew 26:39 all concurrently correct?

To say that the version-text and the translation of 1611 is correct does not mean accepting that all the variations in King James Bibles are all correct. That would mean that the typographical errors were true. Moreover, it would mean that God is the author of confusion, and that he is a liar.

Take for example Exodus 23:23. Some editions have the word “and”, and some do not. It may not seem to affect the meaning very much, but it is a word difference, and every word matters according to the various Scriptures.

While there may be an overlap of meaning between “further” and “farther”, or “flieth” and “fleeth”, they are still separate words with separate meanings. This is plainly clear from examining both the Bible and the Oxford English Dictionary, and nothing reasonable has been presented to even begin to refute this. Running off to the Hebrew or Greek or Webster’s Dictionary to attempt to “prove” otherwise only results in foolishness. It would mean that God is a God of “yea” and “nay”. “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” Those who promote the King James Bible and yet agree that differences are really the same are in this much more advanced than the worst of the modern versionists.

Take Ruth 3:15, where the word “she” obviously means something very different to “he”. It is a change to the Word of God itself to go one way or the other. No appeal to the Hebrew or other versions is going to justify allowing both renderings as correct: it has to be one or the other. People might try an explain how both renderings are applicable, but it is evident that only one word belongs, only one is right, and so it comes down to a choice of one.

All these examples, and many others, are of clear differences, things which cannot both be right. The zealousness for this is for the words of God, and that it is reasonable to see that there is a right edition.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('796', 'ff84fde0a5', 'What is Biblical preaching?', '&quot;And it came to pass, that, as the people pressed upon him to hear the word of God, he stood by the lake of Gennesaret&quot; (Luke 5:1).

The expectancy of the people in this case was &quot;to hear the word of God&quot;, not for other lesser reasons. The best congregation is the one that [b:ff84fde0a5]wants [/b:ff84fde0a5]the Bible to be preached. The expectancy is to grow in faith (see Romans 10:17). This is the type of people that can be used of God because they want to hear Him. Biblical preachers desire people to hear God - this is the major aim. If people do not hear, then they will not act or obey and the will of God in their lives will not be done.

The congregation that hears God will [b:ff84fde0a5]always [/b:ff84fde0a5]be attentive to the Bible, so the Bible must be preached. &quot;My son, attend unto my wisdom, and bow thine ear to my understanding&quot; (Proverbs 5:1).');
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ONE WORD BY ONE CHURCH REACHING ONE WORLD

When we read the King James Bible, and find the word “thou” or “thee”, it is referring to one person. It is singular. But when it says “you” or “ye”, it is referring to more than one person. It is plural.

The classic example is when Jesus said, “Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.” Jesus told one man (thee) what all people (ye) need to do.

Once we understand this (since every word in the Scripture is pure) we can soon see that God wants His people to collectively be what He said, and to all follow His commands. There are many Scriptures which say “ye” or “you”, meaning that it applies to all believers. And it applies to all together, not just to a few, or just to individuals. “Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.” (1 Corinthians 1:10).

Belief is an individual thing, but the Bible shows that there should also be a collective obedience. Matthew 28:19 and 20 shows this: “Go ye therefore”. That means the Church should be operating, not just a few people, “and teach all nations ... Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you”. Notice that it is nations, whole groups, which are being taught.

Consider that God is speaking unto “you” plural in this Scripture: “But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith” (Romans 16:26). Whole groups of people are supposed to be obedient, not just individuals. While each person must make their own choices, the working of God is to have the whole Church advancing and being built up together.

The Church cannot collectively be doing the work and will of God if it does not have the true Word of God as foundation. Therefore, having the King James Bible as the basis is an issue of vital importance.

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The authority of the King James Bible, preached by Matthew Verschuur on the 10th of June, 2008 at Victory Faith Centre. This sermon provides an overview of the authority of the King James Bible as being the very Word of God in English.
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Are all different KJB editions correct and pure in every place all the time?
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('798', 'c1bf2cdcd3', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '&quot;Let all things be done decently and in order.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:40). It is clear that God is orderly, not along the lines of confusion and error. God\'s orderliness is supremely shown through His Word, which has been preserved historically through His providential care.

Traditional Pentecostals love the following about the fact that there is only one Bible, namely the King James Bible:

(1) It gives certainty: &quot;a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us&quot; (Luke 1:1a) and &quot;That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.&quot; (Luke 1:4).

(2) It is a sure foundation for faith. &quot;If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?&quot; (Psalm 11:3).

(3) It is not subject to change like a modern version newspaper story. &quot;For the truth\'s sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.&quot; (2 John 1:2). God\'s Word is the truth (see John 17:17). &quot;Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.&quot; (1 Peter 1:23).

(4) It is a powerful weapon against error. &quot;For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.&quot; (Hebrews 4:12).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('799', '36c8be328f', '', 'The translators of 1611 said: &quot;that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English set forth by men of our profession (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God&quot;.

They are talking about the English translations of Tyndale to the Bishops\'. They are comparing that situation to the Catholic English translation. They are not talking about Latin or Greek, but about English. And in English, they accept that every Protestant Bible is the Word of God despite the slight differences between them.

Now, I could say that the Word of God was in Latin, because I know that the Celtic Church was using Latin manuscripts. However, although the editions of the Vulgate are presentations of the Scripture, I know that there are imperfections with it. What I am highlighting is that there was never an entire Bible which matched in every place to the Autographs because of the great scattering that took place leading to the Dark Ages. In the Reformation, we find that the gathering was taking place, so that instead of having the Word of God imperfectly given in many presentations, this began a trend toward centralising or standardising the text form and the translation, which led to the King James Bible, and in time, has meant that the King James Bible is to be the only standard for the world.

So, where is the inerrant Hebrew or Greek, and how can there be an inerrant English text without there being an extant Hebrew or Greek?

The answer is that there was a preservation of the Word of God in many forms or a variety of evidence, so that while there might be many manuscripts, portions and versions, etc., collectively the Word of God was not lost, and out of all the scattered witnesses, primarily the Hebrew and the Greek, TR editions, and therefore, Protestant Versions were made. Supersucessionary to them is the King James Bible. The process of text gathering and perfect translation was complete by 1611, according to the providence and superintendence of God. He had the right evidence available to the right men at the right time, who used the right learning and right judgment to form the right final Bible, as they called it, one more exact translation into the English tongue.

Matthew 5:18 says that the jots and tittles were to be preserved. Was Jesus just talking about the Old Testament they knew of then? And, if that is what they knew then, would that not apply to the same today?

Jesus was ultimately meaning that the KJB would be the final preserved form. Why should the scattered Hebrew and Greek witnesses be preserved as &quot;scattered&quot; unless there was a gathered form which stood or was built upon that, being the final gathered form. God has not merely promised to preserve a scattered Old Testament and New Testament, He has promised for there to be &quot;the book of the LORD&quot; in &quot;another tongue&quot; (see Isaiah 34:16 and 28:11). There should be one standard in the Church (see 1 Cor. 1:10 and Is. 59:19). If the jots and tittles of the Old Testament are not supposed to fail, then it follows that they should all be together in one place. Moreover, there is nothing to stipulate that the jots and tittles are meaning that it is the Hebrew language only. In fact, to argue that is to agree with the Roman Catholic doctrine of keeping the Scripture locked out of the common tongue, which in the world today in English. The New Testament specifically says that the Old Testament should be made known, i.e. not in Hebrew, &quot;But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith&quot; (Rom. 16:26).

So, how can we really know the King James Bible is right, and really know that it doesn’t have mistakes?

Either we believe the Scripture, and recognise that we have the Word of God exactly in one finite form, being the King James Bible, or else we are yet wondering what exactly is the Word of God out of all the variations, differences, confusion and uncertainty.

Which jots and which tittles actually belong to the Word of God?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('800', '4d59bae41d', 'Teaching of a Pentecostal that seems suspect', 'A good friend and Brother in the Lord gave me some teaching CDs that he and his wife really thought was a blessing.  The teachings seemed good at first teaching of how the Holy Spirit works in our lives.  However when he began speaking of the person of the Holy Spirit he said the intimacy of the Father and the Son birthed the Holy Spirit.  I can\'t find any scriptures that support this claim.  Has anyone here heard of this type of teaching in Pentecostal or &quot;Spirit filled&quot; circles?  Do you agree that the Holy Spirit was not birthed or did not have a beginning?  The comforter is also called the &quot;Spirit of Truth&quot;.  I understand that the Spirit of Truth or the Holy Spirit is eternal and one with the Father and the Son.  I plan on explaining to my friend the issue I have with this teaching.  He may not like it because he is highly enamored with this man and has met him in person.  But more than likely he will consider what I have to say as he is very patient and very humble and he does believe in scriptures as the final authority in these matters.  Any help with prayer and/or advice in this matter will be much appreciated.

Blake');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('801', 'ee2cdbea56', 'Pentecostal doctrine', 'The following is our position on the Holy Ghost:
&quot;Each Person in the Trinity is coeternal and coequal, so that the Father is rightly referred to as God (2 Cor. 1:2, 3), the Son is rightly referred to as God (John 1:1; John 8:58; John 20:28; Acts 20:28; 1 Tim. 3:16; Titus 1:3, 4; Heb. 1:8), and the Holy Ghost is rightly referred to as God (Acts 5:3, 4; 1 Cor. 12:4–6). God is distinct from His creation of the universe and everything in it.&quot; (Victory Faith Centre Church Doctrinal Statement - see Church on this website).

True Biblical Pentecostals acknowledge and believe that the Spirit of Truth, who is the Holy Ghost, is God. God is eternal and does not have a beginning or end.

Look also at the section &quot;Who is the Holy Ghost?&quot; in http://www.bibleprotector.com/The_Baptism_of_the_Holy_Ghost.pdf');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('802', '2b6d0d372a', '', 'I appreciate the reply.  I have much to learn about Biblical Pentecostals and your response confirms what I understood Pentecostals believe about the Holy Spirit.  This teaching I encountered is obviously an aborition and the man either mispoke or his entire message is tainted with that heresy.  The scriptures and repsonse you gave help confirm and prepare me for dealing with this issue.  Baptist helped bring me to the Lord and I agree with much of what they teach and l love Baptist that are devoted to the Word of God and the KJB.  However I also believe that the &quot;Gifts of the Spirit&quot; as still for believers today and that we should seek them earnestly.  That is why I also identify with Pentecostals.

Blake');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('803', '0a59702934', 'Jots and tittles', 'The jots and tittles argument regarding the King James Bible version-text and translation, as well as particularly the presentation is entirely valid.

The law is made up of words, the exact order and existence of words defines every law:

&quot;to keep all the words of this law&quot; (Deut. 17:19).

The words are all in written and print form:

&quot;thou shalt write upon them all the words of this law&quot; (Deut. 27:3).

The words are all very plainly manifest, that each word should be present, none missing, none added, exactly to the jot and tittle plain in print:

&quot;thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly&quot; (Deut. 27:8).

We cannot obey a law which we do not have exactly, or do not know or acknowledge exactly, which means that it must be present totally and utterly:

&quot;Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them.&quot; (Deut. 27:26).

Every single word is written in a book, meaning that the King James Bible is a book that has the exact law in it too:

&quot;If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book&quot; (Deut. 28:58).

Note that the very same law which is manifest and revealed in the days of Moses should be manifest today, exactly, that we may know the exact words of the law today, to the jot and to the tittle:

&quot;but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.&quot; (Deut. 29:29).

We can observe one set of words as law, to have all the words presented correctly and clearly:

&quot;observe to do all the words of this law&quot; (Deut. 32:12).

The Word is in finite form, which means that every jot and tittle may be presented correctly in one place:

&quot;And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished&quot; (Deut. 31:24).

It comes down to a decision to believe that we today have the exact words of God correct to the jot and tittle in the King James Bible, and to understand that we have an exact presentation of the words:

&quot;Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law.&quot; (Deut. 32:46).

Now, some people might have the excuse that the Old Testament is no longer for the Church today, etc., but this is not what Christ indicated.

&quot;Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.&quot; (Matt. 5:17).

Fulfilling means that the very particular details must be fulfilled, therefore, ultimatly the very particular correct jots and tittles of the presentation must be showing the exact truth.

&quot;For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.&quot; (Matthew 5:18).

Every jot and tittle themselves must be fulfilled, and that means that people should acknowledge what are the correct jots and tittles. Therefore, if what is being fulfilled is based on the very accuracy of the smallest part, we should want even the typesetting to be correct in our Bibles now.

&quot;Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.&quot; (Matt. 5:19). 

It can be that arguing for other words rather than the pure words of God could actually be breaking &quot;one of these least commandments&quot;. To say that &quot;flieth&quot; or &quot;fleeth&quot; does not matter does affect one of the very least commandments, for what is the cankerworm of Nahum 3:16 then to obey? Does the cankerworm (a worm is a very small thing according to Scripture) flee or does it fly?

Christ Himself links zealousness for His Word with greatness in His kingdom. It is evident that the case for the purity of presentation of a Scofield edition is inferior to the case for the purity of the presentation of the Pure Cambridge Edition. The PCE argument is Scripturally consistant with numerous verses, such as Matt. 5:18.

Very importantly, James 2:10 states, &quot;For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.&quot; This is a New Testament statement, showing that we should not offend so much as one POINT of the law, meaning that our actions and beings should conform by Christ to the very jots and tittles of the Word of God, and that we should be able to have knowledge by inquiry what those jots and tittles exactly are. We can say that we may gain knowledge of every particular point, jot, tittle and word of the law when we receive that God has supplied it in the King James Bible, and note the presentation of it wholly and utterly and properly in the Pure Cambridge Edition now.

Now, the law says, &quot;For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, [i:0a59702934]and[/i:0a59702934] the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.&quot; (Exodus 23:23). I am sure that the law says, &quot;[i:0a59702934]and[/i:0a59702934] the Hivites&quot;. That is why the presentation is important.

“And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.” (Hab. 2:2).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('804', '0682f6dd22', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'Biblical preaching seeks to instruct the people in the things of God. The inner man is developed as there is proper, obedient response to the Word of God preached.

&quot;He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.&quot; (Proverbs 15:32). There are many refusing instruction from the Bible and so there is great problems that arise in the heart (ie. spirit and soul). The inner man must be built up in faith for the Christian believer to operate in this world properly. Without heeding instruction, there can be no lasting change for the better and so growth is stopped. There can even be a complete response of unbelief and God classifies this as evil (see Hebrews 3:12).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('805', 'bcaf172d72', 'Pentecostal doctrine', 'If you haven\'t already done so, you should read the following thread since it will show you that &quot;Pentecostals&quot; today who adhere to modern versions have deserted their foundations.

http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24

The gifts of the Spirit in their proper operation are very important for a power filled life and power filled Church.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('806', '698806348a', 'Destiny', 'We have been created with the purpose to love and serve God. 

&quot;Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole [i:698806348a]duty[/i:698806348a] of man.&quot; (Ecclesiastes 12:13).

God knows the people yet to be created and He knew us before we were born.

&quot;This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD.&quot; (Psalm 102:18)

God specifically designed where and when we would live on Earth in accordance with His will, that we should seek after Him and live as redeemed people to accomplish the purpose for which we were created:

\'And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; &quot;That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:\' (Acts 17:26, 27).

Therefore we have a destiny given to us by God which He desires that we fulful whilst we are on the Earth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('807', '2b546922b9', 'Answering the imperfection onlyists', '[color=blue:2b546922b9]Here is a summarised conclusion of a discussion with anti-King James Bible only writers, who admit that they have imperfect copies of the Word of God, and deny that there is an exact, correct word-perfect presentation available.[/color:2b546922b9]

While having one standard presentation of the Bible has only been recently articulated, it is in fact a development of general doctrines which have existed throughout Church history. While general observation may have been made of the Scripture at any time even though it was in a scattered form, it was only after the outworking of events which brought together the manifestation, and consequently, a fuller realisation, of the gathered form. In all this, no Scripture is lost between its inspiration and the present, and no Scripture, nor the Holy Ghost\'s intention, changes meaning from inspiration to what is now plainly manifest. 

Since the same Scripture that exists now existed in the past, the same meaning which it has now must have been there in the past. The only thing is that the true Scripture is gathered finally in one place now. Reason and understanding showed people that at their present time, the Scripture was not fully gathered. Therefore they could not logically ascribe &quot;infallibility&quot; to the presentation at their times. (This applies after inspiration was complete, yet at all times God was able to help those who did believe the true Scripture.) Moreover, the Holy Ghost had not yet guided people into a fuller understanding of that truth. The Holy Ghost was actually keeping people from inquiring far along those lines (There was always an acceptance by believers that they had God\'s Word.) Nevertheless, in different languages, and not just with the Vulgate (both in its creation, and in its printed editions), was there workings ever to standardise, correct and otherwise maintain the text and translation. This was not an unending process, but obviously whatever endeavours were being put forth on those grounds, at their times, they did not yet see how there could be an end. The influx of Eastern Manuscripts into Europe, and the printing press certainly aided these efforts tremendously, and it was out of this possibility, by the predeterminate plan of God, that there was one final true gathered form of the text and translation of the Holy Scripture made. Yet, in its time, there was yet but only a little dawning of understanding of it, of what Englishmen now actually held in their own hands. This does not mean that the Scripture was less true to them, or less true before 1611. 

The King James Bible argument cannot be applied unhistorically, as though that because people in the Bible were not using the King James Bible, it cannot be right. Or because the words &quot;King James Bible&quot; are not mentioned in Scripture, it cannot be so. The name of the doctrine, such as &quot;Trinitarian&quot;, etc. is nothing to do with the words of Scripture, it is just a name. It is by believing the Scripture itself which reveals the doctrine which is called &quot;pure King James Bible only&quot;, the doctrine is called that now, but is built upon and describes preceding phenomena. For example, Christ was obviously speaking the same Word which exists now. The King James Bible now is in the same continuum as any scattered form of Scripture which preceded it. It is not as if the Word of God only existed after 1611. That is not what the word &quot;only&quot; should be claimed to mean in the title &quot;King James Bible only&quot;. Rather, it is to recognise that the Scripture has existed since inspiration, and that there has been one manifestation of the presentation of Scripture which has been recognised, and is consistent with the prophecy of Scripture, to be the final, standard and supersuccessionary form. 

The authority of such a view is by a belief of Scripture itself to take such a view, and that the Holy Ghost has led and allowed this. The basic arguments then come down to who is of the Spirit and who is not. The question preceding this would be: Is the belief of the tendency, or possibility, for error greater than the belief that God would operate with those who believe for the tendency toward, and the certainty of, truth? The authority for anyone to believe or reject something is whether it is truth itself. Truth is the basis of authority. Therefore, one who argues for a truth of uncertainty rejects the authority of the argument of one who argues for the truth of certainty. The Scriptural evidence is that God is absolute and certain, and therefore operates accordingly, despite the lack of knowledge of man, despite the developing stages of the Church through history, and despite the sometime scattered and blemished presentations of the Word of God. 

Finally, the Scripture itself must be examined, specifically that of Luke 4, for this is where those who are against the pure King James Bible only view highlight Scripture itself. It is about having the right interpretation. We must believe that Jesus literally read and had the words of the Book of Esaias as are given in Luke 4:18, 19. What we are observing is a Greek translation of the words of Isaiah given in English, this is obvious from Scripture because it is called &quot;Esaias&quot;, and because that is how the differences between the words of the Old Testament and the New Testament in English may be explained, for that the sources were in two different languages. Moreover, history and reason shows that Luke was writing Greek. Even if Christ was speaking or reading from Hebrew, that Luke reported it in Greek is the basis itself for examining the issue (after all, inspiration involves the man Luke directly). Once we understand that we are reading the Holy Ghost\'s inspired presentation in Greek (Luke), as based on an uninspired translation and copy, that was based on an inspired Hebrew original (Isaiah), and all this in an uninspired English translation (the KJB), we may then see the truth of the matter. First, that variety within inspiration is different to variety without. Variety within inspiration is infallible, inerrant and true, etc., whereas variety outside of inspiration, while allowed by God, has worked rather toward a conclusion and fulfilment, rather than to sanction the process as eternal, else God\'s Word would ever be being purified, which is wrong, since they were pure, have been purified, and are now very pure.

So, to what extent God allowed for scattering in the text is evident, while not to cause doubt for a believer as to the important doctrines of Scripture (as the modernists continue to claim), was done by the providence of God so that those who really believed that God\'s power was greater than that of the scattering (e.g. error, corruption, antichrist spirit, etc.) would be overcome by the application of judgment by learned believers to the setting forth of the text in truth, gathered and afterward received by tradition as true: this describes the King James Bible, and disallows continual tampering with or ongoing doubt as to the text form. 

Again, while God allowed variety of translations, most especially for getting His truth out to many nations, and also that they might be utilised profitably in concert as to reveal the sense of uncertain or hard original words, such use for variety in translations has been surpassed by having one final translation. In other words, Luke 4 can be used to argue that God would use translation, but not to be applied eternally or continually for multiple translations, but for one to be standard. Thus, just as Luke 4 presents a Greek standard (as by the Holy Ghost in inspiration), so would the same Holy Ghost outwork by providence to bring about the entire Scripture to be presented in one standard in one translation, that is, in the English King James Bible, this, in conjunction with a rising knowledge of it for it to be the only Bible for the future of the Church in the world.');
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THE APPLICATION OF THE POWER OF GOOD IN THE CULTURAL WAR

A cultural war is taking place, not only in regard to the history of our nation, but also to its future. History can begin with a mythical evolutionary view, and equally mythical tens of thousands of years of Aboriginal “care” of the land, and then the arrival of the British Empire with their “cruel” Christianity. The future at stake is the one where we cannot use our vast natural resources as afforded by Providence for fear of polluting the environment or warming up the planet. And then we are supposed to be part of a global “village” where rich nations are not allowed to trade with or utilise resources the poorer ones, and certainly not allowed to tell the poor nations to be converted the Gospel. Instead, humanity is God, ethics are set by the United Nations and every one has their own inalienable right to be locked into false religion as stipulated by reports produced by committees of faceless European bureaucrats.

And what about the present? The fruits of de-Christianisation are obvious. The cultural revolution which has promised freedom and unrestrained pleasures has also a nasty side, such as increased substance abuse, especially alcohol related violence as well as other problems. All this is quite the opposite of Hebrews 10:24, “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works”. People must think about others. This is not merely talking about giving out handouts, or holding possessions in common. It is about the application of power to promote good, and especially to encourage those who do good to increase.

Romans 10:19b says, “I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.” There is no provoking to jealousy, no showing the superiority of Christianity, as long as Christians are barely doing anything notable for the Lord. Unless there is a change in the nation as made by Christians themselves, people will find that even those of other religions might be able to point at the decadency and promiscuity of Christians. Therefore, a true Christian witness must be ascendant, in order to show forth the power of the true Gospel, and to bring about true knowledge of the past and future.

Christians cannot afford to buy into the deception of the world which basically contradicts and negates Christianity. Rather, Christians must promote the things which are right, and ensure that the Word of God is put as the foundation of the national culture.

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Answering the “imperfection onlyists”
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=189[/url]

The authority of the King James Bible, preached by Matthew Verschuur on the 10th of June, 2008 at Victory Faith Centre. This sermon provides an overview of the authority of the King James Bible as being the very Word of God in English.
MP3 (5.21 MB), 45:31.
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('809', '39abc44637', '', 'VARIETY OF TEXTUAL RENDERINGS OR READINGS

Our King James Bible has, in the margin, other readings or notes concerning these. Yet, there is only one true full text of Scripture. These other readings are wrong ones, which have been rejected from being part of the Word of God, even though they were found in some copies. The King James Bible has gathered out of many sources to distill down to one text. The King James Bible is a refined text. It is the final text.

VARIETY OF TRANSLATION

Our King James Bible was, in its creation, not only based upon the original languages, but also in consultation to a variety of translations. This does not mean that other translations are still possible, or that the King James Bible is not always the best or proper translation. Rather, the King James Bible has presented the proper meaning, and has distilled down from a variety of possible meanings to give the exact meaning. It is a sense for sense exact translation. It is completely accurate with no meaning added or taken away, but exactly the message which God gave.

VARIETY WITHIN INSPIRATION

In Luke 4, Jesus is said to be quoting from the writing of Isaiah, which does not seem to match in the King James Bible word for word with the book of Isaiah itself. This is because both passages are separately inspired, and the Holy Ghost is free to interpret and give the Scripture how He wills a second time in inspiration. Yet, we are informed that Luke is giving a direct quote. Does this mean that we should not locked to having one Bible only? The answer is that while there was one inspiration, and yet many copies, versions and translations, now at last we are back to one Bible for the whole world. There was no variety in inspiration in every place, because each word was inspired only once, but there was variety between inspired passages. While God has worked with the great variety that existed when there was a great scattering in the copies of Scripture, yet God has worked to gather all together, so that we can and should have one Bible made common and standard in the world, which is the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('810', '17b8d5f7a7', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'In his sermon &quot;The moving breath of the Spirit&quot; dated August 1925, Smith Wigglesworth said of the Bible: &quot;All our hope is in the Word of the living God. The Word of God abideth forever. Oh, the glorious truths found therein. Never compare this Book with other books. This is from heaven; it does not contain the Word of God, it is the Word of God. Supernatural in origin, eternal in duration, value, infinite in scope, divine in authorship. Read it through, pray it in, write it down.&quot;

The Traditional Pentecostal has a high view of the Bible. Smith Wigglesworth was talking about the King James Bible, the one he had in his hands and preached from. [b:17b8d5f7a7]This Bible outstrips all other books in value[/b:17b8d5f7a7], including modern versions (which should not be categorised as Bibles). We praise the Lord. We praise His Word. All praise to God for what He has accomplished in getting His pure and perfect Bible into our hands today, despite sin, despite devils, despite false judgments, despite false scholarship. &quot;In God will I praise [i:17b8d5f7a7]his [/i:17b8d5f7a7]word: in the LORD will I praise [i:17b8d5f7a7]his [/i:17b8d5f7a7]word.&quot; (Psalm 56:10).

The low view of the Bible (ie. that it has errors or can never be perfectly translated into English etc) is also a low view of God. It is saying that God is not powerful enough to preserve His Word throughout history. True Pentecostals must avoid this particular view at all costs because it causes people to go astray and not agree with God. This is a travesty and a tragedy.

&quot;But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.&quot; (1 Peter 1:25).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('811', '2453c31522', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy; To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine.&quot; (Psalm 33:18,19).

In time of famine or need, the people of God - those that fear Him - should always look to Him to provide. He is the great source and provider. &quot;O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for [i:2453c31522]there is [/i:2453c31522]no want to them that fear him.&quot; (Psalm 34:9).

The ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ abundantly showed that God is the great provider for His people. The people of God must believe this if they are to receive from Him. Doubt and unbelief can stop the provision. Jesus provided in times of lack, so that His people did not want.

&quot;And they reasoned among themselves, saying, [i:2453c31522]It i[/i:2453c31522][i:2453c31522]s[/i:2453c31522] because we have taken no bread. [i:2453c31522]Which[/i:2453c31522] when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread? Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up? Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?&quot; (Matthew 16:7-10). The lack of bread was not the problem but the lack of faith - &quot;little faith&quot;. Many in the Church have not been taught from the Bible to look to God as their abundant provider but rather they look to the lack and what they do not have.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('812', '8d2d5b30f3', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', 'Knowledge of the Scripture is necessary to walk in wholeness and obtain healing, because it reveals God\'s will to heal. For you to be healed, you must believe it is God\'s will. Therefore, the Word of God needs to be studied, and fed into the spirit. This enables faith to grow. That\'s why the Bible says we must attend to His Word (Proverbs 4:20-22) and that faith comes by hearing His Word (Romans 10:17). Proverbs 4:22 says His Words bring health to the flesh.

When God heals, He does so by the entrance of His Word:

&quot;He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered [i:8d2d5b30f3]them[/i:8d2d5b30f3] from their destructions. Oh that [i:8d2d5b30f3]men[/i:8d2d5b30f3] would praise the LORD [i:8d2d5b30f3]for[/i:8d2d5b30f3] his goodness, and [i:8d2d5b30f3]for[/i:8d2d5b30f3] his wonderful works to the children of men!&quot; (Psalm 107:20, 21).

The entrance of God\'s Word gives light (Psalm 119:130), and faith will replace fear when attention and respect is given to His Word.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('814', '30c0b4c925', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'There is a simple observation that can be made concerning modern versions, which is that they seek to turn people away from a simple faith in one, pure Bible. A warning against this type of thing is seen in the case of Elymas the sorcerer.

&quot;But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith. Then Saul, (who also [i:30c0b4c925]is called [/i:30c0b4c925]Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him, And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, [i:30c0b4c925]thou [/i:30c0b4c925]child of the devil, [i:30c0b4c925]thou [/i:30c0b4c925]enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the hand of the Lord [i:30c0b4c925]is [/i:30c0b4c925]upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.&quot; (Acts 13:8-11).

In this, we see Elymas the sorcerer was &quot;seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith&quot;. Paul was &quot;filled with the Holy Ghost&quot;, so could see the reality in the spirit. Then, he asked the question that can be applied even today: &quot;wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?&quot;

Those filled with the Holy Ghost should be able to see through the perversions created by modern versions. They should be able to see the reality of spiritual truth - &quot;there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.&quot; (Galatians 1:7b). They should be able to recognise the King James Bible as the pure Bible for today.

There has been a great clouding in today\'s churches, so that many cannot see the false scholarship for what it is. &quot;As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.&quot; (2 Peter 3:16). We can even see just from this Scripture alone that &quot;hard to be understood&quot; is no excuse to water down the Word of God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('815', '11fe8d79ee', 'Prayer: Intercessory Prayer', 'Paul wrote, &quot;I EXHORT therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;&quot; (1 Tim. 2:1).

Praying for others was at the top of the list. Praying that they would be open to the Gospel. Thanking God that He had promised to send the Gospel to them. Praying that God would use us and the ministers of the Gospel effectively to reach them.

We should pray, &quot;For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.&quot; (1 Tim. 2:2-4).

He then outlines how God would get the message of Christ to all men, that it was Christ &quot;Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.&quot; (1 Tim. 2:6).

Notice that while God\'s will is to get everybody saved, we also know that there are going to be people who will not be saved. But God is operating to give everyone in the whole world a chance to hear the Gospel and be saved before the end. That is why it says that Christ\'s message would be &quot;testified in due time&quot;.

Now, even though the Word of God is true, and it is inevitable that the Gospel must go forth, this does not mean that we should neglect our part or our Christian responsibility to aid the Gospel and to pray. Prayer is very important. With out it, we are not going to be part of the restoration of godly knowledge.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('816', 'c2877beb9e', '', 'In Ephesians 6, Paul talked about the armour of God, which is applied by knowledge. It must be known and must be undertood how to be used in the Christian\'s fight. He said, &quot;And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God&quot; (Eph. 6:17). The Word of God, for example, has spiritual substance. The way to describe it in the spiritual realm is that it is a sword.

He said to take the Word of God, &quot;Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.&quot; (Eph. 6:18-20).

It is important to pray for the saints, and for the ministers, and for the increase of the Gospel. Praying according to the Word of God, and even praying the Word of God itself, is the way to use the sword of the spirit. Likewise, the same can be said for the other items of the armoury, that they are real things in the spiritual realm and our actions based on knowledge are key in how to utalise this armour.');
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THE HARVEST OF THE EARTH

Seeds have been sown for years by the Church. Prayer, preaching and good deeds all must be reaped. “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.” (Galatians 6:7). There must be a reaping of all that has been sown. All that the people of God have done is not in vain: “and their works do follow them.” (Revelation 14:13b).

The Scripture shows that we are the reapers: “And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” (Galatians 6:9).

Before the return of Christ there must be a reaping: “Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.” (James 5:7).

There are two stages of reaping, that is, two harvests. There is the harvest of blessing and the harvest of tribulation. The harvest of blessing is the restitution of the Church. The harvest of tribulation is the wrath of God poured out into the Earth. Revelation 14:16 says, “And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.” This is good. But then, another reaping is coming, “And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.” (Revelation 14:19).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('818', '5bfbe26fd2', 'God\'s intention at inspiration', '&quot;Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzi-bah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.&quot; (Isaiah 62:4).

There are two unusal words in this verse, &quot;Hephzi-bah&quot; and &quot;Beulah&quot;. The thing is that the verse gives the meanings of these words. But we can assume that in Hebrew the meaning would have been obvious to the Hebrew audience. Therefore, we must consider why God gave the words and definitions, unless He was really planning that the Word of God would not be limited to Hebrew, and more specifically, would one day be in a worldwide Bible in English.

Those who think that trying to find the meaning of the &quot;original languages&quot; is where the &quot;real meaning&quot; is &quot;hidden&quot; are looking in the wrong place. The Scripture itself is indicating its own design to be properly in another langauge. In fact, Isaiah 28:11 prophesies this.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('819', '4426a1e043', 'Intercessory Prayer', 'I agree with what you\'ve said, Matthew.

When we pray for others, we can be assured that it is God\'s will, based on 1 Tim. 2:1. This includes praying for our enemies. They need prayer. The Word of God has wonderful promises about prayer to anchor our faith on. One of these is Matthew 21:22:

&quot;And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.&quot; 

Before we do so we should ensure that what we are asking is in accordance with God\'s Word (which is His will).

&quot;And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.&quot; (1 John 5:14, 15).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('820', '0c28a30ac4', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;I had fainted, unless I had believed to see the goodness of the LORD in the land of the living.&quot; (Psalm 27:13).

The Church should be believing to see the goodness and prosperity of God. The attitude of “not believing unless I see” is an attitude of doubt as to what God wants for His people. “Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.” (Hebrews 3:12). Many people have been instructed against believing for prosperity. How tragic!

“Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy” (1 Timothy 6:17). God is a good God and loves to bless His people. He wants us to enjoy our lives as we serve Him. “O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.” (Psalm 34:8).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('821', '1a1f82669e', 'Edition count', 'Matthew, I know that there can be different counts based on the criteria that are used.  Could you answer this quote from Dr. Ruckman?  I copied this from an attack by Rick Norris on my statement about the PCE being the seventh and final true edition of the KJB.  My initial reaction would be that the &quot;editions&quot; here should not necessarily be considered so because the wording changes do not rise to that level, but I am unfamiliar with the details of this part of the edition issue.  In checking with your listing (1611, 1611-2nd, 1613, 1629, 1638, 1769, 1900), I would also assume that Dr. Ruckman is counting Cambridge and Oxford editions as in the same line.  Again, I am not familiar with the particulars here.

Norris\' quote:
[quote:1a1f82669e]Peter Ruckman wrote: You are going to impress us by telling us that there were five or seven major editions when we have a list which gives fourteen (1612, 1613, 1616, 1617, 1629, and 1630, with the King\'s printers; then 1640, 1660, 1701, 1762, 1769, 1833, 1847-1851, and 1858)&quot; (Biblical Scholarship, p. 46). Ruckman wrote: &quot;We have the list of the fourteen principle editions of the Authorized Version right here on the desk&quot; (p. 364).

Ruckman claimed that there were fourteen major editions of the KJV, and he does not even include your 1900\'s Cambridge edition.[/quote:1a1f82669e]

Thanks,
Brother Tim Keyes');
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Argument One:

The presence of marginal notes such as, at Luke 17:36, &quot;This 36th verse is wanting in most of the Greek copies.&quot; does not mean that the translators were, in their final collective judgment, uncertain as to the text or translation of Scripture. If they were really uncertain, they would not have included that verse. Interestingly, they do not comment upon when they omit material found in the manuscript evidence, which indicates that while they made a show of uncertainty, they presented their work as to be judged on its merits. Telling the honest truth about the rareness of a reading is a lot different to saying that they thought it wasn’t Scripture.

As I shall explain yet again shortly, the presentation of the facts concerning the manuscript evidence is vastly different from actual doubt as to the content of Scripture.

Argument Two:

That whatever is in the margins is never an alternative to the Scripture, and that the 1611 men utalised their final collective judgment as to what stood as the text of Scripture, and what did not, thus being placed in the margins (i.e. centre column now).

Argument Three:

The utilisation of italics either to give a minority rendering, or to complete the sense in English, is not in any way an addition or subtraction of Scripture, nor is this method any way to doubt as to the very words of Scripture, but is an honest policy. That the italics read as part of the text is obvious.

Argument Four:

The existence of the word “but” in 1 John 2:23 in paranthetical marks is the completion of the sense of the original, and the second portion of that verse is found in minority attestation, however, that it is part of Scripture without doubt is obvious for the reason that the italic typeface in no way indicates anything different about Scripture itself. They are only a technical phenomena in both utalisations (minority readings or completion of the sense in English).

Argument Five:

Lack of regularisation in italic typeface in the printing of 1611 is primarily a sign of the haste of the printer, not the translators. However, since the use of italics in no way affects Scripture, nor changes the certainty of them in one degree in any place, the use of italics is better today than 1611. As for Scrivener and Norton, these men both were incorrect and ignorant on the proper use of the italics. (What standard was Scrivener comparing to when he attempt to so-called “correct” the italics? Since Norton assumes that the translators were wrong to begin with, any conclusion he comes up with is going to be equally flawed.)

Argument Six:

That true readings are found among the Alexandrian Family is not to be doubted, but all true readings were found and have been presented in the King James Bible. Of course, the Byzantine Family is a solid basis for true readings.

Argument Seven:

That the meanest of English Versions prior to 1611 was the Word of God.

“Now to the latter we answer, That we do not deny, nay, we affirm and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English set forth by men of our profession (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God”

This in no way casts doubt on the King James Bible, since it bettered, in the opinion of its own makers, all those Bibles referred to which came before them, and they do not give grounds that their own work could be improved. Therefore, they are indicating certainty as to their own work as the best and final form of the Word of God in English.

Argument Eight:

That the freedom of use of English words to best match the sense does not require an identity of phrasing of the same English word to the same original word in every place.

“For is the kingdom of God become words or syllables? Why should we be in bondage to them, if we may be free? use one precisely, when we may use another no less fit as commodiously?”

This does not mean that there is freedom in translating yet again and again, or freedom in editing the underlying text yet again and again. This was not even the subject they were addressing. Burgon said, “the plain fact being that the men of 1611 — above all, that William Tyndale 77 years before them — produced a work of real genius; seizing with generous warmth the meaning and intention of the sacred Writers, and perpetually varying the phrase, as they felt or fancied that Evangelists and Apostles would have varied it, had they had to express themselves in English” (Revision Revised, page 187).

Argument Nine:

That the information concerning other senses, which were not the exact Scripture, being shown in the margin (or information about other translations or readings) did not itself impinge upon the integrity of the text, translation or any thing of the Scripture which they wholly presented in the main text.

“Some peradventure would have no variety of senses to be set in the margin, lest the authority of the Scriptures for deciding of controversies by that show of uncertainty should somewhat be shaken. But we hold their judgment not to be so sound in this point.”

While there was a “show of uncertainty”, it was only an uncertainty to the unlearned. Those who thought that there must be a dishonest presentation that Bible preservation did not pass through a scattering, or that it did not require a gathering. On the other side, this does not allow for perpetuated doubt, uncertainty or any kind of actual shaking. Those who read this to mean that their is shakeableness regarding the certainty of the text and translation of the Scripture, and therefore, that the King James Bible is imperfect, are actually indicating that they are both unlearned and ignorant of God’s power. Sound judgment accepts that out of what seems to be a mass of possibilities and probabilities, that one final text can be presented, sense for sense identical to the originals, and given completely in English. The 1611 men did not indicate that their Scripture work that they presented was yet uncertain even in one place, but they did invite the Christian reader to check their work. And after about 400 years, the believers have always had consensus, both tacit and avowed, that the King James Bible is pure and perfect.

Argument Ten:

That there are places where the words or meaning of them were not known by all, yet the translators endeavoured to make things “complete as they should be”, for they studied and sought, so that they could finally “resolve” what would stand as Scripture and what was not, and that rather than present their final work as is, they did the honest thing and showed the other possibilities in various places, that is, the things which were rejected by the translators’ final collective judgment.

“it hath pleased God in his Divine Providence here and there to scatter words and sentences of that difficulty and doubtfulness, not in doctrinal points that concern salvation, (for in such it hath been vouched that the Scriptures are plain) but in matters of less moment, that fearfulness would better beseem us than confidence”

This by no means indicates that the difficulty or doubt is more, or more powerful than what study and the Holy Ghost could do. Rather than yet have the Scripture not fully discerned and known, they went through it, with fearfulness, that is, deference to God, and without the confidence of man: “Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.” (Jer. 17:5). This is not saying that men of God or the translators themselves remained or should yet be unlearned or ignorant, but that after putting confidence in God, that we may find our certainty there. This is exactly missing by those who reject the King James Bible, because they obviously have confidence in flesh, either in the power of corruption to remain, or in the power of flesh alone to just get the best that can be without ever achieving perfection (no perfect Bibles in either of those ways). But to defer to God is connected with getting a perfect Bible.

Argument Eleven:

That the translators consulted holistically the manuscript evidence, commentaries, etc., to find out the meaning of hard or rare original words.

“There be many words in the Scriptures which be never found there but once, (having neither brother nor neighbour, as the Hebrews speak) so that we cannot be holpen by conference of places.”

The translators’ study having been completed, they did indeed gain all the help by the conference of places, and thus gave a final, single correct Bible. No need to yet look at a variety to find the truth.

Argument Twelve:

That the marginal notes were supplied so that the reader might know the honest basis for the case of the technical aspects of the Scripture so presented, and be able to study himself to be satisfied.

“Now in such a case doth not a margin do well to admonish the Reader to seek further, and not to conclude or dogmatize upon this or that peremptorily?”

Never did the translators come against concluding or dogmatising, only against doing so prematurely and presumptuously. One cannot start from a false authority in such matters (e.g. the pope). However, those who reject the King James Bible only have a false authority, namely, a law which states that one cannot be correct, and that the corruption they see in the evidence, men and the world around them must be the overarching factor as how to approach the Word of God, rather than to rely upon the imminence, providence and perfect workings of the Almighty through His vessels, e.g. the Church. Seeking further and studying are commended, but not to doubt, but rather to come to understand the truth.

Argument Thirteen:

To claim infallibility for the presentation and rendering of the Scripture on a false basis or without knowledge is incredulous, and the judgment of men alone is insufficient. Thus, the papist has no grounds. Moreover, those who presume that God cannot give His Word, and question everything or anything, even to the uncertainty as to what it is at any given point, is nothing to do with the Spirit of God’s work: the Spirit of God has made loopholes for those who will not believe, so that those who will believe may always find the truth, and those who do not believe that God would have one perfect Word in one Bible may always, according to God’s supply, always reject the evidence.

“For as it is a fault of incredulity, to doubt of those things that are evident; so to determine of such things as the Spirit of God hath left (even in the judgment of the judicious) questionable, can be no less than presumption.”

The existence of many possibilities besides the King James Bible does not make the King James Bible false. Even the greatest judges in Christian history have been wrong, e.g. Luther or Burgon. This does not prohibit that Christians can be right, or that Christians are barred from access to the full counsel of God. The Holy Ghost has supplied the Scripture in such a way as it needs to be studied and believed, so that people who desire right judgment would actually have to act to find it. To presume something is true (as various modernists do who reject the King James Bible off hand) is as bad as claiming Papal Infallibility.

Argument Fourteen:

That the translators consulted a variety of sources, and formed their collective final judgment afterward was the most profitable method for finding and determine the true sense of the true Scripture which they subsequently presented.

“Therefore as St Augustine saith, that variety of translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is not so clear, must needs do good; yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded.”

We are not ourselves encouraged to begin from a position of doubt, and then to consult many places and many things in order to find truth, that is, we are not encouraged to do as the modern versions and their adherents do, but we are rather profited by the good work with the men of 1611 have already accomplished for us, in clearing up all things, and then where we might study such things (by their indicating margin notes) we ourselves may at any time confirm and agree with their judgment.

This does not mean that a Christian today has to go through every last margin note and thus satisfy himself. If he believes, and has but a general idea of the case, he has the sufficient equipment.

Argument Fifteen:

The policy of honesty of showing their judgment, i.e. the consensus of the collective of the translators’ final judgment, as to what are the final and settled readings of Scripture is manifest, and should be openly viewed, and at any time studied, and judged by the reader. It would be foolish to accept the inspiration of the 1611 translators, or, as many do, to regard them as subject to error, and that their work was liable to be false. That readings may be one or the other does not mean that, after the process of the translators’ work where they did select one over the other, that the one they chose was wrong. Every one of their choices can and should be vindicated by believers.

“They that are wise had rather have their judgments at liberty in differences of readings, than to be captivated to one, when it may be the other.”

There is not a continuing uncertainty, as the modern versions have, as to what is the Scripture and what is not. They have the belief that there cannot be a captivity to anything, in that it might yet be wrong. But this is not what the 1611 translators were indicating, they acted and spoke as if what they presented was the truth, which afterward would be found to be so. Thus, the captivity of God was not “forced” upon people, but as they willingly chose to captivate themselves to one reading and placing other material into the margin, so we today can yield to this, and captivate ourselves to the truth out of knowledge, and that by God.

Argument Sixteen:

That the translation into English was sense for sense accurate, despite whether different English words were used for the same original word in various places or vice versa. Thus, our ability to compare Scripture with Scripture is precise and accurate in English. (This could never be done before to this extent even in the original languages, because not one whole and total perfect extant complete BOOK existed at any time on Earth until 1611, and exactly presented in the Pure Cambridge Edition.)

&quot;we have not tied ourselves to an uniformity of phrasing, or to an identity of words, as some peradventure would wish that we had done, because they observe, that some learned men somewhere have been as exact as they could that way.

This is no way deals with the inaccuracy of the King James Bible, but rather confirms it, as Burgon said, “If would really seem as if the Revisionists of 1611 had considered it a graceful achievement to vary the English phrase even on occasions where a marked identity of expression characterises the original Greek. When we find them turning ‘goodly apparel,’ (in S. James ii. 2,) into ‘gay clothing,’ (in ver. 3,) — we can but conjecture that they conceived themselves at liberty to act exactly as S. James himself would (possibly) have acted had he been writing English.” (Revision Revised, page 190).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('823', 'c2fd59a280', '', '[quote:c2fd59a280]1612, 1613, 1616, 1617, 1629, and 1630, with the King\'s printers; then 1640, 1660, 1701, 1762, 1769, 1833, 1847-1851, and 1858[/quote:c2fd59a280]

This list is not progressive, and is not indicating the succession of traditional editions, and is not showing ones which had a major &quot;revisionary&quot; impact.

It may be a listing of prominent editions: not ones that actually made a difference, just ones that are often cited or claimed by antiquarians, etc.
 
Of course, editions like 1612, 1616 and 1617 did indeed have corrections, but these really came to be gathered or approved by the 1629. The 1629 represents a general completion of the piecemeal corrections/errors of 1612, 1616 and 1617. There are a few minor exceptions in this case.

The 1630 of London is just one following the previous Barker ones, and does not take into account the 1629 Cambridge. Scrivener lists one or two improvements in that edition, but over all it is like a branch of the tree that came to its end.

There is no notable edition of 1640. However, in the 1640s, there are some Presbyterian productions which incorperated Geneva margins. They are of no &quot;purification&quot; value.

In 1660 Cambridge was yet printing KJBs, and whether from the 1650s or 1660s, whether under Cromwell or Charles II, there is no distinction.

The 1701 Edition by Lloyd was hopelessly marred by typographical errors, and has never had any significance, except for its margins which Blayney consulted in the making of the 1769 Edition.

The 1762 Edition is incomplete, in that the 1769 obviously completes the kind of revisionary work there. If you read Benjamin Blayney\'s Report, you will see this.

The 1833 is probably referring to the Oxford reprint of the 1611 Edition. This is nothing to do with contemporary editions, but was a reproduction of the spelling of 1611. This stands completely alone.

The 1850s American Revision is really bad. They changed many words, etc. Much of that was rejected at the time, and has no impact on ordinary KJBs.

Finally, the 1858, which may be the Cambridge Edition of that year used by Scrivener as the basis for his editing work, is just one of a line of CUP printings in the Victorian era. It would be like me singling out a PCE from 1948.

Thus, when Rick Norris says that Ruckman lists 14, I also have a Ruckman list which lists another set of dates too: “In taking the six main copies of the AV (1611, 1613, 1644, 1664, 1701, 1769 and 1850) that result in a purified book”. There are seven major contributing/revisionary editions of the KJB which are part of and integral to the purification process. Also, there is a difference between &quot;fourteen principle editions&quot; or again “six main copies” and &quot;purification editions&quot;.

Moreover, that various KJBO folk have not listed the circa 1900 PCE does not mean that they are correct. This is because there was a great ignorance of the whole issue, including an ignorance of almost anything after 1769, and no real study was done into this area for many years.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('824', '3f6444cba2', '', 'By the way, Ruckman\'s list of &quot;14&quot; failed to list the 1638 Edition, which is one of the most prolific of all.

http://www.bibleprotector.com/God\'s_chosen_edition_of_the_King_James_Bible.pdf &lt;&lt;&lt; COPY THE ADDRESS INTO YOUR INTERNET BROWSER

Rick Norris\' claims concerning this issue are entirely empty. He and his friends aim to sow discord and highlight such things rather than to deal honestly with the facts, because they cannot answer a sound case for purity.');
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WHERE WAS THE TRUE CHURCH BEFORE 1517?

In 1517, Martin Luther sparked what was the Reformation, where the Protestant churches began to rise up. But where was the Church before 1517? Did true Christianity come out of Roman Catholicism?

The Scripture speaks of the Church as being a woman in the wilderness, “And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” (Rev. 12:6). “And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.” (Rev. 12:14).

The Church was being persecuted by the Roman beast, which was being used by Satan. But the Church did exist. There are different bodies of Christians which existed at the same time as Roman Catholics ruled Europe.
1. The Orthodox Church, in Asia Minor, Greece and various other nations, was never fully linked with Rome, and broke away from any connection with Rome in the Great Schism.
2. The Albigenses of southern France and the Waldenses of northern Italy were groups which resisted the errors of Rome in the Middle Ages.
3. Most importantly, the Celtic Church, which existed from the earliest centuries, survived in Ireland, Scotland and Northern England for many years.

Even though various true believers were in the Catholic hold at one time, nevertheless, the roots or Christianity are not Catholic, and the conversion of people out of the Catholic den is consistent with the Scripture, “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” (Revelation 18:4).

It would not be right for true Christians and Catholics to be in any union, because the Scripture says, “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.” (2 Cor. 6:14–18).

There are some big problems with Romanism:
1. Use of idols.
2. Prayer and worship of “the mother of God”.
3. Anti-Christian doctrines promoted by force or stealth by Popes, Cardinals, Bishops, etc.

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Reasons why the 1611 translators believed they had the very Word of God.
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('826', 'd04260f0ab', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '“As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:16).

This Scripture answers the Pancosmic stand of having to “dumb down” the Bible to fit contemporary tastes. Their claim is that the Bible needs to be adjusted or changed, so that it can be understood by modern readers. Thus, it is supposed that a “surfer’s bible for surfers etc.” is necessary. This modernist way of looking at things is a worldly way and has undermined faith in God’s pure Word.

In 2 Peter 3:16, we see why keeping to the King James Bible is absolutely necessary and why there should be no modern version foolishness. We can see the following:

(1) If the King James Bible has “some things hard to be understood”, the solution is not to change the Bible. The solution is to study the Bible and allow the Holy Ghost to guide the believer into truth. “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15). It is no coincidence that modern versions alter this verse to take “study” out of it. The irony is that Pancosmics claim the guidance of the Spirit, yet deny Him when it comes to the purity of the Bible. “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth” (John 16:13a).

(2) Those “that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction”. Wresting the Scriptures means changing or altering them into what they do not mean. It can only bring destruction and the undermining of faith. Trust in God to preserve His Word throughout history is the only consistent way. The received Bible is the King James Bible in English.  Only the unlearned and unstable want to deny the purity of God’s Word. The solution is to become learned in the things of God. Unfortunately, for many Pancosmics they are surrounded by teachers who open them up to the false scholarship of modern versions. The spiritual law of Proverbs 13:20 thus comes into operation – “He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.”');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('827', '696ccdb573', 'The Prosperous Church', 'You\'re right, KJBman777, God does want to bless His children and give good things to them. The Bible says that He gives good things to them that ask Him (Matthew 7:7-11). As Christians, it\'s important for us to see God as the God who meets our needs and that He is willing to grant our desires (Prov. 10:24). God wants His people to have fullness of joy, and to use what He has provided to bless others (so His Covenant is established). That\'s why He\'s given the Body of Christ power to get wealth! (Deut. 8:18).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('828', '4ca801dd7b', '', 'Matthew, thanks for the response.  I had read your short papers on the issue, but was curious about the other years.  I had a pretty good idea what the answer was, but had no real data to back it up.  

I\'m not going to reply to Rick Norris about it.  I already havesaid my good riddances on that site (Shain\'s forum) and don\'t want to get drawn back in.  I made that mistake once already.

May God\'s Grace be upon you and your ministry,');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('829', 'b1922a8a95', '', 'Yes, it is a waste of time to be casting pearls before the swine. Sadly, Shain\'s site has become quite a sty of them. If people are willing to engage honestly, that is good. Rick Norris seems to like asking questions, rather than answering them. He is probably quite pleased that he was able to challenge D. A. Waite\'s numbers on &quot;differences between 1611 and the present&quot;, and have D. A. Waite change revise his opinion. However, often Norris has underlying false premises in his statements, even though he often times marshals facts. The facts are not the problem. It is his interpretation, that is, what he tries to make the facts say, that is the problem.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('830', 'e10d17e24b', 'Casting pearls', '[quote:e10d17e24b]Yes, it is a waste of time to be casting pearls before the swine.[/quote:e10d17e24b]
There are indeed better places to be putting effort in. I can see that those young in the Lord must be shown up-front that the King James Bible is the one true Bible and not to be deviated from. Get a generation like that and the ones who have stayed in the wilderness of modern versions will never be able to keep them back!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('831', 'ebbf4a9f3e', 'What is Biblical preaching?', '&quot;And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man\'s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. (1 Corinthians 2:4,5).

True preaching must come from the wisdom of God. The emphasis on enticing words has detracted many from seeing the way of the Lord. &quot;The fear of the LORD [i:ebbf4a9f3e]is [/i:ebbf4a9f3e]the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy [i:ebbf4a9f3e]is [/i:ebbf4a9f3e]understanding.&quot; (Proverbs 9:10). When the Holy Bible is preached, then there is a connection to the wisdom of God. &quot;By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD [i:ebbf4a9f3e]men [/i:ebbf4a9f3e]depart from evil.&quot; (Proverbs 16:6). The fear of the Lord is absolutely necessary for the people of God to live holy lives. Departing from evil and not covering up wrong doing must be the result of Holy Ghost preaching.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('833', 'd757a27d0e', '', 'What I have shown is that Burgon had a plan (without specific details) to change both the TR and the KJB, or to agree with such things. It was not just &quot;possible&quot; TR changes, but the design was that some of the suggestions would actually be finally taken. And the changes to the KJB included a desire to alter some minor points, such as archaic words or modifying tenses. We do not have the fine details, because the Dean only broadly promotes this idea in his published works. He says that the TR should be changed, but we don\'t know fully know what those changes are. He says that the KJB should be revised, but we don\'t know which verses he particularly means. But we cannot deny that he was a conservative Bible corrector, and much more sound, as when comparing to even the NKJV people.

Burgon’s plan, which was never &quot;formalised&quot;, which outline I have constructed from a general knowledge of Burgon\'s printed work, was promoted by the Dean because he clearly indicated the inevitability and the necessity of revision, therefore, he wished the (deferred) revision to be done soundly:

I. gaining a full picture of the underlying textual evidence with special reference to the Byzantine tradition,
II. the developing of scholarship in “sound” textual criticism, including acquaintance with the LXX, etc.,
III. making corrections to the TR,
IV. translating afresh in places, while keeping the KJB as much as possible,
V. alterations of the English idiom of the KJB where obscure or imprecise,
VI. updating a few “archaicisms” in the KJB,
VII. as to how this is to be executed, could perhaps as an auxiliary “handmaid” volume, or perhaps by marginal references, or perhaps as a new edition wherein would be introduced as few alterations as possible into the Text of the Authorized Version.

I cannot produce any particular reference off hand where the Dean said, &quot;this particular archaic, obscure or imprecise word should be altered&quot;, etc., but we know Burgon did give hints that this was his thinking. From what he stated, it is clear that he thought some revision in the KJB was necessary. Also, he never says the opposite, namely, he never says or rules out that the King James Bible should not be revised or altered. The closest he comes to that is by pointing out the danger of altering the KJB which is a binding religious link, and a recognised monument, etc. I submit that the presentation of my view of Dean Burgon as a potential corrector of the King James Bible is based on sound reality. I emphasise that he must have been on the right side, because he was kept from actually carrying out his designs in this regard.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('834', '1c857a2915', '', 'Those who hold that the King James Bible is perfect in English are not doing so out of lack of knowledge. It is not a blind statement. No, it is the very opposite. It is made on the basis of knowledge of the Word of God. Since we know that &quot;their works do follow them&quot; (Rev. 14:13b), we acknowledge that John William Burgon, Edward Hills and many others historically and presently have highlighted the superiority of the textual basis, the translation and the very English of the King James Bible.

The point is this: we do not have to yet continue investigating various issues, such as 1 John 5:7 as if the case were unsettled. (I suspect that the people who do so often begin with the case unsettled in their own mind, and place the authority of the case upon the &quot;Greek&quot; and &quot;men&quot; until they are convinced of the genuineness.)

But there is now a shift in the view: since everything is going toward English being common throughout the world, since the King James Bible is clearly the best of all Bibles, why should the authority of the King James Bible yet rest upon the Hebrew and the Greek, when the translators and a massive testimony since that time shows that they got it right? In other words, we are now privileged to get hold of just a few succinct presentations of information to gain an understanding of the doctrine that the vast opinion of so many witnesses is greatly and fully in favour of the King James Bible as it now stands.

Just as we accept that the translators got it right in 1611, so that there does not need to be any more textual gathering and translating, so likewise, we should now accept that godly people to this time have presented enough for us to accept the finality that the King James Bible translators got it right in every particular.

We should be able to say now, &quot;I accept the English as is, that it is presenting the autographs exactly, and that this is God\'s very message, down to the very jot and tittle, for the whole world for everyone&quot;.

As a &quot;triumphalist&quot;, I am not attacking the foundation of our position. Our triumphal position is based upon the witness of the facts which men like Burgon, etc. have presented. In my own writings, I have presented Burgon accurately and drawn an interpretation from his work. However, it is really the gathering of the case as a whole, rather than each part of it, to see that all worked together (in a providential continuum) building up and contributing toward one central and final position, namely, that the King James Bible is the standard and only Bible for the whole world.

We are at a point of history where we may gather and reap of what all came before us. Just as the translators were able to get the KJB right in 1611, so we should be convinced from, say 2007, that they actually did get it right. (That is, that God ensured that the right men at the right time with the right learning etc. all came together for the KJB, but also that the right things have all come together that we now be confident in the English Bible as it stands today. This is called practical faith in the providence of God.)

So, the English is final. The meaning of the God\'s Word is there in English. The certainty is there in English. We don\'t have to go anywhere else to find the &quot;real&quot; meaning. We don\'t have to harbour any uncertainty as to various textual or translational questions at any point. In fact, the whole battle of comparing to modern versions is really won. (I walk by faith, not by sight.) We shouldn\'t be reacting to modern versions, because we are on the rock and we cannot be moved. Modern versions are dashing themselves in vain on this rock. Thus, our triumphalist position is to hold the victory that we actually have God\'s Word, and not that we are still trying to find it (as many seek in all the wrong ways and places).

In an age of gross darkness, where the saints ask “how long O Lord?” We find that the patience of the saints is to POSSESS, to keep the Word of God and the testimony of Christ. We must therefore OBTAIN by faith, knowing that all who came before us have contributed to us: &quot;their works do follow them&quot; (Rev. 14:13b). That these things are already supplied to us shows that we are in the privileged position to ATTAIN the blessing.

Thus, God\'s providence has been to give us the King James Bible, and God\'s providence has been to allow for us a foundation of vindication of that Bible, which is such a mountain of victory, that we find that we have the fruits of those who came before us in the great provision of the Almighty. Thanks be to God who has graciously multiplied such wisdom to us!

There is nothing wrong with dredging through old writings, or yet discussing the various things to do with the underlying text. The point is that it is not necessary to pursue the details of this when we have a gathered form of witness. It is exactly the same as saying that we do not know how exactly the King James Bible was made, though we have some idea, but we accept the result. In like manner, we do not have to know the entire body of evidence which vindicates or yet delves into the Greek and Hebrew, etc., to know this simple thing: God’s Word is fully true, right, accurate and exact here and now in this book.

In other words, “we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.” (Rom. 8:37b).');
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THE SEED OF ABRAHAM AND THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH

“Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father\'s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.” (Genesis 12:1–3).

The promises to Abram included that he would have a great nation, that God would make his name great, that he should be a blessing and that in him all families of the earth would be blessed. This is not an unconditional promise. The condition was that Abram had to go forth. If Abram did not go forth, then he would have cancelled the promise, and shown by his actions that he did not believe.

And how did the blessing reach all nations? It was by Christ. “That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ” (Galatians 3:14). “Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.” (Galatians 3:7–9).

The blessing of Abraham applies to Christians. God has blessed Christians so that they might bless others. That blessing should include the same kinds of blessings which Abraham had, such as prosperity, help, victory, favour, miracles and prophecy.

There is something more. As of yet, not all nations or families have been blessed with the Gospel. We should realise that God is wanting to use us to get the Gospel out. That includes in our own nation. God even promises a prosperity for us to accomplish this. The fact is that the Church needs to be prospering and blessed in order to fulfil the Great Commission.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('836', '7380011a54', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', 'The Bible reveals that God\'s power has a positive effect on our physical bodies.

Firstly, the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (which has made us free from the law of sin and death) is at work in our bodies (Romans 8:2). This is a life-generating force, a higher law than the physical law of decay. There is power in believing this and confessing that it is in operation in our bodies. Thus, the Scripture reveals that God satisfies our mouth with good things (including His Word) and renews our youth like the eagle\'s (Psalm 103:5).

Secondly, the Holy Ghost quickens our mortal bodies (Romans 8:11). To quicken means to make alive. God makes alive what was once dead. If our bodies have been damaged by the curse, God can reverse it and restore us to wholeness. His higher law is at work in our bodies, according to the Scripture.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('837', '97aa025064', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'The habit of &quot;going to the Greek&quot; to explain away clear Bible passages or to invent unbiblical doctrines has infected the modern Pentecostals. For example, the Australian Revivalists (who believe people must speak in tongues as evidence of salvation) go to the so-called Greek to &quot;substantiate&quot; their false doctrine: 

&quot;Without baptism by immersion or baptism in the Spirit, there was no real believing, and hence, no real salvation. ... \'Any Greek concordance will assure us that to believe (pisteuo) is to \'adhere to\', \'trust\' or \'rely on\'. In short, to believe embraces placing oneself in the hands of God. To believe the Gospel is to accept the fact that it will be by obeying the commands we are now considering that our salvation will be effected\' &quot;. (Barry Chant, &quot;Heart of Fire&quot;, 1997, p.208.).

Of course, a straight-forward reading of the Bible reveals that believing the Gospel is in the heart or inner man. &quot;That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.&quot; (Romans 10:9,10). Also, the Revivalists and others confuse the &quot;doctrine of baptisms&quot; (see Hebrews 6:2) by not rightly dividing the Word of God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('838', '161a266c34', 'Australia is not Rome\'s vassel', 'Over 600 people attended a special protest meeting arranged by Thomas Foster in the Central Hall on Sunday afternoon, 9th May 1948. This coincided with the visit of Roman Catholic cardinals, who on the same day were holding a ceremony to consecrated Australia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Thomas Foster felt indignation that Rome had the audacity to carry out this consecration in a country which at that point was about 80% Protestant and 20% Roman Catholic. After launching his protest, Tom asked the audience to stand while he prayed for revival in Australia and dedicated Australia to the Lord Jesus Christ.

(Dudley Cooper, 1995, Flames of Revival, pages 60 &amp; 61).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('839', '8aec9cc2af', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'In his sermon, &quot;The Deliverance of Multitudes - How?&quot;, Smith Wigglesworth said: &quot;God has established truth in His Word. Men have tried to bring it to nought. God has His Word in the earth, it is also settled in heaven. If you are on the Word, you are eternally fixed. God has said it, it is established, the Word of God abideth forever. Men pass away, things change, but God\'s Word abideth forever.&quot;

Smith Wigglesworth touched on a very important point, namely that the Word of God is fixed, even though other things change. If a person at the time were to ask him where the Word of God was, he would have pointed to his King James Bible. Those who are Traditional Pentecostals should do the same. The final form of the Bible is here and fixed. If we are to be fixed, we must have a firm, fixed Word. We must have an authority we can point to, not something that changes each year according to the whims of man.

To have a fixed heart Christians must have a fixed Bible. &quot;He shall not be afraid of evil tidings: his heart is fixed, trusting in the LORD.&quot; (Psalm 112:7). Christians trust in the Lord by trusting in His Word. This is clear. &quot;Stablish thy word unto thy servant, who [i:8aec9cc2af]is devoted [/i:8aec9cc2af]to thy fear. So shall I have wherewith to answer him that reproacheth me: for I trust in thy word.&quot; (Psalm 119:41,42).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('840', '9e93187590', 'What are the consequences of false religion?', 'With the Pope in this country at the moment it is sad to see how prevalent Roman Catholicism is. So many people are under the illusion that Catholicism is true Christianity, but it is not. Their official teaching, the [url=http://www.chick.com/reading/books/160/160cont.asp]Roman Catholic Catechism[/url], constantly contradicts the Holy Bible. 

One significant example is that it is a works-based religion, which is in contradiction to true Scripture. The Bible says &quot;For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [i:9e93187590]it is [/i:9e93187590]the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.&quot; (Ephesians 2:8,9). Good works do not lead to salvation, they are a result of it.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('841', '60c5a12fb8', 'The Prosperous Church', 'There is an order in God for the Church to be prosperous. This is to receive that which is good and to reject that which is evil. There are some churches that are set up in the opposite way as follows. &quot;I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.&quot; (3 John 9,10).

These verses tell us that some &quot;loveth to have the preeminence&quot;, which keeps back the glorification of God and the pointing to the ways of God. Such a church cannot prosper and the people in it will not be able to advance in godly prosperity. The malicious words and the casting out of those who would communicate truth is disastrous for any church that wants the way of God. Today, many will not allow words about prosperity or healing or the pure King James Bible - such are acting against themselves and are prideful.

&quot;Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the truth.&quot; (3 John 2,3).');
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THE ARISING LIGHT

“But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.” (Malachi 4:2).

The Lord Jesus Christ is the Sun, and he arises through His Church in history. Christ returning personally from Heaven to collect His Church is the completion of His work with His saints, but it is not how it begins. The Church must “arise”, “go forth” and “grow up”.

“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts” (2 Peter 1:19).

The Bible predicts that in a certain time of history, even though there is darkness around, Christ’s work is in the lives of believers. He promises to have light in the world. He promises to give a dawning for His Church out of the darkness. And He promises that light must arise in each believer.

It is clear this is not merely referring to the second coming of Christ, since the Scripture is indicating the work as arising.

“Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ” (Ephesians 4:13–15).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('843', 'f813087266', '', 'One important word is &quot;supersuccession&quot;. It is succession (a line of things) + supersede (one at the end replaces all that came before it).

Having one Bible as standard and perfect, or having a body of Church doctrine which gathers from others, refining separate &quot;traditions&quot;, etc. are examples. The example is only valid where each individual is valid, e.g. multiple good Bible versions from the past, multiple true denominations from the past, etc.

The supersuccessive form is the one without error, without addition or subtraction: the final exemplar or paragon.');
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[b:3e9879dc73]Do you know the Almighty God?[/b:3e9879dc73] &quot;He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.&quot; (Psalm 91:1). Then you will know that He is mighty enough to preserve His Word perfectly throughout history.

Modernists say that it is not possible that there could be a perfectly pure Bible: &quot;It is not possible to translate perfectly from the original languages into English!&quot; [b:3e9879dc73]BUT do you know that it is possible for God to do it?[/b:3e9879dc73] &quot;And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.&quot; (Mark 10:27).

[b:3e9879dc73]Do you know the God who is control of history?[/b:3e9879dc73] &quot;Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding&quot; (Daniel 2:20,21).

Modernists claim that the Bible must be dumbed down, so that even the simplest can understand it. [b:3e9879dc73]BUT do you know that it is God that opens the understanding?[/b:3e9879dc73] &quot;Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures&quot; (Luke 24:45).

When you can say yes to these questions, then you are on the way to seeing the King James Bible for what it is: God\'s very Word in the Earth today - pure, perfect, without error.');
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God\'s salvation, which includes healing, is known through the clear preaching of the Bible. Preachers have the responsibility to preach the Bible, not the biases of the particular group they may belong to. &quot;How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?&quot; (Romans 10:14).

The saving health of God is known through the preaching of the Gospel. Preachers should not limit this wonderful salvation, which is full of God\'s benefits to mankind. &quot;Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah.&quot; (Psalm 68:19).');
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1. Ask the Lord to help you understand what He is saying in the verse. Then, the Holy Ghost can assist you with revelation knowledge.
2. Use the Bible\'s own in-built dictionary. Find another instance of that word in Scripture and see if it defines the word. I found this with the word \'buckler\', it\'s defined in Scripture as a shield.
3. Once you know the meaning of a word that might seem \'difficult\' at first, then you have not stayed unlearned in studying the Bible.

&quot;Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.&quot; (2 Timothy 2:15).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('847', '752ce1cb31', 'The KJB is for everyone in the world', 'The King James Bible is the best Bible for foreigners.

Someone might ask: The King James Bible is in English, how can it be for foreigners?

While I know that speaking English to those who do not speak English might be called being a barbarian, however, as people are learning English and knowledge of it is rising throughout the world, I am of the opinion that the best method would be to aid and to teach people English so that we could preach to them the KJB. This would ensure that there would be a high degree of conformity in doctrine. I say this because I cannot be sure about various missionary endeavours, and about the strength of salvation of people who believe and/or continue in modern English versions, likewise, even concerning foreign Bibles, even TR-based ones. However, I can be certain of the KJB, and as extraordinary as it may seem to apply my certainty to others, I will promote this end.

Scripture says:

&quot;Thine heart shall meditate terror. Where is the scribe? where is the receiver? where is he that counted the towers? Thou shalt not see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech than thou canst perceive; of a stammering tongue, that thou canst not understand.&quot; (Isaiah 33:18, 19).

While I am not saying that the KJB only is required for salvation, yet, as things work out in history, I believe that the true Church in the whole world will be KJB only, and that one day it would be as if heresy to use another version, and would cause doubt upon salvation that a person used a modern version. But that is what seems to me to be in the future. I know at the moment people wonder, doubt and mock, &quot;How can the \'finite\' KJB be perfect? How can the \'finite\' KJB be the standard for the true Church in the whole world?&quot;

Scripture says:

&quot;From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.&quot; (Isaiah 28:19, 20).');
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WELCOME! [i:f7acded0c8]The Protector[/i:f7acded0c8] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

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CELTIC CHRISTIANITY VERSUS ROMANISM

When the first Roman Catholic evangelist to England, Augustine of Canterbury, arrived in about the year 600, he rebuilt and restored Church buildings. This means that there was a Christianity alive and well in England before the Roman Catholics arrived! In fact, Christianity was present in Britain from the earliest days of the Gospel under the Caesars of the Roman Empire. This Christianity was very different to the superstitious kind of religion of Rome.

That Church which existed before the Angles and the Saxons conquered Britain was the Celtic Church. (This is considered to be the purest form of Christianity that existed at those times.) The Celtic Church did not vanish away. There were churches and bishops, and Scriptures and believers throughout Roman Britain. And this message was taken to the Irish by Patrick, who was not a Roman Catholic.

When Roman Catholicism came to Ireland, they claimed Patrick as their own. But the Christianity in Ireland was quite different to Roman Catholicism. In fact, for many years, a different kind of Christianity was apparent in the British Isles before the Reformation.

What is even more amazing is that there are definite links between the Celtic tradition and the Anglican Church, which in turn, links to the best Christian denominations today.

“Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.” (2 Thessalonians 2:15).

As an example of a writing from Celtic Christianity, look here: http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/etext99/otrob10.txt (starts about a quarter of the way down after all the Gutenberg material).

If you examine what Gildas wrote, you will find scores of quotes from Scripture. Although originally written in Latin, the quotes are known to not match the Vulgate (the early Catholic Bible).

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&quot;Thou art snared with the words of thy mouth, thou art taken with the words of thy mouth.&quot; (Proverbs 6:2).

Our words have a creative power so we should use them as words of life and health. As our words come from the abundance of what is in our heart, a renewing of the mind with the Word of God must be continually practised (Romans 12:2).');
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1. INTRODUCTION

Words are very important. Each word has meaning. And when words are put together, they make a greater meaning.

The Bible is made up of words, and altogether it is called the “Word of God”. Each and every word is important, because it forms part of God’s message. Every word is important, and diminishing or adding to the words would be altering God’s message.

“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.” (Deuteronomy 4:2). God is very jealous of His Word.

When God gave His Word, He was not intending for it to be lost. The Scripture reveals, “The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.” (Psalm 68:11). That true Word was supposed to go forth, and reach the nations.

We can observe that English is the most widely known language in the world, and that the English Bible is the best. If we join these two ideas together, we should be able to see that it is God’s Providence, He wants everyone to be reading the same Word. Therefore, we can conclude that when God inspired the Bible in Hebrew or Greek, that He was intending that one day, His Word would be in one Book, going forward to the nations in one language by one Bible version.

How could it be that the King James Bible is God’s Word for the world? People talk about how the words are old fashioned, and how it may be difficult or even wrong. If the Spirit of God is really behind it, then we should find that the King James Bible is vindicated, and that He is most able to use it to speak to sinners and Christians everywhere.

2. TEXT

When the books of the Bible were first written, they were written in Hebrew, Syriack and Greek. The Biblical forms of those languages are no longer written today, but copies of the original writings still exist, either in scrolls or fragments or in other manuscripts.

Through history, variations in the texts came about, either by copying mistakes or by deliberate corruptions. Occasionally, whole portions of Scripture are missing, and sometimes there are additions to Scripture. (Many modern scholars doubt that the last twelve verses of Mark belong to Scripture. Some want to add other books too.)

However, generally Christians did have and use Bibles (or portions) which substantially agreed. Thus, around the time of the beginning of the Reformation (1517), it was possible to fairly accurately print the text of the Bible after examining various copies.

In time, and as knowledge expanded, it was possible for the men who made the King James Bible in 1611 to be able to discern exactly what was and was not Scripture, and to give it accurately.

In modern times, the view is quite the opposite. People doubt that God was able to keep or have His Word gathered, and many Christians are unbelievers when it comes to having a perfect Bible. But the Scripture says, “Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. ... But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.” (1 Peter 1:23, 25).

3. TRANSLATION

If God is going to speak to His people today, He would not do it in Bible Hebrew, Bible Greek or Latin. God does speak to His people today, and He has, is and will used English to do it. And as the Church increases by Christ’s building of it, the King James Bible should be the primary form of God’s Word throughout the Earth.

The modern scholars seem to have a special delight and mission to tear down the King James Bible. Clearly, Satan has used the Roman system through history, and modern scholarship is backed up by the Roman religion. And so they attack the King James Bible by calling it “inaccurate” or “a stumbling block”. Yet these same people believe that no Bible is perfect (including many pastors, teachers and Bible colleges), and numerous scholars doubt the divine origin of the Scripture.

The modernists think that the authority of knowledge of the real Scripture rests in the original languages (even though they know that there is no perfect form of the Scripture that exists in Hebrew or Greek: every single copy, including all the editions of the Textus Receptus, have variations or little mistakes in them).

They might use a concordance or various other scholars’ opinions to say what a Scripture means. In fact, looking at the many modern versions, which all differ to each other, not only do they have no true Scripture, but every Scripture can be translated so differently that there is little certain meaning, and enough error to cause people to be able to doubt or reject even major Christian doctrines.

For example, a modernist could say that “God forbid” in Romans 11:1 is a wrong translation, because in Greek the word “God” is absent. The answer is that God has been able to translate the exact sense (meaning) of the original Greek (by godly men) into English. At times, the exact words may not correspond between English and Greek, but the exact meaning does. The modernist might say that perfect translation is impossible, but this is an error. The truth is that at times it might take more or less English words to say the exact same thing in the original language. And the King James Bible always gives the exact sense.

4. WHY ENGLISH?

It is no random thing that English is the predominant language in the last days on planet Earth. It is because God has willed that His Word should go forth in one English Bible with all authority.

The Scripture says, “For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.” (Isaiah 28:11). God one day would not speak in Hebrew to convert Israel, but another language. That language was not Greek, because the Jewish nation was not converted to Christianity in the New Testament. It is a prophecy of the future, and all indications are that it is the English Bible which shall be preached to the Jews and the world.

If we look back, we can see that the ideas and words came into English to prepare the language so that it may convey the Word of God perfectly. Latin, Greek and even invented words by William Tyndale all came about so that the very Scripture could be given, completely accurately to the sense, in English for the world.

5. INTERPRETATION

If the English Bible is God’s providentially appointed Word for the whole world, then the primary source for revelation is going to be in the very words alone. The Holy Ghost would use these, and would be able to speak to a studying and prayerful Christian. And He would be able to teach and instruct by godly ministry, especially that which would be connected to this principle.

The Word of God should not be a sealed book, but revealed: “Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.” (Isaiah 34:16).

6. PURIFICATION

If the King James Bible is the perfect form of God’s Word, then all other available forms must be imperfect in some way. The true Word of God existed before 1611, but it was scattered to some degree. The Scripture shows how it was refined: “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalm 12:6, 7).

It is a fact that there are seven major versions of the English Bible which were made from the beginning of the Protestant Reformation. The first was William Tyndale’s printed English (incomplete) Bible. The seventh was the King James Bible, which perfected the text and translation.

Even more, there are seven major editions of the King James Bible. These major editions exhibit some sort of revision which contributes to the purification of the presentation. The purification is in three main categories: correction of typographical errors; standardisation of the spelling and grammar; and the regularisation of the English text.

If someone points to word differences between the 1611 Edition and the Pure Cambridge Edition, these differences can be explained as being: a typographical error in 1611, a standardisation of the language since 1611, or a regularisation of the English presentation since 1611. Sometimes words were accidentally omitted or added or wrongly given in 1611. Often words were spelt differently, and sometimes they appear to be different by their different spellings. And occasionally, small corrections have been made in some aspect of the English text, such as in the use of italics, or in the presence or spelling of a particular word.

7. ARCHAIC, OLD AND HARD WORDS

Modernists often accuse the King James Bible for having old, hard or archaic language. The truth is that many of the old words are still in use, and none of the words are actually obsolete, nor are their meanings lost. The language of the King James Bible is called “Biblical English”. Biblical English is understandable by those who know English, but it differs from normal English because it is really God’s use of English. Therefore it is high, and men should go up to it rather than try and bring the Word down to the common or gutter level.

The word “gay” appears in James 2:3. This word also is used as slang by and about sodomites. But the world’s abuse of language does not impact upon the proper and Biblical use. The same can be said about the word “ghost”.

The modernist claims that it is best to give the Scripture in “today’s language”, thus eliminating the use of “thee” and “ye”, etc. However, not only is “today’s language” always (apparently) changing, but it is a witness that the Bible English stays the same, and is yet comprehensible. The use of terms in the Bible is very accurate. “Ye” and “you” relate to plural, more than one, while “thee” and “thou” relate to singular, to one person. Moreover, the use of words is based on who is doing what to whom. I do to you, but ye do to me. Many aspects of the Bible language can be complex, but they are always exactly correct.

8. INTERNAL DICTIONARY

An interesting feature of the King James Bible is that it internally defines what a word means. This is done by the principle of the conference of Scripture with Scripture. The context or the passage, or a similar passage will define the meaning of an unknown word.

For example, a “buckler” is not a belt buckle, but a small shield. A passage like Psalm 35:2 would help indicate this. The same can be said for a whole list of so-called “archaic”, hard, unusual or difficult words.

9. CONCEPTUAL ACCURACY

Each word in the Bible has meaning, and each meaning is exact to each word. Each sentence has been structured in a way to portray the exact meaning.

For example, the wording, “a dying” (Luke 8:42), “a fishing” (John 21:3) and “an hungred” (Matt. 4:2). is denoting some action not yet finished at that time. This exactness is lost in modern versions.

This principle also applies to words which appear very similar, but have some slight different meaning, like “beside” or “besides”, “alway” or “always”. Noun and verb form can differ, as in, “recompense” and “recompence”. A word like “neesings” has a particular meaning to do with a fire breathing dragon, while a word like “betray” (sell out) has a very different meaning, even a different origin to “bewray” (reveal, perhaps inadvertently).

It should be obvious that the very letters of Scripture are sacred. “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:18).

10. EDITION DIFFERENCES

There are small differences between editions of the King James Bible, which constitute a major issue as far as the accurate presentation of the Scripture is concerned. The issue concerning historical editions from 1611 to 1769 is clearly a process of improvement. Since 1769 there have been concurrent editions with differences. The Pure Cambridge Edition is correct, however, there has been a persistence and even rise of other editions. Small differences can be a major issue, such as when to capitalise or not capitalise the letter “s” on the word “spirit”. In the Pure Cambridge Edition, Matthew 4:1 has “Spirit”, and 1 John 5:8 “spirit”.

Some editions vary on words an meanings. “Intreat” and “entreat” are two different words, as are “morter” and “mortar”, “vail” and “veil”, and so on, yet editions spell these different words all the same way, potentially confusing the sense.

11. RHYTHM IN ENGLISH

It is no coincidence that the accuracy of the ideas of the words and their order in the English Bible is also presented in a way that reads extremely well out loud. This is because the pattern of the syllables has been taken into account, creating a rhythm which matches perfectly to the content.

12. DESIGN FOR ENGLISH

It is as if God had English in mind when giving the Scripture in Hebrew. Hebrew poetry does not fit around alliteration or rhyme, as English poetry does, nor upon fixed metre. The poetry of Scripture is conceptual. 

Every poetic statement of the Scripture may be found to be contrasted with opposite ideas, called “division”, or go between two series of ideas, called “alternation”, or to examine an idea is sequence, and then reverse the sequence, called “introversion”. These methods can be mixed together. This can be given just as well in English as in Hebrew.

Even more interesting is that the entire Scripture itself consists of a structure, which is the construction of ideas by words, in the same manner as is particular to the poetic passages.

14. THE AFFECT UPON LITERATURE

The King James Bible has had massive impact upon literature and normal speech. Many of the classics of English literature take their style and even phrases and ideas from the Scripture.

Today, people speak of a “David and Goliath battle”, and such things, as well as using sayings from Scripture, like, “the skin of his teeth”, “eye for an eye”, “the powers that be”, “there is a season for everything”, “the apple of my eye”, “the salt of the earth”, “the signs of the times”, “the scales fell from his eyes”, “ask and ye shall receive”, “there is no rest for the wicked” and so on.

15. BIBLE QUOTATIONS IN THE BIBLE

When the Scripture was given, there was no mistakes in it. This is because it was God who was using the writers to write His words. The translators of the Bible were not inspired, but there were handling the inspired words of God.

There are many passages where the New Testament quotes the Old Testament, but uses different words. Yet both instances were given by inspiration, and both are accurate. The modernist might point to this and claim that there cannot be one correct English Bible since Christ apparently used different words in Luke 4:18 than what Isaiah wrote in chapter 61.

But we find that since both passages were given separately by inspiration, there is no problem. Especially Luke was recording Jesus’ words in Greek, and the Holy Ghost is free to further interpret or highlight particular portions of the sense of the Scripture. This freedom within the Scripture does not transpose into freedom for continuing many varying translations in English. The translators of 1611 took what was good from many, and gave us a final one.

17. WHAT IS GOD’S NAME?

Proverbs 30:4 asks, “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?”

The answer is God, but what is God’s name, and what is His Son’s name? The answer is to look where the next verses direct: “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.” (Proverbs 30:5, 6).

The answer is in the King James Bible, which is the pure Word of God. It is “JEHOVAH”, which is the name of God the Father. It appears in several place names. Contracted as JAH. That forms appears in many words, most notably as Jesus, meaning, Jehovah saves, Elijah, meaning Jehovah is God, and many other names. It is sounded as it appears in English. In 1611 the letter “J” was presented as “I”, but the sound was the same then as now.

“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.” (Psalm 83:18).

The name of the Son is “Jesus”, which means “Jehovah saves”, see Matthew 1:21.

18. CONCLUSION

Many ideas in this booklet would not have been possible to gather, and would not have been communicated widely, had it not been for the internet. Clearly, God has provided right sources for help at the right time. This means laying aside inferior or even erroneous sources.');
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&quot;Barry Chant comments, \'because of this total commitment to Scripture, many Pentecostals continue [in 1984] to use the Authorized Version of the Bible. There used to be a general, unspoken belief that this version was somehow more spiritual than the others and that most modern versions departed from the original Word of God to a greater or lesser degree.\' [Barry Chant, \'Heart of Fire\', 1997, p.244.] Among the compromisers, of course, this trend changed, and there is, in fact, a correlation between modern versions and the historical \'hiding in caves\' of true Pentecostalism (see 1 Kings 18:4).&quot;

The commitment to Scripture is an important factor in holding to the correct Bible. Traditional Pentecostals have held to (ie. have been committed to) the Holy Scriptures, [b:8feff7687d]precisely because they are holy and separate from the filth of the world[/b:8feff7687d]. &quot;And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.&quot; (2 Timothy 3:15). &quot;And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.&quot; (1 John 5:19).

The taint of modern versions is as a stench to those committed to the Holy Bible.');
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Well, greetings brother &amp; sisters in the Lord Jesus Christ! It has been awhile since my last post and I hope all are well. I agree that we often tend to think the world might be so evil &amp; terrible that The Lord Jesus will have to come on a rescue mission of some sort to save us. I have thought that way at times.

However, I have noticed that it seems that the world is teeming with religion of all kinds including some who claim the name Christian. To refer to Scripture but quite accurate translation: &quot;I am not a prophet nor a son of a prophet&quot;. Yet, I have noticed and maybe this is wrong interpretation by me, but it seems as if the all of the major Denominations[ especially USA ] have large groups that want to support Gay marriage,Gays in the ministry, abortion on demand, and usually the liberal political agenda. It is possible that all of these groups combine into one large body proclaiming other ways to God? I think it is possible and maybe even probable.

Here is why I think it might happen: The world population is not getting less religious but rather more religious. Now, you all know that religious does not mean born-again and Spirit-filled. I think and I want to be open to other thinking on this, by the way, that Christ Jesus as the only way to the Father[ John 14:6 ] is not [ or seems not to be- from my point of view] being preached  in the mainline Denominations and in truth is being rejected. Therefore, those who proclaim the Word of God and Christ Jesus as the King of Kings and Lord of lords, are being pushed to the fringe.

We are looked upon as being the fanatics and those who are on the outside of the mainstream Christian Faith. We have an individual who has sued a Bible Publisher for printing that the Bible says Homosexuality is a sin. I am a United Methodist Pastor and we have Preachers and Bishops who condone Gay marriage and condemn those those who reject it as common behavior. The Anglican Church [USA] or Church of England is about split in two over these and other issues. The California Conference of the United Methodist Church is all but declared it will not punish Clergy who preform Gay Marriages in spite of our General Church saying that
 they should be.

Forgive my rant please. I am sorry to be so long-worded to make my point-the world is becoming more religious rather than less religious. However, it is not the way or the truth or has life. Only in the Lord Jesus will you find those three things.

I don\'t believe the Rapture is a rescue mission, rather I believe it will be one more step in fulfilling God\'s plan for the earth and it\'s people. God will turn to the Jewish People and call them unto Himself and in those seven years, all hell will break loose. I know I don\'t want to be here and I don\'t other people to be here as well. Think of what has happened in the last few years...I won\'t name them but you know what they are and it\'s going to be worse than this?

Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus !

In the name of the Lord Jesus,
John Pace');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('853', 'da93d64bf8', 'Software', 'Brother Matthew, thank you for bring this to our attention. I have downloaded the free trial and I hope to purchase it before the weekend is out. I do have a question, and please forgive me, if I have overlooked anything, but I did not
see where it was stated that the PCE was used in the Translations. I did see where the original 1611 Text was used and a KJV 2000. Perhaps the former was the text that you were talking about.

Now, please I do not,by any means, imply that it is not there. I was looking for the PCE edition and my eyesight is not what it use to be. Regardless, I will purchase the CD, as it has many things one could spend hours searching and reading. I do look forward to looking into it later on.

In Christ Jesus, our Lord &amp; Savior,
John Pace');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('854', 'f61973aa84', 'The world\'s ways.', 'Yes John, it is clear that many &quot;churches&quot; are sliding completely into worldliness and this is, no doubt, due to a forsaking of the foundation of the Word of God. After all, if man\'s opinion is allowed to reign, then anything will go. &quot;If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?&quot; (Psalm 11:3). One thing the righteous can do is to hold to the pure King James Bible and believe it. Our light will then shine bright in a dark world: &quot;That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world&quot; (Philippians 2:15).

You might like to listen to the sermon &quot;The use of the word \'sodomite\' in the King James Bible&quot;: http://www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm
I prefer to use the Bible word &quot;sodomite&quot; rather than &quot;homosexual&quot;.

It is important that we see that the Church that holds to God\'s pure Word will be strong. This is the future for the true Church, namely that there is a restitution to the things of holiness, so that Christ\'s return is for a spotless Church, washed by the water of the Word of God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('855', '202263cc1b', '', 'SwordSearcher by Brandon Staggs
Windows Software for Believing Bible Study

The PCE is called &quot;KJV&quot; (the default version) and it is in 5.3.1.3 (the latest version/upgrade).

If you have 5.2.1, you can download freely a module for 5.2.1, which is called &quot;KJVP&quot;. You can get it here: 
http://www.swordsearcher.com/files/ss-kjv-pce.zip
Information:
http://forums.swordsearcher.com/showthread.php?t=668');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('856', '6cbfc53479', 'Amen', 'Matthew, Praise the LORD.  I have used SwordSearcher extensively since back in its 4.x days, and have also tried out others (some quite expensive).  There is nothing on the market that matches it for the amount of useful information.  The movement of the PCE to the default is the icing on the cake!  I have appreciated Brandon\'s position on the text for a long time.  I am grateful that he has recognized the place that the PCE deserves.  I believe that this is a wonderful step toward the acknowledgment of the supremacy of the PCE.

May God\'s Grace be upon you, your church and ministry and the ministries of those like Brandon who are leading in the fight for The Faith once delivered to the saints!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('857', '221eac927a', 'Pastor Craig...Thank you for your post', 'Pastor Craig, thank you for kind reply to my rant. I apologize if it seemed out of character for Christian. However, as I sit here, homebound and unable to serve a Church, and with my own Home Church not even bothering to call or write. Much less my Conference. I am not the only one. It seems that if you are no longer able to provide for them,it seems that you are tossed aside.

I know this from a fact. However, I am really not angry about that. As I have had time to get out of the &quot;Loop of connections with the Conference and the General Church. I have been amazed how much worldliness and corruption exits in our &quot; Church world &amp; Life&quot;. I always thought of myself as a part of the reformers hoping to bring the Church back to it basics in Christ and to the basics that John Wesley taught. I was humbled and ashamed about I had failed the Lord and the Church. I do not point fingers here as repentance starts with me first.

I realized how the training I was partaking of was to be successful and get more people to come to Church and all of that: The Rick Warren ideas,
the Willow Creek Way, and the list goes on and on. I had received newsletters from my Conference and General Church in which the words:
Jesus Christ were never mentioned at all. How can we let this go by without somebody saying something about His Lordship and will!

As I read your message, Pastor Craig about the word Sodomite, I recall being on a Board where a fellow Pastor used the term in debating about the Gay lifestyle and he was kicked off the board because of a complaint by a Lesbian Pastor/ He countered with the Scripture that termed it as such but it did not matter. Their New Revised Standard Version did not term it as such and out the door he went. I left soon after. To liberal for me.

Thank you Pastor Craig, I really don\'t have an axe to grind as we say here in Southern States of the USA. I don\'t want to give the impression I am right and they are all wrong. That is not how I wish these posts to be read.
There movements afoot to combine all of the major Liturgical  denominations into one large body.

God bless all on this board!
In Christ\' Love
John');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('858', 'e2a2aa927f', 'Thank you Brother Matthew...', 'Well, I have done it again. I have overlooked an answer to my question in Brother Matthew\'s first post about the software. I am sorry. I wish I could blame this on old age or some kind of illness. It reminds of something sent me concerning the bumbling attempts to do ministry. The caption said:

[b:e2a2aa927f]Even God can\'t cure stupidity[/b:e2a2aa927f]

Now, I am sure that statement can be called theologically sound. However, not even Jesus changed the blind and non-caring Elders, Priests,High Priests,
who often Him more anyone else hindered His work. I should say that they tried to but Jesus finished the work that the Father had sent Him to do.

Anyway, Brother Matthew, thank you for your kindness. I cannot blame anyone or anything...[b:e2a2aa927f]It was me that made the mistake!! MY fault![/b:e2a2aa927f]

Thank you &amp; God bless everyone here!
John[/b]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('859', '44bb68d73a', '', 'It is a good step forward to have the PCE in quality Bible software. Let us pray, believe and help in getting the Bible printed in quality printings as well.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('860', '99a2ed6114', 'The Church', 'John, we understand your frustration. We have all had to deal with those who have strayed far from God, yet excuse their sin. &quot;The backslider in heart shall be filled with his own ways: and a good man shall be satisfied from himself.&quot; (Proverbs 14:14).

God\'s blessing is upon those who stay in His Word and persist to the end. Praise the Lord for the victory that only He can provide. If we are planted in God\'s House, His Church, then we will flourish. &quot;The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree: he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon. Those that be planted in the house of the LORD shall flourish in the courts of our God.&quot; (Psalm 92:12,13).

&quot;For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.&quot; (1 John 5:4).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('861', '66b5cb6963', 'God Is Preparing The Church or A Body for Himself', 'Pastor Craig, I do understand a little better about all of this that is taking place. I wanted to mention that the&quot;Religious Church World&quot; as we know it is becoming more of &quot;Laodicean&quot; in it\'s nature. At the same time, God is preparing a &quot;People,A Body of Believers&quot; who will be a &quot;People&quot; or Body of Believers through whom the Holy Spirit will move and The Gifts of the Holy Spirit will operate and move through.

It is an irony to me that while the [u:66b5cb6963]Church World[/u:66b5cb6963] is so caught up with all of it agenda of smooth answers and everybody be nice except to the True Believers in [b:66b5cb6963]The Lord Jesus Christ[/b:66b5cb6963] who will be viewed as old fashioned and outdated and extremist. I think [ and I could be wrong ] that this World Body will only become more furious when the Holy Spirit begins to manifest through the Body of Christ!!

Now, I do not know what they could look like and I not sure how the Pastors, Teachers,Bishops,Elders,Prophets,Evangelist,and Apostles will be ordained and sent out to their posts. That I don\'t have a clue about.

Pastor Craig, perhaps you could enlighten me on this process as you understand it or Matthew perhaps. I think that &quot; Perfect Body of Believers will be more pentecostal&quot; in it\'s worship and ministry because it\'s seems to me the First Century Church will feel more at home in a Pentecostal Church than in a service with printed bulletins and sermons that are read along with prayers that read as well. Nothing wrong with that. But it\'s hard to see Peter and Paul feeling OK with that.

I have said enough and perhaps more than enough,but I thank you for your interest in helping me understand these issues!

God bless you all!
In Christ,
John Pace');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('862', '32ca69d46e', 'Regarding the Revival taking Place in the USA', 'Pastor Craig and Brother Matthew,[and anyone else ] I would like to get a Pentecostal point of view on what has been happening in Lakeland, Florida,and across the USA. The Evangelist who has been preaching and teaching in these revivals is Rev. Todd Bentley.

There have all kinds of healings and things taking place. I read an article that said he [ Brother Bentley] read an email on TV from someone whose family member was raised from the dead while lying in a casket. Now, to be fair,Brother Bentley said it had not been confirmed and his staff was trying to verify it.

I have read a couple of articles written by Lee Grady of [b:32ca69d46e]Charisma[/b:32ca69d46e] who has written about the unusual form of ministry that Bro. Bentley  uses in his ministry. I have read that he thrown people to the ground and has punched,a few [ I have known a few Church members I wanted to punch too! -:) ]and there other means employed.

Now, I know there are deceptive things out in the world and we must stay in the [b:32ca69d46e]Word of God[/b:32ca69d46e] and have a [b:32ca69d46e]discerning of Spirits [/b:32ca69d46e]about us. I know that and coming from a Methodist back ground it is somewhat different than the services I am use to. That is Ok and I can deal with that. I am basing my information from &quot;The Elijah List&quot; and from The Church of God  Newsletter that is sent to me by email.

I know the Church World as I know it are aghast at such things going on in a service. I understand that and I do not want to criticize Brother Bentley\'s ministry style. After all, as David said,&quot;touch not my anointed and do not harm my prophets&quot;, so I do not mean that at all. I am asking if we are seeing the beginning of the world-wide end time revival that had been foretold in the Scriptures.

I ask this only because I want to know and I am willing to learn and to understand what God is doing in these last days. Forget formality, I just want to do what the Lord wants me to do.

If this is not worth discussing [ and I do not mean debating-as I don\'t] then please forgive me. I don\'t have connections with any other pentecostal folks except for you folks.

If you any material on this subject I am willing to read and study. I just want the truth of God\'s Word in my life and that the Lord Jesus will be my Lord and Savior!!

Thank you and God bless you all!
In Jesus,
John Pace');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('863', 'bec2a46d90', '', 'The Traditional Pentecostal beliefs differ quite substantially to most present so-called &quot;Pentecostals&quot; and &quot;Charismatics&quot;, in that it is clear that most of these people have a feelings-based religion rather than a knowledge-based religion.

There are many places and so-called &quot;revivals&quot; which, while calling themselves &quot;Pentecostal&quot;, promote a different ideology. For example, they may make unbiblical statements like, &quot;do not be religious, leave aside the old things and tradition, come into the Spirit&quot;. But very likely a person who is saying that is not talking about the Spirit of God.

“Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.” (2 Thess. 2:15).

Traditional Pentecostalism promotes obedience, holiness and Christian Perfectionism, most especially, that by Christ it is possible to do God’s will.

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We are all aware that Matthew 24 clearly points out the rise of deceivers and false prophets; many who use the name of &quot;Christ&quot;.

My general knowledge of &quot;big&quot; so-called Pentecostals is that some are fake, and many are deceived.

The positive side of Pentecostalism is extressed here:
http://www.bibleprotector.com/The_Baptism_of_the_Holy_Ghost.pdf
http://www.bibleprotector.com/VFC_DOCTRINAL_STATEMENT.pdf

The negative side here:
http://www.bibleprotector.com/Pancosmic.pdf

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Following are some of the phenomenon and beliefs associated with false revival:

MODERN VERSIONS
All movements of the Holy Ghost for the last four hundred years have been based on the King James Version. A wealth of literature is available showing how compromised and evil other modern versions really are. Therefore a revival based on them and the associated liberal textual criticism would only be Satanic.

UNCONTROLLABLE EMOTIONS
Revivals are times of both repentance and joy, a false revival would centre around an artificial emotional repentance and feelings of bliss. Satan is able to program people especially when in a place of emotional drunkenness.

LEADERSHIP ACCEPTED
The startling lack of persecution against the leaders shows that the worldly church is listening to them with acceptability.

RETROGRADE REVELATION
Rather than stepping over into greater power, the &quot;new thing&quot; is a watered down version of post-World War 2 revivals, correlating to the same moves in Romanism with their post-Vatican II acceptance of the watered down revivals.

FALSE APOSTLES
The Bible indicates that the apostolic calling is one that would last for the whole church age. The false revival movement is producing their own apostles, which Paul warned about.

INCORRECT CRITERIA FOR REVIVAL
Instead of relying on the Word and on the Spirit, the &quot;new thing people&quot; have come up with lists of criteria to implement. Just because there are “new” things does not mean revival at all. In fact, the world is always looking for a new thing, “(For all the Athenians and strangers [pagan philosophers] which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.)” Acts 17:21.

WARPED JUDGEMENT
Seekers are generally taught not to be judgmental about what their leaders tell them, but are taught to judge, and therefore reject, what godly people outside of their construct are saying.

AGAINST FAITH CONFESSION
They do not practice Bible based confession, and some warn against such things as being “human”.

UNBIBLICAL PROPHECY
The leaders practice far too much personal prophecy, especially that which resembles the daily horoscopes. Moreover, their teaching of Bible Prophecy is full of conjecture and “feel good” interpretation. They say that their prophecies may or may not be true, as though they are prone to making mistakes in the name of “This is what I believe the Lord is saying...”

LACK OF SCRIPTURE
One of the greatest criticisms of the false revival movement is its lack of scriptural use. Their books are often filled with stories and dot points, with relatively few scriptures. The scriptures used are predominantly from modern versions. Preaching tends to “springboard” from a single scripture, which is then explained in an “amplified interpretation” giving the scripture a new and originally unintended meaning. 

INTERCESSORY REPENTANCE
God does not expect for Christians to repent for the world’s sin. It is imposable to do so, yet false relgionists repent for their nation’s sins and their ancestors’ sins. The Bible makes it clear that a person must believe themselves in order to be saved.

GENERATIONAL/EARLY LIFE CURSES
The &quot;new thing&quot; gets into psychiatry when they begin to delve into their history. They hunt out problems and then play with them, as though being delivered from them. The fact is that there often was never a problem to start with, but that a problem, i.e. devil, was assigned to them giving them false memories etc. Through this method many Christian’s lives are destroyed, especially since the devils make good people appear evil and the evil appear good.

OVERBOARD IN ALLEGORY
Teachings focus on Old Testament events and happenings to a place of high conjecture. Everything from the High Priests robes to the dimensions of the tabernacle they say have meanings. Moreover they look for hidden dates and meanings in the Hebrew.

SPIRITUAL MAPPING
This comes from ignorance and error. Basically this method describes a Christians identification of devilish forces over a given area and then combats it. In outworking, the people involved with such practices act like children with shotguns, not knowing how to properly resist the devil, and just putting on a fleshly show.

FALSE DEMONOLOGY
According to the false revivalists, devils are purched upon cities and building etc., and must be fought comic-book style by words and great works (e.g. groanings, vigils, prayer marathons etc.)

COMMENDATION
If a person steps outside of the system set up by the system—that person is considered to be stepping outside the &quot;covering&quot;. Orthodoxy and soundness are defined by a person’s tolerance of other “Christians” rather than any doctrine. To hold to sure, single and &quot;intolerant&quot; doctrines is a great sin to them.

UNITY
The greatest of all problems amongst the Pancosmics is their joining together in unity with all kinds of different people who have different doctrines. Logically it would be impossible for a person who had one view of God to join with a person who had another view of God, and then to all join together. Either such people don’t have any doctrines and can consciencelessly join together with other such people, or else their is a willing rebellion in this coming togetherness.

MANIPULATION
The false revival ideology allows for women of the most manipulative kind to take control and promote witchcraft while pretending to come against it.

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The true latter day revival of the Church takes place with a schism from falsehood.

1. Christ spues out the lukewarm in Revelation 3, indicating a manifest judgment on many deceivers in the present Church.

2. Christ claimed to bring a sword, not peace, in Matthew 10:34.

3. Christians are commanded to come out and be seperate from sin and sinners.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('864', '8ddf860a61', 'Traditional Pentecostalism', 'John, we hold to the Traditional Pentecostal position, which emphasises holiness and submission to God in line with His pure Word. I have covered a lot of this in the following thread if you haven\'t already read it: http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24

The fact is that many of today\'s Pentecostals have strayed from their historic position, which included holding to the King James Bible as the Word of God. Thus, much modernism, worldliness and showmanship has entered into their ranks. (see Pancosmic booklet: http://www.bibleprotector.com/Pancosmic.pdf ).

The only way to know the difference between the true and the false (including whether purported miracles and revivals are true) is to see whether they match against the true Bible. &quot;To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.&quot; (Isaiah 8:20). Sadly, many don\'t match up and thus are in the following category: &quot;And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?&quot; (Luke 6:46). We thus ask as Jesus does, &quot;Are you doing what God says?&quot; and &quot;If you say you are, then by what authority (ie. what Bible) do you say this?&quot;

I firmly believe there is to be a great restitution of the Church, which will incorporate a King James Bible only and Traditional Pentecostal outlook. It is clear that a faith perspective and approach is needed to the urgent evangelism of the world. Hence, the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the associated power to witness (see Acts 1:8) and gifts of the Holy Ghost is necessary (not for salvation, of course, but for power to be effective witnesses). The Church must also believe that God wants His people to prosper on Earth. Those with godly ministries will be seen as matching with the Bible and will be exalting Christ in all through His Word.

I believe in structure and proper rulership in the Church (eg. see Hebrews 13:7,17,24) and this is manifested in the ministry gifts that Christ gives to the Church (see Ephesians 4:11-13).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('865', '36a6efc853', 'Reply to revival in the USA', 'Thank you Matthew for a detailed and thoughtful presentation on what is happening here and around the world. I can\'t find anything, Matthew,that I could disagree on your analysis and it seems to me that you must have thought through these things beforehand. I do apologize for not reading all the documents that Victory Centre had prepared

I have downloaded the documents that have been provided and I have made a copy of your response to my question and emailed it to myself so that I can study and reflect on your main points.

I feel like an idiot in someways because these are things that one should know studying the Scriptures and being led by the Holy Spirit. I have been a Pastor for nearly 30 years and I still see somethings that I need to address.

Matthew thank you for your reply. I mean you could have used words and phrases that would have made some ministries and minsters look bad or even corrupt. However, I appreciate that you did not attack but responded with a clear response not based on emotion but really a Biblically sound respond.

I hate to admit this my brother-in Christ, but there are few words that you used that I am not sure I have heard before -:). However, I am always open to learn of God\'s Word and may His will be done in our lives for His service and His glory!!

Thank you dear Brother in Christ! I feel better about somethings. I am concerned about some of the content that are on mainline Christian Channels and it is appears to favor some of the characteristics that you have mentioned.

I think I will ask another question or two in other posts. I hope you folks don\'t mind me doing this but it helps me to be able to respond some things that seem to be on the forefront of the church world today.

Have a good weekend and God bless you all!

Brother John');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('866', '751a97d3a5', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'The only way to know the difference between the true and the false (including whether purported miracles and revivals are true) is to see whether they match against the true Bible. &quot;To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.&quot; (Isaiah 8:20). Sadly, many don\'t match up and thus are in the following category: &quot;And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?&quot; (Luke 6:46). We thus ask as Jesus does, &quot;Are you doing what God says?&quot; and &quot;If you say you are, then by what authority (ie. what Bible) do you say this?&quot;

One would think that those calling themselves Pentecostals would be especially interested in understanding the implications of Luke 6:46 because the Scripture describes the false type of Pentecostals clearly in Matthew 7:21-23.

&quot;Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.&quot; (Matthew 7:21-23).

Hence, prophesying, casting out devils, and doing wonderful works do not prove holiness. Jesus will ask: &quot;And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?&quot; (Luke 6:46). The Traditional Pentecostal will be very wary not to vary from both the purity of God\'s Word and the obedience of what is in the Word of God. How utterly important it is, therefore, to have an absolutely pure Bible! [b:751a97d3a5]If this one realisation ever dawned on the Pancosmics, there would be a mass exodus away from any trust in modern versions and a complete return to the old ways of holiness.[/b:751a97d3a5] True Christians must know for sure the things that Jesus says. The King James Bible is of utmost importance for the future of true Christian witness in the Earth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('867', '7ed36fdf6e', 'Studying the King James Bible', 'Regular study is crucial. The Bible should be read each day, in faith, because this is how it takes root in the heart. It should be committed to memory.

God honours those who apply themselves to regular study of the Bible. To help in understanding, you can seek the help of wise fellow Christians who can share knowledge and answer questions related to Bible topics. This forum is a good place to seek extra information and to find defence of Bible doctrine. When we trust the Lord and seek His help, He leads us in our learning and provides the answers. 

&quot;Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.&quot; (Matthew 7:7, 8)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('868', '13dba544df', 'Typology', '[quote:13dba544df]OVERBOARD IN ALLEGORY 
Teachings focus on Old Testament events and happenings to a place of high conjecture. Everything from the High Priests robes to the dimensions of the tabernacle they say have meanings. Moreover they look for hidden dates and meanings in the Hebrew.[/quote:13dba544df]
Just to elaborate, this is not to say that there is no proper Biblical typology or symbolism encompassed in the High Priest or the tabernacle. The tabernacle is rich in symbolism. There are some, of course, who go completely overboard and this trait of exaggeration is evident in many Pancosmics.

For example, Dr Ian Paisley\'s book &quot;The Garments of Christ&quot; is a very good work illustrating the symbolism and typology of the High Priest\'s robes.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('869', '6d65cc4476', 'Typology', 'Pastor Craig, I think what Matthew seemed to be saying is that the hidden codes that is in the Hebrew text is a dangerous thing to be doing, as though it can foretell certain events taking place such as the assignation of the Israeli Prime Minister and other events that do not have any biblical prophecy attached to them.

This was a trend that was very popular a few years back. I place not stock in it as almost witchcraft in a sense.

However, as you point out there symbols and images that portray Christ and His work and mission to the world. I think the Schofield Bible brings out some of these points in the Old Testament and in the New testament in the Book of Hebrews.

I appreciate the post and that you for your interest as well.

John Pace');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('870', 'cd03e6f3ec', '', 'The real problem is where people go to extra-Biblical materials from the Jewish Rabbis and teach strange things based on that, or go to hidden &quot;codes&quot;, etc.

The Bible is full of proper typology, such as was brought out by John Bunyan and others, showing how that each part of the tabernacle, or various aspects of the Old Testament relate to Christ.

It is a dangerous thing to attempt to forecast the coming of Christ based on working with various numbers from the Old Testament to construct extra-biblical doctrine/prophecy.');
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LIMITING TOLERATION

Toleration may be a source of peace between conflicting ideologies within a nation, such as the relative peace that might be observed between Protestants and Roman Catholics (and the Roman Catholics have not failed to win over many to their side). The Scripture itself says, “If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.” (Romans 12:18).

However, there are people in religious circles, who can speak well, but are really out to destroy, “The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords.” (Psalm 55:21).

The reality is that just because people talk about toleration, and just because they seem to be non-aggressive, does not mean that Christians should be unaware. Moreover, as nations are lulled into “tolerationism”, they are going to find it harder to resist an enemy or an ideology that does not play by the same rules, “And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many ...” (Daniel 8:25).

People who want to take a “fundamentalist” position on their religion seem to find that there is a lot set up in the world against them. Certainly, Satan is against Christianity, and would rather have weak, lukewarm Christians than those who are “extreme”. On the other side, God has certainly allowed Romanish and other false religions to have their violence against others curtailed.

But Bible prophecy does not indicate that the world is heading toward “peace”, “toleration” or “unity”. Quite the opposite. While the West may embrace these ideas, the reality is that it only breeds a new kind of intolerance of the Gospel, and worse, weakens nations for their overthrow by the rising power prophesied of in Daniel chapter 8.

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Studying the King James Bible
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Prophecies about the King James Bible, preached by Matthew Verschuur on the 29th of July, 2008 at Victory Faith Centre. This sermon begins to show how the Scripture itself prophesies of the King James Bible and related matters.
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('872', '5e6158582c', 'Hearing God', 'God is patient, and will give people more than one opportunity to hear Him. God has repeated things in His Word. Repeatedly the Bible says &quot;hearken&quot;. 

&quot;And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I [i:5e6158582c]am[/i:5e6158582c] the LORD that healeth thee.&quot; (Exodus 15:26)

Hearken to His Word, His commandments and instruction. When God repeats things, He really wants you to listen to what He is saying. But He will only repeat things so many times, because ultimately it\'s up to the individual to hear and respond. Sadly many people don\'t listen and are caught in a loop in their lives, continually making bad choices because they refuse to submit to God. When the Holy Ghost leads, people should follow. His brings to our remembrance His Word, which guides us; you may sense a \'check\' in your spirit about something, God uses this to lead us. As mentioned previously, faith-filled prayer and time spent in the Word will develop your sensitivity to God\'s voice.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('873', '5480bc1d31', 'The Word Must First Be Published..', 'To have the PCE in a Franklin Electronic Bible style would be great as well.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('874', 'c6f124518a', 'The speed of light', 'Since it takes a long time for light to travel vast distances, how is it that creation took place around 4004 B.C., rather than the beginning of the present universe billions of years ago?

There are two parts to the answer.

A. SCIENCE AND LOGIC

It is assumed that the speed of light is constant, that is, what we see today must be applied to the past. However, according to certain views, the speed of light or its path can be affected by gravity, and by refrangible objects, etc. Moreover, the theory of the decay of the speed of light, e.g. the c-decay theory by Barry Setterfield is very plausible: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-decay 

B. THE SCRIPTURE

There are numerous verses supporting instant or near-instant light speed, and that after the fall of Adam, the speed of light must have decreased, and is presently “settled” at the rate currently observed. Also, in the future, the speed of light is to increase.

a. In Genesis 1:3, God sees light throughout the universe, reaching half the Earth (a sphere of water).

b. The speed of light before the fall of Adam must have been (almost) instant, because Jesus said, “And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” (Luke 10:18). Jesus observed from Heaven Satan going to Earth in same period of time as it takes lightning to travel between the earth and the clouds.

c. The speed of light must be restored in the future: “And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.” (Revelation 21:2).

While some argue for relativity in time to explain such matters, especially by appealing to the unbelieving and wrong Einstein view of special relativity, they are clearly diverging away from the Scripture.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('875', '2ab8a050be', 'The Prosperous Church', 'Jesus said, &quot;The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor&quot; (see Luke 4:18). This gospel was not saying that the poor should stay poor but that they be lifted from their poverty. The gospel has not changed and is just as applicable today.

God wants His people to have an increase mentality, not a remain-poor, poverty mentality. &quot;The rich man\'s wealth is his strong city: the destruction of the poor is their poverty.&quot; (Proverbs 10:15).

God\'s people must believe God for deliverance from poverty because poverty does not bring blessing for the poor. &quot;The ransom of a man\'s life are his riches: but the poor heareth not rebuke.&quot; (Proverbs 13:8). It is a terrible state to be in if you &quot;heareth not rebuke&quot; - such a poverty mentality will not allow God\'s correction and thus growth. &quot;Wealth maketh many friends; but the poor is separated from his neighbour.&quot; (Proverbs 19:4). How can being separated from your neighbour be any good if you need to witness to your neighbour - hence, stay not poor but cry out to the Lord and deal with your poverty mentality!

This is the godly way to come out of poverty: &quot;This poor man cried, and the LORD heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles.&quot; (Psalm 34:6).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('876', '670f3ac89d', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '&quot;Thou hast shewed thy people hard things: thou hast made us to drink the wine of astonishment. Thou hast given a banner to them that fear thee, that it may be displayed because of the truth. Selah.&quot; (Psalm 60:3,4).

The people of God today have been shown hard things, one of which is that many have forsaken godly foundations and have turned to devilish constructions. &quot;The fear of the LORD [i:670f3ac89d]is [/i:670f3ac89d]to hate evil&quot; (Proverbs 8:13a). The banner given to those who fear God is the banner of no compromise, staying with God\'s foundation, testifying of His pure Word. Note that this banner is displayed &quot;because of the truth&quot;. God is jealous for His truth and is against those who have forsaken His truth. Traditional Pentecostals tenaciously stick with God\'s truth, which means no compromise with His Word: &quot;Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.&quot; (John 17:17). God is clear to His people today: [b:670f3ac89d]Hold up the banner of no compromise![/b:670f3ac89d]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('877', 'b89c91796a', 'Hearing God', '&quot;The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [i:b89c91796a]it[/i:b89c91796a] more abundantly.&quot; (John 10:10)

The devil\'s aim is to steal, kill and destroy. This includes stealing people\'s time which should be given to communication with God and destroying any desire to advance in the Christian walk. God wants us to hearken so that we don\'t get distracted and stray off the right path of following His Word.

&quot;The backslider in heart shall be filled with his own ways: and a good man [i:b89c91796a]shall be satisfied[/i:b89c91796a] from himself.&quot; (Proverbs 14:14).

This is a sign God has given us to judge whether we are listening properly to Him: are we filled with our own ways, or is our first priority to please God and do His will?

Notice that a good man is satisfied from himself. When a person submits to God, their heart follows the way of truth. They\'ll be hearing correctly, speaking correctly (in agreement with the Bible) and acting correctly (in obedience to God).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('878', '8b18f02416', 'The KJB is best: an answer to those who claim otherwise', 'Why the KJB is the best Bible today: An answer to those who claim otherwise.

“Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read” (Isaiah 34:16a).

It must be affirmed with the general view at the time of the Reformation, that the Scripture given is the Word of God, and that the Scripture has gone forth in many copies, and was made into many translations. The Scripture is final authority. However, nowhere in the Bible do we find a prohibition upon having the Scripture in one final, standard, supersuccessionary form. Neither is it mandatory that various translations should be upheld, and there is absolutely nothing to uphold that multiple versions or translations should persist all being concurrently correct, or generally correct. We find that since the Word of God is exclusive, true and single, so likewise should the manifestation of it in time so exhibit the same nature. That is, that while the Scripture does not explicitly state what the final, standard, supersuccessionary Bible is, it should be clear to those who have a heart to seek God’s truth. It is the King James Bible. Thus, to abandon the allusions, inferences and prophecies of Scripture is to enter a false basis of reasoning.

There is no single Greek text in existence which is the basis to the King James Bible. Therefore, anyone comparing the English Bible to the Greek will always find fault, because there is no perfect, final, standard Greek text. When the King James Bible was made, it was done in relation to a collection of Greek manuscripts and many other sources. The Greek texts, which had been collated by Protestant-sympathetic scholar, Erasmus, were printed, corrected, and further printed, including further work by other men, who consulted many sources, including the Latin, to formulate their relatively accurate (though slightly differing) printed works. (Those wishing to attack these works either concoct history to make them appear poor, or else jump at any historical tit-bit which they can extract and twist to improve their story of how bad the Reformation scholarship was: and surely Roman Catholic sources would indeed oblige such an inquiry!)

The King James Bible itself went through seven notable forms, that is, six important revisions. The revisions were never altering the text or translation, only aspects of the presentation, such as correcting typographical errors, standardising the spelling and introducing other regularisation. Altogether, this comes to a few thousand slight word changes. Since the King James Bible was not inspired, but rather, accurately created and translated, and further purified in regards things like the print work and spelling, the result is a purified book.

Sometimes, some words used in the King James Bible may be rare or hard. However, no word has lost its meaning, and no meaning has changed. The point is that Christians must STUDY the Scripture, and SUFFER the Holy Ghost to give insight (which He is well able to do). Since we are reading God’s Word in English, we do not have to defer upon the Greek or Hebrew, or think that God failed to get His Word accurate into English.

Not only are there no errors of translation in the King James Bible, but those who accuse of errors are easily proved to be wrong. For example, Matthew 23:24 says “strain at a gnat”, which is the exact terminology used around the year 1600, and has a very express and particular meaning which is entirely vindicatable.

When the King James Bible was first made, it was generally received. This trend has continued throughout the years, making it the most popular version of all time. Its timeless English, which was comprehensible, yet “old” to those of 1611, is just as much for today, in like manner. There is simplicity to God’s truth, and yet complexity. It is the same Scripture today as when it was first written, and therefore we do not impose false standards onto the past, and then claim that the King James Bible does not match them.

It is a stumblingblock to those who attempt to resist God’s providence that one English Bible should be final, standard and supersuccessionary for all the world. Those who reject the King James Bible only in favour of modern versions are viewing everything as tainted, as though error is present and all-powerful. But God, who gave His Word perfectly, has also caused His Word to be gathered out of history. Some Bibles had flaws or impurities does not mean that God was not able to, in time, present the Bible exactly. Since He has chosen English to do it to reach the world, we must conform to His way, and promulgate the truth and extend missionary endevour to this end, that all the Church in all the world may unite in and on one truth.

Sadly, many good and true Christians have been sorely deceived into abandoning their heritage. It is apparent that Anglicans, Calvinists, Evangelicals or Pentecostals are all beset by this same error, rejecting the King James Bible only, and running after other words.

It is apparent that God has only one Word, and that all the differences between the King James Bible and modern versions makes one or other correct. Either the King James Bible is right to have words and verses in, or the modern versions right to doubt or remove them. No one should be deceived to think that doctrine is not affected by having different words. Changing one or a few words changes a concept, how much more do modern versions undermine, weaken and alter the true faith by their myriad differences! In time, it would be difficult for a person to be a true Christian and yet stay away from the King James Bible.

This overview, in answer to those who argue otherwise, should show why the King James Bible is better than modern versions, and why it is self-consistent view. To use the King James Bible only is a Scripturally consistent view: there are many passages which can be cited to show how it is the only proper way to live for God on Earth today.');
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WHEN WAR COMES, DO NOT BE AFRAID

It is a well known passage which says, “And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.” (Matthew 24:6).

There are always wars. We should expect them, especially since the Bible shows that there wars which are to occur which have not yet happened. In Ezekiel 38 and 39, the Lord shows how the Northern Confederacy is to come into Israel. This Northern Confederacy is led by Russia. Russia’s present battles are but training for its future grand conquests. (Peter the Great instructed his people to engage continually in warfare so that they might be ready for their future expansion.)

Even if they take half the world, Jesus said, “But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.” (Luke 21:9).

Christians should not be afraid. We are commanded not to fear. Even if evil men have weapons which can do horrible damage, we are to trust in God, and see His deliverance. &quot;With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.&quot; (Ps. 91:16).

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The King James Bible is the best Bible for today
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The King James Bible and Traditional Pentecostalism by Pastor Craig Savige
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Sadly, there\'s a viewpoint that \'going to the Greek\' or various modern versions to do some study will bring out extra revelation and meanings, however the opposite is the case. It\'s dangerous to do this because the modern versions condradict the King James Bible and this can lead to confusion about what God has actually said. It is not God\'s aim to confuse the Body of Christ, so the King James Bible must be valued and used exclusively. God has graciously put His Word in one book, and it contains everything we need to walk in His perfect will.

&quot;For God is not [i:c91ca9f681]the author [/i:c91ca9f681]of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:33).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('881', 'f6de8ea8a5', 'Would I stop translating modern versions into Russian?', 'If I could stop the translating of the (English) modern versions into Russian, would I do it?

Answer: Yes, but evidently I could not at the moment, because the Scripture opens up several interesting points concerning this very matter.

First, &quot;And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.&quot; (Amos 8:12). That the modern versions, which are grossly different to the King James Bible, should be &quot;in the north&quot;, and in Russian, should be indication that such people by this manner are not being given the Word of the LORD. &quot;Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD&quot; (Amos 8:11).

Second, &quot;The black horses which are therein go forth into the north country; and the white go forth after them; and the grisled go forth toward the south country.&quot; (Zechariah 6:6). That a famine of hearing of the Word of God as indicated by the black horses, and second, that antichrist operations (the white horses) should go forth &quot;into the north&quot;, links directly with the modern version sowing into Russia. (The red horses went first, which links to the 1917 Russian Revolution.) &quot;Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.&quot; (Zech. 6:8).

Third, &quot;And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.&quot; (Daniel 8:23). The progression of these events must be for the coming to full of transgression in this respect (a historicist antichrist figure, a Russian dictator).

Thus, I see that the modern versions going into Russian is part of Bible prophecy.

The answer is to have the KJB go forth to the world. &quot;So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.&quot; (Isaiah 59:19). The KJB is the answer to the enemy.

1 John 5:7 &amp; 8 according to antichrist:

7 &#1048;&#1090;&#1072;&#1082;, &#1077;&#1089;&#1090;&#1100; &#1090;&#1088;&#1080; &#1089;&#1074;&#1080;&#1076;&#1077;&#1090;&#1077;&#1083;&#1103;: 8 &#1044;&#1091;&#1093;, &#1074;&#1086;&#1076;&#1072; &#1080; &#1082;&#1088;&#1086;&#1074;&#1100;, – &#1080; &#1074;&#1089;&#1077; &#1086;&#1085;&#1080; &#1089;&#1074;&#1080;&#1076;&#1077;&#1090;&#1077;&#1083;&#1100;&#1089;&#1090;&#1074;&#1091;&#1102;&#1090; &#1086;&#1073; &#1086;&#1076;&#1085;&#1086;&#1084;.

1 John 5:7 &amp; 8 according to Christ:

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.');
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The seeking out of acceptable words is not a neverending search. There must be present on the Earth today the words of truth that have come directly from God and are ready for the preacher to preach. Obviously, those who align with a Protestant heritage will not want to preach words that come from the Catholic font, nor will they want to deviate fromwhat has been acceptable according to godly tradition. This godly tradition is one of certainty that resides in the reception of the King James Bible. The Traditional pentecostals followed along this Protestant line.

Today, the modernists cannot find &quot;words of truth&quot; because they are of the following category: &quot;Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.&quot; (2 Timothy 3:7). The ever learning scholarship of the modernists is useless in seeking out the acceptable word of God.');
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('884', 'eb6b3385cf', 'AKJV', 'Has anyone here ever heard of the American King James Bible?
I was alerted to it from another site that is not KJV friendly.
From what I saw on the page, I looked up Joshua 19:2 and it read &quot;and Sheba&quot;
So I showed them that this person used the wrong foundation if he wanted it to be pure.
Here is the link of this AKJV Bible.
http://www.angelfire.com/al4/allenkc/akjv/
Of course, on the site that alerted me, they badger the Bible believer, but facts are facts.
I have not done an extensive look at this work yet.
Only a couple of verses and it failed both times.

Ps. Is the Bible on the page really a new rendition? or must one go to one of these sites that are stipulated on the same page?

Underneath the three sites listed to download is the KJV.
When I clicked on a few, at the top it stated &quot;The American KJV&quot;
So which is which?
I clicked on all three sites but don\'t know how to get this Bible.
I am so computer illiterate.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('885', '8a8a987c6c', '', 'While this modernised edition seems to retain the textual basis of the KJB, it certainly makes a lot of error in destroying the so-called &quot;archaic&quot; language. To change &quot;bewray&quot; into &quot;denude&quot; is almost laughable. Thee, thy, thine, ye and so on all have been changed too.

They don\'t realise that changing a word changes doctrine. Changing conceptual accuracy does affect doctrine. Even if they leave the word order, but change a word, they have changed God\'s truth, and introduced some error.

Imagine saying, &quot;Our Father which are in heaven&quot;, nor &quot;art&quot;, or &quot;For your is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.&quot;

This is just plain foolishness. The words &quot;King James&quot; should not be associated with it.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('886', '67b8b5f0f9', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '&quot;If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?&quot; (Psalm 11:3). With respect to the foundations of true Pentecostalism, much has been destroyed today with modern versions believed and a pursuit of modernist ideas.

The following are my notes from a sermon I preached at Victory Faith Centre about Traditional Pentecostalism.
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Traditional Pentecostalism is an extension of what the early Church was, the modern manifestation starting around the early 1900s. The outpouring of the Spirit of God relates it to being the true form of Christianity of the last days.

Acts 2:1-4,17-20 &quot;in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh&quot;

Smith Wigglesworth, the great Pentecostal pioneer, forewarned that God would call His people out of a compromised Pentecostalism: &quot;I can see even in this Pentecostal work, except we see there is a real death, God will say to us, \'Come out.\' Unless Pentecost wakes up to shake herself free from all worldly things ... we will hear the voice of God, \'Come out\' and He will have something far better than this. I ask every one of you, will you hear the voice of God and come out?” (Liardon, Roberts, 1996, Smith Wigglesworth: The Complete Collection of His Life Teachings, Albury Publishing, Tulsa, USA, page 268.)

The Traditional Pentecostal Church preaches the power of God for today by the gifts of the Holy Ghost through the Word of God.

Mark 16:15-20 &quot;confirming the word with signs following&quot;

Gal. 3:5 &quot;worketh miracles among you&quot;

Heb. 2:3,4 &quot;God also bearing them witness&quot;

1 Cor. 12:1,31;14:1-4	 &quot;desire spiritual gifts&quot;

The Traditional Pentecostal Church retains holiness and the fear of the Lord.

2 Cor. 7:1 &quot;perfecting holiness in the fear of God&quot;

The Traditional Pentecostal Church retains zeal for God and is in the Laodocean time of Church history.

Rev. 3:19 &quot;be zealous therefore&quot;

The Traditional Pentecostal Church stands in contrast to the false Pentecostals (the pancosmics) and other Romanist sympathisers.

Rev. 3:16,17 &quot;I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing&quot;

Matt. 7:21-23 &quot;Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?&quot;

As a part of the work which God is doing, true believers must establish and lay down the difference between true Pentecostalism and the present day Pancosmics. This is important, because even though Pancosmics may use similar words to true believers, their words have taken on entirely different meanings. The only way to properly expose and demolish their false system is to bring the Word against it.

With respect to knowing the Antichrist religion, Smith Wigglesworth said, &quot;What will make you to know it is the Man of Sin? This: Every religious sect and creed there is in the world all joins to it. Romanism you see joined up with it. Buddhism joined with it. There is not a religion known but what is joined up to it. Why that is exactly what the devil will have. He will have all the false religions joining right up and the Man of Sin, when he comes, will be received with great applause.&quot; (Liardon, Roberts, 1998, Smith Wigglesworth Speaks to Students of the Bible, Albury Publishing, Tulsa, USA, page 259.)

The Traditional Pentecostal Church preaches the pure Word of God, and is comprised of servants of God who are obedient to God.

Mark 16:15,16 &quot;Go ye into all the world, and preach&quot;

Gal. 1:10 &quot;if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ&quot;

Col. 4:12 &quot;one of you, a servant of Christ&quot;');
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It is a dangerous thing to attempt to forecast the coming of Christ based on working with various numbers from the Old Testament to construct extra-biblical doctrine/prophecy.[/quote:65a5ae6036]
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This is completely in agreement with Scripture.
[&quot;No man knoweth when...&quot;] scenario.
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('888', '253fd91945', 'The gift of prophecy', 'The sign of a true prophet is that, in accordance with God\'s Word, they will speak forth His will. Hence, there are also false prophets around who are led by lying spirits.

True prophecy never manipulates God\'s Word. An example is shown in Numbers Chapter 24. Balak, of Moab, wanted the prophet Balaam to curse Israel, but Balaam spoke the true words of blessing toward Israel that God had put in his mouth, even though it angered Balak, who desperately wanted a prophecy that agreed with his animosity toward Israel.

&quot;And Balak’s anger was kindled against Balaam, and he smote his hands together: and Balak said unto Balaam, I called thee to curse mine enemies, and, behold, thou hast altogether blessed [i:253fd91945]them[/i:253fd91945] these three times.&quot; (Numbers 24:10).

Thankfully Balaam was faithful to God in his prophetic utterance:
&quot;And Balaam said unto Balak, Spake I not also to thy messengers which thou sentest unto me, saying, If Balak would give me his house full of silver and gold, I cannot go beyond the commandment of the LORD, to do [i:253fd91945]either[/i:253fd91945] good or bad of mine own mind; [i:253fd91945]but[/i:253fd91945] what the LORD saith, that will I speak?&quot; (Numbers 24:12, 13).

This is how it should be when prophecy is uttered.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('889', 'b8c3202809', 'Jots and tittles: capital and lowercase letters', 'Daniel 9:25 has Prince = Christ
Daniel 9:26 has prince = antichrist

Since every jot and tittle in the Scripture is accurate, and since
we have Scripture which is accurate to the jot and tittle, I am able
to rely upon the difference between a capital &quot;P&quot; and a lowercase &quot;p&quot;
to understand the meaning of Scripture.

The Bible interprets itself: the Prince is called Messiah, Messias
(the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew word) is called Christ in
John 1:41, 4:25.

The prince who comes, in Daniel 9:26, comes to destroy the city
(bricks and morter Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (the Church).
Clearly, the operation of the spirit of antichrist by the Roman
Empire is being spoken of. This interpretation accords with the view
of the consensus of the true general priesthood of believers and
their godly tradition.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('890', 'e5061dd0a1', 'On capitals and lower case letters', 'The pure King James Bible\'s use of capitals and lowercase on words is
particular, and entirely accurate.

It a false assumption to think that when God (i.e. Deity) is named,
that it requires a capital letter. For example, the King James Bible
does not capitalise pronouns, like &quot;he&quot;, nor does it always
capitalise &quot;spirit&quot;, even when referring to God, or something from
God, as many verses reveal, &quot;And the LORD said, My spirit shall not
always strive with man&quot; (Genesis 6:3a).

However, the use of a capital letter on a title does link to God,
such as &quot;Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting
Father, The Prince of Peace.&quot; (Isaiah 9:6b). Or again, &quot;Sun of
righteousness&quot; (Mal. 4:2).

But titles may be capital, nothing to do with God, &quot;Pharaoh&quot;,
or, &quot;Wicked&quot;, as in, &quot;And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom
the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall
destroy with the brightness of his coming&quot; (2 Thess. 2:8).

The Bible speaks of &quot;Satan&quot;, and yet, &quot;the devil&quot;, but when his title
is used as a name, &quot;called the Devil&quot; (see Revelation 12:9), then the
naming of his name is the reason why it is captialised. (The use of
all capitals is to present something which is in written form, such
as the superscription on the cross, or the writing on the whore of
Babylon\'s head.)

In all this, we are observing the Biblical use of grammar and
language, not to be misapprehended as according to modern rules or
limited to simplistic ones, such as &quot;capital = God, lowercase does
not&quot;, etc.

We find that the Scripture does indicate to us that &quot;Prince&quot; means
Christ, as in Daniel 9:25, whereby we may draw that Daniel 8:25 must
also refer to Christ. When we come to Revelation 1:5, I venture that
the words &quot;faithful witness&quot; are not capitalised because it is
descriptive, just as &quot;prince&quot; is descriptive, meaning &quot;first&quot;: &quot;And
from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first
begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto
him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood&quot;.

Since every word in the pure King James Bible is rightly used in each
place, and each word has its own meaning or function, then the use
of &quot;thy&quot; and &quot;thine&quot; in the following sentence is completely
correct, &quot;Then the priest shall reckon unto him the worth of thy
estimation, even unto the year of the jubile: and he shall give thine
estimation in that day, as a holy thing unto the LORD.&quot; (Lev. 27:23).
Inasmuch as &quot;thy&quot; and &quot;thine&quot; are different, so also is &quot;prince&quot;
and &quot;Prince&quot;. Clearly, Christ is rightly and accurately both &quot;Prince&quot;
and &quot;prince&quot; in their places, and to claim that either it doesn\'t
matter or to find fault with the King James Bible (as some do) for
what they accuse as (i.e. seeming) inconsistency, does and shall not
under scrutiny, hold any substance.

When Christ said that no jot or tittle should be lost from the law,
he did not mean merely in Hebrew, but that we should find when
seeking (i.e. today) that the Word of God is accurate to the very
detail of the letter. The fact is that there was not really seeking
to this manner or level of things until recent years, and when God
put it into men\'s hearts to seek, it was because He had provided the
Word presented accurately to the very punctuation mark.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('891', 'bafe17ae60', 'Have the pure text to start with', 'By beginning with the foundation that the King James Bible is
absolutely right to the lettering, and that its correctness is
particular (after all, a typographical error in a King James Bible is
an error at that place), it is needful to acknowledge a standard form
of the King James Bible as representative. Rather than to argue that
both the 1611 edition, and say, 1769 edition are both correct at the
same time at any place (where they appear to differ), but to say that
their underlying text and translation is always correct, and does not
differ, however, correctness comes down to even the presentation,
spelling and punctuation marks. It is logical for a Bible believer to
recognise that there has been a decided effort throughout the history
of the King James Bible to bring its English presentational text to a
final position, and that this should be seen as the fixed and pure
form, taken as standard and representative.

If the notion of one pure edition and fixed standard presentation is
not embraced, then it becomes difficult to rely upon the very details
of the King James Bible. There then would be no finite correctness to
the jots and tittles. Moreover, phenomena of the presentation becomes
increasingly difficult to explain, because would then be
unsettled/uncertain. However, if we take the capital letters on words
now, and begin to study the issue, we find that some kind of rules
(i.e. the Holy Ghost\'s use of English) does cover it, and it is
neither irrelevant nor (as the modernists accuse) haphazard.

It is not as if one comes to the Bible and employs his own will onto
the interpretation. The difference between &quot;spirit&quot; and &quot;Spirit&quot; is
not merely the product of the whims of 400 years of printers and
editors. To say that would be like saying, God gave the Word (in
1611), but then left it alone, or to accuse that God does not care
about the intricate details.

&quot;He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment:
a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.&quot; (Deut.
32:4).

&quot;As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is
a buckler to all those that trust in him.&quot; (Psalm 18:30).

Has God neglected the printing of the Bible? Has God neglected the
letters of words? Are we really at a loss as to the perfection of the
Word, and to the meaning of what is given?

Inasmuch differences in lowercase and capitals are jot and tittle
differences, so may we be certain that the very lettering, and the
particular meaning associated with them, is exactly as God has
properly and perfectly supplied.

Just because we find complexity rather that simplicity in our Bible
(for example, it takes much more to explain why God would
use &quot;spirit&quot; lowercase concerning himself on occasions, etc.), it is
up to us to firstly believe and receive, and secondly to study.

Such a case has only been built for one edition of the King James
Bible, and it should be taken on the merits of the evidence.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('892', 'cc6ba59a45', 'Every jot and every tittle', 'Once we have the right foundation (an accurate printing of the KJB of the received edition), then we observe the usage of capitals and lowercase letters as having a bearing upon interpretation. In other words, we must discover the reason why the word is so presented. Why is Christ called a &quot;Prince&quot; in one place, and a &quot;prince&quot; in another? It is because there must be a different usage and/or meaning for the word, each relevant and rightly used in his own place and order.

For example, God is called a &quot;saviour&quot; and &quot;Saviour&quot;. There are three basic choices we have:
a. it is just the product of the caprice of the printers, etc. (modernist)
b. it is irrelevant (some KJBOs)
c. it is entirely accurate (some KJBOs)

To be honest, those who say that it is irrelevant may well advance somewhat toward the idea that it is merely haphazard, and this would deny that God has had any deep care for the English Bible since 1611.

Now, God is called &quot;saviour&quot; lowercase in: 2 Sam. 22:3, Psalm 106:21, Isaiah 19:20; 43:11, etc., but is called &quot;Saviour&quot; capital in Isaiah 43:3, 60:16, etc. Yet, even Christ is called &quot;saviour&quot; lower case in Ephesians 5:23. What is the distinction in Ephesians? In that verse, it describes His function, His role, not His title.

Another example: When is a house not a house? When it is an house. The King James Bible might use “a house” and then, “an house”. Esau is called “a hairy” man in Gen. 27:11, but “an hairy” in Genesis 25:25. Are we to think this is random? That it does not matter? What is at stake is the very rhythm of the Scripture in English. (God’s works are perfect, including the very fitness of it for the oratory.)

Another example: A “vail” is a cloth (or something) that covers or hides. A “veil” is something which covers or hides, but has been penetrated, taken away or rendered ineffective. Both appear in the King James Bible.

Thus, in taking all manner of examples in regard to the jot and tittle, when we look at “Prince”, we do not see “prince”, neither when we look at “prince”, do we see “Prince”. Even if the same person is both “Prince” and “prince”, we do not confuse the words, confound the meanings, or treat the particular lettering as though it is in vain.

In regard to such cases, we find that the King James Bible is much more superior than Webster’s, or Johnson’s, or even the Oxford English Dictionary. Nothing can compare to study of the Scripture itself, comparing word with word, passage to passage, etc.

We cannot approach God’s Word (in English) as if it either has no full rules of language (as though the case of letters, or spellings are irrelevant), neither as if such rules are so complex they are beyond comprehension. It is all there for us to see, the marvellous signs of the divinity in the detail, that we are indeed observing, uttering and hearing the Holy Ghost’s use of the world’s number one language.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('893', '132b52345a', 'The Protector, 17 August 2008', '[img:132b52345a]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:132b52345a]

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GREAT SOUTH LAND OF WHICH SPIRIT?

Because the spirit of error lays at the root of Romanism, they are prone to historical revision. As Pentecostals abandon the truth they once held to, it is no surprise that they go to Romanism.

Pope Benedict XVI said, while in Sydney, that Australia was, “this ‘great south land of the Holy Spirit’”. Except, of course, the Pope was wrong. But the compromised Pentecostals probably lapped it up.

Australia was never “the Great South Land of the Holy Spirit”. A certain explorer, and fanatical Roman Catholic, named de Quiros, attempted to found a colony on one of the islands of the New Hebrides in the Pacific Ocean, calling it “La Australia del Espiritu Santo”. They believed that converting the south of the world, and other such notions, would be vital for the fulfilling of Bible prophecy (e.g. Obadiah). They also were trying to defeat the Protestant nations from doing the same thing.

Years later, the Australian Cardinal Moran tried to prove that de Quiros in 1606 was in fact on the coast of Australia, and that he had his longitude wrong.

Of course, these are purely Catholic notions, designed to lay claim to Britain’s divine providence, and to misguide the present by altering history.

Sadly, various Pentecostal teachers have agreed with the Catholic notions, and have built their own interpretations on Catholic teachings. They even have discovered an old Dutch map, which has imaginary lines joining Tasmania with the New Hebrides islands, as if that is “proof” that God has some special calling for Australia.

When the Pope made his statement, doubtlessly, various misguided Charismatics took it as an endorsement concerning their attempted designs for “revival”.

But then, the Scripture says, “And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.” (Luke 21:8).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('895', 'cdd7bd923c', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.&quot; (Psalm 23:5)

As shown in this verse, God has provided a lavish banquet table of blessings here on Earth now for the Body of Christ. God doesn\'t want us barely scraping by on a daily basis, because He is the God of abundant blessings. He\'s not a negligent Father. Our cup runneth over. Therefore, we can take what God has graciously given us and be a channel of blessing for others.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('896', '3d98000910', 'Selling the PCE', 'Atlas, Are you yet selling more PCE Bibles?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('897', '8426bf8ca6', 'What is Biblical preaching?', '&quot;And Hilkiah answered and said to Shaphan the scribe, I have found the book of the law in the house of the LORD. And Hilkiah delivered the book to Shaphan.&quot; (2 Chronicles 34:15).

God\'s book - the Bible - will be found in the house of the Lord - &quot;the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.&quot; (1 Timothy 3:15b). Many people are seeking the Word of God and the ways of God outside of the Bible and outside of the Church. But it is the Church, which Christ has established for the purpose of operating in this world. It is the Church where godly preaching is to be found and where godly preaching comes forth. It is the Church where the Bible is to be upheld. Other ministries, such as street ministries or hospitality ministries, must come out of the Church if they are to take the message of the Gospel into the world - they cannot be separate from the Body of Christ and think to operate properly.

Christ is building His Church (see Matthew 16:18). The godly preacher understands the importance that Christ places on this. &quot;And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.&quot; (Mark 16:15). This going into all the world is not done in isolation from the Church because the Church is the pillar and ground of the truth and has been established by Christ.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('898', '4755a35c67', '', 'It is good to know that people are looking at posts made here. Today, a certain anti-King James Bible free thinking fool made mention of this thread on another forum. I believe good people will be convinced of the truth of the matter: namely, that we &quot;should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.&quot; (Jude verse 3b).

That means seriously considering the King James Bible issue, despite the compromisers and soul hunters who claim that the &quot;real&quot; Bible fight/issue is on the grounds of the underlying texts (a realm overtaken by the interpretations of Mystery Religion), or other such slanders and smears against people who did well (such as Erasmus, King James the First, Archbishop Bancroft, the translators, Oliver Cromwell and the Puritans, etc., etc.)

It is much better to hold fast to a Bible which is able to be investigated and found true, then to hold that no Bible is perfect, and to attempt to &quot;update&quot; it anyway...');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('899', '4f145ddfc0', 'Page 267/268', 'Hi Matthew.
 I have just started to read the third edition here.
I noticed that at the bottom of page 267 you mention about the salvation of the nations and that of the Jews.
[quote:4f145ddfc0]Rather, not only is it explicitly mentioned that the uttermost part of the earth or the ends of the world must be converted according to Scripture, but also that the latter days conversion of the Jews
must start before the tribulation.[/quote:4f145ddfc0]
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I believe that many need to get this whole section taught all over again.
Can you elaborate a bit on this, for I have found that those that promote &quot;the Victorious Church&quot; feel like they are grating the ears of those in the Church.
This thread may not be the appropriate place to comment, however.
I have enjoyed learning and having biblical truths re-enforced, as I have been reading this third edition.
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Also page 265/[quote:4f145ddfc0]There have been certain scholars in portions the King James Bible only movement who have looked at the Hebrew and Greek, but only to vindicate the King James Bible.[/quote:4f145ddfc0]
Missing a word [of].
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('900', '0aff20cbd4', '', 'Thanks Peter.

The idea of the victorious Church and the idea of the conversion of Israel will be discussed in two parts as yet incomplete. There is a whole section dealing with the Church side of things, and a section dealing with nations.

The basic idea is that before the return of Christ for the Church, the current Laodicean compromise will have been dealt with, and that Christ would come for a Ephesians 5:27 Church.

In regards to the Jews, Christian nations are supposed to enter into great blessing, and fulfil Romans 10:19, 11:11 and 11:31.

There is problem with movements which deny the translation of the saints. They can be teaching that either the Old Testament law to some degree must be reinstated, or else that Christ is coming on Earth within the &quot;Church&quot;, which always seems to finally mean &quot;in Rome&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('901', '39b820b9e0', 'Thanks Matthew', 'Thank you Matthew.
I am looking forward to hearing more later, LORD willing, of course.
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Had trouble with another sentence on page 279 [quote:39b820b9e0]Word studies by those who defended the King James Bible have been fairly poor, and Webster has been the foundation of their twentieth works.[/quote:39b820b9e0]
Twentieth works? Century?

Now that the PCE has been literally exposed for what it has been all along, much more good will now happen, even though the onslaught will be fierce.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('902', '4cc903160c', '', 'Century.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('903', '6e44e0202e', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'The Biblical preacher works according to God\'s plan. &quot;For we are labourers together with God: [i:6e44e0202e]ye are [/i:6e44e0202e]God\'s husbandry, ye are God\'s building.&quot; (1 Corinthians 3:9). It is a great honour to work with God. God uses His people to build. He uses His people to do the works He desires. Our preaching has its source and direction in God. After all, He gives the Bible to preach, the power to preach, and the leading to preach.

&quot;&quot;Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [i:6e44e0202e]that [/i:6e44e0202e]the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?&quot; (1 Corinthians 3:16). The Spirit of God in us shows the way, leads us, empowers us. Never forget this. Those outside of God\'s plan do not know this. God wants preachers to &quot;present every man perfect in Christ Jesus&quot; (see Colossians 1:28). This is done through the enabling of the Spirit of God: &quot;Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.&quot; (Colossians 1:29).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('904', '31b38a6d7b', 'False Pentecostals', 'The following is the type of thing one can expect when emphasis is placed on form and entertainment, rather than on the pure Bible and holiness.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=618463');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('905', '0367e521e7', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'The false scholarship of man has destroyed the faith of many. The antichrist wields this ugly sword of the false word against the souls of men to get them away from purity of faith (see Revelation 6:4). The Papal antichrists undermined the Bible by substituting their Romanist manuscripts (eg. Sinaiaticus and Vaticanus) for the true and thus the filth of modern versions persist even to this day.

Such Romanist scholarship deserves an answer and it is the Traditional Pentecostal who should be equipped to give this answer. Smith Wigglesworth once said, &quot;Let us get away from going into libraries and filling our minds with human theology. Not that I want to discourage anybody, but it would pay the best man here, I don\'t care who he is, to go home and set fire to his library.&quot; (&quot;Ye are our epistle&quot;, August 23, 1922). It is clear that this warning has not been heeded. This is the warning against man\'s theology and false scholarship. By not heeding this warning, many Traditional Pentecostals of yesteryear forsook the King James Bible and accepted the idea of &quot;bibles&quot; that could never be perfect or exact.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('906', '33df6e2bf0', '', 'At least God has preserved me, a true Pentecostal, from ever hearing, seeing or believing this false prophet. I wonder how many other people calling themselves Pentecostals aged 13-30 in Geelong can make this claim.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('907', '24d16a5b0f', 'The Protector, 24 August 2008', '[img:24d16a5b0f]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:24d16a5b0f]

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SIN IN AUSTRALIAN SO-CALLED PENTECOSTALISM

The compromise of so-called Pentecostalism on many fundamental points of doctrine is not without consequence. The whole appeal to “get people under the ‘preaching of the gospel’ no matter what” is dangerous: if a man is entertaining, emotional, has the right pedigree, good political connections and a soul hunter, he has the perfect qualifications for being an exalted leader among the spiritually declining Australian so-called Pentecostals. It has virtually nothing to do with the Word of God.

To remove the clarity of the light of truth by transferring from the King James Bible to modern versions, is already a step toward the darkness. The power to deal with sin, the very concept of sin, is all dulled: “For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” (John 3:20, 21).

And just how much compromise, apostasy and other such games have been going on? One can suggest that a lot of sinning is going on. After all, by compromising the doctrines of sanctification and holiness, and preaching a sin-consciousness message, there is no power to deal with sin.

Christians face all kinds of temptations. Pride and fear are very common, all the way to the bizarre and extreme sins. Australian Pentecostalism must be a hothouse for pride, deception, mammon and lust-related sins.

There needs to be Reformed Pentecostalism, which requires people to come out of the present Babylon and into a greater movement of the Spirit. This true move of the Spirit is quite unlike what most (false) present Pentecostals babble on about: a true revival of religion is required.

“Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked” (Revelation 3:17).

Clearly, there must be a different kind of “repentance” than what might be spoken of in most so-called Pentecostal assemblies. There must be complete repentance from the false emotional, deceptive and manipulative &quot;repentance&quot;.

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The King James Bible and Traditional Pentecostalism by Pastor Craig Savige
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24[/url]

Every letter is important in God’s Word
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('908', '72a102d53d', 'Studying the King James Bible', 'God will grant wisdom to understand the Scriptures to those who seek it in honesty. The Bible is a book which is spiritually discerned, and it is God who opens the eyes of our understanding.

&quot;If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [i:72a102d53d]men [/i:72a102d53d]liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.&quot; (James 1:5).

God removes the spiritual seals He has placed on the Bible for those who genuinely want to understand it, and who desire to follow it, regardless of their education, or intelligence level etc. It is the Holy Ghost who quickens the Word to the heart of an individual, so what God is looking for is a sincere desire to hear the truth.

&quot;But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God [i:72a102d53d]is [/i:72a102d53d]a Spirit: and they that worship [i:72a102d53d]him [/i:72a102d53d]must worship him in spirit and in truth.&quot; (John 4:23, 24).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('909', '21a1ffd354', 'What the Bible says about the unborn child', 'God doesn\'t leave anything to chance, He has a set time for our life on Earth:

&quot;For thou [i:21a1ffd354]art [/i:21a1ffd354]my hope, O Lord GOD: [i:21a1ffd354]thou art [/i:21a1ffd354]my trust from my youth. By thee have I been holden up from the womb: thou art he that took me out of my mother’s bowels: my praise [i:21a1ffd354]shall be [/i:21a1ffd354]continually of thee.&quot; (Psalm 71:5, 6).

&quot;TO every [i:21a1ffd354]thing there is [/i:21a1ffd354]a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up [i:21a1ffd354]that which is [/i:21a1ffd354]planted;&quot; (Ecclesiastes 3:1, 2).

He also has a perfect will for what He wants each of us to do whilst we are on Earth. His will is that every person be saved.

&quot;The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.&quot; (2 Peter 3:9).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('910', '3f8004037e', 'The Prosperous Church', 'We should always see poverty as an enemy of the Church. This is clear in the following: &quot;The ransom of a man\'s life [i:3f8004037e]are [/i:3f8004037e]his riches: but the poor heareth not rebuke.&quot; (Proverbs 13:8). Since the poor &quot;heareth not rebuke&quot;, then the Church should actively fight against poverty because [b:3f8004037e]the Word of God must be heard[/b:3f8004037e] for there to be any change or growth.

The &quot;gospel to the poor&quot; (see Luke 4:18) is the initial word to the poor man. It is a word of blessing and salvation from poverty both spiritually and physically - this is good news indeed! The poor man must call upon the Lord and the prosperous Church should preach that God wants him to be delivered. &quot;This poor man cried, and the LORD heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles.&quot; (Psalm 34:6).

Both spiritual and physical poverty will keep people from hearing the rebuke that comes through the preaching of the Bible. &quot;All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness&quot; (2 Timothy 3:16). &quot;It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.&quot; (Ecclesiates 7:5). &quot;Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.&quot; (2 Timothy 4:2).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('911', '97e9cd55e9', '', 'Guys,

Sorry it has been so long. I have sold out of KJV\'s and am having a new batch made up now.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('912', '8ee7d8ae5f', 'Can I do this?', 'Matt,

I need two if I can give away two of your booklets. I know both have a copyright.

The two I want to pass on to friends are, THE AUTHORIZED
KING JAMES BIBLE CONNECTION &amp; ANSWERING OBJECTIONS TO THE
KING JAMES BIBLE.

I think both of the book are wonderful and want to pass them on. I will only do so if you give me the thumbs up.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('913', 'd21698175a', 'Anyone want to place KJV PCE for sale?', 'Guys,

I  going to make a new batch of KJV PCE Bibles and I\'d like to if any of you want to place them out and sell them in Christin books stores. I\'ll pass them to you at cost plus shipping and you can make a small profit. Then I can get even more printed for you. I can also hook you up with a good publisher and they can publish them for you, if you wish to it this way. So let me know is is anything any of you would like to do. We need to get the KJV PCE out public. This is the only way I know to do this. 

If you wish to sell the KJV PCE, I will ship them to you C.O.D. ( Cash On Delivery ) After we establish a good working relationship I\'ll gladly send them to you on credit and set you up an account for you. 

I have sold out of Bibles, it will take a little time to move these Bibles, but can be sold.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('914', 'ee34d4aae6', '', 'What is the cost?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('915', 'a007a4ed6b', '', 'I am wanting to print or buy Hardback Pew-style PCE Bibles.  I am trying to keep the cost under $10 to print and ideally around $7 to be competitive.  I want to be able to get them into the hands of Christian school students and for use in churches as pew Bibles.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('916', '51e31ba776', '', 'The PDF files are on the website for you to use: so that means that anyone in the world can FREELY access them, or print them off.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('917', 'a04cc45a1c', '', 'Well, its good that you sold out: that means that God\'s Word is going forth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('918', '3b81b2361c', '', 'Tim,

I have been doing a Family Bible. It moved ok, it took a little longer than I thought but they all sold out. I also was thinking about some Pew Bibles/ Personal Bibles later. We may can go in together and get a run of Pew Bibles/ Personal Bibles made. 

PM or email me and we will see what you want and what the cost will be wish to do Family Bibles. I will also check with my publisher and see what kind of he can give me for a good run of Pew Bibles.

buffalofinancialgroup@gmail.com

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('919', '687691d3f3', '', 'Matt, 

That was what I was thinking, but I wanted to make sure.  It never hurts to ask. Thanks brother.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('920', 'b14d5d6a57', '', 'Matthew,

Yes it is good I sold them all. It took a little longer than I thought it would. I made close to $5,000 profit, I took all of the profit and reinvested to print more KJV PCE\'s. They will be ready by Sept. 15th. I will have them all put out fast, now that I have contacts in the book stores. I think this set of Bibles will go much faster. Not having to find book stores will cut the sells process and the time it takes to move these KJV PCE Bibles.

Pray that I can get some others that will also sell/place KJV PCE\'s in bookstores and get even more of them out in the public. Without you guys I could have never started this work.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('921', '0d01d5a31a', 'Added to the KJV PCE', 'Here is what I have added to the end of the KJV PCE. They have beed added as study helps.

[b:0d01d5a31a]King James Bible: Word Definition[/b:0d01d5a31a]

This is 13 pages of definitions to words in the KJV.

Here is an example:

[b:0d01d5a31a]WORD                 DEFINITION[/b:0d01d5a31a]

Abase                 Make or bring low; to humble.
Abated                Reduced in intensity or amount.

I also added the King James Glossary

Here is an example below:

[b:0d01d5a31a]King James Glossary[/b:0d01d5a31a]

[b:0d01d5a31a]ABATED[/b:0d01d5a31a] - [Gen. 8: 3,8,11; Lev. 27: 18; Deut. 34: 7; Jude 8: 3] Reduced to a lower state; decreased; subsided; declined. 

[b:0d01d5a31a]AGATE[/b:0d01d5a31a] - [Ex.28: 19 and 39: 12; Eze.27: 16] A colorful and plentiful gemstone. It can be translucent, or have integral swirls and designs. Agates are still very popular gems and are found nearly everywhere in the world. 

[b:0d01d5a31a]AGUE[/b:0d01d5a31a] - [Lev.26.16] A bodily shaking or shivering similar to that occasioned by terror. In the verb form it is to cause a shivering or strike with a cold fit. 

[b:0d01d5a31a]AMERCE[/b:0d01d5a31a] - [Deut.22: 19] To punish by pecuniary penalty, the amount of which is not fixed by law, but left to the discretion of the court. 

[b:0d01d5a31a]AMETHYST[/b:0d01d5a31a] - [Ex.28: 19 and 39: 12; Rev.21: 20] A relatively deep blue gemstone. Used in jewelry and ornamentations. Very much still a favorite stone today. 

[b:0d01d5a31a]ANON[/b:0d01d5a31a] - [Mat.13: 20 ; Mk. l: 30] quickly; immediately; in a short time. Used by Christ in the Gospel of Matthew.

[b:0d01d5a31a]APPROXIMATE VALUES OF THE BIBLE WEIGHTS, MEASURES, MONEY[/b:0d01d5a31a]

Bath, about 9 gallons, unit of liquid measure
Bekah, ¼ of an ounce
Cab, 2 quarts
Cubit, about 18 inches
Daric, gold, $5; silver, 64 cents (same as shekel)
Day’s journey, about 20 miles
Denarius, 16 cents
Didrachma, 32 cents
Digit, ¾ of an inch
Drachma, 16 cents
Ephah, about 1 bushel, unit of dry measure
Farthing, ¼ cent, or 1 cent (two different Biblical words for “farthing”)
Fathom, 6 feet
Firkin, 9 gallons
Furlong, 1/8 of a mile
Gerah, 1/40 of an ounce
Half-shekel, 32 cents
Handbreadth, 3 inches
Hin, 6 quarts
Homer, 90 gallons liquid measure, 11 bushels dry measure
Kab, 2 quarts
Kor, 90 gallons, or 11 bushels
Lethech, about 5 ½ bushels
Log, 1 pint
Maneh, about 2 pounds
Mite, &#8539; of a cent
Omer, 7 pints
Pound, $16
Pound of silver, about $20, or $40 (two standards)
Pound of gold, about $300, or $600. Ratio of gold to silver, 15 to 1
Reed, about 11 feet
Sabbath Day’s Journey, about 1 mile
Seah, 1 ½ pecks
Shekel, ½ ounce, unit of weight
Shekel, 64 cents, unit of money
Span, about 9 inches
Stadium, about 1/7 mile
Talent, about $1,000
Talent of silver, about 100 pounds, or 50 pounds; $1,250, or $2,500
Talent of gold, about 120 pounds, or 60 pounds, $20,000, or $40,000
BIBLE FACTS: 

The system of chapters was introduced in A.D. 1238 by Cardinal Hugo de S. Caro, while the verse notations were added in 1551 by Robertus Stephanus, after the advent of printing. 

A Bible in the University of Gottingen is written on 2,470 palm leaves. 
According to statistics from Wycliffe International, the Society of Gideons, and the International Bible Society, the number of new Bibles that are sold, given away, or otherwise distributed in the United States is about 168,000 per day. 

The Bible can be read aloud in 70 hours. 

There are 8,674 different Hebrew words in the Bible, 5,624 different Greek words, and 12,143 different English words in the King James Version. 

A number of verses in the Bible (KJV) contain all but 1 letter of the alphabet: Ezra 7:21 contains all but the letter j; Joshua 7:24, 1st Kings 1:9, 1st Chronicles 12:40, 2nd Chronicles 36:10, Ezekiel 28:13, Daniel 4:37, and Haggai 1:1 contain all but q; 2 Kings 16:15 and 1st Chronicles 4:10 contain all but z; and Galatians 1:14 contains all but k. 

[b:0d01d5a31a]BIBLE STATISTICS: [/b:0d01d5a31a]

Number of books in the Bible: 66 
Chapters: 1,189 
Verses: 31,101 
Words: 783,137 
Letters: 3,566,480 
Number of promises given in the Bible: 1,260 
Commands: 6,468 
Predictions: over 8,000 
Fulfilled prophecy: 3,268 verses 
Unfulfilled prophecy: 3,140 
Number of questions: 3,294 
Longest name: Mahershalalhashbaz (Isaiah 8:1) 
Longest verse: Esther 8:9 (78 words) 
Shortest verse: John 11:35 (2 words: &quot;Jesus wept&quot;). 
Middle books: Micah and Nahum 
Middle verse: Psalm 118:8 
Middle chapter: Psalm 117 
Shortest chapter (by number of words): Psalm 117 (by number of words) 
Longest book: Psalms (150 chapters) 
Shortest book (by number of words): 3 John 
Longest chapter: Psalm 119 (176 verses) 
Number of times the word &quot;God&quot; appears: 3,358 
Number of times the word &quot;Lord&quot; appears: 7,736 
Number of different authors: 40 
Number of languages the Bible has been translated into: over 1,200 

[b:0d01d5a31a]OLD TESTAMENT STATISTICS: [/b:0d01d5a31a]

Number of books: 39 
Chapters: 929 
Verses: 23,114 
Words: 602,585 
Letters: 2,278,100 
Middle book: Proverbs 
Middle chapter: Job 20 
Middle verses: 2 Chronicles 20:17,18 
Smallest book: Obadiah 
Shortest verse: 1 Chronicles 1:25 
Longest verse: Esther 8:9 
Longest chapter: Psalms 119 
Largest book: Psalms 

[b:0d01d5a31a]NEW TESTAMENT STATISTICS: [/b:0d01d5a31a]

Number of books: 27 
Chapters: 260 
Verses: 7,957 
Words: 180,552 
Letters: 838,380 
Middle book: 2 Thessalonians 
Middle chapters: Romans 8, 9 
Middle verse: Acts 27:17 
Smallest book: 3 John 
Shortest verse: John 11:35 
Longest verse: Revelation 20:4 
Longest chapter: Luke 1 
Largest book: Luke

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1285', '381af97376', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'Young Earth creationists face the same problems as King James Bible only Christians. One problem is illustrated in the following recent statement: &quot;So, as you can see, we not only face opposition from the atheists and skeptics but from within the church. In fact, we take no delight in saying that this is often where our strongest opposition comes from. ... They are, effectively, in self-destruct mode and refuse to accept the reasons why.&quot; (Creation Ministries International May 2009 Update &quot;The enemy within&quot;).

The KJB only movement faces the opposition of false scholars concerning the derivation and nature of the Bible. Much of this is from within the churches. We can agree that this is a &quot;self-destruct mode&quot; when blindness as to the modern versions has become so pervasive. Even many who see some of the problems tend to minimise the importance of combating such modernism. What a tragic time we live in!

But repentance can reverse this whole area of compromise.

Zion is seen to be the people of God. God will have His victory manifested in the Church. &quot;Thou shalt arise, [i:381af97376]and [/i:381af97376]have mercy upon Zion: for the time to favour her, yea, the set time, is come. For thy servants take pleasure in her stones, and favour the dust thereof. So the heathen shall fear the name of the LORD, and all the kings of the earth thy glory. When the LORD shall build up Zion, he shall appear in his glory.&quot; (Psalm 102:13-16).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1286', '7816043f87', 'The Protector, 17 May 2009', '[img:7816043f87]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:7816043f87]

[color=red:7816043f87]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:7816043f87]

WELCOME! [i:7816043f87]The Protector[/i:7816043f87] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:7816043f87][color=darkblue:7816043f87]EDITORIAL[/color:7816043f87][/size:7816043f87]

&quot;The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.&quot; (Psalm 12:6, 7).

God has promised to preserve His Word, and it has been made available generally.

1. While the Canon was incomplete, it is impossible that every generation had all the Word.

2. While the Word was not in practice in all the world, though made to be so by faith, we cannot say that the Word was actually manifested universally for all of history.

3. While people had copies which were in part, or contained errors, they did not specifically have every word. However if copies were taken collectively, then every word was present and never lost.

4. The Word of God did not remain only in the original languages, but also went forth in other translations. Sufficiently enough was in other translations, even if they were not perfect.

5. In the Reformation there was enough witness about to draw from to be able to present the Word of God in successive refinements, that is, in the various Textus Receptus editions, which then, when taken collectively would themselves provide a sound basis to draw upon.

6. The succession of English translations ensured that there was a purifying so that the very words being gathered would match in English in one Bible what was originally inspired in the Autographs, which were never gathered into one book, though each Autograph was perfectly written.

7. The King James Bible represents every word in English (that is, in English words, for that sometimes more English words are required than the original may have at a place, or less, but the very same sense is given in English). Clearly, the press errors or fluid spelling of the 1611 editions (there were two print runs that year) do not thwart the reality that God’s Word was there present.

8. With the Pure Cambridge Edition as has been printed multiple times throughout the twentieth century, the presentation of the King James Bible was presented in its purified form, even though various Bibles might from time to time have a unique printing error, or a one off missing punctuation mark, which is usual in any printed book from the twentieth century.

9. With computers (comparing files), cross-checking to various printed copies, and public viewing, it has been possible to see and resolve what is exactly correctly the letters, words and punctuation of the Pure Cambridge Edition.

10. There is no need (for salvation, or for defining what is “Scripture”) to have a jot and tittle perfect Bible any time in the past 1700 years (Diocletian’s fires burnt many copies), but that it fits with the nature of God that we should desire to have a perfect form of Scripture, and that it is good to have a certainty in regards to the very READINGS, the very TRANSLATION and even gladness at the very PRESENTATION to be resolved and scrupulously correct.

Conclusion: the Word of God has been present in earth since the days of Moses, and complete since John was at Patmos. A Latin Bible in Ireland could be called “The Word of God”. The Word of God has gone forth to the ends of the Earth.

But although God has used many sufficient forms of Scripture, there is a case that one is the best, and that it should be upheld as the standard, “He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.” (Deut. 32:4).

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This is an interesting book on the King James Bible from 1911:
[url]http://www.archive.org/details/ourgrandoldbible00muir[url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
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Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1287', '7778896a4f', 'What is faith?', 'The Christian faith is based on the firm foundation of God\'s Word. It is not a blind faith, because God has given us clear direction and guidance through the Word. Our faith in God increases as we study His Word and get to know Him better. God is revealed in the Bible as trustworthy, faithful and compassionate. We can have faith in Him - He always wants the best for His children, and through our faith and obedience, we can receive it from Him. Acting in faith honours God.

&quot;Wherefore the LORD God of Israel saith, I said indeed [i:7778896a4f]that [/i:7778896a4f]thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the LORD saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.&quot; (1 Samuel 2:30)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1288', '32cea782b3', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;And Abraham was old, and well stricken in age: and the LORD had blessed Abraham in all things.&quot; (Genesis 24:1).

The term &quot;all things&quot; covers both the physical and spiritual, so it is no use trying to explain away this easily understood verse. Abraham was blessed both physically and spiritually in all things. This can and should be applied to the people of God today.

&quot;So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.&quot; (Galatians 3:9). The same blessing applies today for those who are of faith. Seeing that Christians are commanded to &quot;walk by faith&quot; (see 2 Corinthians 5:7), then God is also commanding His blessing in our lives. Christians can either reject this (and many foolishly do) or accept this as God\'s will for them. We should also realise that spiritual blessings manifest into physical blessings since all physical things come from the spirit realm. &quot;Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ&quot; (Ephesians 1:3).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('923', '6cf65cdc6c', '', 'Various Bibles do have things like this. They can be helpful, but are also subject to error, or (as in the case of money values) change.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('924', '4409d002b9', '', 'Guy Fawkes day can be celebrated when it is understood in the right light. If this (and many other things) are surrendered to the Romanish twisting of history, we would be giving up our heritage.

The true Christian religion, rather than the Catholic-influenced one, is the doctrine which must prevail in history. The world, nor things in it or of it are not going to get the better of the true Church before the return of Christ. Believing otherwise means that we are defeated.

Finally, in all our doings, we should seek to edify, because &quot;knowledge puffeth up&quot;, that is, knowledge without charity.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1284', 'a36e9f18ad', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;I will sing unto the LORD, because he hath dealt bountifully with me.&quot; (Psalm 13:6). The Lord deals bountifully with His people. he is not holding back. However, there are things that do hold back the blessing of God from people. One of those things is unbelief, another is false tradition that might say &quot;God does not want me blessed in this way.&quot;

We can take the Bible promises as showing us God\'s will and benefits for us. &quot;And Abraham was old, and well stricken in age: and the LORD had blessed Abraham in all things.&quot; (Genesis 24:1). And note: &quot;So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.&quot; (Galatians 3:9). God indeed wants His obedient people to be blessed.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('925', 'd521b62c12', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'Though he failed to go far enough to connect present day apostasy to modernism and use of modern versions, the Pentecostal teacher, Kenneth E. Hagin, did have roots in Traditional Pentecostalism and made the following correct statement: &quot;The Lord went on to say to me, \'Some of the old-time Pentecostals knew something about that deeper move of the Spirit. The modern Pentecostals - this new generation of Charismatics - know little or nothing about the move of My Spirit. Charismatics know a little about praising Me, but they know nothing at all about true worship.\' You see, when you talk about worship, there is a spirit of reverence that goes along with it.&quot; (Kenneth E. Hagin, &quot;Plans, Purposes &amp; Pursuits&quot;, 1988, pp. 109,110).

I am convinced that the Holy Ghost has spoken to many even today about the error of the present Pancosmics, yet there has been a resistance to heeding the warning. &quot;The highway of the upright is to depart from evil: he that keepeth his way preserveth his soul.&quot; (Proverbs 16:17). For there to be true reverence and awe of God and His Word, there must be repentance from the error of modernism, a forsaking of the words of modernism (as seen in modern versions), and a return to the traditional paths (the true Bible - the King James Bible). &quot;While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.&quot; (Hebrews 3:15).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('926', 'c3559c5e68', 'What is Biblical preaching?', '&quot;But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus\' sake.&quot; (2 Corinthians 4:3-5).

The Word of God is light in a dark world. This is why the gospel is called &quot;glorious&quot;. &quot;Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.&quot; (Psalm 119:105). If the Bible is not preached, then the darkness remains. This has always been the case. However, where the Bible is preached, light comes to a society and great blessing comes.

The Biblical preacher should not be preaching themselves but Christ. This means that Christ is to be exalted and His way shown. The blindness of the world cannot stop the preaching of the Word of God. In fact, spiritual eyes are opened and this should be prayed for. &quot;The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints&quot; (Ephesians 1:18). It is interesting historically that when the Romanists kept the Bible away from people, then the culture grew darker and more and more ungodly - such is a warning to us today.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('927', '8e07620efa', 'The Protector, 31 August 2008', '[img:8e07620efa]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:8e07620efa]

[color=red:8e07620efa]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:8e07620efa]

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WHAT HAPPENED TO THE “FAITH MOVEMENT”?

From the late 1940s to the early 1990s, a particular branch of Traditional Pentecostalism had developed into what was called the “Word of Faith Movement”. This Pentecostal teaching emphasised what Leo Harris (an Australian Pentecostal) called a more positive view. Key to this message was the idea that what the Bible said should be exactly believed and acted upon, and that words coupled with belief brings manifestation of things.

However, the doctrine of the movement has been in steady decline, even as it has diversified, and found more and more acceptance in “mainstream” Pentecostalism. The reasons for this are clear:

1. Whereas the King James Bible was almost always used, and statements against the King James Bible were rare, there was always an underlying deference to the “Hebrew” and the “Greek”, and on the opinion of “scholars”, e.g. Kenneth Hagin’s statement in [i:8e07620efa]The Woman Question[/i:8e07620efa], “I heard {Dr Nelson} say that he considered the A. S. Worrell translation to be the closest to the Greek of any translation available at the time.” Particularly since the death of Kenneth Hagin, this has opened up for widespread use of modern translations.

2. Whereas there was a clear body of distinct Word of Faith ministers, others who have imitated the movement, or have allied themselves to it, have been accepted, so that the movement has become widely mixed with Charismatics, and other neo-Pentecostals. A key event in this downturn was the linking up with Rodney Howard-Browne (and other such leaders) who emphasised experience and testimonies over Bible preaching and doctrine.

3. Whereas traditional Word of Faith teaching was static, a doctrine which did not see great movement in central ideas, due largely to faithfulness to the teachings of Kenneth Hagin, it is observable in the 1990s that there began to be controversies regarding doctrine being promoted by certain individuals. (Besides the general “controversies” which have always existed regarding faith doctrines). These included heretical statements, acceptance of false prophets, and an intermixing with a strange new end-time prophecy scenario where Christ would not come from Heaven to translate the saints, etc.

The Scripture says, “Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.” (1 Corinthians 4:2). If the people of God have failed to keep the Scripture, keep themselves and keep the purity of the faith, then destruction must come. “Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee” (Deuteronomy 28:45).

All the false prophets who quote, “For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.” (Jeremiah 29:11) must realise that this is a statement against the compromise with Babylon: though the Jews were to be in captivity there, nevertheless God had His Remnant. So likewise, God’s working is to call His people out of Babylon and to the work of His Kingdom in Restitution Pentecostalism, which is vastly different from the compromised “Pentecostalists” with their feeling-based religion.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('928', '2882acd0bd', 'Hearing God', 'It\'s wise not to ignore the voice of the Lord. Sometimes you can sense a \'check\' in your spirit about something (eg a word of warning in line with the Word of God), which is a way the Holy Ghost guides and corrects. The devil\'s aim is that these warnings are ignored, or rationalised away somehow. But unless the Holy Ghost is heeded and adjustments are made, people will keep coming back around to the same issues in their lives, and keep making the same mistakes. God never forces people to change their behaviour, but He does give signposts in people\'s lives. It\'s to our advantage to learn from these signposts and align our thinking and acting with God\'s Word.

&quot;The highway of the upright [i:2882acd0bd]is[/i:2882acd0bd] to depart from evil: he that keepeth his way preserveth his soul.&quot; (Proverbs 16:17)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('929', '7e74549bb2', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', '&quot;That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare [i:7e74549bb2]our [/i:7e74549bb2]sicknesses.&quot; (Matthew 8:17).

Healing is part of the work of salvation. In obedience to God, and in honour of His sacrifice, Christians should appropriate healing in their lives: spirit, soul and body. You can look at Matthew 8:17 for example and meditate on it, and each day thank the Lord for His wonderful gift of healing. If you meditate on, and consistently speak God\'s Word about health and healing, your faith will grow. You won\'t want to put up with sickness and disease in your body because, as a Christian, you are redeemed from them (Galatians 3:13).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('930', '85e82828fe', 'The antichrist sword: attack on the KJB', '“They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.” (John 16:2)

This is not just speaking of Jewish or Roman or Papal persecutions: this is speaking of what is happening in the Church today.

1. The Word of God is a sword.

“And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God” (Ephesians 6:17)

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” (Heb. 4:12).

Therefore, it is no wonder that the antichristian operation of the red horseman (Rev. 6:4) may be accounted to be a false sword, that is, false Scripture, false use of them, to kill believers.

2. The words are life.

Jesus said, “It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” (John 6:63).

Therefore, to NOT have the Word of God would be lack of life, i.e. death, and this would be if the Word was missing, altered and or doubted.

3. If the Word of God is being turned to error by people who sincerely believe that they are rendering God’s Word better, or bringing it up to date, all the while not having the full and certain knowledge of what actually are the very words of God, and how to translate them, then this very doctrine, and the product of it, must be against the true sword, and must be against true Christianity, and therefore must be designed ultimately by Satan as an attack to “kill” Christians/Christianity.

There seems a general link between doubting the Bible and the rejection of the KJB. One thing is that someone who loves the KJB only is very unlikely to be someone who doubts the truth of the Scripture.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('931', 'dc11840279', 'Lots of Extras', 'That was a lot of work to show this list, Atlas.
I have seen a few lists like this as well.
*******
The one that caught my attention was the ability to read the Bible in only 70 hours.
I have done that several times.
I have found that the Bible stays so fresh and brings much light to our darkened souls.
I would read about one hour per day before any other work was done.
*******
I should do that a few more times before this brief life is over.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('932', '59beb16f2e', 'Jessey, Bancroft, Miles Smith - 14 alterations stuff', '[color=darkblue:59beb16f2e]Hi Folks,

  I decided to try to look into the primary sources on this a bit. 
  My first two posts are at:[/color:59beb16f2e]
[color=brown:59beb16f2e]
[url]http://finalauthority48270.yuku.com/topic/7114[/url]
KJV translator reported alterations in translators\' text
[/color:59beb16f2e]
[color=darkblue:59beb16f2e]In addition you have a lot of good material below, and I would like to share my thoughts a bit.[/color:59beb16f2e]

[quote:59beb16f2e=\"bibleprotector\"]The accusation that Archbishop Bancroft, in making some last minute changes, basically introduced translation errors in the King James Bible

The story is that the Archbishop, Bancroft, made some last minute changes to the King James Bible, to ensure that &quot;Episcopal words&quot; were used... this event is supposed to have happened in 1610.

This is what the fairer judgment of Alister McGrath, 2001, &quot;In the Beginning&quot;, page 188 states, &quot;Smith complained loudly to anyone that might listen that Bancroft had introduced fourteen changes in the final text without any consultation. Yet we remain unclear as to what those alleged changes might have been.&quot; Take note of what certainty there is in this matter.[/quote:59beb16f2e]
[color=darkblue:59beb16f2e] I would say that this quote from Alister McGrath is suspect.  
So far I have not found any primary evidence for comments by Miles Smith. [/color:59beb16f2e]

(snip Anglican/Puritan prelacy discussion.)

[quote:59beb16f2e=\"bibleprotector\"]This accusation (that Bancroft altered the King James Bible) is at least third hand, and not unbiased. I mean, that it is recorded in histories like McClure, Norton, Bobrick or Nicolson, which is largely based on the testimony of Henry Jessey, which in turn is his recounting of Miles Smith\'s story. [/quote:59beb16f2e]
[color=darkblue:59beb16f2e]Amen.  However the situation is even worse and more removed than this, which is what I have attempted to begin to document above. So far it does not seem that there is any direct contact between Jessey and Miles Smith at all. Please correct me if you have contra-information. Also Jessey is recounted through Whiston, and seems to have shared information with Hill, as part of the campaign for Parliament support for a new translation.[/color:59beb16f2e]

[quote:59beb16f2e=\"bibleprotector\"]Each party uses the story for its own ends, and presents it according to its own bias. Norton and Nicolson have a clear agenda against the King James Bible, and will take every opportunity (whether by design or otherwise) to present it in as frail, haphazard, human and error-ridden as it seems. Whereas some are more positive, or more neutral-balanced. Therefore, the present anti-King James Bible poster whom you are debating is casting aspersions (introducing doubts) while relying on biased reconstructions of the information (e.g. Adam Nicolson is a real spin doctor, and sensationalism overweighs facts, according to him, one of the translators was a drunkard and a  pornographer, etc. etc.)[/quote:59beb16f2e]
[color=darkblue:59beb16f2e] Amen[/color:59beb16f2e]

(snip Henry Jessey problematic doctrinal stuff)

(snip editing history and Richard Brett concerns and Synod of Dort) 

(snip Bancroft discussion and conjecture of 14 changes)

[quote:59beb16f2e=\"bibleprotector\"]Jessey and others should be seen for what they were. Jessey did indeed work to &quot;produce a new translation of the Scriptures&quot; which means he essentially REJECTED the King James Bible![/quote:59beb16f2e]
 [color=darkblue:59beb16f2e]A critical point in viewing their veiled and strained accounts.[/color:59beb16f2e]

(snip Puritan, Geneva, Cromwell and 1653 Bill, Whitelocke Committe)

(snip bishop &amp; bishoprick)

[quote:59beb16f2e=\"bibleprotector\"]To claim that Archbishop Bancroft\'s 1610 changes in this regard were against &quot;the inspired translators&quot; is utterly foolish. Of course the translators were not inspired, and his input stands today. We readily welcome that various persons perfected the text and translation of the King James Bible from 1604-1611. [/quote:59beb16f2e]
[color=darkblue:59beb16f2e] I agree about the \'various persons\' however every claim of Bancroft\'s intervention (including bishoprick, which is in used in an earlier version) should be looked at with fresh eyes, in my opinion.  

Considering the apparent thunderous silence of the translators for decades and the   unreliability of the modern writers.  If the translator Miles Smith was not silent about supposed interventions, then exactly where are the documents  that shows his complaining ?  And do we have any pre-Brett complaint of any translator whatsoever ?  

Your thoughts and references appreciated. 

Shalom,
Steven[/color:59beb16f2e]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('933', 'b91751d292', '', 'What we are really saying is that when Rick Norris claims that Archbishop Bancroft made changes &quot;against&quot; the 1611 MS, what we are really showing is that it is largely a conjectural argument based upon mid-seventeenth century biased sources which are perpetuated in modernist times, rather than finding much basis in circa 1611 evidence.

We have praise and acceptance of the KJB from various informed persons, including notable Puritans, in the period of 1611 to the English Civil Wars.

Moreover, since we know that bishops were involved in the making of the 1611 Bible, there is no problem if the archbishop did make a few changes, unless, of course, you have an anti-KJBO agenda and someone wants to use it as propaganda against Baptists who might find bishops detestable.

I have only read the second hand reports as presented in Scrivener etc. regarding that the Archbishop made a few changes. I think that this did occur, but more information would be useful.

As to what changes Bancroft made, and to the accuracy of Jessey\'s claims: these things are not certain.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('934', '06ccc806c2', '', 'This is a good quote by Steven Avery against Rick Norris:

[quote:06ccc806c2]Norris was quoting error after blunder after faux pas after asininity using the probabalism concept honed by the Jesuits. [/quote:06ccc806c2]

Norris always asks questions in the form of doubt, which he backs up by reams of quotations, but when the actual basis of his questions are analysed... they do not hold up (smoke and mirrors).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('935', '7cb25f8111', '', '[color=darkblue:7cb25f8111]Hi Folks,

  Good discussion.  
  [/color:7cb25f8111]
[quote:7cb25f8111=\"bibleprotector\"]What we are really saying is that when Rick Norris claims that Archbishop Bancroft made changes &quot;against&quot; the 1611 MS, what we are really showing is that it is largely a conjectural argument based upon mid-seventeenth century biased sources which are perpetuated in modernist times, rather than finding much basis in circa 1611 evidence.[/quote:7cb25f8111] 
[color=darkblue:7cb25f8111]Exactly.  So far I have not seen any modern scholar simply ask - 
[/color:7cb25f8111][color=green:7cb25f8111]
\'what is the 1611-1645 translator situation\' 
\'exactly what transpired between 1645-1675\'. [/color:7cb25f8111]
[color=darkblue:7cb25f8111]
So far I have found nothing 1611-1645 although some writers indicate that Miles Smith complained.  Where ?  Are they simply supposing backwards from a source claimed by Jessey and Hills ?  Would top writers write in such an unscholarly fashion ?  Well, we saw with \'strain at a gnat\' that the answer is unequivocally \'yes\' - top writers will write absolute rubbish against the King James Bible.  Norris fudged the sparse 1645-1675 history with his modernist lemming quote festival, so that also is lacking.  There are some scholars who can be contacted for additional information (e.g. on Miles Smith). [/color:7cb25f8111]

[quote:7cb25f8111=\"bibleprotector\"]We have praise and acceptance of the KJB from various informed persons, including notable Puritans, in the period of 1611 to the English Civil Wars.[/quote:7cb25f8111]
[color=darkblue:7cb25f8111]This is good info.  If you have a few of the quotes collated, please share. [/color:7cb25f8111]

[quote:7cb25f8111=\"bibleprotector\"]Moreover, since we know that bishops were involved in the making of the 1611 Bible, there is no problem if the archbishop did make a few changes, unless, of course, you have an anti-KJBO agenda and someone wants to use it as propaganda against Baptists who might find bishops detestable.[/quote:7cb25f8111]
[color=darkblue:7cb25f8111]This is true.  There is no verse ever pointed out where a sensible believer would say today \'oh, no - this is such an ecclesiastical word\'.  
[/color:7cb25f8111]
[quote:7cb25f8111=\"bibleprotector\"]I have only read the second hand reports as presented in Scrivener etc. regarding that the Archbishop made a few changes.[/quote:7cb25f8111][color=darkblue:7cb25f8111]
Does Scrivener write on this in \'The Authorized Edition of the English Bible (1611)\' ?  So far I have not found a reference.  I would like to see what he brings to the table, especially in referencing primary sources.  And so far I haven\'t found that Norton even discusses this, at least not in \'Textual History\'.
[/color:7cb25f8111]
[quote:7cb25f8111=\"bibleprotector\"]I think that this did occur, but more information would be useful..[/quote:7cb25f8111]
[color=darkblue:7cb25f8111]Possibly, however I cannot conclude that from the Jessey-Hills history so far available, there would have to be something far more substantive.  [/color:7cb25f8111]

[quote:7cb25f8111=\"bibleprotector\"]IAs to what changes Bancroft made, and to the accuracy of Jessey\'s claims: these things are not certain.[/quote:7cb25f8111][color=darkblue:7cb25f8111]
Agreed.[/color:7cb25f8111]

[quote:7cb25f8111=\"bibleprotector\"]Norris always asks questions in the form of doubt, which he backs up by reams of quotations, but when the actual basis of his questions are analysed... they do not hold up (smoke and mirrors)..[/quote:7cb25f8111] [color=darkblue:7cb25f8111]
As I pointed out on this thread, using reams of secondary source quotations that indicate no original research or thinking (while being cagey about or even hiding the actual primary sources) is a very tawdry type of anti-scholarship.  Norris has gotten away with this on the web partly because of the dumbed-down level of the no-pure-Bible crowd, to whom he gears his presentations. 

As to the Jesuit-style techniques of trying to spread doubt and using accusation-by-proxy (remember the RCC similarly says that they had no responsibility for the inquisition persecutions, it was simply \'secular authorities\' .. note how Rick Norris similarly avoids taking any actual position himself on any issue) and probabalism and other elements, the strange style of Rick Norris really spurred me to begin to study these methods. Jesuit-style methods were mentioned a bit in the William Grady book \'Final Authority\' so I have used that as a starting point.  Interestingly Norman Geisler, one of the leading anti-KJB \'evangelicals\' received his PhD at Loyola, a Jesuit university.  

Shalom,
Steven[/color:7cb25f8111]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('936', '5d4dbb1239', '', 'One thing I was thinking, in light of the wonderful selection of contemporary quotes of &quot;strain at a gnat&quot; and similar, was that a lot of the past vindications of the KJB both in regard to the original text/translation issue and to the English usage issue could be collated and indexed, if old works were trawled and various citations drawn, especially in light of the development of KJBO thinking.

One specific area is to give citations/quotes of 1611 to 1660 materials that support the KJB overtly, as this is relevant to several issues:
a. the KJB v. Geneva issue, i.e. showing that people particularly chose to use the KJB, and/or how they accepted that it was good, etc.
b. typographical error issue (i.e. exposing that from the earliest times, what today are questioned by some as possibly errors of translation are in fact typographical errors, admitted, identified and corrected already long ago.)
c. vindication of wording, i.e. what is said today to be a typographical error or wrong, (e.g. strain at a gnat), was never historically so, but rather pre-1611 material (quotes or English Versions) has the same usage.
d. the accusation of translators making mistakes (Norton, etc.) or of Bishops meddling (Norris, etc.), and what kind of contemporary materials there are (especially circa 1611 to circa 1629) to that effect. (Has Norris made a series of posts based on anti-KJB accusations made by Hugh Broughton yet?)

Now to the comments.

[quote:5d4dbb1239]This is good info. If you have a few of the quotes collated, please share. [/quote:5d4dbb1239]

I refer to some common quotes (from secondary sources/interpretations), but there must be many more:

[color=green:5d4dbb1239]Samuel Ward at the Synod of Dort in 1618–1619, quoted by Scrivener (in Latin)

Goad and Mede by implication, as editors in 1638, shown by me (I have examined two 1638 Bibles, and read somewhat of Mede, though I have yet to come accross Mede\'s works as edited by Burgon.)

Oliver Cromwell, as stated by Thomas Carlyle, “The ‘Authorised Version’ of James I., from which Cromwell appears always to quote”.

Norton\'s 1993 book, &quot;A History of the Bible as Literature&quot; Vol. 1, page 216, quotes Jessey admitting that the King James Bible is “the best of any translation in the world”[/color:5d4dbb1239]

Lots more evidence must exist, especially once the primary sources of Puritans, etc., are read, by which we would find:
a. tendency to praise the KJB.
b. the early identification and proper correction of typographical errors.
c. the use of KJB in quotations, or of wording similar to it.
d. the lack of identification of translator mistakes, and the cases where accusations are answered, such as the story of Kilby meeting a Bible-correcting parson.

[quote:5d4dbb1239]I have only read the second hand reports as presented in Scrivener etc. regarding that the Archbishop made a few changes.[/quote:5d4dbb1239]

I thought Scrivener, but it was McGrath. (The secondary sources I refer to are ones such as, McGrath, Eadie and McClure.)

As for Norton, the two volume set from 1993 by Cambridge, &quot;A History of the Bible as Literature&quot; gives some overview to the view of the KJB through the years. I do not think that book deals with the &quot;archbishop\'s changes&quot; allegation. These volumes present some information on how the KJB was dealt with and viewed from 1611 to Edward Hills.

As a side note on “secondary sources” it appears that some King James Bible only writers based their view of the history of the KJB on particular tertiary sources such as the American Revision Committee’s report of 1851. With the advent of many secondary and even primary source material on the internet, a much better picture is now being formed, which furthers and advances a proper, sound and good King James Bible only view, which is more and more vindicated.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('937', '98eeab8533', '', 'It is important that none of us fall into using the Jesuit methods in how we deal with the facts, others, or adversaries.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('938', 'ed1f333cb9', '', '[color=darkblue:ed1f333cb9]Hi Folks,

Thanks.  
Good references and I agree on the points made.[/color:ed1f333cb9]

[quote:ed1f333cb9=\"bibleprotector\"] (The secondary sources I refer to are ones such as, McGrath, Eadie and McClure.)[/quote:ed1f333cb9]
 [color=darkblue:ed1f333cb9]Eadie is on the net through archive.org[/color:ed1f333cb9]
[color=brown:ed1f333cb9]
[url]http://www.archive.org/details/theenglishbiblea02eadiuoft[/url]
The English Bible : an external and critical history of the various English translations of Scripture, with remarks on the need of revising the English New Testament (1876)[/color:ed1f333cb9]

[color=darkblue:ed1f333cb9]I found his discussion reasonable. With Jessey referencing Hill talking about what is &quot;commonly reported&quot; Eadie writes &quot;we have no direct means of ascertaining whether the statement be true&quot; and refers to &quot;this story&quot; showing that Eadie is not overwhelmed with the specifics of the late reports. His whole section is a worthwhile read, e.g. you can look at the .txt version and scan for Jessey.

Alexander McClure &quot;Translator\'s Revived&quot; is a bit strange.  He seems to accept the later accounts, perhaps by Jessey, as being the actual spoken words of Miles Smith !  Also in Translators Revived (1858) he makes a point about bishopric in Acts 1:20 and one web article took pains to point out that this is the wording of Wycliffe, Tyndale and Cramer.  In fact it is also the Bishop\'s Bible reading (and Coverdale) making the McClure kvetch particularly strange, unless he had some direct testimony. And so far I have seen none. In fact he seems to offer no primary sourcing whatsoever on this topic. 

And Alister McGrath &quot;In the Beginning: The Story of the King James Bible and How It Changed a Nation, a Language, and a Culture&quot; (2002) is also strange with his:

&quot;Smith complained loudly to anyone that might listen that Bancroft had introduced fourteen changes&quot;

Yet no indication is given of the source of this newly-richly-embellished account.

Thus so far we seem to have \'scholarship\' on about the same level as the strain at a gnat, John Eadie being an exception.

Shalom,
Steven [/color:ed1f333cb9]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('939', 'b98d8f6f0e', 'Richard Baxter 1677', 'This quote below is a little later than the time table that has been discussed, but yet shows the attitude towards the Holy Bible one should have to be profitable in reading the Holy Scriptures..
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[quote:b98d8f6f0e]Volume 2 Chapter XX
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*.1. Seeing the diversity of Mens tempers and understandings is so exceeding great, that it is impossible that any thing should be pleasing and suitable to some, which shall not be disliked and quarrelled with by others and feeling in the Scriptures there are many things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest to their own destruction. 2 Pet.3.16. And the Word is to some the savor of death unto death, 2 Cor.2. 16 You have therefore need to be careful in Reading it. And as Christ saith, Luk. 8.18 Take heed how you hear; so I say, Take heed how you read.

*.2. Direct. 1. 
[i:b98d8f6f0e]Bring not an evil heart of unbelief. Open the Bible with holy reverence in the Book of God, indited by the Holy Ghost. Remember that the Doctrine of the New Testament was revealed by the Son of God, who was purposefuly sent from Heaven to be the Light of the World, and to make known to Men the Will of God, and the Matters of their Salvation. [/i:b98d8f6f0e]
Bethink you well, if God should but send a Book or Letter to you by an Angel, how reverently you would receive it? How carefully you would peruse it, and regard it above all Books in the World? And how much rather should you do so, by that Book which is indited by the Holy Ghost, and recordeth the Doctrine of Christ himself, whose authority is greater than all the Angels? Read it not therefore as a common Book, with a common and unreverent heart; but in the dread and love of God the Author.[/quote:b98d8f6f0e]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('940', '87a2cd80bc', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'The Bible tells us that Christians should &quot;stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel&quot; (Philippians 1:27b). This can be done effectively when the one Bible is used to unify believers. The one Bible has the one gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ who is God our Saviour. Traditional Pentecostals stand for this.

Modern versions take away from &quot;the faith of the gospel&quot; by:
(1) Undermining unity in the Church. How can all have one spirit and one mind when there are competing &quot;bibles&quot;?
(2) Undermining the deity of Christ in many ways through the changing of words. See [url=http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/deity_of_christ_and_modern_versions.htm]Deity of Christ and modern versions[/url]
(3) Turning people away from the idea that there is one true and perfect Bible - the King James Bible.

With a proper view of the Bible, we can stand: &quot;in nothing terrified by your adversaries&quot; (see Philippians 1:28).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('941', '10c3b45b79', 'Italics at 2 Samuel 18:29', '2 Samuel 18:29 has &quot;Is the young&quot;, the word &quot;Is&quot; should be in italics. This is the rendering of the many printings of the PCE from Cambridge and Collins. Thus, the Pure Cambridge Edition has the italic &quot;Is&quot;, but the Concord Edition does not.

There are a few reasons why &quot;Is&quot; should be in italic typeface.
1. The rendering is agreed upon in printings which present an edition which can be shown to be correct and pure at every other place.
2. The same wording in verse 32 has italics.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('942', 'e82fec3ee9', 'Is a standardised spelling really a version difference?', 'There is a certain man who claims that there are different &quot;versions&quot; of the King James Bible. An example of his evidence? That the word &quot;subtil&quot; is spelt differently in different editions:

2 Samuel 13:3

1611 Edition
But Amnon had a friend, whose name was Ionadab, the sonne of Shimeah, Dauids brother: and Ionadab was a very subtill man.

1769 Edition &amp; PCE
But Amnon had a friend, whose name was Jonadab, the son of Shimeah David\'s brother: and Jonadab was a very subtil man.

An Americanised edition
But Amnon had a friend, whose name was Jonadab, the son of Shimeah David\'s brother: and Jonadab was a very subtle man.

The point is only valid if we apply it beyond the &quot;authorised tradition&quot;, which is the problem with the newly so-called updated editions (i.e. corrupted). However, to attempt to argue that &quot;subtil&quot; versus &quot;subtill&quot; are &quot;version differences&quot; could be soon understood by a schoolchild, that merely spelling was not &quot;standardised&quot; in former times, and that &quot;subtill&quot; to &quot;subtill&quot; is in no way a meaning change.

A version difference means that the underlying text and/or the translation was altered. Of course, this has not happened if we compare our Pure Cambridge Edition with the 1611 Edition of the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('943', 'db593af18d', 'The Protector, 7 September 2008', '[img:db593af18d]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:db593af18d]

[color=red:db593af18d]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:db593af18d]

WELCOME! [i:db593af18d]The Protector[/i:db593af18d] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

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THE BIBLE BELIEVING NATION

William Muir wrote, “those who wish to maintain the integrity of the Empire as great and free, should all, make much of our English Bible, and do everything they can to induce others to do the same. In that way alone can the nation be saved from social unrest and industrial dispeace and bound together in a helpful unity.” (Our Grand Old Bible, page 234).

The learned author here identifies a strong link between the Bible and national blessing. The Scripture says, “Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD” (Psalm 33:12a).

Without the Bible, the purity of the individual, and the moral fabric of the family and household falls apart. Without the Bible as base and foundation, social and economic divisions abound, so that a nation is weakened from within.

Having a belief of the Bible, having the Lordship of Christ, is the way to have the best citizenship,

“Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation. Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord\'s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.” (1 Peter 2:12–14).

If a nation has a percentage of Christians, then this is must be a force for good for the nation, and for bringing the nation into the best possible place.

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Even italic typeface should be exact.
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Is a spelling difference between 1611 and today really a version difference?
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('944', 'fb8cd004eb', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', '&quot;Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.&quot; (3 John 2).

It\'s God\'s will that Christians be in good health, as this Scripture shows. The key to physical good health is prosperity of the soul. The soul consists of the mind, will and emotions. How can our souls prosper?

&quot;Thou wilt keep [i:fb8cd004eb]him [/i:fb8cd004eb]in perfect peace, [i:fb8cd004eb]whose [/i:fb8cd004eb]mind [i:fb8cd004eb]is [/i:fb8cd004eb]stayed [i:fb8cd004eb]on thee:[/i:fb8cd004eb] because he trusteth in thee.&quot; (Isaiah 26:3).

Soul prosperity comes from trusting in God, and keeping our minds focussed on Him and His Word. This keeps our minds in perfect peace, the peace that Christ promised to leave with us.

Remembering, reading and thinking about God\'s Word renews our minds, and guides us in the way He wants us to walk in every area of our lives, including our physical health. Obedience to the Scripture brings prosperity to the spirit, soul and body.

&quot;And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [i:fb8cd004eb]is [/i:fb8cd004eb]that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.&quot; (Romans 12:2).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('945', '7ab42bbe08', 'Studying the King James Bible', '&quot;For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.&quot; (Romans 15:4)

God intended for His Word to be a source of encouragement and comfort to us. Throughout the Bible God\'s faithfulness is affirmed. When you read His promises of blessing for your life, you can believe them. God\'s direction for us is to hope in His Word, so as we study the Word, our sense of expectancy can grow. Expect God\'s goodness to be manifested in your life.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('946', '046270b84d', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'One of the accusations against the King James Bible only position is that it causes church disunity. I want to examine this accusation made by gainsayers and see the reality.

We want to see the following in this study:
(1) What is church unity and what is it based upon? The words of man or the Word of God?
(2) The current use of modern versions has corrupted doctrine and allowed for apostasy to invade churches.
(3) The use of one correct and true Bible encourages unity amongst the brethren.
(4) The time has come for true churches to stand for truth and come against the heresy of modern versions.

Firstly, look at God\'s will for [b:046270b84d]unity amongst the brethren[/b:046270b84d] in the following verse and ask yourself whether modern versions with their many differences can actually meet God\'s standard. &quot;Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.&quot; (1 Corinthians 1:10).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('947', '15344fd4c7', 'Re: Is a standardised spelling really a version difference?', '[color=darkblue:15344fd4c7]Hi Folks,

Although there is a danger of getting bogged down in semantics, I see two difficulties here.

Matthew, you have spoken for the word \'revision\' instead of \'edition\' for 1769 and other modest updates.  It seems that once you use the word \'revision\' (which is also associated with the W &amp; H shenanigans) this weakens the case against \'versions\'.  Many of us think only the word \'editions\' is appropriate.

Also:[/color:15344fd4c7]
[color=brown:15344fd4c7]
&quot;A version difference means that the underlying text and/or the translation was altered. Of course, this has not happened if we compare our Pure Cambridge Edition with the 1611 Edition of the King James Bible.&quot;[/color:15344fd4c7]
[color=darkblue:15344fd4c7]
However there is minor textual alteration in the purification, especially from 1611 to 1627 to 1638 (I think I have the dates right). I do not consider such minor updates as either a new version or a revision, however it seems like an overstatement to say that there was no text change at all.  Even if the text changes were very simple, like some plurals to singulars, some words altered from compound to single or the reverse, and such.  Technically those are very modest text changes, updates, purifications but they can be considered text changes.  Granted they are not direct noun and verb and sentence structure changes, how to make that distinction is a question.  

If I remember there may be a couple of cases where words changed a bit more from 1611 to 1638. 

Shalom,
Steven[/color:15344fd4c7]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('948', '7ebb04ee48', '', '[quote:7ebb04ee48]Matthew, you have spoken for the word ‘revision’ instead of ‘edition’ for 1769 and other modest updates. It seems that once you use the word ‘revision’ (which is also associated with the W &amp; H shenanigans) this weakens the case against ‘versions’.[/quote:7ebb04ee48]

I have not said that the word “revision” should be instead of the word “edition” (in case anyone thinks that). 

I maintain that “edition” is proper usage.

However, since our enemies do not define words and their meanings for us, and since we must be factual and honest, we cannot deny that some kind of revising took place in the history of the King James Bible. However this “revising” was not “reworking the text” or “reworking the translation”, etc. It was revising in the editorial sense, that is, to continue proofreading, copy editing and regularisation. This is the proper kind of revision which has taken place throughout the history of the King James Bible.
 
Just because enemies have used “revision” to mean corruption, and used “revision” as a means of destroying, and “revision” has become a word with bad emotive connotations does not in any way mean that we can no longer use this word properly for the right purposes.

A certain Baptist minister (Dr David Reagan) wrote an article about the myth of the revision of the King James Bible (even though Ruckman uses this very word). While the article was well-meaning, it did contain several factual errors, and tried to make the totally unplausible conclusion that none of the minor editorial changes which have indeed taken place in the KJB should be called or identified to be caused by “revision”. This is clearly an untenable position, since any deliberate editorial change must have been the product of “editorial revision”. Since Reagan admits that typographical errors were corrected, the only process by which this is corrected, other than by “proofreading” is when a concerted editorial effort takes place, which is called “revision” and produces an edition which has been “revised”, thus called a “revision”.

[quote:7ebb04ee48]I said: “A version difference means that the underlying text and/or the translation was altered. Of course, this has not happened if we compare our Pure Cambridge Edition with the 1611 Edition of the King James Bible.” 

Steven Avery wrote: “However there is minor textual alteration in the purification, especially from 1611 to 1627 to 1638 (I think I have the dates right). I do not consider such minor updates as either a new version or a revision, however it seems like an overstatement to say that there was no text change at all. Even if the text changes were very simple, like some plurals to singulars, some words altered from compound to single or the reverse, and such. Technically those are very modest text changes, updates, purifications but they can be considered text changes. Granted they are not direct noun and verb and sentence structure changes, how to make that distinction is a question.[/quote:7ebb04ee48]

The issue here is regarding the 1611, 1629, 1638 (and 1769) editions, which clearly exhibit “revision”. Take, for example, the edition of 1769, the learned editor was clearly involved in “revision” — [url]www.bibleprotector.com/Benjamin_Blayney.pdf[/url] 

He even says, “not to mention the frequent revisions of proofs besides, which are common in correcting the press.” This means doing multiple handwritten annotation drafts before anything was printed were already called “revisions”. The printing in another size for the press caused “a repetition of almost the same trouble and care in the revisal”. (Many quotations and examples of the word &quot;revision&quot; could be gathered from the historical literature/sources contemporary to the KJB\'s progress.)

[color=green:7ebb04ee48]Now to the issue of what the word “text” means. Our meaning of “Text” or “underlying text” is this: the exact presence and order of words (which were present in the original autographs) as existing in the original languages as was presented in the English Bible of 1611. This “text”, meaning, “readings”, has not been altered or changed from 1611 to the present.

The other use of “text”, which is regard to the presentation of English wording and lettering alone, and to do with editorial conventions, etc., may be termed, “the English text”.[/color:7ebb04ee48]

We find that a reading like 1 John 5:7 has not been altered in the history of the King James Bible. If critical wording was lost here, this would be a textual issue.

We also find that some words have altered in the history of the King James Bible, and not one of these cases can be said to be because the work of 1611 was in error, but rather seems due to printing errors.

This may be seen in a variety of examples, of which I shall list but a few notable ones (missing in 1611):
1. The word “and” of “and the Hivites” in Exodus 23:23. (This is actually due to regularisation, to match to other passages which use the same wording.)
2. The words “and the books” in 2 Tim. 4:13.
3. The words “of God” in 1 John 5:12.

Some people claim that some differences came about in or by 1769 because editors were using, say, a certain edition of Stephanus, as opposed to whatever TR edition the KJB translators were favouring at that moment. But this is only conjectural. Scrivener lists where the translators follow any or various TR editions against others, this showing to us that the KJB is actually a “TR of TRs”, or a critical final edition of the TR.

Moreover, editors did indeed use “the originals” to ensure that their editing of the text (meaning the English presentation) did not alter or corrected errors thereof in line to the underlying Text (meaning the proper reading of the original as presented in the English translation).

(Whether or not the KJB was afterward &quot;conformed&quot; to a particular edition of the TR is a side issue, and does not really correlate with word changes that were made which did not appear in the printing of 1611.)

[color=green:7ebb04ee48]Thus:

Once we recognise that changes have taken place within the history of the proper tradition of King James Bible editions, and understand the nature of them, being the product of “revisions” of the English presentation, and

Once we recognise that the changes which have taken place were not of the underlying text, nor translation, nor of the kind of “revisions” which change the actual nature of the Bible,

We may conclude that to understand and to teach this is quite the OPPOSITE of “weakening the case against ‘versions’”, or “playing into the modernists’ hands”, as some KJBOs indicate.[/color:7ebb04ee48]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('949', 'fe79e57f4e', '', 'I tend to agree that &quot;edition&quot; is a more accurate term than &quot;revision&quot;.  To revise implies to me more than just cleaning up inadvertent errors.  That may be true in some cases from 1611 to 1900.  How would this terminology effect the 7 steps between 1611 and the PCE?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('950', 'f82195119f', '', 'The natural phenomena is that generally and progressively editorial work was done when printing the King James Bible, and that on occasions, more concerted effort was employed.

This natural phenomena (e.g. the deliberate operations of the standardisation of the language throughout the KJB) can be categorised into seven historical progressive forms, which are major editions of the KJB.

These major editions (being called &quot;major&quot; in regard to their importance for the information they yeild in the changes they reveal, so contributing to the progressive purification) are: the first printing of 1611 (principal), the second edition, the Folio of 1613, the Cambridge Folio of 1629, that of 1638, the Oxford Folio of 1769 and the Pure Cambridge Edition as represented by the consensus of a host of Bibles printed from circa 1900.

The word &quot;edition&quot; has several meanings, which could be the issue of the press from one place at one time, or mean conformity of any Bible to one of the &quot;major editions&quot; afore mentioned, or conformity to a particular family of editions, relative to time, place (publisher) and/or edition size (Folio, etc.).

Inasmuch as the &quot;major editions&quot; (that is, the times/places where the most differences may be found in the history and printing of the King James Bible) are profound and identifiable, they must be the result of the &quot;revision&quot; of editors (history testifies of this) whose work then appeared in these notable editions (which are &quot;revisions&quot;).

The traditional revisions are nothing the same as the kinds of revision that took place, such as by those who censored the Bible, interpolated text and margin, wholesale updated words, altered the text and reading, changed the so-called archaic language and/or &quot;modernised&quot; it, etc.

Thus, we have (to put it into a simple overview):

Traditional revisions with limited modernisation (accepted)
Modern revisions with degrees of word and meaning changes with widespread modernisation (not accepted)
Revisions producing modern versions with degrees of underlying textual and translational changes (totally unacceptable)

(If no &quot;revision&quot; has taken place of the King James Bible then what we have today should be the degraded form of what exactly was printed in 1611.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('951', '3181dd5fe4', '', 'It is clear that any King James Bible of the proper tradition and lineage is the Word of God, and no matter what edition, in the line from 1611 to the Pure Cambridge Edition, they are all the pure Word. The point is that the presentation, in regards to printing, was not always correct, and the language was not always standardised, and other aspects like use of italics were not always regularised. Thus, we have a purification in regards to the presentation, which never changed the version-text or the translation, but only aspects of the English-presentational-text. This is the purification that occurred from 1611, which may be found by seeing that there are seven major proper revision editions.

Some claim that there are only “four major editions”. But there are not merely “four major editions” of the King James Bible. There are seven major editions. They are “major” for differing reasons, but all have in common that they exhibit editorial review (the proper kind of “revision”) and purification. Each has a significant part to play in the contribution of the improvement of the presentation.

1. First 1611 Edition (“He”), London, Barker, Folio
2. Second 1611 Edition (“She”), London, Barker, Folio
3. 1613 Edition, London, Barker, Folio
4. 1629 Edition, Thomas and John Buck, Cambridge, Folio
5. 1638 Edition, Thomas Buck and Roger Daniel, Cambridge, Folio (eds: Bois, Goad, Mede and Ward)
6. 1769 Edition, Wright and Gill, Oxford, Folio, (ed. Blayney)
7. Pure Cambridge Edition, circa 1900, C. F. Clay, Cambridge, (ed. Redpath), as is exhibited by the consensus of many of printings in various sizes and by several publishers in subsequent years.

If a person must go to the “Hebrew” in order to show that variations and differences in the King James Bible are both accepted, or concurrently correct, they are indeed denying the King James Bible, and that ONE wording of it as final authority. In other words, a person is attempting to excuse or defend both typographical errors and the true words both at the same time as truth, (which is doublemindedness) and simply because both appear in “The King James Bible”. Thus, the illogical position of having to defend unintentional errors as though they are words from God!?!

It is strange that a person can say that they believe the authority is in the English, yet run to the Hebrew and Greek in order attempt to use the original languages to support typographical errors or variations in the King James Bible.

Some may think that the implication is that “all other editions are impure”, and misunderstand. But, all other editions are impure, not impure in VERSION-TEXT, not impure in TRANSLATION, but impure in PRESENTATION.

David Reagan wrote (in his “myth” article):

“These errors do not render a Bible useless, but they should be corrected in later editions.” etc. “Just as the first two so-called revisions were actually two stages of one process — the purification of early printing errors — so the last two so-called revisions were two stages in another process: the standardization of the spelling.”

The presence of typographical errors must render the edition which contain them “impure” in the presentation. Therefore, it was important to editorially “review” the King James Bible over time, so that it might be properly presented.

Peter Ruckman wrote (in his “differences in the KJV editions” article series):

“genuine updating and genuine [b:3181dd5fe4]revision[/b:3181dd5fe4] work done on different editions of the AV”

Therefore, logically, later editions must be better than the earlier in regards to typography and spelling.

David Reagan wrote:

“The King James Version we have today has not been revised but [b:3181dd5fe4]purified[/b:3181dd5fe4].”

The word “purified” means that the later must be further purified in presentation than the earlier. However, that God’s pure words are present in 1611 is not disputed. It is that the presentation is purified.

Peter Ruckman wrote:

“The typographical errors of the 1613 edition were brought right back into line with 1611.” “...if any signs of departure showed up in the printing press.” etc. “a present copy of the AV, which anyone can buy anywhere--in spite of the work of the NKJV and NASV and NIV committees,--is a ‘purified text’.”

Thus, any edition based on that from 1769 is going to be purified in relation and comparison to the presentation of 1611.

Donald Waite wrote (in his “defending the KJB” book):

“make certain that it follows the CAMBRIDGE edition rather than the OXFORD edition of the KING JAMES BIBLE. There are slight errors in the OXFORD edition which do not conform to either the Hebrew and [sic] Greek”

Accordingly, [certain] Cambridge printings are without “errors”. Meaning typographical and other spelling variations which are properly presented in the Cambridge as opposed to others.

Peter Ruckman wrote:

“As we have seen, any and all [b:3181dd5fe4]revisions[/b:3181dd5fe4] were corrections of PRESS ERRORS ... printer’s errors were corrected until a purified text was arrived at ... Thus purity of text to ‘restore the originals’ is sometimes a process ...”

Thus, to have standard spelling and correct typography today is to have the standard edition in regards to proper presentation.

[color=green:3181dd5fe4]All true Christians must lay aside use of any other version, doctrine or varying edition of the King James Bible, since there is only one which is exactly perfect. The Pure Cambridge Edition is correct to the very letter, and it is fully God’s will in English. God wishes that people obey His Word, which is presented exactly in the Pure Cambridge Edition.[/color:3181dd5fe4]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('952', 'dc832e779a', '', 'We are able to classify differences in the King James Bible between the 1611 Edition and the Pure Cambridge Edition into three categories of purification:

1. Correction of typographical errors,
2. Standardisation of the language (i.e. spelling and grammar), and
3. Regularisation, including the conformity of usage of italic words, consistent use of word forms, and other such things which can be in conjunction with either of the first two points.

For example, &quot;Gaba&quot; at Ezra 2:26 could be a typographical error in 1611, and it would have been changed in the PCE on the basis of regularisation in regard to other passages, particularly, &quot;Geba&quot; at Nehemiah 7:30.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('953', '29b0f27324', '', 'Pete,

I have never did myself, this is something I need to do.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('954', 'c0b23d9415', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;And Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the LORD hath said will we do.&quot; (Exodus 24:3).

Note that &quot;[b:c0b23d9415]all the words[/b:c0b23d9415]&quot; of God were told to the people. None were lost or locked in the minds of some scholar. All the words were available. The availability of all the words of God contributes to the unity of the people, so that they have &quot;one voice&quot;. If all the words of God were not available, then the one voice will also be missing and this is what has happened in the apostasy of today. The many &quot;bible&quot; versions do not have all the words of God. Only the King James Bible has all the words of God today, so this is the Bible that gives unity amongst the brethren.

&quot;Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel&quot; (Philippians 1:27). We see from this verse how important it is for believers to have &quot;one spirit&quot; and &quot;one mind&quot; in relation to the gospel of Christ. The gospel of Christ is written down to be preached, so it cannot and should not be deficient. The modern versions omit many words, even in the Gospel books themselves, so all the words of God are surely deficient in them. This fact shows that they do not contribute to unity but rather undermine it. In other words, the undermining of the gospel, the Word of God, also undermines unity and brings in division because truth and error will never agree.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('955', '6877c04325', 'Atlas,can you contact me please?', 'Atlas, 

please contact me by email. My email address is [REMOVED FOR PRIVACY REASONS]. I would like to find out how you went about getting this all started and what things are looking like at this point. I am wondering if this could be done in my area as well. I live in Alabama in the Southeast USA and I noticed that you live in Texas.

I am curious about how you printed and bound the first batch of Bibles and what do you plan for the future. I am just getting in on the tail end of a discussion that you have had with Matthew so I am sure what all has been happening here.

I am a retired/disabled United Methodist Pastor and I love the PCE and the KJB with my whole heart. I have served in a denomination that used everything but the true Word of God.

Please email me if you don\'t mind and let me know how you got started and any advice on how much it took to get started and how you went about it.  I would appreciate it very much!!

God bless your ministry!!
John Pace');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('956', '0f62486106', '', 'John,

I sent you an email buddy.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('958', 'cbe829a0d9', 'Guy Fawkes Day', 'Guy Fawkes Day was originally meant to be a celebration of the victory of God over the plots of the enemies of God, specifically those Catholics involved in the Gunpowder Plot.

&quot;Because the plot was foiled, 5 November was designated a holiday, but over time the holiday has also become a celebration of Fawkes\'s revolutionary intent.&quot; (see http://www.infoplease.com/biography/var/guyfawkes.html )

Just because some (not all) use the day to celebrate the opposite, it doesn\'t mean that Christians should abandon its original intent. Similarly, just because some use Christmas to celebrate mammon, it doesn\'t mean that Christ\'s birth should be forgotten, downplayed or not celebrated at Christmas.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('959', '0d4a39bf0f', 'Atlas, I received your email', 'Atlas, I have received your email and will contact you off group for more information and ideas. Thank you Sir, for your response and many blessings be with you and your ministry.

Love in Christ,
John Pace');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('960', '02490fc598', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', '&quot;What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [i:02490fc598]which is[/i:02490fc598] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.&quot; (1Corinthians 6:19, 20)

The Word of God is health to all our flesh. Study of God’s Word keeps our minds sharp, and promotes a responsible attitude toward looking after our bodies. Our bodies are called the temple of the Holy Ghost. Eating healthily, getting physical exercise and keeping our minds focussed on God’s Word are all ways of honouring Him. If we\'re stuggling, God will help us if we seek Him and sincerely desire His help.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('961', '8952dee1ad', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '&quot;Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.&quot; (1 Corinthians 12:4). One of the gifts of the Spirit is &quot;discerning of spirits&quot; (see 1 Corinthians 12:10). This gift can operate in a Pentecostal believer to discern or judge whether or not a spirit is of God.

It is clear that the gift of discerning of spirits is sadly missing from the modernist churches of today. If it were present, then there would be no problems whatsoever in discerning the spirit of error behind modern versions. &quot;We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.&quot; (1 John 4:6). Also, it would not be hard to discern the spirit of truth, which has agreed with the King James Bible and its lineage for centuries.

Here are some easy principles for Traditional Pentecostals:
(1) The spirit of error backs error (ie. mistakes, lies, falsehoods) in false bibles.
(2) The spirit of truth backs truth (ie. purity, honesty, integrity) in the Holy Bible - it agrees with holiness, which has no corruption or darkness in it.
(3) Satan is the author of the spirit of error, so modern versions cannot have originated from God. &quot;Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.&quot; (John 8:44).
(4) Modern versions and the King James Bible are opposites and cannot be mixed because the spirit of error and the spirit of truth are complete opposites. &quot;Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?&quot; (James 3:11).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('962', '92192162c5', '', 'Barry Chant (Australian Pentecostal historian), in his 1999 unpublished Thesis for his PhD from Macquarie University, entitled &quot;The Spirit of Pentecost&quot;, writes, &quot;Biblical quotations are from the translation relevant to the context — either from the Authorised Version of the Bible (1611) or from the HOLY BIBLE, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION. Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society.&quot;

He knows full well that Pentecostals were using the King James Bible, and is admitting that Pentecostalism proper was based on it. This statement, if taken as a synopsis of Pentecostal history, shows the great compromise of many Pentecostals and the direct connection of this with use of modern versions.

His thesis contains a &quot;Benediction&quot; quoting &quot;The Gospel of Mark 16:14-20 (NIV)&quot;. Now, even though true Pentecostalism believes the entire of Mark 16 and applies it even to the present (i.e. &quot;they shall speak with new tongues&quot;), the NIV is linked with the rejection of this doctrine, for it says, &quot;The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20.&quot; So why would any Pentecostal want to use a modern version that expressly doubts the very Scripture which is important to the Pentecostal doctrine?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('963', '9911bd25f8', 'The Protector, 14 September 2008', '[img:9911bd25f8]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:9911bd25f8]

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HOLINESS

The most advanced and soundest form of Australian Christianity has holiness as a major component of its tradition. Remarkably, this concept is largely missing from the present day movements which once did teach Christian Perfectionism, Entire Sanctification or even Temperance.

When holiness degrades into a lifeless, carnal tradition, it becomes something which is without the Spirit of God, “Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men? Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.” (Colossians 2:20–23).

For example, some have eschewed money, because money has been used for corrupt or evil purposes, yet they deny the clear Scriptures where Christ expressly used money, or praised those who did well with it.

And so traditions may be manufactured concerning dress, the appearance of women, and all such things, the prohibition of radio or television, all which deal only with the external, and not with heart issues. But the true doctrine of holiness must begin from the heart.

In 2 Corinthians 7:1, Paul writes, “HAVING therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” By using the word “ourselves”, he shows that all Christians must lay apart sin and any weight or unclean thing. It is a commandment that Christians should live after the Spirit, and that failure to do so can lead to a person falling from grace.

On the other side, there are many Christians (and false brethren) who have rebelled against Christian Perfectionism, who believe that sin is excusable, and have misguided doctrines such as “all men are sinners” (i.e. Christ has not really saved anyone). But Acts 26:18 says, “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.”

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('964', '9fd02ca359', 'Studying the King James Bible', 'Christ\'s work involves perfecting the Church. His Word is used to perfect the Body of Christ:

&quot;That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,&quot; (Ephesians 5:26).

It\'s necessary to study the Word because:

• The Word of God has a cleansing power. It will wash us clean from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:7, 9).
• The Bible is also like a mirror, enabling us to identify sinful behaviours (James 1:23-25).
• It’a lamp, which illuminates the path of righteousness, and shows the dangers of diverting off the path of truth (Psalm 119:105).
• It’s a comfort and delight to our soul in the midst of a troubled world (Psalm 94:19).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('965', '3c40a87d89', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'The Biblical definition of the fear of the Lord is clear: &quot;The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.&quot; (Proverbs 8:13).

The hatred of evil is absolutely necessary to have a holy life, &quot;Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.&quot; (2 Corinthians 7:1). It is no coincidence that the promises of God are found in the Bible, which is likened to cleansing water. &quot;That he might sanctify and cleanse it [the Church] with the washing of water by the word&quot; (Ephesians 5:26). Jesus said: &quot;Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.&quot; (John 15:3).

The Traditional Pentecostal will not only live a holy life but will also have a Holy Bible to keep himself cleansed from filthiness (see also Romans 1:2 and 2 Timothy 3:15).

The filth of modern versions cannot cleanse anyone from filthiness, so it is no wonder that unbelief and unholiness is characteristic of the modernist churches. Repentance is necessary. Turning to God to acknowledge the King James Bible as the Holy Bible is necessary.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('966', '48afc1b7d3', '14 alterations stuff - Richard Brett', '[color=darkblue:48afc1b7d3]Hi Folks,

[quote:48afc1b7d3=\"praxean\"]  I decided to try to look into the primary sources on this a bit.   My first two posts are at:[/color:48afc1b7d3] [url]http://finalauthority48270.yuku.com/topic/7114[/url]
KJV translator reported alterations in translators\' text [/quote:48afc1b7d3][color=darkblue:48afc1b7d3] 
The thread continued and our historians might find certain aspects quite interesting.

Not surprisingly, now we are also discovering that the attempt to link some Richard Brett (skilled KJB translator) concerns to the much later 14 Bancroft alterations \'rumour\' (Samuel Newth) was only done by masking the actual chronology and not identifying the primary sources.  And by the technique, commonly used by Rick Norris in order to make sort-of cases against the King James Bible, of very selective and (snipped) quoting of secondary and tertiary sources.  You will find the Richard Brett aspect of the discussion in progress on page 3 of the link above.

Shalom,
Steven [/color:48afc1b7d3]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('967', '5a7bbb7719', 'The PCE', 'God bless those who support and distribute the PCE.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('968', 'c597010f6c', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change: For their calamity shall rise suddenly; and who knoweth the ruin of them both?&quot; (Proverbs 24:21,22).

Many churches have meddled with them given to change of the Word of God itself and we see the great divergence from holiness as a result. &quot;There is no fear of God before their eyes.&quot; (Romans 3:18). The fear of the Lord is to hate evil (see Proverbs 8:13), so hatred of meddling with the purity of the Bible should be very high. When it is not, then division of faithfulness to God is the result, seeing His truth never changes, just as He never changes. &quot;For I am the LORD, I change not&quot; (Malachi 3:6a).

Hence, those given to change through modern versions are contributing greatly to disunity in churches. True Christians will want to be constant and faithful to God\'s truth and will not change their stand with the one Bible, namely the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('969', '1b253d5e7c', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', '&quot;AFTER this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep [i:1b253d5e7c]market [/i:1b253d5e7c]a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches. In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had. And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time [i:1b253d5e7c]in that case[/i:1b253d5e7c], he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me. Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk. And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.&quot; (John 5:1-9).

God had mercifully provided a sign, which occurred from time to time, for people to receive supernatural healing. The troubling of the water showed that God wanted people to be healed, and it was an outlet for their faith to be put into action. When Jesus came however, He showed that there was no need for the infirm man to wait. Healing was available right there and then. Jesus asked the pointed question: &quot;...Wilt thou be made whole?...&quot; Could the infirm man receive healing? Could he believe? He did, and was immediately made whole. Christ came to preach deliverance to the captives. People who believe that God can not, or has no will to heal. So that same question applies to us today. Will we be made whole? God has not changed. He has provided the way for us to be whole: we receive it by faith. God will not let us down, His power and His truth will always prevail.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('970', 'e89a57d87b', 'Should we go to the &quot;Greek&quot; for Scripture interpre', 'Can Greek be used as a help to define, understand or clarify a word or passage?

If it could be, then there would be no point of God giving us His Word in English, because it would not have the full conceptual authority in English.

If we cannot know certainly what our Bible says and means in English (because of restrictions, such as further meaning in the Greek), then God is not all powerful, and His providence is a failure.

I know one, who, in the past, on several occasions attempted to understand the Bible and its doctrine by looking up the meaning of Greek or Hebrew words. But I think that this is wrong and unnecessary.

Has God really failed to get the full import of the Gospel, right down to the jot and tittle, and every meaning perfect in English?

“But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.” (1 Peter 1:25).

The full measure of God’s revelation of the Scripture must be fully given to us in English, and must be for the whole world (which has English as the common tongue).

“For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:18).

We cannot even know what jot and tittles belong, and what exactly is to be fulfilled, if we are yet relying upon the mysterious “authority” of the Hebrew and Greek (where there is no standard edition to the nth degree, and where there is no certain meaning which may be accessed by Christians generally, let alone the world universally). But since we have an accurate English Bible which we can understand, so likewise may we believe and see everything it says fulfilled. (Otherwise how can we know when God brings to pass any promise, since we would not be certain as to what the promises actually are, which is to say, having a perfect Word leads to perfect faith.)

“He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.” (Deuteronomy 32:4).

If God has caused His Word to come forth to the world in English, then the English Bible must be perfect. It must be completely perfect as an entity, which would mean that perfection of knowledge of its meaning would not require or necessitate any knowledge of the Scripture contained in any other language. (However, this should not mean that knowing Scripture in another language is a mark of antichrist, rather, it is to be counted as dung. To do good is not of antichrist, but to do good without Christ is as dung.)

Moreover, whereas the King James Bible translators were well versed in other languages, (and many godly men since), we see that God’s providential outworking was there with their translation. But once they translated, what need had they for further translating? And now, once we have the purified presentation of the King James Bible, agreed and settled, why would we think that interpretation of the Scripture requires or finds any edification in looking into the original languages?

It should be a truth to us that INTERPRETATION IS BASED UPON THE AUTHORITY OF THE ENGLISH SCRIPTURE ALONE, and the Holy Ghost’s use of godly teachers in the true Church of the same.

Finally, Zephaniah 3:9 is talking about Biblical English. The English of the King James Bible is indeed pure. It is clear that Bible Hebrew was not a “mongrel language”, and that while English may indeed be “a coat of many colours”, nevertheless, by this seemingly foolish notion of a Gentile tongue should God cause His Gospel to be preached in great power and glory, even in this present time (soon at hand). That is the historicist meaning of “for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.” (Zephaniah 3:8b). Of course, there is also a Millennial meaning of the prophecy, but the Scripture says there are “times of refreshing” (note “times” plural), so the Restitution is not just in the Millennium, but for Christians before even the Great Tribulation, i.e. in this present dispensation. (Peter boldly claimed such promises already for his day, how much more should we, when iniquity does abound!)');
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ENGLISH RATHER THAN HEBREW AND GREEK

“For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.” (Zephaniah 3:9).

If you look at the context of this verse, you can see that it is set in the latter times. Now, since people were talking Hebrew, the “pure language” to which the people would be turned cannot be Hebrew (they would not be turned from Hebrew to Hebrew, but to another language). Moreover, it cannot be Greek (the New Testament) because the Jews and even Christians to this day, have to yet reached a point of “one consent” in believing, and in their knowledge of what God’s name actually is (i.e. JEHOVAH).

Since English is the global language, the “pure language” must be God’s Word in one form (one Bible version) for all. Thus, the pure language is literally Biblical English.

This being the case, going back to the Hebrew or Greek, both in regards to text (which words belong) and/or translation (the meaning of words) is not consistent with the statement of Zephaniah 3:9.

“For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.” (Isaiah 28:11).

The evangelisation of the Jews (i.e. natural Israel) must be by a different language, not Hebrew, nor Syriack, nor Greek, but English. There has not yet been a full conversion of the Jews or Israel, (even though English is now spoken there), but the Scripture shows that Israel (the Jews) must be converted: “And so all Israel shall be saved” (Rom. 11:26a), “Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.” (Rom. 11:31), “I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.” (Rom. 10:19), etc.

There are plenty of indications in Scripture that the language of the last days conversion of Israel must begin by Gentiles (i.e. a nation of English speakers). “Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.” (Isaiah 45:22, 23).

“Every word of God is pure” (Proverbs 30:5a).

God’s Word is in English. It is a pure version and translation in English. And we even have it pure right down to the details of spelling and so on. Then why would we surrender this great heritage, and think that running to a lexicon etc. is going to be a foundational source for interpretation of the words of Scripture.

Is not God powerful enough to give His Word fully and utterly in English? Is He not powerful enough to give not only sufficiently but fully His revelation in English as much as it was in the Hebrew or Greek? And is not the English Bible superior because it has gathered into one book all the 66 books, and that the language happens to correspond to the one world language, where study of it shows it has the exact and fullness of His written revelation to mankind?

The Authority of Scripture = King James Bible only.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('972', '6c190c01a1', 'Human rights', 'The Bible promotes treatment of people which is godly and dignified. The Lord has always shown people that they have the divinely appointed ability to choose life (eternal life with God) or death (eternal separation from God). God\'s will is that life (through receiving the Lord Jesus Christ as Saviour and living in obedience to God) be chosen. When people choose God and obey His Word, they will treat others as God treats man: righteously, fairly, justly and consistently.

&quot;I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [i:6c190c01a1]that [/i:6c190c01a1]I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:...&quot; (Deuteronomy 30:19).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('973', '55adadfa6f', 'What is Biblical preaching?', '\'[42]And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. [43] Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
[44] And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
[45] But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
[46] Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.&quot; (Acts 13:42-46)

It is interesting to see the progression of the Biblical preacher in this passage.

Verse 42 shows that there are people who want to hear preaching and, in fact, invite it to be done. Such people want to hear what God has for them.

Verse 43 shows that there is a persuasion element in preaching and there will be people who will be shown the better way, even if it goes against the way they had previously gone. &quot;Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience&quot; (Ephesians 2:2).

Verse 44 shows that preaching can reach a whole city and we notice that the people came to &quot;hear the word of God&quot;, [b:55adadfa6f]not [/b:55adadfa6f]for entertainment or some worldly desire.

Verse 45 illustrates the opposition to preaching. But should preachers stop? Not at all, for this is the way people are converted and taught of God.

Verse 46 shows that boldness is necessary to preach even in the face of opposition. This boldness comes from God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('974', '5107a9c453', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'Over many years, I have observed the lack of growth in those who use modern versions. I have observed the disintigration of faith, of true doctrine, of holiness, and of faithfulness to the Lord. On the other hand, I have seen that those Pentecostals that hold to the King James Bible as pure and perfect grow in God at a wonderful rate. I have seen passionate love for the pure Word of God. None of this is coincidence.

&quot;As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby&quot; (1 Peter 2:2). Just like newborn babes, Christians must have the proper desire for the [b:5107a9c453]sincere [/b:5107a9c453]milk of the word. This word &quot;sincere&quot; should be thought about because it shows that the word from God that is to be desired must be true, pure, excellent, holy and righteous - this is sincere and not to be denied. Do you want to grow? Then partake of that which has the purity and strength of God invested in it - the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('975', '9f63002cf8', '', 'Narrow Dispensationalism says that after Christ died, there is a massive space of history where apparently nothing significant is to be fulfilled in Church history, except that there are seven eras of the Church matching up with the seven churches of Revelation, and then the translation (&quot;rapture&quot;), after which suddenly all the prophecies about the end time are being fulfilled in ernest.

While there is a Dispensational view of history, and there is going to be a future tribulation with a future antichrist in control of the world, it would be extremely foolish to discount the idea that Scriptures can have multiple valid interpretations. The Reformers and Protestant leaders cannot have been wrong to believe that various prophecies were being fulfilled in their days.

The proper view is to look at prophecies of Revelation being fulfilled in two key ways:  
1. The fulfilment of much of the book of Revelation through history.
2. The future fulfilment of most of the book of Revelation.

Revelation 2, 3, 4
Presently being fulfilled from Pentecost to the Translation of the saints.

Revelation 4 to Revelation 16:12
Mainly presently being fulfilled, will also mainly be fulfilled again in the future (except for parts referring to the past, e.g. the first fall of Satan, the pre-Christian existence of the travailing woman; these kinds of things are also made into future prophecies by some extreme interpreters.)

Revelation 16:13 to end of book
Future, e.g. translation, Armageddon, Millennium, Last Judgment

So, when we consider the seals, trumpets and vials, they have their first meaning, which is symbolic:
Seals - various events against the Pagan Roman Empire (e.g. civil war)
Trumpets - various events against the Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox (e.g. the Turks)
Vials - various events against Roman Catholics and other religions (e.g. the Napoleonic Empire)

Then, in a future seven year period the seals, trumpets and vials have their second meaning, taken literally, causing great destruction upon the Earth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('976', '0b8e32c1c1', '', 'Some people, in their zeal, attempt to match up the coming of Gog and Magog with the beginning (or middle) of the seven year future tribulation period. However, better futurist teachers are not dogmatic about this, and some even believe that this event is to occur before the translation of the saints (that is, before the tribulation).

present time; near future: first coming of GOG AND MAGOG plus seven years; unknown period of time; TRANSLATION of Church; 7 YEARS TRIBULATION; ARMAGEDDON; MILLENNIUM; short season with second coming of GOG AND MAGOG; FINAL JUDGMENT.

However, futurist teachers agree that Gog and Magog (Russia) is coming soon.

The coming of Gog and Magog is very different to Armageddon.

There are several different times when enemy armies are to be in Israel:
1. Gog and Magog (first)
2. Armageddon
3. Gog and Magog (second)

Various prophetic Scriptures can be matched up to one of these three:
Psalm 83: possibly 1st Gog
Joel 2: 1st Gog
Zechariah 14: Armageddon
etc.

Some areas require significant interpretation, e.g. the last part of Daniel.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('977', 'bfab9904ef', 'The Protector, 28 September 2008', '[img:bfab9904ef]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:bfab9904ef]

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NATIONS IN THE PLAN OF GOD

Henry Morris, in his book “God and the nations”, writes, “That God has an eternal purpose in mind for nations, and not only for individuals, seems evident from such Scriptures as Revelation 21:24, “And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.” (page 7).

God gave the earth and its fullness to Adam. The dominion mandate is not nationalist, but collective. Every person on Earth has been given the power and responsibility to, “Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it” (see Genesis 1:28). Although some people have not exercised that power (e.g. slaves or cave men, see Job 30), no nation has been given a divine promise or power over another one on the basis of the dominion mandate.

God is in control over nations, “But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.” (Psalm 75:7). The nations who are in greater power may be doing more in line with the overall accomplishment of the mandate: the best thing would be for a nation to recognise God’s Word as foundation, and deliberately set about as their duty to fulfil the mandate. (Of course, this would be terribly unfashionable, because various implications of the mandate are opposite to the humanitarian philosophy of the United Nations.)

There are Scriptures which do indicate that certain nations are or will be blessed, and that certain will be cursed. For example, God promised and then overthrew Chaldean Babylon. Also, Noah gave a prophecy in Genesis 9:25–27, “And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.”

This was a prophecy about the nations descended from each of these men. Ham was the father of Canaan and certain African and Arabian nations. Only one nation would properly retain Shem’s God, that is, Israel, though several Middle Eastern nations came from Shem. Japheth was father of many nations, including Europeans, Asians, Indians and Americans.

Spiritually, the religion of Shem (and Abraham, i.e. Christianity) has been adopted by many nations, and that great nations (including the Roman Empire) were indeed fulfilling national promises. (The Bible also shows that Rome must come to an end in history.)

This is what William Muir wrote in “Our Old Grand Bible” from 1911: 

“From the very first the spread of the Authorized Version made for progress and freedom. It was the study of the English Bible which in a single generation raised so many in the seventeenth century from the puerilities, superstitions, and prejudices of the Middle Ages, and made them strong, far-seeing men ; and tender, heroic women. It raised the nation at one bound to the foremost place among the nations of Europe, and more than aught else has kept it there ever since. The only enduring national prosperity is that which is based oh loyalty and obedience to the Word of God. Piety which is nourished on manuals of devotion and the lives of the saints is of the hothouse order. It is those alone who are nourished on the Bible who can stand the storm and flourish in the open air. It is they who become explorers and reformers, colonists and pioneers of Empire and the truth.”

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('978', '9cadc9d12e', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', '&quot;They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.&quot; (Mark 16:18).

Laying hands on the sick is an act of faith, and all Christians can use this method when praying for themselves or someone else. It needs to be coupled with the prayer of faith. It provides a point of contact for healing to be received and faith to be released.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('979', '44923e8490', 'Our covenant with God', '&quot;But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first [i:44923e8490]covenant [/i:44923e8490]had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.&quot; (Hebrews 8:6, 7).

The Lord Jesus Christ is the mediator of the covenant that Christians have with God. It\'s a better covenant than that of the Old Testament, because it\'s the covenant of the new birth. It is called the eternal covenant, because of Christ\'s once for all payment of His own blood which He purchased the Church with.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('980', '421d32f4bf', '14 alterations discussions', '[color=darkblue:421d32f4bf]Hi Folks,[/color:421d32f4bf]

[quote:421d32f4bf=\"bibleprotector\"]regarding that the Archbishop made a few changes...I thought Scrivener, but it was McGrath. (The secondary sources I refer to are ones such as, McGrath, Eadie and McClure.)...As for Norton...I do not think that book deals with the &quot;archbishop\'s changes&quot; allegation.[/quote:421d32f4bf][color=darkblue:421d32f4bf]
As some of you know, this is being discussed in three web-forums. 
Here, the finalauthority link above, and also continuing from post 77 on :
[/color:421d32f4bf][color=darkred:421d32f4bf]
http://av1611.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104&amp;page=8
What about the Cambridge Pure Edition?[/color:421d32f4bf]
[color=darkblue:421d32f4bf]
That is fine, since each forum has a different emphasis and audience.  

Matthew makes some interesting points above (higher up) about possibly collating various material in a more organized fashion.  Definitely a worthwhile possibility.

As to the Bancroft accusation concept, more on the two threads.  I would like to note the actual silences here, since this is a balanced and consideration forum on scholarship.  As far as I can see many of the major writers and theorists are silent:

Scrivener
Norton
Ward Allen 
David Daniell

While Ward Allen attributes Richard Brett as probably simply a Rule 10 concern, per Olga Opfell.

Overall their silence, especially Scrivener and Norton who would have paid special attention to verse alteration issues, would tend to indicate that they did not think very much of the whole 1650\'s brouhaha. With Ward Allen the 1650\'s might have simply been out of his scholarship realm.  Also David Daniell goes here and there once he reaches the 1600\'s, highlighting his interest in English poetry and literature.

Others simply report it more \'en passant\' like Laurence Vance and Olga Opfell. Opfell mentions Brett, and a quite unspecific accusation and the Ward Allen comment, likely because Brett was a translator, otherwise she is silent.

There are some I have not checked, e.g. McGrath, Daiches, Nicholson.  And they may not really be expected to cover the history.

A couple of writers show various degrees of skepticism and/or a proper factual uncertainty.  Eadie is careful to say that we do not know what happened, Samuel Newth has the excellent &quot;rumours&quot; quote (it was surprising to see the most forthright stance taking by a Westcott-text supporter) and Walter Wilson &quot;Dissenting Churches&quot; places the accusation by Jessey in the context of promoting his own translation; while still having the dubious Miles Smith \'quote\'.  I won\'t go into the lemming quote festivals of those who simply \'quote\' something, like the Miles Smith \'quote\' approvingly without much consideration.

Much like with \'strain at a gnat\' much has been learned by persuing this discussion.  Ok, \'strain at a gnat\' is a classic :-)  where I learned a ton. This one is a little different because there is no simple \'right\' and \'wrong\'  in the history.  We are not likely to ever know all the dynamics of the translators and Rule 10 Committees and final editors and overseers and external contributors.  All had a hand in bringing forth the pure Bible.  

Who knows, maybe even Hugh Broughton managed to help somehow, somewhere :-). Or Henry Ainsford.  Or William Shakespeare or Francis Bacon :-) Ok, I am having a bit of fun now.  

The discussion is more a question of forcing solid scholarship, bringing truth and history to light, learning how to deal with dubious anti-pure-Bible attempts.  And showing how anti-KJB motives and pseudo-scholarship and the Jesuit-style probabalism accusation methodology all mix together.  

It has been especially fun to look in depth at verses like 1 Peter 2:13, \'the king, as supreme\'- or \'helps, governments\' or Acts 14:23 \'ordained them elders\' where the KJB opponents want to have Paul and Barnabas calling for a vote, an election, to determine the elders.  Searching the Scriptures and learning more of God\'s word is really neat.

There is such a peace and tranquility and pleasantness in being called and able to be used of God to assist in defending the pure and perfect word of God, the Scriptures, the Authorised Version, the English Bible, the King James Bible.

Shalom,
Steven [/color:421d32f4bf]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('981', '94b7672cfc', '', 'Benson Bobrick writes,

&quot;But just as Bilson and Smith thought they were finally done, \'in came my Lord of Canterbury [Richard Bancroft] to Stationers Hall,\' claiming for himself the ultimate say. This had not been expected and Miles Smith afterwards complained that Bancroft made fourteen changes on his own account. One of them was to insist on that \'glorious word Bishopric\' ... Smith evidently objected, but Bancroft \'is so potent,\' he wrote, \'there is no contradicting him.\'&quot;

Bobrick\'s source: Lupton, &quot;Not unto us&quot;, pages 80, 81.

[url]http://www.eden.co.uk/shop/history-of-the-geneva-bible-not-unto-us-1171351.html[/url]

This scant information can be interpreted to read like this:

We had finished our task, when \'in came my Lord of Canterbury [Richard Bancroft] to Stationers Hall,\' to have the ultimate review, ensuring among other things, the presence of that \'glorious word Bishopric\'. The Archbishop \'is so potent,\' that \'there is no contradicting him.\'&quot;

Of course, when this autobiographical source material is presented in full, we shall be able to improve our judgment, including the part about Smith complaining and that 14 changes were made.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('982', '314cef3c62', '', 'Nicolson says that Miles Smith walked out of a sermon to go to the pub.

Someone researched this, and found that:
1. Nicolson has no citation to any source material
2. Nicolson personally cannot remember or has misplaced his source material
3. That there were several people called Miles Smith, including a preacher in Gloucester

[url]http://cadhas-radiant.dreamhosters.com/documents/NQ3.pdf[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('983', 'f42bf6b3b5', '', '[color=darkblue:f42bf6b3b5]Hi Folks,[/color:f42bf6b3b5]

[quote:f42bf6b3b5=\"bibleprotector\"]Nicolson says that Miles Smith walked out of a sermon to go to the pub...[/quote:f42bf6b3b5]
 [color=darkblue:f42bf6b3b5]This is a particularly pitiful example of the type of \'scholarship\' we are up against in the research. Interestingly, some of the research that Diana Evans did is similar to the contacts I am trying to make to research the writings of Miles Smith from 1611-1624. (And others who may have helpful writings around and after 1611.)

Shalom,
Steven[/color:f42bf6b3b5]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('984', 'cd99019ea4', 'Miles Smith / 1611 Marginal Notes', 'Here is a statement by Canon John Tiller,Chancellor of Herford Cathedral, where Miles Smith had his roots.
*******
[quote:cd99019ea4]I have said that Smith bequeathed a number of his books to Hereford Cathedral Library when he died. Their very nature as dictionaries, grammars, commentaries and Biblical texts in the ancient languages raises the question of whether these might have been the very copies used by Smith when he was working on the AV. I therefore looked through them to see what evidence might remain of the use he made of them. As I said earlier, they do indeed contain marginal notes in Smith’s hand. However, the beautiful five-volume edition of the Hebrew OT printed by Etienne in Paris between 1539 and 1544, complete with wide margins for notation, is sadly devoid of any markings. Moreover, the volumes which contain the most frequent notes by Smith were all acquired by him after 1611. In one way this is of course disappointing. But I think on reflection it establishes a second way in which he was akin to Tyndale. He had a true gift for and love of languages. His translation work was not just something he assumed for the duration of the project and then put aside on entering his bishopric. It is clear that he was a lifelong student.[/quote:cd99019ea4]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('985', '4810fe0a08', 'Miles Smith \'quote\' about Bancroft - bishoprick', '[color=darkblue:4810fe0a08]Hi Folks,[/color:4810fe0a08]

[quote:4810fe0a08=\"bibleprotector\"]Bobrick\'s source: Lupton, &quot;Not unto us&quot;, pages 80, 81...This scant information ...  when this autobiographical source material is presented in full[/quote:4810fe0a08] [color=darkblue:4810fe0a08]
So far, everything there is under a cloud.  Lots of quoting , little in the way of real references. (As to there really being an early source.) The next sources that I hope to check are the Lewis Lupton book, the Whiston book on Henry Jessey (he may actually be a \'quote\' source, quite invalid) and the Thomas Hill material, especially six sermons, which apparently mentions the translation bishoprick although it would not have the anecdotal story stuff.  Another possibility for research would be the same sources checked by Diana Evans.

If your library systems can be of help with good material, share away !

Shalom,
Steven[/color:4810fe0a08]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('986', '0d3e9420a6', 'Miles Smith / 1611 Marginal Notes', '[color=darkblue:0d3e9420a6]Hi Folks,[/color:0d3e9420a6]

[quote:0d3e9420a6=\"PeterAV\"]Here is a statement by Canon John Tiller,Chancellor of Herford Cathedral...[/quote:0d3e9420a6][color=darkblue:0d3e9420a6]
Right. Based on these writings I made one attempt to contact Canon John Tiller, and may try again.  Do we have any readers near Hereford ?  It is sort of between Oxford and Wales (I visited Swansea once, a Bible school). 

Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:0d3e9420a6]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('987', '4cb7540a57', 'Hereford Cathedral', 'I was just going to give you the URL for the Cathedral, but I see you are already there.
I also sent an email to the library there, just now.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('988', 'cf92dd9bc5', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'The inconsistency of the modern version position is the main reason why this position is one of disunity in the Body of Christ.

The best way to expose the modern versionists is to show them the inconsistency of their position. For example, they could be led through a series of questions: 
(1) Do you believe that God inspired His words perfectly and put them into original manuscripts perfectly? Almost every Christian will say yes to this.
(2) If God is the Almighty (eg Genesis 49:45), is He powerful enough to preserve His words perfectly throughout history? Psalm 12:6,7 promised that He would. 
(3) Where is His perfect word today? If they say in the many bibles or the original languages, then they are denying the power of God since we no longer have the originals and the more than 200 differing versions of the bible are contradictory. 
(4) Does God propagate error, lies or confusion? There are many articles, books etc that go through the error, lies and confusion of the modern versions. Since the Devil is the father of lies (John 8:44), then modern versions could not have come from God. For example, in Leviticus, the NIV puts a &quot;bat&quot; in the list of birds but the KJB rightly puts a &quot;bat&quot; in the list of fowls since a fowl is any winged creature (not just birds). There are many examples just like this. 
(5) What is your final authority? At the front of modern versions, they always say that they have not got it 100% and there is some doubt as to the translation of words. There is only one book on the planet Earth that has Christians everywhere saying consistently that it is the true, pure and perfect word of God - that book is the King James Bible. No modern versionist will point to their version and say that it is perfect. 

The inconsistency of the modern version position shows that it is not the godly position. Their position is that the words of God were somehow lost throughout history and we must forever be trying to arrive at a version that suits contemporary (ie. changing) tastes. This is an amazingly stupid and devilish position but blindness reigns amongst many people.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('989', '4bd45013d3', '', 'Bibleprotector,

If God preserved his word in the AV, there is no reason to use Greek or Hebrew. This is my point of view on this issue. I see no need to ever go to the G &amp; H for any reason whatsoever. I have a Greek NT right here on my bookshelf. I never use it. I also never use Strong\'s G &amp; H in the back. I have no need to do so if God\'s word was given to me in English, and it was. I have a 100% perfect copy of God\'s Word right here in my own language that I can read and understand, therefore I do not need any G &amp; H for any reason. 

Ninety-Nine percent of the folks that use G &amp; H can not even read either language, yet they are all going to a language they can not even read and using it to correct the AV. This is what is so funny. They will all say well the Greek says. I have handed a few my Greek N.T. and ask them to read it to me and tell me what it says, no one can ever can read it. At this point I tell them that you have no idea what the Greek says, you can not even read it. Why should I take the word of a man that tells me what the Greek says when he can not even read it. 

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('991', '9a5331b3fc', 'Printers from early 1800s desire standard pure edition', 'William Savage, in his Dictionary on the Art of Printing under the head of “Bible Orthography”, wrote, “Many religious works with numerous extracts from the Holy Scriptures without any reference tot he Book, Chapter, or Verse, and as they are frequently made from memory, they are generally inaccurate. I am clearly of opinion that wherever a quotation is made, it should be given literally as it appears in the work from which it is taken, otherwise it is worse that useless, — for it misleads. With regard to extracts from the Bible, I hold it indispensable that they should be given without the slightest variation for the original; but as many words in the Bible vary in their orthography from Johnson’s Dictionary, which is the book of reference generally in use, and as the authorized editions of the Scriptures differ in this respect from each other in many instances, I have collated the King’s Printers, the Oxford, the Cambridge, and the Edinburgh editions with Johnson’s Dictionary wand with each other, for the purpose of enabling the printer to preserve uniformity in orthography with little trouble to himself in reprints of the Bible, in extracts occurring in religious works, according a the author may prefer any of these editions.
These variations from each other do not extend to words but are confined to orthography, and to the difference of the same expression being given in one word, in two words, or in being made a compound word; thus in the Cambridge and the Edinburgh Bibles there are a great number of compound words,. while in the King’s Printers and Oxford Bibles the same words are given either joined together as one word or made into two words; and we find very few compound words, except in proper names. I have also given the Bible orthography where Johnson gives two ways of spelling a word. The result will be seen in the following Table; which also shows the variations, to a certain degree, that have taken place in the language during the last two hundred years.
The late Mr. Thomas Bensley, who was printer to the University of Oxford, told me, about the year 1805, that they had a sealed copy there, as a standard to read from; if this be the case, it is difficult to account for their copies of late years having numerous variations from the earlier editions. I would think it very desirable that there should a standard edition that we could refer to, as a pure text; and it would also be desirable to known on what authority these variations are made in the holy Scriptures, for every word, nay every capital letter, I believe, was carefully considered before it was adopted in the first edition of the authorized version in 1611, and this too by a considerable number of the most learned men of the kingdom, who had any direction of the work.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('992', 'ae4baf4712', '', '[quote:ae4baf4712]I am clearly of opinion that wherever a quotation is made, it should be given literally as it appears in the work from which it is taken, otherwise it is worse that useless, — for it misleads.[/quote:ae4baf4712]

Having a pure Bible and quoting/presenting it accurately go together.

[quote:ae4baf4712]With regard to extracts from the Bible, I hold it indispensable that they should be given without the slightest variation for the original;[/quote:ae4baf4712]

However, the author does not mean the 1611 edition. Clearly, in our day, the 1769 Edition is the basis of the last many decades of King James Bible printing. The solution is to have one standard edition, which is the PCE.

[quote:ae4baf4712]but as many words in the Bible vary in their orthography from Johnson’s Dictionary, which is the book of reference generally in use, and as the authorized editions of the Scriptures differ in this respect from each other in many instances[/quote:ae4baf4712]

The differences, while slight, may have major ramifications, e.g. &quot;Son of David&quot;, or &quot;Spirit&quot;, &quot;spirit&quot;, etc.

[quote:ae4baf4712]I have collated the King’s Printers, the Oxford, the Cambridge, and the Edinburgh editions with Johnson’s Dictionary wand with each other, for the purpose of enabling the printer to preserve uniformity in orthography with little trouble to himself in reprints of the Bible, in extracts occurring in religious works, according a the author may prefer any of these editions.[/quote:ae4baf4712]

We are not to &quot;pick and choose&quot;, though the researches and other studies into this issue (i.e. Scrivener) have brought about for the better and now perfect judgment in these issues.

[quote:ae4baf4712]The late Mr. Thomas Bensley, who was printer to the University of Oxford, told me, about the year 1805, that they had a sealed copy there, as a standard to read from; if this be the case, it is difficult to account for their copies of late years having numerous variations from the earlier editions. I would think it very desirable that there should a standard edition that we could refer to, as a pure text; and it would also be desirable to known on what authority these variations are made in the holy Scriptures, for every word, nay every capital letter, I believe, was carefully considered before it was adopted in the first edition of the authorized version in 1611, and this too by a considerable number of the most learned men of the kingdom, who had any direction of the work.[/quote:ae4baf4712]

It is evident that there are many problems with the 1611 edition, and that the 1629, 1638 and 1769 Editions made many many improvements. However, to have a standard edition today, sealed and true, called a &quot;PURE TEXT&quot; is certainly a worthy and true thing.

In 1841, there was a specific desire for [size=18:ae4baf4712][color=red:ae4baf4712][b:ae4baf4712]a standard edition that we could refer to, as a pure text[/b:ae4baf4712][/color:ae4baf4712][/size:ae4baf4712]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('993', '8e5f6c18e4', 'Synod of Dort - praises the King James Bible', '[color=darkblue:8e5f6c18e4]Hi Folks,

Going back to earlier in the thread, thanks, Matthew, for your excellent overview of the later \'Bancroft alterations\' accusation history.  Would you post it on the \'FinalAuthority\' forum thread, or allow me to do so ?  It really provided the fundamental base for looking into Thomas Hill,  Bancroft, the attempted new translation by Jessey, the English spiritual and political conflicts in the 1640s and 1650s and much more.  I\'ve simply built upon your base in my research.
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[quote:8e5f6c18e4=\"bibleprotector\"] That these accusations come from the 1650s is more about the Puritan anti-Bishop spin, and possible attack on the King James Bible, rather than emphasis on the contemporary situation. (The arch-Puritan report to the hyper-Calvinist Synod of Dort, 1618, was nothing but high praise for the King James Bible.)... Samuel Ward at the Synod of Dort in 1618&#8211;1619, quoted by Scrivener (in Latin)[/quote:8e5f6c18e4] [color=darkblue:8e5f6c18e4]
This reference is a very good find, since it gives a clear example of the thunderous silence about any supposed tampering or alteration accusation in the years after the King James Bible was completed, when many of the men involved were alive and well.  In a time of relative English harmony (pre-Laud) in an international doctrinally-charged Synod with solid Puritan representation (arch-Puritan may be an overstatement - trying to relate the English groupings with the Dutch Remonstrants and counter-Remonstrants can be a bit complex).

Here we have the translation of the text.[/color:8e5f6c18e4]

[color=darkred:8e5f6c18e4] http://bible.zoxt.net/pol/pollard.htm
Records of the English Bible 
The Documents Relating to the Translation and Publication of the Bible in English, 1525-1611 - Alfred W. Pollard (1911)

http://bible.zoxt.net/pol/_336.htm
Latin 

http://bible.zoxt.net/pol/_338.htm
Report on the Making of the Version of 1611 Presented to the Synod of Dort p. 338-339[/color:8e5f6c18e4]
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Notice the specific mentions of the roles of Miles Smith and Thomas Bilson.  The document was specifically applauding the administrative structure of the translation. 

The Synod included William Ames as an advisor, he was an English Puritan who had left England for Holland years earlier.  Also Gerson Bucerus (Dutch)  had very written strongly against the English episcopacy.  The English attendees were relatively moderate, including Samuel Ward, a moderate Puritan, and Joseph Hall, considered conciliatory to the Puritans. 

Thus any protestations about the Authorised Version would have been easy to put into the writing.  Especially with Miles Smith being promiinently named and thanked.  I have seen no such concerns. (It would be interesting to know if there are any other doucments from the Synod about the English Bible.)  Overall the early silence about supposed protestations about alterations is on the thunderous side.

Shalom,
Steven [/color:8e5f6c18e4]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('994', '3ce841befe', '', 'You can quote me on the &quot;FinalAuthority&quot; board. I have found that it is not worth posting where trolls are.

My descriptive language of Puritanism is an attempt to distance from hyper-Calvinism or rigid Presbyterianism. I quite like many things about moderate Puritanism, as well as non-Laudian Anglicanism. I think that good things have grown out of that.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('995', 'c7887f81d6', 'forum decorum', '[color=darkblue:c7887f81d6]Hi Folks,[/color:c7887f81d6]

[quote:c7887f81d6=\"bibleprotector\"]You can quote me on the &quot;FinalAuthority&quot; board. I have found that it is not worth posting where trolls are.[/quote:c7887f81d6] 
[color=darkblue:c7887f81d6]Thanks. Understood on the \'not worth posting\' and that is the principled position.  I have been moving more towards that view, seeing how much energy is wasted on forums with no discipline and where trolls have free reign, especially to post off-topic on every thread.

The  forum where this conversation is happenning I made a significant exception of sorts, told the moderators (ostensibly pro-KJB) that their forum is a mess and other conversations can wait till they have it under control, however I post anyway because it is the one forum available to dissect in discussion the whole Rick Norris probabalism mentality and approach on issues like \'strain at a gnat\' and this Bancroft 14 alterations.  I had noticed that he had gotten away with a lot of junque on a lot of forums (like referring to the alterations as a fact) and felt there needed to be a publicly-available refutation, plus I like the learning experience.

So in general, I agree with your principled position, and I am moving more and more in that direction.

Shalom,
Steven[/color:c7887f81d6]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('996', '350d357bfe', '', 'Here is another example of historical revisionism:

[url]http://books.google.com.au/books?id=TbCBKylN7RkC[/url]

[quote:350d357bfe]Ward Allen\'s Translating for King James: Notes Made by a Translator of King James\'s Bible is a fascinating look at how the best-selling book of all time took shape and sound. The recovery of thirty-nine amazingly legible pages of John Bois\'s private notes reveals how a committee of scholarly translators urged and argued, bickered and shouted into being the most glorious document in the history of the English language. Book jacket.[/quote:350d357bfe]

If you have a look at what Bois wrote, none of the wordings match the 1611/present edition of the KJB. So while it is interesting, it shows WORK IN PROGRESS.

Now to the really important point, &quot;Bois\'s private notes reveals how a committee of scholarly translators urged and argued, bickered and shouted&quot;... really, how can we interpret arguing, bickering, let alone, shouting from these notes?

There is only one quote which is given by Adam Nicolson, &quot;A.D. [Andrew Downes] sharply and violently exerted himself beyond measure for the interpretation of Augustine, that is, that TYPOI were understood as concerning figures and types of the people of old.&quot;

What Nicolson gives is a translation from Latin (and it is quite possible to twist the sense by translating literally, etc.) Moreover, to say that one &quot;sharply and violently exerted himself beyond measure&quot; may only be in terms of thought, not action. It makes it all the more sensational if Andrew Downes is thumping the table and domineering the discussion (exactly what Ward Allen’s blurb states). But this really is selective quotation, because after all, the six pages of the discussion on the google books site appears dry and boring! And what about the positive reference to Andrew Downes calling him a most subtle weigher of words?

What we really are seeing is the attempt to sully, demote and otherwise ridicule the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('997', 'fe8623c498', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '&quot;Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.&quot; (Matthew 22:15).

The Pharisees talked many times of the law and tradition but refused the true law and tradition. They went against the Truth-Maker Himself. Where does this put them? The fact is that today the new Pharisees have put their firm &quot;modern version&quot; laws in place within the modernist churches. These laws include:
(1) No-one should say that there is a pure and perfect Bible today. This is especially the case with the King James Bible.
(2) No-one should criticise the modern versions because then people\'s faith is criticised.
(3) Do not say that God preserved His word throughout history because we can never be sure of the wording of bibles.
(4) It is impossible to translate exactly from one language to another.
(5) God did not superintend the translation of the English Bible. To say this is exalting English unnecessarily.
(6) Avoid King James Bible only people because they are divisive and simple minded.
(7) King James Bible only doctrine is unscholarly. Today\'s scholars are far in advance of the King James Bible translators.

There are many more such Pharisee-type laws amongst the modern version scholars. This law has been imposed upon the Pentecostals by stealth and now through ridicule if any dare question their modern version position. However, the reality is that Traditional Pentecostals do have the true law (ie. the true Bible) and the true tradition (ie. holiness), so should resist any adherence to the modernist scholars and their false laws.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('998', '816a284755', 'Thomas Fuller - Anglorum Speculum', '[color=darkblue:816a284755]Hi Folks,

  Since this is one of the few forums that really understands and appreciates the history of the King James Bible political-cultural-spiritual environment, here is a tidbit that I put on the thread today. Thomas Fuller is very well respected for English history and wrote this about 1650, maybe a bit later - exactly during the ferment seeking a new translation.[/color:816a284755]
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Thomas Fuller &quot;Anglorum Speculum&quot;  published later in :

http://books.google.com/books?id=5eIDAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=PA199
&quot;The history of the worthies of England. Volume 2 &quot;

Richard Bancroft ... A great statesman he was, and grand champion of church discipline ... David speaketh of &quot; poison under men\'s lips.&quot; ... Many a libel (lie, because false; bell, because loud) was made upon him. -- The History of the Worthies of England (p. 199)[/color:816a284755]
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This pattern of deception from opponents of Bancroft mentioned by Fuller can be added to the long list of difficulties with the \'alterations\' story - in its various permutations and morph-ations.  (Now we have a variation that doesn\'t even involve Bancroft !)

Are any of us surprised that the opponents of the King James Bible, and historic revisionists, can try to embellish the truth a bit ?

Shalom,
Steven [/color:816a284755]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('999', '51d9ed00b2', '', 'Thomas Fuller\'s work on the history of the Church in England is quite good, and is able to be obtained through google books and at archive.org

He lists the translators of the KJB and Bancroft\'s rules, etc., which seem to be used by various people as an early (even primary) source for this info.

Fuller was an Anglican and did not agree with the Puritans during the Commonwealth. While Fuller has many good things to record, and is probably one of the best writers on Church history (along with Foxe), his history is not complete: for example, he praises Constantine and then jumps straight to Gildas, omitting the intervening years (the events which occurred after the death of Uther Pendragon, where the British Church was on the side of those who were against Rome.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1000', '4cca1bc4a4', 'Thomas Fuller on Miles Smith', '[color=darkblue:4cca1bc4a4]Hi Folks,

Note Thomas Fuller on Miles Smith.[/color:4cca1bc4a4][color=darkred:4cca1bc4a4]

http://books.google.com/books?id=5eIDAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=PA75
The History of the Worthies of England Vol II p. 75 - Thomas Fuller

A deep divine, great linguist, who had more than a single share in the last translation of the Bible, as hereby will appear : 1. More than forty grave divines were employed in several places on that work. 2. When it had passed their hands, it was revised by a dozen select ones. 3. This done, it was referred to the final examination of Bishop Bilston and Dr. Smith. 4. Doctor Smith at last was enjoined to make the preface to the translation, as a comely gate to a glorious city, which remains under his own hand in the University library in Oxford. Yet was he never heard to speak of the work with any attribution to himself more than the rest.  [/color:4cca1bc4a4]
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Bilston seems to be an occasional alternative spelling to Bilson.

Notice that Fuller talks specifically about Miles Smith talking about the King James Bible translation.  Fuller emphasizes the modesty of Smith and gives zilch intimation of any protest or complaint about the translation process whatsoever.  This compliments the other Fuller reference of libel against Bancroft as 1600s historical evidence from both silence and voice that supports the Samuel Newth view of \'rumours\'.  Along with the  historical backdrop as explained by Matthew.  Along with the Synod of Dort.  And various other silences.

Hopefully we will learn more firsthand from the writings and sermons of Miles Smith in the future.  We know that nobody has referenced anything with a specific reference from those materials, and there is likely to be able to shed more light.

Shalom,
Steven [/color:4cca1bc4a4]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1001', '06d4ef8d7e', 'Thomas Fuller - translator list', '[color=darkblue:06d4ef8d7e]Hi Folks,[/color:06d4ef8d7e]

[quote:06d4ef8d7e=\"bibleprotector\"]Thomas Fuller\'s work on the history of the Church in England is quite good, and is able to be obtained through google books and at archive.org He lists the translators of the KJB and Bancroft\'s rules, etc., which seem to be used by various people as an early (even primary) source for this info. [/quote:06d4ef8d7e] [color=darkblue:06d4ef8d7e]Thanks.

Here are links.[/color:06d4ef8d7e][color=darkred:06d4ef8d7e]

http://www.archive.org/stream/churchhistoryofb03full (Flipbook p. 227)
http://books.google.com/books?id=9-nvz0eB5MwC&amp;pg=PA227
The Church History of Britain, from the Birth of Jesus Christ Until the Year 1648 Vol 3 - Thomas Fuller 
1. The Names, Places, and several Employments of the Translators of the Bible. 
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Shalom,
Steven [/color:06d4ef8d7e]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1002', 'f29fcbfac1', 'Miles Smith - translating while reading for sermon', '[color=darkblue:f29fcbfac1]Hi Folks,

A nice little story about Miles Smith.[/color:f29fcbfac1]
[color=darkred:f29fcbfac1]
http://www.tyndale.org/TSJ/11/tiller.html
In the Steps of William Tyndale: Miles Smith as Bible Translator

Smith gained a widespread reputation for his knowledge of ancient languages. Wood reported that ‘Chaldaic, Syriac and Arabic were as familiar to him as his own native tongue’. The author of the biographical preface to his published sermons (1632) enlarged on his skill in the Biblical languages, and illustrated this with the story of what happened at evensong one day in Hereford Cathedral:

    Being requested by the dean of the same church to read the first lesson, he yielded thereunto, and having with him a little Hebrew Bible, he delivered the chapter from it in the English tongue plainly and fully to that learned and judicious auditory.[/color:f29fcbfac1][color=darkblue:f29fcbfac1]

Would many of our lexicon scholars today have the comfort, skill and familiarity with the Bible languages ?  (Without a big pause and think on each phrase.) On top of general skill and familiarity and fluency men like Miles Smith also knew the sense and versatility of the Hebrew of the Rabbinics. 

Miles Smith 1632 book with sermons does have some library availability, per Worldcat, in my case there is a bit of a distance involved to a university that has it it on microfilm.  Although it may be on EEBO  (Early English Books Online).  Which may have closer University availability, perhaps through ProQuest, the setup is a bit confusing :-) .

Shalom,
Steven[/color:f29fcbfac1]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1003', 'e801176638', 'holdfast blog', '[color=darkblue:e801176638]Hi Folks,

  After I noted and posted this Miles Smith scholarship history, I bumped into a blog, Holdfast, that made a similar notation about the event (note that this was also an unpointed Hebrew Bible) :[/color:e801176638]
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http://the-holdfast.blogspot.com/2005/08/scholarship-of-av-translators.html
the scholarship of the AV translators[/color:e801176638]

[color=darkblue:e801176638]  And also in another interesting entry.[/color:e801176638]
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http://the-holdfast.blogspot.com/2008/06/translation-and-ministry-of-word.html
Translation and the ministry of the word[/color:e801176638]

[color=darkblue:e801176638]  He also has two blog entries on John Bois:[/color:e801176638]
[color=darkred:e801176638]
http://the-holdfast.blogspot.com/2005/10/john-bois-and-translation-of-av.html
John Bois and the translation of the AV

http://the-holdfast.blogspot.com/2006/04/translating-av-john-bois-notes.html
Translating the AV: John Bois\' Notes[/color:e801176638][color=darkblue:e801176638]

Shalom,
Steven[/color:e801176638]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1004', 'f1db69b91c', 'John Bois- \'last of all\' &amp; Samuel Ward- 1629 &amp; 1638', '[color=darkblue:f1db69b91c]Hi Folks,

Returning to the actual histories and the revisionisms.

Anthony Walker\'s bio of John Bois, in the midst of a fair amount of detail, takes the clear position that the final editors were Miles Smith and Thomas Bilson,[/color:f1db69b91c]
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&quot;at the end whereof the whole work being finished, and three copies of the whole Bible sent from Cambridge, Oxford, and Westminster to London, a new choice was to be made of six in all, two out of every company, to review the whole work, and extract one copy out of all these to be committed to the press, for the dispatch of which business Mr. Downes and Mr. Bois were sent for up to London, where, meeting their four fellow-labourers, they went daily to Stationers\' Hall, and in three-quarters of a year fulfilled their task, all which time they had from the Company of Stationers thirty shillings each per week duly paid them, though they had nothing before but the self-rewarding, ingenious industry. Last of all Bilson, Bishop of Winchester, and Dr. Miles Smith, again reviewed the whole work, and prefixed arguments to the several books.&quot; [/color:f1db69b91c]
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This is quoted in a number of books, including Samuel Newth, of &quot;rumours&quot; fame, who seems to have done quite extensive research.  And the quote above is possibly the most complete exposition of the \'final touches\'.  With another thunderous silence about supposed post-editing alterations.  

The Anthony Walker bio material appears in full in the Ward Allen book was originally published in Peck\'s Desiderata Curiosa in the 1730s.  John Bois died in 1643 so the date of writing would likely be the 1640s, likely in the early days of \'rumours\' leading to the later public accusations. With the first-hand information received from John Bois around 1640, Walker would have been 22 in that year.  Thus this counts as yet another very solid primary source evidence against the tampering accusations.

Some other points to be added.  John Bois and Samuel Ward were both KJB translators, Ward being especially well-known as a moderate Puritan.  His sermons and diary should be an interesting read, and may help with the histories. 

John Bois and Samuel Ward were involved in the updates and purification of the King James Bible, likely both in 1629 and 1638.  I have not read of other original translators involved in those updates, this would make these two men even more in focus on the translation history issues.  They would be especially aware of any translation and editing concerns.

In the discussion of the Synod of Dort above I had not mentioned that Samuel Ward was a KJB translator.

Shalom,
Steven[/color:f1db69b91c]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1005', 'aa362f35ff', '', 'It is not certain who was involved with the editing of the 1629 Cambridge work.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1006', 'eb3638073b', 'early references - no alteration accusation found', '[color=darkblue:eb3638073b]Hi Folks,[/color:eb3638073b]

[quote:eb3638073b=\"bibleprotector\"]It is not certain who was involved with the editing of the 1629 Cambridge work.[/quote:eb3638073b][color=darkblue:eb3638073b]
Thanks for the correction.  I see that John Bois and Samuel Ward are the two direct translator links from 1611 to 1638.

Reviewing the major silences before the 1650 period. Understanding that reviews of writings may help either side of the discussion.
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Miles Smith - very positive Preface

John Bois - translator - biography by Anthony Walker: 
&quot;Last of all Bilson, Bishop of Winchester, and Dr. Miles Smith, again reviewed the whole work&quot;

Synod of Dort - positive report of translation methodology by translator Samuel Ward, many Puritan sympathies at Dort -
&quot;Lastly the very Reverend the Bishop of Winchester Bilson, together with Dr. Smith, now Bishop of Gloucester ... put the finishing touch to this version&quot;.

Thomas Fuller - The Church History of Britain
&quot;the final examination of Bishop Bilston and Dr. Smith&quot;

Note that these can be considered three distinct early and independent sources all describing the finish of the translation process.

Miles Smith - Sermons

Samuel Ward - Sermons and Diary and correspondence

  (more research pending on these two items)

Thomas Fuller - talks of Miles Smith speaking of translation :
&quot;Doctor Smith at last was enjoined to make the preface to the translation, as a comely gate to a glorious city, which remains under his own hand in the University library in Oxford. Yet was he never heard to speak of the work with any attribution to himself more than the rest.&quot;

Thomas Fuller speaks of libels against Bancroft 
Richard Bancroft ... Many a libel (lie, because false; bell, because loud) was made upon him. -- The History of the Worthies of England 

Translation updates - especially 1638 - Samuel Ward and John Bois, original translators.  Also Thomas Goad and Joseph Mede, Puritan.

Miscellaneous writings and notes that could easily have mentioned accusations or concerns in some manner, positive, negative or incidental (e.g. Lancelot Andrewes, Bancroft, Anthony Wood, John Selden) 

Also of interest.
Richard Brett\'s Latin writings
Joseph Mede\'s writings

Authorised Version usage by Oliver Cromwell

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Clearly, this is only one aspect of the discussion, however this is a good forum to place the information-to-date cohesively.  

On the flip-side a central research question is where does the \'potent quote\' and the report in many authors that Miles Smith spoke about this to many comes from.  This is really the heart of the research preplexity.  First place to check, Whiston.  Can this really be sourced to some early first-person accounts ?  Or is an example of historical journalism run amuck ?

Shalom,
Steven [/color:eb3638073b]');
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TRUTH REQUIRES TRUE SPEAKING

When coming against false doctrines and presenting the truth, there is one major idea which must be kept in mind: do not treat enemies or wrong ideas deceptively. If a person is to stand for the truth, they must speak according to the truth.

If we are to confront errors like Romanism and other cults, or defend the King James Bible against those who attack it, we should not be the one maying false arguments, or resorting to excessive name calling or mere mockery.

Purposely setting out to distort or desiring to present things in an exaggerated way is not going to help the cause of truth: “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” (Isaiah 8:20).

If we are knowledgeable, then our witness and effectiveness in speaking will be good: “Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.” (Acts 13:42).

A normal Christian may not be an expert on creationism or on textual criticism. We cannot expect that it is everyone’s calling to have in depth knowledge in all areas. However, it would not be right to discount someone or their view just because they are not able to explain/defend every area of it. If they are wrong or in error, there is a way to bring people who are sincere into truth without having to deride them for their mistakes.

A certain evangelist has spoken publicly about why he supports the King James Bible. Then another man, professing to be a Christian apologist, has come along, and has mocked and attempted to pull down King James Bible onlyism because of the various factual errors contained in the evangelist’s presentation. If any belief is judged by the knowledge level of certain individuals, this becomes a flawed argument. (e.g. the IRA were terrorists, therefore all Irishmen were evil.) This apologist basically argued that King James Bible only is wrong because the vast majority of King James Bible advocates do not know about textual criticism.

(He also complains that most King James Bible Christians will not really discuss issues concerning the original languages, as though this is a basis to the Bible version issue — it is not. The basis of the issue is to believe whether or not the Word of God as we have it in our language now is entirely true or not. This has nothing to do with the original languages.)

The King James Bible movement is accused of being based on “circular argumentation”. But this is not wrong. God is God because He is God. That is circular. Likewise, if the KJB really is true in what it says about itself, then it really is a self-authenticating book. So far, no one has been able to prove that using the King James Bible only is wrong by quoting the King James Bible against them/any belief.

“But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear” (1 Peter 3:15).

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1008', '61db9020cc', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', 'Forgiveness is essential for walking in health and wholeness. To forgive means to pardon, remit, cease to resent. 

Unforgiveness is a spiritual barrier to receiving healing, because it is a sin. It allows a root of bitterness to develop within the heart, which eventually will destroy the good work of God in our lives, because it pushes the individual away from the Word, the source of truth and blessing. 

&quot;Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble [i:61db9020cc]you[/i:61db9020cc], and thereby many be defiled...&quot; (Hebrews 12:15).

If you are finding it difficult to forgive someone, ask God for help. Release any hurt to God and forgive them by faith. Keep your heart guarded, and trust God for protection and guidance when dealing with people. Examination of our heart is an ongoing process, so that we can stand before God without our heart condemning us and receive healing from God with no hindrances.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1009', '917787335f', 'What the Bible says about the unborn child', 'God has spoken of people who were yet to be born. There were several prophecies given of Isaac\'s birth, when in the natural realm, his birth seemed like an impossibility given that Abraham and Sarah were both aged people. Nevertheless, God had His plan, and when He has a plan what He wants is for people to put themselves in agreement with Him, to see His will done. When Sarah laughed at the prophecy of Isaac\'s birth, the Lord said,

&quot;And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old? Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.&quot; (Genesis 18:13, 14).

God had a great plan, He was establishing the lineage of the Children of Israel. Thankfully, Abraham and Sarah were both people of great faith and God used them to accomplish His purpose.

&quot;Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, [i:917787335f]so many [/i:917787335f]as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.&quot; (Hebrews 11:11, 12).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1010', '2d19ff3689', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'The Traditional Pentecostal will love the Bible, which is the Word of God. Such Christians will love its purity. &quot;Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.&quot; (Psalm 119:140). Thus, they will recognise that the varying, error-filled modern versions could not be something to love.

Note what Smith Wigglesworth said in the following: &quot;Beloved it won\'t do. We must have something better than sand, and everything is sand except the Word. There isn\'t anything that will remain - we are told the heaven and earth will be melted up as a scroll as fervent heat. But we are told the Word of God shall be forever, and not one jot or tittle of the Word of God shall fail. And if there is anything that is satisfying to me today more that another, it is, \'... thy word is settled in heaven\' (Psalm 119:89). And another Word in the 138th Psalm says, \'... thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name\' (v. 2). The very establishment for me is the Word of God. It is not on any other line.&quot; (&quot;Faith&quot;, August 2, 1922).

These are the words of a preacher who loved the King James Bible and thought of it as pure.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1011', 'f804f5b8e4', 'Video clips', 'If anyone can link to these clips or put themselves down as a friend/subscriber on YouTube, this will help to get out the message of the proper edition of the King James Bible.

http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1012', 'bc6aaf230b', 'early references - John Gell', '[color=darkblue:bc6aaf230b]Hi Folks,[/color:bc6aaf230b]

[quote:bc6aaf230b=\"praxean\"]Thomas Fuller - The Church History of Britain
&quot;the final examination of Bishop Bilston and Dr. Smith&quot; [/quote:bc6aaf230b][color=darkblue:bc6aaf230b]
Correction: This was his book &quot;Worthies&quot; (in the section on Miles Smith).  Reading a bit more about Thomas Fuller was interesting too, there is a book on his life.

For those interested, I put a longer version of the three translation methodology summaries on the FinalAuthority thread.  Afaik those are the only three that have both the methodology and the final touches.  Please feel free to add any additional early sources, even if they do not go as far as final touches.

Another interesting read would be Robert Gell.  Very much a King James Bible critic, with an 800-page book in 1659 with &quot;An Essay Toward the Amendment...&quot;.  Although his doctrinal approach was different, the reports of his years, the clamor with the Parliament Bill, should have been of interest to him.  And if he just ignored the accusation reports that would be another silence even in the period of the \'rumours\'. Or there could be some hints and remarks from Robert Gell that are of interest to this study.  His book is on microfilm in some Universities, not the easiest to find.  Gell (1595-1666) by one report had been chaplain to Archbishop Abbott, at that time he would be about 30-35 years of age.  So he would definitely be \'in the mix\' of the circles in the 1620s when any discussion of the translation would have been much fresher than in 1650.  

I think one of the more interesting parts of the FinalAuthority discussion was how it was presumed, for convenience to accuse, that Gustavus Paine must have had additional early sources, even while his writing on a few points was almost identical to that of Alexander McClure !  (So .. did McClure have those same missing, invisible sources ?).  This is a fascinating case where you can really try to do a \'literary analysis\' looking for who or what is the primary source. 

Does it all start with Whiston/Jessey or even a later writer and then take off from there?  That would be truly amazing. (\'That\' being especially the accounts of Miles Smith, actually \'quoted\' by many.)  The Whiston book is listed in two University libraries not too far away, however it is a dedicated time and trip to go to see the text, and maybe a bureaucracy.  One of the Universities may also have Thomas Hill, so that would be a double-study.

Shalom,
Steven[/color:bc6aaf230b]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1013', 'c32ceecee3', '', 'Robert Gell\'s view was that translation should not be of the SENSE but literally word for word. This would never be perfect, and would be wrong in many places.

This method would, among other things, lead to an error in &quot;translating&quot;, like Genesis 1:5 having &quot;expansion&quot; instead of the correct word (and sense) &quot;firmament&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1014', 'c046448e5b', 'Magog gets false Pentecostalism', 'With Australian so-called Pentecostal Church “Hillsong” now with assemblies in Kiev and Moscow, we might speculate what contribution they are making spiritually to the nations which are to one day soon conquer half the world, and attempt to rob Israel.

&quot;I\'m actually very positive about their music, their attraction of young people, and I pay Pastor Brian Houston credit for recognising that to link a belief in Jesus to financial gain was a distortion of the gospel,&quot; Tim Costello said.

“Houston, author of You Need More Money, says this is not about greed but personal effectiveness.”
Source: The Age, July 6, 2005

The true prosperity doctrine is all about gaining from Christ. Jesus expressly stated, “I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich” (Revelation 3:18a). To deny this prosperity message is to teach a false prosperity. Christ commanded zealousness, which is to say, a greediness for Him and His provision.

If Christ is not the centre, source and supply of prosperity, then what kind of message is being preached in Russia?

“And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.” (Ezekiel 38:11, 12).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1015', 'b792767091', '', 'Daniel 8

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

The increase of false Pentecostalism is going toward great transgression, i.e. full breaking of God\'s Word.

It is also not coincidence that false Pentecostalism has become increasingly minded toward &quot;influence&quot; in politics.

Therefore, it is important to stand for the very truth, and to promote right things, regardless of how much they are against them:
1. True Pentecostal doctrine with the pure Bible as the basis
2. The increase of one true doctrine
3. The raising of a Biblical culture and Biblical Christian nationalism to the point of a single national Church, etc.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1016', 'be76e5ad49', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'Like Kenneth Hagin, others amongst the modern Pentecostals have noticed problems with modernism in their churches. Dr Charles V Taylor, linguist and author, wrote a book entitled &quot;Bibles with holes&quot;, which, although inaccurate in its final analysis, did touch on problems with modern versions - strangely (or perhaps not so) is the fact that this book can hardly be found at all now, even second hand.

Dr Taylor wrote of the modernist problem of a low emphasis on preaching in an article called &quot;Tradition&quot; in the Australian Assembly of God &quot;Evangel&quot; magazine dated August 1994: &quot;Many Pentecostals rightly rejoice in Acts 2:4. But how many of us rejoice as much in Acts 2:42? If we are to [i:be76e5ad49]continue [/i:be76e5ad49]in the faith as true Christians, our churches must hold to the traditions set out in Scripture. ... it\'s foolish to omit the \'tradition\' of preaching just because we live in the late twentieth century. [i:be76e5ad49]God\'s Word stands for all time, and we are not to lose our roots[/i:be76e5ad49], but to continue in the traditions handed down through the scriptures.&quot;

Indeed, Dr Taylor saw a problem that has only worsened in the last decade but he did not go far enough. The warning is for there to be a return to the old paths with the old Bible. &quot;Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.&quot; (Jeremiah 6:16).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1017', 'a134aff2d8', 'Robert Gell - John Welden', '[color=darkblue:a134aff2d8]Hi Folks,

Thanks, Matthew.  

Gell\'s ideas appear to be generally discardable, my reference had more to do with to what extent he affirms or denies the \'14 alterations\' allegation.  My sense so far, from the very limited web material, is that he is sort of neutral.  Gell is quoted with a comment about Bancroft having a temper and of truth being outvoted.  That would indicate that Gell passed by the issue in a cursory manner and really did not discuss or reference the accusations that Miles Smith said this and that or that there was post-editing manipulation (the key pizazz issues that the accuser-by-proxy Norris  has spun around).  While he was concerned with prelatical translation. Mostly Gell just wanted to criticize what he consider the Calvinist translations to allow for his doctrines of the sinlessness of man or change the translation or retranslate in other technical ways like you mention. 

Another name popped up in one source. Church, Monarch and Bible in Sixteenth Century England by Roland Worth says that John Welden  (1584-1684) gave a brief but useful description of the translation process.  The footnote will need a special library trip, and the name is curious, as Anthony Weldon is well-known and John Welden is not.

Maybe you can help with other question as well.

Is the reference to the rules from the &quot;pen of Bishop Bancroft&quot; a reference to Thomas Fuller or another more direct source ?   This also came from Worth. Is it accurate ?

These two research questions go hand-in-hand with the lists of three above - John Bois through Anthony Walker, Synod of Dort and Thomas Fuller.

Shalom,
Steven[/color:a134aff2d8]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1018', 'a733e8f621', 'Was the KJ Bible made by inspiration? and other questions', '[b:a733e8f621]Was the King James Bible given by inspiration of God?[/b:a733e8f621]

No. Inspiration of the Scripture happened only once for each word, and it happened when the Scripture was first written. The King James Bible was not in any way made by inspiration. However, the translators were handling the inspired Word of God, and have brought it perfectly into English.

[b:a733e8f621]Is the King James Bible superior to any Greek and Hebrew text, including the Greek and Hebrew texts from which the King James Bible was translated?[/b:a733e8f621]

The King James Bible is not superior to the Autographs in content, but is superior to any present copy individual (whether in written form or in gathered printed form) in the original languages.

Perfection in the original languages cannot be found in any present copies, because they all are partial and/or contain scribal errors, etc. Therefore, no single manuscript in the original languages today is perfect.

The King James Bible is superior to the mass of original language evidence, in that:
1. The King James Bible gathers from the original languages one correct text that is presented scattered throughout its witness
2. The King James Bible gives an accurate sense for sense translation in completely certain English words, whereas knowledge of the exact meaning of every last word in the original languages is not certain
3. The King James Bible is in a language many people understand, whereas the original languages are understood by only a few
4. The King James Bibles gives the whole Bible perfectly in one book, whereas there is no perfect entire Bible in Bible Hebrew or in Bible Greek (in fact, the King James Bible is superior to any present Bible)

Moreover, the King James Bible is superior to the Autographs, though not in content, for there it is equal, but in other things, such as:
1. The King James Bible is present, whereas the Autographs are lost
2. The King James Bible has gone into all the world, whereas the Autographs were limited
3. The King James Bible in is the global language of the last days, whereas the Autographs are not
4. The King James Bible has all the books of the Bible gathered into one book, whereas the Autographs were not

[b:a733e8f621]Does the King James Bible correct the Greek and Hebrew, including the Textus Receptus?[/b:a733e8f621]

The King James Bible gives the certain and correct text, which is equal that which was in the Autographs, and which is an independent variety of the Textus Receptus, and is the final form of the Received Text.

The King James Bible also gives a correct translation and reveals the correct meaning, by the providence of God, to any word where they may be uncertainty, dispute, etc. as concerning the so called original reading, supposed meaning or any other falsely declared alternate.

[b:a733e8f621]Does the King James Bible contain advanced revelation?[/b:a733e8f621]

There is no reading or sense that is any different to the autographs is presented in the King James Bible, however the giving of the Scripture in its King James Bible form, which is supersuccessionary to all previous presentations of the Scripture, including being exemplar champion and natural heir of the Autographs themselves, by God’s providential use of godly men to make a holistic view, weighing, gathering and judging what should be Scripture by God’s purposes, so that the truth would stand.

The circumstance, viz., the increase of knowledge and travel, of the King James Bible is manifest, for its most clear rendering, manifestation and settling of all obscurity, uncertainty and otherwise perplexity, to make known in one single form to all the world at the last, in all manner, whether by the advents of identification of the perfection of Scripture and the King James Bible purity doctrine in particular; the advance of Christian knowledge and accruing doctrinal progress; the standardisation and globalisation of the English tongue; the rise of national vessels backing the Scripture and made by it (to the excelling glory of the name of God and his favour in the latter days); the fittingness and uniformity possible by printing and electronic communications, and related devices of division of chapter and verse, particularity of lettering, clarity of typography, accuracy in presentation, as well as fitting forms of worldwide and global dissemination without the loss of quality at low cost, to the excellence of having one pure edition made standard for all; and that the outworking of Scripture itself and God’s design and providence should clear, whereby the ends of the earth do hear, Gentiles praise Him and the conversion of Israel undertaken, as well the confounding of the historical Roman antichrist and fearful consuming upon enemies, and of the perplexity and out-casting of foes, false brethren, wolves and other despisers of His Word, may with all due pomp, glory, excellence, exaltation, fear, honour and any other good virtue make the light of the Gospel more and more known, this (and the results of it) may be counted for “advanced revelation” — but there is no advance, not one Word, letter, sense or sign of anything in Scripture which is added to it (or taken from it) that was already there, fully and wholly intended by God, whether at the beginning or during the inspiration, or at any point in history to Him, that is not now different: there is no advanced revelation of Scripture, as though God inspired it again, or continually inspired it; or breathed one Word more of Scripture. Rather, advanced revelation has occurred in what the Holy Ghost has brought about around, about, through and from Scripture, in the hearts of believers, in their witness, as well as in the world under His superintendence, so that it might please God that the advanced Church might advance to reach the world in such a measure that was never possible before.

[b:a733e8f621]Is absolute truth is English truth?[/b:a733e8f621]

On Earth, absolute truth is now, and will be to the end of time, English truth. However, this is because God has providentially made it so. Whereas in Heaven, and to God who knows all languages (and to Whom nothing is hid), English but His providentially appointed tongue for His people in the latter days and (afterward) the Millennial Kingdom.

[b:a733e8f621]Where was the Word of God before 1611?[/b:a733e8f621]

The Word of God has existed in many forms since the making of the Autographs, besides being written in Heaven at the beginning, and known to God eternally. The Scripture was in many original language copies, in many translations, and the truth, the purity, the perfection, was present, though scattered. Nevertheless, the Word of God has lasted to this very day in many forms, and many be even be found in part in many corrupted versions.

The point is that one book should be held by the Church in the world as supreme above others, one exact truth, as directed by God’s providence, raised by godly tradition, put into place by God’s workmen, so that the world may hear and obey one truth.

“But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith” (Romans 16:26).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1019', '30003bb756', '', 'Fuller seems to be the main source for Bancroft\'s rules and the list of translators.

The problem with Gell\'s view is that he was a generation removed and linked up with all the Puritan hopeful revisionists. It seems that &quot;revision&quot; became a more fractured individual endeavour (every man following his own whims), and even though committees and sub-committees looked (somewhat) into the revision issue, nothing of any real progress was ever made, and was providentially defeated by circumstances anyway.

The whole Puritan revision idea is actually based on over-reactionism. There is no broad based or common demand for a revision. The whole thing was really the product of a few intellectual Puritans on the fringes — the involvement of bishops suddenly becomes a bad thing, etc. Somehow facts are twisted, and in time, evil intentions are ascribed to the “crypto-papists” who enshrined error into the English Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1020', '3e1d8eff56', 'e-Sword Bible Software', 'www.e-sword.net

Online and also downloadable Bible software program &quot;e-Sword&quot; now has a Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible module available for it, compiled by Ben Krueger.

Module here: [url]www.bibleprotector.com/KJB-PCE_e-sword.zip[/url]

More information (you may need to become a member of this e-sword fan group to read posts there): [url]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSword/[/url]

File location there: [url]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSword/files/Unmoderated%20e-Sword%20Content/[/url]

[size=18:3e1d8eff56][color=darkred:3e1d8eff56]PLEASE NOTE THIS MODULE MAY CONTAIN PROGRAMMING FLAWS[/color:3e1d8eff56][/size:3e1d8eff56]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1021', '873e0def8a', '', 'A plain text file of the King James Bible with ASCII style formatting is here:

www.bibleprotector.com/TEXT-PCE.zip');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1022', '289a3e8451', 'Henry John Todd - Memoirs of Brian Walton', '[color=darkblue:289a3e8451]Hi Folks,[/color:289a3e8451]

[quote:289a3e8451=\"bibleprotector\"] The Cromwellian Parliament once again set up another sub-committee chaired by Bulstrode Whitelocke to investigate the possibility of a revision to the King James Bible, &quot;that it be referred to a committee to send for and advise with Dr Walton, Dr Cudworth and others...[/quote:289a3e8451][color=darkblue:289a3e8451] 
Interestingly, some of the strongest pro-translator writing, emphasizing the high scholarship levels of the times and men is in :[/color:289a3e8451]
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&quot;Memoirs of the Life and Writings of the Right Rev. Brian Walton, D.D., Lord Bishop of Chester,  Editor of the London Polyglot Bible, with Notice of is Coadjustors in that Illustrious Work, of the Cultivation of Oriental Learning, in This Country, Preceding and During Their Time: and of the Authorized English Version of the Bible, to a Projected Revision of which Dr. Walton and some of his Assistants in the Polyglot were Appointed Vol I &quot; by Henry John Todd in 1821.  [/color:289a3e8451]
[color=darkblue:289a3e8451]
Available in Google books. 
[url]http://books.google.com/books?id=PMEGAAAAYAAJ[/url]

Some excellent stuff right at the beginning, page 101 begins a special section on the translator skills and background in that age. Which includes an interesting emphasis how the top scholars around 1650, when there were still many highly skilled scholars like Walton and Lightfoot and Pocock, owed their skills to the same institutions and emphasis on learning that had led to the Authorised Bible, even being direct student descendants.

I believe it is safe to say that the century starting from around 1550 was the strongest Biblical language understanding century in any time and place.  Later scholarship becomes fractured, buffetted by unbelief, reliant on dubious theories, and mixed with other interests like publish or perish and employers trying to be sure of copyright, and reliance on technology rather than reading and speaking and studying.  That was the era that wasn\'t just about arcane theories and a Journal article here and there and weird \'criticisms\', this was an error when the scholars lived and breathed and felt the loved the Bible texts and languages.

This book by Todd does not seem to be quoted much, very possibly Alexander McClure used this (I have not compared) and we may want to have excerpts easily available.

Here is a sample at the beginning, where Todd speaks very well about some dubious efforts in his time for \'Revision\'. [/color:289a3e8451]
[color=darkred:289a3e8451]
&quot;the writer of the Letter proceeds to inform the Primate of all England, that he is supported in his opinion of the necessity of a revision, if not of a \' new translation, of our Bible, by the testimonies of Lowth, Newcome, and others ; whose attempts in favour of their opinion, I must add, have been duly weighed in the balances of sound criticism, and been found wanting; and are therefore now noticed, in order to render more clear the services of our old translators, which, with the best intention, these modern translators expected (but in vain) to rival.&quot; p xii-xiii[/color:289a3e8451]
[color=darkblue:289a3e8451]
You can see the discussion of the Parliament bill begins on p. 89.  On p. 91 you have Todd explaining, and then Walton (the biggest carper was Hugh Broughton, nicely dismissed), then Todd again interspersed with a Walton quote, then on to Pocock with a very powerful comment. [/color:289a3e8451]

[color=darkred:289a3e8451]Brian Walton .. was convinced of no mistake in the Translation sufficient to alter his opinion of its excellence ; for he afterwards delivered the following judgment of its remarkable fidelity.

\'The last English Translation, made by divers learned men at the command of King James, though it may justly contend with any now extant in any other language in Europe, was yet carped and cavilled at by divers among ourselves ; especially by \' one, who being passed by, and not employed in the work, as one, though skilled in the Hebrew, yet of little or no judgment in that or any kind of learning, was so highly offended that he would needs undertake to shew [i:289a3e8451]how many thousand places they had falsely rendered,  when as he could hardly make good his undertaking in any one !\'  [/i:289a3e8451]

This judgment was delivered at a time, when [i:289a3e8451]\'the nation,[/i:289a3e8451] Dr. Walton  himself has told us, [i:289a3e8451]had more men of eminent skill in languages than ever heretofore.\'[/i:289a3e8451]  

... Pocock, the prince, as it were, of Oriental learning, has thus subscribed to their decision : &quot;That Translation of our own, which we follow, is such and so agreeable to the Original,, as that we might well choose among others to follow it, were it not our own, and established  by authority among us. &quot; 
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On p. 93 Todd scorches Robert Gell, noting (I sort-of remember seeing a strange Gell book when looking at Worldcat and going hmmm) that he spoke before the learned Societie of Astrologers in his original criticism.  And explaining his preference for the LXX over the Masoretic Text. Overall Todd calls this type of attack by Gell as about &quot;an old objection or two of the Puritans, with a few idle additions&quot;.

About such objections, Todd summarizes.[/color:289a3e8451]
[color=darkred:289a3e8451]
&quot;..neither Dr. Walton, nor any of his learned compeers, considered them deserving of the least notice. It was sufficient for them to have expressed their own confidence, and so to encourage the confidence of others, in a Version which had been made by men eminently qualified for the task, and at a time when Oriental learning signally flourished in this kingdom &quot; p. 94[/color:289a3e8451]
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Then Todd goes into much more the specifics of the expertise, even in the century before the translation, and more so by the time of King James. A lot of interesting material in pages 101-134.[/color:289a3e8451]

[color=darkblue:289a3e8451]Shalom,
Steven [/color:289a3e8451]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1023', '6c16ec0a6a', '', 'John Owen and Brian Walton (some related background).

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=eHQAAAAAMAAJ&amp;source=gbs_summary_s&amp;cad=0

Especially from page 447 onward:

* the authority of Scripture was in the original languages, and in translations (in as much as they kept to the original),
* that 1 John 5:7 is true,
* that the Vatican copy is corrupt,
* that a massive amount of “variant readings” as presented in polyglots etc., are (perhaps) designed to question the faith of transmission in the Scripture; that such variants are often from a few or even single corrupt manuscripts, scoured for every minor deviation, etc.
* that vowel pointings on Hebrew letters may date back to Ezra

&quot;The sum of what I am pleading for, as to the particular head to be vindicated, is, that as the Scripture of the Old and New Testament, were immoderately, and entirely given out by God himself, his mind being in them represented unto us, without the least interveniency of such mediums and was as were capable of giving change or alteration to the least iota or syllable; so by his good and merciful dispensation, in his love to his word and church, his whole word as first given out by him, is preserved unto us entire in the original languages; where, shining in its own beauty and lustre (as also in all translations, so far as they faithfully represent the originals), it manifests and evidences unto the consciences of men, without other foreign help or assistance, its divine original and authority.&quot; (page 452).

&quot;We add that the whole Scripture entire, as given out from God, without any lost, is preserved in the copies of the originals yet remaining; what varieties there are among the copies themselves shall be afterward declared; in them all, we say, is every letter and tittle of the word. These copies we say, are the rule, standard, touchstone, of all translations, ancient or modern, by which they are in all things to be examined, tried, corrected, amended, and themselves only by themselves. Translations contain the word of God, and are the word of God, perfectly or imperfectly, according as they express the words, sense, and meaning of those originals. To advance any, all translations concurring, into an equality with the originals, so to set them by it, as to set them up with it, on even terms, much more to the purpose and use them as means of castigating, amending, altering any thing in them, gathering various lections by them, is to set up an altar of our own, by the alter of God, and to make equal the wisdom, care, skill, and diligence of men, with the wisdom, care, and providence of God himself.&quot; (page 461).

Owen mistakenly believes that the authority of Scripture is in the original languages, that translation is incapable of presenting the very truth of the Scripture, but must always be servant or slave to the originals. (Mistaking that the language of the Autographs must be emphasised: while the original languages are primary sources, it would be incorrect to think that after God\'s Word was properly and fully gathered from them, that equal authority could not be found in one excellent translation.)

Owen\'s doctrine is based on an misunderstanding of the nature of the originals, for while he affirms inspiration, he does not extend God\'s providence beyond preserving the original languages as much as he should. (If any witness of copies, if any providence, he thinks it is to point back to the witness of the original langauges, which by copies go back to the Autographs.) Owen would rather have all translations destroyed, than to have a translation as equal to or presenting the originals (pity all the people in England that knew no Hebrew or Greek!) Whereas we know that if all the Scriptures in Hebrew and Greek were lost today, we would not lose God\'s Word, and would suffer no injury.

Owen\'s view is also against the very translators of the King James Bible, who believed that the very Word of God was set forth in English.

Brian Walton\'s answer to John Owen\'s accusations may be found in &quot;The Considerator Considered&quot;.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=8ME9AAAAIAAJ&amp;dq=Brian+Walton&amp;source=gbs_summary_s&amp;cad=0

As far as looking at the accuracy of the King James Bible, Walton and contemporaries at least recognised it to be the best in the world, though stopped short of calling it perfect. Whereas Owen\'s view was to be more slave to the Hebrew and Greek. The point is this: the parties did in some way adhere to that view, only one to a greater and the other to a lesser extent.

Now that such a time of judging is past (and the KJB was indeed recognised to be presenting the originals), we today are not to keep to the same subjection, but to see the King James Bible as standing on its own merit, as if it were &quot;the originals&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1024', '9f6e85d81f', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'It should be clear by now that there is another gospel, another Christ and another message being preached that is backed by devils. This has even extended to many churches across the planet. The problem of the Galatians has multiplied in these &quot;perilous times&quot; (see 2 Timothy 3:1) where there are those &quot;[h]aving a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.&quot; (2 Timothy 3:5). Especially note the command to &quot;turn away&quot; from such people.

&quot;[6] I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
[7] Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
[8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.[9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.&quot; (Galatians 1:6-9).

The Biblical preacher will not be led astray by popular tendencies or modernist ideas that purport to spruce up the gospel. Biblical preachers must please God, not seek to please men. &quot;For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.&quot; (Galatians 1:10). For example, the modernist \'bibles&quot; of today are all about pleasing men and nothing to do with pleasing God or holding to godliness and purity in preaching. Whenever someone says now &quot;We want contemporary versions.&quot;, they are talking about pleasing men. Preaching the true Bible is not a popular activity but it is a godly activity.

The extent of the preaching of another gospel is seen in the many forms of unbelief that now parade in many places, unbelief that denies Christ\'s power and place, that denies God\'s truth and preservation, that puts man as an animal derived from evolutionary scenarios, that neglects the reality of Hell, that forsakes holiness, and so on.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1025', '336a093db7', 'Brian Walton and John Owen', '[color=darkblue:336a093db7]Hi Folks, 

Allowing for the fact that Owen and Walton and others were looking at the Bible version glass darkly (or perhaps more lightly than those today as there was less interest in the corrupt alexandrian text in their day) the discussions between John Owen and Brian Walton remain a very interesting read today.  

Btw, the case is made that John Owen was unnecessarily made to seem hostile to the scholarship work of Walton in various languages, Biblia Sacra Polyglotta, when Owen actually was warm to that work. Owen was rightly concerned with Walton\'s diversions away from the Reformation Bible (e.g. to the Septuagint in the OT). And giving NT examples such as bothering with the clearly corrupt variants from Codex Bezae, which had been rightfully rejected by Beza, and the corrupt variants from Vaticanus given by the Jesuit Brugensis.  The concern was more Walton\'s text-philosophy and variant methodology than his concept and labour. While I am no expert on this back-and-forth so far that distinction seems a fair one, quotes can be found from Owen pro and con.  And to fan the flames of the disagreement, to make interesting reading, and to push along the dubious part of Walton (working with some very corrupt texts) the cons are chosen, the pros are ignored.  Brian Walton and his defenders could be thin-skinned, since they did not want to hear the very true parts of the Owen presentation.  

So one irony is that on the overall view of the Reformation Bible Owen\'s views were superior to Walton (Walton being the technocrat, Owen being the expositor and having more a sense of the purity of the word of God). Owen wrote in defense of the historic Reformation Bible, the Received Texts, both OT and NT, the base behind the King James Bible.  Thus on that aspect we can find John Owen excellent.  

And you can see that in practice in his spirited and strong and many-times use of the Johannine Comma as Scripture (note: more than \'true\').  Owen references the Johannine Comma at least 11 times in &quot;Works&quot;, always strongly as Scripture, frequently focusing his commentary around the verse and section.  

(By contrast Walton, and even his pro-KJB biographer Henry John Todd, are equivocal. Walton did include the Comma in the Polyglotta Greek and Latin .. not sure about the other languages .. however he was not yet in the period where the virulent anti-Comma hostility had come forth, the opposition was still marginal, the Puritan writers and preachers accepted the verse as scriptural and foundational, so the Polyglotta inclusion of the Comma is not surprising).

Returning to the flip-side of the Owen superior understanding of the Reformation Bible. On the other hand Brian Walton was more clearly in support of the accuracy and strength of the King James Bible as the English Bible. Not its perfection (that would be hard for anyone to see in those days, when the Bible issues were still coming to fruition and the major battles of alexandrian deformity had not come forth) yet still recognizing The Authorised Version\'s position of being the best English Bible, and being an extremely fine Bible. Appreciating its accuracy and majesty and overall scholarship to a much higher degree that the scholars of his day in general.  

Since scholars as a rule tend to becoming critics and correctors. The better to show off their own expertise and great insight and grind a few doctrinal axes and receive some plaudits.

A fundamental point we should try to keep in mind some when looking at historical scholarship.  The years up to 1611 represented a unique moment in time when skilled scholarship with the heart for the pure Bible built upon the ongoing superb Reformation scholarship of the last century.  A unique moment in history, bringing forth the unique and pure and perfect King James Bible.

Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:336a093db7]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1026', '1b26ee7b5d', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'As we examine how the Traditional Pentecostals of yesteryear gave up their godly tradition to let modernism invade Pentecostal churches, we note that there were key deceptions that came into their thinking.

An illustration of this is seen in Kenneth E. Hagin’s statement as follows: “The word [i:1b26ee7b5d]atonement [/i:1b26ee7b5d]doesn’t appear in the New Testament. The word translated atonement is actually [i:1b26ee7b5d]redemption[/i:1b26ee7b5d]. Atonement is an Old Testament word which simply means to cover the sins of Israel while the sins were borne away by the scapegoat.” (Kenneth E. Hagin, “The present day ministry of Jesus Christ”, 1982, p.7.).

Well might we ask what makes normally intelligent people say absolutely stupid statements like this. When Hagin says, “The word [i:1b26ee7b5d]atonement [/i:1b26ee7b5d]doesn’t appear in the New Testament.”, he is immediately contradicted by the Bible itself , which says, “And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.” (Romans 5:11). He has clearly bought into the modernist philosophy that says we can change clear readings of the King James Bible to what suits us by saying that it is translated incorrectly! This modernist trend actually undermines the foundation of Biblical doctrine because uncertainty of the true readings (ie. what is actually in the King James Bible) is introduced into the minds of people.

Unfortunately, Hagin never even looks at the fact that both the words “atonement” and “redemption” are found in the New Testament of the King James Bible, so the appropriate thing is to believe that God has superintended providentially the translation of His Word into English and wants us to see that we must accept the Scripture and “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15). This is a great pity because people like Hagin should have known better, having been warned of God of the modernist problems in pancosmic religion.

Hagin’s error of adopting [b:1b26ee7b5d]the modernist “it’s translated wrong” philosophy is rife in the modernist churches and is to be repented of[/b:1b26ee7b5d]. Although many things that Hagin says is right (he was a King James Bible preference man), there are some areas that are object lessons to true Traditional Pentecostals of today, namely that we must accept the King James Bible for what it says and become learned, rather than going into devilish wisdom that propagates modernist philosophy.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1027', 'dbcd9b5a39', 'The Protector, 12 October 2008', '[img:dbcd9b5a39]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:dbcd9b5a39]

[color=red:dbcd9b5a39]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:dbcd9b5a39]

WELCOME! [i:dbcd9b5a39]The Protector[/i:dbcd9b5a39] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:dbcd9b5a39][color=darkblue:dbcd9b5a39]EDITORIAL[/color:dbcd9b5a39][/size:dbcd9b5a39]

CONSPIRACIES

There is no doubt that conspiracies exist. But it is apparent that the object or target of some conspiracies are really attacks against things which are good.

If someone claims that certain preachers are part of the New World Order agenda or something similar because they preach that God will bless believers, this only reveals the bias of the accuser.

A greater problem is the attack on government. Fringe conspiracy people really have a lot to answer for when it comes to these kinds of Scriptures, like, “Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.” (1 Peter 2:17), or, “Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord\'s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme” (1 Peter 2:13), or, “For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.” (Romans 13:4).

It is a great deception when people attack their own government, and then support an enemy, for example, speaking out in favour of Russia’s recent invasion of a neighbouring country. This indicates that some conspiracy websites might be a fifth column for the Russian agenda.

Moreover, it is remarkable how many attacks concentrate on things which have historically done good, for example, the British Empire (which was the largest force for the Bible and true Christianity in the world).

People will not be believing correctly, whether they believe conspiracies, mainstream media or anything else, unless they have a Biblical view of the world. In this time, godless ideologies such as the human rights doctrine and associated views of evolution, special relativity, psychiatry, multiculturalism and so on are hardly resisted or exposed.

Words themselves are made to have wrong connotations, so that “lust” becomes “love”, or “revolution” becomes “peace” and so on.

If there is one conspiracy today, it is to keep people in the dark concerning the Gospel. This conspiracy is a spiritual one. Although Western nations are not places where Christians are executed for their faith, Western nations are full of people who have been spiritually destroyed through compromise, and where millions are in blindness and darkness concerning the Gospel. See 2 Cor. 4:4 and 6.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1028', 'fcb13a8010', '1629 abd 1638 editions - translator help', '[color=darkblue:fcb13a8010]Hi Folks,[/color:fcb13a8010]

[quote:fcb13a8010=\"bibleprotector\"]It is not certain who was involved with the editing of the 1629 Cambridge work.[/quote:fcb13a8010][color=darkblue:fcb13a8010]True.

Textual history by David Norton gives us a bit more, leaving it reasonably possible that Ward and/or Bois were involved in 1629 as well as the 1638 where we know they were active..[/color:fcb13a8010]
[color=darkred:fcb13a8010]
&quot;When Cambridge University Press issued its first edition in 1629, the fact that some of the original translators were involved in the work is remarked on&quot; (p.25) 

&quot;Scrivener\'s suggestion that at least one of the named editors must have been involved in both editions (1629 and 1638) seems probable&quot; (p. 90)

&quot;Two of the editors named, Bois and Ward, had been among the original translators, a circumstance that might be taken as giving extra authority to this (1638) Cambridge work&quot; (p.90)[/color:fcb13a8010][color=darkblue:fcb13a8010]

This was an interesting feature, original translators staying with the Bible for almost three decades after completion, helping refine the 1611 KJB  (especially considering that printing in those days was imperfect). 

Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:fcb13a8010]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1029', '8c3a66141a', 'Video clips', 'I agree, it is important to get the message of the preservation of the King James Bible out, and the video clips are easy to understand.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1030', '90f8564d9b', 'Acts 6:3 - we may appoint over this business', '[color=darkblue:90f8564d9b]Hi Folks,

An interesting tidbit from the late 1600s, involving an historical revisionism that had long legs, 200 years. 

One verse is rarely mentioned in the KJB early textual discussion today. Yet the verse was also involved in the Prelate-Puritan (Independents, Congregationalists) controversies, and in some ways the accusation was far more serious, involving bribery to tamper with the text.

And the verse is especially interesting because it shows how even when there is a error, God directs the pure text to come forth. (This verse had an error in many King James Bible editions from 1638 to 1691.)[/color:90f8564d9b]

[color=indigo:90f8564d9b]Acts 6:3
Wherefore, brethren, 
look ye out among you seven men of honest report, 
full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom,
whom we may appoint over this business.
[/color:90f8564d9b]
[color=darkblue:90f8564d9b]This verse has some similarity to the Acts 14:23 issues.  Here a mistranslation \'ye may appoint\' can support a similar type of concept as the dubious \'appoint by election\' (ultra-dubious if election means voting) concept that earlier translations had in the Acts 14 verse.  (An interesting separate discussion.)  And the mistranslation could arise deliberately or by printer\'s error.

In the late 1600s this verse became the focus of a real brouhaha, including accusations of textual bribery. Even by Cromwell himself ! 

Again we start with a Minister and his sermons, and we have the accusations of &quot;I heard ... &quot; although here there were actual names given and more details.   It was not just &quot;I had a friend in Minsk...&quot; who heard from deceased individuals decades earlier, essentially untraceable.  With criminal conduct alleged, and more specifics to trace of names and details,  there was accusation and rebuttal.  

And the Church of Scotland weighed in to say essentially \'why accuse us\' that they never would have favored the \'ye may appoint\' mistranslation anyway :-) .  (They did not comment on whether Cromwell or other Independents would be involved in such mischief.)

Oh, no indication so far of anybody countering with the \'Prelate/Bancroft\' accusation on related doctrinal verses, perhaps that was not considered relevant and credible by this later time. The writer to check most closely would be James Owen, writing to rebut Thomas Gipps on a number of issues.

And even though the allegation was of a criminal nature and able ultimately to be successfully rebutted (the accusers, originally publicized through the sermons of Thomas Gipps, did not know the time of the first Bible with the variant) the accusation of textual \'forgery\' continued in the public arena through the 1800s.  Popularized by Isaac Disraeli, son of Benjamin Disraeli, in \'Curiosities of Literature\' and repeated by Richard Towers (RCC) and others (Timperley, Peter Oliver) and even Butler being quoted in the well-respected Journal of Sacred Literature.    

Again you have a situation of folks reporting as fact what some would like to be so, without the proper concern for real authentication and without researching to the early sources and without even using sensible reasoning.   We saw this throughout the 1800s and 1900s and even continuing today with the \'strain at a gnat\' \'printer\'s error\' canard.  And we see similar lemming-quoting with the Miles Smith \'quotations\' and \'Miles Smith complained to everybody\' at the center of the \'14 alterations by Bancroft\' story-rumour. 

One source quotes another, whether the concept is essentially nonsensical/false (gnat), false (Cromwell and Acts 6:3) or ultra-dubious historical journalism  (Miles Smith \'quotation\' and \'telling everyone...\').

Historical revisionism for agenda is quite popular. 

Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:90f8564d9b]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1031', 'a99f613c13', '', '[quote:a99f613c13]In the late 1600s this verse became the focus of a real brouhaha, including accusations of textual bribery. Even by Cromwell himself ![/quote:a99f613c13]

Yes, that conspiracy theory that Cromwell bribed the Cambridge printers to make a deliberate error is well documented ... this goes right along with all the other stories about Oliver Cromwell, King James I and so on which stem from some evil (pride or fear) or from deliberate agenda (certain Jesuits, certain modern anti-King James Bible people).

For a moment, lets look at: a. the source/reason for these stories, and b. who loves and perpuates them today.

Two Scriptures:

&quot;But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.&quot; (2 Tim. 3:13).

&quot;And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.&quot; (2 Thess. 2:10).

The source of such stories (against the KJB or against men of God, even if they were not perfect, their general godly character nevertheless maligned), may have sources such as pride, fear, etc.

The use of historical revisionism is rife today in the world. THIS KIND OF HISTORY ONLY EXISTS IN THE PRESENT, IT IS A PRESENT &quot;TRUTH&quot; OR SET OF FACTS, A STORY WHICH EXISTS IN THE MIND OR IN COMMUNICATED FORM IN THE PRESENT, THEREFORE HISTORY IS A STORY ADJUSTED FOR THE PRESENT AUDIENCE BASED ON PRESENT INTERPRETATIONS OF (USUALLY CONTRIVED) FACTS. Such is false history.

The biggest culprits of this are:
1. humanists (evolution, political correctness);
2. Romanists (pretended history all the way back to Peter);
3. anti-King James Bible modernists (will go out of their way to believe something against the KJB).

How is it when facts were able to be marshalled in abundance from the Industrial Revolution to the present day, yet darkness and cloudiness has prevailed in all these areas, and upon the hearts of men in the Western nations? It brings to mind the fifth vial of Revelation (in historicist prophecy, as a long term product of the French Revolution), that darkness should so cover the seat of beast, Rome, Italy, Europe, the doctrine of the UN, that men would have sores and pains (e.g. mental illness), and yet repent not.

So, I will make a straight rhetorical question: Why is it that the anti-King James Bible people go out of their way to dredge up every baseless empty shift, half truth or statement which seems to impugn or impute weakness upon the KJB?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1032', '12443add94', '', 'Two more figures from the 1650s are of interest:

1. John Canne, who added many margin notes to the King James Bible, who was given permission to print his edition during the Puritan rule.

2. William Kilbourne, who attacked certain printers for making editions which contained &quot;dangerous errors&quot;, while praising the Cambridge Edition at that time for being &quot;authentique&quot;, etc.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1033', 'b647476083', 'William Kilbourne and John Canne', '[color=darkblue:b647476083]Hi Folks,[/color:b647476083]

[quote:b647476083=\"bibleprotector\"]William Kilbourne, who attacked certain printers for making editions which contained &quot;dangerous errors&quot;, while praising the Cambridge Edition at that time for being &quot;authentique&quot;, etc.[/quote:b647476083] 
[color=darkblue:b647476083]Kilbourne\'s book is on the web inside a book by Loftie.  Fairly interesting,  he does not seem to get much involved in doctrinal issues so his silence about the accusations is minor, in that regard.  The concern about printing errors was reasonably legit although the tone can be more alarmist than necessary.  Apparently, the worst Bibles were those imported from Holland.  

Thank you Lord Jesus for bringing clarity to our understanding of the purity of the King James Bible, that we are not relying on 1600s printing technology to see the pure and perfect word of God.

It was through the Loftie book that I began to see about the Acts 6:3  and Cromwell accusation history.  Which is not covered very well in modern books, generally not at all. 

John Canne is new to me, and will take a bit of checking.

Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:b647476083]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1034', '7e0d1e1be0', 'Hardness of heart', '[quote:7e0d1e1be0]So, I will make a straight rhetorical question: Why is it that the anti-King James Bible people go out of their way to dredge up every baseless empty shift, half truth or statement which seems to impugn or impute weakness upon the KJB?[/quote:7e0d1e1be0]

I know it\'s rhetorical but it does demand an answer.

&quot;And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.&quot; (Mark 10:5).

Clearly, the same attitude and behaviour we see today amongst the historical revisionists was present in Christ\'s day.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1035', '6524b2cd2c', '', '[quote:6524b2cd2c]Kilbourne\'s book is on the web inside a book by Loftie.[/quote:6524b2cd2c]

Can this be read online? (Name also spelt Kilburne.)

There is a list of KJB history texts here:

[url]http://www.biblereadersmuseum.com/bibhistory.html[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1036', '75b9d4020c', 'Dangerous Errors - Scripture Authentick', '[color=darkblue:75b9d4020c]Hi Folks,[/color:75b9d4020c]

[quote:75b9d4020c=\"bibleprotector\"][quote:75b9d4020c]Kilbourne\'s book is on the web inside a book by Loftie.[/quote:75b9d4020c]Can this be read online? [/quote:75b9d4020c]
[color=darkblue:75b9d4020c]Yep. (\'Kilbourne\' was just my faux pas.) 
Dangerous Errors by William Kilburne is embedded (embooked) in:[/color:75b9d4020c]
[color=darkred:75b9d4020c]
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&amp;id=zxX3YbmJsioC
A Century of Bibles by William John Loftie
[/color:75b9d4020c][color=darkblue:75b9d4020c]
Here is a book from the late 1600s, that came up en passant in looking up the Acts 6:3 controversy, that is hard to find that might have some interesting material.[/color:75b9d4020c]
[color=darkred:75b9d4020c]
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scripture-Authentick-discourse-aspersions-translations/dp/B0018H7HT6
Scripture Authentick, and Faith Certain. A discourse which may serve for an answer to divers late aspersions on the integrity of originals, and validity of our modern translations by Edward Wetenhall 
[/color:75b9d4020c]
[quote:75b9d4020c=\"bibleprotector\"]There is a list of KJB history texts here:
[url]http://www.biblereadersmuseum.com/bibhistory.html[/url][/quote:75b9d4020c]
[color=darkblue:75b9d4020c]Kewl. I\'ll look that over.  Probably I can add some more too in a bit.

Shalom,
Steven[/color:75b9d4020c]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1037', '31abd4335d', '', 'I had to use a proxy server to see the PDF file!

I got Curtis\' book too: http://books.google.com/books?id=jI6I4xjYuqkC

Cardwell\'s reply: http://books.google.com/books?id=r4oIAAAAQAAJ

Turton\'s reply: http://www.archive.org/details/textofenglishbib00turtrich');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1038', 'a2fddd0f47', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;And some cried one thing, some another, among the multitude: and when he could not know the certainty for the tumult, he commanded him to be carried into the castle.&quot; (Acts 21:34).

This verse is illustrative of the fact that if one is saying one thing, and another something else, there will be a tumult. Note that &quot;he could not know the certainty&quot;. This illustration is easily seen to be true for the modern versions, which are [b:a2fddd0f47]not [/b:a2fddd0f47]all saying the same thing, and, in fact, [b:a2fddd0f47]differ amongst themselves in many ways[/b:a2fddd0f47]. What a tumult and confusion there is amongst the modernist churches! What an undermining of the one true Bible! This is where real spiritual disunity resides. Does God want us to have the certainty about what He says? For example, the [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5093544.stm]Church of England today is so split[/url] over whether or not sodomites can be Christian ministers that there is a fracturing happening even now - yet this was the Church that presided four centuries ago over the King James Bible translation. It is evident that there is now a tumult in their midst.

&quot;That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.&quot; (Romans 15:6). God gives us here the standard of unity and the idea that the Church can have many &quot;bibles&quot; just does not fit at all. [b:a2fddd0f47]One [/b:a2fddd0f47]mind and [b:a2fddd0f47]one [/b:a2fddd0f47]mouth is the standard. That requires one Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1039', '7da0bcf670', 'Books - English Bible history with KJB substance', '[color=darkblue:7da0bcf670]Hi Folks,[/color:7da0bcf670]

[quote:7da0bcf670=\"bibleprotector\"]There is a list of KJB history texts here:
[url]http://www.biblereadersmuseum.com/bibhistory.html[/url]
[/quote:7da0bcf670][color=darkblue:7da0bcf670]
Very nice reading and research list.

Here are a few books to check and consider for the list.[/color:7da0bcf670]
[color=darkred:7da0bcf670]
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&amp;id=Kt4CAAAAQAAJ
An Historical Account of the Several English Translations of the Bible: And the Opposition They Met with from the Church of Rome - Anthony Johnson (1730)

http://books.google.com/books?id=laUCAAAAQAAJ
A list of editions of the Bible and parts thereof in English, from 1505 to 1820 - Henry Cotton (1852) 1st Edition (1821)

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&amp;id=ISECAAAAQAAJ
An Authentic Account of Our Authorized Translation of the Holy Bible, and of the Translators: with Testimonies to the Excellence of the Translation -  Henry John Todd (1834). 

http://members.aol.com/pooua/Bagster_Hexapla/Title.htm
History of English Translations and Translators - Samuel Tregelles (1841) (section in the Bagster Hexapla)

http://books.google.com/books?id=HT4XAAAAYAAJ 
The Translators Revived - Alexander Wilson M\'Clure (1853) 

http://books.google.com/books?id=i_oWAAAAYAAJ
A List of Editions of the Holy Scriptures and Parts Thereof Printed in America Previous of 1860 - Edward O\'Callaghan (1861)

http://books.google.com/books?id=DSdVAAAAMAAJ
A Bibliographical Description of the Editions of the New Testament -  Francis Fry (1878)

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&amp;id=s_8BAAAAQAAJ
The History of the English Bible - William Fiddian Moulton (1878) 

http://books.google.com/books?id=iAYXAAAAIAAJ
Historical Catalogue of the Printed Editions of Holy Scripture in the Library of the British and Foreign Bible Society - British and Foreign Bible Society Library (1903) 

http://books.google.com/books?id=9GtHAAAAIAAJ
The Authorized Version of the Bible and its Influence - Albert Stanburrough Cook (1910) 

http://books.google.com/books?id=GK1LAAAAMAAJ
The Bible in English Literature - Edgar Whitaker Work (1917)

http://books.google.com/books?id=_J3FjFA80S8C
A Book about the English Bible - Josiah Harmar Penniman (1919)

http://www.libertyparkusafd.org/lp/Burgon/cd-roms/130bible.html
The King James Bible Translators - Olga S. Opfell (1982)[/color:7da0bcf670][color=darkblue:7da0bcf670]

The identification of the Samuel P. Tregelles authorship within the Hexapla was, as I remember, based on a note by the Michael Marlowe site. Apparently there was more than one intro in different editions.  And Tregelles was not indicated in the publication, so that could be checked further.  The other possibility, the later edition, according to Schaff, \'ascribed to Mr. Anderson\',  that author may be named in the text, that should be Christopher Anderson.  

On the Olga Opfell book Michael Chadwick puts a copyright note on the electronic text yet does not specifically mention Olga Opfell, or publisher, permission. Clearly the text was made available or a lot of work was done.  That could be checked further as well.  Note that the publisher is listed in some depth (two references), a positive sign.

In addition to the above, and with more ongoing: :) 

I\'ve got a minor tweak or two to your excellent list (e.g. more than one edition or 2 sources available, also perhaps one book was not text-available when I checked) that I may be able to extract.  A lot of them were new to me, John Stoughton\'s book of special note.  (I really enjoy that flipbook style, even if the search is less refined than Googles.)

Some books are worthy of special note even if unavailable online, most but not all are recent.  As an  example - Vance Publications reprinted :  [/color:7da0bcf670]
[color=darkred:7da0bcf670]
A vindication of our Authorized translation and translators of the Bible - Henry John Todd (1819) 
[/color:7da0bcf670]
[color=darkblue:7da0bcf670]Also some books that are close to the topic, a bit less direct on the theme than the ones above (including Dean Burgon).  And there are a few pro-Revision books that include some history, however they are generally agiprop without much substance and value-added. And there are solid-reading Bible defenders speaking of the Revision-concept deficiencies like Malan, Twells and Wadsworth (David Cloud leads in documenting this on the net, appreciated) or later in the Dean Burgon-mode like Mauro. Also there are some excellent articles, reviews and discussions in the 1800s magazines within Google-books, that could possibly lead to a small separate section. Also there are a few books that are not fully available, generally after about 1925, yet the Google \'Preview\' mode is still quite nice.  Most of those are recent books, after 1990.

Shalom,
Steven [/color:7da0bcf670]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1040', 'b7acee33a2', 'Scripture Authentick by Edward Wettenhall', '[color=darkblue:b7acee33a2]Hi Folks,[/color:b7acee33a2]

[quote:b7acee33a2=\"Steven Avery\"]from the late 1600s.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scripture-Authentick-discourse-aspersions-translations/dp/B0018H7HT6
Scripture Authentick, and Faith Certain. A discourse which may serve for an answer to divers late aspersions on the integrity of originals, and validity of our modern translations by Edward Wetenhall [/quote:b7acee33a2][color=darkblue:b7acee33a2]
Ahh.. one of those multiple spellings.  From the book, quoted with smug modernist disapproval in The Enlightenment Bible: Translation, Scholarship, Culture by Jonathan Sheehan (2005) : [/color:b7acee33a2]
[color=darkred:b7acee33a2]
Bishop Edward Wettenhall:

&quot;our Translations have, or may have, all the Senses the present Original can bear, and besides them, any which the Ancient Versions or Glosses can probably affix to the Originals.&quot; 

&quot;Keep to your English Translation, good people: keep to what you are. Your English Bibles to you, are the surest word of Prophecy and Gospel too, that you can meet with. . . . Accurate even to the envy of other Nations. ...&quot; 

(Scripture Authentick, 1686 p.32)
[/color:b7acee33a2][color=darkblue:b7acee33a2]
Shalom,
Steven[/color:b7acee33a2]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1041', '94a3b4a2f8', '', 'Some real treasures here...

(It is wonderful that old editions of the KJB are being put on the internet too. This kind of thing was not available even 5 years ago!)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1042', 'af8708f658', 'Kilburne - Elysian flower of Supramecie', '[color=darkblue:af8708f658]Hi Folks,[/color:af8708f658]

[quote:af8708f658=\"Steven Avery\"]quoted with smug modernist disapproval in The Enlightenment Bible: Translation, Scholarship, Culture by Jonathan Sheehan (2005) : [/quote:af8708f658][color=darkblue:af8708f658]
And Sheehan similarly is concerned at the lyrical words of Kilburne, against the idea that Henry Hill and John Field could wrest control of the text and printing, that the King James Bible (\'1611\') is :[/color:af8708f658]
[color=darkred:af8708f658]
&quot;the national and common Evidence of our Religion ...an Elysian flower of Supremacie.&quot; 

http://books.google.com/books?id=zxX3YbmJsioC&amp;pg=PA48
A Century of Bibles (Loftie) -- Dangerous Errors (Kilburne) [/color:af8708f658]
[color=darkblue:af8708f658]
Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:af8708f658]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1043', '8a1015799e', 'Edward Leigh - \'translation openeth the window\'', '[color=darkblue:8a1015799e]Hi Folks,

Another 1600\'s Puritan writer is Edward Leigh. In this case the harumph quote from Sheehan is:[/color:8a1015799e]
[color=darkred:8a1015799e]
Despite his interest in revisions, there is little doubt that when the scholar Edward Leigh wrote that 

&quot;translation openeth the window, to let in the light; breaketh the shell, that we may eat the Kernel; putteth aside the Curtain, that we may look into the most Holy place,&quot; 

he was thinking of the KJB. 67

67 Leigh, Critica sacra, A3v.[/color:8a1015799e]

[color=darkblue:8a1015799e]This is an edition as early as 1641 and here is the Worldcat entry for Critica sacra.[/color:8a1015799e]
[color=darkred:8a1015799e]
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/18217175&amp;referer=brief_results
Critica sacra observations on all the radices, or primitive Hebrew words of the Old Testament in order alphabeticall, wherein both they (and many derivatives also issuing from them) are fully opened out of the best lexicographers and scholiasts[/color:8a1015799e]

[color=darkblue:8a1015799e]A bit about Edward Leigh.[/color:8a1015799e]
[color=darkred:8a1015799e]
http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/LAP_LEO/LEIGH_EDWARD_16021671_.html
Edward Leigh (1602–1671) [/color:8a1015799e]
[color=darkblue:8a1015799e]
To be fair, sometimes the harumphers put together some nice material that can be helpful and defenders can use for good, building on their labours.  No matter how much their attempt is to belabour the pure word of God and defend .. nothing. e.g. There is a (anti) \'Ruckmanism\' site that was so intent in showing that other writers (before 1950) are not expressing exactly the same ideas as Peter Ruckman that they give a David Cloud type of exposition on the excellent writers in so doing ! 

Shalom,
Steven [/color:8a1015799e]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1044', 'df074bf32d', '', 'There\'s quite a lot of books to read above (and a source for more excellent quotes).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1045', '21495fddd7', 'Re: Are some World Bibles PCE?', '[quote:21495fddd7=\"Blake\"]I have a pocket size World Bible that is the smallest I have ever seen.  It is the size of a casset tape case and fits easily into almost any pocket.  I actually have two of them.  One is genuine leather while the other is vinyl cased.  I have tried to test this Bible to see if it is PCE and it has passed every test.  Is anyone here aware of this Bible?  Can you verify that it is PCE?

The number on the Bible\'s spine is 891.  The number inside is 800-10-50911.  The following links appear to be the same thing or similar:

http://www.amazon.com/Smallest-Pocket-Bible-KJV-Version/dp/0529058383/ref=ed_oe_o

http://www.alibris.com/booksearch.detail?S=R&amp;bid=9313295403&amp;cm_mmc=shopcompare-_-base-_-aisbn-_-na

Thanks … Blake

PS:  I have much to say to the Brothers on this website.  More than I have time to share right now.  You have been a blessing.[/quote:21495fddd7]

This smallest pocket Bible has the ISBN-13 number of 9780529058386. If
you have any difficulty in finding this book, Wikipedia Book Sources may
help you here. The link is:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ABookSources&amp;isbn=9780529058386[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1046', '9d8c8faf6b', 'John Stoughton - Our English Bible', '[color=darkblue:9d8c8faf6b]Hi Folks,

From your list the John Stoughton book on the English Bible is in that very nice flipbook fashion and is overall one of the most readable books for the overview.[/color:9d8c8faf6b]
[color=darkred:9d8c8faf6b]
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&amp;id=_6UCAAAAQAAJ
http://www.archive.org/stream/ecclesiasticalhi02stou
Our English Bible Its Translations and Translators
[/color:9d8c8faf6b]
[color=darkblue:9d8c8faf6b]While Stoughton gives a couple of hints (maybe more in the Revision section) that he has been confused by the Westcott nonsense this it does not mar the work as with Daniell.  You can see a hint of the view on p. 251 when he expresses concern about the translator\'s not &quot;correcting the text generally adopted&quot; :-) . 

Simply a very readable history by a true historian of the 1600s.

The sections about Broughton (p. 257) and Ambrose Ussher (p. 263) were quite good, including a very hostile pun from Broughton towards Bancroft and a cordial dismissal of their views by Stoughton.

In fact after Broughton he points out something we saw earlier with bishopric. [/color:9d8c8faf6b]
[color=darkred:9d8c8faf6b]
It is curious to notice the lengths to which prejudice has carried some men on this subject. The translators were charged with introducing such words as &quot;familiar spirit,&quot; &quot;witch,&quot; and &quot;wizard,&quot; to please King James ; whereas the Bishops\', the Genevan and the Great Bible had used &quot;familiar spirit&quot; and &quot;witch&quot; as well as similar renderings. (p. 257)[/color:9d8c8faf6b]
[color=darkblue:9d8c8faf6b]
And Stoughton adds a bit more about the Parliament Bill and Thomas Hill and offers this simple comment.[/color:9d8c8faf6b]
[color=darkred:9d8c8faf6b]
&quot;That party feeling entered into the spirit of the enterprise is manifest from this document, and that the bill came to nothing is also clear.&quot;[/color:9d8c8faf6b]
[color=darkblue:9d8c8faf6b]
Stoughton often turns a nice simple powerful phrase. About the margin note and annotations questions:[/color:9d8c8faf6b]
[color=darkred:9d8c8faf6b]
&quot;The Bible of 1611 left the Divine contents to speak for themselves.&quot;(p. 249)[/color:9d8c8faf6b]

[color=darkblue:9d8c8faf6b]And sound observations like.[/color:9d8c8faf6b]
[color=darkred:9d8c8faf6b]
&quot;an honest endeavor to adopt the best translation .. A further proof of their impartiality is seen in the use they made of the Rhemish Testament&quot; (p. 251)

Down to the death of Henry vin., and indeed to the end of Elizabeth\'s reign, the universities, as such, had taken no leading part in the work of translation. None of the representative scholars of Oxford or Cambridge are found among the earlier editors ; but now the flower of those schools of learning appear in connection with the Authorized Version, which owed much more to the great national seminaries than to any rulers in Church or State. (p. 268)[/color:9d8c8faf6b][color=darkblue:9d8c8faf6b]

Shalom,
Steven [/color:9d8c8faf6b]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1047', '2dfc1c4024', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'The Biblical preacher is looking for God\'s will to be done in people, so that after they have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and are born again, then they continue on in the faith. &quot;Therefore, my brethren dearly beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, so stand fast in the Lord, [i:2dfc1c4024]my [/i:2dfc1c4024]dearly beloved.&quot; (Philippians 4:1).

There have been some preachers who preach out of a desire to exalt themselves. This is something to be avoided at all times. We exalt Christ, not ourselves. We preach truth out of a clean heart with charity. &quot;Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [i:2dfc1c4024]as [/i:2dfc1c4024]sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.&quot; (1 Corinthians 13:1). When we have charity, we want to see God\'s will done in those we preach to - this is the heart desire of the Biblical preacher.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1048', '87066fb717', '', 'The one might be like this ISBN 0007166354 (not sure whether this is a PCE though).

I have seen really small HarperCollins Bibles in a vinyl slipcase that are PCEs. They are called things like &quot;Confirmation Gift Bible&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1049', '7d68d88f50', '', 'There was some sort of desire for &quot;revision&quot; in the 1800s, outside of Westcott and Hort. However, from believers there was much caution, and &quot;unclarity&quot; as how to proceed.

Westcott and Hort represent a hijack and a foothold of the enemy.

After that, true believers were disgusted with &quot;revision&quot;. That explains why the Universities never attempted it with the King James Version proper, nor publicised any minor adjustments they made. (Only the phenomena of the internet has brought eyes to bear on this issue.)

The New King James Version represents another kind of hijacking. Since the KJB was still the default version up to the early 1980s, the propaganda that the old language needed updating still existed, but this time the underlying text was edited only moderately (Hills prohibited that), and on the false basis of finding a “majority” in the Traditional Text witness (deferring to the misaligned doctrine that the true preservation of Scripture was only in the original languages). (The TR only people have done a wonderful job in exposing the NKJV.)

It is interesting that most historical books on the King James Bible dating from perhaps 1850 to the present all in some way allow revision of some sort. None really recommend the outright retaining of the King James Bible alone. But then, there are even those in the religious King James Bible only category (or rather, the TR only end of the spectrum) who would allow for some revision even now.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1050', '3f78cd28b5', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', '&quot;And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him. The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.&quot; (Matthew 8:5-8)

Notice in this Scripture how willing Christ was to come and heal the servant. There was no hesitation, or doubt that Jesus wanted to heal. This shows God\'s willingness and desire to see people healed. The centurion demonstrated faith, believing that Jesus had the power to heal. He believed that when Jesus said the word, the servant would be healed. Jesus specifically attributed that man\'s belief to the good result of his servant being healed in the same hour. Faith takes hold of the truth and tenaciously sticks with it until the results are seen in the natural. Every believer has the capacity to walk by faith in their lives.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1051', '3d397b1c70', 'Bible Protector website listing', 'I just did a search for &quot;King James Bible only&quot; just now in Google, and www.bibleprotector.com came up tenth in the list.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1052', 'a2f781c9d5', 'The Protector, 19 October 2008', '[img:a2f781c9d5]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:a2f781c9d5]

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THE MULTIPLE INTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE

There are two important things to understand when interpreting Scripture. The first is that every Scripture must be compared with other Scriptures, not just its context, but the whole Scripture. The second is that it is possible to have two (or more) valid interpretations of a Scripture.

This idea is little taught upon, but is vital in proper understanding of the meaning of Scripture, “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15).

Malachi prophesied that Elijah would come, saying, “Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD” (Malachi 4:5).

Jesus interpreted this verse to apply to two different people at two different times. “And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.” (Matthew 17:11–13).

Jesus said, “Elias truly shall first come”. He was showing that in the future from His day, even future from the present day, Elijah would literally come onto the Earth. We know that this is to occur during the tribulation period just before the battle of Armageddon.

Jesus also said that, “Elias is come already”. John the Baptist denied that he was Elias, but there is something about John the Baptist which makes him a fulfilment of this prophecy.

A prophecy was made about John the Baptist, saying, “And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.” (Luke 1:17).

Therefore, John the Baptist was not literally Elias, but was in the spirit of Elias, therefore fulfilling Malachi’s prophecy.

Thus, there are two different meanings of Malachi’s prophecy. This same principle can be used with other Scriptures too.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1053', 'd24b4345a7', 'Collins Bibles', 'Here is a test to see if your Collins Bible is a PCE.

If you look at a few pages at the beginning of the Collins Bible, you will see a page titled &quot;LICENCE&quot;.
Then, if you see something like &quot;Iona Clear Type Octavo size declared 27th September 1957&quot;, and &quot;dated
in London 30th October 1957 by W. R. Milligan&quot;, then it may be a PCE as it has passed all the 12
tests. These Bibles include:

COLLINS POPULAR AWARD (ISBN-13: 9780007103072)
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ABookSources&amp;isbn=9780007103072[/url]

COLLINS BLACK LEATHER BIBLE (ISBN-13: 9780007259762)
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ABookSources&amp;isbn=9780007259762[/url]

--------------------------------------------------

Now the bad news. If you see something like &quot;Times Ruby Type, vigesimo-quarto size declared 1st April
1958&quot;, and &quot;dated at Edinburgh 14th April 1958 by W. R. Milligan&quot;, it has failed in 2 places:

(#2) 2 Chronicles 33:19, see bottom-right of page OT-434.

(#8) Matthew 26:39, see bottom right of page NT-32.

This text has been used in some Collins Pocket Bibles, such as the

WHITE POCKET GIFT BIBLE (ISBN-13: 9780007166350).
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ABookSources&amp;isbn=9780007166350[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1054', '36b16d3119', '', 'The popular size Collins PCE has ISBN 0007103077

There are some Collins Bibles which are not PCEs. Collins have Bibles from the 1800s which are not PCEs. Some printings from the twentieth century are not.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1055', '93eba20eb1', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.&quot; (Isaiah 40:8). Notice that the grass withering is about change and the flower fading is about change. In fact, both of these examples are about change from better to worse. This is a picture of deterioration. The analogy to the Word of God is that it will not change and there is no deterioration or decline. The Bible, which is the Word of God, is of a different kind of nature from things that change and deteriorate. The nature of the Bible is that it is full of words that last forever. What a wonderful basis for belief this is!

The KJB Christian believer does not have to be concerned that the Bible is going to be changing or deteriorating. This is a firm basis by which to live in a changing world. On the other hand, the modern versionist has a changing word, which affects doctrine and the way they live.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1056', 'e263d45240', 'Collins Bibles', '[quote:e263d45240]
#1] Genesis 41:56 should read- And Joseph
#2] 1 Chronicles 14:10 should read- and wilt
#3] Song of Solomon 6:12 should read- Amminadib
#4] Matthew 27:46 should read- Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani
#5] Mark 5:41 should read- Talitha cumi
#6] Mark 7:34 should read- Ephphatha
#7] Mark 15:34 should read- Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani

I have a few Collins editions that differ on #3 to #7.
I have another edition that is only a variant on the first one.
One of my Cambridge editions has only #3 as the variant.
But when you put these together, and compare, you will see that this list is that final purification.
[/quote:e263d45240]

The 1957 Iona Clear Type Octavo editions have differed on #1 and #2.

(1957 Iona Collins) --- (Pure Cambridge Edition)

#1: and Joseph --- And Joseph
#2: And wilt --- and wilt

The 1958 Times Ruby Type editions have differed on #4, #5, #6, and #7, which are entirely
in capital letters in this Collins edition.

(1958 Times Ruby Collins) --- (Pure Cambridge Edition)

#4 ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI --- Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani
#5 TALITHA CUMI --- Talitha cumi
#6 EPHPHATHA --- Ephphatha
#7 ELOI, ELOI LAMA SABACHTHANI --- Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1057', 'f7810b0834', 'The Prosperous Church', 'The following are the notes for a sermon I recently preached called &quot;The righteous are givers&quot;. The Church is made up of those who are righteous (ie. those who have been born again).

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[b:f7810b0834]&quot;The righteous are givers&quot;[/b:f7810b0834]

God has made us righteous through the gift of righteousness as a result of the work of Christ. (see Romans 5:17).

John 3:16 &quot;God so loved the world that He gave&quot;
God\'s nature is to give. He is the supreme giver.

Mark 6:41-44 &quot;gave them to his disciples to set before them&quot;
Christ\'s ministry on Earth, such as with the feeding of the 5000, shows that He is a great giver.

1 John 2:6 &quot;ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked&quot;
Christians should walk as Christ did and this includes giving as a part of our righteous nature.

Ps. 37:21 &quot;the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth&quot;

1 Thess. 4:1,2 &quot;how ye ought to walk&quot;

Prov. 21:26 &quot;the righteous giveth and spareth not&quot;

The righteous give in more than just the financial area. For example, they give thanks to God, the &quot;sacrifice of praise&quot; (see Hebrews 13:15). It is part of the nature of the righteous to do so.

Ps. 97:12; 140:13 &quot;give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness&quot;

Matt. 25:34-40 &quot;ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you&quot;
Verse 37 shows that this was directed to the righteous who showed through their giving that their nature was righteous. Their giving in these verses include gifts of food, drink, shelter, clothing, hospitality and kindness.

Heb. 11:4 &quot;he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1058', '0bf1eb07c1', 'The SWORD Project for Linux Computers', 'I use Linux on my computer, and have The SWORD Project from The Crosswire Bible Society. This also has
the programs GnomesWord and Bibletime which run in Linux.

Unfortunately, the KJV modules used in The SWORD Project do not have the Pure Cambridge Edition, and I
thought it would be very good if the PCE was included in The SWORD Project, similar to what has happened
in SwordSearcher 5.3 for Windows.

Here are the website links for The SWORD Project, and their related websites:

[url]http://www.crosswire.org/[/url] -- Crosswire Bible Society.
[url]http://www.crosswire.org/sword[/url] -- The SWORD Project.
[url]http://www.crosswire.org/jsword[/url] -- JSword.
[url]http://gnomesword.sourceforge.net/[/url] -- GnomesWord.
[url]http://www.bibletime.info/[/url] -- BibleTime.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1059', '6ae5f3628e', 'Sword', 'Welcome Kevin!
Good to see your posts!
We will be looking into these sites you posted!
*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1060', '30863cd69f', '', 'Yes, it would be good to get the PCE there.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1061', '8ba9b48573', '', 'Hello Atlas,

This seems to be the only way to contact you since I can\'t PM or find your email address anywhere.  I have been interested for sometime to purchase a substantial amount of KJBs to distribute as gifts.  I always wondered whether financially it would be more viable to just get them printed myself or to purchase them in bulk from an existing bible publisher.  Before coming across information on the PCE I was leaning on the bibles supplied by the Australia TBS.  But perhaps printing bibles independently is the better option as this would not only allow printing to my own personal specification and preferences but also encourage and promote the distribution of the PCE.  Anyways there are many more questions and things I\'d like to discuss with you regarding printing and distributing PCE KJBs but this is just so you have an idea of where I\'m coming from.  Hope we can get in contact.

In Christ,
Victor.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1062', 'efaa24af05', '', 'If you were to print copies of the PCE KJV and wanted to add these sorts of &quot;helps&quot; to your bible, where do you get reliable and accurate sources of these things?

Is there a database or something?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1063', 'ffe31065a8', 'Lists in the Bible', 'Hi Victor!
Welcome to the site!
I know of no completely accurate list myself.
There are several parts of certain lists that would be considered correct.
Only those ones should be gleaned.
Start with what is obvious and use that for the start of your list and go from there.
You also could qualify various statements, so that some things that are not really set in stone can yet be used.
&quot;So &amp; So said.......&quot;
*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1064', '8bb83a223c', '', 'Hi Peter,

Thanks for the reply.  I guess it just requires some discernment.  I have communicated with matt and tried to contact atlas in regards to what steps I need to take if I am to print PCE KJVs.  Never ever done anything like this before but definitely seems like a worthwhile ministry if God opens the door.

Personally I\'d like to keep the pages of a bible as minimal as possible, and not adding too much &quot;helps&quot; that could turn out to be in error.  God\'s Word is sufficient right?  But I think it would be very helpful to have a comprehensive concordance at the back of a bible since you can\'t do a word search in a printed bible like you can in swordsearcher.

I\'m still undecided as to whether paragraph headings and Christ\'s words in red are necessary.  Do you think it\'s not really important whether or not these additions are in the Word? Or can they be of help? Or do they actually distract a reader by either emphasising certain passages that really are equally inspired as any other verse (red-letter)? Or setting a bias or way of reading a passage in terms of what paragraph heading is chosen to describe the passage?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1065', '5ba08b6ee4', '', 'I\'ll just add to that last paragraph as to why I ask.  Since the PCE is all about setting a standard, but there is no standard for things like red-letter, referencing, paragraph headings.  So is there a chance of error by adding things with the intention to &quot;aid&quot; the reader?  Is it just not another form of bible correction?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1066', '88a2afcd9f', 'Error can come.', '[quote:88a2afcd9f]Since the PCE is all about setting a standard, but there is no standard for things like red-letter, referencing, paragraph headings. So is there a chance of error by adding things with the intention to &quot;aid&quot; the reader?[/quote:88a2afcd9f]
The red lettering is definitely a problem and I wouldn\'t encourage it myself because they have it wrong in places. Red lettering can impose meaning onto the text, so can be a form of Bible correction. The same can be said for paragraph heading.

Centre referencing is outside the text and there is not a text correction or information imposition on the text. I don\'t count the marginal notes as corrections or &quot;variations of the text&quot; as some modernists maintain - see http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124

As to contacting Atlas, just ask Bible Protector to forward an email sent by you, or maybe wait until Atlas checks this forum again.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1067', 'b67376d23f', '', 'Guys,

I have been out of Bibles for a while. They are all out at local bookstores for now. I plan to make a new run of KJV PCE\'s in Jan. 2009. This date is not set in stone yet. I depends on how the Christmas rush goes for selling KJV-PCE\'s.  I will know more as the Christmas season passes how good it will go. I\'ll  you all up to date new run date.

If you want in on the next run let me know before I make the next run. So I can make some extra s for you.

We have folks here from 3 English speaking nations. The USA, Canada and Australia. We all can do this in our own nations and help get God\'s true Word out there folks. Help me little. I can not do all of this own my own.

If anyone wants to help put out Bible\'s contact me.

[b:b67376d23f]Here are the rules for putting out the Bibles.[/b:b67376d23f]

1. They will be sold to you at cost + shipping.

2. They will be shipped to you on a C.O.D. basis. I shipped out 15 Bibles to one man and he paid me with a bad check. After work we together for a little while I will accept checks and set you up with a small credit account if needed.

3. You can set the price for your Bibles.

4. You must reinvest some of your profits into more Bibles every time you make a new order.

5. After we get large enough can keep more of the profits you wish to do so.

6. Put the Bible in any type of bookstore like, but try to pick good stores that do not sell porn and other such sinful books.

7. If you live in a nation other than the USA the C.O.D. will be calculated the day they are shipped. As you all know the exchange rates go up and down everyday.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1068', '6b420ec624', '', 'KJBman777,

[quote:6b420ec624]The red lettering is definitely a problem and I wouldn\'t encourage it myself because they have it wrong in places.[/quote:6b420ec624]

This is very true. It also adds to the cost of printing. It\'s not good to have much added to the cost of making Bibles at the start. They cost enough as it is.

I did find out you almost need to add something. sadly all other Bibles have something extra, therefore folks expect some type of Bible helps in any Bible. I found this out after my 1st run. This is just the way it is. This is why I put what I did into the KJV PCE. I hate to say this but it helps sells. You almost have to do this nowadays. I think it\'s ok if you do not take it to far with study helps.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1069', '73b3967b93', '', 'Putting the hand to the plough does not mean that everything is easy. We learn how to improve, and how to be more effective, etc.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1070', '1d68a6cef0', '', 'vicks,

I just got your email and emailed you back friend.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1071', '6d33b84d83', '', 'bibleprotector,

[quote:6d33b84d83]Putting the hand to the plough does not mean that everything is easy. We learn how to improve, and how to be more effective, etc.[/quote:6d33b84d83]

Very true indeed. I have learned a few things in dealing with bookstores printing and putting out Bibles.

It takes time to learn new things, but the Lord always is willing able to heal you learn what is needed.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1072', '1921d12b7a', 'One Year for This Forum!', 'Happy Anniversary!
One whole year already.
*******
What a tremendous blessing.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1073', '579e913d80', '', 'Peter,

Amen brother.

Here\'s to the next good year my friend.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1074', 'b2854819de', '', 'From KJBman777:
[quote:b2854819de]Centre referencing is outside the text and there is not a text correction or information imposition on the text. I don\'t count the marginal notes as corrections or &quot;variations of the text&quot; as some modernists maintain[/quote:b2854819de]

Imposing meaning onto the text is precisely what I am getting at, although whether the good outweighs the bad is still a wonder.  But if red-letter and paragraph headings have that problem, why does it not extend even more so for centre referencing, on the fly alternate translations and marginal notes/comments?  For example, I\'m pretty sure the NASB references Is 14:12 to Rev 22:16, identifying lucifer with Christ.  On the fly alternate english words would kind of be the same as expounding on greek meanings.  The alternate meaning may be correct but it\'s still supporting that the plain english kjv text wasn\'t sufficient.  Marginal notes are just the authors opinions like commentaries and of course can be in error.

From atlas:
[quote:b2854819de]This is why I put what I did into the KJV PCE. I hate to say this but it helps sells. You almost have to do this nowadays.[/quote:b2854819de]

I can totally understand that in order to move them onto the public you have to cater to their wants.  I guess it shows how much the teaching of &quot;the english text is not sufficient&quot; has permeated peoples thinking, that nowadays even considering a bible without all the helps/comments/references etc is not worth the money anymore.

I find the conditions of doing business with you, atlas, very fair and reasonable.  The only things I\'d want to settle beforehand would be things like, quality of finish, book size, what helps to include and trivial personal preferences like this.  Not really important I know, but maybe differing enough for it to be better to do our own projects, but of course I can see the benefit in us working together in this matter, since our ends are the same, but our means may not align.

I\'m not sure how different US and CAN are to AUS in terms of their acceptance of the bible.  But in Perth, there is really only 2 sources one would even think about getting christian resources, and it\'s the Koorong and Word bookshop.  I can\'t imagine being able to sell PCEs to the local bookshop here like you can in the US.  My thoughts are more just to begin by pushing it through my church and its members.  Perhaps can also approach other KJVO churches associated with our church.  We hold many outreach events and also have many international students at our church.  To provide a source to get good quality and sound bibles for family, friends and new believers is one of the needs I want to fill the most.  So I want a bible that is of a high enough quality that people will keep, use and cherish.  How sad it is to have a new believer go to Koorong and buy an NIV/NASB/NKJV study bible =[.

If I can get them into Word and Koorong would also be great, but I wouldn\'t rely on them to move them anyways.  Too many a time have I gone to these bookshops only to see someone ask what bible they should get and never once has the shop person said KJV.  Not saying it\'s pointless, but it\'s not a sure enough way to move the amount of bibles we\'re aiming for.

All these thoughts of course can be easily restricted by many factors such as finances.  So I may just have to lay some preferences aside for the greater good.  

I thank God for the people here and the abundance of help, information and discussion.  It is quite refreshing to know there are people you can discuss things like this with, when so much of the body of Christ no longer cares.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1075', 'ba32c6352e', '', 'Thanks Atlas,

I have received your email.  Do you prefer corespondance here or there?  It may be helpful for browsers in the forums to read what we have talked about.  I have replied in another post:

http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=219

But I would say discussing printing PCEs would be more appropriate in this thread.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1076', '47902da488', 'Centre references.', '[quote:47902da488]But if red-letter and paragraph headings have that problem, why does it not extend even more so for centre referencing, on the fly alternate translations and marginal notes/comments? For example, I\'m pretty sure the NASB references Is 14:12 to Rev 22:16, identifying lucifer with Christ.[/quote:47902da488]
Centre references are certainly a problem with modern version ones but I was referring to the traditional Cambridge centre references, the type you see in PCEs printed 1900 to 1980.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1077', 'b2e6fc5252', '', 'Let\'s continue to believe that the pure KJB is being accepted by the brethren.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1078', '1e48b2806b', '', 'I made a quick YouTube presentation on the margins of the King James Bible:

[url]http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=2fS-BIQDa5k[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1079', '44debd0baf', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '&quot;There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.&quot; (Proverbs 14:12).

It may [b:44debd0baf]seem [/b:44debd0baf]to many today that a contemporary, &quot;up-to-date&quot; bible is the way to go but this way is disastrous because it takes hold of wrong beliefs and philosophies. For example, it assumes that the Bible can be changed to suit man, it assumes that God has not put a fixed, pure Word into the Earth, it assumes that today\'s scholarship is the best and is continually getting better. However, the Traditional Pentecostal knows that the Spirit of wisdom is the guide, not man. &quot;Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth&quot; (John 16:13a). The proper tradition received is the true way. This tradition has been shown to lead conclusively to the King James Bible.

To accept another way is to accept a way that comes from devilish wisdom and it is to be repented of. &quot;This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.&quot; (James 3:15).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1080', '630bf700b1', 'The Protector, 26 October 2008', '[img:630bf700b1]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:630bf700b1]

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WHEN WRONG IDEAS RULE

“When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.” (Proverbs 29:2).

While it is true that some people in Tasmania (the large island south of Australia) did mistreat the native inhabitants, this should not be used to attempt to blame Christianity or the government for the conflict which reduced the population of the natives.

It was not the Christian endeavour to destroy the Tasmanian Aboriginals, rather, to convert them to the Gospel, and increase their standard of living. To this end a high quality mission was built for them on Flinders Island, where many died, not for exposure, want of food, nor by any deliberate policy designed for their extermination.

Those who claim that the government policy was to bring unprovoked destruction upon the natives, and those who claim that sickness was deliberately applied to the natives, are sorely deceived. Fantasy such as this concerning the natives is taken so seriously, that present governments and leaders have made apologies for the apparent atrocities and misdeeds (much of which is exaggerated).

In reality, Australian Aborigines were no less human (despite the argument of anti-Biblical evolutionists otherwise), and therefore subject to the human condition. Since all men who have not been born again are sinners, and the whole world lieth in wickedness, we cannot accept that Christless Aboriginal culture was “utopian”, “tolerating”, “peaceful”, etc. Rather it was rife with destructive ideas and practices. This manifested in their particular violence among themselves and their destruction of the settlers’ property.

The people who attempt to push this guilt upon Christianised culture are acting as false prophets. Even more startling is that some false Pentecostals really do believe that “bad spirits” are in certain places because of a massacre which they “discerned” (supposedly) took place there. “Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.” (Jeremiah 14:14).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1081', '86f3bd54d8', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', '&quot;Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases; Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies; Who satisfieth thy mouth with good [i:86f3bd54d8]things; so that [/i:86f3bd54d8]thy youth is renewed like the eagle’s.&quot; (Psalm 103:2-5).

These are the things that are included in salvation: forgiveness of sin, healing from disease, renewal of youth, and being crowned with the loving kindness and tender mercies of God. He satisfies our mouth with good things: healthy food, water and the Word of God in our mouths. These things will have a good impact upon us. Christians can be continually renewed by God in strength, power and vitality.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1082', 'a8d024dfaf', 'Perfecting the house .. honoring the trail-blazers', '[color=darkblue:a8d024dfaf]Hi Folks,

Dean Burgon stepped out in faith 125 years ago, defended the Traditional Text, and blasted the decrepit \'revision\' and the charlatans to smithareens.  Oh, they still smart today.

Edward Hills a half-century later showed that the pure and true Traditional Text, even with understanding of true textual analysis is .. the King James Bible. Almost.  Hills brought the Reformation Bible understanding right to the door of the textual critics and they were shocked.  They are still numb, befuddled. 

And on a more popular level, Benjamin Wilkinson asserted the historical and textual and purity superiority of the King James Bible, writing for everyman, taking flak from his own org and outside.  Yet, like Hills,  still holding back a smidgen here and there, perhaps a bit unsure of full Bible perfection in the King James Bible.

Then a quarter-century later Peter Ruckman took the plunge.  He said, my King James Bible is perfect .. not \'almost\', not dependent upon autographs and original languages. P-E-R-F-E-C-T.  His critics were shocked, horrified. And not really because of the man\'s style or doctrines or life, and not even because he would dishonor the \'Alexandrian Cult\' and its seminarian babble-priests. One thing struck them hard . Peter Ruckman actually declared that God\'s word, the King James Bible, had full authority in the ploughman\'s hand in everyman\'s English language.  \'Final Authority\' in the Book, not the false priests. And because Peter Ruckman took the flak and spoke the truth, today that path is open and even easy for multitudes. 

All these men were Pure Bible leaders of their times.

Allowing the Pure Cambridge Edition understanding to be another step forward, we should [/color:a8d024dfaf]honour[color=darkblue:a8d024dfaf] the \'ancient landmarks\'.  Even if they are slow to understand and respond today[/color:a8d024dfaf], let us expound the way of truth more perfectly to them[color=darkblue:a8d024dfaf] with a humble spirit, guarding our hearts and honoring the paths they blazed.

Knowing that they too experienced the mocking and hostility and cold shoulders of so many, peers and friends and, most assuredly, the legions of Bible correctors.  And their labours made the efforts today possible and sensible and effective.

Precept upon precept, line upon line.

Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:a8d024dfaf]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1083', 'bcb8fe1f7e', 'The forum', 'We can praise the Lord for the inroads already made. May it continue to increase.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1084', 'dfbcac58a4', 'Honour.', 'Dr Ruckman is to be honoured far above even the &quot;best&quot; of the modernist scholars.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1085', '0a46833dfe', '', 'I\'ve watched that youtube video over and over but am still not so clear as to the conclusion it comes to about the margins.  It is clear on one thing however, that the margins do not mean we do not have a perfect kjv text today, but where that leaves us with the margins, I do not know.

Also I have no idea what is even in these margins.  Are these comments, notes and references included in the 1611 KJV by the translators themself?  Does that mean there are standard marginal notes/references that go with the kjv?  Also if we have the perfect text, and only need the text to understand the text, does that mean the notes are merely supplementary and not necessary?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1086', '89dc5b5142', 'Same Marginal Notes', 'I do know that the marginal notes are the same in 1663 as in 1611 other than a few that Scrivener notes in his work on the King James Bibles.
He states that 368 insertions [marginal notes] have been added from the earlier years.
He credits Dr. Paris [1762] with 269 contributions to the margins, while Dr. Blayney is credited with 66.
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Scrivener\'s conclusion was;
[quote:89dc5b5142]It is needless to pursue this subject further, however curious the questions it suggests, since, after all, every rendering must be judged upon its own merits, independently of the source from which it was drawn.[/quote:89dc5b5142]
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He goes on to show that both of the 1611 issues [he/she] seem to follow Beza\'s text or notes.
That of these 37 textual notes of 1611, the edition of 1762 added fifteen, that of 1769 one.
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The marginal notes were only there as helps for the ignorant in some places. While other places the marginal notes may refer to another possible legitimate rendering.
Some were there just to give the sense of the literal definition.
*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1087', 'cd0d74571c', 'Ruckman', 'Great post Steven.
I agree!
Ruckman is great, and set the new standard for the KJB adherents. 
We all are in his debt.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1088', '55ff22c293', '', 'Yes, Peter, and Scrivener was right when he showed that the margins were consistently inferior to the main text. That is the whole point. They show things that could be extra information, other readings, other translations, etc., but they are never perfect, and sometimes wildly wrong.

The marginalia comes from 1611, being significantly added to in 1769, as we have today in the centre column of a traditional style KJ Bible (not to be confused with a study bible or one like Scofield’s, which has different and particular kinds of commentary notes).

To take one chapter as an example, Isaiah thirty-six, has (by verse): 3. “Or, secretary.”; 5. “Heb. a word of lips.”, “Or, but counsel and strength are for the war.”; 8. “Or, hostages.” and 16. “Or, Seek my favour by a present. Heb. Make with me a blessing.”');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1089', '0f34d13d0c', 'Faith and reason support a sound KJBO view', 'Here is a quote from a modern version apologist:

[quote:0f34d13d0c]Did the 1611 KJV omit part of 1 John 5:12 or did later KJVs add to the verse? It seems, from the evidence of other early Bible translations, the 1611 KJV actually omitted &quot;of God.&quot;[/quote:0f34d13d0c]

Actually, to be scientific, we should ask, did the 1611 edition deliberately or accidentally omit those words?

It is consistent to find that if the answer cannot be made certain on scientific grounds, then the anti-King James Bible only person will invariably conclude that the King James Bible is (in some way) wrong.

In the above example, we can be overwhelmingly persuaded on scientific grounds that the words “of God” belong; but to someone who begins from the view that the King James Bible is perfect, and is demonstrably so by internal and external evidences, he will not only see that this is highly probable but see that it is certain. He will be certain that the words “of God” belong.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1090', 'c9768f369d', '', 'There is a lot of evidence and quotes which can be given which show that there were a lot of printing mistakes in 1611.

There is also plenty of evidence showing that proper corrections were made straight away and in the lifetime of the translators.

Most importantly, God would not give His Word and yet have it uncertain or objectionable to this very day. There is plenty of Scripture showing WHY God would have us know exactly what His Word is.

Here is just one passage:

&quot;Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. ... But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.&quot; (1 Peter 1:23, 25).

If God\'s Word is not here today incorrupt, NO ONE can get born again!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1091', 'a2b48678c0', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.&quot; (Hebrews 5:12). The term oracles is referring to the Word of God, which is always true and always gives the right direction for the Christian believer.
 
When Christians speak, they are to agree with God and this cannot be done unless there is no error in the oracles of God. &quot;If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God&quot; (1 Peter 4:11a). Thus, our mouth should be filled with truth, namely God\'s Word. &quot;But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach&quot; (Romans 10:8). This is complete unity with God and the unity of the brethren is related to the truth that they hold to and speak: &quot;But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ&quot; (Ephesians 4:15). How anyone can think this can be done with the utter confusion of modern versions is utterly amazing!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1092', '7fcb70ef46', 'The Pure Word of God', 'Matthew,
 You concluded;[quote:7fcb70ef46]If God\'s Word is not here today incorrupt, NO ONE can get born again![/quote:7fcb70ef46]
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This is what is obvious, but what about those that say &quot;If it is not KJB, then you are not or never were saved.&quot;?
That there must be the nuggets of the AV there instilled into the heart and ears of the individual.
This one comes up on a semi-regular basis, even among KJBOnly folk.
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I know that there are many that espouse to it; namely, that it should at least be truth according to the pure words of God [KJB], but they would be reticent to speak up on this issue even further to the point that some have gone to.
Namely; Only those saved [b:7fcb70ef46]must[/b:7fcb70ef46] be saved via the King James Bible only. Purity is purity.
*******
It is a bit of a pickle, isn\'t it?
Any thoughts?

Also, the naysayers [modernists] would bock at this and question the folks before 1611 etc. How did THEY get saved? etc.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1093', 'fbf6fb6e6c', '', '[quote:fbf6fb6e6c]This is what is obvious, but what about those that say &quot;If it is not KJB, then you are not or never were saved.&quot;?[/quote:fbf6fb6e6c]

That is an extreme today, but, I suspect, in the future, as the KJB becomes universal with the true Christian Church, it will become a black and white thing.

We know that by Scripture people have been saved from the day of Pentecost to this very day, and the Scripture has been in various versions and translations.

Yet more and more, one perfect version &amp; translation is linked with sound doctrine while multiplicity is the wide road to apostasy.

A good illustration is how Apollos was taught by Pricilla and Aquila, or how Paul taught those Baptists at Ephesus... eventually all believers would be of Christ, and the ways of John the Baptist superseded. That is exactly the case with the KJB and Christianity today. There is a dividing between sheep and goats, and a bringing in (I think this will be more apparent in the future) of true believers to the KJB fold, and eventually, true conversions will be linked with KJB use.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1094', 'd6d2b4be16', 'Was the KJB made by inspiration 1604-1611?', 'WAS THE KJB MADE BY INSPIRATION?

[url]http://av1611.com/kjbp/articles/raj-inspiration.html[/url]

[quote:d6d2b4be16]Those who disagree with my position on the inspiration of the KJV do so because of their misunderstanding of the term INSPIRATION. They think that I teach God breathed-OUT the words of the AV thru the translators, when I teach nothing of the kind. Of course, I do believe that the hand of God was helping them in picking the correct texts and translating those texts faithfully. When I say KJV is inspired Scripture, what I mean is that God has made it ALIVE by BREATHING His breath INTO it. So what is WRITTEN in the Book (AV) are the LIVING words of God. Those are HOLY, and those words have TRUTH in them. There is no FALSEHOOD in the words of the AV. These Scriptures are INERRANT. That is, there are no NUMERICAL, DOCTRINAL, SCIENTIFIC or HISTORICAL errors in the King James text. You cannot have LIVING words and have them teach you ERRONEOUS things.[/quote:d6d2b4be16]

There are two meanings of Biblical Inspiration.

First, the word “inspiration” describes a process of giving the Word from the Spirit of God through the spirit of certain men in the writing of the very words of Scripture originally in the Autographs. This is a process that occurred once for each word as it now appears in the Scripture. Some people point out that Jeremiah 36:32 shows that a certain roll was destroyed, and Baruch rewrote it at the mouth of Jeremiah. As far as Bible inspiration is concerned, the Scripture as it now reads (and was preserved from Jeremiah’s time) is the one where the inspiration took place. Moreover, in inspiration there can be quoting of people, documents and other prophecies, etc. That is why in Jeremiah’s present book, it says, “and there were added besides unto them many like words.” Meaning that the present book is the Scripture, even though the former roll was true; the present book also contains an account of what happened to the former roll, and also additional material written after that time.

Second, and very importantly, inspiration describes the continuing power or nature of the words of Scripture, because they are God’s words, particularly, as John 6:63 states, “It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” Since God gave the words initially not to be lost or diminished, but to be preserved and transmitted, and now present perfectly in English for the whole world, we can certainly ascribe inspiration to the present manifestation of Scripture.

Therefore, we cannot say that the King James Bible was made by the process of inspiration from 1604–1611, but we can certainly say that the KJB has the inspired Word of God, indeed, is the inspired Word of God!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1095', 'e05071f093', 'The Protector, 2 November 2008', '[img:e05071f093]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:e05071f093]

[color=red:e05071f093]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:e05071f093]

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[size=18:e05071f093][color=darkblue:e05071f093]EDITORIAL[/color:e05071f093][/size:e05071f093]

WHAT DOES BIBLE PROPHECY SHOW?

There are quite a few Christians who see the Church as in its very final days, awaiting nothing but Jesus in the clouds to take away believers, so that the final Antichrist can arise in Europe, beginning with a Russian-led invasion of Israel.

This is not entirely accurate. First of all, Christians should not be “waiting around” for Christ. It is a great error to surrender on the Great Commission, which empowered the Church to go and convert nations (rather think that the Antichrist can just take over the whole world): “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, ... Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you” (Matthew 28:19a, 20a).

Secondly, quite a number of things in Scripture prophecy must be fulfilled before the Church goes to be with Christ, and before the final Antichrist appears.

Ezekiel 38:8 &amp; 11 show that the Northern Confederacy is to come before the return of Christ, “in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them. ... And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates”.

This prophecy could not be fulfilled until Israel was re-formed as a sovereign nation. This happened under the British Empire from 1917, and when the evil of “decolonisation” outworked God’s providential plan, Israel declared its statehood. But although Israel was not subject to the Islamic nations, it did not have peace with them. Thus, the prophecy of the seeming peace of Israel, and their dwelling safely and rest has not yet been fulfilled. It may be that the political “Left” can accomplish such a thing. But it will all be changed when the Russian-led confederacy attempts to conquer half the world, and to pillage Israel.

The end of that war has nothing directly to do with the United States of America. Since the Bible is silent on this topic, it has been assumed that America must have its fall, and this is likely by the dark clouds, fire and blood of the Northern Confederacy.

There are so many things which must be fulfilled for the Church and its coming success in Gospel preaching, that the present and coming darkness is not able to endure.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1096', '37fa8adc60', 'The Jesuits wanted to kill King James, Parliament &amp; Lord', '[img:37fa8adc60]http://www.bibleprotector.com/James_and_Guy.jpg[/img:37fa8adc60]

Guy Fawkes and the Gunpowder Plot: 5 November 1605

From &quot;The Treasury of David&quot; on Psalm 64:5

They say, Who shall see them? So sedulously do they mask their attacks, that they defy discovery; their pitfalls are too well hidden, and themselves too carefully concealed to be found out. So they think, but they forget the all seeing eye, and the all discovering hand, which are ever hard by them. Great plots are usually laid bare. As [b:37fa8adc60]in the Gunpowder Plot, there is usually a breakdown somewhere or other; among the conspirators themselves truth finds an ally, or the stones of the field cry out against them. Let no Christian be in bondage through fear of deep laid Jesuitical schemes,[/b:37fa8adc60] for surely there is no enchantment against Jacob, nor divination against Israel; the toils of the net are broken, the arrows of the bow are snapped, the devices of the wicked are foiled. Therefore, fear not, ye tremblers; for the Lord is at your right hand, and ye shall not be hurt of the enemy.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1097', 'ae68171039', 'Our covenant with God', 'Our covenant demands action from both parties - ourselves and God. On our part, Christians must be obedient to the commands of God, have faith in Him, and maintain a clean and pure heart before Him. God\'s part is that He keeps His Word and His promises will come to pass in our lives. We can have strong confidence that God always honours His covenant with us. He wants us to receive His blessings. When we are obedient to Him, God\'s will is done.  

&quot;Then said the LORD unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it.&quot; (Jeremiah 1:12).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1098', '2bff0ed664', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'Do you want to be powerful in God? Do you want to &quot;be strong, and do exploits&quot; for God (see Daniel 11:32). Then, you must believe God\'s Word utterly. You must go from the modernist trend of self-exaltation and lack of holiness and come to believe without fail the Holy Bible, which has no error or lies in it.

&quot;I believe the Word of God is so powerful that it can transform any and every life.&quot; (Smith Wigglesworth, &quot;Wilt thou be made whole?&quot;, September 1927).

The forgers of lies - the modernist scholars who propagate modernist &quot;bibles&quot; - produce no value for a holy life. Traditional Pentecostals understand this and see what God has placed as valuable, namely His pure Word in the Earth today - it produces faith and strength, which is the very opposite of what the modern versions are doing to people today. &quot;But ye are forgers of lies, ye are all physicians of no value.&quot; (Job 13:4).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1099', '58bc150b58', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'The Biblical preacher must be able to expound the Scriptures in order to bring them in a clear way to others. &quot;And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.&quot; (Acts 18:26). Obviously, Paul would not have been able to expound to others about the way of God if he did not know the way of God. &quot;And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.&quot; (Acts 28:23). If one does not know what is in the Bible, then it will be impossible to expound the Bible.
 
God is against ignorance. &quot;For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery ...&quot; (Romans 11:25a). In fact, God wants His people to be learned and the Biblical preacher is an integral part of bringing them to a learned state. &quot;Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.&quot; (Philippians 4:9).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1100', '258cac1fe2', 'The Protector, 9 November 2008', '[img:258cac1fe2]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:258cac1fe2]

[color=red:258cac1fe2]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:258cac1fe2]

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[size=18:258cac1fe2][color=darkblue:258cac1fe2]EDITORIAL[/color:258cac1fe2][/size:258cac1fe2]

THE NEW THING...

It seems that no one wants to be caught with the old thing when everyone else has the new thing. And that is a selling point for new versions of the Bible, and new Church movements. But it is a false argument.

First, God’s Word and His will does not change. Therefore, it would be wrong to get something new here. In fact, He says, “Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me” (Isaiah 46:9). Again, “Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.” (Jeremiah 6:16).

One of the biggest points made by charismatic fakers is that Christians must abandon tradition and get off into the “spirit”. It is certainly good to abandon bad tradition, and it is certainly good to receive the true Holy Spirit, but the idea of laying aside godly traditions (which is what the false preachers mean), or the laying hold of a “feeling” is contrary to sound doctrine.

It sounds quite plausible that the old King James Bible could be revised just a little, just to bring the language up to date. Many people have thought so. But this is not good at all! Not only are the language and words of the King James Bible exact, but the very accurate meaning of those words cannot be “updated”.

For example, there is a word in the King James Bible “ensample”. This word, which means to take internally as an example, is not the same as just the word “example”. Yet people think that changing “ensample” to “example” is nothing. No, its is everything! The very jots and tittles of God’s Word are at stake when people who are not authorised by God try to “update” His Word.

Maybe changing a little thing is not like denying the Resurrection of Christ, but it is still a dangerous mistake to “conform to the world”.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1101', '50c4f53533', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.&quot; (Revelation 2:4).

The love of God and what He says must be the first love. This is what the modernist churches have left. &quot;And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?&quot; (Luke 6:46). It is no use being in a church that says &quot;Lord! Lord!&quot;, yet denies the Lord in what it does. Christians [b:50c4f53533]must know[/b:50c4f53533] what are the things that the Lord says and obey them. This requires a pure Bible, not the multitudinous efforts of wordly scholars, not modernist books that cannot hope to be saying what God says correctly. The King James Bible is God\'s Word for today and it does not change, so we can know what God says.

The first love (and hence unity with God and the true brethren) will not be left behind when a pure, perfect Bible is held to. &quot;Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.&quot; (Psalm 119:140).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1102', 'd61eacc9ca', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', '&quot;And Moses [i:d61eacc9ca]was [/i:d61eacc9ca]an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.&quot; (Deuteronomy 34:7).

This is an example of the sustaining power of God. God can strengthen the body and mind. Along with this, we should also consider that a clean and pure heart goes a long way toward keeping our youth renewed like the eagle\'s. Sin undermines a person\'s confidence toward God, and in doing this, significantly hinders a person\'s ability to receive God\'s strength and power, and other blessings too.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1103', '2086122862', 'Where is the Word of God today?', 'The King James Bible only view is actually arguing that God has revealed His Word fully. If we take away for a moment the idea of “King James Version”, and just consider this: Where is God’s Word today? Where is it perfect? Who has access to it?

It is a fact that good Christians have used many versions, indeed, in various languages, and this is true for centuries before the King James Bible ever existed.

But come to today. Where is God’s perfect Word, exactly? At one time it was in Hebrew and in Greek. At one time it was in many translations. But do we have certain knowledge that God’s Word fully exists in ONE PLACE in perfect form today?

And should we believe that?

There is an excuse that says that since God has allowed His Word to be scattered, and to be generally available in such a wide variety (so that up to 5% of it may be in variety, or that just 0.01 % is uncertain) — How can the perfect all powerful God allow His Word to be never perfect in one place today? Just because it wasn’t perfectly present in a single volume in, say, 1453 A.D. ...

“And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.” (2 Peter 3:4).

Just because the Bible was not perfect in one version in 1453 does not mean that it is not perfectly in one volume today.

Entropy, or loss of information, that is, the liability to error does exist. Are we to think that the error of presentation of the Word of God is increasing? Apply that law logically, and the vast amount of varying modern versions should show that error is multiplied.

On the other side, we are told that scholars are gaining knowledge, that progress is being made in the fields of criticism, and that textual research increases all the time.

“Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” (2 Timothy 3:7).

Is the wisdom of men, the knowledge of those Bible scholars who continually back up new versions, really a gift of God to the Church?

While we don’t need a Latin priesthood to INTERPRET the Scriptures, why substitute HEBREW and GREEK scholars to give children of God their Scriptures. Or are all scholars children of God? (Can you be sure that all translators of modern versions are &quot;orthodox&quot;?)

Finally, and most importantly, the real issue is the spirit of error. The Spirit of Truth claims that full truth is fully accessible. The spirit of error argues that no person can have all the truth, that no Bible can be totally correct, etc.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1104', '69efc5f9a5', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;[35] Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [i:69efc5f9a5]and [/i:69efc5f9a5]the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: [36] If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [i:69efc5f9a5]then [/i:69efc5f9a5]the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.&quot; (Jeremiah 31:35,36).

Notice in this passage &quot;Thus saith the LORD&quot;. It is this assurance that God has said it that the following promise can be taken seriously. God is giving a promise to Israel about nationhood and it is a forever promise. How can anyone rely on what God says unless it is firm? This is the great necessity for a firm foundation in what God says.

&quot;If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?&quot; (Psalm 11:3) Christians should take this very seriously and ask what are these foundations and where are they found? - the foundations are the words of God in the Bible. &quot;Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock&quot; (Matthew 7:24). Note that Jesus is saying here that building your life upon His Word is building upon a firm, reliable foundation. Christians must not accept substitutes if their &quot;houses&quot; (ie. life, church etc) are to be strong. The King James Bible has every word that God spoke perfectly preserved - this is a fine foundation to build upon.

The house of God - the Church - is built by Christ (see Matthew 16:18 - &quot;upon this rock I will build my church&quot;). Christ is referring to the rock of the words of God and the surety of a strong Church through this. &quot;I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.&quot; (John 8:26).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1105', 'a3ac726954', 'For some things', '[quote:a3ac726954]We all are in his debt.[/quote:a3ac726954]
For making the KJB stand noticed, yes.

However, it is not an endorsement of all the doctrines he holds to.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1106', '6da0bd1388', '', 'That Dr. Ruckman became the standard-bearer for the KJB had benefits and harms.  His far-ranging and obtuse views polarized far more than what was useful.  I cannot condone his language, attitude, or many of his doctrines.  I must however recognize that his message awakened many to search for the truth for themselves.

Incidentally, to say that he was much better than the modern scholars in not setting the bar all that high. :)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1107', '27025bc3ec', 'Our covenant with God', 'Our covenant is an agreement between God and His people. It will never be broken by God. The covenant works. For example, God commands, and subsequently honours, tithing and offering into the Kingdom of God:

&quot;Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that [i:27025bc3ec]there shall [/i:27025bc3ec]not [i:27025bc3ec]be room [/i:27025bc3ec]enough [i:27025bc3ec]to receive it.[/i:27025bc3ec] And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.&quot; (Malachi 3:10, 11).

God rewards the obedience of His people in this area with the open windows of Heaven over their finances. That means our needs are met, and we are blessed! Again, the condition is obedience to God. God will bless this, because it\'s in His covenant.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1108', '1bd9c99588', 'Psalm 12 refers to the KJB Scripture', '“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalm 12:6, 7).

How do we understand what Scripture is teaching? We must believe it, study it and compare Scripture with Scripture.

Very plainly, God’s words are pure words. They are existing presently. They are in earth. And they are, it is prophesied, purified seven times. When the Psalm was written, it was stating a truth, even though the process of purification had not outworked in time.

The purification of the Word, and specifically the seven times it occurred, is directly regarding the very words of Scripture. This in no way is limited to the Hebrew. In fact, the promise being outworked, we can discern, judge and apply, is with the English Bible.

It is related to that, because the next statement was that God would keep them. The them, very obviously, is whatever is being spoken of, being the words. This is the plain and clear reading of the King James Bible, and the simplest and fittest interpretation.

The promise is that God would keep His words. We know that He did not mean Hebrew, because he spoke about from this generation and for ever. This means that when Hebrew would not be spoken, when Hebrew manuscripts would differ very slightly, there would be one standard: this would be the standard before the return of Christ, the King James Bible.

So how are the words of the King James Bible specifically, by God’s special providence, purified seven times? First, because the King James Bible is the seventh major, ordinary, traditional and proper Protestant English Bible of the Reformation. The translators had a list of six former translations to follow when making the King James Bible, which began from Tyndale’s Bible. Each Bible Version can be considered a purification or improvement in some way.

Even more importantly, in regards to the very presentation in purity of God’s Word, we find that the King James Bible itself went through a seven-times process in its progress. There are really seven major editions of the King James Bible, which show revision in the presentation (but not the text or translation). The kinds of specific editorial revision work, which contributed to and purified the King James Bible, was the correction of press errors, the standardisation of the language (e.g. spelling), and the introduction of uniformity and regularisation in things like italics and other editorial consistencies. These editions are numbered from the first one in 1611, and the purifications within the King James Bible occurred in following editions, finalising in the Pure Cambridge Edition (which could be described as a slight Cambridge revision of the 1769 Edition — all present editions called “1769” are really slightly altered forms of the 1769 Edition, and none are exactly right except the Pure Cambridge Edition).

In this study of Scripture and application of it to history, we might find as helpful a proper dictionary, knowledge of the contents of the former Protestant English versions, and the information contained in commentaries and other teaching.

When the Scripture says, “Thou shalt keep them, O LORD”, it can be interpreted to mean that God would keep the righteous, and that God would keep the poor; however, it would be wrong to deny the plain and clear reading of the King James Bible, which refers to words. No excuse to deny this meaning, whether it is derived from scholars, or the Hebrew, or the marginal notes can be of the same weight and authority as Scripture itself, which being read plainly is fitly and properly interpreted according to its meaning, being the intended meaning of God.');
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PETER’S PROPHECY

The book of Second Peter is written to all believers (see 2 Pet. 1:1), which means that it is also written to us (see also Romans 4:15). He wrote, “THIS second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour” (2 Peter 3:1, 2).

He is telling us to remember and know the Old Testament and the New. How can we do that unless we actually have the Word of God today? And since we are to remember the very words, it must be accurate and word perfect. Moreover, he said that he was writing unto us, so he was expecting that his very letter of Second Peter would reach us intact today, even though we live far away in time and place, and use a different language.

Then he begins to prophesy, “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.” (2 Peter 3:3, 4).

The question is “Where is the promise of His coming?” The answer is: in the Bible. The problem with modern versions is that they do not properly give the promises (e.g. in Psalm 68:4 they do not say that JAH rides on the heavens). And the promises themselves are undermined in modern versions because they believe that no modern version is 100% correct, so how could all the promises therein be reliable or true?

They have, as a basis of reasoning, “for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation”. That is, what we see right now is the key to what happened in the past. I will interpret the past based on what I can see today. This is the exact opposite of walking by faith. When they walk by sight, they say, we see things continuing on like this, we see that there are many modern versions, we see that none are right, because we see that mistakes and uncertainty always occurs in the transmission of Scripture. Since all things continue today (i.e. error increases, things corrupt, known as entropy) as they must have in the past, therefore the Bible was always subject to error, and even if it was perfectly given by miraculous inspiration, it is not perfect today. The modern version view equals scoffing: they scoff at those who say that the King James Bible is perfect. So the Apostle Peter was prophesying of modern version scoffers.

He goes on, “For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.” (2 Peter 3:5–7).

Peter shows that the people who reject the perfect King James Bible are “willingly ignorant”, and that the existence of creation itself must be based on an incorrupt Word, which means that God would have a Bible that would be correct. If God can keep the physical universe from burning up until the set time, God can ensure His perfect Word be available today. If His Word is uncertain in the Earth today (modern version people believe that no Bible can be 100% correct), then how can they know whether or not God will burn them up? So either they should believe the King James Bible only, or else go into atheism.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1110', 'b2bc77830f', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;He becometh poor that dealeth [i:b2bc77830f]with [/i:b2bc77830f]a slack hand: but the hand of the diligent maketh rich.&quot; (Proverbs 10:4).

God loves diligence and hates slothfulness and slackness. It is against His nature to be slack (see 2 Peter 3:9). His children are not slack but diligent because this is the way of faith in God. To be prosperous in God means that the Christian must apply himself to the plough and God blesses this. We seek God in belief and trust Him to lead us to the green pastures. &quot;But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.&quot; (Hebrews 11:6).

&quot;The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.&quot; (Proverbs 12:24). There is a spiritual slothfulness that will not lay hold of the promises of God, nor move to do the will of God. Prosperity is the opposite of spiritual slothfulness. Agree with God today that you will be diligent in all He gives you to do - in your workplace, church, home, finances etc.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1111', '3d734de67f', 'More on &quot;before 1611&quot; and why the KJB is God\'s pur', 'It is supremely important to have faith in God, both for our salvation and for believing that He has kept and preserved His words throughout every generation as He promised to do. If you cannot believe God has kept His promise to preserve His words, then how can you believe He will keep His promise to preserve your soul?

Ask any modern version promoter if he believes the originals were given by inspiration of God. He will enthusiastically respond in the affirmative. Yes, they were inspired. Then ask him how he knows this to be true. He has never seen them because they don\'t exist. He believes it by faith. In the same way we too have faith that God both inspired His original words and that He has preserved them through history and today they are found in the King James Bible.

God fulfills His purposes in the fulness of time. He is sovereign in history and His timetable is not the same as mans. In Galatians 4:4 we read: “But when the FULNESS OF THE TIME WAS COME, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.”

One might well question why some 2000 years ago was “fulness of time” to send forth the prophesied Saviour when men had been perishing in their sins for hundreds of years previously. Yet God does all things according to His timetable in the fulness of time.

God sent the Lord Jesus Christ at the perfect time in history. When He completed what He came to do, He said, &quot;it is finished&quot; and then the work was complete. What happened through that work still lives on today.

Just as God did that with the INCARNATE Word, so He has done with His WRITTEN Word. God’s translation work for the English Bible was completed with the King James Bible. It happened in the fulness of time.

The King James Bible came at the perfect time in history, when English was at the perfect stage of development and when the hearts of the people were prepared to accept it. The Reformation and the Puritan movement were in full swing and the nations were soon to witness the greatest, world wide missionary outreach in history.

I believe in the sovereignty of God in history. &quot;For the kingdom is the LORD\'S; and He is the governor among the nations.&quot; Psalm 22:28. God has set His mark upon many things in this world that reveal His Divine hand at work in history. Why do we use the 7 day week instead of the 10 day week? Why are dates either B.C. (Before Christ) or A.D. (Anno Domini - year of our Lord)? (although the secular world is now trying in vain to change this too to BCE and CE.) England just &quot;happens to be&quot; the one nation from which we measure the true Time (Greenwich time, zero hour) and from which we measure true Position, zero longitude.

Another &quot;happy coincidence&quot; about the King James Bible is that it is the only one ever sanctioned by ruling king and his name was James, the English equivalent of the Hebrew Jacob. &quot;Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?&quot; Ecclesiastes 8:4.

In 1611 the English language was spoken by a mere 3% of the world\'s population, but today English has become the closest thing to a universal language in history. He used the King James Bible to carry His words to the far ends of the earth, where it was translated into hundreds of languages by English and American missionaries for over 300 years. The sun never set on the British empire. It was even taken to space by American astronauts and read from there.

God knew He would use England, its language and the King James Bible to accomplish all these things long before they happened. It is the only Bible God has providentially used in this way. It is the only Bible believed by thousands upon thousands of believers to be the inspired, infallible and 100% true words of God.

When the Word incarnate came to this earth, He did not come fully grown. Jesus Christ went through stages of development until He reached maturity as a man.

Even though Christ was God incarnate and sinless in nature, yet He still had to LEARN and GROW and BE MADE PERFECT in the sense of being made complete and mature.

&quot;And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.&quot; Luke 2:52

&quot;Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; &quot; Hebrews 5:8-9.

And so too it was with the Scriptures in the English language, which is the closest thing to a universal language in today’s modern world and where the pure words of God exist. Psalms 12:6-7 say: “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, PURIFIED SEVEN TIMES. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them for ever.”

I believe these seven progressive purifications of God’s words in the English language are to be found in the following major Biblical works that finally resulted in The Bible of the English speaking people: Wycliffe\'s hand copied Bible of 1395, Tyndale\'s New Testament of 1525, the first complete and printed Coverdale\'s Bible of 1535 , the Great Bible of 1539 , the Geneva Bible of 1560 and the Bishops’ Bible of 1568 . These were the 6 previous purification stages until the Bible in English was fully perfected in what was originally called simply The Holy Bible and in more modern times has became known as the Authorized Version, the King James Version or the King James Holy Bible.

Every one of these previous English Bible contained all the major disputed verses (35 to 45 entire verses in the New Testament alone) that are omitted by so many of the modern versions that follow very different underlying Greek texts and often reject the inspired Hebrew readings as well. These include such versions as the RV, ASV, RSV, NRSV, NASB, NIV, ESV, NET and Holman Standard.

The verses omitted or called into question by these modern Bible of the Month Club contradictory versions are: Matthew 12:47; 17:21; 18:11; 21:24; 23:14; Mark 7:16; 9:44, 46; 11:26; 15:28; 16:9 through 20; Luke 9:55-56; 23:19; John 5:4; 8:1 through 11; Acts 8:37; 15:34; 24:6-8; 28:29, Romans 16:24 and 1 John 5:7.

The indebtedness of the King James Bible translators to their predecessors is recognized most clearly in the Preface to the reader where they state in no uncertain terms: “Truly, good Christian reader, we never thought, from the beginning, that we should need to make a new translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one; … but TO MAKE A GOOD ONE BETTER, or OUT OF MANY GOOD ONES ONE PRINCIPAL GOOD ONE, NOT JUSTLY TO BE EXCEPTED AGAINST—that hath been our endeavour, that our mark.”

The King James Translators also wrote: &quot;Nothing is begun and perfected at the same time, and the later thoughts are the thoughts to be the wiser: so if we build upon their foundation that went before us, and being holpen by their labors, do endeavor to make better which they left so good...if they were alive would thank us...the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished.&quot;

Where was the word of God before A.D. 1611? In the same place it was before 1611 B.C.

In Matthew 4:4, Jesus says, &quot;But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.&quot;

Where was “Every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God” when Jesus said that? There was no New Testament written. The 66 book canon was far from complete when Jesus spoke these words.

Every word that they needed to live by was preserved for those living at that time. The Old Testament Scriptures in the Hebrew. But every word of God had NOT YET proceeded from the mouth of God.

Was the word of God preserved when Jesus said that? Absolutely! The word of God has always been preserved. It has not always been complete. There is a difference between &quot;preservation&quot; and &quot;completion.&quot;

And so it was with the word of God in English before A.D. 1611. It was preserved; it just wasn\'t complete in English yet. It had to be made perfect just as the Word incarnate had to be made perfect.

&quot;And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.&quot; Hebrews 5:8.

And in the fullness of time, the English Bible was made perfect in The Holy Bible, also known as the King James Version.

All of grace, Believing the Book,

Will Kinney');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1112', 'a384c0d3e3', '', 'This is article makes some excellent points!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1113', 'c44a9a1170', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'The following are my notes and Scripture references from the sermon &quot;Is the Bible a perfect book?&quot; For Traditional Pentecostals, the answer is a resounding &quot;Yes!&quot;

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 “Is the Bible a perfect book?”  by Craig Savige

1. God’s Word reflects who He is.

The Word of God comes from God, so must reflect who He is – truthful, pure, perfect, powerful, faithful. He is not a liar, so His Word will be completely correct. In English, the pure Bible is the Authorized King James Bible, the Pure Cambridge Edition.

Ps. 138:2 “thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name”

Num. 23:19a “God is not a man, that he should lie”

Tit. 1:2 “God, that cannot lie”

John 17:17 “thy word is truth”

2 Sam. 7:28 “O Lord GOD, thou art that God, and thy words be true”

Ps. 119:160 “Thy word is true from the beginning”

2. God is pure, so His Word will be pure.

Lev. 19:2 “I … God am holy”

2 Tim. 3:15,16 “holy scriptures” All Scripture is covered, so all Scripture is holy.

Ps. 119:140 “Thy word is very pure”

Prov. 30:5,6 “Every word of God is pure”

When we go to modern versions, we find impurity, error and inexactness. For example, the NIV in Lev. 11:13-20 puts a list of birds, one of which is a bat. The KJB uses the word “fowl”, which means any winged creature. There are many examples just like this.

God is all powerful and has preserved His Word throughout history, despite the presence of sin, sinful man and devils.

Ps. 12:6,7 “Thou shalt keep them”

Quote from “The Authorized King James Bible Connection”.

God supervised His Word being put into a single volume – the Bible. See Rev. 10:1,2.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1114', 'f80d03c3a3', '', 'It has been said,

&quot;Most use the 1769 Cambridge Ed.&quot;

This is incorrect (or imprecise).

First, because the Bible printed at Cambridge in 1769 was of an earlier edition type, based on the 1762 revision by Thomas Paris (or some say, F. S. Parris), which was printed by John Archdeacon (or perhaps with the name John Baskerville on it).

Second, because not only are there slight variations in various printings and editions, but deliberate alterations were made, so that the Cambridge Edition of 1762 to 1830s differs from the Victorian Cambridge from the 1830s to the early 1900s, which differs again to the Cambridge Edition which was standard for much of the twentieth century, and which differs again to the edition presently made by Cambridge called the Concord Edition.

Third, because Benjamin Blayney superintended two editions in 1769 from Oxford, which differ slightly to each other.

Fourth, because editions by Oxford (and also Eyre and Strahan) differed slightly over the years, so that in 1805 the correcting of 116 typographical errors of the 1769 had been completed (haphazardly corrected in ensuing editions).

Fifth, that in 1817 a slight revision was made by D\'Oyly and Mant of the 1805 form of the 1769 (Revision) Edition, even affecting word count.

Sixth, that the Oxford Edition of the twentieth century does differ in tiny details to that of the nineteenth.

Seventh, that while the Cambridge Edition stemming from the 1769 Edition has generally been accepted and said to be standard, the whole area has not been understood, and therefore the question &quot;which edition is the right one&quot; not answered properly, or answered rightly out of ignorance (providentially!). 

The differences and distinctions in between editions by the same publishing company are much greater than &quot;hungred&quot; versus &quot;an hungered&quot;. This is NOT a traditional Cambridge “difference”. That is, in fact, one of the least differences found in American modernised editions versus British traditional ones, where many of the American modernisations are far worse.

Of course these differences in King James Bible editions are nothing like the errors found throughout modern versions in changing the text and messing up the translation.

While I agree that the text and translation are not an issue, and that we do not want to get into straining at gnats at expence (NB!) of truth, we do want to have the best what God has provided us with, and be able to have full certainty in the very presentation of Scripture: &quot;And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.&quot; (Hab. 2:2).

&quot;For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.&quot; (Matthew 5:18).

&quot;Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.&quot; (Prov. 30:5).

&quot;He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.&quot; (Deut. 32:4).

I want to concentrate a little on the following passage:

“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalm 12:6, 7). 

How do we understand what Scripture is teaching? We must believe it, study it and compare Scripture with Scripture. 

Very plainly, God’s words are pure words. They are existing presently. They are in earth. And they are, it is prophesied, purified seven times. When the Psalm was written, it was stating a truth, even though the process of purification had not outworked in time. 

The purification of the Word, and specifically the seven times it occurred, is directly regarding the very words of Scripture. This in no way is limited to the Hebrew. In fact, the promise being outworked, we can discern, judge and apply, is with the English Bible. 

It is related to that, because the next statement was that God would keep them. The them, very obviously, is whatever is being spoken of, being the words. This is the plain and clear reading of the King James Bible, and the simplest and fittest interpretation. 

The promise is that God would keep His words. We know that He did not mean Hebrew, because he spoke about from this generation and for ever. This means that when Hebrew would not be spoken, when Hebrew manuscripts would differ very slightly, there would be one standard: this would be the standard before the return of Christ, the King James Bible. 

So how are the words of the King James Bible specifically, by God’s special providence, purified seven times? First, because the King James Bible is the seventh major, ordinary, traditional and proper Protestant English Bible of the Reformation. The translators had a list of six former translations to follow when making the King James Bible, which began from Tyndale’s Bible. Each Bible Version can be considered a purification or improvement in some way. 

Even more importantly, in regards to the very presentation in purity of God’s Word, we find that the King James Bible itself went through a seven-times process in its progress. There are really seven major editions of the King James Bible, which show revision in the presentation (but not the text or translation). The kinds of specific editorial revision work, which contributed to and purified the King James Bible, was the correction of press errors, the standardisation of the language (e.g. spelling), and the introduction of uniformity and regularisation in things like italics and other editorial consistencies. These editions are numbered from the first one in 1611, and the purifications within the King James Bible occurred in following editions, finalising in the Pure Cambridge Edition (which could be described as a slight Cambridge revision of the 1769 Edition — all present editions called “1769” are really slightly altered forms of the 1769 Edition, and none are exactly right except the Pure Cambridge Edition). 

In this study of Scripture and application of it to history, we might find as helpful a proper dictionary, knowledge of the contents of the former Protestant English versions, and the information contained in commentaries and other teaching. 

When the Scripture says, “Thou shalt keep them, O LORD”, it can be interpreted to mean that God would keep the righteous, and that God would keep the poor; however, it would be wrong to deny the plain and clear reading of the King James Bible, which refers to words. No excuse to deny this meaning, whether it is derived from scholars, or the Hebrew, or the marginal notes can be of the same weight and authority as Scripture itself, which being read plainly is fitly and properly interpreted according to its meaning, being the intended meaning of God.

Unless we have a pure and perfect presentation of God’s Word, we may not so fitly be able to answer questions like,
What is the name of God in Isaiah 9:6? &quot;Counsellor&quot; or &quot;Counseller&quot;?
Did the blind man at Jericho call Jesus the &quot;son of David&quot; or the &quot;Son of David&quot;?
Is the first witness in earth in 1 John 5:8 &quot;Spirit&quot; or &quot;spirit&quot;?
All the way to questions like,
What is the difference between “morter” and “mortar”?
What is the difference between “intreat” and “entreat”?
What is the difference between “farther” and “further”?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1115', '1570f34ffc', '', '[i:1570f34ffc]I wrote this to a modernist who disagreed with the above study.[/i:1570f34ffc]

I believe that the Psalm 12 teaching has been explained (or “answered”) already, and not just by myself. What we really observe is that if the explanation does not match with the expositional methodology and interpretative framework of those who a priori reject the King James Bible only, then of course they will rubbish an interpretation that would be consistent with the KJB being used to authenticate itself. (Circularity is required, i.e. God is true, He speaks truth, therefore when He says His Word is true, it is the truth.)

I have already pointed out that Psalm 12 has a number of applications, including, the preservation of God’s people, keeping of the poor from harm, and the keeping of God’s Word generally. It is only by going into specific details that we find that the Psalm 12 principle lines up with the major English Protestant Bibles of the Reformation. This has been brought up by some teachers, but not many, simply because there have been a variety of views within Protestantism about all sorts of things, and that some things have not come to a greater knowledge until latter (take full immersion baptism as an example).

It is also clear that someone can use the KJB and not understand everything in it, and that some have come to wrong conclusions. This in no way makes the Psalm 12 interpretation “wrong”. If those who reject the King James Bible were honest, they would say, “Since I believe that error exists, and I am subject to it, I can not be fully certain about the Psalm 12 interpretation.” Too often, this turns to, “Since I believe that error exists, and I am subject to it, I know therefore that no one can be dogmatic about their interpretation being the truth, because there is no certainty, therefore anyone who says that Psalm 12 refers to the KJB is certainly wrong.”

To accept the King James Bible only, a person has to reject the idea of all things being subject to error. In fact, it is an antichrist doctrine that has permeated most of the Church for most of the period of its existence. For example, you will look at the Bible in English and see none perfect. This is because error exists. But rather than seeing one perfect, you will see all with some error. You might believe God’s Word is true, but you would have denied that the full truth of it is somewhere in English. The best you could have is a general truth (e.g. many versions which generally contain the truth), but no specific truth, and ultimately no fully certainty of when/where any Bible is actually true. You might say that you do believe the Scripture, and are certain of fundamental truths. Yet there is always the problem of whether or not a word belongs, or what the full import or meaning of it is, or whether not a word has been wrongly altered out of history. In short, when you read that God’s words are very pure in Psalm 12, you cannot actually see them pure today... so how can you be sure that they really are pure? (And since you cannot point to a perfect Bible, or even a perfect form of Hebrew, how do you really know that God actually promised to have purified words? After all, you do not have any actual evidence that His words are pure because you cannot see them anywhere. But at least they must be pure in Heaven!)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1116', '25e478302a', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'We know that God is faithful and this characteristic is clearly reflected in the Holy Bible we have today. &quot;God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.&quot; (1 Corinthians 1:9).

Note the following: &quot;And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.&quot; (Revelation 22:6). When it is seen that God is faithful to uphold His Word, then how can anyone believe that He would allow even one of His faithful sayings to be lost or altered throughout time? Yet, this is what the modern versionists maintain. This produces a division in the thinking of people and churches suffer a division in faith and doctrine. Ultimately, without a faithful and true Bible, which is the King James Bible, then something [b:25e478302a]not faithful and not true[/b:25e478302a] will invade!

Interestingly, also in the very chapter that says that God\'s sayings are faithful and true there is this warning to all tamperers: &quot;For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.&quot; (Revelation 22:18,19).

&quot;Yet they tempted and provoked the most high God, and kept not his testimonies: But turned back, and dealt unfaithfully like their fathers: they were turned aside like a deceitful bow.&quot; (Psalm 78:56,57). The Church cannot afford to trust in unfaithful men who have turned back from going God\'s way - this is the state of the modern version scholars.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1117', '3ccfa3e688', '', 'See also www.bibleprotector.com/purecambridgeedition.htm');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1118', 'd3fc69dabb', 'The Protector, 23 November 2008', '[img:d3fc69dabb]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:d3fc69dabb]

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YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE AN ACTUAL BIBLE, NOT AN INVISIBLE ONE

“Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” (John 17:17).

Since Jesus used the present tense, saying that the Word is truth, we must be able to see that it is true in every place. Where is the inerrant and infallible Bible? It has to be without error. People cannot show a “holy” Bible if they have a Bible with uncertain readings and translation errors.

“Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.” (Psalm 119:140).

The Word of God is pure, and it is very pure. If it is something to love, then it must exist right now. Where is the pure Word which a believer can love today?

The King James Bible is pure and whatever is contained in it is God’s exact truth in purity. All the signs surrounding it and every word of it reveals the divine. It is a book, which if studied, will show that it is self authenticating, if you compare Scripture with Scripture.

“For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” (Romans 15:4).

We must have what was originally written. It must be here today. It cannot be 99% here, or 99% certain. It has to be somewhere where we can read it and learn. If we do not have a Bible which is presenting the exact words of the prophets, then this verse is lying when it said “whatsoever things were written”.

We will always find that every prophecy of the Bible is true, and we can see that in what has been fulfilled.

No one can rely on a Bible which might be wrong. The King James Bible is definitely right, and if a person approaches it by faith, God will not let them down.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1119', '53fe984fbd', 'Hearing God', '&quot;He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear [i:53fe984fbd]them [/i:53fe984fbd]not, because ye are not of God.&quot; (John 8:47)

Being born of God\'s spirit is necessary to hear and understand God\'s Word. Those who are not of the same spirit as God (unbelievers) will not hear God because their spiritual father is Satan. They are extremely susceptible to hearing the voices of devils who speak lies continually. It is by the mercy of God that sinners follow the leading of the Holy Ghost to be born again. 

Even Christians need to continually examine their hearts to determine if there are any hindrances to hearing the Lord. Things like fear, unbelief, bitterness, unforgiveness can cause a person to be dull of hearing. If a Christian acknowledges these things, wants to be rid of them and repents, God will remove them. In this way, the Christian can be an open channel to hearing God, without hindrances to following Him.

God always speaks the truth. When God speaks, it will always line up with His written Word.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1120', '8de1483cca', 'Plea for one true version', 'If Jesus was reading from the Septuagint of Isaiah 61 in Luke 4, and yet the words which Jesus spoke are true, and the commentary by Luke true, and that they were treated as the words of Isaiah, though presented in a Greek translation which doubtlessly contained version differences, are we to think that God would therefore condone different versions today?

I would suggest that God allowed for different versions and translations from the earliest times, considering that translating Scripture into a particular language often gave rise to a new version, or that there were textual variations within the Scriptures spread out in the Latin language, etc.

Moreover, at the Reformation, we find that there are minor differences in the amassed printed Greek texts, and likewise variations in Protestant translations. Each English Bible could count as a different version. And so this was the situation up to and even beyond 1611.

Since there has been different versions and translations used by God\'s people, and treated as the Word of God, and even by the Spirit called &quot;the Scripture&quot; in the New Testament (though it is important to say that the Holy Ghost was also &quot;editor&quot; in the New Testament quotes of the Old, and that by inspiration, so that no &quot;variation&quot; within the inspired Scripture is false), we must be aware not to impart full infallibility to all versions and translations collectively, but rather, because they generally agreed, or agreed in specific places, they were during and after the Early Church called Scriptures or Bibles.

The true Scripture, that is, what actually is perfectly the message of God cannot have been present in any single form or manuscript around the time of the Reformation (1517). And certainly not in any translation. Yet to project this forward in time is contrary to the nature of God and the nature of Scripture. To say that the full Word of God with the whole Canon was not fully perfect in any place in any extant roll/book at any time in earth in the years 4004 B.C. to 1610 A.D. does not mean that automatically there cannot be a perfect Bible in one form in 1611.

The argument that there is not a perfect Bible because there never was one is against the nature of God and the nature of Scripture. The argument that all sorts of varying Bibles were considered good enough by God\'s people does not mean that one can be precluded from being the best and perfect for God\'s people, or be for all of God\'s people in the latter times. Indeed, why do translators and textual critics yet labour with the Greek and Hebrew and new English works, unless they desire the state of the Bible to be better than before. If they are coming as near as to perfect truth as humanly possible that reveals the true desire of godly people to have God\'s very Word fully perfect. However, by saying &quot;humanly possible&quot; and by speaking about &quot;continuing learning and scholarship&quot; and such statements, they have erected a strong doctrine of rejection of final perfection. They are saying, all our works shall never attain to it! Yet, in this time our work is supposed to be of belief (that we may receive the full truth), not of doubt (that we cannot fully attain truth).

Notice that the Apostle Peter, in his writing to all Christians, says, &quot;THIS second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour&quot; (2 Peter 3:1, 2).

The problem is that Christians today cannot remember, nor be mindful of what exactly was spoken by the prophets nor what was written by the apostles, because there is no absolute certainty as to what the Scripture actually is. I mean that while there can be an assent to truth, there cannot be a whole embracing of truth, only truth, and particular truth, unless a person has a defined standard of truth, e.g. the KJB only. (Because even minor variations in various versions ultimately preclude one from being the very words of God where word perfection is required for its full perfection.)

&quot;Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.&quot; (2 Peter 3:3, 4).

Why is the goodness of the King James Bible and AV onlyism the object of scoffing? Because it seems to be completely wrong to a certain class of people. These are people who object and say, &quot;Where is the promise of his coming?&quot; Now, I am not talking about the doctrine of the coming of Christ as such, but the place where such a promise is sure and certain. In other words, &quot;Where is the Scripture that is 100% true in one place?&quot; And the basis for rejecting the full truth of the promise? &quot;for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.&quot; That is, since the time of the Early Church, the Scripture has been scattered, subject to copyist errors and never true in one full Bible, but that this trend will continue from the beginning to the end, namely, that there never shall be a perfect Bible at this time, because ENTROPY which is SUBJECTIVITY TO ERROR is master. (In extreme form: error is god.)

The Apostle then states, &quot;For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.&quot; (2 Peter 3:5-7).

Notice that everything was made by the Word of God. The same Word must be in existence right now, keeping creation and containing (regulating) the events of history, and be the basis for godly judgment, and be the rule which is specifically rejected by some, whereby we should be able to know who is in perdition or ungodly for their non-continuance in the truth.

&quot;But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store&quot; says the Scripture. Are we to think that the Earth is now being kept by only a Heavenly Word? Certainly this is true, but if the Earth is being kept by the Heavenly Word, would not the incorrupt Heavenly Word also allow for, even demand that the full manifestation of the Scripture in perfect form also be on Earth, especially &quot;in the last days&quot; (the context of the passage).

Again, God would not be just to have 99.9 % Scripture, and yet expect His Church to grow up into perfection in the last days (see Ephesians 4), for that full obedience of the Scripture is righteousness, everyone who is subject to only 99.9 % accurate Scripture is therefore in some degree in perdition/error/imperfection or at least not grown up into the full perfection. Is it God\'s will to keep people from growing up? (A wide knowledge of all variations, yet not having one settled one which is common for all God\'s people is not the solution. Those who have a wide knowledge also have decided for themselves what is the true meaning, not subjecting themselves to objective truth and that held in common of believing people.)

In conclusion, we should consider the providence of God. Is the providence of God at work in history limited to keeping alive various textual variations, so that we must invest our energies in attempting to discover which one is right? Or is the providence of God at work in history powerfully resolving all issues, from the Canon (God\'s people recognised that) all the way to having a right version (God\'s people likewise should recognise that). Even though Canon was not at one time fully known to the mind of men, it was known to God. We can certainly say the same for having one final and perfect form of the Scripture. It is known to God, it is written in Heaven. But I believe that it is consistent with Scripture and with the providence of God that it should also be revealed and acknowledged on Earth.

Even if the variations of Versions were not enough to fundamentally alter the message of Scripture, it would still alter in details that would, in the mind of God, and the mind of believing examination of these things, affect the infallibility and the final authority of Scripture. In the end, the choice is between: &quot;To err is human&quot; or &quot;The King James Bible is God\'s providentially appointed perfect form of Scripture for the latter days.&quot; 

It was wrong for the Pope to proclaim his infallibility or that of the Vulgate, but it is not wrong for the true Church to acknowledge the infallibility of the Spirit of God or the King James Bible. The Spirit of God would not fail to give by providence the Scripture in one final true form.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1121', '59cf7f4754', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'One of the weapons God supplies us with is &quot;the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God&quot; (Ephesians 6:17b). Not only must the Biblical preacher know what the word of God is but also there must be an understanding of how to use it.

The sword of the Spirit is used to:
- combat error
- rebuke devils and devilish ideas
- answer hard matters
- pray out situations.

The Biblical preacher must (1) know and study the Bible (2) use it in speaking and preaching to people (3) invest time into using it in spiritual warfare. Preachers must be &quot;valiant for the truth upon the earth&quot; (see Jeremiah 9:3). &quot;Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand&quot; (Psalm 149:6).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1122', '0ec03eb551', 'Calfskin Leather PCE KJB Found!', 'Was looking for a bible to give to someone as a gift whilst the plans to print PCE\'s was underway so I ordered a few different plain text bibles from the Australia TBS organisation.

Turns out the Large Print Family Bible (9CFR) lines up with all the checkpoints that Matt lists on his website, including the Ezra 2:26 Geba one.

Here\'s the bible: http://www.tbs-sales.org/site/sales/category.asp?id=138
and the Australian TBS site: http://www.trinitarianbiblesociety.org.au

I\'m not sure if all the 9CFR\'s that the TBS are supplying are all PCE\'s but the one that just got sent to me today from the Australian office is.  All their other plain text bibles, including the Windsor Text and Ruby Text were not PCE\'s.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1123', 'd49ecbba05', '', 'That\'s good. I wonder about editions with references. For example, the &quot;Pitt Minion&quot;, or &quot;Cameo&quot; with references.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1124', '8d62cd757c', '', 'I just had my friend check the bible for the Oxford/PCE differences and still all good.

I didn\'t get any of the reference bibles because I wasn\'t sure what the conclusion of your video on references was.  Are they good, bad, or not-needed?  Can the references be wrong or misleading?

I just want a bible that just has God\'s Word between the covers.  .  No thrills, no add-ons.  Just plain bible... is that too much to ask these days?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1125', '0bf374db35', '', '[quote:0bf374db35]I just want a bible that just has God\'s Word between the covers. . No thrills, no add-ons. Just plain bible... is that too much to ask these days?[/quote:0bf374db35]

That is good.

In 1611, the translators had the margins containing extra notes/readings and passage references. If you view them as &quot;helps&quot; they are helpful. If you view then as &quot;Scripture&quot; or &quot;absolute and certain interpretation&quot; you will be misled. The problem is that some people have thought the notes were &quot;improvements&quot; to the translation, or were equal and alternate to the main text. This is not the case.

The notes are good. Some of the information in them is (admittedly) &quot;bad&quot;. I\'ll give an example. At Matthew 26:26, the notes say &quot;Many Greek copies have, gave thanks&quot;. It is good that this is stated as fact. But the rendering itself is inferior (which is why it is in the margin), because &quot;blessed it&quot; is the superior rendering (confer Mark 14:22, 1 Cor. 11:23).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1126', '07a8ea3f0b', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '“Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD” (Psalm 119:1).

To be undefiled is a blessed thing. An undefiled person is unspotted from the world and its filthy ways. It is the way of God which cleanses and causes the captive to sin to walk free. But what is God’s way and where is it to be found? Clearly, the undefiled must be in it to stay undefiled.

The answer is that the way is walking in the law of the Lord, the Word of God. This is the way to be undefiled – walk in the Word of God. This means to obey it, believe it, meditate on it, and appropriate it.

Walking in the law of the Lord is a state of movement. The believer must not be content to remain at one stage in the way but must continue to grow through the Word. Much is to be done in the world. Many need to be saved. There is no excuse not to working for God by obeying His Word. The undefiled are to be the clear examples of holiness to the world. The undefiled stand out. They are morally pure. They will not compromise. They refuse the world’s standards and accept only the standards revealed in the Word of God. They “have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil” (Heb. 5:14).

A pure Word produces a pure and undefiled people. How could it be otherwise? God has done His part. He has kept His Word pure in the Earth despite Satan’s puny attempts to defile it. Now God wants us to take it into our hearts and minds, so that we are able to walk as undefiled examples of God’s grace and truth in the world.

God’s Word is supreme law in the universe (Heb. 4:12,13). This is why those who are connected with it will never fail but those who reject it and rebel against it will always fail. Thus, blessing always comes to the sincere follower of God’s laws. “The lip of truth shall be established forever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment.” (Prov. 12:19). Any doctrine, word or idea spoken contrary to God’s ways cannot stand but must inevitably succomb to the power of God’s truth! It is thus imperative to walk in the law of the Lord, which is found in the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1127', 'e502f4babf', 'Our covenant with God', 'An important lesson can be learnt from Jesus\' behaviour in this Scripture:

&quot;And when he was entered into a ship, his disciples followed him. And, behold, there arose a great tempest in the sea, insomuch that the ship was covered with the waves: but he was asleep. And his disciples came to [i:e502f4babf]him[/i:e502f4babf], and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish. And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.&quot; (Matthew 8:23-26).

It would have been very unsettling to be in that situation, having such a storm rage against them. But Jesus was not unsettled or fearful. He was absolutely certain that God honours His promises, and that no harm could come to Him because of God\'s faithfulness. So much so that He was asleep in the midst of that storm. The disciples could have appropriated this peace as well. God cared for them and wanted their safety. This is God\'s covenant: He upholds His promises when we walk according to His Word. Jesus demonstrated faith, and His faith brought calm into the situation.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1128', '9cc006289e', '', 'Since the KJB is sufficient, it does not undermine its sufficiency if it is perfect. 

Since the Scripture can have a greater meaning than what is known beforehand, and that it does not prohibit a perfect manifestation, there is no grounds to deny the doctrine of a perfect manifestation of the Scripture. 

Since God would reveal the truth, He would not have the truth only sufficiently revealed, nor would men study or seek, and yet not attain to knowledge of the perfect.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1129', '32ae264904', 'The Protector, 30 November 2008', '[img:32ae264904]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:32ae264904]

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NATIONS AND THEIR PURPOSE

Nations have been made by God for a reason. They are also judged as nations, “And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats” (Matthew 25:32).

Some nations have been used as a vehicle by Satan to further his ends, most prominently, the Roman Empire. Other nations have been used by God for the carrying forth of the Word, such as the English nation.

The relations of nations, and what occurs to them is not just random. Bible prophecy shows what is to happen. In Ezekiel 38, the Bible shows that the people of “the land of Magog”, along with other nations, such as “Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them” (Ezekiel 38:5), are to form a Northern Confederacy. The Russian leader will come into Israel with an army, but at the end of their time, they shall be greatly diminished.

Nations which do that which is right and good are blessed, “Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.” (Psalm 33:12). God had Israel as his chosen people in the Old Testament. In the New Testament, the blessing of Abraham makes blessing available for all nations.

Christians should see that the highest level of the present commission is to convert nations, and that all people in the body of Christ are part of this great effort, “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations” (Matthew 28:19a).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1130', '73609b7108', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'The term &quot;King James Bible Only&quot; is applied to those who believe they have the standard of God\'s Word in one book. It is not a term to be ashamed about, even though some use it in derision. We can ask the gainsayers: &quot;Do you have certainty? Do you have one Bible? Do you have a standard you can point to and read and understand?&quot;

&quot;That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.&quot; (Luke 1:4). God wants His people to have certainty, not confusion or uncertainty. The tradition that has come from God is one of certainty - certainty of preservation of God\'s words, certainty that God does not lie, certainty that the Gospel is clear in one Bible to be &quot;preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations&quot; (see Matthew 24:14). The Traditional Pentecostal is not a person of doubt and uncertainty but one who recognises the providence of God and His work in the Earth.

The King James Bible we have received is good and perfect and it has been given by God. &quot;Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.&quot; (James 1:17). No variableness means perfect certainty, praise the Lord.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1131', '301045fded', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'The Pentecostal pioneer John G. Lake prophesied, &quot;Now dear ones, the thing that the Spirit of God is laying deeply upon my own heart these days is the need of a settled, established state in the Lord Jesus Christ, and the movement of the Spirit worldwide is to bring into unity the children of God who will raise [i:301045fded]A Standard of Truth for the World[/i:301045fded]. Now listen! This come-together call of the Spirit is not an isolated movement. ... So God is moving in these days on a certain line. The man who has a settled, established faith in God has got that faith based on the eternal declarations of the Lord Jesus Christ and is moving in harmony with the revealed plan of God as outlined for this hour in God\'s Church Plan.&quot; (&quot;Building on a firm foundation&quot;, March 1, 1914).

It is no coincidence that this prophecy came just after the final edition of the King James Bible - the Pure Cambridge Edition circa 1900 - had come. The providence of God has been to herald what He does and those who believe can move forward in His purposes. &quot;And I took the little book out of the angel\'s hand ... And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.&quot; (Revelation 10:10,11). Thus has gone forth the proclamation of a Standard of Truth for the world.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1132', 'fbd15e128e', 'The Protector, 7 December 2008', '[img:fbd15e128e]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:fbd15e128e]

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THE WORD OF GOD TO ALL

When the King James Bible was preached to Aboriginals in Australia, William Buckley had to translate the preacher’s words into their language.

It was not until May 2007 that the first complete translation of the Bible was made into an Aboriginal language. That’s almost four months after the Bible Protector website began!

“The first to conduct a public religious service (in Melbourne) was a Wesleyan lay preacher, Henry Reed, who preached in 1835 under the trees, to John Batman, some aborigines and William Buckley ... In 1837 ... ‘A Missionary establishment for the civilising of Aboriginal Natives’ was commenced on the left bank of the Yarra, three miles from the township. ... Proceedings were interpreted by ... Buckley.” (Massey, 1967, Sowing and Reaping, BFBS.)

How did preaching to the natives take place since there was no full Bible in an Aboriginal dialect until 2007? Clearly, the Scriptures were being rendered from the King James Bible into the Aboriginal tongue, and more importantly, the natives were learning English, whereby they might know the King James Bible.

This policy was providential, even from the very foundation of the Port Phillip colony (the state of Victoria), the idea of turning people to the English language would allow them to access the King James Bible for themselves. It is not recorded as a deliberate policy in 1837, but it now should be the deliberate policy of Bible believers. This idea renders the entire Aboriginal modern version project invalid.

“By terrible things in righteousness wilt thou answer us, O God of our salvation; who art the confidence of all the ends of the earth, and of them that are afar off upon the sea” (Psalm 65:5).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1133', 'cfa6a0e04f', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', '&quot;Thy shoes [i:cfa6a0e04f]shall be [/i:cfa6a0e04f]iron and brass; and as thy days, [i:cfa6a0e04f]so shall [/i:cfa6a0e04f]thy strength [i:cfa6a0e04f]be[/i:cfa6a0e04f].&quot; (Deuteronomy 33:25)

Growing more frail as we get older does not have to be inevitable, because God has showed us it\'s possible that as our days are, so shall our strength be. God is the source of our strength, and as we wait upon Him, He renews our strength (Isaiah 40:31). This included becoming mentally sharper and stronger physically.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1134', 'c864c37b08', 'Great Testimony!', 'A precious word of testimony there Brother Tim.
God bless you and keep you and make you a blessing!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1135', 'a7522a7fa0', 'True Pentecostalism Position on Salvation', 'Hello,
  I have a question regarding the soteriology (salvation) teachings of true Pentecostalism. In comparing the two traditional platforms from which many demonitations align, is True Pentecostalisms soteriology generally Arminian rather than Calvinist?

Respectfully,
Harley');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1136', 'a92b35fe82', '', '[quote:a92b35fe82]is True Pentecostalisms soteriology generally Arminian rather than Calvinist?[/quote:a92b35fe82]

It might be called a &quot;modified Arminian&quot; position by some.

The general view is that Christ died for all, that salvation is available for all, nevertheless there are some who (according to God\'s foreknowledge) reject salvation, and that there are some who become saved, who lose their salvation because of backsliding.

There is something required by people for salvation to be effective, &quot;Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.&quot; (John 6:29). Belief will have corresponding fruits, such as a person repenting of sin and being obedient, baptized, etc.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1137', 'aebf948041', '', '[quote:aebf948041=\"bibleprotector\"][quote:aebf948041]is True Pentecostalisms soteriology generally Arminian rather than Calvinist?[/quote:aebf948041]
and that there are some who become saved, who lose their salvation because of backsliding.[/quote:aebf948041]

Thank you Matthew. 

Backsliding in the act of falling away or apostasy. Correct? Apostasy is abandonment or renunciation of one\'s religious faith or moral allegiance, as defined in Oxford\'s. Correct?

Am I correct then in saying that True Pentacostalism teaches that apostasy places a believer, a Christian, in jeopardy?

I was taugh that a truly regenerate Christian might &quot;backslide&quot; but the warning Christ gave in Matthew 7:22-23 was not to those who had truly repented, it was to those who I would describe as having the intellectual knowlege of Jesus but ignoring the &quot;...will of my Father..&quot; in verse 21.

Again, I would never want to give any approval to apostasy in any form, but having said that I recall the parable of the Prodigal Son.

Thank you again for the discussion.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1138', 'd6d7ec7341', 'Glistering and glittering', 'If we honestly and believingly take that words like &quot;glistering&quot; are exactly true, precise and correct in their place in the pure presentation of the King James Bible, and studied and examined properly, we would only respond with wonder at the very glory of the Word of God. That is why it can be said that the KJB contains &quot;glistering truths&quot;. This means that the very words that are attacked, called archaic, inconsistent, un-uniform, wrong, etc., are actually (despite the apparent foolishness of it to the minds of some) the right ones.

Someone could say, but sometimes the word from 1611 is changed now. Sometimes &quot;glistering&quot; is changed to &quot;glittering”, sometimes not. Is the King James Bible right in every place where it uses &quot;glistering&quot; or &quot;glittering” today?

First, we must see that “glittering” means reflecting the light in a bright way, while “glistering” means appearing to shine or emanate with light from another source by internal means, such as by refraction or translucence.

GLITTERING

De 32:41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me. 
Job 20:25 It is drawn, and cometh out of the body; yea, the glittering sword cometh out of his gall: terrors are upon him. 
Job 39:23 The quiver rattleth against him, the glittering spear and the shield. 
Eze 21:28 And thou, son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning the Ammonites, and concerning their reproach; even say thou, The sword, the sword is drawn: for the slaughter it is furbished, to consume because of the glittering: 
Na 3:3 The horseman lifteth up both the bright sword and the glittering spear: and there is a multitude of slain, and a great number of carcases; and there is none end of their corpses; they stumble upon their corpses: 
Hab 3:11 The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear.

GLISTERING

1Ch 29:2 Now I have prepared with all my might for the house of my God the gold for things to be made of gold, and the silver for things of silver, and the brass for things of brass, the iron for things of iron, and wood for things of wood; onyx stones, and stones to be set, glistering stones, and of divers colours, and all manner of precious stones, and marble stones in abundance. 
Lu 9:29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.

There is a difference between these words and their use. These are the primary example of “glistering truths”. Armour or weapons in the light may glitter, but the prismatic effect of precious stones and the glory of Christ caused his clothes to glister.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1139', 'fcf8394562', '', 'When a believer does not repent or embraces the apostacy, they will go out of salvation because they no longer believe. (There are not a few in this catagory who were never really saved to begin with.)

Ga 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1140', 'd36f86ed31', 'Salvation', 'Traditional Pentecostalism looks at salvation as something that is kept through perseverance in faith and belief in Christ.

If a Christian becomes lukewarm, they have not arrived at this state overnight but through a series of unbelief decisions until the spewing from the Body of Christ occurs. God is very patient right up to the time of spewing. &quot;So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.&quot; (Revelation 3:16). People can decide to leave as we see in the following: &quot;Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.&quot; (Revelation 2:4). They are not spewed out at the decision of leaving but God gives them warnings and seeks the lost sheep. The key with the prodigal son is that he &quot;came to himself&quot; (see Luke 15:17). Some take the analogy of the prodigal too far and ignore clear Scriptures that talk of what happens to the unbelieving, the backslider, the lukewarm and the fruitless.

The reality is that a person can be a branch in the vine and then taken out of the vine. This teaches the possibility of falling from grace and, if a person is fallen from grace, then they are not saved because &quot;by grace are ye saved through faith&quot; (see Ephesians 2:8). &quot;I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.&quot; (John 15:5,6). Christians [b:d36f86ed31]must abide in Christ [/b:d36f86ed31]and this means ongoing faith in Christ as Saviour and Lord.

Some may say that those who backslide were never Christians in the first place and, whilst this may be true for some, it is not the Biblical position.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1141', '5f04a69a9d', 'Cambridge University Press Concord KJ Bibles defective', 'The Trinitarian Bible Society had a lot of problems in producing Bibles in 2008. Most interestingly, there was a verse missing out of the printings, which an entire article was written about, relating that missing verse to the typographical problems.

Cambridge University Press seem to have been quite careless with these Concord Edition printings.

http://www.trinitarianbiblesociety.com/site/qr/qr583.pdf');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1142', '15b5dec296', 'Defecetive approach.', 'Yes, this happens when those doing the publishing do not look on the Bible as a holy book to be handled with reverence and in the fear of the Lord. Those who believe in the purity of the King James Bible see it as something to be jealous about (in the godly sense) - &quot;I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts&quot; (see 1 Kings 19:10).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1143', '9bfd8156d4', 'Salvation', 'I agree with Pastor Craig and Matthew. Some people who were once enlightened can abandon the Lord, which is very sad, and they can then die in a state of unrighteousness. 

One example of a backslider in the Scripture was a man who was once a companion of Paul, but who later abandoned him, because of sin (the love of the world). Paul wrote:

&quot;For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica...&quot; (2 Timothy 4:10).

He obviously loved what the world offers (which caters to the lusts of the flesh) more than the things of the Kingdom of God, and thus turned his back on the Lord. No doubt he would have seared his conscience in doing this.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1144', 'aea68435e8', 'The Protector, 14 December 2008', '[img:aea68435e8]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:aea68435e8]

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COME OUT!

“Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you” (2 Cor. 6:17).

On the 5th of November 1922, Smith Wigglesworth said, “After I was saved I joined myself up to a very lively lot of people who were full of a revival spirit, and it was marvellous how God blest. And then there came a lukewarmness and an indifference, and God said to me as clearly as anything, ‘Come out.’ I obeyed and came out. The people said, ‘We cannot understand you. We need to know why you are leaving us.’ The Plymouth brethren at that time were in a Conference. The Word of God was with them in power, the love of God was with them unveiled. Baptism by immersion was revealed to me, and when my friends saw me go into the water they said I was altogether wrong. But God had called me and I obeyed. The day came when I saw that the brethren had dropped down to the letter, all letter, dry and barren.

“At that time the Salvation Army was filled with love, filled with power, filled with zeal; every place a revival, and I joined up with them. For about six years the glory of God was there, and then the Lord said again, ‘Come out,’ and I was glad I came. It dropped right into a social movement and God has no place for a social movement. We are saved by regeneration and the man who is going on with God has no time for social reforms.

“God moved on, and at that time there were many people who were receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost without signs. Those days were ‘days of heaven on earth.’ God unfolded the truth, showed the way if sanctification by the power of the blood of Christ, and I saw in that the great inflow of the life of God. I thank God for that, but God came along again and said, ‘Come out.’ I obeyed God and went with what they called the ‘tongues’ folks; they got the credit for having further light. I saw God advancing every movement I made, and I can see even in this Pentecostal work, except we see there is a real death, God will say to us, ‘Come out.’ Unless Pentecost wakes up to shake herself free from all worldly things and comes into a place of the divine-likeness with God, we will hear the voice of God, ‘Come out’ and he will have something far better than this. I ask every one of you, will you hear the voice of God and come out? You ask, ‘What do you mean?’ Everyone of you knows without exception, there is no word for Pentecost, only being on fire. If you are not on fire, you are not in the place of regeneration. It is only the fire of God that burns up the entanglements of the world.”

On the 4th of August 1923 he said, “For many years the Lord has been moving me on and keeping me from spiritual stagnation. When I was in the Wesleyan Methodist Church I was sure I was saved and was sure I was all right. The Lord said to me, ‘Come out’ and I came out. When I was with the people known as the Brethren I was sure I was all right now. But the Lord said, ‘Come out.’ Then I went into the Salvation Army. At that time it was full of life and there were revivals everywhere. But the Salvation Army went into natural things and the great revivals that they had in those early days ceased. The Lord said to me, ‘Come out,’ and I came out. I have had to come out three times since. I believe that this Pentecostal revival that we are now in is the best thing the Lord has on the earth today, and yet I believe that God has something out of this that is going to be still better. God has no use for any man who is not hungering and thirsting for yet more of Himself and His righteousness.”

Some people seek a “new thing”. The true new thing is to abandon being “contemporary”, and “Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me” (Isaiah 46:9).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1145', '4c9302086b', '', '1 John 5:8

Wycliffe — 1380 — spirit
Tyndale — 1534 — sprete
Great — 1539 — sprete
Geneva — 1557 — sprite
Geneva (another) — spirit
Rheims — 1582 — spirit
Bishops — spirite
AV — 1611, Oxford, Concord Cambridge — Spirit
AV — 1629, 1638, 1769, PCE — spirit');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1146', '8afdab892d', 'What is Biblical preaching?', '&quot;And they remembered his words&quot; (Luke 24:8).

The Biblical preacher preaches and God opens men\'s hearts. Christ had preached to the disciples but it was only later that they remembered what He had preached. The preacher has the responsibility to pray (in preparation) and preach the Bible. God will do His part as we do ours. Some preachers fret because they think that people are not listening but this is not for them to think about. They must think about: &quot;Am I called of God to preach?&quot; If so, then God gives the enabling and the opening.

God is the Helper on whom we must rely. &quot;So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.&quot; (Hebrews 13:6).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1147', '9b2ddb5db1', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;Go, stand and speak in the temple to the people all the words of this life.&quot; (Acts 5:20).

Today, the Church is the temple of God and it is clear that in this temple, men and women must now go and speak [b:9b2ddb5db1]all [/b:9b2ddb5db1]the words of this life. &quot;In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord&quot; (Ephesians 2:21). The true Bible must be restored as the perfect standard for God\'s people, else there will be great deception, which continues even now as people listen to a fractured word.

A people divided is the result of the acceptance of a fractured word as though from God. Congregational reading is cast out, proper memorisation of the Bible disdained, Biblical doctrines watered down, false converts welcomed - all of this and much more is the result of a rejection of purity and holiness.

&quot;Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.&quot; (Psalm 119:105). The brightness of the King James Bible makes it clear as to the path to go. It is not a dark or uncertain word. &quot;Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? by taking heed thereto according to thy word.&quot; (Psalm 119:9). The King James Bible is a clean, pure word from God. How could error ever cleanse? &quot;Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.&quot; (Psalm 119:11). The King James Bible is wonderfully accurate. We want to put what is accurate into our heart. The modernists have invested much inaccuracy and error into people\'s hearts by allowing modern versions to have prominence - is it any wonder that holiness is missing?');
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At one time, the Anglophone (i.e. England, America, Australia) nations were Christianised in their culture. Although this has greatly diminished, there are yet vestiges of these old ways yet present. If their Christianity was such that it devolved to the present state, then this shows that there was imperfections in it. Perfect Christianity would never decline as the apparent state of the Church in Anglophone countries has. (If the good old days were really so good, they would have never fallen to these sort of days.)

But then, certain enemies may be recognised, not only to do with internal lack of discipline, but also those who have operated against the true religion, specifically the leftist/social revolutionary movement which promotes “human rights” and other errors, which may be linked in various ways to various evils, such as Romanism, Islam, communism, counterculture, atheism, etc.

And yet, there are many vestiges of the old ways in Australia. Christmas carols contain in them vital information about the Gospel. Bible phrases are yet in common speech. The Lord’s Prayer is recited in Parliament and on public days of commemoration. The Bible may be observed in courthouses and in libraries. Church buildings still abound, and religious education available in public schools. Even things such as the cross in the Union Jack portion of the flag may signify some portion of this heritage.

Though the Scripture says, “how are the mighty fallen!”, we have hope, for, “All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.” (Psalm 22:27). The ends of the earth cannot be non-Christian nations, but must be nations where there was once a knowledge of God. In the Gospel, this cannot be anything other than the Anglophone nations, except some other parts of the former British Empire, such as Aden (Yemen). “The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.” (Matt. 12:42).

It is not in line with Bible prophecy that the Christian witness, or Christian nations, should IN THE LONG TERM diminish, therefore, it is needful for there to be a revival of religion of the right sort. Although this is outside the present thinking of both the quasi-Christian majority and the religious minority of Australians, it needs to occur, in line with God’s counsel.

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Underwood, Queensland, p. 35, 1988.)

Present day Pentecostals must now wake up if they are ever to regain their heritage. They need to be suspicious of the various modern version philosophies, such as &quot;The oldest manuscript is the best.&quot; For example, the old manuscripts, the Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, that underlie modern versions are highly suspicious and show tampering, holes in wording, and contradictions - they only lasted because true Christians avoided them, so they were generally unused and unworn.

&quot;And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?&quot; (Luke 24:5). &quot;It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.&quot; (John 6:63). &quot;For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.&quot; (Hebrews 4:12).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1150', '973c2944a3', 'Christmas time.', 'At Christmas time we [b:973c2944a3]celebrate [/b:973c2944a3]the birth of Christ and this is good. Although I don\'t believe Christ was born on December 25, I see no reason not to celebrate the birth of the Saviour.

Our culture does mix various myths with the Christian message of man\'s need for the Saviour from sin. We must be aware of these and explain to people that the Bible is not myth or error.

Here are a couple of myth debunkers:

[b:973c2944a3]Myth [/b:973c2944a3]- Santa is not a problem for children.
[b:973c2944a3]Truth [/b:973c2944a3]- Santa is best left out of children\'s lives because lies are not right. Christ should be the one exalted - &quot;Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.&quot; (John 14:6).

[b:973c2944a3]Myth [/b:973c2944a3]- Three Magi brought gifts to Christ in a manger, just as the Catholic Nativity scenes portray.
[b:973c2944a3]Truth [/b:973c2944a3]- Christians must be people of the Bible, so the Catholic Nativity presentation should be debunked as error. The Bible does not state that there were three Magi - modern versions use the term &quot;magi&quot;, which is another term for &quot;sorcerers&quot;. [b:973c2944a3]Christ was visited by wise men (number unspecified) who visited Him in a house (not a manger).[/b:973c2944a3] &quot;Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem&quot; (Matthew 2:1) and &quot;And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him&quot; (Matthew 2:11a).

Our culture must be built on Biblical truth, not myth, error or inaccuracy. We must build our house upon the rock of Christ\'s words.');
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http://www.christiantrump...com/reformation_views.htm
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I copied the list to 
http://thetruth11187.yuku.com/reply/64394/t/Re-The-Nightmare-World-Of-Jack-T-Chick.html#reply-64394
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It is properly compartmentalized.

Reformers\' Interpretations
of Anti-Christ

    As early as the 12th century, the Waldensian dissentients outside the church identified the &quot;little horn&quot; and &quot;Man of Sin&quot; as the Roman Papacy. But even within the church, among the most learned godly men, Papacy also became increasingly identified as &quot;Anti-Christ&quot; and the &quot;Man of Sin.&quot;

Pre-Reformation Interpretations:
Date 	Name 	Reference 	Interpretation

c. 1310
	Dante Alighieri 	Rev. 17 Harlot 	Roman Church

c. 1331
	Michael of Cesena 	Rev. 17 Harlot
Antichrist 	Roman Church
Pope

c. 1345
	Johannes de Rupescissa 	Antichrist
Rev. 17 Babylon
Rev. 17 Harlot 	Pope
Roman church
Roman church

c. 1350
	Francesco Petrarch 	Rev. 17 Harlot 	Papal Court

c. 1367
	John Milicz 	Antichrist
Abomination of Desolation
Man of Sin 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy

c. 1379
	John Wycliffe 	Antichrist
Abomination of Desolation
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 17 Harlot 	Pope
Papacy
Popes
Papacy
Papacy

c. 1388
	Matthias of Janow 	Antichrist
Abomination of Desolation
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Hierarchy
Fallen Church
Present Church
Papacy
Hierarchy
Popes

c. 1389
	R. Wimbledon 	Abomination of Desolation 	Papacy

c. 1390
	John Purvey 	Antichrist
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 13 666
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Pope
Papacy
Hierarchy
Pope
Papacy
Papacy

c. 1393
	Walter Brute 	Antichrist
Abomination of Desolation
Little Horn
Man of Sin 	Papacy
Bishop of Rome
Rome
Papacy

c. 1412
	John Huss 	Antichrist
Abomination of Desolation
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Pope
Papacy
Rome
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy

c. 1497
	Girolamo Savonarola 	Antichrist
Man of Sin
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Pope
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy

Reformation Era Interpretations:
Date 	Name 	Reference 	Interpretation

1522
	Martin Luther 	Antichrist
Abomination of Desolation
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy

1543
	Philipp Melanchthon 	Antichrist
Man of Sin
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy

1545
	Andreas Osiander 	Antichrist
Abomination of Desolation
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papal Traditions
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy

1554
	Nicolaus von Amsdorf 	Antichrist
Abomination of Desolation
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papal Traditions
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy

1558
	Johann Funck 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy

1560
	Virgil Solis 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy

1570
	Georg Nigrinus 	Antichrist
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast 	Pope, Turk
Papacy
Pagan Rome
Papal Rome

1572
	David Chytraeus 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Roman Empire
Papacy

1530
	Johann Oecolampadius 	Antichrist
Little Horn 	Papacy
Papacy

1557
	Heinrich Bullinger 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Pagan Rome
Papal Rome
Roman Church
Papacy

1550
	William Tyndale 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy

1545
	George Joys 	Antichrist
Little Horn 	Papacy
Papacy

1554
	Nicholas Ridley 	Antichrist
Abomination of Desolation
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon
Rev. 17 Beast 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy

1553
	Hugh Latimer 	Antichrist 	Papacy

1582
	Thomas Cranmer 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy

1550
	John Bale 	Antichrist
Abomination of Desolation
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon
Rev. 17 Beast 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Prelates
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy

1562
	John Jewel 	Antichrist
Abomination of Desolation
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon
Rev. 17 Beast 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Rome

1587
	John Foxe 	Antichrist
Man of Sin 	Bishop of Rome
Bishop of Rome

1563
	Anglican Formulas 	Antichrist 	Papacy

1547
	John Knox 	Antichrist
Little Horn 	Church of Rome
Papacy

1593
	John Napier 	Antichrist
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon
Rev. 17 Beast 	Pope
Papacy
Latin Empire
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Latin Empire

1614
	Thomas Brightman 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Pope
Papacy
Papacy
Early Papacy
Later Papacy
Papacy
Papacy

1618
	David Pareus 	Antichrist
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Beast 	Pope &amp; Turk
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Empire

Post-Reformation Interpretations:

Date

Name

Reference

Interpretation
1600 	James I of England 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
1603 	George Downham 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
1604 	George Pacard 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Rome
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
1607 	Hugh Broughton 	Little Horn 	Antiochus
1612 	Andress Holwig 	Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast 	Papacy is also Antichrist
Papacy
1618 	Matthias Hoe 	Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Peast
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy is Antichrist
Imperial Rome
Papal Rome
Papacy
1618 	Daniel Cramer 	Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Pagan Rome
Papal Rome
Papacy
1631 	Joseph Mede 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Civil Rome
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
1643 	Johannes Gerhard 	Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Peast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Civil Rome
Papal Rome
Papacy
Papacy
1654 	Thomas Goodwin 	Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast 	Papacy
Papacy
Protestant Image
1655 	John Tillinghast 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
1664 	Henry More 	Antichrist
Little Horn 	Papacy
Papacy
1670 	William Sherwin 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
1681 	Johann H. Alsted 	Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot 	Papacy is Antichrist, Little Horn
Imperial Rome
Papal Rome
Papacy
1684 	Thomas Beverley 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
1685 	Jacques Phillipot 	Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy also Antichrist
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
1687 	Pierre Jurieu 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Eccl. Emp.
Papacy
1689 	Drue Cressener 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Hierarchy
Papacy
1699 	&quot;Mysteries ... Finished&quot; 	Antichrist 	Papacy
1700 	William Lowth 	Antichrist
Little Horn 	Papacy
Papacy
1701 	Johannes Cocceius 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Hierarchy
Papacy
1701 	Robert Fleming, Jr. 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
1702 	Georg her. Giblehr 	Antichrist
Little Horn 	Papacy
Papacy
1703 	Daniel Whitby 	Man of Sin
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Roman Church is Antichrist
Papacy
1706 	William Whiston 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
1712 	Heinrich Horch 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Rev. 13 1st Beast 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
1720 	Charles Daubux 	Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Civil Rome
Eccl Rome
Papacy
Papacy
1727 	Sir Isaac Newton 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
W. Rome
Greek Empire
Papacy
Latin Kingdom
1729 	Th. Crinsox de Bionens 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Roman Empire
Popes
Papacy
1735 	Thomas Pyle 	Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy also Little Horn
Papacy
Papacy
1740 	Johann Aal. Bengel 	Antichrist
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Jesuitism
Papacy
Papacy
1743 	Berienberg Bible 	Antichrist 	Papacy
1745 	John Willison 	Antichrist
Little Horn 	Papacy
Papacy
1754 	Thomas Newton 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
W. Rome
Papacy
Papacy
Roman Clergy
Papacy
1758 	John Gill 	Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast 	Papacy
Papacy also AntichristPapacy
1764 	John Wesley 	Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy also Antichrist
Papacy
East Empire
Papal Rome
Papacy
1768 	Johann Ph. Petri 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast 	Papacy
Turks
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
1787 	R. M. 	Antichrist 	Papacy
1787 	Hans Wood 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
East Empire
Papacy
Papacy
1793 	James Becheno 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Louis XIV
Papacy
1794 	Joseph Priestly 	Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
1795 	George Bell 	Antichrist
Little Horn 	Papacy
Papacy
1796 	Christian G. Thube 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
1797 	David Simpson 	Antichrist
Little Horn 	Papacy
Papacy
1798 	Edward King 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
1798 	Joseph Galloway 	Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 13 2nd Beast
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
France
Papacy
1798 	Richard Valpy 	Antichrist
Little Horn
Man of Sin
Rev. 13 1st Beast
Rev. 17 Harlot
Rev. 17 Babylon 	Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
Papacy
1800 	Jean G. de la Flechers 	Antichrist
Little Horn 	Papacy
Papacy');
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which has 1 Kings 7:36 missing.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1154', 'f049381d78', 'Recommended.', 'Recommended article.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1155', '8fc0bd7309', 'Cultural warfare', 'Quite appropriate reminder for this time of year: http://www.biblebelievers.com/abell_album/pages/abell-019.htm');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1156', 'f0e365941f', 'The Prosperous Church', 'There is much unbelief in the churches concerning God\'s desire to prosper His people. Thus, there is all types of explaining away of very clear Bible passages.

Those who do believe will not explain away the following but see that God wants prosperity blessing in all areas of a Christian\'s life. &quot;Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue&quot; (2 Peter 1:2,3). When it says that God &quot;hath given unto us all things&quot;, then we must take that as the truth and receive what it is saying by faith.

The reason people do not receive prosperity blessings in their lives is because (1) they don\'t believe it (2) they don\'t approach it by faith. But heed the following: &quot;But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.&quot; (Hebrews 11:6).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1157', '9e977d511b', 'The Protector, 28 December 2008', '[img:9e977d511b]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:9e977d511b]

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WELCOME! [i:9e977d511b]The Protector[/i:9e977d511b] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

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GOD’S WORK IS PERFECT: HIS PERFECT WORD IS MANIFEST

“He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.” (Deuteronomy 32:4).

Since God’s work is perfect, He is able to get His Word manifested perfectly in history. We see that the King James Bible is the fulfilment of God’s promise.

1. That the KJB is not only an independent form of the Received Text, but the final form of it, gathered from its scattered state.

2. That the KJB is not only a good, or the best translation in English, but perfect sense-for-sense.

3. That the KJB is not only the best Bible of all in the world while there are good Bibles everywhere, but is destined to be the Bible for all nations and be &quot;supersuccessionary&quot; to all forms of Scripture in use.

4. That the presentation in the editions of the KJB is important, in that the process of editing over the years has been one overall of purification.

5. That out of the varying editions of the KJB, there is only one edition to be regarded as standard.

6. That it is possible to present the standard edition in complete scrupulous correction even to the typography.

7. That every word, letter and punctuation mark being in the right place, altogether, the entire Scripture is revealed in its divine perfection for the exact and particular message it conveys, which is able to be accessed fully and utterly now in one book made standard for all the world.

A perfect Bible did not exist in history at the beginning, but only in the last part of Church history. This is because God did not work instantly to manifest it, but brought it about after the working of the furnace of earth, which took time: “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalm 12:6, 7).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1624', 'a88985b018', 'Fifth Draft of GUIDE TO THE PCE now available', 'The fifth draft of THE GUIDE TO THE PURE CAMBRIDGE EDITION by Matthew Verschuur (bibleprotector) is now available free online.

http://www.bibleprotector.com/Guide_to_the_PCE_draft_0-5.pdf (2.14MB). 

This book aims to give a comprehensive overview of the King James Bible, focusing particularly on the Pure Cambridge Edition. This incomplete volume has 551 pages of goodness. 

So far, this book goes through several key areas: 

1. The history of the Bible all the way to the Pure Cambridge Edition 
2. The origin and outworking destiny of the Church in relation to the Scripture 
3. The use of the English language and its connection with the Bible and world evangelism
4. The way by which the Pure Cambridge Edition is becoming universal 

Several important appendices have also been supplied, showing word differences in the King James Bible and between editions, revealing that while no textual or translation change has been made in the Pure Cambridge Edition, that having the right edition is still important when comparing to others, which may contain perpetuated typographical errors, unstandardised language and other anomalies in regard to required regularisation. 

New to the fifth draft is the section on communication technology. This section deals with the way the King James Bible has and is being distributed.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1159', 'beed90aca1', 'Our covenant with God', 'A Christian needs to firmly stand in faith to see covenant blessings manifested in their life. Firstly, because many oppose themselves in various ways (eg. through disobedience, being too busy to listen to God etc) which creates a blockage to receiving the benefits of God. Secondly, because the devil is a thief and a robber who will try and steal the Word out of people\'s hearts so it doesn\'t take root and subsequently manifest the blessing in the believer\'s life. 

&quot;And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.&quot; (Matthew 11:12).

Christians should thankfully and forcefully take what has been provided for them in the covenant. 

&quot;Blessed [i:beed90aca1]be [/i:beed90aca1]the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [i:beed90aca1]places [/i:beed90aca1]in Christ...&quot; (Ephesians 1:3).

All spiritual blessings pertain to both spiritual and material needs.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1160', '2222bb7491', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'The words of God provide a firm foundation for holiness in the Church or house of God. Without such, the churches become weak in the area of holiness, which affects doctrine and godliness. &quot;Thy testimonies are very sure: holiness becometh thine house, O LORD, for ever.&quot; (Psalm 93:5).

Note that God\'s testimonies are sure. These testimonies are found in the Holy Bible, not in any error-ridden book. The King James Bible is the Holy Bible for today and traditional Pentecostals hold to this as sure. The colon after sure in this verse leads on into the statement about holiness, which can be seen to influence how the Church is today. No surety in the Bible means no surety in holiness. This is a very serious issue.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1161', '5a34e2cc34', 'Which ONE KJV edition is the infallible ONE?', 'Doug Kutilek, a venomous anti-King James Bible only writer, has now been answered.

HE CLAIMS:

[quote:5a34e2cc34]I have repeatedly challenged those who claim to have &quot;the final authority&quot; in their hand and mock the very idea of the &quot;original authority&quot; view. My challenge is this: &quot;Which ONE KJV edition is the infallible ONE?&quot; There is no &quot;wiggle room&quot; here. We are told by the KJVO faction that &quot;God wrote only one Bible&quot; and that &quot;things which differ are not the same.&quot; So, tell me straight out: which one KJV edition is the infallible one. It must be only one (if any at all), not two or three, or the KJV editions taken collectively. It must be just one. Until you can with certainty identify it for us, the objections raised against those who appeal to the &quot;originals&quot; as their final authority is entirely discredited.[/quote:5a34e2cc34]

ANSWER:

The King James Bible in all traditional editions has the same underlying text and translation, therefore differences between editions are only printer\'s errors, the state of the standardisation of the language, and toe degree of regularisation. Such problems still continue to exist in editions not conformed to the Pure Cambridge Edition. However, the Pure Cambridge Edition is the exact presentation and representative to be made standard of the KJB.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1162', '8ec83e32b0', 'The Protector, 4 January 2009', '[img:8ec83e32b0]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:8ec83e32b0]

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INTRODUCTION TO THE VIALS PROPHECY — PART 1

In Revelation chapters 15 and 16, a prophecy is given concerning the seven last plagues, symbolised by angels pouring out vials of God’s wrath. This prophecy shows a sequence of events where each vial culminates in the consuming of the antichrist power.

These vials are commonly interpreted to take place within a few years during the Great Tribulation before the return of Christ at Armageddon. This future interpretation shows how the judgment of God is to come against the Antichrist world system.

However, this is not the only interpretation. The same chapters can also be taken to be fulfilled throughout history. In fact, there is a sequence of events in history which match up to the seven vials. Revelation 1:1 says, “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John”.

* “shortly” means in short time after it was written, not just at the end of the world.
* “signified” means that all the things are symbols, not just literal events.

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Since the chapters can be interpreted both ways, it is an example of where prophecy comes to pass twice in two different ways. This can be shown by many examples in the Bible.

The seven vials are:
1. On earth, sores on men
2. On sea, blood and death
3. On rivers, drinking water to blood
4. On sun, scorching
5. On seat of the beast, darkness
6. On Euphrates, preparation of the way, deceiving, Armageddon
7. In air, mighty earthquake, great hailstones

We could read those verses as if there really are going to massive natural disasters, which is the future view, but we can also see that each of these things are symbolical. In fact, it is vital to know the historical view of the prophecy, or else the future view might be wrong.

Historical prophecy shows that the Papacy is an antichrist. This means that the future form of Romanism must be present in the future fulfilment of the prophecy. Already many people have been explaining away how Roman Catholicism is not evil, or part of the same Church as Protestants. This is a great lie and deception.

The truth is that if God’s judgment has come against the Papacy and evil works in history, so likewise would God’s judgment come upon the future Antichrist’s world during the Great Tribulation. It should not be a “historicist versus futurist” argument, but one of seeking to properly harmonise these views.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1163', '3e0909f23e', '', 'I can confirm what vicks is saying about the TBS Calfskin Family Bible.  I also have a copy of this Bible and vicks\'s post prompted me to check this.  This TBS Calfskin Bible has the exact same pagination and text size as my Cambridge plain text large print hardback Bible.  In fact it looks like it came off the exact same press plates.  However I can find only one difference.  My Cambridge plain text large print hardback has &quot;Spirit&quot; in 1 John 5:8 while the TBS Calfskin Family Bible has &quot;spirit&quot; in 1 John 5:8.  I did not bother to check the TBS Calfskin because the pagination was clearly identical.  Thanks to vicks I know there is a different and I am pleasantly suprised that this superb Bible is a PCE.  The text is very clear, large and the paper is as opaque as I have seen.  Much better than the hardback Cambridge.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1164', 'bf96071a25', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'It is no suprise that the greatest opposition to the concept of a perfect Bible today comes from the churches themselves. The parallel between the King James Bible Only Movement and the Young Earth Creationist Movement is very interesting. Note the following:
(1) Both movements were not necessary when the Church held naturally to the doctrines the movements espouse. ie. Bible believing churches held inherently to the KJB as the only true Bible and they held to a literal interpretation of Genesis.
(2) Both movements have come into being because of the necessity to tell the Church to turn away from unbelief and liberalism.
(3) Both movements have many differing Christians in their midst.
(4) Both movements have refined to be more exact in their answering of skeptics and those in unbelief.
(5) Both are important for re-establishing a fundamentalist view of the Bible in the Church.
(6) Both see that apostasy has come into the churches through the acceptance of liberal doctrines.

&quot;Much opposition to the creation ministry [read &quot;[b:bf96071a25]King James Bible Only ministry[/b:bf96071a25]&quot;] comes from within the church, particularly those who have compromised with evolutionism [read &quot;[b:bf96071a25]modern versions[/b:bf96071a25]&quot;] and those who hold to liberal theology.&quot; (Ken Ham, &quot;The Lie Evolution&quot;, Master Books, 1987, p.113.).

&quot;If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?&quot; (Psalm 11:3).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1165', '400d9f4073', '', 'If you live in the UK, I have found the TBS Calfskin at eden.co.uk, and it costs GBP 55.00

[url]http://www.eden.co.uk/shop/family-bible-authorised-king-james-version-containing-the-old-and-new-testaments-large-type-family-bible-with-family-record-pages-1171833.html[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1166', 'f5cefd7947', '', 'In the United States, it is available for USD 98.50 from STL Distribution North America.

[url]http://www.stl-distribution.com/details/?id=9780907861591[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1167', '5349d54237', 'Thanks.', 'Thanks to your all. Your research is very valuable for those wanting to own and use a PCE King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1168', 'f9379180e8', 'Hearing God and obeying Him at all times', '&quot;Let not thine heart envy sinners: but [i:f9379180e8]be thou [/i:f9379180e8]in the fear of the LORD all the day long.&quot; (Proverbs 23:17).

The Scripture shows that it\'s important to be in the fear of the Lord all day. This involves listening to His correction and guidance as He speaks and brings the Word of God to our remembrance.  He also gives warnings, to prevent us from falling into snares that the devil has pre-arranged. When warnings are heeded, a Christian can bypass and be delivered from all snares. Being in the fear of the Lord involves hating evil.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1169', 'c83b5a5591', 'PCE Available Now', 'Sure is great to finally find a few places to get [lambano] the PCE.
I ordered the one from the Trinitarian Bible Society. A total of 127.89 Canadian.
Hope it is the real deal.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1170', '02f065177c', 'KJB With Variant Critical Notes', 'I was going through a box of King James Bibles to send to the Philippines and found a KJB that is full of critical notes in the text. [Variorum Teacher\'s Bible]
By Eyre and Spottiswoode ; Appendix of 1877
The Preface is 1880

For 1 Timothy 3:16 the notes state....
[quote]VAR. READ.-V. 16   B  So Ncorr  [a late hand]
Acorr Cc Dc; Who N* A* C*, Memph. Theh., Orig. Edd.,
Which D*, OL. Vulg. Pesh.; [the mystery who....
= the mystery, that is Christ who.....Al.; thus
Da translates great is the mystery in him who
was manifested......; De W. El. and others suppose
the words who....glory to be quoted from some
well-known hymn or confession of faith of the early
church-great is the mystery of godliness: \'who
was manifested....\'; so WH.]
*******
These type of notes are on every page.
Often half of the page is full of these critical notes.
I had no idea that I had this puppy.
*******
About finding rare Bibles...I have a large Family Bible that has the OT and then two NTs.
The OT is King James and the NTs are King James and RV.
*******
PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1171', '5d94e913dd', '', 'Note that Cambridge/TBS have updated their PCEs to Concords, which means that the same Bible that was a PCE would now be a Concord, possibly having even the same product code/format.

One person can happen to get an old copy which is PCE, while another person getting the same one from another country gets a Concord, because they have newer stock. It depends who the supplier is, and where they have older or new copies in stock.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1172', '5d04ba1a7f', '', 'Note that Cambridge/TBS have changed to the Concord edition, which means that if you happen to order from a place that has the old copies, it will be PCE, otherwise you will end up getting a Concord. It could be called by the same name, e.g. &quot;Black Leather Pitt Minion&quot; or &quot;Calfskin Leather Large Print Plain Family&quot; or whatever. If they happen to have old ones at their warehouse/store they will be PCE, but if newer, they will not be PCE.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1173', '0624d97b00', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.&quot; (1 Timothy 3:15).

Since the Church is the pillar and ground of the truth, then it should be upholding the truth, especially when dealing with the nature of God.

I was once asked what is the greatest argument against the modern versions. I replied that the modern versions represent a position that is essentially contradictory to the nature of God. We can see this through some clear areas:
(1) God is almighty. &quot;And God said unto him, I am God Almighty&quot; (Genesis 35:11a). Yet, the position of the modern versionists is that God was not powerful enough to preserve His words perfectly on the Earth through the translation process, even though He put them perfectly into the originals.
(2) God is truth. &quot;Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.&quot; (John 14:6). Yet, the modern versionist position is that it doesn\'t matter if one &quot;bible&quot; version differs from another - they even admit errors in the different modern versions.
(3) &quot;For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:33). Yet, the modern versionists think that the hundreds of modern versions with their confusing array of differences come from God.
(4) God is not a liar. &quot;God is not a man, that he should lie&quot; (Numbers 23:19a). Yet, modern versionists see no problems with allowing contradictory and erroneous books each claiming to be the Word of God.

Let the Church wake up and &quot;Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.&quot; (Isaiah 34:16). That book of the Lord for Christians is the King James Bible. It contains words of certainty: &quot;Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?&quot; (Proverbs 22:20,21).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1174', '2e31131b9d', '', 'I have my great grandfathers very large family Bible.  It has the KJB and the RV side by side parallel format, O.T. and N.T.  My father told me that he had said that he had read it twice and did not believe a word of it.  I can be sure that he believes it now. there is no publisher llisted that I can find.  The Bible is over 100 years old.
                                                         Elmo Butler');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1175', '82f5ca4728', '', 'I ordered my TBS calfskin Family Bible from Gail Riplingers website and it is a PCE:

https://shop.avpublications.com/product_info.php?cPath=26&amp;products_id=235&amp;osCsid=89a1b1c058dfe31dce272d30098be6f5');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1176', 'abec2cdee9', '', 'I have an &quot;interlinear Bible&quot; which is the KJB with RV edits written in the text, and where they differ, the RV writing is superscript and the KJB is subscript. They probably think that a person can &quot;pick which reading they want&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1177', '3df5d0aad9', '', 'That\'s good.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1178', 'bd89e6f148', 'The Protector, 11 January 2009', '[img:bd89e6f148]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:bd89e6f148]

[color=red:bd89e6f148]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:bd89e6f148]

WELCOME! [i:bd89e6f148]The Protector[/i:bd89e6f148] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:bd89e6f148][color=darkblue:bd89e6f148]EDITORIAL[/color:bd89e6f148][/size:bd89e6f148]

INTRODUCTION TO THE VIALS PROPHECY — PART 2

It is clear that the book of Revelation is pointing to a future time when God’s wrath is poured out. But Bible prophecy can have more than one valid interpretation. This is important in Revelation, because it shows the antichrist in history as well as at the end. Much of Revelation has already been fulfilled once in history. The Seven Vials Prophecy in Revelation 16 is currently being fulfilled. It is worth having a look at this.

“And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.” (Revelation 16:1).

The vials are poured out in order, and are designed to consume the antichrist. The historical antichrist is the line of popes. It is very clear that there are exactly 1260 years where the Popes were in their power. For more information, read:

[url]www.bibleprotector.com/AN_INTRODUCTION_TO_THE_1260_DAYS_PROPHECY.pdf[/url]

But the French Revolution occurred, and this led to the first vial:

“And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.” (Revelation 16:2).

The French Revolution was very bloody, and caused a massive social and political upheaval across Europe. More importantly, the French (under Napoleon) wrested Egypt from Turkish control, and a French army also marched upon Rome, took the Pope prisoner and declared Rome a republic.

The scourge of the French Revolution was felt by all Papists everywhere. Suddenly their whole religion, their Papistry and superstitions were under great attack.

Half a world away, Australia was being colonised by Protestant (and anti-French) British men and women. “In 1798 eleven missionaries arrived [in New South Wales] ... They were members of the London Missionary Society, [which had been] founded three years earlier by the Nonconformist denominations to minister to the heathens. The advent of Methodist and Congregationalist preachers brought a less formal and hierarchical religion with a stronger emphasis on individual conversion and salvation. Whereas Samuel Marsdon, the leading Anglican minister, thundered from the magistrate’s bench as well from the pulpit against the depravity of the felons, these Nonconformists sought to reclaim the sinner to godliness.” (Cambridge Concise History of Australia).

“And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.” (Revelation 16:3).

The power behind the Romanist nations, their grand navies, were dealt severe blows by the British in the second vial. Commentators have pointed to Lord Nelson’s three mighty victories — of the Nile in 1798, of Copenhagen in 1801, and, in 1805, of Trafalgar.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1179', '502282d176', '', 'Here are the details about the TBS Calfskin Family Bible:

It was published by the TBS in November 1997

ISBN-10: 0907861598

ISBN-13: 9780907861591

If you get a later edition of the TBS Calfskin Family Bible, the ISBN numbers will be different, and it will have a later publishing date.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1180', '6fc151c5ca', 'It\'s PCE!', 'Matthew,
Just got the Trinitarian King James calfskin large print Family Bible.
code#9CFR ISBN 9780907861591
Took only three days. From Chilliwack, B.C. Canada.
It was &quot;Produced by CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY PRESS&quot; for the 
Trinitarian Bible Society.
All 12 indicator verses were 100% including the variants.
The only one I am not sure of is Amminadib with the &quot;-&quot; marks.
This being a pronunciation marked book, for names.
Should the dash marks be long, short, long?
Or short, short,short?
This one appears to be short, short, short.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1181', 'b0b2adbdbc', '', 'Amminadib does not affect whether a Bible is PCE or not. It is just a hyphen difference. It should have no hyphens, but in pronouncing form should be &quot;Am-min\'-a-dib&quot;, all hyphens the same size (short, short, short).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1182', '6127bd2b7d', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', '&quot;And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man\'s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.&quot; (1 Corinthians 2:4,5).

Traditional Pentecostals have made much of operating in the power of God and rightly so but it is imperative that the basis of this is &quot;not with enticing words of man\'s wisdom&quot;. Perhaps this explains the powerlessness of much of the present Pentecostal sphere as adherence to modernism and modern versions has taken hold. The trend of correcting the King James Bible, even when it is used for preaching, is an undermining trend that causes people to lack trust in the clear readings they hear preached.

Our faith does not stand in the wisdom of men but in what God has said and clear those words are! &quot;So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.&quot; (Romans 10:17).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1183', 'c10923d5fa', 'Our covenant with God', 'The Bible reveals in Genesis how God established His covenant with Abraham, and blessed Abraham greatly spiritually and materially. Abraham walked in covenant with God through obedience, and by the demonstration of faith and patience. 

&quot;Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.&quot; (Genesis 17:5-7)

Born-again Christians are partakers of the blessings of this covenant God established with Abraham because we are the spiritual heirs of Abraham.

&quot;So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.&quot; (Galatians 3:9).

&quot;And if ye [i:c10923d5fa]be [/i:c10923d5fa]Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.&quot; (Galatians 3:29).

From the example of Abraham\'s life we can see that the covenant includes prosperity, increase, provision and a blessed destiny in God. There\'s a lot to rejoice about in the fact that we have a covenant with God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1184', 'e4af92e6ac', 'New easy lessons available', 'At www.bibleprotector.com there are four basic introductory lessons to the King James Bible.

¶ LINE UPON LINE

Free lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible. Read online or download for study.

LESSON ONE — THE BIBLE IS IMPORTANT
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/LUL01.pdf[/url] 
LESSON TWO — INSPIRATION AND PRESERVATION
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/LUL02.pdf[/url]
LESSON THREE — GATHERING INTO ONE
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/LUL03.pdf[/url]
LESSON FOUR — STANDING FOR PURITY
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/LUL04.pdf[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1185', 'd88b9dbdb3', 'The Protector, 18 January 2009', '[img:d88b9dbdb3]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:d88b9dbdb3]

[color=red:d88b9dbdb3]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:d88b9dbdb3]

WELCOME! [i:d88b9dbdb3]The Protector[/i:d88b9dbdb3] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:d88b9dbdb3][color=darkblue:d88b9dbdb3]EDITORIAL[/color:d88b9dbdb3][/size:d88b9dbdb3]

INTRODUCTION TO THE VIALS PROPHECY — PART 3

Revelation chapter 16 shows the outpouring of the wrath of God on the Papacy (its doctrines and supporters) in history.

“And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.” (Revelation 16:4).

The French fought in the Alps against the Austrians, the battles literally caused streams to run with blood, but the symbolism is that the fountains of power of the Papacy were being destroyed.

“And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.” (Revelation 16:5, 6).

It is no coincidence that the very valleys where Roman Catholics had persecuted and martyred the pre-Reformation Christians were the same valleys which now were the scenes of battle and blood. B. W. Johnson wrote, “This very region was the home of the Albigenses [Waldenses]. Against them the Papacy had hurled its fanatical legions from generation to generation. The blood of the Protestants of the Alps had for centuries dyed the rocks and streams with crimson. One of the mightiest services that Oliver Cromwell did for the human race, was to announce to the Pope of Rome that unless he called off his wolves from preying upon the flock of God in Piedmont, the cannon of a Puritan army should teach him mercy around the castle of St. Angelo. This river region is then a theatre of persecution.” (Vision of the Ages, 1881, http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/texts/bjohnson/vota/VOTA00.HTM ).

In 1800 the Austrians and Russians were in Italy, fighting against the French. Napoleon crossed the Alps and fought against them in Piedmont.

“And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.” (Revelation 16:8, 9).

Napoleon Bonaparte rose in power, and “the Pope was without temporal possessions. The imprisoned hierarch was not only shorn of his worldly estates, but was compelled to sign a compact by which he gave up the power of appointing bishops in the French empire to Napoleon. It was only when the power of Napoleon was broken that he was permitted to return to his pillaged city, to reascend a throne and to grasp a broken sceptre. Napoleon had broken the spell of Rome. He taught the world that the power of the Popes might be successfully dared. The terror of Papal bulls, anathemas and interdicts, was then dispelled forever. Since his day the Pope has ceased to be the most powerful factor in the history of nations.” (Johnson).

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Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1186', '4725ceb4b0', 'Faith', '[quote:4725ceb4b0]Now, I very well know how much it might seem like a challenge, or how it might seem objectionable, or how saying these types of things could appear to be counter what has been.[/quote:4725ceb4b0]
This is the faith way, namely that we should know what the will of God is and follow it, even if that path is initially hard. There are those without faith, of course, who will seek to undermine and gainsay but those led by the Spirit of God will understand the way ahead. &quot;And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.&quot; (2 Thessalonians 3:2).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1187', 'e5aeaca8ae', 'Pure Cambridge Edition Bible Showcase', 'I thought it would be good to have a list of KJV Bibles that we know are PCE or near PCE, and
to give information about them here on this forum thread.

----------------
Cambridge Bibles
----------------

The best Cambridge Bibles are the Large Print Text Editions, available in Hardback and French
Morocco leather. The text is 10-10.5 point Petit Medieval Clarendon 1159. The ISBN-13 numbers
are:

HARDBACK (ISBN-13: 9780521163347)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ABookSources&amp;isbn=9780521163347

FRENCH MOROCCO BLACK (ISBN-13: 9780521508810)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ABookSources&amp;isbn=9780521508810

FRENCH MOROCCO BURGUNDY (ISBN-13: 9780521508803)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ABookSources&amp;isbn=9780521508803

Also the TBS Calfskin Family Bible has the same Cambridge Large Print Text, and so it is
listed here:

TBS CALFSKIN FAMILY BIBLE (ISBN: 9780907861591)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ABookSources&amp;isbn=9780907861591

If you want to know more about the Cambridge Large Print Text Editions, their website is:
http://www.cambridge.org/uk/bibles/kjv/largeprint.htm

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Collins Bibles
---------------

The best Collins Bibles that are nearest to the PCE are the ones that have the
1957 Iona Clear Type Text, and they include the Popular Award Paperback and Black
Leather Editions:

POPULAR AWARD (ISBN-13: 9780007103072)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ABookSources&amp;isbn=9780007103072

BLACK LEATHER BIBLE (ISBN-13: 9780007259762)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ABookSources&amp;isbn=9780007259762

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Pocket Bibles
--------------

A list of some Pocket Bibles:

WORLD POCKET BIBLE (ISBN-13: 9780529058379)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ABookSources&amp;isbn=9780529058379

WORLD POCKET BIBLE (ISBN-13: 9780529058386)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ABookSources&amp;isbn=9780529058386

WORLD POCKET BIBLE (ISBN-13: 9780529060587)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ABookSources&amp;isbn=9780529060587

COLLINS GEM POCKET BIBLE WS801 (ISBN-13: 9780005105139)
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ABookSources&amp;isbn=9780005105139

--------------------------');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1188', '6498eee69d', 'The Prosperous Church', '&quot;He that hath a bountiful eye shall be blessed; for he giveth of his bread to the poor.&quot; (Proverbs 22:9).

The &quot;bountiful eye&quot; of the righteous speaks about an eye that looks for opportunities to do good through giving. The giver must have in order to give, this having come from God Himself. People must not turn away from helping the poor. There must be a giving in the plan of God - this giving is of both the physical bread and the spiritual bread to the poor. The words of God must be fed to the poor at the same time, else the giver is not bringing the most important thing, namely the feeding of the inner man. &quot;And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.&quot; (Luke 4:4). &quot;And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.&quot; (John 6:35).

Neglect of godly opportunities to give is a way that leads to poverty and the Christian would do well to heed this. &quot;He that oppresseth the poor to increase his [i:6498eee69d]riches[/i:6498eee69d], [i:6498eee69d]and [/i:6498eee69d]he that giveth to the rich, [i:6498eee69d]shall [/i:6498eee69d]surely [i:6498eee69d]come [/i:6498eee69d]to want.&quot; (Proverbs 22:16).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1189', 'c35fa5f724', '', 'Not all these may be PCE.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1191', 'cdbbc905ec', 'The Protector, 25 January 2009', '[img:cdbbc905ec]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:cdbbc905ec]

[color=red:cdbbc905ec]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:cdbbc905ec]

WELCOME! [i:cdbbc905ec]The Protector[/i:cdbbc905ec] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:cdbbc905ec][color=darkblue:cdbbc905ec]EDITORIAL[/color:cdbbc905ec][/size:cdbbc905ec]

INTRODUCTION TO THE VIALS PROPHECY — PART 4

Revelation chapter 16 shows the outpouring of the wrath of God on the Papacy (its doctrines and supporters) in history.

The first four vials are related to events which happened during the Napoleonic wars. 

“And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.” (Revelation 16:10, 11).

The darkness specifically links to the events in Rome in 1870. The First Vatican Council was in progress, where the cardinals were declaring the “infallibility of the Pope”. The Italian nationalists captured Rome, and dispossessed the Pope (who retreated into the Vatican).

The darkness also manifested in the rise of secularist education throughout the world, which greatly diminished the power of religion in education, thus, invoking a darkness. Likewise the darkness of atheism and humanism advanced. Furthermore, the darkness of various mysticisms and philosophies like theosophy manifested.

The outworking of the fifth vial has been far reaching, particularly with modernism, postmodernism and the proliferation of new age and Satanism in Italy, all of which has drawn many from Roman Catholicism and the Pope’s control.

It is ironic (but not surprising) that the Papacy afterward has embraced the evolutionary view of science and history, “O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called” (1 Timothy 6:20).

See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_and_the_Roman_Catholic_Church

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YouTube Video Clips
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Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

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Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1190', 'ca8900281a', '', 'Where to get the Pure Cambridge Edition. This information is subject to change, and needs to be added to.

WHERE TO GET PRINTED COPIES OF THE PCE

Cambridge. Pitt Minion. Allen’s Bible Direct.

http://www.bibles-direct.com/category.phtml?Category=37

http://www.bibles-direct.com/category.phtml?Category=68

Collins. Popular. Pronouncing, Plain Text. Budget.

ISBN 0007103077
ISBN 0-00-710307-7
Collins KJV Popular is available through good online book sellers or a local bookstore.

Collins. Popular. Pronouncing, Plain Text. Leather.

ISBN 000725976x
ISBN 0-00-725976-x
Collins KJV Popular is available through good online book sellers or a local bookstore.

Bible Protector
Has a self-published form, suitable for personal research into the area. Aims to produce high quality presentations.

http://www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm

WHERE TO DOWNLOAD THE PCE (FREE)

Bible Protector
http://www.bibleprotector.com
1. MSWORD
2. PDF
3. Plain Text
A plain text file of the King James Bible with ASCII style formatting is here: www.bibleprotector.com/TEXT-PCE.zip
See also http://bibleprotector.99k.org

WHERE TO READ THE PCE ONLINE (HTML)

Brandon Stagg’s av1611.com
http://av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-bible-text/index.html
Searchable.

University of Virginia (based on a CD-ROM from Oxford University)
http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/kjv.browse.html 
(Some tiny typographical errors in the text)

Univerity of Michigan
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/kjv/index.html 
Searchable. (Some tiny typographical errors in text)

Other sites
http://kjv1611.mobi/index.html
http://www.biblicalproportions.com/modules/ol_bible/
http://www.getbackontrack.org/content/cc/bible/

PCE MODULES OF BIBLE SOFTWARE/PROGRAMS

SwordSearcher
http://www.swordsearcher.com
Downloadable program (free trial offered) with many additional features, including Strongs, commentaries, etc., has PCE as a module for version 5.2, has the PCE for versions after 5.2, fully searchable, five stars!

eSword
www.e-sword.net 
Online and also downloadable Bible software program &quot;e-Sword&quot; now has a Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible module available for it, compiled by Ben Krueger. 
Module here: www.bibleprotector.com/KJB-PCE_e-sword.zip 
More information (you may need to become a member of this e-sword fan group to read posts there): http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSword/ 
File location there: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSword...ord%20Content/ 
(The module is likely to contain technical flaws, such as a space after the word &quot;LORD&quot;).
__________________
http://www.bibleprotector.com');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1192', '51ca9493b7', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', 'Here are some notes from a sermon I preached entitled &quot;Healing for the whole man.&quot;

3 John 2		Healing is linked to our believing. 
                                The \'prosperity of our soul.\'
Eph. 6:10		Believe that we are strong in the Lord.
Ps. 103:2–5	God deals with the spirit and body. 
                                Believe that He blesses us with His benefits.
James 5:14–16          God wants us healthy.
Prov. 3:1, 2, 5–8	Obedience is integral to wholeness.
John 5:3–9		Whole means there\'s nothing lacking.
Matt. 8:17		Jesus bore our sicknesses.
1 Peter 2:24              Jesus was made a curse for us, as our substitute.
Gal. 3:13		The pure and holy God took evil upon Himself.
1 Thess. 4:12	God\'s will is for us to lack nothing.
Ps. 34:9, 10	Good things include a strong body.
Nehem. 9:19–21	God is able to meet all of our needs, like He did with the Children of Israel.
Is. 26:3		God has provided for peace of mind.
Acts 10:38		God brings healing from oppression.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1193', '284060c4a9', 'The Bible Protector website has been up for two years!', 'The Bible Protector website has been up for two years.

This has been a vital tool for communicating to Bible believers the truth of the King James Bible, answering the question of &quot;which edition is the right one?&quot; and showing how God really is right, powerful and true.

When the website started, only a handful of people knew about the Pure Cambridge Edition. Since then, the knowledge of it has gone forth to people in various places around the world. This is wonderful.

God bless you as you use the resources on this website for your study and for teaching others.

&quot;The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.&quot; (Psalm 68:11).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1194', 'f5d448f535', '', 'In April 2007, anti-King James Bible onlyist, Rick Norris, saw the website, and wrote about it on several forums. Since that time, the Pure Cambridge Edition has been discussed on various forums around the internet.

&quot;And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage.&quot; (Acts 28:15).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1195', '6c0406b853', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.&quot; (Acts 13:44).

Consider that a whole city can come out to hear [b:6c0406b853]the [/b:6c0406b853]Word of God. This requires unity in line with the Word of God on the part of the Church. This requires people to be lining up with &quot;But [i:6c0406b853]as [/i:6c0406b853]God [i:6c0406b853]is [/i:6c0406b853]true, our word toward you was not yea and nay.&quot; (2 Corinthians 1:18). In other words, what was spoken and preached had no error - &quot;[i:6c0406b853]as [/i:6c0406b853]God [i:6c0406b853]is [/i:6c0406b853]true&quot; - neither was it contradictory - &quot;not yea and nay&quot;. This cannot be the case with those using modern versions today.

There will always be opposition to the word spoken in unity, just as there is devilish opposition today against the King James Bible. &quot;But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.&quot; (Acts 13:45). The answer given by Paul and Barnabas is the same that should be given today by King James Bible only believers to the modernist churches: &quot;It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy&quot; (see Acts 13:46). If the modernist churches put aside the King James Bible, then nothing is left for them but to continue into greater and more serious error.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1196', '5b595ac1f8', 'The King James Only Controversy', 'In March 2009 there will be another edition of James R. White’s anti-King James Bible only book, “The King James Only Controversy”.

I want to deal with some of the ideas which this book brings up.

KING JAMES ONLYISM IS DIVISIVE

James White makes early reference to the divisive nature of King James onlyism, attributing it as a root of Church splits and other schismatic activities.

However, as White himself argues against Romanish errors, and is himself a reactionary against King James Onlyism, he himself must be just as guilty of “division”, since he has dedicated a whole book and numerous blogs and video clips against the KJBO doctrine.

Division between those who tend toward false doctrine and those who tend towards true doctrine is entirely correct. We cannot pretend that all people who call upon “Christ” are of Christ. In fact, believers are commanded to come out from among them, and be separate.

“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34).

To be fair, anti-KJBOism must be equally or just as divisive, since they are claiming to be “right”, and are expending their efforts to “expose” KJBO.

SELECTIVE REPORTING

James White has concentrated (it seems) on what achieves the most shock value for the audience, rather than a fair representation of King James Onlyism. In fact, the King James Onlyism that James White describes is quite unlike the beliefs, attitudes and actions of most people who hold to a KJBO view.

The problem is that James White has selectively taken a few individuals, and has highlighted particularities of these individuals which represent an extreme rather than a broad view. If someone read the book, they would come away thinking that King James Bible only people have all kinds of strange ideas. There is very little to temper accusations such as that some KJBOs believe that Paul used the King James Bible or that the translators were inspired in 1604–1611, etc. If James White was really analysing or reporting on KJBO belief, he would have to show just how few KJBOs really hold these extravagant views.

WRONG CATEGORISATION

James White has attempted to group KJBOs into five categories. They are:
1. I like the KJV best
2. The textual argument
3. Received Text only
4. The inspired KJV group
5. The KJV as new revelation

Notice how James White wrongly jumps from King James Bible preferred and/or Textus Receptus onlyists (his groups 1–3, which are not really “King James Bible only”) to the extreme KJV inspired group and beyond.

What James White has ignored, or deliberately omitted, is that there is the large grouping which believe the King James Bible to be the only Bible used today (at least in English), and who are not merely “Received Text only”, nor have they gone as far as to claim that the KJB was made by inspiration in 1604–1611.

FALSE LOGIC

James White points out how Catholics had the Vulgate as a standard version. Therefore, those who have the King James Bible as their standard must be as erroneous as Catholics... This syllogism is as faulty as claiming that all four-legged beasts are dogs because dogs have four legs.

Also, we find that the modern version people have their own standards of authorities, such as particular editions of the Critical Greek Text, etc.

As for the issue of infallibility, James White champions the view of natural humanism (“to err is human”), that is, that no work of man can be perfect. Therefore, according to him, no version or translation can be perfect. This defies the Scriptural view of God, namely that, God is all-powerful, therefore God is able to manifest His perfect Word wholly gathered in history.

Given time, all modernists can see is multiplying variants, and despite the best efforts of scholars, they will never have a perfect Bible. Notice that this view has no Scriptural support. No verse of Scripture says or implies that God cannot do it. What they have done is look at the temporal, and built up a man-made doctrine that God cannot do it, or that God is subject to the error, sin and devils of this world.

SMEARS ON THE TRANSLATORS

James White asserts that the translators of the King James Bible would not have always caught the different and inconsistent translations of the same original words. However, as the translators themselves said, and as Burgon also wrote, “the plain fact being that the men of 1611 — above all William Tyndale 77 years before them — produced a work of real genius; seizing with generous warmth the meaning and intention of the sacred Writers, and perpetually varying the phrase, as they felt or fancied that Evangelists or Apostles would have varied it, had they had to express themselves in English”.

James White also impugns evil motives onto the translators, such as pride, power, love of money, etc. However, this is only rhetoric, and is the product of anti-prelacy writers. There is no general moderate Puritan witness against the King James Bible or its translators which would suggest the unfitness of the translators in any capacity, either in religion or learning.

James White also points out that the translators held to non-Baptist doctrines. However, since the translators were making an honest translation, what stands is not biased, as James White falsely impugns. Otherwise, the King James Bible would have words like “sprinkling” or “immersion”, but rather it translates honestly and truly, and is the basis of true doctrine, not the daughter of the translators’ doctrines.

James White also asks “the KJV advocate, ‘When the KJV gives a reading that is identical to the Bishop’s [sic] Bible, was the Bishop’s [sic] Bible inspired and inerrant in that place, even before 1611?’”. Consider a moment that he has just implied that the “KJV advocate” believes in the inspiration of the KJB and that basically there was no Bible before 1611. However, James White does not deal fairly here. The answer is that God’s Word existed in truth since its original inspiration, as most KJBOs and non-KJBO fundamentalists believe. Clearly, the text has existed scattered, and only imperfectly in single manuscripts or impressions before 1611. Moreover, there was a purification with all Protestant English Bibles leading to 1611. The reality is that the King James Bible translators were NOT inspired, but that the words which were good, pure and right in 1602 or 1610 must have only been gathered and their rendering into one particular version the finalisation of the purification.

James White also points out that the translators found some words or passages obscure. But this does not mean “impossible to be rendered”. What it means is that providentially, and through the study and cross examination of learned men (i.e. the 1611 translators) the right words were selected, and were rightly translated into English. Thus, we observe God’s providence in godly men’s work.

THE TRANSLATORS SPEAK

James White misreads the translators’ own words, claiming that they speak against King James Bible onlyism. However, the opposite is the case.

The translators said, “For when Your Highness had once out of deep judgment apprehended how convenient it was, that out of the Original Sacred Tongues, together with comparing of the labours, both in our own, and other foreign Languages, of many worthy men who went before us, there should be one more exact Translation of the holy Scriptures into the English Tongue”. This shows that they viewed the King James Bible as one final exact English Bible. This is a statement against modern versions.

The fourteenth section of The Translators to the Reader is entitled, “Reasons moving us to set diversity of senses in the margin, where there is great probability for each.” Where the heading speaks of a probability of a reading, it does not mean as though there is an equal or fifty-fifty chance at God’s Word being one thing or another thing. What happened was that the translators came to certain places where there were two or more possible interpretations, either by textual differences in the originals, or by translation differences. They said, “It is better to make doubt of those things which are secret, than to strive about those things that are uncertain.” (TTR, Section 14). Thus, they highlighted places where there were multiple possible renderings. This was the honest course.

But rather than keep things in a state of doubt, the translators weighed each alternative, to discern which was variant. As a certain amount of weight might have been behind one rendering, even more weight was behind another. And so faith in God, the opinion of learned men, and many other things show that God’s Word does not fall to probability, but that the translators’ approach of using their judgment and understanding showed what was the sense of the Scripture, that is, what was the accepted text and what was the variant, as placed in the margin.

When it came to translating difficult words, these cases were resolved, as the translators explained: “There be many words in the Scriptures which be never found there but once, (having neither brother nor neighbour, as the Hebrews speak) so that we cannot be holpen by conference of places. Again, there be many rare names of certain birds, beasts, and precious stones, &amp;c. concerning which the Hebrews themselves are so divided among themselves for judgment, that they may seem to have defined this or that, rather because they would say something, than because they were sure of that which they said, as St Hierome somewhere saith of the Septuagint.” (TTR, Section 14). Rather interestingly, many of these rare words are not annotated with marginal references, while on the other hand, other words which do not seem to be rare at all have another sense supplied in the margin. This indicates that the margins were not designed to be a critical apparatus nor to bring out the fuller understanding of the sense of the Scripture.

“Now in such a case doth not a margin do well to admonish the Reader to seek further, and not to conclude or dogmatize upon this or that peremptorily? For as it is a fault of incredulity, to doubt of those things that are evident; so to determine of such things as the Spirit of God hath left (even in the judgment of the judicious) questionable, can be no less than presumption. Therefore as St Augustine saith, that variety of translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is not so clear, must needs do good; yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded.” (TTR, Section 14). If indeed what was in the text was only a guess, then the reading in the margin would be of comparatively equal weight to the text, and that the more variety in guesses and senses and translations, the better. However, this is not the correct understanding of the matter. The variety of translations being referred to were those translations which came before, and not applying to the renderings in the margin as such. The variety of translations was certainly not applying to new translations made afterwards, such as modern versions. The translators chose the correct sense of the originals, and this expressly disallows a person in the present to pick and choose his own version. The margins were supplied so that a reader may check what was rejected and put into the margin. But in reality, either the entire King James Bible must be accepted, or it must be entirely rejected.

REVISIONS AND EDITIONS

James White goes on to say that since the King James Bible today is different to that of 1611, how can a difference be resolved? For example, he says of the KJBO, “there is simply no way of determining the correct text of Jeremiah 34:16.”

Well, I am happy to say that there is an answer. There are two areas to see.

First, the nature of changes in the King James Bible. In the proper revisions, that is, the editions in a line including 1611, 1629, 1769 we observe in the tradition, proper King James Bible differences not in the underlying text, nor in the translation, but,
1. in correction of typographical errors,
2. in standardisation of the language, and
3. in other regularisation (e.g. consistent use of italics, etc.).

Second, that there is a line of proper historical editions from 1611 to 1769, and particularly from the Cambridge University Press’ guardianship, which resulted with the Pure Cambridge Edition of the twentieth century. This edition has resolved correctly any differences which might appear among various editions, providing a basis for rejecting new modernisations, while also rightly portraying places where common variations exist, e.g. at Jeremiah 34:16.

I acknowledge that this was not fully understood until after James White wrote his book. See www.bibleprotector.com

STRAW MEN

James White concentrates his attack on a few individuals, or minority beliefs, tending to broad brush these beliefs to most or many KJBOs. However, this is a deceitful practise, in that most KJBOs do not 100% agree with the KJBO individuals he highlights. The implication is that if a KJBO teacher holds to a particular doctrine which is somehow offensive, that this has somehow automatically disqualified any belief or teaching that this individual brings.

WRONG BATTLEGROUND

James White argues that the real Bible studies or debate should rest in the issues to do with the original languages, and with particular methods of using the context and hermeneutics on that basis.

The point is that if the KJBO argues on the basis of what the Hebrew or Greek says, or doesn’t say, or what the originals really meant to the original audience, etc., they have surrendered the very position of the Scripture, which is, that the Word of God is present.

“For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth” (Col. 1:5, 6).

“But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.” (1 Pet. 1:25).

There clearly is no final perfect Testament in the Hebrew or in the Greek, so to argue where there is no final authority or particular perfection is to argue nothing at all. But as soon as we show that the King James Bible translators got it right, and that God has got His Word to us today in English, we are on a solid, logical, Scriptural and godly foundation.

NO FIXED ENGLISH

According to modernists, the English language is always changing, therefore it is impossible to have one fixed English Bible. However, it is something beyond their belief and understanding if there is a Bible which exhibits God’s use of English, which is relevant to the people living in 1611 as much as in, say, 2011.

Since the Spirit of Truth is present in the Earth today, He is able to bring people to understand God’s Word in the King James Bible. In fact, it is only hard to the natural man, but it becomes open to the spiritual.

Whatever accusations are levelled against the seeming peculiar words of the King James Bible are unfounded, because they happen to be the very exact English words to convey the very sense of the originals. In reality, there is no Bible like it.

CONCLUSION

James White’s “The King James Only Controversy” is a largely misleading, unfair misrepresentation of the King James Only movement. What White utterly fails to accomplish is to give any consolation to his readers/viewers that God’s words exist certainly and utterly today in English. It is as if he holds to a naive faith in modernism (that error prevails), which leads him to defend the existence imperfect Bibles and various individuals who held to heresies or gross sins.

However, if we take the King James Bible as true, and what it says about Scripture as truly applying to itself, we find that the King James Bible is both internally and externally (e.g. historically, textually, etc.) consistent. To accept or admit even one error in the King James Bible is the first step of the path to complete apostasy, this is also internally and externally evident with modern versions.');
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INTRODUCTION TO THE VIALS PROPHECY — PART 5

In the fifth vial, the was a great darkness which came upon the Papacy and its followers. This darkness is the result of the embracing of secularism, humanism and other related ideas, which now prevail in the West. The social revolution which took place in the 1960s is a fruit of the French Revolution. This is all part of the increasing darkness which has caused much pain to Roman Catholicism. The reason why so many Protestants have been effected is because of their compromise with ecumenicalism.

The view of Scripture on the darkness is that it cannot prevail.

“Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.” (1 Thess. 5:5).

“The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.” (Romans 13:12).

“We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts” (2 Peter 1:9).

It is in this darkness that we find the sixth vial brings the next calamity: “And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.” (Revelation 16:12).

First, it is important to know that the “great river Euphrates” is a symbol of the Turks and also of the Islamic religion. Since the French Revolution, and particularly during World War One, there has been a drying up of the River Euphrates. This progressive drying has seen the Turks diminish in power, and has seen increasing secularisation in Islamic nations (particularly Turkey).

But it is only when the water, that is to say, the power of their religion, has been dried up that the greater threat comes upon the Vatican. The source of the Euphrates, that is, Islam, is the Roman Catholic relative of Mohammed who interpreted his visions and encouraged him. Obviously, the Islamic religion turned out to be one of the worst things for Roman Catholicism. However, Islam also was an excellent tool for keeping at bay or destroying non-Catholic Christians and Jews.

Even in World War One, over a million Armenians (Eastern Orthodox Christians), were massacred by the Turks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_massacre This became the blueprint for the Nazi pogroms. 

The great massacres of the twentieth century are fruits of darkness. The worst massacre takes place every day in abortion clinics. Although Roman Catholicism presently speaks against abortion, Roman Catholics have historically performed these atrocities, such as, during the inquisition, in the Piedmontese massacre of the Waldenses, in the St. Bartholomew’s Day massacre in France, etc.

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The salvation message of the Biblical preacher is a word that should be received with joy. In fact, it should also be preached with joy. The reality of what the preacher knows through the incorruptible word can be preached with power and authority: &quot;Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.&quot; (1 Peter 1:23).

There is much preaching that is not Biblically based and this word cannot be living and abiding forever. In other words, the fluff and bubble words of modernist preachers fall to the ground and have no eternal value. To stay with the Bible is the key to powerful preaching. A single word from God can cut through a world of foolishness.');
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Now, while he erroneously calls the KJBO stand a &quot;myth&quot;, he has at least observed that [b:3d5c3ea8f9]the KJBO stand is a very strong, foundational one[/b:3d5c3ea8f9]. In fact, once Christians understand the foundational nature of having one, pure Bible, then they are not easily shaken. This is positive, strong, powerful. The King James Bible has been brought to where we are now by God\'s operation in history.

&quot;Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.&quot; (Matthew 7:24,25).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1200', 'c9a1661512', 'Textus Receptus questions answered', 'James White (at his blog) asks concerning the TR:

1) When did &quot;the church&quot; &quot;received&quot; this text?

Answer: First of all, it is evident that there is always a general reception of truth, and general retention of truth by the true people of God.

The various traditions of the Church before the Reformation, particularly the Eastern Orthodox, tend to exhibit a manuscript tradition which overall exhibits a general agreement. However, the immergence of the Reformation allowed for taking the widest view of Scripture evidence and attempted to settle it. This process of the printed editions of the Reformation ensured that in time a finality and a fixity would be reached.

2) What council engaged in a study of the respective texts and determined that this is the &quot;one&quot; text that most closely represents the original?

Answer: The translators of the King James Bible viewed the corpus of evidence, and then produced an independent variety of the Received Text. However their conclusion or judgment was not displayed in the original languages, but in an English translation. This would not only represent the actual text of the originals, but present it perfectly in the English language. Therefore, unlike any other Bible, the King James Bible is perfectly the entire Scripture that was originally inspired as given in the world’s favourite language: English. Nothing about this is coincidence.

3) Which text IS the &quot;TR&quot;? Can you identify a single text as THE TR? If not, why not?

Answer: The King James Bible then is the traditional received text of the Scripture, and is superior to any particular form of it, whether an edition by Erasmus, or an edition printed by the Trinitarian Bible Society. The King James Bible must therefore be the definitive representation of all the varying TR editions, and be superior to any particular one.

4) Please explain why I should use the TR\'s readings of Luke 2:22, Revelation 16:5, and the final six verses of Revelation.

Answer: Why should we follow the King James Bible in the above examples? There are several reasons. First is that if we see that the King James Bible is correct, every part of it should be seen to be correct on examination. Likewise, if it is right in every other particular, then it must be right in the particulars addressed above.

There is doubtless a great amount of information vindicating the historical, traditional and critical usage of the above verses, which may be understood and taken from various writers and sources from the Reformation to authors like Edward Hills, Thomas Holland, etc.

Remembering that the KJB is a definitive representation of the TR editions (which themselves consider the Latin witness when judging the Greek), and that Protestant Versions also are counted as TR editions.

Luke 2:22 — Geneva, Bishops, Beza 1589, Beza 1598 and Complutensian.

Revelation 16:5 — from Beza’s last three editions (also Elzevir 1633).

Revelation last 6 verses — Coptic, Syriac, Armenian, and Ethiopic, some later Greek manuscripts, the Vulgate (Erasmus’ Greek translation of the Vulgate and MS 141), the Complutensian, and Reformation English Versions.

References: Scrivener, Hills, Holland, Kinney.

“The Book of Revelation has more textual variants than any other New Testament book. The reading found in the King James Bible in Revelation 16:5 represents one of the hundreds of such textual variants. It is admittedly a minority reading, but it should be noted that for every One minority reading found in the KJB, there are at least 20 such minority readings found in the modern versions like the NASB, NIV, ESV. These modern versions often do not even agree with each other. One will follow a particular minority reading while the other will disagree and follow another.” (Will Kinney).

The reason why the King James Bible should be used is because it represents the definitive and final form of the Received Text. Clearly, the correct readings are not always going to be the ones found in numerical majority, but they will have all kinds of signs showing why they are correct.

P.S. This logic of faith may also be utilised to explain the correctness of the rendering “Geba” in Ezra 2:26 in the King James Bible.');
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The covenant is established upon God\'s promises, and is sacred to God because Christ shed His blood so the new covenant could come to pass.');
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Independent Baptist Fundamentalist Jack Schaap wrote,

[quote:5b8f1a79c9]I believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God.

I believe in the verbal, plenary inspiration of the Scriptures, meaning that every word was chosen by the Holy Ghost, every word the Holy Ghost chose is in the Scriptures, and not one word is omitted. The Bible is complete and accurate.

I believe the King James Version of the Bible is the divinely preserved translation of the inspired Word of God for the English-speaking people.[/quote:5b8f1a79c9]

The sound and pure KJBO view would allow for one further step, namely, that the King James Bible is not only for “English-speaking peoples”, but that it is destined to be the Bible for all the world; that is, that all the world are to be, by God’s providence in time, English-speaking.

[quote:5b8f1a79c9]The so-called “originals” were not manuscripts written by Moses, David, Samuel, Paul, and others; no, the “originals” have always existed and are “settled” or established in Heaven as the Word of God. God transferred His words to man via face-to-face conversation, by angelic messenger, by writing with His own finger, and by dreams and visions.[/quote:5b8f1a79c9]

Not quite. If we understand the order of things, we would see that the Scripture existed eternally in the mind of God, then when Heaven was created on day one, the eternal Scripture was also manifested in written form there. Although God communicated His message by various means, the inspiration was at work in the pen-men as they wrote or recorded the visions, messages, stone-writing or whatever. Thus, the inspiration was with the first writing of the final form of the original, autographical book. The Earthly form would, in the Original Autograph, match both the written Heavenly form, which likewise agrees with the word known in the mind of God in all eternity past. The King James Bible agrees with this exactly, though it be in English. It is likely that the KJB is the Millennial Bible, and it is possible (though not necessary) that the Heavenly Volume is also in English.

[quote:5b8f1a79c9]The phrase “given by inspiration of God” comes from the Greek word ...[/quote:5b8f1a79c9]

A KJBO person would not to need to resort to the Greek or its so-called meanings.

[quote:5b8f1a79c9]But God did not give the English words of the KJV in 1604–1611 the same way. These English words were not “given” by inspiration; they were preserved by the sovereign and providential hand of God. God wisely superintended the accumulation of manuscripts and men, and then providentially supervised the translating work of those 40-50 men at Hampton Court so that what they produced was an accurate and complete preservation of God’s words in the English language. Simply stated, God preserved what He had originally inspired.[/quote:5b8f1a79c9]

Correct.

[quote:5b8f1a79c9]If we believe that the King James Bible is divinely preserved, we allow that God also preserved other languages and versions for various peoples so that they also have the Word of God in their language, accurate and reliable.[/quote:5b8f1a79c9]

This is historically true, however, as English continues to be the global language, and in the interests of having one standard which is completely correct, it should ultimately come to pass that all Christians will use one English Bible.');
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“The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.” (Proverbs 15:2). When the heart is filled with the words of God, then there will be a natural progression of wisdom coming out of the mouth. “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom” (Colossians 3:16a). Wisdom comes from the Word of God, so the Biblical preacher must make sure that it is in the heart richly.

Note the following: “The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.” (Psalm 37:30,31). The law of God must be in the heart, so that the mouth can bring forth wisdom.');
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RIGHTLY DIVIDING

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15).

The Scripture can be “divided” into a structure. Note the following words from Isaiah 60:1–3, how the ideas are found in mirror form:

Arise,
-  shine;
- -  for thy light is come,
- - -     and the glory of the LORD
- - - -        is risen upon thee.
- - - - -         For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth,
- - - - -      and gross darkness the people:
- - - -     but the LORD shall arise upon thee,
- - -    and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
- -   And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, 
-  and kings to the brightness
of thy rising.

There are all kinds of patterns and structures in the wording of the King James Bible.

Another way the Scripture is divided is with the meaning of words. The same written word can be used with two different meanings. For example, “fear” in one place might mean to revere God, in another place it might mean being afraid.

Another kind of division in the Bible is in regards to prophecies. One example is the prophecy of Christ’s coming.

Jesus read this passage: “To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.” (Luke 4:19), “And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down.” (Luke 4:20a).

Why did Jesus stop reading there? The book of Isaiah has, “To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn” (Isaiah 61:2).

The reason why Jesus did not read about the vengeance is because He rightly divided the Scripture. He was fulfilling the acceptable year of the Lord prophecy in His first coming, but He would be coming for vengeance in His second coming. Since He was preaching to the Jews about His first coming, He was not talking about vengeance but salvation, healing and gathering the lost.

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INTRODUCTION TO THE VIALS PROPHECY — PART 6

It is in this darkness that we find the sixth vial brings the next calamity: “And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.” (Revelation 16:12).

Already in the 1630s, Joseph Mede had some understanding what the prophecy of the “kings of the east” was referring to:

“That is, the Church of Christ, as it was about to become double by the conversion of Israel” (Mede.)

“The sixth phial will be poured out on the great river Euphrates; so that, being dried up, a passage may be prepared for the new enemies of the beast to come from the Last, that is, for the Israelites, wonderfully converted to the pure faith and Worship of Christ, and now become candidates for the kingdom promised for so many ages. Whom the followers of the beast [Romanism], perhaps, may be inclined to consider as the army of their fictitious antichrist, to arise from the Jews, of whom they do not Hesitate to assert, that even we of this day are the forerunners. God thus avenging their obstinacy in error.” (Mede.)

“Whatever it may be, their obstruction being removed, the way of approach is by some means said to be prepared for these new Christians from the East, and that, as it appears, for the purpose of undertaking an expedition against the beast, to whose destruction all the phials are subservient. For whence otherwise, and for what reason, should such a trepidation and panic seize upon the followers of the beast, and even the demons themselves, from the time of the drying up of the river, as to occasion such a horrible and unheard-of preparation for war as is here described; unless they, with the whole diabolical cohort, feared every extremity from the accession of the new kings of the East?” (Mede.)

The historicist commentator Barnes speculated, “in accordance with what is so often said in the prophets, that under the gospel kings and princes would consecrate themselves and their wealth to God. See Psalm 72:10, 11, ‘The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts. Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.’ So also Isaiah 40:4–6, 9, 11, [summarised], ‘Thy sons shall come from far.—The forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.—All they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense.—The isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them.—Thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.’ All that is fairly implied in the language used here is, that the kings of the east would be converted to the true religion...”

The historicist theologian Bishop Newton conjectured that the Roman Catholic response would be manifest in the tribulation, “Whoever they be, they appear to threaten the ruin and destruction of the Kingdom of the beast: and therefore the agents and emissaries of popery ... are employed to oppose them, and stir up the princes and potentates of their communion to make their united and lad effort in a religious war. Of necessity there must be times of great trouble and affliction ... Armageddon”.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1206', '7581e84995', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'It is surely one of the great mysteries of our time that Christians can purport to seek the power and wisdom of God in their lives yet deny the very things that they seek.

&quot;The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment. The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.&quot; (Psalm 37:30,31). Note the connection between the law or Word of God in a person\'s heart and what comes out of the mouth. The proportion of error in a person\'s heart will determine how much foolishness comes out of the mouth. Thus, we find the modern version users denying pure religion, rejecting godly tradition, rejecting God\'s laws, and &quot;Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away&quot; (2 Timothy 3:5). Yes, it is true that Traditional Pentecostals (indeed all who hold to the pure King James Bible) should turn away from modern versionists, particularly those who vehemently oppose a pure Bible stand.

&quot;But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach&quot; (Romans 10:8). Note that the words of God cannot get into a person\'s heart unless (1) they exist (2) they are available to preach (3) they are preached (4) people hear them and believe them. As for me and my house, we will not hear or believe the error of modernists. Will you take a similar stand?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1207', '468943a762', '', 'There is a great difference between the modern version view and the King James Bible only view. Also, there are parallels between this issue and the evolution versus creation debate.

APPROACHING THE BIBLE

How we approach the Bible today, and whether we believe there is a perfect manifestation of the Bible in one book depends actually on our heart. It is dependant on our “world view”.

Evidence exists today. Old manuscripts are not in the past (though they existed in the past). Old manuscripts are here now.

Depending on our “world view”, we will interpret the evidence (the old manuscripts) into a narrative of how the Bible came to us today, and whether or not we have a perfect Bible right now.

WHERE DO WE START?

Many scientific and other innovations and advances were discovered after the Renaissance and Reformation. If you look at the British Empire or America, you can see how much knowledge has increased. Many of the scientific pioneers, like Isaac Newton, had a high view of the Bible.

Paul wrote, “And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.” (2 Thess. 3:2). This verse says that having no faith is unreasonable. In other words, reason and faith go together. That is why proper Christian inquiry is important and good.

Opposite to this are the rationalists who divorce reason and faith. They think that advancement comes through humanistic endeavour. They think that religion gets in the way of progress.

Today we can either believe that the Bible is true, self-authenticating and explore it on that basis, or else we can start from theories about the early history of the Scriptures, which always emphasise the weakness of men (i.e. that people made mistakes in copying), and always minimises the involvement of God in actually keeping the Bible from mistakes.

Thus, we either look at the King James Bible and receive a doctrine that it is true, pure, etc., and therefore interpret history in that light, or else, we start from the idea that man is subject to mistakes today, and that despite our best efforts, we will never have a perfect Bible, and history likewise is interpreted in this light (which seems to tend toward the most outlandish claims dressed up in serious sounding language, and an attachment to the most divergent manuscripts on the weakest arguments).

HOW WE INTERPRET THE BIBLE IN HISTORY

Remember that interpretations and narrative of what happened during, say, the Dark Ages exist right now. It is the case which best fits the evidence.

As long as people are disputing on that ground, they have no final authority of appeal. This is why it is heavily practiced by modernist scholars, because they believe that there is no final authority of appeal, but the misguided faith in the “learning” of modernist men.

Modernist thought, by the way, is contradictory, in that while it tends toward denying “faith”, it actually is a faith, and a blind one at that. This is obvious, because people who bring out anti-KJBO propaganda demonstrate an a priori commitment to their theory, which they purport to be fact. Moreover, as much as they have attachment to human reasoning (the deification of man by himself), they hold the contradictory notion that no man is right, and that all are subject to erring.

That is why it is important for Bible believers to stand on the Scripture as it has been given right now as the primary argument, in that the Bible speaks of God, and since God must be working now, this must be His Word right now: “For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.” (1 Thess. 2:13). “Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.” (2 Thess. 2:15).

If we have a perfect Bible today, then we have a sure point of reference to understand what actually was occurring in the Dark Ages. In other words, history is not just subjectivity, or a changing story about the past, or today’s current truth, but we have a link to the true view, and we are able to enter into God’s view... so a Christian inquirer might be said to be unlocking the secrets of God’s creation since we are surrounded by an absolute framework.

People who argue against KJBO must therefore have to accept some sort of subjectivity, some sort of hindrance to human achievement, and most drastically, some sort of limitation of God, even to the point where some deny His existence.

BUILDING UP FROM THE FOUNDATION

“If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” (Psalm 11:3).

If we have the perfect, infallible Word of God in one book present right now, we can see how everything else will be built up and in place: a proper interpretation of Scripture, right doctrines, proper laws, pure conscience.

If we do not in practice have a perfect Bible today, and hold to a doctrine that we do not know if we can have one, then the whole building of our faith and doctrine begins to crumble. That is why there is a direct link between rejecting the King James Bible and a lukewarm Christianity.

THE CONFLICT

James White, in his book, writes that his view on the King James Controversy is that it is a conflict. This is true. It is a spiritual conflict that is playing right now for the minds of Christians everywhere. The battle is to do with truth, and getting the truth to be understood.

ERASMUS’ NEW TESTAMENT

The King James Bible issue is not made or broken on Erasmus, and what he accomplished. The battle is whether or not we have a perfect presentation of the underlying text in an English translation right now on Earth.

James White points to Erasmus and how he decided to portray instrumentally the New Testament, showing human errors, or his critical choices and the annotations in such a way as to deny the infallibility or perfection of Erasmus’ work.

The reality is that Erasmus is only one part of the working of the providence of God, and the ultimate form of the text of the King James Bible lays with the translators themselves, who produced an independent variety of the textus receptus. We see that King James Bible is the final form of the Received Text today. 

James White shows how people were criticising Erasmus for going to the Greek, when he could have stayed with the Romanist’s Latin. James White attempts to link this with the doctrine of KJBOists, who say that we do not need the Greek (because we have the Bible in English).

The tremendous difference that James White does not show is that the Vulgate needed to be corrected in light of the Greek Tradition, and that by taking to measure all sources and witnesses, the correct text of Scripture could be recovered. Once that was completed (and it was completed with the making of the King James Translation), there would be no need to go to the Greek or Latin any more. Thus, the KJBO accepts the initial foundation of the original language basis with other witnesses in the forming of the Bible into its final form, quite unlike the ardent Catholic who believed that whatever edition of the Vulgate was in vogue was infallible, and required no correction. The point is that the Vulgate needed correction, whereas the King James Bible comes out of that process of correction (as primarily based upon the Greek with reference to the Latin).

Since the King James Bible has been made from the right springs, and has been checked and used by so many godly men, it is the height of pride, unbelief and foolishness to come up with a doctrine that requires the correction of the King James Bible. Unlike the Vulgate, the King James Bible does not require correction. In fact, going to the Greek today to change the King James Bible is always corruption, impure, error and wrong.

VARIETY OF TRANSLATIONS WERE PROFITABLE

Anti-King James Bible only writers like to point out that the translators of the King James Bible wrote that variety of translations is profitable for finding out the sense of the Scriptures.

The modern version proponent immediately uses this to say how the King James Bible translators must think it is good that there are more modern versions than ever.

But this is not what the translators meant. They said that they were consulting the variety themselves, so that we would have one more exact translation of the holy Scripture in the English tongue. Ultimately, that denies having any other translation of the Scripture except the King James Bible.

In reality, once the variety had been consulted, only one correct text and translation was presented in the King James Bible. Whatever went into the margins was additional, peri-logical or notational. The margins were not provided so that we could pick and choose between them and the text. The margins were not provided to cast doubt on the text. They were there to show other thoughts, including some possible other renderings or translations, which the consensus and sound judgment of the translators rejected.

Many people have studied the Scripture, looked at the margins and the overwhelming judgment of English-speaking Christianity is that the margins are rightly marginal. They are not the very exact sense of the Scripture.

But the modernist tries to use the fact that the margins exist for the very purpose that the translators denied, namely, that they cast doubt upon the knowledge of what actually rightly is the Scripture.

ERROR IN GOD’S PRESERVATION OF THE KJB?

The preservation of God’s Word is providential. The KJB is only the way by which the preservation was finalised. In reality, the Scripture was scattered from the time of the original autographs until 1611, so that the underlying text was never presented correctly in any single manuscript or Bible to that time.

The issue of having a correct text and translation is different to having a perfect presentation.

The KJB was the end result of the gathering of the correct text and translation, however, the KJB itself went through a purification of editions that refined merely the presentation.

Let no one mix up preservation with perfection. Perfection in any single manuscript is unlikely, except for the Autographs and some immediate copies.

The Scripture was not preserved as perfect in a single entity (e.g. no golden plates at Constantinople in the year 1000). The perfect Word was in fact scattered in many MSS, in many witnesses, etc. Thus, there was a gathering process that was occurring, it happened in part in Latin, but primarily in Greek with TR editions, and more importantly with English Versions, and most importantly, finally and supersuccessionally in the King James Bible.

The perfect Word that was in the Autographs must have been scattered, then gathered, and translated into English, so that the perfect Word was recovered, and the preservation was complete. The next state has been the preservation of the perfect text and translation.

As a subset, the purifying work of the presentation of the King James Bible has been to ensure that the perfect text and translation of 1611 has been presented free from any presentational imperfection.

Modern translations display a different text and translation, and they are edited sometimes, and there are presentational errors in them, e.g. typographical errors.

God\'s providential work in history takes into account (simplistically):
1. the scattering of the text from the autographs to the gathering of the Reformation time,
2. the refining of the main Protestant English translations, and
3. the purification of the presentation of the lineage of proper traditional King James Bible editions.

Moses wrote, &quot;He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.&quot; (Deut. 32:4).

Moses did not see the whole Old Testament. And yet, we would say that having only five books of Scripture is an imperfect Canon. How could God\'s work be perfect? Clearly, God\'s work in history must be taken in the total view. God\'s work when seen in the big picture is perfect.

In regards to text: The inspiration was perfect. Copies were not. But then God was able to providentially outwork so that there was a perfect critical amassing in one Bible.

Were true Christians saved when they practised only infant baptism? Does God require new born Christians to be fully developed? Why would it be wrong to have the book of God only perfectly rendered in 1611, and no perfect single volume in Earth in, say, 1517 A.D.?

IS THE KJB ALONE = WORD OF GOD ALONE TRUE?

James White has reduced King James Bible only as meaning that there is no other possible Scripture. This implication is false. Clearly, there have been many copies of the Scripture in many languages. Even the Alexandrian copies, as corrupt as they are, exhibit Scripture.

The issue in not the existence of Scripture, the issue is that one manifestation of the Scripture is perfect, namely, that there is a perfect text and translation. In regards to use for the King James Bible believer, the formula “the KJB alone = the Word of God alone” is only true in regards to the final and supersuccessionary form of Scripture. In other words, no Bible ever presented 100% what the Autographs had with 100% accuracy except the KJB. Therefore the KJB should be used as the standard. Indeed, it should be the world standard.

This authority is not because the King James Bible was made by inspiration from 1604–1611 as James White implies is believed. The authority of the KJB as being perfect is because it is a self-authenticating argument, consistent with internal and external evidence.

This is lamely accused of being “circular reasoning”. However, the existence of God Himself is based on “circular reasoning”, therefore, there is a proper, logical and consistent use of the self-authenticating argument in regards to absolute truth. Importantly, it is possible and easy to objectively show the existence of God, and likewise to make great inquiry of the truth of the perfection of the KJB.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1208', '2ac6ddb66a', 'Catch the fire?', 'When a person from a political party which pretends to uphold “traditional values”, which does not present true Biblical values, makes a statement in the Australian media quoting a Scripture from a modern version, the statement is going to be out of alignment with the perfect will of God.

The Scripture says, “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” (2 Chronicles 7:14).

If a person corrects the Word of God by changing it, they are actually implying that God has lied. If God told the truth in the King James Bible, which is at the foundation of the Australian nation, why would God switch to the different “New King James Version”?

The Scripture at 2 Chronicles 7:14 does not even directly apply to Australia.

Australia is not “God’s people”. The truth is that Australia fits into another category:

Moses said about the Israelites, “... I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.” (Deuteronomy 32:21).

Isaiah wrote, “I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.” (Isaiah 65:1).

Therefore, Australia only becomes God’s people. The present nation of Australia is not God’s people who need to repent. They are, in fact, not God’s people who become God’s people because they do repent. This is prophesied in Psalms, “All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD” (Psalm 22:27), and in Isaiah, “Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth” (Isaiah 52:10).

“As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.” (Revelation 3:19). The message of Christ is for Christians to repent first. Unless the Christians repent, how could the nations be converted, according to Matthew 28:20 and Romans 16:26?

One of the Australian Founding Fathers was John Dunmore Lang, a staunch Presbyterian. He wrote in 1857, “There is clearly, therefore, no part of the habitable globe on which it is of more importance at this moment to [have] a thoroughly Christian people than the shores of Australia. ... I confess I entertain the highest hopes of my adopted country in this important particular. I believe it is destined, in the councils of Infinite Wisdom, to be the seat of one of the first of the Christian nations of the earth, and that while the number of its Christian people will yet be as the sand of the sea which cannot be measured or numbered, it shall come to pass that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. Hosea i. 10.”

Although not all of Lang’s ideas were right, he certainly was right to hope for a great Christian witness in Australia.

Such notions were not new in the 1850s. Already, the pioneering chaplain, Richard Johnson, had written in 1792, “This will be my daily prayer to God for you. I shall pray for your eternal salvation, for your present welfare, for the preservation, peace, and prosperity of this colony: and especially for the more abundant and manifest success of the Redeemer’s cause and kingdom, and for the effusion and out-pouring of his Holy Spirit, not only here, but in every part of the habitable globe. Longing, hoping, and waiting for the dawn of that happy day, when the heathen shall be given to the Lord Jesus for his inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for his possession: and when all the ends of the earth shall see, believe, and rejoice in the salvation of God. Ps. ii. 8. &amp; xcviii. 3.”

The two Scripture references he gives are very revealing: “Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.” (Psalm 2:8). “He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.” (Psalm 98:3).

It is clear that men of God have prayed, believed and seen that the blessing of God is in having the Gospel and establishing it to a high degree in Australia. 

Australia’s leading founding father, Sir Henry Parkes, wrote in 1892, “Things may be worse before they are better; but the day will come when justice and fair play will triumph in this land: when great bodies of Christians, who now seem half asleep, will bestir themselves”.

“What a noble incentive to high conduct in her service, now and in the future, is supplied by the glorious country we possess and her manifest destiny! ... A new generation is close upon us; the many will know no other land than fair Australia. They will bring, let us hope, with the tie of nativity, more ample stores of knowledge, nobler capacities for patriotic service, and an imperishable love for freedom and justice. Standing before the uplifted veil, let the meanest of us breathe a fervent prayer, that the Almighty may guide the young commonwealth on the high road of her starry future, that her people may be abundantly blessed within these encompassing seas of peace, and that their influence beyond may be a blessing to all mankind.”

“He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.” (Isaiah 42:4).');
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This woman knew that Jesus was her only hope, she believed He could make her whole. She demonstrated a simple, but strong faith in the Lord, and saw Him as the Healer. Touching the hem of His garment represented a point of contact for her - the point at which her faith was released, and at which she received her healing. Jesus knew that healing virtue had gone out of Him, and encouraged her that because of her faith, she had been made whole. Jesus has the same power and will to heal today.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1210', 'dd03197377', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;If you build on anything else but the Word of God - on imaginations, sentimentality, or any feelings, or any special joy, it will mean nothing without you have a foundation, and the foundation will have to be in the Word of God. We must have something better than sand, and everything is sand except the Word.&quot; (Smith Wigglesworth, The faith of God, December 1941).

Like all Traditional Pentecostals, the pioneer Smith Wigglesworth held to the King James Bible. Today, Christians must acknowledge that there must be a firm, pure, true foundation for their lives. This foundation is the basis of all building of the Church and is of such great importance. This must be of God and cannot include the words of scholars or men deceived or erroneous sinners - [b:dd03197377]God\'s Word must be the basis for the Church to be built in strength and nourished[/b:dd03197377]. Christians must be &quot;nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine&quot; (see 1 Timothy 4:6). Building on anything else is building on sand.

&quot;Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.&quot; (Psalm 127:1).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1215', '8ddacd4221', 'Historicist dot com', 'I have started to read at the site historicist dot com and it won\'t let me in.
They need a password etc. now.
Not very good, seeing all I was doing was reading.
How can I get back in to read?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1216', '3bb09672f4', 'Historicist reading.', 'Hi Peter, try [url=http://www.historicism.net/]this historicist site[/url].');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1217', '1ba2253ef9', '', 'These two places show the general historicist view today

http://www.mun.ca/rels/restmov/texts/bjohnson/vota/VOTA00.HTM

http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/7bowls.htm');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1218', '46b894a99b', 'The warning.', 'The warning for those studying historicist interpretations of prophecy today is that many historicist commentators have a rejection perspective with respect to fururist interpretations.

The reality is that a synthesis of historicist and futurist is the most accurate Biblically. We do not reject futurist interpretations, such as a pre-tribulation translation of the saints, because that is what is clear in the Bible (see http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=161 ).

Like many Biblical revelations, the prophecy area is viewed now more correctly as end-time knowledge has increased: &quot;But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.&quot; (Daniel 12:4). This also explains why the PCE circa 1900 wasn\'t fully recognised as the final KJB edition until a century later (though providentially it was being extensively used in the 1900s).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1219', '4f7a33dc46', 'Dragons', 'Notes on the use of &quot;dragon&quot; in the KJB.

- - - - - -
The KJB use of the word “dragon”; the use of the word “dragon” in the KJB.

Dragons: present view: FANTASY, MAGICAL, RICH, REPTILIAN, FLY, WILY, EVIL OR GOOD, MIGHTY, FIRE BREATHING

Dragon: symbol. Revelation 12:3, 12:9
Where did these symbols come from? How did John know that all readers of the Bible would know what a dragon is?

Dragons: historical view:
1. Numerous records exist up to fairly recent times concerning the sightings of dragons.
a. throughout Britain, including historical sightings at Loch Ness
b. in medieval Italy

2. In literature, semi-legendary
a. Beowulf (Denmark)
b. Germany 
c. Asia Minor (St George and the dragon)
d. Alexander the Great observed Indians worshipping hissing dragons

3. In iconography,
a. Babylon
b. China(pottery, festivals), 
c. European (heraldry), Wales’ (flag)
D. American Indian cave drawings

Dragons: historical view: REAL, BESTIAL, REPTILIAN, VARIOUS KINDS, FEW CAN FLY, MIGHTY, TERRIBLE, FEW CAN BREATH FIRE

Komodo dragons: giant lizards from Indonesia which even attack and kill people: what happened to the DINOSAURS? What is happening to Komodos?

How is it that dragons are known throughout the world today?

When the word “dragon” is used historically, is it not the same as “dinosaurs” today?
\'Dinosaur\' was coined by Sir Richard Owen in the year 1841

According to uniformitarianism, the formation of layers of rock are by a slow process, and since there are dinosaur bones in various rock layers, they are said to be millions of years old, which means that according to evolution, dinosaurs would probably be extinct, and that dragons are myth. But there are many problems with this false view.

1. recent dinosaur sightings
a. Japanese fishing boat pulled up a dead sea dinosaur
b. there are reports of dinosaurs still living in central Africa
c. It has been reported that Australian aboriginals saw living dinosaurs in the Reedy Lake, Hospital Swamp and Connewarre area near Geelong

The Bible treats dragons as if real.

Job 30:9
Ps. 91:13

DESCRIPTIONS

Deut 32:33 poison
Is. 34:13 desolate areas
Is. 35:7 lay
Jer. 9:11 live in dens
Jer. 14:6 snuffing
Jer. 51:34 swallowing
Micah 1:8 wailing

FIERY FLYING SERPENT
Isaiah 14:29
Isaiah 30:6

LEVIATHAN
Ps. 74:13, 14
Ps. 104:25, 26
Is. 27:1
Job 41

BEHEMOTH
Job 40:15 etc.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1220', '3ab35181c7', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', 'Divine health and healing also involves looking upon God as the strength of our life. He gives us strength in our minds and bodies. The way to look at things is that we are getting stronger every day, with the help of God. He quickens our bodies, and renews our youth like the eagle’s.

“THE LORD [i:3ab35181c7]is[/i:3ab35181c7] my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD[i:3ab35181c7] is [/i:3ab35181c7]the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?” (Psalm 27:1).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1221', '4fe314ce81', 'Local Church Bible Publishers', 'I have come across the Local Church Bible Publishers, part of Bearing Precious Seed
from Lancing, Michigan, USA. I see on their website they take a strong view against
the mis-spellings found in many KJV Bibles. This means it is possible the Bibles
printed at the LCBP could be PCEs.

The Local Church Bible Publishers website is:

[url]http://lcbplansing.org/Bibles/[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1222', 'ea1cbfbfe9', '', 'They are not PCEs, but the &quot;Concord Edition&quot;.

It is good that they recognise the problem with &quot;silent modernisation&quot; or unauthorised changes, but they do not state explicitly their support of, nor publish specifically, the PCE. I have heard that various people have asked them to publish the PCE, but at this point they don\'t.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1223', '8b3da03d80', 'The Protector, 22 February 2009', '[img:8b3da03d80]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:8b3da03d80]

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BEERSHEBA

One of the most famous differences between post-1769 Editions of the King James Bible is at Joshua 19:2. In the Pure Cambridge Edition, as in 1611, it reads “or Sheba”. In other editions, it reads “and Sheba”.

“And they had in their inheritance Beer-sheba, or Sheba, and Moladah” (Joshua 19:2).

In English, the straightforward meaning of “Beer-sheba, or Sheba” indicates that Sheba was an alternate name for Beer-sheba. This is likely, even by examining the word “Beer-sheba”, which contains the word element “Sheba”. “Beer” means “water well” (see Numbers 21:16), and “Sheba” means “sworn oath” (see Genesis 26:31, 33). The city got its name because there Abraham dug a well and made an oath (see Genesis 21:30, 31). Later, Isaac came and redug his father’s wells, and called them by Abraham’s names (see Genesis 26:18). When Isaac’s servants dug and found water, he called the well “Shebah”. The Bible then explains that the city there is called Beer-sheba because of this (see Genesis 26:32, 33). Thus, there is a well called “Shebah”, and a city there called “Beer-sheba”.

There is another list in the book of Joshua listing the same places as those in Joshua chapter nineteen. In Joshua 15:28, the list only mentions Beer-sheba, not Sheba, showing that these are two names for the same place. Again, in the identical listing of 1 Chronicles 4:28-31, there is no mention of a place called Sheba (not to be confused with a country by that name in southern Arabia). All this supports the Pure Cambridge Edition reading of “or Sheba”, which shows that are indeed the same place. The context also bares this out, Joshua 19:6 says there are thirteen cities, if the word “and” is accepted, then there are fourteen cities listed up to verse six. Since the Bible is only counting thirteen, it is clear that Beer-sheba is Sheba.

The Battle of Beer-sheba is very interesting. In 1917, a crucial battle was fought against the Turks which included a great cavalry charge of Australian Light Horse. This victory of British Commonwealth troops over the Turks opened up the conquest of Palestine, and making it a land for large scale Jewish resettlement.

[quote:8b3da03d80]As the Anzacs first saw it from the hills to the south-east at sunrise on the morning of the 31st, it had, except for its new mosque built by the Germans, the appearance of a struggling township on the pastoral country in Australia. To the dusty ring of mounted campaigners it promised no prize in comfortable quarters or in foodstuffs. But it contained that which was still more essential and coveted, for the village was rich in springs of good water. Perhaps never since the far-off days of Abraham had the water in the old wells of the patriarchs been so needed by parched men riding in from the southern desert.[/quote:8b3da03d80]

What is most interesting is that Army personal carried King James Bibles with them, which were printed by Cambridge University Press.

[quote:8b3da03d80]All or nearly all the Christian troops had during the long campaign diligently read their Bible as they had never read it before. and were arrested by the amazing fidelity of its atmosphere and colour.[/quote:8b3da03d80]

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1224', '288e6d0578', 'Answering 10 accusations against KJBO', '[quote:288e6d0578]Is/was the Latin Vulgate the “word of God”? Why or why not? (Note: the Latin Vulgate was the standard Bible, by which all else was compared, more universally and for a longer period of time than the KJV has been)[/quote:288e6d0578]

The Vulgate contained the Word of God. Of course, every edition of the Vulgate is imperfect.

[quote:288e6d0578]Is/was the Septuagint (LXX) the “word of God”? Why or why not? (Note: despite its obvious imperfections and inclusion of ‘apocryphal’ books, the KJV translators still called it “the word of God”)[/quote:288e6d0578]

The Septuagint contained the Word of God. Even the translators of the KJB pointed out that it contained wrong translations.

[quote:288e6d0578]Is/was the Geneva Bible, the Great Bible, Matthew’s, Tyndale’s, etc. the “word of God”? Why or why not?[/quote:288e6d0578]

Such major Protestant English Versions were used as the Word of God, despite small problems with them.

[quote:288e6d0578]Which edition (year) of the KJV is uncorrupted? Why do they differ, even occasionally in words? (And if your response has to do with printing problems, why would God inspire a perfect translation only to have it corrupted by the printers? The common people would still be lacking an uncorrupt word of God. And how can we know the printing errors were all found, and all properly fixed?)[/quote:288e6d0578]

The text and translation of the KJB were correct in 1611. Editions differ due to printing problems, the standardisation of the language and editorial regularisation. God did not inspire the translation 1604–1611, which makes the accusation about inspiring or keeping the printers from making errors entirely foolish. The Word of God has always been incorrupt. Obviously, at any time in history, it was not always in a perfect text or translation, or in a perfect presentation. This does not mean that perfection down to the jot and tittle is impossible. In fact, it has occurred with the Pure Cambridge Edition, see it as presented at www.bibleprotector.com . Such errors have been discerned and fixed through the history of the text by the general consensus and working of many printers, editors, Anglican leaders and other Christians, so that we can be sure that it is entirely correct today. Investigation of the internal and external history of the KJB shows this as consistent and Biblical.

[quote:288e6d0578]Who publishes the uncorrupted KJV? Cambride, Oxford, Kirkbride, Scofield, AMG, Zondervan, one of the Bible Societies, or one of the many other publishers? Why do they differ slightly, even occasionally in words?[/quote:288e6d0578]

The text and translation of the KJB is correct in all traditional editions, and is observable throughout its lineage. The Cambridge Editions particularly are taken to be better, and the very best is the Pure Cambridge Edition. Of course various editions differ due to print errors, the general standardisation of English and editorial work. However, this is not an ongoing process leading to more multiplicity. Rather, there was a process of purification with the KJB to get the presentation right. Remember that the text and translation were already correct in 1611, so it was only the presentation which needed work in subsequent editions, not changes in the underlying text or translation.

The idea that language is evolving, and therefore that the KJB can yet be altered (in regards to spelling, grammar and language) opens a very dangerous precedent, because there would be no authority to make such changes, and all changes would invariably be away from exactness, also would tend to harm and contradict the idea that God’s Word has been purified and presented as finalised.

[quote:288e6d0578]If passages like Psalm 12:6-7 and Matt 5:18 are about the KJV, what did these passages mean in 1610? In 1500? In 500 AD? Do these things, in the original context, have anything to do with a 17th century English translation of scripture? [/quote:288e6d0578]

Such passages have a number of applications, not merely particularly to mean the King James Bible. Thus, these passages were always true, and had a number of meanings that the Holy Ghost knew about at all times.

[quote:288e6d0578]When you encounter an archaic term or phrase in the KJV, or come across a “contradiction”, why do you rely on fallible tools (dictionaries, etc) to interpret the infallible? [/quote:288e6d0578]

Difficult words or seeming contradictions may be resolved by the reliance on the spirit of God, Christian ministry and personal study. Utilising a dictionary is only a secondary option, and not absolutely necessary for the proper and true understanding of the Scripture.

[quote:288e6d0578]Suppose you lived in the 10th or 15th century. How would you define “preservation” as it related to God’s word, so as to not contradict the KJV-only position? [/quote:288e6d0578]

Since God has preserved His Word through all ages, the same doctrine must apply. Therefore, the King James Bible presents both only a part of God’s preservation, and is also the final form of it, which is to say, that it is the supersuccessionary form of the Scripture.

[quote:288e6d0578]The KJV came out in 1611. Where was the “final authority”, the “preserved word of God” in 1610 and prior? Why does the KJV differ from it, and how was it “final” if the KJV replaced it? Explain. [/quote:288e6d0578]

The Scripture was, in 1610, scattered. However, the Scripture was not “nonexisting” in 1610. It was just not presented perfectly in one book. Therefore, the King James Bible of 1611 does not “differ” from the Scripture of 1610, it only renders it perfectly in one book in 1611, and the King James Bible thus became the one form to replace all the varying forms of Scripture. This process is all but complete today, save for the millions who do not know English yet, and are still using other forms of Scripture.

[quote:288e6d0578]If scripture is the sole authority for matters of faith and doctrine, then by what authority should anyone accept the doctrine of KJV-onlyism? Since scripture does not teach the doctrine of KJV-onlyism, is it not then an extra-Biblical doctrine? Why should we accept a doctrine needing a second authority, proclaimed by those who argue that there is only one authority for matters of doctrine in the first place? [/quote:288e6d0578]

Since all doctrines are derived from Scripture, and the Scripture may be interpreted to teach a sound KJBO doctrine, therefore, if it be consistent, it is true. It is indeed consistent, and there is only one thing upon which this doctrine is founded, which is the objective truth of the King James Bible as Scripture itself. The KJB is true, as may be confirmed by itself, and by self-authentication, therefore KJBO doctrine is true.

Those who argue against KJBO must have no correct form of Scripture. If they hold to a form of Scripture which they believe is perfect (e.g. the Vulgate), it will be found to be inconsistent by both internal and external arguments that that version is perfectly correct.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1225', 'fccabd4084', 'The Prosperous Church', 'The following are the notes for a sermon I preached called &quot;Does God provide divive prosperity?&quot; Use it to study out what the Bible says and see that God has a purpose in blessing His people.

-------------------------------------------------
“Does God provide divine prosperity?” ©  by Craig Savige

1. True prosperity is from God.

2 Chron. 26:5 “God made him to prosper”

Ps. 14:1-4 	“The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.”

Prov. 1:29-32 “the prosperity of fools shall destroy them”

Thus, there is a false and evil prosperity – people should not be deceived by this!

Deut. 8:6-20 “remember the LORD thy God”

Eccl. 5:18,19 “God hath given riches and wealth”

Gen. 24:1 “the LORD had blessed Abraham in all things”

2 Cor. 8:9	“for your sakes he became poor”

Gal. 3:7-9,13,14,29 “blessed with faithful Abraham” [i.e in ALL things].

3 John 2,3	“walkest in the truth”

Matt. 22:37-40 “love the Lord thy God”

1 Tim. 6:10 “the love of money”

We are to love God not money. God is our source of supply.

Matt. 6:24 “mammon”

Luke 8:1-3	“ministered unto him of their substance”

A person\'s substance (ie. money and other possessions) can be used to minister to God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1226', '8c2eb51731', 'George Orwell on modern English', 'George Orwell wrote:

Now that I have made this catalogue of swindles and perversions, let me give another example of the kind of writing that they lead to. This time it must of its nature be an imaginary one. I am going to translate a passage of good English into modern English of the worst sort. Here is a well-known verse from Ecclesiastes:

I returned and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

Here it is in modern English:

Objective considerations of contemporary phenomena compels the conclusion that success or failure in competitive activities exhibits no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity, but that a considerable element of the unpredictable must invariably be taken into account.

This is a parody, but not a very gross one.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1227', '8fb572c279', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;[14] Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise.
[15] Behold, they say unto me, Where is the word of the LORD? let it come now.
[16] As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right before thee.&quot; (Jeremiah 17:14-16).

The pastors of the churches should know where the Word of God is. In these verses, the writer is &quot;a pastor to follow&quot; God and others confidently ask him: &quot;Where is the word of the LORD?&quot; This has not changed and God commands His ministers to &quot;Feed the flock of God which is among you&quot; (1 Peter 5:2a). God\'s Word is the food and it is in the Church that there should be nourishment for the people of God: &quot;nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine&quot; (see 1 Timothy 4:6).

The tragedy is that there are pastors feeding the people with the dross of modern versions, then wondering why there is no strength, proper unity of the spirit, or godly knowledge. God\'s will is, of course, shown in the following: &quot;And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.&quot; (Jeremiah 3:15).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1228', '153d9bd277', 'Ephesians 6:24 - amen', '[color=darkblue:153d9bd277]Hi Folks,
[/color:153d9bd277][color=indigo:153d9bd277]
Ephesian 6:24 
Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity.  Amen. 

Written from Rome unto the Ephesians by Tychicus.[/color:153d9bd277]
[color=darkblue:153d9bd277]
Could you give the textual history unto the PCE of the \'amen\' in Ephesians 6:24 ?
  
Thanks for whatever info you may have.

(Apparently this is a situation where Scrivener\'s Greek, perhaps following the 1611 KJB, does not have the pure text. This leads to the secondary question of how consistent was Scrivener\'s Greek (did he discuss how he discerned a 1611 error versus a 1611 text properly updated, as in the 1629 and 1638 updates.. all that is secondary yet interesting).  Also interesting is whether there are any Greek TR editions without &quot;amen&quot; (amen being the Greek Majority text).  If all they all have the &quot;amen&quot; and it was restored by 1638, then there is basically no doubt that this was simply an oversight in 1611.   Why Scrivener would omit it would then be doubly curious.

Shalom,
Steven[/color:153d9bd277]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1229', '1d591a8fd0', '', 'Scrivener lists, on page 262, that the “Amen” in Eph. 6:24 is one of the places where “the Translators of 1611 have apparently followed the Latin Vulgate” (in conjunction with other comparable witnesses), “mostly after the example of Tyndale, sometimes of Versions later than his”.

As for the various Greek editions of the New Testament, I do not know the situation, only that Scrivener’s constructed Greek does not have “Amen”, just as the work in the English has been to cut it out (e.g. David Norton’s edition). “Amen” is not in all Greek Texts, but it is present in some, as is implied by Norton. I would not be surprised if it is a majority Greek rendering.

From a Received Text point of view, it is already a witness in the English in Tyndale’s Testament, and I see it in the Geneva and in the Bishops’. So the omission in 1611 seems to be the fault of the printers.

As far as the editions of the KING JAMES BIBLE, the word is restored in 1616, confirmed again in 1629. The early date of change, and the keeping of that change in ensuing years does much to confirm that it was accidentally omitted in 1611.

The fact that this omission in the English and that the word is not found in all of the Greek witness seems more coincidental than a pattern indicating that underlying textual changes took place over the years. (If they did, it would be by a seemingly most haphazard and unheralded method!)

Scrivener\'s omission of &quot;Amen&quot; in Eph. 6:24 in his Greek is a deliberate blunder.

I wonder about his dealing with the other examples listed here (scan/ocr):

Matt. xii. 24, 27; Mark iii. 22; Luke xi. 15, 18, 19,
Beelzebub. So Tynd. (So also Compl. in Matt. x. 25). Mark
xiii. 37 u quod. xiv. 43 om. wr. So Tynd. Luke i. 35 nasectur.
So Tynd. i. 49 /xcyaAa magna. So Tynd. xx. 35
habebuntur. So Tynd. xxiii. 34 sortes: but sortem Matt.
xxvii. 35; Mark xv. 24; John xix. 24, the English versions
having lots in all the four places, save that Wicklif alone
keeps up the distinction of Vulg. xxiii. 46. 7rapcm0e//,ai commendo.
So Tynd. John vii. 9 om. Se. So Tynd. x. 16 unum
ovile Vulg. So Great Bible and Geneva 1557. xii. 26 om.
KCU after lorai. So Rhemish Version 1582. xviii. i TOV

KeSpcuV, Cedron. So Tynd. Acts ii. 22 approbation. SoTynd.
iv. 32 cor unum Vulg. Clementine. So Tynd. vi. 3 Karaa-T-rj-
(TW/JLC.V constituamus. So Tynd. vii. 26 o-wrjXXacrcrev reconciliabat.
So Tynd. yii. 44 om. o : loquens. So Tynd. x. 20
itaque (aAAa). So Tynd. xiii. i Simeon (Si/xcoi/ Er. : Simon
Vulg. in ch. xv. 14). xiii. 15 ei rts si quis. So Tynd. xvii. 30
hujus ignoranticz. SoTynd. xix. 2oeo\\}Dei Vulg. Clementine.
So Tynd. xxiii. 15 aliquid certius (om. TO). So Tynd. xxiv.
25 tremefactus Vulg. Clementine. So Tynd. xxvi. 6 Trarepa?
rj}jiv patres nostros. So Tynd. Rom. xiv. 2 #/2kr ;&amp;amp;gt;//. So
Rhemish 1582. xvi. 4 suas cervices. So Tynd. i Cor. xiii.
i velut ccs sonans. SoTynd. xvi. 23 domini nostri. So Geneva
I 557- Gal. lv- T 5 text: ubi&amp;amp;gt; So Rhemish 1582. Eph. vi.
24 om. App. Vulg. MSS. (A. V. 1611): not Vulg. Clemen
tine (A. V. 1616). Phil. ii. 21 I?7&amp;amp;lt;rou Xpto-rov ykra; Christi.
So Tynd. Col. i. 4 quam habetis. So Tynd. nearly, i. 24.
qui nunc. So Rhemish 1582. i Thess. ii. 12 qui vocavit.
So Tynd. ii. 13 o^x ws Xoyov ;z&amp;amp;lt;?;/ #/ verbum. So Tynd.
ii. 1 6 ^;//;;;. SoTynd. iv. i ut quemadmodnm. So Rhemish
1582. i Tim. i. 17 immortali. So Tynd. iii. 15 oporteat
te. So Tynd. iv. 1 5 om. ei/ : manifestus sit omnibus (A. V.
marg. in all things). 2 Tim. i. 18 BirjKo^a-e /x.ot ministravit
mihi Vulg. Clementine. So Tynd. James iii. 14 cordibus
vestris. So Tynd. i Pet. ii. 13 om. ovv. So Tynd. i John
iii. 20 &amp;amp;lt;?;. ort secund. So Tynd. v. 8 hi tres Vulg. Clemen
tine. So Tynd. 2 John 3 cWco ^V. So Tynd. Rev. xiii. 10
qui in captivitatcm duxcrit, in captivitatem vadet. Vulg.
Clementine. So Tynd. xvi. ii om. e/c secund. So Tynd.
xvii. 9 et hie. So Tynd. xviii. 23 ^aVry lucebit. So Geneva
1557-

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1230', '74d893b25a', '', '[color=darkblue:74d893b25a]Hi Folks,[/color:74d893b25a]

[quote:74d893b25a=\"bibleprotector\"]already a witness in the English in Tyndale’s Testament, and I see it in the Geneva and in the Bishops’. So the omission in 1611 seems to be the fault of the printers....As far as the editions of the KING JAMES BIBLE, the word is restored in 1616, confirmed again in 1629. The early date of change, and the keeping of that change in ensuing years does much to confirm that it was accidentally omitted in 1611....Scrivener\'s omission of &quot;Amen&quot; in Eph. 5:24 in his Greek is a deliberate blunder....I wonder about his dealing with the other examples listed here [/quote:74d893b25a] [color=darkblue:74d893b25a]Thanks, Matthew. 

And right.  Since this was clearly a blunder by Scrivener, made worse by ascribing it to the Vulgate, you then have to wonder if any of the similar Scrivener verses are accurate.

Maybe later we can take three more significant ones and research them independently, checking as much of the following as possible.

a) Tyndale, Geneva, Bishops
b) First corrected KJB edition
c) Stephanus and Beza 
d) Greek Majority 
e) Vulgate &amp; Complutensian

On Ephesians 6:24 the 1616 restoration alone basically takes care of any possibility that this was a later editing change (a claim of a 1700s editing, towards Stephanus, which is what got me interested).  Even a 1629 or 1638 restoration would have been sufficient to show that the error was simply 1611 .. and omissions, as we know (only \'scientific textual critics\' don\'t understand this) are the easiest type of textual error. 

Shalom,
Steven [/color:74d893b25a]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1231', '49be2fbc93', '', 'An accident of printing could easily survive for several years from 1611 to 1616, even though various people would be checking, and at times reprinted, and many people reading and using the Bibles.

I wrote:

[quote:49be2fbc93]I had Scrivener\'s omission of &quot;Amen&quot; in Eph. 5:24 in his Greek is a deliberate blunder[/quote:49be2fbc93]

Notice that it should be Eph. 6:24, which I have now corrected.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1232', '5d051b0444', 'errors caught by 1616, 1629, 1638', '[color=darkblue:5d051b0444]Hi Folks,[/color:5d051b0444]

[quote:5d051b0444=\"bibleprotector\"]An accident of printing could easily survive for several years from 1611 to 1616[/quote:5d051b0444] [color=darkblue:5d051b0444]
And I think nuanced printing errors or significant changes of any kind could even survive as late as 1638.  There would be a reluctance to change the text, which is why the fact that original KJB translators worked on the 1638 has real significance. 

However, after that pretty much we should only be talking about spelling-style and punctuation-type changes.  While changes like a word included or omitted, as far as I can tell, were all clarified by 1638 -- and the PCE will have support back in those days in at least some edition.

Shalom,
Steven[/color:5d051b0444]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1233', 'b9fc509b78', 'The Protector, 1 March 2009', '[img:b9fc509b78]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:b9fc509b78]

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[size=18:b9fc509b78][color=darkblue:b9fc509b78]EDITORIAL[/color:b9fc509b78][/size:b9fc509b78]

EVERY WORD IS IMPORTANT

Every single word of the Bible is important.

“But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” (Matthew 4:4).

We should endeavour to understand the Scripture, and know what its words mean.

“To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.” (Proverbs 1:6).

Studying the Word of God is important in God’s eyes, and this is the proper way of interpreting Scripture.

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Tim. 2:15).

Here are some points to help:

1. Every word of the Scripture is important because each word is individual, with individual meanings. Names have meanings. Therefore, the keeping of the words themselves is important, because whole doctrines can change by changing words. We would not want “JEHOVAH” changed into something else.

2. One word does not strictly mean the same thing as another word, even though both might be used in the Pure Cambridge Edition. This is because one word for some reason has been chosen to stand at that place in its order rather than another synonym.

3. Similar words are not identical, such as “alway” and “always”, “ensample” and “example”, “stablish” and “establish”, “yes” and “yea”, etc.

Already, from the above points, realise should realise how dangerous it is to change or alter even the most minor things in the King James Bible as it now stands in the Pure Cambridge Edition.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1234', '67d53bd7b8', '', 'As a general view, it would be very likely that printing errors from 1611 should have been resolved somewhere up to or in 1638.

There are sometimes changes like &quot;you&quot; to &quot;ye&quot; in 1762/1769 which may yet have been persisting print errors, but these could easily fall into the catagory of standardising the language and also be in the catagory of regularisation.

The following examples show this (usually changes on the basis of grammar):

Matthew 9:34 &quot;casteth out the devils&quot; to &quot;casteth out devils&quot; (1762)

Matthew 13:6 &quot;had not root&quot; to &quot;had no root&quot; (1762)

Matthew 13:46 &quot;he went&quot; to &quot;went&quot; (1762/69)

Matthew 26:75 &quot;the words of Jesus&quot; to &quot;the word of Jesus&quot; (1762)

Matthew 27:52 &quot;bodies of Saints&quot; to &quot;bodies of the saints&quot; (1762)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1235', '3bb5c31b4d', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', '“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.” (Revelation 12:10, 11)

“For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.” (Romans 10:10, 11).

These Scriptures are related to healing. Firstly, just in the same way that the heart believes unto righteousness, the heart also believes unto healing. If we can believe God saves by faith, we can believe He heals by faith. Our words should affirm this, so that our confession is made unto healing. We should let the Bible support our thoughts and words. The devil is overcome through godly words and beliefs. The word of our testimony, which is backed by the Sword of the Spirit, will always cause us to triumph over the devil\'s attempt to bring sickness and disease into our lives. We shall not be ashamed because God will never let us down when we stand in faith.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1236', 'd9a90a1449', '', '[color=darkblue:d9a90a1449]Hi Folks,[/color:d9a90a1449]

[quote:d9a90a1449=\"bibleprotector\"] these could easily fall into the catagory of standardising the language and also be in the catagory of regularisation.
[/quote:d9a90a1449] [color=darkblue:d9a90a1449]
And I would say that all of those given were regularisation.  None were really textual in the manner of Ephesians 6:24 and a number of other verses. 

By comparison I see a textual adjustment as beyond simple spelling, punctuation, preposition, conjunction, article, plural, word-form (no-not). A textual adjustment is more directly text and differing meaning and will reflect either :

a) underlying Greek text distinction  (ie. a specific variant as Eph 6:24)  

b) difference in meaning of sense and import (1 Cor 12:28 - helps, governments)

This distinction being sensible -- thus, so far, I am comfortable with a 1638 ending point for textual adjustments, corrections, refinements, purifications.  (Which is why the two KJB translators working on 1638 takes on a solid significance.)  I have seen a few that were clearly significant that were not corrected to 1629 or 1638 -- Eph 6:24 being the one of this thread.  

So I offer this view up for your consideration.  In the discussions I notice that when challenges are made to KJB text and meaning -- we find that the PCE is reflected no later than 1638.  Are there possibly exceptions ?  Maybe .. however I have seen none. (And I also view the distinction between text+sense purifications and regularisations as rather simple and solid.)

Shalom,
Steven[/color:d9a90a1449]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1237', '9a5c19e506', 'Final form.', '[quote:9a5c19e506]The reason why the King James Bible should be used is because it represents the definitive and final form of the Received Text.[/quote:9a5c19e506]

If this were truly understood, it would answer many questions for many people. If it were truly understood that &quot;the tradition ... received&quot; (see 1 Thessalonians 3:6) textually is the King James Bible, specifically the Pure Cambridge Edition, then many differences amongst the KJBO brethren would effectively dissolve and the fight against error would be formidable to the enemy. [b:9a5c19e506]Certainty of the words of truth[/b:9a5c19e506] is of utmost importance.

&quot;Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?&quot; (Proverbs 22:20,21).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1238', 'b378988c9f', 'The word of faith in the heart and in the mouth', 'The Word of faith in our mouth and in our heart, a four part sermon series preached by Pastor Craig Savige at Victory Faith Centre.
11th of January 2009 — part 1
MP3 (6.75 MB), 39:20.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/11-01-09_CS_Word_mouth_heart_1[/url]
25th of January 2009 — part 2
MP3 (6.23 MB), 36:19.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/25-1-09_CS_Word_mouth_heart_2[/url]
8th of February 2009 — part 3
MP3 (6.87 MB), 40:01.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/08-02-09_CS_Word_mouth_heart_3[/url]
15th of February 2009 — part 4
MP3 (6.03 MB), 35:10.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/15-02-09_CS_Word_mouth_heart_4[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1239', '5045542b14', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'The old established paths are the solution to the modernist invasion and confusion in the churches. The confusion centres around what is true and what is not. Only trust in a stable, unchangeable Word from God can give certainty of truth.

&quot;Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.&quot; (Psalm 119:152). The psalmist had &quot;known of old&quot; the testimonies or words of God. It was not a new, yearly-changing thing, nor was it something established for a season (eg. the surfer\'s modern version is by definition only &quot;viable&quot; for a season and only for those who hold to such instability). The King James Bible only position answers the modernists by pointing them to a &quot;known of old&quot; Bible that has certainty.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1240', '53090649f7', 'The Protector, 8 March 2009', '[img:53090649f7]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:53090649f7]

[color=red:53090649f7]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:53090649f7]

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[size=18:53090649f7][color=darkblue:53090649f7]EDITORIAL[/color:53090649f7][/size:53090649f7]

NATIONAL IDENTITY

The Left has largely re-engineered Australian history, so that we today are descendants of convicts who created a nation subject to the United Nations. Of course, this entire foundational belief is false.

1. Lying is bad. “... all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8).

2. Having a small view of good things, and of the nation, is unpatriotic and even treasonable.

3. The conflict is ideologically, squarely between a Bible-based national power versus a weakling nation which tolerates almost anything except Bible-onlyism.

“‘I would not wish convicts to lay the FOUNDATIONS OF AN EMPIRE’ [wrote Governor Phillip]; so he urged that ‘they should ever remain separate from the garrisons or other settlers as they came from Europe, until their terms of exile had expired.’ ... ‘English laws will, of course, be introduced in New South Wales’. (page 93).

“... Australia, had ... only one chaplain, one Bible, and not even [i:53090649f7]one[/i:53090649f7] schoolmaster. Of course, those first batches of convicts were in no sense the ‘founders’ of Australia. They endured much; but they founded nothing, discovered nothing, built nothing, contributed nothing to the coming State. ... The true founders of Australia were the free settlers that came later”. (page 108).

Source: Fitchett, 1917, The New World of the South

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“The lines are fallen unto me in pleasant places; yea, I have a goodly heritage.” (Psalm 16:6).

How we view our history, what we possess as our heritage, is the key to our destiny!

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A pertinent quote by George Orwell
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Answering 10 accusations against the KJB
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Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
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The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1241', '60728cb3ce', 'What is faith?', '“NOW faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” (Hebrews 11:1).

Faith is powerful. It is the substance of things we hope for, and the evidence of things not seen as yet. There is a difference between faith and hope. Hope is the expectation and desire for something, but faith is the [b:60728cb3ce]substance[/b:60728cb3ce]. What is substance? Substance is a reality, a solidity. An example of the difference between faith and hope is that a person may hope to one day go to Heaven, but without the real [i:60728cb3ce]faith [/i:60728cb3ce]in Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Saviour, that hope will not be realised. Faith is a force within the human spirit which needs to be linked to the Word of God, that is, to God’s specific promises. This gives faith its anchor and connection to God’s blessings. In the above example faith lays hold on this promise: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1242', '8f8bc04643', 'Another Site Promoting the Pure Cambridge Edition', 'Thank you Matthew.

Take a look at this site that has been around for a while.
Look at what it now includes in defense of the King James Bible.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/KJB/pce.htm');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1243', 'e517381bcb', '', 'It is good to see various KJBO people understanding the importance of having a standard KJB, and that there is a pure edition.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1244', '662495cbd2', 'Expect God\'s power today.', 'If you don\'t expect miracles, they will never happen in your life.

If you don\'t expect God\'s power to work in your life, then it won\'t.

If you don\'t expect healing, then it will evade you.

How is this expectancy obtained?

&quot;He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?&quot; (Galatians 3:5). Since the &quot;hearing of faith&quot; has not stopped for the people of God, then neither have miracles. We see how faith (hence, expectancy) comes: &quot;So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.&quot; (Romans 10:17).

A person can go to church all their life but if that church never preaches about the power of God to heal (for instance), then there will be no faith for it and no results in that area. In fact, if the church they attend actively teaches against it, then the resultant seeds can lead to a harvest that is  quite devastating in their lives.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1245', '00ef388df1', 'Expect God\'s power today.', 'There is power that works in those who believe the Bible and not seek to explain it away. “Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.” (Mark 9:23).

Talking of Abraham, the Bible says, “He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.” (Romans 4:20,21). Clearly, unbelief causes people to stagger and not expect God’s power in their life. This is against the walk of faith. Just because this might go against a person’s experiences, it does not give grounds for rejecting the Word of God in this area.

“Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us” (Ephesians 3:20).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1246', '6b0053f370', 'KJB and archaic.', 'It is clear that because the King James Bible is [b:6b0053f370]currently [/b:6b0053f370]in use [b:6b0053f370]worldwide[/b:6b0053f370], then [b:6b0053f370]all the words in it are relevant for today[/b:6b0053f370], including the difficult ones. Christians must be students of the Bible and seek guidance from the Spirit of truth. Every word in the King James Bible matters and none of them can be classified as &quot;archaic&quot;.

Students of the Bible would do well to listen to the sermon on this site &quot;Does the King James Bible use \'archaic\' words?&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1247', '3cc8fe39c6', '', 'The King James Bible is the inspired Word of God. The Words are alive, inspired and powerful today. We are reading the divine message, the very Word of God in English.

&quot;It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.&quot; (John 6:63).

The whole scripture is dited by God’s Spirit, 
thereby (as by his lively word) 
to instruct and rule the whole Church militant, 
till the end of the world.
(KING JAMES I, Basilikon Doron, 1599.)

we shall be traduced by Popish Persons at home or abroad, 
who therefore will malign us, 
because we are poor instruments 
to make God’s holy Truth 
to be yet more and more known unto the people
(T. BILSON, The Epistle Dedicatory, 1611.)

The true Succession is through the Spirit given in its measure. 
The Spirit is given for that use,
‘To make proper Speakers-forth of God’s eternal Truth;’ 
and that’s right Succession.
(O. CROMWELL, Speech the First, 1653.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1248', '82fb4d7964', 'The Protector, 15 March 2009', '[img:82fb4d7964]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:82fb4d7964]

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WELCOME! [i:82fb4d7964]The Protector[/i:82fb4d7964] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:82fb4d7964][color=darkblue:82fb4d7964]EDITORIAL[/color:82fb4d7964][/size:82fb4d7964]

RELIGIOUS HISTORICAL REVISIONISM

Roman Catholicism has been the worst offender of revising and altering history. And it all began revising Christianity to suit the Pagan beliefs of the Roman Empire! The Emperor Constantine outwardly became a Christian but inwardly he was still pagan.

If someone says that Christianity is just a form of paganism designed to control people, we may refute them. Roman Catholicism has been used that way, but it is absurd to reject all Christianity just because some Christians are false.

The man known as St Patrick is quite unlike the stories which Roman Catholics tell, and Patrick is not the god of drunken revelry (as people seem to think today).

Ireland was once brought to the Gospel of Christ. Then Roman Catholicism took over. Since the Reformation, there has been a continuing Catholic-inspired insurrection against the advance of Protestant religion. The reality is that Anglo-Protestantism is the advance and continuation of Patrick’s Irish Church!

[color=orange:82fb4d7964]BRITISH-WELSH CELTIC CHURCH &gt; PATRICK &gt; IRISH CELTIC CHURCH &gt; COLUMBA &gt; SCOTTISH CELTIC CHURCH &gt; AIDAN/OSWALD &gt; NORTHERN ENGLAND &gt; BEDE &gt; WESSEX/ALFRED &gt; ANGLO-SAXON RESISTANCE &gt; LOLLARDS &gt; REFORMATION ANGLICANS AND PURITANS[/color:82fb4d7964]

When the Pope lost Temporal Power in 1798, it required a new tact. Since that time there has been a colossal struggle in the realm of Information Warfare. Rome has reinvented herself as the champion of humanitarianism. As Protestants buy into these errors, most especially the modern version error, things will not be well for them.

“For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the LORD: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.” (Jeremiah 10:21).

It is no wonder that secularists reject religion and the atheists multiply, because of the lies and weakness of false or compromised Christianity.

“The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth. The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.” (Ecclesiastes 12:10, 11).

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Inspiration: Is the King James Bible inspired?
1. The original autographs were inspired, we have a faithful gathered copy and translation in the KJB, therefore the KJB is the inspired Word of God.
2. The translators were not inspired 1604–1611, but they were handling the words which are full of inspiration power.
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1249', '01a6c8bec2', 'What is faith?', 'Faith is a spiritual force which has been put into the heart of every believer.

“For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [i:01a6c8bec2]of himself[/i:01a6c8bec2] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.” (Romans 12:3).

All believers have [u:01a6c8bec2]the[/u:01a6c8bec2] measure of faith inside their hearts. This measure of faith can be developed, increased and strengthened. Faith arises and develops by hearing the Word of God.

“So then faith [i:01a6c8bec2]cometh [/i:01a6c8bec2]by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” (Romans 10:17).

Faith increases with use. It is like a spiritual muscle. The more it\'s used, the stronger it will become. This involves tenaciously holding on to God’s promises in the face of the trials and temptations of life until you see the victory manifested.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1250', '254f2365bb', 'The Judgment Seat of Christ', 'Audio sermon:

[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/15-03-09_SS_Prepared_Judgment_Seat_Christ[/url]

It is very important that all true Christians know this basic doctrine, as clearly laid out here by Samantha Savige.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1251', 'a4b19fd894', 'Amen Or Not', '[quote:a4b19fd894]As far as the editions of the KING JAMES BIBLE, the word is restored in 1616, confirmed again in 1629. The early date of change, and the keeping of that change in ensuing years does much to confirm that it was accidentally omitted in 1611.[/quote:a4b19fd894]

1611 omit
1612 omit
1666 Amen.
1641 Elzevir Amen.
William Whittingham\'s NT 1557 Amen.
Tyndale 1534 Amen.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1252', '8ee98ea2cd', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.&quot; (Isaiah 59:11).

In my book &quot;[url=http://www.bibleprotector.com/Authorized_King_James_Bible_Connection.pdf]The Authorized King James Bible Connection[/url]&quot;, I state: &quot;Something is tremendously wrong when we come to the plethora of
contradictory, error-filled \'bible\' versions, which have infiltrated the Church today.&quot;

The fact of the modern versions present and used in many churches today points to the enemy coming in like a flood. This is answered by the Lord in raising up a standard against the enemy. This standard against Satan\'s modern versions is that of the one, pure Bible, which is clearly seen as the King James Bible. Because there has been an entry for the enemy, then there has been enemy activity within the churches and the white-washed &quot;Christianity&quot; many profess is the evidence. &quot;And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.&quot; (1 John 2:17). There is an end of the world coming and the devils backing it - woe to those who have agreed with and pandered to the enemy of God and His Church.

The Church of today needs washing and this is how it will be accomplished: &quot;That he might sanctify and cleanse it [ie. the Church] with the washing of water by the word&quot; (Ephesians 5:26).');
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BIBLE PROPHECY FULFILLED

In Daniel 5:28 Daniel said, “PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.” Then, “In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain.” (Daniel 5:30).

History relates, according to Xenophon, that two generals led Cyrus’ army up the river Euphrates into Babylon, and turning the course of the river away, were able to enter the city by the waterway. The people of Babylon were revelling, and so the armies were able to come up to the king’s palace. The king ordered the palace doors be opened, that he might find out what was the matter in the city, and the Medes rushed in and killed the king.

We find that Jeremiah prophesied some years earlier, “Prepare against her the nations with the kings of the Medes, the captains thereof, and all the rulers thereof, and all the land of his dominion. And the land shall tremble and sorrow: for every purpose of the LORD shall be performed against Babylon, to make the land of Babylon a desolation without an inhabitant. The mighty men of Babylon have forborn to fight, they have remained in their holds: their might hath failed; they became as women: they have burned her dwellingplaces; her bars are broken. One post shall run to meet another, and one messenger to meet another, to shew the king of Babylon that his city is taken at one end, And that the passages are stopped, and the reeds they have burned with fire, and the men of war are affrighted. For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; The daughter of Babylon is like a threshingfloor, it is time to thresh her: yet a little while, and the time of her harvest shall come.” (Jeremiah 51:28–33).

What is even more amazing is that Isaiah the prophet named the Medo-Persian leader many years beforehand, “Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut” (Isaiah 45:1).

How did Isaiah know about Cyrus over 150 years beforehand, or Jeremiah know of the Medo-Persian overthrow of Babylon over 70 years beforehand, or Daniel know of Belshazzar’s demise hours beforehand?

“This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.” (Daniel 4:17).

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Inspiration: Is the King James Bible inspired?
1. The original autographs were inspired, we have a faithful gathered copy and translation in the KJB, therefore the KJB is the inspired Word of God.
2. The translators were not inspired 1604–1611, but they were handling the words which are full of inspiration power.
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1254', '60835f94a9', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.&quot; (2 Timothy 1:13).

Many churches of today have not held fast to the form of sound words. The word &quot;form&quot; means that the words of God are in a particular format and have been delivered in a particular way. The unity of the brethren loving and holding such sound words is truly a great thing. The holding fast is, in fact, &quot;in faith and love&quot;. This is the greatest way for unity of the brethren separated from the world.

Unsound words do not have the godly form that God has decreed, and the modern versions fit this because there is great deviation from the very words that God wants. Only the King James Bible has the exact form of sound words for today. It has &quot;every word&quot; (see Matthew 4:4) that God has given as revelation for man and it has been placed in one book for today.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1255', 'aa20dbfa76', '', 'BBC’s [i:aa20dbfa76]Gunpowder Treason and Plot[/i:aa20dbfa76] attempts to reinvent and recast the background of Scottish politics leading up to James the First coming to be King of England. This miniseries shows king James in a completely evil light, manipulating, tyrannical, bloodthirsty, physically twisted and a complete pervert. This is the total fabrication of true history.

In order to show this “King James” (a fictional rendering) in an unsettling light. On occasions this “James” appears to turn to the unsettlingly close camera and give out an almost Shakespearian mad ranting. And so we see this fictional “James” brutalising his wife and yet having a relationship with a young fellow. All of which is a gross attack on a man, of which true history shows to be quite the opposite.

But all the portrayal of James is truly nothing to do with the Gunpowder Plot. It is only a quarter away through the second part of the BBC production that the situation concerning religion in England is shown. Roman Catholicism is portrayed as serene, while the Protestants as bloodthristy warmongers. Again, so completely false, unhistorical and blatantly against the proper record of events.

The plot to blow up parliament and kill the king is apparently almost fully known by the King and Lord Cecil, and the implication is that they themselves are guilty for allowing the plot to proceed.

What is really evil is that the presence of the Jesuits is completely ignored and underrated. The plotters are shown to be a little stupid, except for Guy Fawkes. Guy Fawkes is found in a cellar under the Parliament chamber with a stack of barrels of gunpowder. The whole thing is done as if it is all obvious to everyone, and the fictional portrayal of “King James” is the one who is covering everything up, and using it all for his own gain.

[img:aa20dbfa76]http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc262/bibleprotector/robertcarlyle.jpg[/img:aa20dbfa76]
ROBERT CARLYLE, &quot;GUNPOWDER TREASON &amp; PLOT&quot;, BBC, (C) 2004

A probably worse book is Wayland’s [i:aa20dbfa76]Gunpowder Treason and Plot[/i:aa20dbfa76], a book forming part of the “Documentary History Series” by Lewis Winstock. This is a classroom book, which also portrays King James as a sexual maniac.

In telling the story of the plot, it completely empathises with the plotters, as though the Catholics were hard done by and were fully justified. It makes out as if the whole plot was more of the government’s invention rather than a Catholic conspiracy.

Antonia Fraser’s book [i:aa20dbfa76]The Gunpowder Plot[/i:aa20dbfa76] (and [i:aa20dbfa76]King James[/i:aa20dbfa76] from Book Club Associates) is a better secular narrative, but it minimises the Jesuitical inspiration, and it seems that the author has been to emotionally linked with the Catholic side of events, so that she doubts that the plotters ever attempted to dig a mine underground, and she excuses the Jesuits as not having power to stop the plot (though revealing their convention of lying about anything).

In reality Fraser’s documentation shows that the plotters were acting as Jesuits themselves, and were fulfilling the very instructions that Jesuits were supposed to do (according to a book written by one of them, that it was excusable to destroy the government even if innocents or Catholics would be harmed).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1256', 'f6c1227028', '', 'Brother Tim wrote (elsewhere),

[quote:f6c1227028]Matthew Verschuur (BibleProtector) is one of the most honorable young men that I have ever met. Though our fellowship is internet-based only, I have developed a strong admiration for his zeal and character. For years, I knew within myself that there had to be an answer to the variety of spellings that existed in the different printings of the KJB. My father and I talked often about it. He had a Cambridge that he felt was the exact text, and we determined that we must be the last ones concerned about the issue. As I began to use the internet, I found the issue very much alive. I came across BibleProtector\'s site and matched up the checklist. Dad\'s Bible is a PCE! He was right all along. My spirit was stirred more than it had been in a long time.[/quote:f6c1227028]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1257', 'd092e78ebe', '', 'There is a distinction between being TRO and being more specifically KJBO. Edward Hills wrote that the KJB is an independent variety of the TR. It is, in fact, the final form of the Received Text.

TROs tend to allow for changes to the KJB, as well as promoting foreign translations. Invariably these translations do not even match the text of the KJB is specific places, perhaps because they are using Scrivener\'s Greek as standard rather than the KJB. This is probably because TROs see the original languages as more authoritative than English.

The problem with the TRO view is that it cannot properly answer how to determine a difference or variation between TR readings, and allows for differing translations. 

Another problem is that TRO Bible study might mean going to the Greek and defining the Greek. For example, D. A. Waite talks about Greek words and interpreting the Scripture on that basis, rather than what the English says, and what the English means. This problem manifests itself in some of the definitions of the Defined KJV too.

David Cloud talks about the possibility of altering the English, which even Edward Hills suggested, but also showed why it would not work, saying, &quot;But in that case any version which we prepare today would be equally antiquated.&quot;

TROs also use jargon, such as &quot;VPI&quot; and &quot;VPP&quot;. Sure, they might be avid &quot;KJV supporters&quot; (they tend to say &quot;KJV&quot; instead of KJB), but this support does not go so far as to encoruge Bible Colleges to teach English so that they might learn the Scripture better, etc.

In short, they view the Scripture as being primarily in the originals, and do not definitively believe that it is 100% perfect in the English. For example, D. A. Waite says that the KJB is accurate, but that it cannot present 100% what was in the originals because, according to him, it is impossible to get 100% of the sense from the originals into English.

This actually denies that every jot and tittle is pure and perfect in the KJB. Jots, we are told, are in the Hebrew or Greek. But &quot;jot&quot; is an English word in the English Bible with an English meaning listed in an English dictionary!

Again, if the Scripture cannot be 100% in text and/or translation, then how can Scriptures such as these be true?

[b:d092e78ebe]Ro 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Ro 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

Ro 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:[/b:d092e78ebe]

It is therefore the work of Christ to order in His Church such ministries, offices and investments as are necessary and right, according to His working, to set about to provide in the earth His true Scripture, and the furthering of the knowledge of it.

Unashamedly, I say that we had rather have one standard, according to Isaiah’s prophecies, than to have what the Dean Burgon Society labours to have, which is thousands of translations to every tribe and dialect, rather than conformity to one standard for all, made common, and proved to be true.

I find that David Livingston taught the brightest and most zealous natives English, and that they would be set to be the future spiritual leaders. I find that in Australia, the Aborigines were taught English, and it took until 2007 for a complete Bible (a modern version) to be made in just one of their dialects. I say that the aims of Richard Hakluyt, Oliver Cromwell and others were higher, and that the William Carey Bible Society is viewing things with the limitations of the nineteenth century, rather than having the nineteenth century truth advancing (in what Dean Trench referred to as “manly” English) for all.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1258', 'faf888ef40', 'What is faith?', 'Faith needs to be based on the known will of God, which has been revealed to us in the Bible. That’s why it’s important to be familiar with the Word of God, so we can stand firmly on the solid foundation. Using our faith, we lay hold on God’s promises and hold onto them in our hearts and minds until we see the thing we want manifest from the spiritual realm into this natural, physical realm. For example, if you’re a born-again Christian, the Bible says you’re healed (1 Peter 2:24). Using your faith, you take hold on this promise and speak, think (the Bible says our minds can be renewed) and act in agreement with the Word until the outward signs of health and strength manifest in your body.
“Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.” (1 Tim. 6:12)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1259', '3feb675bb1', 'What is Biblical preaching?', '&quot;For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.&quot; (2 Timothy 4:3,4).

The sound doctrine coming from Biblical preachers will be from the heart of God and sometimes this includes hard teaching of truths people may not want to hear. If the people are not open to hear truth, they will &quot;not endure sound doctrine&quot;. This has been the case with those who have heeded doctrines upholding modern versions as acceptable or doctrines compromising with evolutionary theory.

Biblical preachers preach what is truth, not what is designed to cater for &quot;itching ears&quot;. &quot;But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them&quot; (2 Timothy 3:13,14). Our assurance comes from preaching that comes from the Bible. We must be wary that seducers are not heeded.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1260', '68803fe6d6', 'The Protector, 29 March 2009', '[img:68803fe6d6]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:68803fe6d6]

[color=red:68803fe6d6]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:68803fe6d6]

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[size=18:68803fe6d6][color=darkblue:68803fe6d6]EDITORIAL[/color:68803fe6d6][/size:68803fe6d6]

RICHARD HAKLUYT

This week I discovered an interesting quote by a man who was a naval explorer in the time of Queen Elizabeth the First. I have updated his spelling, but have not changed his quotes which are based on the Geneva Bible.

“And therefore in seeking the Kingdom of God we are not only tied to the deep search of God’s sacred word and to live within the perfect limits of Christianity, but also by all means we are bound to multiply, and increase the flock of the faithful. ... God’s providence therein being considered who most mercifully saith by the mouth of his prophet, Esaias 66, I will come to gather all people and tongues, then shall they come and see my glory, of them that shall be saved. I will send some to the Gentiles in the sea and the isles far off that have not heard speak of me, and have not seen my glory, shall preach my peace among the Gentiles. [Paraphrase].

“And in this 65th Chapter he further saith, They seek me that hitherto have not asked for me, they find me that hitherto have not sought me. [Paraphrase].

“And again, Chapter 49, I will make ways upon all my mountains and my footpaths shall be exalted, and behold these shall come from far, some from the north and west, some from the land of Symis which is in the south. [Paraphrase].

“Then sith [since] it is so appointed that there shall be one shepherd and one flock, what hindereth us of England, (being by God’s mercy for the same purpose at this present most aptly prepared,) not to attempt that which God himself hath appointed to be performed, there is no doubt but that we of England are this saved people by the eternal and infallible presence of the Lord predestinated to be sent unto these Gentiles in the sea, to those isles and famous kingdoms there to preach the peace of the Lord, for are not we only set upon Mount Sion to give light to all the rest of the world, have not we the true handmaid [Queen Elizabeth the First] of the Lord to rule us, unto whom the eternal majesty of God hath revelled his truth and supreme power of excellency, by whom then shall the truth be preached, but by them unto whom the truth shall be revealed, it is only we therefore that must be these shining messengers of the Lord and none but we for as the prophet saith, O how beautiful are the feet of the messenger that bringeth the message from the mountain, that proclaimeth peace, that bringeth the good tidings and preacheth health and saith to Sion thy God is King. [Paraphrase].”

THE BLACK WAR AND WHITE LIES

In a presentation of creationism, a speaker showed a picture of several Aborigines wearing chains, and the speaker said, “Every single Tasmanian Aborigine was killed. Why? I think the evolution theory is directly responsible to what happened to the slaughter of the Aborigines.”

It is apparent that the conflict between the British settlers and the Aborigines happened before evolution was ever popular (1859), because the main dates for the conflict was between 1824 and 1830. The conflict arose because the Aborigines retaliated to the way in which some unsavoury men had been treating their women. The actual conflict was begun by the Aborigines, though not without provocation, but their response was against all settlers, even though various settlers had given gifts to the wondering natives.

As the warfare dragged on, Fitchett writes that one man decided that efforts should be put into civilising and converting the Aborigines: “Robinson was a Methodist, a deeply religious man ... His religion had lit in him a flame of pity for the native race, and common sense taught his pity to be practical.” He persuaded them to depart to their own special settlement.

The remaining Aborigines were transported to solidly-built cottages, which stand to this day, on Flinder’s Island. Yet the Aborigines died, because, “They were dying of grief, in a word — from a mere lack of interest in life.”

It was only later that evolutionary-inspired efforts were made to take the bodies of the natives as specimens.

Modern Leftist history blames the settlers for all kinds of atrocities and cruel conspiracies, including the lie that the British deliberately infected the natives with sickness. The real motive behind this is a hatred of Anglo-Protestantism. To some degree there may even be a conscious effort to hide the evolution-based atrocities by blaming religion and creating an exaggerated anti-colonial view.

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Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1262', '5b0072d206', 'The translation of the saints', 'We can see where the translation of the saints fits in the following Biblical timeline (which, of course, does not cover everything):

FIRST COMING OF CHRIST (Matt. 1:20-25)

CHURCH PREACHES THE WORD AND GROWS
(Acts 19:20)

TRANSLATION OF THE SAINTS (IN THE AIR)
(1 Thess. 4:16,17)

JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST (IN HEAVEN)
(2 Cor. 5:10; 1 Cor. 3:11-15)
• REWARDS GIVEN, SUCH AS CROWNS
• LOSSES EXPERIENCED

GREAT TRIBULATION ON EARTH
(Matt. 24:21,22)
• GOD’S WRATH POURED OUT
• FINAL ANTICHRIST RULES

SECOND COMING OF CHRIST WITH THE SAINTS (1 Thess. 3:13)

BATTLE OF ARMAGGEDON (Rev. 16:13-16)
• THE END OF THIS PRESENT WORLD

JUDGMENT OF THE NATIONS (Matt. 25:31-33)

CHRIST’S SETTING UP OF RULERSHIP OVER THE EARTH AS KING (Rev. 20:6)
• SATAN AND HIS ANGELS LOCKED UP
• SAINTS RULE WITH CHRIST
• RULERSHIP LAST 1000 YEARS');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1263', '06b35761b0', 'The Protector, 5 April 2009', '[img:06b35761b0]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:06b35761b0]

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THE BEST DOCTRINE WITH THE BEST WORD

The highest and best for of Christianity in the world is in the Anglo-Protestant tradition. In that tradition there is a specific line, such as the evangelical teachings of John Wesley, and the Pentecostal teachings of Smith Wigglesworth, which come into the highest and best doctrinal position which is held today. This is primarily manifest in English-speaking countries.

The best Bible in the whole world, for exactness of text, and accuracy in translation, is the King James Bible. This means that the best Christians are English-speaking, and they have the best Bible, which is English.

More and more people all over the world are learning English, and therefore, if we connect our beliefs with our book, we have the best opportunity for influencing the most people.

”Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, ... Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matthew 28:19a, 20.)

Nations are supposed to get into line with the very words of Christ, and His very doctrine. 

“But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;” (Titus 1:3).

We have been committed with and charged with the duty of getting His Word out.

William Muir in 1911 wrote, &quot;we find that the outcome of the labours of the translators was a volume which ever since it first appeared has gone forth conquering and to conquer, and which under God and through the testimony of His Holy Spirit, has been not merely the source of Britain’s greatness, but a source of blessing and consolation, of inspiration and revival.&quot; Again, &quot;Into the midst of all this yearning and all this darkness, the Bible came as a river of life. There had been tiny springs elsewhere which sent forth their streams, for God has never left Himself without a witness; but this is the river of God in all its majesty and fullness, and nowhere has it flowed more wonderfully into the lives of men than through our own Authorized Version.&quot; Again, &quot;DURING these three centuries of service the Authorized Version has done a great work, not only in the home and the Church, but also in the wider sphere of the national life. It has played a great part in the development of the nation on broad, generous lines; and has had far more to do with the prosperity of Great Britain and her offshoots, as compared with the Latin [nations].&quot;

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1265', 'bcd6ef8930', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself&quot; (Daniel 1:8a). &quot;Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.&quot; (Psalm 119:11).

The question for today is: How will the corrupting influence of modern versions be reversed in today\'s churches?

The answer is that there must be a purposing against receiving defilement. The progress of unity of the faith comes as follows:
(1) Purpose not to allow sin and defilement - this purposing starts in the heart of Christian believers.
(2) Love the truth of God. &quot;Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.&quot; (Psalm 119:140). This is connected to purity.
(3) Hide the pure words of God in the heart.
(4) Stand against error and devilish assault. &quot;Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.&quot; (Ephesians 6:13).');
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[i:9883593a74]This image lacks the fronds or frills required about the chest, and perhaps, back, of the beast.[/i:9883593a74]

William Buckley’s Testimony (living in the area 1803-1835).

[Lake Modewarre —] the water of which was perfectly fresh, abounding in large eels, which we caught in great abundance. In this lake, as well as most of the others inland, and in the deep water rivers, is a very extraordinary amphibious animal, which the natives call Bunyip, of which I could never see any part, except the back, which appeared to be covered with feathers of a dusky grey colour. It seemed to be about the size of a full grown calf, and sometimes larger; the creatures only appear when the whether is very calm, and the water smooth. I could never learn from any of the natives that they have seen either the head or tail, so that I could not form a correct idea of their size; or what they are like.

...

Jerringot — one of a chain [of lakes at Belmont Common] of that name — which supplies the Barwin River [Barwon]. Here the Bunyip — the extraordinary animal I have already mentioned — were often seen by the natives, who had a great dread of them, believing them to have some supernatural power over human beings, so as to occasion death, sickness, disease, and such like misfortunes. They have also a superstitious notion, that the great abundance of eels in some of the lagoons where these animals resort, are ordered for the Bunyip’s provision; and they therefore seldom long remain such neighbourhoods, after having seen the creature.

They told me a story of a woman having been killed by one of them, stating that it happened in this way. A particular family one day was surprised at the great quantity of eels they caught; for as fast as the husband could carry them back to their hut, the woman pulled them out of the lagoon. This, they said, was a cunning manoeuvre of a Bunyip, to lull her into security — so that in her husband’s absence he might seize her for food. However this was, after the husband stayed away for some time, he returned, but his wife was gone, and she was never seen after. So great is the dread the natives have of one of these creatures, that on discovering one, they throw themselves flat on their faces, muttering some gibberish, or flee away from the borders of the lake or fiver, as if pursued by a wild beast.

When alone, I several times attempted to spear a Bunyip; but, had the natives seen me do so, it would have caused great displeasure. And again, if I had succeeded in killing, or even wounding one, my own life would probably have paid the forfeit — they consider the animal, as I have already said, something supernatural.

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[i:9883593a74]A drawing of a separate (but not unrelated) skull from Tasmania, 1847.[/i:9883593a74]

Geelong Advertiser, 28 June 1845.

FOSSIL REMAINS. — We have been favoured by Mr Menzies, with the inspection of a petrified bone, found on the shores of Lake Timboon, to the westward of Lake Colac. The bone is apparently the head of the tibia, or lower joint of the knee; the articulating surface is as distinct and complete as if the bone had never undergone the petrifying process; the fracture where the shank of the bone has been broken, is also very little changed in appearance, and displays the double channels of medullary matter which are particular to the tibia. The dimensions of this fragment of bone, are of the most colossal nature, measuring as it does 10 inches across the knee join, (in diameter, not in circumference). The thickness from front to back, however, is not in proportion to the width, and has not the roundness of the same bone in ordinary animals. We are not sufficiently versed in geological or anatomical science to offer any opinion as to the description of the animal of which the bone at one time formed a part; and, having no works on comparative anatomy to refer to, we cannot say whether any living animal possesses bones of the same dimensions. The Blacks have some tradition of a large animal inhabiting the district, but really no dependence can be placed upon this testimony. The bone will be taken to Melbourne, and submitted to the Mechanics’ Institution, who will no doubt give a more decided opinion as to its history.

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[i:9883593a74]A representation of a kind of dinosaur of the hadrosaurid class.[/i:9883593a74]

Geelong Advertiser, July 2 1845.

WONDERFUL DISCOVERY OF A NEW ANIMAL — In our last number we gave an account of the finding of a fragment of the knee joint of some gigantic animal, which, from there being no such animal hitherto known to exist in Australia, we supposed to be the fossil remains of some early period. Subsequent information, however, coupled with the fact that the bone was in good preparation, and had altogether a “recent” appearance, has induced us to alter our opinion.

On the bone being shown to an intelligent black, he at once recognised it as belonging to the “Bunyip” which he declared he had seen. On being requested to make a drawing of it, he did so without hesitation. The bone an the picture where then shown separately to different blacks, who had no opportunity of communicating with each other; and they one and all recognised the bone and picture as belonging to the “Bunyip,” repeating the name without variation. One declared he knew where the whole of the bones of one animal were to be found; another stated his mother was killed by one of them, at the Barwon Lakes, within a few miles of Geelong, and that another woman was killed on the very spot where the punt crosses the Barwon at South Geelong. The most direct evidence of all was that of Mumbowran, who showed several deep wounds on his breast made by the claws of the animal. Another statements was made, that a mare, the property of Mr Furlong, was, about six years ago, seized by one of these animals on the bank of the Little River, and only escaped with a broken leg. They say that the reason why no white man has ever yet seen it, is because it is amphibious, and does not come on land except on extremely hot days, when it basks on the bank; but on the slightest noise or whisper they roll gently over into the water, scarcely creating a ripple.

We have adduced these authorities, before giving a description of the animal, lest, from its strange, grotesque, and nondescript character, the reader should have at once set the whole down as fiction. The Bunyip, then, is represented, as uniting the characteristics of a bird and of an alligator. It has a head resembling an emu, with a long bill, at the extremity of which is a transverse projection on each side, with serrated edges like the bone of the stingray. Its body and legs partake the nature of the alligator. The hind legs are remarkably thick and strong, and the fore legs are much longer, but still of great strength. The extremities are furnished with long claws, but the blacks say its usual method of killing its prey is by hugging it to death. When in the water it swims like a frog, and when on shore it walks on its hind legs with its head erect, in which position it measures twelve or thirteen feet in height. Its breast is said to be covered with different coloured feathers; but the probability is that the blacks have not have had a sufficiently near view to ascertain whether this appearance might not arise from hair or scales. They describe it as laying eggs of double the size of the emu’s egg, of a pale blue colour; these eggs they frequently meet with, but as they are “no good for eating,” the black boys set them up for a mark, and throw stones at them.

We intend, in a few days to give a lithographic fac-simile of the drawing made by the Black, so that our bush readers may be enabled to question the blacks in their own neighbourhood, and should any new facts be elicited, we shall take it as a favour in any one who may transmit an account of them to us for publication.

[i:9883593a74]The above information shows that dinosaur-like creatures were living in the Geelong district up at least the 1830s.[/i:9883593a74]');
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[color=red:7ffa31d216]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:7ffa31d216]

WELCOME! [i:7ffa31d216]The Protector[/i:7ffa31d216] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

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NATIONAL VIEW OF TRUE BELIEVERS

The Protestant Christian religion was placed at the foundation of the Australasian colonies. It seems that Protestantism has largely failed, and this is due to doctrinal failings of various sects and denominations, as well as in the civil or political realm advocating “toleration”, “multiculturalism” and “human rights” (=easy citizenship).

The weakened religious and social consciousness has not been able to resist, but rather has allowed the rise of the activities which take on the basis of the false “natural rights of man”, including all kinds of self- and socially-destructive behaviours. The role of law in the commonwealth is to preserve itself from self-destruction. To be entirely blunt, too much attention is being paid to sex, drink, drugs, debt and self-promotion (pride), all to the great and tragic expense of the well being of the nation, and to the lack of resisting enemies that now operate freely among us. We need to wake up!

There is much good in Australia’s history, but that it has been surrendered far too easily, or at the slightest threat of offending some third rate party. Australia effectively colonised Papua New Guinea, but then handed them over to “self rule”. For a long time, sound and strong governance was to be found, but it has been by the rise of the Left in common culture that has brought us to this state of weakness. Yet, underneath, there are very many who do not really agree with the Leftist message, and though some are not hearing anything else, they yearn for and in many areas really believe something different.

We cannot sit back and expect things to remain alright, but we have to rise up to the fight, and take back our nation from the Leftist propagandists, and to be prepared to stand against the enemy religions, and guard against enemy nations, especially the faction which is led by Russia, which has Iran and others in its steps. This means that we must arise in strength, and shake off the petty chains of the Left (they have deceived many that we are small and weak), and be the mighty nation which providence has ordained us to be, that in the southern seas there ought to be various islands joined together in one great and common cause and purpose.

Prosperity and national glory are the result of action. The first action must be by having the right beliefs. The second and following is by having a proper national view which is put into practise, to be a true citizen, enfranchised and member of a body and cause greater than one’s own life. We note the greatness of the British Empire: why cannot there be a resurrection of this, but in a new form in the southern seas, where Australia rides as a mistress with the banner of the southern cross?

Moses said about the Israelites, “... I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.” (Deuteronomy 32:21).

Isaiah wrote, “I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.” (Isaiah 65:1).

Therefore, Australia and surrounding Oceania has become the haven for God’s people, and that there are many people here at present who need to repent. Though they many are not God’s people, they must become God’s people because they repent. This is prophesied in Psalms, “All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD” (Psalm 22:27), and in Isaiah, “Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth” (Isaiah 52:10).

DRAGON STUDIES

[color=green:7ffa31d216]Dinosaurs were living as late as the 1830s around the Geelong area.[/color:7ffa31d216]
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Bible notes on Dragons.
http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=281

Audio sermon online: The use of the word ‘dragon’ in the King James Bible, preached by Matthew Verschuur on the 18th of December, 2007 at Victory Faith Centre. This sermon details the existence and nature of dragons.
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1269', 'bfe55f0ba8', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'Those who have come against God\'s Word are in a precarious position. Specifically, those who are determined to battle against the King James Bible are in opposition to the will of God.

&quot;If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.&quot; (Deuteronomy 32:41). Today, this is &quot;the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God&quot; (Ephesians 6:17b). &quot;For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.&quot; (Ephesians 4:12).

The Lord Jesus Christ has made His judgment clear. &quot;And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations&quot; (Revelation 19:15a).

&quot;For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.&quot; (Revelation 22:18,19).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1270', '19c55c103a', 'KJB margins', 'The King James Bible translators said, “Now in such a case doth not a margin do well to admonish the Reader to seek further, and not to conclude or dogmatize upon this or that peremptorily?”

Having now sought further (and millions have done so for hundreds of years) are we yet still unqualified to come to any conclusion whether or not the translators got it right? The translators were admonishing us to check their judgment, for the very reason that me might conclude and dogmatize.

If the translators meant that no one will ever know the right readings, or the right rendering, why make such a distinction in the very presentation between text and margins (which clearly gives precedence to one rendering, not the other)? It is also obvious that thousands upon thousands have quoted Scripture with no reference to the margins whatsoever. It is actually very hard to find historical references to citations of the margins.

This is because millions understood the translators’ intent (at least tacitly), and while some have wrongly cherished the margins as alternatives, it has been only relatively recently that there has been a real effort to attempt to distort the translators’ intentions by the modernist claim that things are still uncertain, and that no Bible is perfect.

The word “alternative” is not found in the Translators’ Preface, because their view and intention was not to provide an “either-or” presentation, as though each marginal rendering was an equal choice to the main text. This is simply because they knew that God inspired one Scripture, so they saw it was important to give the Scripture, not merely possibilities as to what might be Scripture.

The margins contain various notes, some of which touch on critical issues, some of which show other interpretations, and some which give explanations. As is known today: nothing in the margin is Scripture; it is not to be treated as Scripture; nor are they any more possibly Scripture.

A person might have said, “There are three reasons supporting this rendering at this verse, yet it has been placed in the margin.” It might be said that that three good reasons would give a great probability for a rendering. But then, if the translators found ten or thirteen reasons for the way they rendered it in the main text, surely this would be a greater probability. In short, it is never a fifty-fifty (50%/50%) situation, so that the text is just as possible as the margin. In the end, one is better than the other, and ultimately, there can be only one right rendering. (Just as God originally gave one word in its right place by inspiration.)

The King James Bible translators worked on the judging between various renderings. They tendered what they thought should stand. They asked the reader to investigate also, because they wanted every single word to be accepted or received from them (as wise learned men), and for people to know that the words were not wrong. (Of course, people could investigate from the perspective that their might be something wrong, but they would have to do so honestly, and begin from the assumption that this was indeed the Word of God.) From the very beginning there was a general acceptance, and more so in time. At no time were the margins supposed to be “equal alternatives” or “still possible”. They were given because they were legitimate choices at the time of translation being made, but they were choices which the 1611 men rejected. Thus, the modernist view to accept both the margin and text as concurrently correct is worse than those who have historically thought that the margins were better than the main text in various places. If the margins were right, then from an early time there would have been a witness of this, but the general acceptance of the main text and rejection of the marginal by millions for centuries, either tacitly or deliberately, is witness enough that the text must stand, and that the margins really are the chaff. We are yet invited to come to that view today, because the margins are yet present for investigation: but now, having specific analysis of the whole general nature of the case, I trust that people can take hold of that without having to look at every last marginal rendering, peradventure just one might be right, and the main text wrong, at some obscure location in the holy book.

Another example might be that the translators were discussing how to translate and render a particular word into English. They had commentaries, former translations, etc. What was required was their general and collective consensus. This type of communal judgment would be the best and safest way for bringing the truth into the main text, and banishing other things to the margins. One translator in minority may have been passionate about a certain rendering, citing a Church Father or some other authorities. But when all things were weighed, various opinions collated, etc., the final judgment, both by majority, and also by episcopy — the arrangement being the melding of two forms of decision making, one being the majority agreement of all translators, the second being the decisive judgment of leaders where consensus could not be reached — whatever would be deemed to be most correct would stand as the text, and the other rendering the margin. Thus, the main text first commended the status of certain words, but at the last showed that these certain words were immortalised. They certainly had a sense of this when they made their work, but it fell to later generations to uphold the product judgment of the translators, that is to say, to uphold the words of truth, so that it was clearer only more recently just how high and important and worthy the English Bible was, and to what exclusive status it actually should be held. This was not by humanly contrived force, but by Providence.

We know full well that the translators had to decide between various readings. We also know they supplied various renderings which they rejected in the margin. And we know that they did this so that we could check their work. Most importantly, they told us this so that we could indeed be certain as to the words of God, for they elsewhere said, “to make a good one better, or out of many good ones one principal good one, not justly to be excepted against”, being “one more exact Translation of the holy Scriptures into the English Tongue”.

The translators said, “variety of translations” were “profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures”. Now, the translators consulted the variety for us, that we might have the benefit of the sense in one settled form, that is, by a final translation which is the ultimate standard.

We are not still in a mode of wondering whether or not the margins are valid (or equal). We are not still having to look at a handful of commentaries, translations and numerous other endeavours to find out what is right. (We are certainly not holding all things as alternate, as though one word of God at the same place is equally another.) We have advanced to “seek further” where we are now “finding out of the sense of the Scriptures” (surely, true believers have been doing so for years on end). And we all the more by receiving the King James Bible as having passed through all these years of testing, and use by millions of people, and so many pages of information on the public record.

The margins are not important as far as knowledge of the Scripture, they are important only for the honest inspection of what the translators thought was not as probable to be the rendering of Scripture, i.e. not Scripture.

The margins are showing what could have been, not what is.

Unless we can know what things of the variety and diversity they rejected, we would be disadvantaged, and forced to accept their work without any reasoning or inquiry. But they wanted people to know, because they wanted everyone to accept their work as exact, correct and right. They were not labouring for something which was only 99% accurate, but “to make God\'s holy Truth to be yet more and more known unto the people”.

Those who yet view the margins as either a possibility, or as an equality, have not at all entered into the spirit of the translators, nor have they at all understood the doctrine of the Scripture itself, which is that it singularly is the truth. “O receive not so great things in vain: O despise not so great salvation. Be not like swine to tread under foot so precious things, neither yet like dogs to tear and abuse holy things.”

We are commanded by God to study Scripture, and since the margins are not Scripture (as has been shown by millions of people\'s use for hundreds of years) then we are all the more enjoined to the main text to believe it as it stands, and to take what it says as being the truth in English.

I do not wish to put a stumblingblock into those who might inquire into the margins whether or not they are right, but unless their nature is understood rightly (e.g. they give other senses of words in English), and the study is undertaken from a believing perspective (i.e. not to tear down and rend the King James Bible), then I shall leave people to it: but that they should consider the providence that I have highlighted, that so much verdict has now been made evident in this matter, that should I not mention another word about it here, the margins have been thoroughly disproven to have any validity or relevance as Scripture, or even as insight on interpretation itself.

Thus, we have the Scripture, with the stubble laid by.');
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KING JAMES BIBLE MARGINS ARE NOT SCRIPTURE

In the King James Bible margins, at Luke 17:36, it states, “This 36th verse is wanting in most of the Greek copies.”

The reading: “Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.” (Luke 17:36), or a similar translation, can only be found in the Great Bible and the Bishops’ Bible, but not the versions of Tyndale, Coverdale, Matthew or Geneva.

These readings are, of course, present in some Greek copies, and certainly in the Latin copies.

Some people say that the margins are equal to, alternative to, or just as important as the Scripture.

Yet, clearly the margin is not Scripture. This is just a note to let us know of the situation. Does it cause us to doubt the Scripture? No. Is it giving us a viable alternative, or letting us know that it is permissible to delete the verse? No.

The margins are designed for investigation of the truth of Scripture in regards to the variations of wordings in the original language copies, and variations of meanings in the English. They are to be found, upon examination, always correct in the King James Bible as it reads, and always otherwise in the margins.

Now, it is obvious that the KJB translators looked at the Greek, and at the Latin, and at various translations, commentaries, etc. And they saw that the Greek copies did not, in most of them, have the 36th verse. But even their very wording implies that the Greek ones without this verse were wrong, because they use the term &quot;wanting&quot;, meaning, needed, lacking, required.

In other words, many Greek copies were getting it wrong here.

Just because many copies might not have some words does not mean that the majority (and how do we define majority?) is right. Of course, in most cases, the quantity would be a decisive factor. But what is also important is quality. If we find arguments in favour which are very strong to overwhelming, such as from ancient witnesses, a variety of witnesses, etc., this will oblige us to retain the words rather than cast them out. After all, some Greek copies obviously have these words.

“Search the scriptures” (John 5:39a) does not mean, search or rely upon the margins.

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OLD LATIN IS AGAINST MODERN VERSIONS

John 5:3b, 4 is found in old Irish Latin copies of the Bible. The King James Bible contains these words, but they are missing in various modern versions.
http://itsee.bham.ac.uk/iohannes/vetuslatina/index.html

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The internal consistency of the King James Bible is one of the marks of its divine origin. When we consider the works of God, it is indeed wondrous. Too many fail to give God the glory for what He has done. &quot;That I may publish with the voice of thanksgiving, and tell of all thy wondrous works.&quot; (Psalm 26:7). Let the publishing be done with thanksgiving to God!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1273', 'b675cbd979', 'What is faith?', 'Faith is a fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22), so born-again believers have it in their hearts, and it is developed and strengthened by hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). It is then put to use. Our faith needs to be used: “But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?” (James 2:20). Faith is seen in people’s actions which represent what they believe in their hearts. Faith-based decisions produce good fruit.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1274', '81bd6ced9e', 'The basis of the KJBO argument', 'I was thinking about what was really at the basis of the KJBO debate. I believe it is about the authority of Scripture itself.

If reduced to essentials, I think ultimately that the anti side is arguing that God does not provide a final standard of Scripture today, on the basis of the fallibility of man (emphasising that the autographs have been lost), while I think that ultimately the pro side is arguing that God would provide a final standard today, as consistent with His having given an inspired exemplar in the first place (emphasising the ability of God).

Kevin Bauder, the co-author of a “scholarly” anti-King James Bible only book called “One Bible Only”, on page 21, states, “This book will dispute the King James-Only teaching by insisting that we can know what God said, even if we do not have every single word with which He said it. The authors of this book will address the very heart of the controversy. Can we hold up an imperfect manuscript copy, and imperfectly edited text, or an imperfectly translated version, and rightly say, ‘This is the Word of God’? The authors of this book, in harmony with the vast majority of Bible believers throughout history, will insist that we can. Humanity can know what God has revealed; we can know His works and His ways; we can know how He sees us and what He has done for us; we can know what He demands of us. Most of all, we can know Him, for the Bible is His Word, even when it contains some imperfectly copied or translated words.

“‘Not so!’ insist the King James-Only advocates. If humans have lost any of the words, then they have lost the Word. It is not enough that the meaning has been preserved; if we do not have all of the exact words, then we do not have the Word. Without every one of the actual words of God, all we are left with is human guesses about what God might have meant to say.”

I will now comment on what he wrote:

[quote:81bd6ced9e]insisting that we can know what God said, even if we do not have every single word with which He said it[/quote:81bd6ced9e]

The problem of this thesis is that knowledge is communicated by words, and as each word has a separate and individual meaning, and that the very order and use of words influences meaning, perhaps by subtle shades, once it is granted that it is impossible to have every single word, it really is an anti-Word position.

This is because the Word position is to start from the Word itself, and to see what it says of itself, and to see that God has fulfilled the obligations which He has stated about Himself.

If the anti-KJBO claims that he cannot be certain as to what exactly the words are to begin with, and therefore has no perfect set of words to investigate where such a promise is contained and implied, then we must point to the time when God certainly had the true words, namely, when they were first inspired.

If God in inspiration said that His Word would be present to every last jot and tittle, then we may believe today in what we see of the Word, that we must find it in one form correct to every last jot and tittle. We start from the assumption (that is, faith) about what we do not see with our eyes (autographs) but believing their content, as is understood by seeing what we have received by a believing view of the Word throughout Church history, which means that the King James Bible today would be our starting point, since it is this version which is connected, and very strongly, to this tradition and idea.

Thus, the starting point from the anti-view is not Scripture, but human reason. They are starting from an extra-Biblical philosophy that man and chance factors effect God’s originally inspired word, and what we look at today to begin our investigation (whatever Scriptures) are already viewed with these “glasses”.

Our “glasses” by which we view what we see must start from the Bible today, and therefore be to authenticate itself, which is accused by others as being “circular reasoning” (or worse, “blind faith”).

However, their view has already the built in assumption, namely, that what is seen with the natural eyes must be the result of errors, and the work of God is therefore limited to human experience (I cannot see God preserving exactly, but only generally, therefore God does provide us with His Word generally, not word-exact).

[quote:81bd6ced9e]Can we hold up an imperfect manuscript copy, and imperfectly edited text, or an imperfectly translated version, and rightly say, ‘This is the Word of God’?[/quote:81bd6ced9e]

We really cannot do so today, however, plenty of good and true Christians have. Any Christian living in, say the reign of Queen Elizabeth the First, could have held up something like this and believed it to be true, nevertheless, they were aware that there were imperfections in the setting forth of those things.

We cannot allow that the situation of those former years has continued on without change. Especially since they viewed a gathering and a purification in their day, of which we see the final result.

The modern view claims to be striving to get things better, but in effect, it knows it is making only more variety, raising more questions, and ultimately stating that there cannot (emphatically) be an exact word for word knowledge of the Scripture, and that translations are never infallible.

[quote:81bd6ced9e]The authors of this book, in harmony with the vast majority of Bible believers throughout history, will insist that we can.[/quote:81bd6ced9e]

The Scripture itself indicates that there was a scattering, as well as gathering, and that there would be a process of purification. If a modern versions places himself in the category of scattering, or somewhere in the gathering, they have not yet arrived at the conclusion. The point is that they have as their central tenant that they cannot (and are basically prohibited by God) to arrive at the end of the gathering. This is why all their “refining” is haywire.

It is clear that believers in the Reformation were looking toward a gathering and completion, and that the King James Bible users have generally accepted that this has come to pass. In fact, the King James Bible movement exists because people recognised this to be so.

The problem then is that the modernist is rejecting the King James Bible from being the end and finality, because of their naturalistic and relativist approach or assumptions. When they look at the King James Bible, they “see” “errors”. They are denying the fundamental premise that truth would be self-authenticating, because they approach the King James Bible from outside of Scripture, or as people externally looking upon it rather than on the basis of its own intrinsic authority which God has providentially revealed.

[quote:81bd6ced9e]Humanity can know what God has revealed; we can know His works and His ways; we can know how He sees us and what He has done for us; we can know what He demands of us. Most of all, we can know Him, for the Bible is His Word, even when it contains some imperfectly copied or translated words.[/quote:81bd6ced9e]

The very plain problem is that a man with such a view cannot point to one set of words (and each word has its own meaning) as being exactly, certainly, completely the very words of God. Whereas the King James Bible only believer can point to the King James Bible as the very Word of God, and show that God has chosen the English language to present His final standard. (The fact that the final standard is a translation rather than a critical work in the original languages is another step which confounds those who do not believe that God has promised and revealed one exact form of His Word today.)

[quote:81bd6ced9e]‘Not so!’ insist the King James-Only advocates. If humans have lost any of the words, then they have lost the Word.[/quote:81bd6ced9e]

It follows that the God who have the Word must also keep it preserved, even if it were scattered, He should be able to gather.

[quote:81bd6ced9e]It is not enough that the meaning has been preserved; if we do not have all of the exact words, then we do not have the Word.[/quote:81bd6ced9e]

God has been able to work with sufficient forms of Scripture, but His will is (and it is consistent with His nature) to have a standard Bible. Certainly various Bibles can be called the Word of God, but the actual Word of God in an exact form must be in only one Version. There is no necessity that this perfect version existed all the time, as long as God’s words were not lost in history, but God has proven Himself strong by gathering and forming by His providence one fully correct form of His words, which is the King James Bible.

[quote:81bd6ced9e]Without every one of the actual words of God, all we are left with is human guesses about what God might have meant to say.[/quote:81bd6ced9e]

Although people may have a fair idea of God’s Word without having a perfect copy or form, ultimately, the power to back up the truth of Scripture is to be able to have one Bible.

This confounds the atheist all the way to the religious scoffer, for though they will find every reason to reject it, the signs are all there that the King James Bible is God’s providentially appointed Bible for the last days.

It seems incredulous to the modern versionist that Anglicans from 17th century England who had less manuscript evidence than today were able to get God’s word 100% correctly gathered and translated in one version. But this is a divinely appointed test. God requires people to believe His Word, regardless of how “alien” it might seem to the natural mind.

The whole issue to them is like this: “From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it. For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.” (Isaiah 28:19–21).');
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The role of the Biblical preacher has not altered in New Testament times. It is still to present the words of the Lord for the people. The congregation of the Lord today is the Church and this is where the words of the Lord are preached. From this, the word increases to reach out to the world as the people of God preach the Word of God. &quot;And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith.&quot; (Acts 6:7).');
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THE PEOPLE OF GOD AND THEIR FUTURE

God has not neglected His people, nor is the Church to come to an end. The Scripture says, “The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it. Kings of armies did flee apace: and she that tarried at home divided the spoil.” (Psalm 68:11, 12).

Although there is a future tribulation coming on the world at some unknown future time to these events, the Church must be successful in its mission.

“But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith” (Romans 16:26).

Now, let us consider the present moment, which is a time of spiritual famine. “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” (Revelation 14:12). The famine is of hearing the Word of God, and because people are seeking for it elsewhere (see Amos 8:11, 12). But the Word itself is not absent, and there are people which God has which are keeping His Word, and who are the faithful remnant at this time.

All around the Protestants have compromised, and so many ministries have failed, and so many people are floundering about. “And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.” (Revelation 14:13). Surely the antichrist workings have been successful in bringing about this level of demise, yet antichrist workings suffer themselves.

It may not seem as if the Gospel is advancing. It may seem to be isolated, in full retreat, hidden now in caves and earthen vessels. Yet, another grand event is shown in prophecy, “And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.” (Revelation 14:14). This is the end time Church prepared for the latter days glory. This is the movement of the saints which must come into the full counsel of God.

“And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.” (Revelation 14:16). The people of God must become a sharp threshing instrument, which means all faults and problems must be cast out of the Church, while the gathering of the Church is completed.
 
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1277', 'a9b9049c33', 'What makes the Cambridge better than the Oxford Edn?', 'Someone might ask why the Pure Cambridge Edition is better than an Oxford Edition of the King James Bible. Why say that the Oxford Edition is impure or incorrect when compared to the Cambridge? After all, there are various godly men from history who have used the Oxford Edition. In fact, there are plenty of Christians who have used the Oxford Edition after the Pure Cambridge Edition has been in existence. In fact, plenty of good revivals and religious books came about before the Pure Cambridge Edition ever existed. So why specifically uphold the Cambridge when God has clearly honoured the Oxford?

In order to answer this, it can be shown that God has honoured the use of the King James Bible. Since the Oxford and the Cambridge Editions are presenting the same Bible version, there is no doubt that God’s blessing was where any such proper edition was being used.

The differences between the Cambridge and the Oxford are important today in regards to what is exactly God’s chosen presentation of the Scripture in English. When it comes to this level, not only does the Oxford have some small grammatical issues, but there are problems like the mistake at Jeremiah 34:16, which should read “ye” not “he”, or at Joshua 19:2, which should read “or” not “and”.

The problem is that one rendering is incorrect. It is not the King James Bible that is wrong, but one of the editions is getting it wrong in its presentation. In these examples, we have a whole list of evidence which clearly backs up the Cambridge renderings, including appeals to things such as context, the 1611 translators and even the Hebrew.

1. Lots of godly people have used the Oxford Edition. Any normal edition of the KJB is still a KJB, no matter what year (e.g. 1611, etc.), or the publisher (e.g. a London Edition from Eyre and Strahan, etc.)

2. No edition from 1611 to 1769 matches the PCE. That does not make the editions of those years anything less: God has used any and all normal KJBs.

3. The Cambridge Edition does have a better historical attestation than the Oxford, but this does not mean that the Oxford could not have been used. In reality, if historical usage was divided between Bibles from both companies, it makes no difference as far as the actual position of the KJB itself (we all know that any group of KJB users at any time in the last 200 years could all be using a different edition!)

4. What might be called the “Oxford Edition” actually might mean a Cambridge Edition of the 1800s which is fairly close to the Oxford Edition at that time. The fact is that since 1769 the Oxford Edition has changed slightly over the years, so there is no definitive “Oxford Edition”. The Scofield Oxford differs to other Oxfords from the same time frame (e.g. 1917).

5. Lots of good, godly men have used other KJB editions besides the PCE since World War Two, however, if there has been any testimony for a superior edition in that time, people have generally favoured the Cambridge. This testimony can be found from people with quite different views on the KJB.

6. The Oxford Edition of 1769 and the following printings from Oxford were superior to the Cambridge ones in that timeframe. However, Cambridge printed Bibles were superior to Oxford ones from 1629 to 1769 (though Oxford only started printing KJBs in about 1675). From 1835, when Cambridge adopted the Oxford standard, Cambridge instantly improved upon it, by superior spelling, etc. Moreover, when the PCE was made, it was indeed superior, though not specifically recognised. But the fact remains that something of the Cambridge must have been recognised, because there are several quotes from the 1980s in which KJBO people talk about how the Cambridge is better or preferred to the Oxford. (Some like Scofield’s notes, but still believe that the Cambridge text is better.)

7. The Oxford Edition of the twentieth century is not “impure”, in that the KJB is not impure. However, the Oxford Edition is impure if compared to the Cambridge, especially when the application of Psalm 12 is understood. Likewise the Oxford Edition is not “corrupt”, in that the KJB is not corrupt. However, when examining the presentation, obvious problems in the Oxford like “he” in Jeremiah 34:16, must be due to some sort of mistake, without the Word of God or the KJB itself being corrupt. In reality, it is about having the best presentation of the Version (the KJB): the Oxford contains the same Version, but there are issues with its presentation.

God has honoured the KJB, not the Oxford Edition; whereas, God has specifically honoured the Cambridge Edition among editions.

The fact that some great people or good commentaries exist with the use of the Oxford Edition cannot be used as a valid argument, in that it is possible to point to great men and works which use the Cambridge. Such an argument confuses the King James Bible as an entity with the issue of variations in presentations. We believe the KJB is right, however, we see that some presentations are better than others.

It is easy enough to point to the fact that the translators themselves were involved with the Cambridge Edition, that the Cambridge was used by the Puritans, that millions of copies of Cambridge Bibles have been scattered throughout the world by Bible Societies, and that various modern day King James Bible only teachers prefer and use the Cambridge, so to make a case in favour of the Cambridge. However the edition issue does not merely rest on such issues: in reality, the variations themselves must be examined, and it is here where people have shown that the Cambridge is superior. I have not so much as heard of a person trying to defend an Oxford rendering as superior to the Cambridge, e.g. that “and Sheba” is really superior to our “or Sheba” at Joshua 19:2, etc. (Such things clearly show the correctness of the Cambridge.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1278', 'addf396c8d', 'What is faith?', 'Faith and patience work together. Patience is needed so we don’t lose faith in what we’re believing God for, and give up before we see the victory manifested. Patience undergirds our faith and helps us to hold on until we see the manifestation here in the physical realm. Patience is a strong force, which born-again believers are able to use, and to develop in their own hearts as they use it.
 “And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end: That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.” (Hebrews 6:11, 12). 
“Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” (Hebrews 10:35, 36).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1279', '09ddb07e09', 'Smith Wigglesworth', 'Smith Wigglesworth was born in Yorkshire in 1859, “My grandmother was an old-time Wesleyan Methodist and would take me to the meetings she attended. When I was eight years of age there was a revival meeting held in her church. I can remember one Sunday morning at seven o’clock when all those simple folks were dancing around a big stove in the centre of the church, clapping their hands and singing:

“Oh, the Lamb, the bleeding Lamb,
The Lamb of Calvary,
The Lamb that was slain,
That liveth again
To intercede for me.

“As I clapped my hands and sang with them, a clear knowledge of the New Birth came into my soul. I looked to the Lamb of Calvary. I believed that He loved me and had died for me. Life came in—eternal life—and I knew that I had received a new life which had come from God. I was born again.”

“I delighted in going to meetings, especially those in which everyone was giving a testimony. I would arise to give mine, but would have no language to convey what I felt in the depths of my soul. Invariably I would burst out crying. One memorable day three old men, whom I knew very intimately, came across to where I was weeping, unable to speak. They laid their hands on me. The Spirit of the Lord came upon me and I was instantly set free from my bondage. I not only believed, but I could also speak. From the time of my conversion I became a soul-winner, and the first person I won for Christ was my own dear mother.”

“Father wanted all of us to go to the Episcopal church. He had no desire to go himself, but he liked the parson, because they met at the same ‘pub’ and drank beer together. My brother and I were in the choir in this church, and although I could not read I soon learned the tunes of the hymns and chants. When most of the boys in the choir were twelve years of age they had to be confirmed by the bishop. I was not twelve, but between nine and ten, when the bishop laid his hands on me, I can remember that as he imposed his hands I had a similar experience to the one I had forty years later when I was baptised in the Holy Spirit. My whole body was filled with the consciousness of God’s presence, a consciousness that remained with me for days. After the confirmation service all the other boys were swearing and quarrelling, and I wondered what had made the difference between them and me.”

“When I was thirteen, we moved to Bradford. There I went to the Wesleyan Methodist church and began to enter into a deeper spiritual life. I was very keen for God. This church was having some special missionary meetings and they chose seven boys to speak. I was one of the seven chosen, and I
had three weeks in which to get ready for a fifteen-minute talk. For three weeks I lived in prayer. I remember that as I began there were such loud ‘Amens’ and shoutings. I do not recollect what I said, but I know I was possessed with a mighty zeal, a burning desire to get people to know my Saviour.”

“I always carried a Testament with me even though I was not able to read much. When I was sixteen years of age the Salvation Army opened up a work in Bradford. I delighted to be with these earnest Salvation Army people. It was laid very deeply upon me to fast and pray for the salvation of souls in those days, and every week we saw scores of sinners yielding their hearts to Christ.”

“In the mill where I worked there was a godly man belonging to the Plymouth Brethren. He was a steam-fitter. I was given to him as a helper and he taught me how to do plumbing work. He talked to me about water baptism and its meaning. I can remember that he said to me: ‘If you will obey the Lord in this, you do not know what He may have for you.’ I gladly obeyed the Word of the Lord to be buried with Him in baptism unto death and come forth from that symbolic watery grave to a newness of life in God. I was about seventeen at that time. It was this good man who taught me about the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus.”

“I continued with the Salvation Army because it seemed to me they had more power in their ministry than anybody else at that time. We used to have all nights of prayer. Many would be laid out under the power of the Spirit, sometimes for as long as twenty-four hours at a time. We called that the Baptism in the Spirit in those days. Those early Salvationists had great power and it was manifested in their testimony and in their lives. We would join together and claim in faith fifty or a hundred souls every week and know that we would get them. Alas, today many are not laying themselves out for soul-winning but for fleshly manifestations.”

“Now, that is one class of prophecy. General Booth knew it. He got the vision as clear as anything from Wesley. The greatest revival that has ever swept the earth yet that we remember is the revival the Salvation Army brought. I know they have lost the glory, the power, and the unction because they turned to philanthropic positions. But that does not mean that we have to lose it. God revealed Himself unto Booth, every person was saved that would testify, and He moved the people that were saved, drunkards and harlots, into the streets to prophesy in the Spirit of Jesus.”

“Therefore, if we wish to be open air speakers or inside preachers, and wish always to have that divine touch of prophetic conditions, it will never come on any line except being filled with the Spirit. If you wish to be anything for God don’t miss the plan. God has no room for you on ordinary lines. You cannot afford to be on ordinary lines. You must realize right away that within you there is another power of the promise of the Spirit, which is forming everything you require.

“General Booth, with all his weaknesses and lots of things which he had which no one else wants; and Charles Wesley and John Wesley who came forth in a right time in a right order — God showed them on the line of what prophetical utterances would do in the new, saved conditions, and the formation of all Wesley’s plan which has come right up till now. I don’t say it is Wesley’s touch now because it has lost that which he gave to the Church. In John Wesley’s formation of Churches in his day, every member had to testify. The cottage meetings all over were turned into testimony meetings. And in every testimony meeting they were so on fire that every night people were saved.

“Perhaps you have no idea what our experience was in the early days of the Christian Mission which turned out to be the Salvation Army afterwards. I have never seen anything like it in my life, nor in Pentecost yet. The power of God rested upon the worst character and they were saved. Every class of people was saved. Drunkards were saved all along the line, and the next day they were put up for testimony and their testimony thrilled the place. There was no such thing as a building holding them in the days of the Christian Mission when it opened. It was always a market place, or a place where they put cattle, and they put great big wagons there. The people who were saved the night before were speaking, and the power of God so fell upon us that those helpless people were strengthened by the power of God, and by the witness of the salvation of Christ. According to Revelation the Spirit of Jesus, or the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy.

“I maintain that we are in a different order than that, and a better, but we lack. We have too many preachings and too little testifying. You will never make a live Pentecostal Church with a preacher every night preaching, preaching, preaching. They get tired and weary of him but they never get tired of the whole place being on fire, 20 being on fire at once and won’t sit down till they have said something. Therefore I can understand the exhortation ‘that ye may prophesy.’ And so remember, you must awake out of your lethargy. There is no room for a man that is settled in this business. If you come into a Pentecostal meeting and sit through it without weeping, crying, or shouting you have never touched it, you know nothing about it. Dearth will fall on any church if it becomes one man, or a half dozen men. The whole place must prophesy.”

“[After going into business for himself,] Wigglesworth had to go into Leeds one day each week to purchase plumbing supplies. In this town he found a place where there was a Divine Healing meeting. There was such a note of reality in these Divine Healing meetings and the Lord was so graciously healing people, that he began to hunt up sick people in Bradford and he would pay their fare to Leeds, where the prayer of faith was offered for them. At first he said nothing to Mrs. Wigglesworth about this; for he was not sure of her reaction to this ‘fanaticism,’ as most people dubbed Divine Healing in those days. But she found out what he was doing and since she herself had need of healing she accompanied him one day to Leeds. There the prayer of faith was offered for her and she was healed by the Lord. From that time forward she was as ardent for the truth of the Lord’s healing as he was.”

“The work in Bradford grew, and so they had to move to larger and yet larger premises, until they settled in quite a large building in Bowland Street. In this Bowland Street Mission they had a huge text painted as a scroll on the wall back of the pulpit that everyone could see, ‘I am the Lord that healeth thee.’ In the course of years many testified to being healed through the inspiration of that word of scripture.”

“[At Leeds] These leaders knew that I had a compassion for the sick and needy, and one day they said to me: ‘We want to go to the Keswick convention and we have been thinking whom we should leave to do the work. We can only think of you.’ I said, ‘I couldn’t conduct a healing service.’ They said, ‘We have no one else. We trust you to take care of the work while we are away.’”

“After this the Lord opened the door of faith for me more and more. I announced that I would have a Divine Healing meeting in Bradford on a certain evening.”

“I used to work with a man, who had been a Baptist minister for twenty years. He was one of the sweetest souls I ever met. He was getting to be an old man, and I used to walk by his side, and listen to his instruction. God made the Word in his hand as a two-edged sword to me, and I used to say, ‘Yes, Lord.’ If the sword ever comes to you, never straighten yourselves up against it, but let it pierce you. You must be yielded to the Word of God. The Word will work out love in our hearts, and when practical love is in our hearts there is no room to vaunt ourselves. We see ourselves as nothing when we get lost in this divine love. This man of God used to prune and prune me with the sword of God, and it is just as sweet to me today as it was then. I praise God for the sword that cuts us, and for a tender conscience. Oh, for that sweetness of fellowship with Jesus that when you hurt a brother by word or act you could never let it rest until you make it right. First, we need to be converted and to become as little children, and to have the hard heart taken away; to have a heart that is broken and melted with the Love of God.”

“When I was a young man I always loved the fellowship of old men, and was always careful to hear what they had to say. I had a friend, an old Baptist minister who was a wonderful preacher. I spent much of my time with him. One day he came to me and said, ‘My wife is dying.’ I said, ‘Brother Clark, why don’t you believe God? God can raise her up if you will only believe Him.’ He asked me to come to his house, and I looked for someone to go with me. ... Brother Nichols, for that was his name, went with me and started praying. He asked the Lord to comfort the husband in his great bereavement and prayed for the orphans and a lot more on this line. I cried, ‘Oh, my God, stop this man.’ But there was no stopping him and he went on praying and there was not a particle of faith in anything he uttered. He did stop at last, and I said, ‘Brother Clark, it’s now your turn to pray.’ He started, ‘Lord, answer the prayer of my brother and comfort me in this great bereavement and sorrow. Prepare me to face this great trial.’ I cried out, “My God, stop this man.’ The whole atmosphere was being charged with unbelief. I had a glass bottle full of oil and I went up to the woman and poured the whole lot on her in the name of Jesus.”

“I was a novice at this time and did not know any better, so I poured all the contents of that bottle of oil over Mrs Clark’s body in the name of Jesus! I was standing beside her at the top of the bed and looking towards the foot, when suddenly the Lord Jesus appeared. I had my eyes open gazing at Him. There He was at the foot of the bed. He gave me one of those gentle smiles. I see Him just now as I tell this story to you. I have never lost that vision, the vision of that beautiful soft smile. After a few moments He vanished but something happened that day that changed my whole life. Mrs Clark was raised up and filled with life, and lived to bring up a number of children; she outlived her husband many years.”

My wife and I always believed in scriptural holiness but I was conscious of much carnality in myself. A really holy man once came to preach for us and he spoke of what it meant to be entirely sanctified. He called it a very definite work of grace subsequent to the new birth. As I waited on the Lord for ten days in prayer, handing my body over to Him as a living sacrifice according to Romans 12:1, 2, God surely did something for me, for from that time I began to have real liberty in preaching. We counted that as the Baptism in the Spirit. And so, at our Mission on Bowland Street we stood for both Healing and Holiness.”

“I can remember the time when I used to go white with rage, and shake all over with temper. I could hardly hold myself together. I waited on God for ten days. In those ten days I was being emptied out and the life of the Lord Jesus was being wrought into me. My wife testified of the transformation that took place in my life, “I never saw such a change. I have never been able to cook anything since that time that has not pleased him. Nothing is too hot or too cold, everything is just right.” God must come and reign supreme in your life. Will you let Him do it? He can do it, and He will if you will let Him. It is no use trying to tame the ‘old man.’ But God can deal with him. The carnal mind will never be subjected to God, but God will bring it to the cross where it belongs, and will put in its place, the pure, the holy, the meek mind of the Master.”

“Such a bad temper I used to have, it made me tremble all over and it would make me furious with its evil power. A man came around preaching. I saw that this temper had to be destroyed, it could not be patched up. One day the power of God fell upon me. I came out to the meeting and fell down before the Lord. The people began asking, ‘What sin has Wigglesworth been committing?” This went on for a fortnight. Every time I came to the altar God used to sweep through me with such a manifestation of my helplessness, that I would go down before God and weep right through. Then the preacher or the leader was broken up and came alongside of me. God made a revival begin in that. God had broken me up and revival began through His revival in me. Oh, it was lovely! At last my wife said, ‘Since my husband had that touch, I have never been able to cook anything that he was not pleased with. It is never too cold and never too hot.’”

“We thought that we had got all that was coming to us on spiritual lines, but one day we heard that people were being baptised in the Spirit and were speaking in other tongues, and that the gifts of the Spirit were being manifested. I confess that I was much moved by this news.”

“Then he turned to me and remarked, ‘Have you heard the latest? They are receiving the Holy Spirit at Sunderland and speaking in other tongues. I have decided to go up to Sunderland to see this thing for myself. Would you like to come with me?’ I declared that I would be delighted to go.”

“It was a Saturday night when I went to the meeting, which was held in the vestry of the parish church at Monkwearmouth, Sunderland. What I could not understand was this: I had just come from Bradford, where the Spirit of God was working mightily. Many had been prostrated, slain by the power of God the night before I left for Sunderland. It seemed to me that there was not the power in this meeting that we had in our own assembly in Bradford. I was disappointed. But I was very hungry for God, and He knew my hunger even though nobody seemed to understand me. I can remember a man giving his testimony that after waiting on the Lord for three weeks, the Lord had baptised him in the Holy Spirit and caused him to speak in other tongues. I cried out, ‘Let’s hear these tongues. That’s what I came for. Let’s hear it!’ They answered, ‘When you are baptised you will speak in tongues.’ According to my own opinion I had been baptised in the Spirit. Thinking back to my ten days of waiting on God and the blessing I had received as a result, I had called that the Baptism in the Spirit. So I said to them, ‘I remember when I was baptised, my tongue was loosed. My testimony was different.’ But they answered, ‘No, that is not it.’”

“Pastor Boddy, who was vicar of the Episcopal Church where those first Pentecostal meetings were held, gave out a notice that there would be a waiting meeting all night on Tuesday. ... For four days I wanted nothing but God. But after that, I felt I should leave for my home, and I went to the Episcopal vicarage to say good-bye. I said to Mrs Boddy, the vicar’s wife: ‘I am going away, but I have not received the tongues yet.’ She answered, ‘It is not tongues you need, but the Baptism.’ ‘I have received the Baptism, Sister,’ I protested, ‘but I would like to have you lay hands on me before I leave.’ She laid her hands on me and then had to go out of the room. The fire fell. It was a wonderful time as I was there with God alone. He bathed me in power. I was conscious of the cleansing of the precious Blood, and I cried out: ‘Clean! Clean! Clean!’ I was filled with the joy of the consciousness of the cleansing. I was given a vision in which I saw the Lord Jesus Christ. I beheld the empty cross, and If saw Him exalted at the right hand of God the Father. I could speak no longer in English but I began to praise Him in other tongues as the Spirit of God gave me utterance. I knew then, although I might have received anointings previously, that now, at last, I had received the real Baptism in the Holy Spirit as they received on the day of Pentecost.”

“My wife said to me, ‘So you’ve been speaking with tongues, have you?’ I replied, ‘Yes.’ ‘Well,’ she said, ‘It want you to understand that I am as much baptised as you are and I don’t speak in tongues.’ I saw that the contest was beginning right at home. ‘I have been preaching for twenty years,’ she continued, ‘and you have sat beside me on the platform, but on Sunday you will preach yourself, and I’ll see what there is in it.’ She kept her word. On Sunday she took a seat at the back of the building. We had always sat together on the platform until that day. So the contest had begun tight in the church. There were three steps up to the platform and as I went up those three steps the Lord gave me the scripture in Isaiah 61:1–3, ‘The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me; because the Lord hath anointed Me to preach good tidings unto the meek; He hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound.’ I was no preacher, but hearing the voice of my Lord speaking those words to me, I began. I cannot now remember what I said but my wife was terribly disturbed. The bench on which she sat would seat nine people and she moved about on it until she had sat on every part of it. Then she said in a voice that all around her could hear, ‘That’s not my Smith, Lord, that’s not my Smith!’

“I was giving out the last hymn when the secretary of the mission stood up and said, ‘I want what our leader has received.’ The strange thing was that when he was about to sit down he missed his seat and went right down on the floor. Then my eldest son arose and said he wanted what his father had and he, too, took his seat right down on the floor. In a short while there were eleven people tight on the floor of that mission. The strangest thing was that they were all laughing in the Spirit and laughing at one another. The Lord had really turned again the captivity of Zion and the mouth of His children was being filled with laughter according to the word of the Lord in Psalm 126:1, 2. That was the beginning of a great outpouring of the Spirit where hundreds received the Baptism in the Holy Ghost and everyone of them spoke in tongues as the Spirit of God gave utterance.

“God knew that I should have to go all over the world and proclaim this glorious truth, that all could receive the Baptism in the Holy Ghost in exactly the same way as they received on the Day of Pentecost with the speaking in other tongues as the Spirit of God gives utterance.

“The first call that I received after I had been baptised in the Holy Spirit was from a man who had a factory in Lancashire, and who employed more than 1000 people. ... Up to that time I had had no preaching abilities, but then I felt that I had a prophetic utterance which was flowing like a river by the power of the Holy Spirit. So I went to Lancashire; and that manufacturer closed down his factory, and from 1.00 p.m. to 11.00 p.m., with short intervals, I was preaching. Surely Christ fulfilled His promise, ‘He that believeth on Me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.’ Quite a large number in that factory were gloriously saved. Soon after this my dear wife received the Baptism in the Spirit and then we went forth together in response to the many calls that came from different parts of the country. Wherever we went the Lord baptised people with the Holy Spirit. ... Many people from different parts of the country would come to our mission and on almost every occasion they would express the wish that I would visit their place and do something for them.”

Another important breakthrough happened where Wigglesworth came to pray for a young man called Matthew Snell. The villages told him, “‘We believe Matthew will be raised up.’ Wigglesworth had asked the family to air Matthew’s clothing for him to put on, but they didn’t do it because they did not believe he would be restored. For six weeks he had been in a serious condition, becoming weaker all the time. Mr Wigglesworth insisted on their airing Matthew’s clothing and they did it, not because they believed for healing, but to satisfy him. About 2.30 he went into the room where the young man lay and said, ‘Now I would like this to be for the glory of God. It shall never be said that
Wigglesworth raised you up.’ The young man answered, ‘For Thy glory, Lord; my life shall be for Thee.’ Then the servant of the Lord said, ‘Matthew, I believe the moment I lay hands on you the glory of God will fill this place so I shall not be able to stand.’ As he did this the glory of the Lord fell upon them until he fell on his face to the floor; it increased until everything in the room shook, the bed and Matthew who was on the bed, and with a strong voice the young man cried out, ‘For Thy glory, Lord!’ ‘For Thy glory!’ This continued for at least fifteen minutes, when it was apparent to them God would give him strength not only to rise but to dress in the glorious power which seemed like the description given of the temple being filled with the glory of God, and the young man was walking up and down, shouting and praising God and clapping his hands.”

“A friend once remarked: ‘All the people who say they live by faith seem to have their heels worn out, and their clothes are old and green.’ I believed that God would abundantly provide if I served him faithfully. I promised Him at that time that I would obey Him implicitly, but I laid down the condition that my shoe heels must never be a disgrace, and I must never have to wear trousers with the knees out. I said to the Lord, ‘If either of these things take place, I’ll go back to plumbing.’ He has never failed to supply all my needs. He increased my vision and faith and gave me calls all over England. I was a pioneer with the Pentecostal message to a great many Assemblies throughout Great Britain. Soon calls began to pour in from other countries also.”

“I was saved among the Methodists when I was about eight years of age. A little later I was confirmed by a bishop of the Church of England. Later I was immersed as a Baptist. I had the grounding in Bible teaching among the Plymouth Brethren. I marched under the Blood and Fire banner of the Salvation Army, learning to win souls in the open air. I received the second blessing of sanctification and a clean heart under the teaching of Reader Harris and the Pentecostal League. I claimed the gift of the Holy Spirit by faith as I waited ten days before the Lord. But in Sunderland, in 1907, I knelt before God and had an Acts 2:4 experience. The Holy Spirit came and I spoke with new tongues as did the company in the upper room. That put my experience outside the range of argument, but inside the record of God’s Holy Word. God gave me the Holy Spirit as He did to them at the beginning. I want harmony, unity and oneness, but I want them in God’s way. In. the Acts of the Apostles, speaking with new tongues was the sign of the infilling and outflowing of the Holy Spirit, and I do not believe that God has changed His method.”

“One day God said to me, ‘Come out.’ I had not been in long. I was in the Wesleyan Church. Was there anything wrong? No. Only God said, Come out. He had something further. The Salvation Army was in full swing. I was very anxious to get the best. Revival was at full, but they turned to other things. So God said, Come out. We need to have the hearing of faith, always soaring higher, understanding the leading of the Spirit. Oh, the breath of God. Then I went to the brethren, they had the Word, but so much of the letter with it, and splitting of hairs. God said, Come out. Oh, they said, he has gone again, there is no satisfying him. Then came the baptism of the Holy Ghost, with signs following according to Acts 2. God alone speaking. Faith bringing us to a place of revelation to cover us, God coming in and manifesting His power.”

“For many years the Lord has been moving me on and keeping me from spiritual stagnation. When I was in the Wesleyan Methodist Church I was sure I was saved and was sure I was all right. The Lord said to me, ‘Come out,’ and I came out. When I was with the people known as the Brethren I was sure I was all right now. But the Lord said, ‘Come out.’ Then I went into the Salvation Army. At that time it was full of life and there were revivals everywhere. But the Salvation Army went into natural things and the great revivals that they had in those early days ceased. The Lord said to me, ‘Come out,’ and I came out. I have had to come out three times since. I believe that this Pentecostal revival that we are now in is the best thing that the Lord has on the earth today, and yet I believe that God has something out of this that is going to be still better. God has no use for any man who is not hungering and thirsting for yet more of Himself and His righteousness.”

“For years and years God has been making me appear to hundreds and thousands of people as a fool. I remember the day when He saved me and when He called me out. If there is a thing God wants to do today, He wants to be as real to you and me as He was to Abraham. After I was saved I joined myself up to a very lively lot of people who were full of a revival spirit, and it was marvellous how God blest. And then there came a lukewarmness and indifference, and God said to me as clearly as anything,
‘Come out.’ I obeyed and came out. The people said, ‘We cannot understand you. We need you now and you are leaving us.’ The Plymouth brethren at that time were in a Conference. The Word of God was with them in power, the love of God was with them unveiled. Baptism by immersion was revealed to me, and when my friends saw me go into the water they said I was altogether wrong, But God had called me and I obeyed. The day came when I saw that the brethren had dropped down to
the letter, all letter, dry and barren. At that time the Salvation Army was filled with love, filled with power, filled with zeal; every place a revival, and I joined up with them. For about six years the glory of God was there, and then the Lord said again, ‘Come out,’ and I was glad I came. It dropped right into a social movement and God has no place for a social movement. We are saved by regeneration and the man who is going on with God has no time for social reforms. God moved on, and at that time there were many people who were receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost without signs. Those days were ‘days of heaven on earth.’ God unfolded the truth, showed the way of sanctification by the power of the blood of Christ, and I saw in that the great inflow of the life of God. I thank God for that, but God came along again and said, ‘Come out.’ I obeyed God and went with what they called the ‘tongues’ folks; they got the credit for having further light. I saw God advancing every movement I made, and I can see even in this Pentecostal work, except we see there is a real death, God will say to us, ‘Come out.’ Unless Pentecost wakes up to shake herself free from all worldly things and comes into a place of the divine-likeness with God, we will hear the voice of God, ‘Come out’ and He will have something far better than this. I ask every one of you, will you hear the voice of God and come out? You ask, ‘What do you mean?’ Everyone of you knows without exception, there is no word for Pentecost, only being on fire. If you are not on fire, you are not in the place of regeneration. It is only the fire of God that burns up the entanglements of the world.”

Smith Wigglesworth is the spiritual grandfather of the Word of Faith Movement of the twentieth century, and Kenneth Hagin, the spiritual father of the Word of Faith Movement, acknowledged wearing out his Wigglesworth book through excessive reading. When a Pentecostal Faith preacher talked about standing on and believing the Word of God, the implication was the King James Bible.');
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PROPHETIC VIEW OF THE COMING STRUGGLE OF THE NATIONS:
JOEL’S PROPHECY

We are told by the prophet Joel to “BLOW ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand” (Joel 2:1).

In this we must establish that the way to interpret Bible prophecy is to consider its spiritual meaning, “Zion” being the true Church, and its natural meaning, “the land” meaning the restored nation of Israel.

It was not until after 1948 when the state of Israel was established in its land that this prophecy could come to pass. It has not yet come, but we are warned of a coming troubles: “A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.” (Joel 2:2).

If we consider many generations, we would see that Bible prophecy points to a distant future day preceding the end of creation, after Christ has reigned a thousand years, when the rebels of the Earth under the name of “Gog and Magog” would come against the camp of the saints, see Revelation chapter twenty. That is the latter event, but this prophecy is pointing to a former one, one which is imminent in our own times. This former event has not yet occurred, just as the latter is way off distant future to our time.

How soon is the dreadful day which Joel speaks of? He shows that there is a coming military invasion of Israel (verse 3), with the purpose of financial gain (verse 9), and that there are to be strange physical signs in the Earth.

The prophet declares destruction upon the invaders, also giving a strong clue to their identity. “But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.” (Joel 2:20). We find that they are from the north. There is only one great power, from the mid-nineteenth century, which lay to the north of Israel, which has been often shown to fit here: the Russian-led Northern Confederacy.

What is described here is not the battle of Armageddon, it is not the coming of Christ; but it is a day of victory for the saints, and it is accomplished by the intervention of God Himself.

Some saw the Crimean War as a great deal, but it was but a small part. Some saw Soviet Russia as a great deal, but that also was but a small factor. We are yet to see the conflict which Russia will stir up with many countries that will be the fulfilment of this prophecy.

Finally, it is important to note that these events are related to spiritual ones with the Church, so that the expectation of believers is related: “And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.” (Joel 2:29, 30). If this already began to be fulfilled on the day of Pentecost, how much more outpouring should their be in relation to this coming struggle? How much more should their be at the result of the struggle, when the Russians are defeated?

When we read of blood, fire and smoke, we can relate these to both physical signs (natural and seeming supernatural) and spiritual signs (explicitly related to a movement of the Holy Ghost among believers). In the case of prophetical, we might also interpret symbolically, so that “earth” might mean “secularism”, and that fire, blood and smoke might relate to destructions, horrors and significant developments in international relations.
 
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1281', '6ddc1a06df', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'The Church cannot be properly unified in God if there are whole sections agreeing with the modernist doctrines underlying the polluted modern versions. God has an answer to this: &quot;For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and I will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.&quot; (1 Corinthians1:19). Wordly wisdom claiming the need for &quot;contemporary words&quot; has undermined godly wisdom and understanding.

I was talking recently with one Christian who claimed the following: &quot;I did a small amount of research today, on Romans six, where the term \'servant\' is used [eg. Romans 6:18]. Now, I believe that the KJV is the perfect word of God, and I would not even think to say that that was translated wrong. But what I would like to point out to you, is that the greek word for that is: (Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.).&quot; He then went on to point out that the word &quot;servant&quot; in the King James Bible could just as easily be translated &quot;slave&quot; (in agreement with modern versions). This is an example of how worldly wisdom has entered the churches.

My answer was simple because the words &quot;servant&quot; and &quot;slave&quot; have two very different meanings. I replied as follows.
&quot;Thank you for your response. 
Now, you said, \'Now, I believe that the KJV is the perfect word of God, and I would not even think to say that that was translated wrong.\' Then, you proceed to try to correct the KJB by implying that \'slave\' would be an acceptable substitute for \'servant\'. 
I disagree with your analysis for several reasons including: 
(1) The KJB translators got it right through God\'s providence, so \'servant\' is correct wherever it is seen in the KJB. 
(2) The KJB answers to the originals perfectly, which means that it expresses in English everything that was in the originals. I don\'t have to \'go to the Greek\' now since not EVERY possible meaning of a particular Greek word applies, only what has been translated. Of course, we don\'t have the originals today but the KJB is completely sufficient. 
(3) My final authority is not with the lexicons (which are tainted with modernist interpretations) but with the written, tangible Word of God, namely the King James Bible.
You should be consistent with your statement that I quoted from you because if you really did believe the KJB it be perfect, you would accept it by faith and not question any word in it as translated. It is pure and perfect and sufficient: \'Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.\' (Psalm 119:140).&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1282', 'b865001b74', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', 'Remember the saving health of God. He saves us from sickness and disease and the all troublesome things associated with them. His saving health stengthens us in our bodies and hearts.

&quot;GOD be merciful unto us, and bless us; [i:b865001b74]and [/i:b865001b74]cause his face to shine upon us; Selah. That thy way may be known upon earth, thy saving health among all nations.&quot; (Psalm 67:1, 2).');
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[size=18:9ef4b57c27][color=darkblue:9ef4b57c27]EDITORIAL[/color:9ef4b57c27][/size:9ef4b57c27]

CHRISTIANS AND NATIONAL POWER

Popular doctrines (like multiculturism or human rights) or conspiracy theories (like fake luna landing or zeitgeist propaganda) have in common a rejection of the idea of power (or even sovereignty) of Christianity in a nation. They are always designed against a Christianised national leadership structure, and are against Christians in three areas:

1. That Christians should rule (in power);
2. That Christians should be wealthy (with riches); and
3. That Christians should have favour (and have influence).

In short, they are against Christian success. Proper Christianity is, by its very nature, successful.

This is why there is often a great attack on any national leader or government who may in some way advance Christian values.

Yet Christians should not buy into such views.

“But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.” (2 Peter 2:10).

“Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.” (Jude verse 8).

“Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.” (1 Peter 2:17).

“For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.” (1 Timothy 2:2).

It should be clear to Christians that many documentaries, movements and doctrines are designed against the Biblical view of national life.
 
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1289', '051e32196c', 'Scrivener\'s Textus Receptus 1894', 'The following is a scanned plain text dump of the Introduction to Scrivener\'s 1894 representation of the New Testament in Greek. The following information is supplied to show that the Greek New Testament is not perfect as the King James Bible is in English, as shown briefly:

1. In order to see the difference of the Greek of the Revised Version, the presumed readings in Greek of the Authorized Version must be given. In other words, Scrivener’s TR was never designed with the intention of allowing a person to see how accurate a translation the KJB was from the Greek.

2. Beza’s text is assumed to be the basis or most likely used by the translators. This is not a conclusion, but a theory.

3. Greek TR editions were used, not Latin. Therefore Scrivener disregards the Latin witness, when it is giving proper testimony.

4. Scrivener’s Greek has a concocted punctuation structure, which does not match the KJB exactly, and even more ironically, he applies English grammar to the Greek.

5. Beza’s New Testament, the basis of Scrivener’s work, has undergone silent emendation, of supposed “errors of the press”, but Scrivener is guilty of using this as an excuse in his English Edition to actually change the KJB.

6. Various changes have been made in the Greek, in forms, in words, etc. Notice the reasons, such as “modern usage”, “recent accentuation” scheme, and Beza’s “inconsistent” forms. Scrivener completely messed this up in his English Edition, why should we trust him with the Greek?!

7. The KJB is an independent form of the TR, and indeed, the final form. The examination of TR editions is interesting on a textual criticism level, but it has no bearing upon the Scripture itself, and the truth that the full meaning and import of all the text as it stands in English is final and absolute.

* * * * * * * * * *

THE NEW TESTAMENT IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK TOGETHER WITH THE VARIATIONS ADOPTED IN THE REVISED VERSION.
London: C. J. CLAY &amp; SONS, CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY PRESS WAREHOUSE, AVE MARIA LANE.
THE NEW TESTAMENT IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK ACCORDING TO THE TEXT FOLLOWED IN THE AUTHORISED VERSION TOGETHER WITH THE VARIATIONS ADOPTED IN THE REVISED VERSION. EDITED FOR THE SYNDICS OF THE CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY PRESS BY THE LATE F. H. A. SCRIVENER, M.A., D.C.L., LL.D. PREBENDARY OF EXETER AND VICAR OF HENDON.
NEW EDITION
CAMBRIDGE: AT THE UNIVERSITY PRESS.
1894
PRINTED BY C. J. CLAY M.A. AND SONS AT THE UNIVERSITY PRESS

PREFACE TO THE FIRST EDITION. The special design of this volume is to place clearly before the reader the variations from the Greek text represented by the Authorised Version of the New Testament which have been embodied in the Revised Version. One of the Rules laid down for the guidance of the Revisers by a Committee appointed by the Convocation of Canterbury was to the effect &quot; that, when the Text adopted differs from &quot; that from which the Authorised Version was made, &quot;the alteration be indicated in the margin.&quot; As it was found that a literal observance of this direction would often crowd and obscure the margin of the Revised Version, the Revisers judged that its purpose might be better carried out in another manner. They therefore communicated to the Oxford and Cambridge University Presses a full and carefully corrected list of the readings adopted which are at variance with the readings &quot;presumed to underlie the Authorised Version,&quot; in order that they might be published independently in some shape or other. The University Presses have accordingly undertaken to print them in connexion with complete Greek texts of the New Testament. The responsibility of the Revisers does not of course extend beyond the list which they have furnished. The form here chosen has been thought by the Syndics of the Cambridge University Press to be at once the most convenient in itself, and the best fitted for giving a true representation of the Revisers\' work. In their Preface the Revisers explain that it did not fall within their province to construct a continuous and complete Greek text. Wherever a variation in the Greek was of such a nature that it could properly affect the English rendering, they had to decide between the competing readings : but in most other cases they refrained from spending time on work not needed for the purposes of an English translation. It was therefore impossible to print a continuous Greek text which should include the readings certified as adopted by the Revisers, without borrowing all the intervening portions from some printed text which had not undergone their revision, and in which, to judge by analogy, they would doubtless have found many readings to disapprove. It is true that all variations in this unrevised part of the text must from the nature of the case be comparatively unimportant : but they include many differences of order and grammatical form expressive of shades and modifications of meaning which no careful reader would neglect in studying the Greek original. The Cambridge Press has therefore judged it best to set the readings actually adopted by the Revisers at the foot of the page, and to keep the continuous text consistent throughout by making it so far as was possible uniformly representative of the Authorised Version. The publication of an edition formed on this plan appeared to be all the more desirable, inasmuch as the Authorised Version was not a translation of any one Greek text then in existence, and no Greek text intended to reproduce in any way the original of the Authorised Version has ever been printed. In considering what text had the best right to be regarded as *\'the text presumed to underlie the &quot;Authorised Version,&quot; it was necessary to take into account the composite nature of the Authorised Version, as due to successive revisions of Tyndale\'s translation. Tyndale himself followed the second and third editions of Erasmus\'s Greek text (15 19, 1522). In the revisions of his translation previous to 161 1 a partial use was made of other texts; of which ultimately the most influential were the various editions of Beza from 1560 to 1598, if indeed his Latin version of 1556 should not be included. Between 1598 and 1611 no important edition appeared; so that Beza\'s fifth and last text of 1598 was more likely than any other to be in the hands of King James\'s revisers, and to be accepted by them as the best standard within their reach. It is moreover found on comparison to agree more closely with the Authorised Version than any other Greek text; and accordingly it has been adopted by the Cambridge Press as the primary authority. There are however many places in which the Authorised Version is at variance with Beza\'s text ; chiefly because it retains language inherited from Tyndale or his successors, which had been founded on the text of other Greek editions. In these cases it is often doubtful how far the revisers of 1611 deliberately preferred a different Greek reading; for their attention was not specially directed to textual variations, and they might not have thought it necessary to weed out every rendering inconsistent with Beza\'s text, which might linger among the older and unchanged portions of the version. On the other hand some of the readings followed, though discrepant from Beza\'s text, may have seemed to be in a manner sanctioned by him, as he had spoken favourably of them in his notes ; and others may have been adopted on independent grounds. These uncertainties do not however affect the present edition, in which the different elements that actually make up the Greek basis of the Authorised Version have an equal right to find a place. Wherever therefore the Authorised renderings agree with other Greek readings which might naturally be known through printed editions to the revisers of 1611 or their predecessors, Beza\'s reading has been displaced from the text in favour of the more truly- representative reading, the variation from Beza being indicated by *. It was manifestly necessary to accept only Greek authority, though in some places the Authorised Version corresponds but loosely with any form of the Greek original, while it exactly follows the Latin Vulgate. All variations from Beza\'s text of 1598, in number about 190, are set down in an Appendix at the end of the volume, together with the authorities on which they respectively rest. Wherever a Greek reading adopted for the Revised Version differs from the presumed Greek original of the Authorised Version, the reading which it is intended to displace is printed in the text in a thicker type, with a numerical reference to the reading substituted by the Revisers, which bears the same numeral at the foot of the pages. Alternative readings are given in the margin by the Revisers in places &quot;in which, for the present, it would not&quot; in their judgement &quot;be safe to accept one reading to &quot; the absolute exclusion of others,&quot; provided that the differences seemed to be of sufficient interest or importance to deserve notice. These alternative readings, which are more than 400 in number, are distinguished by the notation Marg. or marg. In the Revised Version itself the marginal notes in which a secondary authority is thus given to readings not adopted in the text almost always take the form of statements of evidence, and the amount of evidence in each instance is to a certain extent specified in general terms. No attempt however has in most cases been made to express differences in the nature or the amount of this authority in the record of marginal readings at the foot of the page. For such details the reader will naturally turn to the margin of the Revised Version itself The punctuation has proved a source of much anxiety. The Authorised Version as it was originally printed in 1611, rather than as it appears in any later edition, has been taken as a primary guide. Exact reproduction of the English punctuation in the Greek text was however precluded by the differences of grammatical structure between the two languages. It was moreover desirable to punctuate in a manner not inconsistent with the punctuation of the Revised Version, wherever this could be done without in- convenience, as punctuation does not strictly belong to textual variation. Where however the difference of punctuation between the two Versions is incompatible with identical punctuation in the Greek, the stops proper for the Authorised Version are given in the text, with a numerical reference, without change of type, to the other method set forth in the foot- notes. Mere changes in punctuation, not consequent on change of reading, are discriminated from the rest by being set within marks of parenthesis ( ) at the foot of the page. The notes that thus refer exclusively to stops are about 157. The paragraphs into which the body of the Greek text is here divided are those of the Revised Version, the numerals relating to chapters and verses being banished to the margin. The marks which indicate the beginning of paragraphs in the Authorised Version do not seem to have been inserted with much care, and cease altogether after Acts xx. 36 : nor would it have been expedient to create paragraphs in accordance with the traditional chapters. Manifest errors of the press, which often occur in Beza\'s New Testament of 1598, have been silently corrected. In all other respects not mentioned already that standard has been closely abided by, save only that, in accordance with modern usage, the recitative on has not been represented as part of the speech or quotation which it introduces, and the aspirated forms avrov, avTw, avTov, &amp;c. have been discarded. In a very few words (e.g. /xapyaptrat) the more recent and proper accentuation has been followed. Lastly, where Beza has been inconsistent, the form which appeared the better of the two has been retained consistently : as xll* not vr/^aXeo?, ovKen not ovk ert, i^avrrfq not ii avTrj&lt;s, Lva ri not tvari, but ra vvv not ravw, 8ta TravTos not StaTravros, tovt Icttl not TovrccrTt. nACArPA&lt;t&gt;H0EOnNEYCTOCKAinct&gt;EAIMOC. F. H. A. S. Christmas, 1880.
NOTE TO THE SECOND EDITION. In this edition it has not been thought necessary to indicate variations from Beza by the mark *, the Appendix, which is retained, sufficiently shewing the passages in question ; moreover in lieu of using thicker type to indicate readings which have not been used by the Revisers, spaced type has been adopted. Christmas, 1893.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1290', 'adbe822858', 'The Protector, 24 May 2009', '[img:adbe822858]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:adbe822858]

[color=red:adbe822858]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:adbe822858]

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THE EXACTNESS OF GOD’S WORDS

If we examine our Bible to the very detail of the letters and words, we will find something very interesting. There is an exactness there that people have hardly understood. The very grammar and punctuation are exact.

Should we be surprised? God said, “Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.” (Deuteronomy 4:2).

Jesus said, “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:18).

Burgon wrote, ‘The Bible is none other than the voice of Him that sitteth upon the Throne! Every Book of it, every Chapter of it, every Verse of it, every word of it, every syllable of it, (where are we to stop?) every letter of it, is the direct utterance of the Most High!’

Burgon also wrote, “the plain fact being that the men of 1611 ... produced a work of real genius; seizing with generous warmth the meaning and intention of the sacred Writers, and perpetually varying the phrase, as they felt or fancied that Evangelists and Apostles would have varied it, had they had to express themselves in English”.

Burgon shows something really interesting about the English, &quot;If would really seem as if the Revisionists of 1611 had considered it a graceful achievement to vary the English phrase even on occasions where a marked identity of expression characterises the original Greek. When we find them turning ‘goodly apparel,’ (in S. James ii. 2,) into ‘gay clothing,’ (in ver. 3,) — we can but conjecture that they conceived themselves at liberty to act exactly as S. James himself would (possibly) have acted had he been writing English.&quot;

Burgon suggests something even more interesting, “But then it speedily becomes evident that, at the bottom of all this, there existed in the minds of the Revisionists of 1611 a profound (shall we not rather say a prophetic?) consciousness, that the fate of the English Language itself was bound up with the fate of their Translation.”

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1291', 'ed8a194d19', 'Mark O\'Neill\'s KJV Testimony', '[color=darkblue:ed8a194d19][i:ed8a194d19] I was brought up Catholic and so the KJV was a no-no right from the start. I remember watching Billy Graham as a young child (mid 60\'s), he was the only non-Catholic my grandmother would allow. He used the KJV and that always sort of stuck out to me.

 Later on in the 70\'s my step-father and I would watch Jerry Falwell &amp; Jimmy Swaggart and they used the KJV. At one time Falwell was KJV only, I thought Swaggart was, and if that was so he changed also at some point. 

So even though I wasn\'t saved, the KJV always seemed right. I got saved at last in 1991 and started attending a A.O.G church in Stamford, Ct. and they used the N.I.V. After a few months passed and I (and some other new comers) who did not display any of the &quot;gifts&quot; we were treated more and more like out casts. 

About that time (Easter 92), my girlfriend\'s sister invited me to her church. A Fundamental Independent KJV only Baptist church. From that time, until I moved to Australia in November 1998, I can\'t remember opening another modern Bible.

From that time until recently I did stray, for a time I used the NASB, and for 2 separate times used the NKJV. The world had worn me down I caved in. I always new the KJV was the best, then was taught that it was error free. Finding other &quot;KJV people&quot; in Australia wasn\'t an easy thing.

I then met my friends at Victory Faith Centre and learned about the Pure Cambridge Edition. I knew that there had been  a number of changes in the KJV over the years but never really thought much about it. I can\'t say I\'m an expert, however I will say that Matthew and Pastor Craig make a great deal of sense on the issue. If the KJV is perfect, and there are various ones then they can\'t all be perfect.

I think that many people think that the NIV, or NASB are just the KJV made easy. Many of those people will listen to reason. But then we have the KJV attackers who get some fire power from the various editions of the KJV. I would pay close attention to the argument for the Pure Cambridge Edition. God wants us to have his PERFECT Word, and I just don\'t use the KJV, I believe it 100%. 

I must be honest though, I have 2 Pure Cambridge Editions, I don\'t use them yet, I\'m trying to find a large print one that these ol\' eyes can see. I think the least that us with other KJV\'s could at least do is make the corrections where need be.

There are a lot of fine Bible teachers out there who are not KJV only, some of whom I read and listen to but when they try to correct God\'s Word, don\'t fall for it. Pray for them and if they are still with us, send them an email or a letter to come home to the real Word of God. [/i:ed8a194d19][/i][size=18:ed8a194d19][/size:ed8a194d19][color=darkblue][/color:ed8a194d19][/color]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1294', '660d54bca2', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'A pamphlet arrived in my letterbox recently that illustrates how false unity has infected the modern churches. It was an advertisement for people to come to Catholic, Anglican, Baptist and Assembly of God churches on Sundays. It had no differentiation as to what was actually being preached and taught, so the conclusion is that they think they are all the same. It was not always so and it is an illusion to think that God is in such ecumenical foolishness. It reminded me of the mess of modern versions that all claim to come from God, yet portray error and blasphemy.

&quot;Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you&quot; (2 Corinthians 6:17). Separation from error and erroneous groups (eg. Catholic churches) is not a bad thing but a necessary thing for preservation of truth and maintaining proper unity of the saints. &quot;A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.&quot; (Galatians 5:9). A little bit of compromise can affect the whole body and this is what is seen today. Those who have abandoned the use of the King James Bible seem blind to the fact that they have let in all types of incorrect modernist error.');
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AN INTRODUCTION TO THE PATIENCE OF THE SAINTS

“Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.” (Revelation 14:12, 13).

Having the commandments of God — the pure Word of God — is required before it is possible to actually do everything it says, or to come into fullness of the knowledge of the counsel of God and doctrine.

At this time, the Lord has given a blessing upon all His people who are faithful. Though there are many corruptions, compromisers and apostates, yet the Lord has faithful people, a remnant.

We are told that “their works do follow them”. That means that all the good things that Christians have done, their prayers, their missionary work, was not in vain. It was all for some end.

“And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” (Galatians 6:9).

There is a time for reaping. That is the result of the works which the saints have wrought.

Jesus said, “And these signs shall follow them that believe” (Mark 16:17a).

Notice that harvest follows the sowing, that the results follow the works. Therefore the signs must come into manifestation after the believing, after the persistence in faith. This means that the latter days Church must come into exhibiting these signs:
1. In my name shall they cast out devils;
2. they shall speak with new tongues;
3. They shall take up serpents; [if serpents happen to be at hand]
4. and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them;
5. they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

These are the things which we should expect to see in the faithful remnant of the Church, and in the times of Restitution.

MISSING VERSES

There are a number of verses which are missing in modern versions. They are omitted because modern scholars think that those verses were not originally present. It is very interesting to find that almost all those verses are present in Old English Bibles from the seventh century. Those Anglo-Saxon Bibles are based on old Latin Bibles which date all the way to before the time of Constantine the Emperor.

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There is no perfect Greek New Testament:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=309[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

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Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1296', 'ca0e628030', 'New monograph called &quot;glistering truths&quot;', '&quot;Glistering truths&quot; is a new monograph by Matthew Verschuur, freely available for download.
260KB PDF [url]www.bibleprotector.com/glistering_truths.pdf[/url]

[b:ca0e628030]Do you want to know what the difference between &quot;afterward&quot; and &quot;afterwards&quot; is? Or &quot;alway&quot; and &quot;always&quot;?

When should &quot;nay&quot; be used rather than &quot;no&quot;? What about words like &quot;defenced&quot;? And why is there &quot;vail&quot; and &quot;veil&quot; in the King James Bible?[/b:ca0e628030]

[i:ca0e628030]What are “Glistering Truths”?[/i:ca0e628030]

The King James Bible language differs from the normal English language used daily. The difference is not merely because the King James Bible is old, or merely because the Bible language is made to sound more majestic.

It is plain that the language of the Bible is special. And because special and peculiar words are found in the Bible, we should respect those words. Some people think that the words can be changed, or altered, or brought “up to date”. But if we look at the words the way they are in the King James Bible, we find that they are very particular and accurate.

The word “glistering” is one of those words which are questioned. A mocker or a scoffer might say it is just an archaic word, maybe obsolete, almost meaningless. But this one word, like every word, is filled with a particular and exact meaning.

The word “glistering” describes light being refracted or passing through an object, obviously of great beauty and glory. In this case, we can apply the word in a poetic way to the doctrine of the truth and accuracy of our English Bible. We observe the printed Bible as a mundane book, but when we know that the words which are printed there are full of life because they are in origin divinely inspired words, then we see the light.

When we look at our English Bible, we see the light of the Scripture shining through it very clearly. There is something distinct about the King James Bible, which is quite unlike an ordinary book.

In fact, the King James Bible has been called the best translation in the world. If we look at this Bible, that is, at the proper edition of it — the Pure Cambridge Edition — we find that every word is right and good.

And if we study these words, and their meanings, we observe something divine, and something alive with power. We are actually coming into knowledge of the very message of God in all its richness.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1297', '8eaf6dc4c2', '', 'Great work, Matthew.  God is blessing your unique calling.

During a quick scan, I caught one misspelling.  See the section on &quot;Earring/Earing&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1298', '86fe5a927a', 'The great blessing.', 'One great blessing Matthew (and indeed others) has is that he is in a Church that does not cast doubt in any way on the readings of the King James Bible. People cannot help but increase in knowledge in such an environment.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1299', '06bf1ef02f', '', 'See http://www.bibleprotector.com/glistering_truths.pdf');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1300', '1305d69b6d', 'What is faith?', 'It takes courage to stand in faith, because it goes against the grain of the world. The world is full of the curse, and these things are before our eyes because we live in the world. However God gives us strength to hold our positions, and not give up on our faith. God\'s Word always has the answers and it will always produce good results if we hold fast to it. The devil is the master of illusion but he cannot stand against the pressure a believer puts on him when the believer is standing in faith.

&quot;Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he [i:1305d69b6d]it is [/i:1305d69b6d]that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee.&quot; (Deuteronomy 31:6)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1301', 'c0980e64ba', 'My 9 Year Old', 'One of the excuses against reading the KJV is that it\'s so hard to read. I have just started my 9 year old son on the Pure Cambridge Edition, and he is doing quite well. The key is to start them young, children pick up things FAST. Other than the fact that it\'s not as hard as many say, and in many cases it\'s easier than the NIV and other phoney baloney versions.

Many people also admit that the KJV is the best, but they don\'t use it. Would you take a second rate medicine? Would you send up your 2nd best hitter as a pinch hitter with the game on the line? Would you order a hamburger made with stale beef? The answers are NO NO NO. Then why would you mess around with a 2nd rate Bible translation from Gnostic and Catholic texts, some of which were picked out of the garbage?

Another reason why people have given up or never picked up the KJV is that they think that these modern versions are just THE KING JAMES VERSION MADE EASY...WRONG!!! Even the New King James Version is corrupt (maybe not as much as the others, but even that is not the KJV made easy).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1302', 'cc4cbcb04e', 'What is Biblical preaching?', '&quot;As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.&quot; (Colossians 2:6,7).

When a person receives Christ, they are born again and their new life in Christ starts. Their responsibility is to now walk in Him. This is not an aimless walk but a walk of faith (see 2 Corinthians 5:7), which has the blessings of God manifested. This walk comes about through proper Biblical teaching - &quot;as ye have been taught&quot;. This teaching must be present in the believer\'s life and comes through the word of faith preached. &quot;But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach&quot; (Romans 10:8).

&quot;Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.&quot; (Colossians 2:8). Satan also has his teaching program. It is designed to get the weeds of the world into a person\'s heart, so that the Word of God is choked in them. &quot;And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.&quot; (Mark 4:19). The devils are out to &quot;spoil&quot; and they do this through diverting people away from the hearing of the Bible. All believers in Christ must heed the warning and &quot;Beware&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1303', '9422b28ff7', 'Answers to gainsayers', 'There are some people around who reject a proper KJBO view. They might even make claims about what I have written.

I do not need to explain things to those who have already made up their minds resolutely to believe their own things about a proper KJBO view.

If they claim that KJBOism teaches that the KJB is necessary for salvation, that is incorrect. Since the Word of God was in English before 1611, and since the Word of God was in Britain before English was spoken, it is evident that people were saved from the beginning of the Gospel. Moreover, there is no prohibition upon people being born again today in regards to whether or not they hear (or use) the KJB. Thus, the KJB nor KJBOism was not, nor is a requirement for salvation.

However, my view is that using the KJB will one day be synonymous with true Christianity. I think that time is coming. That would mean that those people who enter into full counsel of God would have a sound KJBO view.

Of course, some enemies to this view may misquote and impugn false motives.

Those who discern what I have said properly should see that the entire Canon of the Word of God has never been presented perfectly in any extant copy, but in the King James Bible. Nevertheless, the Scripture is perfect. But many copies, texts and translations are not. The issue is whether the KJB is perfect in regards to text and translation. But unless we uphold the right edition, there is still the issue of presentational perfection. Thus, no one\'s salvation was based on textual, translational or presentational perfection, but sufficiency in the natural, while perfection was there in the Spirit. One day, the doctrine of all these, I think, will be part of the fuller extent of proper doctrine, and therefore the true Christian Church upon earth will by its nature, I think, possess this as part of what is said in Hebrews 6:1.

[quote:9422b28ff7][b:9422b28ff7]ENGLISH RECEIVED TEXT. This view is that the English Bible, namely, the King James Bible is the best and, in fact, perfect text being gathered from the TR sources, and as an independent variety of the TR, is the final form of the text. Therefore, the text in English is matching exactly the words, but for the language, to the autographs. Moreover, the translation is exact, sense for sense, without addition, omission, alteration or substitution. While the KJB is not the only form of the English Scripture, or the only Bible in the world, it is, through various factors and providential signals, beginning to be regarded as the only Bible/Scripture Authority to be used. This means that the King James Bible will, if the logic is followed, have to be viewed in a fixed form, rather than in a continual perpetuation of editions with spelling differences or other even slight variations. However, because the Bible existed before 1611, there can never be the extreme of saying that it is the only Bible, or only edition, rather, that God has providentially brought it about so that in practice (i.e. in current use of the faithful) it is the only Bible. Moreover, if it is linked to true Christianity, at some point the Church using the King James Bible is going to be actually the true Church as opposed to the apostates who do not. “The authority is in the Authorized King James Bible.” 

In other words, future “King James Bible only” would be prescriptive of the true Church, (a true Christian could be judged of his trueness on account of it as part of true doctrine), whereas today it is only descriptive (there are as yet true Christians who are not using the King James Bible exclusively). The problem is that most people who have made it prescriptive up to today have held to various positions on the matter which are extreme or illogical. There needs to be a temperate and reasoned move to promoting the prescription position. Foremost in this is (as based on numerous Scriptures themselves: 
1. Recognising the KJB as the providentially appointed final text in the Church. 
2. Recognising the KJB as a perfect translation in the global language, so that it is viewed as God’s exact message to the world. 
3. Recognising the KJB has been presented in a final exact pure edition, accurate throughout, with the proper standard of spelling and Biblical English, without typographical error, without variation and without any other flaw to the jot and tittle.[/b:9422b28ff7][/quote:9422b28ff7]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1304', '4aaf0c5d21', 'The Protector, 7 June 2009', '[img:4aaf0c5d21]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:4aaf0c5d21]

[color=red:4aaf0c5d21]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:4aaf0c5d21]

WELCOME! [i:4aaf0c5d21]The Protector[/i:4aaf0c5d21] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:4aaf0c5d21][color=darkblue:4aaf0c5d21]EDITORIAL[/color:4aaf0c5d21][/size:4aaf0c5d21]

WHY WE DO NOT WANT CHANGES TO THE BIBLE

King James Only people do not like if “shew” is modernised to “show”, or &quot;Saviour&quot; is Americanised to &quot;Savior&quot;.

The issue is not about the sound of &quot;shew&quot; or how many letters &quot;saviour&quot; has (see 2 Kings 13:5). 

The issue is this:

&quot;Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name\'s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.&quot; (Isaiah 66:5).

The changing of &quot;shew&quot; to &quot;show&quot; might not seem to change a meaning or anything, but it is these Scriptures which are against it:

&quot;Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.&quot; (Proverbs 22:28).

And,

&quot;A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.&quot; (Galatians 5:9).

You see, there is no place to draw the line once you start changing things, and for the people you might think you are pleasing, you will find that others are displeased, not just because their traditions were encroached, but because they found that you had changed something of the very concepts of the Word of God (this can be easily done by changing so much as a comma!).

Some people use numerological and other dubious arguments in favour of retaining the King James Bible spelling and wording. What we must see is that while some arguments are valid, such as to argue for a godly tradition, the very Scripture itself puts forth all kinds of injunctions upon the keeping of the Word, meaning the very components of words and letters too.

It is very clear that there is an authoritative lineage by which we receive our KJB today. We have a proper tradition which we receive out of, showing (by God\'s providence) what is His Word in English, and therefore what we must keep and jealously guard. It was needful and sufficient that editing took place in the King James Bible in the past, but nothing of the sort is required now, except to conform to correctness of presentation. No new revision is required, nor even anything to be touched in the spelling. It is what it is, and either a person humbles themselves and loves it, or else one objects in vain.

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New booklet: Glistering Truths
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[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

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Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1305', '0f296013d8', 'Bondage to words and syllables?', 'The King James Bible translators said, “For is the kingdom of God become words or syllables? Why should we be in bondage to them, if we may be free? use one precisely, when we may use another no less fit as commodiously?”

The modernist, in their misinterpretation of the translators, claim that the 1611 men were arguing against having one exact Bible, and were against the idea that the Word of God could be fixed.

But this is not what they were saying. In another place, they write concerning the making of the KJB, “there should be one more exact Translation of the holy Scriptures into the English Tongue”. This indicates the exactness and finality of their work.

Now, there were some that said that that they should tie themselves to always using the same English word for each original word. But the translators said, “we have not tied ourselves to an uniformity of phrasing, or to an identity of words, as some peradventure would wish that we had done ... for there be some words that be not of the same sense every where”.

Thus, when they asked, “For is the kingdom of God become words or syllables?” they were talking about superstitious devotion to the original languages by having the English words in slavery, rather than having their English expressing the very sense of the originals.

One Greek word can be translated a number of ways, and therefore the best English words should be used each time. Thus, “asked”, “desired”, “craved”, “begged” and “required” all come from one Greek word!

Dean Burgon wrote, “the plain fact being that the men of 1611 ... produced a work of real genius; seizing with generous warmth the meaning and intention of the sacred Writers, and perpetually varying the phrase, as they felt or fancied that Evangelists and Apostles would have varied it, had they had to express themselves in English”.

Burgon explained, “It would really seem as if the Revisionists of 1611 had considered it a graceful achievement to vary the English phrase even on occasions where a marked identity of expression characterises the original Greek. When we find them turning ‘goodly apparel,’ (in St James ii. 2,) into ‘gay clothing,’ (in ver. 3,) — we can but conjecture that they conceived themselves at liberty to act exactly as St James himself would (possibly) have acted had he been writing English.”

Burgon suggested, “But then it speedily becomes evident that, at the bottom of all this, there existed in the minds of the Revisionists of 1611 a profound (shall we not rather say a prophetic?) consciousness, that the fate of the English Language itself was bound up with the fate of their Translation.”

It is right for us to seize upon the very jots and tittles in English. The translators’ words do not prohibit this, but rather, they admonish it, saying of God, “when he setteth his word before us, to read it”. What is set, but that it should be fixed. What is given, but that it should be held to. Therefore, the translators worked, “the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished; also, if any thing be halting, or superfluous, or not so agreeable to the original, the same may be corrected, and the truth set in place.” If truth was “set”, when is it “unset”?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1306', '71da99591b', 'Not bondage.', 'People that argue against exact wording to the jots and tittles actually [b:71da99591b]want [/b:71da99591b]change with the Word of God. [b:71da99591b]They actually want shifting sand.[/b:71da99591b] It is in them to be against the providence of God in producing exactness in a final form. Thus, they completely forget what God has said in Proverbs 30:5,6 and Revelation 22:18,19.

The actual nature of such gainsayers is described in the following as being &quot;[b:71da99591b]given to change[/b:71da99591b]&quot;: &quot;My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change&quot; (Proverbs 24:21).

&quot;The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.&quot; (Psalm 33:11).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1307', '1b07a5a8c7', 'Revival', 'Hi John,

 I\'ve been a baptist most of my saved life. I think that Lakeland, and Purpose Driven as well as the temporary surge in &quot;church&quot; attendance after 9/11 as well as the response to &quot;The Passion&quot;  movie are false and not of God. Most of those people ended up at catholic &quot;churches&quot; (not counting Lakeland) or &quot;churches&quot; that are leading people back to Rome. They are certainly not Bible believing churches. 

 There is a great movement of home fellowships, and small churches that I believe is the future. KJV only groups are a big part of this. We need to pray for, support, and promote such groups. Not to grow for the sake of numbers, but in a solid foundation of God\'s Word by solid preaching/teaching from the KJV. 

I have recently joined the &quot;Pure Cambridge Edition&quot; side, and although that may not be always that easy to find, I think that is the Bible among Bibles and when possible and as we could afford get them into the hands of as many as we can. 

Well, I\'m all over the road like a unicycle with a flat tyre so I\'ll end it here.

In HIS service,

Mark');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1308', 'aa5d4dd1bd', 'False revival', 'That\'s right, Mark.

Regarding the use of &quot;The Passion&quot; as an evangelistic tool, it is ludicrous for people to try to use such an unbiblical mess as this to get people saved. All it accomplishes is to help get people into Romanism (or stay in it) and certainly does not teach what is in the Bible.

We have also looked at this here: http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=89');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1309', '9602eaccde', 'Family First', 'Hi Craig,

A few years ago I sent a letter to family first asking their position on &quot;The Baby Bonus&quot;. I never heard back from them. I just could not get over the government paying  (rewarding) little girls to have sex/babies outside wedlock, and not even to acknowledge the man. 

 A moral &quot;Baby Bonus&quot; would have given  a set amount to the parents (in a joint account), who were married. Otherwise, it rewards fornication, and does away with the man (as government has become &quot;the daddy&quot;) and our nation drifts further and further from anything godly, or that even makes any sense.

Mark');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1310', 'a8b7f4ffc8', 'The Protector, 14 June 2009', '[img:a8b7f4ffc8]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:a8b7f4ffc8]

[color=red:a8b7f4ffc8]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:a8b7f4ffc8]

WELCOME! [i:a8b7f4ffc8]The Protector[/i:a8b7f4ffc8] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:a8b7f4ffc8][color=darkblue:a8b7f4ffc8]EDITORIAL[/color:a8b7f4ffc8][/size:a8b7f4ffc8]

ISAIAH 18:3

Many commentators say that the prophecy in Isaiah chapter eighteen is obscure, and there is very little insight into its meaning.

“All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign on the mountains; and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye.” (Isaiah 18:3).

“The eighteenth chapter of Isaiah,” says bishop Horsley, “is one of the most obscure passages of the ancient prophets. It has been considered as such by the whole succession of interpreters from Jerome to Dr. Lowth.”

Note the Scripture: “With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.” (Isaiah 26:9).
 
This shows that when the Word of God is in the Earth, specifically the final form of the King James Bible, then there will be a witness that will teach righteousness to the world. Note the word “learn”. We see that the Word of God must be taught — “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matthew 28:19,20).
 
Teaching all nations must be done on a unified Word basis.

For more information, go to [url]www.bibleprotector.com/trumpet.pdf[/url]

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[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

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Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1311', '2c0a2590ab', 'Expect God\'s power today.', 'The expectancy of God\'s power is related to how God wants to manifest Himself, namely what He has set down as to the way He will manifest Himself.

The world (made up of fallen men and women) is full of unbelief and wicked ways. &quot;And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.&quot; (1 John 5:19). Concerning spiritual things, &quot;Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.&quot; (John 14:17).

Jesus was asked the question, &quot;Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?&quot; (John 14:22). This shows us that compromisers with the world and the world itself will not have the manifestation of God made known. Many of those who are unsaved can live their whole life as though God is not real at all!

The answer to the question is as follows and shows the priority that must be in the Christian believer\'s life. &quot;Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.&quot; (John 14:23).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1312', 'bb47a56016', 'Review of Rick Norris\' anti-kJBO booklet', 'Around the time I was completing the “Glistering Truths” monograph ([url]www.bibleprotector.com/glistering_truths.pdf[/url]), I came across a booklet by Rick Norris called “KJV-only Myths about Archaic Words in the KJV”. (Norris has made some comments on “Glistering Truths”, or rather, asked some rhetorical questions. Of course, his questions are easy to disarm, but would throw the unwary off balance. I thought I would address some of his ideas and statements, and his accusations disguised as questions.)

Rick Norris’ booklet:
[url]www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/kjv-only-myths-about-archaic-words/2175450[/url]

For further reading of my view:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/trumpet.pdf[/url]

I want to take the opportunity to dissect Norris’ work, as a kind of review, and warning to the unwary.

Here is Norris’ opening line:

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Based on their professed love for the Bible and their KJV-only view’s claim that the KJV is the only valid Bible in English, KJV-only advocates seek to answer and refute any evidence that they think would conflict with their reasoning.[/b:bb47a56016]

First, you will note that Norris writes in the passive voice. This is a wonderful tactic for sounding “fair” and “balanced”.

If he said, “KJV-only advocates seek to answer and refute any evidence that they think would conflict with their reasoning Based on their professed love for the Bible and their KJV-only view’s claim that the KJV is the only valid Bible in English”, (putting the second half of the sentence first), it would be clear that he is not reporting factually, but in fact slurring KJV-only advocates for not being able to answer and refute “any evidence” (which begs the fact that such evidence exists), and that the KJV-only advocate’s final line of defence is merely a “professed love”, that is implying that it is merely a form of tradition, and actually only in words, not practice.

Welcome to the world of Rick Norris, where everything is innuendo, implied, seemed, likely and probable... for example, he goes on to explain concerning KJB-onlyists:

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Other important factors may be  [/b:bb47a56016]
All these maybes lead him to a conclusion that

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Such factors and others may lead them to feel[/b:bb47a56016]  

Now, the main thesis:

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For whatever actual reasons or factors, holders of a KJV-only view seem willing to accept and even to advocate several false claims or myths about archaic words in the KJV.[/b:bb47a56016]

Clearly, to say that someone seems willing cannot be substantiated without facts. Of course, when it comes to facts, Rick Norris goes into quotefest mode. He cites everything he can lay his hands on, filling whole paragraphs with quotations. But quotations are a double-edged thing. Sure, they make you look balanced and scholarly, and garnish paragraphs of a treatise very nicely, but it is possible there are other quotes from the same authors which do not match to your view.

Norris quotes numerous King James Only advocates without ever dividing them into different camps or parties. A TRO is not the same as a Ruckmanite, yet Norris does not see it in his interest to make such distinctions. He quotes a whole raft of authors, who give various numbers on how many archaic words they think might be in the King James Bible. My own opinion is that there are in practice no archaic words, but according to Norris’ definitions, that would be a “myth”, which he enthusiastically gives a whole paragraph of dictionary citations to better define that word for us.

Of course, Norris favours the highest numbers possible for his real amount of archaic words in the KJB, giving citations of non-KJBO sources.

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These counts of 618, over 800, or 1000 did not even include the fact that a good number of these words are used more than once in the KJV. While a few of these words may be used only one time, others are used several times. Some may be used as many as one hundred times or more.  [/b:bb47a56016]

Norris goes on to include “thee”, “thou”, “ye”, etc. to reach

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possible totals of 6,000 to 20,000. [/b:bb47a56016]

This fast becomes ludicrous when there might or might not be 14,000 archaic words. Of course, there are actually nought, but if we accept the most conservative claim of 6000, that is still way more than what non-KJBO word experts claim,

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Luther Weigle claimed: &quot;There are more than one thousand such English
words which are used in the King James Version in a sense substantially different from that which they now convey&quot;  [/b:bb47a56016]

If Weigle claimed over a thousand, Norris has multiplied to get to 20,000. But it should be obvious that Norris is not interested in those 20,000 words which normal readers cannot comprehend in the Bible. Norris’ agenda must be exposed: He is merely taking the route of the widest as possible departure from the KJB. In other words, there is an agenda, whether unspoken or admitted, to make the King James Bible advocates appear as wrong as possible.

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Some KJV-only advocates seem to avoid dealing with objective descriptions of certain words as “archaic” and may oppose using a standard reference work or dictionary to identify which words can be considered “archaic” or used with an archaic meaning.  [/b:bb47a56016]

Dictionaries are not objective. Webster was a Bible reviser. The Oxford English Dictionary is not final authority. Therefore, if a word is said to be “archaic” in the dictionary, and yet that word is used in the King James Bible, which is current, then all such words cannot be really said to be archaic, especially if they have a special use. For example, words like “propitiation” are not normally used, but that does not make this term “archaic”. If it be said that this is a theological term, then we at least can defend that all the words in the Bible are theological, for they are the words of God.

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Some may imply that this type words are some kind of more accurate, “higher,” or “Biblical” English.  [/b:bb47a56016]

I plainly state this is the case, and shewed numerous examples in “Glistering Truths” to this effect. All Norris did was question whether or not the forms as printed in 1611 (and since altered) were more accurate, because they might have been the translators’ intended wordings. In reality, we know that the presentation printed in 1611 does not match what the translators intended in final presentation, because we know that they would not approve of typesetting errors as the actual representation of their work. Also, we know that editors have diligently and particularly worked to ensure that the presentation is correct as we now have it. And when we look, we find that each word is accurate.

Norris goes on to rubbish the idea of the “internal dictionary”. He goes on to say

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This fact that KJV-only advocates disagree about the meaning of a number of words used in the KJV conflicts with Riplinger’s claim that the KJV defines all its own words.  [/b:bb47a56016]

Let’s consider that not all KJB people are always right all of the time. Let’s hypothesise that the idea of an internal dictionary does not have to apply to every last detail. If I take Norris’ case study of “coney”, I would have to conclude that the “coney”, based on common use, the OED, the writings of learned ministers, and on Scripture context is the rabbit. I suspect that Norris has the agenda of rejecting the King James Bible (and the Geneva and Bishops’), and a commitment to some ethereal “true” meaning in the Hebrew. Pointing out that some KJB people disagree is no different than saying how many different views there are among modernist scholars. Clearly, when there are diverse opinions (as there are on any subject), only particular ones are right. Scripturally and spiritually we should retain the word &quot;coney&quot; for that it doubtless has a particular application, e.g. to a young rabbit. 

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Some of the KJV’s archaic words and phrases are not listed or defined in many present-day one-volume English dictionaries.  [/b:bb47a56016]

Notice that we have accelerated from “archaic” words to “archaic” phrases also. Doubtless, “archaic” verses of meaningless (or, unmeaning) nonsense or “unfortunate” phrases (according to one “expert”) are to follow. Maybe even a chapter of Scripture, like Isaiah 18?

Norris excels himself by saying,

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It does dishonor to God\'s Word to leave it in the condition where there is a necessity for preachers and teachers to update its archaic words, clarify some renderings, or correct its errors (whether errors of printing or translation).  [/b:bb47a56016]

What printing errors remain?

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Many of the archaic words were very good translations in 1611, and the KJV translators cannot be blamed for the fact that our English language has changed so much over the years.  [/b:bb47a56016]

His real issue is with us for retaining something which is now “changed”. Since when did man’s theories necessitate change to the Word of God?

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If a hearer or reader does not know the meaning of the words and cannot find them in a regular one-volume English dictionary, the effect may be the same as though the words were said or written in a foreign language [/b:bb47a56016] 

Or, if the Holy Ghost is not present, the effect may be as though some words were as foreign.

Isa 29:11 &quot;And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed&quot;

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Words used with quite different meaning from what they once possessed can be like hidden rocks which give no notice of their presence but on which a boat is more likely to be shipwrecked than on rocks that can be seen above the water.  [/b:bb47a56016]

Instead of glistering truths, instead of beacons and lighthouses, suddenly the King James Bible words are treacherous, destructive, and even deceptive.

Norris then launches into dreary lists of comparison to the former Protestant English Bibles. He tries to argue that they have better wording than the King James Bible, an object impossible to prove. Of course, Rick Norris does not have to prove it, if he just asks the questions over and again, like,

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Would Vance claim that the Bishops’ rendering “outlandish” at three verses would be more accurate than the rendering “strange“ or “foreign” (Archaic Words, p. 254)?  [/b:bb47a56016]

It is the questioning of the KJB which itself is the doubt. He does not have to say, “The KJB is wrong”, just keep asking in a way to cast aspersions about it.

It goes on for pages and pages.

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Does Ruckman’s profession or recommendation of the genuine work of updating in the pre-1611 English Bibles match his practice in his comments about similar updating in later English translations? If some of the helpful updating in the 1833 Webster’s and 1842 revision had been adopted by publishers of KJV editions in the mid-1800‘s, perhaps there would have been less interest in new translations. One purpose of this booklet is to show what the genuine work of updating and revision looked like in the pre-1611 English Bibles and the KJV. As the many pages of examples show, that genuine work often looked a great deal like the updating and revision in later English translations.  [/b:bb47a56016]

We should see that the KJB was a genuine revision of former Bibles, whereas works like Webster’s revised edition, or the American Baptist Revision (reported on in) 1852, were of an entirely different nature. They were not refining things like the KJB did to the Bishops’ etc. Those unauthorised revisions went against the whole line of King James Bible editorial work, changing words, and often needlessly making all kinds of alterations.

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While the mark, endeavor, or goal of the KJV translators according to their 1611 preface was to make a good translation better, the overall evidence does not prove that they accomplished this mark for every word of every verse.  [/b:bb47a56016]

Actually, the overall evidence is that they did accomplish this. The slanted and misintepreted “evidence” given by Rick Norris, again in long lists, is that he obviously thinks that numerous Geneva words are better.

In this list, he points out “mart” at Isaiah 23:4. Everyone knows that a “mart” is a department or variety store, therefore another term could not be superior on any grounds. Again, he points out “church” in Acts 7:38, but this seems to be a doctrinal issue, nothing to do with so-called “archaic” language. Again, he points out “tradition” in 2 Thessalonians 3:6, but surely this is one of many examples of objections based on the author’s opinions.

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Other KJV-only myths about archaic words include the claim that they should be left in the text and the claim that accuracy will be sacrificed if they are changed.  [/b:bb47a56016]

This is no myth. Any revising of the actual words and language of the King James Bible as it now stands is going to be detrimental.

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If it was wrong to update archaic words, by the same reasoning it would have been wrong for the KJV translators to update the earlier English Bibles.  [/b:bb47a56016]

Here Norris does not acknowledge the teaching that being purified seven times is limited to seven times (see Psalm 12). After that, it is final. There were seven main early modern English Protestant Bibles of the Reformation. Once finalised, there was no need to change the version or the translation.

The version and translation have not been changed in the King James Bible since 1611. The editions, with all their corrections or standardising of the spelling, etc., cannot be considered in the same light. Moreover, even such editorial work is now complete.

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When some KJV-only advocates in effect condemn the updating of archaic words in the KJV,  [/b:bb47a56016]

Since there are no “archaic” words in the Bible, and since no words can be truly altered to be any more accurate, this is not a logical sequence.

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by a consistent application of that same reasoning they would also in effect be condemning the KJV and its updating of many archaic words.  [/b:bb47a56016]

Norris claims that the revising of former versions was an updating of archaic words. In reality, it was actually an improvement of the text and the translation. The KJB translators did not have an agenda or mandate to “update ‘archaic’ words” as such, but obviously cared for communicating the exact sense with the best English word possible at every place.

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If KJV-only advocates know how to translate some places more clearly and how to update the archaic words, why don\'t they do it? [/b:bb47a56016] 

This is untrue, in that KJB-onlyists do NOT know how to translate some places more clearly, and do not see the need to “update” any word, since none is out of date. I am sure that any true KJBO would rejected ANY changes in the translation as it has stood since 1611.

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Will these KJV-only advocates ever accept and use any edition or revision of the KJV that uses updated spelling and vocabulary? [/b:bb47a56016] 

Of course, any newly modernised edition should be rejected. However, there was the traditional work of standardising the language, such as bringing in a uniformity of spelling, which is entirely acceptable. This was a finite process, and has come to its conclusion.

Finally, Norris’ convolutes the case,

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The letters that make up a word are not more important than the intended meaning of the words. If all the individual letters are considered more important, it would imply that it was wrong for the spelling in the 1611 edition to have been updated. It seems that some KJV-only advocates even oppose the updating of the spelling of some words in the KJV even though they accept a great deal of updated spelling and other changes from the 1762 and 1769 KJV editions and even later editions. Some accepted changes were made as late as the 1880’s in Oxford editions of the KJV and as late as 1900 in Cambridge editions of the KJV.  [/b:bb47a56016]

In reality, words are important, not merely letters. But the Scripture states that even the jots and tittles cannot fail, meaning the letters.

The emphasis on words and letters is not an emphasis on typographical errors in the 1611 Edition. Clearly, there needed to be, and has been, purification of the presentation in various editions. Updated spelling and various editing of words is quite right. But that has been finalised.

Norris admits that “Some accepted changes were made as late as the 1880’s in Oxford editions of the KJV and as late as 1900 in Cambridge editions of the KJV.”

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In effect, some KJV-only advocates seem to be promoting current KJV\'s with many more than one hundred thirty alterations from the original 1611 edition of the KJV as being the same text as the 1611. [/b:bb47a56016] 

There is a vast difference between alterations of typographical errors, spelling and other editorial work when compared to actual changes in the version and translation. There are simply no real changes to the version and translation from 1611 to now. Therefore, Norris’ words on this topic are but empty slurs.[/b]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1313', '02e3511a06', 'God is faithful', 'God upholds His Word because it is His nature to do so. He is holy, upright and righteous. For a person to doubt God’s Word is doubting the integrity of God Himself. He wouldn’t be the holy and true God if He didn’t fulfil His Word in our lives. But because He is, He always comes through on His promises. Why do people miss out at times? Because they doubt, or don’t ask, or don’t receive, or give up their faith position because things are too tough. We are called to hold fast onto God’s Word to the end for whatever you are believing God for, regardless of the circumstance – until the victory is manifested. If we understand God’s nature, we’ll understand that He cannot and will not fail us. 

&quot;Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.&quot; (Hebrews 3:12)

&quot;For the word of God [i:02e3511a06]is [/i:02e3511a06]quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [i:02e3511a06]is [/i:02e3511a06]a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.&quot; (Hebrews 4:12)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1314', '8ebe47be97', 'Alcohol and The Bible', 'I\'d like to know what the readers as well  my friends from Victory Faith Centre  feel the Bible teaches about alcohol. Is a little nip now and then ok? Is it ok as long as the state of drunkenness is not reached? What about for medicinal purposes? Looking forward to your replies,

In HIS service,

Mark');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1315', 'bc29b0d6cc', '', '1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1316', 'f0931e8b79', 'Smith Wigglesworth, Melbourne, 1922', 'THE ARGUS
Wednesday 22 February 1922
HEALING BY TOUCH.
Manifestations at Olympia.
 
At a series of meetings conducted during the last ten days by Mr. Smith Wigglesworth, a Yorkshire evangelist, there have been many, “manifestations of healing.” Mr. Wigglesworth held his earlier meetings in the Good News Hall, North Melbourne, and at first the attendance was only moderate; but this week it was necessary to transfer to Olympia, as so many persons had to be turned away from the smaller hall.

Last night a large number of persons came “for aid,” to use the evangelist’s expression; and though he was not successful in all eases there were many in which there appeared to be startling and immediate improvement after he had laid his hands on the afflicted and prayed over them. In one instance a woman who was said to have been very deaf was able to answer him when he spoke to her in an ordinary tone. In another an elderly man, who declared that he had suffered from noises in the head for 10 years, said that he was free from them at last! An elderly woman who was described as almost crippled with rheumatism, was directed to stoop down, and touch the ground with her hands. “I don’t suppose you have bent your back for some time,” Mr. Wigglesworth said. The patient stooped down without effort apparently, and was so delighted that she laughed heartily. “No pain and no stiffness now?” asked the evangelist, and she replied that she had none. A girl who had an affliction of the hip and knee, which it was said had prevented her walking without a stick for some years walked up and down in front of the audience at a rapid pace, whereas she had only been able before to limp slowly with the aid of her stick. “Throw your stick away; burn it,&quot; said Mr. Wigglesworth. “You will not want it again.” Many other cases gave interesting results.

THE ARGUS
Thursday 23 February 1922
HEALING BY TOUCH.
Further Demonstrations.

Further demonstrations of healing by touch were given by Mr. Smith Wigglesworth, a Yorkshire evangelist, before a very large assemblage at the Olympia last night. After the evangelist had given an address on the subject of faith, he called upon those who had come “for aid” on Tuesday night to testify as to the results and several persons who had been suffering from deafness, rheumatics and lameness declared that thou ailments bad completely gone. Mr Wigglesworth then gave further manifestations of healing by touch. An elderly man, who said that he had been deaf for years cried “Hallelujah! Hallelujah!” when asked by Mr. Wigglesworth if he could hear after hands had been placed on him and he had been prayed over. A woman, who, it was declared had had stiff legs for over 20 years, and who limped to Olympia on the arm of a relative, ran about the hall in joy after she had been “touched”. Another woman who was said to have been an invalid in a chair for 23 years, declared that her limbs were “beginning to move.” She was advised by the evangelist to retain her faith in Jesus Christ and her cure would be complete. A young woman with pains of long standing in her back was able to sloop and touch the ground with her hands, and she laughed heartily as she told the audience that her trouble had gone. A woman, who asserted that she had been unable to walk owing to pain in her feet, ran up and down in front of the audience crying “Praise the name of the Lord.” She declared that her pain vanished when the evangelist touched her.

There were a few failures, some deaf persons and some almost blind stating that they could not admit any improvement. “Strengthen your faith in the Lord,” was the advice given them by Mr. Wigglesworth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1317', '7f9815af16', 'Alcohol drinking', 'The following are notes from a sermon I preached:

&quot;Is drinking alcohol acceptable for Christians?&quot;  by Craig Savige

1.	The state of society.
	&quot;[T]he alarming facts about the little know condition of Alcohol Related Brain Damage (ARBD) - how it takes a comparatively small quantity of alcohol and a short amount of time to cause significant and irreparable damage to the brain. [Alcohol drinking is] a social problem, which affects the lives of many thousands of Australians.&quot; 
	&quot;The drinking of alcoholic beverages by over 100 million Americans is rightly regarded by social analysts as America\'s number one public enemy. This... claims at least 100,000 American lives per year, 25 times as many as all illegal drugs combined.&quot;
	&quot;Alcohol is responsible for one in five admissions to the [Victorian] state\'s public hospitals, and, according to the Australian Medical Association, it is the main cause of primary illness or disability in about a third of patients admitted to general hospitals... One of the main offshoots of the misuse of alcohol is a resultant high incidence of birth defects... Although the health costs are high, the greatest consequence of alcohol in Victoria is as a cause of road crashes.&quot;
	&quot;In pharmacological terms, it is actually a depressant of the central nervous system - the brain and the spinal cord. In the language that has evolved around drugs, alcohol is a &quot;downer&quot; masquerading as an &quot;upper&quot;... Alcohol\'s initial effect is to progressively remove the inhibitions that normally constrain a person\'s conversation and behaviour.&quot;
	We could also talk of alcohol\'s links to various cancers, the problem of under-age drinking, its relation to violent crime, such as rape. Why would any Christian want to have anything at all to do with it??
	Christians should heed the following warning:
	1 Thess.5:22		&quot;Abstain from all appearance of evil.&quot;
	Some say, &quot;Isn\'t it all right for Christians to have a little bit of alcohol as long as they don\'t get drunk?&quot; The short answer is: NO!!
There are major problems with Christians partaking of alcohol as follows:
	1. It is forbidden in God\'s Word.	
	2. We should not appear to be condoning a major social problem.	
	3. We should not appear to be condoning a major criminal problem.	
	4. There are many health issues associated with drinking even small amounts of alcohol. 	
                5. Our minds and judgement can be affected detrimentally. We are instructed by God to be:
	1 Pet.4:7		&quot;be ye therefore sober&quot;	
	1 Pet.5:8		&quot;Be sober&quot;
	sober = &quot;Not drunk... temperate in regard to drink; moderate, well-balanced, sane, tranquil, self-controlled, sedate&quot; 

2.	The Biblical view.
	Prov.23:20,21		&quot;Be not among winebibbers&quot;
	winebibber = &quot;tippler, drunkard&quot;
	tippler = A person who &quot;[d]rink[s] intoxicating liquor habitually&quot; or &quot;[d]rink[s] (liquor) 	repeatedly in small amounts&quot;.     	liquor = &quot;liquid (usu. fermented or distilled) for drinking&quot; Examples include wine and	beer.	Note that a subset of &quot;liquor&quot; is the following:
	liqueur = &quot;Strong spirituous liquor sweetened and flavoured with aromatic substances and and usu. drunk in small quantities after meals&quot;
	Ps.1:1		&quot;the way of sinners&quot;
	1 Tim.5:22		&quot;neither be partaker of other men\'s sins&quot;
	Matt.7:18-20	&quot;by their fruits ye shall know them&quot;
	By what fruits is alcohol drinking known? What are the fruits of the brewers?
	Prov.23:29-35	&quot;At the last it [wine] biteth like a serpent&quot;	Prov.20:1		&quot;Wine is a mocker&quot; This is the nature of alcohol when used as drink.	
	Gen.9:20,21		&quot;he drank of the wine, and was drunken&quot;
	Isa.28:7,8		&quot;erred through wine&quot;
	Isa.56:11,12	&quot;I will fetch wine&quot;	
	Rev.1:5,6		&quot;made us kings and priests&quot;
	Lev.10:8-11		&quot;Do not drink wine&quot;
	Ezek.44:21		&quot;Neither shall any priest drink wine&quot;
	Hosea 4:11		&quot;wine taketh away the heart&quot;
	Luke 1:15		&quot;he... shall drink neither wine nor strong drink&quot;
	1 Tim.3:2,3		&quot;Not given to wine&quot;
	Titus 1:7		&quot;not given to wine&quot;
	Prov.31:4-6		&quot;it is not for kings to drink wine&quot;

3.	The excuses answered.
	Firstly, we should realise that histrically not all wines have been alcoholic, so we should not automatically place our culture (which uses &quot;wine&quot; as predominantly alcoholic) into the Biblical setting. Historically, Horace spoke in 35 BC of &quot;unintoxicating wine&quot;, Plutarch in 60 AD wrote, &quot;That filtered wine neither inflames the brain nor infects the mind and the passions, and is much more pleasant to drink.&quot;, Aristotle said of sweet wine that it would not intoxicate and could be boiled down, stored, then dissolved in water when needed again, Virgil in 30 BC referred to the unintoxicating wine, Homer in &quot;The Odyssey&quot; referrred to the pure wine. Many wine companies today sell non-alcoholic wine - look on the internet.
	Show &quot;wine&quot; word meanings overhead.
	Show kinds of wine overhead. The new wine would be boiled down until it was a paste and then it could be reconsituted at any time without fermenting; besides, special man-made conditions are needed for fermentation.
	John 2:1-11		&quot;the water that was made wine&quot; Show reasons overhead.
	1 Tim.5:23		&quot;use a little wine for thy stomach\'s sake&quot;
	Notice:	1.	It was a &quot;little&quot;, not a lot.
			2.	Ancient writers, such as Aristotle, Athanaeus and Pliny indicated that unfermented wine was known and preferred to fermented wine because it did not have the side effects of the latter.
			3.	The unfermented wine would have acted as a nourishing tonic.
&quot;The alcohol-related brain is exposed&quot;, Australian Safety News, July 1990, p.20
From 1986 report of National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, US News and World Report, Nov 30,1987
&quot;Australians feel a binge coming on&quot;, The Age, 14 December 1987
&quot;Depressing facts about the many effects of drinking&quot;, The Age, 15 December 1987
”The Concise Oxford English Dictionary, 1977, p.1087
Ibid, p.1337
Ibid, p.1215
Ibid, p.633
Op. cit
Wilkerson, D., &quot;Sipping Saints&quot;, 1978, pp.26,27');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1318', '46e172b0c8', 'Alcohol and the Bible', 'Craig\'s given a very thorough response. Also, when Jesus turned the water into wine at the marriage feast at Cana (John 2:1-10), this would have been non-alcoholic. Jesus brought healing and deliverance in His ministry, and He wouldn\'t have given a poisonous substance to the wedding guests. 

&quot;How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.&quot; (Acts 10:38).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1319', 'ba14ab84ee', 'Alcohol and The Bible', 'All of those reasons and more, thanks. It is a shame how many &quot;churches&quot; use the ol\' &quot;all things in moderation&quot; line. That would make fornication,, murder, rape, child abuse, robbery, and every other sin ok, as long as it\'s &quot;in moderation&quot;.  Thanks for the replies.
Mark');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1320', 'eb75bc2a0d', 'Cameo PCE versus Cameo non-PCE', '[b:eb75bc2a0d]The &quot;Cameo&quot; style King James Bible is a very easy to read typeface, and there are various options with just plain text and excellent quality binding.

The Cameo style is made by Cambridge University Press. It dates at least from the 1930s, and is still a very good style today. The layout (the plates) has been used for the printing of King James Bibles even to this day.[/b:eb75bc2a0d]

I have found that the “Cameo” style Bible as printed by Cambridge University Press (CUP), and by others, like the Trinitarian Bible Society (TBS) and Bearing Precious Seed/Local Church Bible Publishers (BPS), may be a Pure Cambridge Editions (PCEs).

It appears that in the 1980s or later, two deliberate changes have been made in these printing plates, so that while later printings will appear identical, page for page, line for line, there will be a difference at Acts 11:12 and 1 John 5:8. Both of these places have “spirit” lower case in the good old PCE Cameos. But the new Cameos, probably with the same product codes, have unauthorisedly and silently altered and corrupted these two spots DELIBERATELY (an editor from CUP admitted as much), so that they have them with a capital “S” on Spirit.

The old Cameo (PCE) will be otherwise identical, page for page, to the very position on the page for every character. Any Bible that has this “Cameo” style might be a PCE, or otherwise would be a PCE, if only it matched at those two references.

There is a variety of bindings in this Cameo style, such as large print, or Morocco/French Morocco. 

Because some of the old ones are still surviving around the place in warehouses, there is some change that some will be PCE even today as being yet available from the TBS or BPS (inquire concerning the two verses in question in #355, #380 or #180 from the Lansing group or affiliates).

In the following is the Cameo style, with the PCE. The non-PCE Cameo printings differ only at Acts 11:12 and 1 John 5:8, but otherwise are right.

[img:eb75bc2a0d]http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc262/bibleprotector/1John5.jpg[/img:eb75bc2a0d]

The best thing to do is to ask the seller or publisher whether the Bible matches up and is PCE or not. You don\'t want to buy one and then find out that it is not PCE.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1321', 'e26eae09e3', 'Heavy Jesuit Influence', 'Is there anything that is not tainted by this Jesuit influenced man?
You clearly exposed many lies of his.
Thank you Matthew.
He likes to twist and lie as much as he dare.
There is no cloak for his Jesuit influenced sin.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1322', 'c72567b933', 'Are Allen\'s Bibles', 'This is a question directed towards bibleprotector / Matthew:
I noticed that back in January you had said that the Bibles on the Allen\'s website were PCE - specifically &quot;Cambridge - Pitt Minion&quot;.  Does this still hold true, even with the [url=http://bibles-direct.com/category.phtml?Category=68]PM3 Bible[/url] that is now listed on there?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1323', '07a25d74e5', '', 'They had old stock remaining which was PCE.

They could run out of stock, or have run out by now.

They could also make that line extinct.

It is possible that the same could be replaced with apparently the same Bible, but with a few changes in them, i.e. no longer PCE. This has happened with the Cameo style (large print, morocco covers, etc.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1324', 'ea880163d8', 'What the 1611 translators said about modern versions', 'The following answers accusations that the KJB translators of 1611 said or thought their version was not final, not perfect, or could be replaced, etc.

[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/good_hand.pdf[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1325', '2b8a31d93f', 'Popish persons.', 'It is clear that many Popish persons are still around today gainsaying the good and exact work of the King James Bible translators. Such persons agree with Romanism in words and actions by coming against the pure Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1326', '9164c0006c', '', 'Thanks for the prompt reply Matthew :)

I hope they didn\'t replace it with a non-PCE... I already ordered one from there hoping it was PCE.  
I have a few Bibles that are close.  A Collins from the 50\'s which only had 2 spots (that I can recall) that didn\'t match up to the PCE (Gen 46:12 - &quot;Zarah&quot;, Psalm 107:27 - &quot;wit\'s&quot;).
I picked it up from a thrift store for $1.95, so I was quite amazed to find it... however I got home to discover it had 2 pages missing out of romans.  I had to laugh at this misfortune.  However, I printed off some replacement pages for it which I inserted - surprisingly, it turned out pretty good :).  For me it was a labor of love... It\'s such a shame to see a perfectly good Bible mangled!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1327', '6a48d75e26', '1611 Translators', 'Thank you Matthew for that article on the Letter of the Translators to the Readers.
You came up with a couple of very good points.
I am very familiar with this letter.
Have read it several times and I copied it out by hand without any error.
*******
I particularily was blessed reading the section titled...
*******
Variety of Translations is Profitable
*******
PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1328', '167e1827fc', '', 'Thanks Peter. This is an area where some have attacked the KJB men, and it is good to give an answer to counteract the foolishness of scoffers and mockers.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1329', '475d3e1ebd', 'Concerning enemies of God\'s work', 'Those who attack God’s work often do so in complete ignorance of facts and argue their case from a completely anti-God biased stand. This can certainly be said of many of those who attack certain young-Earth creationist ministries and King James Bible only ministries.

We should note that Paul, who was called of God and went against many conventions of his day, came under much attack. “Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds” (Philippians 1:15,16). Obviously, some with evil intentions were preaching specifically “to add affliction to [Paul’s] bonds”.

All types of calamity comes to those who persist in rebelling against the work of God. “Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works” (2 Timothy 4:14). Paul was slandered against and people acted against him but this did not stop the work of God. In fact, some people were desperate to turn people against the minister of Christ. Much of this type of opposition came from within the churches! – “in perils among false brethren” (see 2 Corinthians 11:26).

“As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:16). Some people are indeed unlearned and unstable and, because of their own sin, want to lead others away to be destroyed with themselves. They put themselves in a terrible situation. “He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed.” (Proverbs 13:20).

God is merciful if only they will repent of their sin, otherwise they are their own worst enemies and stay in the snare of the devil. “In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.” (2 Timothy 2:25,26).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1330', 'ec609aa6e3', 'The Protector, 21 June 2009', '[img:ec609aa6e3]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:ec609aa6e3]

[color=red:ec609aa6e3]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:ec609aa6e3]

WELCOME! [i:ec609aa6e3]The Protector[/i:ec609aa6e3] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:ec609aa6e3][color=darkblue:ec609aa6e3]EDITORIAL[/color:ec609aa6e3][/size:ec609aa6e3]

FAITH IS REQUIRED

“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.” (Hebrews 11:6).

“While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18).

Faith is not blind. Faith sees, but it does not look to the natural, but to the eternal.

“NOW faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” (Hebrews 11:1). Faith brings inner-man reality to things. Many verses of Scripture show that God answers prayers. Miracles occur by belief, not by accident.

Here are some interesting reports from 1922 when Smith Wigglesworth visited Melbourne:

[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=321[/url]

[size=18:ec609aa6e3][color=darkblue:ec609aa6e3]NEWS[/color:ec609aa6e3][/size:ec609aa6e3]

Overview of the King James Bible translators’ own beliefs.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/good_hand.pdf[/url]

Overview of the issue KJB issue:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/trumpet.pdf[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:ec609aa6e3][color=darkblue:ec609aa6e3]DIRECTORY[/color:ec609aa6e3][/size:ec609aa6e3]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1331', '997f01f449', 'Concerning enemies of God\'s work', 'I read recently the following from an anti-KJBO person: &quot;I truly believe the numbers of KJVOist are falling because of the internet and the ability to research the facts. Back in the 1970\'s, 1980\'s, and 1990\'s it was a lot harder to get information than it is today in 2009.&quot;

This is typical of those who fight against the pure Bible. The fact is that more information through the internet has increased the knowledge of the pure Word of God and more people than ever are seeing the issue of modern versions undermining God\'s authority. Of course, those who do not love the truth are continually fighting against it. &quot;Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.&quot; (2 Timothy 3:8).

&quot;And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.&quot; (2 Timothy 4:4). One of the greatest fables of today is that modern versions do not represent apostasy and lack of faith. The reality is that God has not introduced the error and confusion we see in modern versions but the devil who comes &quot;for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy&quot; (see John 10:10).

We should pray for those who resist the truth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1332', 'e305475b33', 'God is faithful', 'God’s Word accomplishes His will, and it will not return to Him void (Isaiah 55:11). This means that He is faithful to bring His Word to pass personally in our lives when we hold on to it. If we are faithful to sow the Word into our hearts, and not neglect it, but rather act upon it, God ensures that it produces a good harvest. This can be a harvest of prosperity, wisdom, health, and other blessings promised in the Word. God will change natural circumstances and even perform a miracle if need be to see that His Word comes to pass.  

&quot;For [i:e305475b33]as [/i:e305475b33]the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [i:e305475b33]in the thing [/i:e305475b33]whereto I sent it.&quot; (Isaiah 55:9 - 11).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1333', '96c7ccc664', '', 'Hi Matthew,
I got the Bible today.  It\'s a T.B.S. Bible.
It matches all the reference points except 1 John 5:8.  So close!
I was wondering, why is that supposed to be a small \'s\' spirit anyways?
How do you know for sure?  (forgive my ignorance of the context of this verse but I don\'t even understand what it means)

Thanks,

Alex');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1334', '609162590d', '', 'There are several reasons why 1 John 5:8 should read as &quot;spirit&quot; lower case, I have listed some in no particular order:

1. That there are three persons in verse seven, and three things in verse eight.

2. The use of the word &quot;spirit&quot; is found elsewhere in the KJB, referring to God\'s works in the human spirit, including references to the spirit of God, God pouring out His spirit, and so on.

3. That the lower case use dates from before 1638, and was in the 1769 Edition as well.

What is the meaning? Very simply, as Jesus said that His words were spirit in John 6:63, and 1 John 5:9 talks about the witness of God in the human spirit, it is clear that the spirit in verse 8 means the born again spirit with the knowledge of salvation and a proper conscience.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1335', 'd646763fc6', 'The Protector, 28 June 2009', '[img:d646763fc6]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:d646763fc6]

[color=red:d646763fc6]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:d646763fc6]

WELCOME! [i:d646763fc6]The Protector[/i:d646763fc6] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:d646763fc6][color=darkblue:d646763fc6]EDITORIAL[/color:d646763fc6][/size:d646763fc6]

QUESTIONINGS

Debating the King James Bible only issue with unbelievers can be a great learning experience, but also can get people involved in being tangled with fools, mockers, scoffers and other deceptive men. The Bible warns us:

“He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings” (1Timothy 6:4)

Again, “But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.” (2 Timothy 2:23).

And again, “But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.” (Titus 3:9).

If a person has genuine questions or inquires, that is one thing, but there are others about who “will hunt for the precious life.” (Prov. 6:26b).

As for believers, we are told, “Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.” (Colossians 4:6). How to answer is very important. Sometimes not saying anything is the right answer.

[size=18:d646763fc6][color=darkblue:d646763fc6]NEWS[/color:d646763fc6][/size:d646763fc6]

What the KJB translators really said.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=324[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:d646763fc6][color=darkblue:d646763fc6]DIRECTORY[/color:d646763fc6][/size:d646763fc6]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1336', '5650bf070f', 'Petition?', 'I just had the idea - what if we were to start a petition to get the worldwide KJB publishers to adopt the PCE text?  

Maybe, just maybe, they would consider this to be profitable to them - as many purchase other brands which do - we could even give evidence of it (such as through this site).  When they see that very subtle corrections are being made, the Bible publisher can then use it\'s workmanship quality, design, and study helps, margins, cross-references, large print etc. the deciding factor, and KJBO folks across the globe will gladly purchase their Bibles over other publishers.

When they begin to realize the profit-making potential (let\'s be honest, this is what the majority of Bible publishers are focused on), they will be able to sell more Bibles.  

Now, I know that Amos 8:11 is being fulfilled in these last days, and so it\'s likely we won\'t really see PCE\'s being sold at such a wide-open level, but I just thought it might be worth a try.

What do you guys think?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1337', 'ee537c1203', 'Relationship?', '[quote:ee537c1203]I know that Amos 8:11 is being fulfilled in these last days, and so it\'s likely we won\'t really see PCE\'s being sold at such a wide-open level[/quote:ee537c1203]
I don\'t think there is a relationship between the famine of Amos 8:11 (ie. &quot;of [b:ee537c1203]hearing [/b:ee537c1203]the words of the LORD&quot;) and the widespread dissemination of the King James Bible (and specifically the PCE). In fact, the widespread publishing and preaching of the true Bible seems to be indicated strongly in the following: &quot;And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.&quot; (Matthew 24:14).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1338', 'c8d37fe301', 'FOURTH DRAFT OF &quot;GUIDE TO PCE&quot; BOOK', 'The latest draft (fourth) of “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now freely available for viewing at [url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/Guide_to_the_PCE_draft_0-4.pdf[/url] (4.11MB).

This book aims to give a comprehensive overview of the King James Bible, focusing particularly on the Pure Cambridge Edition. This half complete volume has 520 pages of goodness.

So far, this book goes through several key areas:

1. The history of the Bible all the way to the Pure Cambridge Edition
2. The origin and outworking destiny of the Church in relation to the Scripture
3. The use of the English language and its connection with the Bible and world evangelism

Several important appendices have also been supplied, showing word differences in the King James Bible and between editions, revealing that while no textual or translation change has been made in the Pure Cambridge Edition, that having the right edition is still important when comparing to others, which may contain perpetuated typographical errors, unstandardised language and other anomalies in regard to required regularisation.

New to the fourth draft is the section on the remnant of the Church. This section deals with ecclesiology, the authority of Scripture and doctrine, Church history, the identity of the false Church, the seven churches of Revelation as periods of Church history, Anglo-Protestantism and the prophetic view of the Scripture through Church history including Bible prophecy concerning the King James Bible and their relation to the Pure Cambridge Edition.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1339', '850819f1b0', 'Matthew 23:14 Inspired Scripture or not?', 'Is Matthew 23:14 Inspired Scripture or not?

The Lord Jesus Christ clearly stated “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but MY WORDS shall not pass away.”  This is either a true statement or He was lying to us.

Matthew 23:14 records in full the words of the Lord Jesus Christ that are found no where else in the entire Bible. There are a couple of similar passages (See Mark 12:40; Luke 20:47) but nothing that is exactly like Matthew 23:14 where He says: “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows\' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. “

The evidence for the authenticity of this entire verse is simply overwhelming, and we can even see the stumbling uncertainty of the modern versions by the way they handle this particular verse.

This whole verse has been omitted from many modern versions (but not all of them as we shall soon see) that follow the ever changing Westcott-Hort Critical text theories.   Versions that entirely omit this verse first began with the Darby version in1870.  John Darby basically made up his own peculiar text for the New Testament, following neither the Westcott-Hort revised Greek text, nor the Majority nor the Textus Receptus.  Darby’s was followed by the liberal RSV in 1946 and then by the NRSV 1989, the ESV 2001 and the NIV 1982.

Daniel Wallace’s NET version (an ongoing train wreck) tells us that the verse is “not in the most important manuscripts...it is almost certainly not original... The present translation follows NA27 in omitting the verse number as well, a procedure also followed by a number of other modern translations.”

And what might these “best manuscripts” be?  Well, they are primarily  Siniaticus, Vaticanus and D, all of which wildly differ not only from the Majority of all Greek texts but even from each other.  See my article on “the oldest and the best manuscripts?” here: http://brandplucked.webs.com/oldestandbestmss.htm

Isn’t it odd that by simply skipping from verse 13 to 15  neither the Nestle-Aland 27 people nor some modern versions appear to be able  even count right?  “And now let’s count class ... ten...eleven... twelve... thirteen...fifteen... sixteen...Ooops. Looks like something is missing, Huh?”  Why don’t they just be honest and change the verse numbers? Because in spite of themselves, they are bearing reluctant witness to the fact that God has an absolute Standard for His Bible and it’s not their own watered down, bogus versions. 

Versions such as the Revised Version of 1881, the ASV of 1901 and the NASBs from 1960 to 1995 have the whole verse in [brackets] indicating doubt as to whether this verse is true Scripture or not.  The Holman Standard of 2003 [does the same].  This means that even they did not have complete confidence in their own every changing Critical Greek texts as to whether this verse should be omitted or not.  It’s a real faith destroyer to have versions like the NASB or Holman Standard that [bracket] anywhere from 17 to 45 entire verses in the New Testament alone.  Guess who wants you to ask yourself “Yea, hath God said...?” (Genesis 3:1)

There are some versions that primarily follow the Critical Greek text theories and omit thousands of words from the true New Testament who still leave this verse intact.  This includes Rotherham’s 1902 Emphasized bible and the brand new ISV (International Standard Version) which has gone back to including the entire verse in the text.

The evidence for the inclusion of Matthew 23:14 in the pages of the Holy Scriptures is ancient, massive and widespread.  ALL English Bibles before the 1611 King James Bible included this verse.  These are the Wycliffe Bible of 1395, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Bishops’ Bible of 1568 and the Geneva Bibles from 1557 to 1602, and even the 1582 Catholic Douay-Rheims version, though the more recent Catholic versions like the St. Joseph New American Bible 1969 and the 1985 New Jerusalem have now omitted the verse.   Of course, it is firmly in place in the King James Holy Bible.

It was also in Mace’s N.T. 1729, Wesley’s N.T. 1755, Webster’s 1833, the Douay version 1950, Youngs, and is included in the NKJV 1982, Green’s literal, the 21st Century KJV and the Third Millenium Bible 1998.

Matthew 23:14 is found in the vast Majority of all Greek texts, including many uncial copies like E, F, G, H, K, M, O, S, U, V, W, Y Gamma, Delta, Pi, Sigma and Omega.  It is found in the Old Latin copies b, c, f, ff2, h, 1, r1, 2.  The Old Latin copies bear witness to a N.T. text that existed long before anything we have in the existing Greek copies.  It is included in such ancient Bible translations as the Syriac Peshitta, Curetonian, Harkelian, Palestinian, as well as some Coptic Boharic copies, the Armenian and the Ethiopic versions. The Gothic bible is missing the entire chapter, so it is not much help in determing the text at all.  The Latin Vulgate texts as well as the Catholic versions that come from them are all mixed up.  The 425 A.D. Vulgate omitted  it, but the later Clementine Vulgate included it.

Matthew 23:14 is included in the Modern Greek New Testaments used by the Greek Orthodox churches all over the world today.  It is also found in all these foreign language Bibles: THE MODERN HEBREW N.T., the Arabic Life Application bible 1998, the Africaans Bible, Armenian, Basque, Bulgarian, Chinese bibles, Check, Dutch Staten Vertaling, Danish, Estonian, Finnish, French Louis Segond 1910, Martin 1744 and French Ostervald 1996; the German Luther 1545 and the more modern Elberfelder, the Modern Greek N.T.; the Hungarin Karoli, Quiché Bible 1997, Italian Diodati 1649, the Riveduta 1927 and the New Diodati 1991, Icelandic, Japenese bibles, Latvian, Lithuanian, Manx Gaelic, Norwegian Det Norsk Bibelselskap, Portuguese Almeida, Russian Synodal, Victor Zhuromski and the 2000 Russian Slovo Zhizny bible, the Spanish Reina Valeras from 1909, 1960 and 1995; the Swahili bible, Thai, Tagalog, Turkish, Ukranian and the Vietnamese bibles.

Also to be noted is that the International Bible Society, who puts out the NIV which completely omits Matthew 23:14, is not always consistent when it comes to the foreign language bibles the IBS publishes.  Among the modern foreign langugage versions the IBS publishes that DO contain this verse in their translations are The Arabic Life Application bible 1998, the French La Bible du Semeur 1999, the Italian La Parola e Vita 1997, the Portuguese O Livro 2000, the modern Romanian bible, and the Russian Slovo Zhizny of 2000.

As we enter the early 21st century, the ever growing unbelief in the inspiration, inerrancy and infallibility of any Bible in any language is in full swing.  The King James Bible believers are the only ones who will not budge on this most vital doctrine.  We fully believe that God has indeed preserved His precious and perfect words in “the book of the LORD” (Isaiah 34:16) and that this Book is the Authorized King James Holy Bible - the Standard by which all others are to be measured.

“In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word.”  Psalm 56:10

Will Kinney');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1340', '55e1222109', 'Concerning enemies of God\'s work', '&quot;Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.&quot; (Titus 1:9).

Gainsayers are those who oppose the clear teaching of the Word of God. They will come up with all types of theories to lead people into their camp. However, the people of God have the &quot;faithful word&quot; from God, which is accurate and wonderful. It produces sound doctrine and gives a wisdom that the enemies of God\'s work do not understand. The gainsayers can even be convinced by it and indeed they must be exhorted by it because theirs is a very dangerous position to be in. &quot;For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.&quot; (Luke 21:15).

Thus, we see how important it is for Christians to hold to a faithful word that produces sound doctrine. Through this comes the mouth to speak God\'s Word and the wisdom of God in the heart.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1341', '4d2a57a67f', 'Good.', 'Thanks Will. A bit of research easily shows the King James Bible to always be right.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1342', '21e798b006', 'Plea for the Received Text by Malan', 'PLEA FOR THE RECEIVED TEXT
S. C. MALAN
1869

To hear some people talk, one really would think wisdom and knowledge had come with them into the world; until, whether from conceit on their part or from their “scientific” discoveries, we shall soon have nothing left either of the old world or of our old faith. Once, indeed, even heathens, ... claimed their descent from Heaven — for, said they, ... we are his kin; though Christians now derive it from brutes; while language, which of old was, in theory, said to be ... “outspoken reason,” in token of its divine origin, is now discovered practically to be nothing but the development of the two mighty roots BAU- WAU, which in time overspread the earth. Such profound lore cannot, of course, be gainsaid; but everything, from the creation of the world and of man, to the laws of etymology and the rules of syntax, is now settled accordingly.

No wonder, then, if, under such circumstances, both the Received Cheek Text and the Authorised English Version of the New Testament — monuments of learning of the past — should lately have had a hard life of it. The Greek Text especially; because, being read by comparatively few, any one. who takes into his head “to construct” a text, may try hie hand at it with a certain degree of impunity; so that, as things are at present, we have almost as many texts as there are critics; to the great hindrance and confusion of us all. Perhaps it is that “to construct a text,” after the manner of some men, is on the whole easier than to study and explain the one already existing, which, for the last two or three hundred years, has been ... the provision by the way and trusty guide of thousands on their lifelong journey to heaven.

The handling of the Authorised Version, however, is not so readily done as “the construction” of a Greek text. Written as the English Bible is, in a style especially chaste and vigorous, that blends Saxon manliness with cadence and melody, in greater harmony, perhaps, than any other English book written before or since — it first formed the language of the nation, and then struck root so deep in the affections of those who love truth and know the sterling worth of their mother tongue, that alterations in it, by whomsoever made, will not so soon be borne.

Not that it is perfect. It only is the best of modern versions and inferior to none of the old ones; so that the few blemishes it has, no more hurt ita worth and usefulness, than do the spots on the sun the heat and light thereof; they trouble no one but those who make them an excuse for a change. Yet, let those few blemishes remain rather than accept the ready services of eager Revisers, who, under the pretext of new discoveries — which, after all, amount to very, very little of any real utility — fain would, if they could, introduce a new Bible of their own; that by so doing they might cut asunder one of the few remaining links of fellowship between men of the same nation, who yet are estranged one from another on all points but that of using the same Bible, and thus occasionally listening together to the same words.

It is, no doubt, easy to talk of revising the authorised Version. But, besides that in this case, as in most others, it is best to let well alone, the simple truth is that there are not now in England enough men able either to revise the English Bible without making mere patchwork of it, or to translate afresh and equally well from the originals. Revisers or translators, first, need be masters of Hebrew. But where are nowadays in England the Hebrew scholars of the sixteenth, seventeenth, and eighteenth centuries? Their works then written in Latin enlightened Europe, took the lead in European scholarship, and still are the treasure house of knowledge to which all must come. But who would dream of looking here for aught of the kind, now that silks, lace, and embroidery, begin to take the place of Greek and Hebrew; and that even the veteran scholar who represents Hyde, Pococke, and Lowth, is reduced to write in Roman characters the Hebrew of his learned Commentary, lest haply the sight of “strange alphabets,” as the “Literary Churchman” calls anything but Latin and Greek, should offend the eyes of his readers?

Next, Revisers of the English Bible should be imbued with solid Biblical lore; with a few of the marvellous attainments in learning of some of their ancestors, in days, “when,” to quote even the “Saturday Review,” “England had scholars.” Whereas, are not Biblical criticism and scholarship, confessedly at the lowest ebb at present, in this country, and, so far as they go, not much else than German teaching at second hand? Only compare what now passes for learning and scholarship — the Bible storybook about Abraham, king of Damascus, inventor of monotheism, being tempted of the Devil to offer up his son in sacrifice, &amp;c., prepared by one Dean for the special use of the Clergy, with the kindred works of Selden, Spencer, and Stillingfleet, Marsham, Lardner, and Warburton; or the mighty labours of Walton, Castell, Lightfoot, Mill, and others, on the Old and New Testaments, with the aimless criticisms on the same subject and borrowed learning of another Dean; and then say whether, with all the boasting of today, the scholarship of yore was not more true, though with smaller means; the research deeper and more honest, though with fewer resources; and the lore altogether more solid and better worth having, than what is now offered under the same name?

Then, thirdly, ought Revisers of the Authorised Version to know grammar — “the Dean’s English” will not do — and, assuredly, to have studied, not the English dialect of today, but the English language of old; the peerless tongue of Shakespeare, Hooker, Milton, and of other original sons of the soil.

Since, however, none of these requirements are at present available, let the Old Bible by all means remain as it is. Let the old garment be, which, if a little faded perhaps, after having stood in the light of two centuries and a half, is yet as good and as warm as when fist woven; for the warp of it is as taut, and the woof as tight, the nap as soft and thick as when cut off the weaver’s thrums two hundred and fifty years ago. Let it then abide as it is, rather than pieced with patches of newer weft put on by modern Revisers; lest in the end, the rent be made worse, and all their labour in darning be lost.

But, says the Dean of Canterbury, in one of his late articles on the subject, the English Bible must be revised, in spite of all that is said to the contrary; and the day for it is not far distant. If so, then by whom? Will the Dean himself undertake the Hebrew of the Old Testament, or even the Greek or the English of the New P He must know something about it, and he baa a right to speak; for he has done more to it, as the saying is, than any living Englishman; since he first “constructed” a Greek Text, and then revised  thereon the English version; with what feelings, however, may best be seen from his “New Testament for English Readers;” while he leaves us no doubt of his utter contempt for the Received Text, when saying that —

“Lachmann’s great merit and the real service he rendered to the cause of sacred criticism has been the bold and uncompromising demolition of that unworthy and pedantic reverence for the Received Text, which stood in the way of all chance of discovering the genuine Word of God.”

Such frothy writing says, of course, very little; for, had we then no “genuine Word of God,” until Drs. Alford and Lachmann arose to discover it? Yet is such language offensive enough towards those who, with a reverence neither “pedantic” nor “unworthy,” have all along trusted the Received Text, and loved the English Bible, to justify them in examining Dr. Alford’s qualifications as critic, and in questioning his right to give so rash and so sweeping a judgment. What, if many of his criticisms and his knowledge of Greek and of English grammar proved such as to shake all confidence in him as a guide; while his quotations from the Old Versions lead one to doubt his acquaintance with any of them?

As one, therefore, of the numerous class of Clergy for whom Dr. Alford kindly undertook “to construct” a new Text, and in behalf of them, — of men, who, hard at work in their country parishes, never see a library, and study as best they may, their two mainstays, the Received Text and the Authorised Version —must I venture to make a few remarks on certain points of his teaching, both Greek and English, which are not quite clear to me. They will serve as a sample of what his whole work probably is; and may thus tend to re-assure many who, too busy perhaps, or unable to study the matter for themselves, might, on the Dean’s authority, and, at the sight of, the fearful array of ciphers and symbols of his “digest,” take for granted that the Received Text they trust, and to which they have been accustomed, is utterly worthless; and that the English Bible they love and venerate is not much better. And thus, by losing confidence in both, unsettle their minds and shake their faith. All of which, God, in His mercy, forbid.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1343', 'ea052c477f', 'The Protector, 5 July 2009', '[img:ea052c477f]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:ea052c477f]

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WARFARE

True Christianity is a warfare.

“(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)” (2 Corinthians 10:4).

The Christian Church is not engaged in a natural, physical warfare to take over the earth, but a spiritual warfare against wrong thoughts and ideas,

“Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ” (2 Corinthians 10:5).

Some people have the idea that the Church is supposed to fight against the world today or in the present system in some kind of revolution. This is not the case of Scripture. The Bible does allow for Christians in nations to partake in various militant actions and wars, but this is vastly different to the fighting which the Christian undertakes against the spiritual forces of the devil.

No natural weapons can fight temptation or mental strongholds. They must be countered by the Word of God.

The words of the believer are weapons against evil spirits, and for the progress of the Gospel (and for the edifying of the saints). “Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand” (Ps. 149:6).

Of course, the spiritual actions of Christians has overflowed into works,

“Under the Commonwealth, the State, in its turn, was regarded primarily as an instrument for securing through its political and social influences the moral and religious ends of the Church. The aim of the Puritan had been to set up a visible kingdom of God upon earth. In Puritan theory, Englishmen were ‘the Lord’s people’ ... whose end as a nation was to carry out his will.” (Bobrick, The making of the English Bible, 295).

THE REVISION REVILED

American Samuel Fuller, in his Defence of the Authorized Version, 1885, wrote:

The difference, in this passage of St. Peter, between King James’s Version and the Westminster Revision is not, at first sight, very obvious. To the ear the difference is not readily detected. In I Pet. iii. 18., the Version of King James has this sentence, “quickened by the Spirit.” To the ear the Westminster Revision has merely changed the preposition “by” into the preposition “in”, and to the eye, has done nothing more than reduce the size of the capital letter “S” in the word “Spirit.”

But these apparently insignificant differences create great and fundamental changes in the meaning of the passage.
1. The simple reduction in the size of a single letter changes the Divine Spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ into His human spirit, and banishes His Deity front the inspired declaration of St. Peter! A more startling illustration of the apparent omnipotence of human words cannot be found.
2. The extent of the changes introduced into St. Peter’s language by the substitution of one preposition for another, it is, indeed, hard to measure; the alteration [of the word “Spirit”] includes so many other changes, almost innumerable. ...

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1344', '61c27f2bf1', '', 'perhaps you\'re right.  I see it as relative, however.  KJV\'s are being supressed for sure.  So it might be referring to that.  Then again, Revelation 17 &quot;might&quot; be referring to the Vatican :)
Regardless, I\'d like to hear feedback on the petition idea.  But judging from the lack of response maybe it\'s not worthwhile?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1345', '2e6db590f7', 'God is faithful', 'In due season, there is a reaping of what we\'ve sown in our lives, because God is faithful, and His Laws are immutable. Like the Law of Sowing and Reaping:

&quot;Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.&quot; (Galatians 6:7-9)

This highlights the importance of sowing good things into our lives, things like love, peace, joy, temperance, patience, forgiveness. Sowing to the Spirit brings great benefit, because God gives us a good return. He builds us up in our spirit to conform to the image of Christ as we perform these things.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1346', '24b6410580', 'Petition.', '[quote:24b6410580]Regardless, I\'d like to hear feedback on the petition idea.[/quote:24b6410580]
Although I\'m not against the idea of a petition as such, the present publishers have shown themselves to be in a compromised position. We know that Cambridge Press, for example, has left behind its once-biblical position and, no doubt, others have done the same. Many present-day publishers cannot be properly entrusted with the holy task of publishing God\'s pure Bible without errors. Most of them have no idea about the PCE, much less believe that the KJB is the only true Bible. However, it is now a reality that more and more people across the Earth are being educated about the KJB and specifically the PCE.

What is likely to happen is this: [b:24b6410580]God will raise up people who will publish the PCE exclusively - on the internet, in software, in print etc. [/b:24b6410580]Such enterprises will be blessed and prospered as long as they are not based on the love of money.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1347', '60137f9f92', 'KJV PCE Software', 'I have downloaded the PCE text file and I am attempting to format it for a  ESWORD module.  ESWORD is a widely used Bible software program that is free for all. The url is /www.e-sword.net . when I have the module ready I will make it available (free) to any one who is interested. This will take quite a bit of time.
          Elmo Butler');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1348', '49b4f5bd78', '', 'have downloaded the PCE text file and I am attempting to format it for a ESWORD module. ESWORD is a widely used Bible software program that is free for all. The url is /www.e-sword.net . when I have the module ready I will make it available (free) to any one who is interested. This will take quite a bit of time. 
Elmo Butler');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1349', '45d55b7402', '', 'Someone tried to do it before, but there are some problems with it in formatting, etc. It would be good to have a better one.

[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/KJB-PCE_e-sword.zip[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1350', 'a0c6fbe17b', 'The Protector, 12 July 2009', '[img:a0c6fbe17b]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:a0c6fbe17b]

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[size=18:a0c6fbe17b][color=darkblue:a0c6fbe17b]EDITORIAL[/color:a0c6fbe17b][/size:a0c6fbe17b]

PROBLEMS WITH MAKING NEW BIBLE TRANSLATIONS

Issues and problems with so-called “sound” translation principles as extolled by a Textus Receptus Supporting Bible Society.

Romans 16:26, &quot;But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith&quot;. English is the global language. 

Isaiah 28:11, &quot;For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.&quot; The Gospel would be preached effectively to the Jews in another language. Paul preached in Hebrew in Acts 21:40. It must be a future prophecy for the beginning of the latter day conversion of the Jews. Therefore it cannot be New Testament Greek, even though it was used to convert multitudes in the Early Church.

[quote:a0c6fbe17b]1.     A translation should always be based upon the right source text: For the Hebrew Scriptures, (i.e. the Old Testament) the Masoretic Text (Ben Chayyim, Second Rabbinical Edition, printed by Bomberg) is considered to be the Hebrew Text God has preserved for us. Over 1,000 hand-copied manuscripts of this text are still available today. For the New Testament, the Received Text as edited by Dr. Scrivener in 1894 is considered to be the most reliable. There are over 5,700 manuscripts that exist to support this text.[/quote:a0c6fbe17b]

Bomberg nor Scrivener’s editions cannot be the right sources, for how are we to know that they are right? The King James Bible did not exclusively follow Bomberg, and it was made long before Scrivener’s edition. Moreover, if Bomberg and Scrivener’s work are called the “most reliable”, what actually is perfectly reliable? This is because there are problems with both these “sources”, most importantly, that these sources differ to the King James Bible.

Therefore, the King James Bible must be considered the supreme source, the final form of the received text. As such, it must be greater than both the Bomberg Hebrew and the Scrivener Greek editions. This is plainly the case.

[quote:a0c6fbe17b]2.     Translators should be mature in their walk with the Lord and dedicated to finishing the challenge of translation once they have started.[/quote:a0c6fbe17b]

The real issue is why translate in the first place? If the Word of God must go to all nations, why not get onboard with the trend of widespread English use, rather than waste the resources on translation?

[quote:a0c6fbe17b]3.     Translators should translate and not interpret.[/quote:a0c6fbe17b]

The problem is that today’s translators, even the best learned ones, are vastly inferior to the men of 1611.

[quote:a0c6fbe17b]4.     Every translator should have a healthy, holy fear of adding to, or detracting from the Word of God.[/quote:a0c6fbe17b] 

When compared to the King James Bible, such translations are invariably inferior. They do indeed contain additions and subtractions. Whether these are textual or not. It is a certainty that there will always be translational variations, because of mistakes, misunderstandings, lacks, etc.

This is quite unlike the King James Bible, which we see and know to be perfect and right. Why then force a second rate work on people, when they might come to the knowledge of the holiest?

[quote:a0c6fbe17b]5.     Translators should seek to reproduce the original words that God gave, whether they understand them or not. [/quote:a0c6fbe17b]

The words God gave cannot even be discerned, or known absolutely, unless the King James Bible is held as the paragon. If so, then that automatically disqualifies any other translation from it, because to do so would be to change away from perfection.

[quote:a0c6fbe17b]6.     The translators should be sure that the meaning of every word in the Hebrew and Greek and Aramaic Scriptures find its way into the national translation. [/quote:a0c6fbe17b]

Beside the fact that this “Aramaic” is a word used to falsely describe the language commonly spoken in the New Testament, it is evident that no perfect Hebrew Old Testament exists anywhere extant in the world today, nor perfect Greek New Testament, and that there is no sure and certain method by which they may be obtained. The only recourse we have is to the King James Bible, which is pure, perfect, exact, accurate and correct to the jot and tittle.

[quote:a0c6fbe17b]7.     When words must be added because of the differences in language, this should be indicated by the use of italics. [/quote:a0c6fbe17b]

Italics were used in the King James Bible in two main ways, to supply the implied sense of the originals with English words, and second, to list some words which had minority attestation in the underlying evidence. (The underlying evidence of the King James Bible does not exist as a finite form, in that the translators gathered from many texts, translations and commentators.)

[quote:a0c6fbe17b]8.     Translation efforts should be compared to long-established Received Text translations to verify accuracy in translations. [/quote:a0c6fbe17b]

This is hugely problematic in relation to Divine Providence, because the King James Bible is clearly (and also intentionally on the part of its creators) supersuccessionary to former translations. As for other translations, the King James Bible has been recognised as the best in the world.

[quote:a0c6fbe17b]9.     Rough drafts of a translation should be circulated for the purpose of extensive scrutiny. [/quote:a0c6fbe17b]

This method does not guarantee perfection. The widest scrutiny has already been had in the making and in the receiving of the King James Bible. Therefore, it has truly the “majority attestation” by the wide reception, both tacit and avowed, of so many.

[quote:a0c6fbe17b]10. Translators should be humble enough to support a thorough process of examination and purification. [/quote:a0c6fbe17b]

This and all such potential problems are successfully bypassed by the dissemination of the King James Bible for the world.

[quote:a0c6fbe17b]11. Translators should remember that the grammar of the original languages “trumps”� the grammar of the national language. This may create some “unusual phrasing”� but it preserves accuracy.[/quote:a0c6fbe17b]

Since the King James Bible is not being used as the sole authority, it is clear that whatever results is not the best. It actually is a waste of money.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1351', '9232972df5', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'How can there be unity when the various modernist versions put into the mouth of Christ words He did not say?

For example, the &quot;Surfers Bible&quot; says for Mark 7:6 &quot;You are nothing but show-offs!&quot; This is in stark contrast to the true reading in the King James Bible, which says, &quot;Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites&quot; (Mark 7:6a). A &quot;show-off&quot; is very different from a hypocrite! Christ did not say &quot;show-off&quot; but He did say &quot;hypocrite&quot;. There can be no unity if people say these readings are the same or that &quot;all bibles have the same message&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1352', 'f331880b2e', 'What is faith?', '“So Jesus came again into Cana of Galilee, where he made the water wine. And there was a certain nobleman, whose son was sick at Capernaum. When he heard that Jesus was come out of Judæa into Galilee, he went unto him, and besought him that he would come down, and heal his son: for he was at the point of death. Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe. The nobleman saith unto him, Sir, come down ere my child die. Jesus saith unto him, Go thy way; thy son liveth. And the man believed the word that Jesus had spoken unto him, and he went his way. And as he was now going down, his servants met him, and told [i:f331880b2e]him[/i:f331880b2e], saying, Thy son liveth.” (John 4:46-51)

My sister, who was studying this Scripture earlier today, pointed out a very significant fact regarding faith. Faith can’t be based on signs and wonders, because there is no substance in these things. The substance of faith (Hebrews 11:1) only comes from the Word of God. That’s why the nobleman could go his way with assurance of a good outcome - because he based his action on belief in Christ’s Word. Taking the Word into our hearts produces faith, which then impacts upon ourselves and the situation around us, just like it did with this nobleman.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1353', '566b90f42c', 'Would this be the PCE?', '# ISBN: 0521007429
# ISBN-13: 9780521007429
# Format: Hardcover, 990pp
# Publisher: Cambridge University Press
# Pub. Date: August 2006');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1354', '3e21a28d23', '', 'The Pitt Minion Bibles from Cambridge were PCEs. Some PCE copies have survived for sale to recent times. However, it may be that in the reissuing of these in recent years, they have taken the opportunity to alter a few places, such as Acts 11:12 and 1 John 5:8. I have several copies of Pitt Minions which are from the 1950s and 1960s, and they are PCE. However, none have the words of Christ in red, as the recently printed issuances have.

Pitt Minions use the bold figure reference system, which means that there are no paragraph marks or annotation marks in the text, but that everything is listed in the centre-column after the verse number.

As far as typeface and the system of references, I think the Cameo is better than the Pitt Minion. The Pitt Minion is a cleaner format, more compact style, which means that the actual Bible is slimmer.');
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PROBLEMS WITH MAKING THE ORIGINALS A GREATER AUTHORITY

Recently, some who claim to support the King James Bible have recounted their doctrine as follows:

1. That only the original autographs were inspired.

This is correct, but we cannot imply that the nature of inspiration was lost from copies, or that God’s Word is not present in English.

“But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith” (Romans 16:26 

2. There are several differences between what was printed in 1769, and the KJB today.

This is a fact, but we must understand this in line with the seven purifications of the King James Bible editions. This does not counter the doctrine that the inspired words have been presented in English.

“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.” (Psalm 12:6).

3. There are some more words in the King James Bible than what was present in 1611.

This cannot be used to argue that the Bible is in a state of flux, or that the Bible is not retaining the power of inspired words. The reality is that because of printing errors, the need for standardisation of the language, and the requirement of other regularisations, there are some differences in the presentation now, but these are not differences in the actual text and translation of the King James Bible, they are differences between the first printed edition and the present.

4. There are italic words, indicating words added in English to complete the sense, or words not found in all historical attestation.

The completion of the sense cannot be used to argue that the English is different to the inspired original, or that the English is different to the original, because that the perfect sense is given in English. Moreover, the fact that the inspired words are not found in all copies in the original languages is easily able to be used to explain why some phrases are portrayed in italics in the King James Bible, though they be the very words of Scripture.

5. The margins give other senses.

It is false to say that the margins contain renderings which are equal or alternate to the main rendering. It is true that the marginal renderings may be somewhat probable, but what is given as the main text is always more and most probable, and is correct.

6. The translation of the Scripture into other languages.

While the Scripture has rightly been translated into other languages from the originals historically, as may be said about our King James Bible, it would be imprudent to argue that foreign translations today should be made from the originals, when the King James Bible gives in a gathered form the exact text and sense of the Scripture, which cannot be found in any single extant copy of the originals. This is besides arguments in favour of having people learn English to get the King James Bible rather than emphasising new foreign translations.

“Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matthew 28:20).

The very commandments of Jesus must be taught to the nations. Where a translation is sufficently doing so, it has been commendable, but the observance of all things requires all the words and all the sense. Thus, for the entering into the full counsel of God, it is best for people of all nations to come, in time, to use the King James Bible.

7. False standards versus the true.

a. No translation is inspired, but there are no copies of the originals today which match exactly what was inspired. It is not unbiblical to claim that the King James Bible presents the inspired Scripture. Edward Hills said the KJB was an independent variety of the Textus Receptus. It is, in fact, the final form of the Received Text.

b. The “authenticity” of the King James Bible is not merely measured in regards to its faithfulness to the present knowledge of the original languages. In fact, the authenticity of the KJB is seen and understood by observing its internal characteristics, that it fully validates itself as no other translation does, and by its external characteristics, that is, the providences surrounding its origin and history.

c. The English does not contain things which darken the sense, nor are their nuances of the originals which are “absent” from the King James Bible. This may be studied out on several grounds, such as, in the right dividing of words, such as the various meanings of one word (e.g. “wine”), on the distinctions between similar, yet differing words (e.g. glistering versus glittering, vail versus veil), on the peculiar designs in the English, such as alliterations, word play (e.g. “morrow” in Zephaniah 3:3, the use of “well” at John 14:17) and King Jamesque readings, (e.g. “God will provide himself” at Genesis 22:8).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1356', 'bd92c9e3b0', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'The readings of modern versions put falsehoods into people’s minds. One example from the “Surfers Bible” is its reading of Romans 6:22 where it says, “Now you have been set free from sin, and you are God’s slaves.”

The true reading from the King James Bible says, “But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God” (Romans 6:22a).

[b:bd92c9e3b0]The word “servants” is totally different from “slaves”.[/b:bd92c9e3b0] When a person is born again, they become a part of the family of God as a child of God. Children have rights and heirship, something that slaves clearly do not have. “And if ye be Christ\'s, then are ye Abraham\'s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Galatians 3:29). “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.” (Romans 8:16,17). The children of God have the right to call God their Father, to pray to Him, to use the name of Christ, to witness for the Kingdom of God, to ask for forgiveness of sin and cleansing from unrighteousness and much, much more. Slaves have none of this.

Since truth and error cannot be partners, then those who use the King James Bible cannot be unified with those who claim the modern versions are correct. “Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?” (James 3:11).

I spoke with an atheist once who claimed that the Bible said that the Israelites had slaves. I said that the true Bible used the word “servant”, not “slave” with respect to the Israelites. The modern versions play into the hands of atheistic nonsense.

Note the following as an example:
“And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.” (Exodus 21:20, KJB).
“If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished” (Exodus 21:20, NIV).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1357', 'e0f26485e0', 'God is faithful', 'God’s faithfulness can be appreciated along with His mercy and kindness. He gives people opportunities to the make the right choices, and is gracious if someone is sincerely sorry for making a mistake. He is the kindest Being in existence. When you understand how gracious and loving He is, and how much He wants to help us, it builds up faith.

“…thou [i:e0f26485e0]art [/i:e0f26485e0]a God ready to pardon, gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness…” (Nehemiah 9:17b)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1358', '4736f5cba9', 'Bob Marshall\'s Session at Schaap\'s KJB Summit', 'SOME ISSUES WITH DR BOB MARSHALL’S 
THIRD SESSION OF THE HAC KJB SUMMIT JULY 2009

1. Marshall said, in his opening remarks, “It seems logical to me that if God is going to get the Word that brings salvation to everybody, then it has to be in a host of languages that are quite innumerable”. “Sometimes we elevate the English language as though it is the premier container [language] to take the Word of God to this world, no, it ought to be in hundreds and thousands of witnesses all across the world, and all across the globe.”

The more logical position is to see that, in time, God is providentially raising up one global language, and has one principal and exemplar Bible, the King James Bible, made common and standard for all the world. This would mean not explicitly emphasising other translations, which do, on examination, differ to the King James Bible.

This may be seen by a variety of verses, such as,

“So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.” (Isaiah 59:19).

“All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign on the mountains; and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye.” (Isaiah 18:3).

“For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.” (Isaiah 28:11).

“For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.” (Zephaniah 3:9).

“Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.” (Isaiah 34:16).

2. “Those 227 years [from Wycliffe to the King James Bible] were filled with translating and editing and revising and perfecting and polishing the English text”.

Since there is no direct lineage between the translation of Wycliffe, and the beginning of the seven major Protestant English translations starting from Tyndale, it is much better argued, and consistent with the translators’ own words, as well as the facts concerning the direct history of the King James Bible, that there is an accord between the historical fact of seven major Protestant English translations and the prophecy in Psalm twelve concerning the seven times of purification. This therefore excludes Wycliffe’s Version, and shortens the particular timescale involved.

3. The King James Bible was considered was a revision of former Protestant English translations, as the translators themselves stated, “but let us rather bless God from the ground of our heart for working this religious care in him to have the translations of the Bible maturely considered of and examined. For by this means it cometh to pass, that whatsoever is sound already, (and all is sound for substance in one or other of our editions, and the worst of ours far better than their authentick Vulgar) the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished; also, if any thing be halting, or superfluous, or not so agreeable to the original, the same may be corrected, and the truth set in place.” And, “No cause therefore why the word translated should be denied to be the word, or forbidden to be current, notwithstanding that some imperfections and blemishes may be noted in the setting forth of it.” 

Marshall states that the translations had error in them, and then asks, “If you consider each of the predecessors to the KJ Bible — Tyndale, Coverdale, Geneva, Matthew’s, Great ... or the Bishops’ Bible — as ‘inspired’, preserved English words of God, then why would they need to be changed or updated, edited and corrected by many revisions and editions, yet they were considered the word of God?”

This is the exact question which someone who holds exclusively to the King James Bible should be able to answer:

i. The Word of God was sufficiently given in the various texts of the six major Protestant English Bibles,
ii. The Word of God was sufficiently translated, that is, sufficient of the true sense was given in English,
iii. The text was, overall, refined or purified generally successively,
iv. The translation was, overall, refined or purified generally successively,
v. Any and all editions of these versions had presentation issues,
vi. The King James Bible was the culmination of the purification of the text, translation, taken from a holistic view of these former works, and supersuccessionary, and
vi. The King James Bible, when first printed, presented the final text and translation of the Word of God in English, set forth for all the world, despite the presentational issues in the English in the first printing of 1611.

Clearly, another issue is here. Inspiration is a one off process that occurred in the initial writing of the Scripture. The inspired words were then retained by God’s providential preservation. Thus, any time men of God, in the providential continuum, translated, they were handling the inspired words.

The point is that the King James Bible men are unique as translators — they were not inspired — but they were the vessels of God’s preservation to be able to gather correctly the entire text of Scripture perfectly, that is, to form the exact version of the entire Bible, which matches word for word what was inspired in 66 books (i.e. piecemeal). And, the same men were able to render properly, sense for sense, for the first and only time ever in history, by virtue of a translation no less, sense for sense, the exact meaning of the words that were first written in the Autographs, giving them in one Bible which would be in a language which would become global. Thus, the King James Bible translators were not inspired. They were not making an inspired translation. They were, in fact, re-amassing exactly into one exemplar and standard form what would be the supersuccessionary singular Bible for all the world in the latter days. (The inspired words came via copies, and appear in the KJB.)

The KJB men were able to get it right simply because in God’s plan they were the right people at the right time in the right place with the right materials who were able to collectively judge rightly what actually is the Word of God. We have the same Bible today as was first printed in 1611, that is, the same text and translation.

Thus, not only can we say that the inspired Scripture was sufficiently present in the King James Bible, which has been enough to call any proper and normal copy or translation of the Scripture “the Word of God”, but that it has the very words of God exactly, thus, is the inspired Scripture exactly, fully, utterly and totally.

4. Marshall claims, “the translators ... weren’t flawless and didn’t consider themselves above revision”.

The word “revision” has two meanings. Either it could mean revision of text and translation, or revision in regards to the English presentation. It is a fact that there is no explicit reference by the translators which regards the King James Bible as “flawed”, nor that they allow in any way, revision of the text and translation.

In fact, the revisionary work that has taken place in regards to the King James Bible, whether by the translators themselves, or other learned editors, never really amounts to a change in the underlying text and translation, and on the few very minor occasions where there appears to be a difference which may also be observed in variations in the underlying original language editions, it is quite easy and simple to argue at least most of the times that such a variation is due to a printing mistake in the first edition.

5. Marshall claims, “They did not think they were creating a new ‘final authority’ in English to replace the Greek and Hebrew from which all translation should conform.”

There are several points here.

A. The translators did see the King James Bible as final.

They write, “that out of the Original Sacred Tongues, together with comparing of the labours, both in our own, and other foreign Languages, of many worthy men who went before us, there should be one more exact Translation of the holy Scriptures into the English Tongue”.

They must have viewed their work ass one more, implying last, and exact, meaning that nothing further can be done. The phrase “one more exact translation” must mean finality in both execution of making of Bibles, and finality in the exactness of the message communicated in English.

This led them to state, “And now at last, by the mercy of God, and the continuance of our labours, it being brought unto such a conclusion, as that we have great hopes that the Church of England shall reap good fruit thereby”.

The good fruit would not be reaped from Hebrew and Greek learning, but from the knowledge of God’s Word in English.

B. There is no final authority in the Hebrew and in the Greek.

There is not one extant copy of the Hebrew OT, nor Greek NT which matches what was first inspired. Moreover, every edition of the Textus Receptus differs to every other one. Thus, there is no final perfect standard exemplar copy of the Scripture in Greek, or in Hebrew today.

However, there is one in English. “Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read” (Isaiah 34:16a).

The King James Bible is supersuccessionary to the Hebrew and Greek.

[b:4736f5cba9]Isa 28:19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report. 
Isa 28:20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it. 
Isa 28:21 For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.[/b:4736f5cba9]

C. The King James Bible, while not explicitly seen to be supersuccessionary to all translations, was not prohibited, or excluded from being so, in line with God’s providence.

6. Marshall claims that the KJB translators “considered the Hebrew of the OT and the Greek of the NT to be the Final Authority”.

In fact, they considered received Scripture, and therefore what was preserved of what was inspired, to be final authority, and went beyond the confines of what could be seen in Hebrew and Greek, also considering other versions, commentaries, testimonies, translations, etc. This is because the Scripture RECEIVED was Scripture indeed, nor merely a narrow dereference to the words of Hebrew and Greek only.

True translation is to bring the fulness of what was there in those original languages into the final form, English, so that the English-speaker may confidently rely upon the Word of God in English without ever having to reference those former tongues again. This is because God was able to, by His Providence, supply the full Word in English, and is not so weak that He is shackled to the original languages yet, nor that we should only find full confidence if we come to understand the original tongues. This would manifestly be a blight against the very principles of the Reformation, that is, to have God’s very Word in the common tongue, furthermore having, in the Restitution of the Church in the latter days, God’s Word in English for all, unto all, and one.

7. Marshall claims that the marginal references contain “alternate renderings” and “suggestions” which he interprets to “suggest that they as translators were not the final authority”.

The problem here is that the margins are not alternate, nor equal, nor do they indicate the actual uncertain state of the Scripture as presented in the King James Bible. This can be clearly seen on two lines:

First, that the translators chose which rendering to put in the main text, and what else to put in the margin, delineating clearly between their collective judgment as to what was Scripture, and what was not as fit.

Second, that since that time, the tacit and avowed acceptance of millions of Christians and scholars has been vastly in favour of the translators’ decisions both in general, and if taken on a case by case examination, that what stands as the main reading is the true, and what stands in the margin is simply not the best, rightest or most agreeable.

8. Marshall states, “It is obvious that the men who made up the Hampton Court” — actually, that was a location, and a conference held there years before in regards to Puritanism, so it should say, “translation committees” — “as well as previous editors and translators, felt that the doctrine of preservation was not an event but a constant journey pursuing a complete container (English language) for the words of God.”

While preservation and received tradition are ongoing, the making of the English Bible is finite. Psalm twelve expressly states “seven times”. This is a finite process with a fixed result.

There were seven major English Protestant Bibles. There cannot be any more.

Likewise, the purification of the King James Bible was limited; limited both in scope and in application. The correcting of typographical errors, or the standardising of English was a finite process which resulted in a particular conclusion.

There is no ongoing evolution of the English Bible.

To suggest such is to be dangerously close to the modernist side of the Bible Version issue.

If the English Bible is subject to some sort of evolution of the English langauge, then God is weak, natural forces are in control and error is rampent.

If the English Bible is subject to the originals, the problem is that the originals are actually in a state of flux, because the actual form of them is unknown and subject to endless controversy. There is no real authority anywhere today which can change the King James Bible, not even to alter one jot or one tittle in our present edition.

9. “Or, did He give us a firm foundation of inerrant and infallible words in the original languages and say, ‘Here, take these, and get it into every language’?”

This implies that the Scripture is not inerrant nor infallible in the King James Bible, and that one of the varying copies and editions in the original languages is the standard form of the Scripture. The problem is that no such copy in the originals is identified today as the final authority.

10. Marshall argues that the printers made mistakes, and implies on that basis that the translators of 1611 must have made mistakes. (Marshall certainly does not state that the translators got it 100% right.)

While the 1604–1611 translators were not inspired, and that the King James Bible was not made by inspiration, it is true that it is inerrant and infallible. This is because the words are inerrant and infallible. The translators were merely men, yet it was such, that by God’s providence, they were able to get the text and translation right, as a seemingly natural process, as an outworking of God’s providential preservation, not as a new “supernatural” inspiration.

11. Marshall quotes the unbeliever Scrivener on the editions of the King James Bible, as though God’s providence has failed to keep the King James Bible through its history, so that “oversight and negligence” are manifest, and that the King James Bible in its subsequent history from 1611 was merely the work of men, exhibiting numerous errors, “from which no work of man can be entirely free”.

This is an entirely false and unbelieving view of the history of the King James Bible, because if God had managed to preserve Scripture to 1611, and give His Word in English by then, surely He would have preserved it since!

In reality, the proper line of editions of the KJB have served as the method by which God, in His Providence, has worked to free the presentation of KJB editions from errors and impurities.

12. Marshall discusses translational variations while discussing typographical errors in the King James Bible.

These are two entirely separate issues. A mistake in printing does not mean that the translators of 1611 were also subject to mistakes in their collective judgment.

13. Marshall speaks of the adherence to the standard, the Hebrew and the Greek, in regards to looking at editions of the KJB.

It is evident that when an editor worked on the King James Bible, that he did not regard the Hebrew and Greek as the final authority, but viewed the received tradition, compared various major editions, regarded the first printed edition, perhaps the translators’ master if it were available, but there is no explicit mention or evidence that the original languages were looked to in this regard, except for the work on the italics and margins.

14. Marshall claims that errors of the press began to accumulate in Barker’s early editions.

In reality, even under Barker, corrections were continually being made, both in disregarding errors which crept into particular editions, and also general work which improved upon what was printed in 1611, though with other errors being made in the new editions. These errors were disregarded in further editions. Thus, the King James Bible was not in a hopeless case from 1611 to 1629, even though Barker made mistakes.

15. Marshall claims that two translators were involved in the 1629 Cambridge Edition.

In fact, it is unknown who the editors of the 1629 Cambridge Edition were.

16. Marshall, in obviously following David Norton’s material, claims that “shamefacedness” is different to “shamefastness” at 1 Timothy 2:9. He then says that he does not think that “shamefacedness” is right.

In reality, they are two spellings of the same word. This can be shown from Johnson\'s Dictionary, which gives &quot;shamefacedness&quot;, even when quoting  sources (e.g. Shakespeare) which spelt &quot;shamefastness&quot;. The modern distinguishing of meanings cannot be applied unhistorically to the King James Bible.

Marshall actually corrects the King James Bible by willingly rejecting the received tradition.

17. Marshall says, “If you have a Bible that is inerrant, if your English translation is inerrant, that means there was no pressmen ever to misspell a word”.

This is a false leap of logic. Inerrancy of the Scripture, along with inerrancy of the text and translation in English, is entirely different from having a scrupulously correct printing of the Bible.

In reality, through the process of purification, it has been possible to arrive at a knowledge of a certain and finite English text-form of the King James Bible which is free from press errors.

Arriving at a printed text free from typographical errors has first required arriving at the final and pure edition of the King James Bible. The Pure Cambridge Edition.

Therefore, a translation can be error-free because printing errors are not translation errors, and in the case of the King James Bible, we now have the King James Bible free from press errors. Moreover, the same translation is apparent throughout all editions, the present final one being the same as the first one of 1611.

18. He says, “You cannot say a translation is error-free as long as you inject human instrumentality into the production of it.”

This is entirely false. The King James Bible was a correct translation, despite the printers making mistakes.

It is false to imply that printing errors necessitates that the translators also made errors.

It is false to imply that the translation cannot be known because of typographical presentational issues, or to imply that a translation is marred (irreparably) by printers’ errors.

Translation (the work of the 1604-1611 men) and the printing (the work of printers) are two separate things. The press has not had the power to destroy or stop the work of the translators.

If the press did wrongly, or if editors persist with something wrong, it does potentially cause there to be an impediment. However, God has worked to ensure that no impediment actually can justly stand.

Consider the case of the word “Spirit” in Matthew 4:1. The issue with an impure edition of the King James Bible has not been enough to stop the reality that “Spirit” is both meant by the translators, and is the proper form today (Cambridge). In other words, no matter what, in time, God manifested providentially through the providential preservation by editors that the correct presentation of the King James Bible would be made manifest.

While such variations do not, in their historical context, actually mar the meaning of the Scripture, there is obviously a problem where in the present time people argue for the impure, or depart from purity, which requires the rejecting of the received tradition, and departing from what has the signal providences concerning its legitimacy.

19. Marshall says he disagrees with the statement that “the current edition of the King James Version is, as far as the text is concerned, IDENTICAL to the intended original edition.”

Since the King James Bible has not undergone changes in the underlying version text and translation, then what was intended in 1611 is clearly the same today, regardless of typographical errors in the first printing of 1611, the standardisation of the English language, and other editorial regularisation.

Thus, we do have an identical text and translation. The differences in presentation, of course, mean that our presentation is not identical. But we cannot confuse the work of the translators with the issues of presentation (even though the translators themselves probably spelt words as differently as the 1611 men did.)

20. Marshall claims that if we reject the originals, then we have no standard to judge future editions of the King James Bible.

The truth is that God has supplied a standard edition of the King James Bible, by which all other editions may be judged. While it has not been wrong for people to check the correctness of the King James Bible to the original languages, there is no need to continue that trend, on the grounds that there is no final exemplar copy or known extant standard in the originals of either Testament, and that there has been so much vindication of the King James Bible, that it is no longer needful to be on such ground. Moreover, the making of proper revised editions of the King James Bible has long ago come to its conclusion, that is, fulfilling a sevenfold timescale according to Psalm 12, so that we have our final standard edition in our hands. There is no particular need to defer to the originals, or to present understanding of the originals, in regards to our trust and certainty in the Scripture, to the power of Scripture to save, and to any other work of Scripture in the coming hours, for that the Word of God is being made manifest to the world in a supersuccessionary form means the laying aside of former things.

Just as when Enoch was translated, so that nothing of Enoch was left behind, so we can see the Word of God translated, as we have it in our final worldwide Bible, does not in any way direct us to look back to the originals from whence it formerly abode. It is not beyond the seas or in the depths, nor hidden away, but manifestly in English that we might see it, hear it and believe it.

Closing remarks. Marshall does correctly show that there are indeed revisions of the King James Bible, but grossly understates the numbers, there are something like 4000 apparent word differences between 1611 and the present time. None of these differences constitutes a real change in the KJB.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1359', '71369264ca', '', 'In the fourth session, a visibly nervous Ken Schaap, tries to explain that the differences in editions of the King James Bible are “translation changes”, and that changes are the results of “retranslations”. He makes many mistakes, both in his manner and in the facts which he gives, indicating that he is not confident on the topic, and bewraying the fact that he does not really know what he is speaking about.

He makes some astonishing false statements, based on his ignorance, such as, “Therefore, what the translators did in 1611 was not complete, because it was missing 47 words”. In reality, the version text and translation were complete, and the translators cannot be charged with producing an inferior work. He makes the erroneous assumption that what is printed in 1611 must be the translators’ intended work as far as every last detail of the presentation. But since it is clear that the translators did not intend nor were the authors of the printing errors, already it can be pointed out that the translators cannot be summarily be blamed for doing an incomplete work.

He argues: 1. Words were added later. 2. Therefore the 1611 translators’ work was incomplete. 3. Therefore the translators were not inspired. This is entirely an incorrect line of reasoning. The reality is that the translators were not inspired, but that has nothing to do with the purification of the presentation in later editions. The truth is that the translators got the text and translation right, and that the kind of work that was required in the King James Bible was in regards to the accurate printing, standardised language and regularised presentation (e.g. italics and other consistencies). In short, presentation issues cannot be used to accuse the translators of making a wrong translation! This is because it is possible to argue that a right translation was made, without any requirement for “inspiration” to ensure it. Moreover, if the translation was right, there is no need anymore to uphold the original languages as an authority, whereas if we do not yet have or know whether or not we have the Word of God exactly in English, then (just as the modern versionists) we must be dependant on the error-based claims of those who emphasise the original languages.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1360', '2055834a2c', '', 'If we look at those who use the KJB exclusively, and then break it down into categories, it is clear that the position taught at the KJB Summit was Textus Receptus Only (TRO), rather than an English Bible Only view.

At the summit, some key differences between their view and a sound KJBO view are as follows:

1. Deemphasising the inspired nature of the King James Bible, deemphasising its inerrancy and infallibility, deemphasising its textual (versional) perfection and expressly disavowing its translational accuracy, as though it does not completely, utterly, totally and wholly contain in English what was 100% there in the inspired original autographs.

2. The upholding of the “original languages” as final authority, despite failing to identify what exactly the actual form of this text should be.

3. The concerted desire and efforts for continuing translations into other languages, deemphasising the providentially chosen status of the English language and the King James Bible, making the King James Bible no better than any other Bible. This is because there is a failure to see the supersuccession of the King James Bible, not only as an independent variety of the Received Text, but that it is the final form of the Received Text for the whole world.

4. Regarding changes in the presentation of the King James Bible in varying editions as if they are translational differences, and indicating that the King James Bible has been changed by consultation to the originals (while saying that such changes are not doctrinal), and incorrectly defining or understanding the full nature of the changes, by mistakenly applying some 1611 edition renderings as translator errors, and failing to recognise that the version text and translation has not actually changed.

5. Stating that the margins are alternate to the main text, or that they are continuing uncertainties or that they indicate that the translators were of doubtful collective judgment, even though they clearly differentiate between margin and text.

6. Misusing, misunderstanding and taking wrong sources of information, in regards to the correctness of the translators in their work, in regards to the correctness of the editors overall in their work, and in regards to the power of the superintendence of God in history, divorcing from God the power to work providentially as to mature, complete and perfect works, such as the advent of the exact Word of God in English, and mistakenly regarding that perfection or fullness can only result from direct supernatural interference, when God’s work is pervasive in time and space, and that God achieves His ends even by free-willed submitted men.

7. A lack of appreciation of the nature of purification, that the purifying of the English Bibles from Tyndale to the KJB was a finite process (i.e. seven times according to Psalm 12), just as the work in editions is not merely haphazard, but likewise a finite purification process.

Correct points made, which refute some more extreme views:

1. The historical pre-Christian existence of the LXX.

2. The reality that the King James Bible translators were not inspired.

3. The reality of revisions in the King James Bible.

4. The reality of differences between the 1769 Edition and present ones.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1361', '4499f1ac52', 'Providence.', 'Good summary and refutation, Matthew.

Bob Marshall says, &quot;Sometimes we elevate the English language&quot;.

The reality is that [b:4499f1ac52]we[/b:4499f1ac52] did not elevate the English language but God in the fulness of times providentially raised it. If this were not the case, then the final received text (ie. the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible) would not exist in its present form in English. Who designed for this to happen? Certainly not man!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1362', '59fb414d34', 'The Protector, 26 July 2009', '[img:59fb414d34]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:59fb414d34]

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POPULAR “CHRISTIAN” SHOW-OFFS

There are many who are well meaning, who seek to give advice and counsel, and who have the appearance of morality.

Yet, if they are not Biblically minded, their thoughts, words and lives are vain.

There are plenty of people who profess to have some sort “Christianity”, but in reality, they are no different from the world.

A man can go to church in front of the media, and yet fail on all kinds of grounds when it comes to really believing and really obeying the Scripture. “Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.” (Luke 6:26).

The Scripture is clear about the way Christians should approach the world. “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.” (1John 2:15).

Pride and deception are major problems. Much “religion” today is actually pride and deception.

“The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?” (Jeremiah 5:31).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1363', 'cb5615e006', 'God is faithful', '&quot;Blessed [i:cb5615e006]be [/i:cb5615e006]the LORD, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant. The LORD our God be with us, as he was with our fathers: let him not leave us, nor forsake us...&quot; (1 Kings 8:56, 57)

God is very faithful, as this Scripture shows. His Word will never fail. What will impede the work of God however, is a failure to properly receive from Him. This is because God works in our lives in line with our faith. If faith is not present, then the work of God is hindered. That\'s why the Bible emphasises the necessity of walking and living by faith.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1364', '7e2656213f', '', 'Thank you for such clarification.  Many mud-slingers like to create strawmen in their attempts to discredit those in the KJBO movement.  We can easily show them to be mistaken.  I simply point out the fact that anyone denying the infallibility and preservation of the KJBO holds to an &quot;extinct Bible&quot; position.  Therefore, they have no final authority, only the authority of the so-called scholars on which &quot;version&quot; is the most correct rendering of the texts that we have today.  Suggesting that we can know what the originals said by combining all the currently available manuscripts is full of holes.  Only by holding to a &quot;divine preservation&quot; of the scriptures will result in any confidence that we hold the PURE word of God in our hands today.  It is also inconsistent with modern version\'s use of the minority manuscripts when the majority clearly is at odds with such old (seldom used), doctrinally flawed MS.

Blessings in Christ,

Alex');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1365', 'f447551c9c', '', 'I don\'t know if a petition would necessarily be a good thing.  
I imagine that our detractors would use such a petition as ammunition in their attempts to show we have doubts about God\'s Word.  Obviously, we don\'t.  However, they always like to take advantage of the knowledge-lacking Laodicean Christians today who don\'t know anything about the doctrine of Scriptural Infallibility.  
Without question, our attempts to get the Publishers to fix their &quot;mistakes&quot; would probably result in more condemnation by the anti-KJBOists.  They would again accuse us of overzealousness (viewed as a bad thing by modernists) and intolerance.  That\'s why I don\'t even mention the PCE to most Christians because just trying to get them to see the KJB as the pure Word of God is tough enough... they always put their blinders on, and ignore all the overwhelming evidence.  Sigh.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1366', 'e3f9a79d8b', 'Don\'t despair.', 'It is important not to despair but to have a faith position, which means that we believe God is indeed at work.

The gainsayers can be convinced. Notice what we are to do: &quot;Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.&quot; (Titus 1:9).

God can and does use us as we are open to His direction. &quot;For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.&quot; (Luke 21:15).

Most who use modern versions are under a dark spiritual cloud of ignorance. They need deliverance but it\'s not through our power that this can happen. We can let God\'s light shine from us and the darkness is challenged. &quot;While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light.&quot; (John 12:36a).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1367', 'd90ce74459', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'Unity of the brethren comes as they partake of the spiritual food of the Word of God. If &quot;bibles&quot; are tainted, then this will definitely affect both faith and unity. &quot;But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.&quot; (Matthew 4:4).

The following is a study I did on &quot;Faith from the Word of God&quot;. It is easy to see how unity comes from a strong reliance on what God has said, which means that what He has said is not wrong. Only having a completely reliable Bible is the answer. The King James Bible has been placed in the believer\'s hands by God.

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Faith from the Word of God.

1. What does God want the believer to do?

Faith comes from the Word of God.

Rom. 10:8,14-17 “how shall they hear without a preacher?”

Rom. 1:16,17 “The just shall live by faith”

Heb. 10:38	 “Now the just shall live by faith”

Eph. 4:15 “may grow up into him in all things”

2 Thess. 1:3 “your faith groweth exceedingly”

1 Pet. 2:2 “desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby”

John 15:1-8 “the same bringeth forth much fruit”');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1368', 'cf53b6ee6c', 'Video clip on 1604-1611 England', 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXVo4c1vCSo');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1369', '20cff4cbf3', 'The Protector, 2 August 2009', '[img:20cff4cbf3]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:20cff4cbf3]

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[size=18:20cff4cbf3][color=darkblue:20cff4cbf3]EDITORIAL[/color:20cff4cbf3][/size:20cff4cbf3]

MOVING AWAY FROM PENTECOST

Kenneth Hagin, in his excellent book, [i:20cff4cbf3]Plans, Purposes and Pursuits[/i:20cff4cbf3] details a prophetic message: “Some of the old-time Pentecostals knew something about that deeper move of the Spirit. The modern-day Pentecostals — this new generation of Charismatics [in the 1980s] — know little or nothing about it. Charismatics know little or nothing about the move of My Spirit. Charismatics know a little about praising Me, but they know nothing at all about true worship.” And, “There’s been a lightness in Charismatic services; a \'hip-hip-hooray\' type of atmosphere.” (pages 109, 110).

The laxness of the Charismatics has permeated many modern Pentecostalists, so that compromise with the world, Romanism and feeling-based religion is evident on every line. Even their new versions of the Scripture read worse than the tabloids.

Jeremiah 23 has some wonderful instruction. “WOE be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.” (Jeremiah 23:1). Blame must be put on false doctrines coming in through wrong leaders, who act more like wolves.

“Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith. Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.” (Jeremiah 23:30–32).

False visions and prophecies, wrong Bible versions and a general “lightness” (dependence of feelings) are all manifested when people are going away from the Word of God into error.

The solution is to get into the Word, and get in line with the Spirit. Not feelings, nor carnal designs, but the ways of God.

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Analysis of beliefs on the inspired Scripture in the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=336[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

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Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

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Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1370', '138300628c', 'God is faithful', 'God upholds His Word even when you can’t see the evidence. When Sarah heard His promise that she would have a child, she laughed, because of her age. But she was rebuked for doing so, because as the Lord said, nothing is too hard for Him, and He had a set time in performing His work of bringing Isaac into the world. He wants us to receive right away, then hold fast in faith until we see the evidence, whether it’s very quick, or we have to wait. God knows better than we do. But if you’ve received what you’re believing for in faith, it’s yours right now, and you will see it with your eyes, like Abraham and Sarah did.

“And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old? Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.” (Genesis 18:13, 14).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1371', '332e69dd03', 'England', 'Thanks for that!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1372', '99f1d92e33', 'Which revision of the KJV is ... preserved?', '1. Which revision of the KJV is inspired and/or preserved, since it was revised ten times, the last being in 1850?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75oSgMiScnk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H9pOB0oO1E');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1373', '65ba2c231d', 'The Protector, 9 August 2009', '[img:65ba2c231d]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:65ba2c231d]

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[size=18:65ba2c231d][color=darkblue:65ba2c231d]EDITORIAL[/color:65ba2c231d][/size:65ba2c231d]

THE ORANGE INSTITUTION

“Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.” (Jeremiah 6:16).

There has been, in Northern Ireland, a historical clinging to the Protestant faith. One organisation which promoted Protestant values was the Orange Institution. This group was modelled on a secret order knighthood system, and some of the ideas of Freemasonry entered in. Often Catholic groups threatened the peace, and there was a continual conflict for many years between the Protestants and Catholics in Ireland.

The Orange Institution also sprang up in Scotland, England, Canada and Australia, and other places. Their aim was promote (more or less) the English monarchy, English religion, English language, English Bible, etc.

The organisation has undergone severe decline. Their main faults are the Masonic influences and their recent “liberalisation” including a move toward ecumenism!

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General Declaration of the Objects of the Orange Institution.

We associate to the utmost of our power to support and defend His Majesty King George the Third, the constitution, and laws of this country, and the succession to the throne in His Majesty\'s illustrious House, being Protestants; for the defence of our persons and properties, and to maintain the peace of our country: and for these purposes we will be at all times ready to assist the civil and military powers, in the just and lawful discharge of their duty. We also associate in honour of King William the Third, Prince of Orange, whose name we bear, as supporters of his glorious memory, and the true religion by him completely established : and in order to prove our gratitude and affection for his name, we will annually celebrate the victory over James at the Boyne on the 1st day of July, O. S. in every year, which day shall be our grand era for ever.

We further declare, that we are exclusively a Protestant Association; yet detesting as we do any intolerant spirit, we solemnly pledge ourselves to each other, that we will not prosecute or upbraid any person on account of his religious opinion, but that we will, on the contrary, be aiding and assisting to every loyal subject of every religious description.

Qualifications requisite for an Orangeman.

He should have a sincere love and veneration for his Almighty Maker, productive of those lively and happy fruits, righteousness and obedience to his commands; a firm and steady faith in the Saviour of the world, convinced that he is the only Mediator between a sinful creature and an offended Creator. Without those he can be no Christian. Of an humane and compassionate disposition, and a courteous and affable behaviour, he should be an utter enemy to savage brutality and unchristian cruelty; a lover of sobriety and improving company; and have a laudable regard for the Protestant religion, and a sincere regard to propagate its precepts; zealous in promoting the honour of his king and country; heartily desirous of victory and success in those pursuits, yet convinced and assured that God alone can grant them; he should have an hatred of cursing and swearing, and taking the name of God in vain (a shameful practice); he should use all opportunities of discouraging it among his brethren; wisdom and prudence should guide his actions, honesty and integrity direct his conduct, and honour and glory be the motives of his endeavours. Lastly, he should pay the strictest attention to a religious observance of the Sabbath, and also of temperance and sobriety.

Obligation of an Orangeman.

I, A. B. do solemnly and sincerely swear, of my own free will and accord, that I will, to the utmost of my power, support and defend the present King, George the Third, and all the heirs of the crown, so long as he or they support the Protestant ascendancy, the constitution and laws of these kingdoms; and that I will ever hold sacred the name of our glorious, deliverer, William the Third, Prince of Orange; and I do farther swear, that I am not nor was not a Roman-catholic or papist; that I was not, am not, nor ever will be, an United Irishman

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Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

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Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

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Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1374', 'b3d87ace57', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'How does proper (ie. Biblical) Church unity come about?

It comes through:

(1) God first in all things. &quot;And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.&quot; (Mark 12:30).

(2) The belief that what God says is always right. &quot;Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way.&quot; (Psalm 119:128). Note that this is coupled with [b:b3d87ace57]a hatred of every false way[/b:b3d87ace57]. Surely then, modern versions could never be esteemed.

(3) Love for God\'s pure Word. &quot;Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.&quot; (Psalm 119:140). This requires that a pure Bible exists for it to be examined, so that God\'s servant can love it for its purity.

(4) Building upon God\'s truth. &quot;Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.&quot; (John 17:17). &quot;Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock&quot; (Matthew 7:24).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1375', '55db5e7cbf', 'Our covenant with God', 'We uphold our covenant by walking in love toward God and others. What does it mean to walk in love? It means to keep the commandments of God, to honour them and obey them each day.

&quot;But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.&quot; (1 John 2:5).

We have the commandments of God available to us to study and meditate on, and to rely on as our guide in life. The love of God is demonstrated through our actions:

&quot;My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.&quot; (1 John 3:18).

Obedience to the Lord\'s commandments is the key to walking in love.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1376', '6c13a24f07', '', 'Here\'s another clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv8WtqanUog');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1377', 'c97b8d3c87', 'The very word order', 'Is the very structure of the sentence important? Can we have a perfect translation?

Dean Burgon wrote, “Rhythm, subtle associations of thought, proprieties of diction which are rather to be felt than analysed, — any of such causes may reasonably determine a Translator to reject ‘purpose,’ ‘journey,’ ‘think,’ ‘pain,’ ‘joy,’ — in favour of ‘intent,’ ‘travel,’ ‘suppose,’ ‘ache,’ ‘gladness.’

“But then it speedily becomes evident that, at the bottom of all this, there existed in the minds of the Revisionists of 1611 a profound (shall we not rather say a prophetic?) consciousness, that the fate of the English Language itself was bound up with the fate of their Translation. Hence their reluctance to incur the responsibility of tying themselves ‘to an uniformity of phrasing, or to an identity of words.’ We should be liable to censure (such is their plain avowal), ‘if we should say, as it were, unto certain words, Stand up higher, have a place in the Bible always; and to others of like quality, Get you hence, be banished for ever.’ But this, to say the least, is to introduce a distinct and a somewhat novel consideration.

“If would really seem as if the Revisionists of 1611 had considered it a graceful achievement to vary the English phrase even on occasions where a marked identity of expression characterises the original Greek. When we find them turning ‘goodly apparel,’ (in S. James ii. 2,) into ‘gay clothing,’ (in ver. 3,) — we can but conjecture that they conceived themselves at liberty to act exactly as S. James himself would (possibly) have acted had he been writing English.”

While truth or facts can be presented a variety of ways, and in a variety of languages, there must always be an absolute form of truth, which is a finite set of words which have particular meanings, placed in a particular order.

My view is that the King James Bible is this, and this makes it supersuccessionary to all other Bibles, as much as they are true, right and good. The KJB is always better, it is the best.

This means that I believe that the KJB is an exact translation into English. Even more, I believe that English was prepared for the Word of God, so that the exact Word would be able to be given in one book for the whole world in the latter days.

In whatever way &quot;providence&quot; is miraculous, for all the ordinary and natural events and nature of transmission, and scholarship to arrive at the King James Bible, as mundane as history might appear, it is in fact the outworking of God, according to His foreknowledge, and yielding what He has purposed.

Not only did the men of 1604-1611 reconstruct the exact text of Scripture, but the rendered it exactly from start to finish in another language.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1378', '1666060986', 'The Protector, 16 August 2009', '[img:1666060986]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:1666060986]

[color=red:1666060986]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:1666060986]

WELCOME! [i:1666060986]The Protector[/i:1666060986] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:1666060986][color=darkblue:1666060986]EDITORIAL[/color:1666060986][/size:1666060986]

THE TWO RELIGIONS

There are two religions at war today in Australian society. It is an ongoing civil war, not fought with guns and bombs, but ideologically, for the hearts and minds of the citizenry.

“For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he” (Proverbs 23:7a).

Political master, Andrew Bolt, once said that it is right for Christians to be against “the Greens, because it is a competing ideology, it’s a competing religion. Fundamentally, those, those are the two big religions grasping for the votes of the religiously uncommitted in this society ... when man stops believing in God, he doesn’t believe in nothing, he’ll believe in anything, and what’s come to fill that vacuum? The Greens.”

The ultra-leftist philosophy of green religion is anti-Biblical on many grounds, e.g. evolutionary versus Creation, immoral versus moral, lawless versus lawful, etc.

Besides attempting to sell out the nation to enemies, this philosophy is also against the national interest, such as, against the prosperity of the individual.

&quot;Wouldn\'t it be an extraordinary national paradox if this country had achieved great prosperity, in no small measure due to the resources that providence has given us, and we are then to be knee-jerked into a response to global warming that crippled the very industries that gave us that prosperity.&quot; (John Howard).

&quot;It remains the fact that the Christian religion is the greatest force for good, progress and dignity of the individual in this nation.&quot; (John Howard).

The global warming myth is just one of the many symptoms of the green religion, which is thoroughly pro-deception, pro-pride and pro-lust.

Proverbs 14:34 says, “Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.”

[size=18:1666060986][color=darkblue:1666060986]NEWS[/color:1666060986][/size:1666060986]

The very order of the words is important in the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=342[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:1666060986][color=darkblue:1666060986]DIRECTORY[/color:1666060986][/size:1666060986]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1379', '98977874b4', 'God is faithful', '“One Lord, one faith, one baptism…” (Ephesians 4:5)

Thankfully, the Lord does not have different rules for different people. He has one standard, the Holy Bible, and this is what mankind is judged by. His commandments are true, and He is faithful to uphold His Word for all time, and for all people. He is not capricious, He is always the same. “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.” (Hebrews 13:8).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1380', 'd5e267e1df', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'The King James Bible is complete in that it has no words missing. Christ said that &quot;every word&quot; from God was necessary for man (see Matthew 4:4). Without this Bible, then there are holes in people\'s faith (if indeed they are even born again).

For example, we see in the KJB: &quot;For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.&quot; (Matthew 18:11) But in the NIV: &quot;[missing verse]&quot; (Matthew 18:11).

Thus, those linked to modern versions have been stolen from and have a loss in their lives that many are not even aware of.

Can the KJB and the NIV stand together in a united faith? [b:d5e267e1df]Obviously not![/b:d5e267e1df]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1381', 'f026c6cc83', 'New KJV Forum', 'Guys,

As we all know AV1611 Bible Forum closed down. I have started a new KJV forum and you are all welcome. 

I hope Matthew comes by and makes post about there PCE!

I\'ll see all of you guys there and keep up the good work here.

http://avbiblebelievers.phpbb3now.com/

I\'ll also be happy to add The Bible protector as a link if you\'ll grant me permission to do so.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1382', 'c4b9b1495f', 'Thanks', 'Thanks Atlas.

I will probably make an appearance sometime down the track.

The more positive, godly, pro-KJB forums there are, the better! We pray for increase.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1383', 'b228a80cad', '', 'Pastor Craig,

[quote:b228a80cad]Thanks Atlas. 

I will probably make an appearance sometime down the track. 

The more positive, godly, pro-KJB forums there are, the better! We pray for increase.
_________________
Pastor Craig, VFC [/quote:b228a80cad]

You will be welcomed with open arms my friend. We are looking forward to you dropping by.

Atlas');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1384', 'f87a8d53f2', 'The Protector, 23 August 2009', '[img:f87a8d53f2]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:f87a8d53f2]

[color=red:f87a8d53f2]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:f87a8d53f2]

WELCOME! [i:f87a8d53f2]The Protector[/i:f87a8d53f2] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:f87a8d53f2][color=darkblue:f87a8d53f2]EDITORIAL[/color:f87a8d53f2][/size:f87a8d53f2]

FALSE PROPHETS ATTACK THE BIBLE

Charismatic “Ascended Master”, Rick Joyner, states in one of his books, “Knowing the book of the Lord is not our goal”.

The Scripture asks the question, “For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?” (Jeremiah 23:18). This means that knowing God’s words, the very words, is important.

This question is in response to the statement, “Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.” (Jeremiah 23:16).

It is a dangerous error repeated over and again by many Charismatics, that Christianity is not a religion, that tradition is bad, and that we must not be people of the Book. They claim that the Spirit is leading them away from the Word, from lawfulness.

The Scripture says, “I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.” (Jeremiah 23:21, 22).

The false prophets bring about a state where people can sin with no fear of consequence. Yet God shows that great destruction is coming upon sinners, even those who use the name of Christ.

[size=18:f87a8d53f2][color=darkblue:f87a8d53f2]NEWS[/color:f87a8d53f2][/size:f87a8d53f2]

The very order of the words of the Bible is important
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=342[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:f87a8d53f2][color=darkblue:f87a8d53f2]DIRECTORY[/color:f87a8d53f2][/size:f87a8d53f2]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1385', '48db6e6f93', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'Many Christians of today cannot stomach Biblical preaching. They emphasise entertainment or other pursuits, rather than the Word of God.

&quot;He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.&quot; (Proverbs 15:32). Since Biblical preaching is instructive and full of exhortation, then the response of hearers must be one of believing rather than rejection. People cannot prosper unless they have the Word of God coming into their hearts in belief.

&quot;O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.&quot; (Psalm 119:97). &quot;Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.&quot; (Psalm 119:165).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1386', '1ab3effabc', 'What is faith?', 'The Bible tells us that faith comes by hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). The faith that comes into our hearts can be developed.

The first step to developing our faith is to immerse ourselves in the Word of God, as Deuteronomy 6:6-9 shows. The Word should be foremost in our lives. We must also know Christ personally, and believe on Him. This is foundational, see 2 Timothy 1:12, 13. These things enable us to get hold of the seed from which faith grows, which is the Word of God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1387', '9d0c7b6278', 'The Protector, 30 August 2009', '[img:9d0c7b6278]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:9d0c7b6278]

[color=red:9d0c7b6278]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:9d0c7b6278]

WELCOME! [i:9d0c7b6278]The Protector[/i:9d0c7b6278] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:9d0c7b6278][color=darkblue:9d0c7b6278]EDITORIAL[/color:9d0c7b6278][/size:9d0c7b6278]

HAS GOD PROMISED TO PRESERVE HIS WORD IN HEBREW AND GREEK?

There are many verses which indicate that the Scripture should be preserved, for example,

“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalm 12:6, 7).

But is there any Scripture which states or implies that God must preserve in Hebrew and Greek only? Some people might claim so, but they cannot honestly make such a case.

We read that God promises to NOT use Hebrew, for example, “For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.” (Isaiah 28:11).

We also read that God promises to be able to use any language, which obviously does not restrict Him to Hebrew, “And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people” (Revelation 14:6).

When we look at the King James Bible, we can believe that it is presenting the very Word of God in English without impediment.

Some people think that the “underlying Greek New Testament” is more authoritative than the King James Bible. The truth is that no perfect Greek New Testament exists, and there is none which matches the King James Bible in one volume. This is because the King James Bible was made as a central copy from consulting many sources. It gathers the truth from many witnesses, presenting it in one finite English form. And it gets it right.

If anyone who upholds the King James Bible thinks that Scrivener’s Greek is the “real New Testament”, they should read this: [url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=309[/url]

[size=18:9d0c7b6278][color=darkblue:9d0c7b6278]NEWS[/color:9d0c7b6278][/size:9d0c7b6278]

The very order of the words of the Bible is important
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=342[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:9d0c7b6278][color=darkblue:9d0c7b6278]DIRECTORY[/color:9d0c7b6278][/size:9d0c7b6278]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1388', '2997fdd3f2', 'Large, Larger Print PCE or close to PCE recommendation?', 'Hello everyone,
  Does anyone know of either a PCE or text that is very close to PCE (perhaps off only slightly as with the Cameo) that is in larger print for those unwilling to use reading glasses or are otherwise challenged in their sight? The Pitt Minion as we know is rather small and it seems the Cameo is only slightly larger. Cambridge obviously has abandonded the PCE in favor of the Concord and now Standard Text. If no such product exists, would one be better off selecting a Cambridge Concord in larger print over say a Nelson or other publisher?

Thank you in advance,
Harley');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1389', 'c6097db788', '', 'Gail Riplinger is selling a large font sized PCE at avpublications.com, which I think is a Cameo.

Also, Bearing Precious Seed have Cameo PCE in #180 of their range, but you better check it before buying.

Also, the Trinitarian Bible Society may still have PCE in some of their stock. Someone told me that they got a large print plain text PCE from them recently, but you have to check it before buying.

Since some Cameos from recent years are altered at 1 John 5:8 to read &quot;Spirit&quot; instead of &quot;spirit&quot;, you should always check. Having the word &quot;Cambridge&quot; or &quot;Cameo&quot; is not guarantee enough.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1390', '96e69c1eb8', 'Thank you!', 'Thank you Matthew, I\'ll contact each to verify. I love my Allan PM1, the size makes it very easy to carry but as you know the Minion text is very small. And I\'m not sure I could have too many PCE\'s. :)

Harley');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1391', '31fdfa1eae', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'Christians are in the following category: &quot; he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully&quot; (see Jeremiah 23:28). We have an accurate Bible - the King James Bible - so that now we put God\'s Word into our heart and speak it out with faithfulness. This means that we do not allow the chaff of the world\'s words, modern versions, or unbelieving people to interfere with our words and actions in Christ. &quot;Wherefore putting away lying [eg. the chaff of wrong words], speak every man the truth [eg. God\'s Word] with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.&quot; (Ephesians 4:25).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1392', '8b69f6db40', 'What is faith?', 'After getting hold of the seed (the Word of God), it needs to be planted. It\'s planted in the heart, and when we nurture it, it brings forth faith (Galatians 6:7). Mark 4:26–28 shows that the seed produces results, just like a natural crop. If we want the harvest, we can\'t afford to dig up the seed after it\'s been planted.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1393', 'ab4d490528', 'Let The Word Go Forth', 'I was pleasantly surprised to see a Collins King James Bible on the step in front of the Piano at Church the other day. That was when I went to go spend some time in my music. I opened it up, and checked a few verses, yes! it was a PCE.
*******
I have a soft cover KJB blue Bible by Baker that has large print.[not PCE] and my Trinitarian PCE Bible [family Bible] has larger print than the Baker Bible.
Product Code: 9CFR
ISBN: 0 907861 59 8
*******
PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1394', '210d4cca21', 'What does it mean &quot;great probability&quot;?', 'What does the KJB translators\' preface mean when it states &quot;great probability&quot;? 

1. Translator Richard Kilbye heard a young parson question the rendering of the King James Bible at a certain place, giving three reasons why it ought to be read differently. Kilbye took him aside afterward, and telling him that his preaching should be better spent than criticising the KJB, for that the translators in their deliberations were aware of those three reasons, but had found thirteen compelling reasons why to render it the way they had presented it. 

This shows that while there was a great probability for one rendering, there was a greater probability for another, and that the translator defended the rendering as it stood. 

2. Translator John Bois took notes of some of the deliberations of the translators. He recorded that when they came to 1 Corinthians 10:11, they were discussing the word in Greek &quot;typoi&quot;, and how to render it. It has been rendered &quot;ensamples&quot; meaning, according to Adam Nicolson, &quot;illustrative instances&quot;. Augustine had read it to mean, &quot;types&quot;, that is, that the Jews were actually essentially wicked. Bois notes that Andrew Downes agreed with the &quot;types&quot; interpretation which had great probability, whereas the other translators said it was &quot;ensamples&quot;, which had greater probability. Thus, their collective judgment showed &quot;ensamples&quot;, but in order to show the other less probable rendering of &quot;types&quot;, they placed it in the margin. 

This shows that while individual translators, or some witness was held for one minority rendering of great probability, the greater probability always prevailed, and stood as the main text, which could be testable afterward to see whether it was infallible or not. 

Thus &quot;great probability&quot; does not mean &quot;alternate&quot; or 50/50. It means that of all possible renderings, some have greater probability of being correct than others, and that one has the greatest probability. Even though absolute certainty does not cover the greatest probable rendering with a naturalistic view, the greatest certainty comes in when the greatest probability is viewed in line with God\'s providence. In other words, the KJB translators did not claim infallibility, but were used of God providentially to get the text and translation of Scripture infallibly in English. 

Judging among the most probable renderings was the order of the day. It works out that what was judged to stand as main text, believers recognise today as being correct. It is this very thing which the translators allowed for: a pope might claim infallibility, but they allowed for open proving by the saints that what they presented as the main text is correct.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1395', 'e883e83bab', 'The Protector, 6 September 2009', '[img:e883e83bab]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:e883e83bab]

[color=red:e883e83bab]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:e883e83bab]

WELCOME! [i:e883e83bab]The Protector[/i:e883e83bab] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:e883e83bab][color=darkblue:e883e83bab]EDITORIAL[/color:e883e83bab][/size:e883e83bab]

THE WORD IS KEPT

“But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” (Daniel 12:4).

This prophecy shows that in the end times, in the last days before the coming of Christ, knowledge would increase, and transportation would increase. We see every day advances in technology which show the increase in knowledge and transportation.

For all the increase, it is ironic that many are “Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” (2 Timothy 3:7)

Again, Daniel recorded, “And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.” (Daniel 12:9).

We find that the words of Scripture must be manifested in the end, and we find that the sense must be present in the end. The words were closed up and shut up, meaning that the words would not be lost. We are also told that the words are sealed. This shows that there must be a full revelation of meaning in the last days.

Many people have bought into a doctrine which says that there can be multiple senses in translation, and many variations of meanings of the original words. This view rejects the promise that particular words are revealed, and that the meaning of Scripture has been sealed.

The modernists think that the Word of God is sealed from us, that the words cannot be fully known. But Bible prophecy shows that the Bible has been kept for us, and is unlocked for us.

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What did the translators mean when they spoke of the great probability in regard to diverse renderings (shown in the margins)?
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=348[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]

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Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

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Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

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Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1396', 'fe6e02160f', 'Concerning enemies of God\'s work', 'It is important to see the source of false doctrines and see where enemies of God\'s work abound. There is the true church and the false church on the Earth today. The following are notes from a sermon I preached concerning the church in the wilderness.

------------------------------------------------------------
&quot;The Persecuted Woman.&quot;   by Craig Savige

1.	Who is the woman? – the true Church

Rev. 12:1-6&quot;a woman &quot; - a multiple symbol. 

2 Cor.11:2	 &quot;a chaste virgin to Christ&quot;

Acts 7:38	&quot;the church in the wilderness&quot;

Isaiah 54:5,6 &quot;the LORD hath called thee as a woman&quot;

Isaiah 62:11 &quot;the daughter of Zion&quot;

2.	A false church.

Eze.23:1-7	 &quot;she committed her whoredoms&quot;

Rev.17:3-6 &quot;the great whore&quot;

3.	The Sun, the Moon, the Stars.

Gen. 37:9,10 &quot;the sun and the moon&quot; - physical representation of Israel\'s ancestry. Note Jacob called israel in Gen.32:28; 35:9-12.

Also, the moon is a reflection of the sun, the moon representing the Old Testament (covenant) and the sun representing the New Testament with the brightness of the Gospel.

2 Tim.1:9,10 &quot;light through the gospel&quot;

2 Cor.3:7-11;4:3-6&quot;the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory&quot;  	
Eph.2:19,20 &quot;foundation of the apostles&quot;

4.	The Red Dragon.

Rev.12:3,4,7-9 &quot;the great dragon... called the Devil&quot; Also see Eph.2:2.  	
Specifically, Satan used the Roman Empire to manifest his purposes. Next to the eagle, the principal standard of Rome was the red dragon. Rome took 2 manifestations - pagan and papal.

Rev.12:10-12 &quot;they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb&quot;  	

Believers in Christ have power over the Devil. The Devil knows that his failure in stopping the Lord Jesus Christ means that he does not have much time left to operate in history.

5.	The manchild (Rev.12:5).

Luke 2:25,26 &quot;the consolation of Israel... the Lord\'s Christ&quot;

Psalm 2:6-12 &quot;break them with a rod of iron&quot;

Rev. 19:15	 &quot;he shall rule them with a rod of iron&quot;

In a broad sense this is also fulfilled in believers who are the &quot;one body in Christ&quot; (Rom.12:5) and also rule with him (Rev.5:10).

Eph.1:20,21 &quot;raised him from the dead... [f]ar above all&quot;

6	Rome\'s Activities.

At the time of Christ, Rome was in power and crucified Him.  	

Rev.12:6 &quot;the woman fled... a thousand two hundred and threescore days&quot;

In 476 AD the Roman kingdom finally fell into the hands of the barbarian nations. Ten nations (ten horns), which are the ancestors of Europe today, succeeded in overtaking the kingdom. They were the Huns, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Franks, Vandals, Suevi, Burgundians, Heruli, Anglo-Saxons and Lombards. 7 of these willingly submitted to papal Rome but 3 of them - the Heruli (defeated 493 AD), the Vandals (defeated 534 AD) and the Ostrogoths (defeated 553 AD) - had to be taken by force, lining up with Daniel 7:24.

Key dates to remember are:
312 AD	The pagan Roman emperor Constantine became a Catholic.  533 AD	The edict of the emperor Justinian  made the bishop of Rome (the Pope) the head of all the churches. True believers, of course, rejected this edict, thus causing the woman of Rev. 12:1 to flee into the wilderness.
538 AD	The Arian Ostrogoths were driven from Rome, thus enabling the edict of Justinian to be put into effect. Thus, papal Rome officially started at this date.
553 AD	Papal Rome became a world empire in the form of the &quot;Holy Roman Empire&quot; when Pope Vigilius finally defeated the Ostragoth kingdom.
1798 AD	Berthier, with a French army, entered Rome, procalimed a republic, took the pope prisoner, and inflicted a deadly wound upon the papacy. Thus, papal Rome came to an end, although it is now in the process of being resurrected.
538 AD  +  1260 YEARS  ends at 1798 AD.  	The true Church, in the form of the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Waldenses, the Albigenses, the Celtic Church etc, were all persecuted by papal Rome.

Rev.12:13-17 &quot;she is nourished... from the face of the serpent&quot;

Pure doctrine was preserved in the true Church, which was &quot;nourished&quot;. Separation from the whore was necessary or complete pollution would have been the result. For example, the Eastern Orthodox Church preserved the pure Greek texts until the Reformation - the Authorized King James Bible is based on these texts BUT the Catholic institution has produced the corrupt texts, such as the Sinaiaticus and Vaticanus, upon which all the modernist versions are based.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1397', '8d4ba9150f', 'Reasons For Upholding the King James Bible', 'For a great audio discussing the Reasons For Upholding The King James Bible, Bible Protector has linked the audio on his site.
It is by Samantha Savige.
Many, many good points.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1398', '2c1806294f', 'What is faith?', 'When the seed has been planted in our hearts, through listening to and studying the Word, it needs to be given the right conditions for growth. Isaiah 55:10, 11 shows that good conditions bring forth growth, like rain on the earth nourishes the seed. Giving the seed the right conditions in our hearts involves keeping ourselves holy, and pure, and not getting involved with sinful things.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1399', '4062aa90da', 'The Protector, 13 September 2009', '[img:4062aa90da]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:4062aa90da]

[color=red:4062aa90da]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:4062aa90da]

WELCOME! [i:4062aa90da]The Protector[/i:4062aa90da] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:4062aa90da][color=darkblue:4062aa90da]EDITORIAL[/color:4062aa90da][/size:4062aa90da]

THE TESTIMONY OF RICHARD KILBYE

In Walton’s biography of Bishop Sanderson, he describes and incident involving King James Bible translator, Richard Kilbye: “I must here stop my reader, and tell him that this Dr. Kilby was a man of so great learning and wisdom, and so excellent a critic in the Hebrew tongue, that he was made professor of it in this University; and was also so perfect a Grecian, that he was by King James appointed to be one of the translators of the Bible; and that this Doctor and Mr. Sanderson had frequent discourses, and loved as father and son. The Doctor was to ride a journey into Derbyshire, and took Mr. Sanderson to bear him company; and they, resting on a Sunday with the Doctor’s friend, and going together to that parish church where they then were, found the young preacher to have no more discretion, than to waste a great part of the hour allotted for his sermon in exceptions against the late translation of several words, (not expecting such a hearer as Dr. Kilby,) and shewed three reasons why a particular word should have been otherwise translated. When evening prayer was ended, the preacher was invited to the Doctor’s friend’s house, where, after some other conference, the Doctor told him, he might have preached more useful doctrine, and not have filled his auditors’ ears with [b:4062aa90da]needless[/b:4062aa90da] exceptions against the late translation; and for that word for which he offered to that poor congregation three reasons why it ought to have been translated as he said, he and others had considered all them, and found thirteen more considerable reasons why it was translated as now printed ...”

The Scripture instructs us, “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15). It must be therefore no conincidence that those who attack the King James Bible must invariably argue from non-Scriptural foundations. “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” (Mark 7:7). Those who think the Scripture really is in the original languages only, or think that they can “correct” (i.e. corrupt) the King James Bible are not able to find a Scriptural foundation and might actually find that they earn a rebuke from the King James Bible translators themselves!

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What did the translators mean when they spoke of the great probability in regard to diverse renderings (shown in the margins)?
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=348[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:4062aa90da][color=darkblue:4062aa90da]DIRECTORY[/color:4062aa90da][/size:4062aa90da]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1400', '4a9f78c549', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'People’s actions show what they truly believe. Following godly ministers and godly examples is an action showing believing according to faith. “Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.” (Hebrews 13:7). Coming together in fellowship, remembering the Word of God (specifically, the King James Bible) and honouring the House of God are all actions showing good believing. “Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.” (Hebrews 10:25). Obeying the Word of God (ie. the Law of God) and leaving behind offence against the Word are actions of good believing. “Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.” (Psalm 119:165).

I have seen much offence against those who hold to one Bible. But this offence is due to a profound rebellion as taught by modernist, unbelieving philosophy.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1401', '6e14c1a600', 'Re: New KJV Forum - not there', 'Hi Folks,

Well, I had a couple of posts there, good conversation.

Then the forum vanished.  

Any explanation ?  Returning ?
Server problem or Forum owner decision ?

Thanks.

Shalom,
Steven Avery');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1402', '1de8613c3f', 'The Protector, 20 September 2009', '[img:1de8613c3f]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:1de8613c3f]

[color=red:1de8613c3f]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:1de8613c3f]

WELCOME! [i:1de8613c3f]The Protector[/i:1de8613c3f] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:1de8613c3f][color=darkblue:1de8613c3f]EDITORIAL[/color:1de8613c3f][/size:1de8613c3f]

DANIEL SEVEN — PART ONE

In Daniel chapter seven, the prophet sees a vision where beasts represent different empires.

“After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.” (Daniel 7:7).

This is a symbol of the Roman Empire, and specifically represents how it was an “iron” civilisation. Daniel wrote this years before the Roman Empire existed. Our view of Bible prophecy in this way shows how it must be true that God inspired the Scripture.

The horns represent ten (barbarian) nations which took over the Roman Empire in the Dark Ages. Yet, “I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.” (Daniel 7:8).

Daniel shows that another little horn would come. This is representative of the antichrist. This antichrist is none other than the papal lineage. The fall of three of the horns means that three of the nations were subdued, and also three regions came under the control of the Pope in Italy, making what was known in Medieval times as the Papal states.

“Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.” (Daniel 7:19, 20).

The Pope was indeed speaking great things, and as the Vatican Council of 1870 was discussing the doctrine of Papal infallibility, the pan-Italian nationalists came in and overthrew the Papal states, and formed the united country of Italy.

One more fact is telling about this little horn, which is the Papacy: “I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them” (Daniel 7:21). This war with the saints has included the Papal backing of modern Bible versions.

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Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
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Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

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Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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We know a forum takes work to keep going.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1404', '8312e97e0a', 'Chick Comic on the origins of Islam', 'THE PROPHET
http://www.chick.com/reading/comics/0117/theprophetindex.asp

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1405', '15d49b8665', 'Dr. Bisconti Accepts PCE Evidence', 'I have been trying to promote the PCE on other sites that I think are needed.
I challenged Dr. Bisconti and I was quite pleased how he handled the evidence and here is his conclusion after looking into the PCE as the ultimate in final authority.
Kudos to Dr. Bisconti.
*******
“Pure Old Cambridge Edition”

Monday, September 21, 2009  12:15 AM  CST  (GMT – 6)  Update

We have further researched the Pure Cambridge Edition question and have come to the following conclusions:

First Consideration

·        Cambridge University today does not defend the Bible.

·        Cambridge University today does not defend the King James Bible.

·        Cambridge University today does not defend the Pure Cambridge Edition.

·        Cambridge University today no longer excels in the study of the ancient languages of the Bible.

As preliminary proof of the claims above read the following quote from the Cambridge University Press website at http://www.cambridge.org/uk/bibles/info/faq.htm - FAQ002:

At present, we publish only the Bible versions shown on the web pages: KJV, ESV, NASB, NKJV, NRSV, NIV, REB, TNIV and NTL. Other versions may become available in the future.

Note, especially, the references to the NKJV and the NIV.  Therefore, we must refer to the PCE, Pure Cambridge Edition, as the “POCE,” “Pure Old Cambridge Edition.”

Second Consideration

We agree that the following texts are “purifications” of the 1769 text:

·        “or Sheba” not “and Sheba” in Joshua 19:2

·        “sin” not “sins” in 2 Chronicles 33:19

·        “Spirit of God” not “spirit of God” in Job 33:4

·        “whom ye” not “whom he” in Jeremiah 34:16

·        “Spirit of God” not “spirit of God” in Ezekiel 11:24

·        “flieth” not “fleeth” in Nahum 3:16

·        “Spirit” not “spirit” in Matthew 4:1

·        “further” not “farther” in Matthew 26:39

·        “bewrayeth” not “betrayeth” in Matthew 26:73

·        “Spirit” not “spirit” in Mark 1:12

·        “spirit” not “Spirit” in Acts 11:28

·        “spirit” not “Spirit” in 1 John 5:8

Conclusion

Therefore:

Since correctness exclusivity has been proven, we are responsible to support what we are calling the “POCE 1769 Bible” (“POCE” is pronounced “pos,” rhymes with “most,”); that is, we are responsible to support the 1769 Bible with superordination of the Pure Old Cambridge Edition where the two texts differ.  The few Pure Old Cambridge Edition textual differentiae must be provided in the margins of the 1769 Bible along with an explanation of the superordination of the POCE text.

In short, we hold to the 1769 King James Bible

accompanied by instruction in the purifications noted above.

While our position is equivalent to that of one who holds to the Pure Old Cambridge Edition, if biblical principles of authentication and historicity are satisfied in the future, we will make the subtle switch to:

The Pure Old Cambridge Edition.

To be clear, whether one holds to the POCE 1769 Bible or the Pure Old Cambridge Edition [formerly the Pure Cambridge Edition by biblical standards]), they are, in the end:

Holding to the same text.');
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1407', 'e0c71b103b', '', 'Yes, I thought that that was a bit strange.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1408', 'b29f3e79fd', 'What is faith?', 'When the seed (the Word of God) is in your heart, it is important to make sure the enemy doesn\'t steal it, so this involves removing and keeping threats away. The Word tells us that the enemy, Satan, comes only to steal, kill and destroy, and this includes destroying our faith. The parable Jesus told in Mark 4:3, 4 shows how the enemy, like a fowl, comes and devours the seed unless it\'s given the right conditions for growth. God wants us to be sober and vigilant to what the devil is trying to do. As we use our faith, and are obedient to the Lord, we grow in discernment of both good and evil (Hebrews 5:14), so it becomes hard for the enemy to try and kill off our faith.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1409', '7be204820f', 'Bancroft alteration thread', '[color=darkblue:7be204820f]Hi Folks,

Matthew and myself have had some excellent discussions here on the 1600s, also a bit on the AV1611 forum.

You are welcome to look at the current discussion [/color:7be204820f]
[color=darkred:7be204820f]
Acts 19:37 translators\' rendering vs Bancroft\'s alteration 
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/69746-acts-19-37-translators-rendering-vs-bancrofts-alteration.html[/color:7be204820f]
[color=darkblue:7be204820f]
The discussion moved from the specific (Acts 19:37) to the general. 

Any sharing you have about the thread, either publicly here, or privately by PM or email, or on the FFF forum, is appreciated. 

Note: we have quietly begun the www.purebibleforum.com . You are welcome to come over and join in.  We hope to be a nice repository of excellent information, with specialty discussions and more.  Not a YADF (yet another debate forum) a wide-focus forum with emphasis on defending the pure word of God.  PCE is welcome to have a solid section and be discussed wherever is appropriate.

Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:7be204820f]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1410', '358cd065e8', 'sharing the refined purity of the King James Bible', '[color=darkblue:358cd065e8]Hi Folks,

There are a number of reasons why I could not get too involved in this news.  There are a number of folks who it would be nice to understand the PCE position, I emailed one of them today on other points and mentioned the PCE, since we were discussing John 8:6 and the text and the italics.

Shalom,
Steven[/color:358cd065e8]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1411', '4e992fbce1', '', 'That\'s interesting.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1412', 'e3094b5014', 'earlier thread - Bancroft alteration and 1600s history', '[color=darkblue:e3094b5014]Hi Folks,

Matthew, I consider you one of the few experts in the Bible discussions and history on that period (especially the 1600s and 1700s, maybe less so the 1500s since you have had less need to look into those years).  Of course, others such as Laurence Vance may have an in depth background, without getting involved in net discussions.  And I utilitzed our threads here and AV1611 as part of my source information.  Some of those notes could now be enhanced .. such as a chronological list with summaries of the King James Bible responses and resources from 1611 to 1700 or 1725, when there were a number of different phases and responses. 

One thread was last year.[/color:e3094b5014]
[color=darkred:e3094b5014]
Historical revisionism and accusations against the KJB
http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1034&amp;sid=6bdfcb1397f68ac275ff33fd9d06222a[/color:e3094b5014]

[color=darkblue:e3094b5014]And on AV1611 last year, starting on pg. 6[/color:e3094b5014]
[color=darkred:e3094b5014]
What about the Cambridge Pure Edition? 
http://av1611.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104&amp;page=6[/color:e3094b5014]
[color=darkblue:e3094b5014]
Your post 55, and then 77-80 especially, which links back to the one substantive earlier discussion on the yuku board with the adversarial poster.[/color:e3094b5014]
[color=darkred:e3094b5014]
KJV translator reported alterations in translators\' text
http://finalauthority48270.yuku.com/topic/7114[/color:e3094b5014][color=darkblue:e3094b5014]

Incidentally the David Norton book is quite interesting on these issues, however the net copy blocks pages 100 and 101.[/color:e3094b5014]
[color=darkred:e3094b5014]
A History of the English Bible by David Norton
http://books.google.com/books?id=eAmrsy2coyoC
[/color:e3094b5014][color=darkblue:e3094b5014]
I am planning a university stop in the morning to see how page 100 (scan e.g. Jessey to get to the pages and then you can move 96-97-98-99) goes, and 101 if still on the topic.  Do you have the book down under ?

Scrivener does not have any 1600s historical studies at all that I could fine.

Shalom,
Steven Avery [/color:e3094b5014]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1413', '29888ec8ba', 'Agree', '[quote:29888ec8ba]Matthew, I consider you one of the few experts in the Bible discussions and history on that period (especially the 1600s and 1700s, maybe less so the 1500s since you have had less need to look into those years).[/quote:29888ec8ba]
I agree. Steven, I have often seen your thoughtful posts in the various KJB forums. What is your stand concerning the PCE?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1414', '30a8bc4242', 'PCE-simpatico', '[color=darkblue:30a8bc4242]Hi Folks,

You can consider me as PCE-simpatico.  I often use the PCE as the plumbline text and point out how various arguments (e.g. Norris) actually help substantiate the position.  

And I see the PCE dynamic as similar to the Reformation Bible dynamic in general, the refintement from Erasmus to Stephanus to Beza paralleled English Bible improvements (Tyndale, Coverdale, Geneva) unto the perfect Reformation Bible, the King James Bible.  .. thus seeing a similar dynamic within the KJB editions is only natural.

There are points that I examine and consider today, so that is basically where I stand.  I have disagreed with Matthew about some supporting argumentation, but nothing afaik that structurally effects the PCE position.

Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:30a8bc4242]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1415', 'a19003121f', '', 'I have Norton\'s book. I got it when it came out. In fact, I dialogued with Norton several years before the book was published.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1416', '4ab811218d', 'David Norton on Bancroft alteration accusation', '[color=darkblue:4ab811218d]Hi Folks,[/color:4ab811218d]

[quote:4ab811218d=\"bibleprotector\"]I have Norton\'s book. I got it when it came out. In fact, I dialogued with Norton several years before the book was published.[/quote:4ab811218d] 
[color=darkblue:4ab811218d]Kewl. Are you able to save me a trip to the university library today ?  The key issue is pg. 100 (and possibly continuing to 101) as to whether there is material and summary about Bancroft, Jessey, Hill, alerations, etc.  There is good stuff leading up from 96-99.  Even a sentence or two summary would be a big help (e,g. does he mention the alteration accusation) or a scan if there is a lot there. Thanks.

P. 99 ends in the middle of Whiston\'s biography, heightening the drama. 

btw, it is no big problem for me to go to the school, it is on the way to or from work.

Shalom,
Steven [/color:4ab811218d]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1417', '102f8fb82c', '', 'Sorry, I have a different book. What you really need to get hold of is:

Norton, D., 1993, A History of the Bible as Literature, (two volumes), Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, UK.

These two books go into a bit of depth with the whole Puritan revision area. These two are better than the &quot;History of the English Bible&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1418', 'ba9dd1c975', 'The agenda to forsake the KJB', 'Wolves in sheep\'s clothing are around. This false word sounds very plausible. But it all comes down the last few words he says in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-kGYTi3hE');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1419', 'd6dec11ea0', 'Ignorance.', 'It is clear that this man is either willingly ignorant of the issues surrounding the modernist versions or is deliberately deceptive to destroy any trust in the King James Bible.

There are really only 2 paths for Christians to go - the modernist towards apostasy or the godly, believing way towards trust in God that He is powerful and mighty enough to provide one, pure Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1420', '02e5e40a62', 'The Protector, 27 September 2009', '[img:02e5e40a62]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:02e5e40a62]

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DANIEL SEVEN — PART TWO

In Daniel chapter seven, the prophet sees a vision where beasts represent different empires.

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“Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.” (Daniel 7:23).

The fourth beast represents the Roman Empire. The prophet Daniel wrote about it many years beforehand.

“And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.” (Daniel 7:24).

The Papacy would rise, as represented by the emerging horn.

“And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.” (Daniel 7:25).

A time is a year. In the historical interpretation of Bible prophecy, a prophetic year has 360 days. Thus, a time (360), plus times (360+360), plus the dividing of time (180) equals 1260 days. Prophetical use of “day” means an actual colander year. We are told that the Papacy would be in power for 1260 years. This is literally true. Secular history informs us that the Pope ruled Rome in his own right from 538 A.D. to 1798 A.D. (when the French came).

“But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.” (Daniel 7:26).

Since the French Revolution, the Papacy has lost much power. According to Daniel, one day, the Roman Empire will come to its end.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1421', 'b524f602b6', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'One major assumption amongst the modernists is that there is no such thing as a perfect translation from one language to another. This is relying on man\'s flawed ideas. When we consider that God is omnipotent and almighty, then nothing is impossible for Him. It is easy for God to superintend the perfect translation, encompassing exact word-for-word and sense-for-sense of the original languages. Unbelief says otherwise and this severely undermines trust in the Almighty. This has caused many churches to become deficient in trusting God for who He is.

The King James Bible is the perfect translation from the original languages into the language that God has decreed for today\'s major thrust of evangelism.

&quot;Is any thing too hard for the LORD?&quot; (Genesis 18:14a).

&quot;And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.&quot; (Mark 10:27).

&quot;Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.&quot; (Job 40:2).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1422', 'c25a752ffb', 'the character of the age in which they lived-Gladney,Hakewil', '[color=darkblue:c25a752ffb]Hi Folks,[/color:c25a752ffb]
[color=darkred:c25a752ffb]
Revision Movement - Richard S. Gladney
Southern Presbyterian review, Volume 10 (1858)
http://books.google.com/books?id=7W3UAAAAMAAJ

1. The character of the age in which they lived.—&quot;

The age in which our translation was made was pre-eminently a learned age. In science and the arts, that in which we live is, we admit, greatly beyond its predecessors. But so far as learning and scholarship is concerned, we do affirm there never has been an age equal to it. There never was an age so distinguished by so many illustrious scholars in every department of classical and biblical learning. Where do we go for profound original information on Latin, Greek or Oriental Literature? Where are the great storehouses from which our bookmakers draw their Lexicons, their Grammars, their Commentaries? Was Melancthon a mere Latin scholar? Did Roger Ascham know nothing of Greek ? Were Erpenius, and Golius, and Pococke, unacquainted with Arabic? Was Hebrew a dead letter to such men as Buxtorf, Morinus, Pagninus, Arias Montanus, Tremellius, Junius, Beza, Castell, Walton and Pool ? Where is the Public Library, three-fourths of whose volumes on sacred philology are not dated in the 16th and 17th centuries ? We find in this period among the magnates of Oriental and Classical learning besides those already mentioned, such names as Budaeus, Erasmus, Turnebus, the Scaligers, P. Manutius, Aldus Manutius the younger, Casaubon, Fagius, the Morels, Gesner, Fabricus, Morus, Glass, Capellus, Grotius, Usher, Lightfoot, Montfaucon, Vossius, Heinsius, (father and son), Bochart, Meursius, Robert and Henry Stephens, all of them scholars of the very highest order; to say nothing of the incomparable divines, and illustrious authors of every sort and in every nation, who flourished during the same period. Now, though all these were not living at the time our translation was made, yet a majority of them were cotemporary with the translators; and they show the general character of the age, that it was the age of great men, especially of great scholars. The eighteenth century excelled it in science and works of taste. But for men of profound erudition, beyond all contradiction there never was such a period since the foundation of the world. The turn which the Reformation took, and the great controversies, between the Papacy and its opposers, appealing at every step to the original languages of the Scriptures, made Greek and Hebrew what politics is now, the great absorbing topic of the world. Critical editions of the Bible and of Classical authors were published on a scale and in a style utterly unparalleled. The immense Thesaurus of the Greek language, by Henry Stephens; the Rabbinical Lexicon, of Buxtorf; the Arabic Lexicon, of Golius ; the Hierozoicon, of Bochart, the twelve folio volumes of Meursius on Grecian Antiquities, are but specimens of the thorough-going manner in which the scholars of that day handled every subject which they attempted. It is impossible even to glance at their productions without a profound veneration of their scholarship, only equalled by our amazement at the effrontery which would call it in question. Their very printers were learned men. Even their books of devotion are so crowded with Greek and Hebrew that many a sciolist of these days could not read a page in them without his Lexicon and Grammar, who yet would not blush to call himself a scholar, or to attempt with some &quot; consulted aids &quot; to make &quot;a new translation of the Bible.&quot;

Dr. George Hakewell, a cotemporary, in a work first published in 1627, says,

    \'This latter age hath herein so far excelled, that all the great learned scholars, who have of late risen, especially if they adhered to the Reformed Churches, have been by friars and such like people, in a kind of scorn, termed grammarians. But these grammarians are they who presented us with so many exact translations out of Hebrew and Greek. into Latin, and again out of Latin into other languages. To which may be added the exquisite help of dictionaries, lexicons and grammars, in this latter age, beyond the precedent, not only for the easier learning of the western languages, Latin, Italian, Spanish, and French, but especially the eastern, the Hebrew, the Chaldaic, the Syriac, the Arabic. Of all the ancient fathers, but only two (among the Latins, St. Jerome, and Origen among the Grecians), are found to have excelled in the Oriental languages; this last century having afforded more skillful men in that way than the other fifteen since Christ.\' 

Now is it probable that, only twenty years before this testimony was written, the monarch of an enlightened nation, himself proud of being thought a learned man, and ambitious to effect a version of the Scriptures that might be quoted as the great glory of his reign, should not be able, out of fifty-four of the principal scholars in the Kingdom, including the Hebrew and Greek professors of the Universities, and the most distinguished heads and fellows of the several Colleges, to obtain any learned and honest enough to &quot;translate directly from the original.&quot; But laying aside all probabilities, what are the known facts of the case as recorded by unquestioned contemporary historians ? Who were the venerable men called by King James to this celebrated undertaking ? (the article continues with the specific translators)&quot; — (p. 510-512)
[/color:c25a752ffb][color=darkblue:c25a752ffb]
The George Hakewill work is :
Apologie or Declaration of the Power and Providence of God (1627).

Found this morning and posted on FFF :
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/70880-riplingers-incorrect-claims-in-her-new-book-14.html

Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:c25a752ffb]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1423', '20d0d84301', 'Heaven to Earth transfer', '1. The Scripture in Heaven, incorrupt, perfect and true. 

2. Perfect textual inspiration. The autographs were word for word flawless.

3. Full textual preservation. In the sum of all copies, the exact text of inspiration was present in the world, despite the loss of the autographs.

4. Total textual recovery. Through the process of the Reformation, the exact text of the autographs was recovered and given in one Bible.

5. Infallible and inerrant inspiration. The Scripture in the autographs was entirely true.

6. Preservation of the exact sense. Proper meaning of the Scripture was available in the world, despite the limits of human knowledge, etc.

7. Complete sense translation. Through the process of the Reformation, the complete sense was given in one translation of the Bible.

8. Purification of the presentation of the King James Bible. The successive removal of printing errors, standardisation of the text and other regularisation purified the presentation of the English B Bible.

9. Conclusion at a final edition. The process of purification came to a finite perfect form.

10. Scrupulous exactness of typography. The exact jot and tittle of Scripture was presented in English.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1424', '274cb6affe', 'The LXX', '[b:274cb6affe]DID PAUL USE the GREEK SEPTUAGINT (LXX) for 1 COR. 2:16?

Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit (pneuma, spirit) of your mind (&#957;&#959;&#965;&#957;, noun).

Isa 40:13 Who hath directed the Spirit (ruach) of the LORD, or being his counselor hath taught him?

Isa. 40:13 Who has known the mind (&#957;&#959;&#965;&#957;) of the Lord? And who hath been his counseler, to instruct him? (LXX English translation)

Isa. 40:13 	&#964;&#953;&#962; &#949;&#947;&#957;&#969; &#957;&#959;&#965;&#957; &#954;&#965;&#961;&#953;&#959;&#965;; kai &#964;&#953;&#962; &#945;&#965;&#964;&#959;&#965; &#963;&#965;&#956;&#946;o&#965;&#955;&#959;&#962; &#949;&#947;&#949;&#957;&#949;&#964;&#959; &#959;&#962; &#963;&#965;&#956;&#946;&#953;&#946;&#945; &#945;&#965;&#964;&#959;&#957;. (Greek LXX)

1Co 2:16 	&#964;&#953;&#962; &#947;&#945;&#961; &#949;&#947;&#957;&#969; &#957;&#959;&#965;&#957; &#954;&#965;&#961;&#953;&#959;&#965; &#959;&#962; &#963;&#965;&#956;&#946;&#953;&#946;&#945;&#963;&#949;&#953; &#945;&#965;&#964;&#959;&#957; &#951;&#956;&#949;&#953;&#962; &#948;&#949; &#957;&#959;&#965;&#957; &#967;&#961;&#953;&#963;&#964;&#959;&#965; &#949;&#967;&#959;&#956;&#949;&#957; (Greek N.T.)

1Co 2:16  For who hath known the mind (&#957;&#959;&#965;&#957;) of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind (&#957;&#959;&#965;&#957;) of Christ. (KJB)

Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind (&#957;&#959;&#965;&#957;) of the Lord? or who hath been his counselor? [/b:274cb6affe]

Certain Bible Correctors make a lot of fuss, claiming that Paul used the Greek LXX word &#957;&#959;&#965;&#957; (noun) or mind in 1 Cor. 2:16, while quoting Isa 40:13, which has the Hebrew “ruach” or Spirit instead of mind. Depending on the severity of one’s Bible Correcting, the Hebrew is made to be wrong and the Greek Septuagint correct or else Paul is merely made to decide to use the Septuagint (which no one has proven to be in existence, at that time, let alone Paul having possessed or having access to it. Whatever similarities Paul had with the first clause of the Greek LXX in regard to Isa. 40:13 (yet with some difference), Paul certainly did not follow the second LXX clause.

Ephesians 4:23 demonstrates that the mind has a spirit. Moreover, the mind, the spirit, along with the “heart” and “understanding” are flexible enough to be used synonymously in some places, whether Hebrew, Greek, or English. Needless to say, the LXX uses the Greek word &#957;&#959;&#965;&#957; (noun) for mind in about a dozen places in different ways (even per the English translation of the Septuagint), whereas Paul repeatedly uses the Greek word &#957;&#959;&#965;&#957; for &quot;mind&quot; throughout his epistles (and also &quot;understanding&quot; in a few other places) apart from the LXX, But Bible Correctors operate with “coinkydinks,” imaginations, and opinions rather than with substance. 

For Bible Correctors to zero in on one place, 1 Cor. 2:16, because the O.T. Hebrew uses “Spirit”(ruach) and the LXX uses &quot;mind (&#957;&#959;&#965;&#957;),” is quite a stretch. We know that O.T. quotes are quoted in the N.T. and do not always use the same exact words, so to build one\'s whole anti-Hebrew case of a pre-Christ LXX on one Greek word,  at the expense of faulting the O.T. Hebrew “ruach,” seems to destroy the Bible Corrector\'s claim of studying the Bible in its original languages. But then, aren’t Bible Correctors also willing to fault the Hebrew age of the kings 22/42 in order to fault the KJB English? So what else is new? Such a circular argument in which “spirit” is replaced by “mind” by Paul, is not only an inconclusive argument but is to ignore the other places in which the KJB translators, like Paul, render “ruach” as mind in the O.T.

[b:274cb6affe]The Use of &#957;&#959;&#965;&#957; (noun) in the LXX[/b:274cb6affe]

[b:274cb6affe]Exo 7:23 KJB - And Pharaoh turned and went into his house, neither did he set his heart (leb) to this also. [/b:274cb6affe]

The Septuagint has the Greek word “&#957;&#959;&#965;&#957;&quot; here and the Septuagint translation is attention.
[b:274cb6affe]
Job 7:17 KJB - What is man, that thou shouldest magnify him? and that thou shouldest set thine heart (leb) upon him? [/b:274cb6affe]

The Septuagint has the Greek word “&#957;&#959;&#965;&#957;” here and the Septuagint translation is give heed.

[b:274cb6affe]Isa 10:7 KJB - Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart (lebab) think so; but it is in his heart (lebab) to destroy and cut off nations not a few. [/b:274cb6affe]

The Septuagint has the Greek word “psuche” (soul) instead of the Hebrew and KJB’s first “heart” and has &#957;&#959;&#965;&#957; for the second KJB “heart” and the Greek Septuagint’s translates it “mind.”

[b:274cb6affe]Isa 10:12  . . . when the Lord hath performed his whole work upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart (lebab) of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his high looks. [/b:274cb6affe]

The Septuagint has the Greek word &#957;&#959;&#965;&#957; here and the Septuagint translates it heart as in the KJB.

[b:274cb6affe]Job 7:20 I have sinned; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver5341 of men? why hast thou set me as a mark against thee, so that I am a burden to myself? [/b:274cb6affe]

The Septuagint has the Greek word &#957;&#959;&#965;&#957; here and the Septuagint translates it “mind” but is totally different than the O.T. Hebrew and the KJB.  

[b:274cb6affe]Job 33:16 Then he openeth the ears241 of men, and sealeth their instruction, a to espy out the land; and I brought him word again as it was in mine heart. [/b:274cb6affe]

The Septuagint has the Greek word &#957;&#959;&#965;&#957; here and the Septuagint translates it understanding. 

[b:274cb6affe]Isa 41:22  Let them bring them forth, and show us what shall happen: let them show the former things, what they be, that we may consider7760, 3820 them . . . [/b:274cb6affe]

The Septuagint has the Greek word &#957;&#959;&#965;&#957; here and the Septuagint translates it understanding. 

[b:274cb6affe]Pro 29:11 A fool uttereth all his mind (ruach, spirit): but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards. [/b:274cb6affe]

The Septuagint has no pneuma (spirit) but has the Greek word “PSUCHE” (SOUL), and the Septuagint translates it “utters all his mind,” while the Hebrew has “ruach” (spirit), translated mind by the KJB. 

[b:274cb6affe]Gen 26:35 Which were a grief of mind (ruach, spirit) unto Isaac and to Rebekah. [/b:274cb6affe]

The corrupt Septuagint does not have either the Greek &#957;&#959;&#965;&#957; (mind) or PNUEMA (spirit) here, and the Septuagint translation has “were provoking to,” whereas the KJB has “mind” for the Hebrew Ruach. The Hebrew has ruach (spirit) here may be a similar decision that Paul made rather than following the LXX. 

[b:274cb6affe]Eze 11:5 And the Spirit (ruach) of the LORD fell upon me, and said unto me, Speak; Thus saith the LORD; Thus have ye said, O house of Israel: for I know the things that come into your mind (ruach) . . . [/b:274cb6affe]

The Septuagint has the word PNUEMA here and translates it thusly and the Septuagint translation is Spirit, while the KJB renders ruach (spirit) both spirit and mind in the same verse, demonstrating their flexibility.

[b:274cb6affe]Eze 20:32 And that which cometh into your mind (ruach) shall not be at all . . . [/b:274cb6affe]

The Septuagint has the word PNUEMA here and the Septuagint translates it Spirit.

[b:274cb6affe]Dan 5:20 But when his heart was lifted up, and his mind (ruach) hardened in pride, he was deposed from his kingly throne, and they took his glory from him: [/b:274cb6affe]

The Septuagint has the word PNUEMA here and the Septuagint translates it Spirit, while the KJB says “mind.” 

[b:274cb6affe]Hab 1:11 Then shall his mind (ruach or spirit) change, and he shall pass over, and offend, imputing this his power unto his god. [/b:274cb6affe]

The LXX has pneuma (spirit) and translates it so. The KJB renders it a “mind” change rather than a “spirit” change, a complete reversal of Bible Correctors’ claims.[/b]

Obviously, the KJB translators were aware of the flexibility and sometime synonymy of these Hebrew and Greek and English words as Paul was aware. Bible Correctors therefore have not made their conclusive case for their pre-Christ/Paul Septuagint by this coinkydink.  
 
[b:274cb6affe]– Herb Evans[/b:274cb6affe]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1425', 'c1326e94d2', '', 'And the division between the two paths and their related camps will become even more broad and clear as time draws to a close.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1426', 'ec0a054af3', 'Look.', 'You might like to look at Bibleprotector\'s dialogue in the following:
http://finalauthority48270.yuku.com/topic/1875');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1427', 'e3393df7fb', '', '[i:e3393df7fb]One of the main arguments used against the BC LXX is the idea that Egypt is evil, and since the LXX was made in Egypt, it must be a deception that the LXX existed BC.

However, while the Bible does show that Egypt was a type of the world in Exodus (see Hebrews 11:26), and a furnace (Deut. 4:20), and a house of bondage (Exodus 13:3), and that trusting Egyptian strength is vain (Isaiah 31:1), and other negative references (Isaiah 19 or 51:9), there are also positive references.

I do not give positive references to justify the LXX, just to show that trying to say that the LXX cannot be right because it comes from Egypt is unbalanced. It comes down to not dividing the Word of God properly.

According to the law of first mention, Abraham went to Egypt in Genesis 12:10 to escape a famine.

Abraham obtained great riches in Egypt.

Joseph became second in charge of Egypt. Jacobs family moved there and were blessed all their days.

After all this, when Josiah had prepared the temple, Necho king of Egypt came up to fight against Carchemish by Euphrates: and Josiah went out against him. But he sent ambassadors to him, saying, What have I to do with thee, thou king of Judah? I come not against thee this day, but against the house wherewith I have war: for God commanded me to make haste: forbear thee from meddling with God, who is with me, that he destroy thee not. Nevertheless Josiah would not turn his face from him, but disguised himself, that he might fight with him, and hearkened not unto the words of Necho from the mouth of God, and came to fight in the valley of Megiddo. (2 Chronicles 35:2022).

Also, there is an interesting future prophecy for Egypt: And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them. And the LORD shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the LORD in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the LORD, and perform it. And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them. In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians. In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land (Isaiah 19:2024).

Who took power in Egypt the same year Burgon was fighting the Revised Version (1882)? The British. What Bible did the Australians Forces read when in Egypt, during the First World War (1915)? Cambridge printed King James Bibles. Where did Joseph take Mary and Jesus to escape persecution? Egypt. Psalm 68 prophesies that the KJB-based Christianity should have power there: Princes shall come out of Egypt; Ethiopia shall soon stretch out her hands unto God. (Psalm 68:31).

Therefore, while the LXX is corrupt, its BC existence should not be denied on the basis of considering Egypt unconvertible. 

* * * * * * *

Apparently, the LXX cannot be the Word because it was at least in part translated by Jews who were not of the tribe of Levi. There is no solid evidence concerning who exactly translated the LXX, but it was done at the command of King Ptolemy Philadelph.

1. 1 Chronicles 16:4 in no way limits inspiration, copying or translation of the Bible to Levites alone, And he appointed certain of the Levites to minister before the ark of the LORD, and to record, and to thank and praise the LORD God of Israel.

2. There are various books of the Bible by people under inspiration who are not of the tribe of Levi, including Joshua, many psalms, Daniel and all New Testament books.

3. There are various copies made in the Old Testament where it is not expressly stated that they were made by Levites, such as, THESE are also proverbs of Solomon, which the men of Hezekiah king of Judah copied out. (Proverbs 25:1).

4. Limitation to the Levites is not the implication of Old Testament prophecy, such as, The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it. (Psalm 68:11). For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent. (Zephaniah 3:9).

5. Paul was a Pharisee who had studied the Old Testament, yet he was of the tribe of Benjamin, showing that scholars or scribes did not have to be limited to the tribe of Levi.

* * * * * * 

The Letter of Aristeas is a forgery and a fake.

Why then reject the historical existence of the translation of seventy interpreters as an entity? The Letter of Aristeas being false does not mean that the actual LXX is false. That would be like us rejecting the KJB because someone wrote a discredited/hoax/urban myth email years ago saying that Shakespeare edited the KJB, and secretly put his name into the Psalms.

Like the Shakespeare email, there are some facts in it. Thus, the present knowledge of the LXX is that it was indeed translated by Jews under Ptolemy Philadelph in 275 BC. But our lack of detailed knowledge on its history does not mean that a BC LXX is fiction. On the contrary, most myths have some basis in facts.

The external considerations, such as the lack of any existing pre-Origenic manuscript other than what may be gathered from New Testament quotations, does not disprove that a BC LXX existed.

The internal considerations, such as signs of tampering and matching to New Testament quotations, only shows that Origen was responsible for the present &quot;edition&quot; of the LXX.

Since the post-Origenic LXX does not match exactly to New Testament quotations, it may be deduced that there would be even less similarity between the pre-Origenic LXX and the Apostles\' quotations from it. This was because the Holy Ghost, by inspriation, was leading them to write the Scripture correctly in Greek, which meant often departing from the LXX. 

* * * * * * *

The difference between the NT quotes of the OT are because of the Septuagint. And because of the Holy Ghost\'s guidance under inspiration, which means there was never an exact identity between the NT quotations and the LXX to start with.

Origen certainly edited the LXX as well, and while attempting to create one standard text, also would have attempted to make the LXX closer to NT quotations of the OT. Because of the principle of the common faith (Hills talks about how Beza could not totally change TR readings to suit his Calvinistic bias because of the common ownership of all Christians, who would have rejected his work) Origen could not outrightly change the LXX text to make it identical to the apostolic quotations, but he would seek to make it near as he could within his bounds.

Thus, at no time, either before or after Origen is the LXX going to be the same as the Apostolic quotations. I am theorising there will be a closeness to the LXX before Origen, and only slightly more closeness to the LXX after Origen.

I wonder if the information concerning Josephus really meant &quot;paraphrasing&quot; or &quot;recasting into a narrative&quot;, or perhaps, translating the Scripture from Hebrew (or the LXX) into Latin? [/i:e3393df7fb]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1428', '245162d073', '', 'Here\'s more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpcdB4H6gzk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAlcXwiDcfc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMuiaXA_QB4');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1429', '6621461b25', '', 'I read with interest these replies and their admonitions not to try to prove a BC LXX by various data and means. Trying to prove such a negative is paramount to trying to prove that the moon is not made of green cheese or that there are no people on Mars. Still, where is the positive proof of a BC LXX? Obviously there were early attempts to translate some of the Hebrew Bible into the Greek, but that does not mean or even suggest that there was a BC LXX. My IP effort was not to try to disprove a BC LXX but to prove that Paul\'s quote  of Isa. 40:13 in 1 Cor. 2:16 did not prove  a BC LXX as some allege. -- Herb Evans');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1430', '3068363f88', 'KJB', 'I was also using the New King James after I was born again (early 90\'s). A number of years ago now the Lord revealed to me the truth about the King James Bible and now I will not compromise.

I am blessed to be a part of Victory Faith Centre Geelong, where the word is preached from the pure and perfect KJ Bible! Praise the Lord for Pastor Craig and elders Samantha and Matthew.

Regards
Katrina Fisher');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1431', '48a2126b12', 'book resources', '[color=darkblue:48a2126b12]Hi Folks,

 Yesterday I ordered a few used books.  

Translating for King James
God\'s Secretaries
Wide as the Waters

 About $20 for the Ward Allen book, hardcover.

(for a while it was even cheaper from Powells, yet that one vanished while I tried to put an order together .. surprised me a smidgen :)  .. Powells has a great deal in the USA of free shipping on a $50 order and lots of fine books under $5 and even under $2.) 

  And $5 each for the other two, shipping included, from half.com.

  Also picked up Exegetical Fallacies, God Crucified (Richard Bauckham), Living Torah (which should have some rabbinic commentaries).  The first two for apologetics and doctrine and learning.

  And about 20-25 other books at about $1.50 each, free shipping with the $50 order, from Powells.  Some stuff that sounds quite nice to have and read and study.  Overall I was quite pleased with the deals, especially as you are buying books under $2 with free shipping ! 

  David Norton\'s books are partially online and I have a local university library with easy access.  Some others like David Daniell and Olga Opfell I either did not see any real deals or they did not seem as helpful.  Didn\'t see any special deals on Peter Ruckman books (looking e.g. for Manuscript Evidences).  Probably there are some others that I might think of if I rattled my synapses. Maybe next batch.

  Now there are two books that are only library available, and if you have any skills and connections with the universities and EEBO and such, please share away.  I would have to try some bureacratic methods (inter-library loan or visiting universities in the city). Note the EEBO and microfilm possibilities.

  Life and Death of Henry Jessey  
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/18207164 

  Six sermons of Thomas Hill  
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/9088621/editions?editionsView=true&amp;referer=di

  A third, that would be interesting, would be the Miles Smith sermons.

  Miles Smith - 
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/4418086/editions?editionsView=true&amp;referer=di

  Interestingly the Samuel Ward sermons are easily available, e.g.
http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?item_no=1516971

  Any ideas on on the first three will be appreciated.

Shalom,
Steven Avery  
[/color:48a2126b12]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1432', '4cadad4ddd', 'What is faith?', 'As discussed in an earlier post, it\'s necessary to be patient in waiting for the manifestation of what you are believing God for. In Mark 11:22, 23, Christ commands us to have faith in God, and to speak to the mountain. The mountain represents the problem, whatever it is that you want to overcome. In our lives, it\'s valuable to consistently speak to that mountain, in faith. This involves declaring the victory over it, even before you see it, because God says you have the victory. 

&quot;But thanks [i:4cadad4ddd]be [/i:4cadad4ddd]to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.&quot; (1 Cor. 15:57)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1433', '90165e938d', '', '&quot;Wide as the Waters&quot; is a good general book.

&quot;God\'s Secretaries&quot; is scholarly, but content wise far inferior to something like McClure.

I have also ordered one of Ward Allen\'s books.

You will find that they are fairly second- or third-hand in their information.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1434', '320818169f', 'KJB historical book review time', '[color=darkblue:320818169f]Hi Folks,

At the university library I noticed that Wide as the Waters was quite readable on things like the historical milieu of the 1600s, Cromwell and the rebellion, I enjoyed the style. God\'s Secretaries I only got because the price was right, maybe I\'ll see some good sections. 

Translating for King James I bought because I saw it might be good on some technical stuff with John Bois, I was ready to photocopy away at the library -- buying the book was the same as the potential photocopy cost.  I see Ward Allen also has Coming of King James Gospels and Translating the New Testament Epistles for a trifecta, which then becomes a bit of an investment, another $50 or more used.

By 2nd or 3rd hand are you referring to the difficulty of saying anything definitive about such notes ?  Or is that more about  the more historical books, that end up repeating McClure and other sources, which all is largely from a few 1600s sources ?

McClure is fully available on the Net, although it would be good to have a print copy, for about $15 USA.  His writing on the Bancroft alteration issue, copied by many,  reduced a smidgen the McClure allure. 

The book by Laurence Vance may be of some interest, he has an extensive bibliography and he is responsive on legit questions and did do some first-hand UK research.  That might be necessary for the Miles Smith sermons mentioned above.  (Addition to above, a Samuel Ward diary book to go with the sermons, by John W. Cowart, available in hardcopy and download versions (Lulu), reasonable.)

The bibliography of Marlowe also mentions Edwin Eliott Willoughby, The making of the King James Bible. Los Angeles: Plantin Press, 1956 which is rarely mentioned.  Similarly Frank Ely Gaebelein, Down through the Ages ; the story of the King James Bible. New York, The Macmillan company, 1924. 

Also the book by Daiches The King James version of the English Bible: an account of the development and sources of the English Bible of 1611 with special reference to the Hebrew tradition likely has the most extensive section on KJB Hebraics.  There is a dedicated 20+ page Hebraics section and I plan to look at it at and photocopy the section at another university library. Possibly worth the $30 investment, if there are other good sections.

And there is Alister McGrath, not expensive but unclear whether it offers much different or new. A prolific writer, some books look interesting, and the KJB book can be on my next Powells no-shipping-charge order. Maybe a bit in the mode of Bauckham, Hurtado, Nanos and other UK writers of having some material far above the USA pablum norm.

And Gustavis Paine (fully net available and with a solid bibliography), likely good to have hardcopy if inexpensive. Olga Opfell (also online, a relatively modest work) is mentioned above.  

David Daniell (Tyndale aficionado) is in the realm of books about the English Bible as a whole.  Took it out from my regular library, at $20 it will be hard to justify as a purchase in any early library stages.

Scrivener\'s works I think are all on the net and Norton\'s three English Bible books overlap, The one that is especially  KJB &quot;Textual History of the King James Bible&quot; is partly on the net and would fit with Ward Allen and Scrivener in that special genre.  Too pricey for purchase concern, a library read.

So is that complete, more or less ?

In another realm, The Influence of Theodore Beza on the English New Testament by Irena Dorota Backus (1980) has some special interest (and of course there is a large Erasmus book world) as possibly a good study that could touch on some of the specific verse questions like Luke 2:22. And later re: Beza\'s NT labours there is the Jan Krans techie stuff, where he often helps with the tech while missing the conceptual basics.

Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:320818169f]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1435', 'af27100e88', 'Like to read.', '[quote:af27100e88]Translating for King James I bought[/quote:af27100e88]
That sounds like a book I\'d like to read some day.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1436', '8f1c672a3b', 'Re: KJB historical book review time', '&quot;Wide as the waters&quot; is excellent. Even better than McGrath, who has a similar book called &quot;In the beginning&quot;.

In UK / Australia, &quot;Wide as the waters&quot; is called &quot;The making of the English Bible&quot;.

Also, I have &quot;God\'s secretaries&quot;, but in UK / Australia it is called &quot;Power and glory&quot;.

I haven\'t read Ward Allen yet, but David Norton seems to defer to him a lot.

[quote:8f1c672a3b]By 2nd or 3rd hand are you referring to the difficulty of saying anything definitive about such notes ?[/quote:8f1c672a3b]

I mean that they are all really telling the same story over and again, just with their own slant. Clearly, some who have quite an anti- view, like Norton, Nicholson and Daniell, will go to some lengths to attempt to demote the KJB. Norton spends his time attacking AVolotry. Nicholson spreads all kinds of tales. Daniell tries to make the KJB a bad revision of the Geneva. Etc.

As for McClure\'s quote about Bancroft, I believe the source is Anderson. Anderson gives his source in Vol. 2, pg. 378 (1845 edn) of the American scholar\'s work, &quot;Annals of the English Bible&quot;:

[color=brown:8f1c672a3b]It is of more importance to remark, that it has been imagined there 
were other words, or a list, to the number of fourteen or sixteen attached 
to the third rule, and specified by the KING. But this, as well as that 
the instructions were drawn up by him personally, strongly appears to 
be a popular mistake. At least, after minute inquiry, we have found no 
such list. Meanwhile, the following statement most probably accounts for 
the rumour. The learned Henry Jessey being engaged for many years 
in critical inquiries, drew up an essay for the amendment of this last re 
vision of the Bible, and in conjunction with Mr. John Row, Professor of 
Hebrew, the Principal of King s College, Aberdeen, he aimed after a new 
version. In his Essay, he says that one Dr. Hill declared in open as 
sembly that Bancroft &quot; would needs have the version speak the prelati- 
cal language ; and to that end altered it in fourteen several places ; and 
that Dr. Miles Smith, one of the translators, complained of the Bishop s 
alterations, but said &quot; he is so potent that there is no contradicting him.&quot;[/color:8f1c672a3b] 

Anderson\'s source is Jessey/Row, who quotes from Dr Hill, very third hand.

Thus, Norris might quote McClure, who relied upon Anderson, who wrote about Jessey/Row who took hearsay from a Dr Hill. While there could indeed be truth to Bancroft\'s work, the whole story comes via a Presbyterian-led desire for a new translation.

In short, I wouldn\'t think that folks like McClure are &quot;tarnished&quot; just because they reference such historical claims (as jelly-like as they are).

If you trawl through Google books and through Archive.org, you\'ll find numerous old treasures (and some others elsewhere):

A century of Bibles by W. Loftie
A plea for the recieved text by S. C. Malan
An authentic account by Henry John Todd
Annals of the English Bible by Christopher Anderson
The Authorized Edition by F. H. A. Scrivener
Authorized or Revised? by C. J. VAUGHAN
Our English Bible by J. O. BEVAN
The Authorized Version of the Bible and its Influence By Albert S. Cook
Bible English by T. LEWIS O. DAVIES
Defense of the Version of King James by Samuel Fuller
Old Bibles by Dore
Holy Bible, exact reprint of 1611, 1833
The Greatest English Classic by C B McAfee
OUR GRAND OLD BIBLE by William Muir
The King James Bible Translators By Olga S. Opfell
OUR BIBLE BY NEHEMIAH ADAMS
Oxford Bibles by Edward Cardwell
A. W. Pollard\'s 1911 introduction in the facsimile of the 1833 reprint of the 1611 edition.
Report of the history (American Bible Society) 1851
The revision revised by J. W. Burgon
Studies in the syntax by J. M. Grainger
THE BIBLE COUNTRY BY JABEZ T. SUNDERLAND
THE BOOK OF BOOKS AND ITS WONDERFUL STORY by J. W. Lea
Bible in the Church by Westcott
General view by Westcott
The translators revived by McClure

Can you give the URL for Gustavis Paine\'s work?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1437', '3fe5825dc2', 'book resources - online reference materials - list', '[color=darkblue:3fe5825dc2]Hi Folks,[/color:3fe5825dc2]

[quote:3fe5825dc2=\"bibleprotector\"]Can you give the URL for Gustavis Paine\'s work?[/quote:3fe5825dc2][color=darkblue:3fe5825dc2]
They have the date wrong, so it is there by accident.[/color:3fe5825dc2]
[color=darkred:3fe5825dc2]
The Learned Men (1959)
Gustavis Paine
http://www.archive.org/details/learnedmen009479mbp
Reprint - &quot;The Men Behind the King James Version&quot; Baker (1977)[/color:3fe5825dc2]
[color=darkblue:3fe5825dc2]
And I\'ll add a few more to consider, not on your list above. A couple below may have been designed as revision propaganda, most of that genre I do not include on these lists.
[/color:3fe5825dc2][color=darkred:3fe5825dc2]
An Historical Account of the Several Translations of the Bible and the Opposition they met from the Church of Rome (1730) 
Anthony Johnson
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&amp;id=Kt4CAAAAQAAJ (full view)
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 99 110 pages $20.00 

An essay upon the influence of the translation of the Bible upon English Literature (1830)
William Thomas Petty (later FitzMaurice), Earl of Kerry, Lord Kerry
http://books.google.com/books?id=ITcHAAAAQAAJ

The Existing Monopoly, an Inadequate Protection, of the Authorised Version of Scriptures  (1833)
Thomas Curtis
http://books.google.com/books?id=jI6I4xjYuqkC

The text of the English Bible, as now printed by the universities : considered with reference to a report by a sub-committee of dissenting ministers (1833)
Thomas Turton
http://www.archive.org/details/textofenglishbib00turtrich

A supplement to the authorised English version of the New Testament : being a critical illustration of its more difficult passages from the Syriac, Latin and earlier English versions, with an introduction (1845)
F. H. A. Scrivener
http://www.archive.org/details/supplementtoauth00scri

A collation of the principal English translations of the sacred Scriptures (1847)
Charles Roger
http://books.google.com/books?id=UK4GAAAAQAAJ

A list of editions of the Holy Scriptures and parts thereof printed in America Previous to 1860 (1861) 
Edmund Bailey O\'Callaghan 
http://books.google.com/books?id=i_oWAAAAYAAJ

The historic origin of the Bible: a handbook of principal facts from the Best Recent Authorities, German and English (1873 1ed)
Edwin Cone Bissell
http://books.google.com/books?id=amo2AAAAMAAJ
http://www.archive.org/details/thehistoricorigi00bissuoft

Our English bible : its translations and translators (1878)
John Stoughton
http://www.archive.org/details/ourenglishbiblei00stouiala
http://books.google.com/books?id=_6UCAAAAQAAJ

The history of the English Bible: extending from earliest Saxon translations to the present Anglo-American Revision (1882)
Blackford Condit
http://books.google.com/books?id=7wsXAAAAYAAJ

The English revisers\' Greek text shown to be unauthorized except by Egyptian copies discarded by Greeks and to be opposed to the historic text of all ages and churches (1882)
George Whitefield Sampson
http://www.archive.org/details/englishrevisersg00sams

A hand-book of the English versions of the Bible: with copious examples Illustrating the Ancestry and Relationship of the Several Versions, and Comparative Tables (1883)
J. I Mombert
http://books.google.com/books?id=AjUXAAAAYAAJ

Early Bibles of America: being a descriptive account of Bibles published in the United States, Mexico and Canda (1894)
John W. Wright
http://books.google.com/books?id=6fgy9lP97YkC
http://books.google.com/books?id=4UoMAAAAYAAJ

The that-clause in the Authorized version of the Bible (1910)
Hubert Gibson Shearin
http://www.archive.org/details/thatclauseinauthav00shea

The Authorised Version of the English Bible, 1611 (1909)
[A literal reprint, with a list of variations between the two issues of 1611.]
http://www.archive.org/details/authorizedversio01wrig Vol 1
http://www.archive.org/details/authorizedversio02wrig Vol 2
http://www.archive.org/details/authorizedversio03wrig Vol 3
http://www.archive.org/details/authorisedversio04wrig Vol 4
http://www.archive.org/details/authorisedversio05wrig Vol 5
William Aldis Wright

The evolution of the English Bible: a historical sketch of the successive versions from 1382 to 1885 (1901)
http://books.google.com/books?id=hgUXAAAAYAAJ
Our English Bible : the story of its origin and growth (1911)
http://www.archive.org/details/ourenglishbible00hoaruoft
Henry William Hoare

William James Heaton 
Our Own English Bible : Its Translators And their Work
The Manuscript Period (through Wycliffe) Vol 1
http://www.archive.org/details/ourownenglishbib00heat 
The Bible of the Reformation : its translators and their work  Vol 2 (1910)
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/4243807&amp;referer=brief_results
The Puritan Bible and other contemporaneous Protestant versions&#8206; (1913) Vol 3
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/3214358&amp;referer=brief_results
http://www.amazon.com/Puritan-Bible-Contemporaneous-Protestant-Versions/dp/111216412X

The Bible and the Anglo-Saxon People (1914)
http://www.archive.org/details/bibleanglosaxonp00cantrich
http://books.google.com/books?id=u8ZCAAAAIAAJ
William Canton

Introduction to early modern English  (1921)
Manfred Görlach 
http://books.google.com/books?id=y9ChTlB59BAC

Which Version? Authorized or Revised ? (1924)
Philip Mauro
http://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/1924_mauro_which-version.html
Vance - Classic Reprints #41 - 119 pages $20 

Our Authorized Bible Vindicated (1930)
Benjamin George Wilkinson
http://www.temcat.com/Wilkinson/AuthorizedBibleTOC.htm
Answers to Objections - A Reply to the Review of My Book
http://www.temcat.com/Answers2Objections/Answers-TOC.htm

The literary lineage of the King James Bible, 1340-1611 (1941)
Charles C. Butterworth 
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/1485092&amp;referer=brief_results

The King James version of the English Bible: an account of the development and sources of the English Bible of 1611 with special reference to the Hebrew tradition (1941)
David Daiches
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/355561/editions?editionsView=true&amp;referer=br
http://www.amazon.com/King-James-Version-English-Bible/dp/0208004939

Church, monarch, and Bible in sixteenth century England (2000)
Roland H. Worth 
http://books.google.com/books?id=BGhHm155A5AC[/color:3fe5825dc2]
[color=darkblue:3fe5825dc2]
Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:3fe5825dc2]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1438', '2f9c0785f4', 'Re: KJB historical book review time', '[color=darkblue:2f9c0785f4]Hi Folks,

A second group.  
These are largely ones mentioned above given with more info.[/color:2f9c0785f4]
[color=brown:2f9c0785f4]
Henry John Todd
A vindication of our Authorized translation and translators of the Bible; and of preceding English versions authoritatively commended to the notice of those translators: occasioned by certain objections made by Mr. John Bellamy in his late translation of the book of Genesis, and by Sir James Bland Burgess... (1819)
http://books.google.com/books?id=1GgqJAAACAAJ (no view)
Vance -Classic Reprints No. 36 1819 158 pages $25.00 
---  (Todd continues)
An Authentic Account of our Authorized Translation and  Translators  of  the  Bible;  
With Testimonies to the Excellence of the Translation  (1838 3rd ed)
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&amp;id=ISECAAAAQAAJ (full view)
http://www.archive.org/details/anauthenticacco00toddgoog

Oxford Bibles, Mr. Curtis\' misrepresentations exposed in a Letter to the Editor of the British Magazine (1833)
Edward Cardwell 
http://books.google.com/books?id=r4oIAAAAQAAJ

The Holy Bible, an exact reprint page for page of the Authorized Version published in the year 1611 (1833)
http://www.archive.org/details/holybibleexactre00oxfouoft

The annals of the English Bible (1845)
Christopher Anderson
http://www.archive.org/details/annalsofthebible01andeuoft - Vol 1
http://www.archive.org/details/annalsofthebible02andeuoft - Vol 2
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZzoXAAAAYAAJ - (1862, V 1&amp;2)
Classic Reprints No. 73 (1862) 746 pages $75.00

The translators revived: a biographical memoir of the authors of the English Version of the Holy Bible (1853)
Alexander Wilson McClure
http://books.google.com/books?id=HT4XAAAAYAAJ
http://www.wilderness-cry.net/bible_study/translators/

The Desirability of Keeping the Authorized Version (1857)
Joseph Charles Philpot
http://www.holywordcafe.com/bible/resources
http://www.radiomissions.org/gleanings/authvers.html/The_Desirability_of_Keeping_the_Authorized_Version.pdf
extract from &quot;Sin &amp; Salvation&quot;
http://books.google.com/books?id=1fFKNAAACAAJ

Our Bible (1858)
Nehemiah Adams
http://www.archive.org/details/ourbible00adam
http://books.google.com/books?id=HcVFcikaXnQC

Solomon Caesar Malan
A Plea for the Received Greek Text: And for the Authorized Version of the New Testament .(1869) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=n4UNAAAAYAAJ (full read)
A Vindication of the Authorized Version, from Charges Brought against It by Recent Writers (1856), 
http://books.google.com/books?id=yvBmOwAACAAJ (no view)
Seven Chapters of the Revision of 1881 XE &quot;English Revised Version&quot; of 1881 Revised (1881). 
http://books.google.com/books?id=9eVHPQAACAAJ (1881 no view)
http://books.google.com/books?id=B71JHwAACAAJ (2007 Kessinger no view)
David Cloud discussion
http://www.wayoflife.org/files/c43b4ef2ba78f52f7398f6c1f82f5f13-13.html

A Century of Bibles, Or, The Authorised Version from 1611 to 1711: To which is Added William 
Kilburne\'s Tract on Dangerous Errors in the late Printed Bibles (1659)   ... (1872)
William John Loftie, William Kilburne 
http://books.google.com/books?id=zxX3YbmJsioC
http://www.archive.org/details/acenturybibleso00kilbgoog

Old Bibles: or An account of the early versions of the English Bible (1876 1st ed)
John Read Dore
http://books.google.com/books?id=yxyTP__fHTgC

Essay on the Right Estimation of Manuscript Evidence in the Text of the New Testament (1878)
Thomas Rawson Birks
http://books.google.com/books?id=ORxBAAAAYAAJ
http://www.archive.org/details/essayonrightest00birkgoog
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 16 138 pages $20.00

Edmund Beckett (Lord Grimthorpe)
Should the Revised New testament be Authorised ? (1882)
http://books.google.com/books?id=FsUnAAAAYAAJ
A reply [by E. Beckett] to Dr. Farrar\'s Answer to Sir Edmund Beckett\'s &quot;Should the Revised New Testament be Authorized&quot; ?
http://books.google.com/books?id=aKoGAAAAQAAJ
Beckett also tackles the grammatical blunders of the revision, such as many examples where the aorist tense is mistranslated by fallacious modernist theories.

The Revised Version of the First Three Gospels Considered in its bearing upon the record of our Lord\'s words
and of Incidents in his life (1882)
Frederic Charles Cook 
http://books.google.com/books?id=FgcWAAAAYAAJ
http://www.archive.org/details/revisedversionof00cook
&quot;moderately and respectfully opposed&quot; - Schaaf  An interesting work that shows that the Dean was not at all alone in the technical verse-by-verse exposure of revision blunders.

The revision revised: three articles reprinted from the Quarterly Review. (1883)
I. The New Greek Text. 
II. The New English Version. 
III. Westcott and Hort\'s New Textual Theory. 
To Which is added a reply to Bishop Ellicott\'s pamphlet in defence of the revisers and their Greek text of the New Testament:  including a vindication of the traditional reading of 1 Timothy III. 16. 
John William Burgon
http://books.google.com/books?id=nXkw1TAatV8C
http://www.archive.org/details/a549037300burguoft

The authorized edition of the English Bible (1611): its subsequent reprints and Modern Representatives (1884)
http://books.google.com/books?id=KW8TuSNhBcMC
Frederick Henry Ambrose Scrivener

Defence of the version of king James i, \'The spirits in prison, 1 Pet. iii .18-20 Against the Westminster Revision (1885)
Samuel Fuller
http://books.google.com/books?id=bzcHAAAAQAAj

Sheol: the principle and tendency of the revision examined. Sermon preached on Sunday morning, June 7th, 1885 in the First Reformed Dutch Church
George Sayles Bishop
http://books.google.com/books?id=EkLJHAAACAAJ - NOVIEW
Quotes given by David Cloud and Ian Paisley

A Guide to Textual Criticism of the New Testament (1886)
Edward Miller, M. A.
http://www.libertyparkusafd.org/lp/Burgon/cd-roms/111bible.html 
http://books.google.com/books?id=8iXOMAAACAA - Old Path reprint edition 
Note the section about early warning about false NT concepts emphasizing :
Commentarius criticus in N.T (1853) Johann Georg Reiche (mentioned in depth by Frederic Charles Cook)
Vaticanus Codex (1860)- A. Kuenen and C. G. Cobet 
&quot;‘there is no kind of error that is not frequently found in that manuscript as in all the rest.&quot;
Vercellone, Ceriani, Abb Martin on Vaticanus

Jabez Thomas Sunderland
The origin and character of the Bible: and its place among sacred books (1893 1ed) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=HyRv78hkARsC
The Bible and the Bible country (1910)
http://books.google.com/books?id=vXDH75VFDuMC 

The Oxford Debate on the Textual Criticism of the New Testament Held at New College on May 6, 1897 with a Preface Explanatory of the Rival System -
Contains speeches by: Edward Miller, William Sanday, Mr. Gwilliam, Mr. Allen, Mr. Bonus, Mr. Headlam 
Edward Miller, et al. 
http://www.archive.org/details/oxforddebateonte00sand
http://books.google.com/books?id=9fAOAAAAQAAJ
Classic Reprints No. 93 59 pages  $15.00 

Some thoughts on the textual criticism of the New Testament (1897)
George Salmon
http://www.archive.org/details/somethoughtsonte00salmuoft

Studies in the syntax of the King James version (1907)
James Moses Grainger
http://books.google.com/books?id=MD0XAAAAYAAJ

The authorized version of the Bible and its influence (1910)
Albert Stanburrough Cook
http://books.google.com/books?id=9GtHAAAAIAAJ
Vance - Classic Reprints #13 - 30 pages $12

Records of the English Bible
The Documents Relating to the Translation and Publication of the Bible in English, 1525-1611 (1911)
Alfred William Pollard
http://bible.zoxt.net/pol/pollard.htm
http://www.archive.org/details/recordsofenglish00polluoft
http://books.google.com/books?id=2ipVAAAAMAAJ (full view)
http://books.google.com/books?id=e1M94S7zYkwC (2007 limited)
Report on the Making of the Version of the 1611 Presented to the Synod of Dort
http://bible.zoxt.net/pol/_336.htm

Our grand old Bible : being the story of the Authorized version of the English Bible told for the tercentenary celebration (1911)
William Muir
http://www.archive.org/details/ourgrandoldbible00muirrich

The Greatest English Classic - A Study of the King James Version of the Bible and Its Influence on Life and Literature.
Cleland Boyd McAfee, D.D.
http://books.google.com/books?id=MIFLAAAAIAAJ
http://www.bible-researcher.com/mcafee.html

The King James Bible Translators  (1982)
Olga S. Opfell
http://www.libertyparkusafd.org/lp/Burgon/cd-roms/130bible.html

My Plea for the Old Sword (1997)
Ian R. K. Paisley
http://www.ianpaisley.org/plea.asp (full read)
http://books.google.com/books?id=OqCwPAAACAAJ (no view)

Wide as the Waters (2001)
Benson Bobrick 
http://books.google.com/books?id=nl-zc0JkAtUC
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0684847477/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&amp;condition=used

In the Beginning: The Story of the King James Bible and How It Changed a Nation, a Language, and a Culture (2001)
Alister McGrath
http://books.google.com/books?id=t-iLuDI60O0C (no view)

The Bible in English: its history and influence (2003)
David Daniell
http://books.google.com/books?id=uaMY9HQKwvMC

God\'s secretaries: the making of the King James Bible  (2003)
http://books.google.com/books?id=PTJEVyb5XQYC
Power and glory: Jacobean England and the making of the King James Bible (2004)
http://books.google.com/books?id=M_eyAAAACAAJ
Adam Nicolson

King James, His Bible, and Its Translators (2006)
Laurence Vance
http://www.vancepublications.com/kjv.htm
Bibliography is in .pdf
http://www.vancepublications.com/kjv/kjv%20biblio.pdf

The Glorious History of the King James Bible (2006)
David W. Cloud
http://books.google.com/books?id=P9lgAAAACAAJ (no view)
http://www.wayoflife.org/publications/ebooks.html (ebook)
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Shalom,
Steven Avery
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1439', 'daf75a450d', '', 'Excellent.

Steven Avery has compiled a list of online books and resources
http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=364

There is plenty of free reading material!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1440', '26c8e61c28', 'The Protector, 4 October 2009', '[img:26c8e61c28]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:26c8e61c28]

[color=red:26c8e61c28]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:26c8e61c28]

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[size=18:26c8e61c28][color=darkblue:26c8e61c28]EDITORIAL[/color:26c8e61c28][/size:26c8e61c28]

DANIEL SEVEN — PART THREE

Daniel chapter seven shows the Roman Empire as represented by a terrible beast. This beast has a little horn, which represents the historical antichrist working.

“I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them” (Daniel 7:21). There has been an attack on true Christians throughout history. Since 1798, the attack on true Christianity was by subverting ideas.

In the 1800s, there was a great attack on the history of the Bible, on the reality of miracles and on the record of Genesis itself.

Compromise with wrong ideas has increased, and throughout the twentieth century, there was a great prevailing against those who held true doctrines.

However, the Scripture says that this warfare does not continue, “Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.” (Daniel 7:22).

This verse gives great hope, because it shows that God intervenes in human history. It shows that one day the Church will be seen as powerful. And then the Church will be taken to Heaven, and prepared for the future Millennial task of possessing the Kingdom.

The modern day Catholic Church has been a big factor involved in the current demise of Christianity. In fact, Romanism is at the very roots of all kinds of ideas, including Islam. When Pentecostalism was subjugated by Romanism in the Charismatic movement, it successfully arrested much of the true power of the Church in this hour.

Even though there has been a great attack on truth, those things who have attacked it have been under a continual consuming (see Daniel 7:26), “And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth ...” (2 Thess. 2:8a).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1441', '41518a8ed2', 'English Bible and KJB books', '[color=darkblue:41518a8ed2]Hi Folks,

Continuing. (Later these can be made into a master list by date and/or by general topics. Maybe short notes added too.) These three are about the English Bible history.[/color:41518a8ed2]

[color=darkred:41518a8ed2]A Complete History of the Several Translations of the Holy Bible and New Testament into English, both in Ms. and in Print: and of the Most Remarkable Editions of Them Since  the  Invention  of  Printing,  3rd  ed.,  to  which  is  now added,  a  list  of  various  editions  of  the  Bible,  and  parts thereof, in English.  (1731)
John Lewis
http://books.google.com/books?id=32EuAAAAYAAJ Edition 2 (1739)
http://books.google.com/books?id=3fyfAAAAMAAJ  Edition 3 (1818)
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/316570&amp;referer=brief_results

The English Bible: History of the translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English Tongue (1856)
Hannah Chaplin Conant
http://books.google.com/books?id=2olHAAAAIAAJ
The popular history of the translation of the Holy Scriptures into the Holy Scriptures into the English Tongue (1881)
Hannah Chaplin Conant rev. ed. by Thomas J. Conant. 
http://books.google.com/books?id=X706oAkEjlkC

The Bibles of England: A Plain Account for Plain People  of  the  Principal  Versions  of  the  Bible  in  English. (1889)
Andrew Edgar
http://books.google.com/books?id=AuUaqb3KJ3oC
http://books.google.com/books?id=DcZCAAAAIAAJ[/color:41518a8ed2]
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 72 414 pages $45.00
[color=darkblue:41518a8ed2]
Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:41518a8ed2]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1442', '01150600f4', 'journal and magazine articles with urls', '[color=darkblue:01150600f4]Hi Folks,

These journal articles are all available, they are generally from the Laurence Vance bibliography, with the URL added below.[/color:01150600f4]
[color=darkred:01150600f4]
JOURNALS

Thomas Curtis
“Dr. Curtis on a Standard English Bible.”
The Southern Presbyterian Review 11 (1859), 136-144.
www.pcahistory.org/periodicals/spr/v11/11-1-6.pdf 

Henry R. Tedder
“The Barkers and the Early History of the Bible-Patent.” 
The Library Chronicle 2 (1885), 161-166.
http://books.google.com/books?id=3h8DAAAAYAAJ&amp;pg=PA161

John  F. Geneug
“Why  the  Authorized  Version  Became  an English Classic.” 
The Biblical World 37 (April 1911), 224-231.
http://books.google.com/books?id=tLcNAQAAIAAJ&amp;pg=PA224

D. Beaton
“Notes on the History of the Authorised Version of the Bible in Scotland.” 
The Princeton Theological Review 9 (July 1911), 415-437.
http://books.google.com/books?id=WQIMAAAAIAAJ&amp;pg=PA415 

“The  King  James  Bible:  Apropos  of  the  Tercentenary.”  
The Century Magazine 82 (May 1911), 148-149.
http://books.google.com/books?id=359Y2bRp6x4C&amp;pg=PA148

L. Franklin. Gruber
“The Version of 1611: Propriety of Calling it the ‘Authorized Version,’ or ‘King James’s Version.’ &quot;
The Biblical World 42 (October 1913), 218-233.
http://books.google.com/books?id=pJjNAAAAMAAJ&amp;pg=PA218
&amp;
The Authorization of the English Bible - Reprint #100 Laurence Vance 1881, 1913, 1948, 1991 &quot;Four articles from different perspectives on the subject of the authorization of the English Bible.&quot; 50 pages

John Tiller 
“In the Steps of William Tyndale: Miles Smith As Bible Translator.” 
The Tyndale Society Journal 11 (December 1998), 27-33.
http://www.tyndale.org/TSJ/11/tiller.html[/color:01150600f4][color=darkblue:01150600f4]

Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:01150600f4]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1443', '5bfe3f45b4', 'English Bible histories from revision-oriented writers', '[color=darkblue:5bfe3f45b4]Hi Folks,

These histories include English Bible information, and while written by revision oriented writers, still may have some substance. 

[u:5bfe3f45b4]Histories [/u:5bfe3f45b4]
Westcott Eadie Pattison Milligan Bevan Lea Pope Price
[/color:5bfe3f45b4][color=darkred:5bfe3f45b4]
Bible in the Church: a popular account of the collection and reception of the Holy Scriptues in the Christian Churches
Brooke Foss Westcott
http://books.google.com/books?id=43gNAAAAYAAJ (1870)
http://books.google.com/books?id=kEkXAAAAYAAJ (1905)

A general view of the history of the English Bible 
Brooke Foss Westcott
http://books.google.com/books?id=tAk93bh4jkcC (1872)
http://books.google.com/books?id=-wQXAAAAYAAJ (1905) with  William Aldis Wright

The English Bible : an external and critical history of the various English translations of Scripture, with remarks on the need of revising the English New Testament (1876) 
John Eadie
http://www.archive.org/details/theenglishbible00eadiuoft Vol 1
http://books.google.com/books?id=RQA9AAAAYAAJ - Vol 1
http://www.archive.org/details/englishbibleexte02eadiuoft - Vol 2
http://books.google.com/books?id=UH1bAAAAMAAJ - Vol 2 
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 81  Two Volumes in One 975 pages  $100.00

The history of the English Bible (1878)
William Fiddian Moulton
http://books.google.com/books?id=s_8BAAAAQAAJ
http://www.archive.org/details/historyofenglish00moul

The history of the English Bible (1894) 
Thomas Harwood Pattison
http://books.google.com/books?id=h648AAAAYAAJ 

The English Bible, a sketch of its history (1895)
George Milligan
http://books.google.com/books?id=cAkPAAAAQAAJ

Our Bible and the ancient manuscripts: being a history of the text and its Translations (1895).
Sir Frederic George Kenyon
http://www.katapi.org.uk/BibleMSS/Contents.htm
http://www.archive.org/details/ourbibleancien00keny
http://books.google.com/books?id=2I0RAAAAYAAJ Full 
(more about MSS in general rather than the English Bible)

Our English Bible; the history of its development, 1611-1911 (1911) 
James Oliver Bevan 
http://www.archive.org/details/ourenglishbibleh00bevaiala
http://books.google.com/books?id=jnLFreXpWywC (limited preview 2009 reprint)

The ancestry of our English Bible: an account of the Bible versions, texts and Manuscripts  (1906) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=gZJCAAAAIAAJ (full view)
Ira Maurice Price

The Book of Books and Its Wonderful Story (1922)
John William Lea 
http://www.archive.org/details/bookofbooksitswo00leaj
[/color:5bfe3f45b4] 
[color=darkblue:5bfe3f45b4]And there is a history available more from an overt rcc perspective.[/color:5bfe3f45b4]
[color=darkred:5bfe3f45b4]
A brief history of the English version of the New Testament first published at Rheims in 1582, continued down to the present day  (1940)
Hugh Pope
http://books.google.com/books?id=moeTPQAACAAJ

English Versions of the Bible, revised and amplified by Sebastian Bullough. (1952.)
Hugh Pope
http://books.google.com/books?id=DunaAAAAMAAJ
[/color:5bfe3f45b4][color=darkblue:5bfe3f45b4]
Shalom,
Steven Avery [/color:5bfe3f45b4]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1444', '3a5fd8be2b', 'James Townley-Illustrations- Gaebelein-Down through the Ages', '[color=darkblue:3a5fd8be2b]Hi Folks,

This book has a fairly extensive historical section, however it would take some checking to see the relationship between Townley and McClure material.  Some Townley editions (maybe just Vol 1) go as far back as 1828. [/color:3a5fd8be2b]
[color=darkred:3a5fd8be2b]
Illustrations of Biblical Literature Vol. 2  (1847)
James Townley
http://books.google.com/books?id=WOwUAAAAYAAJ p. 393 - Chapter X Seventeenth Century
http://books.google.com/books?id=1oaeIIgKTdIC  (2007)[/color:3a5fd8be2b]
 [color=darkblue:3a5fd8be2b]
And this book on the King James Bible is not available online although purchase is not expensive.  Note that Gaebelein is not known as defending the KJB against modern versions, so a review of the book would be helpful.[/color:3a5fd8be2b]
[color=darkred:3a5fd8be2b]
Frank Ely Gaebelein,
Down through the Ages ; the story of the King James Bible. (1924). 
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2376104/editions?editionsView=true&amp;referer=br
http://books.google.com/books?id=3pFIGQAACAAJ (no view)
The Story of the King James Bible (1950)
http://books.google.com/books?id=L5YGGQAACAAJ 
[/color:3a5fd8be2b][color=darkred:3a5fd8be2b]
A Plain Account of the English Bible From the Earliest Times of its Translation to the Present Day (1870)
John Henry Blunt 
http://books.google.com/books?id=1gUsAAAAYAAJ
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 111 125 pages  $20.00[/color:3a5fd8be2b]
[color=darkblue:3a5fd8be2b]
And this Baikie historical book on the English bible is not well known.
[/color:3a5fd8be2b][color=darkred:3a5fd8be2b]
The  English  Bible  &amp;  Its  Story:  Its  Growth,  Its Translators &amp; Their Adventures. (1928)
James Baikie
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/3434507/editions?editionsView=true&amp;referer=di
http://books.google.com/books?id=jNduPAAACAA (no view)
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=770184147
Lands And People Of The Bible 
http://books.google.com/books?id=9kUTSynnxfQC[/color:3a5fd8be2b]
[color=darkblue:3a5fd8be2b]
The next may be one of the superior in depthl historical books.[/color:3a5fd8be2b]
[color=darkred:3a5fd8be2b]
Our Own English Bible (1913) - 3 Volumes
William James Heaton 
Vol 1 : its translators and their work, the manuscript period 
http://www.archive.org/details/ourownenglishbib00heat - Vol 1
Vol 2 - The Bible of the Reformation, 
Vol 3 - The Puritan Bible, and Other Contemporaneous Protestant Versions. 
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 74 Three Volumes in One 1913, 1914 986 pages $100.00. [/color:3a5fd8be2b]
[color=darkblue:3a5fd8be2b]
Shalom,
Steven Avery 
[/color:3a5fd8be2b]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1445', '3a814a07c1', 'Lowes - Noblest Monument of English Prose &amp; Nelson', '[color=darkblue:3a814a07c1]Hi Folks,

This next book is quite significant historically, Norton rails and Standish uses the phrase as a chapter heading (Modern Bible Translations Unmasked - no clear attribution) others simply respect the work. Perhaps the single most important book in the &quot;Bible as literature -- majesty of the King James Bible&quot; genre.[/color:3a814a07c1]
[color=darkred:3a814a07c1]
John  Livingston Lowes
Essays  in  Appreciation.   (1936)
&quot;The Noblest Monument of English Prose&quot; (one essay)
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/320454841&amp;referer=brief_results
Reprinted by Laurence Vance
http://www.vancepublications.com/classic%20reprints.htm
http://www.vancepublications.com/cr/cr101ex.pdf  (Four pages)
&quot;I have deliberately refrained from naming in my title the masterpiece to which my descriptive phrase applies ... &quot;[/color:3a814a07c1]
[color=darkblue:3a814a07c1]
This next may be interesting for how King James Bible phrases are a part of our beautiful English today.[/color:3a814a07c1]
[color=darkred:3a814a07c1]
Our Roving Bible: tracking its influence through English and American life (1945)
Lawrence Emerson Nelson
http://books.google.com/books?id=JskUAAAAMAAJ (no view)
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/382215/editions?editionsView=true&amp;referer=br
 [/color:3a814a07c1][color=darkred:3a814a07c1]
The literary impact of the Authorized Version (1950)
Clive Staples Lewis (C. S. Lewis)
http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/kjv_lewis.pdf  (read)
http://books.google.com/books?id=eTUVPQAACAAJ (no view)
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/353285/editions?editionsView=true&amp;referer=br[/color:3a814a07c1]
[color=darkblue:3a814a07c1]
Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:3a814a07c1]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1446', '50249defb2', 'AV defenders - Lister, Brantly,  Dowling, Coxe', '[color=darkblue:50249defb2]Hi Folks,

Our next stop are addition from the writers from the 1800s, like Soloman Malan above (where we have added additional books).  On helping with these writers, two men stand out as having helped us with the history .. Laurence Vance and the Classic Reprints and David Cloud.  Also, when available, the online resources.[/color:50249defb2]
[color=darkred:50249defb2]
The Excellence of the Authorized Version of the Sacred Scriptures defended against the Socinians (1820)
By James Lister
http://books.google.com/books?id=_ky8GwAACAAJ (no view)
http://www.wayoflife.org/files/219cd36084ed2b9443d1330f33990457-30.html 
Classic Reprints No. 47 32 pages $12.00

Objections to a Baptist version of the New Testament (1837)
William Theophilus Brantly, Octavius Winslow
http://books.google.com/books?id=3CgZAAAAYAAJ (full view)
Classic Reprints No. 46 66 pages $15.00 

The burning of the Bibles: defence of the Protestant version of the scriptures against the attacks of popish apologists (1843)
John Dowling
http://books.google.com/books?id=d3Q2AAAAMAAJ (full view)
Classic Reprints No. 54 141 pages $25.00 

The old-fashioned Bible, or Ten reasons against the proposed Baptist version of the New Testament: a discourse delivered at Hope Chapel, Broadway, March 31st, 1850 (1850)
John Dowling 
http://books.google.com/books?id=vkSMHwAACAAJ (no view)
Classic Reprints No. 35 36 pages $12.00 

An Apology for the Common English Bible and a Review of the Extraordinary Changes Made in it by Managers of the American Bible Society (1857)
Arthur Cleveland Coxe
http://books.google.com/books?id=iEK1lSXqEC8C (full view)
http://www.archive.org/details/apologyforcommon00coxe
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 48 72 pages $15.00

Lectures on the English Language. (1860)
George Perkins Marsh 
http://books.google.com/books?id=53UKAAAAIAAJ (1887 ed)
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 113 27 pages  $12.00 

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For Love of the Bible: The Battle for the King James Version and the Greek Received Text from 1800 to Present. 4th edition, March 2006, 518 pages
http://www.wayoflife.org/publications/topicalbooks.html

Laurence Vance - Classic Reprints
http://www.vancepublications.com/classic%20reprints.htm [/color:50249defb2]
[color=darkblue:50249defb2]
Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:50249defb2]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1447', '5401e4484e', 'Eadie, Blunt and Heaton', '[color=darkblue:5401e4484e]Addition.

Eadie, Blunt, Ierson, Trench, Roberts, Vaughan, Davies, Oxford Debates, Birk and Heaton added to the posts above.

10/8 - Additional additions.
Frederic Charles Cook 
Robert Young
Edmund Beckett
George Vance Smith
Samuel Newth

10/9
George Milligan

10/10
Edward Miller - Guide to Textual Criticism 
with references to works of Reiche, Kuenen and Cobet
Ira Maurce Price.
[/color:5401e4484e]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1455', '10e294a221', 'scholarship Reformation Bible - Backus, Pelikan, Krans', '[color=darkblue:10e294a221]Hi Folks,

10/13/209 - Additions 
Moulton - history from revisionist
J. C. Philpot - early defense extracted from book/sermon
David Cloud - Glorious History
Ian Paisley - Old Sword

===========================

Here are some of the scholarship style books of the last decades that have some special interest on the general topic of the Reformation Bible, without being King James Bible oriented.  While some will have a minefield of anti-KJB bias, perhaps not all, and some solid info can be extractable.  Generally you may have to use a library or used book approach to see the whole book but there may some have partial google availability.[/color:10e294a221]

[color=darkred:10e294a221]The reformed roots of the English New Testament:
The Influence of Theodore Beza on the English New Testament 
Irena Dorota Backus (1980) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=0OnYAAAAMAAJ (no view)
$26 on Powell - $20 or more

The Reformation of the Bible/The Bible of the Reformation (1996)
Jaroslav Pelikan, Valerie R. Hotchkiss, David Price 
http://books.google.com/books?id=ncUGrlCjHzAC

In Discordance with the Scriptures: American Protestant  Battles  over  Translating  the  Bible. (1999)
Peter Johannes Thuesen 
http://books.google.com/books?id=Parz1Sxd8BsC (Limited)

Faith, reason, and revelation in Theodore Beza, 1519-1605 (2003)
Jeffrey Mallinson 
http://books.google.com/books?id=0k5CAc64mK8C

Theodorus Beza and New Testament conjectural emendation (2003)
Jan Krans
http://books.google.com/books?id=fVfzPAAACAAJ (no view)

Beyond what is written: Erasmus and Beza as conjectural critics of the New Testament
Jan Krans
http://books.google.com/books?id=zi6JAAAAMAAJ (no view)

Whose Bible Is It?: A Short History of the Scriptures (2006)
Jaroslav Pelikan
http://books.google.com/books?id=ms_UHjwUEsoC (limited)
Whose Bible Is It?  A History of the Scriptures Through the Ages. (2005.)
http://books.google.com/books?id=aU_GAAAACAAJ (no view, same book)

Theodore de Beze (1519-1605)  (2007)
Irena Dorota Backus, Institut d\'histoire de la Réformation 
http://books.google.com/books?id=GRekani7lxAC[/color:10e294a221]
[color=darkblue:10e294a221]
Shalom,
Steven [/color:10e294a221]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1448', '7d416398f7', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'How can there be unity in the faith if some are accepting things against God\'s commandments? For example, it is written, &quot;Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.&quot; (Deuteronomy 4:2). Yet, those accepting modern versions are indeed adding to or diminishing from God\'s Word.

&quot;What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.&quot; (Deuteronomy 12:32). There are indeed consequences to the practice of changing the Word of God. This is explained clearly in Revelation 22:18,19.

&quot;Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.&quot; (Proverbs 6:30). Who is willing to stand for purity of God\'s words? Those who have a pure Bible, which is the Authorized King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1449', 'a79f0f6571', 'Francis Fry', '[color=darkblue:a79f0f6571]Some Francis Fry material (pub c. 1865) is on the net, while the 3rd book below, which includes the King James Bible, is so far found in the &quot;Classic Reprints&quot; or in libraries.[/color:a79f0f6571]

[color=darkred:a79f0f6571]Francis Fry

The first New Testament printed in the English language, 1525 or 1526  
http://books.google.com/books?id=CrYOAAAAQAAJ
http://www.archive.org/details/firstnewtestame00tyndgoog

The Bible by Coverdale, MDXXXV. Remarks on the titles; the year of publication; the preliminary, the water marks, &amp;c., with fac-similes 
http://books.google.com/books?id=ovmfAAAAMAAJ
http://www.archive.org/details/biblebycoverdale00fryfrich

A description of the Great Bible, 1539, and the six editions of Cranmer\'s Bible, 1540 and 1541, printed by Grafton and Whitchurch : also of the editions, in large folio, of the Authorized Version of the Holy Scriptures, printed in the years 1611, 1613, 1617, 1634, 1640 
http://books.google.com/books?id=1kukQAAACAAJ  (No View)
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/5068228&amp;referer=brief_results
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/20048684&amp;referer=brief_results

Classic Reprints No. 53
A brief memoir of Francis Fry, F.S.A., of Bristol  By Theodore Fry
http://books.google.com/books?id=FwMA2mzHrh0C
The Works of Francis Fry on the Tyndale, Coverdale, Great, Bishop\'s, and King James Bibles, With a Brief Memoir of the Author by His Son - Four Books in One - 1865-1887 - 568 pages $100.00[/color:a79f0f6571]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1450', 'aca1046432', 'What is faith?', 'Faith can be seen through action, because people act on their beliefs. The Bible says that our faith needs to be seen in our works (James 2:14-18), and that without works, faith is dead. This means if we say we have faith in God and His promises, we should act on His Word, not act on unbelief. This is how the just live by faith on a daily basis - by believing God\'s Word and acting on it each day.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1454', '2fca43d0f2', '', 'The Cambridge paragraph Bible of the authorized English version : with the text revised... marginal references... and a critical introduction prefixed - Scrivener, Frederick Henry Ambrose, 1813-1891
Edited for the Syndics of the University press
[url]http://www.archive.org/details/cambridgeparagra00scri[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1451', 'd31cde2ea6', 'The Protector, 11 October 2009', '[img:d31cde2ea6]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:d31cde2ea6]

[color=red:d31cde2ea6]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:d31cde2ea6]

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WHAT IS RECEIVED TRADITION?

Tradition is the form of teaching which is passed down in the Church, particularly for us, the Anglo-Protestant Tradition. What true Christians generally believe is significant in line with the idea of the universal priesthood of believers. However, the body of true believers is significantly smaller than people who confess to be Christians, or who are members of denominations.

People living at a later time must receive what is handed down to them. This is taught in several verses:

2 Tim. 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

2 Thess. 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

1 Thess. 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

The use of the King James Bible is “Received Tradition” in the true Church.

WHAT DOES THE WORD “SUPERSUCCESSION” MEAN?

As anyone here should be able to guess, the word &quot;supersuccession&quot; describes something being superseded which is successionary, that is, sort of like saying &quot;the same but better&quot;. I have used this term because I do not believe in a second inspiration in 1611, nor that the King James Bible is materially or essentially superior to the Scripture as given and contained in the original autographs. This term indicates that the King James Bible is upheld (by the Spirit and by those who hold this viewpoint) as the best when compared to absolutely any copy of Scripture today.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH SCRIVENER’S EDITION OF THE KJB?

Scrivener:
1. Changed the version text of the KJB.
2. Changed the translation.
3. Made wrong editorial choices in wording based on an incorrect view of the order of the first two editions printed in 1611 (he favoured &quot;HE&quot; not &quot;SHE&quot;).
4. Made various misguided alterations to the spelling, some of which are NOT modernisations.
5. Derided and rejected various work of previous accepted, authoritative editions.
6. Made numerous changes to italics, layout, etc.
7. The edition (Cambridge Paragraph Bible) was never accepted by Christians generally, and it failed.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1452', '1c37143940', 'revision agiprop', '[color=darkblue:1c37143940]Hi Folks,

These are the more Revision agiprop group pulled out from the histories.  These may have an &quot;English Bible History&quot; section .. but they were primarily designed to politic for the revision, before or after. [/color:1c37143940]
[color=darkred:1c37143940]
The Authorized Version of the New Testament in Connection with Some Recent Proposals for Its Revision. (1858) 
Richard Chenevix Trench
http://books.google.com/books?id=RNYNAAAAYAAJ (1858) Connection
http://books.google.com/books?id=Q6oCAAAAQAAJ (1859) Connexion
http://www.archive.org/details/ontheauthorizedv00trenuoft 

On a Fresh Revision of the English Old Testament (1873)
Samuel Davidson
http://www.archive.org/details/onafreshrevisio00davigoog

Bible English : chapters on old and disused expressions in the authorized version of the Scriptures and the Book of common prayer : with illustrations from contemporary literature (1875)
Thomas Lewis Owen Davies 
http://www.archive.org/details/bibleenglishchap00daviiala
http://books.google.com/books?id=XhwbUY9U5NUC (limited preview 2009 reprint)

The English Bible : an external and critical history of the various English translations of Scripture, with remarks on the need of revising the English New Testament (1876) 
John Eadie
http://www.archive.org/details/theenglishbible00eadiuoft Vol 1
http://books.google.com/books?id=RQA9AAAAYAAJ - Vol 1
http://www.archive.org/details/englishbibleexte02eadiuoft - Vol 2
http://books.google.com/books?id=UH1bAAAAMAAJ - Vol 2 
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 81  Two Volumes in One 975 pages  $100.00

Companion to the Revised Version of the New Testament explaining the reasons for the changes made on the authorized version  (1881)
Alexander Roberts
http://books.google.com/books?id=hXEWAAAAYAAJ

Texts and margins of the Revised New Testament Affecting Theological Doctrine Briefly Reviewed (1881)
George Vance Smith 
http://books.google.com/books?id=5DcHAAAAQAAJ

Lectures on Bible revision, with an appendix containing the prefaces to the chief historical editions of the English Bible (1881)
Samuel Newth
http://books.google.com/books?id=IpsCAAAAQAAJ

Authorized or Revised? Sermons on Some of the Texts in Which the Revised Version Differs from the Authorized (1882)
Charles John Vaughan  
http://books.google.com/books?id=JfX0rk6zXeEC
http://www.archive.org/details/authorizedorrevi00vaugiala

Contributions to a new revision, or, A critical companion to the New Testament being a series of notes on the original text, with the view of securing greater uniformity in its English rendering.  Including the chief alterations of the &quot;Revision&quot; of 1881 and of the 
American Committee  (1881) 
Robert Young
http://books.google.com/books?id=LZssAAAAYAAJ
Young was paraphrasing and thought to be helping the reader to choose between the English and the American (afaik not yet published) and his own translations, as well as a future revision revision. Evangelical magazine and missionary chronicle (1882) while liking his overall body of work called this one of his \'crotchets\'.

Companion to the revised Old Testament (1885)
Talbot Wilson Chambers
http://books.google.com/books?id=NH0fAAAAYAAJ

Notes on the Amended English Bible With Special Reference to Certain Texts in the Revised Version of the Old and New Testaments Bearing upon the Principles of Unitarian Christianity (1887) 
Henry Ierson
http://www.archive.org/details/notesonthebible00iersuoft
http://books.google.com/books?id=thofAAAAYAAJ
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 44 188 pages $30.00  [/color:1c37143940]
[color=darkblue:1c37143940]
Shalom,
Steven Avery [/color:1c37143940]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1456', '7a71cc9451', 'book resources - note that most are not KJBO', '[quote:7a71cc9451]While some will have a minefield of anti-KJB bias, perhaps not all, and some solid info can be extractable.[/quote:7a71cc9451]
This information is extractable if one is learned in the correct KJB tradition. I am concerned that young Christians and the unlearned will find it difficult to discern. I think we need to put some sort of mark or indicator against the various books to make the distinction (ie. pro-KJB, anti-KJB or dangerous-considerable-discernment-needed etc.).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1457', 'ae42430809', 'Re: KJB books', '[color=darkblue:ae42430809]Hi Folks,

I have tried to do that above by putting the books of dubiousness into distinct sections, each with a warning label on top (that could be highlighted, maybe I will go back and use some bold).

There are 10 sections above, three with more directly dubious components.

1) English Bible histories by revisionists (the propaganda is at the book-end)
2) Revision agi-prog (textual clap-trap)
3) Modern scholar stuff (very mixed)

Maybe later such groups should all be separated into their own section, but that is the method I am using above.  I could even stick the marginal stuff on my own forum or page with a prominent warning label.

However, I do think you have an exceedingly well informed readership, who will generally do fine even with the current labels.

Within a few days I plan a bit of rearranging, e.g. the distinctions in the first sections are no longer necessary.  Thoughts on how to improve the quality rating aspect welcome, I\'ll try to incorporate more at that point.

Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:ae42430809]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1453', 'e2bed961c0', 'list updates', '[color=darkblue:e2bed961c0]Additions.

10/11 - agiprop section split off
            Samuel Davidson added[/color:e2bed961c0]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1462', '152ec70ddc', 'Unsorted list of online KJB materials', '[b:152ec70ddc]An unsorted list of the good, bad and the ugly: reference materials to the King James Bible, including examinations of its history, etc. Most of these links are to freely available online materials. WARNING: SOME MAY CONTAIN ERROR AND FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST THE KJB.[/b:152ec70ddc]

The Learned Men (1959) 
Gustavis Paine 
http://www.archive.org/details/learnedmen009479mbp 
Reprint - &quot;The Men Behind the King James Version&quot; Baker (1977) 

An Historical Account of the Several Translations of the Bible and the Opposition they met from the Church of Rome (1730) 
Anthony Johnson 
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&amp;id=Kt4CAAAAQAAJ (full view) 
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 99 110 pages $20.00 

An essay upon the influence of the translation of the Bible upon English Literature (1830) 
William Thomas Petty (later FitzMaurice), Earl of Kerry, Lord Kerry 
http://books.google.com/books?id=ITcHAAAAQAAJ 

The Existing Monopoly, an Inadequate Protection, of the Authorised Version of Scriptures (1833) 
Thomas Curtis 
http://books.google.com/books?id=jI6I4xjYuqkC 

The text of the English Bible, as now printed by the universities : considered with reference to a report by a sub-committee of dissenting ministers (1833) 
Thomas Turton 
http://www.archive.org/details/textofenglishbib00turtrich 

A supplement to the authorised English version of the New Testament : being a critical illustration of its more difficult passages from the Syriac, Latin and earlier English versions, with an introduction (1845) 
F. H. A. Scrivener 
http://www.archive.org/details/supplementtoauth00scri 

A collation of the principal English translations of the sacred Scriptures (1847) 
Charles Roger 
http://books.google.com/books?id=UK4GAAAAQAAJ 

A list of editions of the Holy Scriptures and parts thereof printed in America Previous to 1860 (1861) 
Edmund Bailey O\'Callaghan 
http://books.google.com/books?id=i_oWAAAAYAAJ 

The historic origin of the Bible: a handbook of principal facts from the Best Recent Authorities, German and English (1873 1ed) 
Edwin Cone Bissell 
http://books.google.com/books?id=amo2AAAAMAAJ 
http://www.archive.org/details/thehistoricorigi00bissuoft 

Our English bible : its translations and translators (1878) 
John Stoughton 
http://www.archive.org/details/ourenglishbiblei00stouiala 
http://books.google.com/books?id=_6UCAAAAQAAJ 

The history of the English Bible: extending from earliest Saxon translations to the present Anglo-American Revision (1882) 
Blackford Condit 
http://books.google.com/books?id=7wsXAAAAYAAJ 

The English revisers\' Greek text shown to be unauthorized except by Egyptian copies discarded by Greeks and to be opposed to the historic text of all ages and churches (1882) 
George Whitefield Sampson 
http://www.archive.org/details/englishrevisersg00sams 

A hand-book of the English versions of the Bible: with copious examples Illustrating the Ancestry and Relationship of the Several Versions, and Comparative Tables (1883) 
J. I Mombert 
http://books.google.com/books?id=AjUXAAAAYAAJ 

Early Bibles of America: being a descriptive account of Bibles published in the United States, Mexico and Canda (1894) 
John W. Wright 
http://books.google.com/books?id=6fgy9lP97YkC 
http://books.google.com/books?id=4UoMAAAAYAAJ 

The that-clause in the Authorized version of the Bible (1910) 
Hubert Gibson Shearin 
http://www.archive.org/details/thatclauseinauthav00shea 

The Authorised Version of the English Bible, 1611 (1909) 
[A literal reprint, with a list of variations between the two issues of 1611.] 
http://www.archive.org/details/authorizedversio01wrig Vol 1 
http://www.archive.org/details/authorizedversio02wrig Vol 2 
http://www.archive.org/details/authorizedversio03wrig Vol 3 
http://www.archive.org/details/authorisedversio04wrig Vol 4 
http://www.archive.org/details/authorisedversio05wrig Vol 5 
William Aldis Wright 

The evolution of the English Bible: a historical sketch of the successive versions from 1382 to 1885 (1901) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=hgUXAAAAYAAJ 
Our English Bible : the story of its origin and growth (1911) 
http://www.archive.org/details/ourenglishbible00hoaruoft 
Henry William Hoare 

William James Heaton 
Our Own English Bible : Its Translators And their Work 
The Manuscript Period (through Wycliffe) Vol 1 
http://www.archive.org/details/ourownenglishbib00heat 
The Bible of the Reformation : its translators and their work Vol 2 (1910) 
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/4243807&amp;referer=brief_results 
The Puritan Bible and other contemporaneous Protestant versions&#8206; (1913) Vol 3 
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/3214358&amp;referer=brief_results 
http://www.amazon.com/Puritan-Bible-Contemporaneous-Protestant-Versions/dp/111216412X 

The Bible and the Anglo-Saxon People (1914) 
http://www.archive.org/details/bibleanglosaxonp00cantrich 
http://books.google.com/books?id=u8ZCAAAAIAAJ 
William Canton 

Introduction to early modern English (1921) 
Manfred Görlach 
http://books.google.com/books?id=y9ChTlB59BAC 

Which Version? Authorized or Revised ? (1924) 
Philip Mauro 
http://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/1924_mauro_which-version.html 
Vance - Classic Reprints #41 - 119 pages $20 

Our Authorized Bible Vindicated (1930) 
Benjamin George Wilkinson 
http://www.temcat.com/Wilkinson/AuthorizedBibleTOC.htm 
Answers to Objections - A Reply to the Review of My Book 
http://www.temcat.com/Answers2Objections/Answers-TOC.htm 

The literary lineage of the King James Bible, 1340-1611 (1941) 
Charles C. Butterworth 
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/1485092&amp;referer=brief_results 

The King James version of the English Bible: an account of the development and sources of the English Bible of 1611 with special reference to the Hebrew tradition (1941) 
David Daiches 
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/355561/editions?editionsView=true&amp;referer=br 
http://www.amazon.com/King-James-Version-English-Bible/dp/0208004939 

Church, monarch, and Bible in sixteenth century England (2000) 
Roland H. Worth 
http://books.google.com/books?id=BGhHm155A5AC 

Henry John Todd 
A vindication of our Authorized translation and translators of the Bible; and of preceding English versions authoritatively commended to the notice of those translators: occasioned by certain objections made by Mr. John Bellamy in his late translation of the book of Genesis, and by Sir James Bland Burgess... (1819) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=1GgqJAAACAAJ (no view) 
Vance -Classic Reprints No. 36 1819 158 pages $25.00 
--- (Todd continues) 
An Authentic Account of our Authorized Translation and Translators of the Bible; 
With Testimonies to the Excellence of the Translation (1838 3rd ed) 
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&amp;id=ISECAAAAQAAJ (full view) 
http://www.archive.org/details/anauthenticacco00toddgoog 

Oxford Bibles, Mr. Curtis\' misrepresentations exposed in a Letter to the Editor of the British Magazine (1833) 
Edward Cardwell 
http://books.google.com/books?id=r4oIAAAAQAAJ 

The Holy Bible, an exact reprint page for page of the Authorized Version published in the year 1611 (1833) 
http://www.archive.org/details/holybibleexactre00oxfouoft 

The annals of the English Bible (1845) 
Christopher Anderson 
http://www.archive.org/details/annalsofthebible01andeuoft - Vol 1 
http://www.archive.org/details/annalsofthebible02andeuoft - Vol 2 
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZzoXAAAAYAAJ - (1862, V 1&amp;2) 
Classic Reprints No. 73 (1862) 746 pages $75.00 

The translators revived: a biographical memoir of the authors of the English Version of the Holy Bible (1853) 
Alexander Wilson McClure 
http://books.google.com/books?id=HT4XAAAAYAAJ 
http://www.wilderness-cry.net/bible_study/translators/ 

The Desirability of Keeping the Authorized Version (1857) 
Joseph Charles Philpot 
http://www.holywordcafe.com/bible/resources 
http://www.radiomissions.org/gleanings/authvers.html/The_Desirability_of_Keeping_the_Authorized_Version.pdf 
extract from &quot;Sin &amp; Salvation&quot; 
http://books.google.com/books?id=1fFKNAAACAAJ 

Our Bible (1858) 
Nehemiah Adams 
http://www.archive.org/details/ourbible00adam 
http://books.google.com/books?id=HcVFcikaXnQC 

Solomon Caesar Malan 
A Plea for the Received Greek Text: And for the Authorized Version of the New Testament .(1869) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=n4UNAAAAYAAJ (full read) 
A Vindication of the Authorized Version, from Charges Brought against It by Recent Writers (1856), 
http://books.google.com/books?id=yvBmOwAACAAJ (no view) 
Seven Chapters of the Revision of 1881 XE &quot;English Revised Version&quot; of 1881 Revised (1881). 
http://books.google.com/books?id=9eVHPQAACAAJ (1881 no view) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=B71JHwAACAAJ (2007 Kessinger no view) 
David Cloud discussion 
http://www.wayoflife.org/files/c43b4ef2ba78f52f7398f6c1f82f5f13-13.html 

A Century of Bibles, Or, The Authorised Version from 1611 to 1711: To which is Added William 
Kilburne\'s Tract on Dangerous Errors in the late Printed Bibles (1659) ... (1872) 
William John Loftie, William Kilburne 
http://books.google.com/books?id=zxX3YbmJsioC 
http://www.archive.org/details/acenturybibleso00kilbgoog 

Old Bibles: or An account of the early versions of the English Bible (1876 1st ed) 
John Read Dore 
http://books.google.com/books?id=yxyTP__fHTgC 

Essay on the Right Estimation of Manuscript Evidence in the Text of the New Testament (1878) 
Thomas Rawson Birks 
http://books.google.com/books?id=ORxBAAAAYAAJ 
http://www.archive.org/details/essayonrightest00birkgoog 
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 16 138 pages $20.00 

Edmund Beckett (Lord Grimthorpe) 
Should the Revised New testament be Authorised ? (1882) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=FsUnAAAAYAAJ 
A reply [by E. Beckett] to Dr. Farrar\'s Answer to Sir Edmund Beckett\'s &quot;Should the Revised New Testament be Authorized&quot; ? 
http://books.google.com/books?id=aKoGAAAAQAAJ 
Beckett also tackles the grammatical blunders of the revision, such as many examples where the aorist tense is mistranslated by fallacious modernist theories. 

The Revised Version of the First Three Gospels Considered in its bearing upon the record of our Lord\'s words 
and of Incidents in his life (1882) 
Frederic Charles Cook 
http://books.google.com/books?id=FgcWAAAAYAAJ 
http://www.archive.org/details/revisedversionof00cook 
&quot;moderately and respectfully opposed&quot; - Schaaf An interesting work that shows that the Dean was not at all alone in the technical verse-by-verse exposure of revision blunders. 

The revision revised: three articles reprinted from the Quarterly Review. (1883) 
I. The New Greek Text. 
II. The New English Version. 
III. Westcott and Hort\'s New Textual Theory. 
To Which is added a reply to Bishop Ellicott\'s pamphlet in defence of the revisers and their Greek text of the New Testament: including a vindication of the traditional reading of 1 Timothy III. 16. 
John William Burgon 
http://books.google.com/books?id=nXkw1TAatV8C 
http://www.archive.org/details/a549037300burguoft 

The authorized edition of the English Bible (1611): its subsequent reprints and Modern Representatives (1884) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=KW8TuSNhBcMC 
Frederick Henry Ambrose Scrivener 

Defence of the version of king James i, \'The spirits in prison, 1 Pet. iii .18-20 Against the Westminster Revision (1885) 
Samuel Fuller 
http://books.google.com/books?id=bzcHAAAAQAAj 

A Guide to Textual Criticism of the New Testament (1886) 
Edward Miller, M. A. 
http://www.libertyparkusafd.org/lp/Burgon/cd-roms/111bible.html 
http://books.google.com/books?id=8iXOMAAACAA - Old Path reprint edition 
Note the section about early warning about false NT concepts emphasizing : 
Commentarius criticus in N.T (1853) Johann Georg Reiche (mentioned in depth by Frederic Charles Cook) 
Vaticanus Codex (1860)- A. Kuenen and C. G. Cobet 
&quot;‘there is no kind of error that is not frequently found in that manuscript as in all the rest.&quot; 
Vercellone, Ceriani, Abb Martin on Vaticanus 

Jabez Thomas Sunderland 
The origin and character of the Bible: and its place among sacred books (1893 1ed) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=HyRv78hkARsC 
The Bible and the Bible country (1910) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=vXDH75VFDuMC 

The Oxford Debate on the Textual Criticism of the New Testament Held at New College on May 6, 1897 with a Preface Explanatory of the Rival System - 
Contains speeches by: Edward Miller, William Sanday, Mr. Gwilliam, Mr. Allen, Mr. Bonus, Mr. Headlam 
Edward Miller, et al. 
http://www.archive.org/details/oxforddebateonte00sand 
http://books.google.com/books?id=9fAOAAAAQAAJ 
Classic Reprints No. 93 59 pages $15.00 

Studies in the syntax of the King James version (1907) 
James Moses Grainger 
http://books.google.com/books?id=MD0XAAAAYAAJ 

The authorized version of the Bible and its influence (1910) 
Albert Stanburrough Cook 
http://books.google.com/books?id=9GtHAAAAIAAJ 
Vance - Classic Reprints #13 - 30 pages $12 

Records of the English Bible 
The Documents Relating to the Translation and Publication of the Bible in English, 1525-1611 (1911) 
Alfred William Pollard 
http://bible.zoxt.net/pol/pollard.htm 
http://www.archive.org/details/recordsofenglish00polluoft 
http://books.google.com/books?id=2ipVAAAAMAAJ (full view) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=e1M94S7zYkwC (2007 limited) 
Report on the Making of the Version of the 1611 Presented to the Synod of Dort 
http://bible.zoxt.net/pol/_336.htm 

Our grand old Bible : being the story of the Authorized version of the English Bible told for the tercentenary celebration (1911) 
William Muir 
http://www.archive.org/details/ourgrandoldbible00muirrich 

The Greatest English Classic - A Study of the King James Version of the Bible and Its Influence on Life and Literature. 
Cleland Boyd McAfee, D.D. 
http://books.google.com/books?id=MIFLAAAAIAAJ 
http://www.bible-researcher.com/mcafee.html 

The King James Bible Translators (1982) 
Olga S. Opfell 
http://www.libertyparkusafd.org/lp/Burgon/cd-roms/130bible.html 

My Plea for the Old Sword (1997) 
Ian R. K. Paisley 
http://www.ianpaisley.org/plea.asp (full read) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=OqCwPAAACAAJ (no view) 

Wide as the Waters (2001) 
Benson Bobrick 
http://books.google.com/books?id=nl-zc0JkAtUC 
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0684847477/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&amp;condition=used 

In the Beginning: The Story of the King James Bible and How It Changed a Nation, a Language, and a Culture (2001) 
Alister McGrath 
http://books.google.com/books?id=t-iLuDI60O0C (no view) 

The Bible in English: its history and influence (2003) 
David Daniell 
http://books.google.com/books?id=uaMY9HQKwvMC 

God\'s secretaries: the making of the King James Bible (2003) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=PTJEVyb5XQYC 
Power and glory: Jacobean England and the making of the King James Bible (2004) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=M_eyAAAACAAJ 
Adam Nicolson 

King James, His Bible, and Its Translators (2006) 
Laurence Vance 
http://www.vancepublications.com/kjv.htm 
Bibliography is in .pdf 
http://www.vancepublications.com/kjv/kjv%20biblio.pdf 

The Glorious History of the King James Bible (2006) 
David W. Cloud 
http://books.google.com/books?id=P9lgAAAACAAJ (no view) 
http://www.wayoflife.org/publications/ebooks.html (ebook) 

A Complete History of the Several Translations of the Holy Bible and New Testament into English, both in Ms. and in Print: and of the Most Remarkable Editions of Them Since the Invention of Printing, 3rd ed., to which is now added, a list of various editions of the Bible, and parts thereof, in English. (1731) 
John Lewis 
http://books.google.com/books?id=32EuAAAAYAAJ Edition 2 (1739) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=3fyfAAAAMAAJ Edition 3 (1818) 
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/316570&amp;referer=brief_results 

The English Bible: History of the translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English Tongue (1856) 
Hannah Chaplin Conant 
http://books.google.com/books?id=2olHAAAAIAAJ 
The popular history of the translation of the Holy Scriptures into the Holy Scriptures into the English Tongue (1881) 
Hannah Chaplin Conant rev. ed. by Thomas J. Conant. 
http://books.google.com/books?id=X706oAkEjlkC 

The Bibles of England: A Plain Account for Plain People of the Principal Versions of the Bible in English. (1889) 
Andrew Edgar 
http://books.google.com/books?id=AuUaqb3KJ3oC 
http://books.google.com/books?id=DcZCAAAAIAAJ 
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 72 414 pages $45.00 

Thomas Curtis 
“Dr. Curtis on a Standard English Bible.” 
The Southern Presbyterian Review 11 (1859), 136-144. 
www.pcahistory.org/periodicals/spr/v11/11-1-6.pdf 

Henry R. Tedder 
“The Barkers and the Early History of the Bible-Patent.” 
The Library Chronicle 2 (1885), 161-166. 
http://books.google.com/books?id=3h8DAAAAYAAJ&amp;pg=PA161 

John F. Geneug 
“Why the Authorized Version Became an English Classic.” 
The Biblical World 37 (April 1911), 224-231. 
http://books.google.com/books?id=tLcNAQAAIAAJ&amp;pg=PA224 

D. Beaton 
“Notes on the History of the Authorised Version of the Bible in Scotland.” 
The Princeton Theological Review 9 (July 1911), 415-437. 
http://books.google.com/books?id=WQIMAAAAIAAJ&amp;pg=PA415 

“The King James Bible: Apropos of the Tercentenary.” 
The Century Magazine 82 (May 1911), 148-149. 
http://books.google.com/books?id=359Y2bRp6x4C&amp;pg=PA148 

L. Franklin. Gruber 
“The Version of 1611: Propriety of Calling it the ‘Authorized Version,’ or ‘King James’s Version.’ &quot; 
The Biblical World 42 (October 1913), 218-233. 
http://books.google.com/books?id=pJjNAAAAMAAJ&amp;pg=PA218 
&amp; 
The Authorization of the English Bible - Reprint #100 Laurence Vance 1881, 1913, 1948, 1991 &quot;Four articles from different perspectives on the subject of the authorization of the English Bible.&quot; 50 pages 

John Tiller 
“In the Steps of William Tyndale: Miles Smith As Bible Translator.” 
The Tyndale Society Journal 11 (December 1998), 27-33. 
http://www.tyndale.org/TSJ/11/tiller.html 

Bible in the Church: a popular account of the collection and reception of the Holy Scriptues in the Christian Churches 
Brooke Foss Westcott 
http://books.google.com/books?id=43gNAAAAYAAJ (1870) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=kEkXAAAAYAAJ (1905) 

A general view of the history of the English Bible 
Brooke Foss Westcott 
http://books.google.com/books?id=tAk93bh4jkcC (1872) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=-wQXAAAAYAAJ (1905) with William Aldis Wright 

The English Bible : an external and critical history of the various English translations of Scripture, with remarks on the need of revising the English New Testament (1876) 
John Eadie 
http://www.archive.org/details/theenglishbible00eadiuoft Vol 1 
http://books.google.com/books?id=RQA9AAAAYAAJ - Vol 1 
http://www.archive.org/details/englishbibleexte02eadiuoft - Vol 2 
http://books.google.com/books?id=UH1bAAAAMAAJ - Vol 2 
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 81 Two Volumes in One 975 pages $100.00 

The history of the English Bible (1878) 
William Fiddian Moulton 
http://books.google.com/books?id=s_8BAAAAQAAJ 
http://www.archive.org/details/historyofenglish00moul 

The history of the English Bible (1894) 
Thomas Harwood Pattison 
http://books.google.com/books?id=h648AAAAYAAJ 

The English Bible, a sketch of its history (1895) 
George Milligan 
http://books.google.com/books?id=cAkPAAAAQAAJ 

Our English Bible; the history of its development, 1611-1911 (1911) 
James Oliver Bevan 
http://www.archive.org/details/ourenglishbibleh00bevaiala 
http://books.google.com/books?id=jnLFreXpWywC (limited preview 2009 reprint) 

The ancestry of our English Bible: an account of the Bible versions, texts and Manuscripts (1906) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=gZJCAAAAIAAJ (full view) 
Ira Maurice Price 

The Book of Books and Its Wonderful Story (1922) 
John William Lea 
http://www.archive.org/details/bookofbooksitswo00leaj 

A brief history of the English version of the New Testament first published at Rheims in 1582, continued down to the present day (1940) 
Hugh Pope 
http://books.google.com/books?id=moeTPQAACAAJ 

English Versions of the Bible, revised and amplified by Sebastian Bullough. (1952.) 
Hugh Pope 
http://books.google.com/books?id=DunaAAAAMAAJ 

Illustrations of Biblical Literature Vol. 2 (1847) 
James Townley 
http://books.google.com/books?id=WOwUAAAAYAAJ p. 393 - Chapter X Seventeenth Century 
http://books.google.com/books?id=1oaeIIgKTdIC (2007) 

Frank Ely Gaebelein, 
Down through the Ages ; the story of the King James Bible. (1924). 
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2376104/editions?editionsView=true&amp;referer=br 
http://books.google.com/books?id=3pFIGQAACAAJ (no view) 
The Story of the King James Bible (1950) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=L5YGGQAACAAJ 

A Plain Account of the English Bible From the Earliest Times of its Translation to the Present Day (1870) 
John Henry Blunt 
http://books.google.com/books?id=1gUsAAAAYAAJ 
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 111 125 pages $20.00 

The English Bible &amp; Its Story: Its Growth, Its Translators &amp; Their Adventures. (1928) 
James Baikie 
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/3434507/editions?editionsView=true&amp;referer=di 
http://books.google.com/books?id=jNduPAAACAA (no view) 
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=770184147 
Lands And People Of The Bible 
http://books.google.com/books?id=9kUTSynnxfQC 

Our Own English Bible (1913) - 3 Volumes 
William James Heaton 
Vol 1 : its translators and their work, the manuscript period 
http://www.archive.org/details/ourownenglishbib00heat - Vol 1 
Vol 2 - The Bible of the Reformation, 
Vol 3 - The Puritan Bible, and Other Contemporaneous Protestant Versions. 
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 74 Three Volumes in One 1913, 1914 986 pages $100.00. 

John Livingston Lowes 
Essays in Appreciation. (1936) 
&quot;The Noblest Monument of English Prose&quot; (one essay) 
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/320454841&amp;referer=brief_results 
Reprinted by Laurence Vance 
http://www.vancepublications.com/classic%20reprints.htm 
http://www.vancepublications.com/cr/cr101ex.pdf (Four pages) 
&quot;I have deliberately refrained from naming in my title the masterpiece to which my descriptive phrase applies ... &quot; 

Our Roving Bible: tracking its influence through English and American life (1945) 
Lawrence Emerson Nelson 
http://books.google.com/books?id=JskUAAAAMAAJ (no view) 
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/382215/editions?editionsView=true&amp;referer=br 

The literary impact of the Authorized Version (1950) 
Clive Staples Lewis (C. S. Lewis) 
http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/kjv_lewis.pdf (read) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=eTUVPQAACAAJ (no view) 
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/353285/editions?editionsView=true&amp;referer=br 

The Excellence of the Authorized Version of the Sacred Scriptures defended against the Socinians (1820) 
By James Lister 
http://books.google.com/books?id=_ky8GwAACAAJ (no view) 
http://www.wayoflife.org/files/219cd36084ed2b9443d1330f33990457-30.html 
Classic Reprints No. 47 32 pages $12.00 

Objections to a Baptist version of the New Testament (1837) 
William Theophilus Brantly, Octavius Winslow 
http://books.google.com/books?id=3CgZAAAAYAAJ (full view) 
Classic Reprints No. 46 66 pages $15.00 

The burning of the Bibles: defence of the Protestant version of the scriptures against the attacks of popish apologists (1843) 
John Dowling 
http://books.google.com/books?id=d3Q2AAAAMAAJ (full view) 
Classic Reprints No. 54 141 pages $25.00 

The old-fashioned Bible, or Ten reasons against the proposed Baptist version of the New Testament: a discourse delivered at Hope Chapel, Broadway, March 31st, 1850 (1850) 
John Dowling 
http://books.google.com/books?id=vkSMHwAACAAJ (no view) 
Classic Reprints No. 35 36 pages $12.00 

An Apology for the Common English Bible and a Review of the Extraordinary Changes Made in it by Managers of the American Bible Society (1857) 
Arthur Cleveland Coxe 
http://books.google.com/books?id=iEK1lSXqEC8C (full view) 
http://www.archive.org/details/anapo...rcom00coxegoog 
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 48 72 pages $15.00 

For Love of the Bible: The Battle for the King James Version and the Greek Received Text from 1800 to Present. 4th edition, March 2006, 518 pages 
http://www.wayoflife.org/publications/topicalbooks.html 

Laurence Vance - Classic Reprints 
http://www.vancepublications.com/classic%20reprints.htm 

Francis Fry 

The first New Testament printed in the English language, 1525 or 1526 
http://books.google.com/books?id=CrYOAAAAQAAJ 
http://www.archive.org/details/firstnewtestame00tyndgoog 

The Bible by Coverdale, MDXXXV. Remarks on the titles; the year of publication; the preliminary, the water marks, &amp;c., with fac-similes 
http://books.google.com/books?id=ovmfAAAAMAAJ 
http://www.archive.org/details/biblebycoverdale00fryfrich 

A description of the Great Bible, 1539, and the six editions of Cranmer\'s Bible, 1540 and 1541, printed by Grafton and Whitchurch : also of the editions, in large folio, of the Authorized Version of the Holy Scriptures, printed in the years 1611, 1613, 1617, 1634, 1640 
http://books.google.com/books?id=1kukQAAACAAJ (No View) 
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/5068228&amp;referer=brief_results 
http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/20048684&amp;referer=brief_results 

Classic Reprints No. 53 
A brief memoir of Francis Fry, F.S.A., of Bristol By Theodore Fry 
http://books.google.com/books?id=FwMA2mzHrh0C 
The Works of Francis Fry on the Tyndale, Coverdale, Great, Bishop\'s, and King James Bibles, With a Brief Memoir of the Author by His Son - Four Books in One - 1865-1887 - 568 pages $100.00

The Authorized Version of the New Testament in Connection with Some Recent Proposals for Its Revision. (1858) 
Richard Chenevix Trench 
http://books.google.com/books?id=RNYNAAAAYAAJ (1858) Connection 
http://books.google.com/books?id=Q6oCAAAAQAAJ (1859) Connexion 
http://www.archive.org/details/ontheauthorizedv00trenuoft 

On a Fresh Revision of the English Old Testament (1873) 
Samuel Davidson 
http://www.archive.org/details/onafreshrevisio00davigoog 

Bible English : chapters on old and disused expressions in the authorized version of the Scriptures and the Book of common prayer : with illustrations from contemporary literature (1875) 
Thomas Lewis Owen Davies 
http://www.archive.org/details/bibleenglishchap00daviiala 
http://books.google.com/books?id=XhwbUY9U5NUC (limited preview 2009 reprint) 

The English Bible : an external and critical history of the various English translations of Scripture, with remarks on the need of revising the English New Testament (1876) 
John Eadie 
http://www.archive.org/details/theenglishbible00eadiuoft Vol 1 
http://books.google.com/books?id=RQA9AAAAYAAJ - Vol 1 
http://www.archive.org/details/englishbibleexte02eadiuoft - Vol 2 
http://books.google.com/books?id=UH1bAAAAMAAJ - Vol 2 
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 81 Two Volumes in One 975 pages $100.00 

Companion to the Revised Version of the New Testament explaining the reasons for the changes made on the authorized version (1881) 
Alexander Roberts 
http://books.google.com/books?id=hXEWAAAAYAAJ 

Texts and margins of the Revised New Testament Affecting Theological Doctrine Briefly Reviewed (1881) 
George Vance Smith 
http://books.google.com/books?id=5DcHAAAAQAAJ 

Lectures on Bible revision, with an appendix containing the prefaces to the chief historical editions of the English Bible (1881) 
Samuel Newth 
http://books.google.com/books?id=IpsCAAAAQAAJ 

Authorized or Revised? Sermons on Some of the Texts in Which the Revised Version Differs from the Authorized (1882) 
Charles John Vaughan 
http://books.google.com/books?id=JfX0rk6zXeEC 
http://www.archive.org/details/authorizedorrevi00vaugiala 

Contributions to a new revision, or, A critical companion to the New Testament being a series of notes on the original text, with the view of securing greater uniformity in its English rendering. Including the chief alterations of the &quot;Revision&quot; of 1881 and of the 
American Committee (1881) 
Robert Young 
http://books.google.com/books?id=LZssAAAAYAAJ 
Young was paraphrasing and thought to be helping the reader to choose between the English and the American (afaik not yet published) and his own translations, as well as a future revision revision. Evangelical magazine and missionary chronicle (1882) while liking his overall body of work called this one of his \'crotchets\'. 

Companion to the revised Old Testament (1885) 
Talbot Wilson Chambers 
http://books.google.com/books?id=NH0fAAAAYAAJ 

Notes on the Amended English Bible With Special Reference to Certain Texts in the Revised Version of the Old and New Testaments Bearing upon the Principles of Unitarian Christianity (1887) 
Henry Ierson 
http://www.archive.org/details/notesonthebible00iersuoft 
http://books.google.com/books?id=thofAAAAYAAJ 
Vance - Classic Reprints No. 44 188 pages $30.00 

The Cambridge paragraph Bible of the authorized English version : with the text revised... marginal references... and a critical introduction prefixed - Scrivener, Frederick Henry Ambrose, 1813-1891 
Edited for the Syndics of the University press 
http://www.archive.org/details/cambridgeparagra00scri

The reformed roots of the English New Testament: 
The Influence of Theodore Beza on the English New Testament 
Irena Dorota Backus (1980) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=0OnYAAAAMAAJ (no view) 
$26 on Powell - $20 or more 

The Reformation of the Bible/The Bible of the Reformation (1996) 
Jaroslav Pelikan, Valerie R. Hotchkiss, David Price 
http://books.google.com/books?id=ncUGrlCjHzAC 

In Discordance with the Scriptures: American Protestant Battles over Translating the Bible. (1999) 
Peter Johannes Thuesen 
http://books.google.com/books?id=Parz1Sxd8BsC (Limited) 

Faith, reason, and revelation in Theodore Beza, 1519-1605 (2003) 
Jeffrey Mallinson 
http://books.google.com/books?id=0k5CAc64mK8C 

Theodorus Beza and New Testament conjectural emendation (2003) 
Jan Krans 
http://books.google.com/books?id=fVfzPAAACAAJ (no view) 

Beyond what is written: Erasmus and Beza as conjectural critics of the New Testament 
Jan Krans 
http://books.google.com/books?id=zi6JAAAAMAAJ (no view) 

Whose Bible Is It?: A Short History of the Scriptures (2006) 
Jaroslav Pelikan 
http://books.google.com/books?id=ms_UHjwUEsoC (limited) 
Whose Bible Is It? A History of the Scriptures Through the Ages. (2005.) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=aU_GAAAACAAJ (no view, same book) 

Theodore de Beze (1519-1605) (2007) 
Irena Dorota Backus, Institut d\'histoire de la Réformation 
http://books.google.com/books?id=GRekani7lxAC 

Our Authorized Bible Vindicated (1930) 
Benjamin George Wilkinson 
http://kjv.benabraham.com/html/our_authorized_bible_vindicate.html 
http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-Resource%20Library/Our%20Authorized%20Bible%20Vindicated.pdf 
Answers to Ojbections to Our Authorized Bible 
A reply to the review of my book Our authorized Bible vindicated 
http://kjv.benabraham.com/html/answers_to_objections_to_kjv_b.html 
http://books.google.com/books?id=xz_TGwAACAAJ - No View 

The King James Version Defended (1956) 
Edward F. Hills 
http://www.wilderness-cry.net/bible_study/books/kjv-defended/index.html - Full 
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/kjvdefen.htm - Full 
Believing Bible Study (1967) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=f-zjQAAACAAJ - No View 

Forever Settled - A Survey of the Documents and History of the Bible (1985) 
Jack Moorman 
http://www.wilderness-cry.net/bible_study/courses/forever_settled/kjcforv1.html 

Manuscript Evidence Class 
Dr. Thomas Holland 
http://purewords.org/kjb1611/html/holland.htm 
Crowned With Glory: The Bible from Ancient Text to Authorized Version (2000) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=0hYCAAAACAAJ - no view 

Modern Bible Translations Unmasked/Supplement - (1998) 
Russell R &amp; Colin D Standish 
www.champs-of-truth.com/reform/STN_MBTU.PDF - Full 
http://www.sundaylaw.net/books/other/standish/bibletrans/mbtutoc.htm Full 
http://books.google.com/books?id=Hab5kh_BKUgC - Limited 

Which Version (2004) 
Floyd Nolen Jones 
www.christianmissionconnection.org/Which_Version_is_the_Bible.pdf (17th edition 1999) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=ez8SAAAACAAJ - NOVIEW 
Ripped Out of the Bible (8th edition, 1998) 
www.christianmissionconnection.org/Ripped_from_the_Bible.pdf');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1460', '1353b2f657', 'KJB list', '[quote:1353b2f657]However, I do think you have an exceedingly well informed readership, who will generally do fine even with the current labels.[/quote:1353b2f657]
Thanks Steven. The aim is to increase the knowledge of those who we can now classify as on the fringe. That is, there are many that are not actively anti-KJB only but they are still in ignorance on the many vital issues surrounding the necessity of a pure, authoritative Bible. We don\'t want to stick with the current readership (ie. be static) but increase in every way. Currently, we make sure that every new Christian understands the version issue and this takes time and considerable effort. I know personally that there are many Christians who have barely an inkling of the import of this whole area.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1461', '613a2629ef', 'KJB defender books on net', '[color=darkblue:613a2629ef]Hi Folks,

Next are KJB defenders who have full books on the net.  
Each one could do well with our own little blurb.
[/color:613a2629ef]
[color=darkred:613a2629ef]Our Authorized Bible Vindicated (1930)
Benjamin George  Wilkinson 
http://kjv.benabraham.com/html/our_authorized_bible_vindicate.html
http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-Resource%20Library/Our%20Authorized%20Bible%20Vindicated.pdf
Answers to Ojbections to Our Authorized Bible
A reply to the review of my book Our authorized Bible vindicated 
http://kjv.benabraham.com/html/answers_to_objections_to_kjv_b.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=xz_TGwAACAAJ - No View 

The King James Version Defended (1956)
Edward F. Hills
http://www.wilderness-cry.net/bible_study/books/kjv-defended/index.html - Full 
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/kjvdefen.htm - Full 
Believing Bible Study (1967) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=f-zjQAAACAAJ - No View

Forever Settled - A Survey of the Documents and History of the Bible (1985)
Jack Moorman
http://www.wilderness-cry.net/bible_study/courses/forever_settled/kjcforv1.html

Manuscript Evidence Class
Dr. Thomas Holland
http://purewords.org/kjb1611/html/holland.htm
Crowned With Glory: The Bible from Ancient Text to Authorized Version (2000)
http://books.google.com/books?id=0hYCAAAACAAJ - no view

Modern Bible Translations Unmasked/Supplement - (1998)
Russell R &amp; Colin D Standish
www.champs-of-truth.com/reform/STN_MBTU.PDF -  Full 
http://www.sundaylaw.net/books/other/standish/bibletrans/mbtutoc.htm Full
http://books.google.com/books?id=Hab5kh_BKUgC - Limited

Which Version (2004)
Floyd Nolen Jones 
www.christianmissionconnection.org/Which_Version_is_the_Bible.pdf  (17th edition 1999)
http://books.google.com/books?id=ez8SAAAACAAJ - NOVIEW
Ripped Out of the Bible (8th edition, 1998)
www.christianmissionconnection.org/Ripped_from_the_Bible.pdf [/color:613a2629ef]
[color=darkblue:613a2629ef]
Shalom,
Steven[/color:613a2629ef]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1463', '270b842c65', 'The Protector, 18 October 2009', '[img:270b842c65]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:270b842c65]

[color=red:270b842c65]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:270b842c65]

WELCOME! [i:270b842c65]The Protector[/i:270b842c65] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:270b842c65][color=darkblue:270b842c65]EDITORIAL[/color:270b842c65][/size:270b842c65]

REMEMBERING GOD

It is important that Christians understand that who they are, where they have come from, and where they are going.

Because of God’s grace, a Christian has been made the head, not the tail. But this is conditional on knowing and keeping God’s ways. “And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them” (Deut. 28:13).

Things can seem to go well, and people can forget God. “Beware that thou forget not the LORD thy God, in not keeping his commandments, and his judgments, and his statutes, which I command thee this day” (Deut. 8:11.)

Many times people blame God for the troubles they are in, but their own sin has led them to that place. Many have an improper view of salvation, and do not know that they can be saved.

Now the Lord tries His children, and wants to turn them from sin, “And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him” (Heb. 12:5).

“But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.” (2 Pet. 1:9).

There are many examples in the New Testament which say that believers are “in Christ”. The place of freedom, victory and so on is by seeing that we are “in Christ”. Salvation is in Christ. It is not because we deserved it, but a gift from God.

[size=18:270b842c65][color=darkblue:270b842c65]NEWS[/color:270b842c65][/size:270b842c65]

List of online materials on the KJB
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1462#1462[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:270b842c65][color=darkblue:270b842c65]DIRECTORY[/color:270b842c65][/size:270b842c65]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1464', '48a2e945ea', 'Concerning enemies of God\'s work', '&quot;But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.&quot; (Jude 17,18).

This verse shows the great difference between those who want the work of God to increase and those who don\'t. God\'s work is forwarded as we remember - &quot;remember ye the words which were spoken&quot;. Those against God\'s work are also against His words - they are &quot;mockers in the last time&quot;.

Christians must be aware of such enemies and remember God\'s words. This enables us to answer when necessary and safeguard the treasures entrusted to the saints. The foundations of our faith must be safeguarded in our life: &quot;If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?&quot; (Psalm 11:3).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1471', 'dc4eda10ba', 'The Protector, 25 October 2009', '[img:dc4eda10ba]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:dc4eda10ba]

[color=red:dc4eda10ba]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:dc4eda10ba]

WELCOME! [i:dc4eda10ba]The Protector[/i:dc4eda10ba] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:dc4eda10ba][color=darkblue:dc4eda10ba]EDITORIAL[/color:dc4eda10ba][/size:dc4eda10ba]

LINE UPON LINE

“For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little” (Isaiah 28:10).

This is the basic principle of Scripture. Knowledge of the truth is built up by study, and by comparing Scripture with Scripture.

“For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.” (Isaiah 28:11)

This verse is prophetic.

New Testament tongues by Gentile Christians, who witness the Gospel abroad. This is continued by Traditional Pentecostalism. It seems foolish that such a people with such a doctrine would be used of God, but it is only foolish to the mind of men.

This verse is also a prophecy of the use of the English language by certain Gentile Christians using the King James Bible to preach the Gospel to the Jews in the latter days. Again, this seems foolish, and the people engaged in this mission may seem absurd to the carnal mind.

“To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.” (Isaiah 28:12).

The message of the Gospel and the latter days glory of the Church. Even though the Jews have long resisted the Gospel, there is a reaching of them. Also, that certain unbelievers in the world will persist in their hardness.

“But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.” (Isaiah 28:13).

The rejection of the Gospel by the Jews for many ages is a chief cause of their troubles, including the upcoming invasion by Gog and Magog. This verse is also warning of worse manifestations upon apostate Christians.

[size=18:dc4eda10ba][color=darkblue:dc4eda10ba]NEWS[/color:dc4eda10ba][/size:dc4eda10ba]

Perfection out of imperfection?
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=370[/url]

List of online materials on the KJB
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1462#1462[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:dc4eda10ba][color=darkblue:dc4eda10ba]DIRECTORY[/color:dc4eda10ba][/size:dc4eda10ba]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1466', 'c34cd02c97', 'more KJB defender books on net', '[color=darkblue:c34cd02c97]Hi Folks,

William Grady is available in audio.
Douglas Stauffer has two chapters on the net.[/color:c34cd02c97]
[color=darkred:c34cd02c97]
Final Authority - A Christian’s Guide to the King James Bible.  
Dr.William P. Grady.
http://books.google.com/books?id=_fhUAAAACAAJ
The Entire Book Read by the Author
http://www.biblebelievers.com/Grady/Final_Authority.html

One Book Stands Alone  (2001)
Douglas D. Stauffer 
http://books.google.com/books?id=NtwIAAAACAAJ NOVIEW 
http://www.biblebelievers.com/stauffer/stauffer_OBSA-index.html (chapters 2 &amp; 3)
One Book Rightly Divided (1999) 
http://books.google.com/books?id=EkgbPQAACAAJ NOVIEW
[/color:c34cd02c97][color=darkblue:c34cd02c97]
Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:c34cd02c97]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1467', 'abd3b92180', 'Re: more KJB defender books on net', '[color=darkblue:abd3b92180]Hi Folks,

10/20/2009
3 Books added above

George Perkins Marsh
George Salmon
Frederic Kenyon

Shalom,
Steven[/color:abd3b92180]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1468', '48a9d82c04', 'What is faith?', 'If you find yourself wavering, keep filling your mind and your mouth with the Word, it is the Sword of the Spirit, and it will drive out the doubt. It takes courage and persistance when you\'re standing in faith, but God won\'t let you down. It is also helpful and comforting to find a like-minded Christian who believes the Word, and pray the prayer of faith with them. The prayer of faith is one based on God\'s Word, and believes God\'s Word.

&quot;And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess [i:48a9d82c04]your [/i:48a9d82c04]faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.&quot; (James 5:15, 16).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1469', 'aad547c646', 'Perfection out of imperfection?', 'How can the Scripture be presented perfectly today, when it wasn’t in the past?

How can there be a refinement and purification in the Received Tradition, and yet a final perfection today?

Deut. 32:4 “He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.”

Isaiah 9:2 “The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.”

At one time the Canon was not complete. But then it was.

At one time no manuscript of the Bible had the correct text. But then one was.

At one time no translation was perfect. But then one was.

At one time, no presentation of Scripture was flawless. But then one was.

Scattering, error, weakness and so on are not strong enough to keep the Word of God from people. God is not so weak as though He cannot work with His Word through history.

2 Peter 3:4 “And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.”

Does incompleteness continue from the inspiration until today and into the future? Does textual variety continue to dominate? Does translation variation continue to multiply?

The answer is NO! The Scripture was never inconsistent, though copies may have been. The Scripture was never impure, though versions and translations may have been.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1470', '9839e499d5', 'Concerning enemies of God\'s work', 'The Roman Catholic institution has historically opposed the work of the Protestant Reformation, which was active in producing the King James Bible. It is now a tragedy that the Church of England (once a major part of the Protestant Reformation) has consistently degenerated to deny its very foundations - Rome has now almost completely undermined it as a continuing viable witness: see http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6883151.ece#

Those who believe the Bible must understand the necessity for purity and to stand for truth, regardless of the opposition faced. &quot;Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.&quot; (1 Timothy 6:5). &quot;Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you&quot; (2 Corinthians 6:17).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1472', '0f37110454', 'PCE w/Translators to the Reader?', 'Hello,
  Is anyone aware of a PCE other than the one sold here that has both [i:0f37110454]The Epistle Dedicatory[/i:0f37110454] and the [i:0f37110454]Translators to the Reader[/i:0f37110454]?

My paperback Collins and Allan Pitt Minion each have [i:0f37110454]The Epistle Dedicatory[/i:0f37110454] (seems common to include) and I have a Hendrickson\'s 1611 reproduction containing both (but not PCE), but I would like to have a PCE with both, if it is even possible to find something like that. Naturally I would prefer a leather cover but would be happy with a hardback.

Thanks in advance,
Harley');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1473', '943de6555c', '', 'The TTTTR is in the Brevier style Cambridge printings, but I don\'t think they are in print any more. This style, however, did not use italic typeface. Sometimes it has the Apocrypha as well.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1474', '38dbba426b', 'The Protector, 1 November 2009', '[img:38dbba426b]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:38dbba426b]

[color=red:38dbba426b]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:38dbba426b]

WELCOME! [i:38dbba426b]The Protector[/i:38dbba426b] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:38dbba426b][color=darkblue:38dbba426b]EDITORIAL[/color:38dbba426b][/size:38dbba426b]

THE TRYING OF THE WORD

Ever since Scripture has been in the Earth, it has been tried.

“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.” (Psalm 12:6).

This verse not only talks about the Word of God in a general way, but applies to the King James Bible.

The King James Bible has undergone two important areas of trying. The first is the attack of the world on the Word of God, the devils, atheists and unbelievers have “tried” the Scripture, and yet it has come up as true, it has been vindicated every time.

The King James Bible is, it appears, the most slandered and attacked book of all time, yet it is also the most vindicated and upheld.

The second area is that Christians themselves have used the Bible, and continue to use the King James Bible. Many Christians have accepted the King James Bible as true on simple faith. Received tradition upheld it. Others have investigated it more throughly, and have testified of its accuracy. 

“For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.” (1 Thess. 2:13).

If someone argues that there could be lingering mistakes in the King James Bible, we could point to the fact that millions of people used the King James Bible with no problems at all, and that there is a strong testimony that the King James Bible is right. After all, it has passed through so many hands, been read by so many, believed by so many, maintained by so many, that the continuation of the King James Bible this day is a testimony of its purity and rightness.

[size=18:38dbba426b][color=darkblue:38dbba426b]NEWS[/color:38dbba426b][/size:38dbba426b]

List of online materials on the KJB
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1462#1462[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:38dbba426b][color=darkblue:38dbba426b]DIRECTORY[/color:38dbba426b][/size:38dbba426b]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1475', '49077c1654', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'Creation Ministries International in their November 2009 Update has an article entitled &quot;The Issue of Issues (and no, it\'s not creation/evolution)&quot;. The following is a quote from it: &quot;Of the issues that are most important in Christianity, there is one that overshadows, engulfs and trumps them all. It is the one issue that can truly be called the \'issue of issues\' in Christianity - [i:49077c1654]the truth and authority of the Bible[/i:49077c1654]. As Christianity\'s enemies have long recognised, this is the place upon which all the \'lines in the sand\' converge to draw the ultimate battle line. Give way on this, and all the other issues become irrelevant ... It may not be instantly obvious, but if you allow for a moment that the Bible is [b:49077c1654]not [/b:49077c1654]totally true and trustworthy, then suddenly nothing else matters.&quot;

This quote is certainly something that can be agreed upon by those who hold to one perfect Bible, namely the King James Bible. The problem with ministries like Creation Ministries International is that when they point to this issue, they cannot rightly or properly respond to the obvious question: &quot;[b:49077c1654]Which Bible?[/b:49077c1654]&quot; In fact, in their midst, there are teachers that positively fight against the idea of one perfect Bible and especially against the idea that it is the King James Bible. What a complete tragedy this is! The issue of issues is recognised but the solution is denied. The only result from this disunity in their midst is that their position becomes progressively undermined and, in fact, sneered at by many who might otherwise see the truth. The very fact that there is no addressing of the plethora of [b:49077c1654]contradictory modern versions[/b:49077c1654] shows that they truly do not understand the fundamental issue (though they recognise that having an authoritative Bible is needed!!).

Pray that the blinkers come off such ministries. &quot;Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember?&quot; (Mark 8:18). This is what is desired: &quot;But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.&quot; (Matthew 13:16).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1476', '149a1a87da', 'New sites for King James Bible believers', 'Greetings saints.  As some of you may know Geocities recently shut down all its online sites and they are no longer accessible. Both brother Marty Shue and myself have had two online sites for a few years now that defend the King James Bible as being the only inspired, complete, preserved and 100% true words of God.   We have both written many articles defending The Book and showing where all modern versions are inferior and corrupt.

So we have both moved our sites to new locations.

My site, Another King James Bible believer, can be found here:

http://brandplucked.webs.com/

And Marty’s AV Defense site is now found here:

http://www.avdefense.webs.com/articles.html

There is also another good King James Bible defense site some of you may not know about.  It is called KJV - Asia, and is set up by brother Charles Shong of Singapore.  Here is his site:

http://www.kjv-asia.com/index.htm

By His grace, believing The Book.

“Kept by the power of God through faith” - 1 Peter 1:5

Will Kinney');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1477', '2825a45a0e', 'God is faithful', '&quot;If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [i:2825a45a0e]our [/i:2825a45a0e]sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.&quot; (1 John 1:9)

God demonstrates His faithfulness when He forgives sins confessed to Him. The Bible says that &quot;He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh [i:2825a45a0e]them [/i:2825a45a0e]shall have mercy.&quot; (Proverbs 28:13). God faithfully upholds this. He always demonstrates consistency. If God\'s Word says He will do something, He will do it. People can waver, but God never does.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1478', '78eeba3e78', 'The Protector, 8 November 2009', '[img:78eeba3e78]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:78eeba3e78]

[color=red:78eeba3e78]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:78eeba3e78]

WELCOME! [i:78eeba3e78]The Protector[/i:78eeba3e78] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:78eeba3e78][color=darkblue:78eeba3e78]EDITORIAL[/color:78eeba3e78][/size:78eeba3e78]

5 NOVEMBER AGAIN

Early on the fifth of November, 1605, Guy Fawkes was arrested while hiding in a cellar under Parliament, Westminster, waiting for the opening of the Parliament by King James, who would be present with the entire government of England. Fawkes and his Catholic conspirators had plotted to blow up, with 36 barrels of gunpowder, the House containing all the leaders of England. This Jesuit-inspired terrorist act was caught, and the public rejoiced, knowing that it was God who had delivered them. Every year a remembrance was made, showing the providence of God, and the keeping of England from the Catholic “powder treason and plot”.

I commented last year in my testimony,

[quote:78eeba3e78]It has not been a coincidence that ... in Australia, which has been a national vessel for the preserving of the Church and the Word as was once supreme in England. “Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off” (Jeremiah 31:10a). There have been many signs of this, including the 400 year anniversary of the Gunpowder Plot, where history repeated itself in thwarting Islamist terrorists in Australia.[/quote:78eeba3e78]

These terrorists were called, “The Barwon 13”.

If history repeated itself, it certainly does not bode well for America, which shows signs of failed “manifest destiny” and a withdrawal of Providence.

“The Fort Hood shooting occurred on November 5, 2009, at Fort Hood ... A gunman opened fire in the Soldier Readiness Center, killing 13 people and wounding 30 others.” (Wikipedia).

This man is a Muslim terrorist.

“The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.” (Ecc. 1:9).

As for those who think real Islam is “good” or “peaceful”.

“Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter\'s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?” (Isaiah 26:19).

[size=18:78eeba3e78][color=darkblue:78eeba3e78]NEWS[/color:78eeba3e78][/size:78eeba3e78]

List of online materials on the KJB
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1462#1462[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:78eeba3e78][color=darkblue:78eeba3e78]DIRECTORY[/color:78eeba3e78][/size:78eeba3e78]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1479', 'c8a1e64840', 'What is faith?', 'Faith is at our disposal, in our hearts. It is not something that should be kept small and barely used, but should be put to work and let loose on the things the devil tries to send along, like sickness, and strife. The Word of God says &quot;Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.&quot; (James 4:7) The devil has no choice but to flee, when a Christian uses the Sword of the Spirit in faith.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1480', 'c907aa018e', '2 Years and Good Things', '[quote:c907aa018e]Here\'s to the next good year my friend.

Atlas[/quote:c907aa018e]

It is simply amazing how time seems to fly by.
Two years of Bible Protector board discussions.
The pure words of God are being printed for the folk.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1481', 'c061080be0', 'KJB defender books', '[color=darkblue:c061080be0]Hi Folks,

George Sayles Bishop added to historical defense books (although not available on net, many quotes are used ).

Now it would be good to also add a lot of the defense books that are not on the net.
==================================================================

Internal evidence of inspiration vol 3 (1938)
Harry Rimmer
http://books.google.com/books?id=Tk9qPgAACAAJ - NOVIEW

Which Bible ? (1977 ed 5)
David Otis Fuller 
http://books.google.com/books?id=-50KNAAACAAJ

The Authorized King James Bible Defended, (1983)
http://books.google.com/books?id=X8I8HAAACAAJ - NOVIEW
Chester A. Murray

Search for the Word of God: A Defense of the King James Version (1984)
Daniel L. Segraves
http://books.google.com/books?id=b1o1AAAACAAJ 

James H. Sightler 
A testimony founded for ever: the King James Bible defended in faith and history (1999 ed 2)
http://books.google.com/books?id=2GXvAAAACAAJ
http://www.sightlerpublications.com/bookstore/bookstore1.htm
 Lively Oracles - The Inspired Bible In The Hearts of Believers.
http://www.sightlerpublications.com/bookstore/bookstore3.htm 
http://books.google.com/books?id=WuBaAAAACAAJ
Silver Words And Pure - Tried in a Furnace of Earth. Questions and Answeres
http://www.sightlerpublications.com/bookstore/bookstore4.htm

Touch not the unclean thing: the Bible translation controversy and the principle of separation  (2001)
David Henry Sorenson 
http://books.google.com/books?id=JvnZPAAACAAJ NOVIEW

Answers to Your Bible Version Questions (2003)
David W. Daniels
http://books.google.com/books?id=vDrfOawsb4UC - Limited

Thou Shalt Keep Them.  A Biblical Theology of the Perfect Preservation of Scripture. (2003)
Kent Brandenburg, Editor. 
http://books.google.com/books?id=wfFJAAAACAAJ
 Preface by Gary Webb.  Contributing authors: Kent Brandenburg, Thomas Corkish, Gary La More, Charles Nichols, Thomas M. Strouse, David Sutton, Gary Webb.  

A More Sure Word: Which Bible Can You Trust? (2008)  
R.B. Ouellette
http://www.amazon.com/More-Sure-Word-Which-Bible/dp/1598940473

Origin of the Critical Text (2008)
H. D. Williams 
http://www.lovethebook.com/AllPress.aspx?pub=The+Old+Paths+Publications%2C+Inc.
http://books.google.com/books?id=8CICPgAACAAJ (No View)
Old Paths Publications

Shalom,
Steven [/color:c061080be0]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1482', 'fa33513a14', 'Book review.', 'An Amazon book review of &quot;A More Sure Word: Which Bible Can You Trust?&quot; by R.B. Ouellette tells us of its good value:

&quot;Just recently the NIV translation committee announced that they will be releasing a new version in 2011 and their exact words were, \'This time we\'ll get it right.\' Amazing! This book cuts through the spider web of conflicting terms and arguments and makes a clear case for choosing the KJV.&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1483', 'df59bb0187', 'Inspiration and Peservation', 'It is very obvious to any Bible believing person that will take time to think, that without preservation, inspiration is held to be meaningless.
*******
In fact, the Bible\'s own claims are that of both inspiration with preservation.
Those that balk at this have no sure word.
They have no pure Bible as the Bible says. So they should stop saying they believe in the Bible when they have no Bible.
They think it is impure. Then they should refrain from calling a Bible a Bible.
*******
Steven Alexander Coston Sr. has written a large article including great points like this. In his own words..
[quote:df59bb0187]It should be noted that some have attempted to speculate on why God did not choose to preserve the &quot;original manuscripts&quot; by stating that man would worship them. This is fallacious for man worships things all the time that he doesn\'t know, understand, or necessarily have. Many people have as their &quot;god&quot; money, power, sex, cars, toys, etc. Some don\'t have any yet still lust for them, others have some yet want more.

But this is made even more clear when we consider what the word of God has to say on the matter. The first text is Acts 17:22-23:

&quot;THEN Paul stood in the midst of Mars\' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.&quot;

Here is a case of people ignorantly worshiping a false god that they physically didn\'t even have a statue relic, or visible representation of, yet they worshiped anyway. The next text is found in John 4:22:

&quot;Ye worship ye know not what: we know that we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.&quot;

Here true worship in the true &quot;religion&quot; is contrasted with false and ignorant worship of something that is relatively unknown and certainly not possessed! So clearly, the opinion that God didn\'t preserve the &quot;originals&quot; simply to avoid them being worshiped is fallacious indeed. Actually the reason is quite simple, God didn\'t preserve the physical &quot;original autographs&quot; themselves because he didn\'t need t! The apographs (copies) themselves have preserved His word as outlined in the scriptural passages above.

Now, let us consider one last question:

Question [I]: When you correct the &quot;Bible&quot; Mr. Bowman, are you are not correcting a book that is supposed to correct you are you not ( Hebrews 4:12)?

If you call a book the &quot;Bible&quot; (b i b l o V ) you are calling it the &quot;word of God&quot; and if the &quot;word of God&quot; it then must be &quot;inerrant;&quot; if so, and if no translation is &quot;inerrant&quot; or &quot;infallible&quot; then properly you cannot call it the &quot;word or God&quot; or properly the &quot;Bible.&quot; Therefore, I believe you should henceforth revise your vocabulary and refrain from calling any translation the &quot;word of God&quot; that is, if you are going to be logically consistent with the meaning of language.[/quote:df59bb0187]
*******');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1484', '760a5942e2', '', 'If we call a book &quot;the Word of God&quot;, we would want that book to be the very words of God. However, we all know that there have been imperfect versions, translations and copies which people have used, believing that they were the Word, and believing the truth greater than these variations.

However, any honest person should want to have the very truth in their book. Thus, if we lived in the time of the Geneva Bible, it would be wrong to reject the King James Bible. Today the case is different, because we have the KJB, we would have to reject its perfection if we embraced modern versions.

It may be that other non-English Bibles have been the &quot;Word of God&quot; for those who do not speak English. However, as the KJB is known to be supersuccessionary, things would be more like this:

[quote:760a5942e2]Therefore, I believe you should henceforth revise your vocabulary and refrain from calling any translation the &quot;word of God&quot; that is, if you are going to be logically consistent with the meaning of language.[/quote:760a5942e2]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1485', 'e54f84bc6e', 'Concerning enemies of God\'s work', '&quot;As also in all [i:e54f84bc6e]his [/i:e54f84bc6e]epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are learned and unstable wrest, as [i:e54f84bc6e]they do[/i:e54f84bc6e] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.&quot; (2 Peter 3:16).

Some think that the King James Bible is too hard to be understood by the common man, and this is certainly true for those who are spiritually ignorant or those who embrace rebellion. However, the person open to the Spirit of God can have help and revelation with every step of faith. The Bible is the Word of God and the Spirit is here to open our eyes and guide us &quot;into all truth&quot; (see John 16:13). God\'s Word is truth (see John 17:17) and it must be Him that helps the believer if there are &quot;difficult&quot; parts (ie. our reliance must be on Him). Those &quot;that are learned and unstable wrest&quot;, which means they struggle against God\'s working and want to &quot;dumb down&quot; the Bible to the level of foolishness, rather than exhibit an attitude of humility and openness to learning from God. This is the dilemma of the modern versionists who pick and choose &quot;what suits them&quot; rather than what God wants them to accept as in very truth the real Bible to be studied and loved.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1486', 'f36bf34710', 'The Protector, 15 November 2009', '[img:f36bf34710]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:f36bf34710]

[color=red:f36bf34710]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:f36bf34710]

WELCOME! [i:f36bf34710]The Protector[/i:f36bf34710] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:f36bf34710][color=darkblue:f36bf34710]EDITORIAL[/color:f36bf34710][/size:f36bf34710]

NOAH’S PROPHECY

After Noah got off the ark, he prophesied concerning his three sons. “And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.” (Genesis 9:26). The nation of Israel, the Jews, descend from Shem. He then said, “God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.” (Genesis 9:27).

It is significant that the children of Japheth should multiply and eventually boast many conversions into the Christian faith, as may be observed historically with the Greeks, Romans, Europeans, Russians, Americans, Asians and Pacific Islanders. But none have advanced so far in enlargement of faith and abiding in the blessing of Shem as in the Anglo-Protestant nations.

&quot;Noah\'s prophecy concerning the family of Japheth; which hath actually received various accomplishments, in events of various kinds, in various ages of the world,--in the settlements of European and Tartarian conquerors in the Lower Asia; in the settlements of European traders on the coasts of India; and in the early and plentiful conversion of the families of Japheth\'s stock to the faith of Christ. The application of the prophecy to any one of these events bears all the characteristics of a true interpretation,--consistence with the terms of the prophecy, consistence with the truth of history, consistence with the prophetic system. Every one of these events must therefore pass, with every believer, for a true completion.&quot; (Bp. Horsley).

[size=18:f36bf34710][color=darkblue:f36bf34710]NEWS[/color:f36bf34710][/size:f36bf34710]

A Google link
[url]http://glisteringtruths.blogspot.com/2009/06/glistering-truths.html[/url]

List of online materials on the KJB
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1462#1462[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:f36bf34710][color=darkblue:f36bf34710]DIRECTORY[/color:f36bf34710][/size:f36bf34710]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1487', 'd75f7aef34', 'God is faithful', '&quot;Most men will proclaim every one his own goodness: but a faithful man who can find?&quot; (Proverbs 20:6)

Faithfulness is a quality valued by God. The Lord Jesus Christ faithfully fulfilled the will of God. 

&quot;And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.&quot; (Philippians 2:8)

God can help us if we need to develop faithfulness in our lives, through being open to Him, especially the leading of the Holy Spirit, Who guides us and prompts us and reminds us of things. Faithfulness comes out of loving God and His Word. Time spent in the presence of God and His Word is rewarded. Godly qualities like faithfulness are given the right conditions to develop and grow.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1488', '4215ceb013', 'The Protector, 22 November 2009', '[img:4215ceb013]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:4215ceb013]

[color=red:4215ceb013]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:4215ceb013]

WELCOME! [i:4215ceb013]The Protector[/i:4215ceb013] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:4215ceb013][color=darkblue:4215ceb013]EDITORIAL[/color:4215ceb013][/size:4215ceb013]

DEALING WITH ACCUSATIONS OF BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS

Some people claim that there are “contradictions” in the Bible. But let’s be clear. There are contradictions in MODERN VERSIONS, but there are no contradictions in the King James Bible.

Now, it is a fact that there are some difficult or hard passages. But the Bible says, “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15).

So, if someone points to a passage and says it is contradictory or difficult, what we should do is believe that God’s Word is right, and with the right approach, we can answer fools and mockers. “Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?” (Proverbs 22:20, 21).

The fact is that God wants us to find answers. There is nothing which we must accept blindly. Faith in God
is about seeing that God is true, and seeing that as the truth.
So then, a true believer must:
1. Believe that God’s words are true, and that every last letter is true.
2. Have the Spirit of God by being born again.
3. Hearken, seek and study the Word, meditate in it, and increase in learning
of it.
4. Be a practical doer of the Word, and have an obedient heart.
5. Resist pride, arrogance, unteachableness and all forms of erroneous
thinking.

When two verses or passages are compared, superficially they may appear to contradict each other in facts and details. However, when examined properly, no part of the Bible has ever been found to be an actual contradiction. This means that God has never justly been called a liar.

Men have their own philosophies and false doctrines, but the Holy Ghost is the Spirit of truth. The Holy Ghost will show the truth, unlike man’s opinions. The Holy Ghost is not the author of diversity of doctrine, heresies or confusion. God’s doctrines are sound, truthful and consistent. “Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.” (Titus 1:9).

[size=18:4215ceb013][color=darkblue:4215ceb013]NEWS[/color:4215ceb013][/size:4215ceb013]

List of online materials on the KJB
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1462#1462[/url]

Thoughts on the Bible in the nation
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:4215ceb013][color=darkblue:4215ceb013]DIRECTORY[/color:4215ceb013][/size:4215ceb013]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1489', '63f0abc139', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'A little word change in the Bible can come up with a completely wrong idea as the following example clearly shows.

&quot;[16] And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.&quot; (Revelation 13:16,17).

These verses are pointing out the mark of the beast or antichrist as being [b:63f0abc139]in [/b:63f0abc139]the right hand or [b:63f0abc139]in [/b:63f0abc139]the forehead. Whatever this tagging technology is, [b:63f0abc139]it is not on the right hand or on the forehead[/b:63f0abc139].

However, note the error that is propagated by the NIV, which changes the little word &quot;in&quot; to &quot;on&quot;. The changes throughout such &quot;bibles&quot; cause great internal destruction to the souls of men and women.

&quot;[16] He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, [17] so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.&quot; (Revelation 13:16,17, NIV).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1490', '0b2957df1f', 'The Protector, 29 November 2009', '[img:0b2957df1f]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:0b2957df1f]

[color=red:0b2957df1f]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:0b2957df1f]

WELCOME! [i:0b2957df1f]The Protector[/i:0b2957df1f] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:0b2957df1f][color=darkblue:0b2957df1f]EDITORIAL[/color:0b2957df1f][/size:0b2957df1f]

GOD SUPPLIES THE SEED AND THE INCREASE

Someone asked, “If the possession of the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible is such an important issue, why hasn’t it become the most common edition in the United States?”

The facts are that the Pure Cambridge Edition was available in the United States for many years. But the issue is that no one was overtly recognising it specifically. People in the know said, “The Cambridge Edition is the best.” But they did not know many details.

The first important thing to understand is God has always supplied His people with the Word, and has used the Church as the means of having the best possible presentation of His Word available. Almost everyone was using the King James Bible. Therefore it was seen as the “received word”.

“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” (Acts 17:11).

“For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.” (1 Thessalonians 2:13).

So, if the Pure Cambridge Edition is in the USA, why is it not more readily available?

This is where it comes to people recognising not only the King James Bible, but the purity of the presentation of the Pure Cambridge Edition. That means minsters and believers have to make a choice, are they going to make an effort to get it? are they going to take it up? are they deliberately going to provide it for others?

The consequence of education, raised availability and so on is that the Pure Cambridge Edition is therefore on its way to being the most common edition in the United States.

It was not men who invented the Pure Cambridge Edition, but the plan of God. And it will not be by men that people have it, but by God. Nevertheless, we as believers have a role to play in helping get the knowledge of His pure Word out.

[size=18:0b2957df1f][color=darkblue:0b2957df1f]NEWS[/color:0b2957df1f][/size:0b2957df1f]

List of online materials on the KJB
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1462#1462[/url]

Thoughts on the Bible in the nation
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:0b2957df1f][color=darkblue:0b2957df1f]DIRECTORY[/color:0b2957df1f][/size:0b2957df1f]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1491', '1f5bb9b85f', 'What is faith?', 'Faith can\'t be manufactured by seeing and then believing. The believing always needs to come before the seeing. That\'s why some people could see a miracle and still not believe. Faith comes from the heart, and brings about changes from the inside.  &quot;[i:1f5bb9b85f]I had fainted,[/i:1f5bb9b85f] unless I had believed to see the goodness of the LORD in the land of the living.&quot; (Psalm 27:13)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1492', '94bcd77a33', 'Concerning enemies of God\'s work', '&quot;One Lord, one faith, one baptism&quot; (Ephesians 4:5).

It is indeed a sign of our times when whole cities have as their &quot;Christian&quot; representatives priests of the Romanist faith. This is all the more tragic because, although their nature is known, many Christians see little threat to truth from Romanism (or Catholocism). This only shows the complete lack of knowledge about history and Biblical matters.

The following example adequately shows this issue. Despite the Bible stating that there is only &quot;one faith&quot; (ie. one way to God), the Romanist leader in the Australian city of Geelong sees nothing wrong in attending the Parliament of the World\'s Religions in Melbourne. Of course, this only shows the nature of Romanism anyway in contrast to true Biblical Christianity.

&quot;A Geelong religious leader is readying for the world stage next week to praise the virtues of his city\'s \'harmonious\' multicultural community. Geelong inter-faith network chairman Monsignor James Murray will have a seat at the Parliament of the World\'s Religions in Melbourne. More than 8000 church delegates from most major faiths around the globe will attend the council sitting, which began for this Thursday for the first time in Australia. \'It is like the Olympic Games of religion - it\'s held every four years, \' Monsignor Murray said.&quot; (\'Religious leaders set for city lesson\', The Independent, Friday December 4, 2009).

True Christians cannot compromise with Romanism, which has historically backed false religions, false bibles, and antichrist activities.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1493', '7a40b6fb95', 'The Protector, 6 December 2009', '[img:7a40b6fb95]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:7a40b6fb95]

[color=red:7a40b6fb95]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:7a40b6fb95]

WELCOME! [i:7a40b6fb95]The Protector[/i:7a40b6fb95] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:7a40b6fb95][color=darkblue:7a40b6fb95]EDITORIAL[/color:7a40b6fb95][/size:7a40b6fb95]

INSPIRATION 

“The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.” (Psalm 68:11). 

Not only did God give His Word, but it has gone forth in great power. This is recognised because the King James Bible is the world’s most widely distributed book. 

But what is the origin of the Bible? It is in fact a collection of books which were written from ancient times to Roman times by various men in various places. 

Some parts of the Bible are history. Others are poetic. Others are prophetic. Others are instruction. But it all fits and works together. This is because there is one true author of the Bible — the Spirit of God. 

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16, 17). 

Inspiration means that God was using the men by His Spirit, to write His words. It means that as a person was writing, God was guiding them. The result of the process of inspiration is inspired words — divine words. 

There was an Anglican scholar named John William Burgon, who wrote, “THE BIBLE is none other than the voice of Him that sitteth upon the Throne! Every book of it, — every Chapter of it, every Verse of it, — every word of it, every syllable of it, — (where are we to stop?) — every letter of it — is the direct utterance of the Most High!”

Every word of the Bible is full of divine power. After all, if God created the world by speaking, and people are born again by speaking (confessing Christ), then it is only proper that we view words as very important. 

[size=18:7a40b6fb95][color=darkblue:7a40b6fb95]NEWS[/color:7a40b6fb95][/size:7a40b6fb95]

List of online materials on the KJB
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1462#1462[/url]

Thoughts on the Bible in the nation
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:7a40b6fb95][color=darkblue:7a40b6fb95]DIRECTORY[/color:7a40b6fb95][/size:7a40b6fb95]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1494', '50e498ace9', 'The errors of Granville Sharp\'s rules', 'The Granville Sharp set of rules are designed to confute the King James Bible as it stands.

The false premises of these rules are that the King James Bible is not the perfect Text of Scripture, and that such a Text is not said to exist; and that the translation of the King James Bible is not perfect, and that a perfect translation is not said to exist.

Even though the series of men involved in bringing the Bible into English, and the King James Bible translators themselves, were all very learned, it was the opinion of one man in opposition to them, that they all had blundered so badly in their work, as to botch up the translation of the originals in relation to cases where the word “the” affected the noun after the word “and” in the Greek (the-noun-and-noun).

This whole matter is nothing but an ingenious ploy to take away faith in the Word given in English, by battling over the Greek. And it is not merely concerned with describing the method of translation, because in order to make the modern rules to work, the textual basis of the King James Bible itself has to be rejected.

The fact is that the GSR are not viewed as conclusive, binding rules by all those who support them, but are seen as descriptive, not proscriptive. They is used by modernists to attempt to describe how they think first century Greek writers wrote. This illustrates their subjective and interpretative nature.

The problem then arises where there appear to be situations which counter or do not match the rules. Here the modernist assumption that the rules are binding is used: the problem must be that there are errors in the present form of the text, but if the text were restored, the rule would be seen at work.

Granville Sharp himself gives such examples:

“Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” (Acts 20:28).

GS says, “In the Alexandrian and a few other MSS instead of ‘the God’, which is the most general reading, the word ‘Lord’ is substituted; but many old MSS have both words, ‘the Lord and God’, whereby the text is brought within the construction of the 1st Rule, and should be rendered — ‘To feed the church of the Lord, even of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.’”

This is an example of starting with the corrupt and depraved reading, and then making a rule justify it.

“For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.” (Ephesians 5:5).

GS says, “of the Christ and God ... is the generally approved of reading of the printed Greek copies, and as this reading is confirmed by the Alexandrian MS and by all other Greek MSS of known authority”

It is very dubious to twist Scripture in order to support a doctrine, even if the doctrine is correct. Wresting the words should not be done, and is not required.

“For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.” (Philippians 3:3).

GS says, “in the Alexandrian MS it is ‘the Spirit God’, which seems to be the true reading”

“That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.” (2 Thess. 1:12).

GS says, “In the Alexandrian MS the text before us is awkwardly divided by one of these points, placed after the word ‘of-us’ (our), which point, for the reason before given, must necessarily be deemed a period, and which did not exist in the original text of the sacred penman. The intention of the transcriber, or interpolator, by adding this point to the text, (for it cannot justly be attributed to the original writer,) has been probably to make a distinction of person”.

Here his view is that the process of copying the Scripture has been marred, and that “If literally rendered, it ought to be, — ‘according to the grace of the God and Lord of us, Jesus Christ”, a clearly depraved rendering.

“I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.” (1 Tim. 5:21).

GS says, “The word ‘Lord’ is omitted in the Alexandrian MS where the reading is ... plainly to be understood; as, — ‘I charge (thee), before the GOD and CHRIST, Jesus,’ (or rather, before Jesus, the God and Christ,) ‘and (before) the elect angels, that thou observe these things.” Thus far the testimony of the Alexandrian MS. — But, according to the commonly-received text of the Greek, it ought to be rendered, in the English idiom, ‘I chare (thee), before Jesus Christ, the GOD and LORD, and (before) the elect angels, etc.’”

“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13).

GS says, “The text in question, if the truth of the original be duly regarded, must inevitably be rendered, ‘Expecting the blessed hope and appearance of the glory of our great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ.’”

What part of the rules could justify changing “Looking” to “Expecting”? None, of course. The nonsense is that the English Bible is not so plain and clear, but in truth, Granville Sharp has corrupted the sense with his rules.

We can easily see in English that the great God is our Saviour. But more, we can expect an appearing in a secondary sense of JEHOVAH Himself, besides the primary and usual understanding of the appearing of Christ Jesus.

Thus, Granville Sharp’s rewriting of this passage not only takes away reference to two distinct parts of the Godhead, but also is a false correction, as though the King James Bible does not clearly identify Jesus as God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1495', '2f298358f1', 'Canon and Version ideas link', 'Some argue that the King James Bible cannot be right or God’s chosen Bible because it appeared hundreds of years after the time of the New Testament.
However, our “Canon” has similar factors to the King James Bible.
The Canon, which we must trace back to the earliest times, is not known to have been listed by years after the first Apostles. Likewise, the King James Bible readings can be traced back to the earliest times, even though it was not actually made in its extant form until 1611.
The Canon, which must have had wide acceptance in true Christian communities in the classical times is similar to the King James Bible, which not only has readings which may be traced back to those times, and in diverse places, but the King James Bible itself has been used widely, in many places around the world since 1611.
Just as the Canonical books were used in Christian worship and private devotion, so has the King James Bible been.
Thus, the Canon could be said to be a human phenomena, just as the King James Bible is, but in reality, such things show that God’s providence is at work through history, and that the Spirit of God did not cease activity at the death of St John.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1496', '2524b88066', 'Canon', 'Yes, I have seen this argument used several times in various forums, I have never seen even a remotely successful refutation of it.

The fact is that the King James Bible is connected intricately to its origins, namely the original manuscripts. Similarly, the canon is connected intricately to the inspired writings, namely the original manuscripts (indeed, the original books). The canon was a progression through the Church. The King James Bible was a progression through the Church.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1497', '061b7ae4e9', '1 John 5:7', 'Evidence for 1 John 5:7
At least 20 Greek MSS
At least 60 Eastern lexionaries
4 copies of the Old Latin, M (4th C.) R (5th C.), F (6th C.), Q (7th C.).
Quoted by Tertullian, Cyprian, Augustine of Hippo and Jerome

See also
http://www.sovereignword.org/index.php/will-kinneys-king-james-bible-defense-articles/17-1-john-57-and-these-three-are-one

Will Kinney records:

We find mention of 1 John 5:7, from about 200 AD through the 1500s. Here is a useful timeline of references to this verse: 

Scholars often disagree with each other, but John Gill, in his well known commentary on the entire Bible, remarks concerning 1 John 5:7: &quot;It is cited by Athanasius about the year 350 (Contra Arium p. 109); and before him by Cyprian in the middle of the &quot;third&quot; century, about the year 250 (De Unitate Eccles. p. 255. &amp; in Ep. 73. ad Jubajan, p. 184.) and is referred to by Tertullian about, the year 200 (Contr. Praxeam, c. 25 ) and which was within a hundred years, or little more, of the writing of the epistle; which may be enough to satisfy anyone of the genuineness of this passage.&quot; 

200 AD - Tertullian\'s quote is debated, but he may well be referring to the phrase found only in 1 John 5:7 when he says: &quot;And so the connection of the Father, and the Son, and of the Paraclete (Holy Ghost) makes three cohering entities, one cohering from the other, WHICH THREE ARE ONE entity, not one person. Just as it is said &quot;I and the Father are one entity&quot; refers to the unity of their substance, not to oneness of their number.&quot; 

250 AD - Cyprian of Carthage, wrote, &quot;And again, of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost it is written: &quot;And the three are One&quot; in his On The Lapsed, On the Novatians. Note that Cyprian is quoting and says &quot;IT IS WRITTEN, And the three are One.&quot; He lived from 180 to 250 A.D. and the scriptures he had at that time contained the verse in question. This is at least 100 years before anything we have today in the Greek copies. If it wasn\'t part of Holy Scripture, then where did he see it WRITTEN? 

350 AD - Priscillian referred to it [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. xviii, p. 6.] 

350 AD - Idacius Clarus referred to it [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 62, col. 359.] 

350 AD - Athanasius referred to it in his De Incarnatione 

380 AD - Priscillian in Liber Apologeticus quotes &quot;and there are three which give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Spirit, and these three are one in Christ Jesus.&quot; 

Likewise, the anti-Arian work compiled by an unknown writer, the Varimadum (380 AD) states: &quot;And John the Evangelist says, . . . “And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Spirit, and these three are one”. (Varimadum 90:20-21). 

398 AD - Aurelius Augustine used it to defend Trinitarianism in De Trinitate against the heresy of Sabellianism 

415 AD - Council of Carthage. The contested verse (1 John 5:7) is quoted at the Council of Carthage (415 A. D.) by Eugenius, who drew up the confession of faith for the &quot;orthodox.&quot; It reads with the King James. How did 350 prelates in 415 A.D. take a verse to be orthodox that wasn\'t in the Bible? It had to exist there from the beginning. It was quoted as &quot;Pater, VERBUM, et Spiritus Sanctus&quot;. 

450-530 AD. Several orthodox African writers quoted the verse when defending the doctrine of the Trinity against the gainsaying of the Vandals. These writers are: 

     A) Vigilius Tapensis in &quot;Three Witnesses in Heaven&quot; 

     B) Victor Vitensis in his Historia persecutionis [Corpus Scriptorum Ecclesiasticorum Latinorum, Academia Litterarum Vindobonensis, vol. vii, p. 60.] 

     C) Fulgentius in &quot;The Three Heavenly Witnesses&quot; [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 65, col. 500.] 

500 AD - Cassiodorus cited it [Patrilogiae Cursus Completus, Series Latina by Migne, vol. 70, col. 1373.] 

527 AD - Fulgentius in Contra Arianos stated: &quot;Tres sunt qui testimonium perhibent in caelo. Pater, Verbum et Spiritus, et tres unum sunt.&quot; 

550 AD - The &quot;Speculum&quot; has it [The Speculum is a treatise that contains some good Old Latin scriptures.] 

636 AD - Isidor of Seville quotes the verse as it stands in the KJB. 

750 AD - Wianburgensis referred to it 

800 AD - Jerome\'s Vulgate has it [It was not in Jerome\'s original Vulgate, but was brought in about 800 AD from good Old Latin manuscripts.] It is also in the Clementine Vulgate today. 

157-1400 AD. Waldensian (that is, Vaudois) Bibles have the verse. 

...

Cyprian - 250 AD, Priscillian -385 AD, Jerome 420 AD, Fulgentius, Cassiodorus, Isidore of Seville, Jaqub of Edessa, Thomas Aquinas, John Wycliffe');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1498', '6a532aeee4', 'Divine health and healing: is it supported by the Bible?', '&quot;He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds.&quot; (Psalm 147:3).

This Scripture shows that a person should look to God if they have emotional problems. The lovingkindness and care He shows to His children includes helping them to overcome emotional problems, and to have restoration of the soul (Psalm 23:3). He can help people to forget painful experiences of the past and to look to the future with hope and trust in Him. The care that God gives includes mental and physical (3 John 2).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1499', '665c047185', 'The Protector, 13 December 2009', '[img:665c047185]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:665c047185]

[color=red:665c047185]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:665c047185]

WELCOME! [i:665c047185]The Protector[/i:665c047185] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:665c047185][color=darkblue:665c047185]EDITORIAL[/color:665c047185][/size:665c047185]

THE CASE OF THE LETTER “S” IN “SPIRIT”

God, in His power to supply His Word, has given it in English so accurately that we can rely upon the very lettering. Many people are unaware of spiritual things. Many of those who are aware of spiritual things are not learned when it comes to understanding the words and letters of Scripture.

There is a clear difference between “Spirit” with a capital letter and “spirit” with lower case. When the word “spirit” appears in the King James Bible, so people assume that it should be “Spirit”. However, there are reasons why the distinctness exists.

For example, in Acts 10:19, 20 it states, &quot;While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee. Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.&quot;

Peter later explains it, &quot;And the spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting.&quot; (Acts 11:12a). The Spirit (Holy Ghost) said unto him (spirit). Thus, in his yieldedness, the spirit bade him go.

Another example is Acts 11:28, &quot;And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.&quot;

While the prophets speak from the Holy Ghost, yet they use their own spirit to work, &quot;And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.&quot; (1 Cor. 14:32). Thus, it would be incorrect to attempt to change “spirit” to “Spirit” in this verse.

Most importantly, 1 John 5:8 states, &quot;And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.&quot; There are a number of reasons for the lowercase “s” on “spirit” here.

In no particular order, reasons include:

1. Because the “spirit” is defined as, &quot;He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself&quot; (1 John 5:10a).

2. Because the Holy Ghost’s record is in heaven with the persons of the Godhead according to 1 John 5:7.

3. Because “blood” and “water” are things (neuter) and therefore “spirit” must be a thing.

The correct presentation of the King James Bible should not be altered.

[size=18:665c047185][color=darkblue:665c047185]NEWS[/color:665c047185][/size:665c047185]

Errors in Granville-Sharp’s rules.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=381[/url]

Thoughts on the Bible in the nation
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:665c047185][color=darkblue:665c047185]DIRECTORY[/color:665c047185][/size:665c047185]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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Key points in this video:
- Why should people only put their faith in the KJV Bible?
- What\'s wrong with paraphrased Bibles?
- What is the Devils oldest &quot;trick,&quot; and what has been the result?
- Why do new Bible versions come out so often?
- What are five subtle ways Bible translators show they don\'t believe scripture, but publish it anyway?

PLUS MORE!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1501', '4e52ac602d', '', 'Good interview. Worth listening to.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1502', '584f57401d', 'The Protector, 20 December 2009', '[img:584f57401d]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:584f57401d]

[color=red:584f57401d]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:584f57401d]

WELCOME! [i:584f57401d]The Protector[/i:584f57401d] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:584f57401d][color=darkblue:584f57401d]EDITORIAL[/color:584f57401d][/size:584f57401d]

GOD, NOT THE PROPAGANDISTS, IS IN CONTROL OF HISTORY

New Age evangelism and propaganda is increasing, and, has had some degree of success. Even some Christian leaders can be witnessed to be friendly with other religions, pretending to be at one with them. 

But we should not be surprised, “They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.” (1John 4:5).

A recently released movie (December, 2009) described as an expensive, stunningly-visual epic, must also be considered politically and religiously abhorrent. This movie certainly did have a story that would engage anyone for two-and-a-half hours, but as fun and entertaining as it is (and its digital 3D was a beautiful experience), it had some major wrongs.

Obviously the movie is designed to be anti-American, anti-capitalist and anti-Christian tradition. It upholds the values of pagan aliens far above our own civilised view, makes lawfulness weak, and ultimately upholds a completely erroneous view of the spiritual.

Hinduism, Marxism, environmentalism are all upheld. Somehow it is justifiable for “peaceful” aliens to attack and slaughter human beings, and worse, that “Mother Earth” is on their side.

The Scripture says, “Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.” (Ps. 33:12).

It follows that if Satan can use evil nations and organisations for his end, he would certainly want to curse and disarm the blessed nations. Suddenly we are guilty of polluting mother earth, feeding ourselves at the expensive of millions of starving foreigners, and so on.

Transform this into a science fiction/fantasy movie, and it is nothing but an attempt to indoctrinate people against our ways.

“The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.” (Ps 9:17).

We have a promise, however, that counteracts this problem.

“All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.” (Ps 22:27).

We draw hope that people yet have spiritual inclinations, that the conscience of men is not yet dead, and that God, not propagandists, is in control of history.

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Notice the following passage, how many links there are to this verse:

Joh 8:13 The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.
Joh 8:14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.
Joh 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
Joh 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
Joh 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
Joh 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
Joh 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Two key points are:
1. The Father and Son bear record in Heaven.
2. That worldly people doubt the record (just as folk doubt 1 John 5:7).');
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&quot;And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.&quot; (John 8:32).

&quot;That he might sanctify and cleanse it [the Church] with the washing of water by the word&quot; (Ephesians 5:26).

&quot;[20] My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings. [21] Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart. [22] For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.&quot; (Proverbs 4:20-22).

&quot;So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.&quot; (Romans 10:17).

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EVERY WORD OF GOD IS PURE

Sometimes the Pure Cambridge Edition has the word “beside” and sometimes “besides”.

In every case “besides” is used in the Bible, it is mathematical, like “All the souls that came with Jacob into Egypt, which came out of his loins, besides Jacob\'s sons\' wives, all the souls were threescore and six” (Genesis 46:26). In fact, the phrase “beside these” can be substituted every time “besides” is used. The word “beside” is used more generally, including meaning “next to”, etc.

This is one of many examples where the Bible is completely accurate in its word usage.

“Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.” (Proverbs 30:5).

As we understand how precise and exact each word is, we should also see how even the very word order is exact. In the following two examples, the word “besides” appears at either end of a sentence:

“Besides the cakes, he shall offer for his offering leavened bread with the sacrifice of thanksgiving of his peace offerings” (Leviticus 7:13).

“I Paul have written it with mine own hand, I will repay it: albeit I do not say to thee how thou owest unto me even thine own self besides.” (Philemon 1:19).

If we were to study, we would find that the use is correct according to proper grammar. Many people may not know, nor ever need to know such things, but the fact is that God’s words can be tested, examined and understood in every place, and that nothing contrary or wrong can be found with them.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1507', '91a5d7d4eb', 'Answering Doug Kutilek\'s anti Preservation in Psalms 12', 'Psalms 12:6-7 - Answering Doug Kutilek’s article “Why Psalm 12:6-7 is not a Promise of the Infallible Preservation of Scripture” 

Doug Kutilek,  like many today, professes to believe in the inerrancy and infallibility of the Scriptures, and yet does not have a copy of them to show anybody.  He may not know (and he most certainly doesn’t) where God’s preserved words are, but the one thing he continually tells us is that they are not found in the King James Holy Bible.

He has written several articles criticizing the King James Bible, all of which reveal a great deal about his own self-contradictory thinking when it comes to his beliefs concerning “The Bible”.  You can see this particular article about the preservation of God’s words and Psalms 12 here:

http://www.kjvonly.org/doug/kutilek_why_psalm.htm

Let’s examine some of Doug’s thoughts and see if you want to follow his logic and reach the same conclusions he has.

Mr. Kutilek starts off sounding like he is a 100% genuine, Fundamentist Bible believer, referring to the Scriptures left and right, but if you pay close attention to what he says, we see that he is just another Bible Agnostic in search of a Bible to believe in.

In one of his opening statements he makes this claim.  “A much-discussed point of theology in recent years has been the matter of the preservation of the Word of God. All conservative, Bible-believing scholars, teachers, and pastors agree to the Bible doctrine of divine inspiration, verbal inerrancy, and infallibility of the Scriptures IN THE ORIGINAL WRITINGS.”

A few things should be pointed out about Mr. Kutilek’s opening salvo. He is right about the point of theology concerning the preservation of the words of God is something that has come about “in recent years”.  The Preservation of God’s words has only been widely doubted within the last 50 to 60 years since we have been bombarded by a mutiplicity of conflicting and contradictory modern bible versions.  When the first formal church Confessions of Faith in the Scriptures came out (and they all came out after the King James Bible was widely believed to be the very words of God), they all supported the KJB point of view rather than today’s “only in the originals” mindset.

Read for yourself some of these formal Confessions of Faith regarding the Scriptures.  Not one of them was like todays “originals only” position.

http://brandplucked.webs.com/confesskjb.htm

Secondly, Mr. Kutilek repeats a common confusion of terms when he refers to “the Word of God” (capitalized).  The Word of God refers to the Second Person of the Trinity, the eternal Son of God who loved us and gave Himself for us.  Whereas “the word of God” refers to either the written or spoken revelation of God’s inspired words of truth.  The word of God did not die on the cross, rise from the dead nor will it come again in power and glory, but the Word of God did and will.

Thirdly it should be pointed out that the recent “originals only” point of view leaves every Christian on this earth with NO complete, infallible and 100% true words of God in ANY language. 

 The reasons are simple.  #1-  Neither Mr. Kutilek nor any man living today has ever seen a single word of the “the original writings” a day in his life.  They do not exist and everybody knows this, yet Bible agnostics like Doug Kutilek continue to talk about them using present tense verbs as though they had them or even a copy of them right there in front of them and were comparing what they say to the King James Bible or any other translation.

#2 -  The original writings never did make up a complete 66 book canon of Scripture called The Bible - never.

#3 - The “originals only” point of view makes God either a liar or at least guilty of using hyperbole and exaggeration when He said such things as “heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away” (Matthew 24:35); “the Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35) and “the grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.”  (Isaiah 40:8)

Nobody seriously defends any modern version or any single Hebrew or Greek text as being the complete, inspired and 100% true words of God.  In fact, most “scholars” today come right out and tell us that no single Hebrew or Greek or translation can be the perfect and infallible words of God.  Don’t believe me?  Just ask them to tell you where you can get a copy of the complete and 100% true words of God so you can compare it to any bible you are using now to see the differences and similarities.  They cannot and will not tell you.  

They will usually give you some pious sounding baloney about how God has “preserved” His words out there somewhere among thousands of variant readings in several different languages, but not one of them will agree all the time with anybody else as to what these “preserved words” may or may not be.

Their pratfall position is much like saying  “God has preserved His words in Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary - they’re in there somewhere, all mixed up and out of order and found among thousands of other words that are not inspired, but Hey, they’re in there somewhere.”

#4 - The “originals only” position makes man a Bible agnostic because he ends up not knowing for sure which parts of the multi-choice, contradictory bible versions on the market today are God’s words and which are not.  There are literally thousands of textual differences alongside of hundreds of different meanings in the verses they do have. Which, if any, are the right ones?

For a further development of this idea, please see my article - “The Inerrancy of Scripture - Are you a Bible believer or a Bible agnostic?”

http://brandplucked.webs.com/biblebelieveragnostic.htm

Mr. Kutilek continues his argument: “That they had the perfect Scriptures in ancient times is fine, but the question is, do we have them today? Or, has God preserved the Word He gave in time past? The main proof text employed to teach an infallibly preserved Bible is Psalm 12:6, 7, which in the KJV reads,
 
“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (End of section by Mr. Kutilek)

I find it interesting that Mr. Kutilek reveals a bit too much about his own beliefs here in the way he phrases his statements. He’s trying to disprove that the Bible teaches that God would preserve His words in any  “book of the LORD” (See Isaiah 34:16).  Why?  Because Mr. Kutilek does NOT believe in “an infallibly preserved Bible” in any language and so he sets out to try to make you think that what Psalms 12 teaches, not only in the King James Bible but many others as well, is not really what it seems to say at all.

To make you think the verses are not teaching that God will preserve His words, he goes into the long debated grammatical aspects of these verses.  He admits the rule of immediate antecedent would be “the words” but then promotes the alternative view that the more remote antecedent would be “the poor and needy” of verse 5.

(By the way, has God indeed preserved “the poor and needy from this generation for ever”?  Haven’t they all died off and many were persecuted and martyred rather than being preserved?)

 Doug Kutilek starts off his arguments with a completly false statement when he tells us: “We are not limited to the English translation but have access to the Hebrew original.”

This is completely untrue.  Doug has never seen one word of “the Hebrew original” a day in his life.  The modern versions he promotes like the NASB, RSV, ESV, NIV and others ALL frequently reject the clear, preserved Hebrew readings, and not even in the same places.

See these two studies for proof. -  

http://brandplucked.webs.com/nivnasbrejecthebrew.htm

and 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/nivnasbrejecthebrew2.htm

If one tries to argue that Mr. Kutilek is not referring to “the Hebrew ORIGINAL” (even though that is what he clearly says) but rather to the copies of the Hebrew, then he is defeating his own argument by referring us to “the preserved Hebrew words of God”, which he goes on to tell us is not what these verses in Psalm 12 teach!  

Mr. Kutilek then continues summing up his argument as to why he thinks this Psalm is not talking about God preserving His “words” but rather “the poor and needy” by saying: “When we turn to the Hebrew text of Psalm 12, the ambiguity of the English disappears. Hebrew, like many non-English languages, has a feature that English lacks -- that of grammatical gender...In languages that have grammatical gender, it is usual and customary for pronouns to agree with their antecedents in gender and number. Hebrew here is like the rest. And also like the rest, there are occasional exceptions to the principle of agreement in the Hebrew Bible (see Gesenius’ Hebrew Grammar, 135 o), but the Book of Psalms is exceptionally regular on the matter of gender agreement.”

He continues: “In the Hebrew of Psalm 12, the pronouns translated them in verse 7 are both masculine -- the first them being plural in number, the second being singular (him, literally), particularizing every individual in the group (with slightly different vowel points in Hebrew, the second pronoun could be understood as the first person plural common, viz., us). So, the antecedent noun can be expected to be masculine in gender and plural in number.

The word rendered words twice in verse 6 is a feminine plural noun in both cases; the words poor and needy in verse 5 are both masculine and plural in Hebrew. While the English translation is ambiguous and allows two different antecedents, the Hebrew is clear and plain -- the antecedent of them is the poor and needy ones of verse 5, not the words of verse 6. Gender agreement of pronoun and antecedent demonstrates this.” (end of section by Mr. Kutilek)

This  grammatical argument has scholarly proponents on both sides and Mr. Kutilek is flat out wrong when he tells us “the book of Psalms is exceptionally regular on the matter of gender agreement.”

Let me quote Dr. Thomas Strouse, of Emmanuel Baptist Theological Seminary: &quot;Next, [Academic Dean William Combs in an article for the Detroit Baptist Theological Seminary Journal, (and Doug Kutilek)] argues that the grammar of Psalm 12 vv. 6-7 is against the word preservation interpretation. Instead, the gender differences between the masculine plural pronominal suffix \'them\' and its antecedent feminine plural \'words\' forces one to look for another antecedent which is masculine plural (i.e., \'poor\' and \'needy\' in v. 5). 

&quot;However two important grammatical points overturn his argument. First, the rule of proximity requires \'words\' to be the natural, contextual antecedent for \'them.\' Second, it is not uncommon, especially in the Psalter, for feminine plural noun synonyms for the \'words\' of the Lord to be the antecedent for masculine plural pronouns/pronominal suffixes, which seem to \'masculinize\' the verbal extension of the patriarchal God of the Old Testament. Several examples of this supposed gender difficulty occur in Psm. 119. In verse 111, the feminine plural \'testimonies\' is the antecedent for the masculine plural pronoun \'they.\' Again, in three passages the feminine plural synonyms for \'words\' have masculine plural pronominal suffixes (vv. 129, 152, 167). These examples include Psm. 119:152 (\'Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou has founded them for ever\')…&quot;

I would like to address the two final thoughts of Mr. Kutilek in his anti words preservation article, before posting a Bible version comparison chart.   - What he calls “Context” and finally his “Conclusion” 

Mr. Kutilek’s thoughts on Context

Mr. Kutilek says: “The best guide to Bible interpretation is careful examination of the context of the passage or verse under consideration. ...The basic thrust of the message of Psalm 12 is clear; the psalmist bemoans the decimation of the upright and the growing strength of the wicked. The strong get stronger, the weak get weaker. Dishonesty and deception abound. The psalmist can only appeal to God’s justice. Man cannot set the score right; God must do so. But God’s promises are sure. His words are trustworthy. The Lord knows them that serve Him and will indeed come to their aid.

To find a promise in verse 7 of the promise of God’s written word is to introduce a subject totally foreign to the context.... It is persecuted men, not written words, that occupy the psalmist’s attention and thought. To employ verse 7 as a proof text for any doctrine of Scripture preservation does extreme violence to a context which is unmistakably clear.” (end of section by Mr. Kutilek)

I am somewhat amazed to read these thoughts by Doug Kutilek about what he thinks the context of Psalm 12 is.  What seems obvious to me is the simple fact that throughout this Psalm it is God’s words in stark contrast to man’s words. Notice the following when speaking about man’s words ... “they speak vanity...with flattering lips...do they speak. The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things: Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?”

Finally a few thoughts about Mr. Kutilek’s “Conclusion”

He writes: “Based on clear evidence from grammar and context and confirmed by the best Bible expositors, it can only be concluded that Psalm 12:6, 7 has nothing at all to do with the preservation of God’s Word. It says nothing for or against it. It does not speak to the issue at all. It is, therefore, wholly irrelevant to the discussion and must not be appealed to as a proof text regarding Bible preservation. We can understand how some through ignorance have misapplied this text, but with the above evidence in hand, to continue to apply these verses to any doctrine of Bible preservation is to handle the Word of God deceitfully and dishonestly, something unworthy of any child of God. Let the Scriptures speak, and let us follow them wherever they lead us.” (end of section by Mr. Kutilek)

So, according to Mr. Kutilek, who himself does not believe that ANY Bible in ANY language IS the complete, inspired and 100% true preserved words of God, men like John Wesley, C.H. Spurgeon (whom Mr. Kutilek falsely assumes supported his view) G. Campbell Morgan, Dr. Thomas Strouse,  Dr. Donald Waite, Jack Moorman, numerous Bible translators and thousands of Christians today who believe that Psalm 12 is talking about God preserving His WORDS are “handling the word of God deceitfully and dishonestly, something unworthy of any child of God”, and all this because we happen to disagree with his understanding and interpretation of a couple of verses in Psalm 12.  Very charitable of Mr. Kutilek, don’t you think?

Spugeon agrees that it is God’s words in contrast to man’s words that being preserved.

Spurgeon’s sermon on Psalm 12 -  “What a contrast between the vain words of man, and the pure words of Jehovah. Man\'s words are yea and nay, but the Lord\'s promises are yea and amen. For truth, certainty, holiness, faithfulness, the words of the Lord are pure as well-refined silver. In the original there is an allusion to the most severely-purifying process known to the ancients, through which silver was passed when the greatest possible purity was desired; the dross was all consumed, and only the bright and precious metal remained; so clear and free from all alloy of error or unfaithfulness is the book of the words of the Lord. The Bible has passed through the furnace of persecution, literary criticism, philosophic doubt, and scientific discovery, and has lost nothing but those human interpretations which clung to it as alloy to precious ore. The experience of saints has tried it in every conceivable manner, but not a single doctrine or promise has been consumed in the most excessive heat. What God\'s words are, the words of his children should be.” 

Bible Version Comparison

Psalm 12:6-7 - God’s promise to preserve His words

Has God promised to preserve His words here on this earth till heaven and earth pass away?  Well, a lot depends on which particular bible version you are using.

The Book which I and thousands of other Christians all over the world believe to be the complete, inerrant, infallible and 100% true words of God tell us that He did promise to preserve His words.

Here is a simple Bible version comparison regarding the promise found in Psalm 12 of the King James Bible.

King James Bible - “Thou shalt keep THEM, O LORD, thou shalt preserve THEM from this generation for ever.”

Also agreeing with the King James Bible in this verse are the following modern day versions, several of which are Jewish and Jewish Christian translations: the 1936 Hebrew Publishing Company version,  the 1993 Word of Yah translation, the 2001 Sacred Scriptures Family of Yah, the 2000 Holy Scriptures Jubilee Bible, Green’s 2000 literal, the 2008 Ancient Roots Translation, the 2001 A Conservative Version, and the 2008 Natural Israelite Bible.

Webster’s 1833 translation, and the Lesser Bible 1853 - “Thou shalt keep THEM, O LORD, thou shalt preserve THEM from this generation for ever.”

English Revised Version - 1881 “Thou shalt keep THEM, O LORD, thou shalt preserve THEM from this generation for ever.”

ASV 1901 - “Thou wilt keep THEM, O Jehovah, Thou wilt preserve THEM from this generation for ever.”

World English Bible - “You will keep THEM, Yahweh. You will preserve THEM from this generation forever.”

Darby - “Thou, Jehovah, wilt keep THEM, thou wilt preserve THEM from this generation for ever.

Hebrew Names Version = KJB -”You will keep THEM LORD, You will preserve THEM from this generation forever. “

NKJV 1982 - “You shall keep THEM, O LORD, You shall preserve THEM from this generation forever.” 

The 1985 New Jerusalem bible - “Yahweh\'s promises are promises unalloyed, natural silver which comes from the earth seven times refined.
7 You, Yahweh, will watch over THEM, you will protect THEM from that brood for ever.”
 
However there are many other versions that disagree not only with the King James Bible but also with each other.
 
NASB - “You, O LORD, will keep THEM; You will preserve HIM from this generation forever.”

NIV - The NIV is very different, not only from the KJB but also from the NASB.  It says: “And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined in a furnace of clay, purified seven times. O LORD, you will keep US SAFE AND PROTECT US FROM SUCH PEOPLE forever.”

Douay-Rheims - “Thou, O Lord, wilt preserve US: and keep US from this generation for ever.”

Lamsa’s 1936 translation of the Syriac - “Thou shalt keep THEM, O LORD; thou shalt preserve ME and save ME from this generation for ever. 

Jewish Pub. Society 1917 - “Thou wilt keep THEM, O LORD; Thou wilt preserve US from this generation for ever.

RSV 1954- “Do thou, O LORD, protect US, guard US ever from this generation.

ESV 2001 - “You, O LORD, will keep THEM; you will guard US from this generation forever.”

Young’s - “Thou, O Jehovah, dost preserve THEM, Thou keepest US from this generation to the age.”

The Spanish La Biblia de las Américas 1997 agrees with the KJB saying : “Tú, SEÑOR, LOS guardarás; de esta generación LOS preservarás para siempre.”  So too do the Spanish Reina Valera 1909, 1960, 1995 and Las Sagradas Escrituras of 1569.

The French Louis Segond 1910 also agree with the KJB - “Toi, Eternel! tu LES garderas, Tu LES préserveras de cette race à jamais.”

Dutch Staten Vertaling agrees with the KJB _ “Gij, HEERE, zult HEN bewaren; Gij zult HEN behoeden voor dit geslacht, tot in eeuwigheid.”

The Italian Rivudeta 1927 = KJB “Tu, o Eterno, LI proteggerai, LI preserverai da questa generazione in perpetuo.”  So too does the 1991 La Nuova Diodati.

Bible commentators disagree among themselves as well as to what these words mean.  John Wesley commented: 12:7 Thou shalt keep them - Thy words or promises: these thou wilt observe and keep, both now, and from this generation for ever.”

Dr. G. Campbell Morgan agreed with the rendering. He writes, &quot;The psalmist breaks out into praise of the purity of His words, and declares that Jehovah will \'keep them\' and \'preserve them.\' The \'them\' here refers to the words. There is no promise made of widespread revival or renewal. It is the salvation of a remnant and the preservation of His own words which Jehovah promises.&quot; (Notes on the Psalm, Revell Comp., p.32).

Adam Clarke says: “Instead of the pronoun THEM in these clauses, several MSS., with the Septuagint, the Vulgate, and the Arabic, have US.”

Jewish commentaror Aben Ezra believes the promise concerns the preserving of the words of God from generation to generation.

And others are of the opinion that God is promising to preserve His people.  The bible versions are in wide disagreement as are the commentators regarding both how the text should read and what the meaning is.  I, of course, side with the King James Bible in that God has promised to preserve every one of His inspired words.  All modern versionists deny that He did so and they all believe that the Hebrew texts have been corrupted in numerous places, though none of them agrees with any of the others as to where or how.

Will Kinney

Additional Notes of Interest - Hebrew Grammar and  recent Jewish Translations

Recently during an internet discussion of these verses, Mr. Steven Avery posted the following information.  

“While we may assume that gender agreement will occur between a pronoun and its antecedent, the following authorities acknowledge that frequently this is not the case. The standard Gesenius-Kautzsch-Cowley grammar says: “...masculine suffixes (especially in the plural) are not infrequently used to refer to feminine substantives, (#135-0).”

Also, the recent Hebrew grammar by Waltke and O\'Conner: “The masculine pronoun is often used for a feminine antecedent. (Introduction to Biblical Hebrew Syntax. WinonaLake, Indiana: Eisenbrauns Publ., 1990, #16.4b).”

In commenting on the passage itself, Rabbi Samson Hirsch writes:
“Thou O Lord wilt constantly keep them, Thy promises...The word [them] has a masculine ending in order to stress the constancy and immutability of these assurances. (Psalms. New York: Feldheim Publ., 1960, p.85).”

&quot;THE MAIN HEBREW TRADITION&quot;

It is argued that most commentators refer verse seven to the poor and needy rather than the words. Doug Kutilek lists a number of earlier commentators who take the words position, but does not give enough notice to the fact that it is among recent major publications that a reappraisal seems evident. Scholarly works acknowledge at least in part that it is the words that are being kept.

“...it may refer to the promises (verse 6), i.e. \'keep them\'. (Derek Kidner, Tyndale OT Commentaries, 1973). ...or the object (\'them\') may refer to the promises... (A.A. Anderson, New Century Bible; 1972).
This sincerity and integrity of the words of God is demonstrated by the fact that Yahweh &quot;keeps&quot; (cf. Jer. 1:12) his word. (H.J. Kraus, Psalms. Minneapolis: Augsburg Publ., 1988).

J. H. Eaton makes a remarkable assertion about the words interpretation.
“...but we may rather follow the main Hebrew tradition: Thou O Lord shalt keep them (i.e. watch over the words to fulfill them, Jer. 1:12)...&quot; (Torch Bible Commentaries, 1967).”

This is in line with our quotation above from Rabbi Hirsch. It was the position of Aben Ezra (died 1167), who was considered the foremost of the early rabbinical commentators. J.H. Eaton would have known that while some rabbinical opinion (as Rashi) disagreed with Ezra, yet he felt secure in saying that this was the main Hebrew tradition!

These three recent Jewish publications of Psalms will give an idea of the translations. The Hebrew traditional understanding expressed in recent translation.

http://books.google.com/books?id=TXKbHVSAy60C
Tehillim: Eis ratzon : a time of favor - translated Yaakov Yosef Iskowitz, 2004

The words of the Eternal are pure words;
like purified silver, revealed to the world,
refined seven times. 
You, O Eternal, will guard them; 
You will protect them from a generation such as this, forever.

http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...Chapter-12.htm
Tehilllim Ohel Yoseph Yitzchok -Y.B. Marcus, Nissen Mangel and Eliyahu Touger (1994)

The words of the Lord are pure words, 
like silver refined in the finest earthen crucible, 
purified seven times. 
May You, O Lord, watch over them; 
may You forever guard them from this generation, 
[in which] the wicked walk on every side;
when they are exalted it is a disgrace to mankind. 

In both cases it is easy to see that the flow of the verses, the simple and clear meaning, is the watching, guarding, protecting of the words of the LORD.

Here is another, on the web.

http://www.freewebs.com/jewish-spiri...l/Tehillim.pdf
In The Morning: Selected Psalms translated by Yaacov Dovid Shulman

The words of God
Are pure words.
They are silver refined
From a caldron onto the ground
And filtered seven times.
You, God, guard them.
Keep them from this generation
Constantly,
From the evil-doers who prowl in a circle,
When depravity is exalted amidst all men.

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http://www.kjvonly.org/doug/kutilek_questions.html

See also http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=262

[quote:af0cb67240]1. Would you have believed the translators were inspired if they had said that they were?[/quote:af0cb67240]

[quote:af0cb67240]DK: Hypothetical. The KJV men expressly deny the finality or absolute accuracy of their work[/quote:af0cb67240]

While the King James Bible makers were not inspired, there are indications from their own words which show that they believed that they were involved in a final translation and absolutely accurate text.

They said, “there should be one more exact Translation of the holy Scriptures into the English Tongue”.

Note the words, “one more exact”.

[quote:af0cb67240]2. Where in the Bible does it say the originals were inspired?[/quote:af0cb67240]

[quote:af0cb67240]DK: 2 Peter 1:20, 21 describes the process--focusing on the original authors of Scripture (see also 2 Samuel 23:2), and 2 Timothy 3:16 describes the product of the process.[/quote:af0cb67240]

If there is a product of inspiration, and the King James Bible is a translation, and that it is the Scripture, then Doug Kutilek cannot justifiably reject that the King James Bible is the inspired Word of God.

[quote:af0cb67240]3. Can you prove that they were?[/quote:af0cb67240]

[quote:af0cb67240]DK: To those who are willing to be convinced by evidence, yes. To hyper-critical, faulting-finding critics like yourself, no.[/quote:af0cb67240]

If Kutilek believes that the autographs were inspired, which we have not seen, why does he deny that the King James Bible is inspired, which we all can see?

[quote:af0cb67240]4. What are you comparing the KJV with?[/quote:af0cb67240]

[quote:af0cb67240]DK: Well, with itself, that is, in its various and widely-varying editions, but naturally enough, with the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures, which the KJV title page declares is the source and basis of their translation--&quot;translated out of the original tongues&quot; (meaning of course the Scriptures in the original languages).[/quote:af0cb67240]

How can we compare the King James Bible with “various and widely varying editions” of itself. That would mean comparing a King James Bible with a King James Bible.

The text and translation do not alter between normal copies of the King James Bible. We can compare very easily right now a 1611 London Edition, a 1637 Cambridge Edition, and a 1950s Oxford and a 1950s Cambridge Edition. There are no real variations in these four examples where we could say that the text or translation of the King James Bible is different or widely variant. Doug Kutilek must be joking if he thinks that different editions of the King James Bible could be used textual or translational comparisons.

As for his appeal to the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures, I wonder which copy in either of those languages is a perfect, flawless textual exemplar. What exactly is the correct text of the Scripture of either testament in those respective languages? Since there is no perfect extant copy of the New Testament today, how can Doug Kutilek justly compare this deficiency to the King James Bible, which is a gathered perfect copy extant in one language of both testaments, absolutely accurate, true and whole, fully and utterly to the very word?

[quote:af0cb67240]5. Is what you are comparing the KJV with inspired or perfect?[/quote:af0cb67240]

[quote:af0cb67240]DK: Yes. If you expressly deny the inspiration and perfection of the originals, you are cutting off your nose to spite your face.[/quote:af0cb67240]

If Doug Kutilek is comparing the King James Bible with inspired and/or perfect originals, he should show and tell us what they are, where they are, etc. But since no scholar on Earth today knows what expressly belongs in the original language text, then rejecting the King James Bible as the only perfect gathered text is to “cut off your nose to spite your face”.

[quote:af0cb67240]6. Wouldn\'t you be lying if you held up a translation and said, &quot;God said&quot; if you really didn\'t know that it was what God said?[/quote:af0cb67240]

[quote:af0cb67240]DK: Not in the least. As the KJV translators affirmed, any accurate Bible version/translation may with propriety be called &quot;the Word of God&quot; though in lesser matters it will fail to precisely convey all that the original contained. Do you think the KJV translators were in error in this regard?[/quote:af0cb67240]

So, if the King James Bible is the Word of God, as Doug Kutilek claims above, why does he reject the King James Bible? We could say that the Vulgate was the Word of God, but we don’t use it today or recommend it. Why? Because there is one Bible which is textually perfect. It isn’t in the original languages, but a perfect translation. Why would Doug Kutilek reject a perfect translation as being the very Word of God?

[quote:af0cb67240]7. Wouldn\'t God be a liar if we don\'t have His words?[/quote:af0cb67240]

[quote:af0cb67240]DK: Who is denying that we do have them? Only you, Peter Ruckman, and other such.[/quote:af0cb67240]

If Doug Kutilek really believes that his side has every word of God, would he please show us all which words belong and do not belong to Scripture. Of course, I do not expect that any anti-King James Bible only person would be able to present the Word of God perfect in every last particular today. But I am willing to give such people a chance. By failing to identify God’s words, it follows that the King James Bible only people must be right to uphold the KJB.

[quote:af0cb67240]DK: Obviously, you borrowed all these cutesy objections from someone else--I\'ve encountered them dozens of times. You are a mere parrot repeating what you have heard from others. I suggest you try thinking for yourself.[/quote:af0cb67240]

Kutilek has not answered very well at all. From my comments, he should see that I am not a “parrot”.

[quote:af0cb67240]DK: And may I strongly suggest that you get a copy of the Nelson reprint of the 1611 KJV and CAREFULLY read and re-read &quot;The Translators to the Readers&quot; found therein, until you understand what it is that the KJV men believed about their own version. Until you do that, we have nothing more to discuss.[/quote:af0cb67240]

I have read that very carefully indeed, so much so, that I even found where there was a mistake in the letter “u”/“v” usage there. That document does nothing to support Kutilek’s position, but provides much to uphold a sound King James Bible only view.');
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Honouring the covenant God has with us involves believing in the Lord’s faithfulness, and believing His ministers. The result will be that the Christian will be established in truth, being God’s Word, and will prosper. To be obedient to God, and to listen to His ministers, requires a humble heart.');
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JESUS WILL TAKE UP THE VICTORIOUS CHURCH

According to Scripture, Christ is to return for His Church. This is called “the translation of the saints”. This is when the saints are caught up to be with Christ in the air.

Without the translation of the saints, that would mean that Christians would be on the Earth suffering the wrath of God which will manifest strongly in the antichristian world.

“For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ” (1 Thessalonians 5:9).

Salvation is not impossible to obtain. The Lord shows us that He wants us to enter into His safety, so that we will not suffer God’s indignation.

“All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” (John 6:37).

There are some people who teach that Christ is not coming back to take away His Church. They say that this breeds a “survival mentality”, as if we are waiting for the world to crash, and then be rescued by Christ at the last moment. However, this is not how the Bible describes the translation of the saints.

“Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.” (Luke 12:40).

Jesus is not returning for a defeated or retreating Church. Notice the language Jesus uses talks about the Church prospering and reigning-in-life in the present time: 

“And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.” (Luke 12:42–44).

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&quot;[11] But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
[Even quite prominent and respected people can be led astray. This is certainly true today with the modern version issue. Even those with a King James Bible preference still tolerate the modern versions in their midst.]

[12] For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
[Fear of not being accepted can be a big barrier. Today, standing for the King James Bible can cause others to be dismissive or persecutory.]

&quot;[13] And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
[Many people can be carried away in error. This has clearly happened with the modern version issue. Even when the errors of modern versions are pointed out, the pressure to stay with such error is enormous within many of today\'s churches.]

&quot;[14] But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
[The need today is for godly men and women to stand up and show the error of the modern version way &quot;according to the truth&quot;.]');
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Amos 4:4 After Three Years or Three Days?

I have read James White\'s book, The King James Only Controversy, three or four times and have found many inconsistencies, lies and hypocrisy on his part.

Regarding Amos 4:4 Mr. White writes on page 232: &quot;At times the KJB attempts to get around difficulties, so to speak. For example, at Amos 4:4 the KJB renders the Hebrew phrase &quot;three days&quot; as &quot;three years&quot;, ostensibly so that the pasage would remain in accordance with Jewish law, which required the gathering of certain of the tithes each three years. Interestingly enough, the NIV also chose to translate the &quot;three days&quot; as &quot;three years&quot;, probably for the same reason. While it may be possible that both the KJB and the NIV are correct in their understanding of this passage, the point should be made that neither is strictly translating the text. Both are engaging in a certain amount of interpretation at this point. Given the tremendously strong language that has been used by KJB Only advocates against such translations as the NIV for doing that very thing, we see here another example where the KJB itself makes the KJB Only position self-contradictory and inconsistent.&quot;

Mr. White now works for the NASV committee, so his bias is towards this particular version. However, let\'s look at the provable facts.

First of all not only does the KJB say &quot;bring your sacrifices every morning, and your tithes after THREE YEARS&quot; but so do the NIV, as pointed out by Mr.White, the TNIV (Today\'s New International Version 2005), and the Spanish Reina Valera of 1579 and 1909, the Bishop\'s Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1599, Youngs &quot;literal&quot; translation, Websters 1833 translation, the Calvin Bible 1855, Noyes Translation 1869, the Word of Yah translation 1993, the Third Millenium Bible 1998, New International Reader\'s Version 1998, the English Jubilee Bible 2000 , Green\'s Modern KJB, the Modern Greek Version, and the 21st Century KJB 1994. The NKJV and the NASV say every three DAYS instead of three &quot;years&quot;.

Now it is interesting that a man who works for the NASV translation committee, as Mr. James White does, would accuse the KJB of not being as literal as the NASV. The much vaunted NASV is overall far less literal than the King James Bible and the NASBs keep on changing both their underlying Hebrew and Greek texts as well as the English text ever few years. Want proof? Here it is, and lots of it. http://brandplucked.webs.com/everchangingnasbs.htm

The KJB does give the correct meaning of every three years because this corresponds to what is clearly taught in Deuteronomy 14:28 &quot;At the end of three YEARS thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates&quot;.

When we look up what the Hebrew word is we find that it is yohm. This word is usually translated as &quot;day&quot;, but not by any means is it always so translated. We find that the KJB has translated this word 15 times as &quot;year&quot;. Now if the NASV is more literal than the KJB, why then did the NASV translators themselves render this same Hebrew word yohm as &quot;years&quot; not just 15 times as the KJB, but 29 times as &quot;years&quot; or &quot;yearly&quot; - almost twice as often? The NIV likewise has it as &quot;years&quot; some 25 times and 65 times they have not translated it at all.

Some examples of where the NASV and KJB have yohm as years are Exodus 13:10 when speaking of the yearly Passover: &quot;Thou shalt therefore keep this ordinance in his season from YEAR TO YEAR.&quot; (yohm to yohm)

In Numbers 9:22 the children of Israel journeyed when the cloud was taken up &quot;whether it were two days (yohm) or a month, or a year&quot; (yohm).

In 1 Samuel 2:19 speaking of Samuel: &quot;Morover his mother made him a little coat, and brought it to him from YEAR TO YEAR&quot; (yohm to yohm); see also 1:3, 21; 20:6; and 2 Samuel 14:26 speaking of Absalom: &quot;And when he polled his head,(for it was at every YEAR\'S end that he polled it) he weighed the hair of his head...&quot; and in 2 Cronicles 21:19 speaking of the wicked king Jehoram whom the LORD smote in his bowels with an incurable disease: &quot;And it came to pass, that in process of time, after the end of two YEARS, his bowels fell out by reason of his sickness&quot;.

Not only has the &quot;more literal&quot; NASV translated the word yohm as years almost twice as often as the KJB, but it also has &quot;literally&quot; translated this same Hebrew word as: &quot;afternoon, age, always, battle, birthday, Chronicles, continually, course of time, daylight, each, entire, eternity, evening, ever, fate, first, forever, full, life, long, now, older, once, period, perpetually, present, recently, reigns, ripe age, short-lived, so long, some time, survived, time, usual, very old, when, while, whole and yesterday&quot; How is that for being more literal than the KJB?!

In the New Testament the NASV has also three times rendered the Greek word hemera, or day, as YEAR. See Luke 1:7,18 and 2:36.

Those King James Bible critics who mention how the NASV is more literal than the KJB, would be wise to refrain from mentioning the good Doctor White\'s example of Amos 4:4 as being an instance of such &quot;getting around the difficulties, so to speak&quot;.

Bible Commentators who agree with the King James Bible reading of &quot;after THREE YEARS&quot; 

John Calvin translates Amos 4:4 in the following manner, and then comments on the verse.

Amos 4:4. Come to Bethel, and transgress; at Gilgal multiply transgression; and bring your sacrifices every morning, and your tithes after three years:

Amos 4: 4. Ita in Bethel et scelerate agite, in Gilgal adjicite scelerate agendum, et adducite mane sacrificia vestra, ad tres dies (hoc est, tertio anno) decimas vestras; - (translation- after three days, that is, three years)

Then Calvin comments: After three years,(* Editor’s footnote) that is, in the third year, “bring also your tenths”; for thus it was commanded, as we read in Deuteronomy 14:28. Though, then, the Israelites worshipped God apparently in the strictest manner, yet Amos declares that the whole was vain and of no worth, yea, abominable before God, and that the more they wearied themselves, the more they kindled the wrath of God against themselves.

*Editor of Calvin’s commentaries footnote: Literally, “on the third of days, but days here are evidently for years. “I cannot doubt,” says Dr. Henderson, “but that the Prophet has in view the enactment recorded in Deuteronomy 14:29, 26:12 , days, mean here, as in Leviticus 25:29, Judges 17:10, the fullest complement of days, i.e., a year.” — Editor.

Adam Clarke commenting on Amos 4:4 - “continue to support your present vicious priesthood by the regular triennial tithes which should have been employed in my service.” (For those who may not know what triennial means, it means THREE YEARS.)

John Gill commenting on Amos 4:4 - “your tithes after three years;
the third year after the sabbatical year was the year of tithing; and after the tithe of the increase of the fruits of the earth, there was &quot;maaser sheni&quot;, the second tithe, the same with &quot;maaser ani&quot;, the poor\'s tithe, which was given to the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless; and the widow, to eat with them, (Deuteronomy 14:22-28) (26:12) ; and this they are sarcastically bid to observe in their idolatrous way. It is, in the Hebrew text, &quot;after three days&quot;; and so the Targum, “your tithes in three days;\'\' days being put for years, as Kimchi and Ben Melech observe. It may be rendered, &quot;after three years of days&quot;, three complete years.”

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown comment: “after three years--every third year; literally, &quot;after three (years of) days&quot; (that is, the fullest complement of days, or a year); &quot;after three full years.&quot;

John Wesley comments: “Three years - God had Deuteronomy 14:28, commanded every third year that all the tithe of that year should be brought, and laid up in a publick store-house.”

Notes from the Internet Forums

After having posted this information at the Fighting Fundamentalist Forum, and man who prides himself on his knowledge of Hebrew and Greek, a seminarian named Barry Pendley, who himself does not believe there is now nor ever was a complete, inspired and 100% true Bible in any language but thinks God has &quot;preserved&quot; His words out there somewhere in all those partial &quot;original language manuscripts&quot; posted this response:

&quot;Reading through the Hebrew text, this prepositional phrase appears as &quot;every third day.&quot; This is the way I take it because it flows with the irony of the text. Amos is creating the irony by telling them to take their traditional third year sacrifices and just do them every third day.

With that said, it is true that a case could be made, exegetically, to translate this &quot;every third year.&quot; This would be a rare usage, yet there are at least two reasons why it is possible...*

1) The closest Hebrew parallel, grammatically, is found in 1 Samuel 2:19 and is translated there as &quot;from year to year.&quot;

2) BDB notes a rare usage when the &quot;Lamed&quot; is added to the word, the meaning of &quot;day&quot; can denote the &quot;close of a period.&quot;

I am of the opinion that the passage makes best sense with the normal usage of the Hebrew word &quot;day.&quot;

To whom I responded: Well, thank you so very much for your personal opinion, professor. All those other Bible translators must be wrong and apparently lacked your deep insight into things. Maybe you should write your own Bible version and finally come up with one that you happen to think is infallible.

I\'m sure it would sell like hotcakes. You\'d be famous world wide and would make a truck load of money. Any possibility I could get an autographed copy from you? I\'d be so proud to have it in my personal library ;-) 

Will Kinney

&quot;Is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?&quot; - Zechariah 3:2

Home Page - Another King James Bible Believer

http://brandplucked.webs.com/articles.htm');
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If you have read in any detail about the King James Bible Only issue, you would have heard about the different editions. If the King James Bible is true, how can there be differences in editions?

At the Missing Verses website, they employ this argument with typical ignorance and deception. They state, “The Differences Between KJV 1611 and KJV 1850”.

By reading that, it seems like the version from 1850 is different to the version from 1611. However, the facts are that the same version of 1611 is published today, despite all the edition differences.

A man named Scrivener wrote about this in 1884, and often his words are quoted, “Most readers will be aware that numberless and not inconsiderable departures from the original or standard edition of the Authorized Translation as published in 1611, are to be found in the modern Bibles which issue from the press by thousands every year.”

If we are to take Scrivener’s word for it, today’s King James Bible must be vastly different to what was first printed in 1611. But that is not the case.

In 1611, printing was done by a hand on a press, and typography was not accurate. Sometimes a letter was printed upside down, sometimes words were missed. Because the handwritten corrections were difficult to follow, and doubtless read by candlelight, all kinds of small mistakes appeared in the printing. In one place half a verse was printed twice in a row.

If you look at a copy from 1611, you would notice that the spelling is often quite different to what we are used to. The spelling altered as well, even in the same verse! Besides using a different typeface, you would also notice that the letters did not always look the same, sometimes “u” was used for “v”, and so on, so that some words could look quite different.

Moreover, the first printing from 1611 had the Apocrypha inserted between the Old and New Testaments.

Over the years, as the King James Bible was reprinted, printer’s errors were fixed, spelling was standardised, and editing took place, so that the King James Bible from 1611 could appear to be very different to present editions. However, this does not mean that the King James Bible has actually changed, as we shall see in a moment.

Now, it is important to note that important editing took place at certain times, creating standard editions which influenced other editions after them. When the Cambridge Press began printing a corrected edition in 1629, it was a great improvement to previous editions printed by Barker of London. Years later, when Oxford produced a corrected edition in 1769, this was eventually followed by all the other publishers.

At times, people would attempt to alter the King James Bible, such as the American Revisions of the 1850s. However, these were not influential, nor were they of the proper tradition. Moreover, these types of editions exhibited many changes which were contrary, and which were already rejected by believers at those times.

If someone is trying to compare the 1611 edition with an American Revision edition of 1850, they are comparing the first edition to a wildly extravagant revision. This is obvious, because if the 1850 American Revision was compared to an edition printed by Cambridge or Oxford from the same time, there would be a huge gap between them and the American Revision. Thus, it is deceptive to compare the 1611 to the 1850 American Revision, which in no way represents proper editions.

When Scrivener was studying different editions a few years later, he produced his own edition which was similar to and radical like the American Revision. Scrivener’s book, which described how there were so many differences in historical editions, was actually designed to promote his work, as though his edition was a sensible correction of the King James Bible.

Scrivener wrote, “Some of these differences must be imputed to oversight and negligence, from which no work of man can be entirely free; but much the greater part of them are deliberate changes, introduced silently and without authority by men whose names are often unknown.”

Many of his statements were designed to imply that the King James Bible was a hopeless mess. But not knowing who or when something was edited does not count as evidence against the King James Bible. Moreover, even though editing had not always been uniform, it had altogether worked toward the better presentation of the English Bible.

Scrivener had to admit that there were improvements in editing, “Now, if such alterations had been made invariably for the worse, it would have been easy in future editions to recall the primitive readings, and utterly to reject the later corruptions. This, however, is far from being the case.”

But he went on to accuse the editors for making unjustified changes, even though he proceeded in his own edition to make numerous changes, including some gross ones. “Not a few of these variations, especially those first met with in Cambridge folio Bibles dated 1629 and 1638, which must have been superintended with much critical care, amend manifest faults of the original Translators or editors, so that it would be most injudicious to remove them from the place they have deservedly held in all our copies for the last 250 years.”

What Scrivener meant was that changes from 1769 were, in his view, not careful or better. He felt that he should “undo” the improvements from 1769 and make his own changes.

Someone might say that some words were altered in spelling, and some were not. However, there is a very good reason for this. In any example, such as “besides” and “beside”, we are dealing with two different words with two different meanings. For whatever reason they were not always being printed accurately, it was only until after 1769 that the right usage was found in each place. But with this, or other examples, the modern scholar might object. Perhaps he feels that some places which have one word should be the other, or perhaps all places should have just one word. This was exactly the type of approach Scrivener had, and which others like him have today.

Now, there are other problems with Scrivener’s approach and work, but we will not detail them here. Instead, we should examine some of the places where the Missing Verses website feels that the King James Bible is different today.

The fact is that there are no changes to the King James Bible’s underlying text, nor to the actual translation. All the differences can be explained when comparing the first 1611 printing to the Pure Cambridge Edition (PCE) of today.

1 John 5:12
(1611) Hee that hath the Sonne, hath life; and hee that hath not the Sonne, hath not life.
(PCE) He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Besides differences in spelling and punctuation, there is an important difference in words and meaning. The words “of God” were not printed in 1611. This seems like an important difference, until we realise that all kinds of words were omitted by the printers accidentally in 1611, and that the correct reading was there in 1629. Moreover, the correct reading already existed in the English Bible Version which was being used before 1611. Thus, it should be easy to see that the translators did intend the words “of God” to be present. However, as often happens in cases like these, modern editors might attempt to argue that the translators did not intend to have the words “of God”. This type of arguing based on doubt basically makes the Bible subject to human errors and limits God’s Providence in history. Since some translators were involved in editing the King James Bible in 1638, and since the words “of God” were retained, this is a very strong indication that “of God” belonged all along, and it was a printing error which took a few years to be corrected.

1 Timothy 1:4
(1611) Neither giue heed to fables, and endlesse genealogies, which minister questions, rather then edifying which is in faith: so doe.
(PCE) Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

The word “godly” was accidentally omitted by the printers in 1611, even though the previous copies of Scripture had the word. It was corrected in 1638.

John 15:20
(1611) Remember the word that I said vnto you, The seruant is not greater then the Lord: if they haue persecuted me, they will also persecute you: if they haue kept my saying, they will keepe yours also.
(PCE) Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

If this was not a typographical error, in substituting “the” for “his”, it would be well within the bounds of editorial convention to make this regularisation. If any issue is raised concerning the case of the letter “L”, there are various examples where nouns and titles have capitalisation which does not match the standardised usage, and the lowercase rendering was the intended meaning, especially since it is so rendered prior to 1611.

Matthew 12:23
(1611) And all the people were amazed, and said, Is this the sonne of Dauid?
(PCE) And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?

The alteration was to bring the meaning in line with the expression of standardised English. Any appearance of meaning change is completely superficial, as the correct diction as now supplied was the intended meaning all along.

Ezekiel 24:7
(1611) For her blood is in the middest of her: she set it vpon the toppe of a rocke, she powred it vpon the ground to couer it with dust:
(PCE) For her blood is in the midst of her; she set it upon the top of a rock; she poured it not upon the ground, to cover it with dust;

The omission of the word “not” was a typographical error, already corrected in 1613.

Isaiah 49:13
(1611) Sing, O heauen, and be ioyfull, O earth, and breake forth into singing, O mountaines: for God hath comforted his people, and will haue mercy vpon his afflicted.
(PCE) Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the LORD hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted.

Ruth 3:15
(1611) Also he said, Bring the vaile that thou hast vpon thee, and holde it. And when she helde it, he measured sixe measures of barley, and laide it on her: and he went into the citie.
(PCE) Also he said, Bring the vail that thou hast upon thee, and hold it. And when she held it, he measured six measures of barley, and laid it on her: and she went into the city.

The word “she” was accidentally printed “he” in 1611. This was already corrected in 1611.

1 Corinthians 12:28
(1611) And God hath set some in the Church, first Apostles, secondarily Prophets, thirdly Teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helpes in gouernmets, diuersities of tongues.
(PCE) And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Clearly a typographical error resulted in the word “in” being inserted instead of a comma.

All these examples do not give any real grounds that the King James Bible has in any way altered significantly, nor does the editing which has taken place, in the correction of printers’ errors, standardisation of the language and other regularisation amount to any real change in the underlying text or translation. Therefore, it amounts to nothing but fogging to attempt to discredit the superiority of the King James Bible with accusations against it of this nature.');
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[size=18:c2c3976a9f][color=darkblue:c2c3976a9f]EDITORIAL[/color:c2c3976a9f][/size:c2c3976a9f]

WE HAVE A PURE WORD TODAY

Does the Scripture teaching that purity applies to the very words of Scripture?

First, the teachings and doctrine of Scripture is pure. The Scripture itself is pure.

“Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.” (Psalm 119:140).

It is wonderful to see the Word of God as pure. We would therefore consider it precious, and not neglect it.

But purity also comes into the words themselves, “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.” (Psalm 12:6).

God’s Word is made up of words. The words themselves are pure. The words of God communicate His truth, and God cares for the words.

“Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.” (Proverbs 30:5).

God cares about versions, because some have more words than others. This is because some people have added to and some people have taken away from Scripture. But the Word teaches us that every word of God is pure, so we must be able to rely on a God who has supplied His Word. We can find it today.

The fact is that there are something like 64,000 fewer words in the New International Version, and fifteen verses taken out of the text as compared to the King James Bible. Only one can be right. Only one can be the pure words of God. Answer: the King James Bible.

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Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
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Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
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Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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&quot;Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.&quot; (1 Peter 5:7).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1516', '914508e0ec', 'The Prosperous Church', 'The following are the notes for a sermon I preached called &quot;The blessing of the Lord, it maketh rich&quot;.

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 “The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich.”  by Craig Savige

1. The blessing in the life of Christians.

God has given salvation and has blessed His people and this has benefits for them.

Prov. 10:22 “The blessing of the LORD, it maketh rich, and he addeth no
sorrow with it.”

Eph. 1:3,4	 “blessed us with all spiritual blessings”

Ps. 1:1-3 “Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the
ungodly”

Ps. 68:19,20 “daily loadeth us with benefits”

2 Cor. 8:9	 “ye through his poverty might be rich”

Col. 2:2,3 “all riches of the full assurance of understanding”

3 John 2 “even as thy soul prospereth”

1 Thess. 4:12 “ye may have lack of nothing”

Gen. 13:2; 24:1 “Abram was very rich” [see also Gal. 3:13,14,7-9]

Ps. 62:10 “if riches increase, set not your heart upon them”

Deut. 8:18 “he that giveth thee power to get wealth”

Repeat Prov. 10:22 &amp; Eph. 1:3,4.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1517', 'e4be47b306', '', 'A very well thought out post, Matthew.
It is amazing that the naysayers have no pure Bible,
They have no sufficient replacement for the PCE.
*******
PS. Is this the article you mentioned about some time back?
Touchet Baptist article
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KJV Subtle Changes
http://scatteredchristians.org/KJVSubtleChanges.html
*******
PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:');
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[size=18:eb293d9ddb][color=darkblue:eb293d9ddb]EDITORIAL[/color:eb293d9ddb][/size:eb293d9ddb]

400 YEARS OF THE KING JAMES BIBLE

A British trust has been set up to commemorate the 400-year anniversary of the King James Bible in 2011. Even though this organisation has high profile persons involved, and is uplifting the King James Bible as a historical entity, there are some important comments which need to be made.

The organisation’s aims first begin quite nobly, “Celebrate the cultural importance of the King James Bible; its contribution to the English language and its impact on subsequent generations throughout the World;” but from here, things turn ugly: “understand the politics of the Bible, the consequences of widening access to religious texts and its role in enriching the nations ...”

Uplifting the King James Bible now apparently has to do with politics. So be it. Perhaps we should remember that it was the uplifting of the King James Bible which gave way to Oliver Cromwell and the rule of the Puritans in the 1650s.

Again, exalting the King James Bible now has something to do with other religious texts which enrich the nations. But a religious text which contradicts the Bible cannot enrich nations. The books of other religions or political movements are not equal to the Bible. And promoting the King James Bible means that those other books should be considered very differently.

“And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified. And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds. Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.” (Acts 19:17-20).

We who hold the King James Bible in proper trust and honour must ensure that we do not link God’s truth to anti-Christian values.

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Explaining differences between KJB editions
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What about 1 John 5:7?
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=383[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

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Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

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Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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Those who believe, however, will prepare to give God the glory for His marvellous providence in bringing the pure Bible into our hands. In 2011, Victory Faith Centre as a church, for one, will be celebrating this wonderful gift.

&quot;Give unto the LORD, O ye mighty, give unto the LORD glory and strength.&quot; (Psalm 29:1).

[b:3bc44588e6]Let us know here of other believing churches, organisations and events that will be celebrating the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible.[/b:3bc44588e6]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1521', '5f93c44c14', 'The Word of God: Jesus is not a book', 'THE WORD OF GOD

In the Bible, we find two very clear entities. One is called the “Word” with a capital “W”, the other is called the “word” with a lowercase “w”. While linked, these two things are very different to each other.

JESUS IS CALLED THE WORD

In the beginning of the book of John, he introduces us to a person called the “Word”. This person, we are told, was with the Father and is God. This is none other than Jesus Christ. 

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1)

“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14).

“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life” (1 John 1:1).

“And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.” (Rev. 19:13).

THE SCRIPTURE IS GOD’S WORD

God’s message to mankind is His Word. This has been written down, called the Scripture. “If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35).

THOSE WHO SAY THAT JESUS EQUALS THE SCRIPTURE

Some folk confuse the title for Jesus with the entity of written revelation known as the Scripture. Jesus is a person, infinite, not a set of words, which is finite.

&quot;For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.&quot; (1 John 5:7).

Just because Jesus, called the Word, is in heaven, does not mean that the Scripture also exists in heaven.

1. The earthly had a book (Heb. 9:19), and the earthly is based upon the heavenly tabernacle (Heb. 9:23, 24).

2. Reference is made to the volume of the book in Psalm 40:7 when the Canon was yet incomplete on earth, also likewise in Hebrews 10:7.

3. The Scripture is figuratively signified as heavenly in origin in Revelation chapter ten.

If Jesus is called the &quot;Lamb&quot; he cannot be the written Word of God since a lamb is not a book. Therefore it is illogical to say that Jesus is a book, or that the Bible is God in written form. God is infinite, way bigger than the limited to Earth-space and time written revelation.

THE SCRIPTURE IS FINITE

&quot;He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he&quot; (Deut. 32:4).

God has supplied the perfect Scripture. But it is not infinite.

&quot;Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.&quot; (Proverbs 30:5).

The Scripture does not contain all information:

1. Jesus said and did a lot more than what is contained in Scripture. “And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.” (John 21:25).

2. Prophecies and working of the Spirit is more information than what is contained in Scripture, though it is always consistent with Scripture. “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.” (1 Cor. 13:9).

3. There are other books, like the Lamb’s book of life, and the books at the final judgment.

CONCLUSION

The Word of God, Jesus, came and fulfilled the Word of God, the Scripture. He is the author and the finisher of our faith (see Heb. 12:2).');
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God is good. His desire is to heal. If you are a son or daughter of the heavenly Father, it is His good pleasure to heal you. Yes, that’s right, God has done everything to get healing to you.

How do we know it is God’s will to heal? If we turn to the Bible, we find many references to healing and health. God’s plan for us is perfect health, and He has done this for you. Remember, God is no respecter of persons (Acts 10: 34), and He has not changed since New Testament times.

Jesus consistently taught the Word to people, and then healed them. He said it was their faith which made them whole. This means that God’s healing is not magic. He requires us to believe Him and receive from Him.

It is tremendously important to see that we do not have to convince God to heal us. We must believe that Jesus Christ, when He died on the cross, already purchased healing for us. If it is bought and paid for, it is ours to hold right now.

The devils do not want people to be healed. They want to lock people with sickness and infirmity. But Jesus has given life and power, and it is greater than the power of Satan.

Use the following list to look up each Scripture, read it out loud, and let the Word enter into your heart.

1)	Genesis 6:3
2)	Genesis 15:15
3)	Exodus 12:13
4)	Exodus 15:26
5)	Exodus 23: 25, 26
6)	Deut. 7:14, 15
7)	Deut. 11:9,21
8)	Deut. 23:5 &amp; Neh. 13:2
9)	Deut. 28:61 &amp; Gal. 3:13
10)	Deut. 30:19, 20
11)	Deut. 33:25
12)	Joshua 1:7, 8
13)	1 Kings 8:56
14)	Job 5:26
15)	Job 33:24, 25
16)	Psalm 29:11
17)	Psalm 30:1, 2
18)	Psalm 41:2, 3, 5
19)	Psalm 91:9, 10, 14–16
20)	Psalm 103:1–5
21)	Psalm 107:19–21
22)	Psalm 118:17
23)	Psalm 147:3
24)	Prov. 3:8
25)	Prov. 4:10
26)	Prov. 4:20–24
27)	Prov. 15:30
28)	Prov. 16:24
29)	Psalm 17:22 &amp; Neh. 8:10
30)	Isaiah 32:3, 4
31)	Isaiah 35:5, 6
32)	Isaiah 38:16, 20
33)	Isaiah 40:29, 31
34)	Isaiah 41:10
35)	Isaiah 46:4
36)	Isaiah 53:4, 5, 10
37)	Isaiah 57:19
38)	Isaiah 58:8
39)	Jer. 1:12
40)	Jer. 30:17
41)	Jer. 33:6
42)	Ezekiel 34:16
43)	Ezekiel 37:5, 14
44)	Ezekiel 47:9
45)	Joel 3:10
46)	Nahum 1:9
47)	Malachi 4:2
48)	Matt. 4:23
49)	Matt. 8:2, 3
50)	Matt. 8:16, 17
51)	Matt. 9:12 &amp; Ex. 15:26
52)	Matt. 9:29
53)	Matt. 10:1 &amp; Luke 9:1
54)	Matt. 12:15 &amp; Heb. 13:8
55)	Matt. 14:14, 36
56)	Matt. 15:26
57)	Matt. 18:18, 19
58)	Matt. 21:21
59)	Mark 7:37
60)	Mark 9:23
61)	Mark 11:22–24
62)	Mark 16:14–18
63)	Luke 4:18; Isaiah 10:27; 61:1
64)	Luke 9:11, 56
65)	Luke 10:19
66)	Luke 13:16 &amp; 2 Cor. 6:2
67)	John 1:4
68)	John 6:33, 35, 63
69)	John 10:10
70)	John 11:25
71)	John 14:14
72)	Acts 3:16
73)	Acts 4:30
74)	Acts 9:34
75)	Acts 10:38
76)	Acts 19:12
77)	Rom. 4:16–21
78)	Rom. 8:2
79)	Rom. 8:11
80)	1 Cor. 6:15, 19, 20
81)	1 Cor. 11:29–31
82)	1 Cor. 12:9
83)	2 Cor. 1:10
84)	2 Cor. 4:10, 11
85)	2 Cor. 10:3–5
86)	Gal. 3:13, 14, 29
87)	Eph. 1:21, 22
88)	Eph. 6:3, 10, 11
89)	Phil. 2:13
90)	Phil. 4:6, 7
91)	Col. 1:13
92)	2 Tim 1:7
93)	2 Tim. 4:18
94)	Heb. 2:9, 14, 15
95)	Heb. 10:22 &amp; Eph. 5:26
96)	Heb. 10:23, 35, 36
97)	Heb. 11:11
98)	Heb. 12:12, 13
99)	Heb. 13:8
100)	James 5:14–16
101)	1 Pet. 2:24
102)	2 Pet. 1:3
103)	1 John 3:21, 2
104)	1 John 5:14, 15
105)	3 John verse 2
106)	Revelation 12:11
107)	Revelation 22:17');
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One of the common and most obvious falsehoods we often hear by those who rail against the idea that the King James Bible is the complete, inspired and 100% true words of God is the claim that all thousands of textual variations out there are very minor and not of any real importance, and that  the various bible versions are basically 99.5% the same.
 
These ridiculous claims by those who do not believe that ANY Bible in ANY language are the complete, preserved and infallible words of God are so easily proven to be absurdly false that one has to assume that such people are either speaking out of complete ignorance of the facts or they are deliberately lying.
 
Here is one such claim found on a popular anti-King James Bible only site written by a man named Steve Rudd. http://www.bible.ca/b-kjv-only.htm We will look carefully at what he says and then respond to his statements.  He writes: 

“This outline is designed to refute the view that the King James Version (KJV) is the only modern Bible on earth that is 100% accurate and error free.  Foremost, we feel that the KJV is an EXCELLENT translation, but not the ONLY excellent translation.   In over 90 percent of the New Testament, readings are identical word-for-word, regardless of the family. Of the remaining ten percent, MOST of the differences between the texts are fairly irrelevant, such as calling the Lord &quot;Christ Jesus&quot; instead of &quot;Jesus Christ,&quot; or putting the word &quot;the&quot; before a noun. Less than two percent would significantly alter the meaning of a passage, and NONE of them would contradict or alter any of the basic points of Christian doctrine. What we have, then, is a dispute concerning less than one-half of one percent of the Bible. The other 99.5% we all agree on! 
Because there are over 14,000 manuscript copies of the New Testament we can absolutely be confident of its accuracy.”  Steve Rudd.
 
Responding to Mr. Rudd’s Claims.
 
First of all, Mr. Rudd has a peculiar way of using the words telling us that “we feel that the KJV is AN EXCELLENT TRANSLATION”.  If  he really thinks it is such an excellent translation, then why do so many of his other articles found on the same site go on and on, example after example,  complaining about how the King James Bible is based on the wrong texts and has scores if not hundreds of translational errors?  
Either his standard of “excellency” is very low or he is not willing to be honest and come right out and tell us that he thinks the King James Bible is an inferior and error ridden relic of the past that should be left behind and abandoned for something more modern and accurate.

 
Secondly, Mr. Rudd then tells us:  “In over 90 percent of the New Testament, readings are identical word-for-word, regardless of the family. Of the remaining ten percent, MOST of the differences between the texts are fairly irrelevant, such as calling the Lord &quot;Christ Jesus&quot; instead of &quot;Jesus Christ,&quot; or putting the word &quot;the&quot; before a noun. Less than two percent would significantly alter the meaning of a passage, and NONE of them would contradict or alter any of the basic points of Christian doctrine. What we have, then, is a dispute concerning less than one-half of one percent of the Bible. The other 99.5% we all agree on! “
 
Here is where Mr. Rudd goes completely off track and is either speaking out of ignorance or is flat out lying about the facts. 
 
Modern version proponents (also known as Bible Agnostics because they do not know and cannot tell you with absolute certainty which parts of all the various contradictory versions are from God and which are not) often try to tell us that all the bible versions teach the same things doctrinally and so there is not need to get all upset about this King James Bible onlyism stuff.
 
Well, this simply is not true.  There ARE definite doctrinal differences and it is these very real differences that prove the modern versions to be false witnesses.  Please see “No Doctrines Are Changed?”
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/nodoctrinechanged.htm

Mr. Rudd is pretty close to the truth when he says there is about a 10% difference regarding the text of the Bible among the various translations out there today, but then he grossly overstates his case when he tries to pass off the majority of these as being nothing more than reversing the name of Jesus Christ or putting “the” before a noun.   He is completely in error when he claims that “the other 99.5% we all agree on!”
 
Then he goes way over the top when he affirms as his conclusion: “Because there are over 14,000 manuscript copies of the New Testament we can absolutely be confident of its accuracy.”
Let’s check out the FACTS, OK?
Actually, what we see from recent polls is the the majority of present day Christians no longer believe that any Bible in any language is the complete and infallible words of God, and they are by no means “absolutely confident of its accuracy”.
 
See “The Bible is NOT the Inspired and Inerrant Words of God”
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/thebiblenotinspired.htm
 
Here is just one of the quotes regarding textual criticism you will find in this article.  
 
&quot;As New Testament textual criticism moves into the twenty-first century, it must shed whatever remains of its innocence, for nothing is simple anymore. Modernity may have led many to assume that a straightforward goal of reaching a single original text of the New Testament--or even a text as close as possible to that original--was achievable. Now, however, REALITY AND MATURITY REQUIRE THAT TEXTUAL CRITICISM FACE UNSETTLING FACTS, CHIEF AMONG THEM THAT THE TERM \'ORIGINAL\' HAS EXPLODED INTO A COMPLEX AND HIGHLY UNMANAGEABLE MULTIVALENT ENTITY. Whatever tidy boundaries textual criticism may have presumed in the past have now been shattered, and its parameters have moved markedly not only to the rear and toward the front, but also sideways, as fresh dimensions of originality emerge from behind the variant readings and from other manuscript phenomena&quot; (E. Jay Epps, &quot;The Multivalence of the Term \'Original Text\' In New Testament Textual Criticism,&quot; Harvard Theological Review, 1999, Vol. 92, No. 3, pp. 245-281; this article is based on a paper presented at the New Testament Textual Criticism Section, Society of Biblical Literature Annual Meeting, Orlando, Florida, November 1998).
 
And this isn’t even mentioning the Old Testament where versions like the RSV, NASB, NIV, ESV, NET and Holman Standard Versions reject the Hebrew texts hundreds of times and not even in the same places.
 
Here is just a sample.  You can see many more here:
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/nivnasbrejecthebrew.htm
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/nivnasbrejecthebrew2.htm
 
The following short list is just a sampling of the divergent and confusing readings found among the contradictory modern bible versions. There are numerous other examples.  Among these “details” are whether Jeremiah 27:1 reads Jehoiakim (Hebrew texts, RV,ASV, NKJV, KJB) or Zedekiah (NIV, NASB); whether 2 Samuel 21:8 reads Michal (Hebrew texts, KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV) or Merab (NIV, NASB), or 70 (NASB, NKJV, RV, ASV, KJB) being sent out by the Lord Jesus in Luke 10:1 or 72 (NIV), or the 7th day in Judges 14:15 (KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV) or the 4th day (NASB, NIV), or God smiting 50,070 men in 1 Samuel 6:19 (KJB, RV, ASV, NASB) or 70 men slain (NIV, RSV),  or “70 men- 50 chief men” (Young’s), or there being 30,000 chariots in 1 Samuel 13:5 (KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV, NASB, ESV) or only 3000 (NIV, &amp; Holman), or 1 Samuel 13:1 reading - ONE/TWO years (NKJV, KJB, Geneva,Judaica Press Tanach), or 40/32 (NASB 1972-77) or 30/42 (NASB 1995, NIV), or _____years and.______and two years (RSV, ESV), or even “32 years old...reigned for 22 years” in the 1989 Revised English Bible!; 2 Samuel 15:7 “forty years” (Hebrew, Geneva, NKJV, NASB, RV) OR “four years” (NIV,RSV, ESV,NET), or whether both 2 Samuel 23:18 and 1 Chronicles 11:20 read THREE (Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, NKJV, NIV, NET, Holman or THIRTY from the Syriac NASB, RSV, ESV), or 2 Samuel 24:13 reading SEVEN years (Hebrew, ASV, NASB, NKJV) or THREE years (LXX, NIV, RSV, ESV)  or whether 1 Kings 5:11 reads 20 measures of pure oil (Hebrew texts, Geneva, KJB, ASV, RV, NASB, NRSV) or 20,000 (RSV, NIV, ESV, NET, LXX and Syriac) or in 2 Chronicles 31:16 we read THREE years old (Hebrew texts, Geneva Bible, Wycliffe, LXX, Syriac, RV, ASV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, NIV, NKJV, Holman, NET) or THIRTY years old (NASB - ft. Hebrew “three”) or where 2 Chronicles 36:9 reads that Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign (Hebrew texts, NASB, NKJV, RV,ASV,KJB, ESV) or he was 18 years old (NIV).

Christians do not believe in the Infallibility of Scripture.
 
Another quote showing the widespread unbelief in the infallibility of Scripture is this:  Pastor Michael Youseff\'s Message on His &quot;Leading The Way&quot; program. The title of todays message was &quot;The Bible, The World\'s Most Relevant Book - Part 2. In his message he gave statistics of a poll that was conducted. Here is what the poll revealed: “85% of students at America\'s largest Evangelical Seminary don\'t believe in the inerrancy of Scripture. 74% of the Clergy in America no longer believe in the inerrancy of Scripture.”

 
How Different Are the New Testament Texts?
How many textual differences are there between such Bible translations as the King James Bible (and also the NKJV) and the other versions based primarily on the Westcott-Hort/ UBS Greek texts like the NASB, NIV, ESV, RSV?
 
There are many myths that are perpetuated today by the defenders of the modern versions, and one of those is that there is very little difference between the Received Text underlying the King James Bible and other ancient Protestant versions and the Westcott-Hort Greek text underlying most of the modern versions. Westcott and Hort themselves made this claim in their day, and it is widely repeated today. The fact is that the differences are large and serious and a choice must be made.
 
The following is from Dr. Donald Waite\'s book Defending the King James Bible: &quot;The Westcott and Hort Text changes the Textus Receptus in over 5,600 places.”
 
&quot;Do you know how many changes they made? My own personal count, as of August 2, 1984, using Scrivener\'s Greek New Testament referred to 
above, was 5,604 changes that Westcott and Hort made to the Textus Receptus in their own Greek New Testament text. Of these 5,604 alterations, I found 1,952 to be OMISSIONS (35%), 467 to be ADDITIONS (8%), and 3,185 to be CHANGES (57%). In these 5,604 places that were involved in these alterations, there were 4,366 more words included, making a total of 9,970 Greek words that were involved. This means that in a Greek Text of 647 pages (such as Scrivener\'s text), this would average 15.4 words per page that were CHANGED from the Received Text. Pastor Jack Moorman counted 140,521 words in the Textus Receptus. These changes would amount to 7% of the words; and 45.9 pages of the Greek New Testament if placed together in one place.”
 
&quot;Rev. Jack A. Moorman, in December 1988, wrote a book entitled: \'Missing in Modern Bibles--Is The Full Story Being Told?\' It was published by The Bible For Today in April, 1989. Rev. Moorman counted every word of the Received Greek Text and also every word of the Nestle/Aland Greek Text and, on a chapter by chapter count, came up with the Nestle/Aland text being SHORTER than the Received Text by 2,886 words. This is 934 words more than were omitted from the Westcott and Hort text. (1,952 vs. 2,886). The omitting of 2,886 Greek words is the equivalent, in number of English words involved, 
of DROPPING OUT THE ENTIRE BOOKS OF 1 PETER AND 2 PETER! Pastor Moorman\'s book is eighty large pages.&quot; [B.F.T. #1726] (Bible for Today, 900 Park Ave., Collingswood, NJ 08108)
 
Just to prove that these textual changes are far more than just reversing the name of Jesus Christ  to Christ Jesus or adding the word “the” before a noun, here is a concrete list showing MANY BUT BY NO MEANS ALL of the textual differences between translations like the King James Bible along with the NKJV and versions like the NIV and NASB.  See if you think these textual differences are of no major significance and that they add up to 99.5% the same.
 
Whole or most of the verse omitted in the NIV as compared to the KJB and NKJV.  There are another 28 entire verses in addition to these 17 examples from the NIV omitted from the text of the Revised Standard Version. (That makes for a total of 45 entire verses missing from the N.T. text of the RSV!) 
 
Matthew 12:47 - “Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.” (Omitted by RSV and ESV but found in NIV, NASB, NKJV)
 
Matthew 17:21- “Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.”
 
Matthew 18:11 - “For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.”
 
Matthew 23:14-  “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!  for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.”
 
Mark  7:16 - “If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.”
 
Mark 9:44 - “Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”
 
Mark 9:46 - “Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”
 
Mark 11:26 -  “But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespases.”
 
Mark 15:28 - “And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.”
 
Luke  17:36 - “Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.”
 
Luke 23:17 - “For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.”
 
John  5:4 - “For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.”
 
Acts  8:37 - “And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
 
Acts 15:34 - “Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still.”
      
Acts 24:6b to 8a - “and would have judged according to our law.  But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands, Commanding his accusers to come unto thee”
 
Acts 28:29 -”And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.”
 
Romans - 16:24 “The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.”
 
I John 5:7-8 - omits the words: “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth”

NIV - Portions of Verses Omitted
 
Matthew
5:27  by them of old time
5:44  bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you
5:44  despitefully use you, and
6:13 For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever.  Amen.
15:6  or his mother
15:8  draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and
19:9  and whoso marrieth her which is put away- doth commit adultery
19:20 from my youth
20:7  and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive
20:16 for many be called, but few chosen
20:22 and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with
20:23  and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with
22:13 and take him away
23:4  and grievous to be borne
25:13  wherein the Son of man cometh
26:3  and the scribes
26:60 yet found they none
27:35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted My garments among  them, and upon MY vesture did they cast lots
28:2  from the door
28:9  as they went to tell His disciples
 
Mark
1:14  Of the kingdom
1:42 as soon as He had spoken
3:5   whole as the other
3:15  to heal sicknesses, and
6:11   Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment,
than for that city 
6:33  and came together unto Him
6:36  for they have nothing-
7:2   they found fault
7:8   as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do
8:9   they that had eaten
8:26  nor tell it to any in the town
9:38  and he followeth not us
9:45  into the fire that never shall be quenched
9:49  and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt
10:7  and cleave to his wife
10:21 take up the cross
10:24 them that trust in riches
11:8  and strawed them in the way
11:10  in the name of the Lord
11:23 whatsoever he saith
12:23 therefore, when they shall rise
12:29 of all the commandments
12:30 this is the first commandment
12:33 and with -all the soul
13:11 neither do ye premeditate
13:14 spoken of by Daniel the prophet
14:19 and another said, Is it I?
14:27   because of Me this night
14:68 and the cock crew
14:70 and thy speech agreeth thereto
15:3  but He answered nothing
 
Luke
1:28  blessed art thou among women
1:29  when she saw him
2:42  up to Jerusalem
4:4  but by every word of God
4:8  Get thee behind Me, Satan
4.18  to heal the brokenhearted
5:38  and both are preserved
7:31 And the Lord said
8:43  had spent all her living upon physicians
8:45  and they that were with Him
8:45 and sayest thou, Who touched -Me?
8:48  be of good comfort
8:54  put them all out, and
9:10  a desert place
9:54  even as Elias did?
9:55  and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of
9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men\'s lives, but to save them
11:2  Which art in heaven
11:2  Thy - will be done, as in heaven, so in earth
11:4  but deliver us from evil
11:11 bread of any of you ... will he give him a stone ? -- or if he ask
11:44 scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites
11:54  that they might accuse Him
12:39 he would have watched, and
17:9  him?  I trow not
18:24 that he was very sorrowful
19:45 therein, and them that bought
20:13 when they see him
20:23  Why tempt ye Me?
20:30 took her to wife, and he died childless
22:31  And the Lord said
22:64   they struck Him \'on the face
22:68    Me, nor let Me go
23:23 and of the chief priests
23:38 written . . . in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew
24:1  and certain others with them
24:42 and of an honeycomb
24:46 and thus it behoved
 
John
1:27  is preferred before me
3:1   Which is in heaven
3:15  should not perish, but
5:3   waiting for the moving of the water
5:16 and sought to slay Him
6:11  to the disciples, and the disciples
6:22 that one whereinto.  His disciples were entered
6:47 on Me
8:9   being convicted by their own conscience
8:9   even unto the last
8:10  and saw none but the woman
8:10  those thine accusers?
8:59 going through the midst of them, and so passed by
9:6   of the blind man-
10:26  as I said unto you
11:41 where the dead was laid
12:1  which had been dead
16:16  because I go to the Father
17:12 in the world
19:16 and led Him away
 
Acts
2:30 according to the flesh, He would raise up Christ
3:11  the lame man which was healed
7:37 Him shall ye hear
9:5   it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks
9:6   And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt Thou have me to do?  And the Lord said  unto him
10:6  he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do
10:12 and wild beasts
10:21 which were sent unto him froth Cornelius
10:32 who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee,
13:42 the Jews out, of the synagogue,  and the Gentiles
15:18  unto God are all His, works
15:24 saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law
18:21 1 must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem
20:15 and tarried at Trogyllium
21:8  that were of Paul\'s company
21:22 the multitude must needs come together. for
21:25 that they observe no such thing, save only
22:9  and were afraid
22:20 unto his death
23:9  let us not fight against God
24:26 that he might loose him
26:30 And when he had thus spoken
28:16 the centurion delivered the prisoners to the captain of the guard
 
Romans
1:16      Omits  of Christ
8:1   who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit
9:28  in righteousness. because a short work
10:15 preach the gospel of peace
11:6  But if-it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work
13:9  Thou shalt not bear false witness
14:6  he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it
14:21 or is offended, or is made weak
15:24 1 will come to you
15:29 of the gospel
 
I  Corinthians
6:20  and in your spirit, which are God\'s
10:28 for the earth is the Lord\'s and the fulness thereof
11:24   Take, eat
Galatians
3:1 that ye should not obey the truth
 
Ephesians
3:14  of our Lord Jesus Christ
5:30   of His flesh, and of His bones
 
Philippians
3:16  by the same rule, let us mind the same thing
 
Colossians
1:2  and the Lord Jesus Christ
1:14 through His blood
3:6   on the children of disobedience
 
I Thessalonians
1:1   from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ
 
I Timothy
3:3   not greedy of filthy lucre
6:5   from such withdraw thyself
6:7   it is certain
 
Hebrews
2:7   and didst set him over the works of Thy hands
3:6   firm unto the end
7:21  after the order of Melchisedec
8-12  and their iniquities
10:30   saith the Lord
10:34 in heaven
11:11 was delivered of a child
11:13 and were persuaded of them
12:20 or thrust through with a dart
 
I Peter
1:22 through the Spirit
4:3   of our life
4:14 on their part He is evil spoken of, but
11 Peter     on your part He is glorified
3:10  in the night
 
I John
4:3  Christ is come in the flesh
5:13 and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God
 
Revelation
 
1:8  the Beginning and the Ending
1:11 I am Alpha and Omega, the First and the Lost: and
1:11  which are in Asia
5:14  Him that liveth for ever and ever
11:1  and the angel stood
11: 17 and art to come
14:5  before the throne of God
15:2  over his mark
21:24 of them which are saved

Difference that Affect the Meaning
 
Matthew
1:25 Omit: her firstborn
5:22  Omit: without a cause
6:1   righteousness, in place of, alms
6:4   Omit: openly
6:6   Omit: openly
6:18  Omit: openly
9:36  harassed, in place\' of, fainted
16:3  Omit: 0 ye hypocrites
17:20 little faith, in place of, unbelief
19:16  Omit: Good
19:17  Why askest thou Me concerning the good?  One is good, in place of, Why callest thou Me  good?  There is none _good but one, that is, God
20:26 it is not, in place of, it shall not be
20:34 Omit: their eyes (received sight)
22:7  Omit: heard
23:19 Omit: fools and
24:7  Omit: and pestilences;
24:36  Add: neither the Son (but My Father)
24:48 Omit: his coming
25:31 Omit: holy
26:28   Omit: new
26:59 Omit: and elders
27:34 wine, in place Of, vinegar
27:42 Omit: If
27:64 Omit: by night
 
Mark
1:2   Isaiah the prophet, in place of\' the prophets.
2:16  of the, in place of, and (Pharisees)
2:16  Omit: How is it
2:17  Omit: to repentance
2:22  Omit: is spilled
3:29 sin, in place of, damnation
4:11  Omit: to know
5:36  having disregarded, in place of, as soon as (Jesus) heard
7:14  again, in place of, all
7:31  through, in place of, and (Sidon)
8:1   again, in place of, very
9:25  he saw distinctly, in place of, made him look
9:29  Omit: and fasting
10:43 it is not so, in place of so shall it not be
12.4  Omit: they cast stones
12:4  Omit: sent . . . away
13:8  Omit: and troubles
13:33 Omit: and pray
14:22 Omit: eat (this is)
14:24 Omit: new
14:51 Omit: the young men
14:65 received, in place of, did strike
15:8  coming up, in place of, crying aloud
15:39    Omit: He so cried out
 
Luke
2:14  Men of good will, in place of, good will toward men
2:22 their, in place of, her (purification)
4:1   in, in place of, into (the wilderness)
6:48  because it was well built, in place of, for it was
founded upon a rock
7:28  Omit: prophet
9:35 chosen, in place of, beloved (Son)
9:48  is, in place of, shall be (great)
11:53 went out thence, in place of, said these things unto them
12:18  the wheat, in place of, my fruits
14:5  son, in place of, ass
16:9  it shall fail, in place of , ye fail
17:3  Omit: against thee
21:36 may have strength, in place of, may be accounted worthy\'
23:15 he sent Him bock to us, in place of, I sent you to him
23:39 not, in place of, If
23:45 failed (or eclipsed),: in place of, darkened
24:17 stood, in place of,\' are (sad)
 
John
1:16  Because, in place- of, And (of His)
1:51  Omit: Hereafter
6:65 Omit: My
6:69 the Holy One of God, in place of, that Christ, the Son
of the living God
8:28 Omit: My
8:38 Omit: My
9:4 We, in place of, 1
10:32  Omit: My
12:7   in order that she may keep, in place of, hath she kept
12:47 keep, in place of, believe
13:18 My bread, in place of, bread with Me
14:28  Omit: My
16: 10    Omit: my
17:17     Omit: Thy (truth)
18:40 Omit: all
20:17  Omit: My (Father: but go)
 
Acts
2:1   together, in place of, with one accord
3:20  foreordained, in place of, preached
5:16  Omit: unto
6:8   grace, in. place of, faith
6:13  Omit: blasphemous
9:25  Add: his (disciples)
10:16 immediately, in place of, again
10:30 Omit: fasting
13:19-20  He divided by lot their land about 450 years, and after
these things, He gave judges, in place of, He divided their land to them by lot.  And after that He gave them judges about the space of 450 years
13:45 Omit: contradicting and
15:23 Omit: after this manner
15:25 having chosen, in place- of, chosen
16:13 we supposed, in place of, was wont
17:5  Omit: which believed not
17:26 Omit: blood
18:5  word, in place of, spirit
18:17 Omit: the Greeks
19:2  Omit: they said
19:40 Add: not (give an account.)
22:26 Omit: Take heed
23:12 Omit: certain of
23:15 Omit: to morrow
24:2  reforms, in place of, very worthy deeds
24:9  joined in attack, in place of, assented
25:6  Add: not (more than) eight or
25:15 condemnation, in place of, judgment
25:16 Omit: to die.
 
Romans
9:32  Omit: of the law
 
1 Corinthians
4:2   Here, in place of, Moreover
7:3   Omit: benevolence
7 :5  Omit: fasting and
7:38  marries his own virgin, in place of, giveth ...    in marriage
7:38  marries not,. in place of, giveth her not in marriage
7:39  Omit: by the low
8:7   custom, in place of, conscience (of the idol)
9:21  of, in\' place of, to (God)   to (Christ)
9:22  Omit: as (weak)
9:23  all things, in place of, this
10:28 offered in sacrifice, in place    of, offered in sacrifice  unto idols
11:24 Omit: broken
11:29 Omit: unworthily
14:38  he is ignored, in place of, let him be ignorant
 
2 Corinthians
4:14 with, in place of, by
5:17  Omit: all things
12:19 Long ago, in place of, Again
 
Galatians
4:14 your, in place of, my (temptation)
5:19 Omit: Adultery
5:21 Omit: murders
 
Ephesians
3:9   administration, in place of, fellowship
4:9 Omit: first
4:17 Omit: other
5:9   light, in place of, Spirit
 
Philippians
4:23   your spirit, in place of, you all
 
Colossians
2:18  Omit: not
4:8   ye might know our, in place of, he might know your
4:12  fully assured, in place of, complete
4:13  labor, in place of, zeal
 
1 Thessalonians
2:15    Omit: their own
3:2   Omit: and ... fellow labourer
 
I Timothy
1:17   Omit: wise
3:3 omits “not greedy of filthy lucre”
4:10 strive, in place of, suffer reproach
4:12 omits “spirit” 5:4 Omit: good
5:16 Omit: man or
6:19  life that is, in place of, eternal life
 
2 Timothy
1:11  Omit: of the Gentiles
4:1   and, in place of, at
 
Titus
1:4   Omit: mercy
 
Philemon
 
v. 2  sister, in place of, beloved
v. 12 Omit: therefore receive
 
Hebrews
8:11  citizen, in place of neighbour
10:34 with prisoners, in place of, my bonds
12:7  For, in place of, If
13:21 Omit: work
 
James
1:19  Ye know, in place of, Wherefore
2:5   to the world, in place of, of this world
2:20  idle, in place of, dead
3:8   unsettled, in place of, unruly
3:12  neither does salt make water fresh, in place of, so no fountain both yield salt water and fresh
4:4   Omit: adulterers and
4:12  neighbor, in place of, another
4:14  Ye are, in place of, It is
5:5   Omit: as
5:16  sins, in place of, faults Peter
2:2   Add: (thereby) unto salvation
3:8   humble minded, in place of, courteous
3:13  zealous, in place of, followers
3:16  Omit: as of evildoers
4:1   Omit: for us
4:16  name, in place of, behalf
5:5   Omit: be subject
5:11 Omit: glory and
 
2 Peter
1:3   own, in place of, to (glory)
1:21  men from God, in place of, holy men of God
2:17  Omit: for ever
3:2   of your, in place of, of us the (apostles)
3:10  shall be detected, in place of, shall be burned up
 
I John
2:20  Ye all know, in place of, ye know all things
4:20  he cannot, in place of, how can he
 
2 John
v. 9  goes before, in place of, transgresseth
 
3 John
v. 8   sustain, in place of, receive
 
Jude
v. 1  beloved, in place of, sanctified
v. 5  all things, in place of, this
v. 19  Omit: themselves
v. 25  Omit: wise
v. 25   Add: before the whole age (both now and)
 
Revelation
1:5   loves, in place of, loved
1:6   a kingdom, in place of, kings and
2:3   Omit: hast laboured
2:9   Omit: works, and
2:13  Omit: thy works, and
2:15 in like manner, in place of, “which thing I hate”
2:20  Omit: a few things
2:22  her, in place of, their
2:24  to the, in place of, and (unto the rest)
3:5   thus, in place of, the same
4:6   Add: as (a sea of)
5:4   Omit: and to read
5:10  them, in place of, us
5:16  a kingdom, in place of, kings
5:10  they shall reign, in place of, we shall reign
6:6   Add: as (a voice)
6:17  their, in place of, His
8:7   Add: (earth) and a third part of the earth was burnt up
8:13  eagle, in place of, angel
12:12 Omit: the inhabiters
13:1  “he” stood in place of, I stood
13:10 Omit: leadeth
13:10 is to be killed, in place of, killeth
13:10 Omit: must
15:3  nations, in place of, saints
15:6  stone, in place of, linen
16:5  holy, in place of, shalt be
16:17 Omit: of heaven
17:8  shall be present, in place of, yet is
17:16 and, in place of, upon
18:20 saints and apostles, in place of, holy apostles
19:1  Add: as (a great voice)
19:1  Omit: and honour
19:17  the great supper of God, in place of, the supper of the great God
21:3  the throne, in place of, heaven
21:7  these things, in place of, all things
21:16 Omit: is as large
21:24 Omit: and honour
22:5  longer, in place of, there (and they)
22:6   spirits of the, in place of, holy
22:11 practice righteousness, in place of, be righteous
22:14  wash their robes, in place of, do His commandments
22:19 tree, in place of, book (of life)
22:21 “God’s people”, in place of, “you all”

Further omissions of the name of God, Lord, Jesus and Christ in the NIV
 
Matthew
6:33  of God
8:29  Jesus
13:36 Jesus
13:51 Lord
15:30 Jesus\'
16:20 Jesus
17:11 Jesus
17:20 Jesus
18:2  Jesus
19:17 that is, God
21:12 of God
22:30 of God
22:32 God (is not)
23:8  even Christ
24:2  Jesus
25:13 wherein the Son of man cometh
28:6  the Lord
 
Mark
5:13  forthwith Jesus
6:34  Jesus
7:27  Jesus
9:24  with tears, Lord
11:10 in the name of the Lord
11:14 Jesus
12:27 God (of the living)

Luke
2:40  in Spirit
4:4   but by every word of God
4:41  Christ (the Son of God)
7:22  Jesus
7:31  And the Lord said
9:56  For the Son of man
9:57  Lord -
12:31 His kingdom, in place of, kingdom of God
13:25 (Lord) Lord
21:4  of God
22:31 And the Lord said
23:42 Lord
 
John
4:16  Jesus
4:42  the Christ
4:46  Jesus
5:30  Father
6:39  Father\'s
6:69 that Christ
8:11 Lord
8:20  Jesus
8:29  the Father
9:35 man, in place of, God
16:16 because I go to the Father
19:38 omits “of Jesus” (took the body of Jesus””
 
Acts
2:30  according to the flesh, He Would raise up Christ
3:26  Jesus
4:24  God (which hast made)
7:30  of the Lord
7:32  God (of Isaac)
7:32  God (of Jacob)
7:37  Lord your
9:5   Lord said
9:6   And he trembling and astonished said, Lord what wilt Thou have me to do?
9:6   And the Lord said unto him-
9:29  Jesus
15:11 Christ
15:18 unto God are all His works
16:31 Christ
19:4  Christ
19:10 Jesus
20:21 Christ
20:25 of God
22:16 His name, in place of, the name of the Lord
23:9  let us not fight against God
 
Romans
1:16  of Christ
6:11  our Lord
8:1   who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit
14:6  and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard
15:8  Jesus
15:19 of God
16:18 Jesus
16:20 Christ
 
1 Corinthians
1:14  God
5:4   Christ ...
5:4   ... Christ
5:5   Jesus
6:20  and in your spirit-, which are God\'s
9:1   Christ
9:18  of Christ
10:28 for the earth is the Lord\'s, and the fulness thereof
15:47 the Lord
16:22 Jesus
16:22 Christ
16:23 Christ
2 Corinthians
4:6   Jesus
4:10  Lord
5:18  Jesus
10:7  (so are we) Christ\'s
11:31 Christ
 
Galatians
3:17  in Christ
4:7  Christ
6:15  in Christ
6:15  Jesus
6:17  Lord
 
Ephesians
3:9 by Jesus
3:9   Christ
3:14  of our Lord
3:14  Jesus
3:14  Christ
5:9   light, in place of, Spirit
 
Philippians
2:30 Christ
3:16 “rule, let us mind the same thing”
4:13  Christ
 
Colossians
1:2   and the Lord Jesus Christ
1:28  Jesus
2:2   and of the Father
 
1 Thessalonians
1:1   from God
1:1   our Father
1:1   and the Lord
1:1   Jesus
1:1   Christ
3:11  Christ
3:13  Christ
 
2 Thessalonians
1:8  Christ
1:12   Christ (may be)
2:4   as God (sitteth in the temple)
 
1 Timothy
1:1 Lord
1:17 omits “wise” in “the only wise God”
2:7 in Christ
3:3 omits “not greedy of filthy lucre”
3:16 who, in place of, God
5:21 Lord
 
2 Timothy
4:1   the Lord
4:22  Jesus
4:22  Christ
 
Titus
1:4   Lord
 
Philemon
v. 6  Jesus
 
Hebrews
3:1   Christ
10:  9       0 God
1:22  through the Spirit
5:10  Jesus
5:14  Jesus
 
I John
1:7   Christ
3:2 Adds “and that is what we are”
4:3  Christ is come in the flesh. 
4:19 omits “him” from “we love HIM”
5:13  and that ye may believe on the name of the Son
5:13  of God
 
2 John
 
v. 3  the Lord
v. 9  of Christ (he hath both the Father)
 
Jude
v. 4   God (and our Lord)
 
Revelation
1:8   The Beginning
1:8    and The Ending
1:9   Christ ...
1:9   . . . Christ
1:11 I am Alpha
1:11 and Omega
1:11 the First
1:11 and the Last
12:17 Christ
14:5  before the throne of God
16:5  0 Lord
19:1  Lord
20:9  from God
20:12 the throne, in place of, God
21:4  God
22:19 change “book of life” to “tree of life”
22:19 omit “from the things”
22:21 omits “our” “Christ” and changes “you all” to “God’s people”
 
So, do  you STILL think that all bible versions are 99.5% the same?
 
Will Kinney');
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THE WORD SUPPLY

The Bible prophesies, “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD” (Amos 8:11).

This famine is not a famine of the Word of God itself, but of the readiness to hear it.

The printing press was invented and used by 1453. It was used to print the Bible. In fact, all kinds of religious literature was printed until 1517, but it was not until that year that the Reformation took place.

In our day, we can point to the internet and other communication media, and yet find that despite the possibility for a wealth of information, in fact, there is very little light about. That is, the light of godly knowledge.

We have the promise of Scripture that God said, “I will pour out my spirit” (see Joel 2:28).

He also pointed out that we would prosper only as we increase in knowledge, saying, “Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.” (3 John 1:2).

Therefore, when we look to the types of Scripture, such as Genesis 41:56, we find the problem and the solution, “And the famine was over all the face of the earth: And Joseph opened all the storehouses, and sold unto the Egyptians; and the famine waxed sore in the land of Egypt.”

The statement is contrasted with the important provision of God, “And Joseph opened all the storehouses”, meaning, God is able to make the knowledge of His Word, the hearing of the Word, and the obeying of the Scripture abound.

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The use of the word “spirit” is distinct to “Spirit”. The “Spirit” means the Holy Ghost, but when “spirit” is used in relation to God, it might mean an affect or the nature of God’s working with man.

The question is asked concerning the phrase “in the spirit” or “in the Spirit” in Revelation.

Specifically, why does Revelation 1:10 have “Spirit” when other references have “spirit”?

This is easy to answer. Revelation 1:10 is talking about John being spiritual (i.e. praying in the Holy Ghost), whereas the other references are in a vision, literally, in the spirit realm. This is obvious from context.

What is not surprising is that foreign translations will get these types of distinctions wrong. Even many English Bibles get it wrong.

Now, another question is why does it have “spirit” in 1611 at Revelation 1:10? This is very likely a printing error, and it was already corrected to “Spirit” before 1637, presumably in or even before 1629.

Thus, it is important to preserve the distinction of “Spirit” and “spirit”.');
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1527', '1b36fad93e', '', '[quote:1b36fad93e]Now, another question is why does it have “spirit” in 1611 at Revelation 1:10? This is very likely a printing error, and it was already corrected to “Spirit” before 1637, presumably in or even before 1629.[/quote:1b36fad93e]

1612 reads &quot;spirit&quot;
1663 Cambridge reads &quot;Spirit&quot;
1668 Cambridge reads &quot;Spirit&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1528', '229817018f', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;So the priests and the prophets and all the people heard Jeremiah speaking these words in the house of the LORD.&quot; (Jeremiah 26:7).

This verse shows particularly the exactness required with God\'s words. If there were a comparison done with modern versions as to the &quot;words&quot; that Jeremiah spoke, then there would surely come forth a great difference - some might exhibit fewer words that the King James Bible whilst some might exhibit more words.

God wants His words spoken in His house. This is very important and clear, otherwise preaching would not be done. God wants the ministers to acknowledge that His words are to be spoken in His house, otherwise the people could be led astray. God wants people to hear His words, otherwise faith does not come (see Romans 10:17).

The conclusion is that there must be exact words from God to be spoken in His house. Modern versions just do not meet this criterion.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1529', 'a4062f27aa', 'John MacArthur - Pastor with NO Infallible Bible', 'John MacArthur - Pastor and Teacher with No Infallible Bible
 
John MacArthur has a lot to say about the inspiration and infallibility of “The Bible”.  He likes to sound as if he really believes in the existence of a complete, inspired and 100% true Holy Bible, but the poor man doesn’t have one, and he couldn’t tell you where to get one if his life depended on it.
 
Now I am not saying at all that John MacArthur is not a brother in the Lord, or that he’s the spawn of Satan and on his way to hell.  No, I believe he is a born again Christian, redeemed by the blood of the Lamb and I will be spending eternity with him in the presence of our wonderful Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
 
However when it comes to the fundamental doctrine of whether or not the Scriptures - the complete written words of God in a real and tangible Book that exists now somewhere on this earth - are the inspired, infallible, inerrant and 100 % true words of God, then I have to totally disagree with brother John MacArthur.  He does not have nor believe in such a Book and he has written several articles blindly and ignorantly criticizing the only true Holy Bible in existence and the Standard by which all others are to be measured - the Authorized King James Holy Bible.
 
Mr. MacArthur has written several articles criticizing the idea that the King James Bible is the pure words of God.  In his own writings he often quotes and uses several textually different and contradictory versions like the NKJV, NASB, NIV or he just makes up his own translation as he goes along.  He disagrees with parts of all Bible versions out there and in a very real way has made his own mind and understanding his “Final Authority”.
 
In this article I would like to look primarily at one of Mr. MacArthur’s articles found on his church home site, and address the issues he brings up.  Here is Mr. MacArthur’s main article criticizing the King James Bible.
 
http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/KJV.HTM
 
In his articles Mr. MacArthur recommends several modern versions including the NKJV (he has his own study bible using the NKJV), the NASB or the NIV, but he actually believes none of them are the complete and infallible words of God.
 
If you listen to some of the things Mr. MacArthur SAYS, he sounds like he actually believes “the Bible” is the inspired and inerrant words of God, but when he is pushed against the wall to actually identify for us where we can get such a Book, he has none to give us.  Instead he blithely recommends several conflicting versions that disagree among themselves by literally THOUSANDS of words, numerous whole verses, and hundreds of different meanings when compared one with another.
 
Mr. MacArthur SAYS -  “Let me just add as a footnote to that that God has also marvelously preserved the Scripture with very few errors. ...the existing Bibles that we have today have not changed at all since then. So God has truly superintended His Word.”
 
Mr. MacArthur also SAYS “In John 10:35 Jesus says the Scripture can\'t be broken. The Bible says it is infallible. That is what it claims. Secondly, it claims to be inerrant. And if infallible speaks of the totality, inerrant speaks of the parts. It is infallible as the old reformers used to say as a rule of faith and practice. It is also inerrant in every several part so that it is not only, watch now, infallible in the truth it conveys, but is inerrant in every word. And that means it is without error.”
 
Now, let’s look a bit more closely at John’s logic and consistency of reasoning, shall we?  On the one hand he tells us that the Scripture has been preserved WITH VERY FEW ERRORS, and in the next breath he tells us IT IS WITHOUT ERROR.  So, which is it John?  “very few errors” or “without error”?  Are you referring to a specific and real Bible when you talk about “the Scripture that cannot be broken”?  Of course not.  You have no such Book.
 
Maybe Mr. MacArthur would like to tell us which of these few examples of hundreds I know about he considers to be among those “very few errors”, and where his Bible “without error” is found among them.
 
The following short list is just a sampling of the divergent and confusing readings found among the contradictory modern bible versions. There are numerous other examples.  Among these “details” are whether Jeremiah 27:1 reads Jehoiakim (Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, NKJV, KJB) or Zedekiah (NIV, NASB); whether 2 Samuel 21:8 reads Michal (Hebrew texts, KJB,NKJV, RV, ASV) or Merab (NIV, NASB), or 70 (NASB, NKJV, RV, ASV, KJB) being sent out by the Lord Jesus in Luke 10:1 or 72 (NIV), or the 7th day in Judges 14:15 (KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV) or the 4th day (NASB, NIV), or God smiting 50,070 men in 1 Samuel 6:19 (KJB, RV, ASV, NASB) or 70 men slain (NIV, RSV),  or “70 men- 50 chief men” (Young’s), or there being 30,000 chariots in 1 Samuel 13:5 (KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV, NASB, ESV) or only 3000 (NIV, &amp; Holman), or 1 Samuel 13:1 reading - ONE/TWO years (NKJV, KJB, Geneva,Judaica Press Tanach), or 40/32 (NASB 1972-77) or 30/42 (NASB 1995, NIV), or _____years and.______and two years (RSV, ESV), or even “32 years old...reigned for 22 years” in the 1989 Revised English Bible!; 2 Samuel 15:7 “forty years” (Hebrew, Geneva, NKJV, NASB, RV) OR “four years” (NIV,RSV, ESV,NET), or whether both 2 Samuel 23:18 and 1 Chronicles 11:20 read THREE (Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, NKJV, NIV, NET, Holman or THIRTY from the Syriac NASB, RSV, ESV), or 2 Samuel 24:13 reading SEVEN years (Hebrew, ASV, NASB, NKJV) or THREE years (LXX, NIV, RSV, ESV)  or whether 1 Kings 5:11 reads 20 measures of pure oil (Hebrew texts, Geneva, KJB, ASV, RV, NASB, NRSV) or 20,000 (RSV, NIV, ESV, NET, LXX and Syriac) or in 2 Chronicles 31:16 we read THREE years old (Hebrew texts, Geneva Bible, Wycliffe, LXX, Syriac, RV, ASV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, NIV, NKJV, Holman, NET) or THIRTY years old (NASB - ft. Hebrew “three”) or where 2 Chronicles 36:9 reads that Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign (Hebrew texts, NASB, NKJV, RV,ASV,KJB, ESV) or he was 18 years old (NIV), or that when God raised the Lord Jesus from the dead it is stated in Acts 13:33 “this day have I begotten thee” (KJB, NASB, NKJV,RV, ESV) or “today I have become your Father” (NIV).

MacArthur’s Criticism of the King James Bible
 
Mr. MacArthur goes on in his main article to point out what he believes are errors in the King James Bible.  Let’s see what he says and then find out if there is any truth or merit to what he states.

He titles this section - “The Biblical Position on The KJV Controversy”

 Mr. MacArthur says: “Let me share with you my own conclusions after studying these issues. Bible versions, such as the New International Version and the New American Standard Bible, have been translated by godly men of demonstrated academic repute from the very best manuscript evidence that is available today. May I add, the manuscript evidence that is now available is far superior to that which was available to the King James Version\'s translators in 1611. I would have no reservation in recommending these versions, yet I myself choose to continue using the Scofield Reference Bible because it is the text with which I am most familiar.”
 
NOTE - It should be obvious to everyone that brother John does not believe that any of these conflicting bibles are the infallible words of God.  He tells us on the one hand that the NASB and NIV are from what he calls “the very best manuscript evidence”, and yet he himself prefers the NKJV, which, if he were to follow his own logic,  would then necessarily have to be based on the poorest manuscript evidence. 
 
Versions like the NASB, NIV omit some 3000 words found in his NKJV in just the New Testament alone, plus reject scores if not hundreds of Hebrew readings, and change the very meanings of hundreds of other verses by the way they have translated them.  How can they all be the infallible words of God?
 
As for his “very best manuscript evidence” maybe Mr. MacArthur is unaware of just what these so called “oldest and best manuscripts” actually say.   Here is where you can see how “the very best” really read.  If these are indeed “the very best” then we are in a world of hurt and are hopelessly adrift concerning what God really said or inspired in His precious words. 
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/oldestandbestmss.htm
 
Mr. MacArthur then goes into his arguments against the King James Bible as being the only true Bible.  He tells us the following:
 
1. “The Old and New Testaments were not originally written in the English language. They were first written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.” 
 
NOTE - Golly, we didn’t know that ;-)
 
2. “We do not have the originals of any of the books of the Bible.”

NOTE - This is about the only true statement I found in Mr. MacArthur’s article.
 
3. “God never promised the perfect preservation of the originals, but He did promise to preserve their content. They are preserved within the body of currently existing manuscripts.”
 
NOTE - Here Mr. MacArthur reveals the true nature of where he thinks God’s words have been preserved.  Not in any single Bible in any language, including the never identified “the Hebrew” or “the Greek”.  No, not in any of them.  They supposedly are “out there somewhere” among 5000 to 6000 remaining scraps, portions and partial books of the remaining manuscripts which contain literally thousands of textual variants that nobody can agree on which ones are correct and which are not.  THAT’S where Mr. MacArthur’s real “bible” is.
 
By the way, God’s true Bible does say that He will preserve His WORDS till heaven and earth pass away; not just the general ideas.  See Psalms 12:6-7, Matthew 24:35 and John 10:35.  The question is, Do we have them in a real Book called the Bible or are they scattered hither and yon out there somewhere “within the body of currently existing manuscripts” as John MacArthur affirms?

 Mr. MacAruthus continues: “4. There are differences among the original language manuscripts that have come down to us in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. This is the chief cause of the problem.
 
5. These textual variations are almost always incidental and do not significantly affect the sense of what Scripture is saying. As a matter of fact, once the easily solved variants are removed, 99.9 percent of what is in our Bible can be confirmed without question.
 
6. It is usually easy to identify the cause behind a textual variant because the Greek New Testament has been preserved in far more existing manuscripts than any other piece of ancient literature. We are faced with, &quot;an embarrassment of riches.&quot;
 
NOTE - Mr. MacArthur repeats the oft spoken  modern version mantra about how our bibles are 99.9% the same, and there is really no substantial differences among them.  This is an outright Falsehood (a.k.a.  A Lie) and easily seen to be so by anybody who would just take the time to compare the various bible versions out there in present day Bible Babelonia.  
 
Here is a partial list of how versions like the NIV, NASB differ from John MacArthurs own NKJV as well and the King James Bible.
 
Are the Bible Versions 99.9% the Same?
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/arebibles995same.htm
 
Let’s look at the remaing points John MacArthur brings up against the King James Bible.
 
I John 5:7-8

Mr. MacArthur says: “Perhaps the biggest error of fact concerns 1 John 5:7-8. You claim that it was a part of the original manuscript and should, therefore, be included in any Bible. Have you really read the textual history of that particular manuscript? Let me give you a summary. The passage is absent from every known Greek manuscript except four, and these four contain the passage of what appears to be a translation from a late translation of the Latin Vulgate. These four manuscripts are dated very, very late. The passage is quoted by none of the Greek fathers, who, if they had known it, would certainly have used it in the trinitarian controversies of the early centuries. The passage is absent from the manuscripts of all ancient versions. It is quoted first in time not in a Bible text but in a Latin treatise about the Bible in the 4th Century A.D.
 
Its inclusion in the TR seems to have come through the pen of Erasmus. When charged by Stunica, Erasmus replied that he had not found any Greek manuscript containing these words, but that if a single Greek manuscript could be found that contained it, he would include it in a future edition.
 
The one manuscript that was later presented to Erasmus in substantiation of the inclusion of that verse has now been identified as a Greek manuscript written in Oxford about 1520 by a Franciscan friar who took the words from the Latin Vulgate. Erasmus then inserted the passage in his third edition of 1522 but indicated in a lengthy footnote his own personal suspicions that the manuscript had been prepared in order to refute him. These are the facts.”
 
NOTE - Uh...Mr. MacArthur.  Those are NOT the FACTS at all, and even Bruce Metzger stopped repeating that lie you just told us about the Erasmus thingy.  
 
I John 5:7-8 “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.  And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.” reads the same in ALL English bibles from Wycliffe 1380, Tyndale 1325, Coverdale 1535, Bishops’ Bible 1568 and the Geneva Bible 1587 to the King James Bible of 1611 and is even in the NKJV Mr. MacAruthur himself prefers, but apparently does not believe.
 
Much more can be seen here in defense of the inspiration and legitimacy of this verse:  http://brandplucked.webs.com/1john57.htm
 
Among these FACTS are the following which directly contradict many of Mr. MacArthurs statements.
 
Here is just a partial list of those who contended for the authenticity of this verse.  Cyprian - 250 AD, Priscillian -385 AD, Jerome 420 AD, Fulgentius, Cassiodorus, Isidore of Seville, Jaqub of Edessa, Thomas Aquinas, John Wycliffe, Desiderus Erasmus, Lopez de Zuniga, John Calvin, Theodore Beza, Cipriano de Valera, John Owen, Francis Turretin, John Wesley, John Gill, Matthew Henry, Andrew Fuller, Thomas F. Middleton, Luis Gaussen, Frederick Nolan, Robert L. Dabney, Thomas Strouse, Floyd Jones, Peter Ruckman, George Ricker Berry, Edward F. Hills, David Otis Fuller, Thomas Holland, Michael Maynard and Donald A. Waite.
 
&quot;For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one&quot; is found in 10 remaining Greek manuscripts, at least 4 Old Latin manuscripts, is quoted or referred to by at least 8 church fathers, is in some ancient versions like the Syriac, Armenian and Slavic versions, in the Waldensian Bibles from 157 AD till the time of the Reformation, is in thousands of Vulgate Latin manuscripts, is in the Spanish Reina Valera used throughout the entire Spanish speaking world today, the Italian Diodati, the Russian, Portuguese, pre and post Lutheran German bibles, and all English versions till 1881.

It is important to note that the Greek Orthodox Church\'s New Testament contains 1 John 5:7 both in the ancient and in the Modern Greek versions.  Either God has been faithful to preserve His pure words with nothing added or He has failed and the scholars of today who do not believe any Bible on this earth is the perfect word of God are right.  You choose which view is more honoring to the living God Who promised that heaven and earth would pass away, but His words would not pass away.”  Matthew 24:35.

More Specific Examples from the Pen of John MacArthur Pastor-Teacher
 
 Mr. MacArthur continues his article saying: “What Is The TR?  One great problem with this whole issue is that the term, &quot;textus receptus&quot; is often misunderstood and misused.”
 
“The Trinitarian Bible Society exists for the purpose of circulating uncorrupted versions of the Word of God (namely KJV). Terrence H. Brown, the TBS secretary, makes this honest admission, &quot;One problem is that many people use the term \'textus receptus\' without defining it, and give the impression that this received text is available somewhere in a single manuscript or printed copy, but this is not the case. No copy, written or printed, was called the \'textus receptus\' until the Elzevirs used this description in the preface to their edition in 1633. It should therefore be understood that the King James Version translators, who published their work in 1611, did not use an edition of the Greek text actually known by this name.&quot;
 
NOTE, strickly speaking, this is true.  However it should be pointed out that what the Elzevir brothers referred to as the Received Text  (the TR or Textus Receptus) was the underlying Greek text found in the King James Bible.  For Mr. MacArthur to continue his article here talking about what “the TR” has instead of what is found in the King James Bible is a fabrication of his own mind.  Nothing was called “the TR” before the text of the King James Bible came on the scene.
 
John MacArthur then continues: “It is very interesting to note that there are about 290 differences between the &quot;textus receptus&quot; and the King James Version. Let me illustrate.”
 
NOTE - Not true,  Mr. MacArthur. Nothing was called “the textus receptus” before the King James Bible.  What John MacArthur is referring to may be a particular Greek text by Stephanus in 1550 or perhaps Erasmus, but those were NOT THE TR.
 
Here are John MacArthurs first five examples. He states:
 
“1. Note in Romans 12:11 where the TR has &quot;serving in season&quot; but KJV, along with all modern versions, has &quot;serving the Lord.&quot;
 
2. In I Thessalonians 2:15, the TR has the pronoun &quot;you&quot; while the KJV, along with all other modern versions, has the pronoun &quot;us.&quot;
 
3. The King James Version in Revelation 11:1 has the reading, &quot;And the angels stood.&quot; The TR, along with all modern versions, does not include this phrase.
 
4. If you read 1 John 2:23 in the KJV, you note that the translators included in italics the phrase, &quot;But he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.&quot; It is omitted in the TR but included as a part of the text in most modern versions.
 
5. Luke 17:36, &quot;Two men shall be in the field; and one shall be taken, the other left&quot; is included in the King James Version but it is omitted in the TR and all other modern versions.”
 
NOTE - John MacArthur is completely wrong on all 5 examples.  The Trinitarian Bible Society’s printed copy of the Textus Receptus contains EVERY ONE OF THESE KJB READINGS in their text.  So does the online Modern Greek Bible used by the Greek Orthodox churches all over the world today.  You can see the Modern Greek version here:  http://unbound.biola.edu/  Mr. MacArthurs’ information is completely false.
 
In addition to this, these early foreign language versions translated before the King James Bible came out in 1611 contain all the same readings as found in the KJB and the TBS Greek Textus Receptus.  Agreeing with the King James Bible in all five of these examples are the Italian Diodati of 1649 and the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras of 1569!
 
Mr. MacArthur then continues his buffoonish attack on the King James Bible with Objection #6.   Here he erroneously states: “Matthew 23:24 is a humorous example of a printing error, not a translation error. The King James Version reads, &quot;Ye blind guides, which strain AT a gnat and swallow a camel.&quot; It\'s obvious to everyone that the word &quot;at&quot; should be &quot;out.&quot;
 
Again, Mr. MacArthurs’ criticism is totally baseless. The only thing “obvious to everyone” here who has actually bothered to look into this commonly raised objection is that Mr. MacArthur has not done his homework but merely copied some anti-King James Bible nonsense pasted from some other Bible Agnostic who didn’t know what he was talking about either.
 
Matthew 23:24’s “strain AT a gnat” is perfectly accurate and is not a printing error at all.  Want proof?  Here it is:
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/mt23strainat1tim29sha.htm
 
Mr. MacArthur then closes out his arguments with points # 7 and # 8.  He says: “7. The problem of 1 John 5:7-8 was discussed in the lengthy letter earlier so we won\'t discuss it here.”
 
(NOTE - Again, John MacArthur is himself guilty of false information and is shown to be a hypocrite for criticizing a verse that is found even in his own MacArthur NKJV Study Bible.  - See 
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/1john57.htm )
 
“8. In Revelation 22:19, both the TR and the King James Version have the phrase, &quot;Book of Life.&quot; That phrase is not found in any Greek manuscript, rather &quot;tree of life&quot; is the only text. Erasmus translated the last six verses from the Latin Vulgate because his Greek manuscript lacked these verses. Just a final note. Even the KJV translators did not claim for their work what modern promoters insist. The original translators at times were uncertain of the correct variant and made marginal notes to indicate other possibilities. In the preface to the original KJV, the editors acknowledged the profit from other versions. Here is what they wrote:
 
&quot;Therefore as S. Augustine saith, that varietie of Translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: so diversitie of signification and sense in the margine, where the text is not so cleare, must needes doe good, yea, is necessary, as we are perswaded.&quot; (End of quotes by Pastor and Teacher John MacAruthur)
 
FINAL NOTES - Twice more Mr. Bible Agnostic John MacArthur is misinformed and found to be criticizing a Bible reading that is found even in the same Bible version he himself prefers and frequently uses.
 
He is wrong about Revelation 22:19’s “book of life” 
- See http://brandplucked.webs.com/rev2219bookoflife.htm
 
And then Mr. MacArthur closes out his criticism of the King James Bible much like fellow Bible Agnostic James White does with a quotation by the King James Bible translators taken completely out of context and misapplied to the entire Bible version issue.
 
The quote taken from St. Augustine and employed by the KJB translators does not refer at all to the entire Bible or even individual verses found in the Bible, but rather to the names of specific animals and plants and how to translate them into English.

Variety of translations

One line from the Preface to the King James Bible is often cited by supporters of modern versions. It has to do with the goal of the KJB translators in making a good translation better. In his tract entitled, Pick a Bible, Any Bible, Mr. Terry Alverson cites Dr. Miles Smith of the KJV translation committee and states, &quot;Obviously Smith and his co-workers did not undertake the task of translating the KJV with the intent that it was to be the only Bible. Quite the contrary. It appears the 1611 KJV translators would be the first to applaud a modern day effort to \'make a good translation better.\' &quot;(p.2).
 
One wonders if the claim that the KJB translators would be the first to applaud a modern day effort is correct in light of their full statement. The context of Dr. Smith\'s citation is given below:
 
Truly, good Christian reader, we never thought from the beginning that we should need to make a new translation, nor yet to make a bad one a good one, (for then the imputation of Sixtus had been true in some sort, that our people had been fed with gall of dragons instead of wine, with whey instead of milk:) but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principle good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath been our endeavour, that our mark.
 
The history of all the &quot;good ones&quot; which predated the KJB shows that they were all based upon the same Greek line of manuscripts; the Traditional Text. Further, it should be noted that the translators said their goal was NOT to make a bad one good, else the accusation from the Pope that the translators were feeding their people with &quot;gall of dragons&quot; might have some basis. Their goal was to make &quot;one principle one&quot; from the good ones which predated the KJB. Clearly, this is not an affirmation to alter the text based on either the Alexandrian or Western line of manuscripts.
 
Likewise, the KJB translators spoke of the need for many translations. Some have used this to justify the use of modern versions based on a differing line of manuscripts. Jame R. White writes, &quot;When the very preface to the KJV says, ‘Variety of Translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures,\' it is obvious that the KJV Only position is proven utterly ahistorical thereby. The position requires the translator to be something its own authors never intended it to be.&quot; (The King James Only Controversy, pp. 76-77).
 
The context of this statement was the use of marginal notes to explain the meaning of some Hebrew and Greek words which either carry several meanings or for rare animals. Please note the full context of the phrase in question:
 
“There be many words in the Scriptures which be never found there but once, (having neither brother nor neighbour, as the Hebrews speak) so that we cannot be holpen by conference of places. Again, there be many rare names of certain birds, beasts, and precious stones etc. concerning which the Hebrews themselves are so divided among themselves for judgement . . .Now in such a case, doth not a margin do well to admonish the reader to seek further, and not to conclude or dogmatize upon this or that peremptorily? For as it is a fault of incredulity, to doubt of those things that are evident, so to determine of such things as the Spirit of God hath left (even in the judgement of the judicious) questionable, can be no less than presumption. Therefore as S. Augustine saith, that variety of translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: so diversity of signification and sense in the margin where the text is not so clear, must needs do good, yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded.&quot;

Obviously the KJB translators were referring to the variety of translations regarding specific names of certain birds, beasts and stones, NOT to the wholesale  omission or addition of thousands of phrases, verses and words to the God inspired texts.
 
The modern version proponents like James White and John MacArthur rip this quote out of context and apply it in an attempt to justify their rejection of the Traditional Greek Text of the Reformation Bibles, and their rejection of many Hebrew texts as well.
 
Mr. John MacArthur pretends he is a Bible believer, but in fact he recommends several contradictory bible versions that differ from each other in thousands of words, contain silly or ludicrous statements, and teach false doctrine in many ways, thus proving themselves to be false witnesses to the Truth of God.
 
Here are some examples of the false doctrines found in these bogus modern bible versions embraced and promoted by men like James White, Arthur Farstaad, Doug Kutilek and John MacArthur -  not one of whom believes there exists now or ever existed in any language the complete, inspired, infallible and 100% true words of God in The Bible.  
 
  http://brandplucked.webs.com/nodoctrinechanged.htm
 
John MacArthur may have some good things to say when it comes to other topics of the Christian faith, but when it comes to the vitally important Doctrine of the Infallibility of Scripture he “is blind, and cannot see afar off.” 2 Peter 1:9
 
“Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.”  Proverbs 14:7
 
“For ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.”  Jeremiah 23:36
 
“Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.  But they said, We will not walk therein.”  Jeremiah 6:16
 
“He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”  Matthew 11:15
 
Will Kinney
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/articles.htm');
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WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF OUR GREATNESS?

It must seem quite strange for people to think about the Christian Church in terms of “greatness”. People may agree that the Early Church had a great impact, that the Medieval Church was powerful or that the Protestant Church was a good influence in English speaking nations.

But today? The Church appears insipid, lacklustre and weak. How can we talk about “greatness” when the Church appears to be in the furthest point away from any kind of greatness, except for great failure?

God told Abraham, “And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing” (Genesis 12:2). If greatness was promised with literal signs and fruits, why should the Church be less today?

The New Testament shows, “The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.” (Matthew 4:16). If that was true at the beginning of the New Testament, why should the Church be any less today?

Jesus shows us where the division between greatness and weakness occurs: “Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:19).

The point is that we have the very words of God to the very jot and tittle in English, and we should obey it.

Australian Church leaders at the time of Federation (1901) appealed “to the logicality and potential of a group of people with a common British heritage uniting to make a powerful Pacific (in all senses) nation ... A people ‘ ... speaking one language, acknowledging one Christian religion, and loyal to one flag’, had a duty, according to the Anglican Bishop of Adelaide, R. Harmer, ‘to become one people (on) the continent where God has placed us.’ Many agreed, including Methodists, Presbyterians and Baptists. National greatness would follow. Australia would become ‘the great power of the southern seas’, the Britain of the South.”

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This [b:01ece6cb26][i:01ece6cb26]may [/i:01ece6cb26][/b:01ece6cb26]be the case but the fact is that those who [i:01ece6cb26][b:01ece6cb26]actively attack[/b:01ece6cb26][/i:01ece6cb26] the pure Bible are of a different spirit and nature. There are many ignorant Christians but there are also those who are wolves or backslidden. &quot;And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?&quot; (Luke 6:46).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1532', 'ed6b90bfca', '1 Joh 5:7,  Vulgate, Jerome\'s Prologue to Canonical Epistles', '[color=darkblue:ed6b90bfca]Hi Folks,

Most of these references are excellent and correct, and more can be added.  I would like to make a few recommendations for adjustment.

By far the most important is this one:[/color:ed6b90bfca]
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800 AD - Jerome\'s Vulgate has it [It was not in Jerome\'s original Vulgate, but was brought in about 800 AD from good Old Latin manuscripts.] . [/color:ed6b90bfca]
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This (&quot;not in Jerome\'s original Vulgate&quot;) is an assertion against a lot of evidence.  

First .. the vast majority of Vulgate mss have the heavenly witnesses, 90% and more, it is the early century (mostly c. 9-11) mss that are mixed.  There are only a few extant Vulgate mss before the 9th century so broad assertions before 800 AD can only be made in the absence of sufficient evidence.  Even though the quote above is from KJB defenders, they are following dubious &quot;standard&quot; scholarship.

Second .. early church writers like Fulgentius, Cassiodorus and Isidore (Testimonia Divinae Scripturae) and other references like the Council of Carthage with hundreds of Bishops can also be strong corroborative evidence of the Vulgate text of their time.  All much closer to the original Vulgate than the 800 AD above.  Note that these early church writers were often Greek fluent as well.

The earliest Vulgate manuscript we have extant is about 545 AD, Fuldensis (first published in the 1800s). Amiatinus is also considered early and is favored in textcrit analysis, placed by some around Fuldensis yet placed by Sanday about 700 AD. These two mss lack the heavenly witnesses in the text. In the 700s  Wizanburgensis include the verse. Cavensis and Ulmensis and Sangellensis with the verse are either 700s or 800s.  If there are other Vulgate witnesses on either side that may be before 800 AD, I would like to know of them.

(Note: groupings of manuscripts as Vulgate or Old Latin is not always a clear call, and dates given often vary by a century, and at times the information is difficult with more than one name or an unclear textual sitaution ... Fuldensis however is a definite date.)

However:[b:ed6b90bfca] Codex Fuldensis includes the Prologue to the Canonical Epistles which directly chastises unfaithful translators who have omitted the verse !  [/b:ed6b90bfca]This is a fascinating situation, ill-addressed in scholastics.  

This Prologue is a first-person letter from Jerome to Eustochium and was [b:ed6b90bfca]never questioned as Jerome\'s writing until about 150 years into the heavenly witnesses debate[/b:ed6b90bfca].   This is such a powerful evidence to heavenly witnesses authenticity (on the same level as Cyprian and the Council of Carthage) that both Erasmus and Newton had ended up trying to make Jerome the[i:ed6b90bfca] rogue[/i:ed6b90bfca] who had inserted the verse originally !  

Thus, almost by necessity, the opponents came up with a weak attempt to manufacture the claim that this Prologue was a late forgery, only written and added to the Vulgate around 800 AD.  

There are many huge difficulties with this theory, and it was developed .. before Codex Fuldensis was discovered .. refuting the late date, which is an instrumental part of the forgery claim ! 

Thus when Fuldensis was discovered, the theory, weak originally and well-countered by Dorhout and others even without Fuldensis,  really should have been simply discarded.  Sort of like a Lucian recension. 

Codex Fuldensis is a very tight and official type of Codex enterprise, from within about a century of the death of Jerome.  At that time it would have been almost impossible for a forger to operate to create and foist a new epistle in a knowledgeable environment.  There are also huge problems of supposed forger motive and identity and acceptance and knowledge of historicity (the Epistle matches Jerome very well, even on technical issues like the order of the Gospels). 

And in fact, it is also obvious that the Prologue had been passed down to Codex Fuldensis from even earlier days, since the 1 John text and Prologue contradict !  The faithful copyists simply included both, either missing the contradiction or allowing the reader to wash it out. Not wanting to correct either one at the expense of changing the text.

And with the early Epistle talking about translators who deliberately omit the verse - this clearly helps explain its absence in some early Vulgate manuscripts as well as Greek.  The issue is a bit analogous to the clear words of Augustine concerned with deliberate omissions of the Periocope Adultera.  Clearly once you see an early writer make such a clear statement you should not be surprised that many manuscripts at his time and after omit the verse + clause (heavenly witnesses) or section (Pericope Adultera).  And few early writers have as much push-pizazz as Augustine and Jerome !

Shalom,
Steven 

PS. 
There are many references that could be added.  
One might be better removed.

Wianburgensis is a reference to a Latin manuscript (Wizanburgensis) that, due to a complicated history in the scholarship, was incorrectly referenced in many places as Greek (thus showing up on lists of evidences). It is one of many Old Latin and Vulgate manuscripts from the early centuries with the heavenly witnesses.

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More on the Vulgate

Raymond Brown ( Epistles of John in the Anchor Bible Commentary) is far more aware of the Latin evidences above than most writers and allows the heavenly witnesses all the away back to the 5th century, virtually on top of Jerome. His comments are a bit complex and difficult (talking about coming in from the margin and moving regionally) but please note this:
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&quot;If we try to go back beyond the evidence of our extant MSS.[b:ed6b90bfca] it is not clear that The Comma was included in the text of I John when St. Pereginus edited the Vulgate in Spain in the fifth century[/b:ed6b90bfca]. After a stage when the Comma was written in the margin, it was brought into the Latin text in or before the time of Isidore of Seville (early seventh century). &quot; [/color:ed6b90bfca]
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However, once you allow the verse that far back-- Brown is saying that the verse could well have been in the 5th century Vulgate of Pereginus -- Occam tells you to consider stop fighting the Prologue as a very difficult &quot;forgery&quot; -- not from Jerome -- and allow for initial inclusion.  Peregrinus is about 450 AD and there is no definite revision of his of the Vulgate.

Then one would simply accept the truth that the Prologue is exactly as written and Jerome himself included the verse, which was then omitted by some copyists (the very concern of Jerome) even between 400 AD and 545 AD (Fuldensis).

Remember the modern scholars often claim Peter did not write 2 Peter, Paul did not writer the Pastorals, etc. so such claims of forgery on weak evidence, for convenience, are not surprising [/color:ed6b90bfca]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1533', '771b7bbf5f', 'Zarah / Zerah', 'Genesis 38:30 has had &quot;Zarah&quot; from 1611 to the PCE.

Genesis 46:12 has had &quot;Zerah&quot; from 1611 to 1769. Various editions after 1769 have had &quot;Zerah&quot;, while it is mainly the Oxford Edition which has retained &quot;Zarah&quot; at this place.

Sometimes, some Collins editions have &quot;Zarah&quot; at Gen. 46:12 because this is the 1769-Oxford rendering. While the PCE and other editions like the London Edition have &quot;Zerah&quot;. The Collins was following the PCE, but probably along the line somewhere, someone using a different edition thought they found a mistake in the Collins, and it was changed. (It is possible to find some Collins editions following the PCE and some not.) However, recent Collins editions are in line with the PCE, and also have the correct &quot;Zerah&quot; at Gen. 46:12.

The variation of spelling between what might be the same person can be found in many examples in the Bible. In the NT we have &quot;Prisca&quot; and &quot;Priscilla&quot;, &quot;Timotheus&quot; and &quot;Timothy&quot;, &quot;Juda&quot; and &quot;Judah&quot;, &quot;Sara&quot; and &quot;Sarah&quot;. In the OT we have &quot;Nebuchadrezzar&quot; and &quot;Nebuchadnezzar&quot;, Michaiah” and “Micah”, “Gaba” and “Geba”, etc.

The reasons for this include the source/language of the passage, factors due to changing a person\'s name e.g. Abram to Abraham or Saul to Paul.

Here is what I have stated in the draft of my book:

The Pure Cambridge Edition follows the 1611 Edition in Genesis 46:12, but in Genesis 38:30, the same person is spelt with the “a” spelling. In this case, the other editions seem to be internally consistent in Genesis when they use the “a” spelling for both occurrences. However, there are several factors to consider. Most importantly being that the vowel change was not introduced until 1630, and probably unique to that edition, for the other editions are following the 1769, which reintroduced that spelling, against the majority of editions and all revisions to that time. The same name given to other persons in the Old Testament invariably follows the “e” spelling, and every time Zerah son of Judah is mentioned outside of Genesis, he always has the “e” spelling (e.g. 1 Chronicles 2:4, 6). In the New Testament, in Matthew 1:3, the spelling from the Greek is “Zara”. Thus, in the Pure Cambridge Edition, the man has his name spelt both ways in close proximity in Genesis, which complements the New Testament spelling. It is also a balance to find that the name is spelt once in each testament with an “a” in the Pure Cambridge Edition.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1534', '067977c853', 'What is faith?', '&quot;Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.&quot; (Luke 8:18)

The Lord gave us this instruction for a very good reason. If we consistently take heed of unbelieving words and other corrupt communication we have to work so much harder in our faith walk to combat these bad seeds that have been planted in our minds. So, whereever possible, surround yourself with like-minded people who will build you up in your faith and speak the Word to you in faith. If you have to be around people that speak unbelief regularly, it is beneficial to confess and believe that you are hid from the scourge of the tongue (Job 5:21) and maintain your position of faith in a loving way toward others.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1535', 'af8561125b', 'The Protector, 7 February 2010', '[img:af8561125b]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:af8561125b]

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WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF OUR GREATNESS — PART 2?

“The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.” (Psalm 23:1). This is a well known verse, sung in hymns and doubtlessly fitting material for grave headstones. But what does it mean? If God’s way is first in our life, then God will supply for us.

When a nation does not look to God, it is very dangerous. “The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.” (Psalm 9:17).

The Lord shows a very important principle at work for those who follow Him: “Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.” (Psalm 23:5).

Where is this provision of God? It cannot be in heaven, because it is “in the presence of mine enemies”. It must be now, in this lifetime. God’s abounding supply is for those who follow Him.

Surely, if a nation consists of people who are following God, that nation would be in a good position. The aim of the Christian Church is ultimately to have whole nations following godliness.

The striking thing is that in the Roman times, when there were very primitive means of communication and transportation, whole nations were converted. Yet in the age of increasing knowledge, there are only a relative few believers. This entire trend must be reversed. The reason why God brings about great blessing to believers is so that they can be great witnesses for Him name and His salvation.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1536', '789887b217', '', 'There is a small Independent Baptist Church close to my house.
I asked the pastor if they were going to celebrate the King James Bible.
He told me he is looking into doing a seminar along with some celebration.
We will get together, Lord willing to make plans. Hopefully, others will join in.
I am pleased to see many take the responsibility upon themselves for this endeavor.

PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1537', '66ac4109f3', '', 'I have a most difficult time accepting that those that attack the word of God on a daily basis as &quot;saved&quot;.
It is mind boggling to see a supposed Christian fight against the very words of God.

PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1538', '335a717e97', 'Is sola scriptura is Biblical?', 'Claiming that the Bible is the only complete, inspired, innerrant and infallible authority on the Christian faith places the Bible, i.e., something that has been written, compiled, copied and translated with human input, over God because it prevents God from having any direct face-to-face communication with mankind.  

This does not mean that the Bible isn’t inspired in its original form or in copies and translations thereof; God has the power to overcome and compensate for mankind’s sinful limitations and thus produce a complete, inspired, infallible and inerrant record of His Word and insure that people who are faithful to Him can understand it.  But human beings cannot dictate to God by telling Him that He must vest all of His power and authority in that record.  Nobody who puts restrictions on God can accept God because their starting premise is that God cannot be supreme, omnipotent, omniscient or omnipresent because He is subject to the dictates of human beings.

If the Bible is the only means by which man can experience God, any man that rejects the Bible or has an erroneous knowledge of it cannot be corrected by God.

If you insist that the Bible explains everything necessar for salvation, you have to address the issue of what happens when people don’t have access to the Bible.  We are saved by faith in the divinity, sinlessness, atoning death and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God.  The Bible must be secondary to faith since people who do not have access to the Bible can still have faith.  And it takes faith for someone to believe that something that cannot be proven about the Bible as true. 

The cliam that the Bible explains everythin necessry to attain holiness is waylaid by all of the “Bible believing” church congregations that are full of adultery and lying and thievery and child molestation, et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum (at that’s just the Baptists).

And at the same time many of these Bible believing congregations nullify their own [i:335a717e97]sola scriptura[/i:335a717e97] by not following the Bible’s example of Acts 15 where New Testament congregations submitted to the authority of Paul, the Apostles and the Elders in Jerusalem, i.e., a church-wide hiercharchy, to set the standards for Christian doctrine and behavior.  The Bible clearly indicates that church congregations are not independent of each other and even if their leaders come from within their leaders’ authority, i.e., their ordination, comes from the entire church (represented by Paul, the Apostles and their designees and successors).

Furthermore, people that accept [i:335a717e97]sola scriptura[/i:335a717e97] deny the ongoing role of the Holy Ghost.  Scripture is of no use to anyone who refuses to turn their life over to God and accept His lead through the Holy Ghost.  Holiness comes from God; Scripture is merely a conduit.

The Bible itself states that there are other sources of revelation about the nature and power of God apart from the Bible: Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.  The Bible clearly says that we can consult God’s very creation to learn about Him.  

The verbal inspiration of the Bible that is central to [i:335a717e97]sola scriptura[/i:335a717e97] is easily rejected.  The Bible never says that everything in it was verbally inspired; very few passages in the Bible begin with God telling someone to write down what God is about to say to them.  The Bible, in its entirity, is lacking in too many details and too inconsistent in the details it does give to be entirely inspired in the way that [i:335a717e97]sola scriptura[/i:335a717e97] requires it to be.

Furthermore, contrary to what [i:335a717e97]sola scriptura[/i:335a717e97] requires, the Bible itself is dependent on human action and church authority.  What the Bible is, what it contains and what its purpose is was never so obvious as to make human input and church authority unnecessary.  No where in the Bible does the Bible say exactly what books it contians and what books it does not contain.  It took some human, lead by the Holy Ghost, to decide and tell us what is supposed to be in the Bible.

The Bible itself says that it is the product of authority outside of itself:

II Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

II Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

Most NT Church congregations received the Gospel through the Church’s oral tradition- not through the written Bible. 

[i:335a717e97]Sola scriptura[/i:335a717e97] rejects the idea that you need specialized training, education or knowledge to understand the Bible because the Bible is the final authority unto itself and thus it is self-interpreting.  But the Bible itself says that God gives us prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers to perfect the saints, do the work of the ministry and edify of the body of Christ (Ephesians 4:11-12).  If everyone can understand the Bible on their own, why are prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers necessary?

Declaring that the Bible is self-interpreting nullifies [i:335a717e97]sola scriptura[/i:335a717e97].  Setting up parameters by which the Bible can be interpreted is in itself an act of interpretation- so [i:335a717e97]sola scriptura[/i:335a717e97] is set on a foundation that goes outside of Scripture.

Also, if the Bible is self-interpreting, then there is no mechanism by which someone who has a false interpretation can be corrected.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1539', 'df7d2a3f7b', 'The Biblical Answer', '1. The Scripture contains everything which is necessary for salvation. Those who do not know all the Scripture, yet keep the law, do so because of the conscience. The conscience is bearing witness to what is in the Scripture. Men are still judged by the Word. &quot;For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.&quot; (Romans 2:14-16).

2. The Word of God is elevated and exalted above God\'s very name. &quot;I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.&quot; (Ps. 138:2).

3. The Word of God is glorified and praised by the people of God. &quot;In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me. ... In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word.&quot; (Ps. 56:4, 10).  &quot;And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.&quot; (Acts 13:48). &quot;Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:&quot; (2 Thess. 3:1).

4. The Word is given by God, not to be neglected or demoted. &quot;The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.&quot; (Ps 68:11). &quot;I have given them thy word&quot; (John 17:14a).

5. The Word is needful before belief in Christ. &quot;In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,&quot; (Eph. 1:13).

6. The Word is prerequisite to faith. &quot;So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.&quot; (Rom. 10:17).

7. The hierarchy of bishops, etc. is based upon Scripture, not independent to it. &quot;For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.&quot; (Acts 1:20).

8. The Holy Ghost confirms and works with Scripture. &quot;And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.&quot; (Mark 16:20).

9. The Word requires study and development in it, by becoming learned. &quot;Make me to understand the way of thy precepts: so shall I talk of thy wondrous works.&quot; (Ps. 119:27). &quot;To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.&quot; (Prov. 1:6). &quot;And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.&quot; (2 Tim. 3:15). &quot;Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.&quot; (2 Tim. 2:15).

10. It is the seed of Scripture, planted in our hearts, that brings forth fruit. It is the foundation of all Christian activity. &quot;For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth&quot; (Col. 1:5, 6).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1540', '1134a0b104', 'Correct.', 'Bibleprotector is correct. We must have a biblical view about the written Word of God. Anything else is deficient.

[quote:1134a0b104]The cliam that the Bible explains everythin necessry to attain holiness is waylaid by all of the “Bible believing” church congregations that are full of adultery and lying and thievery and child molestation, et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum (at that’s just the Baptists).[/quote:1134a0b104]

This is a terrible generalisation and does not address the power of the Bible to change people (eg. see Hebrews 4:12). In fact, it sounds like the type of justification I\'ve heard from people who don\'t go to any church but want to convince people that they are still Christian and holy. This of course is rebelling against many Scriptures (eg. &quot;Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.&quot; (Hebrews 10:25)).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1541', 'db592d1534', 'Hell', 'I am encouraged by your stand for the purity of the King James Bible as the true Word of God, recently I have been reading several criticisms of the general usage of the word Hell in the king James and I was wondering if you could address this matter please');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1542', '916223230e', 'A good Church', 'Can you recommend a faithful church group around the southside of Brisbane?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1543', '6f8acf6d2f', '', 'The KJB is the Word of God in English. &quot;Hell&quot; is an English word. Therefore, the English Bible uses the word &quot;Hell&quot;.

There are some who have all kinds of unscriptural views of the so-called &quot;underworld&quot;, but when we allow Scripture to dictate our doctrine, we will not be confused or mistaken.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1544', '8df139b62b', 'The Protector, 14 February 2010', '[img:8df139b62b]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:8df139b62b]

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WELCOME! [i:8df139b62b]The Protector[/i:8df139b62b] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:8df139b62b][color=darkblue:8df139b62b]EDITORIAL[/color:8df139b62b][/size:8df139b62b]

THE DISCERNING SAINTS

As the Church goes forward, the saints must come into a time of discernment.

We are all aware of prophecies of apostasy. This means that evil men with evil doctrines would abound in the last days. We have already seen plenty of it.

We might read a passage like, “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.” (2 Timothy 3:13). What we have to be clear on is that the Church is not made up of evil men, nor are true Christians supposed to be deceived.

The way people look at it, they think that the whole of the Church is on the verge of extinction, and that Jesus might be coming back tomorrow. That tends to be a weak view, and shows ignorance of Bible prophecy.

Quite a number of things must occur before the return of Christ, including the triumph of the Church in the endeavour of world missions.

“Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?” (Luke 18:8b). The answer is clear: Jesus will not find faith in the world, but he will find it in great abundance in the Church which is aware. “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep\'s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” (Matt. 7:15).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1545', '71c489f309', 'God is faithful', 'Knowing that God is faithful can give great encouragement when you are standing in faith and waiting to see the manifestation of what it is you are believing God for. 

Because He is faithful, and fulfils His Word, you can expect to see the result. Don\'t give way to temptation to doubt God, because as the Word says  &quot;...we walk by faith, not by sight...&quot; (2 Corinthians 5:7). God\'s blessing will be manifested as we hold on steadfastly to His promises and rest in the fact that He is faithful.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1546', '067227ea14', 'Recommend.', 'Hi,

We do not personally know of churches in this area. However, on our recommendation, we would say that the best type would be one that is King James Bible based, Pentecostal, and preaches the Bible rather than men\'s theories or stories.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1547', 'ccd98e0945', 'Hell', 'Here are notes from a sermon I preached. Modern versions substantially water down the important doctrine of Hell. If you like we can send you copies of the sermons. Let the moderator know.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
 &quot;What is Hell like?&quot; ©  by Craig Savige

	Also listen to “Is Hell a real place?”, “Does the Devil rule in Hell?” and “Does the soul sleep after death?”

1.	God’s wrath and fire are connected.

	Deut.32:22	&quot;a fire is kindled in mine anger&quot;

	Earth scientists tell us today that the further we go towards the centre of the Earth, the hotter it gets. (See Ezek.1:17; Ps. 55:15). The Bible talks about “down into hell”, “deeper than hell”, “the lowest hell” “down quick into hell” - never does it talk about Hell being upwards.

	2 Pet. 3:7,9-12	“reserved unto fire against the day of judgment”       

	Rev. 17:16,17	“burn her with fire”
	There are many other references, such as Sodom and Gomorrha, the judgment against the prophets of Baal etc.

	Jude 7		“suffering the vengeance of eternal fire”

2.	Hell is a hot tormenting place where there is the wrath of God poured out against sin.

	John 3:3,16-19,36	“men loved darkness”

	Rev. 14:10,11	“the smoke of their torment”

	2 Thess. 1:7-9	“punished with everlasting destruction”
	Their purpose to glorify God will be destroyed but they themselves will still exist (compare with smashed light bulb).

3.	Hell is a place populated by the wicked (i.e. all who have rejected God).

	Ps. 9:17		“The wicked shall be turned into hell”

	Luke 16:19-31	“in hell ... being in torments”

	Mark 9:43-49	“their worm dieth not”
	The wicked are conscious.');
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WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF OUR GREATNESS? — PART 4

It is no mistake that the Bible has been turned into the English language, but for the evangelisation of the world.

ONE. This means that the English language has been prepared of God so that it can communicate God’s Word.
TWO. And it means that English being made global, the English Bible can be used to bring the Gospel perfectly to the world.

How was the English language prepared? Many words have come into English, so that the Word of God can be communicated accurately. This means using a range of words which might seem unusual today. It also includes some words which were invented for the Bible by William Tyndale, who found that he had to create the English words “scapegoat”, “passover” and “atonement”, because no such words existed in English to accurately portray these meanings.

“For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.” (Isaiah 28:11).

Some people have the mistaken idea that the Bible does not and cannot really exist in English. They think that words like “Hosanna”, “Abba” or “Maranatha” are not really English words. But they are. This is because the English language has had to adopt other words, so that it now has these words in English. If you look in the dictionary, you will find that these words have English meanings. The definitions are in English, because these are now genuine English words.

It is important to see that God can and will use English in world evangelisation. The Gospel can successfully be preached and taught in English to others, and be used to fulfil this promise:

“But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith” (Romans 16:26).

Why would we think that the original languages must somehow be greater than English, when the nations do not understand the original languages, but English?

Why would we use imperfect foreign translations when we can use the English one we know is perfect?

To somehow prohibit the use of English, or to deny the superiority of the English Bible, is really an argument against God’s manifestation of truth to the highest degree.

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Here is what I intend to share:

My ideal or dream Bible would be for Allan to take the Cambridge 83 large print and make the following modifications:

- rebind with highland goatskin leather
- keep the Epistle Dedicatory
- add the &quot;The Translators to the Reader&quot;
- use the text rendering known as the &quot;Pure Cambridge Edition&quot;
- text only, no center references
- black letter, no &quot;Words of Christ in Red&quot;
- keep the two silk ribbon markers (add two more if you wish)

I own a Pitt-Minion (PM1) which unfortunately is no longer available. I also bought a Cambridge 83 from Allan\'s and each has the &quot;Pure Cambridge Edition&quot; text renderings. Each has the Epistle Dedicatory but sadly neither has the &quot;Translators to the Reader.&quot; The Pitt-Minion has the wonderful goatskin leather.

Until Matthew is able to secure the finances to produce a PCE other than what he is presently, here is our chance to perhaps influence Allan\'s towards to goal of producing more PCEs now that they have been granted the Queen\'s Royal Licence under Letters Patent to publish the Authorized King James Version Bible.

I hope you\'ll all join me in sharing our thoughts about more PCEs with Nicholas via his blog.

Harley');
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1551', 'd84ba7d034', 'Do we need old manuscripts or Greek to know God\'s Word?', 'Question 1. If we need to have a sound understanding and a faithful manuscript [or better, witness,] tradition, how can we do this without having a manuscript-centric view?

We have a Scripture first and a received tradition providential view. The Word of God is not limited to 10 or 100 or 1000 manuscript copies. God\'s Word is not limited to the Greek.

The men up to 1611 laboured to ensure that the English was correct. Since that time there has been checking. But now, we true believers are confident, that we do not to yet trawl the Greek or look at umpteen translations. No, it is done, it is finished.

We do not have a manuscript-centric or Hebraio-Graecian-centric view of the truth, primacy or authority of Scripture. We do not need to know about how scientifically plausible our Bible textual tradition is today in order to believe. No, what we need is faith in God\'s Word, faith in God\'s presence and faith in God\'s provision. No one got born again by bibliographing manuscripts. The Gospel is not textual criticism.

And yet, the whole Christian world, including Catholics, apostates and heretics, along with every kind of decent believing Protestant, Puritan or Born Again believer, is supposed to be in subject to a handful of higher critics, scholars and university researchers who are apparently able to dictate to us what is or is not most likely the Word of God. Such a view strikes at the very roots of the Reformation. It takes the power of owning and believing the Scripture itself out of the hands and hearts of the common Christian.

Question 2. How do we determine the truth of Scripture without having a manuscript-centric view?

Scripture is itself its own final authority. We start with what we have at hand on the true foundation that the all-powerful God has deigned to communicate to us today. We start with the Word of God in the present. This is the Scripture, which is given in English, and which us self authenticating in the King James Bible. If God has given Scripture, and we know it, it follows that how it got hear must be in line with its present manifestation. If it says it is true now, it must have been inspired just like it claims. We use history to confirm this also.

Thus, we do not begin by asking silly questions like, “what do we think, from our oldest copies, the original pen-men wrote”, but we demand that it is consistent with the nature of Scripture that God’s Word should be present, and therefore expect that the God who gave Scripture originally also ensured it would not be lost in history.

For a case study, consider 1 John 5:7. Those who a Greek manuscript-centric view will be inclined to reject the Comma. Those who see the entire tradition of Scripture would be open to it, considering the vast Latin witness. However, the truth of Scripture does not merely rest upon whether or not old copies or Church Fathers or whatever attested to it. It is not a debate whether or not 1 John 5:7 belongs in the Bible. The fact that it has been provided, that God’s Church has by a godly tradition kept it, and that most importantly we have, own, posses and defend it today, is significant to show the authenticity of such words.

The problem with the manuscript-centric view is that we only have limited information about the past, and therefore could never perfectly determine the true readings of Scripture in every place. Whereas, a sound understanding and a faithful witness tradition has brought about what we see and hear today as “the Scripture”, a faithful transporting from ancient times till now, an exact text gathered, and an accurate translation.

Question 3. Does the truth of scripture lie in a particular Bible translation?

The truth of Scripture is in all copies, except of course, many copies may have some or other accidental corruption in them, or worse, deliberate corruption. Thus, there is not extant in any place a perfect text of the entire Scripture of either Testament in their respective original languages. We have many versions and translations, but none except one can be said to be exactly accurate. Of course, they are called “Bible”, “Scripture”, “the Word” and are sufficiently so, but when it comes down to textual variants, translation mistakes, typographical errors, etc. not one is going to be the perfect Word of God in finite exemplar form.

Considering that there is no perfect text in the original languages in any single manuscript or printed edition, and considering that the original languages are largely unknown, and are disputed in places as to meaning by the most learned, it follows that there is no final standard there.

Yet, the world is learning English, we have an English Bible which, when examined to the detail, shows itself to be true. Even the particular language of the King James Bible is so accurate when examined minutely.

But most importantly, Bible prophecy itself points to perfect Bible (e.g. Isaiah 34:16), and points to it not being in the original languages (see Isaiah 28:11, Zephaniah 3:9 and Romans 16:26), but another tongue, a pure Bible language. These verses, others, historical facts, and all the present signals of providence indicate that the King James Bible is the perfect Word of God for all.

Thus, ultimately, the truth of Scripture is being given completely accurately, perfectly and wholly in the King James Bible.

Question 4. If so, what is that translation, and how do you know it has a faithful manuscript tradition?

The King James Bible is that one perfect translation, and its underlying witness tradition is authentic, as is borne out by study of both its internal constancy, and its external manifestation in line with the nature of God.

We do not have to catalogue all the Hebrew or Greek or Latin sources today to “prove” the authenticity of the King James Bible. We do not have to scour all the printings of the English Bibles from 1525 to 1602 in order to prove how fitting and in line with the providential continuum the King James Bible was.

And why? Because many learned men from 1611 to circa the year 2000 have winnowed and witnessed, announced and pronounced, discoursed and dispersed, that the King James Bible has come from the correct underlying tradition, and that the witnesses for it are authentic.

In fact, that is why we do not have to learn Hebrew or Greek today, or think that this will aid in our theological studies, foreign witnessing endeavours or any other Christian work: there is ample witness to the truth of the King James Bible, both internally and externally, that we may now safely argue and study from an English-onlyist view, which argues that:
I. God has one law.
II. God’s law is now in English.
III. Man must obey God’s law.
IV. The governance of man must be subject to God’s law.
V. A commonwealth subject to God’s law will therefore have the greatest blessing by God.
VI. The English-speaking Christians in such a commonwealth will be instrumental in furthering good works in the Earth above and beyond all historical examples.
VII. Kindreds, tribes, peoples and nations will be converted by the preaching of the King James Bible on an unprecedented level before the return of Christ.

The focus therefore is on upholding what has been received and attested to as a coming out of the past, not an emphasis and focus on mere “manuscript studies”.

Question 5. Did the truth of scripture lie in the Bibles from Wycliffe, Tyndale, the Bishop\'s Bible, the Great Bible, the Geneva Bible, for instance?

These were sufficiently true, but none was perfectly word-for-word accurate in every last particular. Psalm 12 speaks of a refining process. Clearly, the Reformation Bibles from Tyndale to the KJB have come to their conclusion: something which is very pure.

Question 6. How do you know?

Since God has supplied us in the present with His Word (the King James Bible), knowledge (our study, previous study, tradition), we are in a blessed and able position to be able to discern the truth of the King James Bible.

There is an advance of knowledge, a multiplying of it, so “to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles” (Col. 1:25b–27a). Our English Bible is key in effectively and powerfully revealing Christ, the doctrine of Christ, the Gospel of Christ, by the Church in the last days.');
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Question 1. Did the KJB translators start from the Hebrew and Greek MSS that they knew about?

The KJB translators held that the current English Versions were the Word of God. They certainly used the Bishops’ and the Geneva on Sundays at Church. Therefore, it is easy to show that they did not have a manuscript-centric view, as though the Word of God was only really in the original languages, and that God had somehow failed the western world.

The manuscript-centric view makes a false assumption that if the KJB men were limited to say 100 manuscripts, that their work could not be as good as if they had access to 1000. The false assumption is that the Word of God cannot be known without all information. And yet, many Christians may have heard or used just a few Bibles, e.g. the Bible at their parish Church, and they did not count have merely one copy as keeping them from having the Word of God.

The problem with the manuscript-centric view is that it tries to turn God’s work into a carnal, natural approach which does not require God’s existence. It all falls to the endeavours of man making extensive studies and discoveries in whatever manuscript copies are left to hopefully gain as best as possible knowledge of what God’s words actual were to begin with. Notice, in this, a subtle change from God’s Word being present to looking to God’s Word as authentically existing only once, in autographs, which are lost. Moreover, all processes for trying to produce the Word of God from the manuscript-centric view are doomed to never quite getting it right. One day, they hope, when Christ returns, we will know, but until then, we are apparently stuck with imperfection and no firm resolution as to what God’s Word actually is. What a poor, weak and beggarly state of affairs.

Now, it is a fact that the KJB men did translate from the Hebrew and Greek they knew about, but this was more than sufficient (even at places where there are also marginal renderings), along with their holistic view of other sources and witnesses, to show and reveal all aspects of what the Word of God was, and how it should be in English.

Question 2. How do you know that the KJB translation is the final translation, when thousands more source MSS have been discovered since 1611?

The King James Bible is final because the Word of God was present in 1610, meaning that no more of the Word of God would be revealed in 1612 and on. If the King James Bible was not the final text and final translation in 1611, and certainly no candidates from before that time can be produced to fit in this category, and as yet none afterward, then it follows that the modernistic idea believes: a. that God has not supplied His Word fully to this day, and b. that there cannot be any finality as to what the Word of God actually is to every last jot or to the very sense.

To argue against any finality is to distrust and attack the doctrine of Scripture which speaks variously of God’s Word as true, identifying it as entity, and passages which show that there are finite words.

Question 3. Why put your faith in the KJB rather than those that came before and after the KJB?

English versions and translations before 1611 reveal an overall refining process, going toward the final mark. English versions and translations since 1611 show a widening or departing from the mark.

When the external factors are considered, the King James Bible is vindicated by the signals of providence. When the internal factors are considered, the King James Bible reveals itself as self-authenticating, accurate in its words, marvellously structured, melodious, fitting, full and in every whit a product of the divine.

Question 4. Did the KJB translators take away the Geneva Bible from the people and give them the KJB translation?

No, they did not “take away the Geneva”, though they did give them the KJB.

Question 5. What do you mean by self authenticating?

There are no errors in the KJB, and when its text and translation are examined, they given infallibly the Word of God in English. Every word order is correct, every word is accurate, every placement of the punctuation is found, in the standard edition, to be precise.

Question 6. How is the KJB able to be self authenticating, and none of the other translations?

While the Word of God authenticates itself in sufficient forms, the KJB manifests that it is precisely the very words and sense of Scripture in every place to the greatest detail. This may not be said of a translation which is in some places inaccurate, or a version which has textual variations in it.

Question 7. How do you know that the KJB is scripture and none of the other translations?

Other translations are Scripture. They are sufficient, but they contain textual, translational and presentational variations. This is easily understood if you consider the variations between Greek manuscripts, for example. There is no perfect Biblical Greek New Testament extant.

Question 8. How do you use history to confirm the authenticity of the KJB?

The Protestant view is to take received tradition, and to study comparing Scripture with Scripture. By all these means, when external factors are considered, they are most favourable to the manifestation of the King James Bible, and indicate its soundness.

Question 9. Why is it silly to ask what the original authors wrote, when they were describing their own experiences?

It is silly to put the inspired autographs on a mere human level. The Scripture was given by inspiration of God, not the invention of ancient Hebrews and primitive Christians.

The wise course is to believe that what we are reading in the Bible today is what God caused to be written there, and that God has not failed to get that through time into our language, so that we possess God’s Word even now.

Thus, we are not trying to go back to look at what Moses or whoever might have written, or might have meant in some sort of subjective hermeneutic, but we expect that the ever-present Spirit of truth is at work, making plain today what Moses wrote. In other words, God’s Word is not hidden, lost or locked back in history.

Question 10. Did God originally gave Scripture to the original authors, not to the KJB translation committees?

This grossly misunderstands the provision of God. God has given us today His Word. “The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.” (Psalm 68:11). It is not merely that God gave the autographs by inspiration of the pen men writing what God in eternity willed to be revealed, but God intended and has accomplished to deliver these words, and fully, to us today. In other words, God has used providential preservation to ensure His Word would endure and to keep it from being corrupted. Though many copies may have signs of corruption or imperfection, God’s Word is incorrupt, and He has not failed to have His Word gathered together utterly for the end of the world.

Question 11. So why was it necessary to forge a MS in the 16th. century to convince Erasmus that it belonged in the Bible?

Scripture is not based on such a low view as merely Erasmus’ opinion, nor on the opinions of those who make the unsubstantiated claim that a Greek manuscript was “forged” to include 1 John 5:7. The reality is that many Latin witnesses had the Comma, and that many Christians, yes, true Protestants, accepted these words as true. Thus, without being shackled to a narrow manuscript-centric view, but rather, a proper received traditional view, they accepted that these were authentically God’s words, as true believers also should do today, lest they come in danger of the injunction at the end of Revelation, for adding to or detracting from God’s Word (which is a modernist’s practise).

Question 12. How do you know that that faithful witness tradition and accurate translation is preserved in the KJB and nowhere else?

The faithful witness tradition was not limited to the King James Bible. In fact, all genuine copies, translations and versions bear witness in this way, however, the King James Bible is the most accurate, and therefore, the exemplar. Since there can be only one actual exemplar, therefore the other sources, as good as they may be, inasmuch as they differ to the KJB in singular, unique or particular places, they are not of the “very pure”.

The fact is that there is much preserved, much accurate, much faithful, and it is a lie to imply that only the KJB is the Word of God, and that it is nowhere else. Why, the Scripture is in heaven, and we can only surmise that it is KJB, because we have no empirical access to it.

Question 13. Is the King James Bible language so archaic that nobody speaks like that today?

This misunderstands Bible English. The King James Bible is not foreign, not unrelated to, not different to English. It is English, but it is special. It is Bible English. The language of the King James Bible literally has never been ordinary speech, and it never will be in the history of the world. The reality is that the King James Bible is conducive to, comprehensible to, ordinary English speakers today.

It is an emotive ploy and a lie to claim that the Bible language is “so archaic”. Since in fact the King James Bible is still currently, and quite commonly used, it shows its relevance.

Question 14. Is it a fact that it nowhere says God\'s word will be preserved only in English, and not in (say) Spanish, French, Arabic or Chinese, all of which are spoken by vast numbers of people?

The Scripture indicates that the Word of God would be translated, as has occurred in many languages. The Scripture also indicates that one language has been chosen, in the providence of God, for worldwide preaching. This means it would be a lie to accuse the King James Bible believers of saying that only it is the Word of God. Indeed, it is the only Bible which should be aimed to be used for the future, and for whatever vast numbers of people, from whatever national or linguistic background. After all, the spread of English around the globe cannot be said to be accomplished by the agenda of King James Onlyists.

Question 15. Is it a fact that nowhere it says that God\'s word will be preserved in 16th. century English, which is spoken by nobody today?

In reality, the King James Bible is Biblical English. This is hardly locked to the 16th century, which ended in 1599, before the King James Bible was ever made. Moreover, the King James Bible is not locked to the seventeenth century, nor to any time before the year 2000. In reality, it is a supersuccessionary form, which has endured and speaks currently and relevantly today, more so and greater than ever.

Those who try to brush it off as old are resorting to deceptions. The fact is that the King James Bible’s language is comprehensible, and as much as the King James Bible is used, could be said to be “spoken today”. Its design by God’s Spirit is that the King James Bible should remain.

“For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.” (Zephaniah 3:9).

Question 16. Why is the KJB the perfect one in particular, and not those that came earlier or later?

This is clear to anyone who actually believes the Scripture, which prophetically points to the KJB, and in seeing how the KJB is consistent with the nature of God, and observes both the external (e.g. dominion) and internal factors (word accuracy), showing that it alone is exact, final and exemplar.

Question 17. Why don’t we have to catalogue all the Hebrew or Greek or Latin sources today to &quot;prove&quot; the authenticity of the King James Bible?

Because God’s Word is not limited to Hebrew and Greek, and God’s Word is manifestly in the KJB, that is to say, the King James Bible is God’s Word today. In fact, there is no perfect Hebrew Bible, not even a perfect manuscript containing the entire Greek New Testament. So, of course, it is clear that the King James Bible is authentic.

Question 18. And why did that continuum end in 1611?

The providential continuum has not ended, but the King James Bible endures, incorrupt, even this day. And there are yet signs and manifestations of the King James Bible’s truth.

Question 19. Have many learned men laboured for the other English translations?

The labours prior to 1611 were heading toward that perfection. The labours since, inasmuch as they departed from or rejected the King James Bible, underscore that such persons were not “learned”. Why labour to reject, fight against or differ to the King James Truth?

Question 20. Why that English Bible in particular, and none of the other translations?

As is shown, and by many passages, including Prov. 30:4,5, and so on, that it is God’s plan manifest to produce the King James Bible as it is.

Question 21. Is it true that as more MSS are continually discovered, so we gain a greater understanding of the text coming out of the past?

No, the more discoveries are made, the more confusion increases, the more it solidifies to the modernist that there is no perfection, no finality, and that the King James Bible apparently is wrong.

Question 22. How do you know that the KJB is pure and perfectly word for word accurate, and not any of the others?

Seeing that there are textual and translation differences between the Protestant English Reformation Bibles, only one could be right. Thus, it follows, according to the model of Psalm 12, that a seven-time purification sequence being accomplished, the end is come.

Question 23. How do you decide the word for word accuracy of a particular translation?

Accuracy is not “decided”, it is received. We decide to believe. The signs are all there, prophetically in Scripture, in consistency to the nature of God, in the external providences of the appearance of the King James Bible, and by minute study of its detail. It is the truth of truth.

Question 24. The same argument can be applied to all the other translations as well.

But such a view would not stand up to the logic of faith. The problems in those versions would have to be defended as truth, and it would be untenable. For example, it is illogical to argue that the Vulgate is accurate because one Vulgate differs substantially to another, and for the internal inconstancies in it, notwithstanding its promotion by an antichrist. Thus, only the King James Bible soundly shows itself and is shown to be right exactly in every way.');
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There is a profound blindness in those who believe not but to those who believe God\'s words - in fact, &quot;[b:18d90ad0c3]all the words[/b:18d90ad0c3]&quot; - there is revelation given by God. Those who do not believe that God\'s words have been preserved throughout history will stay blind, which is the result of Satan\'s influence - &quot;the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not&quot; (see 2 Corinthians 4:4). This is the great deception within many churches today and has undermined true doctrine and unity in the faith.');
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There are great blessings for the people of God, because God faithfully upholds His Word. It\'s important to note the conditions in these verses. God\'s people should diligently hearken unto His voice, observe His commandments and do them. This is applicable in every area of our lives. We are required to be faithful in keeping God\'s Word so His will is accomplished and His blessings flow.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1557', 'e280f77054', '', 'Point 1. I guess you take the position that the KJB stands as the climax to a long tradition.

Answer: Yes.

Point 2. How do you see that widening or departing from the mark shown in the later versions?

Answer: In several ways. First, that they (modernists) obviously reject the KJB as correct. Secondly, that the amount of variations and divergences multiply rather than settle or resolve. Thirdly, that there is a trend away from the proper tradition and toward antichristian views as the modernistic process is allowed: it never leads to “truth”.

Point 3. Against what standard do you measure that correctness, accuracy and precision?

Answer: Itself. If it is the Word of God, and if it is the perfect form of it, it would be entirely self-authenticating.

Point 4. Did the KJB came from some of those imperfect Greek MSS (and from the Latin Vulgate for those verses that were not in the Greek MSS in 1611)?

Answer: It follows that every rendering in the KJB would be found in the Greek language in and prior to 1611. Those renderings which are said to be “Latin”, would in fact be found somewhere in Greek. However, the basis of the KJB NT is not merely “the extant Greek”, but all the valid sources of transmission of the preserved NT.

Point 5. How does comparing scripture with scripture indicate the soundness of the KJB — is that by comparing it with its immediate predecessors (e.g. from the time of Gutenberg perhaps)?

Answer: When comparing the KJB internally it is self authenticating. Therefore, ultimately, to compare Scripture with Scripture only ultimately bears out fully when restricted to the KJB. This is because textual, translational and other variations, impurities or corruptions exist in other extant copies/versions/translations.

Point 6. But why should that exist in a 1611 translation, and not (or not as much) in an earlier or later translation?

Answer: While God’s ways are past finding out, it seems that in order for people to exercise faith, in order for them to actually study, God’s working (in line with the prophetic scheme of events of Church history) was to have the standard Bible manifest in 1611.

Point 7. Again, without further qualification, that could be used to endorse any translation, before or after 1611. I\'m sure that the Hebrews believe that they have what Moses wrote.

Answer: Do they? Or are you putting words into their mouths? I could venture that most Jews today would know that textual variations exist in the OT copies, and that none is absolutely certain. I certainly am sure that no single Hebrew OT copy is perfect today. However, I believe that the English OT of the KJB is perfect and exemplar. In today’s context, it is only the KJB can be shown to be true in every last detail.

Point 8. Again, that argument could be used to support any English translation.

Answer: Yet most English translations do not stand up on simple self examination. Only the KJB has a level of detail in it which stands up unlike all others. See my monograph: http://www.bibleprotector.com/glistering_truths.pdf

Point 9. So is it your view that God\'s word was preserved in the Latin Vulgate?

Answer: The Latin Vulgate was part of God’s preservation.

Point 10. How do you determine the accuracy of the KJB and the relative inaccuracy of the other translations?

Answer: The KJB is measured by its own self: its own words, its own doctrines, its own nature, its own internal characteristics, its own providential manifestation, external signs and prophetic fitness. Other extant forms prior or after are therefore measured by what we know is correct.

Point 11. By what standard do you measure this accuracy?

Answer: If the KJB stands up under the rigorous application of self-authentication, then it is indeed valid, and what it actually claims to be, viz. God’s Holy Truth.

Point 12. Other 16th. century Bibles, or something else?

Answer: Obviously the KJB itself, and the Spirit also bears witness.

Point 13. So if the KJB is not the only word of God, why do you draw the conclusion that the Scripture is the KJB?

Answer: No, the KJB is Scripture, however Scripture is also rendered in other forms, however all other extant forms suffer from textual issues, translational issues or other presentational issues.

Thus, the KJB is the only form of the Word of God to be used, and is really the only form which actually fully, perfectly and utterly is the Word of God, however, it cannot be said that other extant forms are “not Scripture” or “not the Word of God” if they are sufficiently so. However, the difference is between mere sufficiency and total attainment and perfection.

Point 14. What do you say to those who produce versions of the Bible that speak to (particularly) the youth of today in what to them is a more natural sounding English?

It is not the Spirit’s speech, and if “natural”, that might mean “carnal” or “brute beasts”, but the most authentic form, and wonderfully accessible, is where the spirit of any man or child is opened up to attaining God’s words.

Point 15. I\'m sure that you would agree that the proportion of believers in the population is much lower now than it was in 1611, so how do we reach out to these unbelievers?

Answer: Evangelism, the fulfilling of prophecy and providences are not merely carnal works. Man’s answers have been to make God’s Word easy. This was a grievous error which has done great damage. In our day of visitation there is all the power of the Spirit to reach unbelievers — even with our KJB — there is no hindrance to God in that!

Point 16. As I see it here in England, people (like me) who grew up with the KJB have learnt a good deal of its language, but we are probably the last generation to do so ...  Prince Charles has said that, when he becomes King, he doesn\'t want to be \'Defender of the Faith\' but \'Defender of Faith\' (any faith is implied in that title)

Answer: Actually, we are the first of a new generation. Second, God is with the last as much as He was with the first. Third, we have much more to reap for all that has been sown before us. Fourth, the God I serve is more powerful than any King Charles (and, as Milton said, God has yet his remnant).

Point 17. Some of them would claim that it is; and, in the days of the great explorers and missionaries, that may well have been the case. Again, I would guess that the language of the KJB would make it more difficult for a non English speaker to hear the word of God.

Answer: The power which bore the English Bible to the ends of the earth is not dead. It is very much about, though perhaps a sleeping giant. As for the KJB’s language, it is hardly difficult for the Holy Ghost to use the KJB to turn benighted souls to the truth. It is by the KJB that one truly hears the Word of God in clarity. Why would the Holy Ghost have any issue with that?

Point 18. Why do you say that the language of the KJB speaks more currently and relevantly today than it ever has?

Answer: It is God’s design. English is more widely spoken than ever. The internet and other media connect everywhere. The KJB is here, there and in the air.

The truth of the KJB has not changed. Therefore, the KJB intrinsically is able to speak most currently and relevantly.

Point 19. It is only \'spoken today\' by those who read from the KJB.

Answer: This proves that the KJB is not “archaic”. Moreover, it also shows that the KJB should be more used than ever. This is our aim. We do not expect to fail on the strength of Psalm 68:11.

Point 20. That could be said to apply to modern English much more than KJB English.

Answer: KJB English is far superior to modernist English, and KJB English can be shown to be “pure”, unlike modernist English. Again, see my monograph: http://www.bibleprotector.com/glistering_truths.pdf

Point 21. How does Scripture prophetically point to the KJB and not to any other translation?

Answer: It is important to realise that there are prophecies of Scripture in general (e.g. Romans 16:26). However, there is also some SPECIFIC inferences which could only apply to the KJB, or be consistently only found to match with it rather than anything else.

For example, if we are commanded to seek out of the book of the LORD and read according to Isaiah 34:16, what exactly is this “book of the Lord” today, but the KJB.

Again, what fits in with the “purified seven times” of Psalm 12 but the KJB?

Etc.

Point 22. Again, I don\'t see how that applies to the KJB and not to any other translation from the Hebrew and Greek.

Answer: Since all Greek and Hebrew copies differ, and since all versions and translations differ, only one could be perfect and correct. If it is not the KJB, what is it?

Point 23. What are those signs and manifestations?

Answer: Massive acceptance, many conversions, powerful advancing Christianity, sound doctrines, miracles, providences, statements by believers, etc.

Point 24. They certainly did not (and do not) believe that the KJB is the final true translation.

Answer: Yes they did. They said that there should indeed be one more exact translation of the holy Scripture into the English tongue, meaning their work, and they said that people should not reject it, only to seek great fairs afterward, etc.

Point 25. Again, that does not specifically point to any particular translation, in any particular language.

Answer: Nowhere does the Bible actually say, “It shall be only the King James Bible”, etc. No, all doctrines are taught by understanding the meaning of Scripture and its application and outworking. Since the KJB is directly, distinctly, fully and perfectly in line with this, no matter what verse is examined, the KJB can be soundly shown to be God’s favoured and chosen manifestation.

IF YOU TOOK EVERY BIBLE IN EXISTENCE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, ONLY THE KJB WOULD MATCH UP TOTALLY IN ALL ASPECTS.

Point 26. So what about those (for example) who argue that the older MSS are purer, and the later MSS have introduced corruption to the text?

Answer: That is a natural (carnal), unscriptural and actually logically fallacious argument which does not actually stand up. The case is not whether or not older or new MSS copies are better. The case is whether or not what we have right now called “The Bible” is true. It says it is. Why would we start from an outside position to try and find out whether we have or how we can get God’s truth (which would be impossible) when we should start from having God’s truth, and see that these things are so by searching the Scripture, and finding how the KJB is true.

Point 27. Much of secular history (for example) depends on this.

Answer: The principle of “time begets error” is not Scriptural. It is anti-Scriptural. Given time, the Bible does NOT corrupt, because it is incorruptible.

Point 28. It could equally be argued that none of them are correct, because they were based on later MSS.

Answer: This illustrates beautifully that a non-KJB position ultimately will lead to an antichrist view that there is no Word. To accept the maxim that time begets error, that man is incapable of actually coming to purity, that there is no final true resolution, is exactly an anti-Bible view. Anti-KJB and anti-Bible are really the same thing.

Point 29. There are those who argue for modern translations that “accuracy is not ‘decided’, it is received.”

Answer: If modern translations are “received”, they are done so from an anti-traditional source. Such a stance for modernist accuracy would doubtless be self-deception or gross ignorance. Whereas, to receive the KJB accuracy is by a Scripturally-consistent enlightenment, that God is true, and that His Word is true. That is why the modernists attack “tradition” and attack the “simple faith” of those who do not use humanistic rationalisations to support their new version.

Point 30. But (as I said above) where there was no Greek MSS available, the Greek was translated from the Vulgate. That is one of the criticisms that is levelled against the KJB.

Answer: Even if this were true, it would not negate the truth that God has supplied His Word. However, this, like many other criticisms against the KJB, does not stand up. The truth of the KJB is not based on which Greek manuscripts, or even, whether the Latin was used. God’s truth is not somehow limited to scraps of Greek or Latin. God’s power has been to have His Word present, and to have it gathered and turned into English. It follows that God’s Word must have been there in Greek, but that is because we have God’s truth right now, and as we explore, we can see that is how it was transmitted. The simple fact is that it was transmitted, and for most people, that is a fact they believe without ever thinking about it. Thus, it is obvious that such “criticisms” are designed to destroy people’s simple and reasonable faith.

“And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith” (2 Thess. 3:2).');
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THE BIBLICAL WORLDVIEW VERSUS OTHERS

As the Biblical foundations are abandoned, there is a raising up of a false “law” instead of the truth.

Instead of seeing rights and responsibilities as derived from God, nature is endued with special qualities. In fact, nature worship and humanism are all about exalting the temporal earth and world as “god”. We see many idols and self-made gods today.

Such people have developed their doctrine to be far from the Scripture. What would happen if they came across a verse like, “A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool\'s back.” (Proverbs 26:3)?

Apparently, according to their warped view, animals cannot be allowed to experience human induced pain, nor human beings chastised. They speak of “humane” dealings, which is a substitute for having God’s law and spirit. According to God’s law, there would be no undue torture of horses nor destruction of human beings for mere sadistic entertainment.

But if people start with assumptions like that animals should not be killed, e.g. for food, then the Scripture must be very alien to their thinking, which says of people, “But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption” (2 Peter 2:12).

According to the world, it is alright for a lion to kill a deer, or a doctor to kill an unborn baby, but it is not alright for a man to kill a lion, or for an abortionist to be executed judiciously for his crime.

In answer to this, it is not alright for good, Bible believing people to join up with the Catholics, just because some Catholics might agree somewhat on these issues. The irony is that some Catholics (including Popes) might talk about “human rights”, and then claim to be against “human rights” in some situations (like terminating the sick). The only consistent stand is to uphold the Bible — something which the Catholics do not ultimately do. Therefore, as much as Catholics may agree in part in Biblical teachings, it would be destructive to claim some sort of allegiance between the Bible believers and the Catholics.

In the long term, the alliance between the Catholics and those who promote human rights (which really began with the Papal Concordat with Bonaparte in 1801) is also doomed. The Papacy may not, for this reason, be breathing out murder against Protestants, but, in Bible prophecy, the nations of Europe will one day destroy Rome.

Christians cannot hold onto worldly doctrines (like “animal rights”, “Greenism”, “human rights”) and pretend that they are good Christians in the Church, just as Christians cannot afford to compromise with Catholicism. “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” (Revelation 18:4).

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Question 1. In what way are the modern translations anti-Christian?

In as much as they reject the clear doctrines of Scripture and depart from them.

Question 2. But (it seems to me) it takes an external standard to determine that any translation is the perfect form of the Word of God.

Actually, internally the KJB shows itself in its depth of perfection. Some details of this is shown in my “Glistering Truths” monograph.

Question 3. The claim against the KJB is that it\'s based on later MSS in Latin and Greek, so (without further evidence) it cannot be said to go back to the original NT.

When starting from what we have right now, after all, the word of God “is” truth, and “is given”, what we then might do is inquire how it came to us today. Of course it is logical and easy to understand that it must have come from the very hands of Moses, David and Paul, etc.

Question 4. How do you know that the KJB is free of those errors, and all other translations are not?

On the strength of the totality of the argument which takes into account:
1. The Scripture itself, its doctrines
2. Internal structures, conference of Scripture exact
3. Exact details in its finite form
4. The fulfilment of prophecies about itself
5. The alignment with tradition
6. The signals of providence
7. The witness of the Spirit
8. The many facts and details offered by those who have studied Hebrew and Greek properly and other textual studies to our day, allowing us to safely take the word of the brethren for the KJB’s accuracy

Question 5. Why that date in particular? Why is the \'standard Bible\' the one translated in 1611, and not earlier or later?

That’s just the plan of God. It fits well with the Reformation, the fulness of the refining, preparation for the last days, etc.

Question 6. Again, without external evidence, how do we know that the KJB is 100% correct, and all others wrong? Proponents of the other versions could (on the face of it) make the same claim.

See the answer to Question 4. Also, consider that other versions, even old good ones, do not match up so well with the KJB in its supersuccessionary manifestation.

Question 7. If the other translations are allowed to authenticate themselves, then they could make the same claim.

Other translations do not match up as well as the KJB according to the criteria listed in the answer to Question 4.

Question 8. What other forms are you talking about?

All copies, versions and translations, as long as they are not manifestly corrupted, or manifestly of a different spirit, are sufficient. Obviously things like gnostic corruptions, modernistic/liberal theology/cultic works would not really be good. While some element of Scripture may be in the NIV, for example, it is throughly corrupt.

Question 9. So, by what standard do you measure perfection?

See the answer to Question 4.

Question 10. And I would say that that is more difficult to do when using the archaic words that I listed earlier.

You need to read my “Glistering Truths” monograph. Now, the fact is that there are difficult words in the Bible. Whether they are names (Beth-horon), concepts (propitiation) or just unusual words (neesings), does not mean that we should “dumb down” the language. On the contrary, the Holy Ghost uses His own use of English to convey the truth that He wants man to know. We must come up to His desired level for us, not to bring the Word of God down to the dunghill (as is the intent of the spirit of antichrist).

Question 11. I think there is great hindrance in using 16th. century English to attempt to reach the youth of today.

Nothing is to hard for the Holy Ghost.

Question 12. I would not presume to speak for the Holy Ghost.

Those who are of the spirit would know spiritual things. Thus, they may be judged to be speaking rightly. Are you judging that I am wrong in saying that it is easy for the Holy Ghost to give the comprehension of His Word? Perhaps you are arguing it is hard for God to get His own Word across?!

Question 13. So are the translations in modern English.

But it is obvious that the KJB really is everywhere, able to be sought out, unlike modern versions in which you have to buy unlocks for in Bible software programs.

Question 14. But (I would argue) less clearly.

The KJB was as mysterious to a fool, heretic or unbeliever in 1611 as it is today. The problem is not God’s Word, the Holy Ghost is still getting it through to those in darkness. The problem is to judge God’s Word from the position of darkness (e.g. a fool, heretic or unbeliever) today.

Question 15. Again, nothing about the English language there.

Prophecies are applied, not explicit. The prophecy of Ps. 68:11 does apply to the KJB, whether or not it says the word “English” in the Bible.

Question 16. So why don\'t people speak KJB English (or anything like it) in everyday conversation?

While the world has its way of speaking, God is in control despite their sin, and the English of today is not so removed from the KJB. In reality, an English speaker can understand the KJB, and also we know that the Spirit of God awakens souls and gives understanding. While Bible English is distinct to Modern English, nevertheless, they have very much in common.

Question 17. It could refer (and, in my view, it does refer) to the Old Testament of Isaiah\'s time.

It would be merely natural thinking to limit Isaiah 34:16 to the prophet’s own day. After all, he was speaking prophetically (prophecy is about the future) by the Spirit (who inhabits eternity).

Question 18. How does the \'seven times\' apply to the KJB ? I\'m always wary of numerological arguments.

If you reject proper Biblical use of numbers, you would have to reject a lot of Bible passages, including seventy years captivity, seventy weeks, the age of Christ and all the genealogies, the prophecy of the 1260 years of the Papal States free rule, the time period of the Turkish invasion, etc. etc. all of which are given in Bible.

The purified seven times applies to the KJB in that there are in fact seven major English Reformation Bible Versions: Tyndale, Coverdale, Matthew, Great, Geneva, Bishops’ and the KJB. This is not a coincidence, it is not trying to change historical facts to mash into a Scriptural timeline.

Question 18. None of the above. We don\'t have it yet. I don\'t believe that we had it in the 17th. century. Within a generation after the KJB, England was embroiled in civil war, so why should they have been blessed with the only perfect and correct translation at that time?

There is ONE perfect Bible. The English civil war was a fight which related to it. In the 1650s, Cromwell was supporting the KJB. All attempts to keep the Geneva or revise the KJB failed. The KJB endured. Then, in the Restoration, the KJB was obviously supreme.

Question 19. Great fairs? What are those?

The KJB men said, “Others have laboured, and you may enter into their labours. O receive not so great things in vain: O despise not so great salvation. Be not like swine to tread under foot so precious things, neither yet like dogs to tear and abuse holy things. Say not to our Saviour with the Gergesites, Depart out of our coasts; neither yet with Esau sell your birthright for a mess of pottage. If light be come into the world, love not darkness more than light: if food, if clothing, be offered, go not naked, starve not yourselves. Remember the advice of Nazianzene, It is a grievous thing (or dangerous) to neglect a great fair, and to seek to make markets afterwards”.

If the KJB is a great fair, the modern versions are attempts to rival it.

Question 20. If they said there should be one more exact translation, that implies that at least one of the predecessors of the KJB was exact.

Yes, there are six “exact” translations, but the KJB is “more exact” then they. See the answer to Question 18.

Question 21. How can one do this without examining every verse in every translation?

You don’t have to. You can receive that the KJB is right straight away. Then, you can see, if others were studied in detail, that they would fail miserably. I do not focus on tearing down other translations and modern versions, I focus on showing the perfection of the KJB. It is there, I have not found one problem in it. I believe that all honest inquiries will always find it true.

Question 22. Match up totally with what?

The KJB, in every detail, matches up with perfection. It vindicates itself. It is self authenticating. Without external sources it is possible to prove its consistency.

Question 23. So how do you know that the KJB is true, and none of the other translations, except by comparing every verse in every translation?

See the answer to Question 21.

Question 24. So how do errors arise in Biblical MSS?

There are no errors in the KJB. There were errors, problems and variations in other copies because the spirit of antichrist has been present, that accidental mistakes may have occurred in copying, and that people had incomplete copies (also, considering that copies have been actively destroyed at times). Moreover, attempts at compiling versions and making translations may have done well, but it was only by the sequence of events of the 1453 that things clicked together, viz., English loss of possession of France, solidifying English the national language, the first commercial use of Gutenberg’s press to produce a Bible, and that the Turkish conquest of Constantinople brought Eastern preserved learning and many sound copies of the NT into Western Europe. Thus, the Reformation, the sequence of improving English Bibles, the right providential climate, having the right people at the right places at the right time with the right learning and access to the right information, meant that there was a completion of the gathering process from a holistic view (including the sequence of gathering together the text in instrumental/critical editions) so that the KJB was freed from any and all textual and translational errors, problems and variations, giving one exemplar. Thus, the work of God.

“He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.” (Deut. 32:4).

Question 25. It is not my position that there is no Word, but that we only have a close approximation of it. I see that as being pro-Bible, as an illustration of man\'s attempts to reach perfection. I don\'t believe that we have reached that point yet.

That is a no actual perfect Bible position. In other words, God has failed to have an exact truth. God’s words, according to that low view, are sullied by unknown errors of transmission. This contradicts everything right and good.

“For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.” (1 Cor. 14:33).

Question 26. I accept the tradition of the chain of MSS from the 5th. to the 15th. centuries. We don\'t have anything like that chain of evidence for any other book.

If your chain starts in the 5th Century, it sounds suspiciously like the Roman Catholic tradition to me. Proper tradition dates all the way back.

Question 27. If people\'s simple and reasonable faith is based on a modern translation, who are we to criticise that?

That would have to be corrected, because it would be ignorance and foolishness.');
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1. There are no original autographs available. Everything we have is copies. There is no logical reason why we should go to the Greek, especially since there has been so much traditional scholarly work to form a gathered English Bible which is witnessed to be better.

2. No single Greek copy is standard. Manuscripts vary and have minor errors. Each edition varies. Only the English Bible is fixed.

3. The meaning for Greek words vary. Some words are disputed in meaning, others are unknown, others have different meanings. Only the English gives the sense which is certain.

4. The people who talk about &quot;the Greek&quot; are appealing to an elite group of people and a system which is outside of the control of normal Christians. It is far better to trust God\'s people and for us to study in line with that.

5. Most people don\'t know Greek, but they do know English. Thus, the English is better for communication.

6. The OT in Greek is not the best translation. The OT in English is best.

7. Claims for the Greek now often involve pride and makes some people better than others. With the English Bible, everyone has access.

8. Many doctrines are changed, challenged or rejected by going to the Greek, instead of staying with the proper tradition as manifest in English.

9. With the Greek, people can make the Bible say what they want to by picking and choosing, playing word games and other deceptive arguments.

10. Going to the Greek bypasses any trust in the Holy Ghost. It is a slap in God’s face to act as if He has not got His Word to us in English already.

Why we should go to the King James Bible.

1. It is available right now.

2. It is the standard text.

3. It gives the full sense.

4. It is a common possession.

5. It is understandable.

6. It is the whole Bible, the entire Canon, with nothing mixed.

7. It requires humility, and is accessible to all.

8. It has correct doctrine.

9. It is a fixed set of words.

10. It is in line with the Spirit.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1562', '464f6c71d6', '', 'If God gave His Word by inspiration, it would be right to say that His preserved words today are inspired.

Since God has been able to transmit His words from the original writers to today in the King James Bible, the King James Bible is inspired because it has all the inspired words in it.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1563', '5522881b0a', 'Ignorant.', 'Waite\'s position here is terribly ignorant.

It presupposes that God cannot [b:5522881b0a]perfectly [/b:5522881b0a]bring everything in the Originals into a translation. He clearly does not believe in [b:5522881b0a]God the Almighty[/b:5522881b0a].');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1564', 'b513baa223', '', 'Refutations abound.

Point 1. Please let me know where (e.g.) the ESV and NKJV do that.

Refutation: The NKJV differs to the KJB in translation in various places. If the sense differs between the NKJV and the KJB, only one is correct.

Point 2. So how do you know that the words of Moses, David, Paul etc. are preserved in the KJB and not (or not as much) in the other translations?

Refutation: Since other translations differ to the KJB, only one can be exactly correct.

Point 3. Many (arguably most) of those who have studied the Hebrew and Greek MSS have vouched for the accuracy of the modern translations.

Refutation: Actually many have vindicated the KJB, and there is much to show that modern versions are corrupt, especially since they all differ to each other.

Point 4. Preparation for the last days in 1611?  Seems like a l-o-n-g preparation to me.

Refutation: Jesus said “soon” almost 2000 years ago. Another verse says that a thousand years is like a day to God.

Point 5. Please explain supersecessionary manifestation. I have never hard of that term (and nor has my spell checker)

Refutation: It is a portmanteau word describing that the KJB is essentially greater than and replaces all other extant Scripture copies.

Point 6. So which modern translations are (in your opinion) not thoroughly corrupt?

Refutation: The only incorrupt translation in the modern era is the KJB. Other translations in line with the proper tradition may be okay, but really, we are in a time when the KJB is displacing ALL Bibles in any language. That is what “supersuccessionary” entails.

Point 7. So why do we not see many young people coming to church (except those that come with their parents) ?  Perhaps it\'s different where you are.

Refutation: You are looking at the Church as if it is almost extinct. That is the wrong view of the working of God in history.

Point 8. It is much harder for people to get His Word across if they use archaic language.

Refutation: The KJB is not archaic as you imply. It is the Spirit which actually speaks and uses the Word, not merely the efforts or strivings of men.

Point 9. That is absolutely untrue. I can type in any book, chapter and verse into Google, and get a host of ancient and modern versions.

Refutation: The KJB is still the most prevalent, and will be.

Point 10. Again, I would contend that He is not getting His Word across to anything like the same extent today as in 1611.  The world has changed, and the English language has changed with it.

Refutation: According to that pessimistic and God-limiting view, Satan is basically calling the shots, controlling nations, changing the language and blocking the Gospel. Well, the reality is that God is in control, that God has providential designs and the Gospel is as powerful as ever.

Point 11. How do you know that it applies to the KJB?

Refutation: Clearly, Psalm 68:11 fits more with the KJB than with anything known to this point. It is a historical fact. Moreover, we can take it also prophetically for the future.

Point 12. Not nearly enough, as is shown by the dramatic decline in the number of church goers (at least here in England)

Refutation: See the refutations of point 7 and point 10.

Point 13. How do you know he was speaking prophetically about the 21st. century?

Refutation: Isaiah 34:16, like other verses, are true now as they were at the time they were written.

Point 14. How do you deduce that the 1260 years applies to the Papal states? How do you deduce the date of the Turkish invasion from the Bible?

Refutation: If you read Joseph Mede, Isaac Newton, Thomas Newton, Adam Clarke, Albert Barnes, John Gill, Jamieson-Fausset-Brown, Uriah Smith, B. W. Johnson and my own website, you would find out about this (traditional views of Puritans, Anglicans, Methodists, millenarians, Church of Christ and some Traditional Pentecostals). It’s called the historicist interpretation of Bible Prophecy.

Point 15. So where does the Bible say that there would be seven versions?

Refutation: Psalm 12 is applied to see how God’s Word could be purified. Obvious God’s Word is already pure, so it would have to be the forming/editing/scholarship of the text and translation where the purification takes place. There are seven major steps like this in the Reformation English.

Point 15. Of course, Cromwell was rightly executed, and the monarchy restored.

Refutation: Cromwell was not executed. And he was not the fanatic that some anti-authoritarians and Catholics make out.

Point 16. They may not have ever corrected those 24000 errors in the KJB if the monarchy had not been restored.

Refutation: Gross ignorance. There are no errors in the text and translation of the KJB. Don’t you realise that much editing of the KJB had already taken place by 1638 before Cromwell and the Puritans were in power?

Point 17. the modern versions have been translated on the basis of those ancient MSS that have been discovered since 1611.  Pretty good rivals, for the most part.

Refutation: Modern versions are poor rivals. I don’t even have to say anything more, because it is so manifest how inferior they are. The fact is that there is not one error in the KJB.

Point 18. Those who believe in the modern versions would say the same.

Refutation: Really? Which modern translation is free from internal inconsistencies? Which modern version is 100% true? Which one is totally correct? The answer is NONE. Only the KJB is fully right.

Point 19. Which has now been further refined and improved on the basis of the ancient MSS that have been revealed to us since 1611.

Refutation: Why look at ancient, disagreeing, partial and manifestly corrupted, limited and failing copies when we have the pure Word of God in our hands?

Point 20. We only had a (not very) close approximation in 1611.  The refining process continues to this day.

Refutation: Unless you have arrived, or will arrive to perfection before Christ returns, you have failed, and would therefore be showing a failed God. It is right to say that God has already supplied His Word in one historic perfect exemplar form made common for all the world, according to the revelation of the Scripture itself, e.g. Matthew 24:14, etc.

Point 21. Sorry, as per my breakdown of the dates of various forms of MSS, I should have said from the 2nd. to the 15th. centuries.  We have a whole host of papyri from the 2nd. 3rd. and 4th. centuries.

Refutation: You have a missing link from before the 2nd Century. Those who uphold the Pure Word right now do not have missing links, nor anything missing or added in the Scripture. The KJB is it.

Point 22. Who are you to tell these people that their simple and reasonable faith is based on ignorance and foolishness ?

Refutation: Modern versionism is not “reasonable” and is not the “plain truth”. It requires non- and anti-Biblical arguments to prop it up.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1565', '7091523b7a', '', 'In recent times, King James Bible user, D. A. Waite, has used the same arguments that anti-KJBO people like Rick Norris do, to the point of using identical terminology.

1. They accuse us of promoting an inspiration occurring from 1604–1611 because we believe that the King James Bible has a perfect text and translation.

2. Their claim is that the real Scripture and the inspired Scripture is only in the preserved original languages, and that the King James is just a version, and that even if the King James Bible is the best translation it is always inferior to the original languages.

3. They claim that the King James Bible, an English translation, cannot be called “inspired” because it contained the Apocrypha in 1611, had marginal variations, and that there are different editions of the KJB with different wordings.

It seems that there is no real difference between what Waite argues and what people like Norris state. In fact, it is a wonder that Norris attacks Waite at all, because their views are so close. Apparently, Waite has even accepted Norris’ research which is more thorough than his own.

The point is this: a true King James Bible onlyist cannot be merely a Textus Receptus or Majority Text supporter. Such unbalancedly pro-Greek positions are not, in their ultimate form, compatible with the King James Bible only view. This is because there is no final perfect Greek text of the New Testament actually existing in one form today on Earth.

So we must now refute the three main points listed above:

1. Sound King James Bible onlyists do not believe that the translators of 1604–1611 were inspired. They believe that they, like any Christians, were handling the inspired words. The proper view is that it was providential that the right men were able, at the right time, to gather the right words, exactly, so as to give the perfect King James Bible, which we possess this very day.

2. Sound King James Bible onlyists do not emphasise the underlying languages out of measure, because God has manifestly spoken through translations. Moreover, since there is no settled perfect text in the original languages, and since those languages have obscurities of sense, and since they are uncommon today, it follows that having one perfect Bible, in the common English language, is the design of God. Thus, the King James Bible has come to a point where it is able to displace the original languages, and other versions and translations.

3. Sound King James Bible onlyists believe that the Scripture is inspired, and that was present in 1611. It was not in the Apocrypha, nor was it so fully in the margins. The true Scripture was present fully and utterly in the perfect text and translation of 1611. As for editions, and their variations, of course there has been the correction of printing errors, and the standardising of the language, but all this editing work, throughout the traditional proper editions, has been for the arriving at the immaculately accurate presentation.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1566', '8b3115c93c', '', 'Anyone who repeats statements like &quot;we cannot know&quot; or “how do you know?”, etc., shows their lack of knowledge and wilful ignorance. Thus, bypassing the more foolish questions, or ones I have already answered, I will highlight several points.

Question 1. What do you mean by saying that the KJB is greater than all others?

Since there is no perfect or final text in the original languages, since all versions vary and translations differ, the identifying of the actual Word of God must be accomplished by receiving whatever has been provided by God. Everything is pointing to the KJB as greater than all other extant copies, versions and translations for its perfect exactness and accuracy.

Question 2. What evidence do you have that the KJB is the most prevalent?

What Bible is more prevalent than the KJB throughout the world? None.

Question 3. On what evidence do you base the claim that the Gospel is as powerful as ever? It seems to me that it is less powerful than it was in 1611.

Only a backslider, unbeliever or atheist would make such a claim, as though God has diminished.

Question 4. He was executed posthumously.

Hello? How can anyone be killed after they are dead?

Question 5. So why do people here say that the text was not finalised until 1769?

Who are these people? The fact is that the text and translation of the King James Bible were complete in 1611.

If you merely refer to the editing of the English, then it would be incorrect to claim that it was finalised in 1769 in that all editions today differ slightly to 1769.

Question 6. I\'m sorry, but you do have to justify your claim that the ancient MSS are inferior to those late MSS that were known in 1611.

I didn’t make that claim. I said that the KJB was reliable of itself, without having to attempt to vindicate it yet again by turning back to any Greek MS tradition.

Question 7. You will have to demonstrate that (e.g.) the ESV / NKJV are in error, and the KJB is totally correct.

No, rather, if the KJB is demonstrated to be correct in various places, then if and where modern versions differ, they will obviously be in error, and this has already been shown by many people, meaning that it is not my duty to attempt to pull down modern versions.

Moreover, it would be silly to have to prove the KJB is correct in every last place, since most arguments may be made by using a sufficiency, that is, if it is demonstrated that the KJB is correct in several places, and every time it is tested it is vindicated, it follows that it must be correct in every place, in that such a criteria for exhaustive examination is NOT honest or logical, in that no man alive would ever accomplish to investigate every last word. Thus, it falls to us to receive the truth and to study it.

On the other side, every last error in modern versions do not have to be exposed in order to show how corrupt they are. Such endeavours would be a waste of time. If general studies has shown that there are errors in modern versions, and that the KJB is true, that is quite enough to settle the case.

Question 8. How do you know that it was fulfilled by the KJB when the end has not yet come?

Because I have faith that it will be fulfilled by the KJB when the end does come.

Question 9. Please explain how you know that the KJB corresponds exactly to the Bible that existed before the 2nd. century.

We do not require carnal evidences such as copies dated or marked “autograph” in order to prove the authenticity of Scripture. What we have is the Word right now, and that shows that it was written by inspiration. All we have to do then is trust that the God who speaks and reveals now is the same one who brought it to pass. Therefore it is quite simple to see how the KJB today is linked exactly to what was being written by Peter or Paul or John.

Question 10. I certainly don\'t use anti-Biblical arguments.

Honestly, things like, “we cannot know” are anti-Biblical, especially since the Bible has both stated and shown the spiritual way of knowing.');
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THE BIBLICAL VIEW OF THE PERFECT BIBLE

In order to show the King James Bible only position, we begin with the Word of God itself.

The Scripture says, “But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.” (Deut. 30:14).

The Scripture says it is true. So we start there.

If we say, “This is the inspired Scripture”, we do so on the basis of the Scripture which we have right now. The Scripture did not pop into our hands out of nowhere. It was published and delivered to us in a special way. That is called a “received tradition”. (New Christians should be given this instruction when they are learning about the Bible.)

What is “received tradition”? Well, “received” means that you have got something, a gift, right now.

So, let’s answer one question: if we have received something, we possess it right now.

And what does “tradition” mean? Well, let me ask this question. Where does tradition exist? In the past or right now? The answer, you may be surprised, is that tradition exists right now. Tradition is understanding right now what happened in the past. It is an understanding of something which has continued out of the past to the present.

So, when we say, “This is the exact true Bible”, we are saying it is right now. But then we can straight away point to the past. We can then illustrate how God not only used the men in the Scripture to write by inspiration, but that God has obviously caused the Bible to come forward through time, despite corruption or persecution of the Bible.

“Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.” (2 Thess. 3:6).

Let’s take the King James Bible. He says, withdraw yourself from those who are walking disorderly. We could take that to mean, withdraw yourself from using modern versions which bring in doctrinal perversion.

He then says, “not after the tradition which he received of us”. What tradition have we received? The King James Bible. And so, we are supposed to judge now, whether or not the King James Bible is the right one. You have to go to some other source, NOT SCRIPTURE, to get a false (and recent) tradition that says that modern versions are better.

Some people start by saying, “The King James Bible is the best, because it comes from the best Greek copies...” However, we should start by saying, “The King James Bible is the best because the Scripture points to itself and upholds the King James Bible right now, and it is possible to demonstrate its authenticity on any grounds...” (It is this instruction which should be understood by growing believers. We are not advocating a magical idea of &quot;the KJB is right and you can\'t question it&quot;, we are advocating a basis for right thinking and doctrine and interpretation.)

The key is this: only after you are sure you have God’s perfect Word in English should you talk about the Greek (that is to say, issues with the Greek). If you start from talking about the Greek, you are automatically discounting the English you are using to try and prove your point.

Let me say it another way: If you do not think that you have God’s Word exactly perfect in English right now, there is no way to prove or come to the conclusion that it is fully and accurately is God’s Word with nothing added or missing.

Faith does not come by going to the Greek. Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. You must accept the Word of God you can hear right now, not the Greek, in order to have faith in God’s Word. (We can safely conclude that no one alive today has been born again by hearing the Gospel preached in the original Greek!)

And do you know another wonderful truth in line with this? That means you don’t have to learn Hebrew or Greek to be able to study the Scripture. You don’t have to know what the original languages supposedly mean in order to understand right doctrine. No, all you need is faith that God has got His Word to you in the world’s most common language, right NOW.

As with any doctrine, you can test it. There is a body of knowledge which can be gained by study. The knowledge about the Bible and how God has accomplished His preservation is built up.

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Here is an example of the Lord\'s faithfulness in the area of finances and material blessing. If we honour Him, He will faithfully honour us. We should be acknowledging the Lord for meeting our needs, as He\'s promised to do, and for His many blessings over and above the basic material needs. God warns us not to trust in riches, so when we are faithful with what He\'s entrusted to us (financially for example), He can entrust even greater to us.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1569', '1bdfb59878', 'CUP\'s view of the PCE in 2010 with comments', 'Dear ______________ 

I am always puzzled when I see occasional references made to the \'Pure Cambridge Edition\'.

[color=brown:1bdfb59878]It would be strange to those who do not understand about presentational purity, and who do not have an aim to uphold the perfection of the King James Bible as the ONLY Bible. Cambridge has long meandered from its traditional standing, and sadly, in recent years, its guardianship has lapsed.[/color:1bdfb59878]

I have seen no real evidence to suggest that there was any distinct revision process undertaken (by or on behalf of Cambridge) at the end of the 19th century (i.e. after Scrivener, and after the process of revision which led to the publication of the Revised Version) which justifies the claim that \'an edition\' was consciously developed at that time.

[color=brown:1bdfb59878]Yet a distinct edition exists with around 50 differences to the late Victorian Cambridge Edition. There are examples of it from the 1920s to the 1980s being printed extensively by CUP and its Pitt Press.[/color:1bdfb59878]

I would suggest that then, as before and after, each time a new setting of the Bible was undertaken the editorial and production teams responsible (whether at Cambridge, Collins, Oxford or elsewhere) took as their pattern copy text for typesetting what they regarded as the best, most accurate version of the text available and re-keyed it as accurately as they could.

[color=brown:1bdfb59878]The PCE did not arise by accident. Many of the changes are so particular that they would require the highest knowledge of the history of the editions, and are judiciously made with such care as to accurately restore several old renderings which had long been mis-presented.[/color:1bdfb59878]

For a brief period of time it is possible that most Cambridge Bibles did conform to the version of the text that adherents of the \'Pure Cambridge Edition\' regard as perfection but we have no means to identify which - if any - Cambridge editions or typesettings of the early 20th century might have been the one that prompts the \'Pure Cambridge Edition\' notion. 

[color=brown:1bdfb59878]Rather vague and inaccurate description: the PCE was dominant from the late 1920s to the beginning of the 1980s at least.[/color:1bdfb59878]

On the Bible Protector website (the main proponent of the PCE concept) there is a brief list of key passages/spelling for identification, and a much longer list of over 500 textual elements. (It should be noted that even here, in the context of someone suggesting a definitive piece of research, these 2 lists do not agree: not all the items listed in the \'key\' identifiers appears in the supposedly definitive list.)

[color=brown:1bdfb59878]The key list is for 12 passages designed to be compared to ANY KJB ever made, whereas the list of 500 concentrates on variations between major post-1769 representatives. To imply the inaccuracy of the PCE or its evaluation is poor form (why would CUP shoot itself in the foot by trying to haze up the existence or textual studies into one of its own dominant, if not the most dominant ever considering all those BFBS Rubys, editions?)[/color:1bdfb59878]

Insofar as I have been able to evaluate these it appears that there are three current or recent Cambridge editions which come close to the PCE. Some new Cambridge editions were originated during the 1920s and 1930s, apparently using as their pattern copy a version that (nearly) accords with your expectations. Our Cameo and Turquoise (now called Presentation Reference) and Pitt Minion editions fall into that category.

[color=brown:1bdfb59878]Small changes were made in the 1980s in some editions to make them no longer PCE. Compare the word &quot;spirit&quot; at Acts 11:12, Acts 11:28 and 1 John 5:8 between these PCE and post-PCE editions.[/color:1bdfb59878]

I have checked these three Cambridge editions against the key list of textual variants, and also against most of the items on the definitive list where the PCE supposedly differs from the Cambridge Concord edition. (NB: the Concord Reference Edition, which originated in the 1950s is based on some editorial work agreed between the 2 university presses of Oxford and Cambridge, and has been described - by the Online Bible amongst others - as the most accurate representation as exists currently).

[color=brown:1bdfb59878]The PCE does not “supposedly” differ from the Concord, it definitely differs. To uphold the Concord as superior is disputable. Larry Pierce of the online Bible sent that text (after he had worked on it) to be examined by a Japanese corporation who claimed to achieve a very high degree of typographical accuracy, but there are still typographical errors in it (even to this day!). So, it would be foolish to claim the edition\'s actual accuracy just because it happens to be typographically good. Not only is the Concord not immaculate, but there are also some issues in its spelling and editorial choices, particular its capitalising of the word &quot;Spirit&quot; in Acts 11:12, Acts 11:28 and 1 John 5:8.[/color:1bdfb59878]

Concord mainly differs from \'the PCE\' in spellings (e.g. entreat/intreat; enquire/inquire). The other 3 Cambridge editions, Turquoise, Pitt Minion and Cameo, all agree with the PCE (insofar as I have been able to check) except in one particular - they each have \'Spirit\' rather than \'spirit\' at 1 John 5:8. The evidence I have is that this is a quite deliberate representation - and indeed accords with most modern KJV settings, and also with all modern versions of the Bible that I have in this office. In fact, the Pitt Minion Text Edition originally had \'spirit\', but by the 1950s the Pitt Minion Reference edition, using the same basic setting, had been amended to \'Spirit\' - presumably to conform to the new Concord, and also the older Turquoise and Cameo editions. (It is possible that those last two originally had a lower case \'s\', but I have no means of confirming or denying this.)

[color=brown:1bdfb59878]By thorough observation, we would find that Pitt Minion, Pitt Brevier, Cameo, Emerald, Turquoise, Diamond, Sapphire, Amethyst and Ruby were all PCE, and there are examples of various of these as PCE in and after the 1960s.[/color:1bdfb59878]

The Presentation Reference Edition (Turquoise) and the Pitt Minion Reference Edition are still available, and we are planning to reissue the Cameo during this year. If you are interested in purchasing one of the current editions, I suggest that you contact our US distributor, Baker Publishing Group, or view details on their website (http:/wwwcambridgebibles.com).

[color=brown:1bdfb59878]Hopefully CUP will make the Cameo 2010 to be PCE, but it is not likely.[/color:1bdfb59878]

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CIVIC VIRTUE

Civic virtue is a phrase which describes the attitude of a good citizen. We belong to a nation, and there is a burden or duty placed upon us to uphold the law, and to uphold a view of considering the body politic, the nation, as the focus of our activity. The Bible says, “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” (Matthew 22:38–40).

What we do, therefore, is very important, because it will reverberate through the nation. The following rules are taken from the old time Boy Scouts, but they apply today.

1. Honour. We must be trustworthy in what we say and do. We are bound to follow the law, and to proper conduct.

2. Loyalty. We are loyal to each other, to the cause, just as we expect others to be loyal to their leaders, officers and parents, employers and the nation.

3. Helpfulness. We help others. We do not ignore those who are in danger, or those who are in need. We are prepared to do good for others.

4. Friendliness. We show friendliness and companionship to all those of our cause, whether they have little or much to offer in return.

5. Politeness. Our behaviour toward others should be courteous, and the weak, sick, young or old should receive our special treatment.

6. Kindness to animals. We ought to regard the life of our beasts and pets. Of course, we kill animals for food, destroy dangerous animals and eliminate pests.

7. Obedience. Baden-Powell’s opinion was that obeying orders without question or objection is very important. This is directly related to discipline.

8. Cheerfulness. While we may not feel happy all the time, we should not grumble, but project positively to others.

9. Thriftiness. We should be wise and prudent with our money. This does not mean that we should be tight or greedy though.

10. Cleanliness. In what we say and do, we should exhibit spiritual and moral cleanness to our fellow citizens. Pride, drinking, smoking, gambling, etc. are obvious traps.

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Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

What is the source of our greatness? 1hr 30mins audio.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/WITSOOG.mp3[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:f1e80ce0e2][color=darkblue:f1e80ce0e2]DIRECTORY[/color:f1e80ce0e2][/size:f1e80ce0e2]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1571', '478879135f', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'It seems that modernists have little understanding of the following verse: &quot;A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.&quot; (Galatians 5:9).

Consider that when a little poison is present, then the whole font is corrupted. This happens with the presence of error in so-called bibles. There is a corruption that affects doctrine, proper belief, purity, faith and spiritual matters. The King James Bible has no leaven but is the pure, so it is attacked and villified but it cannot be destroyed.

&quot;If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.&quot; (1 Timothy 4:6). Christians need spiritual nourishment but many are being fed with incorrect words and bad doctrine, especially concenring the nature of God\'s words. It is good doctrine to believe that God has a pure Bible for His people. It reflects in His majesty, holiness, truthfulness and almighty nature.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1572', 'a618999ce4', 'What is faith?', '&quot;For the Lord GOD will help me; therefore shall I not be confounded: therefore have I set my face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be ashamed.&quot; (Isaiah 50:7).

Standing in faith often involves setting your face like a flint. This means that you are determined not to give up, and that you will not be swayed by the devil\'s lies, or be moved by gainsaying words people may speak to you. When you set your face like a flint you\'ve resolved in your heart to believe God no matter what. When you do this you will see the results.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1573', '78dced192a', 'The Protector, 21 March 2010', '[img:78dced192a]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:78dced192a]

[color=red:78dced192a]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:78dced192a]

WELCOME! [i:78dced192a]The Protector[/i:78dced192a] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:78dced192a][color=darkblue:78dced192a]EDITORIAL[/color:78dced192a][/size:78dced192a]

THE JAMES FIVE PROPHECY

The book of James contains much wise instruction for the New Testament Church. In the fifth chapter, the Lord turns our attention to future happenings. These are happenings which are now presently coming to pass.

He begins, “Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.” (James 5:1). Some may perhaps try to read depressions or global economic crises into this, but rather, it shows how futile the world’s system has been.

“Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.” (James 5:3). The wealth of the fools and godless would indeed by such a horrible burden to them. But, in all this, God shows another promise: the treasures of the world are being heaped together for a special purpose.

God has a plan which is working in history. He has planned it so to provide the end time Church with a financial boost. For years evil men have been holding up money and wealth. For years they (e.g. Roman Catholics) have persecuted believers. For years it has been bad for good people.

But the Bible prophesies, “Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” (James 5:7, 8).

[size=18:78dced192a][color=darkblue:78dced192a]NEWS[/color:78dced192a][/size:78dced192a]

Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

What is the source of our greatness? 1hr 30mins audio.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/WITSOOG.mp3[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:78dced192a][color=darkblue:78dced192a]DIRECTORY[/color:78dced192a][/size:78dced192a]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1574', '9155109a7c', 'Hearing God', '&quot;Commit thy works unto the LORD, and thy thoughts shall be established.&quot; (Proverbs 16:3)

Committing our works to the Lord, on a daily basis, sets things in order for us. It establishes our thoughts. When our thoughts are in line, and we\'re thinking on God\'s Word, we can hear Him more effectively. Committing our works to the Lord accomplishes a lot, it allows God to be in control.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1575', '5659f21d65', 'The early 1900s KJB is the best edition', 'Even Jack Schaap knows the PCE is the best:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KVhv9RCfvI

P.S. It is #180 from the bearing precious seed publishers based in Lansing. That is a large print, leather bound edition with Cameo typeface. No references or anything. Just plain Scripture (PCE).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1576', '296840c2d2', 'PCE', 'Yes, very good.

I wonder what research he is referring to!!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1577', '3fc2c86e6d', 'The Protector, 28 March 2010', '[img:3fc2c86e6d]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:3fc2c86e6d]

[color=red:3fc2c86e6d]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:3fc2c86e6d]

WELCOME! [i:3fc2c86e6d]The Protector[/i:3fc2c86e6d] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:3fc2c86e6d][color=darkblue:3fc2c86e6d]EDITORIAL[/color:3fc2c86e6d][/size:3fc2c86e6d]

BIBLE PROPHECY ON THE FALL OF THREE BARBARIAN NATIONS

“And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.” (Daniel 7:24).

The small horn that arose is a representation of the Papacy. The ten horns represent the ten nations which overtook the old Roman Empire.

Of these ten nations, three would be subdued. One of these nations was the kingdom of the Heruli. Odoacer, one of the Heruli, conquered Rome and disposed the last Roman Emperor, only to be subjugated in Italy by the Ostrogoths in 488 A.D., and so they were scattered throughout Europe.

The Ostrogoths were defeated in Italy around 538 to 540 A.D. by the Byzantines, in concert with the Pope.

Italy was then ruled by the Lombards, but they were taken by the Franks (774). The Papacy convinced the French that they had the rule over Rome and surrounding lands.

Thus, three kingdoms had been subdued, the Heruli, Ostrogoths and Lombards, so that the Papacy could be said to have overcome them, even as Daniel prophesied.

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Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:3fc2c86e6d][color=darkblue:3fc2c86e6d]DIRECTORY[/color:3fc2c86e6d][/size:3fc2c86e6d]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1580', 'e831908132', '', 'Peter, Did you ask Hyles Anderson College or did you ask Bearing Precious Seed Bible Publishers?

At HAC there are various people who might not really know stuff properly, because even at their King James Version Summit, Ken had to ask his father, in front of the crowd, what was the specific edition.

At BPS, they have a variety of editions being printed under the name &quot;Cambridge&quot;, however, there is one large print one, which is the same inside as the one being sold by avpublications (and TBS), is PCE.

Genesis page 1 has, as the bottom line second column, &quot;ture that moveth, which the&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1579', '95e6269652', 'More Than The Pure Cambridge in 1900', 'I do believe that there was more than one rendering of the King James Bible by Cambridge at that time.
So he may be referring to the Pure Cambridge, or not.
*******
Here is an e-mail I sent them very recently; notice the reply.
*******
&quot;Does your giant print Bible in Joshua 19:2 read...and Sheba
Also, in Ezra 2:26, does your Bible read ...Gaba
Thank you very kindly.
I am looking for a pure Bible&quot;.
Thank you, Peter Fuhrman

&quot;our giant print Bible [b:95e6269652]does[/b:95e6269652] read that way&quot;. [bold mine]
*******
PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:
_________________
Peter Fuhrman

Holy Bible
There is only one.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1581', '98a3302159', 'Has the KJB really changed since 1611?', 'Comparing the 1611 Edition with the Pure Cambridge Edition.

This following gives some differences in the presentation of editions of the King James Bible, but are they really changes in the underlying text and translation?

It seems very unlikely that the word &quot;God&quot; having its presentation changed to &quot;GOD&quot; in itself actually changes a meaning, but for preciseness and so on, the &quot;GOD&quot; rendering would be accurate. This seems to be a typographical error or oversight in the first printings from 1611, which was adjusted in 1629. Such cases cannot be argued from pre-existing editions where such particular calligraphic features are not found.

As for Nehemiah 1:11, the relatively late correction of &quot;Lord&quot; cannot be conclusively be stated to be an actual change in the King James Bible, since that there is no authoritative final standard of the King James Bible which existed prior to the 1830s (when this occurred) which can be compared to, however, in this case it is possible to see that a typographical error persisted in the ages of the King James Bible to that time, and that those who knew the Hebrew properly understood in fact that the correct rendering should have been &quot;Lord&quot;. Perhaps the original typesetters put &quot;LORD&quot; out of habit, or out of zeal, but it was not correct, and persisted wrongly, though we may find that there are editions prior to the 1830s which already contained the correct presentation.

The correction of Matthew 16:16 by adding the word &quot;the&quot; is nothing more than editorial regularisation in line with the standardisation of the English grammar which was taking place around the 1750s, therefore, this correction being made in the English presentation in the 1760s. Surely we would accept the word &quot;the&quot; in front of a descriptive title in line with the standardised English use.

It is possible that the word &quot;the&quot; was a typographical error for &quot;a&quot; in Luke 19:9, but certainly it might be said that these articles were subject to the standardisation of the language which took place, thus the editorially precise rendering in the English presentation.

Let us venture that &quot;Jesus Christ&quot; at Romans 3:24 was, on the grounds of the preceding letters, a typographic error. We know that the Geneva and Bishops\' had &quot;Christ Jesus&quot;. Moreover, we find that sometimes, some of the work in the editing of the King James Bible regards the flow of the language, which may deal with punctuation, but occasionally word order. While this cannot be the primary motive, it would certainly fit in with the other factors which a learned editor in the 1760s would consider. It is fairly safe to assume that the &quot;Jesus Christ&quot; rendering was not the intention of the translators, in that those learned in the Greek and Latin would also find there Christo Iesu.

1 Peter 2:1 has “all evil speakings”, which appears to be a typographic omission in 1611 for wanting the word &quot;all&quot;, for that its early correction in 1629 also indicates that it would be editorially consistent in the English to have such a word at that place, having witness also as early as Tyndale. And doubtless the learned editors of 1629 were intimate with the translators\' intentions.

In all these examples, if taken case by case, and if taken as a whole, there is no real case of any real challenge to the integrity of the underlying text and translation of the King James Bible, and it quite rightly can be said that the text and translation have not altered, though there are always places where we only have maximum certainty rather than full and final scientific knowledge, whereas to argue to the opposite must appeal to maximum uncertainty, making that case essentially uncertain and self-destroying.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1582', 'b20b2baf07', '', 'Thank you Matthew for the clarification.
Great Edition!
*******
I asked Bearing Precious Seed.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1583', 'd47c71a7c7', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'There is little consideration by modernist version lovers of the following spiritual law: &quot;A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape.&quot; (Proverbs 19:5).

The fact is that [b:d47c71a7c7]God hates lies and lying[/b:d47c71a7c7]. This fact alone should be enough to convince churches that God does not agree with the idea that multitudinous, contradictory, erroneous &quot;bibles&quot; can all be His Word. There is clearly a complete lack of understanding of God\'s hatred of lying.

&quot;The lip of truth shall be established for ever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment.&quot; (Proverbs 12:19). &quot;These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood&quot; (Proverbs 6:16,17).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1584', '8211b234bb', 'What the Bible says about the unborn child', '&quot;I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou [i:8211b234bb]art [/i:8211b234bb]my God from my mother’s belly.&quot; (Psalm 22:10).

Each person is a unique and special creation from God. He knew us before we were formed in the womb, and has a purpose for each of us. God\'s will is for every person to become a redeemed person, and to serve Him. He is worthy to be served, and there is no higher calling, better way, or greater joy.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1585', 'ca764f545e', 'The Protector, 4 April 2010', '[img:ca764f545e]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:ca764f545e]

[color=red:ca764f545e]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:ca764f545e]

WELCOME! [i:ca764f545e]The Protector[/i:ca764f545e] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:ca764f545e][color=darkblue:ca764f545e]EDITORIAL[/color:ca764f545e][/size:ca764f545e]

When a person comes into true Pentecostal Christianity they are not coming into:
1. Mindlessness.
2. Disorder.
3. Chaos.

The Bible makes it clear that we are to be “spiritually minded” (Romans 8:6), and to “mind the same thing.” (Philippians 3:16).

The Christian walk is not haphazard. Church is not supposed to be without structure. Consider what Paul stated in Colossians 2:5, “For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.”

Jesus is building the Church. Building has a structure to it. Processes of building follow patterns and rules. In fact, the New Testament gives many commandments for Christians to follow.

It would be an error to say, “Now that I am in the Spirit, I am free to do whatever I will.” The truth is that those who are freed from sin are to serve God. We are called to serve Him and to be conformed to the image of Christ.

“Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. ... But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.” (Romans 6:18, 22).

Therefore, the works of God in teaching and ministering and perfecting of the saints are not going to be chaotic. Prayer itself is not random. The true kind of Christian revival is not about allow the flesh to run riot, but is about building up belief in the Word. If manifestations and experiences are not connected to the Word, they are obviously false.

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Has the King James Bible REALLY changed since 1611?
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=421[/url]

Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:ca764f545e][color=darkblue:ca764f545e]DIRECTORY[/color:ca764f545e][/size:ca764f545e]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1586', '83840dfbb9', 'KJV Cameo Bibles are being re-printed', 'I have just looked at amazon.co.uk, and it looks like that the Cambridge KJV Cameo
Reference Bibles are going to be re-printed and published on the 31st May, 2010. They
are going to be available in:

KJ452:XR Dark Grey Imitation Leather
KJ453:XRA Black Calfsplit Leather
KJ455:XR Brown Vachetta Calfskin Leather
KJ456:XRE Black Goatskin Leather

It is unsure at this moment of time if they will be PCEs or not.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1587', '9844d66425', '', 'The last Cameos that CUP printed were almost PCE... except for the word &quot;spirit&quot; wrongly changed to capital at three places: Acts 11:12, 11:28 and 1 John 5:8. CUP admits to making these changes deliberately.

All these places have &quot;spirit&quot; in many or most older editions.

This is not a small issue, not only for meaning and doctrine, but that in the time of their unlearned unbelief, they think they may be able to yet fiddle with the English text. This day, they have several distinct editions which do not agree, the post-PCE, Standard Text Edition, Concord and the Norton Paragraph Edition. Logically, one would expect publishers in this digital era to seek uniformity, but there exists four distinct editions which have been printed in the last few years.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1588', 'c6cb043544', 'CUP error', '[quote:c6cb043544]This is not a small issue[/quote:c6cb043544]
Exactly correct! It only serves to show why CUP can no longer be regarded as being &quot;guardians&quot; of the exact text. In fact, they have deviated from the PCE.

[quote:c6cb043544]CUP admits to making these changes deliberately.[/quote:c6cb043544]
Their sin is exhibited for all to see.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1589', '799891d65c', '', 'I have found a printing company that prints Bibles, and it looks very good. It is the
Guangzhou Fung Choi Printing Co. based in China. For more info:

[url]http://fungchoi.en.alibaba.com/aboutus.html[/url]
[url]http://www.fungchoi.com/[/url]

We may see the PCE going into mass production here!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1590', 'e25e6e829c', '', 'Another one, Dev Tech Publishers and Printers PVT Ltd.

[url]http://www.devtechprinters.com/bible-printing.html[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1591', '4123e8d0cf', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'I am convinced that modernists have done tremendous damage by directing churches into modernist versions as though people can somehow pick and choose what &quot;word&quot; from God suits them. This is a slippery path and is illustrated by the following verse: &quot;If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?&quot; (Psalm 11:3). There is something the righteous can do and that is to stand for the truth of a firm foundation of God\'s exact words in the King James Bible - this unifies the people in doctrine and truth.

The slipperiness of the the modernist version position is easily seen when we observe the bizarre versions now presented as words from God. For example [url=http://www.gayandlesbianbible.com/]the sodomite version[/url] [called &quot;Gay and Lesbian Bible&quot;] or the Lego version supposedly for children [called &quot;Brick Testament&quot; - note its horrific blasphemy [url=http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_life_of_jesus/jesus_is_born_02/lk01_35.html]here[/url]. There\'s even a section that says of Job &quot;God refuses to explain his cruelty&quot;!!!]. For a correct view of the KJB and sodomy listen to my sermon &quot;The use of the word \'sodomite\' in the King James Bible&quot; - scroll down here: http://www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm');
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As the Scripture says, &quot;He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered [i:abfef171a8]them [/i:abfef171a8]from their destructions.&quot; (Psalm 107:20). Hearing the Word produces the faith for healing.');
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THE NEW TESTAMENT WRITERS CALL THE NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURE

Paul wrote, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness”. (2 Timothy 3:16).

And then Peter wrote, “... even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.” (2 Peter 3:15a, 16).

If Paul said that all Scripture is given by inspiration, and Peter said that Paul’s epistles were Scripture, then it follows that Paul must have been inspired.

Paul also wrote to the Corinthians, “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures”. (1 Corinthians 15:3).

The Gospels which record Christ’s death and resurrection must therefore be included as the “scriptures”.

Interestingly, the prophet Daniel predicted hundreds of years beforehand that the Messiah would be cut off for the people. “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself” (Daniel 9:26a). The truth was recorded with a timeframe and came to pass exactly, “But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth” (Daniel 10:21).

Will you say “Amen” being in the Scripture every day? “That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:17).

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Has the King James Bible REALLY changed since 1611?
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=421[/url]

Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

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Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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David Norton’s Paragraph Bible was published by Cambridge, and his book “A Textual History” explaining it all was published in 2005.

There are vast problems with Norton’s Edition of the King James Bible.

He writes, “The text needs to be revised in two basic ways”. In reality, the text does not need to be revised at all. But his two ways are: “one is to undo the mistaken changes, the other is to revive the work of modernisation that, in the English, stalled in the eighteenth century.”

By mistaken changes, he is found to charge the major editions with negligence, error or somehow unfaithful dealing with the English. He wishes to undo changes from 1629, 1638, 1769 and even those which have lasted and stood in the King James Bible to this day.

The truth is that there has been a process of editorial purification, which has meant that by progress the presentation has come to stand as it does today. Norton feels this is wrong. He brings the charge of “mistakes” against it. His authority for changing the King James Bible is by consulting some partial drafts which are said to belong to some of the translators before 1611. (Which cannot be proved conclusively, and has been said, by authorities such as B. F. Westcott to actually date after 1611!)

In this alone, Norton, on the pretence of “correcting” the King James Bible actually is found to be undoing the corrections of the editors which were correcting typographical errors from 1611. Moreover, Norton makes untenable changes on this mistaken principle, such as turning the word “hewed” to “shewed” at Hosea 6:5.

Norton goes beyond changing just based on what he might find in some manuscript drafts, but also turns to the original languages to justify his changes. The problem here is that he must use the original languages to justify a different reading of what was normally, properly and historically understood in the original languages. Thus, the use of “original languages” becomes bogus and suspect when it can be used to justify any editorial decision or whim.

As for his modernisation of the language, this too is fraught with error. Changing spelling can change meaning. And it can be equally used to attack the meaning of the Bible by injecting modern interpretations and doubts, whether on “shamefacedness” at 1 Timothy 2:9, or myriad other examples. Thus, Norton makes “astonied” into “astonished”, “born” into “borne”, “clift” into “cleft”, “cloths” into “clothes”, “intreat” into “entreat”, “enflaming” into “inflaming”, “lien” into “lain”, “mixt” into “mixed”, “utter” into “outer”, “ravin” into “raven”, “recompence” into “recompense” and “throughly” into “thoroughly”. Each example is of distinctly different words or distinct grammatical forms, which are not identical, and which result in loss of information under Norton’s barbarian (foreign to Bible English) editing.

Norton claims that the English text which he counts as authoritative is that printed in 1611, not that of the revisors (i.e. later editors). In this, he must have accept various impurities and typographical errors as his standard in opposition to the general and authoritative editing which has corrected these issues.

He says, “Variant readings should be decided in the light of the deliberate decisions of the translators, even if the reasons for those decisions are not necessarily apparent.” This leads to the artificial construction of “variations”, meaning that where the present edition differs to 1611, all differences can be resolved by a method of deferring to the fallible, incomplete and partial notes which may not wholly belong to the translators anyway. This “leave your mind at the door and let the notes reign true” approach is so against proper scholarship that it must necessarily discount all the wise and learned editing from 1611 to the twentieth century, and must uphold waywardness above received tradition.

Were the editors really so incompetent that Norton must juggernaut the King James Bible, making many tedious, vexing, useless changes and, it would appear, as many as can possibly be squeezed in?

He even says, “The text is not whether a later variant can be argued to be better in some way, but whether there is a strong likelihood that an error of copying or printing is involved in the first edition.” Thus, his opinion is subject to whether or not he can explain the state of 1611 without any regard of the learned editorial work which occurred in, say, 1638 or 1769. He adds, “No attempt should be made to correct perceived errors of scholarship.” This implies that he really thinks the King James Bible translators were making mistakes, but he assures the reader that he is not going to change their work... except, when examined, he changes the King James Bible in all kinds of ways which put the truth of Scripture into jeopardy.

Norton also discusses how he modernised the spelling and punctuation of the Bible (which definitely altered words and their meanings). He then says, “A reader troubled by this principle has two alternatives available: the first is to read a facsimile or exact reprint of the first edition, the second is to agree that modernisation is acceptable, but not beyond eighteenth century standards, so to read a text that is neither as the translators presented it nor genuinely modernised.” This is a false dichotomy.

We certainly agree that the spelling and punctuation of 1611 is not final authority. But we do not agree that “modernisation” according to Norton’s use is permissible. If he styles himself as just another moderniser after Blayney, then he is wrong. Blayney was a standardiser and purifier. That is something which Scrivener and Norton both certainly were not.

Moreover, editorial care for the King James Bible did not stall in the eighteenth century, but continued throughout the years of the nineteenth century in normal editions, resulting eventually in the Pure Cambridge Edition of the twentieth century.

In fact, Norton is being deceptive when he says, “neither as the translators presented it”, for in the sentence before, he admits that the translators were not that concerned with spelling and punctuation. Thus, there is no grounds to say that the spelling and punctuation of 1611 must be rigidly followed to every jot and tittle, since it is a fact that in the standard of English use, it is not the final authority.

The genuine purification of the King James Bible has already taken place, thus, Norton’s implication that he is to genuinely modernise it is false on the grounds of its authority and the grounds of its method.

Norton writes, “The result is, it is hoped, more scholarly and trustworthy than any of its predecessors because of its first principle [undoing editorial purifications] and because the [partial, incomplete drafts] ... has been consulted.”

And the heady advertising pitch continues: “It is also readable in a way no other reference editions (that is, editions retained the chapter and verse system of reference) have ever been through its consistent use of modern spelling and its reformation of the punctuation and presentation.”

These changes do not make it more “readable”! This is mere subjective gobbledegook. The use of the word “reformation” is a euphemism for “wholesale revolution”. Down with the old order, in with the new.

Laughably, Norton reveals, “Editing is an unglamorous task and, save only for punctuation, spelling is its leads glamorous aspect.” He then begins his disparaging of Blayney, “making multitudinous changes without achieving ‘exactness’.” And the 1769 work was “inconsistently done.”

Norton points out that “an half” and “a half” are both used in 1611, but fails to appreciate its use for meter and/or sound (phono-linguistics). Again, he misapplies and misunderstands the Biblical grammar, as at Deuteronomy 32:35, which he claims “recompence” is wrong.

He says, “This last examples gives a good indication of Blayney’s noble but flawed attack on the problems of orthography. The overall result is that modern texts contain a mixture of words that are correctly and consistently modernised, words that are treated inconsistently (the inconsistency does not necessarily corresponded, example for example, with the inconsistency of the first edition), and words that, correctly, retain the same variety they had in 1611. All these problems must be tackled.”

Norton is implying that the Pure Cambridge Edition has inconsistencies in it, and that the words or word forms must be “modernised”. Clearly, he has utterly failed to understand or appreciate the exactness of the words as they stand, and the peculiar grammatical situations which are entirely accurate, and how the meaning is clarified by such nuances. Norton’s desire to steamroll the Word of God into his own flat, tasteless and undesirable image must be the result for his contempt for (whether deceptively or ignorantly) God’s providential work of having the very presentation perfected.

Does Norton not realise that when he says, “its spelling should be to the best contemporary standards”, that he is in fact demoting Bible English to the temporary, subjective and changeable ways of modern speech? Surely, this is nothing but Satan’s means to bring the Bible away from its exactness (and its venerability) to be trodden under foot and made unfit for anything. Thank the Lord that true believers are aware, and should not be drawn to such quasi-scholarly vandalism on the Word of God.');
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&quot;It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.&quot; (Proverbs 3:8).

This speaks of physical strength. The Word brings health to our flesh.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1596', 'cc319505f2', 'EXPLAINING DIFFERENCES BETWEEN KJB EDITIONS', 'If you have read in any detail about the King James Bible Only issue, you would have heard about the different editions. If the King James Bible is true, how can there be differences in editions?

At the Missing Verses website, they employ this argument with typical ignorance and deception. They state, “The Differences Between KJV 1611 and KJV 1850”.

By reading that, it seems like the version from 1850 is different to the version from 1611. However, the facts are that the same version of 1611 is published today, despite all the edition differences.

A man named Scrivener wrote about this in 1884, and often his words are quoted, “Most readers will be aware that numberless and not inconsiderable departures from the original or standard edition of the Authorized Translation as published in 1611, are to be found in the modern Bibles which issue from the press by thousands every year.”

If we are to take Scrivener’s word for it, today’s King James Bible must be vastly different to what was first printed in 1611. But that is not the case.

In 1611, printing was done by a hand on a press, and typography was not accurate. Sometimes a letter was printed upside down, sometimes words were missed. Because the handwritten corrections were difficult to follow, and doubtless read by candlelight, all kinds of small mistakes appeared in the printing. In one place half a verse was printed twice in a row.

If you look at a copy from 1611, you would notice that the spelling is often quite different to what we are used to. The spelling altered as well, even in the same verse! Besides using a different typeface, you would also notice that the letters did not always look the same, sometimes “u” was used for “v”, and so on, so that some words could look quite different.

Moreover, the first printing from 1611 had the Apocrypha inserted between the Old and New Testaments.

Over the years, as the King James Bible was reprinted, printer’s errors were fixed, spelling was standardised, and editing took place, so that the King James Bible from 1611 could appear to be very different to present editions. However, this does not mean that the King James Bible has actually changed, as we shall see in a moment.

Now, it is important to note that important editing took place at certain times, creating standard editions which influenced other editions after them. When the Cambridge Press began printing a corrected edition in 1629, it was a great improvement to previous editions printed by Barker of London. Years later, when Oxford produced a corrected edition in 1769, this was eventually followed by all the other publishers.

At times, people would attempt to alter the King James Bible, such as the American Revisions of the 1850s. However, these were not influential, nor were they of the proper tradition. Moreover, these types of editions exhibited many changes which were contrary, and which were already rejected by believers at those times.

If someone is trying to compare the 1611 edition with an American Revision edition of 1850, they are comparing the first edition to a wildly extravagant revision. This is obvious, because if the 1850 American Revision was compared to an edition printed by Cambridge or Oxford from the same time, there would be a huge gap between them and the American Revision. Thus, it is deceptive to compare the 1611 to the 1850 American Revision, which in no way represents proper editions.

When Scrivener was studying different editions a few years later, he produced his own edition which was similar to and radical like the American Revision. Scrivener’s book, which described how there were so many differences in historical editions, was actually designed to promote his work, as though his edition was a sensible correction of the King James Bible.

Scrivener wrote, “Some of these differences must be imputed to oversight and negligence, from which no work of man can be entirely free; but much the greater part of them are deliberate changes, introduced silently and without authority by men whose names are often unknown.”

Many of his statements were designed to imply that the King James Bible was a hopeless mess. But not knowing who or when something was edited does not count as evidence against the King James Bible. Moreover, even though editing had not always been uniform, it had altogether worked toward the better presentation of the English Bible.

Scrivener had to admit that there were improvements in editing, “Now, if such alterations had been made invariably for the worse, it would have been easy in future editions to recall the primitive readings, and utterly to reject the later corruptions. This, however, is far from being the case.”

But he went on to accuse the editors for making unjustified changes, even though he proceeded in his own edition to make numerous changes, including some gross ones. “Not a few of these variations, especially those first met with in Cambridge folio Bibles dated 1629 and 1638, which must have been superintended with much critical care, amend manifest faults of the original Translators or editors, so that it would be most injudicious to remove them from the place they have deservedly held in all our copies for the last 250 years.”

What Scrivener meant was that changes from 1769 were, in his view, not careful or better. He felt that he should “undo” the improvements from 1769 and make his own changes.

Someone might say that some words were altered in spelling, and some were not. However, there is a very good reason for this. In any example, such as “besides” and “beside”, we are dealing with two different words with two different meanings. For whatever reason they were not always being printed accurately, it was only until after 1769 that the right usage was found in each place. But with this, or other examples, the modern scholar might object. Perhaps he feels that some places which have one word should be the other, or perhaps all places should have just one word. This was exactly the type of approach Scrivener had, and which others like him have today.

Now, there are other problems with Scrivener’s approach and work, but we will not detail them here. Instead, we should examine some of the places where the Missing Verses website feels that the King James Bible is different today.

The fact is that there are no changes to the King James Bible’s underlying text, nor to the actual translation. All the differences can be explained when comparing the first 1611 printing to the Pure Cambridge Edition (PCE) of today.

1 John 5:12
(1611) Hee that hath the Sonne, hath life; and hee that hath not the Sonne, hath not life.
(PCE) He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Besides differences in spelling and punctuation, there is an important difference in words and meaning. The words “of God” were not printed in 1611. This seems like an important difference, until we realise that all kinds of words were omitted by the printers accidentally in 1611, and that the correct reading was there in 1629. Moreover, the correct reading already existed in the English Bible Version which was being used before 1611. Thus, it should be easy to see that the translators did intend the words “of God” to be present. However, as often happens in cases like these, modern editors might attempt to argue that the translators did not intend to have the words “of God”. This type of arguing based on doubt basically makes the Bible subject to human errors and limits God’s Providence in history. Since some translators were involved in editing the King James Bible in 1638, and since the words “of God” were retained, this is a very strong indication that “of God” belonged all along, and it was a printing error which took a few years to be corrected.

1 Timothy 1:4
(1611) Neither giue heed to fables, and endlesse genealogies, which minister questions, rather then edifying which is in faith: so doe.
(PCE) Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

The word “godly” was accidentally omitted by the printers in 1611, even though the previous copies of Scripture had the word. It was corrected in 1638.

John 15:20
(1611) Remember the word that I said vnto you, The seruant is not greater then the Lord: if they haue persecuted me, they will also persecute you: if they haue kept my saying, they will keepe yours also.
(PCE) Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

If this was not a typographical error, in substituting “the” for “his”, it would be well within the bounds of editorial convention to make this regularisation. If any issue is raised concerning the case of the letter “L”, there are various examples where nouns and titles have capitalisation which does not match the standardised usage, and the lowercase rendering was the intended meaning, especially since it is so rendered prior to 1611.

Matthew 12:23
(1611) And all the people were amazed, and said, Is this the sonne of Dauid?
(PCE) And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?

The alteration was to bring the meaning in line with the expression of standardised English. Any appearance of meaning change is completely superficial, as the correct diction as now supplied was the intended meaning all along.

Ezekiel 24:7
(1611) For her blood is in the middest of her: she set it vpon the toppe of a rocke, she powred it vpon the ground to couer it with dust:
(PCE) For her blood is in the midst of her; she set it upon the top of a rock; she poured it not upon the ground, to cover it with dust;

The omission of the word “not” was a typographical error, already corrected in 1613.

Isaiah 49:13
(1611) Sing, O heauen, and be ioyfull, O earth, and breake forth into singing, O mountaines: for God hath comforted his people, and will haue mercy vpon his afflicted.
(PCE) Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the LORD hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted.

Ruth 3:15
(1611) Also he said, Bring the vaile that thou hast vpon thee, and holde it. And when she helde it, he measured sixe measures of barley, and laide it on her: and he went into the citie.
(PCE) Also he said, Bring the vail that thou hast upon thee, and hold it. And when she held it, he measured six measures of barley, and laid it on her: and she went into the city.

The word “she” was accidentally printed “he” in 1611. This was already corrected in 1611.

1 Corinthians 12:28
(1611) And God hath set some in the Church, first Apostles, secondarily Prophets, thirdly Teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helpes in gouernmets, diuersities of tongues.
(PCE) And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Clearly a typographical error resulted in the word “in” being inserted instead of a comma.

All these examples do not give any real grounds that the King James Bible has in any way altered significantly, nor does the editing which has taken place, in the correction of printers’ errors, standardisation of the language and other regularisation amount to any real change in the underlying text or translation. Therefore, it amounts to nothing but fogging to attempt to discredit the superiority of the King James Bible with accusations against it of this nature.');
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[color=red:4b42471134]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:4b42471134]

WELCOME! [i:4b42471134]The Protector[/i:4b42471134] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

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KING JAMES BIBLE ONLY AND IMPERIALISM

Recently, some bloggers have brought up the idea that King James Bible Only is connected to imperialism. (Their accusations: http://kjvodebate.wordpress.com/2010/04/09/imperialist-influence-on-the-rise-of-kjv-onlyism/ ).

They suggest that the upholding of the English Bible has something to do with an attempt to retain or claim the glories of empire, e.g. the British Empire.

Numerous quotes can be given from historical writers that do make strong links between the Bible and the greatness of Britain or America, but this should not automatically lead people to think that upholding the King James Bible is some kind of ultra-extremist thing.

“The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness\' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable. But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore. Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for the time to come?” (Isaiah 42:21–23).

It seems that the American King James Bible Only Christians have a better idea about their nation than others, for example, this video: [url]http://vimeo.com/9612009[/url]

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Has the King James Bible REALLY changed since 1611?
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=421[/url]

Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

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Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1598', 'd10c883751', 'The spirit case: an overview', 'Those of us who believe the King James Bible is exact and accurate, have looked into the fact that sometimes in the King James Bible we find the word “spirit” lowercase, when it is connected to God.

There are places where this definitely should be capital, like in Matthew 4:1 when Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness. Not only do we see this coming through authoritative historical editions, we can also see this by parallel passages. It is a doctrinal truth as well.

In Acts, Peter preached, “I will pour out in those days of my Spirit”, but in Joel we read, “in those days will I pour out my spirit.” There must a particular and doctrinal reason why the word “spirit” is sometimes lowercase. For example, in Joel, the spirit is poured out, meaning the work of God into the hearts of men. But in Peter, it says shows that the Spirit, specifically, the person of the Holy Ghost, is given. Therefore, taking these two passages together, the outpouring of the spirit is of the Spirit.

Now, it is a fact that turning to the edition of 1611 or even 1638 alone is not going to be the final solution in every example. This is because there was still proper and legitimate editorial work after 1638. Also, we would have to have to come to a time in history where these issues were all finalised, so that we would have the right presentation, because, after all, such a difference could potentially be a doctrinal issue.

Does this mean that when there was a misprinting or lack of editorial standardisation in early years, that the King James Bible was actually giving a different doctrine then? No, because while there has been some flux in spelling, and printer’s mistakes, there has to have been a refining process to make sure that we have come to some point in history where knowing exactly what the right jots and tittles are is resolved. This NEVER involves changing the actual text and translation of 1611. What is means is that the message is now given in editorially standardised English, with accurate printing. This is a finite process which has come to a specific end: there cannot be ongoing so-called “modernisation” of the King James Bible words. We have the King James Bible today communicating clearly as what was intended by the translators.

If we take the Cambridge Edition which stood in the majority of the twentieth century, in millions of copies, we find some places where the word “spirit” appears lowercase. Some reasons supporting these renderings are given:

ACTS 11:12. “And the spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man’s house”. The parallel passage, the Spirit spoke to Peter (Acts 10:19), but Acts 11:12 is describing not specifically words of the Holy Ghost, but moving in Peter’s spirit. The two parallel passages bring this together. This lowercase usage appears in 1611 and in 1769.

ACTS 11:28. “And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.” Notice that Agabus was operating as a prophet. This accords with 1 Cor. 14:32, “And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.” This lowercase usage appears in 1611, 1638 and in 1769.

1 JOHN 5:8. “And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.” Some have thought that because the Holy Ghost is giving His record in Heaven in verse 7, it should be capital in verse 8. However, verse 8 is talking about operations in the earth and their application to the heart of the believer. When a person becomes convinced of the truth of God in their heart, they are therefore connect to this spirit, as verse 9 states, “If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.” Now, this must be from the Holy Ghost, but we can observe many cases where the work of God is called “spirit”, e.g., Exodus 35:31, Psalm 51:10–12, Isaiah 11:2, etc.

Edward Hills quotes Augustine of Hippo saying, “If we wish to inquire about these things, what they signify, not absurdly does the Trinity suggest Itself, who is the one, only, true, and highest God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, concerning whom it could most truly be said, Three are Witnesses, and the Three are One. By the word spirit we consider God the Father to be signified, concerning the worship of whom the Lord spoke,” John 4:24, “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”

The 1611 had “Spirit” capital, but it also had “Water” and “Blood” capital, whereas “spirit” is lowercase in 1638 and 1769.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1599', '95240bfb3c', '', 'I just read the first one The Prophet.
Now history makes sense.
This is serious long term evil.
This is divination at it\'s worst.
*******
PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1600', '8ffd55ea7f', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?&quot; (Proverbs 22:20,21).

Certainty of the words of truth is definitely missing from many churches. This creates uncertainty within people and there is an accompanying relinquishing of certain doctrines of the past. A questioning appears in the hearts of people. This is the result of modernist intervention in the churches with the pick-and-choose &quot;words from God&quot; approach.

God gives certainty, not confusion, doubt or uncertainty. Right from the beginning God\'s certain words were present: &quot;But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.&quot; (Genesis 2:17).

Satan brought doubt and uncertainty: &quot;Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?&quot; (Genesis 3:1b). This strategy of Satan persists to this very day in his introducing of modernist versions into the churches, thus producing uncertainty and sinful attitudes towards the Word of God.

We should be sure and certain about what are or are not God\'s words. &quot;We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts&quot; (2 Peter 1:19).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1601', 'a25d918cdc', 'The Protector, 25 April 2010', '[img:a25d918cdc]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:a25d918cdc]

[color=red:a25d918cdc]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:a25d918cdc]

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[size=18:a25d918cdc][color=darkblue:a25d918cdc]EDITORIAL[/color:a25d918cdc][/size:a25d918cdc]

NATIONALISM SPIRITUAL AND POLITICAL

Australia’s founding fathers desired to preserve the “British-Australian” identity. This, in their view, was the Australian continuation of what was thought to be good in British culture. We observe that good things out of the United States have also had an influence, chiefly, the Anglo-Protestant Christian ideals passing as current.

The laws and policies were designed to retain the British character of government. Of course, Australia’s culture is unique, but it culturally descends from Britain.

Unity of the people upholding common ideals. Today this is one of the most attacked ideas.

Importantly, there is a Biblical doctrine called “Nationalism”. Nationalism means the study of nations in Bible prophecy and through history as being units called and purposed by God. The very existence of nations is because the Bible says so in Genesis 10.

If anything is remotely Biblical about Australia, or there is anything remotely Christian, notice how the enemies’ agents attack it. The Scripture says, “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.” (Luke 11:17). The division of the house is a major problem.

Common ideals, that is, Anglo-Protestant culture, is essential for national unity. The union depends upon the common loyalty to the right common ideals.

Jesus made a startling prophecy to the Jews, first speaking of the Christian religion, then of a nation which is Christian, “Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord\'s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.” (Matthew 21:42, 43).

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The spirit case: an overview.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=428[/url]

Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

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Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
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Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
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Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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This verse shows that God has a unique plan for people. For example, God knew Jeremiah, sanctified him, and ordained him a prophet before he was born. Likewise, God has a plan for us. Our lives are not random, accidental or meaningless. God has a specific purpose for each person, and has given us distinct qualities and gifts, and made available His enabling power to develop us, in order to fulfil that purpose.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1603', 'b2b3467d6b', '&quot;the latchet of whose shoes&quot; - an inaccurate trans', '&quot;the latchet of whose shoes&quot;

Mark 1:7 “the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.”

Is the word “shoes” an inaccurate or even archaic translation in the King James Bible?

At one of the many Bible clubs I belong to a young man posted that he did not think the King James Bible was accurate for recording that John the Baptist said he was not worthy to unloose the latchet of the shoes of Jesus.

He tells us: “In the KJV, John the Baptist says that he is unworthy to unlatch Jesus\' shoes, while in the NIV, the translation is that John is unworthy to untie his sandal thong. IF you actually believe that first century Jews wore buckled shoes, I can\'t help you. Thus, the KJV doesn\'t have a monopoly on accurate translation.”

Let’s examine this young man’s point to see if it has any merit.  It should first be pointed out that this young professing Christian does not believe that any Bible in any language is the complete and infallible words of God. So, his only recourse is to pick and choose among the thousands of variant readings and exercise his own mind and understanding to determine which individual words he thinks are the best ones to use for any verse he finds in the various, often wildly contradictory bible versions on the market today.   Does he hold up any single Bible version as being the absolute Standard of God’s written Truth?  Not a chance;  but he wants you to think he somehow has a deeper revelation and understanding of what God really wanted to tell us in His Book.

Instead of ignorantly criticizing the language of the King James Bible, he would be much better served by learning more about his own native English tongue.

The phrase about the “shoes” of Jesus is found 4 times in the gospels. It is found in Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:7, Luke 3:16 and John 1:27.  It is one of the very few verses that is found in all four gospel accounts.

Let’s take the one found in Mark 1:7 and examine it more carefully.  In Mark 1:7 we read about John the Baptist:  “And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the LATCHET OF WHOSE SHOES I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.”

What we find when we look up the definition of the English word “shoe” in any good dictionary is that it means simply “an outer covering for the human foot, made of leather, canvas, etc. and usually having a stiff or thick sole and a heel: sometimes restricted to footwear that does not cover the ankle, as distinguished from a boot.” Webster’s New World College Dictionary 4th edition.

The Compact Oxford English Dictionary defines the word shoe as -  noun “1 a covering for the foot having a sturdy sole and not reaching above the ankle. 2 a horseshoe.”

As for the English word “latchet” the American Heritage Dictionary of the English language has this one definition listed online - “A leather thong or strap used to fasten a shoe or sandal on the foot.”

Likewise the Merriam- Webster  online Dictionary, 11th edition has this one definition of the word latchet - “a narrow leather strap, thong, or lace that fastens a shoe or sandal on the foot.”

This young man needs to learn more about his own English language.  A latchet is not only some sort of a mechanical snap and a shoe encompasses much more than the latest style of Reeboks or Buster Brown’s.

Let’s look at some other Bible translations to see how they translate these and other passages.  

The NKJV sides with the RSV,  NIV,  and NASB (THONGS OF SANDALS) saying: “There comes One after me who is mightier than I, whose SANDAL STRAP I am not worthy to stoop down and loose.”

However even the NKJV and the NASB contain the word “shoes” in their modern translations.  “Over Edom I will cast out my SHOE” Psalm 60:8, Psalm 108:9 (NKJV, NASB), Isaiah 20:2 “take our shoes off your feet”; Ezekiel 24:17, 23 “put your SHOES on your feet”, and Luke 10:4 “carry no SHOES” - NASB 1995.

Other Very modern versions like the Amplified has the word shoes in it some 13 times, while the 2001 ESV has shoes in it six times - Psalm 60:8, 108:9; Ezekiel 24:17, 23; Luke 15:22, and Ephesians 6:15.

Ezekiel 24:17, 23  - ‘Sigh, but not aloud; make no mourning for the dead. Bind on your turban, and put your shoes on your feet; do not cover your lips, nor eat the bread of men.&quot; 

Luke 15:22 - “But the father said to his servants, \'Bring quickly the best robe, and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet.” 
 
Ephesians 6:15  - “and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. “

Many Bible translations both old and very modern side with the King James Bible’s reading of “the latchet of whose shoes”.

Wycliffe 1395 - “Y am not worthi to knele doun, and vnlace his schoone.”  With modern spelling the Wycliffe bible reads: “I am not worthy to kneel down, and unloose the thong of his shoes.”

Tyndale’s New Testment 1525 - “whose shue latchet I am not worthy to stoupe doune and vnlose.”

Coverdale’s bible 1535 - “and to lowse vp ye lachet of his shue.”
 
The Bishops’ bible 1568, The Geneva Bible 1587 - “whose shoes latchet I am not worthy to stoupe downe, and vnloose.”

John Wesley’s translation of 1755, and Mace’s translation 1729, Worsley Version 1770 - “the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.”

The Douay-Rheims bible - “the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and loose.”

Webster’s Bible translation 1833 - “the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.”

John Etheridge Translation from the Syriac 1849 - “the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to bow myself to unloose.”

The English Revised Version 1880 - “the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. “

The American Stadard Version 1901 - “There cometh after me he that is mightier than I, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.”

Lamsa’s 1936 translation of the Syriac Peshitta - “the strings of whose shoes I am not good enough to bend down and untie. “

Bible in Basic English 1961 - “whose shoes I am not good enough to undo.”

Goodspeed 1923, New Life Version 1969 , New English Bible 1970 - “help Him take off His shoes.”

Easy to Read Version 2001 - “untie his shoes. “

Worldwide English New Testament 1998 - “and untie his shoe strings.”

Updated Bible Version 2004 - “the lace of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.”

The KJV 21st Century Version 1994 and the Third Millenium Bible 1998 - “There cometh after me One mightier than I, the strap of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.”

There is absolutely nothing wrong or inaccurate about the phrase found in the King James Bible (and MANY others as well) where John the Baptist says that he is unworthy to unloose the LATCHET of His SHOES.  A little learning about our own English language goes a long ways in clearing up any alleged errors or inaccuracies the bible agnostics ignorantly bring up against it. 

The King James Bible is always right.

Will Kinney');
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1605', 'dc188ba905', 'True Pentecostalism', 'Tract can be obtained here: http://www.bibleprotector.com/true_pentecostalism.pdf

To print 2 copies per sheet, simply use this link for the reverse side: http://www.bibleprotector.com/true_pentecostalism_r.pdf');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1606', 'caa1c62235', 'Bearing Precious Seed', 'Does anyone here have any King James Bibles from Bearing Precious Seed?
I just found a box of Bibles in my closet with three PCEs in the mix plus a paperback New Testament from Bearing Precious Seed.
*******
I thought to look at the BPS NT to see if it was indeed a PCE considering they make the same types of claims that many Baptist groups including Riplinger do about making sure to have the letter perfect version with no errata.
For they full well know that there are corruptions in certain King James Bibles.
*******
Here is what the BPS version revealed in my study.
Matthew 4:1 Reads spirit [this is error]
Matthew 26:39 Reads farther [this is error]
Matthew 26:73 Reads bewrayeth [this is correct]
*******
Mark 1:12 Reads spirit [this is incorrect]
Acts 11:28 Reads Spirit [this is error]
1John 5:8 Reads Spirit [this is blatant error]
*******
1/7 is not a good grade.
I do not know if they have improved their text as this edition looks to be a few decades old.
I have found them to be very aloof and slow to change or to receive info.
I just pray that pride does not make them stall the work of God in this very important matter.
Does any here know if they have improved their Bibles in these important verses?
*******
PeterAV');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1607', '224541b730', '', 'Obviously there are differences in different edition/sizes printed by Bearing Precious Seed. I have one which is PCE, but apparently most others are not.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1608', '220c101421', 'The Protector, 2 May 2010', '[img:220c101421]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:220c101421]

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WELCOME! [i:220c101421]The Protector[/i:220c101421] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:220c101421][color=darkblue:220c101421]EDITORIAL[/color:220c101421][/size:220c101421]

THE WORD “AN” IN FRONT OF A WORD BEGINNING WITH THE LETTER “H”

Why is it that sometimes the Bible uses the word “an” and sometimes the word “a” in front of the letter “h”?

“And Judas Iscariot, which also betrayed him: and they went into an house.” (Mark 3:19).

“And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.” (Mark 3:25).

In these examples, the word “a” could be used to mean “any”, whereas “an” could be “one particular” or “every”.

Beside this, we are given a whole other reason for the different English use by John William Burgon, who wrote,

“Rhythm, subtle associations of thought, proprieties of diction which are rather to be felt than analysed”. Again, concerning the Translators of 1611, “we can but conjecture that they conceived themselves at liberty to act exactly as [the apostle] himself would (possibly) have acted had he been writing English.”

This means sound, rhythm and feeling are important factors why the Bible sometimes says “an half” and sometimes “a half”, “an hole” and “a hole”, etc.

It is actually a degree of accuracy which people may not even realise is there.

[size=18:220c101421][color=darkblue:220c101421]NEWS[/color:220c101421][/size:220c101421]

The spirit case: an overview.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=428[/url]

Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
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[size=18:220c101421][color=darkblue:220c101421]DIRECTORY[/color:220c101421][/size:220c101421]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1609', '0c41c8f69b', 'The Protector, 9 May 2010', '[img:0c41c8f69b]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:0c41c8f69b]

[color=red:0c41c8f69b]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:0c41c8f69b]

WELCOME! [i:0c41c8f69b]The Protector[/i:0c41c8f69b] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:0c41c8f69b][color=darkblue:0c41c8f69b]EDITORIAL[/color:0c41c8f69b][/size:0c41c8f69b]

THE KING JAMES BIBLE ESTABLISHED TO THE ISLES AT THE ENDS OF THE WORLD

“But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.” (Roman 10:18).

The Anglican Church was King James Bible Only, and when it was the established religion in the early years of New South Wales, it meant that the Governors of the Colony could enforce that the King James Bible and it only be used.

In 1815, when the evangelical Anglican Chaplain Samuel Marsden wanted to use a different version of the Psalms for use with the Book of Common Prayer, he was prohibited by Governor Macquarie to do so. He wrote, “I have deemed it my duty to prohibit this Version, or any other than that attached to the Bible and Prayer Book of the Church of England, from being any longer used.” Why? Because only the Authorized Version was appointed to be used as “The Bible”.

When the Anglican Church was disestablished, it made no difference. Anglicans, Presbyterians, Methodists and all others alike used the King James Bible. Only later did modern versions take over. Gavin Basil McGrath, defender of the Textus Receptus writes, “The plethora of post World War Two new versions ... has greatly undermined the historical place of the AV among Protestant Churches, and has been one of the corrosive influences in the great decay of true religion. Fortunately, a number of churches have, by the grace of God, kept alive the importance of the AV. In this process, some have formally returned to, or never moved away from, the ‘AV only’ Protestant position of the mid seventeenth to late nineteenth centuries.”

“He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.” (Isaiah 42:4).

[size=18:0c41c8f69b][color=darkblue:0c41c8f69b]NEWS[/color:0c41c8f69b][/size:0c41c8f69b]

The spirit case: an overview.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=428[/url]

Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:0c41c8f69b][color=darkblue:0c41c8f69b]DIRECTORY[/color:0c41c8f69b][/size:0c41c8f69b]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1610', 'a020e14d43', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'What is wrought in the churches when there are so-called bibles that contradict the truth and state opposites? Is this not confusion, error and disunity? A KJB only believer cannot be in agreement with say the New International Version or with one who purports to get their doctrine from such a version.

For example, the NIV user may claim to be a creationist, yet the doctrine they get from the NIV will be different from what they get from the proper Bible, the KJB.

&quot;And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters&quot; (Genesis 1:2b, KJB).
&quot;and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters&quot; (Genesis 1:2b, NIV).
Now, the meaning of &quot;moved&quot; is not only different from &quot;was hovering&quot; but is, in fact, opposite in meaning. The modernist version changes the Spirit of God from a mover to a hoverer!

&quot;And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.&quot; (Genesis 1:6, KJB).
&quot;And God said, \'Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water.\' &quot; (Genesis 1:6, NIV).
Now, the meaning of &quot;firmament&quot; is different from &quot;expanse&quot;. The modernist version has changed that which is &quot;firm&quot; and with structure into a space between things!

Many more such examples can be given but it is time for the modernists to wake up.

One major principle that has come forth from the King James Bible only believers is this:
[b:a020e14d43]THAT WHICH IS DIFFERENT CANNOT BE THE SAME.[/b:a020e14d43]

How very true! Not only do the modernist versions differ in a multitude of places from the KJB but [b:a020e14d43]they also differ from each other[/b:a020e14d43]!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1611', 'eb2fb9bbee', 'God is faithful', '&quot;Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [i:eb2fb9bbee]you [/i:eb2fb9bbee]faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, [i:eb2fb9bbee]be [/i:eb2fb9bbee]glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.&quot; (Jude 1:24, 25).

God is faithful in holding us up, and preserving us. He preserves us from evil, when we operate by faith. The Scripture above demonstrates that His faithfulness is outworked in our lives. Through faith in Him, we are kept from falling, praise God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1612', '923a0bba09', 'The Protector, 16 May 2010', '[img:923a0bba09]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:923a0bba09]

[color=red:923a0bba09]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:923a0bba09]

WELCOME! [i:923a0bba09]The Protector[/i:923a0bba09] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:923a0bba09][color=darkblue:923a0bba09]EDITORIAL[/color:923a0bba09][/size:923a0bba09]

PIONEERING THE TRUTH

In the early days of Australia, one of the settlers, Samuel Marsden, was a land owner and magistrate, who also acted as chaplain for the colony of New South Wales for several years.

Because he carried out his duty as a judge (which included flogging prisoners), and because he used convict labour in his farming, and because he allowed muskets to be given to the natives in New Zealand, he is highly vilified. He has been especially targeted considering that he preached the Word and helped the increase of the Gospel in the Pacific.

Christians have had to stand fast, “By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true; As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed; As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.” (2 Corinthians 6:8–10).

The modern day issue of Bible Versions is another example where there is much heat and emotion, which often departs wildly from the facts. Clearly, the conflict between upholding the King James Bible over and above other modern versions is a spiritually based division, and that the reaction against the King James Bible (and desire to alter it) equally spiritual, in that case, a wrong spirit.

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” (Ephesians 6:12).

[size=18:923a0bba09][color=darkblue:923a0bba09]NEWS[/color:923a0bba09][/size:923a0bba09]

The spirit case: an overview.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=428[/url]

Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:923a0bba09][color=darkblue:923a0bba09]DIRECTORY[/color:923a0bba09][/size:923a0bba09]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1613', 'b4465dc471', 'Hearing God', '&quot;For many are called, but few [i:b4465dc471]are [/i:b4465dc471]chosen.&quot; (Matthew 22:14)

God has a calling on the life of every Christian. The reason why there are only a few chosen is because in the Body of Christ only a few choose to answer His call for the plan of their lives. Others are busy living life for themselves. They\'re not willing to fully obey God and are not really zealous about following Him wholeheartedly and walking the path He has for them. There\'s no higher honour than to serve God His way and to walk the path He has for us.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1614', 'b9e79cd5e9', 'The Protector, 23 May 2010', '[img:b9e79cd5e9]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:b9e79cd5e9]

[color=red:b9e79cd5e9]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:b9e79cd5e9]

WELCOME! [i:b9e79cd5e9]The Protector[/i:b9e79cd5e9] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:b9e79cd5e9][color=darkblue:b9e79cd5e9]EDITORIAL[/color:b9e79cd5e9][/size:b9e79cd5e9]

WHERE THE STANDARD EDITION OF THE KING JAMES BIBLE?

“Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.” (Jeremiah 15:16).

Often, people say that the 1769 Edition of the King James Bible is the one that is used today. This is incorrect. It is very difficult to find a Blayney 1769 Oxford Edition of the King James Bible. A few libraries around the world may have a copy, and they are probably in the hands of private collectors. There is no electronic copy or scan or facsimile that is readily available. The reality is that no edition of the King James Bible today actually is &quot;1769&quot;, and most of the time when people say so, they are wrong.

As for a &quot;1900&quot; edition, there is no known particular thing. The Pure Cambridge Edition is presented in a variety of copies dating from at least the 1920s to the present, and obviously, there is no exemplar copy (free from errata) from Cambridge or Collins. The only existing exemplar is the electronic text from the Bible Protector website, which at present stands as the most accurate and correct presentation of the King James Bible, regardless of any edition, in existence.

Now, in order to define &quot;correctness&quot;, one must first accept the authority of some sort. Either the printed edition of 1769 is the authority (which is ludicrous, since it is both rare and contained various slight errors), or some other edition, in this case, the consensus of the Pure Cambridge Edition, that is to say, the critically gathered corpus of various printed PCEs when taken in concert and their one and agreeing text identified and consequently freed from typographical errors in electronic form.

In other words, people said “the Cambridge Edition is best”, and the best time of the Bible in its historical printed dominion was around the 1950s. This, and other factors point to the Pure Cambridge Edition. Thus, a printed copy of the PCE (take, for example, any Cambridge Bible from the 1950s) will be identifiable by the following: http://www.bibleprotector.com/editions.htm But the Bible Protector digital electronic form of the PCE has it without any typographical error.

“Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.” (Isaiah 34:16).

[size=18:b9e79cd5e9][color=darkblue:b9e79cd5e9]NEWS[/color:b9e79cd5e9][/size:b9e79cd5e9]

The spirit case: an overview.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=428[/url]

Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:b9e79cd5e9][color=darkblue:b9e79cd5e9]DIRECTORY[/color:b9e79cd5e9][/size:b9e79cd5e9]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1615', '4956f8f89a', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;And there shall in no wise enter into it [the New Jerusalem] any thing that defileth, neither [i:4956f8f89a]whatsoever [/i:4956f8f89a]worketh abomination, or [i:4956f8f89a]maketh [/i:4956f8f89a]a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb\'s book of life.&quot; (Revelation 21:27).

Those that hold fast to modern versions - and particularly those who peddle them to the churches - seem to have a &quot;non-eternal&quot; perspective. This means that they do not think past this present life. For example, the may say now that they do not have the time to study or learn, so they need a &quot;simple&quot; or &quot;contemporary&quot; version.

God\'s perspective is this: &quot;[i:4956f8f89a]whatsoever[/i:4956f8f89a] ... [i:4956f8f89a]maketh[/i:4956f8f89a] a lie&quot; will not enter into the New Jerusalem. If we were to show this verse to a modern version peddler and then show errors in modern versions (of which there are many!), then would the peddlar think &quot;Oh! I must make sure that I\'m not part of that which maketh a lie.&quot;?

The King James Bible only believer is consistent and shows that consistent thinking in belief and action. The [b:4956f8f89a]whatsoever [/b:4956f8f89a](a modern version is a perfect example) will not enter into eternity, so only the pure things can.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1616', '04d0443720', 'Another Pure Cambridge Edition', 'I just happened upon what I think may be a PCE online edition.
http://www.ezreadbible.com/enkjv/a_ekjvbook.htm
*******
These folk claim to take it from Bible gateway 1987 edition.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1617', '5dda3df99b', 'God is faithful', '&quot;And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give [i:5dda3df99b]it [/i:5dda3df99b]you.&quot; (John 16:23)

God is faithful in answering prayer. It needs to be in line with His Will though. If it\'s in line with His Word, it\'s in accordance with His Will. Believe that you receive when you pray, and you\'ll see the manifestation, because of His faithfulness. Be consistent, ask God to help you to pray with wisdom, and He\'ll faithfully help you.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1618', '0f99af79f7', 'The Protector, 30 May 2010', '[img:0f99af79f7]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:0f99af79f7]

[color=red:0f99af79f7]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:0f99af79f7]

WELCOME! [i:0f99af79f7]The Protector[/i:0f99af79f7] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:0f99af79f7][color=darkblue:0f99af79f7]EDITORIAL[/color:0f99af79f7][/size:0f99af79f7]

ENSAMPLE AND EXAMPLE

When the Bible uses “example” or “ensample” is entirely accurate.

An “example” is an outward sample, while an “ensample” is one that can be internalised through specific personal knowledge of the object looked at.

“Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.” (Philippians 3:17).

Now, notice that sinners have sinners of ensamples:

“And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly” (2 Peter 2:6).

Also, Sodom is an example — not an ensample — to believers:

“Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” (Jude verse 7).

Importantly, Jesus is an example, because we are not called to die for the sins of the world, which means His is our example in His actions, but not in every last one of them literally:

“For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps” (1 Peter 2:21).

See http://www.bibleprotector.com/glistering_truths.pdf

[size=18:0f99af79f7][color=darkblue:0f99af79f7]NEWS[/color:0f99af79f7][/size:0f99af79f7]

The spirit case: an overview.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=428[/url]

Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:0f99af79f7][color=darkblue:0f99af79f7]DIRECTORY[/color:0f99af79f7][/size:0f99af79f7]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1619', '', 'Geba as a criterion for PCE; LCBP in Lansing', 'Hello,

Are there any King James Bibles out there which have
Geba in Ezra 2:26 but which are not Pure Cambridge Editions ?
I emailed Local Church Bible Publishers in Lansing and inquired
about some of the items in their catalogue concerning the spelling of
Geba/Gaba in Ezra 2:26 and I received the following email:

We do not carry the Pure Cambridge Bible.  There is someone in Australia
that does something with the Pure Cambridge, but I don\'t know of any
contact information I could give you.

This is what I have found in researching the Ezra 2:26 you asked about,

Geba~ 180, 180E3B, 355, 380, 151

Gaba~ 245, 190E3B, 390E3B, 265E3b, 300E3B

We do agree with you regarding the Bibles with Scofield notes,not all of
his notes are what we agree with.  However, there are many good notes.

May the Lord bless you,
Terry

I had bought 265E3B and 300E3B from them
which I now regret because of the Scofield notes
(I can confirm that these two items are indeed not PCE and have Gaba,
in accordance with what Terry says).

They seem to be a little slow responding but
anyway, has anyone bought one of the items

180, 180E3B, 355, 380, 151

from their catalogue to confirm
whether any of these are or are not PCE ?

Thanks,
Philipp');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1620', '29990eaa9d', 'God is faithful', '&quot;And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease [i:29990eaa9d]was [/i:29990eaa9d]exceeding [i:29990eaa9d]great[/i:29990eaa9d][i:29990eaa9d]:[/i:29990eaa9d] yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians. And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.&quot; (2 Chron. 16:12, 13)

This is significant. Whilst God is not against Christians going to the doctor, it is wrong to leave God out of the picture completely, like Asa did. He obviously did not have an understanding of the faithfulness of God. God declares Himself our Healer, and is faithful to fulfil His promises. Asa could have let the Lord help him, but instead closed himself off to God, with sad results. God works with us, and is faithful to help us, even if this involves a miracle if need be.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1621', 'fd61cb5939', '', 'Someone just told me that they bought #180 handsize cameo large print and it is PCE. I have one, and it is PCE.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1622', 'b43c0b09f7', 'The Protector, 6 June 2010', '[img:b43c0b09f7]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:b43c0b09f7]

[color=red:b43c0b09f7]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:b43c0b09f7]

WELCOME! [i:b43c0b09f7]The Protector[/i:b43c0b09f7] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:b43c0b09f7][color=darkblue:b43c0b09f7]EDITORIAL[/color:b43c0b09f7][/size:b43c0b09f7]

THE GREEK OLD TESTAMENT

By the time Jesus walked the Earth, the Old Testament had been translated into Greek. 

“And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,” ... (Luke 4:16, 17).

Notice that Jesus read to the Jews something which is recorded in Greek, and now translated into English. When Jesus spoke Hebrew, those Hebrew words are kept in the New Testament. When Paul spoke Hebrew, the book of Acts specifically mentions it. This is because Greek was the normal language of the day.

When someone taught or read Scripture to the common people, they did it in Greek. The latest cataloguing of copies of the Old Testament in Greek shows that we have actually some copies which are older than the time of Christ.

The following two verses are also proof that the Old Testament was not locked into Hebrew, but had already been translated by the First Century:

“For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” (Romans 15:4).

“But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith” (Romans 16:26).

That was written to the Church at Rome, which was mainly made up of Gentiles who did not speak Hebrew.

[size=18:b43c0b09f7][color=darkblue:b43c0b09f7]NEWS[/color:b43c0b09f7][/size:b43c0b09f7]

The spirit case: an overview.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=428[/url]

Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:b43c0b09f7][color=darkblue:b43c0b09f7]DIRECTORY[/color:b43c0b09f7][/size:b43c0b09f7]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1623', '8997c5356c', 'The Prosperous Church', 'A man\'s gift maketh room for him, and bringeth him before great men.&quot; (Proverbs 18:16).

It is clear that the giving of gifts can make room for prosperity in the righteous person\'s life. This verse is not referring to bribes but to the giving for a righteous cause, such as the extension of the Kingdom of God. &quot;The desire of the slothful killeth him; for his hands refuse to labour. He coveteth greedily all the day long: but the righteous giveth and spareth not.&quot; (Proverbs 21:25,26).

Giving by the righteous is a great key for a prosperous Church. &quot;Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.&quot; (1 Corinthians 16:2). It is clear that in this verse there is the assumption that God will prosper the righteous and that he can indeed &quot;lay by him in store&quot;. Without giving or sowing financially, there cannot be financial reaping or a harvest.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1625', '', 'cambridge cameo wide margin', 'Hello,

does anyone know whether the Cambridge Cameo
Wide Margin published in 2003 is a PCE or not ?
It is now out of print. They are going to rerelease cameos
later this year, but not wide-margins, I think.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1626', 'b866f2bdc2', '', 'I don\'t think the ones from after the early 90s are PCE.

I don\'t think the new Cameo will be PCE either (and it probably will be printed in Eastern Europe somewhere).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1627', '', 'complete lists of differences between the PCE and other edit', 'Hello, 

I recently bought several bibles which
do not have the PCE text, among them
-the Cambridge Concord Wide-Margin (KJ766XM),
-the Oxford Wide Margin Reference (W1794syx)
both are beautiful bibles.

Is there a way to determine a complete list containing all of the
exact differences between the PCE and these two editions ?

I found something on
http://forums.swordsearcher.com/showthread.php?t=668
but am not sure where the &quot;Concord&quot; text mentioned there
is the same as that of the Concord Wide-Margin.

If one had a text file on a computer of which one knew that
it matches the text of a given edition perfectly,
then it would probably be fairly easy to compare that text file
with the PCE text and compile a complete list of all of the
discrepancies. But I am not sure whether such 
text files are known and available for the two editions I mentioned.

Anyway, it would be useful to have complete lists
of all of the differences between the PCE text and the texts of some
of the other editions. Equipped with such a list for a given non-PCE KJB,
one could then note all the differences by pencil, for instance,
into that bible.

Thanks,
Philipp');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1628', 'aa494ab869', '', 'There is a quick list here:

http://www.bibleprotector.com/purecambridgeedition.htm

There is a comprehensive list here:

http://www.bibleprotector.com/editions.htm

The Concord Edition differences are listed on this forum, such as, 

Genesis 24:57 — — enquire — — inquire (etc. etc.) 
These have a possible different meaning. 
Exodus 23:23 — — the Hivites — — and the Hivites 
This is an English textual issue. 
Numbers 6:5 — — razor — — rasor (etc. etc.) 
These are spelling differences. 
2 Samuel 18:29 — — Is the — — Is the (“Is” is in italics). 
This is an italics difference. 
Ezra 2:26 — — Gaba — — Geba 
This is a spelling difference. 
Ezra 6:4 — — expenses — — expences (etc.) 
These are spelling differences. 
Isaiah 9:6 — — Counsellor — — Counseller (etc. etc.) 
These are spelling differences, but here the name of God is changed. 
Jeremiah 32:5 — — prosper. — — prosper? 
This is improper grammar. 
Ezekiel 47:3 — — ankles — — ancles (etc.) 
These are spelling differences. 
Mark 2:1 — — Capernaum after — — Capernaum, after 
This is a grammatical point. 
Acts 11:12 — — Spirit — — spirit 
This is a doctrinal issue. 
Acts 11:28 — — Spirit — — spirit 
This is a doctrinal issue. 
Romans 4:18 — — nations, according — — nations; according 
This is a grammatical point. 
1 Corinthians 15:27 — — saith all — — saith, all 
This is improper grammar. 
1 John 5:8 — — Spirit — — spirit 
This is a doctrinal issue.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1629', '', '', 'Thanks Matthew.

Do you know whether the 1950s Oxford (OE) 
coincides with the Oxford Wide Margin Reference (W1794syx) ?

Does the Cambridge Concord (CC) coincide with
the Cambridge Concord Wide-Margin (KJ766XM) ?

The Oxford Wide Margin Ref edition uses perhaps
the same text as the &quot;Brevier Clarendon Refs. W.M.&quot; text.

The Cambridge Wide-Margin refers to itself as 
the &quot;Concord 8vo Wide-Margin Edition&quot;.

For a small bible to carry around, wide-margins may not be
the best way to go, but I find that for a bigger bible at home
the wide margin format looks rather nice. 

Thanks,
Philipp');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1630', '91bd05c67c', 'What is faith?', 'If you are going to use your faith, it is vitally important to ensure that your words line up with the Bible. Words of doubt, fear and unbelief will undermine faith. Keeping our words in agreement with God\'s is a key factor to walking by faith.

&quot;Death and life [i:91bd05c67c]are [/i:91bd05c67c]in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.&quot; (Proverbs 18:21)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1631', 'f8d025ca1a', 'The Protector, 13 June 2010', '[img:f8d025ca1a]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:f8d025ca1a]

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[size=18:f8d025ca1a][color=darkblue:f8d025ca1a]EDITORIAL[/color:f8d025ca1a][/size:f8d025ca1a]

MODERN TRANSLATIONS OF THE SCRIPTURE ARE WRONG

Besides deleting various verses or words from Scripture, modern versions also change a lot of meanings.

The Scripture states, “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” (John 17:17).

The problem is that the modernists claim that they cannot get a perfect translation from the original languages into English.

The following terms are almost wholly absent from modern versions: “mercy seat”, “only begotten”, “propitiation”, “sanctification”, “carnal”, “chaste”, “concupiscence”, “covetousness”, “fornication”, “covetous” and “tribulation”.

The following are terms which are far more often in the King James Bible than modern versions, “reconcile”, “unrighteousness”, “sanctify”, “filthy”, “lust”, “ordained” and “ungodly”.

There is an obvious pattern going on here. Concepts and weakened and altered by modern versions. Doctrines are undermined. This is because the whole nature of modern versions is against the working of God, who was faithful to deliver His Word wholly and perfectly.

“Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.” (2 Thess. 2:15).

“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” (Jude verse 3).

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In order to see some of the differences between editions, look at www.bibleprotector.com/editions.htm — a new feature has been added to this page allowing for quick viewing of Bible verses and for looking at the Pure Cambridge Edition online on Brandon Stagg’s website.

Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
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Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

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Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1632', '88445a7ad8', '', 'The Oxford Wide Margin Ref edition uses perhaps the same text as the &quot;Brevier Clarendon Refs. W.M.&quot; text. = OE

The Cambridge Wide-Margin refers to itself as the &quot;Concord 8vo Wide-Margin Edition&quot;. = CC');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1633', '', '', 'Thanks Matthew.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1634', '7ddcfba17a', 'Luke 14:5 &quot;an ASS, a SON, or a SHEEP&quot;?', 'Luke 14:5 “an ass” or “a son” or “a sheep”?

Luke 14:5 - KJB - “And (Jesus) answered them, saying, Which of you shall have AN ASS or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?”

NIV, RSV, NASB - “Then he asked them, &quot;If one of you has A SON or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull him out?&quot;

Whiston’s Primitive New Testament 1745 - “And said unto them, Which of you shall have A SHEEP or an ox fallen into a pit on the sabbath-day and will not straightway pull him out?” (Manuscript D actually reads “a SHEEP” or an ox)

Let’s see....AN ASS, A SHEEP or A SON?  Yep, pretty close in meaning, right?  What is going on here?  Well, as usual, the so called “oldest and best Greek manuscripts” are once again in disagreement with each other and the scholars can’t seem to make up their minds which reading God inspired.  Sinaiticus reads as does the KJB with “an ASS or an ox”, while Vaticanus has “a SON or an ox” and Mss. D reads “a SHEEP or an ox”, and the bible versions are all over the board.

The reading found in the King James Bible of “an ASS or an ox” is that found in Wycliffe 1380, 1395, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, Cranmer’s bible 1539, the Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1557-1602, the Douay-Rheims 1582, the KJB 1611, Wesley 1755, the Revised Version of 1881, and American Standard Version of 1901, the Douay Version 1950, the New English Bible 1970, New Berkeley Version 1969, New Life Bible 1969, Webster’s 1833, Darby 1890, Young’s 1898, the Bible in Basic English 1961, the NKJV 1982, KJV 21st Century 1994, and the Third Millenium Bible 1998.

However, beginning with the liberal RSV in 1952 they began to follow the Vaticanus mss.(even though Sinaiticus reads AN ASS and both the RV and the ASV kept that reading) and changed the text from “an ass” to “a son”.  This was then followed by the NRSV, NASB, NIV, ESV, Holman Standard, the Message and Wallace’s NET version.

As usual, the Catholic versions are in a state of constant change.  The 1582 Douay-Rheims as well as the 1950 Douay read “an ASS or an ox”, but then changed to “A SON or an ox” in the 1969 Jerusalem bible, the 1970 St. Joseph New American Bible and the 1985 New Jerusalem bible.  However in the brand new 2009 The Sacred Bible Catholic Public Domain Version they have once again gone back to read “an ASS or an ox”.

Foreign language Bibles that read ASS

Jerome’s Vulgate 382 A.D., Vulgate 405, Clementine Vulgate 2005 - “vestrum ASINUS aut bos in puteum cadet”

Anglo-Saxon Gospels, mss. 140 circa 1000 A.D, and mss. 38 circa 1200 A.D. - “eowres ASSA odde oxa befealp on anne pytt”

Las Sagradas Escrituras 1569, Spanish Reina Valera 1909, 1960, 1995, Spanish Reina Valera Gomez 2004 - “¿Quién de vosotros, si su ASNO o su buey cae en algún pozo, no lo saca inmediatamente, aunque sea sábado?”

Italian Diodati 1649, and the Nuevo Diodati 1991 - “Poi, rispondendo loro disse: «Chi di voi se il suo ASINO o bue cade in un pozzo, non lo tira subito fuori in giorno di sabato?”

Portuguese - O Livro 2000 - “Se o vosso JUMENTO (an ass or donkey) ou o vosso boi cair numa cova, não tratam logo de o tirar? “

French - La Bible de Geneva 1669, French Martin 1744, and the French Ostervald 1996 - Puis il leur dit: Qui de vous, si son ANE  (ASS) ou son bœuf tombe dans un puits, ne l\'en retire aussitôt le jour de sabbat?”

German Luther 1545, Schlachter 1951 - “Und antwortete und sprach zu ihnen: Welcher ist unter euch, dem sein Ochse oder ESEL (an ASS) in den Brunnen fällt, und er nicht alsbald ihn herauszieht am Sabbattage?”

Russian Synodal Version, Chinese Union Traditional bible and the Modern Greek N.T. used in the Greek Orthodox churches all over the world.

What we see once again is the total confusion of the modern versionists, and their so called “oldest and best manusripts” (Sinaiticus and Vaticanus) differ from each other thousands of times, and the “scholars” who put together today’s conflicting Bible of the Month Club versions keep changing their minds with practically every new version to come down the pike.

Stick with the time tested King James Bible and you will never go wrong.

Will Kinney');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1635', '53f8e19066', 'Confusion', 'Thanks Will.

The observation can be made that this type of confusion is not just an isolated case (though this would be enough to discredit modern versions) but happens constantly throughout the modern version abominations.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1636', '6d3aa59007', 'Our covenant with God', '&quot;Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.&quot; (Romans 15:13).

God wants us to take comfort in the fact that we have a covenant with Him, and that He is faithful. He is the God of our hope, and this hope is based on the Bible, so as the Word says,

&quot;And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.&quot; (Romans 5:5). You won\'t be ashamed or let down when your hope is in Him.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1637', '629c8d2b46', 'The Protector, 20 June 2010', '[img:629c8d2b46]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:629c8d2b46]

[color=red:629c8d2b46]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:629c8d2b46]

WELCOME! [i:629c8d2b46]The Protector[/i:629c8d2b46] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:629c8d2b46][color=darkblue:629c8d2b46]EDITORIAL[/color:629c8d2b46][/size:629c8d2b46]

THOSE WHO RESIST ARE NOT HEROIC

In the 1850s, huge amounts of gold were discovered in Victoria, Australia, leading to people from around the world camping out in the Australian bush, panning and mining for the precious metal.

In 1854, a largely Roman Catholic element was agitating insurrection against the dominant Protestant government. They built a stockade out of logs and wagon wheels, collected weapons, and defied the authorities by burning their mining licences.

In the modern day, these actions are held up in popular culture as heroic. Of course, there is nothing heroic about such a foolish stand against the government. There was nothing overtly Biblical in what the insurrectionists were agitating for (e.g. to abolish taxes, etc.).

The Scripture in fact states, “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.” (Romans 13:1, 2).

Again, for those who think that the Eureka Stockade and their rebels’ flag is anything good, the Scripture says, “Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.” (Romans 13:7).

The obvious anti-British, anti-Protestant and anti-Biblical bias of the modern historians comes through in their editorialised presentation of history.

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The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

In order to see some of the differences between editions, look at www.bibleprotector.com/editions.htm — a new feature has been added to this page allowing for quick viewing of Bible verses and for looking at the Pure Cambridge Edition online on Brandon Stagg’s website.

Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

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Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1638', '', '', 'I recently saw a bible by TBS which
had &quot;Geba&quot; in Ezra 2:26 but &quot;Spirit&quot; in 1 John 5:8.

So one shouldn\'t only look up Ezra 2:26 to determine
whether a given edition is PCE or not.

With regard to Local Church Bible Publishers,
#180 is a PCE Bible ( I think they use the same text no 
matter whether you get 180 in vinyl or goatskin etc).

I have emailed them to investigate which of their bibles
are PCE and Terry, their secretary, is doing that and
will let me know.

I recently bought two copies of their &quot;Green Bible&quot; (#175)
which someone on youtube 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbcQbUaJ304) 
claimed to be PCE but it\'s not.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1639', '05feda6372', '', 'There are twelve passages which are used to test whether a Bible is PCE. That is not including the Geba 2:26 test, which also would true along with the 12 tests. The twelve tests are listed all over this website:

http://www.bibleprotector.com/purecambridgeedition.htm');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1640', 'dfae4051b3', '', 'Here is a new video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvRqWHfvyNE');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1641', '1e548aac54', 'The Epistle Dedicatory and The Translators to the Reader', 'Study of the King James Bible translators\' Epistle to the King and Address to the Reader.

http://www.bibleprotector.com/prefatory_materials.pdf');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1642', '158dc9d496', 'The translation of the saints', 'It is important to see that the second coming of Christ is as surely a coming historical event as was the first coming.

Biblical notes from a sermon I preached recently:

Christ is coming again.  by Craig Savige

1.	He is coming again.

John 6:40-51 &quot;I... came down from heaven&quot;	

John 14:1-3 &quot;I will come again, and receive you unto myself&quot;	

Acts 1:9-12 &quot;this same Jesus... shall so come in like manner&quot;	

Rev. 19:9-21 &quot;in righteousness he doth judge and make war&quot;	

Mark 13:26,27,32-37 &quot;the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey&quot;

Matt. 24:3	&quot;what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?&quot; Note: the END of the world is at His coming.
Listen to sermon “Deception in the end times”.

Matt. 24:26-28 &quot;as the lightning... the coming of the Son of man&quot;	

Matt. 24:29-31 &quot;the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven&quot;	

Zech. 14:1-4, 9 &quot;his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives&quot;	
Zech. 12:9-11 &quot;I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem&quot;	

Zech. 14:12,15 &quot;the plague wherewith the LORD will smite&quot;	

Jude 14,15	 &quot;the Lord cometh... to execute judgment&quot;	

Rev. 14:14-20 &quot;the great winepress of the wrath of God&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1643', '2c1b858f99', 'The Protector, 27 June 2010', '[img:2c1b858f99]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:2c1b858f99]

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[size=18:2c1b858f99][color=darkblue:2c1b858f99]EDITORIAL[/color:2c1b858f99][/size:2c1b858f99]

PENTECOSTALISM AND THE BIBLE VERSION ISSUE

In the 1980s, a complete transformation had taken place in Australian Pentecostal Churches. In 1980 most used the King James Bible. By 1990 most did not.

Why the change? One reason, and it is completely superficial, is pride. Growing up in a modernist Pentecostal assembly, I noticed how much prestige or respect was given to the latest trends. Whether it was mentoring, networking, internet access, clothing fashions, new books, etc. Every movement that came along was embraced with misguided enthusiasm (e.g. the laughing so-called “revival”), old things were continually attacked.

When there was a trend away from the King James Bible, doubtless it happened almost without a protest. When the “New Century Version” came along, that was upheld as “cool” and “popular”. Then “The Message” modern version came along, and that became the in thing.

This pervading worldliness among the modern Pentecostalists makes those who stand for Traditional Pentecostalism look very different indeed. It is no wonder that the modernists seek to give the left foot of fellowship to those who want to uphold the King James Bible, and brand them with various names.

The Scripture says, “Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.” (Matthew 5:11). A whole portion of those who profess to be “filled with the Spirit” are the same who have taken up an enemy position to God and the remnant of true believers.

The majority of modern Pentecostalists are saying, “We don’t need the King James Bible any more”. They even implying that to use the King James Bible is to go against the Holy Spirit (read: their spirit, which is of this world), and their idols go so far as to make veiled, and not so veiled threats to those ministries who do not conform to their supposed liberality (i.e. as if to focus on the King James Bible is a bondage, etc.)

“Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought” (1 Corinthians 2:6).

ANSWERING ANTI-KING JAMES BIBLE ONLY QUESTIONS

PART 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MbEHBkJK1c
PART 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiUCeMzY5cQ 

[size=18:2c1b858f99][color=darkblue:2c1b858f99]NEWS[/color:2c1b858f99][/size:2c1b858f99]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

In order to see some of the differences between editions, look at www.bibleprotector.com/editions.htm — a new feature has been added to this page allowing for quick viewing of Bible verses and for looking at the Pure Cambridge Edition online on Brandon Stagg’s website.

Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1644', '150af9979c', 'KJB Only and Pentecostalism', 'Bibleprotector (Matthew Verschuur) makes some very good comments concerning the modernist Pentecostals and how far they have strayed from their original mission. See http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=447

We have personally seen so-called youth pastors become atheists because of this trend. Modern version adherence is a symptom of wordly compromise. &quot;And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.&quot; (Romans 12:2). Of course, the [b:150af9979c]perfect[/b:150af9979c] will of God is found perfectly in the [b:150af9979c]perfect King James Bible[/b:150af9979c].');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1645', '6416320bc9', 'Hearing God', '&quot;That I may come unto you with joy by the will of God, and may with you be refreshed.&quot; (Romans 15:32)

To be quiet before God, and to actively listen to Him leads to being refreshed in our spirit, soul and body. The more we attend to God\'s Word, the more refreshed we are in doing God\'s will. If God is not listened to, a Christian\'s thinking will become more worldly - the opposite of being refreshed, which is not something God wants for us. God wants to strengthen us daily.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1646', 'df82e56cf5', 'The Protector, 4 July 2010', '[img:df82e56cf5]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:df82e56cf5]

[color=red:df82e56cf5]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:df82e56cf5]

WELCOME! [i:df82e56cf5]The Protector[/i:df82e56cf5] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:df82e56cf5][color=darkblue:df82e56cf5]EDITORIAL[/color:df82e56cf5][/size:df82e56cf5]

OLIVER CROMWELL AND THE KING JAMES BIBLE

Two days before his seventeenth birthday, that is, on April 23rd, 1616, Oliver Cromwell was in Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge. The master of the College was none other than Dr Samuel Ward, one of the translators of the King James Bible. As a Puritan, he attracted the disapproval of Laud. He had the reputation of being a strict disciplinarian, and the College under his rule was distinguished above others by the correctness of its manners.

Subsequent biographers have noted that Oliver Cromwell frequently alluded to and quoted the Bible: “The ‘Authorised Version’ of James I, from which Cromwell appears always to quote”. This is highly important, since the King James Bible was printed in 1611, some four years before Cromwell went to Cambridge University, yet such was the influence of that Bible, and we can deduce, the general influence of Dr Ward’s reputation, that it became Cromwell’s own Bible. It is likely that the Geneva Version was before then favoured, used and known by Oliver Cromwell.

Cromwell not only supported the printing of the King James Bible at Cambridge, but one of his oldest friends was William Kilburne, who wrote a pamphlet in 1659 entitled “Dangerous Errors in several late Printed Bibles to the great scandal and corruption of sound and true religion.” This pamphlet not only stood for the King James Bible, but for the Cambridge printing of it, contending by implication that it contained “Every word of God” (Proverbs 30:5a).

“O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.” (Psalm 119:97).

You can find a picture of Oliver Cromwell, and view many resources on the King James Bible at www.bibleprotector.com

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The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Answering Anti-King James Bible Only Questions:
PART 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MbEHBkJK1c
PART 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiUCeMzY5cQ 

Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

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Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

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Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1647', '9d00251f6b', 'What is faith?', '&quot;Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:&quot; (1 Tim. 1:19).

The Scripture shows us that faith and a good conscience go together. If our hearts are smiting or condemning us, for example in relation to an unrepentant sin, it will undermine our confidence before God and thereby our faith. When a good conscience is neglected, faith can become shipwrecked, as the Scripture shows. So it\'s vitally important to keep our hearts clean before God, quickly seek forgiveness if we\'ve transgressed, and seek to walk in holiness before God, which He\'ll help us to do when we rely on Him.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1648', '69a15defbe', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'I recently read on a modernist bible forum the following: &quot;For me, I believe it is up to each believer to interpret the Scripture.&quot;

This statement shows how tragically the modernists have left the firm foundation of God\'s Word. It completely goes against: &quot;Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.&quot; (2 Peter 1:20). Yet, modernists have split away from firm foundations into this very dangerous ground of private [whatever it means to me!] interpretation of Scripture.

&quot;In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.&quot; (Judges 17:6). Modernist version users should be reminded of this Scripture, which tells us that private interpretation rejects the idea of an overall authority.

Modernists have linked into lust of what suits them. &quot;For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.&quot; (1 John 2:16).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1649', '0604b9300d', 'The Protector, 11 July 2010', '[img:0604b9300d]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:0604b9300d]

[color=red:0604b9300d]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:0604b9300d]

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[size=18:0604b9300d][color=darkblue:0604b9300d]EDITORIAL[/color:0604b9300d][/size:0604b9300d]

CANON AND THE CHURCH

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16).

People rightly believe that the Scripture was given by inspiration. But through the early centuries of Christianity there was an issue: what exactly was Scripture?

There are plenty of books which existed which are not part of the Bible, but which seemed like Scripture. These false books did not survive, and are not part of the Bible.

1. Christians accepted the true books of the Bible because they recognised that they were inspired.

2. Christians not only accepted the books when they appeared, but over the years, to the present time.

3. The correct books were widespread, used in various places, and having sufficient copies being made available.

These three points mean that Christian ministry, Christian discernment and proper tradition are important factors linking to Scripture.

It was not “inspiration” that led the Christians in the Reformation to accept the 27 books of the New Testament. Interestingly, the books are in a structured order. This is no coincidence. Yet, no one can claim “inspiration” for the order of the books in the Canon. The reason why they are in a certain order is not because of the date they were written, or how important they were, or any other reason other than that God has worked in the Church to accomplish His ends.

“... the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.” (1 Timothy 3:15b).

If we accept the Canon of books of the Bible as correct, then there is no different between this and accepting that ONE Bible Version and Translation is entirely correct.

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The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Answering Anti-King James Bible Only Questions:
PART 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MbEHBkJK1c
PART 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiUCeMzY5cQ 

Various resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

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Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1650', '424596b904', 'What Muslims are saying about our Bible', 'http://brandplucked.webs.com/muslimsandthebible.htm

What Muslims are saying about our Bible
 
“How can Christians say The Bible is the infallible words of God when it has been changed so many times and there are so many contradictory versions?  The Quran has never been changed.”
 
At one of the Bible clubs on Facebook where we were discussing the various Bible versions and how different they are, I mentioned how the Muslims have many articles on the internet where they criticize the Bible as being corrupt and full of errors and contradictions. One of the members was not aware of this, so I decided to document some of what I have seen on the internet the last few years.
 
#1.  Ex Harvard Divinity School graduate and former preacher says texts of Bible have been corrupted and changed, and is now a Muslim.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOZSrPF5GNo
 
30 minute video.  At 8 minutes into the interview, he begins to talk about how there have been many changes in the Bible texts that raise “serious, serious questions” about the Fundamental beliefs of Christianity that affect the Trinity, the Sonship of Jesus, the crucifixion of Jesus, the atonement and the blood.  He says that he learned all these things in Seminary and that after graduation half of his class then left the Christian ministry.
 
Both Muslims refer favorably to Dr. Bart Ehrman, who himself says he was once a “born again Christian”, but then studied Textual Criticism under Bruce Metzger and now calls himself  “a happy agnostic”.  Bart Ehrman has written several books like “Misquoting Jesus” and is now going around the country to many universities and giving talks about how the Bible is a man made invention full of errors and textual corruptions.
 
(My note: I have read Bart Ehrman’s book and also written an article that examines his claims about the New Testament and  his “happy agnosticism” - You can see it here if you like: 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/misquotjesusbartehrma.htm )

#2 Here is a Muslim site by Osama Abdallah which has many articles that “prove” the Bible is corrupt and contradictory.
 
http://www.angelfire.com/bug/answering/contra.htm
 
One of his articles is of special interest.  It is called “All Versions are NOT saying the same thing!”  
 
http://www.angelfire.com/bug/answering/bible_translations.htm
 
This Muslim states: “This chart is by no means complete.
Most Christians recognize the New World Translation (NWT - Jehovah\'s Witness Bible) for the corrupt work it is. What most Christians don\'t recognize is the same corruption in their own &quot;Christian&quot; bibles!
 
Then he lists about 25 different verses taken from the King James Bible, the NIV, NASB and the New World translation and lays them down side by side to show how different they are.  (My note: he could have listed hundreds more - http://brandplucked.webs.com/biblebabel1.htm)
 
#3.   At another huge Muslim site called Muslim Awareness, in their article titled Textual Reliability/Accuracy of the New Testament - (you can see it here - http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/Text/Bibaccuracy.html#3

They factually explode the often quoted statement by textual critic Bruce Metger and repeated by most modern version promoters that “The N.T. text is 99.5% authenticated”. 
 
(My Note: This false claim of 99.5% the same for all New Testament versions IS false.  In this instance the Muslim scholars are being more truthful than the modern day Evangelicals.  Here is the proof -
http://brandplucked.webs.com/arebibles995same.htm )
 
In their Conclusion at Islamic Awareness they state:  “We can see that the modern day textual critics portray a very different set of statistics quite contrary to the over-hyped claims of the missionaries and apologists. The Alands, discussing the differences between seven popular critical editions of the New Testament, excluding orthographic differences and differences of only one word, calculate that 62.9% of the verses of the entire New Testament are in agreement with each other. Similarly, if we look at the statistics for the gospels, we find that there is a 54.5% agreement. If we look at the textual &quot;certainty&quot; of the United Bible Societies\' The Greek New Testament, a text which is based on the decisions of a committee, the result is close to 83.5%. There is no mention of 99.5% agreement here. In a twist of irony further compounding the foolishness of the missionaries\' and apologists\' position, the Bibles they use (normally the NIV version) are based on the very same critical editions of the New Testament by the very same people who have calculated the above percentages!”
 
(My note: At our Which Version club a member asked me if I really believed these statistics by the Alands, etc.  Well, Yes.  That is what they say as can be seen here where they discuss the Greek New Testament (it is NOT a Muslim site) - 
http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Novum_Testamentum_Graece#Accuracy_of_the_New_Testament
 
In &quot;The Text Of The New Testament&quot;, Kurt Aland and Barbara Aland compare the total number of variant-free verses, and the number of variants per page (excluding orthographic errors), among the seven major editions of the Greek NT (Tischendorf, Westcott-Hort, von Soden, Vogels, Merk, Bover and Nestle-Aland) concluding 62.9% agreement.” - K. Aland and B. Aland, &quot;The Text of the New Testament: An Introduction to the Critical Editions &amp; to the Theory &amp; Practice of Modern Textual Criticism&quot;, 1995, op. cit., p. 29-30.
 
(My note: And then they call this 62.9% “an amazing agreement among the Greek texts, greater than the textual scholars would have suspected.”!!!
And even then the Alands did not include the Trinitarian Bible Society Greek text by Scrivener that shows the Greek text that underlies the King James Bible.  If they had included it in their comparison study, the textual agreement would be much less than their 62.9%.)
 
 #4. At another Muslim site, in an article titled &quot;Answers to a Muslim Critic&quot; a man named Khaled answers a professing convert to Christianity
 
 http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Khaled/muslim_critic.htm
 
&quot;Since all these different versions of Bibles on the earth today do not agree with each other - does this mean, that they are accusing each other of being &quot;suspect of corruption&quot;?
 
The preface to one of the most accurately translated Bibles (Revised Standard Version) says on the second page, &quot;Yet, the King James Version has grave defects.&quot; - That is definitely accusation of being &quot;suspect of corruption.&quot;
 
The Catholic Bible (based on the Latin Vulgate of the fourth century) has 73 books, while the Protestant Bible (one thousand years later) only has 66 books. One of them (or both?) is obviously corrupt. Which one? The new one (66 books)? Or the old one (73 books)?
 
The scholars of the Old Testament state very clear in all of their works, they no longer have the original documents penned by any prophet, (peace be upon them all). So the scholars of Old Testament claim they do not have the exact texts and they also state clearly there many are different versions. Does this mean they are accusing the Old Testament of being &quot;suspect and it should not be accepted as authentic testimony&quot;?
 
***[my note - I think this Muslim is referring to Jeremiah 8:8 as found in several modern versions. Not to the King James Bible translation of this verse. &quot;the pen of the scribes is in vain&quot; The KJB got it right. Many modern versions do not. See my article on this here:
http://brandplucked.webs.com/jeremiah88penscribes.htm

The Muslim continues: &quot;Scholars of New Testament state without doubt, they do not possess the actual texts of any of Jesus\' (peace be upon him) companions - and no one has ever claimed to have anything written by Jesus or even anything recited by him. Does this not indicate &quot;suspect and it should not be accepted as authentic testimony&quot;?
 
 What do you say about the Bible? Do you claim it is suspect and should not be accepted as authentic testimony? Or do you claim you have the original? Or do you even know what language the Bible came in originally?... According to your own words, by your own standards, the Bible has been accused and is suspect by experts and therefore, you have nothing to offer at all.
 
#5. At another Muslim site called &quot;Answering Christianity&quot; this Muslim writer  says: http://www.answering-christianity.com/warning.htm
&quot; What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth?
 
First of all, it is important to know that if the &quot;Bibles&quot; of today, with all their versions and differences in the quantity of their &quot;books&quot; and &quot;gospels&quot;, were in fact the Original Holy Word of GOD Almighty, then there would be no need for the Noble Quran.  But since they are corrupt, then we obviously can\'t consider them as GOD Almighty\'s Holy and Divine Words.
 
 The Noble Quran came to confirm Truth that exists in the Manuscripts in the different canons and to filter out Truth from falsehood in them.  Allah Almighty never claimed that the bible is fully and 100% Divine.  Islam is a witness on the Bible.  It filters out the truth from falsehood and corruption in the Bible.  The Noble Quran only recognizes the Bible as a HISTORY BOOK with errors and man\'s alteration in it.  Anything that agrees 100% with Islam is valid, and anything else that has even the slightest disagreement with Islam is discarded.&quot;

#6  And on a less formal level, you will find many Muslim blogs on the internet that proclaim the Bible has been corrupted.  Here is one such blog by a  Muslim man names Ahajahan Ahmed
 
http://shajahanahmed.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/why-muslims-use-the-corrupted-bible-as-evidence-to-disprove-christianity/
 
Abdullah Says:
 
January 29, 2010 at 6:37 am
“It is a fact that the Bible is corrupt, Christian scholars have been saying so for hundreds of years and yet they have no problem to use verses of the Bible to justify their theology.”
 
Abdullah Says:
 
January 29, 2010 at 6:33 pm
“No, Christian scholars have been saying that the text contains errors, contradictions, alterations and unintelligible verses. Moreover, we know this to be true because we read the Bible. Only the blind cannot see.”  

(End of comments made by Muslims and their beliefs about how The Bible has been corrupted.”)

The Infallibility of the Scriptures and the absolute truthfulness of The Bible is under attack today like at no other time in history.  What has changed is that it is no longer just the Atheists, the Skeptics, the Muslims and other Bible bashers that are claiming that there is no such thing as a complete, inspired and 100% true Holy Bible in any language, but most professing Christians as well.  
 
I and many others Christians believe God HAS GIVEN us “the book of the LORD” that is 100% true and it is in the end time universal language of English, and more specifically, the King James Holy Bible.

By His grace, believing The Book, 
 
“He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”  Matthew 11:15
 
Will Kinney

Further Reading
 
For those who want to learn more about whether or not we have a complete, inspired and 100% true Holy Bible called the King James Holy Bible,  you may be interested in the following articles:
 
Are you a Bible believer or a Bible agnostic?
http://brandplucked.webs.com/biblebelieveragnostic.htm
 
“Is King James Bible onlyism Scriptural?”
http://brandplucked.webs.com/kjbonlyismscriptural.htm
 
All modern versions like the NASB, NIV, RSV, ESV, NET, Holman Standard etc. often reject the Hebrew texts, and not even in the same places 
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/nivnasbrejecthebrew.htm
and
http://brandplucked.webs.com/nivnasbrejecthebrew2.htm
 
“No Doctrines are Changed?” in the modern versions
http://brandplucked.webs.com/nodoctrinechanged.htm
 
“The Oldest and the Best Manuscripts?” upon which most modern versions like the NASB, NIV, ESV, NET, Holman Standard are based
http://brandplucked.webs.com/oldestandbestmss.htm
 
“The so called “science” of Textual Criticism”
http://brandplucked.webs.com/scienceoftextcrit.htm');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1651', '60ca309252', 'Atheists as well.', 'Thanks Will, this is very good and relevant.

The atheists are also using the same arguments. There is a U-Tube video where an atheist atttacks the Bible on the basis of the modern versions and their inconsistencies (I won\'t post its url because of the profane language it contains).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1652', '8abf17f59e', 'Online PCE', 'http://web.mac.com/onlinebible/Bible/KJVPCE/KJVPCE.html

You can see a pdf, mac encoding and plain text copies at that site.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1653', 'f9cf35244f', 'What Muslims are saying about our Bible', 'Hi brother.  Hopefully things like what Muslims and atheists are pointing out about the very different and conflicting bible versions will begin to make an impact on the bible agnostics and some of them will re-examine what it is they really believe about God\'s Book and reconsider the King James Bible.

Only God can turn things around.

Will K');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1654', 'f71fe7fb4a', 'What about that archaic word &quot;prevent&quot;?', 'What about that archaic word “prevent”?
 
1 Thessalonians 4:15 “For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not PREVENT them which are asleep.”
 
In the context of this verse, the word “prevent” means “to come before” or “to precede”.  Even those who criticize the “archaic” language of the King James Bible know that this was the meaning of the word in 1611.
 
The word &quot;to prevent&quot; can have the meaning of “to come before, or,  to precede.”
 
Let’s look at some English dictionaries to find the origin and meaning of this word and how it has evolved over time.  
 
The English dictionaries all tell us that the word “pre-vent” comes from the Latin, as does much of the English language. It is made up of two words; “pre” meaning “before” and “venire” meaning “to come”.  Thus it literally means “to come before another”.
 
Theologians still refer to “the prevenient grace of God”.  The word “prevenient” is not an archaic word.  Look it up in the dictionary.  It means: 1. going before; preceding; hence 2. anticipating; expectant. 3. antecedent to human action: as, prevenient grace.
We can see both the original use and its later development when we talk about things like “using preventive measures” or “preventive medicine”.  We “come before” or “do something first” in order to hinder or thwart certain outcomes.
 
Webster’s 1828 dictionary.  To prevent: 1. TO GO BEFORE; TO PRECEDE. 
 
“I prevented the dawning of the morning, and cried.” Psalm 119:147
 
2. TO PRECEDE, as something unexpected or unsought.
 
“The days of my affliction prevented me.” Job.30:27
 
3. TO GO BEFORE, TO PRECEDE; to favor by anticipation or by hindering distress or evil.
 
“The God of my mercy shall prevent me.” Psalm 59:10
 
Prevent us, O Lord, in all our doings, with thy most gracious favor.
 
4. To anticipate.
 
Their ready guilt preventing thy commands.
 
5. To preoccupy; to pre-engage; to attempt first.
 
Thou hast prevented us with overtures of love.
 
6. TO HINDER; TO OBSTRUCT;  to intercept the approach or access of. No foresight or care will prevent every misfortune. Religion supplies consolation under afflictions which cannot be prevented. It is easier to prevent an evil than to remedy it.
 
The Oxford English dictionary continues to list “to come before, to precede” as one of the meanings of the word “to prevent” and doesn’t even label it as being “archaic”.
 
Webster’s New World Dictionary 1960
To prevent: prae - before + venire, to come.  1. formerly, a) TO ACT IN ANTICIPATION OF AN EVENT or a fixed time. b) to anticipate a desire, want, objection, etc.). c) to anticipate in action. d) TO PRECEDE.  e) to forestall; balk; frustrate.   2.  to stop or keep from doing something.  3.  to keep from happening; make impossible by prior action; hinder.
 
 The American Heritage Dictionary of 1993 as well as the latest online edition:
 
1. To keep from happening: took steps to prevent the strike.
2.To keep (someone) from doing something; impede: prevented us from winning.
3. Archaic TO ANTICIPATE or counter in advance.
4. Archaic TO COME BEFORE; PRECEDE.
 
The English word “to prevent” meaning “to come before, to precede” is still found in English translations until fairly modern times.  It is found in the 1936 Jewish translation of the Hebrew Publishing Company in places like Psalm 51:10 - “The God of my mercy shall PREVENT me: God shall let me see my desire upon mine enemies.”; “...let thy tender mercies speedily PREVENT us; for we are brought very low.”
 
 The 1950 Douay Version continues to use the word “prevent” in this way in such places as: “...the days of affliction have PREVENTED me.” Job 30:27; “the snares of death PREVENTED me”...”They PREVENTED me in the day of my affliction”  Psalm 18:5, 18; “For thou hast PREVENTED him with blessings of sweetness” Psalm 21:3;  “...his mercy shall PREVENT me” Psalm 59:10, and other places like Psalm 79:8, and Psalm 88:13 “and in the morning my prayer shall PREVENT thee.”
 
 The 1950 Douay reads like the KJB in Psalm 119:147-148, &quot;I PREVENTED the dawning of the morning, and cried; I hoped in thy word, Mine eyes PREVENT the night watches, that I might meditate in thy word.&quot;
 
The English Revised Version came out in 1885 and it continued to use the word “prevent” in the sense of “to come before; to precede” in such places as: Psalm 59:10 - “The God of my mercy shall PREVENT me: God shall let me see [my desire] upon mine enemies. “; Psalm 79:8 - “Remember not against us the iniquities of our forefathers: let thy tender mercies speedily PREVENT us: for we are brought very low.” and Amos 9:10 - “All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor PREVENT us.”
 
The Douay-Rheims version reads as does the King James Bible in 1 Thessalonians 4:15 - “For this we say unto you in the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who remain unto the coming of the Lord, shall not PREVENT them who have slept.”
 
 The Geneva Bible of 1599 and 1602 often uses the word “prevent” meaning “to come before, to anticipate, to precede”.  Here are just a few examples: Psalm 119:147 - “I PREVENTED the morning light, and cried: for I waited on thy word.”; Psalm 18:18 - “They PREVENTED me in the day of my calamitie: but the Lord was my stay.”; Psalm 59:10 - “My mercifull God will PREVENT me: God wil let me see my desire vpon mine enemies.” And 1 Thessalonians 4:15 - “For this say we vnto you by the worde of the Lorde, that we which liue, and are remayning in the comming of the Lorde, shall not PREVENT them which sleepe.”
 
Also using the word “prevent” (besides the Geneva Bible) in 1 Thessalonians 4:15 and in many other places are the Bishops’ Bible 1568,  the Douay Rheims 1582,  and Whiston’s Primitive N.T. 1745 - “For this say we vnto you in the worde of the Lorde, that we whiche lyue, remayning vnto the comyng of the Lord, shall not PREUENT them which sleepe.”And when he was come into the house, Jesus PREVENTED him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?”
 
Coverdale 1535, the Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1599, the Douay-Rheims, Mace’s N.T. 1729, and John Wesley’s N.T. translation 1755 ALL used the word “prevent” in the same way the King James Bible does in Matthew 17:25 -  “And when he was come into the house, Jesus PREVENTED (anticipated) him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?” 

&quot;The word can mean a &quot;pre-event&quot;, something that happens before something else, and it is used in this way in 1 Thessalonians 4:15. &quot;For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (precede, come before, a pre-event) them which are asleep.&quot;
 
Even when others criticize this word, they know what it means. It is easy to just explain the meaning of the word in this context, then you understand it, and let it stand as is in the King James Bible. Young people and students learn hundreds of new vocabulary words at school and pick up new meanings for old words with their use of slang.  Why not apply these same learning skills to the most important Book on this earth - the Holy Bible.
 
What is the alternative?  Update a few archaic words in the KJB?  Who is going to do it?  At what point do you stop “updating” it?  Are you going to do away with all those “thee”s and “ye”s, even though they are far more accurate to the underlying Hebrew and Greek languages?

Are you perhaps going to use a different English Bible that nobody believes is the complete and 100% true words of God? Versions like the NASB, NIV, RSV, ESV, NKJV, Holman Standard  differ among themselves by thousands of words (usually omissions), reject the Hebrew readings in numerous places,  change the meanings of hundreds of verses and teach false doctrine.  
 
Go to “the origianls”?  I always find it highly ironic when those who criticize our King James Bible tell us we need to “go to the original Hebrew and Greek”.  Both languages are far more “archaic” and hard to learn than anything you will find in the King James Bible, and besides this, the big question then becomes: “WHICH Hebrew and Greek are you talking about?” They never tell us because they don’t know.
 
If I have to choose between God’s pure words of absolute truth that is a litte harder to understand, and a watered down, Scripture removing, change the meanings, updated “modern speech” version that NOBODY believes is the inspired and 100% true words of God, it’s a slam dunk.  I’ll take God’s pure and perfect Book - the Authorized King James Holy Bible.
 
By His grace, believing the Book,
 
Will Kinney
 
Additional Information:
 
See Why “thee” and “ye” are far more accurate, and confusion results when you use the generic “you”
http://brandplucked.webs.com/theeandye.htm
 
I recommend an excellent article by Marty Shue.  He has put together a very good article and included many quotes from a prominent Christian writer who is not even King James Bible only, showing the Fallacies of Difficult Words.  You can read it at brother Marty Shue\'s site here:  http://www.avdefense.webs.com/difficultwords.html
 
 There is also a very good article about the language of the King James Bible found at the King James Version Today site.  You can see it here: 
http://sites.google.com/site/kjvtoday/home/language-of-the-kjv 
 
And another excellent article by Dr. Ken Matto, called The Language of the King James Bible - An Excuse.  It can be seen here:         http://www.scionofzion.com/kj_language.htm');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1655', '0b4a13e4fb', 'The Protector, 18 July 2010', '[img:0b4a13e4fb]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:0b4a13e4fb]

[color=red:0b4a13e4fb]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:0b4a13e4fb]

WELCOME! [i:0b4a13e4fb]The Protector[/i:0b4a13e4fb] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:0b4a13e4fb][color=darkblue:0b4a13e4fb]EDITORIAL[/color:0b4a13e4fb][/size:0b4a13e4fb]

CHRISTIANITY VERSUS THE GREEN LEFT

There are those on the “green left” of Australia’s political landscape who stand for an unbiblical agenda. Regarding animals and plants is one thing, but to use this as a wedge to bring in destructive policies is another altogether.

The Scripture says, “Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.” (Psalm 33:12).

Clearly, those who do not see God (the Creator) as Lord or as having any place in the nation are detrimental to the wellbeing of the nation.

When the principles of the French Revolution slowly grind on, hoping to forbidding any kind of public religious significance, it is time for the people of God to ensure that they may continue their way: the positive influence of Christianity which is central to our national character.

It is obvious that the “green left” is totally against God, man or commonsense. If providence has afforded us the natural resources of uranium and coal, why should we abandon our prosperity? If God has commanded that we should not misuse our bodies, why make it easy to access drugs, kill the weak or unborn? If we are to be an instrument of strength in God’s hand, why should we suffer having our war efforts undermined?

Really, the “green left” is promoting a form of witchcraft. The Scripture makes it clear that such things are not to be held in any regard, “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” (Ex. 22:18). At this present, this includes by democratic means of voting otherwise.

[size=18:0b4a13e4fb][color=darkblue:0b4a13e4fb]NEWS[/color:0b4a13e4fb][/size:0b4a13e4fb]

Various resources:
The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:0b4a13e4fb][color=darkblue:0b4a13e4fb]DIRECTORY[/color:0b4a13e4fb][/size:0b4a13e4fb]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1656', 'a77b4ff989', 'Examining the actual 1769 Edition', 'I made a short video clip about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBlJNZ1KquM');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1657', '87a8c3c637', '', '1. The word &quot;spirit/Spirit&quot; has a number of meanings, including, the inner man, the realm, a spirit being, the Holy Ghost and a godly manner of being.

2. The word &quot;spirit&quot; is used lower case to describe God\'s work in many references, e.g. Exodus 31:3, Job 27:3, 1 Cor. 2:12, etc.

3. The word &quot;spirit&quot; is used to describe the operation of the Holy Ghost, when you compare &quot;pour out my spirit&quot; in Joel 2:28 to &quot;pour out of my Spirit&quot; in Acts 2:17.

4. Therefore, the use of &quot;spirit&quot; lower case in many historical editions of the King James Bible at Acts 11:12, Acts 11:28 and 1 John 5:8 are correct, because they describe the nature, operation and interaction of God\'s Spirit with the born again spirit. Thus, Peter being led of the Spirit, is said to be bidden (or compelled) of the spirit in Acts 11:12. Again, Agabus having a gift from the Holy Ghost, is able to operate in his gift in the spirit in Acts 11:28, which links to 1 Cor. 14:22 and 1 John 4:1.

So when we are told that there are three things in earth, blood, water and the spirit, we understand that these are things which are effective in the earth, and in the life of born again believers: the spirit there is actually witness of God that acknowledges that we are of God, in God and having life (see 1 John 5:9, etc).

Many people assume that if it is talking about the Holy Ghost, it has to be capital &quot;Spirit&quot;, not understanding that while the person of the Holy Ghost is called the &quot;Spirit&quot;, what He does and how He operates is spiritual, which is the &quot;spirit&quot;. (Besides the general &quot;spirit&quot; there are particular component spiritual operations, like &quot;the spirit of holiness&quot;, etc.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1658', '053fae6935', 'The Protector, 25 July 2010', '[img:053fae6935]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:053fae6935]

[color=red:053fae6935]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:053fae6935]

WELCOME! [i:053fae6935]The Protector[/i:053fae6935] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:053fae6935][color=darkblue:053fae6935]EDITORIAL[/color:053fae6935][/size:053fae6935]

IS GOD ABLE TO KEEP THEM?

Jesus prayed, “I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.” (John 17:15) If God can do that for people, why should we doubt that He can do that with His Word?

There are plenty of people about who are teaching a false doctrine that God cannot keep His Word in the Earth. The Scripture makes it clear that God is able to preserve Christians, so it should be easier for God to preserve His words than to preserve people: “And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Thessalonians 5:23).

Just as God has promised to keep His people, so has He promised to keep His words. “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalm 12:6, 7).

It is really bad for people to teach that the almighty God cannot cause His Word to be transmitted through time, or that it cannot be translated properly into the world’s favourite language.

[size=18:053fae6935][color=darkblue:053fae6935]NEWS[/color:053fae6935][/size:053fae6935]

Examining the actual 1769 Edition (video clip)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBlJNZ1KquM

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:053fae6935][color=darkblue:053fae6935]DIRECTORY[/color:053fae6935][/size:053fae6935]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1659', 'ac9873291a', 'KJB Only and Church unity', 'Biblical Christians have a word of promise from God. This is important to know because the modernist churches act as though God can lie or be in error through their use of modernist versions.

&quot;For this [i:ac9873291a]is [/i:ac9873291a]the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.&quot; (Romans 9:9). The word \'this\' points to a specific word that can be accessed and looked at. Also, it is an accurate word, reflecting the fact that God cannot lie.

Because modernist versions vary in many different places, the specificity is lacking. But we who believe in one accurate Bible - the King James Bible - believe the following relating to [b:ac9873291a]every verse[/b:ac9873291a]: &quot;... God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching ...&quot; (see Titus 1:2,3). People should ask themselves today: where is the specific, manifested Word of God?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1660', 'd25d0422ca', 'The Protector, 1 August 2010', '[img:d25d0422ca]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:d25d0422ca]

[color=red:d25d0422ca]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:d25d0422ca]

WELCOME! [i:d25d0422ca]The Protector[/i:d25d0422ca] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:d25d0422ca][color=darkblue:d25d0422ca]EDITORIAL[/color:d25d0422ca][/size:d25d0422ca]

STUDYING ONE TRUE BIBLE

Why use the King James Bible only? There are many versions and translations of the Bible. How is it that one and only one, of all, should be used?

In order to answer and prove that the King James Bible is indeed the only Bible which should be used, we should turn to the Scripture itself. This is the only spiritual way.

We should “Search the scriptures” (John 5:39a). “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15).

A prime example is Acts 17:11, which shows that the Berean believers were right: “These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”

Often the whole issue has been clouded. Indeed, since it is a spiritual issue, evil spirits can get involved. After all, the doctrine of the very Word of God is at stake! Therefore, we must leave aside emotionalism and anti-intellectualism, as much as we must abandon mere carnal reason and intellectual pride.

Our aim and desire should be toward truth itself, and this means that we can only go to the Scripture, and reason according to the Scripture, knowing that “thy word is truth” (John 17:17b).

[size=18:d25d0422ca][color=darkblue:d25d0422ca]NEWS[/color:d25d0422ca][/size:d25d0422ca]

Examining the actual 1769 Edition (video clip)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBlJNZ1KquM

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:d25d0422ca][color=darkblue:d25d0422ca]DIRECTORY[/color:d25d0422ca][/size:d25d0422ca]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1661', '38923d997a', 'The Protector, 8 August 2010', '[img:38923d997a]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:38923d997a]

[color=red:38923d997a]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:38923d997a]

WELCOME! [i:38923d997a]The Protector[/i:38923d997a] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:38923d997a][color=darkblue:38923d997a]EDITORIAL[/color:38923d997a][/size:38923d997a]

LOOKING AT 2 THESSALONIANS 3:1–7

“FINALLY, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you”. The Word of God, the Bible, should be highly esteemed.

“And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.” There are those who disguise their approach as reasonable, but if it is not in line with the Scripture, that is, faith in the words of God, then it is unreasonable.

We have the promise: “But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil. And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you. And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.”

There is also a hard word, concerning the division over the issue of Bible versions, and why we must discern correctly, and not give undue credit to the wrong doctrines taught or believed by just any Christians, no matter how high and respectable they may seem to be, “Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you”.

This issue of using the King James Bible alone is extremely polar. It is as if you are either for it or against it. It does not ultimately allow for middle ground, and seeks to bring things to one conclusion or the other. Such a work for the King James Bible must be accomplished by the highest, most honourable and charitable means.

It is in this spirit that Bible Protector material is offered, as a case for the using the King James Bible only, by the teaching of this doctrine in a wholesome and proper way.

[size=18:38923d997a][color=darkblue:38923d997a]NEWS[/color:38923d997a][/size:38923d997a]

Examining the claims against the KJB’s English (video clip):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxLG_C_15zM

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:38923d997a][color=darkblue:38923d997a]DIRECTORY[/color:38923d997a][/size:38923d997a]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1662', '484d5e65ca', 'New booklet &quot;Asserting King James Only&quot;', 'New booklet &quot;Asserting King James Only&quot;, a Scriptural case for using one true Bible only, is here:

http://www.bibleprotector.com/assertingKJO.pdf');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1663', '45f9dc8f2c', 'The Protector, 15 August 2010', '[img:45f9dc8f2c]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:45f9dc8f2c]

[color=red:45f9dc8f2c]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:45f9dc8f2c]

WELCOME! [i:45f9dc8f2c]The Protector[/i:45f9dc8f2c] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:45f9dc8f2c][color=darkblue:45f9dc8f2c]EDITORIAL[/color:45f9dc8f2c][/size:45f9dc8f2c]

GOD’S NAME

One very important fact is that the King James Bible has the answer to these questions: “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?” (Proverbs 30:4).

The answer is, “Every word of God is pure” (Proverbs 30:5a). And the pure Word tells us: “That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.” (Psalm 83:18). The fact is that most modern versions do not say what God the Father’s name is, or deny that His name is JEHOVAH.

The Son’s name is JESUS, “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.” (Matthew 1:21).

Moses prophesied of the zeal to bring forth the name of God, saying, “I will publish the name of the LORD” (Deuteronomy 32:3a). The King James Bible is instrumental as a basis for showing the whole Earth the name of the Lord.

[size=18:45f9dc8f2c][color=darkblue:45f9dc8f2c]NEWS[/color:45f9dc8f2c][/size:45f9dc8f2c]

New booklet “Asserting King James Only”
http://www.bibleprotector.com/assertingKJO.pdf

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:45f9dc8f2c][color=darkblue:45f9dc8f2c]DIRECTORY[/color:45f9dc8f2c][/size:45f9dc8f2c]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1664', 'f929279ccc', 'A comparison of young Earth creationism with KJB only', 'In this study, I want to look at a number of important parallels between the young Earth creationist doctrine and the King James Bible only doctrine. Both have come under intense attack from modernists and Bible skeptics.

One of the important intersections between the movements is that the KJB teaches clearly the important doctrine of young Earth creationism whereas it is a doctrine that is watered down by modernist versions (as are many other doctrines, such as the deity of Christ). The following is a good comparison of key creationist doctrines watered down:
http://www.rae.org/versions.html

Both the young Earth creationist movement and the KJB only movement have arisen in direct response to the growing apostasy that we see in these days away from the superiority and authority of the Bible in matters of doctrine.

&quot;For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears&quot; (2 Timothy 4:3).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1665', 'd7b4c047e0', 'Kent Hovind', 'We\'ve started watching his &quot;Creation 101&quot; DVD set. It\'s a good series of lessons on creation, and good to see that he uses the King James Bible in his creationist presentations.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1666', '7ac0f9c812', 'David Cloud\'s mistaken view on KJB words', 'David Cloud wrote, “I have become aware of a movement among King James Bible defenders to exalt 17th-century British English to the level of divine holiness. ... I have been amazed to find articles warning about this type of change, with the claim that this is adding to or diminishing from God’s Words. ... My friends, this is pure nutcase ... It is nonsensical and makes all King James Bible defenders look ridiculous. The only difference between “neighbour” and “neighbor” is that one is British spelling while the other is American. These are the same exact words with the same exact meaning. The only difference between “ensample” and “example” is that one is 17th-century spelling and the other is 20th-century. The words are the same.”

I uphold the authentic changes in the presentation and spelling of the King James Bible that have taken place after 1611, and so I do not exalt 17th century English.

But we should not just accept new spelling, or present day standards. This is because meaning can be changed by spelling changes, because some spelling changes which are sneaked in modern King James Version editions are (perhaps intentional) meaning changes.

The following is a few selections from a list where David Cloud claims are just spelling changes:

afterwards    afterward
alway        always
astonied    astonished
broided    braided
ensample    example
inhabiters    inhabitants
inclose        enclose
intreat        entreat
throughly    thoroughly

I can show (look in the full Oxford Dictionary!) that each one of the above pairs are different words with different meanings. I discuss most of these words briefly in my booklet called “Glistering Truths”. You can read it here: http://www.bibleprotector.com/glistering_truths.pdf 

David Cloud is mistaken to think that changing those words would not matter. Such changes do matter because they are different words with distinct meanings.

Changing words does change the truth of the KJB, so we have to be aware about this issue!

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ 

AFTERWARD/AFTERWARDS
“Afterward” has a wide amount of meanings, including, in time following, subsequently, whereas “afterwards” means at a later time, subsequently. Thus, “afterward” may involve something which is a process, but “afterwards” some specific thing.

ALWAY/ALWAYS
The word “always” means “at every time” and “on every occasion”. Whereas the word “alway” means “all the time” and “perpetually”. For example, Jesus said, “lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matthew 28:20b). Yet He also said, “but me ye have not always.” (John 12:8b). This is not a contradiction, since John is describing Jesus’ personal physical presence. Even though Jesus is not “always” on Earth by His own physical person, yet He is “alway” with His people on the Earth by the Holy Ghost.

ASTONIED/ASTONISHED
“Astonied” appears to mean a state of bewilderment (the objective), whereas “astonished” conveys a sense of wonderment toward a particular thing (the subjective).

ENSAMPLE/EXAMPLE
An “example” is an outward sample, while an “ensample” is one that can be internalised through specific personal knowledge of the object looked at.

ENTREAT/INTREAT
“Intreat” means to supplicate, while “entreat” means to treat.');
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[color=red:8687af17eb]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:8687af17eb]

WELCOME! [i:8687af17eb]The Protector[/i:8687af17eb] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:8687af17eb][color=darkblue:8687af17eb]EDITORIAL[/color:8687af17eb][/size:8687af17eb]

ENGLISH BIBLE USE

I recently wrote the following on a Bible Version blog:

The KJBO does not point to a “Greek” NT. The KJB, while “Translated from the original Greek”, has no known Greek entity in existence, but was drawn from Greek TR sources with wide reference, particularly to the Latin. In other words, the KJB is a compiled or constructed exemplar text. Thus, KJBO deals with the Word at hand in English, rather than interpretations of the past with fragments of Greek.

I do not advocate any longer specifically making new translations of the Scripture into other languages, but promote teaching English so that others can use the KJB. This, of course, does not deny the existence of usable Scripture in other languages, nor say that salvation can be by the KJB only.

Translators are not inspired. The LXX and Vulgate were not made by inspiration. The KJB was not made by inspiration, nor were its translators inspired.

Personally I would aim to teach people English rather than to make a translation. I am not against non-English Bibles, but I would not actively encourage them, though I suppose for the present it might be acceptable for them to use a Reformation-TR translation if available (apparently, it has been sufficient enough for people to be saved with modern versions!). Using English at least gives no grounds to questionable or unknown problems in their translations. And yes, I admit, it also ensures proper doctrine being built up.

As for having a perfect translation, I do not see any Scriptural grounds for more than one being possible. Especially because Isaiah 28:11 says, “For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.” The prophecy regards “another tongue” as singular, see also Zeph. 3:9, which again is pointing to one Bible language, not Hebrew, and, since the prophecies are unfulfilled, not Greek.

[size=18:8687af17eb][color=darkblue:8687af17eb]NEWS[/color:8687af17eb][/size:8687af17eb]

Teaching on English language primacy:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6vii5EbcGE[/url]

New booklet “Asserting King James Only”
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/assertingKJO.pdf[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:8687af17eb][color=darkblue:8687af17eb]DIRECTORY[/color:8687af17eb][/size:8687af17eb]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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[color=red:ca3ee3bf45]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:ca3ee3bf45]

WELCOME! [i:ca3ee3bf45]The Protector[/i:ca3ee3bf45] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:ca3ee3bf45][color=darkblue:ca3ee3bf45]EDITORIAL[/color:ca3ee3bf45][/size:ca3ee3bf45]

WHAT THE JESUITS ARE UP TO

These days nothing much is said about Jesuits in public. They certainly do not carry the notoriety they once did. It seems as if they are reduced to advocating the release of illegal immigrants or running boring publications like “Eureka Street”.

And there, in Georgia font, prominently displayed on their website, it stated, “Why a conscientious Christian could vote for the Greens” (Vol. 20. No. 15).

The Greens are, as is commonly known, the far left political faction which has been publicly labelled “anti-religion”. Their policies are the opposite of conservative values, and they often differ with mainstream opinions, and are favoured by witches, sodomites and hippies.

The Scripture tells us, “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.” (Matthew 10:16).

The Jesuits cannot be representing the true meaning of the word “Christian”, and certainly using equivocation in their attempted justifications of the “Greens”.

The Jesuit author states, “On some policy issues, I daresay the Greens have a more Christian message than the major parties” and that “the Greens are far more in synch with the periodic utterances of most Church leaders than either of the major political parties.”

If this statement were true, then most Church leaders would be wolves. 

Hence we have the deceptive statement, “But given that some of their policies ... are arguably more Christian than those of the major parties ...” Of course, it is not a given that such extremists are “more Christian”, nor is it rationally “arguably more” so. It is consistent with historical Jesuit language that such a statement could be made implying favour toward pro-lawlessness ideology.

“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” (Isaiah 5:20).

[size=18:ca3ee3bf45][color=darkblue:ca3ee3bf45]NEWS[/color:ca3ee3bf45][/size:ca3ee3bf45]

“Textus Receptus Onlyism” presentation:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_WEX3VJz9E[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:ca3ee3bf45][color=darkblue:ca3ee3bf45]DIRECTORY[/color:ca3ee3bf45][/size:ca3ee3bf45]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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[color=red:1df725c960]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:1df725c960]

WELCOME! [i:1df725c960]The Protector[/i:1df725c960] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:1df725c960][color=darkblue:1df725c960]EDITORIAL[/color:1df725c960][/size:1df725c960]

XXX

When we look at those Christians who argue against the King James Bible, we find that their accusations are not as “rational” or “reasoned” as they think. Because they cannot touch and see a perfect set of Scriptures in the original languages, they think that it is impossible for there to be a perfect English Bible.

“Bow down thine ear, and hear the words of the wise, and apply thine heart unto my knowledge.” (Proverbs 22:17). It takes some humility to heed the truth about the King James Bible, and it takes some faith to believe it is fully true.

“For it is a pleasant thing if thou keep them within thee; they shall withal be fitted in thy lips.” (Proverbs 22:18). There are good results coming out of holding the King James Bible only.

“That thy trust may be in the LORD, I have made known to thee this day, even to thee.” (Proverbs 22:19). It follows that the Word of God must be fully present.

“Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?” (Proverbs 22:20, 21). Therefore, this may be considered prophetic about the King James Bible.

Those people who cannot be certain about the King James Bible accuse other Christians of “circular reasoning”, and say, “you start out with the King James Bible as correct, not what the originals say”. The funny thing is that they can never be certain about the originals, and there are ways to answer and explain how the King James Bible is properly representing the originals.

In reality, what we have is people who have carnally-minded, worldly-thinking influenced philosophy, which is twisting how some people approach the Bible. Instead of starting from Scripture, they start off from human reasonings which do not require the existence of God. They say, all men make errors, no one is perfect, therefore the King James Bible cannot be perfect. What they have failed to do is accept that God can do it, and that really, God has done it.

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“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:1df725c960]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:1df725c960]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

“Textus Receptus Onlyism” presentation:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_WEX3VJz9E[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:1df725c960][color=darkblue:1df725c960]DIRECTORY[/color:1df725c960][/size:1df725c960]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxpDcTSmsD0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1RD-fU9FvA');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1671', '25c4382d9c', 'The Protector, 12 September 2010', '[img:25c4382d9c]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:25c4382d9c]

[color=red:25c4382d9c]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:25c4382d9c]

WELCOME! [i:25c4382d9c]The Protector[/i:25c4382d9c] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:25c4382d9c][color=darkblue:25c4382d9c]EDITORIAL[/color:25c4382d9c][/size:25c4382d9c]

GOD’S WORD IS THE HIGHEST ORDER

God is directly interested in the world, especially the Church. There are many Scriptures which show that God is ruling over history, and bringing to pass His will, despite the presence of sin and corruption.

“So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.” (Isaiah 55:11).

Consequently, we have no reason to doubt He will fail when Jesus promised, “I will build my church” (Matthew 16:18c). Jesus said He would be with the Church, with believers, as they went into all the world.

“And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.” (Mark 16:20).

Thus, the Spirit of God is directing and guiding each Christian, and is the one who is able to “Order my steps in thy word” (Psalm 119:133a).

[size=18:25c4382d9c][color=darkblue:25c4382d9c]NEWS[/color:25c4382d9c][/size:25c4382d9c]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:25c4382d9c]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:25c4382d9c]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

“Textus Receptus Onlyism” presentation:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_WEX3VJz9E[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:25c4382d9c][color=darkblue:25c4382d9c]DIRECTORY[/color:25c4382d9c][/size:25c4382d9c]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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It is clear that modernist churches do not believe this passage. The same word that Jesus spoke then must be present in the last day. Thinking on this tells us that there must be a continuum of His words being preserved [b:92d9ebcbc4]until the last day[/b:92d9ebcbc4], else how could they be used as a basis to judge?

Tragically, there is great chaos in the souls of even believers. Some in the modernist churches have even said to me that it doesn\'t matter about particular words but we only need to follow Jesus. Such people need to meditate on John 12:48 (in the King James Bible, of course!) because the answer is clear - if you receive Christ, you should also receive His words. The question then becomes: Now that I have received Christ, where are His exact words located now?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1673', '013fd66dcc', 'God is faithful', 'God was faithful to Zacharias and Elisabeth, in giving them their hearts\' desire to have a child. Prayer had been heard by God, as the angel said.

&quot;But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.&quot; (Luke 1:13, 14)

They served God, and loved Him, and God\'s plan came to pass in their lives. He wants to show His goodness to those who trust in Him.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1674', '2d3c49fa98', 'The Protector, 19 September 2010', '[img:2d3c49fa98]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:2d3c49fa98]

[color=red:2d3c49fa98]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:2d3c49fa98]

WELCOME! [i:2d3c49fa98]The Protector[/i:2d3c49fa98] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:2d3c49fa98][color=darkblue:2d3c49fa98]EDITORIAL[/color:2d3c49fa98][/size:2d3c49fa98]

GOD’S WORD IS PRECIOUS

“A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in pictures of silver.” (Prov. 25:11).

Of all things to obtain, nothing is better than to obtain the best thing from God.

“I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich”.
(Revelation 3:18a.)

This verse contains symbolic language, but it is clear what it means. The gold means the best thing, the highest prize. It is speaking about our Christian religion in its best form. It is a prophecy of Christianity which uses the King James Bible only.

The words of the translators of the King James Bible from 1611 also indicate this when they talked about improving on the former Reformation English Bibles, saying, “but let us rather bless God from the ground of our heart for working this religious care in him to have the translations of the Bible maturely considered of and examined. For by this means it cometh to pass, that whatsoever is sound already, ... the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished; also, if any thing be halting, or superfluous, or not so agreeable to the original, the same may be corrected, and the truth set in place.”

[size=18:2d3c49fa98][color=darkblue:2d3c49fa98]NEWS[/color:2d3c49fa98][/size:2d3c49fa98]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:2d3c49fa98]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:2d3c49fa98]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

“Textus Receptus Onlyism” presentation:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_WEX3VJz9E[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:2d3c49fa98][color=darkblue:2d3c49fa98]DIRECTORY[/color:2d3c49fa98][/size:2d3c49fa98]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1675', '337409509a', 'Word studies: determinate, ought', 'Why does the King James Bible have &quot;determinate&quot; not “determined” at Acts 2:23?

The word “determined” (adjective) has meanings like (1) resolute, or (2) decided, settled, resolved.

“For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done” (Acts 4:28).

Clearly, God decided beforehand, in other words, it is settled, unshakable. That is the quality and nature of God\'s plan.

Now, to Acts 2:23,

“Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain” (Acts 2:23).

If the word is being used as an adjective (which describes a noun), it means precisely limited, definite, distinct.

This means that God’s plan is precise and particular, it goes to the exact detail of God’s intention.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1676', 'b1a5fcd111', '', 'The dictionary informs us of two words, one being &quot;ought&quot; (also spelt &quot;aught&quot;) meaning, anything or a part of a thing, noun or adverb. The entry for &quot;ought&quot; lists it as meaning, in line with a moral standard, what is owed, expressing a moral duty, etc., a verb auxiliary.

These are two words, but are both spelt the same way in the King James Bible. Interestingly, both words are remarkably similar in their application, and if a common meaning can be defined for both usages, it would be that the word “ought” always means something measured to another standard, such as a part, a portion, a remainder, a particular thing, and is expressed in the negative, as in, less than that standard. This can be a moral standard, it can be a total number, it can be a debt amount required:

Ge 20:9 — particular point of full moral standard — not kept
Ge 34:7 — particular point of full moral standard — not kept
Ge 39:6 — any part of total of owned possessions — not all known
Ge 47:18 — any of total of owned possessions — no longer owned
Ex 5:8 — any one out of total quantity and quality — not to be reduced
Ex 5:11 — any one out of total quantity and quality — not to be reduced
Ex 5:19 — any one out of total quantity and quality — not to be reduced
Ex 12:46 — any part out of entire thing — not be reduced
Ex 22:14 — any item lent of all possessions — not reduced in quality when returned
Ex 29:34 — any particular of total items — none to remain
Le 4:2 — any particular moral standard — not kept
Le 4:27 — any particular moral standard — not kept
Le 11:25 — any particular of an entire thing — not to have any part
Le 19:6 — any part of an entire thing — none to remain
Le 25:14 (1) — any item of entire possessions, quality of sale — not to be sold unfairly
Le 25:14 (2) — any item of entire possessions, quality of purchase — not to be bought unfairly

There is no grounds to require a different word or spelling “aught” in some instances.

When we compare the use of the word &quot;ought&quot; with the simplified and imprecise usage of words in modern versions, the difference becomes clear:

A modern version might say at Mark 11:25,

&quot;if ye have anything against any one&quot;

Whereas the KJB says,

&quot;if ye have ought against any&quot;

There is a big difference between &quot;anything&quot; and &quot;ought&quot;, because, as is illustrated above, &quot;ought&quot; does not just mean &quot;anything&quot;, it means:

Measured to some absolute standard (God\'s Word), and any part required, not in line with it. (The English is pregnant with precise meaning!)

Thus, we are commanded to forgive under conditions, rather than to just forgive or absolute everyone of everything.

After all, Jesus himself said that there was an unpardonable sin, so we obviously are not commanded by God to forgive someone who is committing that sin, since He does not forgive that sin.

That aside, the modern version has no idea in the word &quot;ought&quot; of any kind of standard, or any concept of &quot;owing&quot;, which is clearly present in the KJB wording.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1677', '5e99230f87', 'And Many Shall Come', 'This film was made as a satirical comment of the state of modernist churches today.

The directors\' special commentary is available on DVD (not on U-Tube) where Matthew and I discuss in detail what meanings and purposes were attached to the film. Don\'t miss it if you\'re interested in this area.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1678', '6551c7fcd5', 'The Protector, 26 September 2010', '[img:6551c7fcd5]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:6551c7fcd5]

[color=red:6551c7fcd5]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:6551c7fcd5]

WELCOME! [i:6551c7fcd5]The Protector[/i:6551c7fcd5] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:6551c7fcd5][color=darkblue:6551c7fcd5]EDITORIAL[/color:6551c7fcd5][/size:6551c7fcd5]

GOD’S WORD HERE

The false scholars talk and act as if God’s Word is so distant that it is lost from us. But the opposite is true. God has easily supplied His Word for us, and brought it right to us.

“For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.” (De 30:11–14).

God would be unjust if He said, “Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near” (Isaiah 55:6), and then failed to supply His true Word to us.

The good news is that the churches of the Protestant tradition had the Word of God, the King James Bible, and it is still widely available today. So we should thank God that we have His Word, and we should make sure that we hold firmly to it.

[size=18:6551c7fcd5][color=darkblue:6551c7fcd5]NEWS[/color:6551c7fcd5][/size:6551c7fcd5]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:6551c7fcd5]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:6551c7fcd5]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The King James Bible translators\' own words about the goodness of their version.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector#p/u/10/nS43hMQNd-8[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:6551c7fcd5][color=darkblue:6551c7fcd5]DIRECTORY[/color:6551c7fcd5][/size:6551c7fcd5]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1679', '201196e1f8', 'Lost knowledge.', 'Though I consider the PCE to be the best, I do not consider it to be perfect.

[quote:201196e1f8=\"bibleprotector\"]The King James Bible has not been changed in underlying text or translation, but has undergone a purification since 1611 to the Pure Cambridge Edition, especially in regards to eliminating typesetting mistakes and standardising the langauge. Here are some examples:
*   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *   *
2. Among and amongst

There are a number of instances where the 1611 word “amongst” is changed to “among”. But, in two places, that is, in Genesis 3:8 and 23:9, the 1611 word “amongst” is retained. The modernist believes that the editors were careless and the differences meaningless, but in fact, the use of any single word is exact.

The rule must be established that the Pure Cambridge Edition is always right, and that every rule that can now be ascertained, is made from describing pre-existing phenomena. However, even if the primary rule is not regarded, so as to make an investigation neutral, it can be discovered that the Pure Cambridge Edition will always adhere to a proper and detailed use of the English language, and that there will be a consistent pattern and usage.

The Oxford English Dictionary highlights a difference in meaning, that “amongst” especially applies to the use of “among”, “generally implying dispersion, intermixture or shifting position.” The first verse in which “amongst” appears says, “And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.” (Genesis 3:8).

In every verse of the Bible where the words “among the trees” appear, the description is of a particular object viewed as stationary “among” the trees. Whereas, Adam and Eve, being two, both hid themselves, and were, as the Oxford English Dictionary informs, in “dispersion” and “shifting position”, that is to say, were not stationary, but moved throughout the trees in multiple hiding places. Thus, the elimination of the supposedly archaic “amongst” in this place would actually be a loss of vital information. Whereas, in the many other cases where “amongst” has gone, they would have actually conveyed nonsensical or incorrect details, if they were left as “amongst”. While some might accuse this of being “the devil in the detail”, it is, in fact, “the divinity in the detail”.

The other example of “amongst” is, “That he may give me the cave of Machpelah, which he hath, which is in the end of his field; for as much money as it is worth he shall give it me for a possession of a buryingplace amongst you.” (Genesis 23:9). Abraham wished to bury his dead in a place where the Hittites had already buried their dead, thus, the remains of Abraham’s people should have been, as the Oxford English Dictionary informs, “intermixture”, that is to say, the burying would be intermixed with the other dead already in that place.

The word “amongst” is a word which describes the relation of an action, a verb, to a noun, which makes “amongst” in grammatical terms an adverbial genitive. For example, that it was Adam and Eve [nouns] hiding [verb] themselves [pronoun] “amongst” the trees, without reference to whether it was God [noun] walking [verb] “among” the trees. Or again, that it was Abraham [noun] burying [verb] (at that) place [noun] “amongst” the Hittites, without reference to whether it was Ephron [noun] giving [verb] possession “among” the audience of the Hittites.[/quote:201196e1f8]

That may be so, but [i:201196e1f8]amongst[/i:201196e1f8] is only the corrupted genitive of [i:201196e1f8]among[/i:201196e1f8], and any claimed distinction seems baseless.

[quote:201196e1f8=\"bibleprotector\"]3. Toward and towards

Since the word form “towards” no longer appears, there cannot be anything to consider concerning the modernist argument in this particular; namely, that the meaning and representation of that word is always that of “toward” without a doubt.[/quote:201196e1f8]
No, [i:201196e1f8]towards[/i:201196e1f8] is the genitive of the adjective [i:201196e1f8]toward[/i:201196e1f8], and should be used as an adverb only.

[quote:201196e1f8=\"bibleprotector\"]
5. Sith and since

Scrivener brings the marginal notes and the Apocrypha as evidence against the changes of “sith” to “since”; however, both the marginal notes and the Apocrypha are not to be considered as being “purified” in the sense of the actual text; though, the editorial work on these things can be seen to produce an agreeable and standardised text.

The 1611 “sith” has been changed to “since” in Jeremiah 15:7 and 23:38, while it is retained in Ezekiel 35:6. The use of the word “since” is common and has a range of meanings. “And I will fan them with a fan in the gates of the land; I will bereave them of children, I will destroy my people, since they return not from their ways.” (Jeremiah 15:7). “But since ye say, The burden of the LORD; therefore thus saith the LORD; Because ye say this word, The burden of the LORD, and I have sent unto you, saying, Ye shall not say, The burden of the LORD” (Jeremiah 23:38).

The Oxford English Dictionary shows that “sith” was “used to express cause, while since was restricted to time”.4 It can be seen in this light, that Ezekiel 35:6 relates to cause and not to time, “Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee.” The words “since thou hast” appear in Exodus 4:10, with a very different and time-based meaning, “And Moses said unto the LORD, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.”[/quote:201196e1f8]
No, [i:201196e1f8]since[/i:201196e1f8] is a very corrupted form of [i:201196e1f8]sith[/i:201196e1f8], and can only be properly used as an adverb.

[quote:201196e1f8=\"bibleprotector\"]6. While and whilesThe word “whiles” is like the word “while”, except that it is used adverbially, that is, to describe an action, describing when the action is taking place. This can be seen in all passages where the word is used, such as, “Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee” (Ezekiel 21:29a) or “whiles they minister in the gates of the inner court, and within.” (Ezekiel 44:17b). The word “whiles” always relates to some action, specifically when the action is taking place. The usage is correct in Acts 5:4a, even though the sentence is in the passive voice, “Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power?” “Whiles” is also related to an action in 2 Corinthians 9:13, “Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men”.

Those places where the 1611 word “whiles” has been changed to “while” are correct, as presented in the Pure Cambridge Edition (and the 1769 Edition), especially because such particular grammar was overlooked, not understood or unimportant to early printers. “Though while he lived he blessed his soul” (Psalm 49:18a). In this case there is no direct connection made to an action, in that the man blessed his soul while he lived; therefore, “while” is properly used. “And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.” (Isaiah 65:24). In this verse, there is no direct connection made to the action, which is not the people speaking, but God answering; thus again, “while” is properly used.[/quote:201196e1f8]
No, those [i:201196e1f8]whiles[/i:201196e1f8] are conjunctions not adverbs.

[quote:201196e1f8=\"bibleprotector\"]7. To and unto

“Unto”, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, primarily means, “Indicating spatial or local relationship”.5 The use of “unto” is more limited than “to”. In Genesis 25:33 it says, “And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob.” In the 1611 Edition, it said, “and he sware to him”. The words, “sware unto him” always fall to the end of a sentence or clause in the Bible, which indicates a certain closure, and also reads better in accordance with good meter.

The example of Luke 20:42, “And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand”, has the 1611 incorrectly quoting David in Psalm 110:1 by saying, “said to my Lord”. Although this is the way it is represented in Mark 12:36, Luke is giving a full quote, whereas Mark is giving an interpretive quote. The wording in Mark must also be considered in conjunction with literary style and meter.

“For he served Baal, and worshipped him, and provoked to anger the LORD God of Israel, according to all that his father had done.” (1 Kings 22:53). The 1611 states, “according unto all”. The phrase, “according unto all” is used in the Bible as concerning doing or fulfilling commandments or prophecies, that is to say, “according unto all the detail of the things said or written”. In general cases, the words, “according to all” are used. The Bible always refers to doings and ways with the word “to”, showing that “unto” does not normally describe or connect to things done. Furthermore, since the word “unto” connects one thing to another, and the actions of Ahazaih in this verse were not done toward his fathers, but were actions of the same nature as his fathers.[/quote:201196e1f8]
No, the distinction between [i:201196e1f8]unto[/i:201196e1f8] and [i:201196e1f8]to[/i:201196e1f8] is as the distinction between [i:201196e1f8]until[/i:201196e1f8] and [i:201196e1f8]till[/i:201196e1f8], so the given definition is wholly otiose, because [i:201196e1f8]unto[/i:201196e1f8] only means [i:201196e1f8]up to[/i:201196e1f8].');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1680', 'dfb24aaa7d', 'Sketchy reasoning.', 'Zankai, your sketchy reasoning is far less convincing that what has been presented by Bibleprotector but I\'ll let him address any specifics.

It is interesting that your very first post here goes against everything we stand for here, namely that the PCE [b:dfb24aaa7d]is[/b:dfb24aaa7d] the perfect Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1681', 'fe1e9327a1', '', '1. This is not a debate forum as such. However, since Zankai at least favours the PCE, I will suffer his comments and answer them. Remember, our approach is to receive the truth and explain it as best we may in line with Scripture itself, and also tradition, the spiritual leading and good dictionaries. Study therefore is important, and there are many opportunities to increase our learning and to come into greater knowledge.

2. The reason why “amongst” is different to “among” is because both words appear in the PCE. 
Remember, “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matt. 5:18).
Again, “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.” (Prov. 30:5).
“Among” and “amongst” are clearly two different words.

3. Since “towards” has been absent from the KJB since Blayney in 1769, we must accept that what might exist in secular English is not the same as what exists in Biblical English. This is a very important principle.

4. It is easily obvious that “sith” has particular meanings, both form the OED and Biblical usage. “Since” and “sith” are not mere synonyms any more than “vail” and “veil” or “neesings” and “sneezed”. These are differences discernable in the PCE, whether or not the OED recognises these nuances (and it does in the case of &quot;sith&quot;).

5. If further explanations or clarifications are warranted on issues like “while”/“whiles”, “until”/“till” or “to”/“unto”, that is no problem, but it ought to follow that building information should not be taken or sparked by something presented in an objectionable manner, and would likely come from sources which agree with the basic principles of PCE perfection and in accord with other points outlined above, not in a seeming accusatory fashion.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1682', '9fede4a8a6', 'Re: Sketchy reasoning.', '[quote:9fede4a8a6=\"KJBman777\"]Zankai, your sketchy reasoning is far less convincing that what has been presented by Bibleprotector but I\'ll let him address any specifics.[/quote:9fede4a8a6]
I will try go into more detail.

[quote:9fede4a8a6=\"KJBman777\"]It is interesting that your very first post here goes against everything we stand for here, namely that the PCE [b:9fede4a8a6]is[/b:9fede4a8a6] the perfect Bible.[/quote:9fede4a8a6]
Sorry, I mean not that, but I think we both seek the truth of God.  Though I do not consider any human thing perfect, yet I do not think we should give up and stop seeking for the truth.

[quote:9fede4a8a6=\"bibleprotector\"]
2. The reason why “amongst” is different to “among” is because both words appear in the PCE. 
Remember, “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matt. 5:18).
Again, “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.” (Prov. 30:5).
“Among” and “amongst” are clearly two different words.[/quote:9fede4a8a6]
I guess it can be said the same with [i:9fede4a8a6]against[/i:9fede4a8a6], which is just a corrupted form [i:9fede4a8a6]again[/i:9fede4a8a6] and has replaced where our ancients would use [i:9fede4a8a6]again[/i:9fede4a8a6] in certain places, which can be seen by studying the Wycliffe bible.

[quote:9fede4a8a6=\"bibleprotector\"]
3. Since “towards” has been absent from the KJB since Blayney in 1769, we must accept that what might exist in secular English is not the same as what exists in Biblical English. This is a very important principle.[/quote:9fede4a8a6]
Biblical English is pure english, and it should have few vulgarisms, slang, or corruptiong, whenever possible.

[i:9fede4a8a6]Towards[/i:9fede4a8a6] is without a doubt a corruption, and it is so obvious, which is why I believe the bible has been improved with removal of the many [i:9fede4a8a6]towards[/i:9fede4a8a6], which was formerly in our scripture.

[quote:9fede4a8a6=\"bibleprotector\"]
4. It is easily obvious that “sith” has particular meanings, both form the OED and Biblical usage. “Since” and “sith” are not mere synonyms any more than “vail” and “veil” or “neesings” and “sneezed”. These are differences discernable in the PCE, whether or not the OED recognises these nuances (and it does in the case of &quot;sith&quot;).[/quote:9fede4a8a6]
We can find the truth to since by reading the study of Mr. Tooke (Epea pteroenta, pp. 553-555).

[quote:9fede4a8a6=\"John Horne Tooke\"]Since is a very corrupt abbreviation; confounding together different words and different combinations of words: and is therefore in modern English improperly made (like But) to serve purposes which no one word in any other language can answer; because the same accidental corruptions, arising from similarity of sound, have not happened in the correspondent words of any other language.&quot;[/quote:9fede4a8a6]
[quote:9fede4a8a6=\"John Horne Tooke\"]&quot;Hooker in his writings uses Sithence, Sith, Seeing, and Since. The two former he always properly distinguishes; using Sithence for the true import of the Anglo-Saxon StfS&amp;an, and Sith for the true import of the Anglo-Saxon Si^Se. Which is the more extraordinary, because authors of the first credit had very long before Hooker\'s time, confounded them together; and thereby led the way for the present indiscriminate and corrupt use of Since in all the four cases mentioned.
    Seeing Hooker uses sometimes, perhaps, (for it will admit a doubt) improperly. And Since (according to the corrupt custom which has now universally prevailed in the language) he uses indifferently either for Sithence, Seen, Seeing, or Sith. &quot;[/quote:9fede4a8a6]

Indeed, our scripture formerly had [i:9fede4a8a6]sith[/i:9fede4a8a6] more, but it has been replaced with the corrupt [i:9fede4a8a6]since[/i:9fede4a8a6] to become more consistent.  Or, it may be, out of ignorance, which there seems to be a lot of around this word.  We even see that non-time sense of [i:9fede4a8a6]sith[/i:9fede4a8a6] has corrupted over to [i:9fede4a8a6]since[/i:9fede4a8a6], as Mr. Tooke said.

[quote:9fede4a8a6=\"bibleprotector\"]
5. If further explanations or clarifications are warranted on issues like “while”/“whiles”, “until”/“till” or “to”/“unto”, that is no problem, but it ought to follow that building information should not be taken or sparked by something presented in an objectionable manner, and would likely come from sources which agree with the basic principles of PCE perfection and in accord with other points outlined above, not in a seeming accusatory fashion.[/quote:9fede4a8a6]

Here is what I have discovered from extensive studying, which has left me discovering so much, and I believe this all by Jehovah\'s will.  I am even one of the few people that understand WHY the KJB and PCE are punctuated the way they are.

From Old Norse we have [i:9fede4a8a6]und[/i:9fede4a8a6] which comes into English as [i:9fede4a8a6]un[/i:9fede4a8a6].  Now this prefix means [i:9fede4a8a6]as far as[/i:9fede4a8a6], so when say [i:9fede4a8a6]unto[/i:9fede4a8a6] we mean [i:9fede4a8a6]as far as to[/i:9fede4a8a6], or [i:9fede4a8a6]up to[/i:9fede4a8a6]; and when we say [i:9fede4a8a6]until[/i:9fede4a8a6] we mean [i:9fede4a8a6]as far as till[/i:9fede4a8a6], or [i:9fede4a8a6]up till[/i:9fede4a8a6]; and [i:9fede4a8a6]till[/i:9fede4a8a6] means [i:9fede4a8a6]to the time that[/i:9fede4a8a6], thus we would have [i:9fede4a8a6]until[/i:9fede4a8a6] meaning [i:9fede4a8a6]as far as to the time that[/i:9fede4a8a6]; it is similar to the Latin [i:9fede4a8a6]usque[/i:9fede4a8a6], which means, again, [i:9fede4a8a6]up to[/i:9fede4a8a6].  We see this verified when comparing the Latin Vulgate bible to ours.

Let us apply this meaning to this sentence: &quot;And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place.&quot; (Gen. 1:9.); giving &quot;And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together as far as to one place.&quot; (Gen. 1:9.)

As we can see the meaning fits perfect and is undeniable, yet the true meaning has been washed away. So The idea that it is &quot;indicating spatial or local relationship&quot; is absurd, because there is no evidence for this, and it goes against the etymology.

Now, as I said, you were wrong about [i:9fede4a8a6]whiles[/i:9fede4a8a6] being an adverb, let me show you.
&quot;25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him;&quot; (Matt. 5:25)
This is a conjunction, and this is the proper usage, and it is very important that you understand that this conjunction is not the same as the conjunction [i:9fede4a8a6]while[/i:9fede4a8a6], otherwise meaning shall be lost like other corrupted bibles like ASV.

[i:9fede4a8a6]Whiles[/i:9fede4a8a6] is exactly the same as the corrupted [i:9fede4a8a6]whilst[/i:9fede4a8a6], which should be corrected to [i:9fede4a8a6]whiles[/i:9fede4a8a6], because it is [b:9fede4a8a6]not[/b:9fede4a8a6] pure.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1683', 'a8304ddede', 'Mistake.', '[quote:a8304ddede]I do not consider any human thing perfect[/quote:a8304ddede]
Here\'s your big mistake. You think the PCE is from man, not God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1684', 'fc787d2423', 'Re: Mistake.', '[quote:fc787d2423=\"KJBman777\"][quote:fc787d2423]I do not consider any human thing perfect[/quote:fc787d2423]
Here\'s your big mistake. You think the PCE is from man, not God.[/quote:fc787d2423]
You have misunderstood me.  I believe that some thing that is truly perfect can only be divine by nature, because the English language is in itself [b:fc787d2423]not perfect[/b:fc787d2423], so therefore nothing it English can be perfect.

The proof of this is the small mistakes in ever Bible.

The point is, we should do the best we are able, and to settle for no less; and this is what I think Jehova\'s intentions are: to represent a perfect thing (word of God) through an imperfect thing (English).

Even on the contrary, we cannot ignore what study and research shows us, because that is ignorance.

[b:fc787d2423]Either way, there is no excuses not to represent the word of God as best as we are able.[/b:fc787d2423]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1685', '1bb6fa48b2', '', 'Statements about so called corruption may be to some extent true in natural, secular English, the common vulgate form used, but cannot apply to Biblical English.

A person who says the following is on very shaky ground:

[color=olive:1bb6fa48b2][quote:1bb6fa48b2]Biblical English is pure english, and it should have few vulgarisms, slang, or corruptiong, whenever possible. [/quote:1bb6fa48b2][/color:1bb6fa48b2]

It is not my duty to correct every error or to defend against every attack made by adversaries or by those who have a slightly differing view or opinion (i.e. those that allow just a little &quot;corruption&quot; in the KJB).

Quoting some or other person on grammar (e.g. Johnson, the OED) are not final authorities. Scripture itself, in its received presentation, is final authority. We do not dicatate what is Biblicial English. It dictates to us what it is.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1686', 'edea5b742c', '', 'Has such knowledge really been lost to all KJB editors and in KJB editions to this time?

That would almost be like Tischendorf’s recovery of the &quot;real Scripture&quot; after 1800 years of &quot;corruption&quot;.

Where is the refining process leading to if there still is no &quot;perfect&quot; form, and we are limited to human strivings and human error.

Who is going to cook up the discovery of truth in this endeavour?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1687', '1e536bce53', '', '[quote:1e536bce53=\"bibleprotector\"]
Quoting some or other person on grammar (e.g. Johnson, the OED) are not final authorities.[/quote:1e536bce53]
You have misunderstood.  Through the use of studying, we can surpass this, and find the true meaning behind things: [i:1e536bce53]&quot;Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find.&quot; (Mat. 7:7)[/i:1e536bce53]

Now Biblical English is mostly the style of William Tyndale. Though he was [b:1e536bce53]not[/b:1e536bce53] inspired, he was [b:1e536bce53]very, very[/b:1e536bce53] learned.

Thus Biblical English is Learned or Proper English.

How can you deny this?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1688', '1983833c79', 'Back to front.', 'Zankai, you have it back to front. God is in control of language, not man (see Genesis 11:1-9). He has designed English to be able to communicate perfectly His words in English (the English in the KJB is what we now call Biblical English). The PCE is His perfect Word in English and answers exactly to the originals.

&quot;For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.&quot; (Zephaniah 3:9), The &quot;pure language&quot; that God speaks of here is the Biblical English of the PCE, not the slang etc of the current English. You should realise that people today can understand the KJB, even though they are not now speaking Biblical English (unless, of course, they are quoting from the KJB).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1689', '966ca7d591', 'Re: Back to front.', 'I believe that you are confused, because this [b:966ca7d591]pure[/b:966ca7d591] language is referring to Hebrew.

Now William Tyndale translated the original [b:966ca7d591]pure[/b:966ca7d591] and inspired Hebrew to the English, at the era of Early Modern English.

So Biblical English is a improper term, as it is properly Early Modern English.

You see, Tyndale, Wycliffe, etc, they were simply learned men, that wished to translate the pure words of God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1690', 'e35dcd8632', '', 'Hebrew cannot be the pure language, because it says in Isaiah 28:11,

&quot;For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.&quot;

That &quot;another tongue&quot; cannot be Hebrew, otherwise, why did He say &quot;another&quot;?

Again, Zephaniah 3:9 says,

&quot;For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.&quot;

That language being turned to the people must have been one they did not have. That is, not Hebrew, since they already spoke Hebrew before.

Certainly Christians, both Gentiles and Jews today, are not being turned toward Hebrew as a spoken language, that is, one to be used to call upon God.

Therefore, Hebrew is not the pure language. However, the Biblical English as presented in the PCE is being made available to the world in the global language.

Furthermore, if the pure words only existed in Hebrew, then we do not have full purity outside of the originals. The problem there is that there is no perfect form of the originals today. There is no perfect Hebrew Bible or Old Testament. Thus, purity must be in an accurate translation which is exactly correct in its text also.

Tyndale did well, but he missed out on translating half the Bible, and his version has both translation and textual differences to the King James Bible. Although Tyndale pioneered Biblical English, his work was not the end result, but required much improvement.

Moreover, Biblical English has always differed from the normal, secular, vulgar, common or state of &quot;early modern&quot; English. Tyndale was not turning the Bible into the street language of his time, he was in fact bringing the Bible to a form which was accessible to the people of his time. Thus, translation is not about reducing purity to banal English, but giving the very truth in English in a special form of English which open-hearted people would understand.

Obviously, the KJB is better than Tyndale. Therefore, it follows that once the line of translations were complete, that the English Bible would stand, and the Biblical English standard would be supersuccessionary to the Hebrew and Greek.

No one denies that the Scripture in Hebrew and Greek was pure. After all, Scripture itself is pure. But when it comes to purity of text, there is none as pure as the KJB. Likewise when comparing translations. And when it comes to the presentation, there is none equal to the PCE.

The English use itself, that is, the Biblical English, is in its ultimate form in the PCE. That is where the exemplar of the pure language exists. No one actually &quot;speaks&quot; that pure language unless they use the KJB themselves. If we read it, think it, pray it, then we are using the pure language, conforming to it, and therefore able to achieve one consent.

Outside of the KJB are a multitude of words which a Christian uses. Each book, articulation of doctrine or confession, each minister, teacher or leader, each prophecy, dream or vision may use words which are not strictly just limited to verbatim quotes from the KJB. This is because the pure language, the Biblical English, is actually the Scripture itself in English (today as represented by its final form). Thus, we speak normal English day to day, and conform ourselves conceptually to the Biblical standard. But when we actually speak the Word of God itself, the specific thing being referred to as Scripture which we have in written form, it must be the pure Biblical English.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1691', '38f162016c', '', 'Since the Word of God has not been lost, and is not lost, there is no grounds to imply that it can only be found now or in the future.

Accusing a person of being confused is not right.

This is not a free-for-all forum, and hostile or accusatory persons are hereby reminded that they may be barred at any point.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1692', '7d9a0a5842', '', 'William Tyndale did not pioneer Biblical English; he simply wrote in [b:7d9a0a5842]Early Modern English[/b:7d9a0a5842], and also the KJB is about 85% similiar to Tyndales OT and NT.

At the end of the day, there [b:7d9a0a5842]are[/b:7d9a0a5842] some small corruptions in the PCE.

So it seems we disagree.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1693', '1ee0926c9c', 'End', '[quote:1ee0926c9c]At the end of the day, there are some small corruptions in the PCE.[/quote:1ee0926c9c]
At the end of the day, you agree with the modern versionists that there is no perfect Bible extant on the Earth. Pity that.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1694', '139965fa7f', 'Re: End', '[quote:139965fa7f=\"KJBman777\"][quote:139965fa7f]At the end of the day, there are some small corruptions in the PCE.[/quote:139965fa7f]
At the end of the day, you agree with the modern versionists that there is no perfect Bible extant on the Earth. Pity that.[/quote:139965fa7f]

I still say that KJB/PCE is the best, so why does it matter?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1695', '414fae9cf4', '', '[quote:414fae9cf4=\"zankai\"]William Tyndale did not pioneer Biblical English; he simply wrote in [b:414fae9cf4]Early Modern English[/b:414fae9cf4], and also the KJB is about 85% similiar to Tyndales OT and NT.[/quote:414fae9cf4]

If Tyndale wrote merely in Early Modern English, then how is it that his language use, as well as that of the KJB translators differs so distinctly from the normal-to-scholarly English being used in the Reformation era? Obviously the Biblical English is higher than natural, mundane English.

[quote:414fae9cf4=\"zankai\"]At the end of the day, there [b:414fae9cf4]are[/b:414fae9cf4] some small corruptions in the PCE.

So it seems we disagree.[/quote:414fae9cf4]

The problem is that you have no final standard of appeal to point to, so there is no measure for your opinion other than your own opinion. Where is the objective standard of the exact perfect Word of God if it is not the received truth of the KJB?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1696', 'd2fd77eb1c', 'Leaven.', '[quote:d2fd77eb1c]so why does it matter?[/quote:d2fd77eb1c]
It is this type of leaven that has let modern versions get such a foothold in the churches.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1697', '65c6abe41e', '', '[quote:65c6abe41e=\"bibleprotector\"][quote:65c6abe41e=\"zankai\"]William Tyndale did not pioneer Biblical English; he simply wrote in [b:65c6abe41e]Early Modern English[/b:65c6abe41e], and also the KJB is about 85% similiar to Tyndales OT and NT.[/quote:65c6abe41e]

If Tyndale wrote merely in Early Modern English, then how is it that his language use, as well as that of the KJB translators differs so distinctly from the normal-to-scholarly English being used in the Reformation era? Obviously the Biblical English is higher than natural, mundane English.[/quote:65c6abe41e]
First, the KJB translators, or poets, kept to the style of Tyndale; second, Tyndale imitated constructions from the original Hebrew and Greek.

The grammar is that of Early Modern English, but the style, which can be done in any thing, is of our ancients.

[quote:65c6abe41e=\"bibleprotector\"]
The problem is that you have no final standard of appeal to point to, so there is no measure for your opinion other than your own opinion. Where is the objective standard of the exact perfect Word of God if it is not the received truth of the KJB?[/quote:65c6abe41e]
Rules come from strict grammar, and style comes from our ancient Hebrew and Greek.

So Early Modern English in a Biblical Style would be more and properly accurate.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1698', '53b2f5b880', 'Jehovah or Jah?', 'Jehovah and Jah both occur as the name of God.

Why do we have 2 different names for God?

Is Jah a corruption?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1699', '9120040adc', 'No.', '[quote:9120040adc]Is Jah a corruption?[/quote:9120040adc]
I don\'t know why you use the word &quot;corruption&quot;. Wouldn\'t it have been best merely to ask, &quot;Why is JAH used in the Bible?&quot;

Of course, JAH is not a corruption but a shortened version of JEHOVAH.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1700', '3f5efd7451', '', '[quote:3f5efd7451]So Early Modern English in a Biblical Style would be more and properly accurate.[/quote:3f5efd7451]

Actually, the grammar itself is not restricted to Early Modern English, so while the style is Biblical, the English use is not the same as how a learned person in 1611 used English.

This is attested to by even fairly secular Anglican historians such as Alister McGrath.

This means that what might be a rule covering how &quot;to&quot; and &quot;unto&quot; are used in proper English is not exactly the same with the rules of how such words are used in the Bible. Yes, many times they may be the same, but the Biblical use is much more complex or particularly accurate than learned good and proper English.

Denying this would be tending toward a secularist view that the KJB men were &quot;poets&quot; or that Tyndale really is responsible for much of the AV. While this in part is factual, the greater element here is to be spiritually discerned not carnally explained. Unless the perfection of the provision of God is recognised in his use of natural events and men, we will be merely looking at &quot;learned men&quot; not at the over all rule of God.

Thus, the KJB is NOT merely good literature, or the best monument, but is in fact God\'s very Word.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1701', 'c6428566f2', '', 'That\'s like saying &quot;Nicolas&quot; and &quot;Nick&quot; where the same person is meant.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1702', 'e6569811dc', '', '[quote:e6569811dc=\"bibleprotector\"][quote:e6569811dc]So Early Modern English in a Biblical Style would be more and properly accurate.[/quote:e6569811dc]

Actually, the grammar itself is not restricted to Early Modern English, so while the style is Biblical, the English use is not the same as how a learned person in 1611 used English.[/quote:e6569811dc]
The grammar rules are exactly the same.

[quote:e6569811dc=\"bibleprotector\"]
This is attested to by even fairly secular Anglican historians such as Alister McGrath.[/quote:e6569811dc]
Can you give more specific citations?

[quote:e6569811dc=\"bibleprotector\"]
This means that what might be a rule covering how &quot;to&quot; and &quot;unto&quot; are used in proper English is not exactly the same with the rules of how such words are used in the Bible. Yes, many times they may be the same, but the Biblical use is much more complex or particularly accurate than learned good and proper English.[/quote:e6569811dc]

There is only [b:e6569811dc]one[/b:e6569811dc] way that [i:e6569811dc]to[/i:e6569811dc] and [i:e6569811dc]unto[/i:e6569811dc] can be used. And Tyndale, and KJB, use them correctly, according to Early Modern English grammar.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1703', '9765877a86', '', 'And what about the phrase, Hallelu Jah. 

Why do we pronounce, Hallelu Yah?

If we look at the [url=http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&amp;query=IAH&amp;section=0&amp;translation=kja&amp;oq=IEHOVAH&amp;new=1]original 1611[/url], we find Iah, which is, Yah.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1704', 'c0de800937', 'Look.', '[quote:c0de800937]And what about the phrase, Hallelu Jah. [/quote:c0de800937]
The KJB is consistent. Look in a concordance and you\'ll see that the KJB does not use &quot;Hallelujah&quot; but instead &quot;Alleluia&quot;. It\'s simple when you trust that God has provided His exact and perfect Word.

It\'s the modernists that want to change the name of God away from &quot;JEHOVAH&quot;.

[quote:c0de800937]we find Iah, which is, Yah.[/quote:c0de800937]
No, that\'s not right at all. I mean that it\'s not pronounced &quot;Yah&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1705', '60f1c0ba29', 'Re: Look.', 'Then why do we have Jah — if Alleluia is Hallelu Yah?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1706', '30ddc35369', '', 'If the grammar rules of Biblical English are exactly the same as what was used in Early Modern English at the time of Tyndale, how is it that all the editorial work took place afterward, such as by Dr Blayney in 1769, which made various small changes in the grammar?

Comparing the English in written form from the 1500s shows that the normal language does indeed differ to the language used by the King James Bible.

McGrath, on page 266 of his &quot;In the beginning&quot;, gives insight which confirms this: &quot;By the sixteenth century, the use of the singular form to address a single individual had virtually ceased in English ... A careful study of the court records of ... Durham suggests that \'you\' had replaced \'thou\' ...&quot; On page 269 he explains that the KJB had English use which was not even the way people used English. On the next pages he points out that Shakespeare had various words with –s endings instead of always having -eth endings. Thus, Biblical English was different to ordinary English.

As for “to”, the OED lists many definitions and usage, so it would be wrong to claim that there is only one way in which “to” is used: e.g. “Go to” of Genesis 11:3 is not the same as “to day” at Genesis 30:32. Biblical English, while many times the epitome and even setting the standard for proper English use, is nevertheless superior, especially once we start looking at “neesings”, “veil”, etc. A strict comparison of an edition printed in 1611 to the PCE would show in all kinds of instances the need for the standardisation that took place, which would defy something like Tyndale, if Tyndale’s English was used as the model. Tyndale didn’t use apostrophes, for example.

Clearly, then, it is debasing the Biblical form to reduce it to being categorised as the proper English from Tyndale’s time, which is a literary, secular and but penultimate view.

The highest view is to point to the PCE as the definitive form of Biblical English, a language belonging to no specific time, nor to any limited group people.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1707', '3a802c445e', '', '[quote:3a802c445e=\"zankai\"]we find Iah, which is, Yah.[/quote:3a802c445e]

You are changing the Word of God. The 1611 Edition has &quot;Iah&quot;, that\'s the character &quot;i&quot;, not &quot;y&quot;. But then, go years later, and KJBs have &quot;Jah&quot;. Surely, everyone knew that the &quot;J&quot; sound was used, and the letter &quot;I&quot; was used represent it, because the use of the capital &quot;J&quot; was not yet fully established. In all that, there is no case to question the word &quot;Jah&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1708', '5414f6df34', '', '[quote:5414f6df34=\"zankai\"]And what about the phrase, Hallelu Jah. 

Why do we pronounce, Hallelu Yah?[/quote:5414f6df34]

We don\'t. That word is not in Scripture text of the Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1709', '0725ae1520', '', '[quote:0725ae1520=\"bibleprotector\"][quote:0725ae1520=\"zankai\"]we find Iah, which is, Yah.[/quote:0725ae1520]

You are changing the Word of God. The 1611 Edition has &quot;Iah&quot;, that\'s the character &quot;i&quot;, not &quot;y&quot;. But then, go years later, and KJBs have &quot;Jah&quot;. Surely, everyone knew that the &quot;J&quot; sound was used, and the letter &quot;I&quot; was used represent it, because the use of the capital &quot;J&quot; was not yet fully established. In all that, there is no case to question the word &quot;Jah&quot;.[/quote:0725ae1520]

But Hebrew did not formerly have the J sound?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1710', '85aa781c79', 'Re: Look.', '[quote:85aa781c79=\"zankai\"]Then why do we have Jah — if Alleluia is Hallelu Yah?[/quote:85aa781c79]

Notice that the NT was written in Greek. That means there was a process of &quot;Hellenisation&quot; of Hebrew words into Greek. For example, &quot;Elisha&quot; became &quot;Eliseus&quot;, &quot;Noah&quot; &quot;Noe&quot;, etc., etc. Thus, the Hebrew for praise ye the Lord, when compounded into a new word (the OT has &quot;Praise ye the LORD&quot;), the compounded form also was Hellenised, so that the word for LORD (which in Hebrew obviously is &quot;Jah&quot;) became &quot;ia&quot; in the compounding and contraction in Greek.

When a word was changed without compounding, like &quot;Joshua&quot; or &quot;Jesse&quot; or &quot;Judah&quot;, we find that in Greek and Latin the sound of &quot;J&quot; was still retained, we have &quot;Jesus&quot;, &quot;Jesse&quot; and &quot;Judah&quot;, &quot;Juda&quot; and &quot;Judaea&quot; in the NT. We also have &quot;Jew&quot;, &quot;Jerusalem&quot;, etc.

We might also note that using &quot;-ia&quot; as an ending is also common in Hebrew, for although we have words which have an &quot;-ij-&quot; sequence, which retains the &quot;-jah&quot; at the end of Hebrew words, many occassions we have another form, as in &quot;Isaiah&quot;, etc.

Clearly, therefore, we have &quot;j&quot; in Hebrew, and times when, in contraction, we just have &quot;-ia&quot; in Hebrew. Thus, our correct English giving the proper pronunciation at every several place.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1711', '0a22d14425', '', '[quote:0a22d14425=\"zankai\"]But Hebrew did not formerly have the J sound?[/quote:0a22d14425]

Were you there?

I have the word from one who was.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1712', '3224354a99', '', '[quote:3224354a99=\"bibleprotector\"]If the grammar rules of Biblical English are exactly the same as what was used in Early Modern English at the time of Tyndale, how is it that all the editorial work took place afterward, such as by Dr Blayney in 1769, which made various small changes in the grammar?

Comparing the English in written form from the 1500s shows that the normal language does indeed differ to the language used by the King James Bible.

McGrath, on page 266 of his &quot;In the beginning&quot;, gives insight which confirms this: &quot;By the sixteenth century, the use of the singular form to address a single individual had virtually ceased in English ... A careful study of the court records of ... Durham suggests that \'you\' had replaced \'thou\' ...&quot; On page 269 he explains that the KJB had English use which was not even the way people used English. On the next pages he points out that Shakespeare had various words with –s endings instead of always having -eth endings. Thus, Biblical English was different to ordinary English.[/quote:3224354a99]

Tyndale wrote in Early Modern English.

The KJB editors did not wish to change this.

It is that simple.

And the rules for punctuation, including apostrophes, is not related to grammar.

[quote:3224354a99=\"bibleprotector\"]
As for “to”, the OED lists many definitions and usage, so it would be wrong to claim that there is only one way in which “to” is used: e.g. “Go to” of Genesis 11:3 is not the same as “to day” at Genesis 30:32. Biblical English, while many times the epitome and even setting the standard for proper English use, is nevertheless superior, especially once we start looking at “neesings”, “veil”, etc. A strict comparison of an edition printed in 1611 to the PCE would show in all kinds of instances the need for the standardisation that took place, which would defy something like Tyndale, if Tyndale’s English was used as the model. Tyndale didn’t use apostrophes, for example.[/quote:3224354a99]
Sorry, I meant that the difference between [i:3224354a99]to[/i:3224354a99] and [i:3224354a99]unto[/i:3224354a99] is only one rule.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1713', '48f6bcb9a7', '', '[quote:48f6bcb9a7=\"zankai\"]Tyndale wrote in Early Modern English.

The KJB editors did not wish to change this.

It is that simple.[/quote:48f6bcb9a7]

That would mean that the KJB today is the proper English being spoken/written at Tyndale\'s time.

There is just so much to show that is wrong. There are numerous grammar, spelling and punctuation differences between the &quot;proper&quot; English of King Henry VIII\'s time and any edition of the KJB today.

[quote:48f6bcb9a7=\"zankai\"]And the rules for punctuation, including apostrophes, is not related to grammar.[/quote:48f6bcb9a7]

Really? Biblical English covers everything. It covers moods, tenses, grammar, spelling and punctuation.

It is clear that there is no actual entity, book or authority at all which lays out what exactly is the supposed proper English of Tyndale’s time, let alone the ability to conform the KJB to it.

I see that you would wish to change the KJB to be in line with the grammatical rules of Tyndale\'s time. That makes you some sort of a revisionist and &quot;corrector&quot;. And you must reject editing like Blayney\'s and the PCE in order to go to your preferred position.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1714', 'f84d991202', '', '[quote:f84d991202=\"zankai\"]But J was formerly the Y sound.[/quote:f84d991202]

So you say. So the world says. But that is not what the Bible says.

Reality shows that the sound for &quot;J&quot; must have been in Hebrew, Latin and English.

I mean, various people did not start spontaneously using a sound which previously did not exist in Medieval times.

I am not saying that English and Hebrew sounds are identical, but it is clear that using modern interpretation and modern Hebrew use is greatly flawed. Those people have present-day theories about the past and an evolutionary view of language (also adopted by many theologians into their model of linguistics).

Clearly, the English use of &quot;J&quot; in translation came out of a tradition which went back past the Masoretes.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1715', '82b55b78c8', '', 'Also, the KJB has &quot;Jod&quot; in Psalm 119.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1716', '9ae53da2e4', '', '[quote:9ae53da2e4=\"bibleprotector\"][quote:9ae53da2e4=\"zankai\"]Tyndale wrote in Early Modern English.

The KJB editors did not wish to change this.

It is that simple.[/quote:9ae53da2e4]

That would mean that the KJB today is the proper English being spoken/written at Tyndale\'s time.

There is just so much to show that is wrong. There are numerous grammar, spelling and punctuation differences between the &quot;proper&quot; English of King Henry VIII\'s time and any edition of the KJB today.[/quote:9ae53da2e4]

But I have read old protestant essays and they match the grammar of Tyndale. 

[quote:9ae53da2e4=\"bibleprotector\"]
[quote:9ae53da2e4=\"zankai\"]And the rules for punctuation, including apostrophes, is not related to grammar.[/quote:9ae53da2e4]

Really? Biblical English covers everything. It covers moods, tenses, grammar, spelling and punctuation.

It is clear that there is no actual entity, book or authority at all which lays out what exactly is the supposed proper English of Tyndale’s time, let alone the ability to conform the KJB to it.[/quote:9ae53da2e4]
Moods and tenses [b:9ae53da2e4]are[/b:9ae53da2e4] grammar.
And there are many sources that [i:9ae53da2e4]show[/i:9ae53da2e4] proper Early Modern English grammar rules.

[quote:9ae53da2e4=\"bibleprotector\"]
I see that you would wish to change the KJB to be in line with the grammatical rules of Tyndale\'s time. That makes you some sort of a revisionist and &quot;corrector&quot;. And you must reject editing like Blayney\'s and the PCE in order to go to your preferred position.[/quote:9ae53da2e4]

Not at all.

Many of the changes I desire I made by Blayney and PCE.

It is not that I reject them, but that I wish to go even higher, to perfection.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1717', '3b924d0b6d', '', '[quote:3b924d0b6d]Its sound value is IPA: [j] in all languages for which it is used; in many languages[/quote:3b924d0b6d]
[quote:3b924d0b6d]In both Biblical and modern Hebrew, Yud represents a palatal approximant (IPA: [j]).[/quote:3b924d0b6d]

The IPA [j] sound is the sound of the English Y, so our J was formerly Y.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yodh[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1718', 'fd3f48219c', 'Hmmm ...', 'Hmmm ... Wikipedia or the PCE? Which one should I believe????

Now, that\'s a hard one, eh!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1719', '8961e225d2', 'Re: Hmmm ...', '[quote:8961e225d2=\"KJBman777\"]Hmmm ... Wikipedia or the PCE? Which one should I believe????

Now, that\'s a hard one, eh![/quote:8961e225d2]

[b:8961e225d2]Every site[/b:8961e225d2] says that the Hebrew Yod is pronounced as Y, which is why it is called Yod and not Jod.

[b:8961e225d2]Now I am not saying that the PCE is wrong, I am saying that our understanding is wrong.[/b:8961e225d2]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1720', '01053122cc', '', 'That so-called perfection does not exist.

To uphold the rudimentary form of English from the time of Tyndale as the final authority is not the strongest position. The strongest position is to see Biblical English itself as greater than the English used by even Protestant leaders, and to uphold it. 

We see a progression to perfection in Biblical English. It is perfect as it stands. This is because the authority of itself is self-validating.

There is no final standard of appeal existing in Tyndale\'s time which is exactly perfect or complete in regards to English.

Remember, the KJB is 15% different to Tyndale. That\'s how much improvement was required.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1721', '2ce6192816', 'Re: Hmmm ...', '[quote:2ce6192816=\"zankai\"][b:2ce6192816]Every site[/b:2ce6192816] says that the Hebrew Yod is pronounced as Y, which is why it is called Yod and not Jod.[/quote:2ce6192816]

Really? I know various KJBO people who don\'t agree.

Also, just because many sites say it doesn\'t make it true. The same applies to evolution.

[quote:2ce6192816=\"zankai\"][b:2ce6192816]Now I am not saying that the PCE is wrong, I am saying that our understanding is wrong.[/b:2ce6192816][/quote:2ce6192816]

If &quot;jod&quot; is wrong, then the KJB is wrong. You are promoting &quot;y&quot; over &quot;j&quot;, but that is not what the KJB has.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1722', 'd936703842', '', '[quote:d936703842=\"bibleprotector\"]That so-called perfection does not exist.

To uphold the rudimentary form of English from the time of Tyndale as the final authority is not the strongest position. The strongest position is to see Biblical English itself as greater than the English used by even Protestant leaders, and to uphold it.[/quote:d936703842]

The English that they used was the [b:d936703842]same[/b:d936703842].');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1723', 'b4bea53e10', 'Re: Hmmm ...', '[quote:b4bea53e10=\"bibleprotector\"][quote:b4bea53e10=\"zankai\"][b:b4bea53e10]Every site[/b:b4bea53e10] says that the Hebrew Yod is pronounced as Y, which is why it is called Yod and not Jod.[/quote:b4bea53e10]

Really? I know various KJBO people who don\'t agree.

Also, just because many sites say it doesn\'t make it true[/quote:b4bea53e10]

Are you able to show one good source that says that the Hebrew Yod is not pronounced as the IPA: /j/? (which is English Y, as I said.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1724', 'cb9d889cfe', '', 'If the English of the KJB really is the same as what was considered or existed as the proper English circa 1530, why are there numerous differences in the presentation in KJB editions from 1611?

Why is there no existing articulation of that idea anywhere? Why did the editors of the KJB never express their intent to go back to Tyndale-era &quot;proper&quot; normal Early Modern English?

Why is it that no one actually has said that the KJB has English which was &quot;perfect&quot; back circa 1530?

How is it that the KJB use some wordings which match to Latin forms which came into English AFTER Tyndale\'s time?

How can that explain the divisions in words like &quot;vail&quot; and &quot;veil&quot;? By appealing to a non-existing standard (where is the perfect proper English standard of Tyndale\'s time?) it would also negate the useful editing of 1769, which avowedly does not &quot;go back to Tyndale&quot;, but accepts the standardisation which was then recent.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1725', '7e319be90c', '', 'Since there is no Hebrew &quot;yod&quot;, the criteria is false.

And the one supreme good source is the Bible itself. It has &quot;Jod&quot;.

The English &quot;Jod&quot; in Psalm 119 is correct, because that did not pop out of nowhere, but under the hands of editors, by learned translators, via proper tradition, came from the Hebrew.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1726', '1427b58abc', '', '[quote:1427b58abc=\"zankai\"]It is not that I reject them, but that I wish to go even higher, to perfection.[/quote:1427b58abc]

I suspect that quest, if realised, would result in some sort of diverging from the KJB.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1727', '16b6201098', '', 'Then can you show one good source that says that the Hebrew Jod is pronounced as IPA:d&#658;, which is J, and not as IPA:j, which is Y?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1728', 'aafb97914c', '', '[quote:aafb97914c=\"bibleprotector\"][quote:aafb97914c=\"zankai\"]It is not that I reject them, but that I wish to go even higher, to perfection.[/quote:aafb97914c]

I suspect that quest, if realised, would result in some sort of diverging from the KJB.[/quote:aafb97914c]

The changes are so small that the average person would not notice them, similar to the PCE.

Yet the PCE and KJB [b:aafb97914c]do follow the rules of[/b:aafb97914c] Early Modern English.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1729', 'c63886313b', 'Not believing.', '[quote:c63886313b]Then can you show one good source that says that the Hebrew Jod is pronounced as IPA:d&#658;, which is J, and not as IPA:j, which is Y?[/quote:c63886313b]
You are clearly not believing [u:c63886313b][b:c63886313b]the one good source [/b:c63886313b][/u:c63886313b]we have in our hands now, namely the PCE. Yet, you say: &quot;Now I am not saying that the PCE is wrong&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1730', '71bc4d9920', 'Re: Not believing.', '[quote:71bc4d9920=\"KJBman777\"][quote:71bc4d9920]Then can you show one good source that says that the Hebrew Jod is pronounced as IPA:d&#658;, which is J, and not as IPA:j, which is Y?[/quote:71bc4d9920]
You are clearly not believing [u:71bc4d9920][b:71bc4d9920]the one good source [/b:71bc4d9920][/u:71bc4d9920]we have in our hands now, namely the PCE.[/quote:71bc4d9920]

[b:71bc4d9920]What do you say about the fact that ancient and modern Hebrew speakers do not pronounce it as a English J?[/b:71bc4d9920]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1731', 'a8aa740510', '', '[quote:a8aa740510=\"zankai\"]The changes are so small that the average person would not notice them, similar to the PCE.[/quote:a8aa740510]

So you admit to subtle changes.

[quote:a8aa740510=\"zankai\"]Yet the PCE and KJB [b:a8aa740510]do follow the rules of[/b:a8aa740510] Early Modern English.[/quote:a8aa740510]

Certainly there are links, but Biblical English is superior to Early Modern English.

There are plenty of examples of particular words which are used correctly in the PCE, which would be destroyed by the misguided method of attempting to conform to Henry VIII-era proper English.

Perhaps &quot;faint&quot; better be turned to &quot;faine&quot;, and &quot;ask&quot; be turned to &quot;axe&quot;, and &quot;thigh&quot; to &quot;thye&quot;... what confusion that would bring, since the word &quot;fain&quot; is in the KJB, and &quot;axe&quot;, and &quot;thy&quot;.

And what about &quot;chapt&quot; in the KJB, what on earth could that be changed to? Perhaps you could guess &quot;chapped&quot; ... but which source do you have to be certain?

What about &quot;sneezed&quot; and &quot;neesings&quot;? I suppose we\'d have to lose that distinction.

How about “strain at a gnat”?

No, the KJB is superior to Early Modern English.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1732', 'b80fc19742', '', 'How can you claim that ancient Hebrew speakers did not have a sound like &quot;j&quot;?

And how is it that unbelieving people are somehow more authority than the Scripture and Protestant Christians?

Clearly the Scripture says JEHOVAH, and we are not going to change the jots and tittles of Scripture.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1733', '232694feac', '', '[quote:232694feac=\"bibleprotector\"]How can you claim that ancient Hebrew speakers did not have a sound like &quot;j&quot;?[/quote:232694feac]

There is [b:232694feac]no evidence[/b:232694feac] at all to suggest that Jod changed from an English J to an English Y.

Therefore we should obviously pronounce the J as IPA:j like everybody says, like Modern Hebrew, leaving JEHOVAH pronounced as YEHOVAH.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1734', 'f891a3c289', '', '[quote:f891a3c289=\"bibleprotector\"][quote:f891a3c289=\"zankai\"]The changes are so small that the average person would not notice them, similar to the PCE.[/quote:f891a3c289]

So you admit to subtle changes.

[quote:f891a3c289=\"zankai\"]Yet the PCE and KJB [b:f891a3c289]do follow the rules of[/b:f891a3c289] Early Modern English.[/quote:f891a3c289]

Certainly there are links, but Biblical English is superior to Early Modern English.

There are plenty of examples of particular words which are used correctly in the PCE, which would be destroyed by the misguided method of attempting to conform to Henry VIII-era proper English.

Perhaps &quot;faint&quot; better be turned to &quot;faine&quot;, and &quot;ask&quot; be turned to &quot;axe&quot;, and &quot;thigh&quot; to &quot;thye&quot;... what confusion that would bring, since the word &quot;fain&quot; is in the KJB, and &quot;axe&quot;, and &quot;thy&quot;.

And what about &quot;chapt&quot; in the KJB, what on earth could that be changed to? Perhaps you could guess &quot;chapped&quot; ... but which source do you have to be certain?

What about &quot;sneezed&quot; and &quot;neesings&quot;? I suppose we\'d have to lose that distinction.

How about “strain at a gnat”?

No, the KJB is superior to Early Modern English.[/quote:f891a3c289]

This is mostly orthography.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1735', '05e0d0697e', '', 'So, even though the Bible has &quot;j&quot;, you are going to insist on &quot;y&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1736', 'e5767ba887', '', 'Orthography is important in Biblical English. Clearly, you are not concerned with the preservation of the correct and received jots and tittles of Scripture.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1737', '17d32692b4', '', '[quote:17d32692b4=\"bibleprotector\"]Orthography is important in Biblical English. Clearly, you are not concerned with the preservation of the correct and received jots and tittles of Scripture.[/quote:17d32692b4]

When I speak of Early Modern English, I, of course, include reformed orthography, which is why I say they are the same, grammar wise.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1738', '3078369f7d', '', 'And what, pray tell, is &quot;reformed orthography&quot;? Does that mean the orthography that the Reformer William Tyndale used?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1739', 'f690a61506', '', '[quote:f690a61506=\"bibleprotector\"]So, even though the Bible has &quot;j&quot;, you are going to insist on &quot;y&quot;.[/quote:f690a61506]

Yes; Hebrew, Latin, and Greek, [b:f690a61506]do not[/b:f690a61506] have the English J sound — its origin is from the romance languages combing IPA:j and IPA:g.

This is a fact, but formerly I was used for the sound Y, which is why we had IEHOVAH.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1740', '4315ef4305', '', '[quote:4315ef4305=\"bibleprotector\"]And what, pray tell, is &quot;reformed orthography&quot;? Does that mean the orthography that the Refomer William Tyndale used?[/quote:4315ef4305]

18th century I believe.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1741', 'fe6a60ee38', '', 'Clearly then the Biblical English of the 18th century is superior to the English spoken and used at the time of William Tyndale.

Zankai has been removed for comments which were needful to expunge.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1742', '7b5839047d', '', '&quot;I&quot; for &quot;Y&quot;? There no Scripture to back that up, and the fact is that &quot;I&quot; was used for &quot;J&quot; in early editions of the KJB. Check calligraphy from Early Modern England.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1743', '9b5bc9608e', 'The Protector, 3 October 2010', '[img:9b5bc9608e]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:9b5bc9608e]

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[size=18:9b5bc9608e][color=darkblue:9b5bc9608e]EDITORIAL[/color:9b5bc9608e][/size:9b5bc9608e]

RESPONSE TO COL STRINGER’S BOOK “800 HORSEMEN”.

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Col Stringer’s book, “800 Horsemen” talks about the Australian Light Horse (mounted infantry) who fought against the Turks in the Middle East during the First World War. The Australians and New Zealanders were especially effective in liberating Palestine.

Col Stringer focuses on the promise that God gave to Abraham, “And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.” (Genesis 12:3). Australia, he argues, has been blessed because we helped Abraham’s descendants. He links this with a prophecy by Smith Wigglesworth, which states that the outpouring of the Spirit should come to Australia — except we don’t know if Wigglesworth even really said this prophecy (see Acts 2:17, 39). And Col Stringer also links to the mistaken idea that a Roman Catholic claimed Australia to be “The Great South Land of the Holy Spirit”. This is actually a deception, because de Quiros was a fanatic who hated Protestantism, who named a small island in the Pacific by that title, and it has nothing at all to do with Australia’s prophetic destiny. (Sadly, many Pentecostals agree with the Pope’s claims on this issue, but it is entirely misguided for them to do so.)

If we take the Biblical view, we would soon see that while God has a special place for the Jews, He also has an important role for believers. According to Galatians 3, it is the Christian who has the blessing, so we do not have to get the blessing from the Jews. We already have the blessing. Furthermore, the Bible says that the Jews are in darkness, and need to be born again. Thus, unless they join with us, they are not in any special position. However, we know that they must join with us because the Bible says that Israel shall be saved. Thus, we should not be ashamed of our Word of Faith Pentecostal religion, and act as if the Jews have some special blessing or more light on the Scripture than we do.

Col Stringer says that Australia has a place in God’s plan, but he hardly recognises what it is. Australia is NOT called, as such, to be the Great Southland of the Holy Spirit. If we look at Scripture, we find out some real promises, which are far more excellent:

1. God’s true Word must be established in Australia, NZ, etc. “and the isles shall wait for his law.” (Isa 42:4b).

2. There must be a restoration of the knowledge of the Scripture and the increase of true Christianity in Australia, NZ, etc. “All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD” (Ps. 22:27a). “Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth” (Isaiah 45:22a).

3. Pentecostals with the King James Bible in English preach to the Jews, “For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.” (Isaiah 28:11).

4. The people of God must reach the Jews, and the Jews shall be converted: “I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.” (Romans 10:19b). And, “... that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.” (Romans 11:31b).

How is it that some people, who call themselves “Word of Faith Pentecostals”, who should be on the cutting edge of Scripture and prophecy, are rushing after Jewish fables and Hebrew mysteries, rather than converting the Jews to our spiritual refreshing?

While Col Stringer also wastes time praising the Knights of Malta and Napoleon, he does honour those men who served our nation, and he does recognise that unless Israel exists a nation, there would be no way to fulfil various prophecies.

[size=18:9b5bc9608e][color=darkblue:9b5bc9608e]NEWS[/color:9b5bc9608e][/size:9b5bc9608e]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:9b5bc9608e]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:9b5bc9608e]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

“Textus Receptus Onlyism” presentation:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_WEX3VJz9E[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:9b5bc9608e][color=darkblue:9b5bc9608e]DIRECTORY[/color:9b5bc9608e][/size:9b5bc9608e]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1744', '4327342876', 'The Protector, 10 October 2010', '[img:4327342876]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:4327342876]

[color=red:4327342876]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:4327342876]

WELCOME! [i:4327342876]The Protector[/i:4327342876] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:4327342876][color=darkblue:4327342876]EDITORIAL[/color:4327342876][/size:4327342876]

KEEPING THE FOUNDATION RIGHT

There are many problems in the world today and many issues facing the Church. In recognising and dealing with various things, the most important point is to affirm the foundation of the authority of Scripture.

“If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” (Psalm 11:3).

This has been recognised in the area of Creationism (see illustration below).

The Bible version issue actually is based on the same principles. When doctrine on Bible versions is based on man’s opinion, instead of God’s Word, it will follow that there will be corruption set up to replace God’s Word.

A major reason why many Christians are compromised on various issues is because they do not have a solid footing. For example, the doctrine of creationism was taught from the King James Bible. As the foundation of the King James Bible is replaced, then the effectiveness of communicating the doctrine of creation would grow weaker. Some creationists have gone off the track in areas because of this very issue.

If we say we uphold the authority of Scripture from the very first verse, we had better be able to identify what is Scripture 100% of the time. One prominent creation scientist has made the claim, “we have the original text to 99% accuracy in the Old Testament and &gt;98% in the New Testament. Most of the variation in the remaining &lt;2% is merely stylistic, and not a single doctrine of Christianity relies on a debatable text.”

How can thousands of words be merely a stylistic issue and have no effect on any doctrine? What about the doctrine that states, “Every word of God is pure”? (Prov. 30:5a).

[img:4327342876]http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/overheads/images/oh20020524_118.jpg[/img:4327342876]

[size=18:4327342876][color=darkblue:4327342876]NEWS[/color:4327342876][/size:4327342876]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:4327342876]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:4327342876]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

“Textus Receptus Onlyism” presentation:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_WEX3VJz9E[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:4327342876][color=darkblue:4327342876]DIRECTORY[/color:4327342876][/size:4327342876]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1745', 'f2e290b2d1', 'God is faithful', 'It\'s important to be in the Word of God every day. In doing this, we are drawing nigh to God, and are continually reminded of His faithfulness. If we have His Word within us, it will rise up on a daily basis and we will be less likely to doubt God\'s Word. He is always faithful, we just have to guard our own hearts from doubt and unbelief.

&quot;Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse [i:f2e290b2d1]your [/i:f2e290b2d1]hands, [i:f2e290b2d1]ye [/i:f2e290b2d1]sinners; and purify [i:f2e290b2d1]your [/i:f2e290b2d1]hearts, [i:f2e290b2d1]ye [/i:f2e290b2d1]double minded.&quot; (James 4:8)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1746', '5064bc830b', 'confusing?', 'I wonder how many who read this exchange became confused once or twice? I did. In fact it was confusion that led me back from modern translations to the PCE. I dislike confusion.

I find it interesting that the modern translations all claim the King James Bible has &quot;added&quot; verses that the so-called majority manuscripts do not contain. Fine, then stand by that premise and boldly remove those verses from your modern translation. After all, if they do not belong then the King James Bible has them added incorrectly. Don\'t put a covering footnote that says some manuscripts had them - just take them out. If they don\'t belong in the book don\'t put them in. Period.

And if those verses were added to the King James Bible in error and the modern translations are correct, which one is the correct translation? The Revised? The English Standard Version? The Revised English Bible?

Very confusing, wouldn\'t you agree?

&quot;For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.&quot; 1 Cor 14:33

My final authority is the King James Bible, which is God\'s word. I have no more need for the originals, I have my King James Bible. And yes, my King James Bible is the same Cambridge text that we call the &quot;Pure Cambridge Edition.&quot; Since I have abandoned the modern translations and returned to the King James Bible, which was the only Bible I knew as a child, I find myself less confused. Am I surprised? Not in the slightest, God promised me peace as I cited above.

Harley');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1747', '44c25894e9', 'Wikipedia:Academic use', '[quote:44c25894e9=\"KJBman777\"]Hmmm ... Wikipedia or the PCE? Which one should I believe????

Now, that\'s a hard one, eh![/quote:44c25894e9]

Hi Pastor Craig, thought you\'d like to see this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academic_use

&quot;Wikipedia is not considered a credible source. Wikipedia is increasingly used by people in the academic community, from first-year students to professors, as an easily accessible tertiary source for information about anything and everything. However, citation of Wikipedia in research papers may not be considered acceptable, because Wikipedia is not considered a credible source.&quot;

&quot;While reading Wikipedia articles for research, remember to consider the information carefully, and never treat what is on Wikipedia as wholesale truth.&quot;

Not my opinion (although I wholeheartily agree), straight from the &quot;source&quot;

Harley');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1748', '725b1ce6c5', '', 'Things are simple if we actually believe God\'s Word.

Also, God is able to teach us wise things, and make hard things able to be understood by us.

Ps 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1749', 'a0b6cfa1eb', 'Amazing!', 'This is my first post!  Take heed to my words.  My name is Martin Richling.  I have read through the King James Bible well over 100 times cover to cover.  I still read through it monthly.  This started in 1996.  Up to that point, I was a Roman Catholic child of the Devil but by the grace of God, I NOW believe in Jesus and my faith is in his blood as the propitiation for my sins.  Romans 3:24-26
I have just found this site.  Here are my comments.
Matthew, THANK GOD FOR YOUR FAITHFULNESS TO MAKE AVAILABLE UNTO ME THE PCE.  I read it ONLY: as EVERY JOT AND TITLE to me is important: to think less, is to be AN HERETIC!  That is, if you know what God says about his words and word, you will BELIEVE that HIS BOOK DOES EXIST on this earth today, JUST AS HE WOULD HAVE IT TO EXIST.
It is really a FAITH ISSUE!
I believe God....
I have so much more to say...  Lord willing, I will be posting much more in the days ahead.  But Matthew, you have a fellow-soldier and friend of truth in me! And anyone else who thinks like Matthew, Amen!
Also, I have tried to email you brother, and I cannot seem to have it go through.  Please do contact me as I have much to tell you privately regarding a PCE radio broadcast that I will be starting on November 1, 2010.  Thanks again for your work for THE TRUTH.  I have printed out your PCE and have had it leather bound in the most excellent of bindings and that is ALL I now read...  Up to this point, I have read a Collins PCE that is correct in the 12 places you list and correct in Ezra 2 as well.  My love unto you in Christ Jesus our Lord and ONLY Savior.  Farewell.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1750', 'e4f0ed6548', 'Thank you!', 'I have printed this book out and had it bound.  It is now a part of my library.  Which only consists of---
1. The Holy Scriptures (PCE)
2. Foxe\'s Book of Martyrs (true unabridged edition over 3000 pages)
3. Vatican Assassins by Eric Jon Phelps
4. This great book by you Matthew.
That is my library...
I only need holy writ: but the others listed agree with holy writ.
Amen.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1751', '173975d821', '', 'Thanks for that (though I wouldn\'t imply that all ignorant Christians are heretics).  Look forward to more.

My email is here: www.bibleprotector.com/contact');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1752', 'cc228df12f', '', 'There are various other good books around, like the Pilgrim\'s Progress. But I am glad you esteem my book. Most importantly, we uphold God\'s Book. Praise God for His Word: &quot;In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me.&quot; (Ps. 56:4).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1753', '519457d87c', 'Yes.', 'Thanks Harley,

It\'s a fact most universities won\'t allow Wikipedia to be used as a credible source of information.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1754', '84ededb047', 'The Protector, 17 October 2010', '[img:84ededb047]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:84ededb047]

[color=red:84ededb047]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:84ededb047]

WELCOME! [i:84ededb047]The Protector[/i:84ededb047] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:84ededb047][color=darkblue:84ededb047]EDITORIAL[/color:84ededb047][/size:84ededb047]

RESTORING THE FOUNDATION

For many years, Australia had a foundational policy to keep immigration “white”. This was a somewhat racist approach toward keeping Australia’s traditional British-derived culture. However, many of the ideas expressed were not evolutionary- or biologically-inspired, but were based on the preservation of esteemed values — ideals which were consistent with the Christian faith.

The threat that large numbers of foreigners brought was to challenge the Australian identity. If Australia was a loyal part of the British Empire/Commonwealth, an influx of differently-minded people would indeed alter the course of the nation and its institutions. This would be very bad indeed, both religiously and nationally.

While, from a Biblical perspective, modern racism is evil, the notion of cultural preservation, where the upholding of “Protestantism” was clearly mentioned (and it was by the Australian Founding Fathers to beyond the 1950s), is quite commendable.

The real blight has come in with the active rejection of the proper ideals, and with the active dismantling of Biblical values and virtues in the Australian Commonwealth. Thankfully, the previous years of sowing cannot be easily erased. (In God’s providence, He even had one offending Prime Minister removed from office!)

“Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.” (Prov. 14:34).

It is essential that we keep our Christian faith and continue to uphold the King James Bible. This is the vital thing which is required for the future wellbeing of the nation.

“And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.” (Isaiah 58:12).

[size=18:84ededb047][color=darkblue:84ededb047]NEWS[/color:84ededb047][/size:84ededb047]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:84ededb047]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:84ededb047]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

“Textus Receptus Onlyism” presentation:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_WEX3VJz9E[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:84ededb047][color=darkblue:84ededb047]DIRECTORY[/color:84ededb047][/size:84ededb047]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1755', '659b1f4448', 'KJB Only and Church unity', '&quot;The tongue of the wise useth knowledge aright: but the mouth of fools poureth out foolishness.&quot; (Proverbs 15:2).

We have to wonder how people can use knowledge aright when they don\'t have the right knowledge in the first place. The knowledge of God comes from His Word, which shows that He is the Almighty (indeed, almighty enough to perfectly preserve His words even through the translation process!). This knowledge is what the wise speak, teach and preach. There is much foolishness coming out of the mouth of the foolish in preaching from modern versions - doctrines are changed and knowledge is forsaken.

&quot;The lips of the wise disperse knowledge: but the heart of the foolish doeth not so.&quot; (Proverbs 15:7). Wisdom and having God\'s perfect words to speak go hand-in-hand.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1756', '2863ef9dfc', 'Talking to Christians, esp. KJBOs &amp; TROs, about the PCE', 'The issue is not always for those who are new or weak in the faith. However, what must be emphasised is that the text and translation of the KJB are correct, and have not been altered in all normal Bibles since 1611 (because, regardless of printing mistakes and spelling changes in English, the actual Bible is the same). So I don\'t just &quot;jump&quot; on people for using a Thomas Nelson or something. We all should be aware not to cause any stumblingblock, division or confusion in the mind of the person we are talking to. Also, because various people have not been able to find PCEs quickly, it is better to encourage people to believe the KJB first, and to aim for obtaining the PCE as a priority.

Having said that, it is quite good for people in the know to be able to point to a verse like Joshua 19:2 and to show the word differences between editions, and that meaning can be effected, and to show verses that indicate that we should have knowledge of every word (I say knowledge, because in practice, most Bibles might still have a few random printer\'s mistakes in them).

This is not a &quot;Baptist issue&quot; or whatever, it is a Christian issue. This means that understanding about the PCE (and using it) is a doctrine which should be accepted by Christians regardless of their denomination.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1757', 'fb2275f116', 'The Protector, 24 October 2010', '[img:fb2275f116]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:fb2275f116]

[color=red:fb2275f116]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:fb2275f116]

WELCOME! [i:fb2275f116]The Protector[/i:fb2275f116] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:fb2275f116][color=darkblue:fb2275f116]EDITORIAL[/color:fb2275f116][/size:fb2275f116]

RECEIVING THE WORD OF GOD

When we receive the truth of the Scripture, not everything is easy about it. However, it is easy to show the right way to accept it, and how to actually find answers.

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15).

We are showing and proving ourselves worthy receivers if we take the Word of God and study it out. This means that we should be ready to accept godly teaching on the Scripture. If we neglect Church, we are neglecting our growth in Biblical knowledge.

“Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.” (2 Thessalonians 3:6).

Some people may think the apostle was being hard when he demanded allegiance to the narrow truth, but this is the only way we can go if we are to continue in the truth.

“And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.” (2 Timothy 2:2).

True Christianity today is in line with the historical true teachings of the Church, and there are large distinctions between the true tradition, and false teachings.

The Bible version issue is central in how people receive, and how people continue in the Word of God. This is discussed in a new booklet called “Receiving the King James Bible only”. You can read it here: [url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

[size=18:fb2275f116][color=darkblue:fb2275f116]NEWS[/color:fb2275f116][/size:fb2275f116]

“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:fb2275f116]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:fb2275f116]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:fb2275f116][color=darkblue:fb2275f116]DIRECTORY[/color:fb2275f116][/size:fb2275f116]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1758', 'da199326c1', '', 'Some people have been asking me about why is &quot;spirit&quot; proper instead &quot;Spirit&quot; at 1 John 5:8.

I have discussed this elsewhere, but I want to give a quick summary of important ideas:

1. The Holy Ghost is bearing record in verse 7, so the Holy Ghost is not directly meant (i.e. capital &quot;Spirit&quot;) in verse 8.

2. Verse 9 talks about having an inner witness. This is spiritual, and indicates that the witness is acknowledging in the human spirit, thus fitting with &quot;spirit&quot; in verse 8.

3. Three things are mentioned in verse 8, blood, water and spirit. It would not fit the pattern to say &quot;Spirit&quot;, since the Spirit is a person.

I realise that many superficially look at the verse and would assume that &quot;Spirit&quot; would be correct, however, that would be because of a lack of understanding of how the word &quot;spirit&quot; is used in the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1759', '2ca32f1363', 'Christmas', 'Christmas will soon be here, a time to remember and celebrate the birth of the Lord. We have a lot to be thankful for because of the birth of the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. Through faith in Him, eternal life is available right now, as is redemption from all the curse - poverty, sickness, sin. Praise God for the peace brought to earth, not peace between man and man, but the most important, between God and man. Jesus Christ has the ministry of reconciliation, and that is a wonderful thing.

&quot;And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. And this [i:2ca32f1363]shall be [/i:2ca32f1363]a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.&quot; (Luke 2:6-14)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1760', '752268c95b', 'Thanks and Invitation', 'Greetings Brethren,
I just received yesterday, my PCE Bible that I had custom made for me.  I used the PDF text from your website (thank you for providing it for me Matthew.  Priceless!) and had it leather bound in the most beautiful leather.  [b:752268c95b]Mechling Book Bindery [/b:752268c95b]here in the USA did it for me and they did MOST EXCELLENT work I might add!
To have in my hands this Bible... is an &quot;inestimable treasure.&quot;
Also, I am starting an internet radio broadcast, Lord willing, this Monday November 1, 2010 and I would like to invite all of you to listen.  On my website I speak of the PCE and will do so on the air.
Go to www.thescripturesalonebibleschool.com for details.
Doctrinally, if after listening, you don\'t agree with what I say, do show me from the scriptures where you think I err.
Thanks again Matthew for your faithfulness.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1761', '2cbf8c866f', 'Hi', 'Hi Martin,

I\'m interested to hear your first broadcast.

Also, have you a photo of your new Bible?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1762', '473051f3e9', 'The Protector, 31 October 2010', '[img:473051f3e9]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:473051f3e9]

[color=red:473051f3e9]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:473051f3e9]

WELCOME! [i:473051f3e9]The Protector[/i:473051f3e9] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:473051f3e9][color=darkblue:473051f3e9]EDITORIAL[/color:473051f3e9][/size:473051f3e9]

WHIGGISM

Whiggism was the general form of ordinary policy as held by the majority of English, American and Australian Protestants from the time of the death of Oliver Cromwell and the end of the Puritan Commonwealth in Britain.

Whiggism was intrinsically anti-Catholic, and could be mainly identified with movements such as Methodism, etc.

There are many conservatives who lament the slide of society further away from traditional standards, and further toward social problems, moral laxity and even militant antichristianism.

The great problem with many moral issues is that when they are approached from the view of “human rights” rather than Biblical standards, they are destructive. 

The Bible says, “Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.” (Romans 13:10).

Civic virtues and community service-mindedness are, of course, good ideas, but without a Biblical standard, and without increasing Christianity, any civilisation cannot be said to be truly flourishing. The Roman Republic, for example, suffered many internal problems despite their level of civility. It was that civilisation which also was responsible for killing thousands upon thousands of Christians.

The highest advances in science, innovation, progress and the development for the best for the widest amount of people have been through the Christian, particularly, Protestant, and most particularly, English-speaking nations.

The nation of Australia was founded by a Whiggish nation, and developed with Whiggish ideals.

In modern times, Roman Catholics and ardent secularists have a kind of alliance, where the great Christian values, such as to love ones neighbour as oneself, has been usurped, and horribly twisted under the banner of “human rights” and other vainglorious ideas.

If anyone pretends that Whiggism brought in so called “equity” and so on, they would be sadly mistaken. Under Whiggism people were flogged, people were hung, and various other strict ordinances were in effect. It was in that environment where women and Catholics were allowed to vote. However Whiggism is not, nor has it ever meant, continual deconstruction of upright religious edifices.

“And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.” (Romans Ro 13:11–14).

SPECIAL NOTE

Remember, remember, the fifth of November.
(Another statement usurped by enemies of the state to mean the opposite of its original intent.)

[size=18:473051f3e9][color=darkblue:473051f3e9]NEWS[/color:473051f3e9][/size:473051f3e9]

“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:473051f3e9]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:473051f3e9]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:473051f3e9][color=darkblue:473051f3e9]DIRECTORY[/color:473051f3e9][/size:473051f3e9]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1763', 'd91a077ebc', 'Pictures of my New PCE Bible!', 'I LOVE MY BIBLE!
I wish that these pictures go through!  I actually got 3 Bibles.
How do I post the pictures here?  Forgive my computer ignorance.  Did not even know how to type a short while back!
I do know how to email them.  I will email them to Matthew and if you send me your email I will email them to you Pastor.
[/img]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1764', '4bd9c0a92a', 'looking for...', 'Hi there, I\'m new to your site and am looking for pce\'s for my family. I have 7 children &amp; about 6-7 yr\'s ago we purchased all new Bibles from AV Publications and it was a pretty expensive buy. They are ALL falling apart unfortunatly &amp; I was wanting to purchase a nice new one for my husband for our anniversary, and get some lesser exp ones for now for the children. I oredered a nice leather one from Bearing Precious Seed, it turned out NOT to be a PCE! NOW I have to mail it back &amp; am in a mad search befor Nov. 2oth :)
Anyway, a couple questions woulld be; I have looked up all the recomendations I came accross on this site &amp; many are out dated &amp; no longer providing PCE\'s or they turned out to be false! Any ideas for a nice leather one?? as well as some inexpensive ones??
Also; I contacted AV Publications who say their Bibles ARE the PCE &amp; yet 1John 5:8 reads capitol \'S\'?? I asked them about this &amp; this is the response I recieved: The correct reading in 1 John 5:8 is \'S\' since the reading in verse 6 is a capital. Those two verses are identical parallels. I have researched this verse for many years and have all of the old Bibles.
 
I looked up all the verses listed &amp; those were fine, just the 1John one doesn\'t match. Now, I knew OTHER verses to be on the look out for to make sure it was a true AV Bible, but the ones listed by BibleProtector had some new ones to me, this being one of them. Can anyone help me to understand this reasoning of why it should be lower case?? Sorry for my ignorance,
THANKS so much for helping, a siter in Christ, Alisha');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1765', 'c20a8c181d', 'PCE', 'Hi Alisha,

If you have owned or used a PCE in the past, then you\'ll know that &quot;spirit&quot; is used in 1 John 5:8. This is the historical reality, despite what others may claim to be the case.

We explain this here, for example: http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=428

I recently received a PCE KJB from here (note the comments below the product description of people who say it is a PCE but you should double check with the seller before they send it to you): http://www.amazon.com/KJV-Black-Leather-Bible-Kjv/dp/000725976X');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1766', '3b8ee2f99a', '', 'Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice that being born of the Spirit is spirit, that is, a new heart in the believer. That is why 1 John 5:8 correctly should be &quot;spirit&quot; according to the traditional editions of the King James Bible, because it is the born again human spirit in earth which has the witness and knowledge of God.

Also the structural pattern and context of 1 John 5 shows that &quot;spirit&quot; is meant.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1767', '9b54e38ddd', '', 'What I do is put an image on the internet somewhere, or on a site like photobucket, which gives a special url.

Then using bsb code, which is [b:9b54e38ddd][1mg]put url here[/1mg][/b:9b54e38ddd]  just use the letter i instead of a 1.

I reduced the file sizes drastically:

[img:9b54e38ddd]http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc262/bibleprotector/image002-1.jpg[/img:9b54e38ddd]
[img:9b54e38ddd]http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc262/bibleprotector/image003.jpg[/img:9b54e38ddd]
[img:9b54e38ddd]http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc262/bibleprotector/image001-1.jpg[/img:9b54e38ddd]

The bindling looks excellent. Good on you for choosing the PCE.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1768', '5b32057c04', '', 'AMEN!!!!!!!!!!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1769', 'c785d40952', '', 'Here\'s the directory of broadcasts:

http://wwfar.com/mp3s/MartinRichling/?C=M;O=D');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1770', '5b29419036', 'Translation', 'Greetings Brethren!

If someone was to ask you to prove from the scriptures alone how God can deliver to you his words in English, what passages of holy writ would you use?
Farewell.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1771', '62ad7c71e2', '', 'Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and [b:62ad7c71e2]teach all nations[/b:62ad7c71e2], baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mt 28:20 [b:62ad7c71e2]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you[/b:62ad7c71e2]: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Ac 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Ro 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Ro 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by [b:62ad7c71e2]the scriptures[/b:62ad7c71e2] of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, [b:62ad7c71e2]made known to all nations[/b:62ad7c71e2] for the obedience of faith:

2Co 2:14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

Col 1:5 For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel;
Col 1:6 [b:62ad7c71e2]Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world;[/b:62ad7c71e2] and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth:

Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

2Th 3:1 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. [b:62ad7c71e2]And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.[/b:62ad7c71e2]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1772', '08f233d845', '', 'Excellent spiritual insight brother!
Thanks for the edification to my soul!
I really enjoy the book of Esther. How amazing that God is not mentioned in the book at all, and yet a man, an earthly king, can translate HIS WORDS into over 120 plus different languages---in copy form----and when those words get there, they are the WORDS OF THE KING. 
These words were TRANSLATED words...

Cannot God do at least the same?!

Amen!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1773', '45c4dd289b', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'Biblical preaching must come from the Word of God, which is the Bible we hold to. Without it, faith is deficient and even non-existent in churches.

The following is from a study I did.

[b:45c4dd289b]Faith comes from the Word of God.[/b:45c4dd289b]

Rom. 10:8,14-17 	“how shall they hear without a preacher?”

Rom. 1:16,17	“The just shall live by faith”

Heb. 10:38		“Now the just shall live by faith”

Eph. 4:15		“may grow up into him in all things”

2 Thess. 1:3	“your faith groweth exceedingly”

1 Pet. 2:2		“desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby”

John 15:1-8	“the same bringeth forth much fruit”');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1774', '95683851c1', 'Update', 'Greetings Brethren!
I have added a link to my site to make it easier to listen to archived radio broadcasts.
Any comments, good or bad, are asked for.
http://www.thescripturesalonebibleschool.com/Radio-Archives.html
Farewell.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1775', '5af3706d41', 'The Protector, 7 November 2010', '[img:5af3706d41]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:5af3706d41]

[color=red:5af3706d41]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:5af3706d41]

WELCOME! [i:5af3706d41]The Protector[/i:5af3706d41] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:5af3706d41][color=darkblue:5af3706d41]EDITORIAL[/color:5af3706d41][/size:5af3706d41]

SCATTERING AND GATHERING

One common Biblical illustration is the principle of sowing and reaping. It is a consistent law, not only to recover what has been given, but also the sure method of multiplication.

Thus, if God has planted the seed of the Word of God in the Earth, it should work out that its fruit should abound.

“For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel; Which is come unto you, as it is in all the world; and bringeth forth fruit, as it doth also in you, since the day ye heard of it, and knew the grace of God in truth” (Colossians 1:5, 6).

In this passage, God reveals that His intention is for the Word of God to abound to such a degree that it is present everywhere in the world, and is fruitful. This means that the power of it should be effective in space and time, especially in far distant nations in the latter days.

The Word of God being present in the latter days must require that it was also present somewhere in former days. Yet it is a fact that no single copy of Scripture was perfect for hundreds of years of Church history.

And it seems to get worse. Many Christians did not historically have access to the full Bible, let alone even portions of it. And the copies that Christians did have over the years, let us say, in Dark Ages Britain, were Latin translations, each with copying mistakes and other inaccuracies.

We should not question the faithfulness of God just because true believers did not have perfect Bibles. What we have to understand is the sufficiency of God. In other words, God has been able to operate and bless people, despite impediments and problems.

This is because over all God has followed the grand plan of making one perfect Bible common for all nations. For many years it did not seem possible. Perhaps it is an idea that not everyone is pleased with. But this does not alter the purpose and outworking of God.

It is a fact that from the earliest copies of New Testament books, small mistakes were being made. Small variations also exist with Old Testament words. There was certainly never a whole perfect Bible in one set of scrolls or parchments somewhere in the original languages.

To compound it all, the Scripture was being turned into other languages, like Latin. This was the plan of God, for it says in Romans 15:4, “For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” And in Romans 16:26, “But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith”.

Some might wonder how it is that God could have His Word in another tongue like Latin (where there are many variations), when there is no standard perfect copy of the Bible in the original languages.

The answer is the sufficiency of God. Not only was there sufficient testimony and truth available in total, also, none of the Word of God was lost, despite this scattering.

Let us put the scattering under the heading of the work of Satan. Whether by accident of man, by deliberate corruption, by persecution and burning of copies, by misguided ideas of sincere Christians, let us say that errors exist. But does this error overrule or effectively keep men from the inerrant Word of God?

The answer is that God has worked, despite the relatively limited operations of antichrist and sin, not only to keep sufficiently the Scriptures in general existence in various places, but provided sufficiently for the possible recovery or gathering from this scattered state.

[size=18:5af3706d41][color=darkblue:5af3706d41]NEWS[/color:5af3706d41][/size:5af3706d41]

“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:5af3706d41]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:5af3706d41]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:5af3706d41][color=darkblue:5af3706d41]DIRECTORY[/color:5af3706d41][/size:5af3706d41]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1776', '94e0fb4270', 'Greetings Brethren!  Two Questions...', 'Brethren...

1. How much time do you spend reading God\'s Book daily? 

2. Why do you read God\'s Book?

Farewell.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1777', 'f945d383a7', '', 'The important factor is not merely the time, but to actually have Scripture going into the eyes, ears and out the mouth every day. In Joshua it states, &quot;This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.&quot; Joshua 1:8.

Dean Burgon encouraged the habit of reading a chapter a day.

&quot;Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food.&quot; (Job 23:12).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1778', '7cabafab2a', '', 'Amen brother.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1779', '43a5ff25bf', '', 'Jer 10:1  Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 
For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 
 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1780', 'b4528729d9', 'Bible help!', 'So, I am running out of time, hope someone could help me. I wanted to purchase a new bible for a gift for my husband, he really wants a larger, wide margin Bible to study from, and finding one that is a pure text seems imposible!
Does anyone know of a leather, lrg. print. wide margin, PCE??

THANKS FOR ANY HELP!
[/i]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1782', '96887ea37f', '', 'There is a particular Bible from Bearing Precious Seed which is PCE. See the following link and check that exact Bible, it has to be #180-708.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvRqWHfvyNE');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1783', '1a9af731a0', 'Bible help!', 'bearing precious seed doesn\'t have \'item #\'s and when I called them they only have a small vynal hand size that is a pce :(');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1784', '4a7396030d', 'Christmas', 'We are not against Christmas but see it as a celebration of the birth of Christ, even though Christ was not actually born on December 25. We reject the commercialisation of Christmas since this is the reason the heathen like it, not because they want to celebrate the birth of the Saviour.

Heathen reason for celebration: &quot;For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.&quot; (1 Timothy 6:10).

Christian reason for celebration: &quot;For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.&quot; (Luke 2:11).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1787', '1d5ecb7383', '', 'Have a look here:

http://lcbplansing.org/Bibles/

This is the &quot;Bearing Precious Seed&quot; based in Lansing, Mich., which publishes under the title of &quot;Local Church Bible Publishers&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1788', '36bb8b8dbc', '', 'thanks for the info on the \'other\' BPS, I did contact them and all the have available is a small hand held as well. Seems to be a pointless search. I got this very kind explanation from the KJV store (.com) on WHY what I am looking for really doesn\'t even exist, I post their reply below and would love to hear your take on it. THANKS AGAIN for the help and insight on this.

Mrs. Glenn,
 
You\'re welcome and we understand your frustration.  Lest you get the wrong impression about our company or our bibles, I wanted you to have the following information:

We get a lot of questions like yours from a lot of frustrated people.  Hopefully this information will give you a better idea of where we are coming from as &quot;The KJV Store&quot; and what is possible vs. impossible in regards to making King James Version Bibles available to our customers.  
 
&quot;A KJV text that has not been tampered with and that contains no alternate words or spellings&quot;?
This the only kind of KJV we endorse and the only kind we want to sell.  Unfortunately, we don\'t publish or print bibles.  We are a retailer that specializes in King James Version products, which means we can only sell what products are made available to us.  As such, it is virtually impossible to find a KJV Bible that meets the above criteria.  Here is why.    
 
1611 AV (KJV), 1762 Oxford, or 1769 Cambridge?
Many KJV bible readers are often not aware of the exact KJV text they are using.  The years 1611, 1762, 1769, all produced different &quot;editions&quot; of the King James Version bible.  The original 1611 had far different spellings than our KJV bible of today, it had the Apocrypha (14 books that we do not consider Scripture, but were part of our original &quot;Authorized&quot; King James Version Bible as a matter of historical fact).  Examples of which can be seen on our &quot;1611 Editions&quot; section:
http://www.thekjvstore.com/product_list.php?mcid=1&amp;scid=3  

Then in 1762, Oxford University Press did their own updating to the KJV.  They improved the spellings, uniformed the capitalizations, removed the Apocrypha, and gave us what is considered to be our correct &quot;Authorized&quot; KJV text that you and I grew up reading.  
 
The problem is that in 1769, Cambridge University Press did the same thing.  Many people are unaware that the 1762 Oxford text and 1769 Cambridge Text do have about 100 specific variances between the 2 translations.  In these areas of variance, most of them are prepositions, proper nouns (such as names of rivers/places) etc...  
 
So which one is better?  Which one is the &quot;authorized and infallible&quot; text?  Good Question.  When you figure this out, please let me know.  In reality, they are both excellent and both extremely trustworthy and both the benchmark by which all modern day KJV texts should be measured.  But this should be taken into consideration when we KJV only bible readers say &quot;if one word is changed then it\'s all changed and it makes the text corrupt!&quot;  Is that really an intelligent statement to make given the facts about the 2 KJV texts we use?  That statement is not meant to play devil\'s advocate, only to provide food for thought.  It\'s good to be protective of the KJV text that one uses.  But it\'s also good to know the historical facts, and be realistic about what we are wanting vs. what is actually available to us.

Americanized Spellings vs. Authorized Edition?
Yes, there are some KJV Bibles that use &quot;Americanized&quot; spellings on some words.  The examples listed are that &quot;Musick is now Music&quot; and &quot;Saviour is now Savior&quot;, &quot;Asswaged&quot; is now &quot;Assuaged&quot;, or &quot;Ensample is now Example&quot;.  Only some of the spellings are changed.  In many examples, the actual words themselves in meaning are not changed.  Try doing a spell check of this email, or of the word &quot;asswaged&quot; in a Word document.  It\'s going to come up and give you &quot;assuaged&quot; as the alternative/correct spelling.  What is the difference in this spelling change and the spelling changes that were made from 1611 to 1769?  We don\'t spell the name of &quot;Jesus&quot; as &quot;Iesus&quot; any more, but so far I have never heard anyone tell us &quot;If it doesn\'t use &quot;Iesus&quot; spelling then it\'s not a true KJV bible&quot;.

In some KJV Bibles, &quot;S&quot; in &quot;Spirit of God&quot; in Genesis 1:2 is not capitalized.  We do not agree with this,  but we also do not believe that this is intentionally taking away from the deity of the Spirit of God.  Spirit or spirit, we know that it is talking about God and God\'s Spirit, and that it is deity.  
 
The real question is, what exactly do the terms &quot;authentic&quot;, &quot;authorized&quot;, or &quot;unaltered&quot; mean when you are referring to the King James Version bible?  Without getting extremely specific and detailed on these two points it is impossible to accurately answer this question. 

Make no mistake, there is no such thing as a specific KJV translation that is called &quot;Americanized&quot;.  When a publisher produces a &quot;King James Version Bible&quot; they don\'t call it &quot;Americanized&quot; or &quot;Authorized&quot; or &quot;Not Americanized&quot;.  They don\'t put Americanized or Authorized on the outside of the box, or on the copyright page, or in the listed attributes and features.  Basically this means that we have no way of knowing what changes a publisher makes from KJV Bible to KJV Bible, especially when they all just say &quot;King James Version&quot; on the outside cover and nothing else.  This is impossible to know what changes are present, whether or not our company is called &quot;The KJV Store&quot;.
 
Our Limitations as a Company:
Our company operates out of an office location in Texas.  We do not have our own warehouse facility where we inspect and ship product from.  Instead, we use a network of reliable shippers all across the U.S.  This also means that we do not actually get the chance to see or personally inspect every item that we sell.  Instead, we depend on reliable information from our Publishers and Distributors.  
 
Let\'s pretend for a second that we did have our own warehouse and that we wanted to check every product that we sell.  We are a company of 4 people that sells thousands of KJV Bibles, books, and products.  The KJV Bible has over 31,102 verses and 788,258 words not including the Hebrew Alphabet in Psalm 119 or the superscriptions listed in some of the Psalms.  And we sell hundreds and thousands of different KJV Bibles.  This logically states that it would be impossible for us to check every single verse and the spelling of every single word for accuracy.  And even if this were not impossible, which KJV text are we going to check them against?  (See Discussion Above: Cambridge Vs. Oxford).  
 
What we are willing to do:
If a customer will provide us with a specific list of verses or references that they would like for us to check (such as the spelling/capitalization of a word, or checking for word replacement, etc...) we are more than happy to check any bible that they are interested in.  Even if we don\'t have a sample of the specific bible in question at our office, we will have someone from the publisher find out and perform the check.      Obviously this does not mean that we can guarantee to find exactly what a customer is looking for, but we can guarantee to do our best within our means.  
 
I hope that you will understand our position with this delicate matter.  I also hope that the follow up actions of our company and the content of this letter will show you where we stand.  We greatly appreciate your business and  your KJV only stance.  Without customers like you, we simply would not exist.  If I can personally help you in any way, do not hesitate to email or call. 
 
Blessings,
 
Len Williams
Customer Service Manager
The KJV Store
len@thekjvstore.com
www.thekjvstore.com
800-310-0327
817-551-1500');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1786', 'af056bb0d6', 'Debate?', 'I\'m not interested in getting into a debate about Christmas. This is not a debate forum. The &quot;Touch not; taste not; handle not&quot; (Colossians 2:21) mentality is a very dangerous one. Celebrating the birth of the Saviour is not learning the way of the heathen.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1789', 'b70abfd263', '', 'The list here shows that there are plenty of variations in currently printed KJB editions: [url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/editions[/url]

However, there is among various editions one particular one which is the standard. This means that there is one set of spellings which is the standard.

If people talk about &quot;1769&quot; or whatever, they have failed to realise that all editions since differ to that which was printed in 1769, and that even Oxford Editions have changed over time.

So the answer must be that there is one correct edition.

&quot;For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.&quot; (1 Cor. 14:33).

There is plenty of testimony showing how Cambridge Editions are superior to Oxford. And again, there has been specific studies showing how one Cambridge Edition is better than others.

Just because the Pure Cambridge Edition may not be published at the moment with wide margins does not mean that there are no PCEs available: clearly, they are able to be purchased right now from a variety of locations.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1790', '4343ddd889', '', 'Someone emailed me and said they found a Cameo Wide Margin KJB, which is PCE. I don\'t know if it was new or second hand, though I suspect the latter.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1791', '020b308877', 'Experience is a Hard Way To Learn Sometimes', 'I tried to do some posting there a wicki but as soon as I did, some other non-KJBer complains and replaces it with lies, and others join in. I knew right away then, that they are nothing more than propagandists of false info.
*******
Seems lots of folk are hung up on the Name of God, adulterating it to Yaweh with only two consonants instead of the correct three for Jehovah.

Peter Fuhrman');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1792', '20bed79f7b', 'The Protector, 14 November 2010', '[img:20bed79f7b]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:20bed79f7b]

[color=red:20bed79f7b]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:20bed79f7b]

WELCOME! [i:20bed79f7b]The Protector[/i:20bed79f7b] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:20bed79f7b][color=darkblue:20bed79f7b]EDITORIAL[/color:20bed79f7b][/size:20bed79f7b]

THE SPIRIT ISSUE CONTINUES

I did some quick internet searches today, with the reference “1 John 5:8” and various combinations of words like “spirit”, “lower case” and “capital”. It is good to see that this website comes up as first ranked!

A little while ago, someone sent me an email, asking why Revelation 1:10 has, “I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day” when other references in Revelation have lower case spirit:
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit:
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit 
Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit

The answer is that the spirit realm is being spoken of in those three references, whereas being in the Spirit in Rev. 1:10 links to this verse: “And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit”. (Eph. 5:18).

The Apostle was in the Holy Ghost, that is different to being in vision in the spirit realm.

We cannot look at the editions printed in 1611 as the final authority on capital letters, because of the lack of standardisation of the language at that time, and because of its relatively frequent typographical errors.

The solution is to look at the edition which has resolved all these issues, and which is correct on minute examination: The Pure Cambridge Edition.

On the issue of 1 John 5:8 having a lowercase “spirit”, it is nothing to do with whether or not I am Pentecostal. The doctrine there is not about Pentecostalism, but about having the witness of our spirit that we are born again, as the next verse states, “If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.” That is why 1 John 5:8 correctly has lowercase “s” on the word “spirit”, as was published in 1638, 1769 and in the Pure Cambridge Edition.

[img:20bed79f7b]http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc262/bibleprotector/1637.jpg[/img:20bed79f7b]
Most historical editions of the KJB have lower case “s” on “spirit” at 1 John 5:8, this is a scan from the 1637 Cambridge.

[size=18:20bed79f7b][color=darkblue:20bed79f7b]NEWS[/color:20bed79f7b][/size:20bed79f7b]

“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:20bed79f7b]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:20bed79f7b]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:20bed79f7b][color=darkblue:20bed79f7b]DIRECTORY[/color:20bed79f7b][/size:20bed79f7b]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1793', '95c13f4167', 'Find out about the pure English Bible', 'The links in this post should get anyone to a basic knowledge about the King James Bible, and why the Pure Cambridge Edition should be used.

Most basically, there is a general movement, especially among some Biblically-oriented groups (i.e. a few Anglicans, Presbyterians, Baptists and Pentecostals) which either,
a. prefer the King James Bible above modern versions, and so use it, or
b. use the King James Bible as the only authoritative English Bible.

Since there are a number of different people and positions involved, the specific positions may differ, such as,

1. Some hold the KJB because they prefer to the kind of Greek and Hebrew manuscripts that it was translated from.
2. Some hold to the KJB because they uphold it as God\'s appointed Bible for English-speakers, etc.
and of course, there may even be a few extreme cases, as where:
3. Some hold that the KJB was given by a special revelation from heaven or something.

Some people when explaining about modern versions may be generally correct, but not knowledgable on the details. However, most scholars who write about the King James Bible tend to be against the King James Bible to some degree, and there are some who are have a secular viewpoint.

My website has some basic information on the issue, such as:
http://www.bibleprotector.com/LUL01.pdf
http://www.bibleprotector.com/LUL02.pdf
http://www.bibleprotector.com/LUL03.pdf
http://www.bibleprotector.com/LUL04.pdf
http://www.bibleprotector.com/assertingKJO.pdf
http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf

1. What is this about a perfect edition of the King James Bible?

Answer: The same King James Bible has been published in many editions, but due to printing errors, spelling variations, etc., it was only in time where the actual typography and orthography was being done perfectly. There is nothing wrong with the King James Bible at, say, 1611, except that obviously there are many known printing mistakes, and the spelling is not settled, etc.

2. Was not the first edition God\'s word?

Answer: The KJB was God\'s Word, just as God\'s Word existed before 1611, and in other old Bibles, even in Latin. To have a perfect edition is just talking about the presentation, not whether or not God\'s Word was in the Earth.

3. How do you know that edition of the King James Bible is perfect?

Answer: There are several ways of knowing, such as, consistency with the Scripture, the receiving of tradition, and the specific analysis and study of the wordings/typography.

4. Do you have a degree or experience translating the Bible?

Answer: This is irrelevant. Anyone from Queen Elizabeth to a poor man has not needed a degree to do what they do. Also, teaching the Word as a Christian ministry has no requirement for knowledge of Bible translation. Ephesians chapter 4 never mentioned &quot;experience in translation&quot; as required or a validation for ministry.

5. Why should one take your word over that of other translators?

Answer: I am not a translator, but you should not really heavily on men just because they are scholars. Truth itself is sufficient, and there are those who teach truth, so you should be able to receive and discern it.

I have various free books on my website which you can read, which are relevant to looking at the edition issue of the King James Bible, these are more advanced, being:

http://www.bibleprotector.com/THE_FINAL_KING_JAMES_BIBLE.pdf
[url=http://tinyurl.com/244sahc]http://www.bibleprotector.com/God\'s_chosen_edition_of_the_King_James_Bible.pdf[/url]

Lots more at www.bibleprotector.com');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1794', 'c9102d763b', '', 'Thanks for posting the video of the 1769 Oxford Edition. Very interesting!!!

...Bob
Kentucky, USA');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1795', 'eefaa0dc19', 'Is it KJB or KJV?', 'When making a reference to the King James--is the proper designation King James Bible (KJB) or King James Version (KJV)?

It seems to me the proper designation should be King James Bible (KJB). However, most printed KJ Bibles that I have seen have King James Version, KJV, Authorized Version, AV, or Authorized King James Version on the spine and title page. 

Are there issues to consider? Or am I making something out of nothing?

Appreciate your thoughts on this.

...Bob
Kentucky, USA');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1796', '36ffb5e650', 'KJB', '[quote:36ffb5e650]It seems to me the proper designation should be King James Bible (KJB).[/quote:36ffb5e650]
You are right. We use the term &quot;KJB&quot; because it is THE Bible to use. Of course, the term &quot;KJV&quot; can mean THE only right version. However, the modernists tend to interpret this as being one version out of many applicable ones. Anti-KJB forums often resist strongly the use of KJB for these reasons.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1797', 'ac748397a6', 'Radio Update', 'Brethren,
Another Internet Radio Ministry has picked up my live broadcasts.
It is:  http://firstamendmentradio.com/
The re-broadcasts from Libert Radio Live are on now at [b:ac748397a6]7AM EST Monday through [/b:ac748397a6][b:ac748397a6]Friday[/b:ac748397a6] for you early risers who may have missed it the evening before.
I tell you all this so you would listen.
Then, if you all hear something that you do not believe to be true, let me know please.
My site explains all the details:  www.TheScripturesAloneBibleSchool.com
Farewell.
My sincere love unto you all in Christ Jesus our Lord and ONLY Savior.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1798', '27448316c7', '', 'I think what would help is to download the PCE text in pure form, get it bound, and read it.
Even though it is not wide margin, frankly, who cares about that.
The issue, is to have the pure words and word of God in your hands.
I am so HAPPY with my PCE Bible and I can tell you this.  (Although I cannot fully explain it)
After reading through the King James Bible well over 150 times, (these times were not with a PCE) I now have read through my PCE 3 times.
IT IS DIFFERENT in my soul...
It is pure...  I know it is the words of God and the word of God in English WITHOUT any blemishes.
And when I now feast upon THIS SPECIFIC BOOK, it is different...
I have finally found rest for my soul...
I cannot explain it.  But I can tell you all this:
YOU MUST READ THE PCE TEXT THAT MATTHEW HAS HERE ON THE SITE.  God\'s words flow freely...  There are no questions as to possible typos.
It is like being in Heaven literally.
FINALLY I HAVE WHAT I KNOW IS THE PURE WORDS AND WORD OF GOD!
It is different...  believe me.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1799', 'f3ed9fb47f', 'So true.', '[quote:f3ed9fb47f]The issue, is to have the pure words and word of God in your hands.[/quote:f3ed9fb47f]
Hi Martin,

What you have said is so true. I wish everyone had the same attitude. The reality is that people should not settle for less now that the truth is known about the final KJB edition.

Bibleprotector (Matthew) published a very limited hardbound copy of the PCE. I have the privilege of owning one of these copies.

I understand that Matthew plans to publish extensively bound copies of the PCE some time in the future. Pray for him and support his ministry since this is a very important venture.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1800', '6dbe099d3b', '', 'Amen and Amen Pastor!
I say again, AMEN!
I know you understand what I am trying to convey.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1801', 'edab568993', 'Question', 'I have been experiencing something that I find difficult to fully explain.  But I will try...
In all of my Bible reading of time past, since 1996, I have read fervently through the holy scriptures many times.  In all of these readings, I grew...
But during my readings, at times, my flesh would get tired.  I would press on though to finish my reading for the day.  So, during the reading I would be tired BUT as soon as I stopped reading, I would awaken and NOT be tired.  Sometimes this would occur even after a full night\'s sleep.

But now, with reading the PCE Bible from off of the website here, IT IS THE OPPOSITE.

I can get up with only 3-4 hours sleep, be tired, AND AS SOON AS I START READING THE PCE I AWAKEN!  
Romans 8:11 states that God will &quot;quicken&quot; our MORTAL bodies to do his will.  Our mortal bodies are here ON THE EARTH.  He is NOT talking about our spiritual bodies replacing our mortal bodies.  No, in the passage it talks about our MORTAL bodies being made alive to do his will.
Brethren, it is so abundantly simple to me!
God works through his Book, correct?
The PCE is HIS Book, correct?
He quickens me to read it.
Whereas before, it was as if Romans 8:11 was not really experienced in my life [b:edab568993]as it is now in my reading.[/b:edab568993]It is the wierdest thing.
Before, with plenty of sleep, I would tire easily.  This was with the other KJV versions.  Which was a Cambridge, yes, but not a PCE.
Now, with the PCE, NO MATTER how tired I am, when I want to WAKE UP I just start reading it!  And WOW!  I come alive.
It is as if the word of the Lord has FREE COURSE via the PCE as Paul describes in 2 Thessalonians 3:1
This is not a fluke.  And I have tested it extensively too, and it happens all the time.
Any thoughts?
Don\'t misunderstand me.  I know the KJV Bibles with typos are the word of God.  But they are the word of God with TYPOS.
The true word of God DOES NOT HAVE TYPOS.
And today, the people God has entrusted with the Book and to keep it, is his church.  He promised to preserve it Ps 12:6-7 but who are the people he ises to preserve it today?  The Church, his Son\'s body.  
1 Tim. 3:15 says the CHURCH is the pillar and ground of the truth...
Again, any thoughts on this?
Farewell.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1802', 'aeaab9064b', 'The Protector, 21 November 2010', '[img:aeaab9064b]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:aeaab9064b]

[color=red:aeaab9064b]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:aeaab9064b]

WELCOME! [i:aeaab9064b]The Protector[/i:aeaab9064b] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:aeaab9064b][color=darkblue:aeaab9064b]EDITORIAL[/color:aeaab9064b][/size:aeaab9064b]

WHEN THE BIBLE SAYS “HEBREW”, THAT MEANS...?

Throughout the New Testament, there are various references to the Hebrew language. Then, we find a reference like Acts 1:9, which says, “And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.” (Acts 1:19).

What was the proper tongue of the Jews? Pilate knew it. He wrote on the cross in Greek, Latin and Hebrew. Paul knew it, “(And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,) I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.” (Acts 22:2, 3).

The King James Bible states it over and again, the New Testament Jews knew Hebrew. Yet, the modern scholars and their modern versions say something quite different. They claim that the New Testament-era Jews spoke “Aramaic”, a dialect of Syriac. So, even though the Bible plainly says “Hebrew”, and plainly means “Hebrew”, they go against the Scripture and impose their false doctrine.

There are plenty of other examples, like, “Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.” (John 5:2). “When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.” (John 19:13). “And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha” (John 19:17).

Hebrew means Hebrew, not “Aramaic”. Romans 1:25a describes it clearly. These are they “Who changed the truth of God into a lie”.

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“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:aeaab9064b]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:aeaab9064b]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

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Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1803', 'f9ec4380a8', 'A few things.', 'Hi Martin,

As I read through your testimony, it occurred to me that you might like to put a testimony in the Testimonies section of this forum as to how you came to this position. I believe it would be edifying.

A few things come to mind in relation to what you have said (and this applies to all who yield to the truth).

&quot;Order my steps in thy word: and let not any iniquity have dominion over me.&quot; (Psalm 119:133). Our steps in God are ordered through the Word of God, so we would expect that there would be direction and stength through it. We must yield our members to Him constantly in this walk of faith: &quot;Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.&quot; (Romans 6:13). This includes our eyes, ears and tongue, which coincides with what you have been doing with respect to the PCE.

Also, as we expose ourselves to the purity of the true Bible, it has a washing effect like no other: &quot;That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.&quot; (Ephesians 5:26,27).

[quote:f9ec4380a8]Don\'t misunderstand me. I know the KJV Bibles with typos are the word of God. But they are the word of God with TYPOS. 
The true word of God DOES NOT HAVE TYPOS.[/quote:f9ec4380a8]
We must be gentle with people, especially those currently in ignorance about the matter. If a person has a King James Bible, then they have the Word of God. [b:f9ec4380a8]The perfect presentation is the PCE.[/b:f9ec4380a8] (Of course, if a person has a modern version, then they have a counterfeit and should be shown the way of truth in rejecting error - they are not even at first base if they reject the KJB.).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1804', '78cd3feeca', '', 'Very excellent.  The washing of water by the word helps me to understand better.  It is like I have now, the best version of washing soap that cleans perfectly and without spot!
AMEN!
I am gentle to others when it comes to folks having KJB\'s in their hands.
But for others who have Satanic, counterfeit, Romish, dung-filled, lying so-called bibles: I am gentle until they reject truth.
Then, look out...
My sincere love to you all for opening my eyes to this GREAT truth regarding the PCE!
Amen and Amen!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1805', 'dba6a33301', 'Martin Richling Testimony!', 'I have been experiencing something that I find difficult to fully explain. But I will try... 
In all of my Bible reading of time past, since 1996, I have read fervently through the holy scriptures many times. In all of these readings, I grew... 
But during my readings, at times, my flesh would get tired. I would press on though to finish my reading for the day. So, during the reading I would be tired BUT as soon as I stopped reading, I would awaken and NOT be tired. Sometimes this would occur even after a full night\'s sleep. 

But now, with reading the PCE Bible from off of the website here, IT IS THE OPPOSITE. 

I can get up with only 3-4 hours sleep, be tired, AND AS SOON AS I START READING THE PCE I AWAKEN! 
Romans 8:11 states that God will &quot;quicken&quot; our MORTAL bodies to do his will. Our mortal bodies are here ON THE EARTH. He is NOT talking about our spiritual bodies replacing our mortal bodies. No, in the passage it talks about our MORTAL bodies being made alive to do his will. 
Brethren, it is so abundantly simple to me! 
God works through his Book, correct? 
The PCE is HIS Book, correct? 
He quickens me to read it. 
Whereas before, it was as if Romans 8:11 was not really experienced in my life as it is now in my reading.It is the wierdest thing. 
Before, with plenty of sleep, I would tire easily. This was with the other KJV versions. Which was a Cambridge, yes, but not a PCE. 
Now, with the PCE, NO MATTER how tired I am, when I want to WAKE UP I just start reading it! And WOW! I come alive. 
It is as if the word of the Lord has FREE COURSE via the PCE as Paul describes in 2 Thessalonians 3:1 
This is not a fluke. And I have tested it extensively too, and it happens all the time. 
Any thoughts? 
Don\'t misunderstand me. I know the KJV Bibles with typos are the word of God. But they are the word of God with TYPOS. 
The true word of God DOES NOT HAVE TYPOS. 
And today, the people God has entrusted with the Book and to keep it, is his church. He promised to preserve it Ps 12:6-7 but who are the people he ises to preserve it today? The Church, his Son\'s body. 
1 Tim. 3:15 says the CHURCH is the pillar and ground of the truth... 
Again, any thoughts on this? 
Farewell.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1806', 'b98367ba2c', 'Jesus revealed His name to Saul, &quot;in the Hebrew tongue&', 'Acts 26:14-15 in the KJB states:

14  And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue,
Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15  And I said, who art thou Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecttest.  

For what it is worth, Jesus was speaking to Saint Paul &quot;in the Hebrew tongue&quot; when He introduced himself to Saint Paul

It is at least possible that &quot;Jesus&quot; introduced Himself to Saint Paul as &quot;Yeshua&quot;!

seeker02421');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1807', '56a9ad4f36', 'Certainly not.', 'Certainly not &quot;Yeshua&quot;.

JEHOVAH with a hard &quot;j&quot; sound is revealed to be the name of the Father.

&quot;Jesus&quot; means &quot;JEHOVAH saves&quot;, so any sound for the J in Hebrew would not have sounded like a Y.

Changing the revealed name of God from what is clear in the KJB is part of the modernist agenda.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1808', 'fc4f15618f', 'Re: KJB', '[quote:fc4f15618f=\"KJBman777\"][quote:fc4f15618f]It seems to me the proper designation should be King James Bible (KJB).[/quote:fc4f15618f]
You are right. We use the term &quot;KJB&quot; because it is THE Bible to use.[/quote:fc4f15618f]

All - I have a confession to make. I call it &quot;The Bible&quot; and all the other versions &quot;Books about God&quot; that should be used with caution and that only &quot;The Bible&quot; should be used.

&quot;The Bible&quot; meaning the King James, &quot;pure Cambridge&quot; if available.

:)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1809', 'fc6a5e0111', 'Re: Certainly not.', '[quote:fc6a5e0111=\"KJBman777\"]Certainly not &quot;Yeshua&quot;.

JEHOVAH with a hard &quot;j&quot; sound is revealed to be the name of the Father.

&quot;Jesus&quot; means &quot;JEHOVAH saves&quot;, so any sound for the J in Hebrew would not have sounded like a Y.

Changing the revealed name of God from what is clear in the KJB is part of the modernist agenda.[/quote:fc6a5e0111]

Am I interpreting this correctly then, which I believe I am:

JEHOVAH would be &quot;Gee-ho-vah&quot;, not &quot;Yee-ho-vah&quot;
Yeshua would be &quot;Ye-shua&quot; or is it &quot;Yes-hua&quot;?

Either way it\'s &quot;Ye&quot; not &quot;Gee&quot;, therefore it must be &quot;Gee-sus&quot; not &quot;Ye-sus&quot;

&quot;Gee-sus&quot; died for my sins and is the only begotten son of God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1810', '6184c195f9', 'Re: Jesus revealed His name to Saul, &quot;in the Hebrew ton', '[quote:6184c195f9=\"seeker02421\"]For what it is worth, Jesus was speaking to Saint Paul &quot;in the Hebrew tongue&quot; when He introduced himself to Saint Paul

It is at least possible that &quot;Jesus&quot; introduced Himself to Saint Paul as &quot;Yeshua&quot;![/quote:6184c195f9]

It is impossible. In Hebrew, the word &quot;Jesus&quot; may be given as &quot;Joshua&quot;, as is shown in Hebrews 4:8, where Joshua is called Jesus.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1811', 'd9538bd495', 'New International Version: Translator\'s Notes', 'Recently the committee on Bible Translation, or the keepers/copyright holders of the New International Version released their 2010/11 update for the text of the New International Version, which according to their version of Jeremiah 23:30, would be supposedly the Holy Bible, which is God\'s Word.

NIV  Jer 23:30  “Therefore,” declares the LORD, “I am against the prophets who steal from one another words supposedly from me.

KJV  Jer 23:30  Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

In reality though, sadly... their supposed version of the Holy Bible, which is God\'s Word, would be a poor and utterly corrupt copy of God\'s Word, which has been recreated in man\'s image, for those who favor a particularly nice English rendering, rather than an accurate English rendering which has stood the test of time for almost 400 years.

One could spend until the Lord\'s return refuting their corrupted reasoning as found in their translator\'s notes and not even scratch the surface of everything that is wrong within their notes.

http://www.niv-cbt.org/niv-2011-overview/translators-notes

KJV  Ps 9:20  Put them in fear, O LORD: that the nations may know themselves to be but men. Selah.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1812', '02e4a2decd', 'Agree.', '[quote:02e4a2decd]In reality though, sadly... their supposed version of the Holy Bible, which is God\'s Word, would be a poor and utterly corrupt copy of God\'s Word, which has been recreated in man\'s image, for those who favor a particularly nice English rendering, rather than an accurate English rendering which has stood the test of time for almost 400 years. [/quote:02e4a2decd]I agree with you completely. Modern versions are a counterfeit of the true. People don\'t accept counterfeit money (though they can be deceived by it), so why should they accept a counterfeit of that which is far more important?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1813', '5dbf6a9794', 'Link Not Working!', 'I have had several requests this morning regarding the PDF link to the PCE on the site.
It is not working to download.  Does anyone know why?
Thanks brethren.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1814', 'f5d2a7c927', '', 'There is no problem, and as far as I know, there hasn\'t been any problem at all.

http://www.bibleprotector.com/KJB-PCE-MINION.pdf');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1815', '85c8d2475b', '', 'Not to be a pest, but it does not work.  Checked it on many computers.  The PDF file for printing.  All the other links work with the other formats.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1816', '78e4bd6fb3', '', 'It works. You may be having a problem with pdf files, not with just this one (try print another pdf file from the site). I suspect that the issue might be the page size/paper size, because it is set up for A4, which is not a US size.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1817', 'ec8c3c8bdd', '', 'That did it.  The pages took long to load because of their size.  Thanks brother.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1818', 'fb75a2a2a4', 'What is Biblical preaching?', 'When the Gospel of Christ is preached, then the power of God is present to save sinners and change people into saints of God.

&quot;For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.&quot; (Romans 1:16).

Firstly, the Biblical preacher must believe in the power of the Gospel, then be bold enough to preach it, and finally understand what it can accomplish for all people, regardless of their background. God backs the Biblical preacher who preaches truth. &quot;So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.&quot; (Hebrews 13:6).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1819', '0781b0eec0', 'The Protector, 28 November 2010', '[img:0781b0eec0]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:0781b0eec0]

[color=red:0781b0eec0]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:0781b0eec0]

WELCOME! [i:0781b0eec0]The Protector[/i:0781b0eec0] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:0781b0eec0][color=darkblue:0781b0eec0]EDITORIAL[/color:0781b0eec0][/size:0781b0eec0]

BURNED IS NOT BURNT!

Recently, someone tried to imply that the King James Bible is inconsistent, because in one verse it says “burnt”, and in another it has “burned”.

2 Kings 16:4 And he sacrificed and burnt incense in the high places, and on the hills, and under every green tree.

2 Kings 15:35 Howbeit the high places were not removed: the people sacrificed and burned incense still in the high places. He built the higher gate of the house of the LORD.

If you quote just the words “sacrificed and burnt incense” and “sacrificed and burned incense” it would seem like an inconsistency. However, it is only when we read the whole verse that we discover that the grammar is different. The grammar is different because the overall meaning is not identical.

In one verse it tells us that the king “sacrificed and burnt incense”.

In the other verse it says that while a king came into power who was good, there were people who “sacrificed and burned incense” still, that is, they persisted in doing wrong and were continuing their sin.

Since the grammar differs, the word form differs. On an issue like this, we can be sure that our Pure Cambridge Edition is correct, even though various editions do change things like this from time to time.

[size=18:0781b0eec0][color=darkblue:0781b0eec0]NEWS[/color:0781b0eec0][/size:0781b0eec0]

“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:0781b0eec0]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:0781b0eec0]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fourth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=329[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:0781b0eec0][color=darkblue:0781b0eec0]DIRECTORY[/color:0781b0eec0][/size:0781b0eec0]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1820', '5af13f02cf', 'Collins KJB - typo at Matt 25:29', '[color=red:5af13f02cf][b:5af13f02cf]UPDATE:[/b:5af13f02cf][/color:5af13f02cf] The typo at Matthew 25:29 is exactly that - a typo in this particular run of text. In fact this is easily corrected with a black pen. Previous runs have been confirmed with the correct spelling, further evidence this was accidental. In no way does this change the fact that the text is in accordance with what we know and call the &quot;Pure Cambridge Edition.&quot; The typo is a far contrast to the [b:5af13f02cf]willful[/b:5af13f02cf], [b:5af13f02cf]deliberate[/b:5af13f02cf], and [b:5af13f02cf]admitted[/b:5af13f02cf] changes allowed/sanctioned by Cambridge and other publishers.

Hello everyone,
  I\'ve just confirmed that the following Collins KJB\'s in both paperback (which I own) and leather have a typo at Matthew 25:29. The word &quot;every&quot; is printed &quot;ever.&quot; This is unfortunate indeed as if we are going to be completely honest about the PCE being a &quot;standard&quot; free of any typos these two Collins KJB\'s should no longer be considered PCE. This is the only typo I am aware of in these two Bibles and I\'m wondering if all Collins have this or if these two are the only.

The ISBN numbers that I have confirmed are:
Leather Cover:
ISBN-10: 000725976X 
ISBN-13: 978-0007259762 

Paperback Cover:
ISBN-10: 0007103077 
ISBN-13: 978-0007103072 

If any of you own Collins would you be willing to check to see if this same typo exists and report back your finding along with the ISBN numbers?

Thanks in advance,
Harley[color=red:5af13f02cf][/color:5af13f02cf]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1821', '0fd20b7ada', 'PCE', 'We have always maintained that the presence of a typo or typos in a print run does not negate a KJB being a PCE. There are anti-KJB mockers who try to make this an issue.

The checklist provided on this site has shown edition differences that clearly affect doctrine, such as where the PCE has a small &quot;s&quot; in 1 John 5:8.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1822', '36342c668b', '', 'There are lots of Bibles printed by Collins and it is not hard to find some flaw in them. That doesn\'t make the Word of God of none effect.

The &quot;Pure Cambridge Edition&quot; as published by traditional publishers is not presented with immaculate typography in any single impression. However, the standard for correct jots and tittles is the Pure Cambridge Edition as presented in digital form on the Bible Protector website which does not have any typographical errors in the Scripture. 
      
PCE means that a KJB matches to twelve &quot;readings&quot; (particular edition variations). Thus, a PCE is able to be ordered online or at a bookstore.

It would be silly to say that &quot;only my website has the \'real\' Bible&quot;. And I do not say it, because I recognise that even the Latin Vulgate was used as the Bible. 
__________________

QUESTION: &quot;So your test for a so-called PCE involves only twelve readings.&quot;

ANSWER: If you look at the main blurb at the top of www.bibleprotector.com and the statement I made at http://www.bibleprotector.com/purecambridgeedition you will easily see that I used twelve basic tests to define what a PCE is. Moreover, when examined in detail, and to identify jot-and-tittle perfection, there is a large list at http://www.bibleprotector.com/editions and of course the PCE in digital electronic form itself as the exemplar standard.

QUESTION: &quot;A so-called PCE can still have printing errors, non-standard spellings, or variations for all other readings besides those twelve.&quot;

ANSWER: I have a collection of PCEs printed by Cambridge and Collins. They tend to agree. They certainly agree on the 12 points, and very often at other particular places. Any disagreement, that is, if a particular impression missed a full stop at the end of Mark, that does not mean that it is not PCE. It would seem like an exercise in twisting to try and look for the most errors (or even produce errors deliberately) to make something out of this.

Ps 21:11 For they intended evil against thee: they imagined a mischievous device, which they are not able to perform.

Ps 140:2 Which imagine mischiefs in their heart; continually are they gathered together for war.

Pr 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief 

Pr 12:20 Deceit is in the heart of them that imagine evil: but to the counsellers of peace is joy.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1823', '0a871f69f1', 'Song of Solomon 6:12', 'WHY “AMMINADIB” IN SONG OF SOLOMON 6:12 SHOULD NOT BE WRONGLY HYPHENATED.

First, this word has been treated with pronunciation marks by H. A. Redpath, and in every pronouncing edition, the word is represented with no compound hyphen, neither does it break at the end of a column at the improper place.

Second, in editions without pronunciation, it is only some which either represent the word with a compound hyphen, or break it at the end of a column at the improper place.

Third, while it is true that the Oxford Edition, the 1611 Edition and many others do indeed contain a compound hyphen or break the word at the end of a column at the improper place, they never break the similar word “Amminadab” at the same place, but at the hyphen points which Redpath uses for that word. For example, one particular Oxford edition breaks it at the end of a column “Ammin-adab” as such in Numbers 10:14. Therefore, the same pronunciation hyphenation that Redpath has provided for both “Amminadab” and “Amminadib” are in fact correct, and show that is clearly incorrect to place either a compound word hyphen, or to use an end of column hyphen after the letter “i”.

Fourth, it defies the common sense pronunciation of that word to place the hyphen at the wrong place.

See Repath\'s work (an Oxford Edition):

http://www.archive.org/stream/oxfordselfpronou00oxfo#page/866/mode/2up

http://www.archive.org/details/oxfordselfpronou00oxfo');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1824', 'fc6c3a462f', 'Re: KJB', '[quote=&quot;KJBman777&quot;][quote:fc6c3a462f]Anti-KJB forums often resist strongly the use of KJB.[/quote:fc6c3a462f]
YUP. I started referring to KJB on other forums, as well as quoting all scripture from the KJB, and the anti-KJBO folks are like angry wolves.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1825', 'ab60494c9f', 'I should have consulted the Guide :(', 'I just re-read the following from the fifth draft of the electronic book Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible:

Appendix Four - The standard text of the Pure Cambridge Edition, page 539, paragraph two:
&quot;There are various and unknown random typographical errors which may only be discovered after prolonged and close examination, although some may be apparent at times. These may be found in many books, whether Bibles, or any other document as produced in the world. There are also presentations which are free from such errors. The Pure Cambridge Edition itself is not hinged upon whether or not there have been typographical errors in particular books or electronic files.&quot;

The two particular Collins that I mentioned are still PCEs and contain one of the aforementioned typos. Easily corrected with a pen and still a better representation than an non-PCE.

Matter settled for me and I will continue to recommend these two Collins Bibles and simply explain there is the one typo and there could be more.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1826', 'd06e8e563f', '', 'Very wise Harley.

Pr 15:28 The heart of the righteous studieth to answer: but the mouth of the wicked poureth out evil things.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1827', 'bb72137331', 'The Protector, 5 December 2010', '[img:bb72137331]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:bb72137331]

[color=red:bb72137331]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:bb72137331]

WELCOME! [i:bb72137331]The Protector[/i:bb72137331] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:bb72137331][color=darkblue:bb72137331]EDITORIAL[/color:bb72137331][/size:bb72137331]

GUARDIANSHIP OF THE PURE CAMBRIDGE EDITION

The Elders of Victory Faith Centre have showed that they are the original or founding Guardians of the Pure Cambridge Edition. See: www.bibleprotector.com/VFC_statement_on_the_guardianship_of_the_KJB.pdf

[quote:bb72137331]The Eldership of Victory Faith Centre have specifically laid hold upon the Pure Cambridge Edition and have received it as provided by God, complete in its perfection, and the final form of the Bible (i.e. the final received text) forever. This shows that there has been an apostolic mandate given to the Elders, in discerning the correct text and in the bringing forth of the doctrine of it.

The apostolic work of the Elders as concerning the text includes their agreed consensus and witness to it, and the continual maintenance and publishing of it, including by synodical councils and directive commandments. “In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” (2 Corinthians 13:1b).

The Elders are set up as guardians of the pure text by Christ, as indicated through divine providence. There is, therefore, an ordination of power of the Elders, in the commissioning of the Elders and of Victory Faith Centre, to put forth the perfect Word of God in English, namely, the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible, by all means and forms of communication, and to steadfastly continue in the doctrine of it. All believers who stand in agreement with the Elders are enjoined to hold to the same position.[/quote:bb72137331]

Some time ago, an issue came up regarding why the Elders of Victory Faith Centre regard themselves as Guardians of the Pure Cambridge Edition. This was answered to show that believers who receive the Pure Cambridge Edition should also be guardians. See: http://finalauthority48270.yuku.com/sreply/21204/t/KJV-debating-.html

[quote:bb72137331]I am not one of the &quot;only&quot; guardians of the &quot;true Bible&quot;. First, we know that there are many true Bibles. Second, that there are many believers in the true Bibles. Third, that there are many people who recognise the KJB as really the true Bible, in the sense that it is the best Bible in the world, and really even the only Bible in the future. Fourth, that there is one correct edition of the King James Bible, which in God\'s providence we have recognised, and other people recognise it also. Anyone who is in agreement is a guardian of it, though there were three original people who in a more formal sense saw that they have the particular Guardianship ministry.[/quote:bb72137331]

This means that keeping the Word of God is not an “exclusive” responsibility.

[size=18:bb72137331][color=darkblue:bb72137331]NEWS[/color:bb72137331][/size:bb72137331]

“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:bb72137331]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:bb72137331]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:bb72137331][color=darkblue:bb72137331]DIRECTORY[/color:bb72137331][/size:bb72137331]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1828', 'b0a49b6063', '', 'In the earlier years, scholars started to give the Holy Bible a title named the Authorized Version, and later when the other Bible works were on the way, they reduced the bible to just a version.
[img:b0a49b6063]http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a168/PeterAV/kjb.gif[/img:b0a49b6063]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1829', 'e6d780b243', '', 'You are correct about the 1769 Cambridge Edition also having some corrected spellings such as small s in 1 John 5:8
Mine has \'s\' not \'S\'. 
*******
That Bible looked in good shape. Mine is, as well.
Of course, the one you show is an Oxford 1769.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1830', '5370454f6c', '', 'Cloud is not as KJBO as folk think he is.
In fact, while in India he used a modern translation Westcott/Hort style.
He had compromised and boasted of a church plant founded upon this Westcott &amp; Hort text.
He also lied about The Henry Morris letter, purposefully ta boot.
Looks like some shaking is going on, with some folk being exposed for the compromisers they really were.
*******
Sad to see, but it is the truth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1831', 'b806bef975', '', 'When I see stuff like this, the little beeper goes of inside me,saying Oh Oh.

[quote:b806bef975]In the October, 1978 issue of &quot;Bible Believers Bulletin,&quot; Peter Ruckman makes this statement: &quot;. . . the Holy Ghost, who honored the English text above any Greek or Hebrew text. . .&quot; By this he meant that the KJV translators were guided more accurately in their translation by the Holy Spirit than were those men who copied the original manuscripts.[/quote:b806bef975]
*******
Did you see that?
He is not speaking truth with his neighbour here.
He is trying to make Ruckman out to look like a fool.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1832', '11c05e181c', '', 'Matthew 5:18, &quot;For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1833', 'ffcf1791d5', 'The Protector, 12 December 2010', '[img:ffcf1791d5]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:ffcf1791d5]

[color=red:ffcf1791d5]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:ffcf1791d5]

WELCOME! [i:ffcf1791d5]The Protector[/i:ffcf1791d5] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:ffcf1791d5][color=darkblue:ffcf1791d5]EDITORIAL[/color:ffcf1791d5][/size:ffcf1791d5]

ENCOURAGEMENT TO ALL WHO ARE WELL AFFECTED WITH THE WORD

There are many encouraging promises in the Scripture. We should take heart of them:

“Then said the LORD unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it.” (Jeremiah 1:12).

“He sendeth forth his commandment upon earth: his word runneth very swiftly.” (Psalm 147:15).

Jesus told a very powerful parable. He showed how things can happen very quickly, and how rewards are there for those who are ready. “Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.” (Mt 24:44–47).

That’s us. We are the ones who should be apportioning the meat, that is, God’s Word, to others. There are immense rewards in our faithful persistence in the Word.

“Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.” (1 Corinthians 15:58).

[size=18:ffcf1791d5][color=darkblue:ffcf1791d5]NEWS[/color:ffcf1791d5][/size:ffcf1791d5]

“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:ffcf1791d5]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:ffcf1791d5]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:ffcf1791d5][color=darkblue:ffcf1791d5]DIRECTORY[/color:ffcf1791d5][/size:ffcf1791d5]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1834', '089b442ae4', 'The Protector, 19 December 2010', '[img:089b442ae4]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:089b442ae4]

[color=red:089b442ae4]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:089b442ae4]

WELCOME! [i:089b442ae4]The Protector[/i:089b442ae4] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:089b442ae4][color=darkblue:089b442ae4]EDITORIAL[/color:089b442ae4][/size:089b442ae4]

THE CREATOR WANTS US TO PROSPER

It is wonderful to know that some politicians have a view which rejects evolutionary New Age philosophy. Kevin Andrews, MP, recently wrote, “[The Green Movement] involves the creation of a new pagan belief system, concerned not with the relationship between humans and a creator, but based on a deification of the environment.” (see source below).

It is exactly right that our belief system should be concerned with “the relationship between humans and a creator”. There is “a creator”.

The Bible answers the errors which the Green Movement promote, such as:
a. “the world’s population is excessive and should be reduced”.
b. “human consumption should be cut”.

Since there is a Creator, what does He reveal in His Word He has done?

“For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.” (Isaiah 45:18).

“Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;” (1 Timothy 6:17).

The opposite philosophy promotes shortage and limitation. Even though there is untold wealth in the earth, and inestimable potential, there are those who teach that we must “do with less”.

Jesus never taught “do with less”. Many of His parables and illustrations — if you think about them — have to do with wealth increase. Probably one of the least quoted verses of what Jesus said is, “And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.” (Luke 16:9).

Read Kevin Andrews here (you may have to try the url twice to make it work): http://www.kevinandrews.au.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.listcontent&amp;lms_name=NationalNews&amp;content_id=103&amp;content_name=The%20Greens%20Agenda:%20Part%202%20-Ideology

[size=18:089b442ae4][color=darkblue:089b442ae4]NEWS[/color:089b442ae4][/size:089b442ae4]

“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:089b442ae4]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:089b442ae4]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:089b442ae4][color=darkblue:089b442ae4]DIRECTORY[/color:089b442ae4][/size:089b442ae4]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1835', '8aed8a2f96', 'A comparison of young Earth creationism with KJB only', 'Both the young Earth creationist movement and the KJB only movement maintain that the Bible is the final authority for the Christian believer.

&quot;For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.&quot; (Jeremiah 4:28).

What God has spoken is final. He has put His words to mankind into a book - the Bible. It contains what is necessary for faith and doctrine. These movements must be consistent in this vital area of final authority. 

On the KJB only side, there have been some saying that it does not matter what edition of the KJB people use but this is a position that enables the enemy to get a foothold - the progression of received tradition editions must be seen to culminate with the Pure Cambridge Edition (PCE).

On the young Earth creationist side, there are still many doubting the plain words of the Bible and giving grounds for there to be doubts about the veracity of the Bible (eg. some say that the KJB use of the word \'firmament\' is inaccurate). This is a trend that must be stopped since it leads to unbelief. See the following for version comparison to see some major problems with this approach: http://av1611.com/kjbp/charts.html');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1836', '111f8b613a', 'The Protector, 26 December 2010', '[img:111f8b613a]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:111f8b613a]

[color=red:111f8b613a]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:111f8b613a]

WELCOME! [i:111f8b613a]The Protector[/i:111f8b613a] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:111f8b613a][color=darkblue:111f8b613a]EDITORIAL[/color:111f8b613a][/size:111f8b613a]

DANGEROUS ERRORS

In 1659 William Kilburne wrote a tract “Dangerous Errors in Several Late Printed Bibles: To the great scandal and corruption of sound and true Religion.”

Kilburne was a friend of Oliver Cromwell, and he wrote that every word of the Scripture was important. Therefore he attacked printers for being careless with the work, or for making Bible too expensive, and with so many typographical errors.

“Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.” (Prov. 30:5).

He wrote,

The sacred Scriptures are the Crystalline Fountain, from whence all the lucid streams and rivulets of pure Religion are derived and conducted into the cisterns and receptacles of the hearts and understandings of Christians; whereby they may be directed, and instructed to lead a gracious and holy life here and prepared for, and assured of a glorious and eternal life hereafter: And what accurate diligence venerable respect the ancient Jews did and bear towards the Pentateuch, and other Divine Books of Canonical Scripture of the old Testament, in accounting the number of words syllables, nay letters thereof: And also the fedulity of Christians since the death of Christ, (through all the terrible and sanguineous persecutions of cruel tyrants,) to convey from age to age the Testament of our blessed Saviour, and Writings and Epistles of his Holy Apostles in their purity, (whereby they have been by God’s providence preserved from corruption,) should incite, and invite us, (who have received a greater illumination and Reformation, than the Jews or primitive Christians,) carefully to promulge and propagate the word of God in its intrinsical virtue, and propriety; Considering the many Heresies and false Doctrines professed in our days; And that it was the arch-policy and design of the Devil in tempting our very Saviour (as Matt. 4. 6. and Luke 4. 10, 11. compared with Psalm 91. 11. 12.) to pervert, and falsely produce the authority and parallel of the Scripture: And when as also in the primitive times one iota (the least letter of the alphabet) occasioned so great a controversy in God’s Church, under the Empire of Constantine the Great. For in the Doctrine of the everblessed Trinity, in the debates of the Nicene Council, Athanasius and the Orthodox party held, that Christ was Homoiousios, and of the same Essence of God his Father; the Arians, and Heterodox, Homoousios making him a mere Creature, and depriving him of his royal Diadem of the eternal Divinity; Which two words differ but in one letter. And we read Judges 12. 6. that the Gileadites slew of the Ephraimites 42,000 souls for not pronouncing rightly Shibboleth, and missing but in one aspiration.
	You may well remember that the zeal and care of the late Bishops (especially of reverend and learned Doctor Usher) was such, that for the omission in one impression of the Bible of the negative word [not] in the seventh Commandment, the Printer was fined £2000 or £3000 in the late King’s time, as I have heard, which happened long before the late wars began: In which time through the absence of the King’s Printers, and cessation of Bible Printing at London, many erroneous English Bibles were printed in, and imported from Holland; which, being diligently compared by the late Assembly of Divines, were reported to the Parliament in 1643 to be corrupt, and dangerous to Religion; exhibiting to them these three faults only; for which the impression was suppressed and condemned to the fire, and a Prohibition made against the importation of any English Bibles for the future.

Read the full tract: www.bibleprotector.com/Kilburne.pdf

[size=18:111f8b613a][color=darkblue:111f8b613a]NEWS[/color:111f8b613a][/size:111f8b613a]

“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:111f8b613a]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:111f8b613a]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:111f8b613a][color=darkblue:111f8b613a]DIRECTORY[/color:111f8b613a][/size:111f8b613a]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1837', 'be215aec43', 'The Protector. 2 January 2011', '[img:be215aec43]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:be215aec43]

[color=red:be215aec43]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:be215aec43]

WELCOME! [i:be215aec43]The Protector[/i:be215aec43] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:be215aec43][color=darkblue:be215aec43]EDITORIAL[/color:be215aec43][/size:be215aec43]

THE BIBLE IN OUR SOCIETY

At this time, because it is 400 years since the King James Bible first appeared (in 1611), there have been various eminent persons discussing and promoting the King James Bible. Of course, it is good literature, and had a massive impact on our language, and has been instrumental in our culture.

In a book entitled “Chosen People” by Clifford Longley (a Catholic), which deals with American and British identity as influenced by , wrote about the beliefs of those who signed the US Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution, stating, “whose right use of the English language had also been so formed, alongside frequent recourse to the Authorized Version (which Americans call the King James Version) of the Bible.” (page 18).

It is fine for the British or Americans to claim that the Word of God is among them, as it is with us, because the Scripture itself states, “But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.” (Romans 10:18).

To have the sound of God’s words at hand is a wonderful thing. Very thrilling indeed. In this way, people can be praising the King James Bible for its wonderful rhythms and its literary influence.

But the Bible brings up another important passage, “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” (James 1:22). What we need is people, yes, the entire nation, turning to the Lord and obeying His Word.

It is one thing to recognise the educational qualities of the King James Bible. It is another thing to absorb it as the supreme schoolbook of the universe.

[size=18:be215aec43][color=darkblue:be215aec43]NEWS[/color:be215aec43][/size:be215aec43]

“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
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(From Our Authorized Bible Vindicated, 1930, pp. 31-42 )
by Benjamin G. Wilkinson, Ph. D.

Source: http://www.giveshare.org/library/bible/waldensesandbible.html

See also: James Henthorn Todd, The Books of the Vaudois
http://books.google.com/books?id=R34NAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=PR3

The Bible of the Waldenses Brought from Judea

To show that the messengers of God who carried manuscripts from the churches of Judea to the churches of northern Italy and on, brought to the forerunners of the Waldenses a Bible different from the Bible of Roman Catholicism, I quote the following:

      The method which Allix has pursued, in his History of the Churches of Piedmont, is to show that in the ecclesiastical history of every century, from the fourth century, which he considers a period early enough for the enquirer after apostolical purity of doctrine, there are clear proofs that doctrines, unlike those which the Romish Church holds, and conformable to the belief of the Waldensian and Reformed Churches, were maintained by theologians of the north of Italy down to the period, when the Waldenses first came into notice. Consequently the opinions of the Waldenses were not new to Europe in the eleventh or twelfth centuries, and there is nothing improbable in the tradition, that the Subalpine Church persevered in its integrity in an uninterrupted course from the first preaching of the gospel in the valleys. - Gilly, Waldensian Researches, pp. 118, 119.

There are many earlier historians who agree with this view. (Allix, Leger, Gilly, Comba, Nolan). It is held that the pre-Waldensian Christians of northern Italy could not have had doctrines purer than Rome unless their Bible was purer than Rome\'s; that is, was not of Rome\'s falsified manuscripts. (Comba, p. 188.)

The Waldenses of northern Italy were foremost among the primitive Christians of Europe in their resistance to the Papacy. They not only sustained the weight of Rome\'s oppression but they were successful in retaining the torch of truth until the Reformation took it from their hands and held it aloft to the world. Veritably they fulfilled the prophecy of Revelation concerning the church which fled into the wilderness where she hath a place prepared of God. Revelations 12: 6, 14. They rejected the mysterious doctrines, the hierarchal priesthood and the worldly titles of Rome, while they clung to the simplicity of the Bible.

The agents of the Papacy have done their utmost to calumniate their character, to destroy the records of their noble past, and to leave no trace of the cruel persecution they underwent. They went even farther - they made use of words written against ancient heresies to strike out the name of the heretics and fill the blank space by inserting the name of the Waldenses. Just as if, in a book written to record the lawless deeds of some bandit, like Jesse James, his name should be stricken out and the name of Abraham Lincoln substituted. The Jesuit Gretser in a book written against the heretics of the twelfth and thirteenth centuries, put the name Waldenses at the point where he struck out the name of these heretics. (Gilly, p. 8.) Nevertheless, we greet with joy the history of their great scholars who were ever a match for Rome.

In the fourth century, Helvidius, a great scholar of northern Italy, accused Jerome, whom the Pope had empowered to form a Bible in Latin for Catholicism, with using corrupt Greek manuscripts. (Post-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 6, p. 338.) How could Helvidius have accused Jerome of employing corrupt Greek MSS. if Helvidius had not had the pure Greek manuscripts? And so learned and so powerful in writing and teaching was Jovinian, the pupil of Helvidius, that it demanded three of Rome\'s most famous fathers - Augustine, Jerome, and Ambrose - to unite in opposing Jovinian\'s influence. Even then, it needed the condemnation of the Pope and the banishment of the Emperor to prevail. But Jovinian\'s followers lived on and made the way easier for Luther.

History does not afford a record of cruelty greater than that manifested by Rome toward the Waldenses. It is impossible to write fully the inspiring history of this persecuted people, whose origin goes back to apostolic days and whose history is ornamented with stories of gripping interest. Rome has obliterated the records. Dr. DeSanctis, many years a Catholic official at Rome, some time official Censor of the Inquisition and later a convert to Protestantism, thus reports the conversation of a Waldensian scholar as he points out to others the ruins of Palatine Hill, Rome:

      &quot;See,&quot; said the Waldensian, &quot;a beautiful monument of ecclesiastical antiquity. These rough materials are the ruins of the two great Palatine libraries, one Greek and the other Latin, where the precious manuscripts of our ancestors were collected, and which Pope Gregory I, called the Great, caused to be burned.&quot; (DeSanctis, Popery, Puseyism, Jesuitism, p. 53.)

The destruction of Waldensian records beginning about 600 A. D. by Gregory I, was carried through with thoroughness by the secret agents of the Papacy.

&quot;It is a singular thing,&quot; says Gilly, &quot;that the destruction or rapine, which has been so fatal to Waldensian documents, should have pursued them even to the place of security, to which all, that remained, were consigned by Morland, in 1658, the library of the University of Cambridge. The most ancient of these relics were ticketed in seven packets, distinguished by letters of the alphabet, from A to G. The whole of these were missing when I made inquiry for them in 1823.&quot; (Gilly, Waldensian Researches, p. 80.)

Ancient Documents of the Waldenses

There are modern writers who attempt to fix the beginning of the Waldenses from Peter Waldo, who began his work about 1175. This is a mistake. The historical name of this people, as properly derived from the valleys where they lived, is Vaudois. Their enemies, however, ever sought to date their origin from Waldo. Waldo was an agent, evidently raised up of God to combat the errors of Rome. Gilly, who made extensive research concerning the Waldenses, pictures Waldo in his study at Lyon, France, with associates, a committee, &quot;like the translators of our own Authorized Version.&quot; (Comba, Waldenses of Italy, p. 169, note 596.) Nevertheless the history of the Waldenses, or Vaudois, begins centuries before the days of Waldo.

There remains to us in the ancient Waldensian language, &quot;The Noble Lesson,&quot; (La Nobla Leycon), written about the year 1100 A. D., which assigns the first opposition of the Waldenses to the Church of Rome to the days of Constantine the Great, when Sylvester was Pope. This may be gathered from the following extract:

&quot;All the Popes, which have been from Sylvester to the present time.&quot; (Que tuit li papa, que foron de Silvestre en tro en aquest.) (Gilly, Excursions, Appendix 2, p. 10.)

Thus when Christianity, emerging from the long persecutions of pagan Rome, was raised to imperial favor by the Emperor Constantine, the Italic Church in northern Italy - later the Waldenses - is seen standing in opposition to papal Rome. Their Bible was of the family of the renowned Itala. It was that translation into Latin which represents the Received Text. Its very name &quot;Itala&quot; is derived from the Italic district, the regions of the Vaudois. Of the purity and reliability of this version, Augustine, speaking of different Latin Bibles (about 400 A.D.) says:

&quot;Now among translations themselves the Italian (Itala) is to be preferred to the others, for it keeps closer to the words without prejudice to clearness of expression.&quot; (Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 2, p. 542.)

The old Waldensian liturgy which they used in their services down through the centuries contained &quot;texts of Scripture of the ancient Version called the Italick.&quot; (Allix, Churches of Piedmont, 1690, p. 37.)

The Reformers held that the Waldensian Church was formed about 120 A. D., from which date on, they passed down from father to son the teachings they received from the apostles. The Latin Bible, the Italic, was translated from the Greek not later than 157 A. D. (Scrivener\'s Introduction, Vol. 2, p. 43.) We are indebted to Beza, the renowned associate of Calvin, for the statement that the Italic Church dates from 120 A. D. From the illustrious group of scholars which gathered around Beza, 1590 A. D., we may understand how the Received Text was the bond of union between great historic churches. As the sixteenth century is closing, we see in the beautiful Swiss city of Geneva, Beza, an outstanding champion of Protestantism, the scholar Cyril Lucar, later to become the head of the Greek Catholic Church, and Diodati, also a foremost scholar. As Beza astonishes and confounds the world by restoring manuscripts of that Greek New Testament from which the King James is translated, Diodati takes the same and translates into Italian a new and famous edition, adopted and circulated by the Waldenses. (McClintock &amp; Strong Encycl., Art. &quot;Waldenses.&quot;) Leger, the Waldensian historian of his people, studied under Diodati at Geneva. He returned as pastor to the Waldenses and led them in their flight from the terrible massacre of 1655. (Gilly, Researches, pp. 79, 80.) He prized as his choicest treasure the Diodati Bible, the only worldly possession he was able to preserve. Cyril Lucar hastened to Alexandria where Codex A, the Alexandrian Manuscript, is lying, and laid down his life to introduce the Reformation and the Reformers\' pure light regarding the books of the Bible.

At the same time another group of scholars, bitterly hostile to the first group, were gathered at Rheims, France. There the Jesuits, assisted by Rome and backed by all the power of Spain, brought forth an English translation of the Vulgate. In its preface they expressly declared that the Vulgate had been translated in 1300 into Italian and in 1400 into French, &quot;the sooner to shake out of the deceived people\'s hands, the false heretical translations of a sect called Waldenses.&quot; This proves that Waldensian Versions existed in 1300 and 1400. It was the Vulgate, Rome\'s corrupt Scriptures against the Received Text--the New Testament of the apostles, of the Waldenses, and of the Reformers.

That Rome in early days corrupted the manuscripts while the Italic Church handed them down in their apostolic purity, Allix, the renowned scholar, testifies. He reports the following as Italic articles of faith: &quot;They receive only, saith he, what is written in the Old and New Testament. They say, that the Popes of Rome, and other priests, have depraved the Scriptures by their doctrines and glosses.&quot; (Allix, Churches of Piedmont, pp. 288, 11.)

It is recognized that the Itala was translated from the Received Text (Syrian, Hort calls it); that the Vulgate is the Itala with the readings of the Received Text removed. (Kenyon, Our Bible and the Ancient Manuscripts, pp. 169, 170.)

Waldensian Bible Translations

Four Bibles produced under Waldensian influence touched the history of Calvin: namely, a Greek, a Waldensian vernacular, a French, and an Italian. Calvin himself was led to his great work by Olivetan, a Waldensian. Thus was the Reformation brought to Calvin, that brilliant student of the Paris University. Farel, also a Waldensian, besought him to come to Geneva and open up a work there. Calvin felt that he should labor in Paris. According to Leger, Calvin recognized a relationship to the Calvins of the valley of St. Martin, one of the Waldensian Valleys. (Leger, History of the Vaudois, p. 167.)

Finally, persecution at Paris and the solicitation of Farel caused Calvin to settle at Geneva, where, with Beza, he brought out an edition of the Textus Receptus, the one the author now uses in his college class rooms, as edited by Scrivener. Of Beza, Dr. Edgar says that he &quot;astonished and confounded the world&quot; with the Greek manuscripts he unearthed. This later edition of the Received Text is in reality a Greek New Testament brought out under Waldensian influence. Unquestionably, the leaders of the Reformation, German, French, and English, were convinced that the Received Text was the genuine New Testament, not only by its own irresistible history and internal evidence, but also because it matched with the Received Text which in Waldensian form came down from the days of the apostles.

The other three Bibles of Waldensian connection were due to three men who were at Geneva with Calvin, or when he died, with Beza, his successor, namely, Olivetan, Leger, and Diodati. How readily the two streams of descent of the Received Text, through the Greek East and the Waldensian West, ran together, is illustrated by the meeting of the Olivetan Bible and the Received Text. Olivetan, one of the most illustrious pastors of the Waldensian Valleys, a relative of Calvin, according to Leger, (Leger, History of the Vaudois, p. 167) and a splendid student, translated the New Testament into French. Leger bore testimony that the Olivetan Bible, which accorded with the Textus Receptus, was unlike the manuscripts of the Papists, because they were full of falsification. Later, Calvin edited a second edition of the Olivetan Bible. The Olivetan in turn became the basis of the Geneva Bible in English, which was the leading version in England in 1611 when the King James appeared.

Diodati, who succeeded Beza in the chair of Theology at Geneva, translated the Received Text into Italian. This version was adopted by the Waldenses, although there was in use at that time a Waldensian Bible in their own peculiar language. This we know because Sir Samuel Morland, under the protection of Oliver Cromwell, received from Leger the Waldensian New Testament which now lies in the Cambridge University Library. After the devastating massacre of the Waldenses in 1655, Leger felt that he should collect and give into the hands of Sir Samuel Morland as many pieces of the ancient Waldensian literature as were available.

It is interesting to trace back the Waldensian Bible which Luther had before him when he translated the New Testament. Luther used the Tepl Bible, named from Tepl, Bohemia. This Tepl manuscript represented a translation of the Waldensian Bible into the German which was spoken before the days of the Reformation. (Comba, Waldenses of Italy, p. 191.) Of this remarkable manuscript, Comba says:

      When the manuscript of Tepl appeared, the attention of the learned was aroused by the fact that the text it presents corresponds word for word with that of the first three editions of the ancient German Bible. Then Louis Keller, an original writer, with the decided opinions of a layman and versed in the history of the sects of the Middle Ages, declared the Tepl manuscript to be Waldensian. Another writer, Hermann Haupt, who belongs to the old Catholic party, supported his opinion vigorously. (Comba, p. 190.)

From Comba we also learn that the Tepl manuscript has an origin different from the version adopted by the Church of Rome; that it seems to agree rather with the Latin versions anterior to Jerome, the author of the Vulgate; and that Luther followed it in his translation, which is probably the reason why the Catholic church reproved Luther for following the Waldenses. (Comba, p. 192.) Another peculiarity is its small size, which seems to single it out as one of those little books which the Waldensian evangelists carried with them hidden under their rough cloaks. (Comba, p. 191, Note 679.) We have, therefore, an indication of how much the Reformation under Luther as well as Luther\'s Bible owed to the Waldenses.

Waldensian influence, both from the Waldensian Bibles and from Waldensian relationships, entered into the King James translation of 1611. Referring to the King James translators, one author speaks thus of a Waldensian Bible they used:

      It is known that among modern versions they consulted was an Italian, and though no name is mentioned, there cannot be room for doubt that it was the elegant translation made with great ability from the original Scriptures by Giovanni Diodati, which had only recently (1607) appeared at Geneva. (Dr. Benjamin Warfield, Princeton Univ., Collection of Opinions and Reviews, Vol. 2, p. 99.)

It is therefore evident that the translators of 1611 had before them four Bibles which had come under Waldensian influences: the Diodati in Italian, the Olivetan in French, the Lutheran in German, and the Genevan in English. We have every reason to believe that they had access to at least six Waldensian Bibles written in the old Waldensian vernacular.

Dr. Nolan, who had already acquired fame for his Greek and Latin scholarship, and researches into Egyptian chronology, and was a lecturer of note, spent twenty-eight years to trace back the Received Text to its apostolic origin. He was powerfully impressed to examine the history of the Waldensian Bible. He felt certain that researches in this direction would demonstrate that the Italic New Testament, or the New Testament of those primitive Christians of northern Italy whose lineal descendants the Waldenses were, would turn out to be the Received Text. He says:

      The author perceived, without any labor of inquiry, that it derived its name from that diocese, which has been termed the Italick, as contradistinguished from the Roman. This is a supposition, which receives a sufficient confirmation from the fact that the principal copies of that version have been preserved in that diocese, the metropolitan church of which was situated in Milan. The circumstance is at present mentioned, as the author thence formed a hope, that some remains of the primitive Italick version might be found in the early translations made by the Waldenses, who were the lineal descendants of the Italick Church; and who have asserted their independence against the usurpations of the Church of Rome, and have ever enjoyed the free use of the Scriptures. In the search to which these considerations have led the author, his fondest expectations have been fully realized. It has furnished him with abundant proof on that point to which his inquiry was chiefly directed; as it has supplied him with the unequivocal testimony of a truly apostolical branch of the primitive church, that the celebrated text of the heavenly witnesses was adopted in the version which prevailed in the Latin Church, previously to the introduction of the modern Vulgate. (Dr. Frederick Nolan, Integrity of the Greek Vulgate, pp. xvii, xviii.)

How the Bible Adopted by Constantine Was Set Aside

Where did this Vaudois Church amid the rugged peaks of the Alps secure these uncorrupted manuscripts? In the silent watches of the night, along the lonely paths of Asia Minor where robbers and wild beasts lurked, might have been seen the noble missionaries carrying manuscripts, and verifying documents from the churches in Judea to encourage their struggling brethren under the iron heel of the Papacy. The sacrificing labors of the apostle Paul were bearing fruit. His wise plan to anchor the Gentile churches of Europe to the churches of Judea, provided the channel of communication which defeated continually and finally the bewildering pressure of the Papacy. Or, as the learned Scrivener has beautifully put it:

      Wide as is the region which separates Syria from Gaul, there must have been in very early times some remote communication by which the stream of Eastern testimony, or tradition, like another Alpheus, rose up again with fresh strength to irrigate the regions of the distant West. (Scrivener\'s Introduction, Vol. 2, pp. 299, 300.)

We have it now revealed how Constantine\'s Hexapla Bible was successfully met. A powerful chain of churches, few in number compared with the manifold congregations of an apostate Christianity, but enriched with the eternal conviction of truth and with able scholars, stretched from Palestine to Scotland. If Rome in her own land was unable to beat down the testimony of apostolic Scriptures, how could she hope, in the Greek speaking world of the distant and hostile East, to maintain the supremacy of her Greek Bible? The Scriptures of the apostle John and his associates, the traditional text, the Textus Receptus, if you please, arose from the place of humiliation forced on it by Origen\'s Bible in the hands of Constantine and became the Received Text of Greek Christianity. And when the Greek East for one thousand years was completely shut off from the Latin West, the noble Waldenses in northern Italty still possessed in Latin the Received Text.

To Christians preserving apostolic Christianity, the world owes the Bible. It is not true, as the Roman Church claims, that she gave the Bible to the world. What she gave was an impure text, a text with thousands of verses so changed as to make way for her unscriptural doctrines. While upon those who possessed the veritable Word of God, she poured out through long centuries her stream of cruel persecution. Or, in the words of another writer:

      The Waldenses were among the first of the peoples of Europe to obtain a translation of the Holy Scriptures. Hundreds of years before the Reformation, they possessed the Bible in manuscript in their native tongue. They had the truth unadulterated, and this rendered them the special objects of hatred and persecution. . . . Here for a thousand years, witnesses for the truth maintained the ancient faith. . . . In a most wonderful manner it (the word of truth) was preserved uncorrupted through all the ages of darkness.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1839', 'e87d19028b', '', 'There are a few problems with Wilkinson\'s presentation.

One important fact is that the testimony to the true readings (and translation) Scripture was preserved in the insular Latin traditions, as well as in the Eastern Orthodox traditions.

As far as Church traditions go, the Celtic Church was greater than the Waldensian.

The beginning of the modern textus receptus was Erasmus. Our English Bible actually comes from the Vulgate Latin corrected by the Greek.');
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Jerome\'s corrected by the Greek?

IV. (i) The Old Latin. The Latin Bible (before St Jerome made Latin Vulgate) was not one Version but a number of incomplete translations. The Western Church possessed no standard text, and particular MSS. swarmed with faults. The O.T. portion was rendered from the LXX, and its value at the present day is chiefly that of a witness to the text of that Version. Of the O.T. the portions now preserved are (1) the bulk of the Pentateuch, Joshua, and Judges, (2) the Psalter in the Mozarabic Breviary and in Jerome\'s \'Roman\' edition, (3) the Prophets (with important gaps). Large fragments of these and other books can be recovered from the works of the Latin Fathers, e.g. from the Speculum [Augustini].

(ii) The Vulgate. In 384 A.d. St Jerome was asked to undertake a revision of the Old Latin texts, and an edition of the N.T. was quickly made by him. Commencing in the O.T. with the Psalter, he issued two recensions, the \' Roman \' and the \'Gallican \' made with the aid of the LXX and the Hexapla respectively. Eventually between 392-405 A.d. he completed a rendering of the O.T. taken directly from the Hebrew. Not, however, until the 7th cent, did this new Version, which became known as the Vulgate, entirely supersede the Old Latin, and even then the Gallican Psalter (Jerome\'s second revision from the Greek) was retained, whilst the Apocryphal books remained in the Old Latin rendering.

Source: Editor William Emery Barnes, A companion to Biblical studies: being a revised and rewritten edition of The Cambridge companion to the Bible, University press, 1916. Original from the University of Michigan. Digitized Jun 9, 2010. Google Book: http://books.google.com/books?id=w3EKAQAAMAAJ&amp;pg=PR3');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1841', '27bcc6b8bd', '', 'Erasmus was obviously consulting the current Latin at hand.

There are, of course, various editions of the Vulgate. Already the KJB translators pointed out the Sixtine and Clementine editions, which had hundreds of differences between them.

In reality, there are numerous variations within the Latin, especially once one starts looking at insular Latin families.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1842', '0ed66ee1be', '', 'Another point to which the authour has directed his attention, has been the consideration of the old Italick translation. Notwithstanding the labours of M. M. Blanchini and Sabatier, much remains to be done with this version, the history of which is so little known, that the very propriety of its name lias been questioned. In considering the strange errour into which Dr. Bentley has led Abp. Potter, Dr. Mosheim, and Prof. Michaelis, on this subject, the authour perceived, without any labour of inquiry, that it derived its name from that diocese, &#9632;which has been termed the Italick, as contradistinguished from the Roman k. This is a supposition, which receives a sufficient confirmation from the fact,—that the principal copies of that version have been preserved in that diocese, the metropolitan church of which was situated in Milan. The circumstance is at present mentioned, as the authour thence formed a hope, that some remains of the primitive Italick version might be found in the early translations made by the Waldenses, who were the lineal descendants of the Italick Church; and

k Vid. Cave, Governm. of Ant. Church, ch. iii. p. 127. Comp. Allix, Rem. on Ant Ch. of Piedmont, ch. i. p. 1.

b

who have asserted their independence against the usurpations of the Church of Rome, and have ever enjoyed the free use of the Scriptures. In the search, to which these considerations have led the authour, his fondest expectations have been fully realized. It has furnished him with abundant proof on that • point to which his Inquiry was chiefly directed ; as it has supplied him with the unequivocal testimony of a truly apostolical branch of the primitive church, that the celebrated text of the heavenly witnesses wag adopted in the version which prevailed in the Latin Church, previously to the introduction of the modern Vulgate1.

1 Of the old versions which have been published in French, two were made by the Waldenses ; vid. Le Long. Bibl. Sacr. Tom. I, p. 313. col. 2. e. Morland on the Church of the Valleys, p. 14. But one copy of this version has fallen into my hands, which was printed at the native place of Peter Waldo; &quot; Au Lyon, l\'an de grace 1521.&quot; The following is the reading of 1 Joh. v. 7. 8. fol. clxiv. b. &quot; Trois choses sont qui donnent tesnioing au ciel, le pere le filj et le sainct esperit, et ces troia sont une chose. Et trois choses qui donnent tesmoing en terre, esperit eaue et sang.\'1 This testimony would be of little importance until the character of the translation was investigated, by a comparison with other French Versions and the old Italick and modern Latin Vulgate; were it not for the following considerations: (1.) It differs from the Latin Vulgate; as it reads

le filz&quot; for &quot; Verbum.&quot; (2.) It agrees in this reading with an antient Confession of Faith, used by the Waldenses. Leger. Hist. Gen. des Eglis. Vaudois. P. I. ch. viii. p. 50. ed. Leyd. 1669. &quot; Eschant. v. de la Doctrine des Vnudois, contenant la fidele traduction de l\'Exposition qu\'ils out donoe\' au Symbole des Ap6ires—oi ils en prouvent tous les Articles par passages expr&amp;t de la &amp; Ecxiture.—\' Lequel Dieu est un Trijjite, comme il est ecrit en. la Loy, \' O Israel 6coute,\' &amp;c.— Et 5. Jean, \' Jl y en a trois qui rendent Umoignage aji ciel%

Tfhe result of the Inquiry, which has been prose-* eutett through these subjects, the authour hoped to have taken an earlier opportunity of laying before

le Pere, le Fils, et le S. Esprit, et ces trnis soni u«.&quot; The original of this passage, as far as I can gather from M. Legef, day be found in le Sieur du Perrin, Hist, des Vaudois et

to be so far complete, that this passage was adopted fat the authorised text used by the Waldenses. The following considerations seem adequate to evince, that it\' existed hi the Latin Version revised by. St. Eusebius of Varceli, who published the old translation which prevailed in the Italick Diocese. (1.) In reading &quot; Fihus,&quot; It agree* with Tertul*

dprn Vulgate, and the Latin Fathers; vid. infiVp. 201. h. ^ sqq. St Eusebius. might have bonce adopted this read*

ing, as he has adopted other readings from those fathers, in, his revisal; vidv innc. p. 1,46. &#9632;. **. (3.) The French Versibr* agrees with the. old Italick in possessing other readings derived} from the same source i in the Lord\'s Prayer, we find^ instead* of &quot; ne inducas nos in temptationem.&quot; Lat. Vulg. &quot; ne nous mene mye en temptacion, cest a dire ne sonffre mye que nous soyonz temptez;&quot; conformably to Tertullian and Cyprian : vid. infr. p. 330. n. **. (4.) The disputed passage, as read ia the Waldensian Confession, and French Version, is accommodated to the state of religious opinion which prevailed in the age of St. Eusebius. By changing Verbum to Filius, in vers. 7. the Sabellian evasion of the passage was obviated: vid. infr. p. 539. n. ,89. By cutting off &quot; et hi tres (in) unum sunt,\'\' in vers.\'8. the Arian evasion of the passage was equally obviated. For this phrase furnished some countenance to the notion of those hereticks who asserted, that &quot; unum sunt&quot; signified an unity, not of substance, but of will and testimony. As these are coincidences which the Waldenses cannot be supposed to have created, I thence conclude, that 1 Joh v. 7. not only existed in the revisal of the old Italiek Version made by Eusebius Vercellensis; but that the peculiar reading of this text, which is found in the French Version, and which has excited M. Porson\'s notice, has been thus remotely adopted from St. Cyprian : vid. Porson. Lett, to Trav. p. 377- It thus easily made its way into WicklePs translation, through the Lollards, who were disciples of the Waldenses; vid. Pwts. ibid, Mori. ub.

Source: http://books.google.com/books?id=FF4UAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=PR17');
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There are various unusual words or grammatical forms in the Bible. In order to study this out more completely, we should attempt to understand the grammar of the Bible. 

Theory of conjugation attempting to list present, past and past participle of irregular verbs.

The first word, the present form of the verb, is what is being done right now, like, I do.

The second word is the simple past of what I have been doing, as in, I did.

The third word is the competed or perfect form of what has been done, that is, I have done.

The following list is not in every case strictly from the Bible, but is an attempt to list the sequence of conjugation generally in line with what is found in the Bible.

bear, bare/bore, borne
begin, began, begun
bid, bade, bidden
break, brake/broke, broken
burn, burned, burnt
buy, bought, bought
come, came, come
cut, cut, cut
drink, drank, drunk/drunken
drive, drave/drove, driven
earn, earned, earned (earnt)
eat, ate, eaten
fight, fought, fought
fly, flied/flew, flown
forget, forgot, forgotten
forsake, forsook, forsaken
get, got, gotten
give, gave, given
have, had, had
learn, learned/learnt, learnt
make, made, made
pay, paid/payed, paid
read (= reed), read (= red), read (= red)
ride, rode, ridden
ring, rang, rung
run, ran, run
say/says, said, said
sing, sang, sung
swim, swam, swum
take, took, taken
tear, tare/tore, torn
think, thought, thought

I want to point out the following possible sequence:

build, builded, built

As we continue to investigate the precision and accuracy of the words of the King James Bible, we come to better understand the complexity and perfection which is there.

We are, as it were, unlocking the Creator\'s secrets, and again, that which has been hid is now made manifest.

It should be clear to any reader of the Authorized English Bible that each word is used today in the standard edition quite properly and orderly.

On examination, I have found a pattern in the use of &quot;builded&quot;, where I note that the word is being used with the specific meaning of &quot;constructed&quot; by labour. (I suggest that the emphasis is on the process.)

Whereas &quot;built&quot; has the wider meaning, such as made, formed, constructed, created, etc.

The point is that while we are all learning, and yet discovering more marvels, we leave far behind those who are languishing in the mistaken notion that a specific form like &quot;builded&quot; is of no significance when compared to &quot;built&quot;.

The formula then is that while &quot;built&quot; could possibly be substituted for &quot;builded&quot;, &quot;builded&quot; cannot always be substituted for (all the uses of) &quot;built&quot;. (We even get the idea of this from the OED.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1844', '0cb2de579d', '', 'Brief Defense of the Trinity
http://benstanhope.blogspot.com/2010/06/brief-defense-of-trinity.html');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1845', 'd74d929923', 'Psalm 51:11', 'I believe the King James Bible is the word of God.  However I\'m confused about Psalm 51:11.  I noticed that the PCE text has a lower case &quot;s&quot; for Holy Spirit in this verse.  However, in my library I have an AV from 1857 which has capital &quot;S&quot; for Holy Spirit.  
Is there some reason for the lower case &quot;s&quot; in this verse?

Also, does anyone know what is being referred to Daniel 11:38 &quot;God of forces&quot; with a capital &quot;G&quot;?  Is this a reference to God?

Thanks and God bless you

Alex');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1846', 'a179b7e4dd', 'The Protector, 9 January 2011', '[img:a179b7e4dd]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:a179b7e4dd]

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[size=18:a179b7e4dd][color=darkblue:a179b7e4dd]EDITORIAL[/color:a179b7e4dd][/size:a179b7e4dd]

RESTORE THE COMMONWEALTH

South Australian senator, Cory Bernardi, has recently called for a “Conservative Revolution” (and is soon to publish a book by the same name).

He states, “That’s why we need a revolution of sorts in this country. A revolution that will restore the principles and values that have successfully guided mankind and our society since the dawn of time.” These are key words, “We need to restore that which is now routinely ignored”. He concludes, “In short, we need not just any revolution, we need a conservative revolution. One that will re-establish the family, social and economic virtues that have been neglected for at least two generations”.

People may generally agree with what they call “Judeo-Christian Principles”, but we need to be specific about this. Much of Australia’s cultural and ideological heritage was historically linked with Protestant Churches and with the English Bible which they all used in common.

If we want to be really serious about “restoring”, then we have to go down the path of favouring Protestantism over Roman Catholicism, and perhaps bringing back various features of the justice system. Unfortunately, these are the very things which most people are not eagre to reinstate, and so we should be sound-minded in what features we aim for in our society.

If we study Bible prophecy, we find that this idea is not just nice words. It sounds wonderful to say that we need to restore traditional values and civic virtue. Many people agree. But what we need to believe is that God’s Word has power in it, to actually bring about these changes, and that we must be the instruments of effecting such changes, by what we say, and by people having their hearts turned to the old message of godliness.

“I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.” (Isaiah 49:6b).

“For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing” (Isaiah 28:11, 12a).

“All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.” (Psalm 22:27).

You can read Sen. Cory Berndari’s blog here: http://www.corybernardi.com/2010/12/let-the-revolution-begin.html

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1847', '607d335edd', '', 'The &quot;spirit&quot; in Psalm 51 is talking about what God does in the human spirit by the Holy Ghost. Remember that there are various verses throughout the Bible which talk about God\'s work of the Holy Ghost and use the word &quot;spirit&quot; because it relates to the impartation or generally nature and work of God in a person or people.

There are plenty of editions with lower case &quot;s&quot;.

As for the God of forces, that is not God as properly understood by Protestants. It could mean the use of the word God by Catholics, by Russian Orthodox, by Islam or by ecumenists. The God of forces itself seems to be a uniting of the Russian God with the Islamic deity as though they are the same thing. Also, the God of forces can be approached form a secularist viewpoint to be the universe itself, or other similar ideas linked with destiny.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1848', '3fc20cfd86', '', 'That\'s great, I would have thought capital would be appropriate but just shows what I know.  I love learning new things from the Bible.  Looking forward to that day when Christ is our teacher in the kingdom revealing so many of the questions which we still have...one things for sure, God has been faithful to us in delivering his word .. Great is thy faithfulness!
Sorry to ramble .  As for Daniel 11, I thought as much but I just wanted confirmation.  You\'ve done a noble deed with the Pce.  I painstakingly went thru my Nelson Kjv (first Bible I got when I got saved) and conformed it to the Pce text.  
You also made a good point about the capitals... Many seem to accept the new versions just on the basis that they capitalize words like Him and He referring. To Jesus.  While nice, what I always found was it interfered with the flow of the text...back in my younger years when I used modern versions.  Thats what I have found about the modern versions, they always want to &quot;correct&quot; to what they think is doctrine rather than believing what it says.  To quote a great in the faith, &quot;the Bible doesn\'t doesn\'t need to be rewritten, just reread&quot; amen!  Looking forward to your thoughts :)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1849', 'f7a479cdc7', '', '[color=darkblue:f7a479cdc7]Hi Folks,[/color:f7a479cdc7]

[quote:f7a479cdc7=\"KJVSword\"]Brief Defense of the Trinity
http://benstanhope.blogspot.com/2010/06/brief-defense-of-trinity.html[/quote:f7a479cdc7] [color=darkblue:f7a479cdc7]
Note: Those three articles referenced below the video are by folks who do not accept the heavenly witnesses as scripture. (However the urls do not work).

The utube presentation has some problems, first .. it is not-AV.  And the Granville Sharp &quot;correction&quot; of the AV at Titus 2:13 is used, the heavenly witnesses and 1 Timothy 3:16 are not mentioned (probably because it is by modern versionists with the textus corruptus) and the false corruption of Jehovah is used.  

Also, the speaker takes the position of &quot;three distinct centers of consciousness&quot; which is only one Trinitarian view expounded and defended, many others disagree (even James White deferred from that phrase, in my experience).

Shalom,
Steven[/color:f7a479cdc7]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1850', 'c3e88f43cf', 'Yes', '[quote:c3e88f43cf]Those three articles referenced below the video are by folks who do not accept the heavenly witnesses as scripture.[/quote:c3e88f43cf]
Yes, I found this so-called defense of the Trinity to be less than edifying. If people don\'t believe 1 John 5:7 should be in their \'bible\', then they will find it hard to defend the faith properly.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1851', '00023c7d3b', '', 'The booklet, &quot;The King James Bible Only Position and True Pentecostalism&quot; is here:

http://www.bibleprotector.com/KJBOandPENTECOST.pdf');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1852', 'e26e9da7ef', 'Online site with PCE Downloads + Way to bind yourself a book', 'Not sure if this site has been posted before, but it contains several PCE downloadable font/filetype versions (bibleprotector.com is mentioned), plus gives ideas for printing and binding one\'s own copy:

http://www.biblicalscholarship.net/AV.htm');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1853', '06debf2a0e', '', 'I have installed two electronic versions (both free):

1. e-Sword--has a PCE module available at its website

2. TheWord--I converted the e-Sword PCE module to work in TheWord

The PCE module for TheWord should be available here:

http://www.4shared.com/file/bzgw-Kkj/King_James_Bible_Pure_Cambridg.html

-----&gt; FYI: I find myself using TheWord software almost exclusively now.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1854', '9822dc6d11', '', 'KJV Cameo Reference Black Goatskin KJ456:XRE
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521146127/ref=oss_product

Passes: Ezra 2:26... Geba and the list of 12 verses, except for 1 John 5:8 where Spirit is capitalized.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1855', 'd35938ccc9', '', 'That means it\'s not PCE, though obviously close (the printers at Cambridge seem to have made just a few changes, sometimes only at 1 John 5:8, sometimes also at Acts 11:12 and/or 11:28 as well).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1856', '851ed39d07', 'A pity.', '[quote:851ed39d07]the printers at Cambridge seem to have made just a few changes[/quote:851ed39d07]
And changes that are not in line with the received tradition. Someone at Cambridge has acted completely out of line with respect to God\'s truth. A deliberate, wilful and sinful change has been made away from &quot;spirit&quot; in 1 John 5:8. They clearly cannot be trusted with guardianship of the PCE.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1857', 'ac13b1330c', '', '[quote:ac13b1330c=\"KJBman777\"]We have always maintained that the presence of a typo or typos in a print run does not negate a KJB being a PCE. There are anti-KJB mockers who try to make this an issue.

The checklist provided on this site has shown edition differences that clearly affect doctrine, such as where the PCE has a small &quot;s&quot; in 1 John 5:8.[/quote:ac13b1330c]

[quote:ac13b1330c=\"bibleprotector\"]There are lots of Bibles printed by Collins and it is not hard to find some flaw in them. That doesn\'t make the Word of God of none effect.

The &quot;Pure Cambridge Edition&quot; as published by traditional publishers is not presented with immaculate typography in any single impression. However, the standard for correct jots and tittles is the Pure Cambridge Edition as presented in digital form on the Bible Protector website which does not have any typographical errors in the Scripture. 
      
PCE means that a KJB matches to twelve &quot;readings&quot; (particular edition variations). Thus, a PCE is able to be ordered online or at a bookstore.[/quote:ac13b1330c]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1858', 'ff90d08769', 'True.', 'You\'ve taken my quote from [b:ff90d08769]another thread[/b:ff90d08769] where there was a discussion about a typo at Matthew 25:29 in one particular print run - the word &quot;every&quot; is printed &quot;ever.&quot; This is, of course, different from the 1 John 5:8 change in some Cambridge Bibles where there is a deliberate change that affects the 12 point test.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1859', '6bd870120c', '', 'There is a difference between an ACCIDENTAL typographical error, and a change which is made DELIBERATELY.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1860', '2661fb7195', '', 'The context of 1 John 5:5-8 excerpted from the KJV in SwordSearcher 6.0:

1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1Jo 5:6 ¶ This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jo 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Verse 6: Clearly the &quot;Spirit&quot; beareth witness for those who come to Christ by water and blood.

Verse 7: The Holy Ghost or &quot;Spirit&quot; is among those three, who &quot;bear record&quot; in Heaven. If those three were not &quot;bearing record&quot; in Heaven, then there would not be any record in earth to bear witness of. The record had to be created by those three in Heaven, in order for there to have been a record to bear witness of in earth. 

Verse 8: If clearly the &quot;Spirit&quot; beareth witness for those who come to Christ by water and blood in verse 6, then verse 8 reinforces that there are three that bear witness in earth, &quot;the spirit&quot; and the water, and the blood...

Why would the &quot;S&quot; in &quot;Spirit&quot; that beareth witness for those who come to Christ by water and blood be upper case in verse 6, yet the &quot;s&quot; in &quot;spirit&quot; among the three that bear witness in earth, with again the water and blood, be lower case?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1861', '77ea5942e4', '', 'Answers are here: http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=428

The Holy Ghost\'s role with water and blood is also related to his witness and work in salvation in the spirit of the believer. Thus, we understand the witness of the born again believer\'s spirit corresponds to what the Spirit\'s work is.

Proper examining of context and comparing of verses shows the similarities and distinctions between &quot;spirit&quot; and &quot;Spirit&quot;, for example, between Joel 2:28, 29 and Acts 2:17, 18.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1862', '0dd987bac9', '', '1 John 5:8
It is the proper teaching that the three things listed in this verse reflect the persons in 1 John 5:7, “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” However, it is said by some that the things in verse eight are the same as the persons in 1 John 5:7: the Father is the blood, “the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” (Acts 20:28b); that the Word (or Son) is the water, “Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.” (Mark 1:9b); and the Spirit (the Holy Ghost), they say, is the “Spirit”, which they quote according to the Oxford way. Only the Oxford Edition uses its marginal notes to have the reader refer to verse 6 for interpretation on their word “Spirit” capital, which they are making mean the Spirit of Truth, that is, the Holy Ghost. This line of interpretation is deviant because it does not take into account the role, nature or working of the Spirit of God in men.

Augustine of Hippo said, “If we wish to inquire about these things, what they signify, not absurdly does the Trinity suggest Itself, who is the one, only, true, and highest God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, concerning whom it could most truly be said, Three are Witnesses, and the Three are One. By the word spirit we consider God the Father to be signified, concerning the worship of whom the Lord spoke, when He said, God is a spirit. By the word blood the Son is signified, because the Word was made flesh. And by the water we understand the Holy Spirit. For when Jesus spoke concerning the water which He was about to give the thirsty, the evangelist says, This He spake concerning the Spirit whom those that believed in Him would receive.”  Thus he recognised that the spirit did not refer identically to the Holy Ghost of the preceding verse, but to the Father.

The Holy Ghost operates in subjection to the Father in this particular regard, though the Holy Ghost be co-equal and co-eternal, there is a voluntary submission here, namely, “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.” (John 16:13). The “spirit” is by the “Spirit” but is not the Holy Ghost alone. Adam Clarke wrote concerning the spirit, that it is “in the word confirmed by miracles ... By the written word, which proceeded from the Holy Spirit, that Spirit is continually witnessing upon earth, that God hath given unto us eternal life.”

The correct structure of 1 John 5:6–8 here is presented (as isolated from the rest of 1 John). The numbered order and connection between the persons and things.

1. A. EARTHLY MANIFESTATION INDEPENDENT
a. He (Jesus Christ) — person 1
b. that came by (that, not who, means Word made flesh) — separable things
	c. water — thing 1
	d. blood — thing 2

B. EARTHLY MANIFESTATION INTERDEPENDENT
a. Jesus Christ — person 1
b. (came) not by water only — things inseparable
	c. but by water — thing 1
	d. and blood — thing 2

2. C. UNIVERSAL WITNESS TO ALL ASPECTS SEPARATELY
a. it is the Spirit that bares witness (that, not who, means Spirit is title and attribute) — person 2

D. UNIVERSAL TRUTH OF WHOLE INSEPARABLE
a. the Spirit is truth (Spirit is the essence of all the nature of God) — person 2

3. E. HEAVENLY RECORD
a. the three that bare record in heaven — separable
	b. Father — person 3
	c. Word — person 1
	d. Holy Ghost — person 2
e. three are one — inseparable

F. EARTHLY WITNESS
a. the three that bare witness in earth — separable
	b. the spirit — thing 3
	c. the water — thing 1
	d. the blood — thing 2
e. three agree in one — inseparable

God the Father, denoted as person 3, is only mentioned once, and the spirit, denoted as thing 3, is only mentioned once. Thus, the proper interpretation is that the Father and the spirit are related: “shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?” (Hebrews 12:9b). “But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.” (John 4:23). “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God [i.e. the Father]” (Romans 8:16).

The Word connects to the water: “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5). “That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word” (Ephesians 5:26).

The Holy Ghost connects to the blood: “How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” (Hebrews 9:14). “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” (Acts 20:28).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1863', 'f04a2b9d47', 'The Protector, 16 January 2011', '[img:f04a2b9d47]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:f04a2b9d47]

[color=red:f04a2b9d47]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:f04a2b9d47]

WELCOME! [i:f04a2b9d47]The Protector[/i:f04a2b9d47] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:f04a2b9d47][color=darkblue:f04a2b9d47]EDITORIAL[/color:f04a2b9d47][/size:f04a2b9d47]

THE KJB WORDS “BUILT” AND “BUILDED”.

The King James Bible uses specific words with specific meanings. If we examine to the very detail, we find the meaning is exact, far more exact than what is found in modern versions (which constantly pervert the truth by their ignorance).

Recently, studies were done in the area of the difference between the words “built” and “builded”. Those people who love the King James Bible should see that these two words have differences. It is not strange that those who are against the King James Bible’s perfection would grasp for any excuse to attempt to explain why “builded” is not different to “built”.

“But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them” (2 Tim. 3:13, 14).

Here are their top arguments for why “builded” is supposedly the same as “built”.

1. The same original word in Hebrew and also in Greek is used.

The reality is that in English the same word can have different meanings, like “bow” as in a ribbon, or “bow” as in bending forward. Also, the same English word which may have the same meaning can be used differently, for example, “cut” is both a noun and a verb, and both present tense and past tense. The same idea applies to Hebrew and Greek. There are plenty examples of the same original word being translated differently in English.

2. The Oxford English Dictionary says that “builded” is the archaic and poetic form of “built”.

The reality is that while the OED is correct in normal usage, it is not describing Biblical English. Furthermore, if we put the OED (which dates circa 1900) above the Bible, then we would be guilty of putting a false confidence in man and his limited opinions.

3. A professor said that “builded” probably means the same as “built”, and the difference might just be for extra-syllable effect.

The reality is that while a professor may be intelligent, his suggested explanation can hardly be taken as infallible truth.

The solution is: “As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.” (Psalm 18:30). As we study the Scripture and follow the Spirit, we will see what the words mean in God’s Word.

The following contains an explanation of the difference between “built” and “builded”: http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=505

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“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:f04a2b9d47]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:f04a2b9d47]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1864', '2e0c3ee410', '', 'This brings us right back to:

1Jo 5:6 ¶ This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

Jesus Christ came by water and blood. In the flesh, when he was walking among us, he was baptized in water and then in blood when he died on the cross. 

And it is the &quot;Spirit&quot; that beareth witness of Jesus Christ coming by water and blood. 

Just as it is the &quot;Spirit&quot; that beareth record in Heaven. 

Verse 6, it is the &quot;Spirit&quot; that beareth witness of Jesus Christ coming by water and blood, while he was living in earth.

Verse 8, it is the &quot;Spirit&quot; or &quot;spirit&quot;, the water and the blood bearing witness in earth.

In other words, those in earth who come to Christ through the &quot;Spirit&quot; or &quot;spirit&quot; by following Christ\'s example through believer\'s baptism and through the blood by accepting the blood sacrifice that Christ made on the cross so that all those who believe, their sins can be washed away, are bearing witness in earth.

Whenever someone finds their self being persuaded to accept the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour, which of the witnesses in earth are doing the work there?

The &quot;Spirit&quot; or &quot;spirit&quot;, or the water, or the blood?

If in verse 6, it is the &quot;Spirit&quot; that beareth witness of Jesus Christ coming by water and blood, while he was living in earth, then in verse 8, it is the &quot;Spirit&quot; that beareth witness of those who follow Christ\'s example in earth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1865', '04324d2ba1', 'Question.', '[quote:04324d2ba1]in verse 8, it is the &quot;Spirit&quot; that beareth witness of those who follow Christ\'s example in earth.[/quote:04324d2ba1]
Are you saying you are disagreeing with the PCE in 1 John 5:8? Remember it is modernist updaters who have changed it from the received tradition of &quot;spirit&quot; to &quot;Spirit&quot;. Are you saying you agree with them?

&quot;God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.&quot; (John 4:24). This is the testimony of the spirit in the Earth today.

Here\'s an online PCE that has it right:
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV1&amp;byte=5357535');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1866', '548cddbd85', '', '[quote:548cddbd85=\"KJVSword\"]This brings us right back to:

1Jo 5:6 ¶ This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.[/quote:548cddbd85]

I notice that there is a paragraph mark there in your quote.

[quote:548cddbd85=\"KJVSword\"]Jesus Christ came by water and blood. In the flesh, when he was walking among us, he was baptized in water and then in blood when he died on the cross.[/quote:548cddbd85]

Coming by &quot;water&quot; is not necessarily talking about water baptism, but one or both of the following two:

1. Natural birth.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

2. Sancification.

Joh 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

[quote:548cddbd85=\"KJVSword\"]And it is the &quot;Spirit&quot; that beareth witness of Jesus Christ coming by water and blood.[/quote:548cddbd85]

That\'s the Holy Ghost bearing witness, but it does not explicitly say that the Holy Ghost is just bearing witness of the water and blood. Rather it shows us that the Spirit is bearing witness of all things to do with Christ. Notice that this verse is two sentences:

1Jo 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

[quote:548cddbd85=\"KJVSword\"]Just as it is the &quot;Spirit&quot; that beareth record in Heaven.[/quote:548cddbd85]

Yes, the Holy Ghost\'s record is in Heaven.

[quote:548cddbd85=\"KJVSword\"]Verse 6, it is the &quot;Spirit&quot; that beareth witness of Jesus Christ coming by water and blood, while he was living in earth.[/quote:548cddbd85]

First, the Holy Ghost is not merely pointing to Jesus past, but Jesus present,

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Also, the Spirit is not just bearing witness to the ministry of Jesus past, or the shedding of His blood past, but has the eternal ministration to believers:

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

[quote:548cddbd85=\"KJVSword\"]Verse 8, it is the &quot;Spirit&quot; or &quot;spirit&quot;, the water and the blood bearing witness in earth.[/quote:548cddbd85]

The witness is present or comprehended by the born again human spirit. It is not as if &quot;blood&quot; itself has power to witness, but that it is accounted to witness, that is, it has a legal (and biological) property attached to it of life.

[quote:548cddbd85=\"KJVSword\"]In other words, those in earth who come to Christ through the &quot;Spirit&quot; or &quot;spirit&quot; by following Christ\'s example through believer\'s baptism and through the blood by accepting the blood sacrifice that Christ made on the cross so that all those who believe, their sins can be washed away, are bearing witness in earth.[/quote:548cddbd85]

You have the Spirit when you are born again, because you are born of the Spirit. The believer\'s bapitism is into Christ (not water baptism). 

1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Ro 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Water baptism is an afterward symbol and display of what has happened spiritually.

So then, there are three things at work for the believer:
blood - the blood of Christ.
water - the washing of the Word.
spirit - the knowledge that we have been born of the Spirit.

[quote:548cddbd85=\"KJVSword\"]Whenever someone finds their self being persuaded to accept the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour, which of the witnesses in earth are doing the work there?[/quote:548cddbd85]

Obviously all things are by the Holy Ghost. He is a person. The things that He brings or does are:
1. the blood.
2. the water.
3. right spirit.

[quote:548cddbd85=\"KJVSword\"]The &quot;Spirit&quot; or &quot;spirit&quot;, or the water, or the blood?[/quote:548cddbd85]

You are confusing &quot;Spirit&quot; and &quot;spirit&quot;. They are two separate (though related) things. Note the following verse:

1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

[quote:548cddbd85=\"KJVSword\"]If in verse 6, it is the &quot;Spirit&quot; that beareth witness of Jesus Christ coming by water and blood, while he was living in earth, then in verse 8, it is the &quot;Spirit&quot; that beareth witness of those who follow Christ\'s example in earth.[/quote:548cddbd85]

The Holy Ghost bears witness WITH our spirit:

Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God

* * * * *

1Jo 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. 
1Jo 5:9 If [b:548cddbd85]we receive[/b:548cddbd85] the witness of men, [b:548cddbd85]the witness of God[/b:548cddbd85] is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

We perceive this witness from the Holy Ghost in OUR spirit, thus, “spirit” is correct at 1 John 5:8. This is the proper context.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1867', 'a4cfbd60e8', '', 'I\'ve heard it said that the other versions will always be 70-80% similar to the KJV.  
There are 3 reasons for this (I believe, there might be others):

1) Copyright laws require a certain amount of change to isolate it as a separate work (and thereby turn a profit for the publishers)

2) There are only so many replacement words which can be created from the text that it will undoubtedly match much of the wording of the King James (except in areas where verses are removed of course)

3) &quot;Fundamentalists&quot;/&quot;Conservatives&quot; who don\'t read the Bible are less offended by minor changes to popular verses... since they will never notice the major changes made in other parts of scriptures when they don\'t read the Bible regularly anyways.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1868', '7fed743b9a', '', '[quote:7fed743b9a=\"alexh\"]

3) &quot;Fundamentalists&quot;/&quot;Conservatives&quot; who don\'t read the Bible are less offended by minor changes to popular verses... since they will never notice the major changes made in other parts of scriptures when they don\'t read the Bible regularly anyways.[/quote:7fed743b9a]

Sadly, tis true.  Most Christians today do not read these modern sounding watered down bible versions much at all.  Biblical ignorance is at an all time high.  I think it may be due in part to the fact that they taste like cardboard rather than the sweet honey of God\'s pure words as found in the King James Bible.

Will K');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1869', 'ff64b0ab4d', 'The LORD smelled &quot;a sweet savour&quot; -- alleged KJB e', 'The LORD smelled A SWEET SAVOUR

 In Genesis 8:20 through 21 we read of a phrase that is often found in the King James Bible - a sweet savour.
 
&quot;And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered  burnt offerings on the altar.  And the LORD smelled A SWEET SAVOUR; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man\'s sake; for the imagination of man\'s heart is evil from his youth...&quot;
 
At one of the Bible discussion clubs a Bible critic said the phrase &quot;sweet savour&quot; in the King James Bible, such as is found in Genesis 8:21, Leviticus 6:21, 8:28 and many other places, is wrong because it appeals to the sense of taste rather than smell.   He said the phrase should be &quot;a soothing aroma&quot; as is found in versions like the NKJV, NASB, Holman and NIV.
 
Is there any merit to what this &quot;Bible scholar&quot; says or is he just another pompous gas bag who reveals his ignorance and unbelief by such silly statements?  I guess you can already tell what my conclusion is.
 
First of all, this guy needs to learn his own ENGLISH language.  Any schoolboy can get an English dictionary and look up the word SAVOUR, or savor.   Webster\'s Dictionary defines savor as &quot;a particular TASTE or SMELL&quot;, and &quot;the quality in a substance that affects the sense of TASTE OR SMELL.&quot;
 
The American Heritage Dictionary defines &quot;savor&quot; as &quot;The taste OR SMELL of something.&quot;
 
The Cambridge Dictionary of the English language defines savor as: &quot;A SMELL or taste, especially a pleasant one.&quot;
 
It is amazing how a little study of the English language can clear things up for those who have been dumbed down by the modern American education system.
 
Secondly, not only does the King James Bible render this word as &quot;sweet SAVOUR&quot; in Genesis 8:21 and the other passages but so also do the following Bible versions: Tyndale 1534 (he translated Genesis before his death), Coverdale 1535, The Great Bible 1540, Matthew\'s Bible (John Rogers) 1549, Bishops\' Bible 1568, the Lesser Bible 1853, the Revised Version 1881, American Standard Version 1901, the Jewish translations of 1917, 1936, Webster\'s 1833, Douay 1950, Lamsa\'s 1933 translation of the Syriac Peshitta, World English Bible, Hebrew Names Version, KJV 21st Century Version, and the Third Millenium Bible.
 
 Thirdly, a very important connection is lost in the modern versions when they refer to the Old Testament sacrifices like that in Genesis 8:21 as a &quot;pleasing aroma&quot; (NIV) or &quot;a soothing aroma&quot; (NKJV, NASB) instead of a &quot;sweet savour&quot;, and how they all point to Christ as the ultimate sacrifice.
 
In Ephesians 5:2 in the King James Bible we read: &quot;And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for A SWEETSMELLING SAVOUR.&quot;  The King James Bible consistently refers to the O.T. sacrifices as God SMELLING a &quot;sweet savour&quot; and to Christ as their ultimate fulfillment as a &quot;sweetsmelling SAVOUR&quot;.
 
&quot;SWEETSMELLING SAVOUR&quot; is also found in Ephesians 5:2 in the following Bible translations: Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, Bishops\' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1599, Wesley\'s translation 1755,  Webster\'s translation 1833, Darby 1870, the KJV 21st Century 1994 and the Third Millenium Bible 1998.
 
But this connection between the Old Testament sacrifices and the sacrifice of Christ both being &quot;a sweet smelling savour&quot; is obscured in most modern versions.
 
The NKJV has &quot;a soothing aroma&quot; in Genesis 8:21 but Christ as &quot;a sweet smelling aroma&quot; in Ephesians 5:2.
 
The NASB has &quot;a soothing aroma&quot; in Genesis 8:21 but Christ as &quot;a fragrant aroma&quot; in Ephesians 5:2.
 
The NIV and Holman Standard have &quot;a pleasing aroma&quot; in Genesis 8:21 but Christ as &quot;a fragrant offering&quot; in Ephesians.

The King James Bible is right as always, and this Bible critic would do much better to learn his own English language first rather than running around posting his nonsense.
 
Here is a list that compares two verses, one from the O.T. and one from the New Testament and shows how the various versions translate this phrase.
 
Sweet Savour
 
Genesis 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man\'s sake; for the imagination of man\'s heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. 

Wycliffe’s translation 1395 - And the Lord sauerede the odour of swetnesse
Coverdale 1535 - And ye LORDE smelled the swete sauor
The Great Bible (Cranmer) 1540 - And the Lorde smelled a swete  sauoure.
Matthew’s Bible 1549 - And the Lorde smelled a swete sauour,
Bishops’ Bible 1568 - And the Lorde smelled a sweete sauour
Geneva Bible 1587 - And the Lord smelled a sauour of rest
Webster’s 1833 translation - And the LORD smelled a sweet savor
Revised English Version 1885 - And the LORD smelled the sweet savour
ASV 1901- And Jehovah smelled the sweet savor
JPS (Jewish Publication Society) 1917 - And the LORD smelled the sweet savour
Hebrew Publishing  Company 1936 translation - And the LORD smelled a sweet savour
The Douay-Rheims - And the Lord smelled a sweet savour
Lamsa’s 1936 translation of the Syriac - And the LORD smelled the sweet savour
KJV 21st Century Version 1994, Third Millenium Bible 1998 - And the LORD smelled a sweet savor
Updated Bible Version 2004 - And Yahweh smelled the sweet savor
 
*************************************************************

NASB - The LORD smelled  the soothing aroma
NIV - The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma 
Holman Standard - When the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma
ESV - And when the Lord smelled the pleasing aroma
NKJV - And the LORD smelled a soothing aroma.

2 Corinthians 2:15 - For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: 

Tyndale 1525 - For we are vnto God the swete savoure of Christ
Coverdale 1535 - For we are vnto God the good sauoure of Christ,
Bishops’ bible 1568 - For we are vnto God the sweete sauour of Christe
Geneva Bible 1587 - For wee are vnto God the sweete sauour of Christ
English  Revised Version 1885 - For we are a sweet savour of Christ unto God
ASV 1901 - For we are a sweet savor of Christ unto God
Webster’s 1833 - For we are to God a sweet savor of Christ
Lamsa’s translation 1936 -For we are a sweet savour to God through Christ
KJV 21st Century Version 1994, Third Millenium Bible 1998 - For we are unto God a sweet savor of Christ
Updated Bible Version 2004 - For we are a sweet savor of Christ to God
 
*************************************************************
 
NASB - For we are a fragrance of Christ to God 
NIV - For we are to God the aroma of Christ
Holman Standard - For to God we are the fragrance of Christ
ESV - For we are the aroma of Christ to God
NKJV - For we are to God the fragrance of Christ 
Douay-Rheims - For we are the good odour of Christ unto God

Will Kinney  
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1870', 'cdfb1edbc2', 'Public response to Kevin Bauder', 'Kevin Bauder has recently put about the internet that &quot;Matthew Verschuur of Australia has gone so far as to insist that only the \'Pure Cambridge Edition\' of the King James Version is to be accepted as the true Word of God.&quot; Source: http://www.sharperiron.org/article/four-hundred-years

What\'s wrong with this is that:

1. I clearly say that the Word of God has been available in many languages and places,

2. I clearly say that the KJB is the Word of God,

3. I have never limited the Word of God to just the PCE.

It would be accurate to say that I promote that the Pure Cambridge Edition should be the standard form of the English Bible as the Word of God for the world.

There\'s a pretty big difference between what I have said and what Bauder claims I say (though he has generated hits for www.bibleprotector.com !)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1871', '978b11141f', 'Re: Public response to Kevin Bauder', '[quote:978b11141f=\"bibleprotector\"]
2. I clearly say that the KJB is the Word of God,
3. I have never limited the Word of God to just the PCE.
It would be accurate to say that I promote that the Pure Cambridge Edition should be the standard form of the English Bible as the Word of God for the world.[/quote:978b11141f]

I\'m glad to read that; I was starting to second guess myself.  It was not until after I registered that I noticed this site promoted PCE as a separate edition.
I didn\'t see a problem with the Cambridge concord 8vo edition I use; I was then concerned that all quotes on this site should be from PCE.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1872', '8c56bd51b0', 'Perfection.', '[quote:8c56bd51b0]I didn\'t see a problem with the Cambridge concord 8vo edition I use[/quote:8c56bd51b0]
Only that the Concord is not the best presentation (edition) of the KJB. Why wouldn\'t you see this as a problem? Compare 1 John 5:8 for example.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1873', '424b1c3c6f', 'The Protector, 23 January 2011', '[img:424b1c3c6f]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:424b1c3c6f]

[color=red:424b1c3c6f]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:424b1c3c6f]

WELCOME! [i:424b1c3c6f]The Protector[/i:424b1c3c6f] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

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CHRISTIAN RESPONSIBILITY

The Bible says, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge” (Hos. 4:6). The lack of knowledge is mainly “because thou hast rejected knowledge” (Hos. 4:6).

Many Christian people seem to have made decisions against acting on the Word of God. The Bible says, “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” (James 1:22).

Being a doer means that there is responsibility of every believer. Jesus said, “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations” (Matthew 28:19). Very often there is an idea that God will do the preaching for us, or that other people will do things for the Kingdom of God. No, the Bible is telling us to be doers. We cannot pretend to be ignorant about it, or ignore it.

Notice the teaching of Scripture is that believers are to be active in their Christian service: “For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.” (Acts 13:47).

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“King James Bible Only and Pentecostalism” booklet.
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“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:424b1c3c6f]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:424b1c3c6f]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
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Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
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Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1874', '7c5d93fa74', 'Comparing PCE, Concord, Cameo', 'I currently have in possession:
Cambridge Cameo 16 mo refs Wide-Margin Edition; Typeset in 8pt Petit Medieval Claredon 1159; Printed in UK
Cambridge Concord 8vo Wide-Margin Edition; Printed in the Netherlands; 
Cannot find any date on either Bible.
 
I compared both with http://www.bibleprotector.com/editions.htm
I entered corrections in margins of Concord; and made notes in regards to inquire, rasor, Geba, and Counseller.
Cameo had only one correction to make; 1John 5:8
I had used the Cameo; some of the print was faded, the wide margins were to one side of page.
I read that Concord had the correct spelling; so I ordered the Concord.  I found the text easier to read, and user friendly margins.
Up to that point, I knew nothing about PCE; until I registered on your site.  I have been reading the articles and applying the changes.
Understand, I can be easily swayed one way or other; ie. I bought Concord because someone said ....
Now, I am making marginal changes because someone said ....
So, I\'m taking this in prayer, and asking the Lord to open my eyes to the truth.

Thank you');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1875', '6253529ac3', '', 'If you have any questions about it these things, just ask.

&quot;[b:6253529ac3]My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge[/b:6253529ac3]: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.&quot; (Hos. 4:6).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1876', '9eef22b2e3', '', '[quote:9eef22b2e3=\"bibleprotector\"]If you have any questions about it these things, just ask.[/quote:9eef22b2e3]
I noticed a typo in my OP; was 1John 4:8 changed it to 1John 5:8
Downloaded http://www.bibleprotector.com/glistering_truths.pdf
It answered some of my questions; especially ensample and example...

Aside from identifying 2nd and 3rd person; do the suffixes -est and -eth indicate verb mood?

Thanks');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1877', '418914f99a', '', 'Not verb mood.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1878', '1135ac5730', 'Typo in PDF document?', 'http://www.bibleprotector.com/THERE_IS_ONLY_ONE_PURE_KING_JAMES_BIBLE.pdf

\' “ours” at Matthew 12:7 and so on.\'
Should it read Mark 12:7 ?

Anyway, out of my 20+ KJBs, I found one that is a PCE.
William Collins Sons and Company Limited dated 1957.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1879', '1fbd44dc3a', '', 'I made a few minor adjustments in the document.

It is good that you have a PCE.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1880', '752e0e16e3', 'The Protector, 30 January 2011', '[img:752e0e16e3]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:752e0e16e3]

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The bringing of the King James Bible to the world and to the Jews is literally a present. It is very valuable, and according to prophecy, is to be brought forth, including for the purpose of vindicating God’s name JEHOVAH (see Isaiah 18:10, Zephaniah 3:10 and all Ezekiel 39).

The Scripture says, “For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.” (Zephaniah 3:9).

This is not to say that English itself is a pure language, but that the English of the King James Bible is pure. This does not mean that people are to use King James Bible English, but that people are to become prepared for it, and have a familiarity to it.

The Almighty God has been well able to not only transmit His Word through time, or to prepare English, but to have His Word turned into English properly, that is, in a perfect translation.

Even though English is the world’s favourite language, there are those who doubt that God can use the King James Bible for world evangelism. This is because they see the King James Bible as dark, hard, a stumblingstone, a rock of offence and even a false idol.

The Scripture itself does contain dark sayings, and since the King James Bible is fully the Scripture, then it follows that the King James Bible will have things hidden in it. This is exactly why believers are commanded to search and study God’s Word, to get wisdom, and to understand it. Since the King James Bible not only is God’s Word, but his providentially appointed Word for the world, it follows that the Holy Ghost not only is able to help in this matter, but is entirely willing.

Again, the Scripture has hard sayings. This is nothing to do with the supposed difficulties of the King James Bible (which does contain some unusual words), but that the Scripture is stark against those who have some sort of carnal thinking. God is wanting people to be educated properly by His unction and come up to His appointed level rather than bringing the Scripture down to the base level by the prevalent false education in most Christian institutions.

The King James Bible is accused of being a stumblingstone to seekers, as though it will discourage evangelism so much, that some other easier words should be used to appeal better to the lost. This doctrine is misguided, for it puts a devil in the way of God’s high truth, in that it asserts that salvation is not of faith, but works, and denies that the King James Bible has been God’s strongest means for sturdy conversion in the Anglo-Protestant era.

There is also great offence at the King James Bible by certain professing Christians, which exhibits itself in the Bible Version debate. They have turned to attacking the King James Bible under the pretext of trying to show King James Bible advocates as “unlearned” and/or “inconsistent”. The source for the strong contentions is spiritual, “Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.” (Psalm 119:165).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1881', '1d1af2fed2', '', '[quote:1d1af2fed2=\"FollowsTheWay\"]I have installed two electronic versions (both free):

1. e-Sword--has a PCE module available at its website

2. TheWord--I converted the e-Sword PCE module to work in TheWord

The PCE module for TheWord should be available here:

http://www.4shared.com/file/bzgw-Kkj/King_James_Bible_Pure_Cambridg.html

-----&gt; FYI: I find myself using TheWord software almost exclusively now.[/quote:1d1af2fed2]

I got PCE setup on TheWord; thanks!

However, there\'s no listing for PCE in the download menu of e-sword; I\'m still waiting for registration confirmation on their forum.
I followed instructions in http://av1611.com/forums/showthread.php?t=838 ;
but I only get error message for PCE.bbl when running program.
The advantage of e-sword is copying verses inluding book/chapter/verse#; TheWord only displays verse#.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1882', '37ade1aeba', '', 'This is the link to the eSword PCE download for eSword version 9 (there is a separate download if you\'re using eSword version 8):

http://e-sword-users.org/users/node/2116

It is 2.1 megabytes in size and is an EXE installation file: PCE_KJV_9x.exe

The eSword users site can be very difficult to get into sometimes. They are probably very busy. Thankfully, if you can just get in one time and go to the above link you\'ll be able to download the PCE module. Get any other modules you need to while logged in!

Hope this helps....Pete');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1883', 'fabaf8bf4c', 'Typo in editions.htm?', 'www.bibleprotector.com/editions.htm

1 Samuel 17:56 L, O, OE, CC ; enquire ; inquire ; enquire ... should it be Inquire?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1884', '894720df72', '', 'With a capital &quot;I&quot; you mean, rather than lowercase? The reason for it to be that way in the list is that it is just uniform with the rest of the list.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1885', 'c866a20a23', '', '[quote:c866a20a23=\"bibleprotector\"]With a capital &quot;I&quot; you mean, rather than lowercase?[/quote:c866a20a23]

Yes; with capital I');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1886', '85ba195f90', 'GRD\'s Testimony', 'I was brought up RCC by my parents; taught by priests and nuns up to grade 12; altar boy.  Everything an RC would wish for; live for the devil and hope to die right after confession. In my 30\'s, I was challenged about my RCC beliefs.
I undertook to prove that the RC was the true way to salvation; I had in my possession the RC doctrines and their bible.  Overtime, God opened my eyes to the contradictions between the two; I approached the local priest, but he wouldn\'t deal with it.
Finally, God led me to a place where I had to choose between the RC jesus or Biblical Jesus; I cried out to the Real Jesus of the Bible.  I was re-baptized in a lake, repenting of my former vain beliefs and placing my trust in the Lord Jesus Christ.
I assumed all Bibles were the same.  I had French Bibles: Martin, Ostervald, Francais Courant, Darby and a few English Bibles: KJB, RSV, New Life Testament, New Living Translation.
I noticed that the verses were different, were missing, were different, and numbered differently in some places. So, I started to research on the internet; I became familiar with terms like TR, Massoretic, Alexandria, LXX, and finally came to the conclusion that God has preserved His word in the KJB.
I assumed all KJBs were the same.  I bought some and picked up more at garage sales, 2nd Hand, and one in a recycle bin.  Then I noticed that there were differences between KJBs; I didn\'t like the Americanized spelling, there is a difference between throughly and thoroughly.  So, I did more searching on the internet and found that Cambridge Concord was the most accurate; so I bought some.
Overtime, I come across this site and find that PCE is the standard for presentation.  I understand preservation of words, since faith comes by hearing God\'s word; but grammar and spellcheck?  I\'ve made assumptions all my life, and the Lord has revealed the truth along the way.  So, I\'m open to the PCE and continue to read articles on the site; still wondering about some things.
a) Is Scrivener, Norton, Redpath detrimental or helpful to PCE; 
b) Why would spelling of PCE be sometimes the same as 1611, and other times not the same.
Genesis 23:8 intreat (PCE); entreat (1611)
Genesis 25:21 intreated (1611); intreated (1611)
c) Why would grammar be different from all editions?
Romans 4:18 nations, according / nations; according (PCE) / nations: according (1611)

I think over time, things will get straightened out; but, in the meantime I\'ll continue the search.  At this point, I downloaded PCE for e-sword and The Word, and obtained two copies 1956, 1957 of Collins that match PCE.

Thanks');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1887', 'f3334e7768', '', '[quote:f3334e7768=\"FollowsTheWay\"]This is the link to the eSword PCE download for eSword version 9 (there is a separate download if you\'re using eSword version 8):

http://e-sword-users.org/users/node/2116

It is 2.1 megabytes in size and is an EXE installation file: PCE_KJV_9x.exe

Hope this helps....Pete[/quote:f3334e7768]

Finally, registration cleared; got PCE on both e-Sword and TheWord.

Thanks');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1890', '3f1e313acd', '', '[quote:3f1e313acd]a) Is Scrivener, Norton, Redpath detrimental or helpful to PCE;[/quote:3f1e313acd]

The information that Scrivener gave, and what Norton gives, is often time just data: however, where their interpretations interfere with their view on the KJB editions, there is a problem. They may be characterised as against the KJB for making their own wayward editions.
 
[quote:3f1e313acd]b) Why would spelling of PCE be sometimes the same as 1611, and other times not the same. 
Genesis 23:8 intreat (PCE); entreat (1611) 
Genesis 25:21 intreated (1611); intreated (1611)[/quote:3f1e313acd]

Because printers made mistakes in 1611, and because spelling was not standardised, which means that while the meaning was what we understand today, they were using another spelling, which appears as a different word.
 
[quote:3f1e313acd]c) Why would grammar be different from all editions? 
Romans 4:18 nations, according / nations; according (PCE) / nations: according (1611) [/quote:3f1e313acd]

There is a lot of punctuation editing which has taken place since 1611. Especially in 1769. Sometimes the Oxford is different to the Cambridge today, but they are very similar over all.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1889', 'a7ac05b195', 'What is a King James Bible person?', 'http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20

[quote:a7ac05b195]CLASS FOUR: KING JAMES BIBLE EXTREMIST (HERETICS)
Other languages: Since the KJB is necessary for salvation, it is the Word for the world.[/quote:a7ac05b195]
I was saved while using an RCC Bible; therefore, extremist cannot be correct.

[quote:a7ac05b195]CLASS THREE: KING JAMES BIBLE PURIST (ENGLISH PRESERVATIONIST)[/quote:a7ac05b195] 
God has preserved His word in the KJB; therefore, purist must be correct.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1891', '541355d79a', '', 'Thanks; I\'m going through the articles and picking up more info.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1892', '08f009eb67', 'Re: Collins KJB - typo at Matt 25:29', '[quote:08f009eb67=\"Harley\"]Hello everyone, If any of you own Collins would you be willing to check to see if this same typo exists and report back your finding along with the ISBN numbers?
Thanks in advance,
Harley[/quote:08f009eb67]

I have a 1957 Collins printed in GB; no ISBN#; it has \'every\'; older the better?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1893', '766cc2499c', 'Re: KJB', '[quote:766cc2499c=\"KJBman777\"]You are right. We use the term &quot;KJB&quot; because it is THE Bible to use. Of course, the term &quot;KJV&quot; can mean THE only right version. However, the modernists tend to interpret this as being one version out of many applicable ones. Anti-KJB forums often resist strongly the use of KJB for these reasons.[/quote:766cc2499c]

NASB should be called NASV, since it is not the bible to use, but a version amongst many other competitors.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1894', 'ac5b0147cf', '', 'not too old. Wm Collins prior to 1900 are likely not PCE.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1895', '54690edce2', 'Re: Perfection.', '[quote:54690edce2=\"KJBman777\"]Why wouldn\'t you see this as a problem? Compare 1 John 5:8 for example.[/quote:54690edce2]

Patience, at this point in time I am in ignorance; I\'m going through the articles to sort all this out.  God will eventually deal with me. :-)
1Tim 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
1Tim 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1896', 'acd0feebff', 'Re: Bearing Precious Seed', '[quote:acd0feebff=\"PeterAV\"]Does anyone here have any King James Bibles from Bearing Precious Seed?[/quote:acd0feebff]

I noticed you\'re from Kamloops, BC; I live in Northern Saskatchewan.
Are you aware of any place in your province that sells PCE\'s; I\'d like to contact them.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1897', '670d7b854b', 'Redpath, Table of signs', 'I have a 1956 Collins with Fontana type, Decimo-sexto size, with H.A. Redpath M.A Table of signs:
typos: Gen 46:12 Zarah; Ps 107:27 wit\'s ; conforms to the 12 points 
I have a 1957 Collins with Iona Clear Type Octavo size, with H.A. Redpath M.A Table of signs:
typos: none

Questions: 
01. Does H.A. Redpath M.A Table of signs included in a bible guarantee a PCE to conform to the 12 points, but not necessarily to the complete list of presentation errors?
02. Must a PCE, conforming to the 12 points, have included the H.A. Redpath M.A Table of signs?
03. Is 1957 Collins more pure than 1956 Collins?

[quote:670d7b854b]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=149
As for H. A. Redpath’s role, while there is an absence of any actual historical statements about his work on the King James Bible, his name appears in Collins printed Pure Cambridge Editions with the pronunciation table. That is the same table and same text of Cambridge printed Bibles. This indicates that Redpath was responsible for making the Pure Cambridge Edition, especially because most of the differences between the Pure Cambridge Edition and the old Cambridge Edition are on words with the pronunciation symbols on them. [/quote:670d7b854b]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1898', 'e13a5ea487', '', 'I\'m definately class 3 (Purist), however:

[quote:e13a5ea487]The KJB translation: Fully perfect, equivalent to the originals in English. [/quote:e13a5ea487]

I\'ve seen in many cases where the KJB is superior, because there is cross-references and nuggets which cannot be found in any of the surviving manuscripts - only the KJB.  I don\'t believe this should make me a heretic.  
It logically follows to say that, if the Bible is being purified, it CANNOT be equal to the originals.  It must be improving and thus God has improved it in the English.  The English has thousands of more words to use as compared to Koine Greek, therefore it stands to reason that God allowed this to happen at this point in time to allow the proclamation of the Gospel and a final inerrant Bible for the approaching 2nd Advent.
I do, however, consider it heresy to say you can only get saved out of a KJB.  I\'ve seen churches teaching that, which have missions programs to non-english speaking countries.  Hypocritical!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1899', 'b1aebf563d', 'OnlineBible quote', 'Found article from OnlineBible DOS version in regards to Concord; is there an article that can address this?  I\'d like to know how their reasoning is faulty.  Still searching; thanks...

====================================
 Notes on the 1769 AV Version.
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Version 6.0 has the exact 1769 Authorised Version (AV) text.
 Sharpe Electronics in Japan spent a great deal of money to prove
 otherwise and failed. They found no errors.  We have found that AV
 Bibles published by the University Printing House in Cambridge,
 England, are much more accurate than those published elsewhere. Only
 the Cambridge Bible with &quot;Concord 8vo Bold-figure refs.&quot; in the
 lower left hand corner of the title page, has the exact 1769 text.
 If you think you have found an error, check this Cambridge AV Bible.
 The next most accurate AV Bible has over one hundred errors.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1900', '5ea7fb862f', 'Faulty', '[quote:5ea7fb862f]I\'d like to know how their reasoning is faulty.[/quote:5ea7fb862f]
They do not recognise the godly tradition of a line of received KJB edition texts, the 7th of which is the PCE. For more details, look at
http://www.bibleprotector.com/God\'s_chosen_edition_of_the_King_James_Bible.pdf');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1901', '929b945b24', '', 'I also have (and use) a Fontana and an Iona Collins. My Fontana has centre references, my Iona does not.

[quote:929b945b24]01. Does H.A. Redpath M.A Table of signs included in a bible guarantee a PCE to conform to the 12 points, but not necessarily to the complete list of presentation errors?[/quote:929b945b24]

The Redpath table does not guarantee anything.

As long as an edition matches with the 12 points, it is &quot;PCE&quot;, regardless of some of the other places, and regardless of unknown accidental errors like a missing full stop.

[quote:929b945b24]02. Must a PCE, conforming to the 12 points, have included the H.A. Redpath M.A Table of signs?[/quote:929b945b24]

No.

[quote:929b945b24]03. Is 1957 Collins more pure than 1956 Collins? [/quote:929b945b24]

If purity means the quality of Scripture, no.

If purity means the version text set of readings, no.

If purity means the translation, no.

If purity means the edition, no.

If you want consult a standard copy that is exemplar and precise to the very jot and tittle, then you have to rely on the digital electronic form. For Christian devotional and Church use, there is no problem with using any printed edition which is &quot;PCE&quot;. (After all, it has not been an actual problem for people to be using editions which were not PCE in the past).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1902', '1474edccba', 'Re: OnlineBible quote', '[quote:1474edccba=\"GRD\"]Found article from OnlineBible DOS version in regards to Concord; is there an article that can address this?  I\'d like to know how their reasoning is faulty.  Still searching; thanks...

====================================
 Notes on the 1769 AV Version.
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Version 6.0 has the exact 1769 Authorised Version (AV) text.
 Sharpe Electronics in Japan spent a great deal of money to prove
 otherwise and failed. They found no errors.  We have found that AV
 Bibles published by the University Printing House in Cambridge,
 England, are much more accurate than those published elsewhere. Only
 the Cambridge Bible with &quot;Concord 8vo Bold-figure refs.&quot; in the
 lower left hand corner of the title page, has the exact 1769 text.
 If you think you have found an error, check this Cambridge AV Bible.
 The next most accurate AV Bible has over one hundred errors.[/quote:1474edccba]

I address this in detail in the 5th draft of my book. There is a whole section dealing with it.

Needless to say, that online Bible had mistakes in it, was not 1769, and was made based on the Concord Edition, not PCE.

Here\'s a quote:
* * * * * * * *

In the late 1980s, Canadian Larry Pierce (bosom friend of anti-King James Bible creation scientist, Dr Jonathon Safarti), provided what he claimed was the Cambridge 1769 Edition through his Online Bible software. The additional notations in his software provided information on his work. Pierce (who has the dubious reputation for making personal editorial changes to documents he provides, most notably in his notorious modernisation of Ussher’s Annals), collated the “Adam’s missing comma” PCE with another electronic text, perhaps “obtained from Public Brand Software, Larry Pierce and his volunteer associates at Woodside Fellowship and elsewhere painstakingly corrected the available KJV MRT [machine readable text] to match exactly the British 1769 Blayney Edition of the KJV Authorized Version as printed by Cambridge University Press”. Of course, their correction was nothing short of changing the PCE to the Concord Edition, which had nothing to do with “1769” or “Blayney”. The master they conformed to was “the Cambridge AV Bible with Concord 8vo Bold-Figure refs in lower left corner of title page”.

In another twist (after claiming to be presenting Blayney’s text accurately), Pierce stated, “This Cambridge AV edition is claimed to be the most accurate standard, with the next most accurate AV Bible having over 100 printing errors. Sharp Electronics of Japan has verified that the electronic version is indeed exactly the same as the printed Cambridge 1769 Blayney edition.” In short, the process of correcting errata was also with the mistaken notion of conforming to the Concord rather than the PCE. Pierce then upheld this view by appealing to a Japanese corporation!

Pierce claimed, “Sharpe [sic] Electronics in Japan spent a great deal of money to prove otherwise and failed. They found no errors. We have found that AV Bibles published by the University Printing House in Cambridge, England, are much more accurate than those published elsewhere. Only the Cambridge Bible with ‘Concord 8vo Bold-figure refs.’ in the lower left hand corner of the title page, has the exact 1769 text.” Of course, this was and is not the exact 1769 text.

But Pierce went even further, saying, “If you think you have found an error, check this Cambridge AV Bible. The next most accurate AV Bible has over one hundred errors.” (He also said concerning his works with Strong’s numbers, “Find an error and win $10 for each error.”)

He goes on, “The following is extracted from a letter (dated June 28, 1990) sent to the Trinitarian Bible Society ... by Ted Welmen, Terra Pacific Writing Corporation ...  Sharp Electronics of Japan, hired Terra Pacific to verify that the Bible text used by the Online Bible was accurate. It was.

“The result of our quest for Sharpe [sic], is a report from us that there are no errors in the electronic text (Online Bible), provided the correct Bible (‘Concord 8vo Bold-figures [sic] refs.’ printed on the title page) is referenced. We are assuming this Bible to be THE Bible.”

This, of course, was a false assumption. Given that some peculiar errors could indeed be found in Pierce’s work, though it was, it has to be admitted, for its time, quite typographically accurate if faithfulness to its original source (the Concord Edition) was counted.

Some errors did exist in the work, even when comparing to their own standard edition text type:

The word “sith” in Ezekiel 35:6 somehow read “since”, though this has not been explained. Moreover, numerous word-processing errors existed with apostrophes facing the wrong direction. However, when it came to italics, there were definite problems.

Online Bible places omitting italics: 

Exodus 38:28 “shekels”
Numbers 18:7 “as” after “unto you”
Numbers 30:3 “herself”
Numbers 31:29 “it” of “it unto”
Numbers 33:53 “of”
Deuteronomy 28:23 “is” of “is under thee”
1 Samuel 17:58 “I”
2 Samuel 18:29 “Is” (with Oxford Edition)
2 Samuel 18:32 “Is” of “Is the”
2 Kings 14:28 “are”
Esther 3:13 “is” in “which is the month”
Job 3:6 “As”
Psalm 125:2 “As”
Isaiah 31:5 “it” of “preserve it”
Isaiah 41:17 “I” of “I the God”
Ezekiel 45:7 “a”
Nahum 1:3 “hath” 
Zechariah 9:16 “they”
1 Corinthians 10:20 “I” of “I say” 

Places wrongly adding italics:

1 Kings 6:10 “with”
1 Chronicles 2:42 “was”
Psalm 62:8 “ye”
Psalm 124:1, 2 “not” (twice)
Psalm 125:4 “to”
Song of Sol. 8:6 “a” of “a most”
Song of Sol. 8:7 “a” of “a man”
Jeremiah 35:6 “ye” of “neither ye”
Revelation 1:18 the first “I”

Aware of some differences between Cambridge Editions, the Online Bible notation stated, “The following list the discrepancies between two Bibles published by Cambridge Press, the Concord 8v0 and the Pitt Minion Bibles. The discrepancies are minor, mostly punctuation and minor spelling problems.” And problems indeed were “inquire versus enquire”, and so on, Pierce again mistakenly says, “For example, at the end of Jer. 32:5, there is a question mark in the Pitt Minion Bible, but a period in the Concord 8v0. In this case, although it is an obvious error in the Pitt Minion Bible, the meaning is impacted.”

Indeed meaning was impacted, but Pierce had made the terrible decision of upholding the Concord. In fact, it is obvious that the PCE rendering is correct once Jeremiah 32 is read in context, because a question is began in Jeremiah 32:3, asking “Wherefore...” which requires the question mark at the end of verse five, which Pierce claims is “an error”. In fact, the Pitt Minion (a PCE) was correct, and Pierce can go down on the record as deliberately going against it.

Later, websites and other software would take Larry Pierce’s text. All those who used his text would obviously be bewrayed by their conformity to his typographical errors listed above. Pierce blustered in the days of MS-DOS that those who took “his” text were “thieves”.

Apparently, he had styled himself as a defender of the “owner” of the text. This was because Cambridge in the United Kingdom had the right to print the King James Bible, and since Pierce had the permission to distribute “his” text (as a quasi-vassal of Cambridge) in Britain via his software without paying royalties to the Crown, he sought to prohibit others from doing the same. Cambridge apparently gave this special permission to Pierce because they, at CUP, were impressed with “his” text, that is to say, its fidelity.

D. A. Waite’s Defined King James Version appears to be made from Pierce’s text.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1903', 'd0df1d9890', 'White v. Moorman debate', 'Recently there was a debate between anti-King James Bible Only writer Dr James White, and Dr Jack Moorman, author of several pro-King James Bible works.

My overview of the entire topic is as follows:

The “King James Only Movement”, (if such a title is really apt, since those who are said to hold this view actually are persons belonging to all manner of groups and movements), seems in recent years to have undergone a kind of transformation from the Textus Receptus Onlyist kind of position, which predominated in the 1980s, to a more concerted “English-premier” view today.

Admittedly, there are a great variety of views being held today under the title of “KJBO”, but it is very clear that with the recent controversies concerning Hyles-Anderson College, and concerning the TRO views of D. A. Waite and D. Cloud, etc., that there is broadly and more strongly a “KJBO” view which excels beyond, supersedes and sometimes even rejects parts of Textus Receptus Onlyism.

The scholarly “debate” has often focused, particular in Reformed circles, on Textus Receptus, Majority Text and Critical Text views. The “English Text” view is often neglected or coldly condemned. However, English Textism, if examined, is not just made up of views of “Ruckmanism”, “Riplingerism” or “Double-Inspirationists”, but also of what we might call (variously) broad, moderate, or purist “King James Onlyism”.

An examination of Jack Moorman’s book “Final Authority”, seems to place him ideologically along side Edward Hills and Donald Waite, rather than in the more progressive English-purist King James Onlyism. Therefore, Moorman is not wholly to be taken as a representative of “King James Only”, nor should his argumentations be taken as the best that King James Only has to offer against those on the opposite side of the debate, such as Dr James White.

No clearer example can be seen illustrating the difference between an English-onlyist and a Textus Receptus-onlyist, than when discussing a verse like Revelation 16:5. The TRO attempts to approach the issue from a natural scientific point of view. They ask, “What is the evidence that this reading existed in the past?” The English-onlyist would ask a different question, “Why is this reading present and correct?” The TRO is looking to back up the correctness of a reading to legitimise it, whereas the KJBO accepts (or assumes) the correctness of a reading, and engages in study to see why these things be so. The problem is that evidence is drawn from data which exists in the present. That means that the view onto the past is subject to interpretation. The way to eliminate subjectivity is by asserting the providence of received tradition over and above interpretative statements (no matter how “scientific”, “logical” or “factual”) concerning the early centuries.

The fundamental basis of the TRO approach is primarily focused on the Greek New Testament, that is, surviving copies in the Greek language; whereas the emphasis of the KJBO approach is on the manifest and extant English New Testament, where there is no degree of variableness or shadow of turning. The issue is not to look for human or natural reasons why the KJB translators got it right in 1611, but to assert that they were able to get it right because of the provision of correct material allowing for sound judgment.

When someone like Dr White asks questions or debates concerning a TRO (or a Byzantine-weighted) approach, he can (I think) find holes to expose them, because of their inconsistencies with the avowed wording of the King James Bible (where the English does not seem to match the extant Greek). But where the differences between the modern critical position are compared with an English-first view, it becomes much more difficult for the pro-Critical Text debater (since whole underlying premises differ), and so it usually becomes a case of smearing and rhetoric (sadly, on both sides) rather than any meaningful exchange/challenge of ideas. The whole exercise could then be reduced to Sir Thomas Moreisms.

But when and where English-Onlyism is fairly and honestly examined and appraised, where diligent and careful thought and inquiries are pursued — I think that it would be on this ground where the case is made or broken. I find that the ultimate appeal of arguments on both sides, besides appeals to “God’s will”, are very sharply divided upon that, on one side, men should actually be able to comprehend and tangibly perceive God’s truth, versus the other side, where men are subject to error and must be content with mere sufficiency.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1904', '5d7723ea8b', 'Re: OnlineBible quote', '[quote:5d7723ea8b=\"bibleprotector\"]“The result of our quest for Sharpe [sic], is a report from us that there are no errors in the electronic text (Online Bible), provided the correct Bible (‘Concord 8vo Bold-figures [sic] refs.’ printed on the title page) is referenced. We are assuming this Bible to be THE Bible.”
...This, of course, was a false assumption.[/quote:5d7723ea8b]Circular reasoning? Using Sharpe to justify Concord? 
[quote:5d7723ea8b=\"bibleprotector\"]“For example, at the end of Jer. 32:5, there is a question mark in the Pitt Minion Bible, but a period in the Concord 8v0.
... In fact, it is obvious that the PCE rendering is correct once Jeremiah 32 is read in context, because a question is began in Jeremiah 32:3, asking “Wherefore...” which requires the question mark at the end of verse five, which Pierce claims is “an error”.[/quote:5d7723ea8b]I understood the doctrinal issues of \'spirit\' in Acts 11:12,28 and 1John 5:8; however, how could one justify &quot;an error&quot; in Jer 32:5.
I\'ve read 
http://www.bibleprotector.com/God\'s_chosen_edition_of_the_King_James_Bible.pdf
and found a few more typos in my 1957 COLLINS;
Gen 41:56 \'and Joseph\' ; 1Chr 14:10 \'And wilt\' ; 
Songs 6:12 \'Ammin-a-dib\' ; the hyphen is not after \'i\', but there should be no hyphen at all?
In the article:
[quote:5d7723ea8b=\"Article\"]At the back of this presentation is a basic test that can used to check if a Bible is correct. Furthermore, since not any King James Bible is ultimately sufficient, but as every word has been tried, so only the Pure Cambridge Edition is the chosen standard of God.[/quote:5d7723ea8b]
You\'re saying that all KJBs will contain some insufficiencies; and the PCE electronic text is the only one without any insufficiencies?  If so, I could claim that both 1956 and 1957 COLLINS are PCE regardless of insufficiencies beyond the 12 point test?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1907', 'bea20ccd3c', 'Sufficiency', '1. Sufficiency means God\'s ability to use the thing.
OR
2. Sufficiency means to satisfy a perfect standard.

Obviously, all KJBs are sufficient according to definition one. And probably no printed KJBs, when examined minutely, would be found to match up with criteria two. Therefore, we must trust God\'s sufficiency, and promote as much as possible the thing which is fully ultimately sufficient, or, a better term would be, completely perfect.

_ _ _ _ _ _

Sorry, GRD, I accidently deleted your original post. If you can, please put down your thoughts again.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1908', '6b97e9acac', '', 'I watched a small part of the “debate” (it seemed more like a dialogue to me). From my recollection, a question came up from the audience about the Dead Sea Scrolls. The issue raised seemed to be asking whether or not the KJB needed to be revised in light of the DSS. Moorman basically dismissed the question. White, on the other hand, claimed that the NT had Septuagint quotes.

From my recollection, there was another question at some stage then about updating the KJB, and that since the KJB had been “revised”, why not accept maybe the NKJV or something.

Moorman went on to try and say that the KJB while an accurate translation, was open to elucidation. He admitted that explanation had to be made of the unusual or difficult words, but by his comparison to the Greek, he seemed to indicate that he thought that somehow the full truth was there in Greek.

He said, imagine I have two discs, one the inspired original, one the KJB translation. He said that if he put the KJB disc over the original one, that the light of the original one would shine through. This would seem to imply that the very fullness of “light” was not there in the KJB, but required somehow the originals for the full sense, etc.

From my recollection, Moorman then went on to explain, in answer to a comment made by the moderator, that the KJB was to be treated as a standard.

White asked which Greek the KJB should be measured to, since the KJB differed to the particular Stephanus Edition he held in his hand. White also asked in the alterations to the King James Bible, which “standard” should be taken, the Oxford, Cambridge or 1769 Edition? (I note that White did not say “1769 Cambridge” now, which is a technically incorrect statement the Dean Burgon Society make.)

Moorman was clearly unable to answer these areas properly. He talked about the KJB being a standard, and 400 years and the like, to which White responded that similar argumentation had been offered for the Vulgate against Erasmus’ revision.

My view is that there are answers to White’s allegations, and that Moorman did a fairly poor job. Some degree of failure on Moorman’s part, I think, rests in his TRO position rather than a more English-centric, providential and received traditional view.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1906', '933d3d9722', '', 'If an edition matches with the 12 points, it is PCE. There shouldn\'t be a problem using it. Having information on variations is handy, but should not stop us from using the Bible, that is, from a book which is correct despite some little issues in any particular impression.

[quote:933d3d9722]Songs 6:12 \'Ammin-a-dib\' ; the hyphen is not after \'i\', but there should be no hyphen at all? [/quote:933d3d9722]

There are two different kinds of hyphen. Long and short. The correct rendering is in the online text. Two short ones are just for sound.

[quote:933d3d9722]You\'re saying that all KJBs will contain some insufficiencies; and the PCE electronic text is the only one without any insufficiencies?[/quote:933d3d9722]

The PCE is correct. Any printed edition may have some issue which is not going to be a problem if we have knowledge of a correct standard.

[quote:933d3d9722]If so, I could claim that both 1956 and 1957 COLLINS are PCE regardless of insufficiencies beyond the 12 point test?[/quote:933d3d9722]

They are both PCE because they match the 12 point test. Knowing about the other minor issues just helps for fuller knowledge if you are using those printed editions. 

One thing is that we do not want people to doubt just because there might be an accidental missing dot from one of their Bibles somewhere (which we all know is an existing phenomena). But people should be confident that the electronic PCE is correct.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1909', '1ff510dae6', 'Re: Sufficiency', '[quote:1ff510dae6=\"bibleprotector\"]1. Sufficiency means God\'s ability to use the thing.
OR
2. Sufficiency means to satisfy a perfect standard.
Obviously, all KJBs are sufficient according to definition one. And probably no printed KJBs, when examined minutely, would be found to match up with criteria two. Therefore, we must trust God\'s sufficiency, and promote as much as possible the thing which is fully ultimately sufficient, or, a better term would be, completely perfect.
_ _ _ _ _ _
Sorry, GRD, I accidently deleted your original post. If you can, please put down your thoughts again.[/quote:1ff510dae6]
Guide_to_the_PCE_draft_0-5.pdf
[quote:1ff510dae6=\"PCE_draft\"]I do not agree with the claim that there is no standard or that any edition of the King James Bible is sufficient.p.6
He knows that he cannot ascend into Heaven and gain hold of the Word there, so on Earth,
he must labour to recreate what can be sufficiently — he does not ever say “perfectly” — the Word of God.p.229[/quote:1ff510dae6]
God\'s_chosen_edition_of_the_King_James_Bible.pdf
[quote:1ff510dae6=\"God\'s chosen\"]Furthermore, since not any King James Bible is ultimately sufficient, but as every word has been tried, so only the Pure Cambridge Edition is the chosen standard of God. p.12[/quote:1ff510dae6]
That makes sense, and it did answer some of OP; that just leaves:
The doubter does not trust God\'s sufficiency (PCE); therefore, he establishes his own chosen standard?
The doubter is not labouring toward sufficiency; rather, knowingly or ignorantly, labouring toward corrupting God\'s chosen standard?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1910', '7dedf68e1b', '', 'I have a wide margin Cameo from Local Church Bible Publishers. The only PCE test it has failed is 1Jn 5:8. All other places match the PCE. The product code is CCC110E1B. This is a beautiful edition in calfskin. It was $52.00 and shipped in 3 days from Michigan. I can live with the single error for the quality of this Bible. This quality craftsmanship would cost $150.00 or more from Cambridge or Allan\'s.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1911', '463116bfeb', 'Kenneth Hagin or Copeland?', 'Guide_to_the_PCE_draft_0-5.pdf ; p.338
[quote:463116bfeb]a. Faith Pentecostalism. Absorbed largely from the teachings of Smith Wigglesworth, and others (such as Kenneth Copeland),[/quote:463116bfeb]

Kenneth Copeland or Kenneth Hagin?
Did not Kenneth Copeland teach that Jesus was tortured by Satan in hell for three days?
I thought it was heresy.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1912', '66827e623d', '', '[quote:66827e623d]The doubter does not trust God\'s sufficiency (PCE); therefore, he establishes his own chosen standard? [/quote:66827e623d]

The &quot;standard&quot; that most people might have is to say &quot;there is no standard&quot; which is actually a human/self-made standard.

[quote:66827e623d]The doubter is not labouring toward sufficiency; rather, knowingly or ignorantly, labouring toward corrupting God\'s chosen standard?[/quote:66827e623d]

2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1913', '03a3bdf01c', '', '[quote:03a3bdf01c]Kenneth Copeland or Kenneth Hagin? 
Did not Kenneth Copeland teach that Jesus was tortured by Satan in hell for three days? 
I thought it was heresy.[/quote:03a3bdf01c]

There are two doctrines here:

1. JDS (Jesus died spiritually) or did Jesus God to hell?
and
2. Does Satan rule in hell and do devils torture souls there?

The answer to 1. is we believe yes. The answer to 2. is we believe no.

Ac 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Satan is not yet in the pit which leads to hell.

Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

This is what Jesus did in his resurrection:

Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1914', '2718334e84', '', 'Moorman\'s opening statement talks about the Word of God being preserved in Hebrew and Greek.

But the reality is there is NO perfect copy of the Scripture in Hebrew and Greek today. Moorman\'s approach is fundamentally flawed.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1915', '57fb3d2de4', '', '[quote:57fb3d2de4=\"bibleprotector\"]
There are two doctrines here:
1. JDS (Jesus died spiritually) or did Jesus God to hell?
and
2. Does Satan rule in hell and do devils torture souls there?
The answer to 1. is we believe yes. The answer to 2. is we believe no.
[/quote:57fb3d2de4]

I\'ll accept that. Christ went to hell and preached the gospel; Satan couldn\'t touch Him.
How is Kenneth Copeland tied in with Faith Pentecostalism?
Was he a good or bad influence on Faith Pentecostalism.?
I think I may be a little confused about the concept of Faith Pentecostalism.
Any articles on that on the site?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1916', '2426b63c62', 'Copeland etc.', '[quote:2426b63c62]How is Kenneth Copeland tied in with Faith Pentecostalism? 
Was he a good or bad influence on Faith Pentecostalism.?[/quote:2426b63c62]
It should be understood that Copeland is not the standard of faith Pentecostalism and, in fact, deviates in a few places from Traditional Pentecostalism. We agree with him in areas where he agrees with the Word of God but there are quite a few times when he has cast doubt on the accuracy of the KJB, even though he uses and prefers the KJB. The fact is though that Kenneth Copeland ministries is actually quite beneficial overall to help people walk by faith (like many ministries that may not be fully KJB but KJB preference).

The following would be good to look at, which also touches on the faith movement:
http://www.bibleprotector.com/KJBOandPENTECOST.pdf
Also, look at:
http://www.bibleprotector.com/The_Baptism_of_the_Holy_Ghost.pdf');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1917', '68f973b475', 'The Protector, 6 February 2011', '[img:68f973b475]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:68f973b475]

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WELCOME! [i:68f973b475]The Protector[/i:68f973b475] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:68f973b475][color=darkblue:68f973b475]EDITORIAL[/color:68f973b475][/size:68f973b475]

CONSISTENCY

If we do not take the King James Bible consistently, we undermine our position.

“Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?” (Proverbs 22:20, 21).

The sound King James Bible only position is based on the self-validating, self-authenticating nature of the Word of God itself. The KJB is true because the KJB says God\'s Word is true. This so-called circularity is consistent, because when the argument is examined in minutest detail, in both internal considerations and external measures, the KJB can be found, by honest inquiry, to be entirely correct, accurate and true. The same cannot be said for other versions, which is why there is no real stand made for the absolute truth of any version today except the KJB.

If we were to use just inductive reasoning (making a statement based on observation), we would already be able to find support for the rightness of the King James Bible.

[size=18:68f973b475][color=darkblue:68f973b475]NEWS[/color:68f973b475][/size:68f973b475]

“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:68f973b475]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:68f973b475]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

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The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1918', '263c625657', '12 point test - counseller, inquire', 'I noticed that the words \'counseller\', \'inquire\' were not included in the 12 points.
Is it because that a PCE, which conforms to the 12 points, will automatically have correct spelling for those words?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1919', '56097c4ff9', 'Unknown tongues', 'KJBOandPENTECOST.pdf[quote:56097c4ff9=\"p.18\"]“Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.” (1 Corinthians 14:22). The unknown tongues (unknown to the speaker) are a sign to “them that believe not” because it shows that God is in control of all language ... [/quote:56097c4ff9]I have trouble here:
Is the unknown tongue only unknown to the speaker, or unknown to the speaker and all others present, whether believer, unbeliever, or unlearned?
Is tongue classified as unknown because speaker cannot interpret, and neither is there any believer, unlearned, unbeliever who can interpret?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1920', 'f295e01f2e', 'Answers.', 'I answer these questions on the Baptism of the Holy Ghost booklet.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1921', '5d1a43f1ae', '', 'To define a PCE takes 12 points. If the edition is right in these, there is no reason why it would differ in &quot;inquire&quot; or &quot;counseller&quot;. The fact is that the PCE could have a 275 point test, but it is not practical. Since the PCE is an existing edition, there is very strong agreement between all printed copies which are PCE in that they practically always have the exact same spelling.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1922', '43f7c3ca3d', 'Re: Answers.', '[quote:43f7c3ca3d=\"KJBman777\"]I answer these questions on the Baptism of the Holy Ghost booklet.[/quote:43f7c3ca3d]

Thanks, found it.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1923', '3679a282a4', 'The Protector, 13 February 2011', '[img:3679a282a4]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:3679a282a4]

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WELCOME! [i:3679a282a4]The Protector[/i:3679a282a4] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:3679a282a4][color=darkblue:3679a282a4]EDITORIAL[/color:3679a282a4][/size:3679a282a4]

WHAT IS THE MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL — PART 1

Paul talked about the mystery of the Gospel. Some people say that Paul’s Gospel was different to the Gospel of Jesus, but this is not true. The word “Gospel” means “good tidings”, and that is exactly what Jesus and Paul preached. However, the Gospel is not just a simple message like “God loves you and Jesus died for your sins”. There is a lot more detail than that.

Romans 16:25 says, “Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began”.

Yet we read that the prophets wrote about this “secret”. The fact is that Gospel was revealed beforehand in the Old Testament, but darkly. There are all kinds of indications there of God’s will to reach Gentile nations with His truth. It took the New Testament to explain it clearly.

Romans 16:26 states, “But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith”.

1. The Gospel is now known.
2. The Scripture that was written aforetime should be present today — we need perfect knowledge of this — the King James Bible.
3. The Gospel is designed to reach nations.
4. The nations are supposed to be able to obey the Gospel.

Remember the Great Commission. Jesus said: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matthew 28:19, 20).

Here again, we find that,

1. The Church is empowered to make the Gospel known.
2. That the very words of Christ and commandments must be knowable to the nations — we need perfect knowledge to observe this — the King James Bible.
3. The Gospel is designed to be taught to nations, and Jesus expects that they shall receive it.
4. Nations are supposed to be able to actually obey the Word.

[size=18:3679a282a4][color=darkblue:3679a282a4]NEWS[/color:3679a282a4][/size:3679a282a4]

“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:3679a282a4]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:3679a282a4]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:3679a282a4][color=darkblue:3679a282a4]DIRECTORY[/color:3679a282a4][/size:3679a282a4]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1924', '30e1616490', 'Do modern studies really surpass the KJB?', 'One of the common arguments against the perfection of the King James Bible is that it was made at a time when less manuscript evidence was known, and that studies into texts and into the original languages was less developed. This argument is given to supposedly undermine the KJB, because since knowledge has increased since that age, the Bible must apparently be imperfect.

This argument is incorrect on several grounds.

First, that if it were applied to Christianity, or our own conversion, it would render anything in the past as hopelessly ineffectual and redundant. But this is not the nature of Christianity. Moreover, when it comes to God’s inspiration of a limited Canon of 66 books, it is that, all in all, to the jot and tittle, and not anything more or less. Thus, since the truth of Scripture itself is not reduced in time, so likewise does it mean that a perfect Bible Version and Translation should be able to stand whatever barrage or latent errors exist in time.

Second, the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls from classical times has done much to testify to the veracity, validity and verity of the King James Bible’s Old Testament. Thus, the progress of Christianity and the Spirit’s processes though Church operations did not cause the Bible to become something else in a period of about 1600 years, so why should we expect that modern versions are suddenly superior or improved upon the King James Bible after 300 years? (The opposite, doubtless is the case, the modern versions exist contemporaneously with the KJB, yet they differ to, depart from and deride it oft.)

Third, and most importantly, if we allow for the argument that in the days of the making of the Textus Receptus, and in the translation of the English Bible, that there was no developed understanding of textual types and textual families, and all that was relied upon was what was available and understood, then this must be the means of God’s Providence to provide His Word perfectly. Because:
a. perfect full knowledge (omniscience) or even just present knowledge is not a critical factor in arriving at, understanding or proliferating truth;
b. that at present, people are limited to the various fragments and copies in the original languages, the existing theories and ideas that exist, all of which constitutes a highly incomplete, and readily objectionable scenario for best determining textual critical issues.

Thus, fallible men were able to work from imperfect source material in limited numbers and yet come to a perfect text and translation. This happens to be correct, not because of mere science or even the human endeavour of study, but because there was a simple receiving of truth that was present at hand, and that the exercise of judgment in such matters was sufficiently able to come to a sound and proper understanding of the correct text and the creation of a lasting translation, one which has transcended all (apparent) human barriers, so that today the very Word of God for the entire world in a Bible made in 1611.

This is the reasonable basis for the argument of why the King James Bible is correct in its text and translation, why the KJB is correct with its rendering of Revelation 16:5, and how the Pure Cambridge Edition is received as the proper edition today.

This intellectual argument is consistent with the Scripture.

Deut. 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Rom. 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

1 Cor. 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Phil. 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

2 Thess. 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1925', 'f07ac04996', 'Large Print Family Bible Revisited (9CFR)', 'Greetings from Missouri, USA -

Like many of you I have been on a search for a Pure Cambridge Edition in genuine leather.  Since the original post for this discussion was some years ago, I am going to provide an update on the TBS 9CFR large print family bible in calfskin leather.  Although this is higher price Bible than most, I was able to purchase one from a source in the USA which was at a lower cost.  In my search I also found a source in the UK that was also lower in price for those of you in Europe.  

The ISBN matches that which has been previously documented in this discussion and so I am hopeful that I will have finally found a PCE Bible.  My only fear is that a new ISBN does not have to be issued for &quot;minor alterations&quot; to a book.  If just one of the 12 verses doesn\'t match the list, it will not be pure.  One capital letter out of the entire Bible would certainly be a minor alteration (but for us, a major one).

Once this Bible arrives (10 days or so), I will post again with my findings.  I am also planning to do a You Tube video so that others may see more than I could when considering purchasing this Bible.  

Kindest Regards to All,');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1926', '7a86715773', '', 'You are welcome to post any youtube links here.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1927', '2c53e91d1c', 'The Protector, 20 February 2011', '[img:2c53e91d1c]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:2c53e91d1c]

[color=red:2c53e91d1c]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:2c53e91d1c]

WELCOME! [i:2c53e91d1c]The Protector[/i:2c53e91d1c] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:2c53e91d1c][color=darkblue:2c53e91d1c]EDITORIAL[/color:2c53e91d1c][/size:2c53e91d1c]

THE MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL CONTINUED

The aim of the Church with the Gospel is to reach nations with the Word of God and that people would actually keep the commandments. Paul wrote, “Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory”. (Col. 1:25-27).

Paul expected that the Gospel would be able to reach many people, because he said, “Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.” (Col. 1:28, 29).

It would be impossible to have people warned, taught and come to perfection if God’s words were to be lost in history. Uncertainty hangs over modern versions as to which words are right. But the Scriptural position is to see that we have the Word of God.

John Buchan (Lord Tweedsmuir) said at a BFBS meeting, “It is the aim of this society, to make this precious thing available to the whole world. It is a great purpose and a many-sided purpose, for the Bible is a many-sided thing. It is the revelation of our religion, the means by which the kingdom of heaven can be established on earth. It is a code of conduct, a manual of practical wisdom which is the basis of our Western civilization. It is a cement to bind together the honest work of men’s hands. And for us, the British people, the Bible is a kind of national testament, a national confession of faith, for it is the key to all that is worthy in our character and famous in our history. It is the true bond of union for us, both as a nation and an empire, for it contains all that is noblest in our long traditions and all that constitutes the hope of our future.”

[size=18:2c53e91d1c][color=darkblue:2c53e91d1c]NEWS[/color:2c53e91d1c][/size:2c53e91d1c]

“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:2c53e91d1c]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:2c53e91d1c]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:2c53e91d1c][color=darkblue:2c53e91d1c]DIRECTORY[/color:2c53e91d1c][/size:2c53e91d1c]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1928', '4b7a2f8b70', '1 John 5:8 - &quot;spirit..water..blood&quot; - lower case s', '[color=darkblue:4b7a2f8b70]Hi Folks,[/color:4b7a2f8b70]
[color=indigo:4b7a2f8b70]
1 John 5:8 
And there are three that bear witness in earth,
the spirit, and the water, and the blood: 
and these three agree in one.[/color:4b7a2f8b70]
[color=darkblue:4b7a2f8b70]
Here I think it would be helpful to point out that one of the simplest and crispest interpretations of verse 8 absolutely must be lower case for scripture consistency.  And I will show this by using the writing of William Fleming, while substituting PCE verse presentation (sans italics) to his presentation .. ironically one which has too many caps for pronouns.  (The abbreviation &quot;SS.&quot; I am not sure of the meaning.)
[/color:4b7a2f8b70]
[color=darkblue:4b7a2f8b70]=========================[/color:4b7a2f8b70]
[color=darkred:4b7a2f8b70]
The true church of the Bible (1895)
Instructions For Anglicans And Dissenters, 
Instructions For Jews And Unitarians 
William Fleming 
http://books.google.com/books?id=VgqKNTzACNgC&amp;pg=PA90 [/color:4b7a2f8b70]
[color=darkred:4b7a2f8b70]The Spirit or Holy Ghost in verse 7 must not be taken as identical with the spirit in verse 8. SS. Athanasius and Augustine teach that the spirit in the latter verse refers to the last dying breath of our Lord when He \'gave up the ghost\' (John, xix. 30); and \' the water and blood\' to that which issued from His side, opened by the soldier\'s lance (John, xix. 34), both of which prove that Jesus is truly man. On the other hand, the Father, the Word, and the Spirit in verse 7 testified at Christ\'s baptism that He is truly God. That testimony is given by [/color:4b7a2f8b70]

[color=indigo:4b7a2f8b70]St. Matthew (iii. 16-17): \'And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:  And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.  (John, viii. 14).[/color:4b7a2f8b70]
[color=darkred:4b7a2f8b70]
Hence the Father, the Holy Ghost, and our Lord Himself testify to His divinity; and the water and blood, together with our Lord\'s last breath, bear witness to His sacred humanity[/color:4b7a2f8b70]

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 [color=indigo:4b7a2f8b70]
Luke 23:46 
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, 
Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: 
and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

John 19:30 
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, 
he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

John 19:34 
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, 
and forthwith came there out blood and water. 
[/color:4b7a2f8b70][color=darkblue:4b7a2f8b70]

These last two verses covering the three component earthly witnesses and being written by John is a strong indication of interpretation strength.

Shalom,
Steven [/color:4b7a2f8b70]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1929', '6ab0dae047', '', 'Thanks; that helps validation.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1930', 'b87fc41116', 'Re: 1 John 5:8 - &quot;spirit..water..blood&quot; - lower ca', 'SS = saints, as in, Saint Athanasius and Saint Augustine.

Hills quotes Augustine\'s teaching,

“If we wish to inquire about these things, what they signify, not absurdly does the Trinity suggest Itself, who is the one, only, true, and highest God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, concerning whom it could most truly be said, Three are Witnesses, and the Three are One. By the word spirit we consider God the Father to be signified, concerning the worship of whom the Lord spoke, when He said, God is a spirit. By the word blood the Son is signified, because the Word was made flesh. And by the water we understand the Holy Spirit. For when Jesus spoke concerning the water which He was about to give the thirsty, the evangelist says, This He spake concerning the Spirit whom those that believed in Him would receive.”');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1931', '1e72ddbe79', 'Re: 1 John 5:8 - &quot;spirit..water..blood&quot; - lower ca', '[color=darkblue:1e72ddbe79]Hi Folks,

The section from Augustine can get complex because there is a big discussion (even including a 1934 German paper St. Augustinus gegen das \'Comma Johanneum\'? by Norbert Fickermann) as to whether or not Augustine had verse seven in his Bible. And Edward Hills was discussing some traditional theories of interpolation, not explaining the fulness of the Augustine references.

Thus, in the same section given by Edward Hills from Contra Maximinum Arianum we have:[/color:1e72ddbe79]

[color=darkred:1e72ddbe79]Three things then we know to have issued from the Body of the Lord when He hung upon the tree: first, the spirit: of which it is written, &quot;And He bowed the head and gave up the spirit:\'\' then, as His side was pierced by the spear, &quot;blood and water.&quot; [/color:1e72ddbe79]
[color=darkblue:1e72ddbe79]
This would correlate directly to what William Fleming was writing.

Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:1e72ddbe79]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1932', '9af732317b', 'Clarification of terms', 'Edition deals with presentation, corrections, spelling and grammar; I get that.
Version deals with languages, like English, French, Latin, ....; I got that?
What term do I use to differentiate between English bibles like KJB, NIV, NKJV, NASV ...? They are different ___________.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1933', 'c8bd0c9510', 'Terms', '[quote:c8bd0c9510]differentiate between English bibles[/quote:c8bd0c9510]
You\'ve already used the term &quot;bibles&quot; but I\'m not prepared to accept them as bibles. There is one English [b:c8bd0c9510]bible[/b:c8bd0c9510], which is the [b:c8bd0c9510]King James Bible[/b:c8bd0c9510].

Probably, just say: &quot;[b:c8bd0c9510]English versions[/b:c8bd0c9510]&quot; since they are subsets of &quot;versions&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1934', 'b6f4b96787', 'KJB Only and Church Unity', 'Luke spoke of &quot;a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us&quot; (Luke 1:1b). This declaration has come through the words of God, every one of which has a bearing on &quot;surely believed&quot;. Even when those in churches today say they can have various &quot;bibles&quot;, they are believing something, not nothing. The modern versionists believe in a not-sure or not-certain set of words they claim constitute an approximation of what God said. The KJBO believer believes that there is only [b:b6f4b96787]one Bible for the Church that surely contains all the words sufficiently from God for man today[/b:b6f4b96787].');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1935', 'd106d1a61a', 'Re: Terms', '[quote:d106d1a61a=\"KJBman777\"][quote:d106d1a61a]differentiate between English bibles[/quote:d106d1a61a]You\'ve already used the term &quot;bibles&quot; but I\'m not prepared to accept them as bibles. There is one English [b:d106d1a61a]bible[/b:d106d1a61a], which is the [b:d106d1a61a]King James Bible[/b:d106d1a61a].
Probably, just say: &quot;[b:d106d1a61a]English versions[/b:d106d1a61a]&quot; since they are subsets of &quot;versions[/quote:d106d1a61a]
I was thinking Holy Bible for KJB, and Unholy Bible for the others; but did not think it was a recognized category name.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1936', 'a5cd3d5f7f', 'Joe\'s Testimony', 'Greetings from South Dakota, USA.  I just wanted to say hello to all on this forum as I am a new member here.  I came across this forum a few months ago.  My Christian walk started many years ago and because of my disobedience to His will, I ended up walking in darkness many years.  This past year God has shown me His love through His correction and this past December was a turning point in my life.  I have since rededicated my life to Him and now firmly believe that nothing in this world can compare to His Grace and Honor and I will submit to His will.  About this time I started reading about the importance of the original King James Version.  Over time, I have collected a few bibles along the way.  One of those bibles belonged to my Dad who is 95 years old.  He bought this bible on or about the time I was born.  He entered his name and my mothers name into the registry but then didn\'t finish entering all the other information for reasons unknown.  This Collins edition bible was basically new and as I looked into it, it proved to be a PCE.  I was so pleased that I had this bible that I replaced my NKJV and NIV with this one and have been faithfully studying it everyday.  I finished the registry with my family\'s information and had my dad sign and date it and present it to me after I told him about it.  So now almost 50 years later it is being used as it was meant to be.  Praise the Lord.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1937', 'aecb71f532', 'Excellent.', 'Excellent! Thanks!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1938', 'f651d522e4', '', 'I have a Collins edition printed in GB and it also has no ISBN numbers.  I looked under the licence and found the date to be printed in 1958.  The word &quot;every&quot; is used.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1939', '625b8a47e8', 'Incorrect Bible Received..the Search Continues', 'To follow up from my previous post regarding ordering the TBS 9CFR Bible, I received the package in the mail today.  After carefully checking each of the 12 check verses, 1 John 5:8 has Spirit instead of spirit.  I checked the presentation box and found that I had been shipped a similar Bible but with a different ISBN and product code.

I have requested that the correct Bible be shipped and that I be able to return the incorrect Bible.  I am a bit worried as the website currently shows zero in stock (there were 6 or 7 left when I ordered) and the return information for receiving an incorrect item provides the buyer with a &quot;store credit&quot; instead of a refund.  

I am frustrated but optimistic that somehow my money has not been wasted.  I simply can not afford another attempt at finding a PCE Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1940', '01cef2637f', 'The Protector, 27 February 2011', '[img:01cef2637f]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:01cef2637f]

[color=red:01cef2637f]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:01cef2637f]

WELCOME! [i:01cef2637f]The Protector[/i:01cef2637f] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:01cef2637f][color=darkblue:01cef2637f]EDITORIAL[/color:01cef2637f][/size:01cef2637f]

THE MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL OUTWORKED

The mystery of the Gospel is that Gentile nations should be converted, that they should actually have God’s Word present with them, and that they should actually obey it.

In Revelation we find significations of what is happening through Church history. “And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire”. (Revelation 10:1). All these attributes have meanings.

“And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth” (Revelation 10:2).

Commentators have recognised this angel is symbolising the translating of the Bible in the Protestant Reformation. The one book ultimately means that there is one Bible. The process of its arrival was not instant, but was like the angel coming down and placing his feet. The Word of God did not have to come from heaven in the Reformation, but the completion of the process of purification was done so by God.

“And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.” (Revelation 10:3).

We can assert then, that there is to be a proclamation and availability of the King James Bible tot he world, in the English language, which may be signified by something which is like a loud lion’s roar.

“And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.” (Revelation 10:4).

In the Reformation there were seven main Protestant English Bibles. All the work and things which went into making them is like seven thunders that passed away, but what remains is one more exact translation of the holy scripture in the English tongue. (The translators of 1611 had a lot to say about this in their Preface to the Reader, www.bibleprotector.com/The_Translators_to_the_Reader.pdf ).

Also, there were seven main or important processes for producing the editorially significant editions of the King James Bible, all of which was to improve the printing accuracy, spelling and other editing, so that we would have the Word of God exactly to the punctuation mark today.

Was a spelling error the Word of God? The prophecy signifies not, saying, not to write what the thunders uttered. In other words, all the purification processes that occurred have now one thing remaining: the very pure words of God.

“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Ps 12:6, 7).

[size=18:01cef2637f][color=darkblue:01cef2637f]NEWS[/color:01cef2637f][/size:01cef2637f]

“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:01cef2637f]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:01cef2637f]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
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Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1941', '06fd86213d', '', '[quote:06fd86213d=\"JoeAsh61\"]I have a Collins edition printed in GB and it also has no ISBN numbers.  I looked under the licence and found the date to be printed in 1958.  The word &quot;every&quot; is used.[/quote:06fd86213d]

Which certainly leads one to believe this was a typographical error in a particular run as opposed to a DELIBERATE error as we find in 1 John 5:8 in the Concord editions, run after run after run.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1942', '5d116d1abc', 'The Protector, 6 March 2011', '[img:5d116d1abc]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:5d116d1abc]

[color=red:5d116d1abc]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:5d116d1abc]

WELCOME! [i:5d116d1abc]The Protector[/i:5d116d1abc] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:5d116d1abc][color=darkblue:5d116d1abc]EDITORIAL[/color:5d116d1abc][/size:5d116d1abc]

THE MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL REVEALED

Paul asked the Ephesians to pray for him, “And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.” (Ephesians 6:19, 20).

Making known the mystery of the Gospel meant that Paul saw that it was not a secret, but something to proclaim. It was already being proclaimed in his day:

“Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.” (Col. 1:25–29).

In order for people to be in the perfect unity of Christ, that is, to be behaving perfectly and believing perfectly, it is very important that there be a proper foundation. Therefore it is instrumental that the very words of God be known in absolute certainty.

In Revelation 10, we witness the revealing of the Word of God in the Reformation and beyond.

“And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer” (Revelation 10:5, 6). When the time of the sixth trumpet is far spent (it began in about 1062 A.D. when hordes of Turks crossed the river at Baghdad), it means that the knowledge of what actually is pure the Word of God will also be available.

We are now advancing for preparation of the seventh trumpet. (We are still in the sixth trumpet time.) The prophecy is that, “But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.” (Revelation 10:7).

What is the finishing of the mystery of God which was spoken of through the Old and New Testament? Nothing other than what is also called “Church Restitution”, the beginning of the times of refreshing.

In short, there cannot be any great world wide revival without the Word of God being known, and the preparation for the pure Word to be established throughout the Earth.

[size=18:5d116d1abc][color=darkblue:5d116d1abc]NEWS[/color:5d116d1abc][/size:5d116d1abc]

“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:5d116d1abc]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:5d116d1abc]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:5d116d1abc][color=darkblue:5d116d1abc]DIRECTORY[/color:5d116d1abc][/size:5d116d1abc]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1947', '4b65bbc447', '2 verse PCE quick check?', 'Realizing that the Ezra 2:26 check of &quot;Geba&quot; is in addition to the other 12 verses that must be verified in order to establish whether the text is PCE or not, I was wondering if a quick check of Ezra 2:26 and I John 5:8 would suffice?

I have found cases where Ezra 2:26 is &quot;Geba&quot; but spirit in I John 5:8 is capitalized (in a 1937 Collins) and I have a Thomas Nelson with &quot;Gaba&quot; at Ezra 2:26 but spirit in I John 5:8.

So it appears to me that if one wanted to do a very quick check, these two verses would be very good candidates. It wouldn\'t guarentee a PCE without checking all 12, but it would be close.

I purchased a Collins off eBay where I only asked to check Ezra and I John and when it arrived I checked and found it was in fact a PCE (circa late 1950s)

Thoughts? Again, fully understand that without checking all 12 verses one cannot be certain.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1943', '33a896d22c', '', '[quote:33a896d22c=\"kevinleake01\"]Here are the details about the TBS Calfskin Family Bible:

It was published by the TBS in November 1997

ISBN-10: 0907861598

ISBN-13: 9780907861591

If you get a later edition of the TBS Calfskin Family Bible, the ISBN numbers will be different, and it will have a later publishing date.[/quote:33a896d22c]

*** MARCH 2011 UPDATE ***

I have looked across various websites, and I have found that this edition is now getting hard to find. Sadly, it is no longer available from eden.co.uk, it has been replaced by ISBN-13: 9781862280311 which is probably not a PCE.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1944', 'b52d1975bb', 'Large Print French Morocco Leather PCE', 'I purchased a Large Print Text Cambridge from Allan\'s that is a PCE:

http://www.bibles-direct.co.uk/products/view.php?id=94&amp;c=52

KJ653: T
ISBN: 978-0-512-50881-0

Black French Morocco Leather, Black letter text (No words of Christ in red) and no center references.

~$76.00 including shipping.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1945', '3e7bb2e152', '', 'FOREWORD

The following is written to answer questions and queries might someone might raise concerning the &quot;spirit&quot; case issue.

The principles of my view are:
1. The infallibility and inerrancy of Scripture as articulated by traditional Protestants;
2. The absolute correctness of the text as presented in the King James Bible, and the fully accuracy of its translation; and
3. The perfection of the presentation as given in the Pure Cambridge Edition.

INTRODUCTION
We are to “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Tim. 2:15). It follows that while Scripture passage is to be compared with Scripture, and the context noted, there is also the important division found throughout Scripture, both in its conceptual structure, and in its dealing with the same narrative or similar subject matter.

When we are told about the “spirit” in Joel, it is notable that we are told about the “Spirit” in Acts. One passage may be a quote of another, but the differences between them are important for the discerning of the very sense, for in this entire study, we are going to the minutest details, and giving credence to the slightest nuance. That is what it means to accept the principles above outlined concerning the reliability of every word, jot and tittle.

It must first be established that throughout the Bible, not only in the three passages questioned, but in numerous verses, there is examples of use of the word “spirit” lower case, where the modernist view dictates it ought to be capital. This is because there is absent now a doctrine of any particular meaning of the lower case “spirit” in relation to God, and because there is only a facile dictum which states that all references related to God must have a capital letter, or else, that they only understand that there is an Holy Ghost without there being any distinct understanding of what the Bible is describing as some part of his nature or operations, especially related to the heart of man.

The real issue then is that people have now an assumption that “Spirit” ought to be capital, and that the witness coming out from the earlier editions, even from 1769 and beyond, is that they were somehow inferior. The modern position is one of pride, inferring that now people have a proper sense in these matters. But the reality is, on close examination, it is possible to discern what the difference is between “spirit” and “Spirit”, why they are used, and why they should be retained in their traditional usage.

Not only is the assumption that “Spirit” should always be capital the thought of various Christians generally at large, but also is the opinion of the eminent editors at Cambridge, who only relatively recently with the formation of the Concord Edition followed the modern usage of the Oxford Edition in altering “spirit” to “Spirit” in three places. But once again, the word “spirit” lingers in various passages throughout the King James Bible, and there is little realisation of the distinction of this usage — which is not a cultish usage, but is sincerely as Protestant, whether Anglican, Methodist or Pentecostal, as may be found.

Scrivener, for all his imperfections, did rightly discern that there was some distinction between “Spirit” and “spirit”, and though several of his editorial decisions were incorrect (probably because he was giving credence to the second 1611 edition), yet his own edition is found to retain usage of “spirit” in some places.

ACTS 11:12
Acts 11:12 is not identical with Acts 10:19, 20. While they deal with the same situation, they show different things. (This, after all, the manner of parallel passages in the Bible, in that each recounting of an event may differ slightly to another, giving complementary information.)

If it is possible to argue that Acts 11:12 must be capital because Acts 10:19 is, then it would be valid to argue that Acts 10:19 should be lower case because Acts 11:12 is.

But there is a distinction giving rise to a doctrine, one which even Scrivener did somewhat recognise, that there is a difference between meaning of “Spirit” and “spirit”, “The familiar rule that ‘Spirit’ should have a capital when the Holy Ghost or Spirit Himself is indicated, while ‘spirit’ ought to be used in other cases, even when His power or influence is referred to, may be as safe as any, yet in application it gives rise to occasional perplexity, which the inconsistencies of the standard and other editions do little to remove.” Scrivener was, of course, way off in his motives to try to improve upon the received tradition, and the same can be said for Norton.

In Acts 10:19, 20, the Holy Ghost (i.e. the Spirit) speaks articulate words to Peter, which we should understand, were words he perceived within himself, not from an audible external source next to him.

In Acts 11:12 the Holy Ghost’s influence and working is described, called “spirit”, which was the outworking in Peter’s heart.

ACTS 11:28
Again, we have the absence of articulate words from the Holy Ghost, but a summary of the whole matter, whereby the prophet signified a coming event.

To utilise 1 Corinthians 14:32 is not a matter of “proof texting” (to wrench something out of context) in that the very context of 1 Cor. 14 is directly describing what it was that Agabus was doing in Acts 11:28. In fact, this example is entirely opposite of “proof texting” (which cults practice to justify beliefs by wresting Scripture).

As for 2 Peter 1:21, which does not expressly say “Spirit”, but “Holy Ghost”, there is no doubt that all true prophecy comes from the Holy Ghost. Remember that the word “spirit” in this issue is being argued to be the “power or influence” (by F. H. A. Scrivener) of the Spirit.

However, it must be said that 2 Peter 1:21 is referring to what was recorded as Old Testament Scripture, and that the example of Agabus in the New Testament is different, in that the New Testament office of prophet is different to the Old. Agabus was not involved in the inspiration of Scripture (in this case, it was Luke).

Again, it must be emphasised that while Agabus signified by the spirit, it certainly was from the Holy Ghost, and that is because the “spirit” is the “power or influence” of the Holy Ghost, so that quite rightly we could say that the “spirit” is of the “Spirit”. Probably the best way I can say it is that the “spirit” is not the full person of the Holy Ghost, but the manifestation of His presence and outworking in or through the human spirit.

1 JOHN 5:8
The context of the passage must be related to the very next verse, which is in closest proximity, which states, “If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.” (verse 9).

Some have attempted to argue that verse 8 should be capital “Spirit” because verse 7 speaks of the Holy Ghost. But of course, the Holy Ghost’s work in that verse is in Heaven. The work in Earth of verse 8 is something different. Certainly the Holy Ghost is present on Earth, and is the source of the “spirit” in verse 8, which is explained in verse 9 as the witness of knowing God in the human heart. (That is, one cannot have true knowledge of God in Earth without the Holy Ghost, which is perceived in the inner man, and is the working of God called the “spirit”.)

1 John 5:6 is talking about two earthly elements, water and blood. The “Spirit” is clearly the Holy Ghost. Thus, the Holy Ghost’s witness in verse 6 about Christ, His record in Heaven in verse 7, must be understood to also link to His outworking in the heart of man (called “spirit”) in verses 8 and 9.

CONCLUSION
There is avowedly a distinction between “Spirit” and “spirit”, though this is not to introduce any strange elements (for the Holy Ghost is always understood in both usages), and this being mentioned by Scrivener.

The way the Pure Cambridge Edition reads comes directly from the accepted 1769 Edition, and the ensuing Cambridge tradition, which David Norton called the received text. The changes in these particulars made in modern editions have been done without regard for the finer details and proper understanding of this issue.

In fact, if Cambridge University Press reverted just these three passages in their ordinary editions (that are elsewhere conformable to the Pure Cambridge Edition), they would be then again maintaining the tradition which they had for so long faithfully done. (After all, so much of their editing for so long was accepted, and it was only from the making of the Concord Edition that there were any signs of disparity.)

Finally, these matters should be weighed and understood, because it is my view that persisting on an insistence of a wrong presentation may invite the declension of Providence.');
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[color=red:794321f2f2]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:794321f2f2]

WELCOME! [i:794321f2f2]The Protector[/i:794321f2f2] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:794321f2f2][color=darkblue:794321f2f2]EDITORIAL[/color:794321f2f2][/size:794321f2f2]

DEALING WITH DIFFICULTIES IN THE BIBLE

The Bible admits that it has some parts in it which are difficult. The solution is not in “dumbing down the Bible”, the solution is by spiritual education. Solomon said, “A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels: To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.” (Proverbs 1:5, 6).

How ready are people to hear?

Another verse tells us to study the Bible. This does not just mean theological studies, but means devotional studies. Every Christian should be going to Church and should be heeding the teaching of Scripture.

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15).

John W. Burgon (1813–1888), in one of his sermons on inspiration and interpretation taught, “Why then are difficulties of this, or of any kind permitted in the Gospel at all? it may be asked. — I answer, that they may prove instruments of probation to you and to me. ... The difficulties in Holy Scripture, — which are numerous, and diverse, and considerable, — are admirable tests of the moral, the spiritual, the intellectual temper of Man.”

In other words, God tests us on how we respond to the Bible. Do we put effort in and think upon it?

This is related to the entire area of so called “hard” or so called “old fashioned” language in the King James Bible. Mockers or doubters talk about how difficult it is to grasp the meaning of the King James Bible. There are plenty of people who think that having a new, easier “Bible” is better.

But God is wise. He knows how to communicate to us. He knows how to use the King James Bible. And most importantly, He sees how people approach His Word. Some uneducated folk are sincere and come into great understanding of truth just because they have the right hearing heart attitude. This is the will of God.

[size=18:794321f2f2][color=darkblue:794321f2f2]NEWS[/color:794321f2f2][/size:794321f2f2]

“Receiving the King James Bible only” booklet.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:794321f2f2]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:794321f2f2]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:794321f2f2][color=darkblue:794321f2f2]DIRECTORY[/color:794321f2f2][/size:794321f2f2]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1948', '1f5dcdb714', '', 'Those two verses are okay for a quick check. They are the two I use when second hand book buying. When there is time, I can check more thoroughly with the 12 checks.

Ezra 2:26 &quot;Geba&quot; first.

1 John 5:8 &quot;spirit&quot; second.

Then later the 12 point check to ensure it actually is PCE. Sometimes it isn\'t, but I don\'t mind, especially if it is only $8 or $12 (Australian money) for an unused second hand Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1949', 'aac8ad25fc', 'The Protector, 20 March 2011', '[img:aac8ad25fc]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:aac8ad25fc]

[color=red:aac8ad25fc]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:aac8ad25fc]

WELCOME! [i:aac8ad25fc]The Protector[/i:aac8ad25fc] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:aac8ad25fc][color=darkblue:aac8ad25fc]EDITORIAL[/color:aac8ad25fc][/size:aac8ad25fc]

CONTRASTING OLD AND NEW PENTECOSTALISM

The well known Faith teacher Kenneth Hagin was essentially of the Traditional Pentecostal view. If we take the opportunity to compare his book on intercessory prayer with a more recent book on the subject, we find the modernist so-called Pentecostal view woefully lacking in Biblical, spiritual and intellectual content.

In the first chapter, “Interceding for a nation”, Hagin begins by quoting 1 Timothy 2:1–4 from the King James Bible, “I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”

He says, “In beginning our study on intercessory prayer, we want to point out the word “first” in the above Scripture. Things work when we follow directions; therefore, we want to take the Bible literally and do exactly as it says.”

Compare that to Dutch Sheet’s book, “Intercessory Prayer”, which begins by telling an emotional story. When a Scripture gets quoted, it is from one of seven of modern versions used in the book, besides mentions of the Greek. The whole tone is world-infected, with a chapter called “pro wrestlers”.

Kenneth Copeland has an old cassette series called “Intercessory Prayer”. In that he details the problem of “feeling religion” in Pentecostalism (the messages were recorded in the early 1970s since he refers to Nixon and media scandal). Already at that time Copeland showed that some Pentecostals were in a compromised feelings-led position.

His insight from that time, sadly, rings true for the level of so-called Pentecostalism evident in the “intercessory prayer” movement that took place from the 1990s. The emphasis on feelings by huge sections of modernist Pentecostalism, especially the faddish new “Apostles”, is greatly divergent from the right ways.

Traditional Pentecostalism today is advancing forward especially from a Word of Faith view, which is so vastly different from the gimmicky teachings of the pancosmics.

“Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein” (Jeremiah 6:16).

[size=18:aac8ad25fc][color=darkblue:aac8ad25fc]NEWS[/color:aac8ad25fc][/size:aac8ad25fc]

An article on the relationship between the heart and the flesh.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/RELATIONSHIP_BETWEEN_HEART_AND_FLESH.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:aac8ad25fc]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:aac8ad25fc]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:aac8ad25fc][color=darkblue:aac8ad25fc]DIRECTORY[/color:aac8ad25fc][/size:aac8ad25fc]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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[quote:9c3babdfec]EDITORIAL
CONTRASTING OLD AND NEW PENTECOSTALISM
The well known Faith teacher Kenneth Hagin was essentially of the Traditional Pentecostal view.
...
we find the modernist so-called Pentecostal view woefully lacking in Biblical, spiritual and intellectual content.
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Kenneth Copeland ... details the problem of “feeling religion” in Pentecostalism ... Already at that time Copeland showed that some Pentecostals were in a compromised feelings-led position. 
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The emphasis on feelings by huge sections of modernist Pentecostalism, especially the faddish new “Apostles”, is greatly divergent from the right ways.[/quote:9c3babdfec]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SgByE0pX1M[/url]
According to Youtube video of Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland would they be considered Traditional Pentecostals or modernist Pentecostals?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1951', '8a88d14ff4', '', 'Hagin and Copeland should be considered Word of Faith, which continues and even advances from Traditional Pentecostalism, but has various compromises in it due to the prevalence of modern, feeling-based Pentecostalism.

However, if you compare a Copeland teaching session with a Benny Hinn story session, you will notice who at least is reading the Bible.

As concerning that &quot;laughing revival&quot;, there is nothing wrong with having a laugh in the Lord, but clearly the whole thing was hijacked and engineered toward an anti-doctrinal position, so that in one particular two hour session, Rodney Howard-Browne turned to just one Scripture verse.

At Victory Faith Centre, we preach the Faith message with the emphasis on the authority of Scripture and that the Holy Ghost is supremely intelligent.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1952', 'a3de178589', 'Mockery', 'There is also mockery at that which is not understood.

For example, in the following verse is it the learned or unlearned who make the wrong judgment?

&quot;If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?&quot; (1 Corinthians 14:23).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1953', 'c55278032e', 'Cameo', 'Thank you Matthew. I forgot to mention the Cameo text block. Should both Acts 11:28 which is one of the 12 verses to confirm be checked along with Acts 11:12 for &quot;spirit&quot; rather than &quot;Spirit?&quot;

You\'ve shared with us that Cameo\'s may have an issue here. I\'m wondering if one is safe to assume that if Acts 11:28 is correct then Acts 11:12 will also be correct?

As I do not own (yet) a Cameo I am unable to determine. I will be purchasing a Cameo from LCBP in Lansing this week and it will contain the &quot;180&quot; text block which I believe is a confirmed PCE.

Yet, since it is a Cameo I will double-check. Terry at LCBP has told me if it is not a PCE I can return it. Poor Terry (and Nichole) have so many requests to check our 12-13 verses it becomes a time consuming effort. For my part I am trying to determine how many text blocks they use and since I understand text block 180, for example, is used in all item numbers containing 180, it should be easy to determine which are and are not PCE.

Harley');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1954', '47298eced0', '', 'There is a problem with Cambridge editions were Acts 11:12 and Acts 11:28 may have one &quot;Spirit&quot; and one &quot;spirit&quot; at either place.

It would be good if LCBP/BPS knew which of their items were PCE, which would also be an advantage for their sales.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1955', '157603dfed', 'Paul\'s thorn in the flesh', 'Paul’s thorn in the flesh was not a sickness, or some other sort of physical malady. Paul was a man who, after all, had flicked a viper off his hand after it had bitten him and suffered no ill effects (Acts 28:3–6). The thorn in the flesh was a messenger of Satan, a devil in other words, and it caused Paul to go through some tough times with regard to his circumstances. Paul says, “And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.” (2 Corinthians 12:7–9). 

Some may think when reading this that God was telling him to bear up under this, he’ll just have to live with it. But the Lord told us in Luke 10:19 “Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.”. Paul had sought the Lord three times to be rid of this thing and God’s answer was that His grace was sufficient. God was telling Paul that he already had the God-given grace, power and authority as a born-again believer to stand against this thing in faith for it to be removed. God has given every believer the power to fight our own spiritual battles, and to have victory over them, like Paul did, and also be able to say, “I have fought a good fight, I have finished [i:157603dfed]my [/i:157603dfed]course, I have kept the faith:” (2 Timothy 4:7)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1956', 'fd72db83d7', '', 'I spoke with LCBP just today on this matter. The web site will be updated soon and they intend to create a FAQ page. I suggested they address which particular items contained which text block. While I cannot guarantee this will happen, it is encouraging. Another interesting statement made was around the bibles that contain the Scofield notes. What I heard was an admission that there are spelling issues and what I thought was a suggestion that they would be attempting to correct this.

Perhaps they might begin working on correcting their texts to conform to the PCE?

In the meantime they cannot and should not, in my opinion, just get rid of their entire stock of bibles. I think we are all in agreement that any King James Bible is superior to any modern version. Yet if they are considering and willing to phase them out and the PCE in over time, that would certainly be preferred.

I told them I will continue to support their ministry and pray for their continued success. I would much rather support a publisher than ONLY produces the King James (black text even) regardless of whether it is PCE than a publisher that is publishing modern versions.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1957', '61028a3138', 'Certainly', '[quote:61028a3138]I would much rather support a publisher than ONLY produces the King James (black text even) regardless of whether it is PCE than a publisher that is publishing modern versions.[/quote:61028a3138]
Certainly, though we should keep in mind that God is raising up and will raise up KJB publishers that exclusively produce the PCE. This is a stand of faith.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1958', 'c13d837782', 'The Protector, 27 March 2011', '[img:c13d837782]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:c13d837782]

[color=red:c13d837782]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:c13d837782]

WELCOME! [i:c13d837782]The Protector[/i:c13d837782] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:c13d837782][color=darkblue:c13d837782]EDITORIAL[/color:c13d837782][/size:c13d837782]

THE WAY IT HAPPENED

People regard history as a series of chance events. However, this is far from the truth. “And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding”. (Daniel 2:21).

Cecil Rhodes wrote, “Fancy Australia discovered and colonised under the French flag, what would it mean? merely several millions of English unborn that at present exist?” Not so, for every place where Britain could hold, and where her people could live, there was a testimony for her.

What ambitious project, of great cost to the government of Britain, which reaped so soon rewards for her, to colonise lands on the other side of the world, and that they should be among the richest countries in the world.

Why did God plant the British in Australia? The French were interested in the lands, after all. When the founding colony fleet arrived in 1788, a French expedition was already present at Botany Bay.

France had two problems: Romanism and the Revolution. Britain had neither. Surely, God cared to show himself even to the furthest part of the habitable globe. “He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.” (Psalm 98:3).

[size=18:c13d837782][color=darkblue:c13d837782]NEWS[/color:c13d837782][/size:c13d837782]

An article on the relationship between the heart and the flesh.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/RELATIONSHIP_BETWEEN_HEART_AND_FLESH.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:c13d837782]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:c13d837782]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:c13d837782][color=darkblue:c13d837782]DIRECTORY[/color:c13d837782][/size:c13d837782]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1959', '3b9c8b9f2c', 'biblia.com and ref.ly have PCE online and references', 'http://biblia.com/content/about

Press on the book button, find &quot;King James Version&quot;, it is PCE.

While the layout seems to follow the paragraph edition rather than tradition, and they have words of Christ in red, including in Revelation, they do seem to have the correct wording and fairly thorough references also.

http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Gen1.1 click on &quot;more&quot; at bottom to see whole Bible.

They also have this service:

http://ref.ly/

You can use the codes to refer to any verse:

http://ref.ly/Ezr2.26;KJV

I don\'t know why they also have an  &quot;Authorized Version&quot;, which is clearly the Concord Edition, while the &quot;King James Version&quot; is the PCE.

But anyway, you can compare them, for example, look at the italics here:

http://ref.ly/Ex38.28;KJV  or  http://biblia.com/bible/kjv1900/Ex%2038.28  --- PCE
http://biblia.com/bible/kjv/Ex38.28   --- Concord');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1960', '7504772da8', 'The Protector, 3 April 2011', '[img:7504772da8]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:7504772da8]

[color=red:7504772da8]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:7504772da8]

WELCOME! [i:7504772da8]The Protector[/i:7504772da8] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:7504772da8][color=darkblue:7504772da8]EDITORIAL[/color:7504772da8][/size:7504772da8]

TEXTUAL CRITICISM AND RECOVERING THE PERFECT BIBLE

There is a great assumption in the world that nothing can be perfect. Many Christians have the same belief about things that exist today. But let’s consider the Bible. It says,

“He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.” (Deut. 32:4).

God is perfect. He is all powerful. That means that He is able to manifest perfection TODAY.

For example, the Bible was written perfectly by inspiration. Yet, in the copying process, mistakes were made. It seems like almost no one believes that there could be a perfect Bible today, because there are too many factors which disallow it.

But God is greater than all things that could stop the Bible from existing perfectly today.

Man tries his best to get as close as possible with the Bible’s words. This is called “textual criticism”. However, “textual criticism” is never enough alone, because it ultimately comes down to guesswork and to the conclusion that there is no perfect Bible.

Furthermore, many who engage in “textual criticism” now get into the dangerous area of changing the Word of God. “What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.” (Deut. 12:32).

If men are striving to get as close as possible, yet never attaining, this is not good enough. The way to attain is to have a belief in the power and promises of God. We can rely on the word which says, “As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.” (Psalm 18:30).

This means that there are only a few possible beliefs that Christians could have:
1. God’s Word is not in any single place on Earth today perfectly, it is lost and might one day in the future be recovered, we never know, or
2. God’s Word is perfect today, and is found.

There is no Scripture to back up the first belief, which is based on worldly (not heavenly) wisdom. The second belief is correct, “Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.” (Jer. 15:16).

[size=18:7504772da8][color=darkblue:7504772da8]NEWS[/color:7504772da8][/size:7504772da8]

An article on the relationship between the heart and the flesh.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/RELATIONSHIP_BETWEEN_HEART_AND_FLESH.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:7504772da8]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:7504772da8]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:7504772da8][color=darkblue:7504772da8]DIRECTORY[/color:7504772da8][/size:7504772da8]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1961', '3c66053fd9', '', 'I have heard yesterday that LCBP\'s CCC Bible | Item # 110D3B may indeed be PCE. It has centre column references too.

D = designer (top grain cowhide)
3 = 3 piece stitched leather cover
B = black');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1962', '42652cd50a', 'The Protector, 10 April 2011', '[img:42652cd50a]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:42652cd50a]

[color=red:42652cd50a]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:42652cd50a]

WELCOME! [i:42652cd50a]The Protector[/i:42652cd50a] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:42652cd50a][color=darkblue:42652cd50a]EDITORIAL[/color:42652cd50a][/size:42652cd50a]

PUBLISHERS AWAKEN

One King James Bible publisher recently wrote, “There is a fierce debate about the text of particular Bible versions. It took over 150 years for the KJV Bible to settle into a fixed form and even now readers seek the ‘Pure Cambridge Edition’, the supposedly authorized, authorized version from the mists of time around 1900.  Those of us who also publish Oxford settings are not too delighted with that notion!” Source: http://www.bibles-direct.co.uk/blog/?p=134

“The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.” (Ps. 68:11).

“Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.” (Jer. 15:16).

My response to that publisher is as follows:

There are King James Bible lovers who want to get hold of and use Pure Cambridge Edition KJBs. If I knew what items were being printed by R. L. Allan &amp; Son on this line, I would tell people about it (people constantly send me emails asking for good quality Pure Cambridge Edition Bibles.)

If publishers “who also publish Oxford settings are not too delighted with that notion”, they might best submit to market forces and at least make sure they are printing some PCEs (besides whatever else they want to do). Of course, my wish is that all publishers would print only the PCE all the time, but at least publishers should see the opportunity and sensibleness of providing a particular desired KJB edition.

I know it might be a bit of a challenge for some to acquiesce to the “received standard” — to be sure — just like the Cambridge University Press did under Thomas Turton in the 1830s, when Cambridge pretty much turned to following the Oxford 1769 Edition-tradition (retaining, of course, the Cambridge spellings in a few places). It was the right decision, and really, it paid off for CUP big time.

From there, the Cambridge University Press eventually developed the Pure Cambridge Edition (which is the authentic KJB edition today). So if a quality publisher like R. L. Allan is going to print and bind Pure Cambridge Editions like the Cameo, I think such moves will be met with great esteem, and will do nothing to hinder sales of “Cambridge King James Bibles”. As long as they are “Pure” Cambridge, of course.

Perhaps it might seem like a quibble, but it is important to have knowledge of what exact lettering is now accepted as the final authority of final authorities.

[size=18:42652cd50a][color=darkblue:42652cd50a]NEWS[/color:42652cd50a][/size:42652cd50a]

An article on the relationship between the heart and the flesh.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/RELATIONSHIP_BETWEEN_HEART_AND_FLESH.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:42652cd50a]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:42652cd50a]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:42652cd50a][color=darkblue:42652cd50a]DIRECTORY[/color:42652cd50a][/size:42652cd50a]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1963', '89b581aa25', '', '[quote:89b581aa25=\"bibleprotector\"]I have heard yesterday that LCBP\'s CCC Bible | Item # 110D3B may indeed be PCE. It has centre column references too.

D = designer (top grain cowhide)
3 = 3 piece stitched leather cover
B = black[/quote:89b581aa25]

See the first Bible presented in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo1-skICgeY&amp;feature=channel_video_title');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1964', '16704f9212', 'Item #180E3B is not a PCE', 'I recently purchased the Hand-Size Text Bible, Item #180E3B since I confirmed with LCBP that any item with 180 in the number would be using the same text block.

Upon arrival I found that I John 5:8 has &quot;Spirit&quot; rather than the correct &quot;spirit.&quot; Acts 11:12 and Acts 11:28 read &quot;spirit.&quot; This is clearly a non-PCE Cameo setting with the deliberate change in I John 5:8 as admitted by Cambridge.

The quality of this Bible is outstanding and includes both the Epistle Dedicatory AND the Translators to the Reader, so I am opting to keep this Bible and will correct I John 5:8 myself so it reads lower case. Or I may just leave it as is since I know the capitalization is in error. I haven\'t decided.

My guess is that LCBP still has some PCE text blocks but it will be difficult to determine based upon item numbers. Certainly some of the item numbers containing the 180 or 110 text block are PCE while others such as mine fail the I John 5:8 check.

For those of us in the United States, I would encourage supporting LCBP since they are a ministry publishing King James Bibles at cost. Unlike even Cambridge and Oxford, they do not and will never publish any Bible other than the King James.

I am not affiliated with them in any way. We should continue to encourage them to use the PCE text as a standard, understanding they have stacks upon stacks of text blocks that are either Oxford with Scofield notes, PCE, and non-PCE...but still King James.

Harley');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1965', '2c4de4c8af', '', '[quote:2c4de4c8af]Certainly some of the item numbers containing the 180 or 110 text block are PCE[/quote:2c4de4c8af]

I have one with that text block that is plain text, and it is PCE.

The man from the you tube video I posted above assures me that the centre column CCC ones are PCE.

# 120EB1

# 110D3B 

I have contacted LCBP to have them confirm before I buy one myself to check. I have also contacted R. L. Allan, and the distributors for Collins Bibles in Australia. I am still awaiting reponses.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1966', '99aa0d1287', '', 'It appears that they are not PCE. I have not heard anything from LCBP yet, but I hope people are encouraging them to print PCEs.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1967', '75acef3918', 'Response to some false accustions', 'http://www.stufffundieslike.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=354

[quote:75acef3918]What fundies don\'t know is this[/quote:75acef3918]

I am very open on the website concerning my KJBO, Pentecostal, historicist, creation, etc. views. There is no hidden agenda.

[quote:75acef3918]i) The PCE myth originated in Australia with these guys - http://www.bibleprotector.com/ - after the Lord spoke to them in visions about becoming the protectors of the PCE.[/quote:75acef3918]

Actually, there were no visions, and so the Lord did not &quot;say&quot; anything of the sort via that method, nor by voice, nor by dreams.

[quote:75acef3918]ii) Those guys have a church in Victoria - this is the website - http://www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/quote:75acef3918]

Same website.

[quote:75acef3918]iii) Victory Faith Centre stands for the continuation of the true Protestant, Puritan, Evangelical, Holiness, Fundamentalist and Faith Pentecostal tradition of the Christian religion, maintaining that there is indeed a true and correct doctrine which must be obeyed.[/quote:75acef3918]

Of course there is a true doctrine which must be obeyed. Any true Christian knows that. It is entirely normal and proper for Christians to instruct others to follow the truth.

[quote:75acef3918]iv) One of their pastors/elders is a woman[/quote:75acef3918]

We are not hiding that fact. But that has nothing to do with whether the PCE is actually right or not.

[quote:75acef3918]One of the guys from that church, Matthew I think, goes onto IFB forums as bibleprotector, and basically converts them all to PCE by pretending to be IFB. He never mentions the visions he received etc etc. [/quote:75acef3918]

Well, I talk to all kinds of KJBOs being one myself so I am not pretending. And yes, I hope to convince others that the PCE is the best. But there is nothing sinister or deceptive about that. Also, there are no visions to mention, because I never had any as is being accused here.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1968', '53619f6e25', 'Attest.', 'I too can attest that everything has been done openly and without guile. Only false accusers would say otherwise.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1969', '2076e0e399', 'KJB Only and Church Unity', '&quot;Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?&quot; (James 3:11).

It is amazing to see blatant contradictions in the way people think and act when they swallow the modern version myths. For example, one well-known faith preacher went into considerable detail about the major problems that modern versions have in putting private interpretations into 2 Corinthians 12:7 when compared to the King James Bible (he\'s obviously KJB preference), yet in the same sermon proceeded to quote from modern versions as though they bolstered his arguments in other areas.

On a personal level, I have had interaction with people who clearly express that they are KJB only and believe the KJB to be the very Word of God, yet proceed to fellowship at churches that clearly fight against the KJB and propagate modern versions. One young man I challenged to go to a KJB only church, yet for reasons unknown to me (social? entertainment? - God knows, of course), proceeded on his merry way to continue with modernist version churches. This type of behaviour simply has to stop if there is to be proper revival. &quot;But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.&quot; (Hebrews 6:8).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1970', '5b1a5cf60d', 'Re: Attest.', '[color=darkblue:5b1a5cf60d]Hi Folks,[/color:5b1a5cf60d]

[quote:5b1a5cf60d=\"KJBman777\"]I too can attest that everything has been done openly and without guile. Only false accusers would say otherwise.[/quote:5b1a5cf60d] 
[color=darkblue:5b1a5cf60d]Amen.  Attacks like that one are very strange, and seem to come forth from one realm of Baptist insularity.  The Christian doctrinal world is large, and the PCE - Australia folks have always been straight arrow.  

False accusers often are powerless to come up with anything against the pure word of God, so they seek to attack messengers instead.

Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:5b1a5cf60d]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1971', '00695d7317', 'The Protector, 17 April 2011', '[img:00695d7317]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:00695d7317]

[color=red:00695d7317]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:00695d7317]

WELCOME! [i:00695d7317]The Protector[/i:00695d7317] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:00695d7317][color=darkblue:00695d7317]EDITORIAL[/color:00695d7317][/size:00695d7317]

RUMOURS OF WAR

Jesus said, “And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.” (Matthew 24:6).

The Bible gives information about nations which shows that what we have observed in the past is no accident, and what we observe today is fulfilling prophecy. That means that we can know things about the future. It also means that we have no need to be alarmed or fearful.

Revelation 16:12 says, “And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.”

Euphrates in Bible prophecy indicates the Turks. Over the years, Turkey has diminished from an empire to one country... a country which is about to become affected by another prophecy so that the drying up process will complete, Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39.

In that prophecy, a great northern power, which is Russia, is to rise and invade Israel. Russia does not act alone, but has various confederates, “Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya” (Ezekiel 38:5).

Persia (Iran), Ethiopia and Libya all exist today. Iran and Libya are Islamic, while Ethiopia has a large proportion of Eastern/Coptic Orthodox and other Christian population, the rest being Islamic.

When these nations come together, Israel will be in a false state of peace, “After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.” (Ezekiel 38:8).

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[color=red:00695d7317]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:00695d7317]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:00695d7317][color=darkblue:00695d7317]DIRECTORY[/color:00695d7317][/size:00695d7317]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1972', 'fd07e8edfb', 'The Protector, 24 April 2011', '[img:fd07e8edfb]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:fd07e8edfb]

[color=red:fd07e8edfb]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:fd07e8edfb]

WELCOME! [i:fd07e8edfb]The Protector[/i:fd07e8edfb] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:fd07e8edfb][color=darkblue:fd07e8edfb]EDITORIAL[/color:fd07e8edfb][/size:fd07e8edfb]

CALL TO THE PEOPLE OF AUSTRALIA

The following was given by eminent and leading persons in Australia in 1951, which contains many allusions to Scripture, and is an appeal, really, to the following from the heart of the teaching of Biblical Christianity. The only way that such an ideal may be truly realised is that a person is born again: Easter time and ANZAC day are apt for such a call.

[size=24:fd07e8edfb][i:fd07e8edfb]Call to the People of Australia[/i:fd07e8edfb][/size:fd07e8edfb]

There are times in the histories of peoples when those charged with high responsibilities should plainly speak their minds.

Australia is in danger. We are in danger from abroad. We are in danger at home. We are in danger from moral and intellectual apathy, from the mortal enemies of mankind which sap the will and darken the understanding and breed evil dissensions. Unless these are withstood, we shall lack moral strength and moral unity sufficient to save our country and our liberties.

Our present dangers are a challenge to us, but, in meeting the challenges of history, peoples grow in greatness.

The dangers demand of all good Australians community of thought and purpose. They demand a restoration of the moral order from which alone true social order can derive.

We remind all Australians that we are members one of another, dependant even for our daily bread on the work of many. From the community we have our livelihood, culture, protection in a reign of law. To the community we owe a just return of loyalty and service.

WE BELIEVE

[list:fd07e8edfb]that each of us has a duty to defend the community against evil designs and aggressions and to preserve for our children that which was given to us.
that each of us has a duty to deal fairly with his fellows in the transactions of life.
that each of us has a duty to himself and to his fellows of honest work.
that the development of a true community amongst ourselves and with all people of good will is the one way to peace at home and abroad.[/list:u:fd07e8edfb]

THEREFORE

We call for a new effort from all Australians to advance moral standards.

We ask from individuals in their personal and vocational relationships; in and through the lives of families; in and through all our voluntary associations, trade unions, employers\' and professional groups, the organisations of women, of servicemen, and all the societies which our people have created to express their cultural, social and economic interests.

We call for an adequate understanding of the nature of the law and of its necessity as the principle of order in a free society.

We call on all Australians to take the active concern in public affairs proper to citizens of a free society.

We call on each Australian to examine his conscience and his motives in all his associations with his fellows. If each does his part, the whole community will be renewed.

We call on our people to think now of the future into which our children go, that we may shape it well and wisely for them.

We call on our people to remember those whose labours opened this land to the uses of mankind; those who bore and reared the children of a new nation; those who died in battle for us, bringing splendour to Australian arms; those who worked with mind and muscle for the heritage which we, please God, shall hold and enlarge for our children and their children.

And that this may be so, we ask that each shall renew in himself the full meaning of the call which has inspired our people in their highest tasks and in their days of danger.

FEAR GOD, HONOUR THE KING.

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An article on the relationship between the heart and the flesh.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/RELATIONSHIP_BETWEEN_HEART_AND_FLESH.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:fd07e8edfb]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:fd07e8edfb]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:fd07e8edfb][color=darkblue:fd07e8edfb]DIRECTORY[/color:fd07e8edfb][/size:fd07e8edfb]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1973', '679e6beb62', 'Accusations', 'Although there are many people accusing KJB only believers of being heretics, this is, in fact, an example of &quot;Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!&quot; (Isaiah 5:20).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1974', 'b30a712f4d', 'Is \'two edges\' the same as \'twoedged\'?', 'Heb 4:12  For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any [b:b30a712f4d]twoedged[/b:b30a712f4d] sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 
Rev 1:16  And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp [b:b30a712f4d]twoedged[/b:b30a712f4d] sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 
Rev 2:12  And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with [b:b30a712f4d]two edges[/b:b30a712f4d]; 

Is \'two edges\' the same as \'twoedged\'?
I\'m assuming it is; just curious as to why different spelling.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1975', '53f30b5180', 'Sword.', 'The first two verses you quoted are merely describing the sword and so use &quot;twoedged&quot;. Note these verses end in a full stop, showing that nothing else is being emphasised about the sword.

Revelation 2:12 ends in a semicolon and is related to Revelation 2:13 by describing the functionality of the sword, so uses &quot;two edges&quot;.

&quot;I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, [i:53f30b5180]even[/i:53f30b5180] where Satan\'s seat [i:53f30b5180]is[/i:53f30b5180]; and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas [i:53f30b5180]was [/i:53f30b5180]my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.&quot; (Revelation 2:13).

The first edge relates to &quot;thou holdest fast my name&quot;. The second edge relates to &quot;hast not denied my faith&quot;. Clearly the Word of God - the sword of the Spirit - helps in both these things, especially for these believers who dwelt where Satan\'s seat was.

Praise God for the beautiful accuracy of the King James Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1976', '803761ade8', '', 'Thanks; there\'s always a reason for the way God conveys His message.
[quote:803761ade8]The first edge relates to &quot;thou holdest fast my name&quot;. The second edge relates to &quot;hast not denied my faith&quot;.[/quote:803761ade8]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1977', '63b054b1a4', 'future tampering of the Bible', 'When I use the &quot;enter net&quot; , like fish , I have to avoid the baited hook of all redirection on most sites, to attain the core info I\'m looking for.
 
&quot;E&quot; books have now over taken sales of paper backs.
As the redirects and traps of the internet bait people into unneeded purchases , so it is with distorting content of passages of the Bible.

In the near future this manipulation and corruption of E Bibles will accelerate.

I have a kjv Bible that I can hold, and the content cannot be tampered with. In the future the &quot;E &quot; Bible will be the choice of our youth for many reasons. 
 Oil and water does not mix, niether does correction without the Love and peace of Christ Jesus.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1978', 'f60df02ba2', 'The Protector, 1 May 2011', '[img:f60df02ba2]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:f60df02ba2]

[color=red:f60df02ba2]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:f60df02ba2]

WELCOME! [i:f60df02ba2]The Protector[/i:f60df02ba2] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:f60df02ba2][color=darkblue:f60df02ba2]EDITORIAL[/color:f60df02ba2][/size:f60df02ba2]

400 YEARS OF TRIUMPH

The King James Bible has been blessed of God with 400 years of triumph. Of course, the world has its distractions, like the superstitious rituals which emanate from the Vatican, but the King James Bible cannot be stopped, neither is its influence slackening.

“So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.” (Acts 19:20).

There are some people who talk like Christianity is utterly failing. But the issue is not with the Word of God.

In the parable of the sower, the seed always worked. The issue was never the seed. The issue was always what kind of ground it was planted in. Bad ground yields poor results. That’s not the seed’s fault.

The Word of God is present today. “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD” (Amos 8:11).

Notice the prophecy says that the famine is in the hearing of the Word. The Bible is present. It is all over the internet, in libraries, etc. The problem is that the Bible is not being received with hearing ears by many Christians.

The Lord warns Christians today not to be half hearted. He goes on to say, “He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.” (Rev. 3:22).

It is wonderful that there are those who do hear, and do support the King James Bible. I am very glad for the support and prayer that I receive in teaching about the King James Bible from the Word of God.

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An article on the relationship between the heart and the flesh.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/RELATIONSHIP_BETWEEN_HEART_AND_FLESH.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:f60df02ba2]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:f60df02ba2]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:f60df02ba2][color=darkblue:f60df02ba2]DIRECTORY[/color:f60df02ba2][/size:f60df02ba2]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1979', '4c8d9d9efb', 'Documentaries on the KJB', 'There are a few documentaries about the King James Bible which have come out recently. One is Adam Nicolson\'s BBC production, &quot;When God spoke English&quot;. This documentary is quite informative, but is spoilt by Nicolson\'s leering demeanour, especially when supporting the false accusations that the English Puritans were sold a dud Bible, and that one of the translators was a drunkard.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1980', 'a71773b8d0', 'Privilege', 'It is a great privilege to be a King James Bible only believer in Christ.

Praise God for the first 400 years of the King James Bible.

If the Lord tarries, the next 400 years will be even more triumphant!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1981', 'c33d4e16db', 'The Protector, 8 May 2011', '[img:c33d4e16db]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:c33d4e16db]

[color=red:c33d4e16db]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:c33d4e16db]

WELCOME! [i:c33d4e16db]The Protector[/i:c33d4e16db] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:c33d4e16db][color=darkblue:c33d4e16db]EDITORIAL[/color:c33d4e16db][/size:c33d4e16db]

THE RESTORATION OF THE JEWS

In “A Glance At The History ... Of English Nonconformity”, J. Bicheno attempts to argue that God was especially raising up true Anglo-Protestant Christianity, and he foresaw the day of the degrading and corruption of old “High” Anglicanism.

Writing around 1798, Bicheno added a postscript to his pamphlet, saying that they were entering the time of the sixth vial, which he interpreted to be the pouring out of God’s wrath on the Ottoman (Turk) Empire. He also appealed for hope that England should be especially favoured at that time.

“Now we are to be looking for the restoration of the Jews, ... To pretend to determine, positively, how this is to be brought about, would be arrogance; the probability is that the Turkish power being over turned in Palestine, by some invading enemy, that enemy will think it politic and necessary, for the promotion of its own schemes, to invite the Jews to take possession of their ancient patrimony, and to make one cause with themselves. For , without the support of some powerful nation, how are the dispersed, disorganised Jews, to collect their numbers and unite their energies, so as to produce the effects predicted? We know God can work miracles; but we also know he usually works by second causes.

“(On the future restoration and glory of the Jewish people, after a long seasons and dispersions, consult Lev. ch. 26, Deut. 4:25–31, Isa. 6:9–13; ch. 11; ch. 18.)

“I shall now only add that Egypt, it is probable, will be an easy conquest, (Isa. 11) and a thoroughfare for the returning sons of Abraham, to the country of their ancestors.”

What is amazing is that this is quoted in a secular book “Anzacs and Israel” by Kelvin Crombie as being an accurate prediction. (The book highlight’s Australia’s special place in Israel, and argues from a secular perspective that it is in Australia’s national interest to continue to help the Jews.)

1. The French did invade Egypt and begin to take power from the Turks (1798).
2. The English did possess Egypt, and take power from the Turks (1882).
3. The British and ANZACs were instrumental in fighting against the Turks and opening up the Jewish resettlement (1917, etc.)
4. The nation of Israel was restored in part (1948, 1980).

(See www.bibleprotector.com/AN_INTRODUCTION_TO_THE_SIXTH_TRUMPET_PROPHECY.pdf )

That sixth vial poured out on Euphrates has been slowly and surely drying up, but Turkey is still in power in Anatolia, and the Islamic religion is yet active in its warfare, and we are yet to see the events of the Russian invasion of Israel and the consequential future conversion of the Jews to Protestantism.

“Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.” (Isa. 45:21, 22).

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An article on the relationship between the heart and the flesh.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/RELATIONSHIP_BETWEEN_HEART_AND_FLESH.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:c33d4e16db]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:c33d4e16db]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
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Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1982', '08651452e3', 'The Protector, 15 May 2011', '[img:08651452e3]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:08651452e3]

[color=red:08651452e3]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:08651452e3]

WELCOME! [i:08651452e3]The Protector[/i:08651452e3] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:08651452e3][color=darkblue:08651452e3]EDITORIAL[/color:08651452e3][/size:08651452e3]

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN “EVIL DOER” AND AN “EVILDOER”?

There is a difference between the word “evildoers” and the words “evil doers”. Not only does this have difference in sound and pronunciation, but also a meaning difference.

We are told, “I have hated the congregation of evil doers; and will not sit with the wicked.” (Psalm 26:5).

This means that the evil doers are a class of people, and since they cannot be called “the evil” like “the wicked”, the word “doers” is added.

Psalm 37:1 says, “Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.” There are also other verses which link “evildoers” with those who work iniquity.

This means that the “evildoers” are specifically those that do evil.

These distinctions are present in our King James Bible (Pure Cambridge Edition), and show that every word and letter in English are important. “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matt. 5:18).

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“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:08651452e3]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:08651452e3]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
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Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1983', '81c75d23cd', 'e-Sword PCE typo Isa 12:4?', 'Would this be considered a typo in the PCE e-Sword and The Word softwares.

Should be \'Praise the LORD,\' not \'Praise the LORD ,\'?

Isa 12:4  And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD , call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1984', '2aebe24297', '', 'There may be a problem with them in a few places like that with the word &quot;LORD&quot;.

However, it is correct in the Bible Protector files as well as Brandon Stagg\'s SwordSearcher (besides being also correct in other locations).

The problem is with whoever has formatted those modules.');
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[b:4e1c72535e]I can\'t see a difference; is there one?[/b:4e1c72535e]

Rom_3:30  Seeing it is one God, which shall [b:4e1c72535e]justify the circumcision by faith[/b:4e1c72535e], and [b:4e1c72535e]uncircumcision through faith[/b:4e1c72535e]. 
Heb 11:27  [b:4e1c72535e]By faith he[/b:4e1c72535e] forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible. 
Heb 11:28  [b:4e1c72535e]Through faith he[/b:4e1c72535e] kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them. 
Heb 11:29  [b:4e1c72535e]By faith they[/b:4e1c72535e] passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned. 
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[b:4e1c72535e]Through faith[/b:4e1c72535e]

Rom_3:25  Whom God hath set forth to be a [b:4e1c72535e]propitiation through faith[/b:4e1c72535e] in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 
Rom_3:30  Seeing it is one God, which shall [b:4e1c72535e]justify[/b:4e1c72535e] the circumcision [b:4e1c72535e]by faith[/b:4e1c72535e], and uncircumcision through faith. 
Rom_3:31  Do we then make [b:4e1c72535e]void[/b:4e1c72535e] the law [b:4e1c72535e]through faith[/b:4e1c72535e]? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. 
Gal_3:8  And the scripture, foreseeing that God would [b:4e1c72535e]justify[/b:4e1c72535e] the heathen [b:4e1c72535e]through faith[/b:4e1c72535e], preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 
Gal_3:14  That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the [b:4e1c72535e]promise[/b:4e1c72535e] of the Spirit [b:4e1c72535e]through faith[/b:4e1c72535e]. 
Eph_2:8  For by grace are ye [b:4e1c72535e]saved through faith[/b:4e1c72535e]; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 
2Ti_3:15  And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto [b:4e1c72535e]salvation through faith[/b:4e1c72535e] which is in Christ Jesus. 
Heb_6:12  That ye be not slothful, but followers of them [b:4e1c72535e]who through faith[/b:4e1c72535e] and patience inherit the promises. 
Heb_11:3  [b:4e1c72535e]Through faith we[/b:4e1c72535e] understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. 
Heb_11:11  [b:4e1c72535e]Through faith[/b:4e1c72535e] also [b:4e1c72535e]Sara[/b:4e1c72535e] herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised. 
Heb_11:28  [b:4e1c72535e]Through faith he[/b:4e1c72535e] kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them. 
Heb_11:33  [b:4e1c72535e]Who through faith[/b:4e1c72535e] subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, 
Heb_11:39  And [b:4e1c72535e]these all[/b:4e1c72535e], having obtained a good report [b:4e1c72535e]through faith[/b:4e1c72535e], received not the promise: 
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[b:4e1c72535e]By faith[/b:4e1c72535e]

Rom_1:17  For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall [b:4e1c72535e]live by faith[/b:4e1c72535e]. 
Rom_3:22  Even the righteousness of God which is [b:4e1c72535e]by faith of Jesus Christ[/b:4e1c72535e] unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 
Rom_3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is [b:4e1c72535e]justified by faith[/b:4e1c72535e] without the deeds of the law. 
Rom_5:1  THEREFORE being [b:4e1c72535e]justified by faith[/b:4e1c72535e], we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 
Rom_5:2  By whom also we have [b:4e1c72535e]access by faith[/b:4e1c72535e] into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 
Rom_11:20  Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou [b:4e1c72535e]standest by faith[/b:4e1c72535e]. Be not highminded, but fear: 
Gal_3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall [b:4e1c72535e]live by faith[/b:4e1c72535e]. 
Gal_3:22  But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the [b:4e1c72535e]promise by faith[/b:4e1c72535e] of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. 
Gal_3:24  Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be [b:4e1c72535e]justified by faith[/b:4e1c72535e]. 
Gal_3:26  For ye are all the [b:4e1c72535e]children[/b:4e1c72535e] of God [b:4e1c72535e]by faith[/b:4e1c72535e] in Christ Jesus. 
Gal_5:5  For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of [b:4e1c72535e]righteousness by faith[/b:4e1c72535e]. 
Eph_3:17  That [b:4e1c72535e]Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith[/b:4e1c72535e]; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 
Heb_10:38  Now the just shall [b:4e1c72535e]live by faith[/b:4e1c72535e]: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. 
Heb_11:4  [b:4e1c72535e]By faith Abel[/b:4e1c72535e] offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. 
Heb_11:5  [b:4e1c72535e]By faith Enoch[/b:4e1c72535e] was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. 
Heb_11:7  [b:4e1c72535e]By faith Noah[/b:4e1c72535e], being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. 
Heb_11:8  [b:4e1c72535e]By faith Abraham[/b:4e1c72535e], when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went. 
Heb_11:9  [b:4e1c72535e]By faith he[/b:4e1c72535e] sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: 
Heb_11:17  [b:4e1c72535e]By faith Abraham[/b:4e1c72535e], when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 
Heb_11:20  [b:4e1c72535e]By faith Isaac[/b:4e1c72535e] blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come. 
Heb_11:21  [b:4e1c72535e]By faith Jacob[/b:4e1c72535e], when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff. 
Heb_11:22  [b:4e1c72535e]By faith Joseph[/b:4e1c72535e], when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones. 
Heb_11:23  [b:4e1c72535e]By faith Moses[/b:4e1c72535e], when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king’s commandment. 
Heb_11:24  [b:4e1c72535e]By faith Moses[/b:4e1c72535e], when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter; 
Heb_11:27  [b:4e1c72535e]By faith he[/b:4e1c72535e] forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible. 
Heb_11:29  [b:4e1c72535e]By faith they[/b:4e1c72535e] passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned. 
Heb_11:30  [b:4e1c72535e]By faith[/b:4e1c72535e] the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days. 
Heb_11:31  [b:4e1c72535e]By faith the harlot Rahab[/b:4e1c72535e] perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1986', 'ac3227984e', 'By and through', 'You may need to study this out yourself but it\'s clear that &quot;by&quot; talks about the operation (so we see the operation of faith in the lives of those in Hebrews 11 - how they got results), and &quot;through&quot; talks about the way.

&quot;by faith&quot; - that\'s how we obtain something

&quot;through faith&quot; - that\'s the way we go to obtain something');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1987', '6f9b4330c4', 'The Protector, 22 May 2011', '[img:6f9b4330c4]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:6f9b4330c4]

[color=red:6f9b4330c4]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:6f9b4330c4]

WELCOME! [i:6f9b4330c4]The Protector[/i:6f9b4330c4] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:6f9b4330c4][color=darkblue:6f9b4330c4]EDITORIAL[/color:6f9b4330c4][/size:6f9b4330c4]

WHY IT IS GOOD AND ACCEPTABLE TO HAVE “GEBA” AT EZRA 2:26

Many King James Bible editions do not have the word “Geba” at Ezra 2:26. The issue of whether a King James Bible Edition spells Geba/Gaba does not actually change any fundamental doctrine of Scripture (either way). However, there is a reason why the issue should be ultimately settled.

“And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures” (2 Timothy 3:15a). Knowing the Scripture should also mean that it is good to know exactly what words belong. After all, Matthew 5:18 teaches that God would not fail to preserve the jots and tittles of Scripture. Therefore, they must be somewhere and known today.

If the Pure Cambridge Edition is right in other places that we can categorically state, then it should be right in the few other places of difficulty.

If the 1638 or 1769 editors made editorial changes in spelling, this can be allowed as late as and in the PCE.

The word “Geba” is found in the Bishops’ and some other Reformation English Bibles.

It can quite easily be a printing error from 1611 that persisted for years.

The parallel passage of Nehemiah 7:30 supports “Geba”, and the Hebrew is the same at both places.

The word “Gaba” in Joshua 18:24 is listed with different towns than Ezra/Nehemiah.

When Josiah established the law from “Geba to Beer-sheba” it is interesting that the Cambridge versus Oxford Edition rendering of Joshua 19:2 concerns “Beer-sheba”, just as the “Geba” rendering is in the 20th century Cambridge, called the Pure Cambridge Edition.

Ironically, modern scholarship, going against the Latin Vulgate and the LXX, all support “Geba”. If the princes of this world had known it, they would have all made it Gaba, following the Latin Vulgate and LXX.

THE BIBLE IS STILL VERY POPULAR

It is intresting to note that in popular books, the Bible ranks very highly. In fact, references to and about the Bible continue in entertainment and current affairs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo6dW-7ZhfQ&amp;t=7m15s

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An article on the relationship between the heart and the flesh.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/RELATIONSHIP_BETWEEN_HEART_AND_FLESH.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:6f9b4330c4]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:6f9b4330c4]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:6f9b4330c4][color=darkblue:6f9b4330c4]DIRECTORY[/color:6f9b4330c4][/size:6f9b4330c4]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1988', '31c17ed2ee', 'The Protector, 29 May 2011', '[img:31c17ed2ee]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:31c17ed2ee]

[color=red:31c17ed2ee]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:31c17ed2ee]

WELCOME! [i:31c17ed2ee]The Protector[/i:31c17ed2ee] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:31c17ed2ee][color=darkblue:31c17ed2ee]EDITORIAL[/color:31c17ed2ee][/size:31c17ed2ee]

The founders of the “Grand Protestant Confederation” in Melbourne, wrote in 1844 that they had, “lately left a land of freedom, where civil and religious rights and liberties of every citizen are maintained by the laws, where a licentious rabble, of a certain creed, is curbed by a powerful military and police force, yet, notwithstanding the continual presence of such force, if it has been found for the last 150 years absolutely necessary to uphold the [i:31c17ed2ee]Grand Protestant Confederation,[/i:31c17ed2ee] and all its ramifications, throughout Great Britain and Ireland, how much more necessary in a place like this town [Melbourne] (where the domineering faction has already trampled under foot the rights and privileges of the community) to form themselves into a Society for mutual protection against the aggressions of those who fearing no God, nor regarding the laws, have with the utmost impunity every private right and public privilege of the Protestant citizens, nay, sought the very lives of such as dared to act in word or deed contrary to the tyrannical behests of a Popish Rabble.

“Courteous Reader — As a free Protestant citizen of Melbourne, the Founders of this Lodge would respectfully ask of you, whether you are willing to surrender your right of private judgment, and your civil and religious privileges into the hands of an ignorant, lawless and savage Popish Mob?”

As strong as some of the claims appear to be, the active work of Protestants Orders did keep Catholics at bay in Victoria’s early years.

&quot;They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them. But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you.&quot; (Gal. 4:17, 18).

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An article on the relationship between the heart and the flesh.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/RELATIONSHIP_BETWEEN_HEART_AND_FLESH.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:31c17ed2ee]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:31c17ed2ee]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:31c17ed2ee][color=darkblue:31c17ed2ee]DIRECTORY[/color:31c17ed2ee][/size:31c17ed2ee]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1989', 'a75b19492c', 'The translation of the saints', '&quot;I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.&quot; (2 Corinthians 12:2-4).

These verses refute those who say the translation (or rapture) of the saints cannot happen before the great tribulation coming. There are examples, as previously pointed out in this study, where historical translations have happened - Enoch, Elijah and Jesus. The verses cited above showed that Paul was convinced that someone &quot;[b:a75b19492c]in the body[/b:a75b19492c]&quot; could be &quot;[b:a75b19492c]caught up to the third heaven[/b:a75b19492c]&quot; - there was no problem in Paul\'s mind concerning this scenario. So too should we, who profess to believe, think that the translation of the saints is not only possible for God to do but also not a problem at all.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1990', 'e8b07adaba', 'The Protector, 5 June 2011', '[img:e8b07adaba]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:e8b07adaba]

[color=red:e8b07adaba]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:e8b07adaba]

WELCOME! [i:e8b07adaba]The Protector[/i:e8b07adaba] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:e8b07adaba][color=darkblue:e8b07adaba]EDITORIAL[/color:e8b07adaba][/size:e8b07adaba]

THE BIBLE FOR THE FUTURE

Many people and many languages did not have the Bible for years, even in the time while the King James Bible has existed.

“And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?” (Daniel 4:35).

God is in control. Those who see that God has especially blessed the King James Bible also look to the time when the King James Bible is the world standard. The perfection of the King James Bible is only being understood and discovered in time.

The reason why “modern English” gets the special treatment is really because of providential factors. It is generally recognised that English is global. One day we expect it to be more universal. So it fits in with the idea of having a perfect Bible, that the KJB is really the only Bible God has ultimately designed for everyone to have.

“So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.” (Isaiah 55:11).

[size=18:e8b07adaba][color=darkblue:e8b07adaba]NEWS[/color:e8b07adaba][/size:e8b07adaba]

An article on the relationship between the heart and the flesh.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/RELATIONSHIP_BETWEEN_HEART_AND_FLESH.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:e8b07adaba]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:e8b07adaba]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:e8b07adaba][color=darkblue:e8b07adaba]DIRECTORY[/color:e8b07adaba][/size:e8b07adaba]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1991', 'b73681850f', 'Riplinger and others agree with the Cambridge KJB', 'Gail Riplinger has come out in favour of a position that is very, very close to the Pure Cambridge Edition. This is good news, in that she recognises the need for correctness and making a stand against modern changes to King James Bibles.

I am very thankful for this, and appreciate her positive approach on the issue. While I want to see more people using the King James Bible, my hope is that King James Bible believers will agree that the Cambridge tradition is correct.

http://www.ourkjv.com/KJB.pdf

There is a lot of good stuff there, and plenty of good things to discuss, and only a few areas that I would address. These points are not in depth, and they are just my quick laying out of ideas in response to some areas.

1. She says that the edition we stand for &quot;has been presumptuously named the ‘Pure Cambridge Edition’ (PCE).&quot; It may seem presumptuous to some, but the name was sincerely given, and has stuck.

2. She writes, &quot;It is an generally out-of-print Cambridge setting, determined to be ‘pure’ by Mr. Verschuur, a young Pentecostal man from Australia.&quot; It was recognised as &quot;pure&quot; by the three Elders of our traditional Pentecostal Church, not me alone.

3. She says, &quot;But his final conclusions, that the Cambridge setting he uses is in all points superior to other Cambridge settings, cannot be defended, at every point.&quot; Of course, all of us can agree on almost every point, so the few places where it may be more difficult, I think that PCE is correct, and that there are things which show in favour of it in those few places. Mrs Riplinger is not yet convinced, but at least her present opinion on the issue is far better than those who support modernised so-called &quot;KJV Bibles&quot;.

4. She says, &quot;On these points he relies on his ‘Pentecostal’ experiences to defend them, as described in his book.&quot; Remember, there is no specific Pentecostal doctrine that is at stake on the few areas where there may be an orthographic issue. Of course, the view at my Church is that a Spirit-filled Christian is in the best position to find out about these areas.

5. She also writes, &quot;The righteous rigor with which King James Bible users have defended the KJB cannot be carried forward onto a debate between the orthography of one or two words (i.e. Spirit and Geba), which have seemed to defy historical and theological resolution for centuries.&quot; It is correct that the nature of the discussion concerning these few words among King James Bible believers should be much better than against enemies of the King James Bible.

6. Concerning 1 John 5:8, she writes, &quot;Sundry other printers, including Verschuur’s PCE: \'spirit\'”. Well, it is not just &quot;my&quot; PCE. In this issue the PCE does match the 1769 Edition.

7. She writes, &quot;Unfortunately, Mr. Verschuur (PCE) insists that lower case ‘s’ is correct in 1 John 5:8. In his discussion of 1 John 5:8, he states that his choice is based upon what he calls ‘Pentecostal doctrine,’ which doctrine, he says, is contained in his ‘Pure’ Cambridge Edition.” His misunderstanding of the usage of the word ‘spirit’ and ‘Spirit’, based upon his Pentecostal theology, causes him to be adamant about his decision here.&quot; It is not specifically a Pentecostal argument, but yes, there are theological reasons why I think it should be lower case. After all, since many Cambridge Editions agreed together with these particulars, and they are right elsewhere, I think they are right in these few places also. (Having said that, I recognise that plenty of people have the King James Bible with a capital &quot;S&quot; there, and it has not historically been a specific theological issue.)

8. She continues, &quot;Having looked at Bibles worldwide and back through time, I can confirm that both lower case and capital ‘S’ can be correct. Neither is an error.&quot; I would agree that the word &quot;error&quot; should not be improperly used, and that we must be aware not to cause a stumblingblock. However, I do support having a correct presentation, and that it should be resolved as one rather than the other. Let me also add that many fine Christians and well-used Bibles have had &quot;Spirit&quot; rather than &quot;spirit&quot; at that verse, and I think that God in His sufficiency and grace has blessed Bible believers despite such issues.

9. Mrs Riplinger lists the 1638 Edition as an important historical milestone, but does not give as much credit to the 1769 Oxford Edition as others would.

10. I don’t know how much good it will do petitioning Cambridge (except for our pro-KJB PR of course!). I think the issue is in believers’ hands, rather than CUP’s.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1992', '1697a91722', 'Riplinger and www.ourKJV.com on the Cambridge Edition', 'Gail Riplinger has come out in favour of a position that is very, very close to the Pure Cambridge Edition.
 
http://www.ourkjv.com');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1993', '3a4bea0de7', '', 'Cambridge University Press in America sent someone this letter June 3, 1985, in which they admit to changing the word &quot;spirit&quot; to &quot;Spirit&quot;,

“I don\'t know how to say this to you other than to be perfectly honest. We are very grateful to you even though you have put your finger on a matter of some embarras[s]ment regarding the lower case \'s\' in Spirit, reference 1Jn.,5:8.

“There is no way of knowing how many years this particular edition has carried the misprint. Our Bible department in England was astounded that this has never been noticed before. I assumed some mysterious theological question was involved and overlooked the obvious in my search of commentaries.

“This error of course, will be corrected in subsequent printings thanks to your sharp eyes. Again, we are very grateful.”

It is signed, Jerry L. Hooper.

Source: www.ourKJV.com

The lower case &quot;s&quot; on &quot;spirit&quot; was not a misprint, but was deliberately retained in old editions, and allowed to remain over the years. (They confess &quot;ignorance&quot;. The time was 1985, when the NKJV and others had now taken over. CUP were willing to make changes. Their attitude was one of making even more changes around 1990 with David Norton\'s project of making changes).

To say it is a &quot;misprint&quot; is only because there is an assumption that the word &quot;spirit&quot; must always be with a capital &quot;S&quot;, even though there are plenty of examples in the KJB where it has lowercase, including references relating to God. Also, commentaries do not neccesarily require &quot;Spirit&quot; (even if such typography is used today), as might be seen from examples, such as Augustine\'s interpretation, John Gill\'s exposition and others... (this is hardly &quot;Pentecostal&quot; bias!)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1994', 'fbb9b184c5', 'The &quot;spirit&quot; case.', 'Riplinger in this says: &quot;His misunderstanding of the usage of the word ‘spirit’ and ‘Spirit’, based upon his Pentecostal theology, causes him to be adamant about his decision here. Having looked at Bibles worldwide and back through time, I can confirm that both lower case and capital ‘S’ can be correct. Neither is an error.&quot;

Sadly, this is flawed reasoning. Her statement on causality is in error. Matthew\'s research was not based on a Pentecostal viewpoint of the PCE but rather a historical, providential viewpoint. It became clear that &quot;spirit&quot; not &quot;Spirit&quot; was correct.

It is a pity that Riplinger cannot make a stand here about &quot;Spirit&quot; and &quot;spirit&quot; in 1 John 5:8 and this greatly undermines her methodology in research. [b:fbb9b184c5]Both words CANNOT be correct at the same time since they have separate and distinct meanings.[/b:fbb9b184c5] The word &quot;Spirit&quot; means something DIFFERENT from the word &quot;spirit&quot; and this is the crucial issue as has been shown many times on this forum alone.

We must ask Riplinger to take a stand for one or the other and answer this:
&quot;[b:fbb9b184c5]Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?[/b:fbb9b184c5]&quot; (1 Corinthians 5:6b).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1995', '9facd06959', 'Gail Riplinger and the 1 John 5:8 proper lower case', '[color=darkblue:9facd06959]Hi Folks,
[/color:9facd06959]
[quote:9facd06959=\"bibleprotector\"]Gail Riplinger has come out in favour of a position that is very, very close to the Pure Cambridge Edition. 
http://www.ourkjv.com[/quote:9facd06959]
[color=darkblue:9facd06959]Interesting. Thanks

From the discussion in the other moderator\'s posting section:[/color:9facd06959]
[color=darkred:9facd06959]
Riplinger and others agree with the Cambridge KJB
http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=558[/color:9facd06959]

[color=darkblue:9facd06959]we see that an ongoing discussion, a concern of Gail Riplinger, is whether the proper lower case [i:9facd06959]spirit[/i:9facd06959] in 1 John 5:8 is connected with &quot;Pentecostal theology&quot;. Gail Riplinger\'s concern likely came from the PCE Guide that says:[/color:9facd06959]

[color=darkred:9facd06959]bibleprotector
... I then came to understand the meaning of the word “spirit” with a lowercase “s”, and its connection to proper Pentecostal doctrine, namely, that the Spirit is to work in the human spirit (such as Christian sanctification and the impartation of knowledge), as well as His Pentecostal filling of it.[/color:9facd06959]
[color=darkblue:9facd06959]
Similarly in The Protector, Nov 2010 (url below) you can see that this is given as related to the &quot;born again&quot; experience.[/color:9facd06959]
[color=darkred:9facd06959]
On the issue of 1 John 5:8 having a lowercase “spirit”, it is nothing to do with whether or not I am Pentecostal. The doctrine there is not about Pentecostalism, but about having the witness of our spirit that we are born again, as the next verse states, “If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.” [/color:9facd06959]
[color=darkblue:9facd06959]
So I would like to point out that the historical understanding of the proper lowercase[i:9facd06959] spirit[/i:9facd06959] really can be totally different from, independent of,  the question of &quot;born again&quot;.  While this is a legitimate Pentecostal-Baptist discussion, I believe that a careful study of 1 John 5:[/color:9facd06959]

[color=indigo:9facd06959]1 John 5:7-8 
For there are three that bear record in heaven, 
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: 
and these three are one.
And there are three that bear witness in earth, 
the spirit, and the water, and the blood: 
and these three agree in one.[/color:9facd06959]

[color=darkblue:9facd06959] shows the capitalization is based on simpler criteria, which I would describe as:[/color:9facd06959]
[color=darkred:9facd06959]
the spirit, and the water, and the blood - in primary interpretation, have to do directly with the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ.[/color:9facd06959]

[color=darkblue:9facd06959]With each element of the verse pointing to verses in the Johannine Gospel accounts.[/color:9facd06959]

[color=indigo:9facd06959]John 19:30 
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar,
he said, It is finished:
and he bowed his head,
and gave up the ghost.

John 19:34 
But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, 
and forthwith came there out blood and water.[/color:9facd06959]

[color=darkblue:9facd06959]Note, this is not to prevent additional interpretative understandings, such as the water relating to baptism.

And this I placed on a thread:[/color:9facd06959]
[color=darkred:9facd06959]
1 John 5:8 - &quot;spirit..water..blood&quot; - lower case s
http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=531
[/color:9facd06959]
[color=darkblue:9facd06959]In the thread I only gave one main interpreter, however historically this is a very solid and wide-ranging part of 1 John interpretation.

This simpler interpretative understanding may well have influenced 1637, 1638, 1769, etc. as shown here.[/color:9facd06959]
[color=darkred:9facd06959]
The Protector, 14 November 2010
http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=487&amp;sid=2588ed7f2d362029a95e9811738e7fc7
[/color:9facd06959]
[color=darkblue:9facd06959]So I believe if Gail Riplinger is more fully informed on the pure Bible interpretations of 1 John 5:8 she can very fully see that the lower case [i:9facd06959]spirit[/i:9facd06959] is proper, capitalization is improper. Without having any doctrinal strain about whether Pentecostal doctrine is involved :) .

Shalom,
Steven Avery  [/color:9facd06959]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1996', '6825257d59', '', 'Virtually all Pentecostals would wrongly assume that 1 John 5:8 should be capital &quot;S&quot;.

It is more likely that today\'s superficial Pentecostal doctrine would require the capital.

The issue is not anything to do with Pentecostalism versus something else.

It is a historical fact that &quot;spirit&quot; was there lower case in 1629, 1638, 1769 and in the many PCE printings of the twentieth century.

There are plenty of reasons why. One is that the list of 1 John 5:8 is things, spirit, water and blood.

The very next verse reads, &quot;If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater&quot;. That witness is &quot;spirit&quot;. Anyone who is born again has it ... being born again is a common doctrine, nothing to do with some specific Pentecostal doctrine.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1997', 'f1f7465faf', 'The Protector, 12 June 2011', '[img:f1f7465faf]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:f1f7465faf]

[color=red:f1f7465faf]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:f1f7465faf]

WELCOME! [i:f1f7465faf]The Protector[/i:f1f7465faf] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:f1f7465faf][color=darkblue:f1f7465faf]EDITORIAL[/color:f1f7465faf][/size:f1f7465faf]

NO ADDING OR TAKING AWAY FROM THE KING JAMES BIBLE

Since first launching the Bible Protector website in January 2007, there has been a growing awareness of the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible.

There has been a great problem where publishers have been making new unauthorised changes to the King James Bibles they print. The Bible says,

“Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.” (Deut. 4:2).

It is good to know that people are justly concerned about the issue. Christians must ensure that King James Bibles are not tainted with modern corruptions.

For further reading on what King James Bible believers are now thinking in this area, follow this link:

http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1991

[size=18:f1f7465faf][color=darkblue:f1f7465faf]NEWS[/color:f1f7465faf][/size:f1f7465faf]

An article on the relationship between the heart and the flesh.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/RELATIONSHIP_BETWEEN_HEART_AND_FLESH.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:f1f7465faf]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:f1f7465faf]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:f1f7465faf][color=darkblue:f1f7465faf]DIRECTORY[/color:f1f7465faf][/size:f1f7465faf]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('1998', '0c2c6c8773', 'The Protector, 19 June 2011', '[img:0c2c6c8773]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:0c2c6c8773]

[color=red:0c2c6c8773]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:0c2c6c8773]

WELCOME! [i:0c2c6c8773]The Protector[/i:0c2c6c8773] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:0c2c6c8773][color=darkblue:0c2c6c8773]EDITORIAL[/color:0c2c6c8773][/size:0c2c6c8773]

THE BIBLE SHOWS THE FUTURE

Sir Isaac Newton was a famous scientist. However, he also did extensive studies of Bible prophecy, which helped develop the historicist school of interpretation.

Newton proposed some year dates that would point to the times of restitution. He wrote, “The 2300 prophetic days did not commence before the rise of the little horn of the He Goat.” This means that the 2300 days of Daniel 8 must begin after Grecia and Alexander the Great. Logically, “Those days did not commence after the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by the Romans 70 A.D.”

The little horn in fact must come after Alexander’s Empire was divided into four. The 2300 years can be put to 275 B.C. where Rome won against the Greeks, and when the Old Testament was translated into Greek.

Newton proposed various dates for the beginning of the 1260 year period of Papal power, which is now usually dated to 538 A.D., finishing in 1798 A.D.

The Bible also speaks of a 1290 and a 1335 year period. Newton was generally on the right track, but was far from perfect in his knowledge.

The false prophets and false gods cannot be compared to the truths which are revealed in the Bible: “Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come. Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.” (Isaiah 41:22, 23).

[size=18:0c2c6c8773][color=darkblue:0c2c6c8773]NEWS[/color:0c2c6c8773][/size:0c2c6c8773]

An article on the relationship between the heart and the flesh.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/RELATIONSHIP_BETWEEN_HEART_AND_FLESH.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:0c2c6c8773]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:0c2c6c8773]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:0c2c6c8773][color=darkblue:0c2c6c8773]DIRECTORY[/color:0c2c6c8773][/size:0c2c6c8773]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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[color=red:292531e28c]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:292531e28c]

WELCOME! [i:292531e28c]The Protector[/i:292531e28c] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:292531e28c][color=darkblue:292531e28c]EDITORIAL[/color:292531e28c][/size:292531e28c]

THE PURE CAMBRIDGE EDITION IS AVAILABLE

There is new a presentation showing where people can obtain Pure Cambridge Edition King James Bibles at [url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

“Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.” (Jer. 15:16).

The Pure Cambridge Edition has been identified, and stands, even though Cambridge University Press admit to changing the PCE, [url]http://www.ourkjv.com/CambridgeLetter.pdf[/url]. Thankfully, “the word of God is not bound.” (2 Tim. 2:9).

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An article on the relationship between the heart and the flesh.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/RELATIONSHIP_BETWEEN_HEART_AND_FLESH.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:292531e28c]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:292531e28c]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

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Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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Why do so many Christians today continue to LIE about what they really believe about “the Bible”?  Actually, the majority are beginning to be more honest in their beliefs and are admitting that they do not believe “The Bible IS the inerrant words of God”.
 
 See the documented facts for this here: “The Bible is NOT the infallible words of God” - 
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/thebiblenotinspired.htm
 
God is a God of truth and He cannot lie  (Titus 1:2) and we His people are supposed to speak truth one with another. “Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: (Eph. 4:25)
 
God says in His word - “Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are His delight.”  Proverbs 12:22
 
God’s word also tells us that the last days will be characterized by LYING. “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils (Yea, hath God said...?) SPEAKING LIES IN HYPOCRISY...” 1 Timothy 4:1-2
 
If you go to almost any Christian website or Church home page they tell you what they supposedly believe about “The Bible”. You will usually read words to the effect of “We believe the Bible IS the inerrant and infallible word of God.”  Notice their use of a present tense verb “is” as though it were something that EXISTS now.  However, if you press them about it, you soon come to find out they are not talking about any real or tangible “hold it in your hands, read and believe every word is true” type of Bible. No, they don’t really believe such a thing exists.  Then they begin their backtracking, Double-Speak Dance by saying something like “Oh well, only the originals ARE inspired and inerrant.”  Well, my Christian friend, there ARE no originals and everybody knows it.  
 
Then they come up with a really lame and absurd statement like the one found in the well known Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy. 
 
See http://brandplucked.webs.com/chicagostate.htm
 
“Translations of Scripture ARE the Word of God to the extent that they faithfully represent the original.”  Pious sounding statements like this are absurdly hypocritical on several levels.
 
 First of all, they have never seen a single word of these originals a day in their lives and the originals never did make up a 66 books in one volume Bible to begin with. Secondly, it is absurd to affirm that &quot;translations are the Word of God to the extent that they faithfully represent the original&quot;, when they HAVE no original to compare ANY translation to!  So how could they possibly know if what they have come up with at their Bible of the Month Club “represents the original” or not? 
 
They try to give you the impression that they have “the originals” or a copy of them right there in front of them and they’re looking to see if their “late$t and be$t ver$ion” matches the originals or not. THEY ARE LYING.
 
To take the position of “only the originals are inspired and inerrant” is to leave the Christian with no inerrant Bible NOW, and there is no getting around this obvious truth.
 
A far more honest “statement of inerrancy” based on what they really believe  (and most other Christians today too) would go something like this: “IF the originals had survived and WOULD HAVE BEEN placed into a single volume consisting of 66 inspired books, THEN THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN the inerrant and 100% historically true Bible we could have believed in.  Unfortunately God did not do it this way and so we just have to do the best we can with what we have and nobody is really sure about or in total agreement with everybody else about what any particular reading or text might be. So, go with God and hope for the best.”
 
Even AFTER I pointed these things out to a Christian man named Matthew, he came back with this statement: “I believe the originals are inerrant and I believe the stream and transmission we have is the best we can expect. I do not see any reason to assume error as we continue to strive forward we have more access to affirming a bible as close to the originals as possible.” 
 
He still doesn’t get it, does he.  There ARE no originals, so how could he possibly know he is “close to the originals as possible” or not?
 
By the way, this Matthew also posted that he “likes” the NKJV, the NASB and the ESV. Apparently he is either unaware or “sees no reason to assume error” in the fact that among these three modern versions they differ textually by literally thousands of words, including numerous whole verses, and a couple of them reject scores of Hebrew readings, and hundreds of verses have completely different meanings.  Matthew also tells us that he thinks Mark 16:9-20 and  1 John 5:7 don’t really belong in the Bible, but he still maintains that he “sees no reason to assume error.”  Does this modern day Christian’s lackadaisical attitude toward the words of the living God look anything like what we see in the Bible of those “that tremble at His word”? (Isaiah 66:5) 
 
All I am asking for is more honesty from folks when it comes to saying what they REALLY believe about the Bible.  I, along with thousands of other Christians, am a King James Bible believer.  We do not have to LIE when we say we believe the King James Bible IS the complete, inspired, inerrant and 100% historically true words of God. That is what we really believe.
 
You do not have to agree with us on this.  You may think we are completely wrong, ignorant, uneducated, “divisive”,  the spawn of Satan, a “Cult” or what seems to be even worse - a Ruckmanite :-0  But at least we tell you what we really believe and are not LYING ABOUT IT.
 
By the way, this same Matthew posted a poll called “Is KJV onlyism a cult”. It seems more than a tad ironic that in his mind Christians who actually believe their Bible IS the inerrant words of God belong to a Cult, but apparently those who don’t believe that ANY Bible in ANY language IS inerrant are now considered to be “Orthodox”.  We do live in interesting times, don’t we.
 
IF you are an “originals only” type of Christian who believes that ONLY the originals were inspired and inerrant, and that “No translation is perfect”, then just say so. Be honest about it. But don’t stand in the pulpit or write on your blog things like “We believe the Bible IS the inerrant words of God”, when you have no such Bible anywhere in print to give to anyone, and you know you don’t.  STOP LYING ABOUT IT!
 
If you are an “originals only” type of Christian with a non-existent, hypothetical “word of God” and all you can hope for is an ever changing, evolving, ballpark approximation to what you think God may or may not have written (though none of you agree even among yourselves), then just say so.  Go ahead with your “I believe only the originals were inspired and inerrant” and leave it at that. It is good that you say “The Bible contains the truth that Christ died for our sins and rose from the dead and those that believe on Him shall receive forgiveness of sins.”  We believe that too and want it preached.  But don’t use pious sounding words or religious phrases like “the Bible IS infallible” or “the Scriptures ARE the inerrant words of God” when you don’t really believe it for a second.  STOP LYING ABOUT IT!
 
“Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.”  Isaiah 66:5
 
Will Kinney
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[color=red:53edf912db]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:53edf912db]

WELCOME! [i:53edf912db]The Protector[/i:53edf912db] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:53edf912db][color=darkblue:53edf912db]EDITORIAL[/color:53edf912db][/size:53edf912db]

CHANGING A LITTLE IS CHANGING A LOT

Those who think that the King James Bible can be “updated” by just changing a few words to contemporary spellings have a big problem.

The King James Bible is a perfect text and translation. Jesus indicated that the very words were important when he said, “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:18).

What would authorise any changes to being with, and what would limit them? “A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.” (Gal. 5:9). Changing one place means that another dozen could be changed.

One man recently embarked on changing a few words beginning from Matthew 1:1. He decided to change “generation” to “genealogy”. These are two different words with two different meanings. We cannot pretend that these are the same. And besides the conceptual changes, there are euphonic and metrical considerations.

Dean Burgon wrote, “Rhythm, subtle associations of thought, proprieties of diction which are rather to be felt than analysed, — any of such causes may reasonably determine a Translator to reject ‘purpose,’ ‘journey,’ ‘think,’ ‘pain,’ ‘joy,’ — in favour of ‘intent,’ ‘travel,’ ‘suppose,’ ‘ache,’ ‘gladness.’ 
But then it speedily becomes evident that, at the bottom of all this, there existed in the minds of the Revisionists of 1611 a profound (shall we not rather say a prophetic?) consciousness, that the fate of the English Language itself was bound up with the fate of their Translation.” See www.bibleprotector.com/burgon_1882.pdf

Even Edward Hills recognised the dangers of so-called updating the King James Bible, “It is possible, if the Lord tarry that in the future the English language will change so much that a new English translation of the Bible will become absolutely necessary. But in that case any version which we prepare today would be equally antiquated. Hence this is a matter which we must leave to God, who alone knows what is in store for us. For the present, however, and the foreseeable future no new translation is needed to take the place of the King James Version.”

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An article on the relationship between the heart and the flesh.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/RELATIONSHIP_BETWEEN_HEART_AND_FLESH.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:53edf912db]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:53edf912db]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:53edf912db][color=darkblue:53edf912db]DIRECTORY[/color:53edf912db][/size:53edf912db]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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Of course, this is true if everyone knows that the KJB is perfect. After all, the KJB was rightly assumed by many to be the original in English.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2003', '52e556b2b9', 'Yes.', '[quote:52e556b2b9]We do not have to LIE when we say we believe the King James Bible IS the complete, inspired, inerrant and 100% historically true words of God. That is what we really believe.[/quote:52e556b2b9]
Amen. And we do not have to do the mental gymnastics that we see many modern versionists do to justify their essential unbelief in God\'s words being available today.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2004', 'f478271048', '...and end the 400 year old tradition of misleading...', 'And while we are on the topic, I wish the modern version proponents would rally together and have some courage to revise those modern versions by REMOVING the verses that are not supposed to be included, because &quot;earliest /oldest/ best manuscripts omit....&quot; them. Remove the &quot;Comma Johanneum&quot; in 1 John 5:7-8. Remove the &quot;Pericope de Adultera&quot; in John 7:53-8:11. And don\'t stop thereremove the books that never should have been included in the Canon in the first place! Follow the full advice of the [i:f478271048]venerable[/i:f478271048] Dr. Kurt Aland by removing the Catholic/General Epistes (James, I &amp; II Peter, I, II, &amp; III John and Jude) and Pastoral Epistles (I &amp; II Timothy and Titus), along with Hebrews and Revelations, and make sure to explain that the Gospels were NOT written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John and that the author of these books is still unknown. Make sure to clarify which of Paul’s Epistles that will be included were truly written by Paul vs. written by someone else who may or may not have correctly captured Paul’s instructions.

Remove them and all footnotes. You say they don\'t belong, so just remove it all without any apology or explaination - you are correct after all and have all the evidence you need.

End this 400 year old tradition of misleading the masses with incorrect information.  Exercise your sober judgment with courage, after all, these verses and books do not belong in the &quot;bible&quot; and never should have been added. Your motivation after all is to make sure God (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost – Doctrine of the Trinity) is glorified, that His perfect word is made available, and that through this bible Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God is preached?

Am I missing something?

Having started with the Authorised Version when I first came to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ as a child, I returned to the Authorised Version after many years of using modern versions for this very reason. There can only be one truth.  Either my Authorised Version is correct or since all the modern versions are nearly identical they have to be correct. For me the matter is solved: I will continue to use my Authorised Version.

Harley');
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They\'d have to agree on Jonah being in a great fish or sea monster.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2006', '3b27b953f2', 'The Protector, 10 July 2011', '[img:3b27b953f2]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:3b27b953f2]

[color=red:3b27b953f2]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:3b27b953f2]

WELCOME! [i:3b27b953f2]The Protector[/i:3b27b953f2] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:3b27b953f2][color=darkblue:3b27b953f2]EDITORIAL[/color:3b27b953f2][/size:3b27b953f2]

SIGNS IN THE WORD OF GOD

We read in Revelation 1:1, “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John”.

This tells us that the book of Revelation is not a book of doom and gloom for the people of God. Those who read as if things are difficult or impossible for the church are not understanding it properly.

Prophecy is about understanding the things of the Spirit. This does not always relate to the future, though that is a strong and important element in prophecy. Today, we can already observe many prophecies fulfilled. (This is a good proof for Biblical infallibility).

The Bible says that it is a revelation for the people of God. It is revealing the truth. We are told how it is revealed, because it says “signified”, which means, the use of signs. So we can validly see many symbols or representations in Revelation.

The big key is not just to take things as literal phenomena, but to see that the things we read about from chapter 4 to chapter 16 are largely symbolical. And the timeframe? Not just the future, but already in the past.

Revelation 10, for example, talks about the showing forth of a book to the world. This has been interpreted to mean the Bible, and the Gospel from the time of the Reformation. If we examine more specifically, we find even more clues: “And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth” (Revelation 10:3a).

Talking about a lion roaring is not just poetic language, it has a purpose. Every word in the Bible has a purpose. Interestingly, the lion is used as a symbol for England and Britain, and the power of the speaking and printing of the Scripture from there can be symbolised as a load roaring lion. When this passage is examined, it is easily an indication of the King James Bible in history.

&quot;And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.&quot; (Revelation 10:11).

[size=18:3b27b953f2][color=darkblue:3b27b953f2]NEWS[/color:3b27b953f2][/size:3b27b953f2]

An article on the relationship between the heart and the flesh.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/RELATIONSHIP_BETWEEN_HEART_AND_FLESH.pdf[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:3b27b953f2]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:3b27b953f2]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:3b27b953f2][color=darkblue:3b27b953f2]DIRECTORY[/color:3b27b953f2][/size:3b27b953f2]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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Matthew 6:13 Is your bible a &quot;Catholic&quot; bible?

Matthew 6:13 &quot;And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: FOR THINE IS THE KINGDOM, AND THE POWER, AND THE GLORY, FOR EVER. AMEN.&quot;

One of the most notable differences between the Catholic bible versions and the Protestant Reformation Bibles has been the ending of what is commonly referred to as the Lord\'s Prayer. If the Bible critics and &quot;No Bible is the inerrant words of God&quot; crowd can get rid of these words from the Holy Scriptures by means of their so called &quot;science&quot; of Textual Criticism, then no verse or reading is safe and sure. These last words: &quot;For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen&quot; are found in the vast Majority of all Greek texts, as well as in four copies of the Old Latin (k,,f, g, and q), which point to a Bible text that predates anything we have in the Greek copies. All these words are also found in the ancient Syriac Peshitta, Harkelian, Curetonian, and Palestinian, as well as the Coptic Boharic and Sahidic, the Georgian, Armenian, Slavonian, and Ethiopian ancient versions. In fact, of over 1000 Greek manuscripts that contain this section of Matthew\'s gospel, these words are found in all but 10 manuscripts. Dean Burgon mentions emphatically the 100 to one ratio in favor of the King James reading.

The modern English versions present a confused picture even among themselves as to the authenticity of these words. Such modern versions as the NIV, RSV, ESV, Darby, CEV, and the 2003 ISV omit these precious words, as do all Catholic versions.

However the NASB, and the 2003 Holman Christian Standard, include the words but place them [in brackets], indicating doubt as to their authenticity. Even a big name modern day Bible agnostic like John MacArthur (who himself does not really believe that ANY Bible IS the inerrant words of God) comments on these words: &quot;The doxology is simply this; “For Thine is the kingdom, the power, the glory forever, Amen.” That’s a doxology. You just say it, you just think it, you just offer it to God, you don’t dissect it. And by the way, there’s manuscript evidence that Jesus didn’t even say this, that’s why it’s not included in some of your versions of the Bible. We don’t know whether He said it or not. Some manuscripts have it, some don’t.&quot; Agnostic = One who does not know for sure. See - &quot;John MacArthur - pastor with no infallible Bible&quot; -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/johnmacarthur.htm

Other modern versions, which are still based primarily on the UBS, Westcott-Hort texts which omit hundreds and hundreds of words from the New Testament, have gone back to including these words without brackets. Among these are the New Life Bible (Lockman foundation 1969), World English Bible, the Hebrew Names Version, and the 1998 Complete Jewish Bible.

The 2002 version called The Message includes the words but paraphrases them to such a degree that they are virtually unrecognizable. It says: &quot;Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil. You\'re in charge! You can do anything you want! You\'re ablaze in beauty! Yes. Yes. Yes.&quot;

The confusion is seen in the two most recent &quot;evangelical&quot; versions to come out. The 2003 International Standard Version omits all these words, while the 2003 Holman Standard contains them.

Even the footnotes found in the modern versions that omit these words give conflicting evidence.

The RSV omits the words as does the NIV, ESV and Daniel Wallace\'s NET version, but the RSV footnotes that the reading is found in &quot;Other authorities, some ancient&quot;, whereas the NIV footnote is completely false and presents a distorted view of the evidence. The NIV footnotes tells us: &quot;Some late manuscripts include the verse&quot;. The ESV footnotes: &quot;Some manuscripts add&quot;. SOME?! Is the ratio of 100 to 1 fairly considered as &quot;SOME&quot;? As for &quot;late manuscripts&quot;, they apparently do not want you to know the reading is found in copies of SEVERAL ancient Bible versions that predate the very few manuscripts that omit these words. This is not scholarship but sleight of hand. By the way, here is Undeniable Proof that the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET etc. versions are in fact &quot;Catholic&quot; bibles and not Reformation bibles.

See http://brandplucked.webs.com/realcatholicbibles.htm

The ancient Syriac Peshitta reads: &quot; And bring us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever: Amen.?

These words are also found in the following English Bible translations: Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, The Great Bible 1540, Matthew\'s Bible (John Rogers) 1549, the Bishop\'s Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, John Wesley\'s translation of 1755, the Worsley bible 1770, Webster\'s 1833, Young\'s 1898, the NKJV 1982, the KJV 21st Century 1994, the Third Millenium Bible 1998, the Hebrew Names Version, World English Bible, the New Berkelely Version 1969, the 1987 Amplified Version all read: &quot; For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.&quot; and Green\'s Modern KJV.

The list of foreign language Bibles that include the words &quot;For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen&quot; is quite impressive. Among them are: John Calvin\'s Latin translation, the Africaans Bible 1953, the Albanian, Armenian, Basque, Bulgarian, Czech BKR, Chinese Traditional Union Version, Croatian, Danish, Dutch Staten Vertaling, Finnish bible of 1776 and 1938, French Louis Segond 1910, French Martin 1744, French Oservald 1996, the Gaelic, the Greek Orthodox Bible, Hungarian Karoli, Lithuanian, Luther\'s German 1545, German Schlachter 1951, the Modern Greek N.T. used throughout the Greek Orthodox churches all over the world, Gypsy Rhomanese, Hatian Creole, the Modern Hebrew Bible that includes the New Testament , Hungarian, Icelandic, the Italian Diodati 1649, the New Diodati 1991, Korean, Latvian, Maori bible, Norwegian Det Norsk 1930, Polish Bible Gdanska, Portuguese Almeida, Romanian Cornilescu, the Russian Synodal and Zhuromsky translations, the Shuar translation, the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras 1569, the Spanish Reina Valera 1909, 1960, 1995, La Nueva Biblia de los Hispanos 2005 (Lockman), Swahili N.T., Tagalog Ang Dating bible, Turkish, Ukranian, Uma N.T., and Vietnamese N.T. 1934.

The New Testament from Aramaic, copyright 1940 reads like the King James Bible saying: &quot;Because thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory for ever and ever. Amen.&quot;

But in the USA we have such versions that omit these words as the NIV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, ISV, NET and the New Living Translation. Why? Because they are &quot;Catholic&quot; bibles put together by the United Bible Society which is a joint effort between Catholic and Evangelical scholars, none of whom believes that ANY Bible in ANY language IS or ever was the complete, inspired and 100% historically true words of God. Again, see the proof of this charge in the link above.

Bible &quot;scholars&quot; are all over the board. What one affirms another just as confidently denies. Some argue for the legitimacy of these words and others, in spite of the MASSIVE evidence in favor of these inspired words, deny they are part of Scripture.

John Calvin includes all these words in his Latin translation and then comments: &quot;For thine is the kingdom&quot;- It is surprising that this clause, which agrees so well with the rest of the prayer, has been left out by the Latins for it was not added merely for the purpose of kindling our hearts to seek the glory of God, and of reminding us what ought to be the object of our prayers; but likewise to teach us, that our prayers, which are here dictated to us, are founded on God alone, that we may not rely on our own merits.&quot;

Adam Clarke also says regarding the Doxology - &quot;It should not, in my opinion, be left out of the text&quot;

Barnes\' Notes on the New Testament includes all these words with no hint that they are spurious and he expounds upon them in great detail.

David Guzik\'s Commentary on the Bible concludes - &quot;we should regard it as Jesus truly said it.&quot;

Likewise Matthew Henry says - &quot;Observe, how full this doxology is, The kingdom, and the power, and the glory, it is all thine.&quot; and then proceeds to expound upon them in great detail.

John Wesley believed these words form part of inspired Scripture and he both expounded upon them in his commentary and included them in his own translation made in 1755 - &quot;And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.&quot; (Wesley translation 1755)

Octavius Winslow comments on these words in Matthew 6:13 - “We see no just reason, however, to question its integrity. Found as it is in the Syriac copy, the most ancient version of the New Testament--standing as it does in close harmony with the very first petition of the prayer--and maintaining a strict analogy with the whole tenor of God\'s Word, we feel no difficulty in accepting it as genuine.”

A.W. Pink expounds upon the passage and includes the Doxology as inspired Scripture. He states: “&quot;For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.&quot; Thus the family prayer closes with a doxology or an ascription of that glory which is due unto God, thereby teaching us that prayer and praise should always go together. It is to be carefully noted that this doxology of the Divine perfections is made use of as a plea to enforce the preceding petitions: &quot;deliver us from evil for Thine is the kingdom,&quot; etc....The concluding &quot;Amen&quot; expresses both a fervent desire, &quot;so be it,&quot; and an avowal to faith, &quot;it shall be so.&quot;

Some Bible critics I have run into try to tell us that the Doxology found in Matthew 6:13 should be omitted because it is not found in a similar prayer recorded in Luke 11:1-4. These critics fail to notice the obvious. The context of Luke chapter 11 is very different from the context of Matthew chapter 6. In Matthew the Lord is giving the sermon on the mount to a great multitude. In Luke it is the disciples who come to our Lord at a different time and request that He teach them how to pray.

There are also some very serious textual changes found in the prayer pattern found in Luke 11:2-4. In the King James Holy Bible we read: &quot;And it came to pass, that, as he was praying in a certain place, when he ceased, one of his disciples said unto him, Lord, teach us to pray, as John also taught his disciples. And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, OUR Father, WHICH ART IN HEAVEN, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. THY WILL BE DONE, AS IN HEAVEN, SO IN EARTH. Give us day by day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; BUT DELIVER US FROM EVIL.&quot;

[b:8442e71dd8]All the capital lettered words have been omitted in such versions as the NIV, RSV, NASB, ESV. Every one of these omitted words are found in the vast Majority of all Greek manuscripts and in the previous Reformation Bibles like Tyndale, Coverdale, Great Bible, Matthew\'s Bible, the Bishops\' Bible and the Geneva Bible. They are also found in John Calvin\'s Latin translation, Luther\'s German Bible 1545, the Italian Diodati 1649, the Spanish Reina Bible of 1569 and the Reina Valera of 1602, and the French Martin of 1744. This was the text of the Reformation Bibles. BUT Guess which bible versions omit all these words and read just like the ESV, NIV, NASB. You got it; the Catholic bibles omit the exact same words, including the Catholic Rheims of 1582, the Douay 1950, the St. Joseph NAB of 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible of 1985! Just another coinkidink, huh? [/b:8442e71dd8]So you\'ll know that I am not making this stuff up, you can check out the 1582 Catholic Rheims bible for yourself, along with Tyndale, Cranmer Bible and the Geneva bible at this site here:

http://bible.zoxt.net/hex/hex.htm

Then check your ESV, NIV, NASB, NET etc. to see how they read when compared to the Catholic versions. It\'s right there in front of you in black and white print. So all this &quot;scholar-speak&quot; about &quot;We now have older and better manuscripts&quot; (Vaticanus) and their constant droning on about &quot;the latest in manuscript discoveries&quot; and &quot;The KJV translators didn\'t have access to these older readings&quot; etc. is just a bunch of Baloney! Go ahead and choke on it, and then toss those bogus bibles of yours and get yourself the real Bible - the Authorized King James Holy Bible that you can hold in your hands (unlike those phantom &quot;originals only&quot;) read and believe that every word is the complete, inspired and inerrant words of the living God.

The NIV, NASB and ESV omit all these capitalized words primarily on the basis of 4 manuscripts, yet among these four so called &quot;oldest and best&quot; out of the 45 Greek words found within just three verses, no two of them agree with each other in 32 out of the 45 words found here! And the new version Critical Text scholars call this a &quot;science&quot;!

The Modern Greek New Testament used throughout the Greek Orthodox churches all over the world reads exactly like the King James Bible and the Reformation Bibles in both Matthew 6:13 and in Luke 11:2-4. Here is the Modern Greek reading for Luke 11:2-4 -Verse 2. - &#917;&#953;&#960;&#949; &#948;&#949; &#960;&#961;&#959;&#962; &#945;&#965;&#964;&#959;&#965;&#962;· &#927;&#964;&#945;&#957; &#960;&#961;&#959;&#963;&#949;&#965;&#967;&#951;&#963;&#952;&#949;, &#955;&#949;&#947;&#949;&#964;&#949;· &#928;&#945;&#964;&#949;&#961; &#951;&#956;&#969;&#957; &#959; &#949;&#957; &#964;&#959;&#953;&#962; &#959;&#965;&#961;&#945;&#957;&#959;&#953;&#962;, &#945;&#947;&#953;&#945;&#963;&#952;&#951;&#964;&#969; &#964;&#959; &#959;&#957;&#959;&#956;&#945; &#963;&#959;&#965;, &#949;&#955;&#952;&#949;&#964;&#969; &#951; &#946;&#945;&#963;&#953;&#955;&#949;&#953;&#945; &#963;&#959;&#965;, &#947;&#949;&#957;&#951;&#952;&#951;&#964;&#969; &#964;&#959; &#952;&#949;&#955;&#951;&#956;&#945; &#963;&#959;&#965; &#969;&#962; &#949;&#957; &#959;&#965;&#961;&#945;&#957;&#969;, &#954;&#945;&#953; &#949;&#960;&#953; &#964;&#951;&#962; &#947;&#951;&#962;· Verse 3. - &#964;&#959;&#957; &#945;&#961;&#964;&#959;&#957; &#951;&#956;&#969;&#957; &#964;&#959;&#957; &#949;&#960;&#953;&#959;&#965;&#963;&#953;&#959;&#957; &#948;&#953;&#948;&#949; &#949;&#953;&#962; &#951;&#956;&#945;&#962; &#954;&#945;&#952;\' &#951;&#956;&#949;&#961;&#945;&#957;· Verse 4. &#954;&#945;&#953; &#963;&#965;&#947;&#967;&#969;&#961;&#951;&#963;&#959;&#957; &#949;&#953;&#962; &#951;&#956;&#945;&#962; &#964;&#945;&#962; &#945;&#956;&#945;&#961;&#964;&#953;&#945;&#962; &#951;&#956;&#969;&#957;, &#948;&#953;&#959;&#964;&#953; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#951;&#956;&#949;&#953;&#962; &#963;&#965;&#947;&#967;&#969;&#961;&#959;&#965;&#956;&#949;&#957; &#949;&#953;&#962; &#960;&#945;&#957;&#964;&#945; &#945;&#956;&#945;&#961;&#964;&#945;&#957;&#959;&#957;&#964;&#945; &#949;&#953;&#962; &#951;&#956;&#945;&#962;· &#954;&#945;&#953; &#956;&#951; &#966;&#949;&#961;&#951;&#962; &#951;&#956;&#945;&#962; &#949;&#953;&#962; &#960;&#949;&#953;&#961;&#945;&#963;&#956;&#959;&#957;, &#945;&#955;&#955;\' &#949;&#955;&#949;&#965;&#952;&#949;&#961;&#969;&#963;&#959;&#957; &#951;&#956;&#945;&#962; &#945;&#960;&#959; &#964;&#959;&#965; &#960;&#959;&#957;&#951;&#961;&#959;&#965;.

The Lord Jesus Christ either said all these words and they are inspired Scripture and belong in the Bible, or they are not and should be omitted. Remember, He emphatically stated &quot;Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.&quot;

So how about it? Are you a Bible believer or, like so many Christians today, a Bible agnostic who says: &quot;We don’t know whether He said it or not.&quot;?

The King James Bible is right and it\'s critics are wrong, as always.

&quot;He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.&quot; Matthew 11:15

Will Kinney[u:8442e71dd8][/u:8442e71dd8]');
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 Be sure to see Part One where there is some more information and some Old Testament examples:

http://brandplucked.webs.com/realcatholicbibles.htm 

The ESV, NIV, NASB are Catholic bible versions PART TWO
 
Once I posted the first part of this study showing undeniable proof that modern versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB are Catholic bibles, and man at one of the internet Christian clubs (who himself does not believe that any Bible is the inerrant words of God and has told us so) had this to say:
 
Originally Posted by HisServant :”I personally know many of the translators that worked on the NIV and the ESV.. to say that their translations were \'catholic bibles\' would deeply offend them.”
 
To whom I responded: “As well it should! But the undeniable FACT is they ARE just like the Catholic bibles today. The New Testament texts are virtually IDENTICAL. You did read through the initial post, right?
 
You do realize that your UBS committee that makes up the underlying Greek text for the Catholic bibles is a joint effort between the Catholic church and apostate, unbelieving &quot;protestants&quot;, right?
 
Just take a simple, easy to do look at the verses that are omitted in the N.T. of these modern &quot;Catholic&quot; bibles and then compare any modern Catholic bible in the N.T. = virtually the same.
 
Then go back and compare any Bible before this whole whack Westcott-Hort Catholicism loving group got together and compare how many of those verses are IN them. Real simple stuff anybody can do. It\'s right there in black and white and you guys are rebelling against the truth and huffing and crying about how &quot;offended&quot; you are. Well, you should be offended. That is what you deserve.”
 
This in turn led me to the Second Part of this study. It took me several hours of diligent work and study, but it was well worth it.  Here is the INDISPUTABLE PROOF that these modern versions are virtually IDENTICAL to the modern Catholic bible versions.  There is simply no way to get around this fact.
 
Here is how these modern “Evangelical” versions are in fact “Catholic” bibles.
 
ESV - English Standard Version 2001
NIV 1984, 2011
NASB - 1995
NJB - Catholic New Jerusalem bible - 1985
 
Matthew 12:47 - “Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.” (Omitted by RSV and ESV, New Jerusalem, but found in NIV, NASB, NKJV)
 
ALL these verses are omitted by the Catholic New Jerusalem bible 1985 AND by the RSV, ESV, NIV, NASB, NET etc. 
 
Matthew 17:21- “Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.” (All omit)
 
Matthew 18:11 - “For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.” (All omit)
 
Matthew 23:14-  “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!  for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.” (All omit)
 
Mark  7:16 - “If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.” (All omit_
 
Mark 9:44 - “Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.” (All omit)
 
Mark 9:46 - “Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.” (All omit)
 
Mark 11:26 -  “But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespases.” (All omit)
 
Mark 15:28 - “And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.” (All omit)
 
Luke  17:36 - “Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.” (All omit)
 
Luke 23:17 - “For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.” (All omit)
 
John  5:4 - “For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.” (All omit)
 
Acts  8:37 - “And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” (All omit)
 
Acts 15:34 - “Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still.” (All omit)
      
Acts 24:6b to 8a - “and would have judged according to our law.  But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands, Commanding his accusers to come unto thee” (All omit)
 
Acts 28:29 -”And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.” (All omit)
 
Romans - 16:24 “The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.” (All omit)
 
I John 5:7-8 - omits the words: “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth” (All omit)

NIV - Portions of Verses Omitted
 
Matthew
5:27  by them of old time - (ALL omit)
5:44  bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you
5:44  despitefully use you, and (All omit)
6:13 For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever.  Amen. (All omit)
15:8  draweth nigh unto Me with their mouth, and (All omit)
19:9  and whoso marrieth her which is put away- doth commit adultery (All omit)
19:20 from my youth (All omit)
20:7  and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive (All omit)
20:16 for many be called, but few chosen (All omit)
20:22 and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with (All omit)
20:23  and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with (All omit)
22:13 and take him away (All omit)
23:4  and grievous to be borne (All omit)
25:13  wherein the Son of man cometh (All omit)
26:3  and the scribes (All omit)
26:60 yet found they none (All omit)
27:35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted My garments among  them, and upon MY vesture did they cast lots (All omit)
28:2  from the door (All omit)
28:9  as they went to tell His disciples (All omit)
 
Mark
1:14  Of the kingdom (All omit)
1:42 as soon as He had spoken (All omit)
3:5   whole as the other (All omit)
3:15  to heal sicknesses, and (All omit)
6:11   Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city (All omit)
6:33  and came together unto Him (All omit)
6:36  for they have nothing to eat (All omit)
7:2   they found fault (All omit)
7:8   as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do (All omit)
8:9   they that had eaten (All omit)
8:26  nor tell it to any in the town (All omit)
9:38  and he followeth not us (All omit)
9:45  into the fire that never shall be quenched (All omit)
9:49  and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt (All omit)
10:7  and cleave to his wife (All omit)
10:21 take up the cross (All omit)
10:24 them that trust in riches (All omit)
11:8  and strawed them in the way (All omit)
11:10  in the name of the Lord (All omit)
11:23 whatsoever he saith (All omit)
12:29 of all the commandments (All omit)
12:30 this is the first commandment (All omit)
12:33 and with all the soul (All omit)
13:11 neither do ye premeditate (All omit)
13:14 spoken of by Daniel the prophet (All omit)
14:19 and another said, Is it I? (All omit)
14:27 because of Me this night (All omit)
14:70 and thy speech agreeth thereto (All omit)
15:3  but He answered nothing (All omit)
 
Luke
1:28  blessed art thou among women (All omit)
1:29  when she saw him (All  omit)
2:42  up to Jerusalem (All omit)
4:4  but by every word of God (All omit)
4:8  Get thee behind Me, Satan (All omit)
4.18  to heal the brokenhearted (All omit)
5:38  and both are preserved (All omit)
7:31 And the Lord said (All omit)
8:43  had spent all her living upon physicians (All omit)
8:45  and they that were with Him (All omit)
8:45 and sayest thou, Who touched -Me? (All omit)
8:48  be of good comfort (All omit)
8:54  put them all out, and (All omit)
9:10  a desert place (All omit)
9:54  even as Elias did? (All omit)
9:55  and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of (All omit)
9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men\'s lives, but to save them (All omit)
11:2  Which art in heaven (All omit)
11:2  Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth  (All omit)
11:4  but deliver us from evil  (All omit)
11:11 bread of any of you ... will he give him a stone ? -- or if he ask (All omit)
11:44 scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites (All omit)
11:54  that they might accuse Him (All omit)
12:39 he would have watched, and (All omit)
17:9  him?  I trow not (All omit)
18:24 that he was very sorrowful  (All omit)
19:45 therein, and them that bought (All omit)
20:13 when they see him (All omit)
20:23  Why tempt ye Me? (All omit)
20:30 took her to wife, and he died childless (All omit)
22:31  And the Lord said (All omit)
22:64   they struck Him on the face (All omit)
22:68    Me, nor let Me go (All omit)
23:23 and of the chief priests (All omit)
23:38 written . . . in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew (All omit)
24:1  and certain others with them (All omit)
24:42 and of an honeycomb (All omit)
24:46 and thus it behoved  (All omit)
 
John
1:27  is preferred before me (All omit)
3:1   Which is in heaven (All omit)
3:15  should not perish, but (All omit)
5:3   waiting for the moving of the water (All omit)
5:16 and sought to slay Him (All omit)
6:11  to the disciples, and the disciples (All omit)
6:22 that one whereinto.  His disciples were entered (All omit)
6:47 on Me (All omit)
8:9   being convicted by their own conscience (All omit)
8:9   even unto the last (All omit)
8:10  and saw none but the woman (All omit)
8:10  those thine accusers? (All omit)
8:59 going through the midst of them, and so passed by (All omit)
10:26  as I said unto you (All omit)
11:41 where the dead was laid (All omit)
12:1  which had been dead (All omit)
16:16  because I go to the Father (All omit)
17:12 in the world (All omit)
19:16 and led Him away (All omit)
 
Acts
 1:14  “and supplication” (All omit)
2:30 according to the flesh, He would raise up Christ (All  omit) 
3:6 &quot;rise up and&quot; (All omit)
3:11  the lame man which was healed (All omit)
3:22  &quot;unto the fathers&quot; (All omit)
4:24  &quot;thou art God&quot; (All omit)
6:3  &quot;Holy&quot; (All omit)
7:30 &quot;of the Lord&quot; (All omit)
7:32 &quot;of God&quot; two of the four times (All omit)
7:37  &quot;the Lord your&quot; and &quot;Him shall ye hear&quot; (All omit)
8:18 &quot;Holy&quot; (All omit)
9:5 &quot;the Lord said&quot; (All omit)
9:5   it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks (All omit)
9:6   And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt Thou have me to do?  And the Lord said  unto him (All omit)
10:6  he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do (All omit)
10:11- knit  (All omit)
10:12 and wild beasts (All omit)
10:21 which were sent unto him froth Cornelius (All omit)
10:30 omit - fasting  (All omit)
10:32 who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee, (All omit)
15:18  unto God are all His, works (All omit)
15:24 saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law (All omit)
17:5  &quot;which believed not&quot; (All omit)
17:26 &quot;blood&quot; (All omit)
18:21 1 must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem (All omit)
20:24  &quot;with joy&quot; (All omit)
20:25 &quot;of God&quot; (All omit)
21:8  that were of Paul\'s company (All omit)
21:22 the multitude must needs come together (All omit)
21:25 that they observe no such thing, save only (All omit)
22:9  and were afraid (All omit)
22:26  &quot;Take heed&quot; (All omit)
23:9  let us not fight against God (All omit)
23:15 &quot;tomorrow&quot; (All omit)
23:30  &quot;the Jews&quot; (All omit)
23:30 &quot;Farewell&quot; (All omit)
24:15 &quot;of the dead&quot;  (All omit)
24:26 that he might loose him (All omit)
25:6 change &quot;ten days&quot; to &quot;8 or 10 days&quot; (ESV, NIV, NASB, New Jerusalem bible ALL agree)
26:30 And when he had thus spoken (All omit)
28:1 change &quot;they knew&quot; to &quot;we knew&quot; (All change it)
28:16 the centurion delivered the prisoners to the captain of the guard (All omit)
 
Romans
1:16  of Christ (All omit)
8:1  who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit (All omit)
9:28  in righteousness. because a short work (All omit)
10:15 preach the gospel of peace (All omit)
11:6  But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work (All omit)
13:9  Thou shalt not bear false witness (All omit)
14:6  he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it (All omit)
14:21 or is offended, or is made weak (All omit)
15:24 1 will come to you (All omit)
15:29 of the gospel (All omit)
 
I  Corinthians
6:20  and in your spirit, which are God\'s (All omit)
10:28 for the earth is the Lord\'s and the fulness thereof (All omit)
11:24   Take, eat (All omit)
 
Galatians
3:1 that ye should not obey the truth (All omit)
 
Ephesians
3:9 by Jesus Christ (All omit)
3:14  of our Lord Jesus Christ (All omit)
5:30   of His flesh, and of His bones (All omit)
 
Philippians
3:16  by the same rule, let us mind the same thing (All omit)
 
Colossians
1:2  and the Lord Jesus Christ (All omit)
1:14 through His blood (All omit)

I Thessalonians
1:1   from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ (All omit)
 
I Timothy
3:3   not greedy of filthy lucre (All omit)
6:5   from such withdraw thyself (All omit)
6:7   it is certain (All omit)
 
Hebrews
2:7   and didst set him over the works of Thy hands (All omit)
3:6   firm unto the end (All omit)
7:21  after the order of Melchisedec (All omit)
8:12  and their iniquities (All omit)
10:30   saith the Lord (All omit)
10:34 in heaven (All omit)
11:11 was delivered of a child (All omit)
11:13 and were persuaded of them (All omit)
12:20 or thrust through with a dart (All omit)
 
I Peter
1:22 through the Spirit (All omit)
4:14 on their part He is evil spoken of, but on your part He is glorified (All omit)
 
2 Peter 
1:21 omit &quot;holy&quot; from &quot;holy men of God&quot; (All agree)
2:17 &quot;for ever&quot; omitted from &quot;mist of darkness is reserved for ever&quot; (All agree)
3:10  in the night (All omit)
 
I John
4:3  Christ is come in the flesh (All omit)
5:13 and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God (All omit)
 
Revelation
 
1:8  the Beginning and the Ending (All omit)
1:11 I am Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last (All omit)
1:11  which are in Asia (All omit)
5:14  Him that liveth for ever and ever (All omit)
11:1  and the angel stood (All omit)
11: 17 and art to come (All omit)
14:5  before the throne of God (All omit)
15:2  over his mark (All omit)
21:24 of them which are saved (All omit)

Difference that Affect the Meaning
 
Matthew
1:25 Omit: her firstborn (ESV, NIV, NASB, Catholic New Jerusalem bible ALL AGREE)
5:22  Omit: without a cause (All agree)
6:1   righteousness, in place of, alms (All agree)
6:4   Omit: openly
6:6   Omit: openly
6:18  Omit: openly
16:3  Omit: 0 ye hypocrites (All agree)
17:20 little faith, in place of, unbelief (All agree)
19:16  Omit: Good (All agree
19:17  Why askest thou Me concerning the good?  One is good, in place of, Why callest thou Me  good?  There is none good but one, that is, God - (All agree)
23:19 Omit: fools and (All omit)
24:7  Omit: and pestilences; (All omit)
24:36  Add: neither the Son (All ADD)
24:48 Omit: his coming (All omit)
25:31 Omit: holy (All omit)
26:28   Omit: new (All omit)
26:59 Omit: and elders (All omit)
27:34 wine, in place Of, vinegar (All agree)
27:42 Omit: If (All omit)
27:64 Omit: by night (All omit)
 
Mark
1:2   Isaiah the prophet, in place of\' the prophets. (All agree)
2:17  Omit: to repentance (All omit)
3:29 sin, in place of, damnation (All agree)
4:11  Omit: to know (All omit)
9:29  Omit: and fasting (All omit)
12.4  Omit: they cast stones (All omit)
12:4  Omit: sent him away (All omit)
13:8  Omit: and troubles (All omit)
13:33 Omit: and pray (All omit)
14:22 Omit: eat (this is my body) (All omit “eat”)
14:24 Omit: new (new testament) (All omit “new”)
14:51 Omit: the young men (All omit)
 
Luke
2:22 their or them, in stead of, her (purification) (All agree)
6:48  because it was well built, in place of, for it was
founded upon a rock (All agree)
7:28  Omit: prophet (All omit)
9:35 chosen, in place of, beloved (Son) (All agree)
11:53 went out thence, in place of, said these things unto them (All agree)
14:5  son, in place of, ass (All agree)
17:3  Omit: against thee (All omit)
21:36 “may have strength”, in place of, “may be accounted worthy” (All agree)
23:15 “he sent Him back to us”, in stead of, “I sent you to him” (All agree)
23:45 failed (or eclipsed) in place of, “the sun was darkened” (All agree)
 
John
1:51  Omit: Hereafter (All omit)
6:65 Omit: My (Father) (All omit)
6:69 “the Holy One of God”, in place of, “that Christ, the Son
of the living God” (All agree)
8:28 Omit: My (Father) (All omit)
9:4 We, in place of, I (All agree)
12:47 keep, in place of, believe (All agree)
14:28  Omit: My (Father) (All agree)
16: 10    Omit: my (Father) (All agree)
17:17     Omit: Thy (truth) (All agree)
20:17  Omit: My (Father) (All agree_
 
Acts
3:20  foreordained or predestined, in stead of, “before was preached” (All agree)
6:8  ”full of grace”, in stead of “full of faith” (All agree)
10:30 Omit: fasting (All omit)
15:23 Omit: after this manner (All omit)
15:24 omit “saying, ye must be circumcised, and keep the law” (All omit)
17:5  Omit: which believed not (All omit)
17:26 Omit: blood (All omit)
18:5 ”was occupied with the word” in place of, “was pressed in the spirit” (All agree)
18:17 Omit: the Greeks (All omit)
18:21 omit “I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but” (All omit)
23:15 Omit: to morrow (All omit)
25:16 Omit: to die. (All omit)
 
Romans
9:32  Omit: (works) of the law (All omit)
 
1 Corinthians
7 :5  Omit: fasting (All omit)
7:39  Omit: by the law (All omit)
11:24 Omit: (body which is) broken (All omit)
11:29 Omit: unworthily (All omit)
14:38  he is ignored, in place of, let him be ignorant (All agree)
 
2 Corinthians
5:17  Omit: all things (are become new) (All agree)
12:19 Long ago, in place of, Again (All agree)
 
Galatians
5:19 Omit: Adultery (All agree)
5:21 Omit: murders (All agree)
 
Ephesians
3:9   administration, in place of, fellowship (All agree)
4:9 Omit: first (All agree)
5:9   light, in place of, Spirit (All agree)
 
Philippians
4:23   your spirit, in place of, you all (All agree)
 
Colossians
2:18  Omit: not (All agree; totally changes the meaning)
 
1 Thessalonians
2:15    Omit: their own (prophets) (All agree)
3:2   Omit: fellow labourer (All agree)
 
I Timothy
1:17   Omit: wise (God) (All agree)
3:3 omits “not greedy of filthy lucre” (All agree)
4:10 strive, in place of, suffer reproach (All agree)
4:12 omits “spirit” (All agree)
5:4 Omit: good (All agree)
5:16 Omit: “man or” (woman) (All agree)
6:19  “life that is”, in place of, “eternal life” (All agree)
 
2 Timothy
1:11  Omit: of the Gentiles (All agree)
 
Titus
1:4   Omit: mercy (All omit)
 
Philemon
 v. 2  sister, in place of, beloved (All agree)

Hebrews
10:34 “with prisoners” in place of, “of me in my bonds” (All agree_
 
James
1:19  Ye know or Remember, in place of, Wherefore (All agree)
2:20  idle or useless, in place of, dead (All agree)
 
4:4   Omit: “adulterers and” (All agree)
4:14  “You are”, in place of, “It is” (All agree)
5:16  “confess your sins”, in place of, “faults” (All agree) 
 
1 Peter
2:2   Add:  “unto salvation” (All agree)
3:8   humble minded or “self effacing”, in stead of, “courteous” (All agree)
3:13  zealous or determined, in place of, “followers” (All agree)
3:16  Omit: as of evildoers (All agree)
4:1   Omit: (suffered) for us (All agree)
5:5   Omit: be subject (All agree)
5:11 Omit: glory and (All agree)
 
2 Peter
1:21  men from God, in place of, holy men of God (All agree)
2:17  Omit: for ever (All agree)
3:2   “of your (apostles)” in stead if “us the (apostles)”
 
I John
2:20  “You all know”, in place of, “ye know all things” (All agree)
 
2 John
v. 9  “whosoever goes before”, in place of, “whosoever transgresseth” (All agree)
 
Jude
v. 1  beloved, or dear, in stead of “them that are sanctified” (All agree)
v. 19  Omit: themselves (All agree)
v. 25  Omit: wise (All agree)
v. 25   Add: “before the whole age” or “before all ages” (All agree)
 
Revelation
1:6   a kingdom, in place of, kings and (All agree)
2:9   Omit: “thy works and” (All agree)
2:13  Omit: “thy works and” (All omit)
2:15 “in like manner” or “and among you too”, in place of, “which thing I hate” (All agree)
2:20  Omit: a few things (All omit)
5:10  them, in place of, us (All agree)
5:16  a kingdom, in place of, kings (All agree)
5:10  they shall reign, in place of, we shall reign (All agree)
8:13  eagle, in place of, angel (All agree)
12:12 Omit: the inhabiters (All omit)
13:10 Omit: leadeth (All omit)
13:10 is to be killed, in place of, killeth (All agree)
15:3  nations, in place of, saints - (All agree)
16:17 Omit: of heaven (All omit)
19:1  Omit: and honour (All omit)
19:17  the great supper of God, in place of, the supper of the great God (All agree)
21:3  the throne, in place of, heaven (All agree)
22:14  wash their robes, in stead of, do His commandments (All agree)
22:19 tree, in place of, book (of life) (All agree)
 
Anybody who says versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB are not “Catholic” bibles is either blind, willingly ignorant or stupid.
 There is a lot of truth to the old saying &quot;All roads lead back to Rome&quot; or better yet, as the prophet Isaiah says: &quot;For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.&quot;  Isaiah 9:16
 
&quot;Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters...and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication...Babylon the Great, the Mother of harlots and abominations of the earth...And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.&quot;  Revelation 17 &amp; 18. 
 
&quot;He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.&quot;  Matthew 11:15 
  
 Return to Articles - http://brandplucked.webs.com/articles.htm
 
Will Kinney');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2009', 'df93d89504', 'KJB Preface', 'I\'ve done some searches on the KJB Preface; all I can find are articles that use the Preface to counter KJBO.

Anyone know of a site, or article that could explain how the Preface supports KJBO?

Example used on a forum to counter KJBO:
...[b:df93d89504]that variety of Translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: [/b:df93d89504][
... [b:df93d89504]had rather have their judgments at liberty in differences of readings, than to be captivated to one, when it may be the other.[/b:df93d89504]
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I\'m not sure how to respond to that.  I\'ve read that translators were humble, and did not make claims to perfection; although, the Holy Spirit moved the men to choose correct wording in the text itself.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2010', 'd830d790dd', '', 'There are several things I have done, such as,

http://www.bibleprotector.com/good_hand.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LWrzwU33HQ

You can find other things too.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2011', '3c9b7fb8c9', '', 'Thanks; helps very much.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2012', '24c2cc2562', 'Today\'s Catholic bibles - the ESV, NIV, NASB', 'So, what exactly is the primary basis for such modern bibles as the NASB, NIV, RSV, ESV and Daniel Wallace’s NET versions etc?  It’s is the United Bible Society’s ever changing and evolving “nothing is settled or sure” Greek text based primarily on the VATICANUS manuscript found in the Vatican library, and put out by a joint effort of Evangelicals and the Catholic Church!  Hello?... Is any body home?  I like to call this ever changing Greek text used by many of  today’s “No Bible is inerrant” crowd the Textus Corruptus.
 
Do these modern day &quot;Evangelical/Catholic&quot; bibles always follow these so called &quot;oldest and best manuscripts&quot; like Vaticanus?  Of course not.  Vaticanus and Sinaiticus both entirely omit 12 whole verses from Mark 16:9-20 and another 12 entire verses from John 7:53 to John 8:11.  Yet they hypocritically cease to use &quot;the oldest and best&quot; in these 24 entire verses and put them in their &quot;bibles&quot; because all these verses ARE found in the Majority of all Greek texts, the Latin Vulgate and the Catholic bible versions like the Douay-Rheims, the 1950 Douay and the New Jerusalem bible of 1985 - and not even in [brackets]!If you want to see what these so called &quot;oldest and best manuscripts&quot; of Vaticanus and Sinaiticus are REALLY like, take a look at this revealing study here:
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/oldestandbestmss.htm 
 
The basis for the modern day Catholic bibles and the textually identical &quot;Catholic&quot; bible versions like the ESV, NIV, NASBs etc. is not even the Latin Vulgate New Testament.  Of the 17 entire verses omitted by todays Catholic versions, 9 of the 17 entire verses were found in the Latin Vulgate!  You can see the Vulgate bible here and check it out for yourself.
 
http://www.drbo.org/lvb/ 
 
The Latin Vulgate contains Matthew 12:47, Matthew 17:21 (in verse 20 - their numbering system is a bit different than ours), Matthew 18:11; Mark 7:16; Mark 9:44 and 46 (located in Mark 9:45, 47); Mark 11:26; Mark 15:28 and Luke 23:17 are all found in the Latin Vulgate! Even the older Catholic bible versions like the Douay-Rheims and the Douay of 1950 contained most of the verses that are now omitted by todays &quot;United&quot; Bible Societies ever changing versions. The hundreds of textual differences between the Traditional Text Reformation bibles and the modern Catholic/Evangelical bible versions is that there is a concerted effort between the Catholics and modern apostate Christianity to create a new bible that will be accepted by both camps. It doesn\'t matter to them whether it is the complete, inspired and inerrant Bible or not.  Neither the Evangelicals nor the Catholics believe such a thing exists! Their continuing mantra is that &quot;ONLY the originals WERE inspired&quot; and nobody knows for sure what the originals said and we no longer have an inerrant bible.  Apparently what is important to them is that the both their &quot;bibles&quot; agree, even though not one of them believes it IS the inerrant words of God nor our final authority.  If the Bible is not the inerrant words of God, then the Bible is not our final authority and we will then need to look elsewhere.  And where might that final authority be found? the &quot;scholars&quot;? (Evangelicals modern day priestcraft) &quot;the Pope&quot;?, the next world religious leader (the Anti-Christ)?  But it sure won\'t be their &quot;bible&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2013', 'bf78d62490', 'The Protector, 17 July 2011', '[img:bf78d62490]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:bf78d62490]

[color=red:bf78d62490]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:bf78d62490]

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SINCERITY AND TRUTH

It seems that around the internet, there are some people who question the King James Bible to the most extreme length, using the same methods and exhibit the same tactics as enemies like the Jesuits and the atheists.

The Scripture says, 2 Cor. 2:17, &quot;For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.&quot;

Rigorous debates and healthy discussions are useful for showing up the differences between pro-KJB perfection and anti-KJB perfection positions, but it is discernable that some people on the anti- side are not &quot;sincere brethren&quot; at all.

What justifies using deception to attack a doctrine that a person does not agree with? If KJBO is wrong, would not honest arguments disprove it?

“But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.” (Acts Acts 5:39).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2014', '0e5dbdd1cc', 'Historicist prophecy, KJB in Rev. 10, &amp; mystery of God', 'http://www.youtube.com/embed/lEkHdYzQORc');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2015', '8a41b9916f', 'The God-ordained Church', 'God puts ministers into the Church, which He has structured and builds to this day.

[b:8a41b9916f]&quot;The God-ordained Church.&quot;[/b:8a41b9916f]

1.	God builds the Church, not man.	

Ps. 127:1 &quot;Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain&quot;	

Matt. 16:13-18 &quot;I will build my church&quot;

Eph. 2:19-22 &quot;all the building fitly framed together groweth&quot;

Eph. 4:8,11-15 &quot;he... gave gifts unto men&quot;

2.	God ordains ministers.

1 Tim. 2:5-7 &quot;I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle&quot;
ordained = decreed, enacted, appointed.	

The majority of the greatest faith ministers that ever lived were never ordained by men under denominations, including Smith Wigglesworth. They had a calling in God!

1 Cor. 1:1a &quot;called... through the will of God&quot;

2 Tim. 1:10-12 &quot;I am appointed&quot;

1 Cor. 4:1	&quot;ministers of Christ&quot;	

1 Cor. 2:17 &quot;Christ sent me&quot;

3.	Beware the false ministers.

2 Cor. 11:12-16 &quot;false apostles, deceitful brethren&quot;

1 Cor. 5:11 &quot;called a brother&quot;

Matt. 7:15,16,20 &quot;Beware of false prophets&quot;

Isa. 8:20 &quot;if they speak not according to this word&quot;

2 Cor. 11:26 &quot;false brethren&quot;

Jude 3,4 &quot;certain men crept in unawares&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2016', '30d0425503', 'Matthew 21:44 hang on to it before it dissapears', 'So, What is the next verse that will probably soon disappear from your &quot;bibles&quot;?  Well, I think it is already in the works with these &quot;No Bible is inspired or inerrant&quot; scholars.  It will probably be Matthew 21:44 that will soon disappear from your next Bible of the Month Club versions.  The verse reads: &quot;And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.&quot; I can see why the bible doubters might feel just a tad uncomfortable having this verse as inspired Scripture. 

The verse is found in the majority of all remaining Greek manuscripts including Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, and it was in the ancient versions of the Syriac Peshitta, Curetonian, Harkelian, the Coptic Sahidic and Boharic, the Armenian, Gothic, Old Latin and the Georgian translations. However the liberal RSV, the 1960 New English Bible and Today\'s English Version 1993 all omit the verse entirely. Why? It is not found basically in one notoriously corrupt manuscript called D.  

The verse was included in the previous Catholic Douay Rheims, and the Douay of 1950.  However the 1970 Catholic St. Joseph New American bible put [the verse in brackets] [b:30d0425503]and so too does the UBS &quot;critical condition&quot; Greek text[/b:30d0425503] indicating doubt as to its authenticity and the 1985 New Jerusalem bible has now entirely omitted the whole verse from its text.

 The previous NIV of 1984 included the verse, but now the &quot;new&quot; New International Version (which has changed 10% of their verses from the previous NIV) still includes the verse but has added this footnote that was not in their 1984 edition.  The NIV 2011 now footnotes: &quot;Some manuscripts do not have verse 44.&quot;  The ESV of 2001 also footnotes: &quot;Some manuscripts omit verse 44.&quot;  So it looks like this verse is a good candidate to be ripped out of the up and coming &quot;Evangelical-Catholic&quot; versions in the near future.

Will K');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2017', '7e6bec35af', '', 'Where can we get accurate historical information on the Gunpowder Plot from a Protestant perspective, and also from the perspective of those who were targeted?

Is there any proper official records of the trial and investigation?

Obviously it seems as if the TV show was bankrolled by the Jesuits!

How does the crown allow this tripe?

This reminds me of the problem of the Oxford Movement history,
which has been incredibly whitewashed.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2018', '5a21f18376', '', 'You can find it in Thomas Fuller\'s Church History.

Here is the scanned version from Google Books:

24—30. The Plotters in the Powder Treason. Garnets deciding a Case of Conscience. Two other Difficulties removed. The Odium must be cast on the Puritans. Will-worship a painful Labour. God gives them Warning to desist, but they will take none. The Latitude of their Design. A. D. 1605.

The Romish Catholics now utterly despairing, either by flattery to woo, or force to wrest, any free and public exercise of their religion, some of them entered into a damnable and devilish conspiracy, to blow up the Parliament-house with gunpowder. In this plot were engaged,—1. Robert Catesby; 2. Thomas Percy; 3. Sir Everard Digby; 4. Francis Tresham; 5. Robert Winter; 6. Thomas Winter; 7- John Wright; 8. Christopher Wright; 9. Ambrose Rookwood; 10. Robert Keyes; 11. John Grant; 12. Thomas Bates, Catesby\'s man; 13. Guido Faux [Guy Fawkes]. Twelve, beside their foreman. But, how &quot;honest and true,&quot; let their ensuing action declare. Surely, all of resolute spirits, most of ancient families, some of plentiful fortunes, and Percy, though weak in purse himself, pretended to command the wealthiest coffers of another.

But, a treason without a Jesuit or one of Jesuitical principles therein is like a dry wall without either lime or mortar. Gerrard must be the cement, with the sacrament of secrecy, to join them together. Garnet and Tismond (whelps of the same litter) commended and encouraged the design. But here an important scruple was injected,—How to part their friends from their foes in the parliament, they having many in the House, of alliance, yea, of the same (in conscience a nearer kindred) religion with themselves. To slay the righteous with the wicked, be it far from God, Gen. xviii. 25, and all good men. And yet, as such an unpartial destruction was uncharitable; so an exact separation seemed as impossible. Here Garnet, instead of untying, cut this knot asunder with this his sharp decision: &quot;That, in such a case as this, it was lawful to kill friend

• Puz.Ers De illustrious Anglier Scriptoribus, page 804.

and foe together.&quot; Indeed, the good husbandman in the Gospel permitted the tares to grow for the corn\'s sake, Matt. xiii. 29; whereas here, by the contrary counsel of the Jesuit, the corn (so they reputed it) was to be rooted up for the tares\' sake.

This scruple in conscience thus satisfied by Garnet, two other difficulties in point of performance presented themselves. For, Charles, duke of York, probably by reason of his minority, would not be present, and the lady Elizabeth would certainly be absent from the Parliament-house. How then should these two (the next heirs to the crown) be compassed within their power? But for the first, Percy proffered his service, promising to possess himself, by a fraudulent force, of the person of the duke. . Catesby undertook the other difficulty, under a pretended hunting-match, (advantaged thereunto by the vicinity of Ashby to the lord Harrington\'s, where the princess had her education,) to train her into their command. All rubs thus removed, their way was made as smooth as glass,— and as slippery too, as by the sequel may appear.

But first be it remembered, that, though these plotters intended at last with honour to own the action, when success had made all things secure; yet they purposed, when the blow was first given, and whilst the act was certain, but the success thereof doubtful, to father the fact on the Puritans. They thought their backs were broad enough to bear both the sin and shame; and that this saddle, for the present, would finely fit their backs, whose discontent, as these plotters would pretend, unable otherwise to achieve their desired alteration in church-government, had, by this damnable treason, effected the same. By transferring the fact on the then most innocent Puritans, they hoped, not only to decline the odium of so hellish a design, but also, by the strangeness of the act and unsuspectedness of the actors, to amuse all men, and beget an universal distrust, that every man would grow jealous of himself. And whilst such amazement tied, in a manner, all men\'s hands behind them, these plotters promised themselves the working-out their own ends, part by their home-strength, and the rest by calling in the assistance of foreign princes.

They fall a-working in the vault. Dark the place, in the depth of the earth; dark the time, in the dead of the night; dark the design, all the actors therein concealed by oath from others, and thereby combined amongst themselves. O! how easy is any work, when high merit is conceived the wages thereof! In piercing through the wall nine feet thick, they erroneously conceived that they thereby hewed forth their own way to heaven.* But they digged more with their silver in an hour, than with their iron in

• Sr Bed\'s &quot; Chronicle \'\' in king James.

many days; namely, when discovering a cellar hard by, they hired the same, and these pioneers saved much of their pains by the advantage thereof. And now all things were carried so secretly, no possibility of any detection, seeing the actors themselves had solemnly sworn that they would not—and all others might as safely swear they could not—make any discovery thereof.

But so it fell out, that the sitting of the parliament was put off from time to time; namely, from the seventh of February, (whereon it was first appointed to meet,) it was adjourned till the fifth of October, and afterward from the fifth of October, put off till the fifth of November; and accordingly their working in the vault, which attended the motion of the parliament, had several distinct intermissions, and resumptions thereof; as if Divine Providence had given warning to these traitors, by the slow proceeding and oft adjourning of the parliament, mean time seriously to consider what they went about, and seasonably to desist from so damnable a design, as suspicious at last it would be ruined which so long had been retarded. But no taking-off their wheels will stay those chariots from drowning which God hath decreed shall be swallowed in the Red Sea, Exodus xiv. 25.

&quot;Behold! here is fire and wood; but where is the lamb for the burnt-offering?&quot; Alas! a whole flock of lambs were not far off, all appointed to the slaughter. The king, prince Henry, peers, bishops, judges, knights, and burgesses, all designed to destruction. &quot;Let me smite him,&quot; said Abishai of Saul, &quot;even at once, and I will not smite him the second time,&quot; 1 Sam. xxvi. 8. So here, a blow so sound, secret, and sudden, was intended it would not need iteration: Once and ever, the first act would finish all in an instant. But, thanks be to God, nothing was blown up but the treason, or brought to execution but the traitors.

31—34. The apish Behaviour of Keyes. The mystical Letter. The first Search proves ineffectual. The second Search discovers all. ,,, .,

Indeed, some few days before the fatal stroke should be given, Master Keyes, being at Tichmarsh in Northamptonshire, at the house of Master Gilbert Pickering, his brother-in-law, (but of a different religion, as a true protestant,) suddenly whipped-out his sword, and in merriment made many offers therewith at the heads, necks, and sides of many gentlemen and gentlewomen then in his company. This then was taken as a mere frolic, and for the present passed accordingly; but afterwards, when the treason was discovered, such as remembered his gestures thought thereby he did act what he intended to do if the plot had taken effect; hack and hew, kill and slay, all eminent persons of a different religion from themselves.

&quot;Curse not the%king, no, not in thy thought; for a bird of the air shall carry the voice,&quot; Eccles. x. 20; as here such a discovery was made. With a pen, fetched from the feather of a fowl, a letter was written to the lord Mounteagle, in manner following:—

&quot;My Lord, 

&quot;Out of the love I bear to some of your friends, I have a care of your preservation; therefore, I would advise you, as you tender your life, to devise some excuse to shift off your attendance at this Parliament. For, God and man have concurred to punish the wickedness of this time. And think not slightly of this advertisement, but retire yourself into your country, where you may expect the event in safety. For, though there be no appearance of any stir, yet, I say, they shall receive a terrible blow this Parliament, and yet they shall not see who hurts them. This counsel is not to be contemned, because it may do you good, and can do you no harm; for the danger is past so soon as you have burned the letter. And I hope God will give you the grace to make good use of it; to whose holy protection I commend you.&quot;

A strange letter, from a strange hand, by a strange messenger; without date to it, name at it, and (I had almost said) sense in it: a letter, which, even when it was opened, was still sealed, such the affected obscurity therein.

The lord Mounteagle, as loyalty advised him, communicates the letter to the earl of Salisbury, he to the king. His majesty, on the second perusal, expounded the mystical &quot;blow&quot; meant therein must be by gunpowder; and gives order for searching the rooms under the Parliament-house, under pretence to look for lost hangings, which were conveyed away. The first search, about evening, discovered nothing but Percy \'s cellar, full of wood, and Johnson his man (under that name was Faux disguised) attending therein. However, the name of Percy and sight of Faux so quickened the jealousy of the lord Mounteagle, that this first slight search led to a second scrutiny, more strictly and secretly performed.

-This was made at midnight by Sir Thomas Knevet, gentleman of his majesty\'s privy chamber, and others, into the vault under the Parliament-house. There &quot;the mystery of iniquity&quot; was quickly discovered; a pile of fuel, faced over with billets, lined under with thirty-six barrels of powder, beside iron bars, to make the force of the fire more effectual. Guido Faux was apprehended in the outward room, with a dark lantern in his hand, (the lively emblem of

their design, whose dark side was turned to man, whilst the light part was exposed to God,) and three matches, ready to give fire to the train. This caitiff professed himself only grieved that he was not in the inner room, to blow himself and them all up together; affirming moreover, that, not God, but the devil made the discovery of the plot.

35—38. The Traitors fiy, and are taken. Catesby and Percy fight desperately for their Lives. The Lord is just. The Rest are legally executed. 

Mean time, Catesby, Percy, Rookwood, both the Wrights, and Thomas Winter, were hovering about London, to attend the issue of the matter. Having sate so long abrood and hatching nothing, they began to suspect all their eggs had proved addle. Yet, betwixt hope and fear, they and their servants post down into the country, through Warwick and Worcester into Staffordshire. Of traitors they turn felons, breaking up stables, and stealing horses as they went. But many of their own men, by a far more lawful felony, stole away from their masters, leaving them to shift for themselves. The neighbouring counties, and their own consciences, rise up against these riotous roisters, as yet unknown for traitors. At last Sir Richard Walsh, High Sheriff of Worcestershire, overtook them at Holbeck in Staffordshire, at the house of Mr. Stephen Littleton; where, upon their resistance, the two Wrights were killed, Rookwood and Thomas Winter shrewdly wounded.

As for Percy and Catesby, they fought desperately for their lives, as knowing, no quarter but quartering would be given unto them; and, as if they scorned to turn their backs to any but themselves, setting back to back, they fought against all that assaulted them. Many swords were drawn upon them, but gunpowder must do the deed, which discharged that bullet which dispatched them both.

Never were two bad men\'s deaths more generally lamented of all good men; only on this account,—that they lived no longer, to be forced to a farther discovery of their secret associates.

It must not be forgotten, how, some hours before their apprehension, as these plotters were drying dank gunpowder in an inn, a miller, casually coming in, (haply not heeding the black meal on the hearth,) by careless casting-on of a billet, fired the gunpowder. Up flies the chimney, with part of the house: all therein are frighted, most hurt; but especially Catesby and Rookwood had their faces soundly scorched, so bearing in their bodies, not ariyfJ-aru, &quot;the marks of our Lord Jesus Christ,&quot; Gal. vi. 17, but the print of their own impieties. Well might they guess, how good that their cup of cruelty was, whose dregs they meant others should drink, by this little sip which they themselves had unwillingly, tasted thereof.

The rest were all at London solemnly arraigned, convicted, condemned. So foul the fact, so fair the proof, they could say nothing for themselves. Master Tresham dying in the prison, prevented a more ignominious end.

1. Sir Everard Digby, Robert Winter, Grant and Bates, were hanged, drawn, and quartered, at the west end of St. Paul\'s, January 30th. Three of them, but especially Sir Everard Digby, died very penitently and devoutly; only Grant expressed most obstinacy at his end.

2. Thomas Winter, Ambrose Rookwood, Keyes, and Faux were executed, as the former, in the Parliament-yard in Westminster, January 31st. Keyes followed Grant in his obstinacy, and Faux showed more penitency than all the rest.*

3. Garnet, Provincial of the English Jesuits, was arraigned some weeks after, by four several names,-f and executed on the Saturday; which he said was called institutio cruris; of whom largely in the next year.

They all craved testimony, that they died Roman catholics. My pen shall grant them this their last and so equal petition, and bears witness to all whom it may concern, that they lived and died in the Romish religion. And although the heinousness of their offence might, with some colour of justice, have angered severity into cruelty against them; yet so favourably were they proceeded with, that most of their sons or heirs, except since disinherited by their own prodigality, at this day enjoy their paternal possessions.

39—41. The Presumption of a posthume Report justly censured. The Memory of this Treason perpetuated by Act of Parliament. Just Complaint that the Day is no better observed. Heaven having thus defeated hell of its desired success, earth since hath endeavoured to defraud heaven of its deserved praise. A posthume report is brought forth into the world, (nursed as it is fit, by the mothers thereof,) that king James was privy to this plot all along; and that his observing ran parallel with the traitors\' acting therein, so that he could discover it when he pleased, but was not pleased to discover it until the eve of the fifth of November: a fancy inconsistent with that ordinary piety which all charitable men must allow king James as a Christian, and with that extraordinary policy which his adversaries admire in him as a statesman. Was it probable, that he would tempt God so profanely, as solemnly to thank him for revealing that to him which he knew before? Would king James\'s wisdom (not to say, his wariness, not to say, his fearfulness) dally so long with destruction, as to put it off to the last hour, when, uno actu, tactu; ictu, nictu, all might have been confounded? Was it not hard for him to equivocate before such a master of equivocation as Garnet the Jesuit was? who, certainly, if he had smelt any juggling of king James therein, would, no doubt, have proclaimed it to all the world at his execution. I deny not, but that the king, both by intelligence from foreign parts, and secret information from those secular priests that bishop Bancroft secretly kept in his house, was advertised in general of some great plot which the Jesuited papists were hatching against the ensuing parliament: but, for the particulars, that riddling letter brought him the first notice thereof, whatsoever is fancied to the contrary. But, if wild conjectures in such cases from obscure authors shall be permitted to justle for credit against received records, all former unquestionable history will be quickly reduced to an universal uncertainty. But there is a generation of people, who, to enhance the reputation of their knowledge, seem not only, like moths, to have lurked under the carpets of the council-table, but, even like fleas, to have leaped into the pillows of princes\' bed-chambers; thence deriving their private knowledge of all things, which were, or were not, ever done or thought of. In defiance of whom I add, &quot;Give unto Caesar the things that are Caesar\'s, and unto God the things that are God\'s.&quot; Let king James, by reading the letter, have the credit of discovering this plot to the world, and God the glory for discovering it unto king James.

* StOW\'S &quot; Chronicle/\' page 882. t Ibid, page 883.
A learned author,* making mention of this treason, breaketh forth into the following rapture:—

Excidat ilia dies avo, ne postera credant Secula; nos cert€ taceamus, et obruta multd Nocte tegi propria patiamur crimina gentis. &quot;0! let that day be quite dash\'d out of time,

And not believed by the next generation;

In night of silence we \'11 conceal the crime,

Thereby to save the credit of our nation.&quot;

A wish, which, in my opinion, hath more of poetry than of piety therein, and from which I must be forced to dissent. For, I conceive not the credit of our countrymen concerned in this plot; not beholding this as a national act, whose actors were but a party of a party,—a desperate handful of discontented persons of the papistical faction. May the day indeed be ever forgotten as to the point of imitation, but be ever remembered to the detestation thereof! May it be solemnly transmitted to all posterity, that they may know how bad man can be to destroy, and how good God hath been to deliver! that especially we Englishmen may take notice, how woful we might have been, how happy we are, and how thankful we ought to be. In order whereunto the parliament (first moved therein by Sir Edward Mountague, afterward baron of Boughton) enacted an annual and constant memorial of that day to be observed.

t Camden\'s Britannia in Middlesex.

Certainly, if this plot had taken effect, the papists would have celebrated this day with all solemnity, and it should have taken the upper hand of all other festivals. The more therefore the shame and pity, that, amongst protestants, the keeping of this day, not as yet full fifty years old, begins already to wax weak and decay. So that the red letters, wherein it is written, seem daily to grow dimmer and paler in our English Calendar. God forbid, that our thankfulness for this great deliverance, formerly so solemnly observed, should hereafter be like the squibs which the apprentices in London make on this day; and which give a great flash and crack at the first, but soon after go out in a stink.');
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[size=18:751c8f0ea6][color=darkblue:751c8f0ea6]EDITORIAL[/color:751c8f0ea6][/size:751c8f0ea6]

THE INFLUENCE OF THE ENGLISH BIBLE

Professor David Crystal, a leading expert on the English language, has been going around Britain giving a talk on the influence of the King James Bible on the English language. (He is also promoting a book he wrote, called “BEGAT”.

His work focuses on phrases from the Bible which are used in common speech today. While his work is entertaining for what seems to be a dull and dry subject, Crystal does not do justice to the King James Bible by appreciating its full importance or the full power of its words.

The Bible says, “Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.” (Jeremiah 15:16).

What does this mean? The words are still present today. Even the phrases of the Bible are alive and present in the world today. But the Bible is not just a book of words and poetic diction, it is a book of ideas. And the ideas are powerful.

Clearly the King James Bible has had a huge influence on the English language, and on our culture, but most especially, because the promises of the Bible are true.

“So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.” (Isaiah 55:11).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgSDd6Bkatg

A better source on the subject would be Melvyn Bragg’s, “The Book of Books: The Radical Impact of the King James Bible 1611-2011: A History of the King James Bible”.) See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyiuZFlZOME

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A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:751c8f0ea6]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:751c8f0ea6]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
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Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

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The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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[size=18:4744747d3e][color=darkblue:4744747d3e]EDITORIAL[/color:4744747d3e][/size:4744747d3e]

THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PURE DOCTRINE AND THE KJB

“Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.” (Tit. 1:15).

It seems that the greatest advances and stands for Christianity today are directly related to the King James Bible. This can be seen in the areas such as Creationism and Word of Faith.

Pastor Craig Savige wrote in a recent booklet,

“(1) Traditional Pentecostals used the King James Bible almost exclusively. 
(2) Traditional Pentecostals emphasised holiness and purity. 
(3) Although many of today’s ‘Pentecostals’ are given over to modern versions, there is still a significant amount of use of the King James Bible, indicating the godly tradition has persisted to the present day. 
(4) At one stage in the 1900s, Pentecostals listened to lies and forsook the godly Traditional Pentecostal position of holiness and usage of one pure Bible. 
(5) For there to be a reversal, there must be repentance and a return to the usage of the pure King James Bible.”

“Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.” (2 Tim. 1:13).

[size=18:4744747d3e][color=darkblue:4744747d3e]NEWS[/color:4744747d3e][/size:4744747d3e]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:4744747d3e]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:4744747d3e]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:4744747d3e][color=darkblue:4744747d3e]DIRECTORY[/color:4744747d3e][/size:4744747d3e]

Copies of the Pure Cambridge Edition can be purchased from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

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Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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The video is now on You Tube and is getting quite a few hits and some interesting reactions. You can listen to it here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLOhkTUaWZE&amp;feature=view_all&amp;list=PL16B2149EE5E54979&amp;index=7

There are also several other teaching videos concerning the issue of whether or not the Bible is the inerrant words of God or not.

&quot;He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.&quot;  Matthew 11:15

Will Kinney');
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Are you being sarcastic or are you saying you actually think this BBC rewrite of history has some worth?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2024', '056c150c24', 'PCE Available In Print Anymore?', 'After spending the last few weeks reading the posts on this board concerning the availability of the PCE, I\'ve become somewhat dissapointed.
I\'ve checked all my Bibles (have too many to list here) and have found that NONE OF THEM are PCE!

I used the 13 point checklist (to include Geza in Ezra 2:26) and found that the closest to PCE is a [b:056c150c24][i:056c150c24]Cambridge Cameo Ref[/i:056c150c24][/b:056c150c24] edition (got them all correct except 1Jn 5:8). I was quite dissapointed to find my favorite Bible, [b:056c150c24][i:056c150c24]The Defined King James[/i:056c150c24][/b:056c150c24], was off on three. My [i:056c150c24][b:056c150c24]God\'s Word - Sword Bible [/b:056c150c24][/i:056c150c24]and [i:056c150c24][b:056c150c24]Dake[/b:056c150c24][/i:056c150c24] tied with four wrong and my Nelson came in dead last with eight mistakes!

I have a [i:056c150c24][b:056c150c24]LCBP Standard[/b:056c150c24][/i:056c150c24] (red page edges #355) and a [i:056c150c24][b:056c150c24]Collins Popular[/b:056c150c24][/i:056c150c24] on order. Can\'t wait to see if they meet the benchmark.

My thanks to Matthew and all the posters here for the information given.

Btw, I was alerted to the PCE issue by David Daniels, author of many books concerning the new Bible version issue.');
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I have a [i:aaaa33fa79][b:aaaa33fa79]LCBP Standard[/b:aaaa33fa79][/i:aaaa33fa79] (red page edges #355) and a [i:aaaa33fa79][b:aaaa33fa79]Collins Popular[/b:aaaa33fa79][/i:aaaa33fa79] on order. Can\'t wait to see if they meet the benchmark.[/quote:aaaa33fa79]

Just got told off-board that the LCBP Standard is NOT PCE, but Oxford.

Oh well......................live and learn, I guess!');
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[color=red:24ae5897f7]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:24ae5897f7]

WELCOME! [i:24ae5897f7]The Protector[/i:24ae5897f7] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:24ae5897f7][color=darkblue:24ae5897f7]EDITORIAL[/color:24ae5897f7][/size:24ae5897f7]

WILLIAM SPOTTISWOODE’S TESTIMONY

In 1859 and 1860 there were select committees dealing with the granting of the Queen’s Patent to printers in England. There were a number of people who were called to testify, including representatives from Cambridge University Press and William Collins.

The granting of Royal Letters Patent was examined. One important issue, besides the cheapness and quality of printing, was the standard of the accuracy of the King James Bible.

Spottiswoode, for example, testified that no printing (in 1859) was perfect, but that a high degree of accuracy could be attained by careful reading. They also discussed that because the Americans revised their edition (1850/1) the public rejected it, and the Americans reverted back to British editions.

Edward Baines then asked a significant question, “If Bible printing were open in this country [not controlled by the Crown], why should the public not be influenced by the same motives, the same love of accuracy, and the same love, if you like, of what is old, and reject that which is supposed to be inaccurate, and which is new?” Spottiswoode answered, “No doubt they would”.

In other words, changes to the King James Bible, such as so-called “updating the language” and moving away from the kinds of traditions which flowed out from the privileged presses, would be rejected.

“O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.” (Psalm 119:97).

[size=18:24ae5897f7][color=darkblue:24ae5897f7]NEWS[/color:24ae5897f7][/size:24ae5897f7]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:24ae5897f7]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:24ae5897f7]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:24ae5897f7][color=darkblue:24ae5897f7]DIRECTORY[/color:24ae5897f7][/size:24ae5897f7]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2029', 'a9c6415e38', 'PCE Hard Copy available here, or not?', 'Being new here I don\'t want to start a ruckus, but I have a question.

I keep seeing (in various posts) how one may purchase a hard copy of the PCE on the Bible Protector website. There\'s one from yesterday. Problem is that when I navigate to that page it says it\'s not been available since April.

So............which is it? Available for purchase or not?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2030', '517b8d25ea', 'Genuine questions.', '[quote:517b8d25ea]I don\'t want to start a ruckus, but I have a question[/quote:517b8d25ea]

We don\'t allow &quot;ruckus&quot; here but we do answer genuine questions. I\'ll let Matthew answer your question. Have you seen his video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U&amp;feature=feedu');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2031', 'f4a6c29085', 'PCE information', 'The Bible Protector hard copies of the PCE were sold out. I have been actively following up where to obtain copies. There are some which may be offered through the Local Church Bible Publishers group, but it has been difficult to find out much, since they tend not to respond to genuine inquiries even if they are people ready to purchase orders.

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2032', 'e3e9ecdad7', '', 'I\'ve tried to get PCE information from LCBP to no avail. I took a chance and ordered a Bible from them only to be told later it was an Oxford. I tend to think (but don\'t know for sure) that if LCBP sees &quot;PCE&quot; in an email, it gets thrown in the trash.

Could one download the PCE from this website, transfer it to a mobile media and have a local printer make a hard copy?

Yes, I\'ve viewed the video more than once and I\'ve got a Collins on order from the UK.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2033', '91888c66e3', '', '[quote:91888c66e3=\"Bigdaddyk\"][quote:91888c66e3=\"Bigdaddyk\"]
I have a [i:91888c66e3][b:91888c66e3]LCBP Standard[/b:91888c66e3][/i:91888c66e3] (red page edges #355) and a [i:91888c66e3][b:91888c66e3]Collins Popular[/b:91888c66e3][/i:91888c66e3] on order. Can\'t wait to see if they meet the benchmark.[/quote:91888c66e3]

Just got told off-board that the LCBP Standard is NOT PCE, but Oxford.

Oh well......................live and learn, I guess![/quote:91888c66e3]

Today\'s mail brought my LCBP Standard Bible (#355) and I am overwhelmed by the quality! At a cost of $25 I recieved a Bible that\'s
easily worth $100 or more. The cowhide cover is as nice or nicer than
the original &quot;Signature Series&quot; by Thomas Nelson. It\'s standard text (no cross references or notes) good size type (I\'d guess a 9), and includes 
family record pages, concordance, and maps.

As I mentioned earlier, I was told off board that this would be an Oxford. I just checked the 13 points for a PCE and it passed THEM ALL. I can\'t believe that this &quot;ecconomy&quot; Bible beats my $160 Cambridge Cameo (that was off in 1Jn 5:8). I couldn\'t be more pleased.

If you haven\'t looked at what Local Church Bible Publishers has to offer, I\'d suggest you give them a try. Super quality at an affordable price, and evidently PCE. What more could you ask for?

http://www.localchurchbiblepublishers.com/bookstore/bibles/

Here\'s a video that demonstrates the quality of LCBP Bibles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo1-skICgeY&amp;feature=related');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2034', 'fa04d16681', 'Excellent', '[quote:fa04d16681]I just checked the 13 points for a PCE and it passed THEM ALL. I can\'t believe that this &quot;ecconomy&quot; Bible beats my $160 Cambridge Cameo (that was off in 1Jn 5:8). I couldn\'t be more pleased.[/quote:fa04d16681]Excellent. Thanks for the update.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2035', '0db52c5eb6', 'LCBP #151 may also be a PCE', 'I recently purchased LCBP\'s [b:0db52c5eb6]VERY[/b:0db52c5eb6] small #151 Bible and it is a PCE. In fact it is the same text block used in my [i:0db52c5eb6]Allan PM1[/i:0db52c5eb6].

As I said, a VERY small Bible at 3x5 but also very easy to carry in a back pocket.

Harley');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2036', 'a8ba52e7b0', 'Verily, Verily?', 'Am wondering if anyone here has read Jon Sweeney\'s book &quot;Verily, Verily&quot; and if so, what are the opinions of said tome?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2037', '693a9dfbd0', 'The Protector, 14 August 2011', '[img:693a9dfbd0]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:693a9dfbd0]

[color=red:693a9dfbd0]“Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:693a9dfbd0]

WELCOME! [i:693a9dfbd0]The Protector[/i:693a9dfbd0] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:693a9dfbd0][color=darkblue:693a9dfbd0]EDITORIAL[/color:693a9dfbd0][/size:693a9dfbd0]

THE CULTURAL BATTLE

When the Israelites came into Canaan, the real division was between cultures. One culture had in it godly values, other cultures where very evil.

“Yet hast thou not walked after their ways, nor done after their abominations: but, as if that were a very little thing, thou wast corrupted more than they in all thy ways. As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters. Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.” (Ezekiel 16:47–50).

The real issue and battle today is between world views: it is a cultural battle. It is not about skin colour, but with the moral standards of people.

Where the pillars of civilisation are eroded to where financial security of the lazy overrides the freedom of the Christian religion, something is drastically wrong. When schoolchildren are forced to learn a false leftist morality of social justice rather than to be strengthened by Biblical standards, then things are in great danger.

“Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD;” (Ps. 33:12a). The opposite must be that a curse comes on those who have not the Lord as God.

[size=18:693a9dfbd0][color=darkblue:693a9dfbd0]NEWS[/color:693a9dfbd0][/size:693a9dfbd0]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:693a9dfbd0]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:693a9dfbd0]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:693a9dfbd0][color=darkblue:693a9dfbd0]DIRECTORY[/color:693a9dfbd0][/size:693a9dfbd0]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2038', '7d197bbb96', 'KJB Only and Church Unity', '&quot;And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with [i:7d197bbb96]them[/i:7d197bbb96], and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.&quot; (Mark 16:20).

I recently heard a faith preacher say that the word &quot;[i:7d197bbb96]them[/i:7d197bbb96]&quot;, being italicised in the King James Bible, does not belong to this verse, so he decided to omit it and preach as though it wasn\'t there. Of course, this completely changed the meaning of this verse - now, instead of the true reading that the Lord was actively working with the disciples and confirming the word that they preached, it instead made the meaning that the Lord worked with and confirmed the word.

The problem with this approach is that it lacks understanding that [b:7d197bbb96]the italicised words in the KJB are not adding to what the Lord has said at all[/b:7d197bbb96]. They are necessary to bring the exact rendering of what the Lord originally said (in Greek) into English. [b:7d197bbb96]It is a completely false doctrine to say that they are adding to what God has said.[/b:7d197bbb96] In fact, as shown above, it can change the meaning of Scriptures to leave out the italicised words. If it takes say 3 English words to translate exactly what 1 Greek word says, then this is not adding to Scripture but, in fact, is completely keeping what God has said with complete accuracy and sense.

Those who hold to anti-KJB doctrines or pro-modernist versions are fulfilling the following: &quot;Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools&quot; (Romans 1:22).

Is it any wonder that the modernist churches have been dumbed down so much if they hold to nonsense?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2039', 'f7a5ee84ab', 'Re: Thank you!', '[quote:f7a5ee84ab=\"Martin Richling\"]I have printed this book out and had it bound.  It is now a part of my library.  Which only consists of---
1. The Holy Scriptures (PCE)
2. Foxe\'s Book of Martyrs (true unabridged edition over 3000 pages)
3. Vatican Assassins by Eric Jon Phelps
4. This great book by you Matthew.
That is my library...
I only need holy writ: but the others listed agree with holy writ.
Amen.[/quote:f7a5ee84ab]

I\'ve just finished your first lesson on the Word of God while following by using the printed Bible Matthew provides. I will certainly be back for more. Thanks.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2040', '248ba4647e', '', 'LCP has posted mine, it should arrive some time this week. 

I wanted to make sure a good Bible will always be handy so ordered the Red Letter edition and the anniversary edition too. You know what survivalists say, one is none and two is one.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2041', '24d5e007ae', 'The Protector, 21 August 2011', '[img:24d5e007ae]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:24d5e007ae]

[color=red:24d5e007ae]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:24d5e007ae]

WELCOME! [i:24d5e007ae]The Protector[/i:24d5e007ae] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:24d5e007ae][color=darkblue:24d5e007ae]EDITORIAL[/color:24d5e007ae][/size:24d5e007ae]

In 1859, Charles Childs of Bungay, Suffolk, was called before a select committee of the British parliament to give evidence about the printing of the Bible.

Here is a portion of his words:

I would say there is no book in the world which is so easy to make accurate as the Bible; it is not like the great majority of books; the copies are, or ought to be, absolutely uniform; there is no discretion for the reader, as in other books, as to punctuation or spelling, or as to arrangement generally; and inasmuch as the Bible is always printed from stereotype plates, which are capable of being made absolutely perfect at all events tentatively, or from type which being kept standing may be made in like manner absolutely perfect, I think the Bible ought to be absolutely immaculate, and might be made so. ... Dr. Lee, an authority of great weight, stated in his evidence before the Committee in 1831, a large number of cases in which important errors had occurred. He says, “I think it was ascertained during the printing of an edition for the King’s Printer in London, in the year 1806, that there were at least 116 errors in what is called the standard edition, the edition superintended by Dr. Blayney in the year 1769.” Mr. Parker, the representative before that Committee of the University of Oxford, being asked what was the standard edition, says, without reserve, “Dr. Blayney’s edition of 1769.” Subsequently, Dr. Lee pointed out these errors, and amongst them was the omission of one whole paragraph of 18 words, in one chapter of the Book of Revelation. That was said to be the standard edition of the Oxford press. Dr. Lee continued, “Some of those errors I ought, perhaps, to state to the Committee, because they appear to be errors of carelessness; there are two or three of them which are of some degree of importance. Here is the 9th verse of the 27th Psalm the word ‘thee,’ for ‘me,’ that is all error which we should consider as of the greatest importance. In a preceding Psalm, the 24th, the word ‘and’ is placed instead of ‘or;’ in the third verse of that Psalm, ‘or who should stand in His holy place?’ it is put ‘and who shall stand in His holy place;’ That is another error we should consider as of importance. The word ‘Lord’ occurs very frequently, where ‘Jehovah’ is meant, without being in capitals; now it is customary always to print it in capitals, by way of distinguishing that word; that occurs eleven times. Here are one or two other errors which I think it proper to mention to the Committee. In the 16th verse of the 90th Psalm, ‘Let Thy work appear unto Thy servants, and Thy glory unto their children,’ is printed, ‘thy children.’ Then in the 137th Psalm, the 4th verse, ‘As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man,’ it is printed, ‘As sorrows are in the hand of a mighty man.’ There are others.”

Mr Parker was examined subsequently, and in the mean time it came out by the evidence of Dr. Lee that there were numerous errors in this standard edition. Mr. Parker, being re-examined ... [was] asked this question, “You use, I believe, Dr. Blayney’s edition, of 1769, as the standard edition, do you consider that edition a correct edition?” He says, “If it is meant by that a correct edition with respect to typographical errors, I imagine it is not more correct than other books; there are always, in such a large book as that, errors; but, in the case of that edition of 1769, there is a very remarkable error; there is a part of a passage entirely left out; but in that book, though we use it as our book to correct from, because Dr. Blayney improved it considerably, by adding to the number of references, and correcting the punctuation, and in some cases the spelling, we do not follow the printers’ errors:” (having previously said they did not depart from that in the smallest degree;) “all those printers’ errors have been corrected in our copy, and that portion which was left out has been inserted in writing, so that though we follow that edition of 1769, we do not follow its errors.”

It is this very area where those who attack the King James Bible like to question. “But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.” (2 Timothy 2:23–26).

[size=18:24d5e007ae][color=darkblue:24d5e007ae]NEWS[/color:24d5e007ae][/size:24d5e007ae]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:24d5e007ae]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:24d5e007ae]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:24d5e007ae][color=darkblue:24d5e007ae]DIRECTORY[/color:24d5e007ae][/size:24d5e007ae]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2042', 'be272f3e9d', 'Consistency', 'Do you know that God values consistency? Even in the business world people would rather have someone to be consistently average than occasionally exceptional. Consistency provides a basis for trust. God wants us to be much more than average in our Christian walk, and He values consistent faith in us. If you want to see a good example of someone who was consistent look at Daniel 6:4-11. Daniel consistently followed God, even when his life was threatened, and he was miraculously delivered. If we consistently give attention to the Word of God then we are laying a firm foundation for faith to grow.

&quot;My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings. Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart.&quot; (Proverbs 4:20, 21)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2043', 'e5f82def64', '', '[quote=&quot;Bigdaddyk&quot;][quote=&quot;Bigdaddyk&quot;][quote:e5f82def64=\"Bigdaddyk\"]
I have a [i:e5f82def64][b:e5f82def64]LCBP Standard[/b:e5f82def64][/i:e5f82def64] (red page edges #355) and a [i:e5f82def64][b:e5f82def64]Collins Popular[/b:e5f82def64][/i:e5f82def64] on order. Can\'t wait to see if they meet the benchmark.[/quote:e5f82def64]

Recieved my [b:e5f82def64]Collins[/b:e5f82def64] popular size KJV today and I\'m sorry to report that it is NOT PCE. Once it failed to measure up at Ezra 2:26 and 1John 5:8 I stopped checking.

This experience of trying to obtain a PCE KJV Bible has been interesting to say the least. Who would have thought that two Bibles from Great Britain ([b:e5f82def64]Cambridge Cameo[/b:e5f82def64] &amp; [b:e5f82def64]Collins Popular[/b:e5f82def64]) would fail the PCE test. Even stranger is the fact that the only PCE KJV Bible I\'ve been able to obtain came from a small publisher run by a Baptist church in Lansing, MI?

So...............moral of the story?

If you want a super high quality KJV Bible that\'s not only PCE but is as nice as an expensive Cambridge, and even nicer than a Collins AND is very resonably priced - stick with [b:e5f82def64]Local Bible Publishers[/b:e5f82def64] of the good ol\' USA.

I guess our new national motto should be: &quot;Yeah, our S&amp;P credit rating stinks, but we sure make some might nice Bibles!&quot;

http://www.localchurchbiblepublishers.com/bookstore/bibles/

For a nice video demonstrating the binding process used by LCBP, go to:
http://www.localchurchbiblepublishers.com/about/bindery-video/');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2044', 'eec83b2547', '', 'If anyone else has ordered the LCBP #355, let us know.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2046', '55f6ee36fe', 'The Protector, 28 August 2011', '[img:55f6ee36fe]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:55f6ee36fe]

[color=red:55f6ee36fe]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:55f6ee36fe]

WELCOME! [i:55f6ee36fe]The Protector[/i:55f6ee36fe] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:55f6ee36fe][color=darkblue:55f6ee36fe]EDITORIAL[/color:55f6ee36fe][/size:55f6ee36fe]

UNBINDING THE TRUTH

Isaiah wrote, “Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.” (Isaiah 8:16). This binding up was a commandment to keep and preserve the Word. This is not because the Word of God is actually “bound”, that is, ineffective, but that the truth of it should be bound to God’s interest, His particular interest, His people. In this way, “the word of God is not bound.” But the preservation and the understanding of God’s Word has been sealed and locked.

The Bible is a sealed book to those who are wise in the world (see Isaiah 29:11). But the Bible should not be sealed to believers. There is a prophecy which states, “But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. (Daniel 12:4).

We must find that there is an increase in knowledge, an increase in travel, and in all that, the very words of the Scripture must have been kept through time, and the very meaning of the Word closed up through time. This has been so that God could reveal the fulness of His counsel in the latter days.

God is not keeping His truth from His people, but has been keeping truth for His people.

[size=18:55f6ee36fe][color=darkblue:55f6ee36fe]NEWS[/color:55f6ee36fe][/size:55f6ee36fe]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:55f6ee36fe]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:55f6ee36fe]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:55f6ee36fe][color=darkblue:55f6ee36fe]DIRECTORY[/color:55f6ee36fe][/size:55f6ee36fe]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2047', 'f924a08780', '', 'LCBP have advised that #355 has capital &quot;S&quot; &quot;Spirit&quot; at 1 John 5:8.

When their Pew Bibles #200 are reprinted, I hope that they will be correct. I managed to get one of the last copies of the old print run, and it was correct. My hope is that they they don\'t change the printing plates.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2048', '36148e85dc', '', '[quote:36148e85dc=\"bibleprotector\"]LCBP have advised that #355 has capital &quot;S&quot; &quot;Spirit&quot; at 1 John 5:8.

When their Pew Bibles #200 are reprinted, I hope that they will be correct. I managed to get one of the last copies of the old print run, and it was correct. My hope is that they they don\'t change the printing plates.[/quote:36148e85dc]

It\'s funny how they totally ignored my email request for PCE information, yet they give you incorrect info.

I\'m looking at my LCBP #355 right now, and I can emphatically state that on page 339 at 1John 5:8 it has &quot;spirit&quot; with a lowercase &quot;s&quot;.

Don\'t understand the confusion. Maybe they\'ve change book blocks.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2049', 'c1eae9cf87', '', 'They do not seem to answer many messages. But they did send me one yesterday, and they said

[b:c1eae9cf87]of the 3 scriptures references, the one in 1 john 5:8 is an upper case &quot;s&quot;.[/b:c1eae9cf87]

That\'s #355.

At the moment #200 is going to be printed. I hope they use the same printing plates/bromides as before and have lower case &quot;s&quot; on &quot;spirit&quot; at 1 John 5:8.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2050', '2e07617d99', 'The Protector, 4 September 2011', '[img:2e07617d99]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:2e07617d99]

[color=red:2e07617d99]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:2e07617d99]

WELCOME! [i:2e07617d99]The Protector[/i:2e07617d99] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:2e07617d99][color=darkblue:2e07617d99]EDITORIAL[/color:2e07617d99][/size:2e07617d99]

KEEPING THE LAW IN CHRIST

A lot of Pentecostalism has big problems with the law. They seem to often talk about “law”, “legalism” and “Pharisees”. Some of them seem almost obsessed with the subject.

It is a disproportionately large part of much of Pentecostal theology that “we are no longer under the law”. It is true that the New Testament teaches this, and that the book of Galatians and other passages were written to address Old Testament law keepers, but there is another side to this issue.

The carnal nature desires to be under no law. And this was the problem in the Corinthian church. Suddenly everything was “lawful”, and even the most depraved sins excusable. This is exactly the theology of modern so-called “Pentecostalism”. They try and make out that God accepts all sinners and excuses all sins, and Christians can really do as they please.

The real issue is rebellion and laziness. Carnal Christians do not want authority and rules. And they do not want to have duties. They want duty-free benefits. That is why so much time is spent attacking “religion”, “Church offices”, “tithing”, “service attendance”, “obligatory prayer and fasting”, etc.

The Scripture says, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.” (Matthew 5:17).

The law applies today. We are commanded to love. We are commanded to keep the commandments. But they are spiritually kept. And they are able to be kept by Christ in us. And they are able to be kept because the source and motivation is the spiritual power of love.

Christians are judged by the law, but it is a law we now match to. “That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:4). “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.” (Romans 10:4).

[size=18:2e07617d99][color=darkblue:2e07617d99]NEWS[/color:2e07617d99][/size:2e07617d99]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:2e07617d99]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:2e07617d99]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:2e07617d99][color=darkblue:2e07617d99]DIRECTORY[/color:2e07617d99][/size:2e07617d99]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2051', 'c9ec983dd9', 'KJB Only and Church Unity', 'Recently, one modernist pentecostal fellow accused those of having the doctrine of using only one Bible - notable the King James Bible - as being \'obsessed\'. I replied that using the word \'obsession\' etc is clearly a wrong description since a Biblical doctrine about something (eg. the purity of God\'s Word) is not an obsession - would we say of another brother or sister in Christ that they are \'obsessed\' about say the Biblical doctrine of salvation?

It is sad that today\'s modernist Christians have little comprehension of the doctrine of the purity of God\'s Word and, in fact, get offended when modernist versions are shown to be in error.

We reply that there is [b:c9ec983dd9]a Biblical litmus test to this type of attitude[/b:c9ec983dd9]: &quot;Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.&quot; (Psalm 119:165).

The point is that to point out about devilish intrusion in modern versions is necessary, else the error continues and indeed increases. We point out that lying spirits are at the heart of error. If modern versions say one thing and the KJB says another, then by the law of exclusion, [b:c9ec983dd9]they both cannot be correct at the same time![/b:c9ec983dd9] Surely this is obvious. &quot;And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.&quot; (Mark 4:15).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2052', '509f897e33', 'The Protector, 11 September 2011', '[img:509f897e33]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:509f897e33]

[color=red:509f897e33]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:509f897e33]

WELCOME! [i:509f897e33]The Protector[/i:509f897e33] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:509f897e33][color=darkblue:509f897e33]EDITORIAL[/color:509f897e33][/size:509f897e33]

MUST WE TITHE?

The necessity is laid upon each Christian to do his part in the Kingdom of God. The way that our priorities are tested includes what we do with money.

Jesus said, “Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.” (Matthew 6:19–21).

Jesus did not say that money was bad, but he did show that we should be givers in the Kingdom of God. There is a standard way in which giving is supposed to be done.

“Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.” (1 Corinthians 16:2).

Let us be clear: gifts are freewill offerings which have no relationship to our weekly prosperity. We can choose when and what we give as an offering. However, as Christians we have a duty to pay our dues to God. That is the proportion of our weekly prosperity. And what is the percentage?

“And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.” (Hebrews 7:8).

The word “tithe” means one tenth. That’s ten percent. The New Testament, in speaking to Christians, says that tithing is a present truth.

Furthermore, what was written in the Old Testament was for our admonition. It says, “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.” (Malachi 3:10).

The storehouse for believers is the ministry of our local congregation. The Lord shows us that if we pay our tithes, then blessings will be open to us. One reason we should expect God’s prosperity is so that we can fund the Gospel.

[size=18:509f897e33][color=darkblue:509f897e33]NEWS[/color:509f897e33][/size:509f897e33]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:509f897e33]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:509f897e33]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:509f897e33][color=darkblue:509f897e33]DIRECTORY[/color:509f897e33][/size:509f897e33]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2054', '667f48e5f6', 'The Protector, 18 September 2011', '[img:667f48e5f6]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:667f48e5f6]

[color=red:667f48e5f6]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:667f48e5f6]

WELCOME! [i:667f48e5f6]The Protector[/i:667f48e5f6] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:667f48e5f6][color=darkblue:667f48e5f6]EDITORIAL[/color:667f48e5f6][/size:667f48e5f6]

WAR ON THE NATIONAL CHARACTER

The Bible lays out that the proper training and nurturing of the young should be in the admonition of the Lord. “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.” (Proverbs 22:6).

There are, of course, major problems with the present curriculum in relation to some overbearing aspects of its teaching of evolution, and so on, but where the schools are being used to teach a different culture, one which has no place for God, that is a problem.

There should be one national culture. Within that culture there may be many different groups and types of people. But if patriotism to the nation and to some essential high ideals are themselves eroded, this leads to great weakness. It can only be the enemy’s strategy to introduce such ideas as the false “multiculturalism”, “globalism” and “humanism” in schools.

This evil doctrine is exactly in line with the words of Jesus, “And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand” (Matthew 12:25).

The issue is not whether or not Christianity is free, or whether or not Christianity exists in a pluralistic environment. The issue is that the very fabric and nature of all our traditions themselves as a nation are attacked. Christianity is pro-liberty, but liberty is something which requires responsibility. Too often, liberty is abused, and people take to themselves “rights” which they do not deserve.

How national history is taught in school is going to have a big impact on how people think about themselves. Some very evil people have been involved in promoting an anti-tradition, anti-Christian form of curriculum. Children ought to be taught about the greatness of our British roots, the positive impact of patriotism. In the event of a future world war, we might find that the enemy is already present.

[size=18:667f48e5f6][color=darkblue:667f48e5f6]NEWS[/color:667f48e5f6][/size:667f48e5f6]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:667f48e5f6]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:667f48e5f6]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:667f48e5f6][color=darkblue:667f48e5f6]DIRECTORY[/color:667f48e5f6][/size:667f48e5f6]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2055', 'ab2aa552da', 'What are the six precursor English bibles to the KJB?', 'What are considered the six precursor English bibles to the KJB?

I know it starts with Tyndale but what are considered the other five Protestant English bibles leading up to the KJB?

I can name more than five English bibles in between Tyndale and the KJB and I have seen lists before that differ between a bible or two.

But which English bibles does BibleProtector consider the six presursors to the KJB?

Thank you in advance.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2056', '21afcc7a9c', 'Dirct link to #355 bible', 'For those, like me, searching to find the #355 bible mentioned in this thread, here is a direct link:

[url]http://www.localchurchbiblepublishers.com/2011/06/hand-size-standard/[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2057', '56a568bd11', '', 'There are six main or major Protestant English Bibles, which are the Tyndale, Matthew, Coverdale, Great, Geneva and Bishops\'. Of course, there are other minor translations, and varying editions of some of these versions, but the 6 before the KJB are those which I have listed.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2058', 'ccb97448d9', 'number 355', '# 355 has 1 John 5:8 with a capital &quot;S&quot; on &quot;Spirit&quot; now. That\'s why I can\'t recommend it.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2059', 'a21064f1c1', 'The Protector, 25 September 2011', '[img:a21064f1c1]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:a21064f1c1]

[color=red:a21064f1c1]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:a21064f1c1]

WELCOME! [i:a21064f1c1]The Protector[/i:a21064f1c1] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:a21064f1c1][color=darkblue:a21064f1c1]EDITORIAL[/color:a21064f1c1][/size:a21064f1c1]

HAVING ONE BIBLE VERSUS MODERNIST PHILOSOPHY

“This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:” (2 Peter 3:1).

Peter expected believers to have the very words he wrote, and so that we could “remember” the Scriptures. We can do that if we have an accurate Bible. And we do. The King James Bible.

“That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:” (2 Peter 3:2).

There has been an attack on the Bible.

“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.” (2 Peter 3:3, 4).

Whether it is evolutionary doctrine, humanism or modernism, there is a central theme: chaos, destruction and corruption exist. The evolutionary argument is that we all got here by death and chance. The modern version philosophy says that the Bible has suffered under copying mistakes and loss of very early copies (we don\'t have the autographs), so that we must strive to get as near as to perfection/the originals as possible, but never actually get there.

Many people doubt the truth of the Bible. The modern version view, if it doesn’t come from people who directly doubt the Bible, will certainly give the grounds and be the seed for the long term rejection of the Bible. The only solution is to stand for a present-perfection doctrine, and say that we have God’s very words in the King James Bible. This does not mean a blind faith. It means that if we examine spiritually and learn from the Spirit, we see that the King James Bible way is the only way for true Christianity to go in the future.

The choice is clear: do we trust the scientists, scholars and archenemies as final authority? Or do we trust the Spirit, the very words of God, and witness from genuine Christians within the Church to it?

[size=18:a21064f1c1][color=darkblue:a21064f1c1]NEWS[/color:a21064f1c1][/size:a21064f1c1]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:a21064f1c1]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:a21064f1c1]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

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The list here is the twelve tests to know the Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJB:  http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector

The list here is many known differences between historical editions, such as the Oxford:  http://www.bibleprotector.com/editions

The difference of Matthew 26:73 is only in modernised spelling editions, not traditional editions, so that is why it is not in the editions list, because there are a lot of changes like &quot;honour&quot; to &quot;honor&quot; etc. which I did not list, because they are &quot;new&quot; or &quot;American&quot; or &quot;not traditional differences&quot;. (Even if these types of spellings can be found in some old editions.)

Changing &quot;bewray&quot; to &quot;betray&quot; is a word change. They are two different words with two different meanings. One comes from Old English, meaning to reveal inadvertently. The other means to trade something treacherously.');
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You can now listen to the You Tube video of this teaching here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj-XtqtMSGw&amp;list=PL16B2149EE5E54979&amp;index=20 

As many of you know, James White is a King James Bible critic who thinks it is based on inferior texts and is full of inaccurate translations.  James White says he believes “the Bible” is the inerrant words of God, but when asked to tell us where we can get a copy of this inerrant and  complete Bible he will never tell you where to get one.  Why?  Simply because he doesn’t have one and doesn’t really believe such a thing exists in print anywhere on this earth.  His “inerrant” Bible is an ever changing, nebulous, unidentified, hypothetical figment of his imagination and personal opinions.  It is not a real and tangible Book in print that you or anyone else can actually hold in their hands, read for themselves and believe every word.

James White knows this to be true, in spite of his pious sounding words about believing “the Bible” (never identified by him) IS the inerrant words of God.  So he has written his book, The King James Only Controversy, in an attempt to overthrow the faith of us Bible believers that we really do have such a thing as the complete, authoritative, 100% historically true and inspired words of the living God in our Authorized King James Holy Bible.

One of the last ditch tactics of those I refer to as “Bible Agnostics” resort to, in their efforts to undermine and overthrow the KJB only position, is to ask us “Which KJV is the inerrant words of God?  the Cambridge edition or the Oxford edition? or the 1769 edition by Blayney?  Which KJV is your inspired and inerrant Bible?

Please note that when I say I am a King James Bible onlyist, I do not mean by this that I believe that only those who read, use and believe the King James Bible are saved and real Christians.  I do not mean this at all, nor do I believe that way.  The gospel of salvation is found in any bible out there in print, no matter how contradictory, imperfect, lacking or poorly translated it might be. God can and does reach His people with the truth of the gospel of salvation that is found only in our Lord Jesus Christ, even using the multitude of conflicting and ever changing modern versions, that nobody believes or defends as being the complete and infallible words of God.  Salvation is not limited to only those who use and believe the King James Bible is the true words of God. 

 However, NOBODY who uses and promotes  any of these modern versions like the NASB, ESV, NIV, NKJV, NET or Holman Standard believes that any of them are the inspired and 100% historically true words of God.  That is the crucial and fundamental difference between the Bible believers and the bible agnostics who do not know for sure what God may or may not have said in His Book.

So, let’s take a  closer look at what James White has to say in his book about the “revisions” of the King James Bible and what he has to offer us in its place.

James begins discussing what he calls “The Revisions of the KJV” on page 78 of his book. He starts off by telling us: “The KJV that is carried by the average KJV advocate today looks very different than the edition that came off the press of Robert Barker in 1611. Not only do many printings of the KJV today lack the marginal notes and references, but the form of the text, and the wording of the text, has undergone change over time.  Editions with changes in the text came out as soon as 1612, another in 1613, followed by editions in 1616, 1629, and 1638...Most modern KJVs follow the revision made by Benjamin Blayney in 1769.  Jack Lewis notes that Blayney “did extensive revision”...

He continues: “Does the modern edition of the KJV differ significantly from the 1611?  That depends upon how one defines the term “significantly.”  For the general audience who are seeking merely to understand the textual tradition of the KJV, no, most of the revisions have dealt with small matters of spelling, punctuation, etc. But for those who assert the absolute inerrancy of the KJV the question looms large: Which KJV?”

Mr. White then gives us a few examples of these “textual changes”, which I will address in a moment, and then he closes this section by saying: “How can one determine the “right” reading, when the KJV is made the absolute standard?  Of course, the non-KJV Only believer has recourse to Greek and Hebrew manuscripts.  But once a person has invested the English translation with inspiration itself, that route is no longer a consistent option.”

Mr. White has a similar conclusion on page 81 where he says: “So how can we determine the correct reading?  The person who does not make the KJV the absolute authority in all things has an easy answer: look at the Hebrew text and find out.  But the KJV Only believer cannot do this without betraying his position. If we have to refer to the original languages here, then we would need to do the same thing in other places where the KJV is shown to be wanting, such as Acts 5:30 or Titus 2:13.  Plainly, if we make the KJV the starting point (and this is exactly what radical KJV Onlyism does), there is simply no way of determining the correct text of Jeremiah 34:16.  Thankfully we are not limited to the KJV as our only source of information. The Hebrew is plural here.”

[Note:  James White is completely wrong when he says that Acts 5:30 and Titus 2:13 are “wanting”.  They are both right.  See Acts 5:30 here  - http://brandplucked.webs.com/acts530slewhanged1920.htm

And Titus 2:13 here - http://brandplucked.webs.com/deityofchrist3verses.htm

James White is a very smooth talker and very tricky in the way he words things to give the impression he wishes you to have of him and his views.  He piously tells us that the non King James Bible believer has “recourse to Greek and Hebrew manuscripts” and later on refers to “the Hebrew”.  He seems to want you to think he actually has a real Bible “in the original languages” that he believes is the inerrant Standard of God’s inspired words. Yet it is as obvious as the noon day sun to those of us who have at least a rudimentary knowledge of the textual issues involved in the Bible version debate that James White and those like him have NO specific Hebrew and much less any Greek text that they believe are the complete and infallible words of God.

James will never tell you where you can find a complete, inspired and 100% true Holy Bible in ANY language, including his alluded to Hebrew and Greek manuscripts.  He has no such Book and he knows it, but he apparently wants you to think that he does, or at least that he can piece one together if called upon to do so. His real “Absolute Standard” and “inerrant Bible” is a phantom, a vapor and a mist of nebulous, undefined and ever changing personal preferences and opinions.  

The modern versions like the NASB, NIV, ESV he recommends to replace the King James Holy Bible are in fact the new “Catholic” bibles put together by the Catholic/Evangelical Combine to produce an “interconfessional” common text bible that rejects scores of Hebrew readings, which all modern version promoters think have been either corrupted or lost, and they are based on an ever changing eclectic Greek text that both modern day Evangelicals and Catholics can agree upon that omits literally thousands of words from the New Testaments of all Reformation Bibles.

Can I prove these allegations about the modern versions like the NIV, NASB, ESV, NET and Holman Standard being the &quot;new&quot; Catholic bibles?  Absolutely.  See my article Undeniable Proof that the NIV, NASB, ESV are today’s new Catholic bibles -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/realcatholicbibles.htm

In part One you will also find the links where we show many examples of where these modern versions often reject the Hebrew manuscripts James White makes reference to.  

And here is part Two with numerous, concrete textual examples of how the modern, “united” UBS critical Greek text Catholic and Evangelical scholars are coming out with a common text that nobody seriously believes is the infallible words of God -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/esvcatholicpart2.htm

Now, let’s take a look at the examples of the so called “Revisions of the KJV” that James White mentions in his book.  

First of all, the King James Bible has NEVER been “revised”.  By this we simply mean that the King James Bible’s underlying Hebrew and Greek texts have never changed in over 400 years.  When the bible agnostics speak of the alleged “thousands of changes” in the various editions or printings of the King James Bible, what has really changed is the type font from Gothic print to  the Roman type, the spelling of many words like sinne to sin, and doore to door, Goe to go and hee to he.  The spelling has been modernized, but the text itself has never changed.

The examples James White brings up in his book are nothing more than minor and easily explained printing errors that have occurred over the course of 400 years of printing history.

 Even the American Bible Society, no friend to the King James Bible, had this to say about the &quot;revisions&quot; of the King James Bible. The American Bible Society wrote, &quot;The English Bible, as left by the translators (of 1611), has come down to us unaltered in respect to its text.&quot; They further stated, &quot;With the exception of typographical errors and changes required by the progress of orthography in the English language, the text of our present Bibles remains unchanged, and without variation from the original copy as left by the translators&quot; (Committee on Versions to the Board of Managers, American Bible Society, 1852).

See my article called “The Printing Error Ploy” - 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/printingerrors.htm

In my opinion James White creates a false standard by either saying or implying that we King James Bible believers are not allowed to have “recourse to the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts”, which, by the way, he will never identify for you. 

 The King James Bible English translation obviously did come from very specific Hebrew and Greek texts.  We do not deny this at all. As a King James Bible believer I frequently consult the Hebrew and Greek texts that underlie this magnificent English translation called the King James Holy Bible.  But I never try to use these same specific Hebrew and Greek texts to “correct” or change or alter in any way what is written in the King James Bible I have in my possession and read every day.

We King James Bible believers maintain that not only did the Sovereign God of the Universe lead and guide the King James Bible translators to the correct and SPECIFIC inspired Hebrew and Greek texts (after all -  only He knows for sure what He inspired among all the thousands of variant readings) but that He also guided them to put INTO THE ENGLISH TEXT ITSELF exactly what meanings He wants to be there in the English language.

The examples James White comes up with in his book are nothing more than minor printing errors that were soon caught and corrected.  Even Mr. White himself explains: “Of course, the process of printing such a large and cumbersome work created printer’s errors as well.  Even today we find such things in our computer type-set Bibles, so it is easy to understand how mistakes could creep into the text of the Bible, printed as it was in a much more laborious and difficult manner.”  (pages 77-78)

Indeed, the printing process was very cumbersome and extremely difficult.  They had to set the individual letters one letter at a time, upside down and backwards and it would have been very easy for a tired and harried printer to easily overlook or confuse a few letters or words as he went about placing the hand written text into the printed format.

A bit later James states: “For most people the changes are both minor and essentially trivial, for no one would seriously consider the idea that a printer’s error, or even a difference in the final printed editions that ends up being copied by other publishing companies, is truly relevant to the Word of God.”  (page 79)  

Well, I agree with him in these statements he makes about the printing errors.

The  King James Bible believer has something the modern versionists do not have.  They themselves do not believe that any Bible in any language IS or ever was the complete and infallible words of God.  On the other hand, we do, and we have a “double check system” they do not have because their Hebrew and Greek texts are constantly changing and they often reject the Hebrew readings. 

 We King James Bible believers have BOTH the underlying, specific Hebrew and Greek texts that have never changed to consult AND the God given English text that we believe and read every day.  If we find what might be a printing error in the English text, all we have to do is take a look at the Hebrew or Greek texts that form the underlying basis of our English translation.  This is what has traditionally been done with the King James Bible.  No Bible in history has been so minutely examined, compared and cared for so as to maintain its purity and precision as the King James Bible.

The examples James brings up on page 79 of his book are the following.  After asking “Which KJV?” he lists Deuteronomy 26:1 where “the LORD” was changed to “the LORD thy God”.  This easily explained printing error was found and corrected in 1629.  

In Joshua 13:29 “Manasseh” was changed to “the children of Manasseh”.  This printing error was found and corrected in 1638.

In Psalm 69:32 “seek good”  was changed to “seek God”.  This easily explained printing error of just one letter was caught and changed to the correct reading of “seek God” in 1617 merely by comparing the Hebrew text and the previous English bibles.

In Jeremiah 49:1 a similar thing occurred when “inherit God” was caught and corrected in 1616 to correctly read “inherit Gad”.

In Mark 10:18 “there is no man good, but one” was changed in 1638 to “there is none good but one”, and in 1616 the “approved unto death” was caught and corrected to “appointed unto death” in 1 Corinthians 4:9 as it had read in Tyndale, Coverdale, the Great Bible, Matthew’s Bible, Bishops’ bible and the Geneva Bible.

The one that seems highly important to the bible agnostic crowd is found in 1 John 5:12 where the original printing in 1611 accidentally omitted the words “of God” and read: “He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son hath not life.”  This minor error did not change the meaning of the verse at all, and was caught and changed to “he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.” in 1629.  How did they discover this minor printing error?  (They are ALL minor)  They merely consulted the underlying, specific Greek texts that form part of our inspired and infallible Bible and then made the necessary correction to the English text. This correction was made in 1629.

It is important to note that none of these King James Bibles with their minor, past printing errors are around today and nobody uses them. If you ever find one that has one of these past printing errors in them, they would be worth thousands upon thousands of dollars and of interest only to rare book collectors.

You can find out for yourself about the correction of these minor printing errors by picking up a copy of ‘The Authorized Edition of the English Bible (1611) It’s Subsequent Reprints And Modern Representatives” by F.H.A. Scrivener, Cambridge: at the University Press 1884.  You can purchase a copy from the Bible For Today at www.BibleForToday.org  Telephone 856-854-4452.  Notice they are called “Reprints” NOT “Revisions”!

These previous minor printing errors have been found and corrected over the years, most within the first 25 to 30 years of the first printing of the Holy Bible in 1611.  James White mentions a couple that still exist between the Oxford editions and the Cambridge editions.  We will take a closer look at these two examples, both of extremely minor importance to the overall issue of an inspired and infallible Bible.

James mentions Ruth 3:15 where the 1611 printing said “and HE went into the city” (speaking of Boaz) whereas the present Cambridge printing says “and SHE went into the city” (speaking of Ruth).

Ruth 3:15. The Cambridge edition, which I use, says: &quot;Also he said, Bring the vail that thou hast upon thee, and hold it. And when she held it, he measured six measures of barley, and laid it on her: and SHE went into the city.&quot;

There was a discrepancy between the edition published in 1611 and the one published in 1613. The verse in question was Ruth 3:15. In the 1611 edition, it read, “HE went into the city,” referring to Boaz. In the 1613 edition, it read, “SHE went into the city,” referring to Ruth. These two editions became known as “the Great He Bible” and “the Great She Bible,” respectively. 

This printing error was soon discovered and changed back to the reading of &quot;she&quot; went into the city.

There still continue to be differences among the many versions even in Ruth 3:15. Those versions that read: &quot;And HE went into the city&quot; are the NIV 1984 and 2011 editions, Revised Version 1885, American Standard Version 1901, Darby 1890, Young\'s, the Jewish 1917 translation, the 1998 Complete Jewish Bible translation, the World English Bible, New Century Version 1991, New Living Translation, the New Revised Standard Version 1989, and the 2005 TNIV (Today\'s NIV).

The versions that read: &quot;And SHE went into the city&quot; are the KJB, NKJV, NASB, Revised Standard Version, Coverdale, Bishop\'s, Douay, Bible in Basic English, Geneva bible, 1936 Jewish translation, Holman Standard, New English Bible 1970, Douay 1950, New Jerusalem Bible 1985, and the 2001 English Standard Version. Notice in the case of the RSV, NRSV, and ESV, each of which is a revision of the other, that the RSV went with &quot;he&quot;, then the NRSV read &quot;she&quot;, and the latest ESV has now gone back to &quot;he&quot; again.

We even get conflicting footnotes in some of these versions. The NKJV which reads SHE, just as the KJB and NASB, has a footnote which says: &quot;Masoretic text reads HE; some Hebrew manuscripts, Syriac, and Vulgate read SHE. But the NASB footnote reads  “many manuscripts read “she”, Masoretic text has “he”. 

However the NIV, NRSV, both of which still say HE, have footnotes telling us: &quot;Most Hebrew manuscripts read HE, but many Hebrew manuscripts, Vulgate and Syriac read SHE.&quot;  So, the multitude of modern versions continue to disagree among themselves in their textual reading.  

In neither example is the meaning of the English text changed.  In  Ruth 3:15 there are Hebrew texts that read “he” and others that read “she”.  In either case, both Boaz and Ruth ended up going into the city.

The other example James White brings up in his book on page 80 is Jeremiah 34:16.  He has a chart which shows the Cambridge edition reading “whom YE had set at liberty” while the Oxford edition says: “whom HE had set at liberty”.  He says he consulted with James Price (another bible agnostic) who was largely responsible for the NKJV translation and the Hebrew word is plural and so it should be “ye” or “you” and not “he”, as the NKJV has it.  

Jeremiah 34:16 &quot;But ye turned and polluted my name, and caused every man his servant, and every man his handmaid, whom YE had set at liberty at their pleasure, to return, and brought them into subjection...&quot;

The original 1611 said &quot;YE&quot; as does the Cambridge edition today, but the Oxford KJB edition says &quot;whom HE had set at liberty&quot;.

Other Bible Versions in Jeremiah 34:16 - &quot;whom YE (or YOU) had set at liberty&quot; - Wycliffe 1395, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew’s Bible 1549, the Bishops’s Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the ASV, RV, NASB, NIV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Rotherham\'s Emphasized bible 1902, the 1917 Jewish translation put out by Jewish Publication Society, and the Third Millenium Bible 1998.

However other versions say &quot;whom HE had set at liberty&quot; - including the NKJV, Youngs, 1936 Jewish translation put out by the Hebrew Publishing Company of New York, and  Lamsa’s 1936 translation of the Syriac.  The NIV Spanish translation has made it a singular instead of the Hebrew plural as found in the NIV English translation.  The Spanish Reina Valera\'s read as does the KJB with &quot;que habíais liberado&quot; (whom ye had set at liberty) but the NIV Nueva Versión Internacional has made it a singular with &quot;que había liberado.&quot; (whom he had set at liberty).

As for Jeremiah 34:16 the plural “ye” is the more correct Hebrew reading, but even if we go with “he” the basic meaning of the passage is still not changed at all. The “he” would be just each individual member of the group referred to collectively as “ye”.  If those who strain at gnats and swallow the camel of the bogus modern day Bible Babble Buffet versions that reject the Hebrew readings in scores of places, add hundreds of words from the so called Greek Septuagint, continue to change the underlying Hebrew and Greek texts as well as their English translations from one edition to the next,  and are based on the wrong, corrupted Catholic Greek texts in their the New Testaments that omit anywhere from 17 to 45 entire verses plus another couple thousand words on top of that, then let them choke on their camel of unbelief in the infallibility of the Bible.  They will never be satisfied until you go along with them in their unbelief in an inspired and inerrant Bible.

By the way, this alleged printing error found in Matthew 23:24 of “strain AT a gnat” is NOT a printing error at all.  Here is why:

http://brandplucked.webs.com/mt23strainat1tim29sha.htm

Conclusion - Which King James Bible?

The King James Bible believer, when asked by others where we can get God’s complete, inspired and 100% historically true words of God can confidently say that God’s pure words of truth are found in any King James Bible you can buy in the stores today. 

Men like James White SAY they believe The Bible IS the inerrant words of God, but when you back them into a corner to tell us exactly where we can get this infallible Book they profess to believe in, they have nothing to give us. We have now answered their question of &quot;Which KJV?&quot;.  Let James White and others like him return the favor and now answer ours if they can - &quot;Which Bible is the infallible words of God?&quot;

All of grace, believing The Book and kept by the power of God through faith,

Will Kinney

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A good example of this is seen in Kenneth E. Hagin\'s booklet &quot;Love Never Fails&quot;. In this, he quotes Galatians 5:22,23 correctly from the King James Bible - &quot;But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.&quot;

On the very next page, he seeks to undermine the plain reading by saying: &quot;As W. E. Vine and others point out, this passage in Galatians is not referring to the Holy Spirit; it\'s referring to the human spirit, although the Holy Spirit is involved. At times it\'s difficult to tell whether Paul is talking about the Holy Spirit or the human spirit because the same Greek word, [i:db4e6cf8d0]pneuma[/i:db4e6cf8d0], is used.&quot;

Sadly, this type of let\'s-go-to-the-Greek rubbish undermines the plain fact that the Bible is clearly talking about the Holy Spirit because &quot;Spirit&quot; is used in Galatians 5:22. (Also, note that the same issue can be seen in 1 John 5:8 where the correct reading of &quot;spirit&quot; is [b:db4e6cf8d0]not [/b:db4e6cf8d0]talking about the Holy Spirit.).

This type of behaviour is repeated continuously throughout the Earth now where people feel they have to go to the so-called original languages to correct what is plainly written in front of them. The reality is that it is better to adjust your own beliefs to match the Bible than to seek to shove aside the Bible\'s clear wording to match your own beliefs. This has also been seen in the theistic evolution movement that has sought to deny clear young-Earth creationist doctrine to try to fit man\'s false science of evolution into the Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2063', 'ccafbff8d6', '', '[quote:ccafbff8d6]In neither example is the meaning of the English text changed. In Ruth 3:15 there are Hebrew texts that read “he” and others that read “she”. In either case, both Boaz and Ruth ended up going into the city. [/quote:ccafbff8d6]

Since the &quot;he&quot; reading was clearly a printer\'s error, it is not actually a true representation of the underlying reading. The fact is that the Bible shows us that Ruth went back to the city, and that is all we need to know. Any attempt to somehow justify a printing error as &quot;possibly true&quot; is not required. A double minded statement can destabalise the arguement.

[quote:ccafbff8d6]As for Jeremiah 34:16 the plural “ye” is the more correct Hebrew reading[/quote:ccafbff8d6]

Rather, the most correct reading as given in English is &quot;ye&quot;. &quot;He&quot; was a printer\'s error.

We do not need to look at Hebrew/Greek to know what should be correct in each place, since we already know that the King James Bible has been thoroughly checked and properly edited to ensure absolute accuracy in these regards.

Here is my response to James White\'s views on this issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGwFUgG-Qew');
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[color=red:922426a32b]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:922426a32b]

WELCOME! [i:922426a32b]The Protector[/i:922426a32b] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:922426a32b][color=darkblue:922426a32b]EDITORIAL[/color:922426a32b][/size:922426a32b]

THE GOSPEL IS FULLY PRESENT TODAY

Does upholding the King James Bible as perfect undermine the proper authority of the preserved Scriptures in the original languages?

The original languages were of great use in the Reformation period, which is why the KJB was translated directly from those tongues into English, with wide reference to other sources. This means that the Word of God being fully, properly and wholly coming into English means that our English Bible is practically supersuccessionary to original language writings — since a full translation has taken place.

The authority of Scripture is in Scripture itself. Scripture exists in English. We know that this is a Biblically consistent argument because of references like:

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” (Matthew 24:14).

“But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith” (Romans 16:26).

Most importantly, it is difficult to ascribe &quot;authority&quot; to the original languages only today, or as superior today, because:

1. No Bible verse instructs us to uphold the original language.

2. No full text in the original languages exists today which is completely correct to the jot and tittle (or is agreed upon as perfect).

3. Very few Christians know those languages, and even less deal with them competently.

“But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.” (1 Peter 1:25).

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A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
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“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:922426a32b]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:922426a32b]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
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Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

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Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:922426a32b][color=darkblue:922426a32b]DIRECTORY[/color:922426a32b][/size:922426a32b]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2065', '2351da555c', 'PCE is correct', '[quote:2351da555c]The King James Bible believer, when asked by others where we can get God’s complete, inspired and 100% historically true words of God can confidently say that God’s pure words of truth are found in any King James Bible you can buy in the stores today.[/quote:2351da555c]
Sadly, some KJBs in stores reflect a fiddling with the words, a trend that has started to multiply. This is why we need to acknowledge the final edition - the Pure Cambridge Edition as being [b:2351da555c]concrete and irreversible[/b:2351da555c]. Then, we wouldn\'t have problems where some KJBs have the incorrect &quot;Spirit&quot; in 1 John 5:8 instead of the correct &quot;spirit&quot;. And it\'s no use (as Riplinger has done) to say they both are correct renditions, else we go the way of the modern versionists who deviate from the truth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2066', '089ec285c2', 'stablish and establish', '[color=darkblue:089ec285c2]Hi Folks,

I often like to use the stablish - establish distinction to show the accuracy of the AV and how English can make understanding easier than the source languages.

Writing on this recently on FFF:[/color:089ec285c2]
[color=darkred:089ec285c2]
stablish and establish
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/2052093-post18.html[/color:089ec285c2]

[color=darkblue:089ec285c2]Got this response from the BVDB forum (where they do not like to have their many errors highlighted and corrected):[/color:089ec285c2]
[color=darkred:089ec285c2]
Quibbling over words = KJVO characteristic 
http://bibleversiondiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/5293/Quibbling-over-words-KJVO-characteristic[/color:089ec285c2]
[color=darkblue:089ec285c2]
and you will find it :) 

The issue was &quot;parallel passages&quot;, which often supply special providential insight.

===========================[/color:089ec285c2]
[color=indigo:089ec285c2]
2 Samuel 7:13 
He shall build an house for my name, 
and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

1 Chronicles 22:10 
He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, 
and I will be his father; 
and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.
[/color:089ec285c2][color=darkblue:089ec285c2]
Notice &quot;over Israel : &#1506;&#1500;-&#1497;&#1513;&#1512;&#1488;&#1500;

===========================[/color:089ec285c2]
[color=indigo:089ec285c2]
1 Kings 9:5
Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, 
as I promised to David thy father, saying, 
There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

2 Chronicles 7:18 
Then will I stablish the throne of thy kingdom, 
according as I have covenanted with David thy father, saying, 
There shall not fail thee a man to be ruler in Israel.
[/color:089ec285c2][color=darkblue:089ec285c2]
===========================

Clearly this simply confirms the distinctions.[/color:089ec285c2]
[color=darkred:089ec285c2]
establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel 
establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.

stablish the throne of thy kingdom
stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.[/color:089ec285c2]
[color=darkblue:089ec285c2]
established over Israel .. and stablished 

stablished over - would be very difficult, since stablished is secure in position, while here established is relational to the kingdom of Israel, being established over Israel

The English properly reflects the full context of the Hebrew, which has the clear distinction implied between the two verses in parallel.

===========================

To try to pretend there was an argument here, the poster cleverly omitted:[/color:089ec285c2]
[color=darkred:089ec285c2]
&quot;upon Israel for ever&quot;
[/color:089ec285c2][color=darkblue:089ec285c2]
from the 1 Kings verse. In fact, the attempt attack on &quot;quibbling&quot; about the purity and accuracy of God\'s words is quite ironic (quibble about the accuracy of the word of God ??). And has once again strongly verified the wisdom, grace, authority, consistency and providential excellence of the AV.

===========================

Incidentally, this is yet another example of how the cornfuseniks simply do not understand English and approach questions atomistically, rather than looking at the full grammatical and linguistic context.

Shalom,
Steven  [/color:089ec285c2]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2067', '113d5f8559', 'Precise English', 'This is a wonderful example of the preciseness of the meaning of a word and its relationship with all the other words which are present in the immediate context.

Some anti-KJBOs make themselves look extremely foolish as they go to lengths in trying to deny the accuracy and precision of the King James Bible’s English.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2068', '19ad834322', 'The Protector. 9 October 2011', '[img:19ad834322]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:19ad834322]

[color=red:19ad834322]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:19ad834322]

WELCOME! [i:19ad834322]The Protector[/i:19ad834322] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:19ad834322][color=darkblue:19ad834322]EDITORIAL[/color:19ad834322][/size:19ad834322]

GOD’S RIGHT OVER HUMAN LIFE

The framers of the American republic understood that the rights of man were given by God. But in these modern times, a set of “rights” has been set up which contradicts the Bible.

People talk about opposing capital punishment because of some misguided idea of human rights. The Bible never talks about the sanctity of human life. Instead, human life is subject to God’s laws. (God’s laws include the preservation of the innocent and the punishment of the guilty, and the justness of war.)

The God of love as revealed in the New Testament has some things to tell us:

1. Jesus condoned governmental violence against wicked men, “They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.” (Matthew 21:41).

2. The New Testament supports execution by the state, “ For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.” (Romans 13:4).

3. The Holy Ghost caused people to die instantly, “Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.” (Acts 5:10).

There are, of course, various organisations who work to help oppressed people, but none can truly help like the Christian Church. This is because the Church is able to deal with the underlying issue of sin, which is the root of all injustices and bad behaviour.

Also, governments of a Christian culture would find they have the mandate to act properly against hardened criminals and warlords. Socialist school programs or forced re-education are not the solution. Only the Gospel is the solution.

[size=18:19ad834322][color=darkblue:19ad834322]NEWS[/color:19ad834322][/size:19ad834322]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:19ad834322]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:19ad834322]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:19ad834322][color=darkblue:19ad834322]DIRECTORY[/color:19ad834322][/size:19ad834322]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2069', '1c9f77d516', 'The Protector, 16 October 2011', '[img:1c9f77d516]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:1c9f77d516]

[color=red:1c9f77d516]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:1c9f77d516]

WELCOME! [i:1c9f77d516]The Protector[/i:1c9f77d516] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:1c9f77d516][color=darkblue:1c9f77d516]EDITORIAL[/color:1c9f77d516][/size:1c9f77d516]

WHAT IS “BIBLICAL ENGLISH”?

Very simply, Biblical English is the language used in the Bible, and its style, which is used to give the Scripture in English. The Bible is not just a book of literature, but as a book, it has its epitome in English, being the Authorized King James Bible.

As we examine the language of the Bible we would notice that there has been an editorial process in the editions of the King James Bible, which has come to a finality in the Pure Cambridge Edition. The great importance here is not just in having a good translation or well fitting words, but that every word and letter is endowed with meaning, and that worlds of doctrine may hang on a single point of punctuation.

The language of the King James Bible is correct, but the presentation of that language was not finalised until the Pure Cambridge Edition. While proper doctrines have existed prior to the King James Bible, the very precision of doctrines can be confirmed and understood by regarding the very particular concepts communicated in the correct jots and tittle form of the Scripture in English.

“For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:18).

God, of course, cares for the precision of Scripture. But it is not enough just to know that we have the Scripture. “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.” (James 1:22).

[size=18:1c9f77d516][color=darkblue:1c9f77d516]NEWS[/color:1c9f77d516][/size:1c9f77d516]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:1c9f77d516]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:1c9f77d516]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:1c9f77d516][color=darkblue:1c9f77d516]DIRECTORY[/color:1c9f77d516][/size:1c9f77d516]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2070', 'b64e2ebeaf', 'The Protector, 23 October 2011', '[img:b64e2ebeaf]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:b64e2ebeaf]

[color=red:b64e2ebeaf]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:b64e2ebeaf]

WELCOME! [i:b64e2ebeaf]The Protector[/i:b64e2ebeaf] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:b64e2ebeaf][color=darkblue:b64e2ebeaf]EDITORIAL[/color:b64e2ebeaf][/size:b64e2ebeaf]

THE OLD ENEMY IS STILL HERE

Names change, but the old agenda stays the same. This brings us to the old wise saying, “The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.” (Ecclesiastes 1:9).

When communism collapsed, the communists did not go away. They just became part of another socialist movement. It would be a mistake to think that these ideas are just concerned with economics. Even though, “the love of money is the root of all evil” (1 Timothy 6:10).

The real issue why people are committed to their unbelieving systems and religions ultimately (a lot of people never reach this point) they will reject the Gospel, and require a way of hiding or continuing their sin.

The battlefield is the realm of ideas. It is not just about people being “red”-turned-“green” with public spending or whatever. It is about their workings which are designed to minimize the uniqueness of Christianity.

“But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.” (2 Timothy 3:13).

Many things are done in the name of Christ. We hear all kinds of blasphemy about Christ, or things which are done in the name of Christ. The Lord Jesus came to save sodomites, nature-worshippers, witches, money-lovers and so on FROM their sins. Ironically, a leading Jesuit publication in Australia shows which side they are backing, publishing articles like, “Why I support gay marriage”, and promoting sayings such as, “Osama bin Laden\'s death was, murder”.

[size=18:b64e2ebeaf][color=darkblue:b64e2ebeaf]NEWS[/color:b64e2ebeaf][/size:b64e2ebeaf]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:b64e2ebeaf]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:b64e2ebeaf]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:b64e2ebeaf][color=darkblue:b64e2ebeaf]DIRECTORY[/color:b64e2ebeaf][/size:b64e2ebeaf]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2071', '4cd6d68627', 'KJB Only and Church Unity', '&quot;And when he had given thanks, he brake [i:4cd6d68627]it[/i:4cd6d68627], and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.&quot; (1 Corinthians 11:24).

This week, I was discussing this verse with a woman and how it was referring to Jesus breaking the bread, which was symbolic of His body to be broken on the cross. She stopped me and brought to my notice that the word &quot;it&quot; was in italics and could be removed because &quot;it wasn\'t in the originals&quot;. She said that her doctor (!) had told her this and that when you omitted the &quot;it&quot;, the verse meant that Jesus had a broken heart.

[b:4cd6d68627]I was astounded that this tampering with the King James Bible was so prevalent.[/b:4cd6d68627] I have addressed the italics question in my post of August 17 2011 for those interested.

I told her that the word &quot;it&quot; is a part of Scripture and should not be taken out because it changed the meaning of the verse. I explained a bit about italics in the KJB. I told her that the vast majority of people read this verse as that Jesus had broken the bread. She retorted that there is no perfect translation. I told her that God has provided His pure and perfect Word for us today.

This type of problem in the body of Christ is not only prevalent but engenders confusion (as this woman illustrated) and undermines godly unity. Imagine if she had been talking with someone who knew nothing about the issue!

&quot;Every word of God [i:4cd6d68627]is [/i:4cd6d68627]pure: he [i:4cd6d68627]is [/i:4cd6d68627]a shield unto them that put their trust in him.&quot; (Proverbs 30:5).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2072', '38b1744c89', 'KJB Testimony', 'Katrina\'s is a great testimony, God is merciful.

As an addition to my own testimony: As a young Christian,  a comment was made to me along the lines that \'If I was going to use any modern version, the New King James was the best of a bad bunch\'. I thought at the time that this was giving credence to the New King James version and that\'s what got me on the road to using it! What a pity because it meant a long time without studying the pure Word and having the victory that comes along with it. When I started using the King James Bible, that’s when real victory came into my life. A person can be saved, but yet be buffeted around by the devil because they don’t know how to stand in faith. Modern versions did not help to build my faith to stand against the tribulations that can arise in life, and to come out victoriously. I had faith in Christ as my Saviour, but I didn’t have the pure Word to anchor me down. When I started using the King James Bible, my eyes were opened, and God helped me to walk by faith. 
I pray there will be an awakening amongst Christians to how vital it is to have the pure Word to stand on.

“So then faith [i:38b1744c89]cometh [/i:38b1744c89]by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” (Romans 10:17)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2073', 'a08be86e6c', 'The Protector, 30 October 2011', '[img:a08be86e6c]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:a08be86e6c]

[color=red:a08be86e6c]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:a08be86e6c]

WELCOME! [i:a08be86e6c]The Protector[/i:a08be86e6c] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:a08be86e6c][color=darkblue:a08be86e6c]EDITORIAL[/color:a08be86e6c][/size:a08be86e6c]

PATRIOTIC EDUCATION

Young people used to make this pledge before the Australian Flag: “I love God and my country; I honour the flag; I will serve the Queen, and cheerfully obey my parents, teachers, and the laws.”

“Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.” (Romans 13:7).

“Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.” (1 Peter 2:17).

Why should replace a patriotic pledge with a false kind of pledge or no pledge?

The statement “I love God” links to the fact that Australia’s constitution acknowledges God and that there is supposed to be a Christian basis of our culture.

It is also important for young people to love their country. The flag is a symbol of that country. This is proper patriotism. Very often it seems that the attack on these ideals is designed as an attack on the Bible. (Those people who might no longer serve the King should have good reasons for doing so, as the Cromwellians and the Americans showed.)

The rule of law and respect of those who operate in and enforce the law is necessary. The Bible shows how parents ought to behave, it shows how education ought to be, and it shows what spirit laws ought to have.

What is dreadful is the anti-loyalism of some. What is worse is that the countries leaders, parents, teachers and so on bring the proper culture into disrepute.

[size=18:a08be86e6c][color=darkblue:a08be86e6c]NEWS[/color:a08be86e6c][/size:a08be86e6c]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:a08be86e6c]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:a08be86e6c]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:a08be86e6c][color=darkblue:a08be86e6c]DIRECTORY[/color:a08be86e6c][/size:a08be86e6c]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2074', '81d749c393', 'Royalty fees for KJB public reading', 'I read your article on Patriotic Education, and the copyright issue of KJB came to mind,
I was wondering if there is something not quite right about copyright infringement and [b:81d749c393]public reading[/b:81d749c393] of the KJB?

http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=597&amp;highlight=
[quote:81d749c393]“Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.” (Romans 13:7).
“Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.” (1 Peter 2:17).[/quote:81d749c393]

http://www.baptiststandard.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=13136&amp;
[quote:81d749c393]In honor of the KJV\'s 400th anniversary, London\'s newly reconstituted Globe Theater—Shakespeare\'s old home stage—scheduled a series of actors to recite the entire King James Bible from the stage between Palm Sunday and Easter of 2011. But a few days before the presentation, the director received a bill for payment of a substantial royalty fee for the privilege of reading it publicly. The British Crown actually owns the copyright to the King James Bible, which has been renewed upon the accession of each succeeding monarch since King James himself. So the queen, through the auspices of Cambridge University Press, was sending him a bill, according to BBC Music Magazine. [/quote:81d749c393]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2075', '36c461c08c', '', 'Matters which occur within the United Kingdom (and the story is mere hearsay) are for those within the UK. There is no restriction on the KJB in the USA or Australia. So we have no issue.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2076', '14b6ac3af0', 'Thomas Nelson Bought Out By Harper Collins', 'Religious publisher Thomas Nelson Inc. is being acquired by HarperCollins Publishers, a company owned by Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp. that already runs Nelson’s biggest rival.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20111101/BUSINESS01/311010035/HarperCollins-to-buy-Thomas-Nelson');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2077', '6333193b63', '', 'Hopefully that thwarts the Nelson text of the KJB, which has increasingly been modernised &amp; americanised.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2078', 'e9b29cb785', 'The Protector, 6 November 2011', '[img:e9b29cb785]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:e9b29cb785]

[color=red:e9b29cb785]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:e9b29cb785]

WELCOME! [i:e9b29cb785]The Protector[/i:e9b29cb785] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:e9b29cb785][color=darkblue:e9b29cb785]EDITORIAL[/color:e9b29cb785][/size:e9b29cb785]

THE PRECISION OF THE LANGUAGE

“Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.” (Judges 12:6).

The Scripture lays out that there is a “right” pronunciation. The English language has the sound “sh”, unlike various other languages which do not have that sound.

Precision in sounds also relates to proper lettering. In the New Testament of the King James Bible we have words like “Booz” instead of “Boaz” from the Old. The reason for this is because the New Testament was translated from Greek. The English Bible is in fact the standard of the words of the Scripture.

This does not mean that the Scripture has not been translated into other languages, but it does mean that God has succeeded in having a “standard” for today. We don’t have to go the margin of the Bible, we don’t have to cross out italic words... all we need to do is read the Bible and believe it.

“But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” (Matthew 4:4).

“And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.” (Luke 4:4).

[size=18:e9b29cb785][color=darkblue:e9b29cb785]NEWS[/color:e9b29cb785][/size:e9b29cb785]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:e9b29cb785]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:e9b29cb785]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:e9b29cb785][color=darkblue:e9b29cb785]DIRECTORY[/color:e9b29cb785][/size:e9b29cb785]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2079', 'dced02bc6e', 'The Protector, 13 November 2011', '[img:dced02bc6e]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:dced02bc6e]

[color=red:dced02bc6e]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:dced02bc6e]

WELCOME! [i:dced02bc6e]The Protector[/i:dced02bc6e] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:dced02bc6e][color=darkblue:dced02bc6e]EDITORIAL[/color:dced02bc6e][/size:dced02bc6e]

COMING BLESSINGS

The New Testament contains a prophecy about the last days. From it, we can see that there will be riches. (This is because riches have been amassing out of history.)

“Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.” (James 5:1–3).

Yet, in a time of great riches, people are being harmed. And God is acting against the money hoarders.

“Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.” (James 5:4–6).

The Lord lays out a solution which gives hope to believers. He speaks of a time for blessing for the people of God, “Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” (James 5:7, 8).

It would seem as if many Christians have no conception of any coming dues, but rather expect things to go from bad to worse. That view is actually an unspiritual view because it ignores that fact that God is in control of history, and that God declares the end from the beginning.

[size=18:dced02bc6e][color=darkblue:dced02bc6e]NEWS[/color:dced02bc6e][/size:dced02bc6e]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:dced02bc6e]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:dced02bc6e]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:dced02bc6e][color=darkblue:dced02bc6e]DIRECTORY[/color:dced02bc6e][/size:dced02bc6e]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2080', 'c3192a351c', 'center column references', 'Where can you find the true center column references that in the center column? I mean what a Hebrew or Greek word means and alternative translations. I have the Interlinear Bible KJB RV Nelson Zondervan Broadman Holman National Publishing Company Hebrew Greek Key Key Study Bible
Zondervan KJB 1611 Cambridge

Where can you find the Pure Cambridge Edition today November 2011?
I am getting a Harper Collins Black Letter KJB for $13.99 special ordered at Barnes and Noble I\'ll let you know if its Pure Cambridge. Can there be possibly be another revision of the KJB for the 21st century. I know Cambridge has recently altered the text of the KJB with variant spellings eg changing spirit to Spirit in a few places in the NT.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2081', 'c7c81db642', '', 'The proper centre column references are printed in many Cambridge KJ Bibles today.

This video shows the most current information about obtaining PCEs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U&amp;feature=channel_video_title

There are various revisions and other differing editions of the KJB around, but people going down that line are introducing wrong changes, including meaning changes, which cannot be accepted since we already have a final standard edition.

Cambridge\'s recent changes might appear to be a few, but they are unacceptable. What is a lot worse is that there is one particular Cambridge Edition which has wholesale thousands of changes.

Careful study will show the correctness of the Pure Cambridge Edition in every place, but if people accept changes, there would be no end of them.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2082', 'f3634eafc4', 'Pure Cambridge Edition', 'I got two Collins King James Versions that not Pure Cambridge Edition it\'s the only ones that are still in print 
It looks like it was set on a computer
They failed on 1 John 5 8 
it looks like it may be a good idea to bring the Pure Cambridge Edition to a bookbinder 
Maybe people can get a Cambridge or Collins KJV and have a photocopy of the desired changes');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2083', 'b0f5fece0c', '', 'Ideally, someone could scan in an old copy. If I had the time, I would do it. Google books and archive.org have them, but they are pre-Pure Cambridge Editions. I am certain that a 1950s Cambridge Edition will be okay to upload in the USA, Australia, etc., but maybe not the UK.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2084', 'b5514b1c4e', 'KJV', 'I have a few plain text Bibles from various printers of the KJB. Looks like Zondervan cleaned up their act in the 2009 printing of a text only edition.
Imagine if Zondervan or Harper Collins were the custodians of the PCE? Is it sin to write in ones Bible and mark it with the correct reading because unfortunately that is what will happen in the future.
Next I look at the Pitt Minion Reference Bible which is correct on every point except for 1 John 5 8, the Cameo, and the Standard Text Edition. Remember it\'s 2011, Cambridge probably doesnt stock PCEs anymore at least in the US.Just for kicks, I\'ll look at Cambridge s successor the New Cambridge Paragraph Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2085', 'ce84ded28c', 'Cambridge s Standard Text', 'I went to a Barnes and Noble bookstore to order a Pitt Minion Reference Bible, it is generally faithful I have two pocket size ones and the only place where it did not match the Pure Cambridge Edition was 1 John 5 8. I\'ll mark that place when get it.  I just found out that the Cambridge Standard Text was the New Cambridge Paragraph Bible.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2086', 'fc72122946', '', 'The New Cambridge Paragraph Bible is heavily altered.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2087', 'a433dd8e8f', '', 'The Cambridge Standard Text Edition is different to the New Cambridge Paragraph Bible. Whether or not they are trying to uphold it now is another story.

The CSTE comes from the Eyre and Spottiswoode text that has been around for years, whereas the NCPB was created recently as an entirely new project.

Cambridge\'s PCE range in Cameos and Pitt Minions etc. are now being adjusted in 1 John 5:8 and maybe Acts 11:12 and 11:28. Other than that, they are close to the PCE.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2088', '56d8a7c1ec', 'Cambridge Standard Text', 'so I\'ll mark up the differences

There is an used bookstore in NYC called Strand Bookstore. They have in stock a Bible from Collins from 1945. is it Pure Cambridge?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2089', '93c630058b', '', 'You\'d have to check against the main 12 criteria. After that you can look at this list too: www.bibleprotector.com/editions');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2090', '480d51ccaf', 'Cambridge Standard Text', 'Strand and Argosy didn\'t have it
So I\'m getting the Cambridge Pitt Minion from Barnes and Noble it will get everything correct except 1 John 5 8 
I have other editions that have it as s not S so I\'ll mark it in my new Bible');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2091', '81527fb66c', 'The Protector, 20 November 2011', '[img:81527fb66c]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:81527fb66c]

[color=red:81527fb66c]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:81527fb66c]

WELCOME! [i:81527fb66c]The Protector[/i:81527fb66c] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:81527fb66c][color=darkblue:81527fb66c]EDITORIAL[/color:81527fb66c][/size:81527fb66c]

PSALM 23

It seems as if Psalm 23 has been turned to popular poetry, and many seem not to grasp its true meaning. “The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.” (Psalm 23:1). This literally means that all our needs are met.

“He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.” (Psalm 23:2). It is God, not man, which brings in the answers we need.

“He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name\'s sake.” (Psalm 23:3). Since God restores our souls, it means that our thinking is changed. Also, He brings us into His righteousness. This means He brings us to the right and proper standard before him.

“Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.” (Psalm 23:4). This means now at this present time God is with us.

“Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.” (Psalm 23:5). The provision of God is for this time, even though enemies are around.

“Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.” (Psalm 23:6). The only way this can be true is by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.

[size=18:81527fb66c][color=darkblue:81527fb66c]NEWS[/color:81527fb66c][/size:81527fb66c]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:81527fb66c]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:81527fb66c]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:81527fb66c][color=darkblue:81527fb66c]DIRECTORY[/color:81527fb66c][/size:81527fb66c]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2092', '20dc02b036', 'Pure Cambridge', 'I found a Pure Cambridge Edition from Mamaroneck  Public Library Children\'s Room.
Its a Collins Clear Type Press New Brev. 8vo Ref
It gives the year of different events in history eg. Genesis 1  is dated as B.C. 4004
The notes are not identified as giving a literal meaning of a Hebrew or Greek word , an alternative translation, and meanings of names
in the back of the Bible are  H.M.S. Richards Bible Helps. He was an SDA.

So  I would say if you can use
The Cambridge Pitt Minion Bible in reduced size or full size for the references and mark in you Bible the places where the text needs to match the PCE
The World Bible Publishers have same footnotes as the above Bible but the text needs to be changed to match the PCE
National bible Publishers in the US has a reference Bible 
The notes are good but the Bible reads like an Oxford
Broadman and Holman give the references at the bottom of the text 
The text has American spellings
The Zondervan has notes in the center  in some editions and notes on the bottom in other editions
Zondervan is noted as the giving American spellings
in 2009 Zondervan cleaned up it\'s act in the Pew Bible and a compact text 
The text believe it or not is very close to a PCE
If you want to get it than mark it up');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2093', '3874ac33b1', 'Women pastors/elders', 'What is the scriptural support for women pastors?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2094', '08f9473b62', 'Books on doctrine', 'What books are good for Christian doctrine?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2095', 'd3ea776984', '', 'Maybe Zondervan changed because it is owned by Collins.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2096', 'ba24c6a24c', '', 'There is some material here: http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2097', 'cc849b1966', 'good teaching', 'There are many good books on doctrine, and as there are many teachings of the Scripture, there are going to be various people with emphases on certain areas, for example, I would say as just some examples:

1. Protestantism: Foxe\'s Book of Martyrs, Bunyan\'s Pilgrim\'s Progress
2. Bible Versions: various KJBO writers/websites
3. Creation: Kent Hovind videos, Ken Ham
4. Faith, Healing and Prosperity: Kenneth Hagin books, Keith Moore recordings, Kenneth Copeland
5. Pentecostalism: Smith Wigglesworth, Leo Harris
6. Bible Prophecy: John Gill, Albert Barnes, B. W. Johnson
7. Sanctification and Holiness: John Wesley, Charles Finney
8. Apologetics: Josh McDowell, Henry Morris
9. Against Romanism: Ian Paisley, Jack T. Chick
10. Evangelism: Ray Comfort

While some of these examples are better than others, they would provide a good basis of teaching. Obviously, the Bible Protector website provides wholesome teaching on various subjects and the teaching of Victory Faith Centre, which you find here: www.bibleprotector.com/vfc');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2098', '69c72266d3', 'Systematic theology', 'Any good books on Systematic Theology?
I mean the major Christian doctrines in one book
One example is Basic Theology by Charles C Ryrie');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2100', '47221f5889', '', 'It is better to look at the multiple sources that I listed which have good emphases in particular areas rather than get stuck with a theologian\'s &quot;entire theology&quot;.

Also, a lot of formal theology today is riddled with unbelief. Ryrie, Walvoord, Erickson, Scofield or Dake are only good in certain parts.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2101', 'c679012be5', 'What About the New NIV 2011?', 'What About The “New” NIV of 2011?

The ever changing, gender neutered “new” 2011 NIV has changed about 10% of the verses from the way they read in the 1984 NIV, and they often change or add to the underlying Greek and Hebrew texts they previously followed. You can see for yourself the changes they have now made at this site here - 

http://www.biblewebapp.com/niv2011-changes/#summary

At this site you will see that the new 2011 NIV has changed the wording of 40% of the verses from the way they were written in the 1984 NIV.  They have removed 32,863 words and added 34,469 different words.  They often change or add to the Hebrew text that they previously used and they have changed the underying Greek text numerous times in their New Testament.

Article about the soon to be released 2011 NIV from USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-09-01-bible-translation_N.htm

By Cathy Lynn Grossman, USA TODAY - The scholars and publishers behind the world\'s leading English language evangelical Bible announced Tuesday that they would publish a updated translation in 2011.
&quot;And we\'ll make sure we get it right this time,&quot; says Keith Danby, president and chief executive officer of Biblica, once known as the International Bible Society.

Well, let’s see if they did indeed “Get it right this time”

Mark 1:41 “Jesus moved with compassion” or “Jesus was indignant”?

In Mark 1:40 - 41 we read: “And there came a leper to him, beseeching him, and kneeling down to him, and saying unto him, If thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.  And Jesus, MOVED WITH COMPASSION, put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean.”

“moved with compassion” is the reading found in the Majority of all Greek texts including Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, C, the  Greek Lectionaries, the Old Latin Italic aur, c, e, f, l and q, the Vulgate, the Syriac Peshitta, Sinaitic, Harkelian, the Coptic Sahidic, Boharic, the Armenian, Ethiopian, Georgian and Slavonic ancient versions.  It is even the reading found in the UBS IV critical Greek text.

“moved with compassion” is the reading found in Wycliffe 1390, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew’s Bible 1549, the Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the Revised Version 1885, the ASV 1901, Douay, Darby, Young’s, Lamsa’s translation of the Syriac, the RSV, NRSV, 1989, ESV 2001, NASB 1963 - 1995, Holman Standard 2003 and the ISV to name but a few. 

The NIV 1973, 1978 and 1984 all read: “FILLED WITH COMPASSION, Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. “I am willing,” he said. “Be clean!”

And even the Spanish version of the NIV reads the same.  Marcos 1:41 (Nueva Versión Internacional) “Movido a compasión, Jesús extendió la mano y tocó al hombre, diciéndole: — Sí quiero. ¡Queda limpio! “

Well, the 2011 NIV finally did it!

Here it is -  Mark 1:41 (New International Version, ©2011)

41. &quot;Jesus WAS INDIGNANT.[a] He reached out his hand and touched the man. “I am willing,” he said. “Be clean!”

Footnotes: Mark 1:41 Many manuscripts Jesus was filled with compassion.

Well, this totally bogus reading comes basically from one very corrupt manuscript called manuscript D, which scholars have known about for centuries and rejected. But now the “late$t, greate$t and be$t $cholarly re$earch” has once again changed their minds and so we have this absurd reading in the latest NIV 2011.

The NIV is basically a Catholic bible with an “interconfessional” New Testament text that nobody believes or defends as being the complete and infallible words of God.

See Undeniable Proof the NIV, NASB, ESV are the new “Catholic” bible versions -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/realcatholicbibles.htm 

See also The Lord’s Prayer - Is your bible a Catholic bible?

http://brandplucked.webs.com/matthew613.htm

One of the significant changes the new NIV 2011 has made is that it has eliminated the word “saints” from its pages. The word “saints” refers to every believing Christian, whether man, woman or child.  God calls us “saints”.  But of course the Catholic church does not use the word saints in this way. For the Catholic church, a “saint” is a very special type of super Catholic who may have performed miracles and to whom the devout pray and give reverence.

The word “saints” is found in the King James Bible and in most other Bible translations still out there some 106 times; 61 of these in the New Testament. The usual Greek word for saints is hagiois.  The “old” NIV of 1984 contained the word “saints” 68 times with 45 of these in the N.T.  But even the old NIV translated the word “hagiois” as “God’s people” some ten times in the N.T. (See the 1984 NIV Romans 12:13; 1 Cor. 16:1; 2 Cor. 9:12; Eph. 2:19; 3:8; 4:12; 5:3; Heb. 13:24; and Rev. 20:9; 22:21)

But now in 2011 the new NIV has completely eliminated the word “saints” from both their Old and New Testaments.  Why might this be?  I believe it is so their new NIV will be more widely accepted among professing Catholics.  The recent Catholic bible versions like the St. Joseph New American Bible and even more so the New Jerusalem bible of 1985 translate the word “saints” (hagiois) just like the NIV does.

Here are just a few examples of the old NIV 1984 compared to the new NIV of 2011 and how the Catholic New Jerusalem translates this same Greek word.

Romans 1:7 “To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.” 2011 NIV “his holy people” = Jerusalem bible “his holy people”

Romans 8:27 “And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God’s will.” 2011 NIV “God’s people” = Jerusalem bible “God’s holy people”

Romans 15:25 “Now, however, I am on my way to Jerusalem in the service of the saints there.”  2011 NIV “the Lord’s people” = Jerusalem bible “holy people of God”

Romans 15:26 “For Macedonia and Achaia were pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the saints in Jerusalem.” 2011 NIV “the Lord’s people” = Jerusalem bible “God’s holy people”

Romans 15:31 “Pray that I may be rescued from the unbelievers in Judea and that my service in Jerusalem may be acceptable to the saints there”  2011 NIV “the Lord’s people” = Jerusalem bible “God’s holy people”

Romans 16:2 “I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been a great help to many people, including me.”
2011 NIV “his people” = Jerusalem bible “God’s holy people”

Romans 16:15 “Greet Philologus, Julia, Nereus and his sister, and Olympas and all the saints with them.” 2011 NIV “the Lord’s people” = Jerusalem bible “God’s holy people”

The NIV 2011 keeps on changing its underlying Greek texts -  more examples.

 In Matthew 15:6 the KJB reads: “And honour not his father OR HIS MOTHER, he shall be free...”  This is the Majority reading and that of C, but Sinaiticus and Vaticanus omit the words “or his mother” and so did the 1973 NIV and the 1984 NIV.  But now in 2011 the new New International Version has now changed their Greek text once again and have now put these words back into their latest New version.

Matthew 15:6 NIV 1984 - “HE is not to ‘honor HIS father’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.”

Matthew 15:6 NIV 2011 - “THEY are not to ‘honor THEIR father OR MOTHER’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.”

Omitting the words “or his mother” are the ASV, RV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, ISV and the Holman Standard.  Modern versions that include the words “or his mother” are the NASB, NET, NIV 2011 and the NKJV.  So, why has the “new” NIV now changed their underlying Greek texts and decided to put the words “or his mother” back into their version?  Maybe its due to the fact that the other Catholic bibles like the Douay, the St. Joseph New American bible and the 1985 New Jerusalem bible also contain these words omitted by the Vatican manuscript.

As an additional note, the rest of the verse reads: “Thus have ye made THE COMMANDMENT of God of none effect by your tradition.” The word “commandment” is entoleen in the Greek and is found in the Majority of all texts, but Vaticanus and Sinaiticus differ from both the Majority and from each other. The 2011 NIV reads “Thus you nullify THE WORD of God for the sake of your tradition.”  following the Vatican mss.  Vaticanus reads “the word’ (ho logos) while Sinaiticus original read “the LAW of God” (ho nomon), then it was changed to “word” and then someone changed it once again to read “the law” of God.

So, what do the other modern Catholic versions do?  You got it. The older Douay version read “commandment of God” like the KJB and majority of texts have it, but the more recent Catholic versions like the St. Joseph NAB and the New Jerusalem read just like the NIV with “the WORD of God”, thus here following the Vatican mss. to read “the word” but not following the Vatican mss. in the same verse by including “or his mother”, which the Vatican manuscript omits.  And they call this a “science”!

Matthew 18:15 - “Moreover if thy brother shall trespass AGAINST THEE (eis se - Greek), go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.”

The reading of  “trespass AGAINST THEE” makes a big difference in the meaning and application of the passage. I go to the brother who has sinned against me; not against any one who may happened to have sinned against someone else.  The reading of “against thee” is once again that found in the Majority of all Greek texts and ancient versions. Even the earlier NIVs of 1973, 1978 and 1984 included the words “brother sins AGAINST YOU” but with a footnote telling us “Some manuscripts do not have ‘against you’”  The manuscripts that omit these words are the usual suspects - Vaticanus and Sinaiticus. 

Matthew 18:15 NIV 1984 - “If your brother sins AGAINST YOU, go and show HIM HIS fault, just between the two of you. If HE listens to you, you have won YOUR BROTHER over.”

Matthew 18:15 NIV 2011 - “If your brother OR SISTER sins, go and  point out THEIR fault, just between the two of you. If THEY listen to you, you have won THEM over.

Those Bible translations that still include the words “against thee” are the RV, ASV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Holman and NKJV.  The NASB omits them and the latest UBS critical text puts them in brackets, indicating doubt.

So why does the new NIV now omit these words that were in the previous three editions of the NIVs?  Well, the older Catholic bible versions like the Douay-Rheims and the Douay and even the St. Joseph NAB of 1970 had them in their text - “if thy brother sin against thee” (Douay version 1950) - , but now the 1985 Catholic New Jerusalem bible omits these two Greek words and so does the late$t NIV of 2011.  This is not at all a case of “new findings” or “advanced textual evidence” but is simply another case of just changing their minds once again and being tossed to and fro by every wind that happens to pass by at the moment.

Matthew 19:29 “And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, OR WIFE (he gunaika -Greek) or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive AN HUNDREDFOLD [hekaton - Greek = Majority, Sinaiticus, C while Vatican mss. has MANY fold = polla - Greek - NASB “manyfold”], and shall inherit everlasting life.”

The previous NIVs of 1973, 1978 and 1984 omitted the words “or WIFE” because not in Vaticanus or Sinaiticus (even though these same two “oldest and best mss.” differ from each other in the same verse with Sinaiticus reading “an hundredfold” while Vaticanus reads “manyfold”.  Yet now in 2011 the new NIV has now “added” the words they once omitted - “or father or mother OR WIFE or children”...will receive A HUNDRED TIMES as much...”
Matthew 19:29 NIV 1984 - “And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.”

Matthew 19:29 NIV 2011 - “And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother OR WIFE or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.”

Versions that still omit the words “or wife” are the NASB, ESV, RSV, NRSV and Holman Standard, however all these versions contain the reading of “a hundred fold” taken from Sinaiticus while the NASB virtually all by itself follows Vaticanus by omitting both “or wife” and by reading “MANY fold”.  The Catholic versions like Douay-Rheims included “or wife”, the Jerusalem bible of 1968 omitted it, but the St. Joseph NAB now goes back to including the words once again.

The “scholarly” NASB has two completely bogus and misleading footnotes regarding both readings.  The NASB footnotes tell us “One early mss. adds ‘or wife’, and “one early mss. reads ‘hundredfold’”, whereas the truth of the matter is that both “or wife” and “hundredfold” are the readings found in the vast majority of all Greek texts and ancient versions. The Nestle-Aland ever changing Greek critical texts used to read “manyfold” (polla) but now read “a hundred fold” (ekaton).  Such are the twisted ways of the “science” of textual criticism.

In Matthew 23:4 the NIV 2011 has again changed their Greek texts.  In the KJB we read: “For they bind heavy burdens AND GRIEVOUS TO BE BORNE, and lay them on men’s shoulders...” 

 The words “grievous to be borne” are found in the Majority of all texts including Vaticanus and D and was is also found in the RV, ASV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, NKJV.  However Sinaiticus omits these words and so do the NASB, Revised English Bible 1989 and the previous 1984 NIV. The UBS text puts these words in brackets.  But now the new 2011 NIV has come out and it adds this text to their new version.  

Matthew 23:4 NIV 1984 -  “They tie up heavy loads and put them on MEN’S shoulders” 

Matthew 23:4 NIV 2011 -  “They tie up heavy CUMBERSOME loads and put them on OTHER PEOPLE’S shoulders.”  

It also looks like the word “men” was too masculine a word, so they gender neutered it to “other people”.

The Catholic versions are the usual conflicting mess.  The reading “grievous to be borne” is found in the Douay, removed in the 1968 Jerusalem bible, added again in the 1970 St. Joseph New American Bible, and then taken out once again in the New Jerusalem of 1985 and now put back in their 2009 Catholic Public Domain Bible. 

Philosophy of the modern versionists = No reading is sure; all are subject to change at any moment.  Buy the late$t Ver$ion so you will be “in the know” and “up to date”. 

Luke 10:41-42 - KJB “And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: BUT ONE THING IS NEEDFUL: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.”

Luke 10:42 NIV 1973, 1978, 1984 editions - “BUT ONLY ONE THING IS NEEDED. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.”

Luke 10:42 NIV 2011 - “BUT FEW THINGS ARE NEEDED - OR INDEED ONLY ONE. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.”

This is one of the goofiest textual changes found in the new NIV.  The Majority of all remaining Greek texts read as does the KJB and the 1984 NIV edition.  However the Vatican mss. and Sinaiticus (though with different wording) say “but few things are needful OR ONE (n henos = Greek added by the Vatican mss.).

The NASBs of 1963, 1972, 1977 used to read this way too.  The NASB used to read: “but only a few things are necessary, REALLY ONLY ONE.”  BUT in 1995 the NASB once again changed its text and it now reads: “but only one thing is necessary, for Mary has chosen the good part...”

The older Catholic versions like the Douay-Rheims and Douay and even the St. Joseph New American Bible of 1970 read like the KJB “only one thing is needful” (Douay-Rheims version) but the 1985 Catholic New Jerusalem bible version reads: “fret about so many things, and yet few are needed, INDEED ONLY ONE.”

The older Nestle-Aland critical text USED to include this silly reading from the Vatican mss. but the latest ones have now gone back to read as the KJB and Majority of Greek texts have had it all along.  But for some strange reason the 2011 NIV has decided to go back to a reading that is not even in the more recent UBS, Nestle-Aland critical texts, nor in the NASB. Not even the RV, ASV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, NKJV, Holman Standard nor Daniel Wallace’s NET version read the way the new NIV 2011 does.  The ESV reads as does the KJB but has this footnote - “Some manuscripts “few things are necessary, or only one” and it is this goofy reading that the NIV and the New Jerusalem bible have now followed.

Luke 17:3  KJB - “Take heed to yourselves; if thy brother trespass AGAINST THEE, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.”

The words “against thee” (Greek - eis se) are found in the Majority of all Greek texts as well as D, the Old Latin, the Clementine Vulgate (but not in most Catholic bibles like the Douay, St. Joseph New American Bible and New Jerusalem though it was in the older Douay-Rheims version) the Coptic, Ethiopian and Georgian ancient versions.

The words “if any brother trespass AGAINST THEE” are found in Wycliffe 1395 - “Take ye hede you silf; if thi brothir hath synned ayens thee, blame hym”, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew’s Bible 1549 - “Yf thy brother trespasse agaynst the, rebuke hym, the Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the KJB, NKJV 1982.

Vaticanus and Sinaiticus unite in omitting these two Greek words and change the meaning of the text.  Versions that omitted these words “trespass AGAINST THEE” and not the way more general “if any brother trespass” are the Revised Version 1885, the ASV 1901, the RSV, NRSV, ESV, Holman Standard, ISV, the Jehovah Witness version and the NIV 1984 edition.

However now once again the NIV translators have changed their underlying Greek and English text.  

Luke 17:3 NIV 1984 -  “If your brother sins, rebuke HIM, and if HE repents, forgive HIM.”

Luke 17:3 NIV 2011 -  “If your brother OR SISTER sins AGAINST YOU, rebuke THEM; and if THEY repent, forgive THEM.”  

So, the “new” NIV has  correctly re-instated the Greek words “against you” but have also added words to their new English translation not found in ANY Greek text - “sister”, “them”, “they” and “them” again. Looks like the words “he” and “him” were too politically incorrect, huh?

Luke 24:47 “And that repentance AND (kai) remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”

There is a minor but very definite textual difference in this verse with the word “and” (kai) or “for” (eis).  The majority of all Greek manuscripts along with A, C, D, the Old Latin a, aur, b, c, d, e, f, ff, l, q, r, the Syriac Sahidic, Harkelian and Palestinian, the Armenian, Ethiopian and Georgian ancient versions reading “repentance AND forgiveness of sins”, while the Vatican and Sinaitic mss. along with P75 read “repentance FOR forgiveness of sins.”

Agreeing with the KJB reading of “repentance AND forgiveness” are Wycliffe 1395, Tyndale 1325, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1549, Matthew’s Bible 1549 - “and that repentaunce and remissyon of synnes shoulde be preached in his name amonge all nacions. And must begynne at Ierusalem.”, the Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible, the earlier Catholic Douay-Rheims, the Revised Version 1885, ASV 1901, the RSV, NRSV, the 2001 ESV and the up and  coming ISV (International Standard Version).

Even the NIVs of 1973, 1977, and 1984 all read “repentance AND forgiveness of sins”, as well as the 1999 NIV Spanish edition.  However now in 2011 the NIV editors have once again arbitrarily changed their minds (it has NOTHING to do with alleged “recent discoveries in the science of textual criticism”) and now have adopted the other textual reading of “repentance FOR (eis) forgiveness of sins” agreeing with the NASB, NET and Holman Standard.

Luke 24:47 NIV 1984 - “and repentance AND forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”

Luke 24:47 NIV 2011 - “and repentance FOR the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

So what we see by this one example are two basic principles operating in today’s never ending assembly line of the Bible Babble Buffet versions coming down the pike. They have no settled text and they don’t even agree among themselves.

The older Catholic bible versions like the Douay-Rheims and the Douay read like the KJB and the majority of all Greek texts and Reformation Bibles.  However the “new” Catholics and Evangelicals United Bible Society reads “repentance FOR (eis) forgiveness of sins” and so too do the Catholic St. Joseph New American bible of 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible of 1885.

The NIV continues to omit the words “of Jerusalem” from verse 49, “and carried up into heaven” from verse 51 and the final word “Amen” in verse 53 as well.

John 1:14 NIV 1984 - “The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.”

John 1:14 NIV 2011 - “The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and  only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.” [There is no known text on this earth that reads this way]

John 1:18 NIV 1984 - “No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.”

John 1:18 NIV 2011 - “No one has ever seen God, but the  one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father has made him known.” [Again, there is no Greek text on this earth that reads this way.]

John 1:34 - KJB - “And I saw, and bare record that this is the SON OF GOD.”

John 1:34 NIV 1984 - “I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”

John 1:34 NIV 2011 - “I have seen and I testify that this is GODS’S CHOSEN ONE.”

This is another textual change. The majority of all Greek mss. read “the Son of God” (ho uios tou theou) including P66, P75, Vaticanus, A, C, K,L, P, and Sinaiticus third correction.  So also read the UBS Greek texts as well as the RV, ASV, NASB,  NIVs of 1973, 1978 and 1984, the RSV, NRSV, ESV, NKJV and Holman Standard.

However Sinaiticus original read “the elect” (ho eklektos). There is no known Greek manuscript that reads like the 2011 NIV’s “God’s Chosen One”. Sinaiticus original did not contain the word “God” in it.  So why does the new NIV 2011 decide after 35 some years to change their underlying Greek text?  Well, it might have something to do with the newer Catholic versions.  The older Catholic Douay-Rheims and the Douay of 1950 read “this is the SON OF GOD”, but the newer Catholic bible versions like the St. Joseph New American bible of 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible of 1985 both read like the new NIV does - “the Chosen One of God”.  By the way, Daniel Wallace and company’s NET version does too.

John 4:1-3 and the ever changing NIVs and UBS Greek texts - 

A rather peculiar case of senseless and arbitrary textual changes is found in John 4:1-3. In the King James Bible, as well as the Majority of all texts including Vaticanus, P66, P75, A  and C we read: 1. “When therefore THE LORD (ho kurios) knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, 2. (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,) 3. He left Judea, and departed again into Galilee.”

The reading of “the Lord” was even in the Westcott-Hort Greek text and in the earlier critical text Nestle-Aland editions. I have a 4th edition Nestle text from 1934 and it reads “the Lord”.  However Sinaiticus and D read “Jesus” instead of “the LORD” and later on the Nestle-Aland, USB critical texts changed their reading to “JESUS knew how the Pharisees had heard...” That is how the Nestle-Aland 27th edition and the UBS 4th edition now read.

This is an example of modern scholarship rejecting even their “oldest” manuscripts and following instead a very minority reading.  But wait. There is much more going on here when we compare the various NIV editions to come down the pike lately and how the Catholic bible versions are exerting their influence by producing an “interconfessional” New Testament text through the United Bible Society.

Those Bible translations that read “the LORD knew...” are Tyndale 1525, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew’s Bible 1549, the Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the Revised Version 1885, the ASV of 1901, the RSV, NASB, NKJV, Darby, Youngs, Rotherham’s Emphasized bible and the NIV editions of 1973, 1977 and 1984, although quite curiously they put this whole reading in verse 3 instead of verse 1. 

 The NIVs from 1973, 77 and 84 read: 1. “The Pharisees heard that Jesus was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John, 2. although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples. 3. WHEN THE LORD LEARNED OF THIS [all taken from verse 1 in ALL Greek manuscripts; not one of them reads like the NIV has it] he left Judea and went back once more to Galilee.”

However the “new” NIV of 2011 now has changed their underlying Greek text once again. Instead of having the words “When the LORD learned of this” in verse 3 as all previous NIVs read, they have now put these words back into verse one and changed “the LORD” to “JESUS”.  It now reads: 1. “Now JESUS learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John -”

Those versions that read “JESUS knew that...” (instead of “the LORD knew that...”) are the NRSV, ESV, NET, NIV 2011 and the Catholic versions like the Douay, the St. Joseph New American bible 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible of 1985.

Once again we see the fickle and ever changing nature of the so called “science” of textual criticism at work and these Bible Babble Buffet versions don’t even agree among themselves.

John 21:1 NIV 1984 - “Afterward Jesus appeared again to his disciples, by the Sea of TIBERIAS. ”

John 21:1 NIV 2011 - “Afterward Jesus appeared again to his disciples, by the Sea of GALILEE.” 

[Note: There is not a Greek text in all the world that reads “Galilee” here. They all read Tiberias.]

Romans 8:2 KJB - “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus that made ME free from the law of sin and death.”

Romans 8:2 NIV 1984 - “because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set ME free from the law of sin and death.”

Romans 8:2 NIV 2011 - “because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of who gives life has set YOU free from the law of sin and death.”

This again is a textual change. Even the NIV footnotes here: “The Greek is singular; some manuscripts ME”.  The Majority, including A, C and D have ME while the Vatican mss. and Sinaiticus read YOU. Reading ME, like the KJB, are the Revised Version, ASV, Douay, the former NIVs, the RSV and the brand new ISV.  Those that read YOU are the NRSV, ESV, NASB, Holman, NET and the new NIV.

Among the Catholic versions, the former Douay-Rheims and Douay of 1950 read ME, but the newer Catholic versions like the St. Joseph NAB and the New Jerusalem bible of 1985 read YOU, just like the new NIV does.

1 Corinthians 10:9

10:9 &quot;Neither let us tempt CHRIST, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of the destroyer.&quot;

This verse strongly attests to the full deity of Christ. It tells us that the children of Israel who in the Old Testament tempted God were actually tempting Christ. Christ = God.

CHRIST is the reading of the majority, Syriac, Coptic, D and P 46, which predates Sinaiticus and Vaticanus by 150 years. Yet Siniaticus and Vaticanus read THE LORD, which could refer to God the Father and not the Son, and so the NASB, NIV 1984 edition say: &quot;we should not test the Lord, as some of them did&quot;, and so does the Catholic New Jerusalem bible. However the NIV 2011 has changed their underlying Greek texts here and now read &quot;should not test CHRIST&quot;. 

1 Corinthians 10:9 NIV 1984 - “We should not test THE LORD, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes.”

1 Corinthians 10:9 NIV 2011 - “We should not test CHRSIT, as some of them did—and were killed by snakes.”

1  Corinthians 11:29 KJB -  &quot;For he that eateth and drinketh UNWORTHILY, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the LORD\'S body.&quot;

In this verse Vaticanus omits UNWORTHILY, and so do the NASB, NIV, ESV and the Catholic New Jerusalem bible 1985 though it is found in the majority of all Greek texts and in the correction of Sinaiticus and in D and many other uncials as well as ancient versions. The word &quot;Lord\'s&quot; in &quot;not discerning the LORD\'S body&quot; is omitted by the NASB, ESV and Catholic New Jerusalem because not in Vaticanus, but it is found in the NIV 1984 edition because in the majority, Sinaiticus correction, D and many ancient versions. However now that the &quot;New&quot; New International Version has come out in 2011, they have once again changed their text to read: &quot;without discerning the body OF CHRIST&quot;.  The 2011 NIV now adds &quot;of Christ&quot; yet these words are NOT found in any Greek text at all.

1 Corinthians 11:29 NIV 1984 - “For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of THE LORD eats and drinks judgment on himself.”

1 Corinthians 11:29 NIV 2011 - “For those who eat and drink without  discerning the body of  CHRIST eat and  drink judgment on themselves.”

1 Corinthians 13:3 KJB - “And though I bestow all my good to feed the poor, and though I give my body TO BE BURNED, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.”

1 Corinthians 13:3 NIV 1984 - “If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body TO THE FLAMES, but have not love, I gain nothing.”

1 Corinthians 13:3 NIV 2011 - “If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to HARDSHIP THAT I MAY BOAST, but do not have love, I gain nothing.”

This is another textual change and the 2011 NIV basically made up their own textual reading here. The Majority of all Greek texts including C, D, F, G, L read “to be burned”. However the Vatican mss. and Sinaiticus and A read “that I may boast”.  The older Nestle-Aland Greek critical text used to read just as the KJB has it - “to be burned” (kauthnnsomai - Greek), but the more recent Nestle-Aland, UBS critical text have once again changed their reading to “that I may boast” (kauxnnswmai - Greek)

Those versions that have “to be burned” are Wycliffe, Tyndale, the Geneva Bible (all Reformation bibles in all languages), the Revised Version, ASV, NASB, RSV, ESV, NIVs 1973, 1978, 1984, and the NKJV.   

Those that have adopted the reading of “that I may boast” are the NRSV, Daniel “If it’s weird and flaky I’m goin’ with it” Wallace’s NET version, the ISV and the new NIV of 2011.  Notice that the RSV went with “to be burned”, then the NRSV had “that I may boast” and then the ESV went back to reading “to be burned”. 

The 2011 NIV has once again changed their underlying Greek text and added the words “to hardship” that are not found in any manuscript at all.  The ESV reads as does the KJB but footnotes: “Some manuscripts - deliver up my body [to death] that I may boast”

This time not even the Catholic versions go along with the “new” NIV 2011. The Douay-Rheims, Douay, St. Joseph NAB and the New Jerusalem bible all read: “If I give my body to be burned” just as the KJB has it.

1 Thessalonians 2:7-  One of the silliest readings in the New Testament is found primarily in the Vaticanus manuscript in 1 Thessalonians 2:7.  This reading was even rejected by the Critical Text editors that came after Westcott and Hort until very recently, when things are now just getting goofier and goofier.  

The Majority of all Greek texts as well as Alexandrinus and the corrections to Sinaiticus, C and D all have the apostle Paul telling the saints:  &quot;But we were GENTLE among you, even as a nurse cherisheth her children&quot;. 

This is the reading found in Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535,  Cranmer 1539, the Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1599, Wesley’s translation 1755,  the Revised Version 1885, the ASV of 1901, Rotherham’s Emphasized bible 1902, Darby, Young’s,  the Bible in Basic English 1960, the New English Bible 1979,  the NASBs 1963 through 1995, the NIVs of 1973, 78 and 84, the NKJVs, the RSV, NRSV 1989, the ESV 2001,  the Revised English Bible 1989,  the Message of 2002 and the Holman Standard of 2003, the Modern Greek version used all over the world in the Greek Orthodox churches as well as the up and coming ISV (International Standard Version) in 2010. 

Among foreign language Bibles, the reading found in the Traditional Greek Texts and the King James Bible of  “GENTLE among you, even as a nurse cherisheth her children” are the Spanish Reina Valera of 1602, 1909, 1960 and 1995, - “nos portamos con ternura”,  the 1997 Biblia de las Américas put out by the Lockman Foundation - “benignos entre vosotros” as well as the Traducciôn en Lenguage Actual of 2000 put out by the United Bible Society- “los tratamos con mucho cariño”, and the Reina Valera Gomez Bible of 2004.  Also agreeing with “were gentle among you” are the Italian Diodati 1649 and 1991 New Diodati, the Riveduta of 27, the Italian1997 La Parola é Vita - “gentili con voi”,   the French Martin 1744 - “French Louis Segond 1910, the Ostervald  1996 and the 1999 La Bible du Semeur - “tendresse”, and the 2000 Portuguese O Livro.

 However Vaticanus actually says: &quot;But we were BABIES among you, as a nursing mother cares for her own children.&quot;   Westcott and Hort first adopted this absurd reading, but very soon the critical text editors deleted this reading and replaced it with the correct reading of “gentle among you”.  This reading lasted through at least 21 separate editions of their ever changing Greek Critical text.  However the 27th edition of the Nestle - Aland text 1993 as well as the UBS 1 through 4 editions texts have now removed the previous reading of “GENTLE” and replaced it with the Vaticanus, Westcott-Hort reading of “we were BABES among you”.

Even though the more recent Nestle - Aland, UBS Greek texts have adopted this strange reading, still most modern versions that usually follow the critical text readings have not gone along with them on this. 

But there are a few notable exceptions like Daniel Wallace’s NET version.  Daniel Wallace’s NET version has actually followed this strange reading.  His NET version reads: “although we could have imposed our weight as apostles of Christ; instead we became LITTLE CHILDREN among you. Like a nursing mother caring for her own children...&quot; But there is more!  The new NIV 2011 has come out and they have changed the underlying Greek text they followed in their first three editons (1973, 78 and 1984 - &quot;but we were GENTLE among you&quot;) and now the late$e$t in Scholar$hip edition now reads: &quot;Instead we were LIKE YOUNG CHILDREN among you.&quot; 

1 Thessalonians 2:7 NIV 1984 - “BUT we were GENTLE among you, LIKE a mother CARING for her little children.”

1 Thessalonians 2:7 NIV 2011 - “INSTEAD, we were LIKE YOUNG CHILDREN among you.. JUST AS a nursing mother CARES for her children.”

This is similar to the Catholic Douay-Rheims version of 1582 which reads - “but WE BECAME LITTLE ONES IN THE MIDST OF YOU, as if a nurse should cherish her children”, but this reading is obviously absurd since it defies all reason and logic and turns the apostles into little children and the new believers into their care givers.

The Catholic version of 1970 called the Saint Joseph New American Bible went back to the reading of “we were GENTLE among you”, but then in 2009 the latest Catholic version, the Catholic Public Domain Version,  has once again changed their underlying texts and have gone back to the reading of - “we became LIKE LITTLE ONES in your midst, like a nurse cherishing her children.” 

The New Living Translation of 1998 has “we were as GENTLE among you as a mother feeding and caring for her own children.”  But the 2004 New Living Translation has again changed their text to now read - “we were LIKE CHILDREN among you.”

2 Thessalonians 2:13 KJB - &quot;But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath FROM THE BEGINNING chosen you to salvation...&quot;

&quot;From the beginning&quot; is the reading found in the majority of all texts, as well as Sinaiticus, the Old Latin, Syriac Peshitta, Coptic Sahidic, Armenian, and Ethiopic ancient versions. It also was the reading of the previous Nestle-Aland Greek editions, and is still found in the NIV 1973, 1984 editions, NASB, RV, ASV, NKJV, RSV, NET version and the 2003 Holman Christian Standard.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 NIV 1984 - “But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because FROM THE BEGINNING God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.”

2 Thessalonians 2:13 NIV 2011 - “But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers AND SISTERS loved by the Lord, because God chose you AS FIRSTFRUITS to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.”

However, the latest Nestle-Aland texts have once again changed their reading, based on Vaticanus, and now reads: &quot;God has chosen you AS THE FIRST FRUITS to be saved&quot; and this is how the NRSV, ESV  and the NIV 2011 edition now read! So again, it looks like those old NASB, NIV\'s 1973, 1984  and 2003 Holman Standards are once again out of date and follow the wrong texts according to the late$t $cholarly finding$. 

Hebrews 11:11 “Who did what?!?” Which NIV “got it right”?

Hebrews 11:11 KJB - “Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.”

Hebrews 11:11 NIV 1984 - “By faith ABRAHAM, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS PAST AGE - AND SARAH HERSELF WAS BARREN—was enabled to BECOME A FATHER because HE considered him faithful who had made the promise.”

Hebrews 11:11 NIV 2011 - “ And by faith  EVEN SARAH, WHO WAS PAST CHILDBEARING AGE, was enabled TO BEAR CHILDREN because  SHE considered him faithful who had made the promise.”

Revelation 9:13 KJB- “...and I heard a voice from THE FOUR horns of the golden altar which is  before God”

Revelatin 9:13 NIV 1984 - “and I heard a voice coming from the horns of the golden altar that is before God.”

Revelation 9:13 NIV 2011 - “and I heard a voice coming from THE FOUR horns of the golden altar that is before God.”

Again, this is a textual change. The words “the four” are found in the majority of all Greek texts. Sinaiticus original said “ONE of the FOUR horns”, but Sinaiticus correction and A omit the word FOUR.  The NIV 1984 followed the reading of A and omitted the word “four” but now follows the TR and majority texts and includes the number.

Including the number FOUR are the NASB, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Holman, NKJV, Douay-Rheims, the New Jerusalem bible and now the NIV 2011. Omitting the number FOUR are the Revised Version, the ASV of 1901, the Message, the NIVs of 1973, 1977 and 1984, St. Joseph NAB and the NET version. Several have footnotes telling us “other ancient authorities lack “four”.

Revelation 15:3 &quot;thou King of saints&quot;

This is the reading found in the Greek manuscripts of 296, 2049 and 2066. It is also the reading of the Greek texts of Stephanus, Beza, Elziever, and the Trinity Bible Society Scrivener text. &quot;King of saints&quot; is also quoted by various church fathers like Victorinus, Tyconius, Apringius, and Cassiodorus.

Not even the modern versions agree among themselves. Westcott and Hort originally went with “king of AGES” (twn aiwniwn) but later UBS texts changed it to read &quot;king of NATIONS&quot; (twn ethnwn) and so read the NASB, NRSV, ESV, Jerusalem bible, and Holman Standard. However, versions like the Revised Version, the American Standard Version, RSV, Douay, and the NIV 1984 all read: &quot;king of THE AGES&quot;. There is no Vaticanus mss. for Revelation, but the other so called &quot;oldest and best mss.&quot; - Sinaiticus - originally read &quot;ages&quot; then it was changed to &quot;nations&quot; and then somebody changed it once again to &quot;ages&quot;.

Notice that the RV, and ASV read &quot;king of the ages&quot;, but then the revision NASB changed this to &quot;king of nations&quot;. The RSV read &quot;ages&quot; but the revisions of the RSV now read &quot;nations&quot;. The Douay read &quot;ages&quot; but the other Catholic revision now says &quot;nations&quot;. The NIV 1984 edition says &quot;ages&quot; too, but wait! Now the revision of the NIV has come out in 2010 along with the TNIV of 2005 and they both say: &quot;king of the NATIONS&quot;. NONE of the revisions agree with the previous versions.

Revelation 15:3 NIV 1984 - “and sang the song of Moses the servant of God and the song of the Lamb: “Great and marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true are your ways, King of the AGES.”

Revelation 15:3 NIV 2011 - “and sang the song of God’s servant Moses  and of the Lamb: “Great and marvelous are your deeds, Lord God Almighty. Just and true are your ways, King of the NATIONS.”

Revelation 18:2 - KJB - &quot;And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful BIRD.&quot; (orneou)

So read the Majority of all texts, the TR AND Sinaiticus. &quot;every unclean and hateful BIRD&quot; is also the reading of the RV, ASV, NKJV, NASB, RSV, The Message, and the NIV 1973 and 1984 editions.

However manuscript A (Alexandrinus) reads &quot;the cage of every unclean and hateful BEAST.&quot;  and omits the part about &quot;cage of every unclean bird&quot; (theerion)

The previous Westcott-Hort, Nestle\'s Greek texts read as do the King James Bible and even the NASB, NIV 1984, but later on, the UBS Greek &quot;scholars&quot; decided to change it, and it now includes both readings in full. 

So now the 2003 Holman Standard and the 2001 ESV have come out and they add this extra reading of five Greek words which follows neither the Majority text, Sinaiticus nor Alexandrinus. These two latest versions read:

“Fallen, fallen, is Babylon the great! She has become a lair for demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, A HAUNT FOR EVERY UNCLEAN BIRD, AND A HAUNT FOR EVERY UNCLEAN AND DESPICABLE BEAST.&quot; (Holman Standard 2003, ESV 2001.)  So, it looks like not even the &quot;old&quot; NIV of 1984 nor the 1995 NASB are now &quot;up to date with the latest scholarly findings&quot;!!! 

Revelation 18:2 NIV 1984 -  “Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great! She has become a HOME for demons and a haunt for every EVIL spirit, a haunt for every unclean and detestable BIRD.&quot;

Revelation 18:2 NIV 2011 -  &quot;Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!’ She has become a DWELLING for demons and a haunt for every IMPURE spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, A HAUNT FOR EVERY UNCLEAN AND and detestable ANIMAL.&quot; 

The new NIV 2011 now takes part from the majority of texts and the other 5 words they add from just one manuscript which also omits the previous 5 Greek words found in the other manuscripts. So, they now include both readings in a single verse, and there is no Greek manuscript on this earth that reads that way.  Modern scholarship is a wonderful thing to behold, isn\'t it?

The “new” NIV is way more “Gender Neutral” than even the old NIV was.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-09-01-bible-translation_N.htm

The same USA article about  the 2011 NIV had this to say regarding the gender neutrality of the TNIV -

“The NIV, now in pews and homes in 46 countries, was originally published in 1978; it was updated in 1984. A plan to revise it in 1997 died when word got out that it would use &quot;inclusive language&quot; — code for largely eliminating masculine pronouns.

The scholars and publishers tried again, releasing an accessible updated translation in 2005. This Bible had a slightly different name, Today\'s New International Version, or TNIV It eliminated masculine or feminine usage they said was unsupported by original manuscripts or unclear in modern lingo.

The TNIV was greeted with horror by traditionalists and scholars. Wayne Grudem, author of The TNIV and the Gender-Neutral Bible Controversy and a professor of the Bible and theology at Phoenix Seminary in Scottsdale, Ariz., spotted 3,000 places where words such as &quot;man,&quot; &quot;father,&quot; &quot;son,&quot; &quot;brother&quot; and &quot;he&quot; vanished.

MORE F&amp;R: Egalitarian or complementarian view of men and women in religion?

Tuesday, Danby said they erred in presenting past updates, failed to convince people revisions were needed and &quot;underestimated&quot; readers\' loyalty to the 1984 NIV.  Maureen Girkins, president of Zondervan, says the &quot;divisive&quot; TNIV and &quot;cherished&quot; 1984 NIV will not be published after the newest NIV comes out. &quot;We need to undo the damage,&quot; she adds.”

Well, what has happened in fact is that the new NIV 2011 is just as “gender neutral” as the former TNIV and even worse. Look at the following examples and see if you think they “got it right this time” or not.

The new NIV changes literally thousands of words from what the old NIV read, making the 2011 NIV far more gender neutral.

Here are just a few of the hundreds of examples:

1984 NIV Luke 9:24 - “For whoever wants to save HIS life will lose it, but whoever loses HIS life for me will save it.”

2011 NIV - “For whoever wants to save THEIR life will lose it, but whoever loses THEIR life for me will save it.”

Luke 9:25 1984 NIV - What good is it for A MAN to gain the whole world,  and yet lose or forfeit HIS very self?

2011 NIV - What good is it for SOMEONE to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit THEIR very self?

1984 Luke 10:16 - ““HE who listens to you listens to me; HE WHO rejects you rejects me; but HE WHO rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

Luke 10:16 NIV 2011 - “WHOEVER listens to you listens to me; WHOEVER rejects you rejects me; but WHOEVER rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

Luke 12:9 NIV 1984 - “But HE who disowns me before MEN will be disowned before the angels of God.”

Luke 12:9 NIV 2011 - “But WHOEVER disowns me before OTHERS will be disowned before the angels of God.”

Luke 14:15 NIV 1984 - “Then he asked them, “If one of you has a SON or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull HIM out?”

Luke 14:14 NIV 2011 - “Then he asked them, “If one of you has A CHILD or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull IT out?”

Luke 14:35 NIV 1984 - ““HE who has ears to hear, let HIM hear.”

Luke 14:35 NIV 2011 - “WHOEVER has ears to hear, let THEM hear.”

Luke 17:3 NIV 1984 - “So watch yourselves. “If your brother sins, rebuke HIM, and if HE repents, forgive HIM.”

Luke 17:3 NIV 2011 - “So watch yourselves. “If your brother OR SISTER sins against you, rebuke THEM; and if THEY repent, forgive  THEM.”

Luke 20:4 NIV 1984 - “John’s baptism—was it from heaven, or FROM MEN?”

Luke 20:4 NIV 2011 - “John’s baptism—was it from heaven, or OF HUMAN ORIGIN?”

Luke 21:17 NIV 1984 - “ALL MEN will hate you because of me.”

Luke 21:17 NIV 2011 - “EVERYONE will hate you because of me.”

Luke 21:26 NIV 1984 - “MEN will faint from terror...”

Luke 21:26 NIV 2011 - “PEOPLE will faint from terror...”

John 5:41 NIV 1984 - “I do not accept praise from MEN”

John 5:41 NIV 2011 - “I do not accept  glory from HUMAN BEINGS”

John 7:16 NIV 1984 - “Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from HIM who sent me.”

John 7:16 NIV 2011 - “Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from THE ONE who sent me.”

John 13:19 NIV 1984 - “I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am HE.”

John 13:19 NIV 2011 - “I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am WHO I AM.”

Acts 5:4 NIV 1984 - “You have not lied to MEN but to God.”

Acts 5:4 NIV 2011 - “You have not lied just to HUMAN BEINGS but to God.”

Romans 3:4 NIV 1984 -”Let God be true, and every MAN a liar.”

Romans 3:4 NIV 2011 - “Let God be true, and every HUMAN BEING a liar.”

Romans 5:5 NIV 1984 - “God has poured out HIS love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom HE has given us.”

Romans 5:5 NIV 2011 - “God’S love has been poured out into our hearts  through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us.”

Romans 7:1 NIV 1984 - “Do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to MEN who know the law—that the law has authority over A MAN only as long as HE lives?”

Romans 7:1 NIV 2011 - “Do you not know, brothers AND SISTERS—for I am speaking to THOSE who know the law—that the law has authority over SOMEONE only as long as THAT PERSON lives?”

Sometimes the NIV just arbitrarily changes the numbers.

Luke 16:6 KJB - “And he said, AN HUNDRED measurs of oil. (All Greek texts read 100 - hekaton) And he said, sit down quickly, and write FIFTY.” (All Greek texts say 50 - penteekonta)

Luke 16:6 NIV 1984 “‘EIGHT HUNDRED gallons of olive oil,’ he replied. “The manager told him, ‘Take your bill, sit down quickly, and make it FOUR HUNDRED..’

Luke 16:6 NIV 2011 - “NINE HUNDRED gallons of olive oil,’ he replied. “The manager told him, ‘Take your bill, sit down quickly, and make it FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY.:”

Revelation 6:6 KJB - “A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny...”

Revelation 6:6 NIV 1984 - “A QUART of wheat for a day’s wages, and THREE QUARTS of barley for a day’s wages...”

Revelation 6:6 NIV 2011 - “TWO POUNDS of wheat for a day’s wages, and  SIX POUNDS of barley for a day’s wages...”

Sometimes the new NIV is just weird -

2 Corinthians 2:14 KJB - “Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ...”

2 Corinthians 2:14 NIV 1984 - “But thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumphal procession in Christ...”

2 Corinthians 2:14 NIV 2011 - “But thanks be to God, who always LEADS US AS CAPTIVES in Christ’s triumphal procession...”

Galatians 3:13 KJB - “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on A TREE.” (See Deut. 21:23)

Galatians 3:13 NIV 1984 - “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a TREE.”

Galatians 3:13 NIV 2011 - “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a POLE.”

Ephesians 5:13 KJB - “But all things that are reproved are made manifest b the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.”  [Note: The light of God’s truth shows everything to be what it is.]

Ephesians 5:13 NIV 1984 - “But everything exposed by the light becomes visible, for it is light that makes everything visible.” [Same meaning as found in the KJB.]

Ephesians 5:13 NIV 2011 - “But everything exposed by the light becomes visible,—and everything that is illuminated becomes a light.” [Note, to expose sin and false doctrine by  the light does not make sin and false doctrine to become light.]

These are just a few of the hundreds and even thousands of changes the “this time we’ll get it right” new NIV of 2011 has introduced.  What we in fact see is that the modern versionists have no settled text and their so called “science” of textual criticism is about as scientific as throwing darts at a dart board.

At present the majority of present day Christians no longer believe that ANY Bible in ANY language IS or ever was the complete, inspired and infallible words of God.

May I suggest you get yourself the only Bible that has stood the test of time and is believed by thousands of blood bought Christians to be in fact the 100% historically true words of the living God - the Authorized King James Holy Bible.

”for ye have perverted the words of the living God” - Jeremiah 23:36

“Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.”  Jeremiah 15:16

All of grace, believing The Book,

Will Kinney

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Hi brother. Thought you might be interested in this response I got over at Theology online 

Here is my response to a guy who tried to defend the gender neutral language of the NIV -
&quot;gender neutral&quot; language - Today, 08:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMonkey View Post
^This. The NIV \'11 seems to be a pretty poor translation, but it is at the very least more comprehensible than the 1611 KJV. Translations are made so that the populace can read the words for themselves. The English language has changed to the point where it is little better for a native speaker to read the KJV than to read a translation in West Frisian.

Re: Gender -- most of the words changed to gender-neutral by the NIV are actually gender-neutral in the original languages. Just because the KJV decided that the default gender of every human being is male, doesn\'t mean we shouldn\'t correct those errors.&quot;

I respond:

Some try to defend the use of &quot;gender neutral language&quot; when re-translating the Bible, and we can see the modern mindset of those who put out modern versions like the NIV by their own quotes. You can see these quotes in an online article written in August of 2011 by Michael Marlowe, who is not even a KJB only believer. You can see his article here:

http://www.bible-researcher.com/niv.2011.html

In his article called The 2011 Revision of the NIV, Mr. Marlowe writes:

&quot;The Real Reason for the Revision

The explanation offered for the “updates” is also misleading in that it does not mention the real political and financial considerations that have caused the NIV committee to make three revisions within the past fifteen years. The considerations that set in motion this series of revisions are, however, indicated in a document that set forth a new “Policy on Gender-Inclusive Language” adopted by the committee in 1992. The document contains these paragraphs:

C. Authors of Biblical books, even while writing Scripture inspired by the Holy Spirit, unconsciously reflected in many ways, the particular cultures in which they wrote. Hence in the manner in which they articulate the Word of God, they sometimes offend modern sensibilities. At such times, translators can and may use non-offending renderings so as not to hinder the message of the Spirit.

D. The patriarchalism (like other social patterns) of the ancient cultures in which the Biblical books were composed is pervasively reflected in forms of expression that appear, in the modern context, to deny the common human dignity of all hearers and readers. For these forms, alternative modes of expression can and may be used, though care must be taken not to distort the intent of the original text.

The same committee wrote, in the Preface to the 1996 revision published in Great Britain, that they believed “it was often appropriate to mute the patriarchalism of the culture of the biblical writers through gender-inclusive language when this could be done without compromising the message of the Spirit” (p. vii)&quot; (end of quotes by Michael Marlowe article)

Well, here\'s a New\'s Flash for all these modern &quot;bible scholars&quot;. GOD HIMSELF is a MALE and HE inspired the words of the Bible. The Bible is NOT &quot;the patriarchalism of the culture of the biblical writers&quot; but the Eternal God Himself stepped into history and caused chosen men to write His inspired words of absolute Truth. Modern &quot;scholars&quot; are in fact attempting to emasculate and feminize the Bible, and they view The Bible as being a mere cultural product of the times it was written in rather than the inspired and infallible revelation of the Eternal God Himself.

What has happened in fact is that the new NIV 2011 is just as “gender neutral” as the former TNIV and even worse.

Will K');
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Bibliology
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Until when did Cambridge publish the PCE?
Is Collins still publishing the PCE? In what form?
I have a Cambidge Pitt Minion on order. Will it have the proper presentation and proper chain references Hebrew Chaldee and Greek references and alternative translations?

If any has info on PCEs for sale or for free please e-mail me at Dakatcher@aol.com 
Then I will give you my full address 
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The most up to date information is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U

2. Until when did Cambridge publish the PCE?

From before 1920 to after 1990.

3. Is Collins still publishing the PCE? In what form? 

There is still stock available of PCEs of Collins PCE KJB through various distributors and book shops, and they will match two of the three ISBNs given in the video linked above.

4. I have a Cambidge Pitt Minion on order. Will it have the proper presentation and proper chain references Hebrew Chaldee and Greek references and alternative translations?

If it is a currently printed one, it will be extremely close to PCE, and will have fairly correct presentation, and if it is called &quot;Reference&quot; it will have the proper centre column.

The translations supplied in the centre column are not &quot;alterative&quot; but variant.

The Pitt Minion may use the bold system which removes paragraph marks, but puts the first word of every paragraph in capital letters, including the last half of the New Testament. Bold referencing also removes reference letters and numbers from the text, and places them after a bold verse number in the centre.

The Pitt Minion copies I have from the 1960s and 1970s are PCE.');
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THE DEFEAT OF SINFUL LIFESTYLES

Often, the extreme Left (these are people who are against traditions, decency and order) appeal to emotions rather that any sound reasoning for their sinful positions on social issues. For example, the Bible says, “There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.” (Deuteronomy 18:10, 11).

These people say, “we should be free to do what we want, if it does not hurt anyone”. But there are reasons why these things do hurt people.

A person who employs spiritual forces of these nature, it will work out that inevitably, and manifestly, that these same things will work out ill for them. So called charms or whatever will work out to be destructive to the person doing such things. Likewise, a person who does such things, and in reaping the curse of such practices, will therefore be destructive to people around them.

The extreme Left present themselves as defenders of these types of lifestyles, and in doing so, are partnering themselves with the spiritual results that the Bible lays on these things.

More starkly, as people persist with promoting wrong agendas (e.g. pro-sodomy), they bring about a situation where the Lord will act: “Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.” (Isaiah 59:15). This passage could be considered a warning to so called churches which endorse sinful lifestyles.

[size=18:47c0013218][color=darkblue:47c0013218]NEWS[/color:47c0013218][/size:47c0013218]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:47c0013218]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:47c0013218]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:47c0013218][color=darkblue:47c0013218]DIRECTORY[/color:47c0013218][/size:47c0013218]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2109', 'f8e5a9bd41', 'Pure Cambridge', 'When on Amazon and the Book Dispository how do you search for the PCE? What key words do you use? When you are on Google Yahoo Bing. And every other search engine   What key words do you use in order to search for the PCE?
what are the ISBN numbers of the PCEs that are in print? I would like a list not just YouTube  videos');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2110', '2ebd641021', '', 'Various Bibles are not listed with ISBNs on Amazon etc., but will have names like: &quot;Cambridge {insert name} {year date}&quot;.

Any name like &quot;pearl&quot;, &quot;ruby&quot;, &quot;amethyst&quot;, &quot;diamond&quot;, “emerald”, &quot;cameo&quot;, &quot;pitt minion&quot;, &quot;pitt brevier&quot;, etc. will be the size and typeface (also size may be given such as &quot;8vo&quot;, etc.) Ruby is small, Cameo is large.

Year dates from late \'80s back should be fine, and you can still get new or excellent condition second hand ones from the 1970s.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2111', '15427e18bf', '', 'Here is an example of what may be PCE:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0521509467/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Standard-Reference-Apocrypha-calfskin-leather/dp/0521509467#reader_0521509467');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2112', '36158b2dfe', 'Center References', 'The Pitt Minion that I have is PCE except for 1 John 5:8 it uses Spirit not spirit. So I marked it in my new Bible.It also has center column references or as other places centre column references.[/b]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2113', 'ffc7ff2dcf', 'Apocrypha', 'where can I find the correct apocrypha with or without centre column references?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2114', '8f213d2cbd', 'KJB Only and Church Unity', '&quot;Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.&quot; (2 Thessalonians 3:1,2).

It is hard to imagine that any modern version could be &quot;glorified&quot; since there is so much wrong with such. However, the King James Bible is glorified and has been so historically. There are, however, people who have not faith and even see it as their &quot;ministry&quot; to attack the KJB - this is the essence of &quot;unreasonable and wicked&quot;.

&quot;In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.&quot; (2 Corinthians 4:4).

That which is [b:8f213d2cbd]glorified and glorious[/b:8f213d2cbd] - &quot;the word of the Lord&quot; - has light to dispel the darkness of unbelief and sin.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2115', '3d478bfe09', 'Translation of ekklesia', 'I have a question.  Why was ekklesia translated as church, rather than assembly or congregation?  Thank you.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2116', '2580468be8', 'A question.', 'Sorry to answer this with a question but why would there be any doubt that the Greek was translated correctly as &quot;church&quot;?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2117', '080bfd19cf', '', 'My Strong\'s says assembly or congregation.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2118', '709f79138a', '', '[quote:709f79138a=\"AnglerJake\"]My Strong\'s says assembly or congregation.[/quote:709f79138a]
Is final authority Strong or KJB?
Did God inspire the word \'church\' or \'assembly/congregation\'?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2119', 'cecd1ca4f3', '', 'That is a good question.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2120', '44432e02c8', '', 'The Apocrypha printed with the King James Bible can be found in print from Cambridge, and from Oxford. It can be viewed online various places, such as at http://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/kjv/browse.html');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2121', '0f69985628', '', 'This is not a debate forum.

Clearly, the King James Bible says &quot;church&quot; not some strange Greek word.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2122', 'f4c89ba6f0', 'Final.', 'The King James Bible (and specifically the PCE) is the final Received Text.

The matter of &quot;what does the Greek mean or say?&quot; has been settled.

The word &quot;church&quot; is the correct translation. If Strong (or anyone else for that matter) says otherwise, they are wrong.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2123', '74232fe3ec', 'Archaic words', 'What dictionaries are good in helping one define difficult and archaic words in the KJB?
For example: What is an unicorn? I know that it is on the coat of arms in the UK
I have the Defined King James Bible, the Sword Bible and the KJB Life Application Bible. Are these good for definitions or are these garbage?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2124', '04a5f1639c', 'Books', 'Two good books are the Word Study Bible by Harrison House
The Bible is a KJB and contains Bible study helps from the Word of Faith teachers and a topical concordance on various topics sort of like a topical concordance
and the Complete Personalized Promise Bible by James Riddle, it has every promise of the Bible
One down side, all the Scriptures are not from the KJB
There are also some good study Bibles that have the KJB but these do not have the PCE 
The King James Study Bible 
one by Nelson and the other by Zondervan
Dake\'s Annotated Reference Bible
The Scofield Reference Bible 
The Companion Bible
The Life Application Bible
The Full Life Study Bible or the Fire Study Bible
New Defender\'s Study Bible
Ruck man Reference Bible
KJV Subject Bible
There are more at the KJV Store
Look some up
Get a Strong\'s Concordance and look up different verses
There are a few topical Bibles out there as well');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2125', 'a088085ca6', 'Not archaic.', '[quote:a088085ca6]difficult and archaic words in the KJB[/quote:a088085ca6]
There are difficult but not &quot;archaic&quot; words in the KJB.
Archaic implies words that are no longer used, yet the KJB is still used extensively. Thus, any words in the KJB cannot be archaic.

The Bible itself can be used to define difficult words. Scroll down and listen to the sermons &quot;Does the King James Bible use “archaic” words?&quot; and &quot;A study approach to the King James Bible&quot; at http://www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2126', 'c951072c80', '', 'You always have to sort the chaff from the wheat with a study Bible or any such materials.

One of the better books is Henry Morris\' &quot;Many Infallible Proofs&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2127', 'f016749f2e', '', 'The word &quot;unicorn&quot; is explained in one of the sermons listed on the Bible Protector site. Not only is there historical evidence that the word was &quot;unicorn&quot; and meaning &quot;one horned animal&quot;, but also, there is scientific evidence of one horned animals.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2128', '983b2adfa7', 'dictionaries', 'What dictionaries are helpful in defining difficult words?
I mean words commonly not used today eg: abjects and words like that
Webster\'s dictionary, I mean the original one is the American one
For the British Commonwealth countries what dictionary or dictionaries are good?
Trinitarian Bible Society has a small booklet defining difficult words
There are many such helps
Any recommendations?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2129', '5fa8659e3e', '', '1. What dictionaries are helpful in defining difficult words? 

Personal study into the Bible itself is the primary step that people need to take.

Using a dictionary should just be a &quot;help&quot;, not a formal approach of Biblical study. For example, I use the Oxford English Dictionary. This is better than any other.

2. I mean words commonly not used today eg: abjects and words like that Webster\'s dictionary, I mean the original one is the American one

I do not recommend Webster. The OED is better.

3. For the British Commonwealth countries what dictionary or dictionaries are good? 

The OED.

4. Trinitarian Bible Society has a small booklet defining difficult words 
There are many such helps 
Any recommendations?

Such helps should be used with caution. Many of those words are not really difficult, and some of the definitions are doctrinal in nature. The word &quot;baptism&quot; is an example.

The best approach is first to use the Bible itself. John Canne wrote about this whole area of interpreting Scripture with Scripture. That goes for understanding what words mean too.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2130', 'b18650e05d', 'Cambridge and Oxford and National', 'What are the differences between Cambridge and Oxford? Where can I find an Oxford Bible? Is the National Publishing Company an Oxford Bible?

[from another topic]

National Bible Publishers have a contract with Oxford 
These are the Oxford Bibles besides the Scofields that Oxford has their name on');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2131', '99ee494768', 'The Protector, 4 December 2011', '[img:99ee494768]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:99ee494768]

[color=red:99ee494768]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:99ee494768]

WELCOME! [i:99ee494768]The Protector[/i:99ee494768] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:99ee494768][color=darkblue:99ee494768]EDITORIAL[/color:99ee494768][/size:99ee494768]

DIALOGUE ON 1 JOHN 5:8

(I was impressed with the following private correspondance, so I got permission from this brother, John, to publicly share the following.)

In the last few days, a brother wrote, “I read with interest your comments about the capitalization of the word spirit in 1Jo 5:8. Recently I came across a photocopy of a letter from Cambridge University Press which acknowledged they had made an error by not having the word capitalized. I am looking for a more complete explanation about why the word should or should not be capitalized.”

I replied, “That letter shows the level of knowledge of Cambridge University Press, which has greatly diminished (already in 1985), that they for no good reason changed to capital ‘S’ from ‘spirit’ in 1 John 5:8, even though it had been &quot;spirit&quot; in 1638, in the 1769 Edition and many others.

I have numerous writings and information on the subject on my website, which is probably as ‘complete’ as is available at this time, but general information here: http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=428

“Basically, it comes down to a wrong assumption that people have that the word ‘spirit’ should be capital, when clearly there is a distinction in usage if they were to examine the King James Bible, such as, ‘my spirit’ (Joel 2:28) versus &quot;of my Spirit&quot; (Acts 2:17). Also, that the usage of ‘Spirit’ in John 5:6 does not require capital in verse 8 due to the specific structure of verses 7 &amp; 8, and the actual context of verse 9 which is talking about a witness within believers, i.e. their own spirit which is connected to the Holy Ghost.”

Here was our brother’s reply yesterday, “Dear Matthew, Thank you so much for your kind response. I have discovered that paying attention to the words is very important and such is the case here. You directed me to look at 1Jo 5:9, so I looked at it and v10 also. It seems apparent to me from these two verses that a comparison is being made between the witness of God and the witness of man. 1Jo 5:7 is the witness of God and 1Jo 5:8 is the witness of man. Therefore, it is man’s spirit which is being spoken of and should not be capitalized. I have felt this to be the case, but failed to recognize the confirmation given in vv9-10. Thanks again. John.”

Amen!

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A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:99ee494768]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:99ee494768]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:99ee494768][color=darkblue:99ee494768]DIRECTORY[/color:99ee494768][/size:99ee494768]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2132', '2881173d07', '', 'The main current differences are listed here: www.bibleprotector.com/editions

I don\'t recommend Oxford KJBs, but you can get them through OUP, Amazon, etc.

Also, for background, look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBlJNZ1KquM');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2133', '1535cfae5c', 'Biblical Pentecostal church around Brisbane?', 'Does anyone Know of a Faithful old- time Pentecostal Church around Brisbane? - preferably southside. I am weary of visiting new churches and being disappointed in what they are teaching');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2134', '44ac95f340', 'Someone else', 'Someone else may be able to help you but wherever you go with respect to Pentecostalism we would advocate that the best would recognise the following:
http://www.bibleprotector.com/KJBOandPENTECOST.pdf

We do recognise, however, that there are varying degrees in the quality of churches, some far worse than others (eg. we have heard of some &quot;Pentecostals&quot; actually banning the KJB from being used in pulpits!).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2135', '3ea683e31a', 'Oxford Bibles', 'Oxford sells 
Scofield Reference Bibles
National Bible Company Bibles
KJB Special Occasion Edition
1967 Scofield with Word Changes
Scofield Study Bible Iii
Wide  Margin Reference Bible');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2147', '27a06c5a5b', 'Westminster', 'Which were the government publishers

[from another topic]

What editions of the KJB are published in London or other parts of the UK? 
which bear the government license? 
Do you think there may be another revision of the KJB? 
when was the last revision of the KJB done? 
how many were done since the PCE?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2148', '74a14a597e', 'KJB Editions', 'Can you put the Editions comparisions in PDf format for me?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2137', '8564145c80', '1917 Scofield Reference Bible', 'How does a Scofield differ from an Oxford?
From a Cambridge?

[from another thread]

Your right 
A hardcover or leather full size Scofield reads like an Oxford not sure what year 
A pocket size Scofield reads more like a Cambridge 
There are also a Scofield III and 1967 Scofield with Word Changes');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2146', '0086ebe087', '', 'Yes and no.

Oxford = a place.
Oxford University Press = a publisher.

There were London publishers. Some editions were published from Westminster, which is to say, by order of the government or Church leaders.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2145', '71eda8ec70', '', 'www.bibleprotector.com/editions

also in the draft of my book historical comparisons are listed (you can download this on the Bible Protector website).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2152', 'f4b92ebd9f', 'False accusations against KJB words', 'The accusation that the KJB incorrectly translates the Scripture is completely fake and unfounded. Some anti-KJBOs have said that the KJB does not properly translate the Textus Receptus. Here is why they are wrong:

When the Bible said that it was to go to all nations, it meant that the Scripture would fully be in English. For example, “But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith” (Romans 16:26).

Now that so much time and testing has taken place, we can be fully assured that God did not require us to turn back to the beggarly elements of the Hebrew and Greek tongues as though the truth was hidden there, and not manifestly set forth in our tongue.

The real issue here is the attack on the right and proper words in the KJB. These are the examples which they give as supposedly incorrect.

Acts 19:37 — “robbers of churches” — a clear and precise translation, where the objections given are doctrinally motivated by those who do not agree with church structure and/or organised giving.

Isa. 14:12 — “Lucifer” — a proper traditional translation objected to by those who confuse concepts and especially by those who have the agenda to call evil good.

Acts 12:4 — “Easter” — the traditional and proper word for the feast so described in the passage, also used traditionally by Christians to mean the festival which they celebrate to this very day.

Acts 2:38 — “Baptism” — objected to because of some people’s incorrect doctrine.

Luke 18:12 — “tithes of all I possess” — objected to because of some people’s incorrect doctrine and a deliberate misunderstanding of “possess” which is used verbally, that is to say, what I come to possess by increase.

Gal. 3:24 — “schoolmaster” — a denial of the teaching of the Old Testament.

1 Sam. 10:24 — “God save the king” — which is not in the “TR” because it is a quote from the Old Testament, but which is a proper and true translation objected to again (like other examples in this list) because of an ideological agenda, in this case, anti-monarchism.

Rom. 3:4 — “God forbid” — the perfect and accurate translation in English, despite strange, strained and unreasonable objections of some who attempt to smear the King James Bible because it does not correspond an English word to an original word in every place, which method is a gross misunderstanding of sensible translation.

Lev. 6:21 — “sweet savour” — another example of modernistic cut-down dictionaries’ misunderstanding of the proper sense of Bible words.

1 Kings 20:38 — “ashes upon his face” — clearly contextually correct.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2142', '7914a1f304', 'Westminster KJB', 'Did Westminster ever publish the KJB?
Remember the companies were divided between Westminster Oxford and Cambridge');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2143', '88eb8c2c37', 'KJB Editions differences list', 'Where can I find the different editions of the KJB listed on variations list?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2144', '7def8aacae', '', 'Scofield is an Oxford, there are different Scofield editions though.

See www.bibleprotector.com/editions');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2153', '18fed6d8be', 'American publishers of the KJB', 'I called various publishers in American that publish the KJB and asked what text they used for their KJBs

Hendrickson said Scofield and Scrivner but will transfer to Scofield
Christian Science Publishing Society 1611 Non-Revised They also sell ABS KJBs and Oxford
Zondervan. Oxford 1769 the King James Study Bible uses Scrivner
National Bible Company uses Oxford 1769
I await response from B&amp;H, Thomas Nelson, and Oxford
How can this be accurate when one publisher capitalizes a word while another doesn\'t and claim to be from the same text
Who wants to do a US comparison');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2154', 'f61f336ad7', '', 'Zondervan\'s Scrivener is not identical to Scrivener\'s.

If anyone says &quot;Oxford 1769&quot; or &quot;Cambridge 1769&quot; they are mistaken. They are probably using their own variant. Most publishers know very little about the text they print. Even Cambridge (as quoted by David Norton) professes ignorance.

The American publishers are all over the place... but that\'s not surprising, considering that Oxford Editions differ among themselves and Cambridge Editions differ to each other.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2155', '91f6f04773', 'The Protector, 11 December 2011', '[img:91f6f04773]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:91f6f04773]

[color=red:91f6f04773]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:91f6f04773]

WELCOME! [i:91f6f04773]The Protector[/i:91f6f04773] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:91f6f04773][color=darkblue:91f6f04773]EDITORIAL[/color:91f6f04773][/size:91f6f04773]

WE DON’T NEED TO GO TO THE GREEK

When we study the Bible, we believe that we really have God’s Word present with us. We believe the Holy Ghost really is able to lead. And we are certain that the ministries and record which exists in the Church is more than sufficient... we don’t need to turn into the Greek language to find out what words belong or what words mean in the Bible. We have a full and perfect witness in English.

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” (Matthew 24:14).

No doubt is cast on the Gospel, even though it obviously is not in Greek among most nations. Greek is never stipulated as important. If anything, the most singular language where the Gospel has been used by is English.

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you” (Matthew 28:19, 20a).

Jesus never said that Greek knowledge was a prerequisite, nor was Greek or Hebrew even mentioned as necessary in following the very words and commands of our Lord.

“But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:” (Romans 16:26).

The same God who first caused the Scripture to appear by inspiration is the same God who has caused the inspired Scripture to come to the world in English today. There is no need for Greek for those who do not know Greek.

Therefore, it is mistaken to imply or teach that going to and using the Greek is important or necessary today. This is a satanic strategy designed to undermine the truth that God’s Word is in English, and further, that the real message of God is somehow locked up in the foreign and venerable Greek.

[size=18:91f6f04773][color=darkblue:91f6f04773]NEWS[/color:91f6f04773][/size:91f6f04773]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:91f6f04773]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:91f6f04773]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:91f6f04773][color=darkblue:91f6f04773]DIRECTORY[/color:91f6f04773][/size:91f6f04773]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2156', '94d5bff5bc', 'Hymns', 'What hymn books are good?
For me personally I like a few hymns from different traditions
It seems funny that Rome is using Protestant hymns now too. 
Some of Rome\'s hymns are Biblical eg. Come Holy Ghost Creature Blest
Some of the Anglican or the Episcopal hymns are Biblical eg. Lift High The Cross
I guess the best way to see if a hymn is Biblical is to open the Bible and compare the hymn against the Bible');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2157', '538820b5ca', 'Book of Common Prayer', 'What books on prayer are good?
what do you think of the Book of Common Prayer?
Any other prayer books that are good?
It\'s a mixed bag along with the prayer books of the different traditions
The KJB was quoted in in a lot prayer books until recently 
A lot of the churches use modern English instead of the language of the KJB');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2158', '467e7d0103', 'New Cambridge Paragraph Bible', 'Please do a list of the differences between the PCE and the New 
Cambridge Paraphrase Bible
How was the NCPB done?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2159', '3bf45acff0', 'American Publishers of the KJB', 'What are differences between the Cambridge Paragraph Bible and
Zondervan\'s Scrivner and
Hendrickson\'s Scrivner');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2160', 'd3fd0a4111', 'Yankee KJBs', 'Do a version sheet of KJBs published in the USA?
Say if there Cambridge or Oxford
Do the different publishers
Whomever printed the KJB publish a comparison list');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2172', 'd37750665c', '', 'We recommend the KJB only.

We recommend the KJB should be used.

Aramaic is an inaccurate word to use in this context. That word is not in the Bible.

I don\'t know the full details of Spanish Bibles, but I know none match the KJB. The KJB is better.

As for different Spanish Versions, the better one would be the closest to the KJB. Of course, the English Bible is always better than the Spanish Bible.

I have some youtube videos on some of these areas, you can look at my videos for more information at www.youtube.com/bibleprotector');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2171', 'df0604549d', '', 'The common book of prayer is not much used except for weddings, and most non-Anglicans would not use it. Most people make up their own prayers rather than just reading them from a book. Free prayer is common sense.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2164', '5cf8958413', 'Bibles in other langauges', 'What Bibles are good in the languages of the world?
What Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts are good?
What Spanish Bibles are good? 
I know that there is a debate about different ones 
I think the issue should be explored as well');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2168', '633c2bedd7', 'Concord Cambridge differs', 'Is it true that the Concord Cambridge a revision of the Cambridge text to match some readings in Oxford?
what  Bibles  match the Concord Cambridge');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2169', 'e79c3f5f8c', '', 'There are a few differences, such as the word &quot;faith&quot; at Hebrews 10:23, where Scrivener had &quot;hope&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2170', 'e290a1bf21', '', 'Most publishers have no idea that there are differences, there has only been little research done in this area since Scrivener\'s time to Edward Hills\' time (say 1984). The sources that we have are:

1. F. H. A. Scrivener (1873, 1884) concentrates mainly before 1769
2. W. Aldis Wright (1911) concentrates on 1611 editions
3. A. W. Pollard (1911) concentrates on first few years
4. D. A. Waite (1985) compares 1611 to 1917 Scofield
4. David Norton (2005) concentrates mainly before 1769
5. Rick Norris 
6. Matthew Verschuur (www.bibleprotector.com)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2173', 'e9811bc5b4', '', 'Yes, that is true based on the examination of the Concord as compared to other 20th century Cambridge editions. Also, David Norton says the Concord was made &quot;in concord&quot; with Oxford.

One wonders whether they should spell it &quot;concorde&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2174', 'cb02bdb01c', 'Oxford', 'The National Publishing Company has different Bibles that they print 
The Boldtext Pew Bible is a Bible that has Oxford and Cambridge readings
The Self-Prouncing Reference Bible is a true Oxford
It seems the Bibles with older dates are true Oxford 
Now it seems the publishers are presenting the with Oxford and Cambridge mixed reading like the Concord Cambridge');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2175', '5ac5444a8e', 'Westminster Bibles', 'It seems that the Westminster Text, what I call Bibles like the Early 1800s London, Victorian London and the 1950s London Edition are presented in the Bible published by the Christian Science Publishing Society 

Seems funny that the Oxford and Westminster text are being published by American publishers');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2176', '63a6733aba', '', 'It is inaccurate and improper to name some various London editions &quot;Westminster&quot; in that they are Eyre and Strahan or Eyre and Spottiswoode productions.

Also, since various Oxford editions were common, it means that the Oxford peculiarities are found in many internet and printed KJBs.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2177', '0379ac9959', 'Cambridge Variants', 'what are variant texts of the KJB that are published by Cambridge');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2178', 'f9875e92ea', '', 'Descoob, a lot of what you\'re asking is found by a thorough read of the articles, booklets and publications that Bibleprotector has on this site. Why not tell us a bit about what you actually believe and who you are?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2179', 'de4326d149', 'My name', 'Descoob or The Scoob is a nick name derived from Scooby Doo the Cartoon Dog
My name is David Katcher 
I live in White Plains, NY 
My birthday is January 1
I am new the Pure Cambridge Edition issue 
Honestly I thought it was a joke at first but now I really think that it is very serious 
I honestly think that the Pure Cambridge Edition has a lot of merit
Many KJBs on the market in America are not true KJBs
If anybody knows where I can find a Pure Cambridge Edition, wants to send me one that I will pay for or for free
What are the true center references? I mean references to other verses, Hebrew Chaldee and Greek words and alternate translations 
My e-mail address is Dakatcher@aol.com');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2180', '21ff993fc3', '', 'They are available through book sales sites like Amazon second hand.

I have put your email into a list of people I will contact when I have PCEs available.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2181', 'f9c583294c', 'Thanks.', '[quote:f9c583294c]Honestly I thought it was a joke at first but now I really think that it is very serious 
I honestly think that the Pure Cambridge Edition has a lot of merit[/quote:f9c583294c]Thanks for the insight. We\'re certainly happy about this change.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2182', '87363e57be', 'Center column references', 'So any Cambridge Bible that is published today has the proper references?
I mean references to other verses, literal renderings from Hebrew Chaldee and Greek , and alternative translations

[added from another thread]

which Cambridge KJB printings have the proper KJB margins or center/centre column references 
Eg: Malachi 1:1 the reads by Malachi but there is a note that says Heb. or Hebrew by the hand of Malachi, there are notes that say Chald. Or Chaldee, some say Gr. Or Greek 
Some notes give an alternative meaning of a Hebrew Chaldee or Greek word using the word or 
Also there are references to parallel passages 
I have the Pitt Minion and Concord Cambridge Reduced do they give the proper KJB margin or center/centre column references[/b]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2183', '2cdb1b76eb', 'Oxford and London Editions', 'For comparing the KJB editions list

The Oxford text  marked O and OE is best represented by KJV Gift and Award Bible published by 
Holman Bible Publishers c 1979

The National Publishing Company Bibles are O and 
OE except they read spirit in 1 John 5:8

The London Editions is best represented by the KJB published by the Christian Science Publishing Society
I have not checked World Bible Publishers nor Zondervan');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2184', 'b54976c3f6', 'Treasury of Scripture Knowledge', 'How is the book Treasury of Scripture Knowledge? Does it it give proper parallel passages, literal translations from Hebrew Chaldee and Greek, and alternative translations?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2185', 'fafe4b35ed', '', '[quote:fafe4b35ed]So any Cambridge Bible that is published today has the proper references? [/quote:fafe4b35ed]

No. Plenty of Cambridge Bibles have no references. Also, Scrivener\'s and Norton\'s may have incorrect references.

[quote:fafe4b35ed]I mean references to other verses, literal renderings from Hebrew Chaldee and Greek , and alternative translations[/quote:fafe4b35ed]

You mean variant translations. The words of God have no alternatives.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2187', 'ff486cc1e6', 'center column references', 'The Pitt Minion and Reduced Concord have the proper references correct?
I am talking the three that I mentioned above');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2188', 'd031fc364a', 'PCEs from different publishers', 'Someone told me about the PCE available at Bible Truth Publishers
It\'s called the Cambridge Pure Text
I spoke to the buyer and he said it matched the 12 point PCE criteria
it sells for $29.95 so I\'ll get two');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2189', '9984bf8ff9', '', 'I would suspect that Pitt Minion has them correct. The Concord would be okay, though there may be a different italic or something somewhere.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2190', 'b03688294e', 'Lumen', 'The PCE can also be find in Lumen KJV Compact Bible
it is at the KJV Store for $5.00
It matches all 12 criteria for a PCE
There are a few mistakes one verse reads cliffs instead of clifts
Part of t he verse is not in full caps');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2191', '6bb22cc7c3', 'TSK', 'Is the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge good for references to parallel passages, more literal renderings of Hebrew Chaldee and Greek words. Eg: Heb. Chal Gr.  and another way of translating a word eg:or');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2192', '787c84b46f', 'PCE', 'Martin Richling from the Scriptures Alone Bible School told me about Bible Truth Publishers');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2193', 'c0818d44af', 'Finality', '[quote:c0818d44af]more literal renderings of Hebrew Chaldee and Greek words[/quote:c0818d44af]
The KJB gives the proper and correct renderings. We don\'t need &quot;more literal&quot;. We no longer have to go to the Hebrew etc. because God has providentially superintended the translation of His words exactly and precisely (with the complete original sense) into English. In other words, the PCE KJB is the [b:c0818d44af]final [/b:c0818d44af]received text.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2194', '0b87cdfab7', '', 'Good information.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2195', '865d9d5025', 'TSN', 'Well actually Malachi 1:1 
Instead of by Malachi, the actual Hebrew text by that I mean all of them literally reads by the hand of Malachi 
The King James translators but a note in the margin to the left side of the page the modern KJBs have it in the center/centre column 
Heb. by the hand of Malachi 
Check a Hebrew text it reads that way
This is not to take away from the KJB
None of the bibles  except the NKJV, a counterfeit going by the name King James have this note 
Like Matthew says, a KJB margin is not scripture but enables us to reach forward
The material in the margins, some is good and some not so good
Prayer is key to find out the truth in the area
Maybe a Pure Margin Edition is in order for the true margins
I mean ones without corruption
So what do you think of the book?
Is it good for study or should I trash it?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2196', '5c382af5bc', 'Some things', 'Margins are not alternatives. Read the following: http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=300

Concerning helps, they are okay as long as they don\'t contradict the KJB. Where they do, those parts must be disregarded.

The Holy Ghost leads believers into all truth. Such leading is always in agreement with the Bible.

Those who hold to a proper KJB only position will understand that God has placed His written Word in our hands and we don\'t need to seek for alternatives or private interpretations.

The following is characteristic of the modernist trend: &quot;And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.&quot; (Amos 8:12).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2197', '92b7ec7786', '', '[quote:92b7ec7786=\"Descoob\"]Well actually Malachi 1:1 
Instead of by Malachi, the actual Hebrew text by that I mean all of them literally reads by the hand of Malachi [/quote:92b7ec7786]

This is a mistaken way of understanding or using the margins.

The margins are not &quot;more correct&quot; or &quot;equally correct&quot; with the main text. They are always &quot;less correct&quot;.

For example, if we are told something in Malachi 1:1, the introduction of the concept in the margin of &quot;by the hand of&quot; is not precisely correct. It may be the literal, but imprecise sense.

There are many examples where in English the literal meaning is not the intended meaning. People say silly things like, &quot;He is a pain in the neck&quot;, which might mean, &quot;He is annoying&quot;.

The actual correct sense is given in the English Bible. The margins are therefore variant. Perhaps they are close, maybe they are far. Sometimes they are quite opposite. We are not reading a multiple choice &quot;pick what suits you&quot; Bible.

[quote:92b7ec7786=\"Descoob\"]The King James translators but a note in the margin to the left side of the page the modern KJBs have it in the center/centre column 
Heb. by the hand of Malachi 
Check a Hebrew text it reads that way
This is not to take away from the KJB[/quote:92b7ec7786]

Actually, the Hebrew does not read that way. What we understand in English is the way a Hebrew person understood it. Not the marginal translation.

[quote:92b7ec7786=\"Descoob\"]None of the bibles  except the NKJV, a counterfeit going by the name King James have this note 
Like Matthew says, a KJB margin is not scripture but enables us to reach forward[/quote:92b7ec7786]

Which Matthew are you quoting? For neither the book in the Bible, nor the present author have said that marginal notes are necessary or for better understanding of the Scripture as such.

[quote:92b7ec7786=\"Descoob\"]The material in the margins, some is good and some not so good
Prayer is key to find out the truth in the area[/quote:92b7ec7786]

Nothing in the margin is as good as what is Scripture. What is the chaff to the wheat? The chaff may have some value, but when you have wheat, you do not need the chaff.

[quote:92b7ec7786=\"Descoob\"]Maybe a Pure Margin Edition is in order for the true margins
I mean ones without corruption[/quote:92b7ec7786]

Marginal material is good, proper and useful, but not in the way you imply.

* * * * *

God’s full word is in the English Bible, and we need neither Greek nor the margins to get more. This can be proven over and again from Scripture. For example, Matthew 28:19, 20 or Romans 16:26. The implication is that the full truth should be available without having to continually resort to the Greek or check between two or more variations.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2198', '5bd6a7a98f', 'The Protector, 18 December 2011', '[img:5bd6a7a98f]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:5bd6a7a98f]

[color=red:5bd6a7a98f]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:5bd6a7a98f]

WELCOME! [i:5bd6a7a98f]The Protector[/i:5bd6a7a98f] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:5bd6a7a98f][color=darkblue:5bd6a7a98f]EDITORIAL[/color:5bd6a7a98f][/size:5bd6a7a98f]

ARE MODERN VERSIONS FROM GOD?

The Word of God is the Scripture, it is truth (John 17:17), it is incorruptible and powerful. 1 Peter 1:25 states, “But the word of the Lord endures forever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”

The King James Bible is the ultimate flower of the Protestant Reformation, it has been loved, used and upheld by millions of Christians for years on end.

Modern versions assume that God has abandoned His Word after inspiration, allowing a chaos of history, attacks of Satan and natural corruption to run their course so that there is no more possibility of having one exact Bible, just many good attempts at getting close to what God said and meant.

The Lord gave His Word, endures to the present — Ps. 68:11
KJB: Is advancing as God’s Word
MVs: Come and go

Every word is right — Psalm 30:5
KJB: Every reading is correct
MVs: Differ over time, differ to each other, are never certain

His work is perfect — Deut. 32:4
KJB: The translation is accurate and exact, giving the proper sense
MVs: Differ over time, differ to each other, are never certain

The highest advances of Christianity have been in line with the Word — 1 Tim. 3:15
KJB: At the foundation of the best movements
MVs: Are only associated with compromises, weakening movements, etc.

God is able to use English to communicate His Word widely, including to the Jews — Is. 28:11
KJB: Is destined to be used for great world outreach
MVs: Aim at the lowest common denominator, assume that the Bible is unpopular and unpalatable

God is not the author of confusion — 1 Cor. 14:33
KJB: God’s truth is one, knowable and certain
MVs: All differ in places, contradict each other in places, do not tend toward any finality at all

Roman Catholics, liberal theologians and other heretics tend to support the idea of modern versions, and either imply or expressly state things against the KJB.

The Preface of the NIV states, “Like all translations of the Bible, made as they are by imperfect man, this one undoubtedly falls short of its goals.”

[size=18:5bd6a7a98f][color=darkblue:5bd6a7a98f]NEWS[/color:5bd6a7a98f][/size:5bd6a7a98f]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:5bd6a7a98f]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:5bd6a7a98f]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:5bd6a7a98f][color=darkblue:5bd6a7a98f]DIRECTORY[/color:5bd6a7a98f][/size:5bd6a7a98f]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2199', '2e1b9ccf20', 'PCE', 'I made a discovery of a PCE in Barnes and Noble on 18th and 5th in Manhattan
It matched the 12 point PCE plus Ezra 2:26 reads Geba 
The strange thing that it published by a well known publisher of novels
How\'s this for ironic Ballentine/Del Rey/Fawcett/Ivy/Presidio Press
It\'s from September 1991
ISBN 0-8041-0906-0
Wanna check an Oxford Self Pronouncing Edition
I got this one from Posman Books in Grand Central Terminal
It\'s published by Meridan
ISBN 978-0-452-01602-8');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2200', 'c793906a72', 'Building faith', 'A faith building message which I have been blessed to listen to is &quot;Hannah\'s Miracle Child&quot;. This message was preached by Marty Copeland, and she gives her testimony of how she stood in faith to see her children born, and the trials she had to overcome with God\'s help. It\'s available on CD and a copy can be ordered from the Kenneth Copeland Ministries store at www.kcm.org. It\'s good to listen to faith building messages, and whatever the circumstances are, you will be blessed by immersing yourself in God\'s Word and good preaching - it will help you come out victoriously.

&quot;...For we walk by faith, not by sight...&quot; (2 Corinthians 5:7)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2201', '9d1400c3df', 'The Protector, 25 December 2011', '[img:9d1400c3df]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:9d1400c3df]

[color=red:9d1400c3df]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:9d1400c3df]

WELCOME! [i:9d1400c3df]The Protector[/i:9d1400c3df] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:9d1400c3df][color=darkblue:9d1400c3df]EDITORIAL[/color:9d1400c3df][/size:9d1400c3df]

KNOWING THE MEANING OF A WORD

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Tim. 2:15).

Very often, the Bible uses one word which has two different applications or meanings. One meaning is the good, spiritual way. The other will be bad.

One example is the word “merry”. Being merry in regards to celebrate the Lord’s birth would be good: &quot;A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.&quot; (Proverbs 17:22). The ungodly sense is illustrated as follows: &quot;And they went out into the fields, and gathered their vineyards, and trode the grapes, and made merry, and went into the house of their god, and did eat and drink, and cursed Abimelech.&quot; (Judges 9:27).

The way to discern and know the difference in words and their use is by studying the Bible itself. Studying outside the Bible will not yield the answers like studying the Bible itself will.

[size=18:9d1400c3df][color=darkblue:9d1400c3df]NEWS[/color:9d1400c3df][/size:9d1400c3df]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:9d1400c3df]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:9d1400c3df]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:9d1400c3df][color=darkblue:9d1400c3df]DIRECTORY[/color:9d1400c3df][/size:9d1400c3df]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2202', 'f948b4a614', 'PCE', 'My PCE arrived in the mail
Search for Bible Truth Publishers
Click  on Bibles
click on Collins
Collins Comfort Text Bible: TBS 1A
Features the &quot;Cambridge Pure Text&quot;.
$29.95');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2203', 'c88db35771', 'Winter and Summer', 'It\'s really interesting that it\'s 
Winter north of the equator 
Summer south of the equator
The seasons in the Bible are understood as north of the equator 
Now there are two seasons to understand on earth now
Translators take into account the receptor language culture and sacrifice the culture of the written text
So when you read the PCE look at culture of the written text');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2204', 'ccae5b5754', 'KJB Only and Church Unity', 'I received an email from a man recently who sent an article exposing some of the Christmas myths (eg. that there were only 3 wise men, that Mary rode on a donkey, that the wise men visited Jesus in the manger etc.).

I replied: &quot;A good expose, though the modern versions are wrong to use the word \'Magi\' as though Jesus was visited by sorcerers or magicians (something forbidden by God). The KJB uses \'wise men\'.&quot;

His reply reveals his thinking tainted by modernism, so I include the whole as follows:
&quot;yeah thanks, most likely correct, but as I understand the word it is the same one that is used to talk about Elymas in Acts13:6 &amp; 8. And I certainly wouldn\'t call him a \'wise man\' :) I think some people believe they were Babylonian astrologers who propbably knew of Daniel\'s prophecies (from when he was in Babylon) of course that\'s just speculation. I imagine they probably were \'magicians\' of some sort who became Christians or something like that (more speculation :) But the bible is definitely clear that magic etc is evil...&quot;

Here are some of the problems with his reply:
(1) Even though he acknowledges that &quot;Magi&quot; is incorrect, he still goes to what he regards as originals but then entangles himself as though he must gainsay the plain English rendition. In other words, he feels compelled to quote the Greek.
(2) He relies on &quot;some people&quot; and their erroneous commentary.
(3) He still believes the wise men were some sort of magicians as though that legitimises &quot;Magi&quot;. The reality was that they were not Magi or converted magicians but believers who held to Daniel\'s prophecies. Christ came hundreds of years after Daniel (which agrees with the 70 week prophecy in Daniel). It is most likely that from the time of Daniel a core group of godly believers were established and propagated (and had a hand in the preservation of the book of Daniel).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2205', 'f67cd3e7b1', '', 'That does not make sense at all.

The Bible talks about summer and winter.

We have summer and winter in Australia.

This is no problem nor contradiction.

The Bible is correct in English.

Moreover, the Bible is correct, regardless of what people want to twist the Greek or Hebrew to mean. When it says &quot;summer&quot; it really means summer. I would mean that to the people in Bible times, even though they didn\'t have the English word &quot;summer&quot; then.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2206', '3cbce22da4', 'Seasons', 'I\'m just saying that when it\'s 
Winter in the northern hemisphere it\'s summer in the southern hemisphere
Summer in the n h and winter in the s h
Fall in the n h and spring in the s h
 Spring in the n h and fall in the s h
The Bible was written in the northern hemisphere and not the southern hemisphere
John 10:22 says Jesus was at feast of dedication or Hanukkah in the winter  if written in the Southern hemisphere it would say summer if it was using dynamic equivalence');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2207', '37891ee167', '', 'There is no reason why &quot;winter&quot; would be changed to &quot;summer&quot;.

We do not change the Bible in the southern hemisphere or in English.

(In Australia we are used to having Christmas in the middle of summer.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2208', '624f636e44', 'The Protector, 1 January 2012', '[img:624f636e44]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:624f636e44]

[color=red:624f636e44]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:624f636e44]

WELCOME! [i:624f636e44]The Protector[/i:624f636e44] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:624f636e44][color=darkblue:624f636e44]EDITORIAL[/color:624f636e44][/size:624f636e44]

THE SECRET OF ENGLAND’S GREATNESS

The secret of England’s greatness, and our own greatness this day, is the fact that God has entrusted us with the ability to provide the Word of God to the world.

“The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.” (Psalm 68:11).

“Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.” (Psalm 33:12).

“As the LORD thy God liveth, there is no nation or kingdom, whither my lord hath not sent to seek thee: and when they said, He is not there; he took an oath of the kingdom and nation, that they found thee not.” (1 Kings 18:10).

“For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for?” (Deut. 4:7).

[img:624f636e44]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/The_Secret_of_England%27s_Greatness%27_%28Queen_Victoria_presenting_a_Bible_in_the_Audience_Chamber_at_Windsor%29_by_Thomas_Jones_Barker.jpg[/img:624f636e44]

[size=18:624f636e44][color=darkblue:624f636e44]NEWS[/color:624f636e44][/size:624f636e44]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:624f636e44]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:624f636e44]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:624f636e44][color=darkblue:624f636e44]DIRECTORY[/color:624f636e44][/size:624f636e44]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2209', 'c4c4ca1166', 'KJB Only and Church Unity', 'In the sermon &quot;Should we take italics out of the King James Bible?&quot; preached on 13th of December, 2011 (scroll down to the sermon on http://www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm ), I address [b:c4c4ca1166]the inconsistency of those who hold to the modernist doctrine that the italics were not in the originals and so should be omitted[/b:c4c4ca1166].

For example, what happens when the italics are taken out of the following verse?

&quot;Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let [i:c4c4ca1166]not[/i:c4c4ca1166] arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the L[size=9:c4c4ca1166]ORD[/size:c4c4ca1166] [i:c4c4ca1166]is[/i:c4c4ca1166] a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.” (1 Samuel 2:3).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2210', '196cb1ddfe', 'The Protector, 8 January 2012', '[img:196cb1ddfe]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:196cb1ddfe]

[color=red:196cb1ddfe]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:196cb1ddfe]

WELCOME! [i:196cb1ddfe]The Protector[/i:196cb1ddfe] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:196cb1ddfe][color=darkblue:196cb1ddfe]EDITORIAL[/color:196cb1ddfe][/size:196cb1ddfe]

THE ENDTIME GATHERING

Jesus is very explicit when He says, “He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.” (Luke 11:23).

One thing we can deduce very easily from this and other passages, is that there is a law of scattering and gathering. This is related to sowing and reaping but different. In sowing and reaping, seeds may be scattered into a field, but there comes a time of reaping what was sown — the ingathering.

This is the kind of idea in Ecclesiastes, “A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together” (Ecc. 3:5).

But the principle of scattering says that no matter what happens to the work of God, it comes together in the end. Consider that Church was scattered. This was the work of the enemy. Yet this cannot thwart the final gathering of the true Church. There are many verses to show this.

Again, the Scriptures have been scattered. And yet, in time, God has outworked so that despite the scattering, He has gathered. The point is that those things which work against Him actually are part of His plan in bringing to pass the tried and true result.

If things have been taken and stolen, then it is the plan of God to bring things back in a great restoration and victory. For years there was no Pentecost. Then it was hard for people to receive the baptism in the Holy Ghost. But we have come to a time where it is easy, if people are but willing to receive. This is part of the great restitution. “... and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.” (Genesis 49:10b).

[size=18:196cb1ddfe][color=darkblue:196cb1ddfe]NEWS[/color:196cb1ddfe][/size:196cb1ddfe]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:196cb1ddfe]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:196cb1ddfe]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:196cb1ddfe][color=darkblue:196cb1ddfe]DIRECTORY[/color:196cb1ddfe][/size:196cb1ddfe]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2211', 'a7fb19d89b', 'Hymnals', 'So then what hymnals are good?
There should be a collection of hymns to be used in services that are in unity with the teachings of the Bible
It should take into consideration the various Christian traditions
What shall be call it?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2212', '3feccdc57a', 'Oxford', 'Wanna check an Oxford Self Pronouncing Edition 
I got this one from Posman Books in Grand Central Terminal 
It\'s published by Meridan 
ISBN 978-0-452-01602-8

Holman has an Oxford text in some instances
Genesis Publishers have Bibles that have the Oxford text
Bible Truth Publishers sell Oxford\'s starting from $9.95 up');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2213', '40eaa14bd1', '', 'The best hymnal I know is the &quot;Redemption Hymnal&quot;. But it is not perfect.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2234', '51b26f8519', '', 'Very good perspective.  I will do this.  I know it is easier to find a quick answer from a website and I am at fault for that.  But what you are saying makes much more sense.  The internet and cable TV are filled with different sources of biblical teachings these days.  That is good and bad because filtering out the good teachings from the bad is hard sometimes.  I\'ll probably still frequent certain websites to help with my bible studies but I won\'t rely on their teachings until my bible studies reaffirm it. Where I was making my mistake was taking one scripture and not taking into consideration the context and also not finding how it lines up with other scriptures.  I\'ve read the new testament many times but the old testament not as much.  

Thanks for the quick reply.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2235', '566e13b5a8', 'Cambridge Concord', 'I prefer a red letter Bible and have used the KJV for 50 years.  Don\'t plan on changing.  We use it in our church services as well.  What is the opinion of the Cambridge Concord Bible with red letters?

Thank You!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2236', '7a9086f45e', 'Re: Cambridge Concord', '[quote:7a9086f45e=\"AnglerJake\"]I prefer a red letter Bible and have used the KJV for 50 years.  Don\'t plan on changing.  We use it in our church services as well.  What is the opinion of the Cambridge Concord Bible with red letters?

Thank You![/quote:7a9086f45e]
Cambridge Concord 8vo is not PCE; I have a copy.
This site has the list of differences between the two.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2237', '56569bba3d', 'Cambridge Concord', 'I know it is not PCE - but I have not found a red letter PCE.  I was thinking perhaps the concord was very close?  Thanks all.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2238', '75ae862f81', 'LCBP declares war on the PCE', 'http://www.localchurchbiblepublishers.com/?qa_faqs=are-any-of-your-bibles-the-pure-cambridge-edition-pce-text

Apparently, the main reason why they think the PCE is wrong (in regards to 1 John 5:8), is because Cambridge University Press in America sent someone this letter June 3, 1985, in which the oress admits to changing the word &quot;spirit&quot; to &quot;Spirit&quot;, 

“I don\'t know how to say this to you other than to be perfectly honest. We are very grateful to you even though you have put your finger on a matter of some embarras[s]ment regarding the lower case \'s\' in Spirit, reference 1Jn.,5:8. 

“There is no way of knowing how many years this particular edition has carried the misprint. Our Bible department in England was astounded that this has never been noticed before. I assumed some mysterious theological question was involved and overlooked the obvious in my search of commentaries. 

“This error of course, will be corrected in subsequent printings thanks to your sharp eyes. Again, we are very grateful.” 

It is signed, Jerry L. Hooper. 

Having some regard to the quality of the work of LCBP, and to the good work of Cambridge in the past, it is sad and bad that they have both now committed to this position.

[b:75ae862f81]ANSWER

The above letter is hardly evidence that the King James Bible should be wrong to have lowercase “s” on the word “spirit” in 1 John 5:8, because:

1. Nearly all normal Cambridge Bibles from 1629 to 1985 had “spirit”.

2. The change was made out of ignorance of tradition, and was made oblivious to the fact that the proper use had been common in many King James Bibles, and was there that way by purpose and reason, especially since that rendering appeared throughout the earlier part of the twentieth century. That is to say, the reason for change is whimsical.

3. The contextual, structural and interpretive reasonings indicate that lower case “spirit” there is correct.

4. The use of lower case “spirit” is observed in many other places in the King James Bible today. (One thinks they would be at a loss to explain Joel 2:28, 29 as compared to Acts 2:17, 18, or else 1 Cor. 2:12 in its context.)

5. If Cambridge happened to be printing a King James Bible which was regarded as right at every other place, why would it have been wrong at one place and altered in that manner in 1985? It is much more reasonable to argue that the process of editing which came out of the Oxford 1769 Edition and the Cambridge editions leading to the beginning of the twentieth century were already settling any last issue, and that the great witness of the Pure Cambridge Edition throughout the twentieth century should not suddenly be regarded as nothing because of some foolhardy decision to change the very words of God.[/b:75ae862f81]

I know there are some people who think the issue does not matter, or who are not resolved on what exactly is correct. But where people make their decisions on such flimsy grounds (and against the desire of their own potential allies and market), it means that we must see others raised up to do the greater works, and ourselves examples for the truth, hopefully yet convincing these also.

The Bible is in danger of further changes also. (Cambridge has already passed to the Church the proper edition of the KJB, so they have no need, nor now right, to change it.) But that is why we protect the Bible.

&quot;Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.&quot; (Psalm 35:27).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2230', 'dd622a1189', 'What is faith?', 'If you want to know what it means to live by faith, meditate on faith Scriptures, and ask the Lord to help you to do it. The Lord can teach you how to live by faith, and step by step He will guide you. As a Christian, this is how He wants you to live, because it glorifies Him, and puts you in agreement with His will. God will never let you down and He will never fail you as you put your trust in Him in all things.

&quot;If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [i:dd622a1189]men [/i:dd622a1189]liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.&quot; (James 1:5)

&quot;Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.&quot; (Proverbs 3:5, 6)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2231', '60a75da338', '', 'I have read the comments from that link and they make biblical sense.  My confusion started when I was looking into this topic and visited a website that I frequently go to for clarification on biblical questions.  The website is called GotQuestions.org.  They have a different view on women serving as pastors or elders.

http://www.gotquestions.org/women-pastors.html

Still confused on this issue.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2232', '213eead610', '', 'The internet is full of many kinds of voices.

We all know that different Christian groups have different views of issues, but finding the Biblical answer is far greater than just knowing 20 different opinions.

People should use the Bible itself, not just teachings about the Bible from others. There are good teachers around, but unless people are convinced in their own minds and look at the Bible themselves, good teaching will be drowned out by all the other stuff that includes much foolishness.

Proper study also means knowing how words are used and what they mean in the Bible. For example, it would be strange if a person said, &quot;a woman cannot make any noise or sound in church because they must keep silence&quot;. It would be strange, because that would mean no singing or no footsteps. Rather, the proper meaning has to be discerned. More importantly the context indicates the circumstances. That\'s why studying the Bible is important.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2233', 'c1731320fd', 'The Protector, 5 February 2012', '[img:c1731320fd]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:c1731320fd]

[color=red:c1731320fd]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:c1731320fd]

WELCOME! [i:c1731320fd]The Protector[/i:c1731320fd] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:c1731320fd][color=darkblue:c1731320fd]EDITORIAL[/color:c1731320fd][/size:c1731320fd]

WORDS ABOUT THE GODHEAD

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Revelation 22:18, 19).

One of the most controversial passages of the Bible is 1 John 5:7. It might be controversial to some because of it’s content, since it is very clearly pro-Trinitarian. But it is made an issue by modern textual critics who claim that this verse should not be in the Bible because many old Greek copies of the Scripture do not have it.

Remember, the Bible tells us not to add to or take from Scripture. The modernist says, “1 John 5:7 is an addition”, while the traditional believer says, “the modernists are removing words of Scripture.” The point is that in line with Revelation 22:18, 19, only one party can be right.

The modernist argument has nothing to do with God, but is entirely the product of human wisdom. They see with their eyes, and reason with their hearts, that Greek manuscripts are to be used as their greatest appeal. But the Bible never limited truth to “Greek manuscripts”.

How is it that the great body of Calvinists and Anglicans in the Reformation accepted 1 John 5:7? Surely, one major aspect of this is to receive the truth. The Apostle Paul wrote, “the tradition which he received of us.” (2 Thessalonians 3:6b).

It is important to view these words are cared for by God throughout the ages. The same God who has supplied these words to us today also supplied them to believers in the past, despite whatever attacks have come on these words (including their deletion by old heretics).

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.” (1 John 5:7, 8).

Here’s a great resource, a book by Bishop Burgess, which explains the technical issues surrounding 1 John 5:7, http://pa-john.freehostia.com/SUPLEM/Burgess1.html

[size=18:c1731320fd][color=darkblue:c1731320fd]NEWS[/color:c1731320fd][/size:c1731320fd]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:c1731320fd]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:c1731320fd]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:c1731320fd][color=darkblue:c1731320fd]DIRECTORY[/color:c1731320fd][/size:c1731320fd]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2229', '30b4fd63ea', 'What is faith?', 'Dr Leroy Thompson Sr of EIWM has some very good words to say about living by faith, for instance:

&quot;...you must spend time in prayer, meditation, and praise.  Anytime you activate these three, you are in the process of overruling the natural.  Anytime you communicate with God you are about to get into a conversation that doesn\'t care what your wallet, body, neighbor, or job says.  You are about to overrule them all. I\'m talking about overruling natural facts with supernatural truth, and Christ made it possible! &quot; 
 
This is because faith takes hold of a promise of God, and brings from the spirit realm into the natural realm. When you walk by faith, consistently, the natural comes into line with the spiritual. 

&quot;For with God nothing shall be impossible.&quot; (Luke 1:37)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2225', '353a5d1b3d', '', 'Came across this today, which gives more detail:

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.....The information we need is to be found, not in the translators\' &quot;The Epistle Dedicatory&quot; or their &quot;The Translators to the Reader,&quot; but in the &quot;Rules to be Observed in the Translation of the Bible.&quot; These general rules, fifteen in number, were advanced for the guidance of the translators. The first and fourteenth, because they directly relate to the subject at hand, are here given in full: &quot;1. The ordinary Bible read in the Church, commonly called the Bishops Bible, to be followed, and as little altered as the Truth of the original will permit.&quot; &quot;14. These translations to be used when they agree better with the Text than the Bishops Bible: Tindoll\'s, Matthews, Coverdale\'s, Whitchurch\'s, Geneva.&quot;

And thus we have our answer. The seven English versions that make the English Bibles up to and including the Authorized Version fit the description in Psalm 12:6 of the words of the Lord being &quot;purified seven times&quot; are Tyndale\'s, Matthew\'s, Coverdale\'s, the Great Bible (printed by Whitechurch), the Geneva Bible, the Bishops\' Bible, and the King James Bible.

The Wycliffe, Taverner, and Douay-Rheims Bibles, whatever merits any of them may have, are not part of the purified line God &quot;authorized,&quot; of which the King James Authorized Version is God\'s last one -- purified seven times.

http://www.vancepublications.com/');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2226', '540392a911', '', 'That is correct. I go into detail about this in the draft of my book.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2227', 'da721ccc2c', 'KJB Only and Church Unity', '&quot;Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!&quot; (Psalm 133:1).

The Australian churches must be addressed. There is widespread apathy about the preaching of God\'s Word, its purity, its teachings and doctrines, and how to approach those without Christ. Where is the spiritual nourishment? Where is the good doctrine?

[b:da721ccc2c]Modern versions have decimated good doctrine.[/b:da721ccc2c] I have talked with many people now over the decades and it has become very evident that ignorance of the Bible is rife.

Yet, the solution is easy: bow the knee to the God who has given His words in simplicity and purity, repent of taking the path of conformity to the world in wanting &quot;a bible that suits me&quot;, then the preaching will be clear and the doctrine will be learned and adhered to.

Where are the good ministers?

&quot;If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.&quot; (1 Timothy 4:6).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2228', '770c0ddc93', 'The Protector, 29 January 2012', '[img:770c0ddc93]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:770c0ddc93]

[color=red:770c0ddc93]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:770c0ddc93]

WELCOME! [i:770c0ddc93]The Protector[/i:770c0ddc93] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:770c0ddc93][color=darkblue:770c0ddc93]EDITORIAL[/color:770c0ddc93][/size:770c0ddc93]

THE MASTERMIND ATTACK ON THE NATION

Who is bolstering up the attack on our nation? Australian Jesuit publication “Eureka Street” has an editorial “Time to change our racist constitution”. http://www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=29699

Let us turn to the Scripture, which warns us, “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron” (1 Timothy 4:1, 2).

The fact that only “some shall depart from the faith” gives us great hope that the kinds of ideas as spread about by the unpatriotic Jesuits do not have great influence in our nation.

The Catholics praise “the prior occupation of Australia by Aboriginal[s] ... and acknowledging their continuing relationship with their traditional lands and waters, and their cultures, languages and heritage.” This smacks of “Speaking lies in hypocrisy”, since we all know that Jesuits do not really care about “their cultures” except that they must be brought under Rome. (After all, Catholics, popes and Romanisers were eager to claim these lands for themselves, and have only recently manufactured this emotional weapon of “the prior occupation of Australia by Aboriginal[s].”)

It seems that the real agenda here is to use Aboriginal issues (which seem largely whipped up) as a pretext for deleting any semblance of Protestant, Biblical culture in our law and constitution. Currently, Catholics and Aboriginal tribalists can freely practice their religions. But Australians must be very glad that Catholics today cannot torture or kill others, and that Aboriginal violence and reprehensible practices are curtailed.

Eroding our proper history and our Protestant framework is an evil work which cannot be allowed. In the persisting peace we hope to turn every Catholic and every Aboriginal to our common faith, “But godliness with contentment is great gain.” (1 Timothy 6:6).

[size=18:770c0ddc93][color=darkblue:770c0ddc93]NEWS[/color:770c0ddc93][/size:770c0ddc93]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:770c0ddc93]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:770c0ddc93]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:770c0ddc93][color=darkblue:770c0ddc93]DIRECTORY[/color:770c0ddc93][/size:770c0ddc93]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2222', 'e37050c44d', 'Real reasons for attacking the Bible', 'Why do people REALLY want to change the King James Bible?

&quot;For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.&quot; (John 3:20, 21).

Running to the Greek &amp; criticising the King James Bible is REALLY about justifying sin. Here\'s a classic example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlQkUOPQCFk

I think this gentleman made his video because I debated him in the comments here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G14l6QTyMOg');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2223', 'b0f9fcc0aa', 'Correct', '[quote:b0f9fcc0aa]Running to the Greek &amp; criticising the King James Bible is REALLY about justifying sin.[/quote:b0f9fcc0aa]
Absolutely correct and it is illustrative of the following: &quot;For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.&quot; (1 Samuel 15:23a).
[quote:b0f9fcc0aa]this gentleman[/quote:b0f9fcc0aa]
You are being too kind.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2224', '44c666f76a', 'The Protector, 22 January 2012', '[img:44c666f76a]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:44c666f76a]

[color=red:44c666f76a]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:44c666f76a]

WELCOME! [i:44c666f76a]The Protector[/i:44c666f76a] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:44c666f76a][color=darkblue:44c666f76a]EDITORIAL[/color:44c666f76a][/size:44c666f76a]

BEING HONEST AND SPIRITUAL

“Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.” (Romans 12:17).

Very often, those people who argue vehemently against the King James Bible — people who claim to be Christians — will make false accusations against those who support the King James Bible.

While some comments stem from ignorance and are mild deceptions, like the claims that the King James Bible is “archaic”, etc., there are those who make all sorts of absurd claims. One of the most common ones is, “You are saying the King James Bible was made by inspiration.”

This of course is entirely false and wrong. We say that the King James Bible was made by a process of translation, not by an inspiration that took place from 1604–1611.

The more desperate accusations include, “You are putting a stumblingblock in front of new Christians by forcing them to use the old English.”

There are many things to refute that claim, but two important things are: 1. the Holy Ghost brings understanding, and 2. the English of the King James Bible is not alien. “But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” (1 John 2:27)

[size=18:44c666f76a][color=darkblue:44c666f76a]NEWS[/color:44c666f76a][/size:44c666f76a]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:44c666f76a]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:44c666f76a]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:44c666f76a][color=darkblue:44c666f76a]DIRECTORY[/color:44c666f76a][/size:44c666f76a]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2221', 'd29765e041', 'The Protector, 15 January 2012', '[img:d29765e041]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:d29765e041]

[color=red:d29765e041]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:d29765e041]

WELCOME! [i:d29765e041]The Protector[/i:d29765e041] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:d29765e041][color=darkblue:d29765e041]EDITORIAL[/color:d29765e041][/size:d29765e041]

THE PERFECTION OF THE KING JAMES BIBLE

The Bible demonstrates the power of God in history. It lays out His aims and the spiritual laws which govern existence.

The law of sowing and reaping says that what God sowed into the Earth must therefore come to full harvest (Gal. 6:7). If God has sown His perfect Word perfectly, that is to say, that the inspiration of the Scripture was inerrant and infallible, it follows that God should reap at the end of history the proliferation of the same. “The Lord gave the word: great was the company of those that published it.” (Psalm 68:11). Before and at the return of Christ, where and what is the known body or entity of Scripture which specifically exhibits the perfection of the original autographs? It is consistent to argue for the King James Bible, in line with increased global English usage.

There is a statement in Luke 23:11 where Jesus says, “He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.” This is the law of scattering and gathering. What it means is that whatever occurred to scatter the Scripture, that is, both in its quality and in its dissemination, should be effectively overcome by the work of God in history, so that despite persecution, human errors, corruption, etc., the very words of God that were present in the individual original inspired documents should not actually be lost in history, but recovered providentially so that in the last days, there would be one perfect Bible.

The work of God is true, despite the carnal reasoning of men. Men, in their observance of the temporal (2 Cor. 4:18), say that there are only incomplete copies, imperfections in copying, unknown issues in textual construction, variations in translation, etc. However, this human reasoning is not in line with the Scripture. “ ... for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God ... ” That is, those who assess their own futures by a wrong understanding of the past shall never see the properties of the Word of God as they really are, that is, that the written Scripture is not merely mundane, but full of power and directed by the purpose of God. “He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.” (Deut. 32:4).

Taking this into consideration, all the verses which speak of the perfection, presence and unfailing nature of the Scripture must be able to not only generally apply the King James Bible, but point more specifically to it as the ultimate earthly fulfilment of God’s promises.

[size=18:d29765e041][color=darkblue:d29765e041]NEWS[/color:d29765e041][/size:d29765e041]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:d29765e041]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:d29765e041]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

The latest draft of the book, “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition”, has been released on www.bibleprotector.com — this book shows that the King James Bible, for all the work by printers and editors, is completely accurate today, and that there is a standard edition.

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Nationalism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:d29765e041][color=darkblue:d29765e041]DIRECTORY[/color:d29765e041][/size:d29765e041]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2239', 'd3a45c485e', 'Considerations', 'Two things I say concerning the LCPB:

1. I would hate to be in their shoes when they appear before the Lord and justify why they changed His holy Word.

2. They have shown that they have not got the spiritual discernment to be PCE guardians - in fact, they have taken the easy way of not even looking at the received tradition and deciding to go the way of the wisdom of men.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2240', 'b0a133fb33', 'Re: LCBP declares war on the PCE', '[color=darkblue:b0a133fb33]Hi Folks,[/color:b0a133fb33]

[quote:b0a133fb33=\"bibleprotector\"]3. The contextual, structural and interpretive reasonings indicate that lower case “spirit” there is correct.[/quote:b0a133fb33] 
[color=darkblue:b0a133fb33]This is 100% true.  There are many fine interpretations of 1 John that only work with the proper lower-case spirit, and many attacks on the authenticity of the verse that work with the wrong idea that the words in verse 7 and 8 are the same. They will say that there is repetition, or only 5 witnesses, stuff like that.

Shalom,
Steven[/color:b0a133fb33]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2241', 'c259a2b04b', 'Thomas Burgess--&gt; Theod. Beza on verse-spirit distinction', '[color=darkblue:c259a2b04b]Hi Folks,

Here is an example of the distinction being discussed, from Theodore Beza, referenced by Thomas Burgess:[/color:c259a2b04b]
[color=darkred:c259a2b04b]
Remarks on the general tenour of the New Testament, regarding the nature and dignity of Jesus Christ (1832)
http://books.google.com/books?pg=PR10

Again, Mr. Porson asks, &quot;Why is the &quot;epithet [holy,]&quot; after being twice omitted, added [to Spirit] in the seventh verse? Beza says, &quot;In order to distinguish one Spirit from the other,[i:c259a2b04b] ut ab eo distinguatur cujus fit mentio in sequenti versu[/i:c259a2b04b]&quot;[/color:c259a2b04b]

[color=darkblue:c259a2b04b]Shalom,
Steven[/color:c259a2b04b]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2242', '18a71f9102', 'The Protector, 12 February 2012', '[img:18a71f9102]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:18a71f9102]

[color=red:18a71f9102]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:18a71f9102]

WELCOME! [i:18a71f9102]The Protector[/i:18a71f9102] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:18a71f9102][color=darkblue:18a71f9102]EDITORIAL[/color:18a71f9102][/size:18a71f9102]

PREPARATIONS FOR WITNESS

“And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.” (Daniel 12:3).

When the Gospel came to nations or tribes in the earliest years, it seemed as if it was able to make great inroads, despite hardships, or persecutions, or the unsophisticated transportation and communication technologies in those days.

The Gospel in Ireland was preached in their own tongue, and yet the Word was in Latin Bibles with people who did not speak Latin as their first language. Ireland was a savage land, but the Gospel changed those people for a time.

One faith preacher once said that taking out full advertisements in the newspaper and having “polish” was not the solution. We live in a time where it is easy to travel and easy to communicate infinite information over vast distances very quickly. (It takes a few seconds to download the whole Bible.) That faith preacher pointed out that intercessory prayer was the way to tap into the unseen realm. The prayer would open up the environment for the preaching. And it is preaching of the word itself which brings results. It is not just prayer, or just millions of dollars.

“But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” (Daniel 12:4).

Just because we have information available does not mean that we actually have knowledge. Many people today do not have the knowledge of the truth, even though it is very accessible. The problem is not some satanic conspiracy holding back the Gospel. The problem is that there is a lack of faith with most believers. In all honesty, the Christians who say they believe in God’s ability to do things today seem to have quite a low amount of actual testimonies. The problem is not God’s power — miracles have not ceased —— the problem is with many in the Church. However, it is not a problem that can persist, because:

1. “That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church” (Eph. 5:26, 27a).

2. “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.” (Rev. 3:16).

We expect there are right people whom God has preserved and is raising up, so that they do receive and take hold of the truth with has been kept FOR us. “And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.” (Daniel 12:9).

[size=18:18a71f9102][color=darkblue:18a71f9102]NEWS[/color:18a71f9102][/size:18a71f9102]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:18a71f9102]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:18a71f9102]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:18a71f9102][color=darkblue:18a71f9102]DIRECTORY[/color:18a71f9102][/size:18a71f9102]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2243', '4c60378022', '', 'http://books.google.com.au/books?id=m6sGAAAAQAAJ&amp;pg=PA34#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false etc.

In the following pages, the quote of the King James Bible is both given as &quot;Spirit&quot; and as &quot;spirit&quot; in the passage 1 John 5:8, but the explanations given by various sources show that there is a distinction in meaning between the Holy Ghost of verse 7 and the spirit of verse 8.

The issue is not a Trinitarian one nor a Pentecostal one. The issue is that the Scripture itself shows the usage &quot;spirit&quot; means the Spirit of God and His work in believers in other passages, and rightly so in this passage also. Those who say &quot;Spirit&quot; do so out of ASSUMPTION more than anything else.

The person who thinks that when &quot;spirit&quot; is mentioned in relation to God, that is must be with a capital &quot;S&quot;, is probably not be aware of the proper use of &quot;spirit&quot; in various passages throughout the King James Bible.

(And present day printed Cambridge Bibles do say &quot;Spirit&quot; there, but there are strong reasons why this should be questioned, including that fact that most Cambridge Bibles for years has &quot;spirit&quot;.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2244', 'eb67a2c747', 'lower case spirit is correct, upper case is simply wrong', '[color=darkblue:eb67a2c747]Hi Folks,[/color:eb67a2c747]

[quote:eb67a2c747=\"bibleprotector\"]The issue is not a Trinitarian one nor a Pentecostal one. The issue is that the Scripture itself shows the usage &quot;spirit&quot; means the Spirit of God and His work in believers in other passages, and rightly so in this passage also. [/quote:eb67a2c747] [color=darkblue:eb67a2c747]
I agree here, however I would add that there are interpretations of verse 8 that have this verse, and sister verses, in view as well:[/color:eb67a2c747]

[color=indigo:eb67a2c747]Luke 23:46 
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, 
he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: 
and having said thus, he gave up the ghost[/color:eb67a2c747].

[color=darkblue:eb67a2c747]And if those interpretations are sensible (I believe they are, without insisting they are correct) that is an additional reason why spirit must be lower case. In addition to the lower case usage of spirit and his work in believers.  Either way, the lower case is proper, the upper case is simply wrong.

Of all the PCE tests, I view this one as the most doctrinally significant, even though there is only one letter involved.

Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:eb67a2c747]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2245', '1285673d83', '', 'Yes, it is doctrinally significant.

There are a few interpretations on verse 8,

1. That the &quot;spirit&quot; means the born again human spirit birthed of God.

2. That the &quot;spirit&quot; means the knowledge of the witness of being saved in the born again believer.

3. That the &quot;spirit&quot; means the outworking of the Spirit of God.

4. That the &quot;spirit&quot; refers to the spirit of Jesus, either generally or specifically his own spirit which departed His body at crucifixion.

I tend to think that meaning four is not the most apt.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2246', '8e708b133d', '', 'Last year I posted here singing the praises of LCBP. I have since been forced to change my opinion.

My original purchase from them was most excellent in that if was super quality for a very low price. In addition the Bible I got from LCBP was PCE to the max.

Subsequent purchases have both been returned to them due to serious problems with the Bibles (i.e. pages stuck together).

I must say that they promptly refunded my money (including shipping costs), but I remain disappointed. I thought I\'d found a good publisher who sold PCE Bibles of high quality at great prices.

Now I see here that they\'ve dumped the PCE.

\'tis a shame, indeed.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2247', 'c35723a7f3', 'Re: Cambridge Concord', '[quote:c35723a7f3=\"AnglerJake\"]I know it is not PCE - but I have not found a red letter PCE.  I was thinking perhaps the concord was very close?  Thanks all.[/quote:c35723a7f3]

Last year I purchased a Cambridge Cameo Edition that was both red letter and PCE. I\'ve been told by others that it must have been some kind of aboration that somehow slipped through the cracks as Cambridge no longer publishes a PCE Bible.

Purchase was from Evangelicalbibles.com
http://evangelicalbible.com/');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2248', '3786cdc76b', '', 'This may be off topic, but I personally have grown to hate reference Bibles.
Too many times I find the printed references have a particular theological slant to them. I also have a hard time reading the fine print many publishers use for their center column references. It sucks getting old, but beats the alternative!

The Bible I recieved after accepting the Lord when I was a teenager (1970s) had no references. Being new to the scriptures I began to find places where similar subject matter was discussed throught the Bible. I began to underline or highlight them and make what I latter learned were chain references. Its funny how a babe in Christ who knows nothing about the Bible can accidentally stumble onto something like that.

Anyway, forty years later (Dang! Am I THAT old?) I perfected my cross reference system and finally got it down as a computer document. I\'ve printed a few and shared them with friends. They tell me that I link many verses that they never considered as having anything to do with each other. So far no one has pointed out what they thought were mistakes.

Maybe I\'ll publish it some day (yeah - like someone else would even be interested in my hobby/obsession).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2249', '9e61399f94', '', 'I usually turn to the Defined King James Bible for those &quot;hard&quot; words. The only problem with the DFKJB is they went a little overboard and defined words that do not require defining (in my opinion).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2250', '874a8f99ee', '', 'Thank you! Perhaps I will order one.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2251', 'afbfdb8467', '', 'I have a few resources for difficult words in the KJB that I have found to be consistently helpful.

1.  \'Archaic Words and the Authorized Version\' by Laurence M. Vance.  This is the resource I have found to be most helpful.  The main part of the work is a dictionary style listing of words that an average reader might not know or misunderstand.  Vance gives information about the word\'s overall usage in the KJB, defines the meaning, and illuminates its function.  Part of the purpose of the book is polemical in the sense that Vance also shows how other English Bibles Versions handle this word, the substitutions the new versions use; information like that.

2.  \'Shakespeare\'s Words: A Glossary &amp; Language Companion\' by David and Ben Crystal.  This is a dictionary listing of many words used by Shakespeare that have fallen into disuse or have changed their meaning.  I have found that looking up a difficult word in the KJB in this glossary of Shakespeare often assists me in understanding the meaning in the KJB.  Not every difficult word in the KJB is found in Shakespeare, but a lot of them are.  The KJB translators and Shakespeare were contemporaries and I have found Shakespearean usage helpful.

3.  \'Shakespeare Lexicon and Quotation Dictionary\' by Alexander Schmidt.  This is older than the Crystal work and more complete.  Every single word Shakespeare used in listed.  In some ways this lexicon has too much information; I prefer the Crystal work because the overlap between the listings of Crystal and the KJB difficult words seems closer.  Still, I have found this lexicon to be of assistance and recommend it.

I think of items 2 and 3 as \'going to the English\'.  Instead of getting lost in the Greek and Hebrew, I have found it is more illuminating to broaden my understanding of how terms were used in the English of that time.

It might seem odd to go to a secular source like Shakespeare for KJB understanding.  It is true that the purposes of Shakespeare and the KJB translators differed.  Shakespeare strove for brilliance and his goal was entertainment.  The KJB translators wrote in a much more plain style and their purpose was to offer to the English speaking people the word of God.

So I am aware of the limitations in such an approach.  On the other hand, it is good to recall that Shakespeare was writing popular theater and his plays appealed to a broad spectum of society.  The theatres he used were designed to accomodate people from many different classes, including \'groundlings\' who watched the play from the cheapest area while standing.  My point here is that Shakespeare\'s usage likely reflects a broadly popular understanding of the words in question.  We tend today to think of theatre is an elite concern, but in the London of that day (no radio, no t.v., no internet) the theatre was hugely popular.  For these reasons I think the usage of words shared by Shakespeare and the KJB can be helpful.

I hope this is of some assistance.

Best wishes,

Jim');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2252', 'ae471aa5ee', 'Explained.', 'As Matthew has explained, the use of these resources should be used with caution, especially if there is the thinking that KJB words are archaic. Some list &quot;baptism&quot; as &quot;archaic&quot;, which shows that there is a distinct wrong way of looking at the subject.

Also, look at sermons related to KJB words on this site:
[b:ae471aa5ee]&quot;The use of the word \'ghost\' in the King James Bible&quot;
The use of the word &quot;JEHOVAH\' in the King James Bible&quot;
&quot;The use of the word \'dragon\' in the King James Bible&quot;
&quot;The use of the word \'sodomite\' in the King James Bible&quot;
&quot;The use of the word \'firmament\' in the King James Bible&quot;[/b:ae471aa5ee]

You could download these, copy them onto a CD and give them to enquirers if you like.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2253', '96a7a642a9', 'The Protector, 19 February 2012', '[img:96a7a642a9]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:96a7a642a9]

[color=red:96a7a642a9]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:96a7a642a9]

WELCOME! [i:96a7a642a9]The Protector[/i:96a7a642a9] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:96a7a642a9][color=darkblue:96a7a642a9]EDITORIAL[/color:96a7a642a9][/size:96a7a642a9]

WHY DID GOD’S GUIDANCE IN THE MAKING OF THE KJB NOT KEEP THE PRINTERS FROM MAKING ERRORS?

The progress of the Gospel is one of coming to perfection. This means that through history, the scattered Word of God came together.

We hold that the translators of the King James Bible got their textual and translational choices right, but this would have been impossible had there not been years of work beforehand. God’s operation in history is for gradual and progressive fulfilment.

The Christian walk itself is one of growth, “Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.” (Heb. 13:21). Or, “But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.” (James 1:4).

Time is need to test and refine. God’s work is based on the seedtime and harvest law, a spiritual law which is active throughout the universe.

After years of printing and careful editing in the King James Bible, we have now got perfectly presented copies of the King James Bible ... without even ONE printing error.

[size=18:96a7a642a9][color=darkblue:96a7a642a9]NEWS[/color:96a7a642a9][/size:96a7a642a9]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:96a7a642a9]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:96a7a642a9]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:96a7a642a9][color=darkblue:96a7a642a9]DIRECTORY[/color:96a7a642a9][/size:96a7a642a9]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2254', '957a94569f', 'Editorial ...', 'http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=667&amp;highlight=

[quote:957a94569f]EDITORIAL

WHY DID GOD’S GUIDANCE IN THE MAKING OF THE KJB NOT KEEP THE PRINTERS FROM MAKING ERRORS?

The progress of the Gospel is one of coming to perfection. This means that through history, the scattered Word of God came together.[/quote:957a94569f]

Just a little confused here; is editorial stating that the perfect print copy of KJB has yet to be published, or that man is currently corrupting the perfect print copy?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2255', '121156f14c', '', 'This means that the King James Bible was absolutely the perfect text (i.e. version/set of readings) and translation in 1611.

The proper edition was arrived at in twentieth century, but due to possible human errors in printing, the absolutely correct standard of the Pure Cambridge Edition is now available in a digital electronic form on the Bible Protector website, which has been used by printers, online websites and Bible software as the bases of the absolutely correct form of the King James Bible.

Forces have corrupted/scattered the Bible from the beginning.

The corruption/scattering has not been enough to destroy, but has been overcome by gradual gathering.

The gradual gathering/refinement has been complete: the text and translation in English in 1611.

The same applies to printing errors and editing, so that the Pure Cambridge Edition was formed in the twentieth century, and in recent years has been presented fully free from human/accidental errata.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2256', '0e29e09f3d', '', '[quote:0e29e09f3d=\"bibleprotector\"]This means that the King James Bible was absolutely the perfect text (i.e. version/set of readings) and translation in 1611.[/quote:0e29e09f3d]
Thanks, got it; there are two things to keep in mind, the text and the presentation.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2257', '4e10351dad', '', 'Yes, I had my suspicions of them even from the start.
Now, I know why.
I always wondered why they were so aloof with the PCE info.
I sensed it before, even though they promote and have words to the effect of &quot;correct translation&quot;... and &quot;defending the King James Bible&quot; etc.
*******
PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:
1611AV King James Bible
Pure Cambridge Edition.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2258', '637ae9b5d0', '', 'To understand the book study the book.
This is how you understand the Author.
One does not go to other sources,even highly educated.
For this is mere falible oppinion.
*******
Look at how God uses a certain term. 
Such as &quot;Translation&quot;.
You will see that God is at odds against the highly educated.
They say black is white when God says black is NOT white and
only white can be white.
*******
Just as this word &quot;translated&quot; is at odds with all of the higher learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth class of folk.
These educated would make you believe in a lie.
That a translation can never be as good or better than the original.
But God\'s word shows very clearly that the translation is ALWAYS better than the original.
*******
Look at how the author uses the certain words.
Look at the first mention of the word, and you will ussually get the basic definition of that word right there including the second time that word is mentioned.
Here is one you can do for yourself.
It is a real blessing.
Do God\'s definition of the word &quot;ROCK&quot;.
God\'s word has its own built-in Bible dictionary.
Now that is stunning and very encouraging to know.
Personally, I recently got rid of all my hundreds of textbooks and stick only to God\'s word.
That was my own choice; I do not feel lacking because of this action, but empowered.
The confidence of knowing that God\'s word is really all I need, brings much needed peace and rest in my mind and heart.
*******
PeterAV
Every word of God is pure:');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2259', 'a6fc0f4757', '', 'I wanted to share a part of my day as it falls in line with your post.  As I was in prayer this morning, the Lord impressed upon me to stay in the Word. Afterward I didn’t turn on the TV and didn’t get on the internet and just read my bible this morning as I had the day off.  After some time, I was reading in 1 John and came to chapter 2 verse 27.  “But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”  That verse really jumped out at me and I began to think about what the Holy Spirit has been dealing with me lately and that is to follow what it says in Proverbs 3:5-6. “Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.  In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.”  I began to think about the various bible studies I have around the house that I have used and I looked into them and was surprised to find that they all quoted out of corrupted bibles, even one from 1935.  I wanted to list them to illustrate my point. 
•	Start For New Believers by Greg Laurie – NKJB
•	Oxford Companion to the Bible edited by Metzger and Coogan – NRSV
•	The Portable Seminary by Horton – Primarily NIV with some quotes from RSV, NKJV, KJV, MSG, NASB, NRSV, NEB.
•	Book of Hope by The Native American Fellowship – CEV
•	Egermeier’s Bible Story Book by Elsie Egermeier in 1935 uses 1901 ASRV

I appreciate all the valuable bible teachings that your website has available online and I have been making use of them but I know they can’t replace my time in the Word as it says in 2 Timothy 2:15.  I have been through some very trying times in a lot of different areas of my life of late but the Lord has been showing me that I need to trust in Him and not myself for the solution which is something I have typically done and made things worse because I didn’t fully grasp what it says in Proverbs 3:5-6.  Now I replace all my worry, fear and doubt and instead believe in Him for the victory over my circumstances while enjoying all the fruits of the Spirit.  Today, just reaffirmed my belief that I need to stay in the Word and the Holy Spirit will guide me into the truth.  

I posted this to illustrate that our time is valuable and sometimes in short supply with all the demands in our lives.  The time we do spend in bible study needs to be quality time and from now on I will be more careful to only use bible helps that quote for the KJB and especially the PCE version.  This I believe falls right in line with your post and I want consistency in my spiritual walk because it has been lacking.

So thankful that this website and forum was created as it has really helped me.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2260', '37a3283a9b', '', 'The Canadian TBS branch in Vancouver sold me a PCE.
It was the Family Bible; Product Code: 9CFR
ISBN: 0 907861 59 8');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2261', 'e5150d4eda', '', '[quote:e5150d4eda=\"bibleprotector\"]You are welcome to post any youtube links here.[/quote:e5150d4eda]
I have watched some of your videos, Matthew.
They are great sources of Bible truth.
Does your pastor have any videos out?
I would like to see his reflections as well.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2262', 'e9c841ad81', '', 'I am sure people would learn a lot by looking just at a Shakespeare dictionary, but we must remember that the language used in the Bible is &quot;Biblical English&quot; and not limited to the meanings or use understood in the writings of the Elizabethans.

The Bible\'s English finds its ultimate authority in understanding correctly the use shown of the Bible itself.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2263', '8f2cca283f', '', 'Good news Peter.

Thanks for watching the videos. I\'m sure Pastor Craig will have preaching and teaching videos in the future.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2264', '21be5ec37a', '', 'I often wondered about this topic in relation to John 6:21 where it talks about the disciples receiving Jesus into the ship after He walked on water and immediately the ship was at land.  To me that means now and surpasses physical barriers such as rowing through the water.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2265', '64bb7c30ef', '', 'I first posted on this board about a year ago after wondering onto this site from another site.  I found that I had a PCE KJB in my possession and had it for years but never really used it as I was using NKJV and NIV.  At the time, I was going to a bible church in my town and they were using corrupted versions of the bible.  This was a large very popular church in my area but not Pentecostal in nature.  I stopped going and stopped growing until recently the Lord\'s chastening brought me back home.  Many of the churches that I have attended over the years have not used the KJB as their foundation for teaching. Now I am very leary of churches that don\'t adhere to this belief.  I am trusting in the Lord to lead me into the right church home.  Wish I could attend VFC.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2266', '6318e5a3f7', 'KJB Only and Church Unity', '&quot;How is the gold become dim! [i:6318e5a3f7]how [/i:6318e5a3f7]is the most fine gold changed! the stones of the sanctuary are poured out in the top of every street.&quot; (Lamentations 4:1)

It can be asked how these things have come to pass. How has the wonderful King James Bible become so dim in the eyes of many people? The word &quot;dim&quot; refers to the presence of darkness that has taken over the eyes of many.

The &quot;most fine gold&quot; (see Psalm 12:6) has been changed into a parade of counterfeits. The word &quot;changed&quot; is very relevant for our times where many argue for their own &quot;bible&quot;, rather than accepting the fine gold Bible  that God has already supplied.

The sanctuary - the church - has thrown out the holy to be trampled in the streets. [b:6318e5a3f7]That which is holy is treated as common.[/b:6318e5a3f7] It is little wonder that the fear of the Lord is lacking.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2267', '3feafdb40a', '', 'Just received my Bible. Beautiful brown calfskin, red letter - meets 11 of the 12 tests.  1 John 5:8 is Spirit. I can change this and be very satisfied.  Really like the size and print.  I\'m happy.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2268', '88ccc4cbb3', 'the one verse weakness', '[color=darkblue:88ccc4cbb3]Hi Folks,[/color:88ccc4cbb3]

[quote:88ccc4cbb3=\"AnglerJake\"]Just received my Bible. Beautiful brown calfskin, red letter - meets 11 of the 12 tests.  1 John 5:8 is Spirit. I can change this and be very satisfied.  Really like the size and print.  I\'m happy.[/quote:88ccc4cbb3][color=darkblue:88ccc4cbb3]
Thanks It does seem that 1 John 5:8 is the weakest spot in some modern editions, the ones that otherwise can have a very pure text. 

And I believe that is because of superficial understandings of the verse and a desire to look really kewl by placing Spirit as caps, without really seeking out the historic text and interpretations (as we discussed on another thread).  So I agree that in some cases we may have to adjust the Bible text in that one verse.

Steven[/color:88ccc4cbb3]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2269', '753de7d183', '', '[quote:753de7d183=\"PeterAV\"]Yes, I had my suspicions of them even from the start.
Now, I know why.
I always wondered why they were so aloof with the PCE info.
I sensed it before, even though they promote and have words to the effect of &quot;correct translation&quot;... and &quot;defending the King James Bible&quot; etc.[/quote:753de7d183]

Now I see that they gone as far as attacking Matthew personally:
http://www.localchurchbiblepublishers.com/about/faq/

FAQ
Here is a list of our most frequently asked questions. If you do not find the question you are looking for please feel free to contact us and we will try to assist you in any way we can.
 
Bibles
What is the Pure Cambridge Edition (PCE) text or the 1900 edition Cambridge?

These are both the same text and they are also known as the Standard text. It is an out-of-print Cambridge text, determined to be ‘pure’ by [b:753de7d183]Mr. Verschuur, a young and ambitious Pentecostal man from Australia[/b:753de7d183]. His research is fairly exhaustive, and he is to be commended for it. But his conclusions, that the Cambridge text he uses is in all points superior to other Cambridge texts, cannot be defended, at every point. On these points he relies on his ‘Pentecostal’ experiences to defend them, as described in his book, &quot;Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible.&quot; For more information, please contact us.
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I guess they got tired of answering emails from folks who\'ve read the Bible Protector website. I was completely disappointed when I read the above on Local Church Bible Publishers\' FAQ.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2270', '79ba3a870f', 'Re: the one verse weakness', '[quote=&quot;Steven Avery&quot;  So I agree that in some cases we may have to adjust the Bible text in that one verse.Steven[/color][/quote]

Glad you like your Cameo.

I was incorrect in my earlier post and you were right with your correction. The Cameo is correct on 11 of 12, but misses the &quot;S&quot; in 1Jn5:8. I corrected my Cameo by use of a [i:79ba3a870f]Dymo LetraTag[/i:79ba3a870f] lable maker. I\'ve used it to correct all of my KJV Bibles. The font adjustments available on this model have allowed me to match the fonts almost exactly.

It\'s a shame that we have to spend our time and money correcting the text that the publishers should be printing correctly in the first place. I\'ve contacted Cambridge myself asking about this subject and haven\'t heard a word out of them as of yet. It seems that with the use of computers in modern printing it wouldn\'t be too much of a problem to fix these things.

I guess they just don\'t care.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2271', 'f6f6d6989c', 'Every point', '[quote:f6f6d6989c]On these points he relies on his ‘Pentecostal’ experiences to defend them[/quote:f6f6d6989c]

This is, of course, a fabrication. Matthew has proven every point without reliance on Pentecostalism.

In fact, most Pentecostals (without much investigation themselves) would say that &quot;Spirit&quot; is the way to go in 1 John 5:8.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2272', 'f16460d144', '', 'Cambridge themselves are sticking with their recent change of &quot;spirit&quot; to &quot;Spirit&quot; at 1 John 5:8, because their view is:

http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=415

1. They didn\'t really understand the whole issue.

2. They admit to changing their Bibles in 1985.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2273', 'd90c6fac4c', 'The Protector, 26 February 2012', '[img:d90c6fac4c]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:d90c6fac4c]

[color=red:d90c6fac4c]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:d90c6fac4c]

WELCOME! [i:d90c6fac4c]The Protector[/i:d90c6fac4c] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:d90c6fac4c][color=darkblue:d90c6fac4c]EDITORIAL[/color:d90c6fac4c][/size:d90c6fac4c]

CHURCH RESTITUTION

This week I recorded a simple series of teaching, talking about why God has good plans for the Church before the return of Christ. You can watch all four sessions on youtube, here is the first:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G1mbU9F_g8&amp;list=UUufzJTAGhj5aGLd2rTKAE7Q&amp;index=4&amp;feature=plcp[/url]

In the past few years, I have noticed that teaching materials from Pentecostals have been moving away from the established view of Christ’s pre-tribulation and pre-millennial coming for the saints. This denying of the translation of the saints (rapture) is dangerous, because with it comes another idea, people might start to think the kingdom of God should be established by force on the Earth.

There are, as we know, many seductive doctrines around. “These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.” (Jude verse 16).

There is a big difference between the flattery of false prophets and the teaching of Scripture. There are plenty of manipulators around, who will give all kinds of false words to carnal Christians, telling them how wonderful they are.

Church Restitution demands something very different. It demands sobriety and spiritual discipline. It demands that we actually remember the Word of God... after all, the entire list of blessings are conditional to observing Christ’s commandments.

Charity (love in action), having faith, doing the works of Christ — these are the traits to be linked with God’s prosperity and exaltation for the last days Christians. All the carnal ignorance associated with following the latest Christian circle “crazes” is irrelevant.

[size=18:d90c6fac4c][color=darkblue:d90c6fac4c]NEWS[/color:d90c6fac4c][/size:d90c6fac4c]

A youtube video teaching on historicist prophecy, the KJB in prophecy and the mystery of God.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:d90c6fac4c]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:d90c6fac4c]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:d90c6fac4c][color=darkblue:d90c6fac4c]DIRECTORY[/color:d90c6fac4c][/size:d90c6fac4c]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2274', '4d9d0420f9', 'Re: Bearing Precious Seed', '[quote:4d9d0420f9=\"GRD\"][quote:4d9d0420f9=\"PeterAV\"]Does anyone here have any King James Bibles from Bearing Precious Seed?[/quote:4d9d0420f9]
*******
Hi GRD!
I noticed you\'re from Kamloops, BC; I live in Northern Saskatchewan.
Are you aware of any place in your province that sells PCE\'s; I\'d like to contact them.[/quote:4d9d0420f9]
You could try the B.C. branch of the Trinitarian Bible Society. I bought their Family Bible product code 9CFR
ISBN: 0 907861 59 8
It is a PCE.
Hopefully they will have some on hand.
I lived in Delmas for a winter.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2275', '91faa7e794', 'The Protector, 4 March 2012', '[img:91faa7e794]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:91faa7e794]

[color=red:91faa7e794]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:91faa7e794]

WELCOME! [i:91faa7e794]The Protector[/i:91faa7e794] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:91faa7e794][color=darkblue:91faa7e794]EDITORIAL[/color:91faa7e794][/size:91faa7e794]

GOD’S VOICE IS PRESENT

“My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” (John 10:27).

When the Bible says “my sheep”, it means Christians who follow Christ as their leader.

When it says that we, the disciples of Christ, hear His voice, it means that we must discern His voice today. This does not just mean the voice of the Spirit, or our conscience, but it means knowing the voice of God, that is to say, the written words which are contained in Scripture.

What are the words of God today? There are so many variations on words and different versions. There are so many that say all kinds of things about the Bible, including that “No translation is perfect.”

If no translation is perfect and can be perfect, then we would be at a loss by the end of time to actually be able to heed God’s voice properly. Now, lots of people have followed Him and known His voice with imperfect translations, but for the fullness of the highest measure, it would not be by trying to find a perfect Greek or Hebrew Bible, but by receiving one common, proper, sound, enduring, perfect, accurate and pure English standard.

The implication, and really it is a prophecy, is that people will heed God in a new way as the one Bible is revealed. This is the King James Bible.

“That thy way may be known upon earth, thy saving health among all nations.” (Psalm 67:2).
“God shall bless us; and all the ends of the earth shall fear him.” (Psalm 67:7).

[size=18:91faa7e794][color=darkblue:91faa7e794]NEWS[/color:91faa7e794][/size:91faa7e794]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:91faa7e794]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:91faa7e794]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:91faa7e794][color=darkblue:91faa7e794]DIRECTORY[/color:91faa7e794][/size:91faa7e794]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2276', '1f3eebaa43', 'John 7:8-10 Did Jesus Lie? &amp; Is KJB only a cult?', 'John 7:8-10 Did Jesus Lie?

In the King James Bible we read: &quot;Go ye up unto this feast: I  go not YET unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come.  When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee.  But when his brethren were gone up, THEN went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.&quot;

The reading of &quot;not yet&quot; (oupw) is that found in the vast Majority of all Greek texts including P66, P75, Vaticanus, L,T, W, Delta and in some Old Latin copies and in the Syriac Peshitta, Harkelian, Palestinian and the Coptic Sahidic and Boharic ancient versions.

 The old NIVs of 1973, 1978 and 1984 also read this way saying: &quot;I am NOT YET going up to this Feast&quot;.  However now the 2011 has once again changed its underlying Greek texts and now has Jesus lying to His disciples by saying: &quot;You go to this festival. I AM NOT GOING up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come.&quot; 

The reading of &quot;NOT going&quot; is ouk as opposed to oupw, and is the reading found in the Sinaitic manuscript and D.  Even Westcott and Hort and the previous Nestle Aland critical texts (4th edition 1934) used to follow the Greek reading found in the King James Bible an in all Reformation bibles - &quot;not YET going&quot;, but later on the Nestle Aland, (21st and 27th  editions) and UBS  (United Bible Society - the Vatican/Evangelical “interconfessional text”) changed their minds and have now gone with the other reading that is not even the oldest reading, and the result is that  many of these new “Catholic versions” have Jesus LYING to His disciples by saying that He is NOT going to the Feast and then turning around and going to the Feast. 

See Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASBs are the new &quot;Catholic&quot; Vatican Versions here-

 http://brandplucked.webs.com/realcatholicbibles.htm

Also agreeing with the new NIV 2011 and having Jesus say that He is NOT going to the feast and then He goes to the feast, are all the Catholic versions like the Douay-Rheims, the St. Joseph New American Bible 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible of 1985, and the NASB, ASV, NET, RSV, NRSV, ESV.

 Bible translations that agree with the KJB reading that Jesus said He was NOT YET going, and then later on He DID go, are Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, Bishops\'s Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the NKJV 1982, the New Berkeley Version 1969, Youngs,  the Revised Version of 1885, Lamsa\'s translation of the Syriac Peshitta, the Holman Standard of 2003 and the brand new ISV (International Standard Version) as well as the Spanish Reina Valera 1569, 1909, 1995, -”yo no subo aún á esta fiesta”, the Portuguese Almeida - “eu não subo ainda a esta festa”, the French Martin and Ostervald -”pour moi, je n\'y monte pas encore,” the German Luther Bible -”Ich will noch nicht hinaufgehen auf dieses Fest” and the Italian Diodati 1649 and the New Diodati 1991 - “io non salgo ancora a questa festa” to name but a few.

 NIV 1973, 1978 and 1984 - &quot;You go up to the Feast. I am NOT YET going up to this Feast, because for me the right time has not yet come.&quot; Having said this, he stayed in Galilee.  However, after his brothers had left for the Feast, he went also, not publicly, but in secret.&quot;

NIV 2011 - &quot;You go to the festival. I AM NOT GOING up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come.&quot;  After he had said this, he stayed in Galilee. However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret.&quot;

Daniel Wallace\'s NET version has the Lord saying He is NOT going to the feast, and then going. But the thinking of such &quot;scholars&quot; is revealed in his own footnotes where he says: “Most mss (P66,75 B L T W 070 0105 0250 Ë1,13 Ï sa), including most of the better witnesses, have “not yet” here. Those with the reading &quot;not&quot; (ouk) are not as impressive ( D K 1241 al lat), but &quot;ouk&quot; is the more difficult reading here, especially because it stands in tension with v. 10.&quot;

So, in other words, because it absurdly makes our Lord Jesus a liar, it must be right!

Wilbur Pickering, who himself is not even a KJB onlyist, comments on this blunder: Serious Anomalies/Aberrations -John 7:8 oupw--P66,75,B,E,F,G,H,L,N,T,W,X,D,Q,Y 070, 0105, 0141, 0250, f1, 13, Byz, Lect, syr p, h, pal, co sa &quot;NOT YET&quot; ; ouk -- À, D, K, P, lat, syr s, c, co bo &quot;NOT&quot;.   Problem: Since Jesus did in fact go to the feast (and doubtless knew what He was going to do), the UBS text has the effect of ascribing a falsehood to Him.

Discussion: Since the UBS editors usually attach the highest value to P75 and B, isn\'t it strange that they reject them in this case? Here is Metzger\'s explanation: &quot;The reading [&quot;not yet&quot;] was introduced at an early date (it is attested by P66,75) in order to alleviate the inconsistency between ver. 8 and ver. 10&quot; (p. 216). So, they rejected P66,75 and B (as well as 99% of the MSS) because they preferred the &quot;inconsistency&quot;. NASB, RSV, NEB and TEV stay with the eclectic text here. (end of comments by Dr. Pickering.)

Also in just these three verses we see that the word “this” of THIS FEAST is omitted by Vaticanus but found in Sinaiticus, and the NASB and NIV both omit the word, while &quot;UNTO THEM&quot; is in the NASB and Vaticanus, but not in the NIV or Sinaiticus, and &quot;AS IT WERE&quot; is in Vaticanus and the NASB, but not in Sinaiticus or the NIV. This is the character of these two manuscripts and bible versions in a nutshell.

[u:1f3eebaa43][b:1f3eebaa43]Notes from the Internet[/b:1f3eebaa43][/u:1f3eebaa43] -

This interchange occured in March of 2011 at a Facebook club called The King James Bible Debate -

Al posts: &quot;One thing to consider if you might be involved with a cult - do they tenaciously teach something, as a very important doctrine, that is not taught in Scripture? For example:

Jesus is God (taught in Scripture) - okay!
Jesus died (taught in Scripture) - okay!
Jesus rose again (taught in Scripture) - okay!
Jesus is only a man (NOT taught in Scripture) - warning signs!
Mary is to be worshipped (NOT taught in Scripture) - warning signs!
The KJV is the only valid version (NOT taught in a single verse of Scripture since the KJV didn\'t even exist then) - warning signs!&quot;

Al, before you hypocritically and unreasonably attack the KJB position, you should apply the same rules to your own view and that of other bible agnostics like yourself. Where in any Bible in any language does it teach or even hint at what YOU guys believe?

Can you site chapter and verse for any of these?

1. &quot;Only the originals were inspired by God&quot;

2. &quot;The real words of God are found mixed up with thousands of variant readings in the surviving Greek manuscripts&quot;

3. &quot;No Bible is the perfect words of God; they all have errors in them.&quot;

4. &quot;All bible versions, no matter how contradictory and different they might be textually, are the infallible words of God.&quot;

Where do you find anything even remotely close to any of these things that you bible agnostic types continue to throw at us on a daily basis?

What we DO know from Scripture is that God has promised to preserve His words. He says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but His words shall not pass away. He also says The Scripture cannot be broken. The Bible also tells us that God is a God of truth and He cannot lie. If I find lies in a &quot;bible&quot; version, then I know this is not the true words of God. This would be things like teaching that the children of Israel DECEIVED God as the NASB, NET versions have it in Psalm 78:36. Or that Jesus Christ had &quot;origins&quot; as the NIV, RSV, ESV 2001 edition have it in Micah 5:2. Or that teach that Jesus lied in John 7:8-10 as the NASB, ESV and NIV 2011 teach.

Yet God tells us to search out and read &quot;the book of the LORD&quot; (Isaiah 34:16), so such a book must exist somewhere. It is NOT in the varied Hebrew texts; that is only part of a bible. It certainly is not in the thousands of variant readings in piles of manuscript scraps in Greek that few can read and that do not make up a Bible either.

Either God has acted in history to bring us &quot;the book of the LORD&quot; or He lied and is not to be trusted.

We King James Bible believers maintain that God did not lie but has kept His promises to preserve His words and He has done this in the end times masterpiece He provided and that has been mightily used as no other to bring the gospel to the nations, and is the ONLY Bible seriously believed by thousands throughout history and today to be the complete, inspired and 100% true words of God - the Authorized King James Holy Bible.

What have you guys to offer us in its place? The Vatican Versions that continue to change with each new edition and that NOBODY believes are the infallible words of God and that people actually read and study less and less. THAT is what you have to give us.

No thank you. I and many others will stick to our God honored and time tested King James Holy Bible.

Will Kinney

“If we would destroy the Christian religion, we must first of all destroy man’s belief in the Bible.”  Voltaire - ex French philosopher and former atheist.

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[color=red:9642743f99]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:9642743f99]

WELCOME! [i:9642743f99]The Protector[/i:9642743f99] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:9642743f99][color=darkblue:9642743f99]EDITORIAL[/color:9642743f99][/size:9642743f99]

THE TEMPLE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

Does the Jewish Temple need to be rebuilt at Jerusalem prior to the return of Christ? The answer from Scripture is that it does not need to be built. In fact, the focus onto such a project seems to be against the doctrines of Christianity, which says that salvation is through Christ, not through the teachings of the rabbis.

“Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.” (Ephesians 2:19-22).

The Temple in the New Testament is not a bricks and mortar building, but the Church.

That means that the enemy of God does not have to sit in a building at Jerusalem in order to fulfil this promise: “Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” (2 Thess. 2:4). And it makes sense that false Christianity is being warned of, just as Jesus said, “Take heed that no man deceive you.” (Matthew 24:4a).

[size=18:9642743f99][color=darkblue:9642743f99]NEWS[/color:9642743f99][/size:9642743f99]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:9642743f99]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:9642743f99]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:9642743f99][color=darkblue:9642743f99]DIRECTORY[/color:9642743f99][/size:9642743f99]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2278', 'c4f63b707d', 'KJB Only and Church Unity', 'It is a clear fact that the truth has no error.

Yet, many in churches today act as though error is okay in their &quot;bibles&quot; and that truth can be approximate (for instance, that their bible is suitable &quot;for them&quot;). This type of attitude is completely unbiblical.

The prophet Daniel wrote: &quot;I cam near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this.&quot; (Daniel 7:16).

Daniel would not have been satisfied with half truth or approximate truth. His attitude and desire was for the whole truth: &quot;Then [b:c4f63b707d]I would know [/b:c4f63b707d]the truth of ...&quot; (see Daniel 7:19a, emphasis added).

Will you be a truth seeker or one who settles for less? If you are to be a truth seeker, then nothing less than the King James Bible will satisfy your thirst for God\'s words.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2279', '7dfe7c94ab', 'More Concord differences', 'Someone sent me an email with the following differences between the PCE and the Cambridge Concord Edition. It may be that some are just typos in the Concord he used to check against.

Joshua 17:2 PCE is “Abiezer”, Concord is “Abi-ezer”
Joshua 17:11 PCE is “Endor”, Concord is “En-dor”
2 Samuel 23:27 PCE is “Abiezer”, Concord is “Abi-ezer”
2 Kings 19:37 PCE is “Esarhaddon”, Concord is “Esar-haddon”
1 Chronicles 7:18 PCE is “Abiezer”, Concord is “Abi-ezer”
1 Chronicles 27:12 PCE is “Abiezer”, Concord is “Abi-ezer”
Psalm 62:8 PCE is “times; ye people”, Concord is “times; [italic]ye[/italic] people”
Isaiah 36:2 PCE is “Rabshakeh”, Concord is “Rab-shakeh”
Isaiah 36:4 PCE is “Rabshakeh”, Concord is “Rab-shakeh”
Isaiah 36:11 PCE is “Rabshakeh”, Concord is “Rab-shakeh”
Isaiah 36:12 PCE is “Rabshakeh”, Concord is “Rab-shakeh”
Isaiah 36:13 PCE is “Rabshakeh”, Concord is “Rab-shakeh”
Isaiah 36:22 PCE is “Rabshakeh&quot;, while Concord is “Rab-shakeh”
Isaiah 37:4 PCE is “Rabshakeh”, Concord is “Rab-shakeh”
Isaiah 37:8 PCE is “Rabshakeh”, Concord is “Rab-shakeh”
Romans 13:8 PCE is “another: for”, Concord is “another; for”
1 Timothy 1:19 PCE is “shipwreck:”, Concord is “shipwreck;”

NOTE: I have put &quot;italic&quot; in longhand, not code.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2280', '56fe86593c', 'The Protector, 18 March 2012', '[img:56fe86593c]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:56fe86593c]

[color=red:56fe86593c]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:56fe86593c]

WELCOME! [i:56fe86593c]The Protector[/i:56fe86593c] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:56fe86593c][color=darkblue:56fe86593c]EDITORIAL[/color:56fe86593c][/size:56fe86593c]

RIGHTLY DIVIDING

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15).

The Bible needs to be studied, not just read piecemeal.

If you read the Bible through in order, you would find truths building up. People say there is a law of first mention, so when you first come on a word, there may be something particular about its usage at that place that will help you in later times in the Scripture.

However, the Bible is more complex than that. The Bible has something within it called the comparison or conference of Scripture with Scripture. That means that a word must be understood in light of what other passages say.

What is really interesting is that one use of a word can mean quite a different thing to what appears to be a similar passage elsewhere.

Furthermore, the Bible is full of repetition. Parts of the Bible are repeated in the Bible. Some books have repetitions in them, sometimes other books have the same story, and then there are quotes of the Old Testament in the New Testament, besides having four Gospels tell the same thing.

But as you compare the passages together, you will find words and sentences differing. You will find information in one passage not expressed in the other. This is exactly where you need to RIGHTLY DIVIDE. This spiritual law is so powerful, that just a very slight change of punctuation between two parallel places would be found to have some kind of significance.

“... they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” (Acts 17:11b).

[size=18:56fe86593c][color=darkblue:56fe86593c]NEWS[/color:56fe86593c][/size:56fe86593c]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:56fe86593c]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:56fe86593c]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:56fe86593c][color=darkblue:56fe86593c]DIRECTORY[/color:56fe86593c][/size:56fe86593c]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2281', 'a433e0f567', 'Re: More Concord differences', '[quote:a433e0f567=\"bibleprotector\"]Someone sent me an email with the following differences between the PCE and the Cambridge Concord Edition. It may be that some are just typos in the Concord he used to check against.

Joshua 17:2 PCE is “Abiezer”, Concord is “Abi-ezer”
Joshua 17:11 PCE is “Endor”, Concord is “En-dor”
2 Samuel 23:27 PCE is “Abiezer”, Concord is “Abi-ezer”
2 Kings 19:37 PCE is “Esarhaddon”, Concord is “Esar-haddon”
1 Chronicles 7:18 PCE is “Abiezer”, Concord is “Abi-ezer”
1 Chronicles 27:12 PCE is “Abiezer”, Concord is “Abi-ezer”
Psalm 62:8 PCE is “times; ye people”, Concord is “times; [italic]ye[/italic] people”
Isaiah 36:2 PCE is “Rabshakeh”, Concord is “Rab-shakeh”
Isaiah 36:4 PCE is “Rabshakeh”, Concord is “Rab-shakeh”
Isaiah 36:11 PCE is “Rabshakeh”, Concord is “Rab-shakeh”
Isaiah 36:12 PCE is “Rabshakeh”, Concord is “Rab-shakeh”
Isaiah 36:13 PCE is “Rabshakeh”, Concord is “Rab-shakeh”
Isaiah 36:22 PCE is “Rabshakeh “while CCE is “Rab-shakeh”
Isaiah 37:4 PCE is “Rabshakeh”, Concord is “Rab-shakeh”
Isaiah 37:8 PCE is “Rabshakeh”, Concord is “Rab-shakeh”
Romans 13:8 PCE is “another: for”, Concord is “another; for”
1 Timothy 1:19 PCE is “shipwreck:”, Concord is “shipwreck;”

NOTE: I have put &quot;italic&quot; in longhand, not code.[/quote:a433e0f567]

I have Concord 8vo, printed in Netherlands.
It has pronunciation marks, so I can\'t speak to the hyphenated words.
Ps 62:8 is same as PCE, \'ye\' is not in italic
Rom 13:8 and 1Tim 1:19 are not same as PCE

Apparently, there are various Concords?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2282', '112f40270b', '', 'There are variations in any single different printing or setting of the Bible. They only way to have identical books is to:

a. use the same printing plates (they wear out, and are not known to be perfect to begin with),
b. use one master computer file as the standard for printing/digital copying/online (now possible, the Bible Protector website, www.bibleprotector.com has an exact file without errata)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2283', 'd838db3df7', '', 'There were some differences between Larry Pierce’s electronic file and a printed Concord too. That is why those kinds of works could only get a 99.995 % accuracy. Logos software had been aiming for Scrivener or then Norton\'s text, but they then switched to the PCE for their King James Bible, see http://biblia.com');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2284', 'aef5708b92', 'Note', 'Logos Software calls the PCE the &quot;KJV 1900&quot;, so this differentiates from the other they have in their list.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2285', '4e3eb839a0', 'Signs and Wonders', 'I just wanted to share this experience with the members of this board.  I don\'t really understand it but am thankful to God it happened.  Many years ago when I was in my 20\'s before I was saved, I was in a dark place in my life and had many troubles.  I happened to be working at a college residence hall working the night shift.  One night around 2 AM, I was deeply troubled with how my life was going as I was addicted to drugs, alcohol and a way of life that was very sinful.  I went outside the building I was working in and began to pray earnestly with much emotion.  I broke down.  After I was done praying, I didn\'t feel any different and I thought to myself that God is not listening and I am wasting my time so I began to turn and go back to work.  This college was out in the countryside and there was a big field next to it that wasn\'t developed.  As I turned, I heard a noise that sounded like an animal noise way off in the distance.  It caught my attention but I didn\'t think too much of it and started to continue on my way.  It was at that time that a still small voice inside me told me to walk in the direction of the noise.  I did and walked for about 30 yards until I reached a road that surrounded the campus as I was on the edge of the campus.  Again that still small voice inside me told me to stop and look up.  I did and immediately a light from the sky came down.  I can only describe it as being as bright as a lightening bolt, straight as an arrow and I heard a very faint whooshing noise.  The light touched the ground about a mile or so away from me.  It was just there for an instant but the brightness was ingrained in my eyes much like a lightening strike would do.  I was initially shocked but after that shock wore off, I had a great peace come over me and I knew that God was listening and loved me enough to show me that sign.  That started my conversion experience which led me to a church that was Pentecostal in nature and I was saved and baptized in the Holy Spirit and began to speak in tongues.  During my early Christian life I used a New King James Bible thinking what many others have thought about it being easier to understand.  I regret that decision.  I have been to many churches and they all taught out of corrupted Bibles.  

To this day, I often think about that conversion experience because there were times years later when I would drift away from the Lord\'s calling because of my selfish desires which were contrary to God\'s plan and the devil would come in and tempt me and I would fall.  I did not live a victorious life during those times and ultimately I ended up yoking myself to an unbeliever which caused many more troubles.  I thought she converted during our courtship but after we married it was evident she did not and began to practice Native American spirituality.  After 20 years of marriage, my wife has filed for a divorce which I will not contest and she will be leaving the country so I will soon be a single parent of two teenagers, boy and a girl, who are not saved. The 20 years were not easy years and it took its toll on my health and hers and the rest of my family suffered as well.  

I have noticed that in the times of my life when I was practicing my faith, that the devil would really attack me at my weak points.  I see that now and have the whole armor of God to protect me but my greatest revelation is to put God first in ALL things which has been a struggle for me.  I see that now but for years I only put Him first in some things and kept my selfishness intact.

I have had other experiences that would be considered signs and wonders  but this one was the most significant.  I so desperately want to serve the Lord in whatever capacity that he has planned for me.  Currently, I work in a very secular job and am not happy doing what man has created to solve man\'s problems totally leaving God out of the plan.  We have so many plans that we create to help people but I know in my heart that what they need is Jesus.  I see so much suffering with families being torn apart by their addictions and dysfunctions.  Until He leads me in a different direction, I have been faithfully studying my King James Bible, praying, fasting and preparing myself for what comes next.  What that is, I don\'t know but I do know that I will go wherever He leads me.  I have been leaning on Proverbs Chapter 3 and especially verses 5 and 6.

I ask for the members of this board to keep my family and me in your prayers.  I have been praying for a church home which is Pentecostal in nature and believes in the King James Bible but that is hard to find in my area.  The last church I attended faithfully was using the corrupted versions and I ended up falling away. 

Thank you.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2286', 'f70377b7df', 'The Protector, 25 March 2012', '[img:f70377b7df]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:f70377b7df]

[color=red:f70377b7df]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:f70377b7df]

WELCOME! [i:f70377b7df]The Protector[/i:f70377b7df] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:f70377b7df][color=darkblue:f70377b7df]EDITORIAL[/color:f70377b7df][/size:f70377b7df]

CHANGES COMING FOR ISRAEL

We are told things in Bible prophecy. Not only were the Jews to return to their land, but they should come into a time of safety, which would also imply a seeming peace, and the ability to defend themselves. For all the things being said against the Jews and the nation of Israel, it seems that this fulfilment is very near at hand.

“Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?” (Ezekiel 38:14).

People would one day recognise why Israel was scattered, why it was regathered.

“And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword. According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them. Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name; After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.” (Ezekiel 39:23-26).

The result is that there would be a spiritual awakening.

“Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.” (Ezekiel 39:29).

[size=18:f70377b7df][color=darkblue:f70377b7df]NEWS[/color:f70377b7df][/size:f70377b7df]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:f70377b7df]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:f70377b7df]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:f70377b7df][color=darkblue:f70377b7df]DIRECTORY[/color:f70377b7df][/size:f70377b7df]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2287', '87a64cbe04', 'King James Bible Prophecy Conference', 'Audio recordings will soon be available for the 2012 King James Bible Prophecy Conference at Kanawha Two Mile Church, Edens Fork, Charleston, WV.

Audio recordings for previous year conferences are available at:

http://mpbiwv.com/KJBC.html');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2288', 'bdc301349e', 'One day', 'Perhaps one day they should invite Matthew as a guest speaker.

He is one of the most knowledgeable people I know not just on the KJB Only issue but also on historical Received Text matters leading to the PCE, as well as on the KJB in Bible prophecy.

Note also what he has shown here about the Word:
http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=395');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2289', '98edb35245', 'The Protector, 1 April 2012', '[img:98edb35245]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:98edb35245]

[color=red:98edb35245]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:98edb35245]

WELCOME! [i:98edb35245]The Protector[/i:98edb35245] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:98edb35245][color=darkblue:98edb35245]EDITORIAL[/color:98edb35245][/size:98edb35245]

MODERN VERSIONISTS REDEFINE LUCIFER

“How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” (Isaiah 14:12).

According to the Bible, the word Lucifer must be linked to the idea the “son of the morning”. The modern versions tend not have the word Lucifer, but speak of the “morning star” or “day star”.

The problem with their interpretative translation is that 2 Peter 1:19 calls Jesus and the Gospel the “day star”, it says, “We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts”.

The context and teaching of Isaiah is concerning Satan, who is called the “son of the morning”. That idea is distinct from saying that Jesus is figuratively the sun. The teaching must be that prior to his fall, Satan was a luminary being who gave praise in subjection to the Lord.

Modern version supporters are willing to go against the perfect wording of the King James Bible, and give grounds for the strange idea that either Lucifer is not bad after all, or that Jesus is Satan. No honest Christian should actually argue that, but a compromised Christian may try to argue for his modern versions that in fact both Satan and Jesus are called “morning star”, and that it simply depends on context what is being meant. The problem with that view is that the King James Bible never says that Satan is the morning star. It never says Satan is the sun or Venus. The terminology “son of the morning” is different to the New Testament terminology which describes Jesus. (Jesus is not called “son of the morning” either).

[size=18:98edb35245][color=darkblue:98edb35245]NEWS[/color:98edb35245][/size:98edb35245]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:98edb35245]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:98edb35245]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:98edb35245][color=darkblue:98edb35245]DIRECTORY[/color:98edb35245][/size:98edb35245]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2290', 'f844689827', 'Reliable PCE in print?', 'Are there any?  I\'ve given up the search at this point.

I believe that the Church should be the ones to preserve, publish, distribute, and defend the Holy Scriptures.  Local Church Bible Publishers is a good example of this.  Unfortunately, they seem opposed to the PCE.  From what I\'ve read, their bibles only differ in 1 John 5:8.  Is it unreasonable for this to bother me?

I could just find an older bible that conforms, or buy a new(collins, cambridge, allans, lcbp) and just mark it correctly.  But what about contending for the Faith?  What about Truth and my fellow man?  SHOULD WE TRUST HEATHEN PUBLISHERS(excluding lcbp) WITH THE WORD OF GOD?

I absolutely believe the KJB-PCE should be printed.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2291', 'be0b29d2f5', 'Re: prayer', 'You have been prayed for!

Also medidate on Proverbs 3:5, 6

&quot;Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.&quot; 

It\'s good that you said in your posts that you have been thinking on this Scripture. Each day, commit your way to the Lord - the Holy Ghost will guide you. He has the best interests of you and your family at heart.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2292', 'c1cd1be3cb', 'The Protector, 8 April 2012', '[img:c1cd1be3cb]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:c1cd1be3cb]

[color=red:c1cd1be3cb]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:c1cd1be3cb]

WELCOME! [i:c1cd1be3cb]The Protector[/i:c1cd1be3cb] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:c1cd1be3cb][color=darkblue:c1cd1be3cb]EDITORIAL[/color:c1cd1be3cb][/size:c1cd1be3cb]

PURE SCRIPTURE PRESENT ... AND FUTURE

“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalm 12:6, 7).

There are many important things to understand about these verses. But an important question is: Where are the words of the Lord? They have to be somewhere, because they are supposed to be read and known by believers.

“For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” (Romans 15:4).

What is really amazing is that the Bible prophesies that it should exist in the future:

“Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?” (Ezekiel 38:17).

If people are able to consult and know of upcoming events from the Bible, it follows that the actual Bible should be available to them. Since we are told that the Bible consists of pure words, then it logically follows that we should expect to have a pure word Bible before the Ezekiel 38 prophecy occurs.

And the good news is that we do have a pure Bible today, and this means we can expect that soon Ezekiel 38 will be fulfilled. The first step has already occurred with the Jews coming back to Palestine. The next step is for Israel to have safety and no walls, bars or gates. The current existence of a security fence separating the Jewish lands from the Palestinian lands must therefore come to some kind of resolution.

[size=18:c1cd1be3cb][color=darkblue:c1cd1be3cb]NEWS[/color:c1cd1be3cb][/size:c1cd1be3cb]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:c1cd1be3cb]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:c1cd1be3cb]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:c1cd1be3cb][color=darkblue:c1cd1be3cb]DIRECTORY[/color:c1cd1be3cb][/size:c1cd1be3cb]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2293', 'd02641934d', 'A Word Of Thanks', 'I would like to pass on my sincerest gratitude to the owners and members of this website and forum, who have led me to locate, purchase and now own a true King James Bible.

My path towards the King James Bible was not a revelation, but rather many many small events and realisations over a long period of time. I won\'t go into everything.

I have had a NWT in the house for a long time - given by my parents, but could never read it. Every time I felt God calling me to His Word,  I tried to read the NWT - but I had to put it down and stop. And every time I read Scripture online, I found myself first looking online for the different passages, but then also checking the NWT. I could see how corrupted and wrong the NWT really was, and why I never felt the presence of God within it\'s pages. Three days ago, I also realised the NWT doesn\'t even call itself a Bible! But rather refers to itself as a TRANSLATION of the Bible… interesting.

My longing for a Holy Bible has been a long one, which finally came to a head a few weeks ago. And in this moment, I just knew the King James Version was the ONLY true Bible.

Don\'t ask me how I knew this because I do not know, and I had no previous research into, or affiliation of the King James Bible whatsoever. But I knew.

Almost immediately after knowing I had to have ONLY a King James Bible, I also knew it had been corrupted. Don\'t ask me how I knew this, but it began two solid days of research into the King James Bible, and how and in what manner it had been corrupted, and by whom.

The NKJV wasn\'t considered for a second.
The attacks I found on the true King James Bible were not tolerated.

Which led me to Bible Protectors, as a link from a US website to download the PDF of the KJV. But I also knew I must hold the true Word in my hands.

I cannot express enough, my sincerest thanks to the people of Bible Protectors, both its administrators and its members for their guidance in delivering the true Word of God into our home for the first time. For without the wonderful people right here, I am sure I would still be lost and still searching for the true Word. Thank you.

My parents are not impressed, for they will never question what they are told by their hierarchy, but it matters not, for I know and truly believe I have the Word of God in my home for the first time, and have felt His presence for the first time as an adult.

And I know I stand asking God as my Father and with Christ as my Saviour to come into our lives, and have allowed Them into my life for the first time, and I am now learning to pray for the first time, and I hope with my heart that God will enter the lives of my family and grace us with His love. With this, I have made my first steps to God for the first time.

Our new PCE King James Bible arrived on Thursday, and as soon as my 8 year old son and I opened the package, a true happiness came over us instantly, and when we brought it into our home, the feeling that a presence of God had entered our home - overcame us both.

And I find I can now read the true Holy Bible with ease and happiness, and without hesitation, and have already finished reading my two favourite books, Genesis and Revelation.

I will spread the word wherever and whenever I can about this wonderful site, it\'s people and your works.

Steve');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2294', 'e33d2ac409', '', 'I just bought mine from Amazon, with guidance from Bible Protector.

ISBN-10: 000725976X
ISBN-13: 978-0007259762

It\'s printed in China, and is not the highest of quality, but overall it seems to be a good start to the KJV at a budget price. So for me... I\'m happy.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2295', 'a0ea941589', '', 'I am so glad there is a growing acknowledgment and a progressive learning of these good things.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2296', 'fae12e4376', 'Revelation 17:4 &quot;filthiness of her fornication&quot; -', 'Revelation 17:4 “and FILTHINESS of her fornication”

At one of the Facebook clubs called King James Version Only Discussion, a man who fancies himself to be quite the scholar who thinks “the Catholics are coming out with some really good bibles” and who himself does not believe that ANY Bible in ANY language IS or ever was the complete, inspired and 100% true words of God writes: 

“Erasmus put readings in HIS Greek text that are not found in ANY Greek mss any where of ANY type. In fact he even literally coined a few Greek vocabulary words that simply do not exist! For example in Revelation 17.4 &quot;akathartatos&quot; ... there is no such Greek word. It does not EXCEPT in Erasmus. He invented it.  In Acts 9.6 Erasmus Greek Text includes the reading taken straight out of the Vulgate: &quot;And he trembling and astonished said, Lord what wilt thou have me do?&quot; This reading exists in NO known Greek mss ... including ALL the Byzantine mss. Where did that reading come from? It came straight out of the Latin Vulgate and now appears - WITH NO GREEK SUPPORT AT ALL - in the King James VERSION. Facts are difficult things beloved.” Bobby Valentine

As for this bible agnostic’s completely erroneous and ignorant claims about Acts 9:6 you can see my article on these verses here-

http://brandplucked.webs.com/acts957hear720excee.htm

However in this short study I would like to focus on this man’s silly blunder and unfounded hubris when he emphatically states that Erasmus “coined” and  “invented” the Greek word akathartatos,- &#964;&#8134;&#962; &#7936;&#954;&#945;&#952;&#940;&#961;&#964;&#951;&#964;&#959;&#962; - which is translated as “filthiness” in the King James Bible and many others as well.

Bible agnostics who come up with silly claims like this almost always got them from some other guy who likewise posts laundry lists of alleged, fabricated, imagined and ultimately untrue “errors” in the King James Bible.  Do these Bible critics have any inspired and infallible Bible to replace our beloved King James Bible with?  You’ve got to be kidding. Of course they don’t. Each one of them, without exception, has NO infallible Bible to give you but has made his own mind and understanding his “final authority” subject to change at any moment and NOBODY agrees with any of them 100% of the time; not even other bible agnostics.  It’s a case of Every Man For Himself Bible Versionism gone to seed.

So, let’s take a closer look at this self styled scholar to see if there is indeed any truth at all to his statement that Erasmus coined and invented this particular Greek word.

Perhaps the guy who originally posted this alleged error (I’m sure it was not our bible agnostic friend over at the Facebook club) found this reference in Thayer’s Lexicon where this deity of Christ denying scholar writes concerning the word akathartnns  found in Revelation 17:4 saying: &#964;&#8134;&#962; &#7936;&#954;&#945;&#952;&#940;&#961;&#964;&#951;&#964;&#959;&#962; “not found elsewhere, and the true reading here is ta akatharta. - &#964;&#8048; &#7936;&#954;&#940;&#952;&#945;&#961;&#964;&#945;”

Well, what has happened is that Thayer was a Vatican Version critical text proponent, as is also our ‘esteemed scholar’ Bobby Valentine over at the Facebook club, and he was following the wrong text. In fact ever changing UBS - Nestle Aland Greek text is GRAMMATICALLY incorrect. The true text and proper Greek grammar should have both words following the words “full of” in the genitive case. You can see this in the Modern Greek translation of this verse which reads - &quot;&#951; &#960;&#959;&#964;&#951;&#961;&#953;&#959;&#957; &#947;&#949;&#956;&#959;&#957; &#946;&#948;&#949;&#955;&#965;&#947;&#956;&#945;&#964;&#969;&#957; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#945;&#954;&#945;&#952;&#945;&#961;&#963;&#953;&#945;&#962; &#964;&#951;&#962; &#960;&#959;&#961;&#957;&#949;&#953;&#945;&#962; &#945;&#965;&#964;&#951;&#962;&quot;, and you can see it in the written Greek texts of the Textus Receptus published by the Trinitarian Bible Society and the Greek text of Stephanus and Beza which read with two genitives following the words &quot;full of&quot;, which looks like this - &quot;&#947;&#949;&#956;&#959;&#957; &#946;&#948;&#949;&#955;&#965;&#947;&#956;&#945;&#964;&#969;&#957; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#945;&#954;&#945;&#952;&#945;&#961;&#964;&#951;&#964;&#959;&#962; &#960;&#959;&#961;&#957;&#949;&#953;&#945;&#962; &#945;&#965;&#964;&#951;&#962;,In the case of the Textus Receptus this is true and is grammatically correct. However the Critical text reads &quot;full of&quot; followed by a genitive and then has the grammatically incorrect accusative for &quot;filthiness&quot; (or, uncleanness)  instead of the proper genitive.  It looks like this: &quot;&#947;&#949;&#956;&#959;&#957; &#946;&#948;&#949;&#955;&#965;&#947;&#956;&#945;&#964;&#969;&#957; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#964;&#945; &#945;&#954;&#945;&#952;&#945;&#961;&#964;&#945; &#964;&#951;&#962; &#960;&#959;&#961;&#957;&#949;&#953;&#945;&#962; &#945;&#965;&#964;&#951;&#962;.  The critical text is grammatically incorrect but not the Textus Receptus followed by Erasmus, Stephanus 1550 nor Beza\'s printed Greek text of 1598.  All three of these printed texts read the correct &#945;&#954;&#945;&#952;&#945;&#961;&#964;&#951;&#964;&#959;&#962;.

Is this word a legitimate Greek word?  The evidence tells us overwhelmingly that it is.  In the textual apparatus of the 1550 Stephens printed Greek text of the New Testament he lists at the back of his book two words meaning &quot;filthiness, or uncleanness&quot;. One of them is Number 168 akathartes, and the other is Number 169 akathartos, and they appear to be two synonyms for the same thing.  We have many such synonyms in the English language. In both Analytical Lexicons of Wigram\'s and that of Wesley J. Perschbacher we read listed the Greek word found in the Textus Receptus that underlies the King James Bible and many other translations the Greek word &#945;&#954;&#945;&#952;&#945;&#961;&#964;&#951;&#964;&#959;&#962; and they both list it under Number 168 and tell us it is the genitive, singular feminine noun found in Revelation 17:4!  See The New Analytical Greek Lexicon, by Wesley J. Perschbacher editor, published by Hendrikson Publishers, Peabody, Massachusetts, copyright 1990. 

In addition to this we have several other Greek Lexicons that list this particular word as a real Greek word. The Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature by Bauer, Arndt and Gingrich, University of Chicago Press 1957 lists this akathartEs (Not the other Greek word, which is akathartOs) with the genitive form being &#945;&#954;&#945;&#952;&#945;&#961;&#964;&#951;&#964;&#959;&#962; and references Revelation 17:4. Then there is Vine\'s Expository Dictionary of New Testament words who tells us on page 1189 &quot;The A.V. follows the texts which have the noun akathartes - the filthiness.&quot; We also have Liddell and Scott\'s Greek-English Lexicon, 17th edition, published by Boston Ginn &amp; Company 1887. It also lists the word akathartes with the genitive being akathartetos as being a synonym for the similar word akathartos. This information is found on page 23. And finally we have the Modern Greek dictionary by D.C. Divry published in 1974 and on page 401 of the Greek section it lists this same Greek word akathartos as meaning dirty, filthy or unclean. 

The King James Bible, nor the Greek and Hebrew texts that underlie this magnificent Bible, are NOT in error. It is the only Bible believed by thousands of blood bought children of God today to be the inspired and 100% historically true and doctrinally pure words of the living God. Don\'t let the &quot;No bible is infallible&quot; crowd drag you down to the slippery bogs of their basic unbelief, but stand firm, strong and confident upon the Rock of God\'s infallible words as found in the Authorized King James Holy Bible.

 By His grace, believing The Book, and &quot;kept by the power of God through faith&quot; - 1 Peter 1:5

Will Kinney

Return to Articles - http://brandplucked.webs.com/articles.htm');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2297', '0f9fba7682', 'The Protector, 15 March 2012', '[img:0f9fba7682]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:0f9fba7682]

[color=red:0f9fba7682]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:0f9fba7682]

WELCOME! [i:0f9fba7682]The Protector[/i:0f9fba7682] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:0f9fba7682][color=darkblue:0f9fba7682]EDITORIAL[/color:0f9fba7682][/size:0f9fba7682]

ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

Christian missionary activities had been progressing so far that the Gospel was being preached to the Armenian people in the Ottoman Turk Empire. The Armenians were traditionally Eastern Orthodox, but were now being converted by European and American missionaries.

During the course of the First World War, the Turks took the opportunity to violently deal with the Arminian people, using all the methods which became the blueprint for the Nazi holocaust. This include death marches, concentration camps, gassing, etc.

The problem is that the Armenian Genocide has been almost unknown to many, even though it was perpetrated by a backwards Islamic power.

It has been interpreted by some, including Bishop Newton, that persecutors of this nature, as may be read in Daniel 11:44, “therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many” must come to their end. God judges and avenges all persecutors, “yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him” (Daniel 11:45).

Not only did the Ottoman Empire suffer a great defeat in World War One, but it also has been the subject of the prophecy in Revelation, where it reads, “And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.” (Revelation 16:12).

The last part of this prophecy being fulfilled would apply a super-Russian Empire, but that must “come to his end” and be “dried up”.

What serves as a great warning is that Ezekiel 38 mentions that the house of Togarmah would be part of the future Russian invasion, indicating that the Armenians would be on the side of their former persecutors.

[size=18:0f9fba7682][color=darkblue:0f9fba7682]NEWS[/color:0f9fba7682][/size:0f9fba7682]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:0f9fba7682]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:0f9fba7682]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:0f9fba7682][color=darkblue:0f9fba7682]DIRECTORY[/color:0f9fba7682][/size:0f9fba7682]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2298', 'fa659d4c24', 'KJB Only and Church Unity', '&quot;Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth&quot; (Ephesians 6:14a).

The word &quot;loins&quot; speaks of strength to stand. The truth enables us to stand. People fall because of error but stand because of truth. In the modern version apostasy many have fallen from the faith and many are severely weakened in any stand for the truth. Many cannot even recognise the truth of the King James Bible and claim fallaciously that it has errors (by the way, every so-called &quot;error&quot; has been answered thoroughly and easily).

There is a spiritual enemy that has been at work to hinder the progress of truth in the Earth. Christians would do well to recognise the area of attack. &quot;Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.&quot; (Ephesians 6:11).

Once again, how do we stand? By having our loins girt about with truth - &quot;Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.&quot; (John 17:17).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2299', '2326ac3757', 'Printing the PCE KJB', 'I\'ve thought about this a lot and now I\'d like to know what others think.  I have decided to print the PCE myself if I have to, if it means that the church will have a reliably pure Bible.  I just wonder what the demand is for paperback and hard cover bibles (leather is out of the question at this point)?  Do enough people care to make this cause worthwhile?  And if someone else is doing this, I\'d love to support the cause as best I can.

Otherwise, if anyone is interested, send me a message at [url]http://www.facebook.com/pureword[/url] and maybe we can get the ball rolling soon.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2300', '9676e9cc4d', 'Question on Exodus 2:14', 'I noticed a variation among KJBs in Exodus 2:14.  It is a matter of capitalization.  I have an Oxford University Press reissue of the 1611 and in this Oxford Edition the verse reads:

And he said, Who made thee a Prince and a judge over us? . . .

In an older Harper/Collins edition it reads:

And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? . . .

I believe the PCE follows the second, with the lower case \'prince\'.  David Norton\'s version also uses the lower case \'prince\'.  But I thought I would enquire since my copy of the 1611 has an upper case \'Prince\'.  If there are insights into the difference in meaning between the two, that would also be appreciated.

Thanks for your consideration.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2301', '409c63d057', '', 'I\'d be interested in seeing it published.  There are numerous Print On Demand services these days which greatly reduces the initial cost for such a project.  Most of them offer different formats such as hardback, paperback, and sizes differences as well.  lulu.com and createspace are two one could look into; and there are many others as well.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2302', '1096d337e9', '', 'Lots of nouns in 1611 are capitalised, like Angel, Temple and so on. The distinctions in the presentation as we now have them make the meaning clear where it wasn\'t in 1611. (No meaning actually changed, of course, but what it has now shows what was intended in 1611).

Of course, when &quot;Prince&quot; is capital in some places, it refers to Jesus.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2303', '60d9903ab5', 'Good', 'Good to hear.

There is nothing like having the wonderful assurance of God\'s words available in purity that you can have in your hands.

Don\'t let go of what you now know!

&quot;Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.&quot; (Hebrews 10:35).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2304', 'bc3aee56e3', 'The Protector, 22 April 2012', '[img:bc3aee56e3]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:bc3aee56e3]

[color=red:bc3aee56e3]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:bc3aee56e3]

WELCOME! [i:bc3aee56e3]The Protector[/i:bc3aee56e3] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:bc3aee56e3][color=darkblue:bc3aee56e3]EDITORIAL[/color:bc3aee56e3][/size:bc3aee56e3]

IRONCLAD PROMISES

The Bible makes a statement from the time of Ezekiel concerning the coming of a northern invading army to Israel (in the future).

“Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?” (Ezekiel 38:17).

The great thing about this prophecy is that it implies in the future, that is, in the time when this invasion is actually happening, that the existence of the Word of God, the Scriptures, is known. How else could the prophecy be stating that the many years ago prophecy is true? Ezekiel himself is one of the prophets which we now rightly state was of “old time”.

So the wonderful news is that our King James Bible does precisely have the words of Ezekiel today (see Romans 15:4).

At the same time, we can remember what Jesus said, “And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.” (Matthew 24:6).

Lately people have been reporting that Russian forces have been massing on the Iranian border, to allegedly help Iran if it is attacked. Rumours also abound concerning the status of Armenia (a Russian ally) and Georgia (a stumbling block to Russia).

We don’t need to be troubled... the real news was written long ago... it becomes irrelevant whether or not the current situation amounts to anything. The fact is that in the future, the prophecy will have to be fulfilled: the northerners and Iranians and others must advance on Israel.

[size=18:bc3aee56e3][color=darkblue:bc3aee56e3]NEWS[/color:bc3aee56e3][/size:bc3aee56e3]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:bc3aee56e3]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:bc3aee56e3]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:bc3aee56e3][color=darkblue:bc3aee56e3]DIRECTORY[/color:bc3aee56e3][/size:bc3aee56e3]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2305', '2142ff6a48', 'PCE', 'I purchased a PCE at bibletruthpublishers.com. 
Click Bibles, then click Collins. The first Bible listed- Collins Comfort Text Bible: TBS 1A #6973-61 (Features the &quot;Cambridge Pure Text&quot;) is a PCE. It only comes in a hardback cover; I bought two of them. 

I also tried ordering the KJV Black Leather Bible (Bible Kjv) by Collins UK (Leather Bound - Apr 7, 2008) , Publisher: HarperCollins UK (April 7, 2008)
ISBN-10: 000725976X, from Amazon.com, but unfortunately the one they sent me was NOT a PCE and I had to return it.

Does anybody know where I can find a Genuine Leather PCE? Thanks and God bless you all.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2306', 'b2291a04aa', '', 'Thank you for your words.

I cannot say with enough sincerity what it has been like to have this Bible in my home. It is always close, referenced almost every day, and I often find myself lost for hours in reading after simply going to look up a single verse. It has brought new meanings and understandings into my life, and is leading me to re-think many aspects of life.

I feel the deep truth of God in the pages of this Holy Bible, and I truly was drawn to seek out only the King James Bible those few weeks ago, and only the true version, of which I found here, and which is now bringing many small changes into my life, and a beginning of a relationship with God for myself and my son.

I also feel a trust with the people here, and hope I can ask some &quot;uneducated&quot; questions one day after I begin to gain a better understanding of God\'s Word.

Thank you again for your guidance of truth, your work is helping people to find the true Word of God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2307', '5cfb10d6d9', '', 'Here\'s the original list of Concord differences:

The Concord Edition differences are listed on this forum, such as, 

Genesis 24:57 — — enquire — — inquire (etc. etc.) 
These have a possible different meaning. 
Exodus 23:23 — — the Hivites — — and the Hivites 
This is an English textual issue. 
Numbers 6:5 — — razor — — rasor (etc. etc.) 
These are spelling differences. 
2 Samuel 18:29 — — Is the — — Is the (“Is” is in italics). 
This is an italics difference. 
Ezra 2:26 — — Gaba — — Geba 
This is a spelling difference. 
Ezra 6:4 — — expenses — — expences (etc.) 
These are spelling differences. 
Isaiah 9:6 — — Counsellor — — Counseller (etc. etc.) 
These are spelling differences, but here the name of God is changed. 
Jeremiah 32:5 — — prosper. — — prosper? 
This is improper grammar. 
Ezekiel 47:3 — — ankles — — ancles (etc.) 
These are spelling differences. 
Mark 2:1 — — Capernaum after — — Capernaum, after 
This is a grammatical point. 
Acts 11:12 — — Spirit — — spirit 
This is a doctrinal issue. 
Acts 11:28 — — Spirit — — spirit 
This is a doctrinal issue. 
Romans 4:18 — — nations, according — — nations; according 
This is a grammatical point. 
1 Corinthians 15:27 — — saith all — — saith, all 
This is improper grammar. 
1 John 5:8 — — Spirit — — spirit 
This is a doctrinal issue.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2308', 'eb8b62dfaa', 'Re: Book review.', '[color=darkblue:eb8b62dfaa]Hi,

Here is an interesting link about resources, some that can be added to what is here :[/color:eb8b62dfaa]

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Books by or about KJV translators
http://en.literaturabautista.com/books-or-about-kjv-translators[/color:eb8b62dfaa]
[color=darkblue:eb8b62dfaa]
The person who compiled, or at least posts, this seems to be Calvin George, whose own positions are problematic.  

However, looking at the sections is fascinating and generally very nice:

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[color=darkred:eb8b62dfaa](1) section[/color:eb8b62dfaa]
[color=darkblue:eb8b62dfaa]
Writings by the AV translators looks unique.  It looks to be about 150 books ! and I have never seen such a list in one place before.

To give an example, the book of sermons by Miles Smith published in 1632 would be fascinating to read in full. (That one I have made some effort to get hold up, or discuss with UK writers like Canon John Tiller, in the past.)  Similarly the books of Thomas Bilson have been online and have been helpful in the discussions, as has been a lot of Lancelot Andrewes material.  However in the 150 are many that are brand new to me, and the list as a whole gives a research point (e.g. Worldcat).

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[color=brown:eb8b62dfaa](2) section[/color:eb8b62dfaa][color=darkblue:eb8b62dfaa]

The 21 books about KJV translators include 13 that are emphasizing individual translators (and may have some rich material) some of which are new to me. The count goes like this:

Lancelot Andrewes (8), George Bancroft (2), Richard Bancroft, John Overall, Lawrence Chaderton.

This area above could use some careful checking for more. This was limited to the translator\'s name being in the title.

Of the remaining eight, seven are in the genre of general books about the development of the AV that are likely included above.

Alexander McClure - Translators Revived
John Henry Todd - An Authentic Account of our Authorized Translation
Ward Allen - Translating for King James
Olga Opfell - The King James Bible Translators
Gustavis Swift Paine - The Men Behind the King James Version
Alister McGrath - In the Beginning
Adam Nicholson - God\'s Secretaries

And one of special note:

In God\'s name: Examples of preaching in England from the Act of Supremacy to the Act of Uniformity, 1534-1662 - John Chandros (1971)  (contains sermons of several KJV translators)

Later are included seven book on the AV history (Butterworth in our list is the proper spelling)

New is :
Kenneth Conner - They Captured the Spirt (2007)

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[color=darkred:eb8b62dfaa](3) section[/color:eb8b62dfaa][color=darkblue:eb8b62dfaa]

17 Books are called &quot;Non-extreme books in defense of the KJV or the Textus Receptus&quot; and I will discuss these separately.

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Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:eb8b62dfaa]');
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2310', '6b0d86206f', 'The Protector. 29 April 2012', '[img:6b0d86206f]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:6b0d86206f]

[color=red:6b0d86206f]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:6b0d86206f]

WELCOME! [i:6b0d86206f]The Protector[/i:6b0d86206f] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:6b0d86206f][color=darkblue:6b0d86206f]EDITORIAL[/color:6b0d86206f][/size:6b0d86206f]

WHAT IS PSALM TWELVE REALLY ABOUT?

Psalm 12 is talking about a time where people are attacked by words. The solution is that God has promised to preserve His people, and to preserve His words. So why not rely upon them?

“The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” (Psalm 12:6, 7).

You can hear a sermon about it here. [color=darkred:6b0d86206f]Make sure you right click and “save target as”[/color:6b0d86206f]: [url]www.bibleprotector.com/24-4-2012_final_edition_mv.mp3[/url]

The following test is designed to identify the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible:

1. “or Sheba” not “and Sheba” in Joshua 19:2
2. “sin” not “sins” in 2 Chronicles 33:19
3. “Spirit of God” not “spirit of God” in Job 33:4
4. “whom ye” not “whom he” in Jeremiah 34:16
5. “Spirit of God” not “spirit of God” in Ezekiel 11:24
6. “flieth” not “fleeth” in Nahum 3:16
7. “Spirit” not “spirit” in Matthew 4:1
8. “further” not “farther” in Matthew 26:39
9. “bewrayeth” not “betrayeth” in Matthew 26:73
10. “Spirit” not “spirit” in Mark 1:12
11. “spirit” not “Spirit” in Acts 11:28
12. “spirit” not “Spirit” in 1 John 5:8

[size=18:6b0d86206f][color=darkblue:6b0d86206f]NEWS[/color:6b0d86206f][/size:6b0d86206f]

A sermon by Matthew Verschuur on the Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJB and Psalm 12.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/24-4-2012_final_edition_mv.mp3[/url]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:6b0d86206f]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:6b0d86206f]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:6b0d86206f][color=darkblue:6b0d86206f]DIRECTORY[/color:6b0d86206f][/size:6b0d86206f]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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&quot;Psalm 12 is talking about a time where people are attacked by words.&quot;
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[u:6256ab5499]Never noticed that before; thanks...[/u:6256ab5499]

Psa 12:1  To the chief Musician upon Sheminith, A Psalm of David.
HELP, LORD ; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men. 
Psa 12:2  They [b:6256ab5499]speak[/b:6256ab5499] vanity every one with his neighbour: with [b:6256ab5499]flattering lips[/b:6256ab5499] and with a double heart do they [b:6256ab5499]speak[/b:6256ab5499]. 
Psa 12:3  The LORD shall cut off all [b:6256ab5499]flattering lips[/b:6256ab5499], and the [b:6256ab5499]tongue[/b:6256ab5499] that [b:6256ab5499]speaketh[/b:6256ab5499] proud things: 
Psa 12:4  Who have said, [b:6256ab5499]With our tongue will we prevail[/b:6256ab5499]; [b:6256ab5499]our lips are our own[/b:6256ab5499]: who is lord over us? 
Psa 12:5  For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, [b:6256ab5499]now will I arise, saith the LORD[/b:6256ab5499] ; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him. 
Psa 12:6  [b:6256ab5499]The words of the LORD are pure words[/b:6256ab5499]: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 
Psa 12:7  [b:6256ab5499]Thou shalt keep them, O LORD[/b:6256ab5499] , thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. 
Psa 12:8  The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2312', 'de9b93a9e6', '', 'The chief attacks by words are as follows:

1. Modern versions, perversions of truth
2. Popes, Roman Catholic councils
3. Religious persecution against Bible believers by supposed brethren, false doctrines
4. False religions, non-Christian belief systems including New Age
5. Atheism, God-haters, mockers');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2313', 'a9ed03ed7f', 'The Protector, 6 May 2012', '[img:a9ed03ed7f]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:a9ed03ed7f]

[color=red:a9ed03ed7f]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:a9ed03ed7f]

WELCOME! [i:a9ed03ed7f]The Protector[/i:a9ed03ed7f] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:a9ed03ed7f][color=darkblue:a9ed03ed7f]EDITORIAL[/color:a9ed03ed7f][/size:a9ed03ed7f]

THE NEW TYRANNY

The Green religion had its first real political manifestation in Australia. There appears to be strong links in the Left philosophy, which pretends to talk about freedom, and the great prohibition that has descended on free speech.

People privately lament at the level to which it is difficult to speak against Islam, or homosexuality, or cultural depravity and so on, because of the fear of being branded and worse.

“Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.” (2 Timothy 4:2).

The Word of God may appear to be very unpopular. It may appear to be an out of season time for the Church. But the Bible says that Christians should reprove, rebuke and exhort.

Encouraging believers to stand for the faith and to speak the Word is good. But there are also sins and wrong ideas which have far advanced into churches which need to be reproved.

“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” (Ephesians 5:11).

When we hear of Bible versions which have been changed specifically to target (and appease) Muslims or homosexuals or environmentalists, we must do our Christian duty and reject such things.

A new kind of religion is being felt in the dead religious world, the Green religion. The most compromised of the mainstream Christian denominations have moved so far toward a Communistic Green viewpoint that they may be labelled as anti-Christian.

Any true Christians must make their stand, as the Bible says, “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” (Revelation 18:4). God has very real judgments against them.

[size=18:a9ed03ed7f][color=darkblue:a9ed03ed7f]NEWS[/color:a9ed03ed7f][/size:a9ed03ed7f]

A sermon by Matthew Verschuur on the Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJB and Psalm 12.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/24-4-2012_final_edition_mv.mp3[/url]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:a9ed03ed7f]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:a9ed03ed7f]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:a9ed03ed7f][color=darkblue:a9ed03ed7f]DIRECTORY[/color:a9ed03ed7f][/size:a9ed03ed7f]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2314', '98832247e1', 'Facebook Discussion with a Modern Version User', 'Facebook Discussion with a Modern Version User

Discussion with a typical modern version Christian from the Facebook club called The King James Bible Discussion.

This  Discussion took place on May 6th of 2012 at a Facebook club after a man names Stephen Joyner posted a series of articles criticizing the King James Bible and our position that it is the complete and infallible words of God.  I asked Mr. Joiner to please answer my question and he did.  I asked him if he personally believes there exists such a thing as a complete, inspired and 100% true Bible. He was kind enough to respond and I then responded to what he had said.  Here is our conversation:

http://www.facebook.com/groups/173339536119889/195049120615597/

Stephen Joyner writes - “ Will Kinney. As far as my position on where to find God’s word, I think you know the scripture that says that scripture is God breathed and most would interpret that as inspiration. The prophets often would say thus saith the Lord or the word of the Lord came to me saying and so on. In short, inspiration took place with the original authors. There isn’t a passage that says a translation would be inspired like the original (feel free to provide any you are aware of). There are passages we both know that speak to God’s word being preserved.

So, I think the Bible teaches we will have what we can call God’s word and that it will be preserved. However, we both know that throughout history many Christians had little access to an error free copy of the Bible even if they could read or write. No two people seem to have had the same exact copy. That didn’t seem to matter to them and from what I’ve read in the link you gave me it doesn’t matter to you that the case was such in history.

Evidently people had what God wanted them to have and it could be viewed as reliable and that was enough because God ensured that it was so even if they didn’t have THE perfect word. I see no reason to believe anything has changed. Excepting that we are in a position to get closer to the original with discoveries of ancient papyri.

I have read through different translations and looked at differences that are pointed out in KJV only material. I still don’t think the differences matter. They all teach the same doctrine and the differences are inconsequential from everything I’ve seen.

 Therefore I think God has preserved his word. There has been no manuscript discovery in over 100 years that changed what we didn’t already know about the text. The differences between the modern critical text and the TR amount to about 2%. The NT has by far more manuscript support than any other ancient writing.

Since the text’s transmission was so relatively stable, we can have good reason to believe that we have all the original words in the variants (despite how many there are) that are placed in margins of Bibles. The KJV translators noted that many things in the text are left doubtful so those things God left questionable even to the scholars should be put in the margin so we are not presumptuous in those things God left questionable! I agree with their view.

Would it be great if God dropped a perfect translation down that we could all have? Maybe, but I doubt it or else he would have done it and I see no reason to believe he has. So where is the perfect Bible we can trust you ask? The KJV is different from all other Bibles and it has had changes and errors in it yet it is not much different from modern translations.

 I think all the major modern translations are faithful translations that have the same Greek text as the KJV over 98% of the time with rest in the margins (and those variants in the margin don’t matter to doctrine). But in short, God never promised a perfect translation and He certainly never gave one before 1611 and there’s no evidence He did it then too. God has kept his word safe but not in the hands of one group or in a translation that we would come to idolize. But we can be sure it’s safe nonetheless.

But to those that feel uneasy by the apparent uncertainty simply lack faith from my perspective. I don’t expect this response to be good enough to those who feel we must have a 100% perfect translation like the original Bible but I believe I am going with scripture and evidence from history. (End of post by Stephen Joyner)

My Response

      Hi Stephen. I want to thank you for at least attempting to answer my question. That is far more than most here are willing to do. I obviously disagree with many of the points you bring up, but at least you did tell me what you believe and I appreciate that.

You tell us that we supposedly are getting closer to the originals because of the papyri evidence. This simply is not true. There are many cases where all the evidence, including the earliest, points to a correct reading, and yet your modern day Vatican Versions reject it and go with the false reading. Here is a concrete example and it also shows the constantly changing nature of such bogus bible versions like the NIV.

http://brandplucked.webs.com/john78didjesuslie.htm

You also say that the Greek texts are about 98% the same. Well, once again this is not true. Plus we have the fact that your Vatican Versions like the ESV, NIV are progressively rejecting more of the Hebrew readings and adding literally hundreds of words (the ESV especially) to the Hebrew texts.

All bibles are NOT 99% or even 98% the same -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/arebibles995same.htm

The Vatican Versions (ESV, NIV, NASB, NET, Holman) often reject the clear Hebrew readings - Part One. There is also a Part Two.

http://brandplucked.webs.com/nivnasbrejecthebrew.htm

You also tell us that there are No doctrinal differences among the various bible versions. Again, this simply is not true. Here are several examples of false doctrine found in you inferior bible versions

http://brandplucked.webs.com/2peter312hastingunto.htm

http://brandplucked.webs.com/nodoctrinechanged.htm

You also mention that you do not think any translation can be inspired. Where did you get this idea from? It certainly did not come from the Bible. The Bible itself clearly teaches us that a translation CAN BE the inspired words of God. Here is where and how it does this -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/translationinspired.htm

And lastly for now, it is clear that you do not believe there IS now nor ever was a complete and infallible Bible. As I read the Scriptures I see what the Bible says about itself. It tells me it is the true and perfect words of God. It tells me that He has promised to preserve His words and I appreciate the fact that you were at least willing to concede that point which many others deny. It also tells me that God cannot lie and He has said the Scriptures cannot be broken (John 10:36) and that heaven and earth will pass away but His words will not pass away. (Matthew 24:35) It also tells me to Seek out the Book of the LORD and read (Isaiah 35:16) and it tells me that individual words are critically important to God when He tells us not to add to nor take away from the words of this Book (Revelation 22:18-19)

So, by His sovereign grace I believe He has given me and many others the faith to believe what His Book says of itself and I see the sovereign hand of God in history fulfilling His promises to give us this Book of the LORD and it is in the end times universal language of English. The King James Bible is the ONLY Bible believed by thousands of blood bought children of God to BE in fact the inspired and infallible words of the living God.

There are many historical &quot;coincidences&quot; that show us the hand of God working in time and history to give us this Book and all the evidence points to the King James Holy Bible as being that Book.

Here are some of them -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/absolutestandard.htm

And lastly, the Bible itself tells us that before the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ there will be a falling away from the faith (2 Thes. 2:1-4) and that God Himself will send a famine of hearing His words into the land (Amos 8:11-12), and the Lord Jesus asks in Luke 18:8 &quot;Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall He find faith on the earth?&quot; The Whore of Babylon is very much alive and active and there will be a revival of this spiritual fornication in the last days and all the world will be deceived by and made drunk with the wine of her fornication. The majority of modern bible versions are the direct result of the Vatican influence. She is welcoming apostate Christianity into her bosom but God is calling His people to Come out of her. Some will hear God\'s voice and many will not.

http://brandplucked.webs.com/realcatholicbibles.htm

By the grace of God, believing the Book and keeping His words,

Will Kinney

More Notes from Facebook These comments came from the same Facebook club on the same day. This particular man says he knows both what God\'s words are and where they are found, yet he will NEVER tell us where we can see a copy of this &quot;inerrant Bible&quot; he apparently wants us to think he actually believes in. I have asked him dozens of times to show us this Bible he says he believes in, but he has never told us. He always dodges the question.  Now, in response to my article &quot;Does the King James Bible Only Postion &quot;Blow up&quot;? seen here - 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/kjbonlyblowup.htm

he writes: Ken B writes:

Taken from the same article that Will Kinney just quoted from.

&quot;4. The Fundamentalist View - All of the fundamentals of the faith are in the Bible in spite of its mistakes and errors&quot;
...
... All these views have one point in common: you don\'t actually have the Word of God in your hands. The Bible merely contains the Word of God.

So again, DO YOU deny that ALL modern versions contain the Gospel of Jesus Christ?&quot; (end of Ken\'s post)
 
My Response:  Ken, I have said all along that the gospel is found in all bible versions, no matter how corrupt they may be in many other ways. Even though your modern Vatican Versions like the NIV, ESV, NASB, NET, Holman etc. omit thousands of words from the N.T. and have your &quot;interconfessional&quot; text, and though they reject numerous Hebrew readings and DO teach false doctrine in several places, the gospel is still there. I have always maintained this.

The problem with these modern perversions of God\'s pure words is the simple fact that NOBODY seriously believes that any of them are the complete, inspired and 100% true words of God. The Polls show this to be the case. Fewer and fewer Christians believe in the Infallibility of the Bible every day. So at what point in your Vatican Versions does God begin to tell us the truth? If you cannot believe the numbers and names in all places and all these bible versions contradict each other in numerous ways, then why would you think the parts that tell us about the gospel are true when you don\'t believe many of the other parts?

It is a fact that biblical knowledge is at an all time low and unbelief in the inerrancy of Scripture is at an all time high, and people actually read and study these fake modern bibles less and less. It is all happening according to God\'s purpose. He told us He would send a famine of hearing His words into the land. He told us that there will come a falling away from the faith and that men will depart from the truth in the last days and be turned unto fables. This is what is happening now but you are too blind to see it because you are on the wrong side of this issue. You are in the arms of the Whore of Babylon and don\'t even know it. Same goes for so many here at this forum. God says &quot;Come out of her, my people&quot;.
 
Will Kinney

“If we would destroy the Christian religion, we must first of all destroy man’s belief in the Bible.”  Voltaire - ex French philosopher and former atheist.
 
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&quot;Some 50 per cent of our 7000 languages - repository of a massive body of knowledge learned, taught and stored by humans, and much of it by oral tradition - are about to go to God.&quot; (Noel Murphy).

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2012/03/22/314861_opinion.html

(That a newspaper not know the difference between a hyphen and an em-dash shows that English still has some ways to go with its native speakers. And yes, that was deliberately &quot;a hyphen&quot; not &quot;an hyphen&quot;.)');
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[color=red:ac4f6f5127]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:ac4f6f5127]

WELCOME! [i:ac4f6f5127]The Protector[/i:ac4f6f5127] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:ac4f6f5127][color=darkblue:ac4f6f5127]EDITORIAL[/color:ac4f6f5127][/size:ac4f6f5127]

THERE ARE GOOD THINGS FOR US

“So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.” (Isaiah 55:11).

God has given His Word into the Earth for a purpose. It is supposed to bring forth exactly what it says. We gain great insights, then, if we turn to the Word rather than just worldly predictions about the future.

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15).

If the Word of God shows us that we have a bright and good future, then present day issues must be much smaller, and largely illusory. We know Jesus warned of wars, rumours of war, troubles and turmoils, but these are as nothing compared to the peace of God.

God things are growing and are prepared for the people of God. As true Christians, we are to “Search the scriptures” (John 5:39). In the Scripture we find many good promises.

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A sermon by Matthew Verschuur on the Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJB and Psalm 12.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/24-4-2012_final_edition_mv.mp3[/url]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:ac4f6f5127]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:ac4f6f5127]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:ac4f6f5127][color=darkblue:ac4f6f5127]DIRECTORY[/color:ac4f6f5127][/size:ac4f6f5127]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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Of course, this verse talks about both the particular publishing of the Bible and also the publishing (as in spreading abroad) of the Word of God by believers. The publishing of Bibles has been very important for the words of God to be sent and to preached all over the world. Now, there are also new publishing methods via the internet and we should be aware that God is using this as well. It requires the unity of the people of God for this to be done according to God\'s will.

[b:2c20469ae2]We should think that what the Lord gave is good and wonderful[/b:2c20469ae2] - the words of God in the Bible are an enormous blessing to mankind. His Word is a gift - think on this.

&quot;Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above&quot; (James 1:17a).');
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[color=red:9dfdafb986]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:9dfdafb986]

WELCOME! [i:9dfdafb986]The Protector[/i:9dfdafb986] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:9dfdafb986][color=darkblue:9dfdafb986]EDITORIAL[/color:9dfdafb986][/size:9dfdafb986]

WHAT IS HIS NAME?

Someone wrote me an email, which began by stating, “I am a follower of Yeshua HaMaschiach”.

What strange thing is this? Certainly, there is no “Yeshua HaMaschiach” in the Bible.

We are told, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” (Romans 10:13). And the name? “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.” (Matthew 1:21).

As we can see from the Bible, the name of our Saviour is Jesus, not “Yeshua HaMaschiach”.

What is even more amazing is that the Bible prophesies that there would be an attack on the proper and true name of Jesus. “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son\'s name, if thou canst tell?” (Proverbs 30:4).

And where do we find the answer? The Bible says, “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.” (Proverbs 30:5).

It is wrong-headed for Christians to use such strange terminology. If we are to call upon the Lord with one consent, then it should be upon the God whose name alone is “JEHOVAH”, and whose Son is called “Jesus Christ”.

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A sermon by Matthew Verschuur on the Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJB and Psalm 12.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/24-4-2012_final_edition_mv.mp3[/url]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:9dfdafb986]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:9dfdafb986]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:9dfdafb986][color=darkblue:9dfdafb986]DIRECTORY[/color:9dfdafb986][/size:9dfdafb986]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2319', '2526ea4cd0', 'Studying the Bible with Bibi Netanyahu', 'Reporter’s Notebook: Studying Bible with Bibi
By HERB KEINON
25/05/2012

There is something both heartening and humorous about Netanyahu setting aside precious time to contemplate Ruth on Shavuot.

On Wednesday afternoon in Baghdad, a few thousand kilometers away from the Prime Minister’s Jerusalem Residence, the world powers known as the P5+1 – the US, China, Russia, France, Britain and Germany – sat down for much anticipated talks with the Iranians about their nuclear program.

At the same time, just a few hundred meters away from the Prime Minister’s Residence, 100 or so people loudly demonstrated for the rights of Ethiopian immigrants and against discrimination.

And all the while, for two hours on a mild afternoon, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu – with a small black kippa on his head – sat in the covered courtyard of his home with 16 rabbis, academics, Bible scholars, archeologists and linguists, and discussed the meaning of the Book of Ruth, which will be read on Shavuot on Sunday in synagogues around the world. His wife, Sara, sat next to him, and his two sons sat on a bank of chairs set to the side.

There was something at once heartening and slightly humorous about Netanyahu setting aside precious time in the late afternoon to talk about Biblical figures Tamar and Yehuda, Naomi and Boaz, Ruth and David, while Iran loomed so large, and domestic issues beckoned so seriously.

It was heartening in that it is uniquely elevating seeing the prime minister of the Jewish state taking time out to study the Bible, the heart of Jewish existence. One cannot talk about Jewish historic rights to this place, which the prime minister does constantly, without appreciating and understanding the Bible.

Read more:
http://www.jpost.com/LandedPages/PrintArticle.aspx?id=271407');
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[color=red:7390bb5c1f]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:7390bb5c1f]

WELCOME! [i:7390bb5c1f]The Protector[/i:7390bb5c1f] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:7390bb5c1f][color=darkblue:7390bb5c1f]EDITORIAL[/color:7390bb5c1f][/size:7390bb5c1f]

Recently, I was debating a modern versionist who was quoting from The Translators of the King James Bible to attempt to undermine our confidence in it.

He said that the translators were saying that ALL English versions of the Bible were like the Zerubbabel temple and that the Originals were like Solomon’s. His point was that basically the translation was not as good as the original, and that the English would always have blemishes.

However, the translators themselves were arguing the very opposite, saying that the translation ought to be considered the same and representative of the original. The translators were actually refuting the Roman Catholics who said that the KJB could not be as good as the original.

It is therefore ironic that the modernist actually takes (and agrees with) the Roman Catholic argument for imperfection of the KJB, against the King James Bible translators’ own words.

The translators said, “Truly, good Christian Reader, we never thought from the beginning that we should need to make a new translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one; (for then the imputation of Sixtus had been true in some sort, that our people had been fed with gall of dragons instead of wine, with whey instead of milk;) but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones one principal good one, not justly to be excepted against”.

As can be shown from quotes of the translators, the KJB men were not arguing for imperfection, but for perfecting the English Bible. If they thought they would fail, why did they labour to improve the former English translations? “Yet for all that, as nothing is begun and perfected at the same time, and the latter thoughts are thought to be the wiser: so, if we building upon their foundation that went before us, and being holpen by their labours, do endeavour to make that better which they left so good; no man, we are sure, hath cause to mislike us; they, we persuade ourselves, if they were alive, would thank us.”

The point is twofold. First, that those who argue against the King James Bible may be deceived and ignorant because of the nature and spiritual condition of what they are doing. But second, there are also countless examples of deliberate deception. If someone has to deceive, or is shown to be in error in what they are saying, then they should reconsider their position.

“But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man\'s conscience in the sight of God.” (2 Cor. 4:2).

“But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.” (2 Tim. 3:13).

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A sermon by Matthew Verschuur on the Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJB and Psalm 12.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/24-4-2012_final_edition_mv.mp3[/url]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:7390bb5c1f]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:7390bb5c1f]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:7390bb5c1f][color=darkblue:7390bb5c1f]DIRECTORY[/color:7390bb5c1f][/size:7390bb5c1f]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2321', '3b1488a316', 'Matthew 23:14 Inspired Scripture or not?', 'Is Matthew 23:14 Inspired Scripture or not?

The Lord Jesus Christ clearly stated “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but MY WORDS shall not pass away.”  This is either a true statement or He was lying to us.

Matthew 23:14 records in full the words of the Lord Jesus Christ that are found no where else in the entire Bible. There are a couple of similar passages (See Mark 12:40; Luke 20:47) but nothing that is exactly like Matthew 23:14 where He says: “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows\' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. “

The evidence for the authenticity of this entire verse is simply overwhelming, and we can even see the stumbling uncertainty of the modern versions by the way they handle this particular verse.

This whole verse has been omitted from many modern versions (but not all of them as we shall soon see) that follow the ever changing Westcott-Hort Critical text theories.   Versions that entirely omit this verse first began with the Darby version in 1870.  John Darby basically made up his own peculiar text for the New Testament, following neither the Westcott-Hort revised Greek text, nor the Majority nor the Textus Receptus.  Darby’s was followed by the liberal RSV in 1946 and then by the NRSV 1989, the ESV 2001 and the NIVs of 1973, 1978, 1984 and the latest of 3 revisions the NIV has already undergone in 2011.

Daniel Wallace’s NET version (an ongoing train wreck) tells us that the verse is “not in the most important manuscripts...it is almost certainly not original... The present translation follows NA27 in omitting the verse number as well, a procedure also followed by a number of other modern translations.”

And what might these “best manuscripts” be?  Well, they are primarily  Sinaiticus, Vaticanus and D, all of which wildly differ not only from the Majority of all Greek texts but even from each other.  See my article on “the oldest and the best manuscripts?” here:

http://brandplucked.webs.com/oldestandbestmss.htm

Isn’t it odd that by simply skipping from verse 13 to 15  neither the Nestle-Aland 27 people nor some modern versions appear to be able  even count right?  “And now let’s count class ... ten...eleven... twelve... thirteen...fifteen... sixteen...Ooops. Looks like something is missing, Huh?”  Why don’t they just be honest and change the verse numbers? Because in spite of themselves, they are bearing reluctant witness to the fact that God has an absolute Standard for His Bible and it’s not their own watered down, bogus bible versions.

The history of the dividing the Bible into chapters and verse numbers is very interesting.  Tyndale did not have chapter and verse numbers and the order of the books in the N.T. were quite different from the way they now stand today.  The Geneva bible was the first English Bible to be divided into chapter and verse numbers.  However the King James Bible did not always follow the same verse numbers as the Geneva Bible.  Guess which Bible has become the Standard as far as chapter divisions and individual verse numbers all over the world?  You got it.  It is the Authorized King James Holy Bible.

Versions such as the Revised Version of 1885, the ASV of 1901 and the NASBs from 1960 to 1995 have the whole verse in [brackets] indicating doubt as to whether this verse is true Scripture or not.  The Holman Standard of 2003 [does the same].  This means that even they did not have complete confidence in their own every changing Critical Greek texts as to whether this verse should be omitted or not.  It’s a real faith destroyer to have versions like the NASB or Holman Standard that [bracket] anywhere from 17 to 45 entire verses in the New Testament alone.  Guess who wants you to ask yourself “Yea, hath God said...?” (Genesis 3:1) A similar thing is observed in the ever changing Catholic Versions. The earlier Douay-Rheims of 1582 included the entire verse of Matthew 23:14 and not even in brackets.  Then the Douay version came out in 1950 and they left the verse in the chapter but this time put it in brackets, indicating doubt. Then the more modern Catholic versions like the 1970 St. Joseph NAB and the 1985 New Jerusalem bible now omit the entire verse. And quite naturally, the Jehovah Witness Watchtower New World Translation entirely omits the whole verse. Oh, but wait!  Now the latest Catholic version to come down the pike is what they call The Sacred Bible Catholic Public Domain Version of the Sacred Bible, and it has put the verse back in this time and NOT with brackets.  You can see this latest Catholic bible version here

http://www.sacredbible.org/catholic/index.htm

 

There are some versions that primarily follow the Critical Greek text theories and omit thousands of words from the true New Testament who still leave this verse intact.  This includes Rotherham’s 1902 Emphasized bible and the brand new ISV (International Standard Version) which has gone back to including the entire verse in the text.

The evidence for the inclusion of Matthew 23:14 in the pages of the Holy Scriptures is ancient, massive and widespread.  ALL English Bibles before the 1611 King James Bible included this verse.  These are the Wycliffe Bible of 1395, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Bishops’ Bible of 1568 and the Geneva Bibles from 1557 to 1602, and even the 1582 Catholic Douay-Rheims version, though the more recent Catholic versions like the St. Joseph New American Bible 1969 and the 1985 New Jerusalem have now omitted the verse.   Of course, it is firmly in place in the King James Holy Bible.

It was also in Mace’s N.T. 1729, Wesley’s N.T. 1755, Webster’s 1833, the Douay version 1950, Youngs, and is included in the NKJV 1982, Green’s literal, the 21st Century KJV and the Third Millenium Bible 1998.

Matthew 23:14 is found in the vast Majority of all Greek texts, including many uncial copies like E, F, G, H, K, M, O, S, U, V, W, Y Gamma, Delta, Pi, Sigma and Omega.  It is found in the Old Latin copies b, c, f, ff2, h, 1, r1, 2.  The Old Latin copies bear witness to a N.T. text that existed long before anything we have in the existing Greek copies.  It is included in such ancient Bible translations as the Syriac Peshitta, Curetonian, Harkelian, Palestinian, as well as some Coptic Boharic copies, the Armenian and the Ethiopic versions. The Gothic bible is missing the entire chapter, so it is not much help in determining the text at all.  The Latin Vulgate texts as well as the Catholic versions that come from them are all mixed up.  The 425 A.D. Vulgate omitted  it, but the later Clementine Vulgate included it.

Matthew 23:14 is included in the Modern Greek New Testaments used by the Greek Orthodox churches all over the world today.  It is also found in all these foreign language Bibles: THE MODERN HEBREW N.T., the Arabic Life Application bible 1998, the Africaans Bible, Armenian, Basque, Bulgarian, Chinese bibles, Check, Dutch Staten Vertaling, Danish, Estonian, Finnish, French Louis Segond 1910, Martin 1744 and French Ostervald 1996; the German Luther 1545 and the more modern Elberfelder, the German Schlachter Bible of 2000,  the Modern Greek N.T.; the Hungarin Karoli, Quiché Bible 1997, Italian Diodati 1649, the Riveduta 1927 and the New Diodati 1991, the Italian La Parola é Vita 1997, Icelandic, Japenese bibles, Latvian, Lithuanian, Manx Gaelic, Norwegian Det Norsk Bibelselskap, Portuguese Almeida, Russian Synodal, Victor Zhuromski and the 2000 Russian Slovo Zhizny bible, the Spanish Reina Valeras from 1909, 1960 and 1995; the 1997 La Biblia de las Américas (Lockman Foundation), the Swahili bible, Thai, Tagalog, Turkish, Ukranian and the Vietnamese bibles.

 

Also to be noted is that the International Bible Society, who puts out the NIV which completely omits Matthew 23:14, is not always consistent when it comes to the foreign language bibles the IBS publishes.  Among the modern foreign language versions the IBS publishes that DO contain this verse in their translations are The Arabic Life Application bible 1998, the French La Bible du Semeur 1999, the Italian La Parola e Vita 1997, the Portuguese O Livro 2000, the modern Romanian bible, and the Russian Slovo Zhizny of 2000. While we are in this chapter let\'s take a look at some other textual variants found here.  These textual variants and they way modern &quot;scholars&quot; handle them reveals a great deal about the fundamental unbelief in the inerrancy of The Bible and the farcical nature of what they like to refer to as &quot;the science of textual criticism&quot;

In Matthew 23:4 we read of the Pharisees &quot;for they bind heavy burdens AND GRIEVOUS TO BE BORN, and lay them on men\'s shoulders.&quot;  The words translated as &quot;and grievous to be born&quot; - &#954;&#945;&#8054; &#948;&#965;&#963;&#946;&#940;&#963;&#964;&#945;&#954;&#964;&#945; - are found in the vast Majority of all Greek manuscripts, in numerous Old Latin copies, the Syriac Harkelian, Palestinian, Coptic Sahidic, Armenian, Ehtiopian and Georgian ancient versions. It is ALSO FOUND IN VATICANUS!  However Sinaiticus omits it and so do the NASB, NIV 1973, 1978 and 1984 editions. Westcott and Hort originally omitted these words of Scripture from their Greek text and so did the earlier Nestle-Aland editions. I have a Nestle Aland 4th edition of 1934 and the Greek words for &quot;and grievous to be born&quot; are not in the text nor even in the footnotes.  However later on their &quot;science&quot; decided to put the words back in their ever changing Greek critical texts but this time [in brackets].  All the Catholic versions DO contain these words and NOW the NIV of 2011 has once again changed their text and in the 3rd revision so far, the NIV now includes the words in their text.  The older NIVs read: &quot;They tie up heavy loads and put them on MEN\'S shoulders&quot;, but the &quot;new&quot; NIV 2011 now reads: &quot;They tie up heavy, CUMBERSOME loads and put them on OTHER PEOPLE\'S shoulders.&quot; I guess the word &quot;men&quot; was too politically incorrect, so they also changed this to &quot;other people\'s&quot;.

The words &quot;and grievous to be born&quot; have always been in the English Bibles from Wycliffe, Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishops\' Bible, the Geneva Bible, the KJB, Revised Version 1885, ASV of 1901, and are still found today in the RSV, NRSV, ESV, ISV, NET, Holman Standard and now once again in the NIV 2011, but the NASB continues to omit them. Likewise the Jehovah Witness New World Translation also omits these words from their text.

In Matthew 23:5 we read: &quot;they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders OF THEIR GARMENTS.&quot; The words &quot;of their garments&quot; - &#964;&#8182;&#957; &#7985;&#956;&#945;&#964;&#943;&#969;&#957; &#945;&#8016;&#964;&#8182;&#957; - again are found in the Majority of all Greek manuscripts as well as several Old Latin copies, the Syriac and Coptic Boharic. The words are NOT in the Westcott-Hort, UBS, Nestle-Aland Critical texts, and versions like Daniel Wallace\'s NET version, ALL Catholic versions like Douay-Rheims, St. Joseph NAB, New Jerusalem, the RSV, NRSV, ESV and the Holman Standard omit them.  The NASBs put the words in italics -&quot;of their garments&quot; but the NIV, and the new ISV (International Standard Version) include them. The words have always been in all Reformation Bible in all languages as well as in Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishops\' Bible, the Geneva Bible and the NKJV.

In Matthew 23:8 we read: &quot;But be ye not called Rabbi; for one is your Master, EVEN CHRIST; and all ye are brethren.&quot;  Here the word CHRIST is found in the Majority of all remaining Greek manuscripts, yet the UBS text doesn\'t even footnote that this reading even exists. Sinaiticus and Vaticanus unite in omitting the word &quot;Christ&quot; from this verse, but they don\'t even agree with each other in this single verse. The word for &quot;master&quot; in the Majority of all texts, the Textus Receptus AND Sinaiticus is &#8001; &#954;&#945;&#952;&#951;&#947;&#951;&#964;&#942;&#962; but the word found in Vaticanus is the completely different word &#8001; &#948;&#953;&#948;&#940;&#963;&#954;&#945;&#955;&#959;&#962; .  They have similar meanings, but they are totally different words found in these so called &quot;oldest and best manuscripts&quot; that constantly disagree with each other, and yet are used to omit literally thousands of words from the New Testament of most modern Vatican Versions like the NIV, NASB, ESV, NET and Holman Standard.  However both these corrupt manuscripts omit the word &quot;Christ&quot; and so do ALL Catholic bible versions like Douay, St. Joseph NAB and the New Jerusalem, as well as the RV, ASV, NASB, NIV, ESV, RSV, NRSV, NET, Holman and J.W. New World Translation.

Agreeing with the reading found in the King James Bible and the Traditional Greek texts in Matthew 23:8 &quot;For one is your Master, EVEN CHRIST&quot; are Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, Bishops\' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, Martin Luther\'s German Bible of 1545 and the German Schlachter Bible of 2000 -&quot;ist euer Meister, Christus&quot;, the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras of 1569 and the Reina Valeras of 1909, 1960, 1995 - &quot;uno es vuestro Maestro, el Cristo&quot;, the Italian Diodati of 1649 and the Nuovo Diodati of 1997 - &quot;uno solo è il vostro maestro: Il Cristo&quot;, the Portuguese A Biblia Sagrada em Portugues - &quot;porque um só é o vosso Mestre, a saber, o Cristo, e todos vós sois irmãos.&quot;, the Afrikaans Bible 1953 - &quot;een is julle leermeester: Christus&quot;, the Modern Greek - &quot;&#949;&#953;&#962; &#949;&#953;&#957;&#945;&#953; &#959; &#954;&#945;&#952;&#951;&#947;&#951;&#964;&#951;&#962; &#963;&#945;&#962;, &#959; &#935;&#961;&#953;&#963;&#964;&#959;&#962;&quot;, the French Martin 1744 and Ostervald 1996 - &quot;qu\'un Maître, le Christ&quot; and the Romanian Cornilescu Bible and the Modern Hebrew New Testament to name but a few.

In Matthew 23:19 we read: &quot;YE FOOLS and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?&quot;  Here the word FOOLS is again found in the Majority of all remaining Greek manuscripts INCLUDING VATICANUS!  But Sinaiticus omits the word.  So what do the fake modern versions do this time?  Well, for the most part they completely reverse themselves and instead of following Vaticanus and not Sinaiticus, this time they &quot;scientifically&quot; don\'t ya know, go with the Sinaiticus omission, in spite of the reading being found in some Old Latin copies, the Syriac Peshitta, Harkelian, Palestinian, the Coptic, Armenian, Ethiopian, Georgian and Slavonic ancient versions.  

&quot;Ye FOOLS and blind&quot; is found in Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishops\' Bible, the Geneva Bible, the NKJV, as well as many foreign language bibles like the Afrikaans bible 1953, the French Martin and Ostervald - &quot;Fous et aveugles!&quot;, the Dutch Staten Vertaling bible, the Modern Greek bible - &quot;&#924;&#969;&#961;&#959;&#953; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#964;&#965;&#966;&#955;&#959;&#953;&quot;, Luther\'s German Bible - &quot;Ihr Narren und Blinden&quot;, the Italian Diodati - &quot;Stolti e ciechi!&quot;, the Spanish Reina Valera - &quot;¡Insensatos y ciegos!&quot; and the Russian Synodal Version. But the Catholic versions of the Douay-Rheims, Douay, New Jerusalem, the 2009 Catholic Public Domain Version and the RV, ASV, NASB, NIV, ESV, RSV, NET, Holman Standard and the J.W. New World Translation all omit this word.

As we enter the early 21st century, the ever growing unbelief in the inspiration, inerrancy and infallibility of any Bible in any language is in full swing.  The King James Bible believers are the only ones who will not budge on this most vital doctrine.  We fully believe that God has indeed preserved His precious and perfect words in “the book of the LORD” (Isaiah 34:16) and that this Book is the Authorized King James Holy Bible - the Standard by which all others are to be measured.

“In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word.”  Psalm 56:10

Will Kinney');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2322', '00775b46cf', '', 'Will:

As always I am grateful for your dedication and meticulousness.  It is good for non-scholars like myself to have a resource for these kinds of details.

I do have one question: are you saying that the NIV 2011 has already undergone some revisions?  Did they announce these?  What was the reason.  I\'m really startled if they couldn\'t even wait a whole year before issuing an update?  

Thanks,

Jim');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2323', '0d2560ae65', 'NIV revisions', 'Hi Jim. Yes, the NIV has changed its underlying Greek text in several places.  It has also changed a great deal of its English translation as well. I document many of these changes, both textual and English translation in this article here

http://brandplucked.webs.com/whatabouttheniv2011.htm

God bless,

Will K');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2324', '43c674f434', 'General overview of my KJBO position', 'The following is an email I sent a brother today:

Here are some booklets I wrote a few years ago which explain things, there are more on the website, but I have selected these as general on the subject.

http://www.bibleprotector.com/revelation_pure_word.pdf

http://www.bibleprotector.com/THE_FINAL_KING_JAMES_BIBLE.pdf

http://www.bibleprotector.com/God\'s_chosen_edition_of_the_King_James_Bible.pdf

There are two important foundations to arguing for the King James Bible in regards to textual transmission. As we know, there is an argument that says the God who gave His Word at inspiration should also be able to preserve His Word.

1. There is a spiritual law of scattering and gathering. This means that as the Word went out from Jerusalem, and as it came to the Middle Ages, we see scattering. But God also gathered.

2. There is the concept of a received text, which takes into account more than merely the Byzantine tradition, but draws upon the Western (Latin) as foundational also, including the Vulgate.

I have taken a step beyond what Burgon, Hoskier, Hills, Nolan or Holland have argued. Such an argument does not require either reference to myself, nor to Bible prophecy. It argues in line with what Hills said about the received truth and common faith, and that the KJB is an independent variety of the received text. The position I am arguing is built on all what you know, which basically is:
1. God has providentially ensured sufficient textual information and scholarship, for the formation of the final received text and perfect translation in 1611.
2. God has providentially raised up English to be able to convey the full sense of the originals in English, gathered in one volume, and able to be made common to the nations because of the prevalence of English.
3. God has providentially overseen the formation of technologies which allow the accurate portrayal and widespread, cheap and accessible dissemination of the Bible around the planet Earth.

The following is a statement I made on Facebook yesterday, which I have put between stars:

* * *

How is perfect Scripture measured? Well, it is irrational to assume that something perfect must be measured by something external that is perfect, which means that the loaded question assumes that the KJB cannot be perfect. As I have before stated, the KJB’s perfection can be seen through:
 a. providential arguments concerning its history, situation and manifest presence.
 b. internal signs of perfection, self authentication and divinity in the detail.
 c.
 i. consistency with the nature of God as revealed in the Word,
 ii. promises of Scripture concerning the Word, and
 iii. fulfilments of prophecies concerning itself (such as Revelation 10).
 
* * *

I also form the view (without going to extremes) that English should be the preferred language and the King James Bible the preferred Bible for missionary activity and world evangelism. I think that there are various signs indicating that it is better for doctrine, economically and due to natural (providential) factors, to teach and use English, and to use the KJB rather than make or promote new foreign language translations, and be stuck with the modernistic tendencies of modern missionary endeavours. This view (as moderately stated) still finds much criticism and is heavily attacked by others, since it goes against the current paradigm.

I think that the KJB is perfect, and is superior to all other forms (i.e. copies, versions and translations) of Scripture, and is the final received text. This means that I do not harken back to the Hebrew and Greek any more. All study I do is without reference to Hebrew and Greek. This is because not only do I believe that the textual issues have been resolved and the translation accurate, but also that there is significant testimony of many years of people who have engaged in those levels of scholarship which vindicate the KJB, including the fact that widespread acceptance by all English speaking Protestants, which indicates that now we can progress forward from the view of attempting to argue that the TR was right, and therefore the KJB is right, to now going on to say that the TR has been established as right, and now it is time to defend the KJB as final authority, which is self-validating.

Here are some more booklets:

http://www.bibleprotector.com/trumpet.pdf

http://www.bibleprotector.com/receiveKJBO.pdf

http://www.bibleprotector.com/assertingKJBO.pdf

http://www.bibleprotector.com/glistering_truths.pdf

Finally, in line with having a correct and standard copy of the KJB, not only do I promote one edition as being shown and traditionally witnessed to be the best, but also that we have electronic copies of it which have no mistakes in it, not even one typo. This is very important for showing the end result in these things, and what it is exactly which we stand for in the eyes of nations, kings, etc. 

Blessings and peace (the Bible wars are won).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2325', '7d58ecf851', 'Many Modern Versions Degrade the Lord Jesus Christ', 'Many Modern Versions Degrade the Person of the  Lord Jesus Christ

Matthew 27:24; Matthew 28:6; John 7:8-10; Matthew 5:22; Philippians 2:6-8; Micah 5:2; 1 Timothy 3:16 and &quot;Worship&quot; or &quot;Kneel before&quot;?

This comparative study will show how most modern Vatican Versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET and the more modern Catholic bible versions degrade and downgrade the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ in several ways in various verses of the Holy Bible. Satan hates the word of God and the Word of God equally, for the one bears witness to the other. Since he can no longer attack the Word of God (the Lord Jesus Christ, God manifest in the flesh) he has now directed his efforts to subtly attack, undermine, confuse, weaken and ultimately destroy the Christian\'s faith in an infallible Bible. He cannot successfully strip the true Bible of its authority all at once, so bit by bit he chips away at it by taking a little bit out over here, changing the text over there, and almost imperceptibly diminishing the honor and worship due to the Son of God.

“To Degrade = to lower in grade, rank, or status: to demote.  To strip of rank or honors. To deprive of standing or true function.” Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary.

The first verse we will look at is Matthew 27:24 where the Lord Jesus is about to be crucified and Pilate takes water and washes his hands saying: I am innocent of the blood of THIS JUST PERSON: see ye to it.”  Here even His enemies were bearing witness to the fact that He was a just and righteous man.

The reading of “this JUST person” or this RIGHTEOUS man is found in the Majority of all remaining Greek manuscripts including Sinaiticus, L, W, the Lectionaries, the Old Latin c, ff1, g1, l, q, the Vulgate, the Syriac Harkelian and Lamsa’s translation of the Syriac, some Coptic Sahidic manuscripts, the Armenian, Ethiopian, Georgian and Slavonic ancient versions.

The manuscripts that omit the word “just” or “righteous” are primarily Vaticanus and D, both well known for their many corruptions. 

Agreeing with the reading of “the blood of THIS JUST PERSON” instead of merely “this man’s blood” (NASB, NIV, ESV, RSV, NRSV, Dan Wallace’s NET version, Holman Standard, ISV, the Catholic Jerusalem bible 1968 and the New Jerusalem 1985, Jehovah Witness New World Translation) are the Revised Version of 1881, the American Standard Version of 1901 (both of which were in the main Westcott-Hort Critical text versions, yet they retained the reading of “the blood of this JUST person”), Wycliffe 1395, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the KJB 1611, Wesley’s translation 1755, Mace N.T. 1729, Young’s, Darby, the NKJV, New Life Bible 1969 and 1997, Bible in Basic English 1960, the Amplified Bible, Hebrew Names Version, the earlier Catholic bibles like the Douay-Rheims of 1582 -”I am innocent of the blood of this just man; look you to it.”and the Douay Version of 1950.

Among foreign language translation that include the reading of “the blood of this JUST man” are the following: the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras of 1569, the Reina Valeras from 1909, 1960 to 1995, and La Biblia de las Américas 1997 (Lockman Foundation)- &quot;,Inocente soy yo de la sangre de este justo&quot;,  Luther\'s German Bible of 1545 and the 2000 Schlachter Bible - &quot;Ich bin unschuldig an dem Blut dieses Gerechten&quot;, the French Martin 1744, Louis Segond of 1910 and 2007 and the Ostervald of 1996 - &quot;Je suis innocent du sang de ce juste&quot;, the Italian Diodati of 1649, the Nuovo Diodati of 1991 and the Riveduta of 1994 -&quot;Io sono innocente del sangue di questo giusto&quot;; the Modern Greek Bible - &quot;&#913;&#952;&#969;&#959;&#962; &#949;&#953;&#956;&#945;&#953; &#945;&#960;&#959; &#964;&#959;&#965; &#945;&#953;&#956;&#945;&#964;&#959;&#962; &#964;&#959;&#965; &#948;&#953;&#954;&#945;&#953;&#959;&#965; &#964;&#959;&#965;&#964;&#959;&#965;&quot;; the Afrikaans Bible 1953, the Russian Synodal Version, the Portuguese Almeida Corrigida y Fiel 1681 and A Biblia Sagrada em Portugues - &quot;Estou inocente do sangue deste justo.&quot;

Matthew 28:6 Here we read the testimony of the angel of the Lord shortly after the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ from the dead.  The angel tells the women who came to His tomb: &quot;He is not here; for his is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where THE LORD lay.&quot;

The angel rightly refers to the Lord Jesus Christ as &quot;the LORD&quot;, because that is who He is. However many modern Versions omit the words &quot;the Lord&quot; and merely state: &quot;Come, see the place where he lay.&quot;  (ESV, RSV, NRSV, NIV, NASB, NET, Holman, St. Joseph NAB, New Jerusalem bible, Jehovah Witness New World Translation) There is a big difference between calling the Lord Jesus after He had conquered the devil and put away the sins of His people THE LORD or to refer to Him merely as &quot;he&quot;.  The reading of &quot;where THE LORD lay&quot; is again found in the vast Majority of all remaining Greek manuscripts including A, C, D, K, L, W, the Lectionaries, the Old Latin a, aur, b, c, d, f, ff1, g1, h, l, q, r1, the Latin Vulgate, the Syriac Peshitta, Harkelian, Palestinian, Georgian and Slavonic ancient versions. The manuscripts that omit &quot;the Lord&quot; and only have &quot;he&quot; are Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, which not only differ from the Majority of texts but also from each other in at least 3000 places in the gospels alone.  As Dean Burgon wrote - it is easier to find two consecutive verses where these two manuscripts disagree with each other, than two where they agree.

 Remember, it is these two so called &quot;oldest and best manuscripts&quot; that have the absurd and totally out of place reading in Matthew 27:49. A very serious error occurs here in both of these manuscripts, which is not used by the NASB, NIV, or the RSV, though the reading is noted in the RSV footnote as, *Other ancient authorities insert - &quot;And another took a spear and pierced his side and there came out water and blood.&quot; None of the major English Bible translations in history ever included this added verse. This includes Wycliffe 1396, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, Bishops\' bible, the Geneva Bible, the RV, ASV, NASB, NIV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, NKJV, Holman, Darby nor Youngs.  Not even Daniel &quot;anything but the KJB&quot; Wallace includes this bogus reading in his NET version but he does give us this revealing footnote: &quot;Early and important mss (&#1488; B C L &#915; pc) have another sentence at the end of this verse: “And another [soldier] took a spear and pierced him in the side, and water and blood flowed out.” This comment finds such a strong parallel in John 19:34 that it was undoubtedly lifted from the Fourth Gospel by early, well-meaning scribes and inserted into Matt 27:49. Consequently, even though the support for the shorter reading (A D W &#920; Ë1,13 33 Ï lat sy sa bo) is not nearly as impressive, internal considerations on its behalf are compelling.&quot;  It is an obvious textual blunder. Yet there are a couple of wackos going around the internet claiming that the KJB is wrong because it does not include this extra verse! We do live in interesting times. This reading of both Sinaiticus and Vaticanus has a man killing our Lord rather than He Himself commending His spirit into the hands of the Father and voluntarily giving up the ghost.

This false reading has Christ being put to death at this time, yet we see from the very next verse and the other gospels that He continues to speak. In Luke 23:44-46 Jesus says, &quot;Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit&quot;, and John 19:30 says, &quot;When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost&quot;.

It is not until AFTER our Lord said all these things, and He Himself voluntarily gave up His own life that we read in John 19:34, &quot;one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water&quot;.

Obviously some very careless scribes took this reading from John\'s gospel and placed it in Matthew 27:49 in the Sinaitic and Vatican copies where it is completely out of order. Yet this reading is found in both of these &quot;oldest and best&quot; manuscripts upon which most modern versions are based.

Once again we see the same gradual and subtle changes made in our English Bibles. Though the Revised Version of 1881 and the ASV of 1901 were primarily Westcott-Hort Critical text versions, and W &amp; H omitted the words &quot;the Lord&quot; from their critical text, yet the RV and ASV still followed the traditional reading of &quot;Come, see the place where the Lord lay.&quot;  Also agreeing with this Traditional reading of &quot;where THE LORD lay&quot; are the following Bible translations in English: Wycliffe 1395, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, Bishops\' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, Mace\'s New Testament 1729, Wesley\'s Translation 1755, the Revised Version 1881, ASV 1901, Darby, Youngs, the NKJV 1982, New Life Bible, Bible in Basic English 1960, Douay-Rheims 1582, Douay 1950, Hebrew Names Version and the Third Millenium Bible.

Versions that simply have the angel saying: &quot;Come, see the place where he lay&quot; are the liberal RSV followed by the NRSV, ESV, NIV, NASB, ISV, NET, Holman Standard and the more modern Catholic versions like the St. Joseph New American Bible 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible 1985 as well as the Jehovah Witness New World Translation. To go from &quot;the Lord&quot; to simply &quot;he&quot; is once again to degrade the Lord Jesus Christ. And you can easily see the slow but steady pattern increase as we get into the modern versions.  The older Catholic Bibles like the Douay-Rheims and Douay and even the RV and ASV still had &quot;where the LORD lay&quot; but the more modern Catholic versions along with the other critical text (Vatican Versions) have now downgraded this to simply &quot;he&quot;.

Among foreign language Bibles that read &quot;Come see the place where the LORD lay&quot; are the following: the Afrikaans Bible 1953, the French Martin 1744, and French Ostervald 1996 - &quot;et voyez le lieu où le Seigneur était couché.&quot;, the Dutch Staten Vertaling, the Romanian Cornilescu Bible, -&quot;unde z&#259;cea Domnul; the Modern Greek Bible - &quot;&#917;&#955;&#952;&#949;&#964;&#949;, &#953;&#948;&#949;&#964;&#949; &#964;&#959;&#957; &#964;&#959;&#960;&#959;&#957; &#959;&#960;&#959;&#965; &#949;&#954;&#949;&#953;&#964;&#959; &#959; &#922;&#965;&#961;&#953;&#959;&#962;.&quot;, Luther\'s German Bible 1545 and the 2000 Schlachter Bible - &quot;da der HERR gelegen hat!&quot;, the Russian Synodal Version, the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras of 1569, the Reina Valeras of 1909, 1960 and 1995 - &quot;Venid, ved el lugar donde fue puesto el Señor.&quot;, the Portuguese A Biblia Sagrada em Portugues and the Almeida Corrigida y Fiel  -&quot;Vinde, vede o lugar onde o Senhor jazia&quot; and the Italian Diodati 1649 and the Nuovo Diodati of 1991 - &quot;vedete il luogo dove giaceva il Signore.&quot;

John 7:8-10 Did Jesus Lie?

Other examples of how the Lord Jesus is being degraded in the modern versions are found in John 7:8-10 where many modern versions have Jesus saying that He is NOT going to the feast, and then 2 verses later He goes to the feast, which would make Him a liar. The true Bible has Jesus saying that He is not YET going to the feast, but then later He does go. Check out this detailed study of these verses and see how the NIV 2011 has now changed its underlying Greek text in its latest revision. Modern bibles are getting worse, not better.

http://brandplucked.webs.com/john78didjesuslie.htm

Matthew 5:22 Did Jesus Sin When He Got Angry?

In the true Bible the Lord Jesus says &quot;whosoever is angry with his brother WITHOUT A CAUSE shall be in danger of the judgment&quot; and Jesus Himself was angry in Mark 3:5 where it says: &quot;And when He had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their heart&quot;, yet the more modern Catholic versions and the other new Vatican Versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET have omitted the phrase &quot;without a cause&quot; in Matthew 5:22 and this would make Jesus a sinner for saying whoever is angry with his brother is in danger of judgment.  See the complete article here -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/matthew522withoutcause.htm 

Philippians 2:6-8

In this great Christological passage we read: &quot;Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD: but MADE HIMSELF OF NO REPUTATION, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.&quot;

However many modern versions like the NIV 1984, ESV, NASB, NET and modern Catholic versions read quite differently and end up with the opposite meaning. For example, the ESV and the New Jerusalem bible read: &quot;Christ Jesus, who though he was in the form of God, DID NOT COUNT EQUALITY WITH GOD A THING TO BE GRASPED, BUT MADE HIMSELF NOTHING...&quot;

 To get a clearer idea of just how different in meaning the phrase is, &quot;thought it not robbery to be equal with God&quot; from &quot;did not consider equality with God something to be grasped&quot; compare the following statements.

&quot;The black man thought it not robbery to be equal with the white man.&quot; In other words, he was not stealing something that did not belong to him; he is equal to the white man.

&quot;The black man did not regard equality with the white man a thing to be grasped.&quot; He didn\'t even try and thought it way beyond him.

The meaning found in the NASB, NIV 1984, NKJV 1979 edition, ESV, RSV is totally different from the one found in the King James Bible and others which reveal the full deity of our Lord Jesus Christ. See the complete article here -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/phil2notrobbery.htm

Micah 5:2

Is Christ the Eternal Son of God or Did He have and Origin?

 King James Bible and many others reads: &quot;But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; WHOSE GOINGS FORTH HAVE BEEN FROM OF OLD, FROM EVERLASTING.&quot;
 
The older Catholic Douay Version used to read just like the King James Bible here in Micah 5:2.  It says: &quot;AND THOU, BETHLEHEM Ephrata, art a little one among the thousands of Juda: out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be the ruler in Israel: and his going forth is from the beginning, from the days of eternity.&quot;

However, modern &quot;scholarship&quot; is in the tail spin of a free falling apostasy and all roads are leading back to the great whore of Babylon.   The liberal  Revised Standard Version of 1946 (RSV), NRSV 1989, the 2001 ESV and the modern Catholic bible versions like the Jerusalem Bible of 1968, St. Joseph New American Bible of 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible of 1985 we read: &quot;But you, O Bethlehem Eph\'rathah, who are little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose ORIGIN is from of old, FROM ANCIENT DAYS.&quot; 

The NIV - &quot;But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose ORIGINS are from of old, FROM ANCIENT TIMES.&quot;

Jehovah Witness New World Translation 1961 - &quot;And you, O Bethlehem Ephrahah, the one too little to get to be among the thousands of Judah, from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel, WHOSE ORIGIN IS FROM EARLY TIMES, FROM THE DAYS OF TIME INDEFINITE.&quot;

  See the complete article on Micah 5:2 here - http://brandplucked.webs.com/micah52heb211origin.htm

 And you should also see this one called My, How Times Have Changed! where a mere 50 years ago the professors at Dallas Theological Seminary produced a report condemning many of the translations found in the liberal RSV but today that same Dallas Theological Seminary is now producing bible versions like the Daniel Wallace NET version that have THE SAME translations in them!  You can see it here -

 http://brandplucked.webs.com/timeschangedtsemnet.htm

1 Timothy 3:16

&quot;GOD  was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels...&quot; Of the 300 existing cursive copies of  Paul\'s letter to First Timothy that we have, 252 of them say GOD was manifest in the flesh. The Protestant Reformation Bibles all witness to this reading. It is the Catholic bible versions and today\'s Vatican Versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET, Holman Standard, RSV etc. that change &quot;GOD was manifest in the flesh&quot; to something like &quot;He appeared in a body&quot;. No longer it is GOD who was manifest in the flesh, which is totally unique to the Lord Jesus Christ, but merely &quot;He appeared in a body&quot;.  Well, News Flash. We ALL have appeared in a body and we are not God. To see more on this verse and the manuscript support for the correct reading of GOD was manifest in the flesh, See -

 http://brandplucked.webs.com/1timothy316godorhe.htm

 To WORSHIP the Lord Jesus or just To KNEEL BEFORE?

Throughout the New Testament we see a continual witness to the Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ when men WORSHIPPED Him and these were all Jews whom God had told repeatedly that there were to worship only the one true God. &quot;...for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.&quot;  Luke 4:8.  There are some 12 to 14 times in the New Testament where various people come to the Lord Jesus and worship Him.  However this is not the case in many of the modern versions.  I will give just a few examples. In Matthew 8:2 we read &quot;And behold, there came a certain leper and WORSHIPPED Him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.&quot;

Agreeing with the King James Bible in that the leper came and WORSHIPPED the Lord Jesus are the following Bible translations: The older Catholic Douay Version 1950, Wycliffe 1395, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Bishops\' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the Revised Version of 1881, the ASV of 1901, Lamsa\'s translation of the Syriac Peshitta, the NKJV 1982 and the Third Millenium Bible. However the more modern Catholic Versions like St. Joseph NAB says &quot;did him homage&quot;, New Jerusalem bible 1985 has &quot;bowed in front of him&quot; as do the NET version, NIV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, NASB and Holman Standard., and the ISV (International Standard Version) has &quot;fell down before him.&quot; The Jehovah Witness New World Translation has &quot;began doing obeisance&quot;. The crucial difference is that a person may &quot;kneel before&quot; or &quot;bow down in front of&quot; or &quot;do obeisance to&quot; a mere human being who is a king or queen, but a Jew would only worship GOD!

The same thing occurs in Matthew 9:18 where a certain ruler of the synagogue came &quot;and WORSHIPPED HIM, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.&quot;
&quot;WORSHIPPED HIM&quot; is again found in the previous Catholic Douay Version, the Revised Version of 1881, the American Standard Version of 1901 (both of which were Critical text editions) Wycliffe, Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishops\' Bible, the Geneva Bible, Lamsa\'s translation of the Syriac, the NKJV and the Third Millenium Bible.  But once again we find the more modern Catholic Versions going with &quot;did him reverence&quot; St. Joseph NAB, &quot;bowed down in front of him&quot; New Jerusalem, NET version, NASB, and &quot;knelt before him&quot; RSV, NRSV, ESV, NIV, Holman, and &quot;fell down before him&quot; ISV. The J.W. version again has &quot;began doing obeisance&quot;.

In Matthew 15:25 a woman of Canaan comes to our Lord and &quot;WORSHIPPED HIM, saying, Lord, help me.&quot; &quot;WORSHIPPED him&quot; is found in the older Catholic Douay version, the Revised Version 1881, the ASV 1901, Wycliffe, Tyndale, Bishops\' Bible, the Geneva Bible, Lamsa\'s Syriac translation, the NKJV and the Third Millenium Bible 1998. But once again in the NET, New Jerusalem, NIV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Holman we read &quot;knelt before him&quot;, the NASB has &quot;bowed down before him&quot;, St. Joseph NAB has &quot;did him homage&quot;, J.W. version &quot;began doing obeisance&quot;  and the ISV &quot;fell down before him&quot;.

The last example, though there are several more just like this, is found in Matthew 20:20 where we read: &quot;Then came to him the mother of Zebedee\'s children with her sons WORSHIPPING him, and desiring a certain thing of him.&quot; Again &quot;WORSHIPPING him&quot; is found in Tyndale, Bishops\' Bible, the Geneva Bible, Lamsa\'s translation of the Peshitta, the Revised Version of 1881, the ASV 1901, the Catholic Douay of 1950 and the Third Millenium Bible of 1998.  However this time even the NKJV says &quot;kneeling down&quot; along with the NIV, Holman, RSV, NRSV, ESV, NET, while the NASB, ISV and New Jerusalem have &quot;bowing down&quot;, St. Joseph has &quot;do homage&quot; and the J.W. version has &quot;doing obeisance.&quot;

 Yet every single one of these bible versions translates the exact same word twice as &quot;worshipped&quot; in Revelation 13:4 where we read of the ungodly who refuse to repent of their sins during the Great Tribulation and of them it is written: &quot;And they WORSHIPPED the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they WORSHIPPED the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?&quot;  Even the J.W. version has &quot;worshiped&quot; here twice. So, why is it OK for all these modern versions to translate the same Greek word as &quot;worshipped&quot; when it comes to the dragon and the beast, but when the passage is speaking about the Lord Jesus Christ it now becomes some watered down, anemic &quot;knelt before&quot;, &quot;bowed before&quot; or &quot;do homage&quot;?

Nobody seriously believes that any of these modern versions are the complete and infallible words of God. God Himself is sending a famine of hearing the words of God and the falling away from the faith is gathering momentum with each passing day. But there are thousands of us born again, blood bought Christians who DO believe God has given us His complete and infallible Book in the King James Holy Bible.  One of the divine marks upon His true Book is how it exalts the Lord Jesus Christ as God manifest in the flesh, who has a name above every name, and who is worthy to be worshipped.  Any bible version that attempts to degrade, detract or downgrade His rightful glory and honour is just another fake bible version with Satan\'s fingerprints all over it.

Get yourself a copy of God\'s pure, inspired and 100% true words - the Authorized King James Holy Bible - and you can be sure that you have the true &quot;book of the LORD&quot;.  Accept no substitutes.  God bless. 

Will Kinney 

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2326', '95bf37d1a6', '', 'Hi guys, haven\'t been back in a little while and just checked this thread again.

When purchasing this Bible, I went on the word of the reviews and did not bother to check whether it was still a true PCE... what can I say except we all get very busy and it totally slipped my mind to do the checks.

[b:95bf37d1a6]I can confirm that this Bible is [u:95bf37d1a6]NOT PCE[/u:95bf37d1a6][/b:95bf37d1a6].

How sad. I left a review on Amazon warning others that this is not PCE.

Ah well, I\'ve been loving reading my new King James Bible, loving it so much in fact I had already made the decision on buying a KJV with centre columns and of far better quality.

I\'ve now got the perfect excuse... and so the new hunt begins... why does it have to be so difficult?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2327', '3068361e87', 'The Protector, 3 June 2012', '[img:3068361e87]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:3068361e87]

[color=red:3068361e87]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:3068361e87]

WELCOME! [i:3068361e87]The Protector[/i:3068361e87] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:3068361e87][color=darkblue:3068361e87]EDITORIAL[/color:3068361e87][/size:3068361e87]

DEBATING A MODERN VERSIONIST (PART 2).

In my continuing debate with a modern versionist, he continued quoting from The Translators of the King James Bible to attempt to undermine our confidence in it.

“That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?” (Proverbs 22:21).

The issue is, why are there margin notes in the King James Bible, and do they undermine the Scripture? The modern versionist argues for uncertainty, but those who know that the true Scripture is in the main text, and variations are in the margin.

The reason why the translators showed both renderings was because they were being honest, and not as the Papists, who hid these sorts of things. They said, &quot;They that are wise had rather have their judgments at liberty in differences of readings, than to be captivated to one, when it may be the other.&quot;

When they say “may be the other”, they were discussing different TRANSLATIONS in their margins, and then they rebuked the Vulgate for suppressing different READINGS in theirs. A different translation means how some people might interpret the passage. A different reading means whether or not those words are supposed to belong.

Thus, in regards to the Vulgate issue, they said, &quot;They that are wise had rather have their judgments at liberty in differences of readings, than to be captivated to one, when it may be the other.&quot;

What the KJB men were not saying is that they had failed to resolve their own translation. That was essentially the Romanist accusation against the KJB, that is, by displaying variants the Romanist would say that the Bible is unreliable. And yet, we read those against the KJB saying the very same things today.

And so, we find a very different approach being described by the translators, “Now in such a case doth not a margin do well to ADMONISH THE READER TO SEEK FURTHER”. Those who claim that the margins are in doubt never allow any resolution in this seeking. ... “and not to conclude or dogmatize upon this or that peremptorily?” We are not told not to conclude. Instead, we are shown that concluding is correct, but is the result of study and inquiry. In other words, the purpose of the margins was to ensure that readers of the KJB would know what actually is correct. After 400 years we think we know.

And more, “Therefore as St Augustine saith, that variety of translations is PROFITABLE FOR THE FINDING OUT OF THE SENSE of the Scriptures”. Those who insist on variety with no purpose but to have perpetual uncertainty are going against the whole spiritual operation of finding out the sense. We are not profited by being yet caught in perplexity as to margins and their significance. But we are profited when the sense is found out. The hundreds of years of testimony and Bible usage shows that the translators got their decisions right.

And so we know that “diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is not so clear, MUST NEEDS DO GOOD; yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded.” It does good because it is honest, because it shows what labours the translators did, and because it allows for proper historical approval on the correctness of the KJB. Something which modernists are against.

[size=18:3068361e87][color=darkblue:3068361e87]NEWS[/color:3068361e87][/size:3068361e87]

A sermon by Matthew Verschuur on the Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJB and Psalm 12.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/24-4-2012_final_edition_mv.mp3[/url]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:3068361e87]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:3068361e87]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:3068361e87][color=darkblue:3068361e87]DIRECTORY[/color:3068361e87][/size:3068361e87]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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[/color:f4fa67916f]
[quote:f4fa67916f=\"bornironkings\"]I purchased a PCE at bibletruthpublishers.com. 
... Collins Comfort Text Bible: TBS 1A #6973-61 (Features the &quot;Cambridge Pure Text&quot;) is a PCE.[/quote:f4fa67916f][color=darkblue:f4fa67916f] 
This looks to be by Collins either a recognition of the general PCE concept historically in Cambridge editions and/or an acknowlegdment of the editorial work and sense of the PCE edition labours.  (Depending on the timing of the use of the phrase.)

Shalom,
Steven Avery[/color:f4fa67916f]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2329', 'd80141a567', 'The Protector, 10 June 2012', '[img:d80141a567]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:d80141a567]

[color=red:d80141a567]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:d80141a567]

WELCOME! [i:d80141a567]The Protector[/i:d80141a567] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:d80141a567][color=darkblue:d80141a567]EDITORIAL[/color:d80141a567][/size:d80141a567]

KNOWING THAT WE HAVE THE CORRECT THINGS

Some people ask, “How do we know the Bible is true?” Obviously, we have to be able to give an answer. “But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear” (1 Peter 3:15).

It is important that people receive the truth when it is shown to them. “For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.” (1 Thess. 2:13).

The Word of God is spiritual, and so spiritual things can be said about it. However, in believing, we can also point to logical and natural arguments which support the truth of the Bible.

This same principle also applies to why we regard the King James Bible as the best version. And it is the same which can be applied to why the Pure Cambridge Edition is the best edition.

There are many different editions of the King James Bible. Of these editions, one is best. There are numerous reasons why the Pure Cambridge Edition is the correct edition of the King James Bible.

This means that if any difference in any edition is compared to the Pure Cambridge Edition, there will be a range of ways of testing or analysing which rendering is better or correct. It is possible to show that in most cases, the issue is in favour of the Cambridge. When the case is not strong, it will be neutral (for example, there is nothing much in arguing whether a word should be spelt “ax” or “axe”). However, it is always important to know that there is never a place where the Pure Cambridge Edition is wrong or inconsistent in comparison with other editions of the King James Bible.

[size=18:d80141a567][color=darkblue:d80141a567]NEWS[/color:d80141a567][/size:d80141a567]

A sermon by Matthew Verschuur on the Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJB and Psalm 12.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/24-4-2012_final_edition_mv.mp3[/url]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:d80141a567]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:d80141a567]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:d80141a567][color=darkblue:d80141a567]DIRECTORY[/color:d80141a567][/size:d80141a567]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2331', '238cde9193', 'Mark 10:24 &quot;for them that trust in riches&quot; -Script', 'Mark 10:24 &quot;Children, how hard it is FOR THEM THAT TRUST IN RICHES to enter into the kingdom of God.&quot;

The so called “science” of textual criticism is about as scientific as the Ouija Board.  In this study we will take a closer look at the utter confusion found among the modern bible versions in just one short chapter - Mark chapter 10. 
 
Mark 10:24  &quot;...But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it FOR THEM THAT TRUST IN RICHES to enter into the kingdom of God!&quot;
 
The whole meaning of the verse is changed by omitting these words.  Based on Sinaiticus and Vaticanus omitting them, versions like the NASB, RSV, NRSV, ESV 2001, NIV 1977 - 2011, NET and Holman Standard of 2003 read: &quot;Children, HOW HARD IT IS TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD!&quot;  No, it is quite easy to enter the kingdom of God;  Repent and believe the gospel.
 
All these words - &quot;for them that trust in riches&quot; - are found in the majority of all texts, including the Old Latin a, aur, b, d, f, ff2, l, q,  A, C, D, plus at least 21 other uncial copies, the Syriac Peshitta, Harkelian, Coptic Boharic, Gothic, Armenian, Georgian and Ethiopian ancient versions.  This is the ONLY time this phrase if found in this context in the entire Bible. Jesus either said it or He didn\'t, and He told us that heaven and earth would pass away but His words would not pass away. The question we need to ask ourselves is this: Do we have ALL of Jesus\'s inspired words and what God wants in His Book or only some of them?
 
The previous  Revised Version of 1881 and the American Standard Version of 1901 (both of which were Westcott-Hort based) included these words!!  The RV and ASV read: “Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!”
 
Agreeing with the King James Bible reading of “how hard it is FOR THEM THAT TRUST IN RICHES to enter the kingdom of God.” are:  Wycliffe 1395 - “And Jhesus eftsoone answeride, and seide `to hem, Ye litle children, hou hard it is for men that tristen in ritchessis to entre in to the kyngdom of God.”, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, Mace N.T. 1729, Wesley’s translation 1755, the RV 1885, ASV 1901, Darby, Young’s,  Weymouth’s translation 1902 (another WH critical text version), the Bible in Basic English 1960, New Life Bible 1969, Hebrew Names Version, World English Bible, the Amplified bible, the NKJV 1982, the Third Millenium Bible 1998 and the ISV of 2008.  
 
Among the Catholic versions we see the usual continual changes in the text.  The older Douay-Rheims Bible of 1582 as well as the Douay 1950 included the words saying: “Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches  to enter into the kingdom of God?”, BUT then then 1968 the Jerusalem bible, in 1970 the St. Joseph New American Bible and in 1985 the New Jerusalem bible all changed the verse to read: “Children, HOW HARD IT IS TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.” Oh, but wait! Now the latest 2009 Catholic Public Domain version has come out and they have once again put all these words back into their text!  This latest Catholic version now says: “Little sons, how difficult it is for those who trust in money to enter into the kingdom of God!&quot;
 
What is of interest here is that there are two new versions that have recently come out on the market - the Holman Christian Standard of 2003, put out by the Southern Baptists, and the ISV of 2008 (International Standard Version).  Well, the Holman version still omits &quot;for them that trust in riches&quot;, but guess what?  The ISV puts them back in!!  So the RV, ASV, and ISV include &quot;for them that trust in riches&quot;, but the RSV, NIV, NASB, ESV, and Holman omit them, and yet all these versions (the RV, ASV, ISV and the latest Catholic Public Domain Version) are put out by scholars who generally reject the Traditional Texts as found in the King James Bible. Modern scholarship is nothing if not consistently inconsistent.  They have NO settled and fixed text and NOBODY seriously believes that any of them are the complete, inspired and 100% true words of God. And they are right; they aren\'t!

Among foreign language Bibles that contain the phrase “them that trust in riches” are the Latin Vulgate 405 B.C. - “Iesus rursus respondens ait illis filioli quam difficile est confidentes in pecuniis regnum Dei introire”, Luther’s German Bible 1545 and the 2000 Schlaxchter Bible - &quot;Da begann Jesus wiederum und sprach zu ihnen: Kinder, wie schwer ist es für die, welche ihr Vertrauen auf Reichtum setzen, in das Reich Gottes hineinzukommen!&quot;, the French Martin 1744, Louis Segond 1910, 2007,  and French Ostervald 1996 - “Mes enfants, qu\'il est difficile à ceux qui se confient dans les richesses d\'entrer dans le royaume de Dieu!”, the Italian Diodati 1649, the Nuovo Diodati 1991 and the Nuova Riveduta 2006,  - “Figli, quanto è difficile, per coloro che confidano nelle ricchezze entrare nel regno di Dio.”, the Norwegian Det Norsk, Dutch Staten Vertaling, the Romanian Cornilescu, the Africaans Bible 1953, the Chinese Traditional Bible, the Modern Greek N.T., the Russian Synodal Bible and Russian Zhuromsky N.T., the Portuguese Almeida Corrijida e Fiel, and the Portuguese A Bíblia Sagrada - “Filhos, quão difícil é para os que confiam nas riquezas entrar no reino de Deus!, the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras 1569, and the Spanish Reina Valera 1909, 1960, 1995, -”¡Hijos, cuán dificil es entrar en el reino de Dios, los que confían en las riquezas!”
 
Bible commentator John Gill includes the words in his text and comments: &quot;How hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!&quot; This he said partly to confirm what he had before said, at which his disciples were astonished; and partly to explain it, as that he was to be understood of such that trusted in their riches, set their hearts upon them, and placed their hope and happiness in them: and the great difficulty, or rather impossibility of such, at least continuing so, entering into the kingdom of God.&quot;  Both John Calvin and John Wesley likewise include the words in their translations and expound upon them in like manner.
 
The Coffman Commentary of the New Testament also includes the words and he says: &quot;Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God.&quot; - &quot;In this elaboration of what he meant, Jesus distinguished between them that &quot;have riches&quot; and them that &quot;trust in riches,&quot; the latter being the great deterrent to entering God\'s kingdom. The same distinction was honored by the New Testament writers, Paul, for example, making &quot;the love of money&quot; and not merely &quot;money,&quot; to be the &quot;root of all kinds of evil&quot; (1 Timothy 6:10).&quot; 
 
Matthew Henry also includes the words and says: &quot;How hardly shall they who have riches enter into the kingdom of God! Mark 10:23. They have many temptations to grapple with, and many difficulties to get over, which lie not in the way of poor people. But he explains himself, Mark 10:24, where he calls the disciples children, because as such they should be taught by him, and portioned by him with better things than this young man left Christ to cleave to; and whereas he had said, How hardly will those who have riches get to heaven; here he tells them, that the danger arose not so much from their having riches as from their trusting to them, and placing their confidence in them, expecting protection, provision, and a portion from them.&quot;

We will now consider a few more examples taken from this same chapter of Mark 10 to illustrate the completely fickle, irrational and inconsistent ways the witches\' brew called &quot;the science of textual criticism&quot; REALLY works.

In Mark 10:6 we read: &quot;But from the beginning of the creation GOD made them male and female.&quot;
 
The word GOD is found in the Majority of all texts, including A and D and it is the reading found in the Old Latin a, aur, b, d, f, ff2, k, r1, l, q, the Vulgate, Syriac Peshitta, Palestinian, Harkelian, the Armenian, Georgian, Gothic and Ethiopic ancient versions.  However BOTH Sinaiticus and Vaticanus omit this word and so do the UBS, Nestle -Aland Greek critical texts, produced and published with the full backing and active participation of the Vatican.  The Revised Version and the American Standard Version also omit this word as does Dan Wallace\'s NET version; they all say &quot;he made them male and female&quot;.  I know that both God and &quot;he&quot; refer to the same God, but this is a textual matter. God inspired one text. Do we have the text God inspired or not? That is the question.
 
Though omitted from the previous RV, ASV, yet the word GOD is now included in the NASB (italics), and  also now back in the texts of the NIV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Holman, the Common English Bible 2011 and the ISV of 2008. So why do these modern versions omit literally hundreds of words including many whole verses from many places in the New Testament primarily on the testimony of Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, and yet NOT follow them in others? And they call this &quot;science&quot;!!!  The truth of the matter is that these so called &quot;oldest and best manuscripts&quot; are actually among the most corrupt and contradictory that not only often differ radically from the majority of Greek manuscripts but also from each other.  For proof of this see my study on these two manuscripts and see what they really say -
 
&quot;The oldest and best manuscripts?&quot; -
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/oldestandbestmss.htm 

Among the Catholic bible versions the word GOD is retained in the 1582 Douay-Rheims, the 1950 Douay, the 1968 Jerusalem bible and the 1970 St. Joseph NAB.  However the 1985 New Jerusalem now omits the word &quot;God&quot; and merely says &quot;he made them male and female&quot;, thus following the UBS, Nestle-Aland text, while all the others (NIV, NASB, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Holman, Common English Bible, ISV) do not follow either their so called &quot;oldest and best&quot; (Sinaiticus/Vaticanus) nor even their own UBS critical texts!
 
Mark 10:7 &quot;For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, AND CLEAVE TO HIS WIFE.&quot;
 
The words &quot;and cleave to his wife&quot; are missing from BOTH Sinaiticus and Vaticanus and the NASB and Dan Wallace\'s NET version.  The previous Nestle\'s text also omitted these words.  The new Holman Christian Standard puts these words in brackets.   However all these words are found in the Majority of all texts including A, C, D, the Old Latin a, aur, c, f, r1, b, d, ff1, l, q  the Vulgate, Syriac Peshitta, Harkelian, Coptic Boharic, Sahidic, Armenian, Ethiopian and Georgian ancient versions. and are now back in the Nestle text [but in brackets] and they are included in the RV 1885, ASV 1901,  NIV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, and the ISV (International Standard Version 2008) and the Common English Bible of 2011!! 
 
So once again we see the utter inconsistency and completely fickle nature of modern scholarship. Do you see how the &quot;scholars&quot; can\'t agree with each other and their own Greek texts keep changing?  They have no settled words of God, and what one group of scholars gives, another group takes away.
 
Mark 10:21 &quot;...sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor: and come, TAKE UP THE CROSS, and follow me.&quot;
 
The words &quot;take up the cross&quot; are in the majority of all texts including at least 19 uncial copies, and Alexandrinus, the Syriac Peshitta, Sinaitic, Harkelian, some Coptic Boharic and Sahidic copies, the Gothic, Old Latin a, q.  Once again, this is the ONLY time Jesus said these words in this context while speaking with the rich young ruler.  They are either inspired Scripture or they are not.  You cannot have it both ways.  He either said this or He didn\'t.  But the RV, ASV, NASB, NIV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, NET, Common English Bible, ISV and Holman, along with ALL Catholic bible versions omit the words &quot;take up the cross&quot; because they are not found in Vaticanus nor Sinaiticus, along with C and D.
 
If you look at either Dan Wallace\'s NET version, the ISV or the UBS critical Greek text, they don\'t even give you a critical footnote that tells you these words ARE found in the Majority of all remaining Greek texts we have today.  The words &quot;take up the cross&quot;  are included in Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Bishops\'s Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the NKJV 1982,  Mace\'s N.T. 1729, Wesley\'s translation 1755, Youngs, Webster\'s 1833, the NKJV 1982, Green\'s literal translation 2000, and the Third Millenium Bible 1998.  
 
Among foreign language Bibles that contain the words &quot;take up the cross&quot; are the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras 1569, the Spanish Reina Valera\'s of 1909, 1960, 1995, and the Reina Valera Gómez Bible of 2010 - &quot; y tendrás tesoro en el cielo; y ven, sígueme, tomando tu cruz.&quot;, Luther\'s German bible 1545 and the 2000 Schlachter Bible - &quot;und komm, nimm das Kreuz auf dich und folge mir nach!&quot;, the French Martin 1744, the French Ostervald 1996 and the French Louis Segond 2007 - &quot; suis-moi, en te chargeant de la croix.&quot;, the Italian Diodati 1649 and the Italian Nuova Riveduta of 2006,  - &quot;poi vieni, e tolta la tua croce, seguitami.&quot;, the Russian Synodal Version, the Africaans Bible 1953, the Romanian Cornilescu - &quot;Apoi vino, ia-&#355;i crucea, &#351;i urmeaz&#259;-M&#259;.&quot; the Portuguese Almeida Corrigida E Fiel - &quot; e vem, toma a cruz, e segue-me.&quot;and the Modern Greek - &quot;&#949;&#955;&#952;&#949;, &#945;&#954;&#959;&#955;&#959;&#965;&#952;&#949;&#953; &#956;&#959;&#953;, &#963;&#951;&#954;&#969;&#963;&#945;&#962; &#964;&#959;&#957; &#963;&#964;&#945;&#965;&#961;&#959;&#957;.&quot;  It is also found in the Greek New Testament used by the Greek Orthodox churches all over the world - &quot;&#964;&#941;&#954;&#957;&#945;, &#960;&#8182;&#962; &#948;&#973;&#963;&#954;&#959;&#955;&#972;&#957; &#7952;&#963;&#964;&#953; &#964;&#959;&#8058;&#962; &#960;&#949;&#960;&#959;&#953;&#952;&#972;&#964;&#945;&#962; &#7952;&#960;&#8054; &#967;&#961;&#942;&#956;&#945;&#963;&#953;&#957; &#949;&#7984;&#962; &#964;&#8052;&#957; &#946;&#945;&#963;&#953;&#955;&#949;&#943;&#945;&#957; &#964;&#959;&#8166; &#920;&#949;&#959;&#8166; &#949;&#7984;&#963;&#949;&#955;&#952;&#949;&#8150;&#957;·

Mark 10:26  &quot;And they were astonished out of measure, saying AMONG THEMSELVES, Who then can be saved?&quot;
 
The reading of &quot;saying AMONG THEMSELVES&quot; = &#955;&#941;&#947;&#959;&#957;&#964;&#949;&#962; &#960;&#961;&#8056;&#962; &#7953;&#945;&#965;&#964;&#959;&#973;&#962; -  is found in the majority of all texts, A, D, the Old Latin b, d, f, ff2, l, q, the Syriac Peshitta, Harkelian, Gothic, Armenian, Ethiopian and Georgian ancient versions. It is also the reading found in the Nestle Aland, UBS Greek texts.  However Sinaiticus and Vaticanus read: &quot;saying TO HIM&quot;  = &#955;&#941;&#947;&#959;&#957;&#964;&#949;&#962; &#960;&#961;&#8056;&#962; &#945;&#8016;&#964;&#972;&#957; (that is, to Jesus), instead of &quot;saying among themselves&quot; and so do the RV, ASV, RSV, NASB, and the ESV.  However the NIV, NET, the NRSV 1989 and the three new ones that have come out recently, the Holman Standard 2003, the ISV 2008 and the Common English Bible 2011 (All critical text versions) read &quot;saying among themselves&quot; like the King James Bible, NKJV 1982 and Wycliffe, Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishops\' Bible and the Geneva Bible. Notice again that the RSV went with &quot;to him&quot;, then the NRSV changed to &quot;among themselves&quot; and then the ESV (the revision of the revision of the revision) went back to &quot;said to him&quot;. It should be repeated once again - the modern versions have NO settled text and they willy nilly change from one revision to the next, sometimes following a certain reading and then changing their minds and following another, NOT because of any &quot;new textual evidence&quot; or &quot;scientific principle&quot; but simply out of a whimsical desire for something &quot;new and different&quot; and they are tossed to and fro with every passing wind of change to come along.  NOBODY seriously believes that ANY of these modern versions are the complete, inspired and infallible words of the living God.  Who do you think wants you not believe in the infallibility of &quot;the Bible&quot;?  Can you guess his name? (Rolling Stones - Sympathy for the Devil) He\'s right there in Genesis chapter 3 with the very first question found in the entire Bible - &quot;Yeah, hath God said...?&quot;

Get yourself a King James Holy Bible, the one God honors and the devil hates, and the only Bible believed by thousands of blood bought saints of God to be the pure, inspired and 100% true and unchangeable words of the living God who promised that &quot;heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away&quot;.
 
All of grace, believing the Book,
 
Will Kinney
 
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“If we would destroy the Christian religion, we must first of all destroy man’s belief in the Bible.”  Voltaire - ex French philosopher and former atheist.');
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Sadly, we are in a time in history when there is much rebellion towards the words of God. When the Church should be co-operating with the Lord, there is instead rebellion and people in the midst even saying that the King James Bible should be abandoned - only rebellious, strife-filled people say this.

&quot;For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?&quot; (1 Peter 4:17).

Praise the Lord that there are still some churches that do stand for the purity of God\'s Word.');
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Well my search continued today for a PCE KJV, interesting to note that I found two new Pitt Minions from Baker Publishing Group which have a publication date of January 2013.

There\'s no information about them yet, except that one is imitation leather and is listed as under $60.
KJ442:X
ISBN-10: 1107649404

And the other has goatskin leather, is printed in the US, and will retail at about the $100 mark.
KJ446:X
ISBN-10: 1107665027

No info about these on the CUP or Baker website yet, but they are listed on many bookseller websites, without images or descriptions.

Thought I\'d list them here so we can keep an eye out for new information as it becomes available on these two new Bibles, and hope and pray they are PCE.');
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IS THE TRANSLATION OF THE SAINTS BEFORE THE FINAL TRIBULATION?

In Matthew 24, we find that various things are taught by Jesus in regards to events in history, and His second coming. It is clear from the Bible that the second coming of Christ is in two stages. It is also clear that there will be a translation of the saints in the first part of the second coming.

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” (1 Cor. 15:51, 52).

People have questioned whether there is a translation of the saints, or rapture, because they cannot properly reconcile the scriptures. They are mistaken because they do not understand the nature of Bible prophecy.

They say that the seven trumpets of Revelation are after the rapture, and the seventh is at or after Armageddon. So, when they see 1 Corinthians say “last trump”, they think that the “translation” and transformation of the saints from earth to the air must happen at or after Armageddon.

But in reality, the seven trumpets should be interpreted to have first occurred throughout Church history, and that means that the seventh trumpet would occur at the translation, and in this, it would be the last trump. After this, there would be a seven year tribulation where much of the Book of Revelation is fulfilled again literally, where the saints are now with the Lord in heaven.

This means that there is more than one “tribulation”. There is the “great tribulation” of the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD, there is the “tribulation” in general in Church history, and then there is a future tribulation. That is why Mark said, “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light” (Mark 13:24). There are different tribulations, not just the one which goes for seven years between the translation of the saints and Armageddon.

See a timeline here: http://www.bibleprotector.com/prophecy

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A sermon by Matthew Verschuur on the Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJB and Psalm 12.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/24-4-2012_final_edition_mv.mp3[/url]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:103d77ed0f]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:103d77ed0f]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
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The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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WELCOME! [i:99d64d3f43]The Protector[/i:99d64d3f43] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:99d64d3f43][color=darkblue:99d64d3f43]EDITORIAL[/color:99d64d3f43][/size:99d64d3f43]

ONE EXACT ENGLISH BIBLE FOR THE WORLDWIDE CHURCH

When the King James Bible is examined, it is found to be very precise. By this we mean the very wordings used.

The Bible tells us to open the Bible (see Acts 17:3), to read it (see 1 Thess. 5:22), search it (see John 5:39) and study (see 2 Timothy 2:15).

There is no doctrinal reason why this meant that we would need to look back at the original languages, since the Bible is present in English now. Enough time has passed and enough witness is available that we may rely upon the King James Bible itself as our ONLY form of Scripture, and study it alone, and use it exclusively.

Are we missing out on something by forsaking the Hebrew and Greek? Nothing at all, for we are told that the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of truth, is teaching us.

The other side to this is that not only will we be not led astray, and link into the precise truth as communicated in the King James Bible, but would also be the very final standard for correct doctrine.

“Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ” (Eph. 4:13).

Unity requires having common assent as to what the very words of God actually are. We are going to be closer to true doctrinal unity the more we come to acknowledge the King James Bible as the worldwide standard of the Christian faith for the future.

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A sermon by Matthew Verschuur on the Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJB and Psalm 12.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/24-4-2012_final_edition_mv.mp3[/url]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:99d64d3f43]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:99d64d3f43]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

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Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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The book of Romans, just as every other New Testament book, is full of examples where the two so called oldest and best manuscripts (Sinaiticus and Vaticanus) are at odds with each other. Most Christians today do NOT believe that ANY Bible in ANY language IS or ever has been the complete, inspired and 100% true preserved words of the living God. The purpose of this textual study in the book of Romans is to show in black and white the true and unsettling nature of what today\'s &quot;scholars&quot; call the &quot;science&quot; of Textual Criticism. No reading is sure. Everything is unsettled and in a state of constant flux. And the end result is that more and more people end up abandoning the belief in the Inerrancy of Scripture.

To see many more concrete examples of what the allegedly &quot;oldest and best&quot; manuscripts are really like, see this comparative study here -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/oldestandbestmss.htm

May I also recommend the article called &quot;Is King James Bible Onlyism Scriptural? -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/kjbonlyismscriptural.htm

Without exception, any modern version promoter who tries to tell you that our King James Bible is based on just a few late manuscripts, and that in the last few years we have made many important textual discoveries, is full of hot air. He himself does not believe that any Bible in any language is now the inspired, complete and 100% true &quot;book of the LORD&quot;.

We don\'t have to look far before we run into the first example of where these two false witnesses, upon which most modern versions are based, disagree with each other. The first example is found in the Romans 1:1. I admit that this particular textual change does not alter the essential meaning of the verse, but it does begin to chip away at the idea of an inspired Bible. God does not inspire two different readings in the same place. Either one is what God inspired and the other is not, or neither one of them is what God caused to be written. Keep going in the study and you will see that the differences become far more pronounced and critical.

Romans 1:1 reads: &quot;Paul, a servant of JESUS CHRIST, called to be an apostle...&quot;. Here the majority of all Greek texts read JESUS CHRIST, and so does Sinaiticus. In fact, so too do Wycliffe, Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishops\', the Geneva Bible, the RV of 1881, ASV of 1901, Douay, NKJV, and even the RSV and NRSV. So too does the up and coming ISV (International Standard Version.)

However Vaticanus reverses the order and says: CHRIST JESUS and so too do the NASB, NIV, NET and the ESV. The same is seen among the various Catholic Versions. The earlier Douay-Rheims of 1582 and the Douay of 1950 both read JESUS CHRIST,  but the 1970 St. Joseph NAB and the New Jerusalem bible of 1985 now says CHRIST JESUS, following the Vatican mss.

Romans 1:16 &quot;...to the Jew FIRST (prooton) and also to the Greek.&quot; Here Vaticanus omits the word FIRST, but it is found in Sinaiticus and in most versions.

Romans 2:16 &quot;In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by JESUS CHRIST according to my gospel.&quot; Again the reading of JESUS CHRIST is that of the majority of all texts including Sinaiticus correction and A. It is also the reading of Wycliffe, Bishops, Tyndale, Coverdale, Geneva, NKJV, the RV, ASV, NRSV and the NIV. This time the NIV went the other way from what it did in verse One and now goes with the Sinaiticus reading instead of the Vatican.

However Vaticanus again reverses the order and says CHRIST JESUS, and now also do the NASB, RSV, NET and the ESV. Notice that the previous ASV read like the KJB, but then the NASB changed it, and that the RSV and ESV now follow Vaticanus, but the NRSV didn\'t.  Likewise the Catholic Douay 1950 goes with JESUS CHRIST, then the 1970 St. Joseph changed it to CHRIST JESUS, but then the 1985 New Jerusalem went back to JESUS CHRIST. This whole process is very &quot;scientific&quot; don\'t ya know.

Romans 3:2 &quot;...chiefly, BECAUSE (gar) unto them were committed the oracles of God.&quot; Here the little word BECAUSE is found in the majority of all texts as well as Sinaiticus, and is in the Geneva Bible, the Douay-Rheims, the NKJV, NRSV and Youngs but Vaticanus omits it and so do the NASB, NIV, ESV, NET and the newer Catholic versions like the St. Joseph NAB and New Jerusalem bible.

Romans 4:19 &quot;And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body NOW (eede) dead...&quot;. The little word &quot;now&quot; is found in the majority of all texts including Sinaiticus, A, C, D, and is in Wycliffe, Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishops, Geneva, KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV, NASB and the NRSV.

However Vaticanus omits the word and so do the NIV, RSV, ESV, NET and Holman. Westcott-Hort used to omit the word entirely, but now the latest UBS critical text puts it back in but within brackets. Notice that the RSV omitted it, then the NRSV put it back in, and then the ESV once again has taken it out. But wait! The new 2007 ISV is out and they have put it back in again!

Romans 5:2 &quot;By whom we have access BY FAITH into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.&quot;

The words &quot;by faith&quot; are found in the Majority of all texts including Sinaiticus, A and C, and the words are still found in the NASB, NIV, NET and ESV. However Vaticanus omits the words &quot;by faith&quot; and so do the RSV, NRSV and the New English Bible 1970. Again, notice that the previous RSV, NRSV\'s omitted the words, but now the latest revision of the revision of the revision (ESV) has once again put them back in their text.

Romans 6:11 &quot;Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ OUR LORD.&quot;

The final words &quot;our Lord&quot; are in the majority of all texts including Sinaiticus and C, as well as some Old Latin copies, the Syriac Peshitta, Palestinian, Coptic Boharic, Georgian, Armenian, Ethiopic and Slavonic ancient versions.

The words are also in Wycliffe, Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishops, Geneva, KJB, NKJV, Hebrew Names Version, Spanish Reina Valera, and many others. But Vaticanus omits the words &quot;our Lord&quot; and so do the RV, ASV, NASB, NIV, RSV, ESV , NET and Holman versions. Even though the reading is found in Sinaiticus, the modern versionists unite in following the Vatican manuscript here.

Romans 8:1 &quot;There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.&quot;

There is tremendous confusion among the Greek texts for the reading of this verse. All the capitalized words are found in the Majority of Greek texts, including Sinaiticus correction, D correction, some Old Latin copies like ar and o, the Syriac Harkelian, Georgian and Slavonic ancient versions.

Agreeing with the full reading found in the Majority of Greek texts and the King James Bible are Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, Bishops\' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1599, Luther 1545, Italian Diodati 1649, the Spanish Reina Valera 1602 - 1995, Young\'s, the NKJV, KJV 21st Century, Green\'s MKJV, World English Bible, Amplified Bible, and the Modern Greek Bible.

However Sinaiticus original, and Vaticanus omit all these words and so do versions like the ASV, NASB, NIV, RSV, ESV, NET and Holman Standard.

Manuscripts A and D original have part of the words and omit the others. These include &quot;who walk not after the flesh&quot;, but omit &quot;but after the Spirit&quot;. The Catholic Douay-Rheims of 1582 and the 1950 Douay versions read this way, but the more recent Catholic versions like the St. Joseph NAB and the Jerusalem Bible now read like the NASB, NIV, and ESV and omit all the words  - &quot;who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit.&quot; from the last part of the verse.

So, in other words, it is mainly because of the Vatican manuscript that modern versions like the NASB, NIV, RSV, NET, Holman Standard and the more modern Catholic versions unite in omitting the whole last phrase &quot;who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.&quot;

Romans 8:2 &quot;For the law of the Spirit of life hath made ME free from the law of sin and death.&quot;
Here again is where the multitude of conflicting modern versions strut their stuff. The reading of &quot;made ME free&quot; is found in the Majority of all texts including A, C, D, the Old Latin copies of d, dem, e, mon, x and z. So too the Syriac Harkelian, Coptic Sahidic, Gothic, Armenian, Geogian and Slavonic ancient versions.

Agreeing with the KJB reading of &quot;made ME free&quot; are Wycliffe, Tyndale, Bishops, Coverdale, Geneva, NKJV, Youngs, Amplified Bible, and Douay.

Not even the early revisions went along with the Sinaitic/Vaticanus reading, nor do all the modern ones either. The Revised Version 1881, American Standard Version 1901, and the RSV of 1952 all kept the reading of &quot;made ME free&quot;, and so too do the NIV and the brand new ISV (International Standard Version.) 

But Sinaiticus and Vaticanus have the reading of &quot;made YOU free&quot;, and so read the NASB, NRSV, ESV, NET and Holman Standard. Thus the new versions are not even in agreement with each other. Oh wait! There\'s more. The NIV editions from 1974, 1978 and 1984 all read: &quot;set ME free from the law of sin&quot;, but now in the 2011 New NIV the have changed their underlying Greek text (as they have done in several places from the 1984 edition) and it now reads: &quot;has set YOU free&quot;. Among the Catholic Versions we see the same thing. The earlier Douay-Rheims and the Douay 1950 read &quot;set ME free&quot;.  Then the St. Joseph NAB 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible of 1985 went with &quot;set YOU free&quot;, but then again in 2009 the Catholic Public Domain version has once again gone back to &quot;set ME free&quot;. This is the true nature of what our scholarly bible agnostics like to call the &quot;science&quot; of textual criticism, and they hope you will fall for it so that you can end up just as confused as they are.

Romans 8:28 &quot;And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.&quot;

So read the Majority of all texts including Sinaiticus, as well as translations like Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishops, Geneva, NKJV, the Revised Version, American Standard version 1901, and the ESV.

However Vaticanus has an additional reading not even found in Sinaiticus and some modern versions like the NASB follow it instead. The NASB ALONE reads: &quot;And we know that GOD causes all things to work together for good to those who love GOD, to those who are called according to His purpose.&quot; This additional word &quot;GOD causes all things to work&quot; was originally left out even by Westcott and Hort. Then it was later added to the Nestle text in brackets, and later on once again removed from their text. The latest Nestle-Aland, UBS text omits this extra word taken from Vaticanus and still found in the NASB\'s 1963 to 1995 editions.

The NIV follows no known Greek text here and reads like the previous RSV: &quot;And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love HIM, who have been called according to his purpose.&quot;  The NIV apparently adopted the first &quot;God&quot; found in Vaticanus, which almost everybody else omits, and then arbitrarily dropped the word God from the phrase - &quot;to them that love GOD&quot;  in this verse. They just made up a text. Oh, hang on a minute! Guess who else reads like the NIV?  The older Catholic Douay-Rheims and the Douay read like the Majority of texts and the KJB, but now the St. Joseph NAB 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible 1985 read just like the NIV. St. Joseph NAB says: &quot;We know that GOD makes all things work together for the good of those who love HIM&quot; and the NIV says: &quot;And we know that GOD works for the good of those who love HIM&quot;. 

But now the newer NRSV, the latest ESV, and the Holman Standard have all gone back to the reading found in the King James Bible - &quot;And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.&quot; - ESV.  See how the game works, now?

Romans 8:34 &quot;Who is he that condemneth? It is CHRIST that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God...&quot; So read the Majority of all texts, as well as Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishops, Geneva, NKJV and even Dan Wallace\'s NET version. However Sinaiticus adds an extra word &quot;Jesus&quot; to the text, though not found in Vaticanus.

Versions like the ASV, NASB, NIV, ESV, RSV and Holman all add the word JESUS based on Sinaiticus. and end up saying  &quot;CHRIST JESUS who died&quot;.  However in this same verse Sinaiticus also adds additional words to the text, that are not found in the Majority nor in Vaticanus. The Sinaiticus mss. goes on to say: &quot;that is risen again FROM THE DEAD&quot;. (ek nekroon).

So the continuing confusion is seen in that the RV, ASV and RSV all added both the extra word &quot;Jesus&quot; AND the words &quot;that is risen again FROM THE DEAD&quot;, based on the Sinaiticus reading. But wait! Now the revisions of their predecessors have once again &quot;scientifically&quot; decided to omit these extra words from Sinaiticus, (but keep the extra word &quot;Jesus&quot;) and so versions like the NASB, NIV, NRSV and ESV now read &quot; it is Christ JESUS ...who was raised&quot; (thus omitting &quot;from the dead&quot;) But Dan Wallace\'s NET version didn\'t add the extra word &quot;Jesus&quot; like the others did.  If you are beginning the think the &quot;science&quot; of textual criticism is a bit complicated, you\'re right. It is.

The new versions now go back and forth between Sinaiticus and Vaticanus readings in the very same verse. God only knows what will come down the pike next. Daniel Wallace\'s NET version and the Contemporary English Version 1995 have already done away with the extra word &quot;Jesus&quot;. This is the true nature of &quot;the art and science&quot; of textual criticism.

Romans 8:35 &quot;Who shall separate us from the love OF CHRIST?&quot;. Again, so read the majority of all texts, and this time even versions like the NASB, NIV, ESV, RSV and Holman say &quot;the love of CHRIST&quot;. BUT, the Sinaiticus manuscript says &quot;the love of GOD&quot;, while the Vaticanus mss. says &quot;the love of GOD IN CHRIST JESUS&quot;. I wonder what would James White have to say about these &quot;expansions of piety&quot;. In any event, we see that none of the versions follow the conflicting &quot;oldest and best manuscripts&quot; in this particular verse, though they HAVE omitted THOUSANDS of other words from the New Testament, based on these same two false witnesses, and then have the nerve to call this &quot;science&quot;!!

Romans 10:3 &quot;For they being ignorant of God\'s righteousness, and going about to establish their own RIGHTEOUSNESS, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.&quot;

The word &quot;righteousness&quot; is found three times in this verse in the majority of all texts, including Sinaiticus and in all previous English Bibles like Wycliffe, Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishops\', Geneva. It is also found in the NKJV, and more recently in the Holman Standard, the 2011 Common English Bible (a critical text version) and even Wallace\'s NET version.

However Vaticanus omits the middle word &quot;righteousness&quot; and the NASB, RSV, NIV, ESV and ISV omit the word saying &quot;seeking to establish their own&quot;. Westcott and Hort originally included the word, then later Nestle\'s took it out, but then the latest Nestle-Aland Critical text has once again put the word back in their texts.  ALL the Catholic versions follow the Vatican manuscript here and omit one of the three words translated as &quot;righteousness&quot; or &quot;justice&quot;.

Romans 11:6 &quot;And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. BUT IF IT BE OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO MORE GRACE; OTHERWISE WORK IS NO MORE WORK.&quot;

So read Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishops bible, the Geneva Bible, Wesley\'s translation, Youngs,  the NKJV,  Lamsa\'s translation of the Syriac Peshitta, the Third Millenium Bible 1998, the Spanish Reina Valera 1995, Italian Diodati 1991, French Ostervald 1996,  German Schlachter 2000 and many other translations throughout the world.

The absurdity of calling Sinaiticus and Vaticanus the &quot;best&quot; manuscripts is fully revealed in this great verse. All the capitalized words are found in the majority of all Greek texts, and even in the Sinaiticus correction. When we examine the Vaticanus manuscript we find an amazing blunder right on the surface. Vaticanus turns things on its head saying: &quot;But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no longer GRACE.&quot;!!!

Primarily on the basis of A, C and D (which also constantly disagree not only with the majority of texts, but also among themselves) versions like the NASB, NIV, RSV, ESV, ISV, NET and Holman have omitted all these words &quot;BUT IF IT BE OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO MORE GRACE; OTHERWISE WORK IS NO MORE WORK.&quot; So too do ALL Catholic versions like the Douay-Rheims, St. Joseph NAB and the New Jerusalem bible 1985.

Romans 13:9 &quot;...Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, Thou shalt not covet...&quot; The words &quot;Thou shalt not bear false witness&quot; are found in multiple manuscripts and ancient versions like the Old Latin, the Syriac Harkelian, Coptic Boharic, Armenian and Ethiopic. They are also in Sinaiticus. They are included in all English Bibles from Wycliffe, Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishops\', the Geneva Bible, Wesley\'s translation, Youngs, New Life Version, the NKJV 1982, and the Third Millenium Bible 1998. However Vaticanus omits these words and so do the versions from the Revised Version, to the NASB, RSV, ESV, NIV, ISV, NET and Holman Standard. 

Once again, the Catholic versions continue to change among themselves.  The previous Douay-Rheims of 1582 contained all these words, saying: &quot;For Thou shalt not commit adultery: Thou shalt not kill: Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness: Thou shalt not covet:&quot;; BUT then the 1950 Douay omitted them followed by the St. Joseph NAB and the New Jerusalem bible.  But now the 2009 Sacred Bible Catholic Public Domain Version has put them back in the text.

Romans 14:21 - &quot;It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, OR IS OFFENDED, OR IS MADE WEAK.&quot; The capitalized words are again found in the Majority of all Greek texts and even in Vaticanus, plus the Sinaiticus correction, P46 and D. They are found in Wycliffe, Tyndale, Coverdale, Bishops, Geneva, Douay-Rheims,  Darby, Youngs, Green\'s, the NKJV and the Third Millenium Bible. Even some modern  Critical Text versions that usually follow the Westcott-Hort text include the words. Among these are the Amplified Bible (put out by the same people who give us the NASB), the brand new ISV (International Standard Version),the Lexham English Bible of 2012 and, in this instance, all the Catholic bible translations like the Douay, St. Joseph NAB, New Jerusalem bible 1985 and the 2009 Catholic Public Domain Version of 2009.  The words are also included in the German Schlachter of 2000, the New Diodati 1991 and New Riveduta of 2008, the Portuguese A Biblia Sagrada, the French Ostervald of 1996 and the French Louis Segond 21 of 2007 and the Spanish Reina Valera of 1995 and the RV Contemporánea of 2011. In spite of all this evidence, versions like the RV, NASB, RSV, ESV, NIV, NET and Holman  follow mainly two manuscripts (A and C) and omit  the words &quot;or is offended, or is made weak&quot; - all done on a strict &quot;scientific method&quot; don\'t ya know ;-)

Dan Wallace\'s NET version also omits all these words and then has one of the goofiest justifications for tampering with the text that you will find.  He says: &quot;A large number of mss, some of them quite important (Ì46vid &#1488;2 B D F G &#936; 0209 33 1881 Ï lat sa), read “or to be offended or to be made weak” after “to stumble.” The shorter reading “to stumble” is found only in Alexandrian mss (&#1488;* A C 048 81 945 1506 1739 pc bo). Although external evidence favors inclusion, internal evidence points to a scribal expansion, perhaps reminiscent of 1 Cor 8:11-13. The shorter reading is therefore preferred.&quot;  In other words, in spite of massive and widespread and ancient evidence for this reading, on the basis of a couple of manuscripts and some very creative speculation on Wallace\'s part, he deletes these words from the Bible text.

Romans 15:7 &quot;Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received US to the glory of God.&quot; &quot;received US&quot; is the reading of the majority of Greek texts including Vaticanus and D. It is also the reading of the previous Westcott-Hort, and the Nestle Critical texts. I have a Nestle 4th edition 1934 copy, and it clearly says US in the text. This is also the reading of the Geneva Bible, Tyndale, Wesley\'s translation, Youngs,  NKJV AND the NASB.

However Sinaiticus, A and C read &quot;received YOU&quot; and now the newer Nestle critical texts have &quot;scientifically&quot; changed their previous reading and decided to now follow Sinaiticus and so versions like the RSV, ESV, NIV, NET, ISV, Holman Standard and all Catholic versions  say &quot;received YOU&quot;.

The final reading we will consider in the book of Romans reveals the blatant absurdity of this so called &quot;art and science of textual criticism&quot;. This is a mind blower. You may not even believe it, but it is true and is well documented. The so called Critical Text has actually changed FOUR times over the last hundred years, and the multiple choice &quot;Bible of the Month Club&quot; versions make this confusion very clear.

Romans 15:19 &quot;Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the SPIRIT OF GOD...&quot; The reading of &quot;the SPIRIT OF GOD&quot; is that of the Majority of all texts including P46 and Sinaiticus. Westcott and Hort originally had &quot;power of Spirit [holy]&quot; with &quot;holy&quot; in brackets. However just a few years later (4th edition, 1934) they changed their critical text to read &quot;the power OF THE HOLY Spirit&quot; with no brackets, all based on the reading of Alexandrinus, and the Revised Version 1881, American Standard Versions of 1901 and the RSV 1952 read this way - &quot;the HOLY Spirit&quot;. The Vaticanus copy differs from the others in that it only says &quot;the power of the SPIRIT&quot;, omitting both &quot;God&quot; or &quot;holy&quot;.

Then the Nestle-Aland again changed their text to omit the word &quot;holy&quot; and it merely read &quot;power of the Spirit&quot; (thus following the Vaticanus mss.) and so read the NIV 1973, 1978 and 1984 editions and the NASB. But wait. There\'s more. Now the Nestle-Aland scholars have once again changed their minds and have now gone back to reading like the KJB had it all the time. The UBS 4th edition now reads &quot;power of the SPIRIT OF GOD&quot;, and now so do the NRSV, ESV, ISV, Holman Standard,  the NET version AND the &quot;new&quot; New International Version of 2011 has once again changed its underlying Greek text and now reads like the KJB has always had it - &quot;the power of the Spirit OF GOD&quot;.

These are the FACTS and anyone can verify them for themselves. The next time you hear somebody who does not believe that ANY Bible in ANY language IS NOW the inspired and 100% true Holy Bible try to talk you into abandoning your King James Bible in favor of &quot;the latest findings of the art and science of Textual Cricitism&quot;, tell him to go fly a kite.

Will Kinney

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DOES ANYTHING HAVE TO HAPPEN BEFORE JESUS RETURNS?

The Bible tells us that Jesus is coming back to Earth. We find that He is to come in the clouds.

But are there things which should occur before the return of Jesus? The answer is yes, and we should see those things coming to pass.

There are three main categories of things which need to be fulfilled. The first is the invasion of Israel by northern forces as spoken of in Ezekiel 38 and 39. There are a lot of other references in other passages too.

The second is the Church needs to come into a higher place in its unity and power. Jesus said that He is building the Church. “Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ” (Ephesians 4:13). Again, there are a lot of references to the sanctifying and cleansing of the Church throughout the Bible.

The third area is that we need to see a greater level of evangelism (see Matt. 24:14 / Rom. 16:26 / Matt. 28:19, 20), including Jewish and Gentile conversions. A more astounding effect of this is that the Church should actually gain material power. Isaiah 60 speaks of a flow of wealth, and James 5 speaks of restoration to the robbed people.

“29 ¶ And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; 
30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. 
31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. 
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. 
33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. 
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
— Luke chapter 21.

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For example the King James Bible has notes with the following abbreviations

Heb  denoting Hebrew    a more literal translation of the Hebrew
Chal  denoting Chaldee  a more literal translation of the Chaldee
Gk     denoting Greek     a more literal translation of the Greek
Or      denoting another translation of a word used 

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What are the differences between a PCE published by Collins and by Cambridge?

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A: Various reference editions, such as Cambridge Pitt Minion, and other have them.

Q: The New Cambridge Paragraph Bible distinguishes the translators notes in the margin found in the AV 1611 and the ones added in 1769.

A: I am not sure about that, or how that is done, but the ones from 1611 have been added to over the years, including in 1769, these are the proper ones today. The NCPB is not the standard representation.

Q: For example the King James Bible has notes with the following abbreviations 

Heb denoting Hebrew a more literal translation of the Hebrew 
Chal denoting Chaldee a more literal translation of the Chaldee 
Gk denoting Greek a more literal translation of the Greek 
Or denoting another translation of a word used

A: These are the notes available in various reference editions, including Cambridge and Oxford.

Q: Where can I find a King James Bible with the correct translators notes found in the marginal or the center column/centre column

A: Although new ones can still be purchased with these notes, they are not PCE. You can get secondhand copies with these notes which are PCE (and plenty of secondhand copies have these notes in other non-PCE forms).

Q: What are the differences between a PCE published by Collins and by Cambridge?

A: In regards to the margins, quite different. In regards to pronuncatation marks, a few differences in what words are marked. In regards to spelling and wording, a few minor things can be observed.

Genesis 41:56
And Joseph
Pitt Minion, various Cambridges, Bible Protector
and Joseph
Cameo, various Cambridges, Collins

Genesis 46:12
Zerah
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Zarah
Some Collins

1 Chronicles 2:55
Hemath
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Hammath
Pitt Minion, Ruby

Joshua 17:11
Endor
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En-dor
Pitt Minion

1 Chronicles 14:10
and wilt
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And wilt
Collins

Song of Sol. 6:12
Amminadib
Cameo, Pitt Minion, Collins, Bible Protector
Ammi-nadib
Ruby

Matthew 27:46
Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani
Cameo, Collins, Bible Protector
ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI
Pitt Minion

Mark 5:41
Talitha cumi
Cameo, Collins, Bible Protector
TALITHA CUMI
Pitt Minion

Mark 7:34
Ephphatha
Cameo, Collins, Bible Protector
EPHPHATHA
Pitt Minion

Mark 15:34
Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani
Cameo, Collins, Bible Protector
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI
Pitt Minion

1 Corinthians 4:15
instructors
Cameo, Pitt Minion, Collins, Bible Protector
instructers
Collins Clear Type 8vo, some other Collins

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I checked on Amazon and the ISBN Numbers match but there are not 920 pages but 875. But I found mine at Barnes and Noble in Fla. Here is the rest of the info.

Skyhorse Publishing
Compilation 2000 by lionheart Books LTD
Digital Images 2000 by lionheart Books LTD

Skyhorse Publishing
307 West 36th Street 11th Floor
New York, NY 10018
Library of Congress Catalog

ISBN 978-1-61608-472-1

Its only talk about the text being from the latin Vulgate commissioned by federigo di montefeltro duke of Urbino 1422-1482

Again, it is in King James Version.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2341', 'a5048c722f', '', 'OK well I bought the last ones, If anyone is interested in purchasing one let me know.

There is a typo in Rom 15:5 it says mikeminded and should be likeminded. Just change the m to L.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2342', '690eace50f', 'The Protector, 8 July 2012', '[img:690eace50f]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:690eace50f]

[color=red:690eace50f]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:690eace50f]

WELCOME! [i:690eace50f]The Protector[/i:690eace50f] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:690eace50f][color=darkblue:690eace50f]EDITORIAL[/color:690eace50f][/size:690eace50f]

DOES BIBLE HAVE MUCH TO SAY ABOUT THE CHURCH ERA?

Some people view Church history as a mere interlude, and speak of an age of grace, where there are not many Bible prophecies to be fulfilled. They see a virtual silence on prophecies regarding the Church from the time of the Apostles to the time of the return of Christ.

However, this is an incorrect view, as there is much in the Bible which relates to Church history and the present time. Consider the wording of Revelation 1:1, “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John”.

It is very important to see that things written there were not merely intended for some far off period of time, but were also relevant for Christians through history.

There seems to be a belief among some that the Bible was talking to people in the past, and talks about things in the future, but has little to say about today.

“For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” (Romans 15:4).

The application of this passage is the teaching that the Scripture is relevant for today. The point of the New Testament is that we should think that God’s Word is more than ever relevant, “ But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ” (Jude verse 17).

[size=18:690eace50f][color=darkblue:690eace50f]NEWS[/color:690eace50f][/size:690eace50f]

A sermon by Matthew Verschuur on the Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJB and Psalm 12.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/24-4-2012_final_edition_mv.mp3[/url]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:690eace50f]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:690eace50f]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:690eace50f][color=darkblue:690eace50f]DIRECTORY[/color:690eace50f][/size:690eace50f]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2343', '350d03dd1f', 'The Protector, 15 July 2012', '[img:350d03dd1f]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:350d03dd1f]

[color=red:350d03dd1f]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:350d03dd1f]

WELCOME! [i:350d03dd1f]The Protector[/i:350d03dd1f] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:350d03dd1f][color=darkblue:350d03dd1f]EDITORIAL[/color:350d03dd1f][/size:350d03dd1f]

HEARING HEARTS

“Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.” (Acts 13:46).

No doubt it was offensive to those Jews that Paul should focus on preaching to the Gentiles. But he did it out of obedience to the directive from God.

“For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.” (Acts 13:47).

Paul owned his ministry of proclaiming the Gospel to the Gentiles. This was based on the reality that Christ Himself was prophesied to be he light to the Gentiles. The Church’s role in this would follow accordingly.

“And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.” (Acts 13:48).

The telling reaction of the Gentiles at that time was that they received the Word. But it was not just a small acceptance, for they received it with great joy. This is important because not only did the Bible predict their acceptance, but it came to pass that they had a receptive hear to hear.

“And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.” (Acts 13:49).

The results were very good because the Gospel increased.

[size=18:350d03dd1f][color=darkblue:350d03dd1f]NEWS[/color:350d03dd1f][/size:350d03dd1f]

A sermon by Matthew Verschuur on the Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJB and Psalm 12.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/24-4-2012_final_edition_mv.mp3[/url]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:350d03dd1f]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:350d03dd1f]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:350d03dd1f][color=darkblue:350d03dd1f]DIRECTORY[/color:350d03dd1f][/size:350d03dd1f]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2344', '69ba1a8981', '&quot;No Bible is my final authority. GOD is!&quot;', '“No Bible is not my final authority. GOD is?!

Recently at our Facebook King James Bible Debate club a typical bible agnostic posted “No Bible is my final authority. GOD is!”. A Bible agnostic is someone who does not know where to find a copy of a Bible in any language that is the inspired, complete and 100% historically true words of God. He cannot show you his infallible Bible simply because he does not believe such a thing exists.  This particular bible agnostic was being shown many examples of the literally thousands of words that have been omitted from the text of many modern versions and the completely contradictory readings and meanings they all contain.  He was getting a bit frustrated that he could not defend any of his modern versions as being the infallible words of God so he came out with this pious sounding, knee jerk exclamation “No Bible is my final authority; God is!”

 It should be pointed out that we know absolutely NOTHING about who the true God is, what He is like, and what He has done for us in Christ outside of the Bible - Nothing! All we can know from natural revelation (creation) is that there must be a Creator. But what He is like; Who He is and what He does in history and how He has worked out His eternal purpose to redeem a people unto Himself and what lies ahead - we know nothing about all these things outside of His complete and inspired words.

If you think you have some kind of authoritative revelation apart from the Bible about Who this God of ours is, then you are off into the land of mysticism, imagination, vain speculation and subjective reasoning. You are creating a god in your own image and not the God who has revealed Himself to us in His holy and inspired written words.  

God gave us His Book so we can have an objective (outside of ourselves) revelation of Who He is; what our lost condition is, and how He is making a new creation through the redemptive work of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Satan hates this Book and will do all he can to undermine faith in its truth - its absolute truth. Modern versions have done much to undermine faith in the inerrancy of Scripture. The polls show that less than 50% of present day Christians sitting in the pews believe in the infallibility of the Bible. Among the clergy, the percentage is in the 90\'s percentile.

See the quotes from many modern day Christians (who are not even King James Bible believers) here -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/thebiblenotinspired.htm

Modern versions pervert the truth of Scripture in many ways and degrade the Godhead. The Son of God becomes a liar in many modern versions in John 7:8-10. He gets angry &quot;without a cause&quot; and thus becomes a hypocrite in Matthew 5:22. There are now two Gods in some versions in John 1:18; Christ becomes a created being who has &quot;origins&quot; in Micah 5:2, and God Himself can be deceived (nasb) in Psalm 78:36. Jesus is no longer &quot;worshipped&quot; but men merely &quot;bowed down&quot; to him in the gospels. Literally thousands of words have been omitted from the N.T. in most modern Vatican Versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB and hundreds more added to the Hebrew text in versions like the modern Catholic versions and the ESV.

See more on how the modern versions degrade the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ here -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/mat2724justdegrade.htm

Scores of Hebrew readings have been changed in versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, and NOBODY seriously believes that ANY of these versions are the infallible words of God.  See the proof of this here -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/nivnasbrejecthebrew.htm

All the attacks coming today are generally directed against ONE Book and that Book is the King James Bible. Nobody who is anti-KJB or who criticizes its texts and its translations believes in the Infallibility of the Bible - ANY Bible. Those are the facts.

The Bible itself tells us that there will be a falling away from the faith in the last days (2 Thes. 2) and that the Whore of Babylon will arise to deceive the whole world with the wine of her fornication. (Rev. 18) Anybody who is using a UBS (United Bible Society) based version is in fact using a Vatican Version and is being deceived.

See Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET, Holman etc. are tne “new” Vatican Versions here -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/realcatholicbibles.htm

So when you hear people piously say something like &quot;The Bible is not my final authority. GOD is.&quot; you should know that such a person is walking in the imagination of his own heart and is deceived. Fewer and fewer Christians actually read these modern perversions and they believe them less and less. God is sending a famine of hearing His words, just like He said He would. (Amos 8:11-12) But He always has a remnant of believing people who tremble at His words and esteem them above their necessary food.

Ask God to open your eyes and give you the faith to believe His words - ALL of His words. They are found in all their purity and power only in the King James Holy Bible.

“Kept by the power of God through faith” - 1 Peter 1:5

Will Kinney

Return to Articles - http://brandplucked.webs.com/articles.htm');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2345', 'e0dcb785bc', '', '&quot;Ask God to open your eyes and give you the faith to believe His words - ALL of His words. They are found in all their purity and power only in the King James Holy Bible.&quot;

I was thinking about this and it occurred to me that the argument is simple.  Do we change God so we can better understand him or do we change ourselves so we can better understand God\'s ways?

Brings to mind this scripture out of Book of Isaiah 55:8-11.  &quot;For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.  For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.  For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2346', '61c1d437cd', 'The Protector, 22 July 2012', '[img:61c1d437cd]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:61c1d437cd]

[color=red:61c1d437cd]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:61c1d437cd]

WELCOME! [i:61c1d437cd]The Protector[/i:61c1d437cd] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:61c1d437cd][color=darkblue:61c1d437cd]EDITORIAL[/color:61c1d437cd][/size:61c1d437cd]

ANSWERING CRITICS OF THE KING JAMES BIBLE

“He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.” (Proverbs 18:13).

“... we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.” (1Cor. 8:1b).

Some critics of the King James Bible seem to go to any level they can to destroy its truth. Here is where I answered one critic.

CRITIC: Of over 5,000 copies of the NT available (of which no two are identical), only 50 are complete NTs, and the Textus Receptus is not among them.

ANSWER: No one single manuscript matches any of the critical editions or majority text either. Furthmore, there is no single &quot;textus receptus&quot;, but a number of different ones.

CRITIC: 2. The Textus Receptus (TR) is NOT the NT the KJV translators used (for the 1611 KJV translation)—they used the Stephens of 1550. The TR did not even exist until after 1624. The TR was a combination of the Stephens and Beza texts. There are 200-300 variations between the Stephens text used by the KJV translators and the TR.

ANSWER: The editions of the TR are accounted to begin from Erasmus’ New Instrument. Just because it does not say “Received Text” on the title does not mean that it is not of that class. And the fact is that the KJB men did not limit themselves to Stephens of 1550, or Beza’s 1598, but used a range of source, including reference to the Latin. The authority of the KJB is not in any single Greek known to exist, but it is a unique textual form in English.

CRITIC: 3. Other translations were used by the KJV translators is producing the 1611 edition—2.9% of the KJV is word-for-word from the 1525 Tyndale Bible. Overall, 61% of the KJV was taken from other available translations, including the Geneva Bible (see preface to the 1611 KJV).

ANSWER: The fact is that there were several editions of Tyndale, and that the KJB has been accurately accounted to be far higher than just 2.9% Tyndale. (Some anti-KJBOs act like the KJB is only a revision and downplay its role as a translation, but here the critic argues the opposite.) The reality is that the KJB was a new translation that took into account previous English versions. How this could be a “negative” or against a sound KJBO position is impossible to tell.

CRITIC: 4. The KJV used today is NOT the 1611 version, but the 10th edition! (which occurred about 150 years after 1611). Moreover, the KJV of 1611 included the Ancient Deuterocanonicals (also called “Apocrypha” by the Reformers)! How could these “God-guided” translators (as KJV-Onlyites like to refer to them) have made such a grievous error? The Apocrypha only began to be omitted in approximately 1769, and the most common printings of the modern day rarely include them. However the British coronation service requires, or required, an “unmutilated” edition.

ANSWER: This is a complete error, as the same version exists today as was made in 1611. We are not using a different version because we do not observe any alteration in the underlying text or translation. Furthermore, the KJB editions of today are not the “tenth”, in that there have been numerous editorial revisions in the history of printing the KJB, in regards to correcting of typographical errors, standardisation of the spelling and other regularisation. Moreover, the existence of the Apocrypha is of no consequence since it was not considered scripture in 1611, nor today. Moreover, the Apocrypha was not omitted around 1769 (the term “omitted” could be misleading, more like, “no longer printed”). The Apocrypha was printed less often in cheaper smaller Bibles in the nineteenth century, but was still being printed in some Bibles in the twenty-first century. It is laughable that the critic would consider the absence or presence of the Apocrypha as anything of consequence since Bibles printed by royal authority have routinely omitted it even under the injunction of accuracy and the necessity of printing the text.

CRITIC: 5. Modern translations of the Bible as a standard practice include textual notes to indicate to the reader where the Greek or Hebrew manuscripts contain variants. KJV-Only advocates, generally, dislike such footnotes, feeling that they can “confuse” the reader, and that they are, in fact, faith-destroying. However, the KJV contained 8,422 such marginal readings and notes when it was first published in 1611.

ANSWER: The notes in the margin should be separated not include counting the 1018 in the Apocrypha, and that it should be noted that by the time of Blayney, more had been added. The fact is that the KJB is printed with these notes today, and that these variants reflect differing translations from the original languages which do not have any bearing on Scripture that the KJB men decided to present in the main text. There has been no conspiracy by KJBOs to avoid such notes.

CRITIC: 6. The translators of the 1611 Edition, in the preface, stated the need for constant revision to update the language. Yet KJV-Onlyism people criticize the modern translations for doing this very thing. If the KJV is the “authorized” Bible, then KJV-Onlyites should have a real problem with what the translators themselves said. thus they purchase copies that do not contain the dedication or the preface.

ANSWER: The KJB translators never argued for constant revision or the necessity for updating the language. They argued that by their own revising of former translations, they had set forth what should be received as true. Moreover, the Dedication is routinely printed in most editions today, and the Preface, having fallen out of common use many years ago, has only enjoyed a revival because of the internet. There has been no conspiracy by KJBOs to avoid the Preface.

CRITIC: 7. A KJV-Only advocate, Texe Marrs, wrote the following letter on July 28, 1994, in response to receiving twenty-eight pages of documentation demonstrating the errors and misrepresentations in Gail Riplinger’s book, New Age Bible Versions: “Don’t write me again unless in sincere repentance. You are a devil, plain &amp; simple. I understand well why Mrs. Riplinger does not respond to your ridiculous assertions. Why dignify the lying claims of a servant of Satan!” Is this the kind of “godliness” and “humility” we can expect from KJV-Only defenders?

ANSWER: It is patently dishonest for Christians to have their name blackened, and to be smeared so unfairly because some other person has made some statement. This kind of “guilt by (mis-) association” is one of the most dishonest forms of arguing that exists.

CRITIC: 8. It is unfortunate that King James name is even linked to the authorized Version—he was an unsavory and immoral character.

ANSWER: Other anti-KJBOists do not stoop to this argument, one of their own number, Erik DiVietro, says that the king and translators were quite good, and that he respects them. This again appears to be a desperate ploy to attack the KJB and those who use it by any means necessary.

[size=18:61c1d437cd][color=darkblue:61c1d437cd]NEWS[/color:61c1d437cd][/size:61c1d437cd]

A sermon by Matthew Verschuur on the Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJB and Psalm 12.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/24-4-2012_final_edition_mv.mp3[/url]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:61c1d437cd]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:61c1d437cd]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:61c1d437cd][color=darkblue:61c1d437cd]DIRECTORY[/color:61c1d437cd][/size:61c1d437cd]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2347', '0acab5b43a', 'Looking for a PCE KJV Bible - MATTHEW HELP (and others)!', 'First of all, let me say that I am an avid PCE KJV supporter and I\'m very grateful for this website. I wish more people knew the truth about the PCE KJV and that we had more traffic coming through this website.

I have the Cambridge KJV with Apocrypha in Cameo Edition. It passes 11 of the 12 tests, as well as being Geba at Ezra 2:26. As most of us well know, the only difference is in 1 John 5:8, where the word spirit is incorrectly capitalized. Now for me personally, this is a small error. It matters very little because I KNOW THE TRUTH. I know that it is supposed to be lower case. Another reason that I can accept this is because this edition includes the Apocrypha. Finding a KJV with Apocrypha is hard enough. Finding a KJV with Apocrypha AND the PCE text is like trying to find bigfoot.

I met the user coons786c on another website, where he was talking about his PCE discovery at Barnes and Noble. I have ordered this Bible. Barnes and Noble is currently selling it for $15 (retails for $60) as a bargain book.

Now, although I can overlook the 1 John 5:8 because I know the truth about it, I still want a QUALITY Genuine Leather, even possibly a HIGH QUALITY Immitation Leather, PCE. We need to have these in our possession so that we can show people the truth and to pass them down to our family members. Simply knowing the truth isn\'t enough. We must possess it. Matthew, or anyone else, where can I find such a PCE? This Cameo Bible with the 1 John 5:8 error is the closest PCE I have found in such a high quality Bible. Also, where can I get other hardcover PCE\'s? I would like to purchase several, less bulky than the one coons786c, good priced PCE\'s ro pass on the truth to other people.

Thanks for any and all help. Remember, options are good! If any of you know of several quality leather PCE\'s post them all!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2348', '1a242a8ad1', '', 'If all else fails, I will get a few of the Collins Comfort Text Pure Cambridge Text Bibles in Hardcover and have them rebound in leather.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2349', '2882f663e0', '', 'I also got a Cambridge Cameo with Apocrypha that has 1 John 5:8 changed in it.

I know R &amp; L Allen had very good quality PCEs in the past. I asked if they would reprint or make some, but I have not heard anything at all... you could try contacting them as asking them.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2350', '5edb8390e3', '', 'Are you speaking of the newer Cameo Bibles? If so, have you found any other errors? Your 12 point test, Geba not Gaba, and proper spelling, such as rasor, ancle, counseller, etc, and not razor, ankle, counsellor, etc, is all correct, obviously with the exception of 1 John 5:8.

So you don\'t know of any high quality PCE\'s that are easily available from any publishers at the moment? It seems that if you want a PCE you either have to settle for paper or hard back, or hunt down a second hand PCE from years past.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2351', '9478dddc34', '', 'The newer Cameo Bibles are not PCE.

At the moment people do have to hunt to find a top quality PCE.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2352', 'b2947ca308', '', 'Right. I believe the newer Cameos only differ in 1 John 5:8, though, correct?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2353', 'c9f0f4ec74', '', 'Because as I was saying, the Cameo with Apocrypha that I have, of the newer batch, is correct on spelling and the entire 12 point test other than 1 John 5:8. I was curious to know if there are any other problems, as I personally haven\'t found any.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2354', '4e35ea5d75', '', 'What they did was just change 1 John 5:8 in the Cameo.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2355', '21760a4bf6', 'KJB Only and Church Unity', '&quot;For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.&quot; (Acts 20:27).

If we consider this verse carefully, we notice a startling thing. Paul had &quot;not [b:21760a4bf6]shunned[/b:21760a4bf6] to declare&quot;. The word &quot;shunned&quot; tells us that the duty of his ministry was to be forthright with the words of God and not to forsake what God had clearly given. If Paul had shunned the declaration, his ministry would have been affected. However, not only did he declare God\'s counsel to those of his time, he has also written words ([b:21760a4bf6]not to be shunned today[/b:21760a4bf6]) for the edification of Christians today.

The counsel of God needs to be known today as much as it was in Paul\'s time. The modern version movement should really be called the &quot;shun the words of God&quot; movement. More than ever the Church needs &quot;a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us&quot; (Luke 1:1b), and not a shunning of the declaration.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2356', 'ad3693ea7e', 'The Protector, 29 July 2012', '[img:ad3693ea7e]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:ad3693ea7e]

[color=red:ad3693ea7e]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:ad3693ea7e]

WELCOME! [i:ad3693ea7e]The Protector[/i:ad3693ea7e] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:ad3693ea7e][color=darkblue:ad3693ea7e]EDITORIAL[/color:ad3693ea7e][/size:ad3693ea7e]

EXPLAINING THE IMPLICATIONS OF PROPHECY AND THE KJB

According to the historicist view of Revelation, there are seven vials which indicate judgment on Roman Catholicism coming out of the French Revolution and beyond.

In the sixth vial, it says that Euphrates would be dried up. This has been always viewed to mean the Turks. Therefore, just as over the years (e.g. 1917) the Turkish Empire has failed, there is a purpose for it, and that purpose is to open up a passage for the mysterious kings of the east.

Second, in Ezekiel 38 and 39 there is a prophecy about Israel as a nation having a northern army come in and being destroyed. The indications are that this is Russia with Iran, Ethiopia and Libya.

Not only are we seeing world events which are indicating that this event is to happen in the near future, but also we note from the prophecy that the scriptures of the prophets are known and that the name of the LORD is restored (i.e. JEHOVAH).

And on this, even futurists know that the destruction of the northern army would logically cause there to be a great opening for evangelism and against a certain religion in that region, as well as for converting Jews to Christianity and so on.

Third, there are numerous passages talking about the latter days glory of the saints, a millenary kind of time of great spiritual outpouring for the Church.

This idea synthesizes the Pentecostal view and the historicist view (especially held by Calvinists) without getting into any of the Theonomy or Restorationist doctrines. (Essentially, taking a view that builds on the sound parts of previous doctrines held by a variety of separate groups, which had previously been seen as mutually expulsive).

Basically, the doctrine is as follows:

The Word of Faith doctrine is true,

The Gospel is designed to convert nations,

There are places where the Gospel will come in great power,

With Pentecostal signs and wonders,

And these people will preach to the world.

Add to that the providential view of the English-speaking Church:

That the English Bible (KJB) has been recognized as the best in the world,

The highest and best profession of Christianity is from GB and the USA,

That the English language has been prepared to be global,

That certain nations are called

“All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.” (Ps. 22:27).

“He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.” (Isa 42:4).

That communication and transportation technology has come together, including infrastructure (e.g. stadiums built for Gospel rallies rather than football),

That the scripture promises and prophecies continuously a harvest, both of souls and of prosperity.

So that, as Revelation 3 shows, there is a spewing out of false Christians, and a supping on earth for the true (cf Ps. 23:5), so that the parts of Daniel\'s prophecy that relate to this era are fulfilled, resulting in the consuming of the historicist antichrist, which is, Roman Catholicism. And none other than by Gospel preaching,

So that the sanctuary (i.e. Church) is cleansed and that sanctification happens (see Eph. 5:27) so that the church comes into unity and full maturity (see Eph. 4).

The basis of the Church\'s triumph must be the correct foundation of having and knowing what exactly is God\'s Word as a standard for the world.

[size=18:ad3693ea7e][color=darkblue:ad3693ea7e]NEWS[/color:ad3693ea7e][/size:ad3693ea7e]

A sermon by Matthew Verschuur on the Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJB and Psalm 12.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/24-4-2012_final_edition_mv.mp3[/url]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:ad3693ea7e]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:ad3693ea7e]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:ad3693ea7e][color=darkblue:ad3693ea7e]DIRECTORY[/color:ad3693ea7e][/size:ad3693ea7e]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2358', '5c7e42766e', '', 'Impressive thread here!

[url=http://calvaryoakville.com/]bible teaching churches in Oakville[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2359', 'f3c80cdd2d', 'The Protector, 5 August 2012', '[img:f3c80cdd2d]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:f3c80cdd2d]

[color=red:f3c80cdd2d]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:f3c80cdd2d]

WELCOME! [i:f3c80cdd2d]The Protector[/i:f3c80cdd2d] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:f3c80cdd2d][color=darkblue:f3c80cdd2d]EDITORIAL[/color:f3c80cdd2d][/size:f3c80cdd2d]

WHICH BIBLE DID OLIVER CROMWELL USE?

2 Thess. 3:1, “Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you”.

People seem to continually make the false accusation that the Puritans hated the King James Bible. The reality is very different. Consider these quotations:

“When in 1616 Cromwell went up to Cambridge it was to Sidney Sussex, a college ... Its master, the [Puritan] Samuel Ward, was one of the translators of King James’s Bible, the book which Cromwell was to turn to so often for ideas, ammunition and arguments to fortify his opinions; and to which the eloquence and forcefulness of his language owed so much.”

Young, P., 1975, Oliver Cromwell and His Times, Severn House Publishers, London, UK, page 15.

“The ‘Authorised Version’ of James I., from which Cromwell appears always to quote”

Cromwell’s speech dissolving Parliament on January 22, 1655, from, Volume 2, page 295 of:— Carlyle, T., 1904, Oliver Cromwell’s Letters and Speeches, J. M. Dent &amp; Sons Ltd., London, UK.

http://ia700307.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=%2F24%2Fitems%2Flettersspeecheso02cromuoft%2Flettersspeecheso02cromuoft_jp2.zip&amp;file=lettersspeecheso02cromuoft_jp2%2Flettersspeecheso02cromuoft_0311.jp2&amp;scale=4&amp;rotate=0

John Canne and Cambridge (Hills and Field) were publishing King James Bibles by Oliver Cromwell’s direct commands and permission. 

“In 1656 a Bible free from such errata was produced, which the Protector insisted was to sell at not more that 12s. duodecimo. But at the restoration [1660] the King’s printers recovered their monopoly, and prices shot up again”.

Hill, C., 1993, The English Bible and the Seventeenth-Century Revolution, Penguin Books, Harmondsworth, UK, page 66.

[size=18:f3c80cdd2d][color=darkblue:f3c80cdd2d]NEWS[/color:f3c80cdd2d][/size:f3c80cdd2d]

A sermon by Matthew Verschuur on the Pure Cambridge Edition of the KJB and Psalm 12.
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/24-4-2012_final_edition_mv.mp3[/url]

A youtube video showing how a publisher altered the King James Bible.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etYhtGFaL_Y[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:f3c80cdd2d]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:f3c80cdd2d]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:f3c80cdd2d][color=darkblue:f3c80cdd2d]DIRECTORY[/color:f3c80cdd2d][/size:f3c80cdd2d]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2360', '219b8c9709', 'Local church Bible publishers question', 'Greetings,

I recently viewed a Bible protector youtube video that reccomended Local Church Bible Publishers as a shop you could get a PCE Bible. I have purchased Bibles before from Local Church Bible publishers and found them to be good quality and am considering purchasing another one from them, however in the Bibleprotector video, it is claimed that Local Church Bible Publishers no longer produce PCE Bibles. I went to the Local Church Bible Publishers FAQ which says that they do not use the PCE text, however they state they do use the Cambridge text but dont specify which Cambridge edition.

Does Bible protector reccommend Local Church Bible Publishers anymore? Or should it be avoided?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2361', '8da4176161', '', 'Things changed in 2011.

LCBP say that they are not selling the PCE (even though I am sure that plenty of their customers are asking for it). They could sell the PCE if they wanted to, but they have decided not to. I don\'t understand why they are so reluctant. People have been hoping, praying and talking to them to change LCBP\'s mind, but so far, this Euphrates has remained in our way.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2362', '6538422575', 'The Protector, 12 August 2012', '[img:6538422575]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:6538422575]

[color=red:6538422575]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:6538422575]

WELCOME! [i:6538422575]The Protector[/i:6538422575] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:6538422575][color=darkblue:6538422575]EDITORIAL[/color:6538422575][/size:6538422575]

THE KING JAMES BIBLE IS A TEXT

Recently, on a certain internet forum, a number of people there said that the King James Bible is not a text. The repeated it vehemently, even in capital letters, that the KJB is NOT a text.

Of course, it is a text, and here are some things I said: “I was quoting Hills who said it was an independent variety of the received text. And it is, because it is a fact that when Scrivener tried to make a Greek form of the KJB, or to collate its basis readings in Greek, the Greek form that he made matched no extant Greek text.”

I showed that Mark 11:26 is missing in Tyndale’s New Testament, which is an obvious sign that Tyndale is a different text because it has a different reading.

Those arguing against me repeated that the KJB, as a translation, could not be superior to its sources. I said that translation was not the issue being discussed, and that they were denying the reality that the KJB was a text. I believe I effectively won the argument by this single post because they didn’t deny the KJB was a text after that:

“—— by its very nature, a gathered text can be superior to its sources.

“You can, in theory, have six partial shreds of six copies of a poem in Greek.

“And let us say that each of the shreds exhibits spelling and copying mistakes in Greek.

“And then you make an English translation of the existing evidence. Can you truly assert that on textual grounds your presentation is inferior because it also is a translation? No, rather, the critical work in the Bacchae or in numerous other classical texts is presented in English as the standard copies which are used in education.”

“He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.” (Luke 11:23).

[size=18:6538422575][color=darkblue:6538422575]NEWS[/color:6538422575][/size:6538422575]

A youtube video showing up the philosophy behind modern versions.
[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lK5Nzycxag[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:6538422575]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:6538422575]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:6538422575][color=darkblue:6538422575]DIRECTORY[/color:6538422575][/size:6538422575]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2363', '51dc7c79d1', 'Which King James Bible is the word of God?', 'Which King James Bible is the word of God?
James White offered this question up to Will Kinney on August 9 2011, on the Dividing line. Which one of the King James’s is your inspired translation?
“Which edition of the King James version is the inspired, inerrant one? “… Is it the Cambridge edition or is it the Oxford edition? Is it the 1611 , is it the 1769 Blayney revision, which one is it sir can you tell us?
 Now on his show he repeated this question over and over again to Brother Will as if our Brother in the Lord couldn’t answer him. Bro. Will wasn’t on that show to answer that question he was on there to ask James White if he could point to one Bible as his final authority. Which James White never answered nor has he answered that question today. What he (James White did however) was to try and confuse the issue. 
My personal quick answer to Mr. White would be all of them. When I say all I would start with the one in 1611 and work my way up to… 
After which I would explain that there truly is but only one true King James Authorized Bible that one being the 1611 translation. Not 7 , not 8 not 10 not 39 and certainly not well over 260 new corrupt translations and counting since 1881 from the corrupt Vatican Roman Catholic text. 
Our 1611 King James Version came about by using all available text, earlier reformation bibles, and historical documents from the early Church Fathers. One can easily find this information on line and in many books now written on this subject and here on this website as well. One truly needs to know the process and the material that these men of God went through in order for God’s preserve word to come to His (Gods’) English speaking Church. You see we speak English, we read and communicate in English and if you look around at this country alone you’ll see a constant dumbing down not only of our educational system, since the government takeover of our public schools, but also the Inerrant word of God in English by these modern progressive Marxist Socialist. Notice from these thief’s in the day, they attack the very words of God by replacing them with what they want you to know from their god of this world, (Gen. 3:1-9). Their true source for deception comes from confusing the issue with words that are not in English but instead corrupt Greek, corrupt Latin, and corrupt Hebrew. Why, so they can have controlling power over you, look once again at our school system and all government ran takeovers. They use fancy words; they have been changing the pure English language now for years. Notice now how far away they are from the English words used in our King James 1611 translation, notice what words they have tried to preserve instead. That would be the corrupt Greek, Hebrew and Latin manuscripts to replace our tried and preserved King James English text.  
Psa 12:6  The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 
Psa 12:7  Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. 

WHY?

Psa 12:8  The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.

Bro. Shain1611');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2364', '3e39cbda91', 'The Protector, 19 August 2012', '[img:3e39cbda91]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:3e39cbda91]

[color=red:3e39cbda91]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:3e39cbda91]

WELCOME! [i:3e39cbda91]The Protector[/i:3e39cbda91] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:3e39cbda91][color=darkblue:3e39cbda91]EDITORIAL[/color:3e39cbda91][/size:3e39cbda91]

INTERPRETING THE SCRIPTURE

It appears that some have a method of interpreting the Scripture in a way that explains away the relevance of the Scripture today, in particular, any reference to the Bible existing today, or any implication regarding the King James Bible.

The prerequisite to approaching the Bible properly would be by a true Christian who actually believes the Bible is true, and who compares Scripture with Scripture, and considers it prayerfully and in tune with the Holy Ghost.

The following summarises a different view of Bible interpretation:

1. Ask what was the contemporary issues facing the author and original reader.

2. Ask what were the cultural customs that existed at the time, and ascertain what influence they had on the original writing.

3. Ask what knowledge the Holy Ghost intended to convey  to the original readers.

The problem with these ideas is that it tends toward an unbelieving view. It tends to divorce the Bible’s relevance from today. It seems to question that the same Holy Ghost is present today.

The proper approach is to regard that the Scripture was also written for us today, “But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith” (Romans 16:26).

The proper approach should also consider that the Scripture is not about us reading into the past, but our receiving its truth in the present, “For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” (Rom. 15:4).

The proper approach would especially take into account that the following principle concerning the apparent original meaning of the law, and its meaning in the New Testament and now:

“For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.” (1 Cor. 9:9, 10).

[size=18:3e39cbda91][color=darkblue:3e39cbda91]NEWS[/color:3e39cbda91][/size:3e39cbda91]

A youtube video showing up the philosophy behind modern versions.
[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lK5Nzycxag[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:3e39cbda91]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:3e39cbda91]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:3e39cbda91][color=darkblue:3e39cbda91]DIRECTORY[/color:3e39cbda91][/size:3e39cbda91]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2365', '18ce1e83de', 'A good addiction?', 'There is such a thing as a good addiction!
The word addict simply means to devote and apply yourself to something. The Bible tells us people can be addicted to the right things:

&quot;I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and [i:18ce1e83de]that [/i:18ce1e83de]they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,) That ye submit yourselves unto such, and to every one that helpeth with [i:18ce1e83de]us,[/i:18ce1e83de] and laboureth.&quot; (1 Corinthians 16:15, 16)

They were addicted to the ministry. When people are addicted to the things that are important to God, it is a good thing.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2366', '1c8d50bc85', 'The Protector, 26 August 2012', '[img:1c8d50bc85]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:1c8d50bc85]

[color=red:1c8d50bc85]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:1c8d50bc85]

WELCOME! [i:1c8d50bc85]The Protector[/i:1c8d50bc85] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:1c8d50bc85][color=darkblue:1c8d50bc85]EDITORIAL[/color:1c8d50bc85][/size:1c8d50bc85]

WAS “ARAMAIC” COMMON DURING THE TIME OF CHRIST?

Recently, some anti-King James Bible only people have been asserting (in agreement with Roman Catholics) that the Early Church was speaking a language called “Aramaic”.

Let us examine four very basic ideas:

1. The NT was written in Greek. (We also observe Greek forms like “Elias” for “Elijah”, etc.)

2. Pilate wrote on the cross in Hebrew, Greek and Latin.

3. There is no mention of “Aramaic” in the Bible.

4. On the day of Pentecost, people from places where Syriac was spoken are listed among those who hear the Apostles speaking in their tongues.

And what does the Scripture say in the New Testament? Obviously it assumes Greek as normal speach, because it makes various references to Hebrew being spoken. But not one to supposed “Aramaic”. (Indicating that modern scholarship’s hypothesis about “Aramaic” is baseless.)

“And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.” (Luke 23:38).

“Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.” (John 5:2).

“When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha.” (John 19:13).

“And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:” (John 19:17).

“This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.” (John 19:20).

“And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,” (Acts 21:40).

“(And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: and he saith,)” (Acts 22:2).

“And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.” (Acts 26:14).

“And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.” (Rev. 9:11).

“And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.” (Rev. 16:16).

[size=18:1c8d50bc85][color=darkblue:1c8d50bc85]NEWS[/color:1c8d50bc85][/size:1c8d50bc85]

A youtube video showing up the philosophy behind modern versions.
[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lK5Nzycxag[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:1c8d50bc85]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:1c8d50bc85]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:1c8d50bc85][color=darkblue:1c8d50bc85]DIRECTORY[/color:1c8d50bc85][/size:1c8d50bc85]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2367', 'b8bc6f3024', 'The Protector, 2 September 2012', '[img:b8bc6f3024]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:b8bc6f3024]

[color=red:b8bc6f3024]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:b8bc6f3024]

WELCOME! [i:b8bc6f3024]The Protector[/i:b8bc6f3024] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:b8bc6f3024][color=darkblue:b8bc6f3024]EDITORIAL[/color:b8bc6f3024][/size:b8bc6f3024]

GOD HAD A PLAN FOR ENGLISH

As far as having a perfect Bible, that is something providential.

Brian Walton believed, “the English translation of the Bible”, as John Selden (1584–1654) recorded, “is the best translation in the world and renders the sense of the original best.” Thomas Fuller (1608–1661) wrote, “the last translation of the Bible, which no doubt was done by those learned men in the best English, agreeth perfectly with the common speech of our country”. And Bulstrode Whitelocke (1605–1675) recorded, “the Bible in English; which was yet agreed to be the best of any translation in the world”.

Let us also be reminded of Burgon’s claim that it was the authorized version alone which linked together the multiple millions of English-speaking peoples, and that Lord Tweedsmuir [John Buchan] said: “For us, the British people, the Bible is a kind of national testament, a kind of national confession of faith, for it is the key to all that is worthy in our character and famous in our history. It is the true bond of union for us, both as a nation and an Empire, for it contains all that is nobles in our long traditions and all that constitutes the hope of our future.”

Again, Edward F. Hills said that the KJB was an independent variety of the Received Text, which we uphold today as the final, the supersuccessionary form of the Scripture, exactly accurately able to communicate to myriads of people the very truths that were penned by the inspiration.

Importantly, the highest profession of the Christian faith, the best doctrines, have come out of Britain, and secondly, the USA. Whether it was the insular Celtic Church of the Dark Ages, or the important Reformation Church, the Anglicans, Puritans, Methodists, Holiness, Salvationists, Pentecostals and Word of Faith, the progressive heights and world missions have been primarily sponsored and effused by worthy propagation of the Gospel by these English-speaking missionaries.

Moreover, the English language has been providentially prepared by God.

William Tyndale discovered that the Greek most fitly translated into the English language rather than into Latin, and that Hebrew came very literally into English, unlike Hebrew translation into Latin.

Even now, there are pages of quotations praising the literary and sublime qualities of the language of the KJB. The KJB has stood to this day as a blessed beacon, the monument, etc.

As we observe that the English language has been spread abroad, and that it is now called a global language (as recognised by secular scholars), then it ties into providence that the Gospel in English may be taught to whole nations.

Therefore, the national culture which had Christianity in it, the nations which had the true Church in them, have mainly been in the latter times English-speaking, and that among all true Christians in any nations, the chief have been the Anglo-Protestant churches and denominations.

Clearly, God uses nations, and the exhibition of the best freedoms and achievements have been by these people.

Considering then, the technology to travel, communicate and manufacture has been primarily developed by the same people, it has all tied together to the point where even plenty of Jews speak English. (And considering the economic and military prowess of these nations and their cultural influence.)

The way of preaching the pure King James Bible for world evangelisation must be coming as a dawn upon the world in the great progress of the Gospel, despite the darkness and machinations of man and devils. Whatever happens to Britain or America, that is has not bearing on God\'s ability (and plan) to have the knowledge of the LORD continue: that Jesus Christ Himself would be upheld as a standard to the nations by the revelation of Him through the Scripture till He come.

The very seed that was planted by God in giving His Word, the very seed that was scattered abroad by the early Church must therefore come to the great harvest, the great reaping of souls for the kingdom.

[size=18:b8bc6f3024][color=darkblue:b8bc6f3024]NEWS[/color:b8bc6f3024][/size:b8bc6f3024]

A youtube video showing up the philosophy behind modern versions.
[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lK5Nzycxag[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:b8bc6f3024]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:b8bc6f3024]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:b8bc6f3024][color=darkblue:b8bc6f3024]DIRECTORY[/color:b8bc6f3024][/size:b8bc6f3024]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2368', 'f7bd319df9', 'The Protector, 9 September 2012', '[img:f7bd319df9]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:f7bd319df9]

[color=red:f7bd319df9]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:f7bd319df9]

WELCOME! [i:f7bd319df9]The Protector[/i:f7bd319df9] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:f7bd319df9][color=darkblue:f7bd319df9]EDITORIAL[/color:f7bd319df9][/size:f7bd319df9]

INTERPRETING SCRIPTURE FOR US TODAY

It is an unbelieving principle (i.e. denying the origin of God with inspiration) to say that there is only one valid interpretation of any passage, and that it was the one intended by the human penmen. Instead, Scripture has come from God, and God may have been communicating by several interpretations in a passage, and these may not have been understood by the original author or original audience.

“Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.” (1 Peter 1:10–12).

Notice that the foci of Scripture are both the original people and us.

Consider what Paul said, “For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.” (1 Corinthians 9:9, 10).

[size=18:f7bd319df9][color=darkblue:f7bd319df9]NEWS[/color:f7bd319df9][/size:f7bd319df9]

A youtube video showing up the philosophy behind modern versions.
[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lK5Nzycxag[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:f7bd319df9]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:f7bd319df9]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:f7bd319df9][color=darkblue:f7bd319df9]DIRECTORY[/color:f7bd319df9][/size:f7bd319df9]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2369', '266519440e', 'twoedged vs two-edged (bibleprotector Matthew input please)', 'I have a Cambridge Cameo Reference Edition that passes all of your (bibleprotector/Matthew) 12 point and spelling checks, with the exception of 1 John 5:8. Nic Kizziah says that twoedged appears in the KJV 4 times, in Psalms 149:6, Proverbs 5:4, Hebrews 4:12, and Revelation 1:16. He says the word isn\'t supposed to have hyphens, but Cambridge hyphenates all of the except Hebrews 4:12. My KJV does exactly this, hyphenates all but Hebrews 4:12. What is correct as far as the PCE? Hyphens or no hyphens?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2370', '0fbb09f9e5', 'answer', 'The word &quot;twoedged&quot; can be hyphenated at the end of a line. While it is not a significant problem if it was hyphenated in the middle of a line, it is certainly not aligning to the exact standard to the jot and tittle.

The standard may be observed in the electronic text on the Bible Protector website, which is &quot;twoedged&quot;, that is, no hyphen.

The PCE will have 1 John 5:8 correct... though I know that Cambridge prints Cameos that are similar to the PCE, but have 1 John 5:8 changed.

Nic Kizzah\'s list was designed to reject the Cambridge Standard Text Edition, which contains a number of variations. He used the Concord Edition to compare from. The Concord has the Oxford spelling of &quot;enquire&quot; while the CSTE, the current Cameo and the PCE have &quot;inquire&quot;. Kizzah was on the right track, but not quite there.

(Older Cameo ref. editions are PCE.)');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2371', 'b65020f127', 'The Protector, 16 September 2012', '[img:b65020f127]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:b65020f127]

[color=red:b65020f127]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:b65020f127]

WELCOME! [i:b65020f127]The Protector[/i:b65020f127] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:b65020f127][color=darkblue:b65020f127]EDITORIAL[/color:b65020f127][/size:b65020f127]

THE WAY TO APPROACH SCRIPTURE

In order to properly interpret the Scripture, we need to acknowledge that the Scripture is true and final authority (see Proverbs 30:5, 6, John 17:17). Realise that every word has been inspired and given to us for a reason (see 2 Timothy 3:16, 17). Have a deep consciousness that the Bible was written for us today (see Romans 15:4). The Holy Ghost uses it to speak wonderfully to us (see 1 John 2:27). The key to unsealing the Scripture in time is the knowledge that the King James Bible is perfect, and that it has been manifest for us, and for our aid in understanding the will and plan of God for these remaining hours (see Psalm 12). Rely on the King James Bible alone, and the English words alone (see Isaiah 28:11, Zephaniah 3:9). There is no need to clutter the truth with variations and subjective opinions of other languages and the multiplicity of definitions, when we have a proven, reliable perfect standard.

Compare Scripture with Scripture (see Acts 17:11). The best way to work out the meaning of one passage is by understanding the word usage or scenario in another. Read in context. Words come in verses. Verses come in chapters. Chapters come in books. Rightly divide the Word (see 2 Timothy 2:15). Do not wrest the Scriptures (see 2 Peter 3:16). Do not read in private interpretations (see 2 Peter 1:20). Ensure that you are viewing the Bible in harmony with itself. There are no contradictions, and similar passages are complementary.

Note the literary style. Poetry will use metaphors. Prophecies may use symbols. Literal passages should be taken literally. Consider not only God’s intended meaning to the original audience, but what was being communicated to the New Testament Church and to us today. Do not just lock things in the past or deflect them to the future (see 2 Timothy 3:14). See that God wants us to attain right now (see 1 Corinthians 3:22).

Remember that some prophecies have progressive fulfilment, that things occur in stages and, especially, that there can be multiple different fulfilments of the same verse.

We can get something out of all kinds of passages, because the Bible is spiritual food and we find that there will be some sort of application for us (see Matthew 4:4) The Holy Ghost speaks and guides in all truth (see John 16:13). Have an open heart and willingness to obey and readiness to pray (see Matthew 13:15). Familiarity with the Bible is strongly encouraged. There is a role for ministers in the Body of Christ to help us all grow in knowledge (see Colossians 3:16, 1 Timothy 6:3).

[size=18:b65020f127][color=darkblue:b65020f127]NEWS[/color:b65020f127][/size:b65020f127]

A youtube video showing up the philosophy behind modern versions.
[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lK5Nzycxag[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:b65020f127]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:b65020f127]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:b65020f127][color=darkblue:b65020f127]DIRECTORY[/color:b65020f127][/size:b65020f127]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2372', 'ae3a1e3111', 'Australian Senator Cory Bernardi', 'Australia\'s most &quot;politically incorrect&quot; politician.

http://www.corybernardi.com/');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2374', '4e056cbacb', 'KJB Only and Church Unity', '&quot;As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.&quot; (2 Peter 3:16).

[b:4e056cbacb]&quot;Going to the Greek&quot; has become so rampant amongst the churches that it has slain the truth for many.[/b:4e056cbacb] Inevitably, a person or preacher will go to the Greek if the plain reading of the Bible verse in question is not saying what they want it to say. In other words, they want the Greek to confirm their pet doctrine or interpretation. This type of behaviour is unlearned and unstable and causes nothing but destruction.

Even if a portion of Scripture is &quot;hard to be understood&quot;, this is still no reason to go to the Greek. This is because we should receive understanding from the Lord and ask for His direction - if we do this in sincerity, he will answer us.

What we should do is pray: &quot;The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know&quot; (Ephesians 1:18a).

God answers: &quot;Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures&quot; (Luke 24:45).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2375', '1af76e421d', 'The Protector, 23 September 2012', '[img:1af76e421d]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:1af76e421d]

[color=red:1af76e421d]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:1af76e421d]

WELCOME! [i:1af76e421d]The Protector[/i:1af76e421d] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:1af76e421d][color=darkblue:1af76e421d]EDITORIAL[/color:1af76e421d][/size:1af76e421d]

JESUS IS CALLED THE WORD

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1).

This is talking about Jesus Christ the Son of God. He is not a book, not thoughts, words or merely a voice, but a person. It is very important to realise that Jesus is a person, but that He is called the Word because that is a title describing His role, who He is and what He has done.

What He has done is come from heaven to bring a message to man. Jesus Himself is not the message, but He brings a message. And it is the Word of God that He brought.

Also, it is important to understand the relationship between Jesus coming and what was written in the Scripture.

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.” (Luke 24:44).

Jesus came preaching, and His Word was with power. He did this to fulfil what was written in the Old Testament. His very incarnation was based on the reality that God had spoken, and so it came to pass.

But it would be wrong to say that Jesus is the Old Testament in living breathing form, because the Old Testament was just a set of words, not a person, and Jesus is God, which means He is infinite, not limited to the 39 books of the Old Testament.

What is dreadful is that modernists go to the Greek to explain what the word “Word” apparently “really” means. Their explanations always lead away from simple, sound Bible doctrine.

This also means that the Bible was not crucified on the cross.

[size=18:1af76e421d][color=darkblue:1af76e421d]NEWS[/color:1af76e421d][/size:1af76e421d]

A youtube video showing up the philosophy behind modern versions.
[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lK5Nzycxag[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:1af76e421d]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:1af76e421d]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
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Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
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The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2377', 'd9fd7c8ade', 'The Protector, 30 September 2012', '[img:d9fd7c8ade]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:d9fd7c8ade]

[color=red:d9fd7c8ade]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:d9fd7c8ade]

WELCOME! [i:d9fd7c8ade]The Protector[/i:d9fd7c8ade] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:d9fd7c8ade][color=darkblue:d9fd7c8ade]EDITORIAL[/color:d9fd7c8ade][/size:d9fd7c8ade]

ARE YOU A PROTESTANT?

Ian Paisley said publicly against the Pope that he was the Antichrist. This seems so out of place in today’s world of “ecumenism”. But it was a common thing proclaimed by Reformers and Protestants in the past.

Consider our own heritage. Dudley Cooper’s “Flames of Revival”, page 60, “Over 600 people attended a special protest meeting arranged by Thomas Foster in the Central Hall on Sunday afternoon, 9th May 1948. This coincided with the visit of Roman Catholic Cardinals, who on the same day were holding a ceremony to consecrate Australia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Thomas Foster felt indignation that Rome had the audacity to carry out the consecration in a country which at that point was about 80% Protestant and 20% Roman Catholic. After launching his protest, Tom told the audience to stand while he prayed for revival in Australia and dedicated Australia to the Lord Jesus Christ.”

The Bible has a severe warning about the final end of idolatry, “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8).

According to the Biblical measure, Thomas Foster was completely justified in his stand.

“And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” (Revelation 18:4).

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A youtube video showing up the philosophy behind modern versions.
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“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:d9fd7c8ade]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:d9fd7c8ade]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
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The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2378', '127d07aa86', 'Thomas Foster', 'Australian Pentecostal pastor, Thomas Foster, wrote his own autobiography in 1993, which was never published:

http://www.bibleprotector.com/Thomas_Foster.pdf

Foster was a pastor in the CRC.

&quot;The Life and Times of Thomas Foster&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2379', '46eb3678ab', 'Should the first word of each chapter be all capitals?', 'In KJB-PCE-MINION.pdf, KJB-PCE.zip, KJB-PCE-RTF.zip, and KJB-PCE-US.rar
every chapter begins with a word in all caps and in cases where the first word is a single letter as in &quot;A,&quot; &quot;O,&quot; or &quot;I&quot; the second word is also all caps.

However, this affects the following 9 verses in Psalms by rendering &quot;God&quot; or &quot;Lord&quot; in all caps when these places &quot;God&quot; or &quot;Lord&quot; is not supposed to be in all caps nor small caps.

Ps 60:1 O God, thou hast cast us off, thou hast scattered us, thou hast been displeased; O turn thyself to us again.
Ps 63:1 O God, thou [art] my God; early will I seek thee: my soul thirsteth for thee, my flesh longeth for thee in a dry and thirsty land, where no water is;
Ps 74:1 O God, why hast thou cast [us] off for ever? [why] doth thine anger smoke against the sheep of thy pasture?
Ps 79:1 O God, the heathen are come into thine inheritance; thy holy temple have they defiled; they have laid Jerusalem on heaps.
Ps 108:1 O God, my heart is fixed; I will sing and give praise, even with my glory.

Ps 46:1 God [is] our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
Ps 67:1 God be merciful unto us, and bless us; [and] cause his face to shine upon us; Selah.
Ps 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

Ps 90:1 Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.

Is this a problem that should be fix?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2380', '30ea8ad44f', '', 'Those words in ALL CAPS at the beginning of chapters are different to words elsewhere in small caps or actual written titles in all caps.

1. All chapters in printed KJBs have the first word/s in caps. It is better to keep with tradition than to innovate.

2. If they were not in caps, the case of &quot;LORD&quot; at places like Psalm 90 would be uncertain. Some think that the word &quot;LORD&quot; at Psalm 90:1 would be &quot;L-small cap-ORD-end small caps&quot;, others, &quot;Lord&quot;. Hence, the use of capital letters is best, and can even be so utalised in quotation (as I do), so, &quot;LORD, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2381', 'bb3dd0677a', 'The Protector, 7 October 2012', '[img:bb3dd0677a]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:bb3dd0677a]

[color=red:bb3dd0677a]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:bb3dd0677a]

WELCOME! [i:bb3dd0677a]The Protector[/i:bb3dd0677a] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:bb3dd0677a][color=darkblue:bb3dd0677a]EDITORIAL[/color:bb3dd0677a][/size:bb3dd0677a]

REAPING CENTURIES OF CHRISTIAN SOWING

I would rather take the opportunity to present a positive message. First, that national revival is for us, that the Lord has called us to “Restore the Commonwealth”. Second, that as Christians, we are really saved, not just going to heaven one day, but even now have benefits of healing, prosperity and especially holy living available to us. God is not holding back all the good things from us, and His salvation is not flimsy.

People talk about how bad things are, and how Christ must be returning soon. They long for some kind of revival, yet people desert Pentecostalism, and many have fainted, thinking that we are not making any real evangelistic progress in Australia.

The solution is to take the Scripture by faith. Jesus said He would build the Church. He said, in the Great Commission, that nations would be converted. “Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.” (Acts 28:28). See also Romans 16:26.

I am sure that we are entering into a time of restitution for Christianity, and particularly, an advancing form of traditional Pentecostalism. We are entering into the labours of those who came before us. 

http://www.bibleprotector.com/Thomas_Foster.pdf

If Thomas Foster was one such sower, then we are reapers of that sowing. I see such things as part of God’s Providence. Since God is not mocked, the national revival that so many saints have earnestly prayed for must come to pass.

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A youtube video showing up the philosophy behind modern versions.
[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lK5Nzycxag[/url]

“And Many Shall Come” by Purity Films
[color=red:bb3dd0677a]Very important prophetic video showing the true nature of compromised Pentecostalism (in contrast to Traditional Pentecostalism).[/color:bb3dd0677a]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/0017A1723F7044BC[/url]

Resources:
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19[/url]

Australian Identity and Bible Patriotism presentation.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/user/bibleprotector#grid/user/AB80FF658E428FA5[/url]

Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440[/url]

Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=267[/url]

YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

Purity Films DVDs are available at:
[url]www.bibleprotector.com/shop.htm[/url]

[size=18:bb3dd0677a][color=darkblue:bb3dd0677a]DIRECTORY[/color:bb3dd0677a][/size:bb3dd0677a]

Information about Pure Cambridge Edition copies can be obtained from the Bible Protector ministry. [url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAhkSYs7L0U[/url]

The knowledge concerning the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible must be spread abroad. Please join with this important work. Offerings can be given to the “Bible Protector” ministry via Paypal, credit card (internet) or though Australian Money Order. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]

Victory Faith Centre materials and information can be viewed and downloaded. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/vfc.htm[/url]

The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2382', '15445127b2', '', '[quote:15445127b2=\"bibleprotector\"]1. All chapters in printed KJBs have the first word/s in caps. It is better to keep with tradition than to innovate.
[/quote:15445127b2]
In the KJV printing of 1611. The first 2 letters of a chapter are capitalized, the first letter being a fancy block letter. There are exceptions to some 3 letter words like &quot;OUT&quot; in Psalm 130. [url]http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Psalms-Chapter-130_Original-1611-KJV/[/url]

In Psalm 3:1 the first word is LO-small caps-RD-end small caps-
[url]http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Psalms-Chapter-3_Original-1611-KJV/[/url]

In Psalm 90:1 the first word is LOrd
[url]http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Psalms-Chapter-90_Original-1611-KJV/[/url]

Geneva and Tyndale Bibles were also this way. I don\'t know when this was changed.
So, this would not be breaking a tradition, but bringing an old one back.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2383', '0273dd3545', '', 'Tradition is understood, not only by looking at the past at a certain time, but also what stood for the past few centuries continuously. In Bibles for a long time, it has had a dropped capital letter and then all capitals.

Psalm XC from 1769 has &quot;LORD, thou ...&quot;

Further, there are instances of where the KJB had &quot;LORD&quot; or &quot;Lord&quot; in a few places in 1611 where it has since changed. It is best to stick with the 1769 and, especially, the PCE on this, and have first word/s of chapters capitals.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2384', '619acb2f49', '', 'Should the text, rich text, and database download files be corrected then or are all these files fine?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2385', 'd03587ec05', '', 'The files are there to be used by everyone.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2386', '38559fbcbc', 'The Protector, 14 October 2012', '[img:38559fbcbc]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:38559fbcbc]

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[size=18:38559fbcbc][color=darkblue:38559fbcbc]EDITORIAL[/color:38559fbcbc][/size:38559fbcbc]

JOY VERSUS MIRTH

I came across a rather strange book from 1859 called “Shouting: Genuine and Spurious”. I thought, “Why call a book ‘Shouting’?” And then I read the title page, “In all ages of the Church, from the birth of Creation, when the Sons of God shouted for joy, until the should of the Archangel: with numerous extracts from the Old and New Testament, and from the works of Wesley, Evans, Edwards, Abbott, Cartwright and Finley. Giving a history of the outward demonstrations of the Spirit, such as Laughing, Screaming, Shouting, Leaping, Jerking and Falling under the Power, etc.”

Further, the passage from Luke 19:40 was quoted, “And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.”

As with all things, there is a genuine and there is a counterfeit. “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.” (2 Cor. 11:13–15).

By my reading of the Scripture, one telling factor is the state of mind of a person who claims or exhibits various manifestations of the Spirit. The Scripture says, “For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace”. (Rom. 8:6). Unless there is real transformative work or actual blessing taking place, such things would not be signs from God.

One danger is that such experiences can be come a fad and become the ends in themselves, so that people seek the feelings and may indeed exhibit devils taking over their bodies and minds.

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[size=18:eb3276b43c][color=darkblue:eb3276b43c]EDITORIAL[/color:eb3276b43c][/size:eb3276b43c]

GOD IS IN CONTROL OF TIME AND IN CHARGE OF HISTORY.
By Pastor Craig Savige

The Bible has been divinely inspired. Prophecy is the demonstration in word that God knows all of history from the beginning to the end and all the hearts of men involved in history – nothing is hidden from Him. In 2 Timothy 3:16 we read that “All scripture is given by inspiration of God”, so Scripture must have the stamp of God upon it. The prophecies of Scripture show a major part of this wonderful stamp, revealing the great wisdom and power of God. The prophecies contained in the book of the prophet Daniel are some of the most detailed in all of Scripture; they bear reading and studying. The student of Scripture will surely be strengthened by an indepth study of Daniel.

We must believe that God is in control of history and that sinful circumstances cannot undermine this fact. While it is evident that on the Earth sin and its curse are present, it is also evident that it is contained, curtailed and judged. “And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.” (1 John 5:19).

The Devil (also called Satan) rules over his kingdom – the kingdom of darkness – because of the presence of sin on the Earth. The present fallen world is his domain. “But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” (2 Corinthians 4:3,4). Satan is the spiritual ruler of fallen mankind – “the god of this world”. Christ stated: “If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand?” (Luke 11:18a). Hence, Satan’s kingdom is organised and hierarchical.

Christ stated the reality of Satan’s kingdom but showed it to be subject to the Kingdom of God, as are all the world’s kingdoms. “Again, the devil taketh him [Christ] up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.” (Matthew 4:8-10).

The Kingdom of God transcends the world and the devilish rulership of the world. “Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.” (John 14:30). The Lord Jesus Christ said, “My kingdom is not of this world” (see John 18:36), and “But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.” (Luke 11:20).

How we view history is very important. Do we see God in control? Do we understand His providential power? Do we understand His appointed times? “Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times; and the turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the judgment of the LORD.” (Jeremiah 8:7). The judgment of the Lord is upon all sin and there is a time appointed by the Lord for that judgment to be manifested. The kingdoms of the Earth cannot continue forever and, as Daniel reveals, the appointed times are times of a succession of dominating kingdoms until finally the Kingdom of God ends their dominions forever. “And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.” (Daniel 8:19). God appoints the time. God declares the end. Man is not in control of history.

“And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.” (Daniel 2:44).

The terms of history are set by God, not man, since the power of God is greater than anything of man. “And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?” (Daniel 4:35).

One of the titles of God is “Lord God Almighty”. This tells us that nothing is too hard for God. God rules in history, regardless of the presence of sin, rebellious man and the devils. To understand this is to start to understand history properly and to discern the importance of Bible prophecy as God’s mark on history that He is in control and reigns over time. “Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.” (Revelation 11:17). “Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee” (Jeremiah 32:17).

The following Biblical principles should guide our thinking about history:

(1) God is the ultimate ruler of history, regardless of how it might appear to some.
 
(2) The Devil has rulership (as God dictates according to sin and judgment) in the kingdom of men – this is the kingdom of darkness.
 
(3) The world kingdoms are bounded, and so have no influence outside of these boundaries. 
 
(4) Satan’s kingdom could not operate if sin was not present on Earth. Satan’s rulership over rebellious man is a judgment on sin!
 
(5) Satan was deceived enough to think that Jesus was within the dictates of the kingdom of darkness, which operates in a fallen world system.

Satan is “god of this [fallen] world” but not the God of the universe. The Kingdom of God is not of this fallen world and so is outside the dictates of Satan\'s rulership. Thus, righteous men are indeed translated from his influence, rulership and power - only ignorance and sin could keep them connected. Nevertheless, the temptation offered by Satan to Jesus was real in that Satan had something to offer; only Satan found nothing in Jesus that could link him to the kingdom of darkness.

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Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2388', '07470be82b', '', 'Apparently they are selling PCEs again.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2389', '016f6bde9b', '', 'It appears that they are providing PCEs again. Thank the Lord for that.

I repeat: &quot;Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.&quot; (Psalm 35:27).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2390', '19bcdd2446', 'Yes.', '[quote:19bcdd2446]It appears that they are providing PCEs again.[/quote:19bcdd2446]Yes, that\'s great.

Matthew, please elaborate for readers how you came to discern this. Thanks.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2391', '60684356ee', 'The Protector, 28 October 2012', '[img:60684356ee]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:60684356ee]

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PROTESTANT FOUNDATIONS

Bishop Newton wrote that “the members of the church of Rome pretend and boast” that “there hath not been that uninterrupted union and harmony ... before the Reformation: and at the same time it plainly evinces, they betray great ignorance, as well as impertinence, in asking the question, ‘Where was your religion before Luther?’ Our religion, we see, was in the hearts and lives of many faithful witnesses but it is sufficient, if it was no where, else, that it was always in the Bible. ‘The Bible’, as Chillingworth says, ‘the Bible only is the religion of protestants.’”

Here are the ways by which Protestant tradition has come to us today from the time of the Apostles:

Apostles
Early Church Missions
Contantinian Church
Insular Celto-Anglian Church
Eastern Orthodoxy
Paulicians-Albigenses
Waldenses
Anticurial faction of the Latin Church of England
Lollards
Hussites
Reformers-Protestants

It is a lie to say that Protestantism came out of Romanism. It is true that many Protestants came out of Romanism.

“Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you” (2 Corinthians 6:17).

“And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” (Revelation 18:4).

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Read the video description.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2394', '5ffce18691', 'Another word of thanks', 'I was saved by the grace of God in 1972 at the age of 25. I was led to the Lord by three teenagers who shared a tract with me on a visitation night.  At the time, I didn\'t own a bible and one of the teens dropped off a Good News for Modern Man NT.  As I read, I noticed references to alternate renderings, better manuscripts, omitted words, etc. It was troubling to me that I had choices to make.  I began a search for a perfect bible that I thought surely must exist; I bought just about every new bible version as it came out. At one time I had an RSV with Apocrypha, NASB, Living Bible, NEB, NIV and a NSRB.  It wasn\'t until 1980 that my family and I ended up in a KJV Bible-believing church where I learned that the King James Version was God\'s preserved word in English. Soon I learned that there were differences in the KJV Oxford and Cambridge texts.  So my search continued for the perfect bible.  I came across your website in 2007 and what a blessing it has been to me.  The research and documentation you have provided has solidified my faith, which – as we know - comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Rom.10:17). A perfect bible that I can hold in my hands.  Thank you for your ministry.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2395', '061bf16c84', 'The Protector, 4 November 2012', '[img:061bf16c84]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:061bf16c84]

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WONDERS OF CREATION

“Even the sea monsters draw out the breast, they give suck to their young ones: the daughter of my people is become cruel, like the ostriches in the wilderness.” (Lam. 4:3).

It is interesting to learn about how whales breastfeed the young. How Jeremiah knew this, and could write about it, shows more about God’s inspiration than what man’s knowledge by itself at that time could have accomplished. (And who knows what other sea monster mammals the Scripture could have been referring to.)

There are various birds which lay eggs in the wilderness, and bury them in mounts. Ostrich eggs rely on the ground to incubate them rather than body heat. Yet, despite that, the chicks hatch, grow up, and so the cycle of life continues.

“Gavest thou the goodly wings unto the peacocks? or wings and feathers unto the ostrich? Which leaveth her eggs in the earth, and warmeth them in dust, And forgetteth that the foot may crush them, or that the wild beast may break them. She is hardened against her young ones, as though they were not hers: her labour is in vain without fear; Because God hath deprived her of wisdom, neither hath he imparted to her understanding. What time she lifteth up herself on high, she scorneth the horse and his rider.” (Job 39:13–18).

Peacock feathers show marvellous mathematical design in their patterns. There is no way that such patterns and designs and complexity have said to have arisen by mere chance.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2396', 'f2bccb59af', '', 'I have a hard time understanding the Bible sometimes.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2397', '2774cdd07d', 'Thank you', 'First of all, I want to thank Matthew Verschuur for speaking the truth about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Some how, some way, the Lord lead me to your web site and I do want to take this time to thank you. Every since I came upon this site, I have been reading the scriptures in a whole new way that I am understanding. I wonder how it is that people are so looking to leave this world knowing the friends and family are left behind. Christians have become cold hearted for each other and Christ said to love them. Show his Glory of what they have that they need. I want to praise you in your quest for the truth and please keep it going. Let the true Church of Christ shine as a light in this dark time of our age and let them know, God loved them from the beginning.

God speed');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2398', '15ae204895', '', 'That\'s very encouraging.

2Pe 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2Pe 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2399', '5ccc2ed2a7', 'The Protector, 11 November 2012', '[img:5ccc2ed2a7]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:5ccc2ed2a7]

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REMEMBERING

Every year November 11 is a day where people remember the horrors of war, show respect for those who fell in battle, and honour those who have served the nation in a military capacity.

“Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.” (1 Peter 2:17).

Before we step out into this, we need to lay a foundation. Australia is unlike other nations, in that while people claim America was founded by Puritans, Australia was founded expressly with evangelical Christians. We are not (as many leftists and terrorists claim) a nation of “convicts”. In fact, Australia was built by free settlers, primarily from England, but also from Scotland and from Ireland.

Australia’s participation in the Great War was, as we might expect, resisted by a portion of the Roman Catholic party, nevertheless, Australians did so well as they were pivotal in the capture of Palestine from the Turks, and the major victories in France. And since that time, the nation has done well.

But the point is this: the nation that we want to be, that we are supposed to be, is not a collection of individual, self-serving, pleasure-seekers who are unwilling to take responsibility. When someone says that we went to war to preserve our freedom, it is not that kind of licentious freedom that they paid the “ultimate sacrifice” for... rather, it was to keep freedom, so that we can practice our religion without any constraints.

“All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.” (Psalm 22:27).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2400', 'efd03378a7', '', 'Hi,. is the King James Bible the wrong one to be reading?  I need help with this. I want a Bible that hasn\'t been hacked to pieces ---- but at the same time, I would like to be able to understand it.  That has been my problem all my life.  Usually, my questions are met with sarcasm, and it makes me withdraw even further from the bible as I feel lost sometimes.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2401', 'c333a181c8', '', 'The King James Bible is the right one to be reading.

One page:
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2402', '0305e59bfa', 'Are the real disagreements between King James Bibles?', 'Rick Norris claims that there real disagreements between King James Versions. (The debate is here: http://bibleversiondiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/5530/Real-disagreements-between-KJVs )

1. He claims that there are real disagreements between editions of the King James Version.

2. He lists two examples from two different editions printed in 1769.

3. He then posits that these real disagreements and differences can be settled by consulting the original languages.

4. Furthermore, he then states that if editions of the KJB were really self-authenticating, there would be no way to resolve such conflicts.

5. He concludes that since translation is made on the basis of the originals, so should editing.

His points (as I have objectively stated them) bewray incorrect thinking. These are my responses:

1. There are indeed differences between editions of the KJB, but they are not differences in the actual King James Version itself, and they are also fully resolvable, and that we have an edition which resolves all such issues without there being any real grounds for the charge of any significant alteration to the version or translation.

2. Mr Norris purposely withholds which two different editions he lists from 1769. (Watch this short video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBlJNZ1KquM .) We know that in 1769 was printed: &quot;The Complete Family Bible&quot; (Francis Fawkes), Folio (Wright and Gill, Oxford), Quarto (Archdeacon, Cambridge), Quarto (Wright and Gill, Oxford), Octavo (Wright and Gill, Oxford) I think not a Blayney, Duo-decimo (Archdeacon, Cambridge), and a few Testaments. Of course, any of these editions, even the folio and quarto superintended by Blayney, are going to exhibit some differences in their typography and copy-editing work between each other. Mr Norris is therefore not presenting openly all the facts, for that differences exhibited in Bibles printed in 1769 is really the same as saying that there are differences printed in editions printed in EVERY year. He is implying as if there is something about 1769 which is different to any other example.

3. The differences between two editions can most simply be resolved where one edition might have something which is unique, not found in any edition before it, and that it is in the examination of common sense and very evident to some copy editor that it is merely a unique typographical error. There is no necessity to consult the original languages to resolve or answer whether or not something, in this scenario, is a mistake. Whereas Mr Norris implies that consulting the original languages is mandatory, as though the text and translation of the King James Bible itself could be altered (that is, that this would give opportunity to change the actual intended text and translation of the translators of 1611 because an editor, according to Norris, may in fact enter the realm of being a translator.)

4. It is a false dilemma to say that any single edition from the past themselves are to be used as the authority of self-authenticating where and when it is known that editions contained typographical errors and unstandardised spellings, etc. The verity of the text and translation of the King James Bible is not effected nor locked to a typographical error unique in any single impression. It is as absurd as claiming that a book is no longer a Bible because the corner of a page was ripped off. The readings (the version) and the translation of the King James Bible being present in all editions is itself what is self-authenticating. Of course, having an edition which resolves and is free from typographical errors and the like effectively nullify even the hint of such a spurious claim being made against the King James Bible.

5. Editing of the King James Bible has, in the main analysis, and according to what testimony we have, been done in regard to elimination of typographical errors and the standardisation of the language. Presentational issues do not require some sort of necessary reliance upon repeated checking of the original languages as Mr Norris demands. Instead, Mr Norris wishes to debase the historically accepted lineage of editing (e.g. the Pure Cambridge Edition) and supplant the King James Version with various textual and translational adjustments made on an relative standard of some editor’s opinion of the Greek and Hebrew. To the degree that someone like David Norton attempted to do this — and remembering that Norton had another precept about going to a draft copy — it has not yielded successful results.

What does Norris think? That by examining the whole body of variations in the King James Version, he could reconstruct a “correct” text, or else, on the opposite side, produce a critical edition with an apparatus showing all the viable editorial “alternatives” as based on the authority of shoddy printers and numerous editorial decisions? In the end, Norris is about making rumours of war, claiming that there are “conflicts” which need to be (and probably cannot be) “resolved”. Why not surrender to the already achieved victory, the one which has already been bought and paid for, instead of this doctrine of works?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2403', 'c364bf9a0c', 'Some &quot;built&quot;/&quot;builed&quot; discussions', 'Steven Avery wrote,

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burnt-burned &amp; built-builded - grammarian David Crystal explains the distinction
Post #1
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/92509-burnt-burned-built-builded-grammarian-david-crystal-explains-distinction.html#post1905253
In British English, an aspectual distinction is usually involved. The -ed form is used when the duration of an action or the process of acting is being emphasized, and the -t form when something happens once, or takes up very little time, or the focus is on the result of a process rather than on the process itself.

agreement on aspectual distinction
Post #5
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/92509-burnt-burned-built-builded-grammarian-david-crystal-explains-distinction.html#post1905429
bp and ss gave same basic understanding as #1

discussion with David Crystal
Post #43
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/92509-burnt-burned-built-builded-grammarian-david-crystal-explains-distinction-5.html#post1911988
Yesterday I helped David Crystal with one correction (originally he had Philemon instead of Hebrews), one area where the verse count in the blog post was confusing (I\'ll explain that separately) and we had a further discussion of aspectual and emphasis distinctions (the foundational issue for our discussion) looking at specific verses including Hebrews 3:3-4. As well as a bit about other issues like the edition questions.

David Crystal - on reflection - .**
Post #50
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/92509-burnt-burned-built-builded-grammarian-david-crystal-explains-distinction-5.html#post1912719

1611 and PCE - few variances on this grammar distinction
Post #57
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/92509-burnt-burned-built-builded-grammarian-david-crystal-explains-distinction-6.html#post1912849

question for David Crystal - Hebrews 3:3-4
Post #59
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/92509-burnt-burned-built-builded-grammarian-david-crystal-explains-distinction-6.html#post1913203

David Crystal - Hebrews 3:3-4 aspectual distinction - I agree with you ...**
Post #73
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/92509-burnt-burned-built-builded-grammarian-david-crystal-explains-distinction-8.html#post1913853

from blog post - Genesis 8:20 and 22:9
Post #75
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/92509-burnt-burned-built-builded-grammarian-david-crystal-explains-distinction-8.html#post1914010

All this is well worth exploring
Post #78
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/92509-burnt-burned-built-builded-grammarian-david-crystal-explains-distinction-8.html#post1914042

aspectual system was still developing towards the modern system in the 16th century
post #80
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/92509-burnt-burned-built-builded-grammarian-david-crystal-explains-distinction-8.html#post1914467
Amazingly, after reading the above, there are still some who might try to claim that built and builded are simply the same word, two spellings chosen more or less randomly.

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Another thread

built-builded grammarian David Crystal explained the distinction without a difference
the four &quot;he builded&quot; verses
Post #3
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/92954-built-builded-grammarian-david-crystal-explained-distinction-without-difference.html#post1914566

bibleprotector additional verse examples
post #5
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/92954-built-builded-grammarian-david-crystal-explained-distinction-without-difference.html#post1914570

reflection of original Hebrew is in our English Bible
post #27
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/92954-built-builded-grammarian-david-crystal-explained-distinction-without-difference-3.html#post1915909

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Another thread, a simple addition

building knowledge
Nehemiah 3:1 - the emphasis is on the process and the action and the agents
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/92463-building-knowledge-9.html#post1909360

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This was earlier, but has a good verse listing and summary

The Pluperfect: A Primer for the ESL-KJVO
&quot;had built&quot; and &quot;had builded&quot; in the pure Bible
post #8
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/92449-pluperfect-primer-esl-kjvo.html#post1904591
Eleven verses &quot;had built&quot;
Four verses &quot;had builded&quot;

The difference is crystal clear.
Had builded emphasizes the action and process and the agent of building.

... which Solomon the king of Israel had builded for Ashtoreth ...
... for the singers had builded them villages
... and the rest of our enemies, heard that I had builded
... took away the stones of Ramah, and the timber thereof, wherewith Baasha had builded

Mitex of course is a mess on such subtle English grammar issues, we see that time and again

See also post 12, 14, 19, 22, 24 - trying to help Mitex come up to speed.

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This was also earlier, there is also a 14 verse list in here

ESL for the KJVO 

Post #2 - Thomas Cassidy
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/92417-esl-kjvo.html#post1903440
The difference the translators tried to convey was the difference between the imperfect tense (builded) and the aorist tense (built).

Thomas Cassidy makes a lot of errors, I really dunno if he is technically right or not here about the Greek, posts #2 and #5.
And you point out the distinction is in English (even if he is right).

EFL study: all the NT built-builded verses - PCE and AV-1611
Post #14
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/1903728-post14.html
(14 NT verses)

Post #18 is on Gould Brown and the solemn and familiar style of writing

Genesis 8:20 and 13:8 - builded and built
Post #32
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible- versions/92417-esl-kjvo-4.html#post1903999
This is one of the simplest examples.
Simply read Genesis 13. The action ends on verse 18.

more on 33, 36, 40, 42, 48

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An even earlier discussion, it is a 22-page thread, and basically made less significant on burnt-burned after Crystal
and seeing the aspectual distinction.  However, it did cover a lot of stuff !

Non-standard spellings in the 1769 Oxford
Post #28
http://www.fundamentalforums.com/bible-versions/91077-non-standard-spellings-1769-oxford-3.html#post1886299

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2404', 'f86b9b7eb8', 'The Protector, 18 November 2012', '[img:f86b9b7eb8]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:f86b9b7eb8]

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[size=18:f86b9b7eb8][color=darkblue:f86b9b7eb8]EDITORIAL[/color:f86b9b7eb8][/size:f86b9b7eb8]

HATRED OF THE TRUTH

It is absolutely predictable, but to find those who most strongly and stridently attack the King James Bible tend to reject other important doctrines, like young earth creationism.

These are people who talk about having the Scripture to something like 96% accuracy... the number keeps sliding down. In the 1990s, we heard “99%”, in the 2000s, we heard “98%”. Now it is “96%”. At this rate, none of the Scripture will be true by 2065.

We used to hear that there were different editions of the King James Bible. In the 1970s to this year, they would ask, “Which one is the right one?” Now they are beginning to say, “There are different King James Versions.” If I ask, please point to actual differences in the text and translation, they might say something like, “Oh, the Apocrypha was deleted out. And there are many thousands of differences between editions.”

None of these amounts to any real change in the actual text and translation of Scripture in the King James Bible. Even neutral observers would know this. Every honest person can see it.

What we are really observing is a spiritual phenomenon: “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.” (2 Tim. 3:13).

The problem is within their hearts, “Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron” (1 Tim. 4:2).

There are places on the internet where it is open season against people who uphold the King James Bible, and I have personally seen that some of these people have more vitriol and wickedness than hardened atheists.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2405', '9eab19df68', 'KJB Only and Church Unity', '&quot;Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron&quot; (1 Timothy 4:1,2).

I have come to the conclusion that the modern version movement is the result of &quot;seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils&quot;. I am being blunt here because it is evident that many are deceived and need to repent and wake out of sleep.

The modern version movement is inherently against the Almighty, saying in seductive tones that the mechanics of language is too hard for God to overcome and it is impossible to have a pure translation - in other words, the devils are saying that there is no book on the Earth today that completely answers to the originals in perfect sense.

Thus, with this type of lying spirit, how can God be honoured and how can there be proper spiritual unity. The carnal mind says that it wants a &quot;bible&quot; that agrees with man. This may seem harsh but it is true nevertheless.

I have seen so much slander (there is no other word for it) against King James Bible only believers on the internet that I rarely look at unbelieving forums any more.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2406', '7ef3878856', '', 'There is a certain fellow, who has put forth the account of 1 Kings and compared it with 2 Chronicles, and said that based on his understanding of the original languages, there is no difference between “built” and “builded”, but the fact is that the grammar in both verses is different when comparing them.

We find in the Bible that using two different parallel references only then is a fuller sense known of what a person said. There is a design for this, which is to show that by more than one place, complementary information may be discovered.

EXAMPLE ONE

1Ki 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

2Ch 6:18 But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!

EXAMPLE TWO

1Ki 8:43 Hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and do according to all that the stranger calleth to thee for: that all people of the earth may know thy name, to fear thee, as do thy people Israel; and that they may know that this house, which I have builded, is called by thy name.

2Ch 6:33 Then hear thou from the heavens, even from thy dwelling place, and do according to all that the stranger calleth to thee for; that all people of the earth may know thy name, and fear thee, as doth thy people Israel, and may know that this house which I have built is called by thy name.');
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[size=18:64cfdb3409][color=darkblue:64cfdb3409]EDITORIAL[/color:64cfdb3409][/size:64cfdb3409]

AN ADDRESS TO A MODERN VERSION SUPPORTER

&quot;For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.&quot; (James 2:10).
There are two things for you to consider.

1. You have many points in the law which you cannot be certain about, no, not even in the original languages.

2. All your labours concerning looking at the law, that it in the original languages has no perfect discernible form, and that in English you think it has none, shows that you, by your own conscience, will know that you are fallen short of God\'s measure.
&quot;O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?&quot; (Romans 7:24).

Is all your labour, all your efforts and all your striving actually coming to an answer, are you actually coming to find what is the exact message and words of God? Or is it all showing one thing, being, that for all your attendance, you are only seeing shortfall, failing and lack of perfection.

That death spoken of here means separation from God. Are you willing to honestly admit to yourself that you do not and cannot know God\'s exact words to the fullest measure? This means you are separate, you are held back, you are in a state of not being connected to the very knowledge of the fullness of the words of the Scripture.
Let me share with you the good news, the solution to this grave problem.
&quot;But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.&quot; (Romans 5:15).
You know that you see many mistakes and great uncertainty in the words you search. But there is a free gift. And that free gift is that God, in his goodness, in His desire to give, has done something very grand for us. He has done something special for you. He has graciously given you a gift.

You do not have to expend all these efforts to get it. You do not have to run hither and yon.

It is not as if the Scripture is just somewhere, or just generally about, but that God\'s gift to you is the very perfect words of God.

As a born again person, this is part of salvation, part of what is offered for you.

De 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. 
De 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 
De 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 
De 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2409', '31614f184b', 'Proverbs 12:26 and the Bible Babble Buffet', 'This is part of an ongoing Bible comparison study. You can see Part 2 here -
http://brandplucked.webs.com/biblebabel2.htm

Proverbs 12:26 &quot;The righteous IS MORE EXCELLENT THAN HIS NEIGHBOR; but the way of the wicked seduceth them.&quot;

John Gill comments on the meaning of the verse - &quot;The righteous is more excellent than his neighbour… Not than his neighbour who is righteous also; ... but the righteous is more excellent than his neighbour, who is ungodly and unrighteous, or however who has no other righteousness than his own; though his neighbour may be of more noble birth, and have even the title of &quot;his excellency&quot; given him; though he may have a larger share of wealth and riches; and though he may have attained a greater degree of natural wisdom and understanding, be a man of brighter parts, and of a larger capacity; yet, being righteous, he is more excellent than he: his superior excellency lies in his righteousness, from whence he is denominated; the righteousness of Christ, imputed to him, is far better than the best righteousness of his neighbour; it being the righteousness of God, his is the righteousness of a creature.&quot;

Adam Clarke also agrees with this sense of the Hebrew and the KJB reading, as does Matthew Henry who comments: &quot;There is a true excellency in religion; it ennobles men, inspires them with generous principles, makes them substantial; it is an excellency which is, in the sight of God, of great price, who is the true Judge of excellency. His neighbour may make a greater figure in the world, may be more applauded, but the righteous man has the intrinsic worth. &quot;

Agreeing with the King James Bible reading are the Bishops\' bible 1568-&quot;The ryghteous excelleth his neyghbour&quot;, the Geneva Bible 1599 &quot;The righteous is more excellent then his neighbour.&quot;, 1936 Hebrew translation, Webster\'s 1833 translation - &quot;The righteous is more excellent than his neighbor&quot;, the New American Bible 1970 - &quot;The just man surpasses his neighbor&quot;, the KJV 21st Century 1994 and the Third Millenium Bible 1998.

The NKJV says: &quot;The righteous SHOULD CHOOSE HIS FRIENDS CAREFULLY.&quot;

NASB says &quot;The righteous is A GUIDE to his neighbor&quot;

NIV 1984 edition has &quot;the righteous man is CAUTIOUS IN FRIENDSHIP.&quot; But...

The NIV 2011 now reads: &quot;The righteous CHOOSE THEIR FRIENDS CAREFULLY&quot; But...

The NIV Spanish edition La Nueva Versión Internacional of 1999 says: &quot;El justo es guía de su prójimo&quot; =The righteous IS A GUIDE TO HIS NEIGHBOR.&quot; (Yeah, that\'s pretty close to the NIV English version, right?)

Holman Standard - &quot;A righteous man IS CAREFUL IN DEALING WITH HIS NEIGHBOR.&quot;

The Message - &quot;A good person SURVIVES MISFORTUNE.&quot;

The CEV (Contemporary English Version) of 1995 put out by the American Bible Society is so &quot;contemporary&quot; that it is unrecognizable. Sure, it\'s &quot;easy to read&quot; but is it even close to what God said? It says: &quot; YOU ARE BETTER OFF TO DO RIGHT, THAN TO LOSE YOUR WAY BY DOING WRONG.&quot;

Young\'s \'literal\' - &quot;The righteous SEARCHETH HIS COMPANION.&quot;

2012 Knox Bible - &quot;IT IS WELL DONE TO PUT UP WITH LOSS FOR A NEIGHBOUR\'S NEED; the calculations of the sinner do but lead him astray.&quot; (Say What?!?)

RSV 1952 - &quot;A righteous man TURNS AWAY FROM EVIL.&quot;

NRSV 1989 - &quot;The righteous GIVES GOOD ADVICE TO FRIENDS.&quot;

The REB (Revised English Bible) of 1989 - &quot;The righteous ARE FREED FROM EVIL, but the wicked take a path that leads them astray.&quot;

ESV 2001 - &quot;One who is righteous IS A GUIDE TO HIS NEIGHBOR.&quot;

The Catholic Versions 
Let\'s see how the Catholic bible versions handle this verse. All four of them are completely different.

Douay-Rheims 1609, 1950 - &quot;HE THAT NEGLECTETH A LOSS FOR THE SAKE OF A FRIEND, IS JUST.&quot;

Jerusalem Bible 1968 - &quot;AN IMPARTIAL ARBITER IS HIS OWN BEST FRIEND.&quot;

St. Joseph New American Bible 1970 - &quot;The just man SURPASSES HIS NEIGHBOR.&quot; This one is actually like the King James Bible here)

The New Jerusalem 1985 - &quot;The upright SHOWS THE WAY TO A FRIEND; the way of the wicked leads them astray.&quot;

The LXX - Even Adam Clarke says - The Septuagint is insufferable: &quot;The WELL-INSTRUCTED RIGHTEOUS SHALL BE HIS OWN FRIEND.&quot;

The Jewish Translations

How about the Jewish translations? They too all differ from each other. So much for &quot;going to the Hebrew&quot;.

Jewish Publication Society 1917 - &quot;The righteous IS GUIDED BY HIS FRIEND.&quot;

Hebrew Publishing Company 1936 - &quot;The righteous IS MORE EXCELLENT THAN HIS NEIGHBOUR.&quot; = KJB.

The Complete Jewish Bible - &quot;The righteous GUIDES HIS FRIEND\'S WAY RIGHTLY.&quot;

The 2001 Judaica Press Tanach - &quot;The righteous IS MORE GENEROUS THAN HIS NEIGHBOR.&quot;

The Orthodox Jewish Bible 2011 - &quot;The tzaddik (righteous) PREVAILETH ADVANTAGEOUSLY OVER his neighbor, but the derech resha’im leads them astray.&quot; 

Note: Actually, this last one is pretty close to the meaning found in the King James Bible. Also, note the use of &quot;that old, archaic English&quot; in this very recent translation done in 2011 that uses the word &quot;prevaileth&quot;. By the way, here is Proverbs 30:6 in this 2011 translation - &quot;Add THOU not unto His devarim, lest He rebuke THEE, and THOU be found a kazav (liar).&quot; (CAPS are mine)

You can see for yourself this Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB) Copyright © 2002, 2003, 2008, 2010, 2011 by Artists for Israel International at Gateway here -

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2412', '346d7b8a5e', 'The Protector, 2 December 2012', '[img:346d7b8a5e]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:346d7b8a5e]

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[size=18:346d7b8a5e][color=darkblue:346d7b8a5e]EDITORIAL[/color:346d7b8a5e][/size:346d7b8a5e]

EARTHLY REWARDS

“And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.” (Luke 8:18–23).

What the rich young ruler failed to realise was: “He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto the LORD; and that which he hath given will he pay him again.” (Proverbs 19:17).

Jesus was not trying to rob that man, nor was he saying you need to be poor in the kingdom of God. He was promising him great blessings if he trusted God first. But this man did not trust God first, even though he called Jesus the “Good Master”. He wanted to hold onto his material wealth.

Notice why God blessed Abram, “And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing” (Genesis 12:2). The blessing, all that wealth, was so that Abram would bless others.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2413', '44332c1aa4', 'Daniel 9:26 &quot;Messiah cut off, BUT NOT FOR HIMSELF&quot;', 'Daniel 9:26 &quot;Messiah cut off, but NOT FOR HIMSELF&quot;

An extremely important Messianic prophecy about the significance of the death of Christ has been drastically changed in a multitude of conflicting modern versions.

&quot;And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, BUT NOT FOR HIMSELF.&quot;

Christ, who obviously is the Messiah, was cut off out of the land of the living and He died, not for Himself, but for His people. He laid down His life as a ransom for many. He gave Himself for the church, laid down His life for the sheep, and purchased the church of God with His own blood. By His death the Lord Jesus Christ made reconciliation for iniquity and brought in everlasting righteousness, as the immediate context of Daniel 9:24 tells us.

There is no verb in the Hebrew text of Daniel 9:26; it reads &quot;but not for himself&quot;. This is also the reading of the Bishop\'s Bible 1568 -&quot;After these threescore &amp; two weekes shall Messiah be slaine, &amp; not for him selfe&quot; , the NKJV 1982, the French Martin  of 1744  - “le CHRIST sera retranché, mais non pas pour soi”, the Romanian  Fidela of 2010 &quot;dar nu pentru el însu&#351;i&quot;, the Reina Valera 1865 Angel de Mora, the 1909 Reina Valera and the 2010 Reina Valera Gomez bible - “Daniel 9:26 Y después de las sesenta y dos semanas el Mesías será muerto, y no por sí.” but they changed the 1995 Reina Valera and it now reads like the NIV. Also agreeing with the King James reading of &quot;but not for Himself&quot; are Webster\'s 1833 translation, The Modern Greek Translation -&quot;&#922;&#945;&#953; &#956;&#949;&#964;&#945; &#964;&#945;&#962; &#949;&#958;&#951;&#954;&#959;&#957;&#964;&#945; &#948;&#965;&#959; &#949;&#946;&#948;&#959;&#956;&#945;&#948;&#945;&#962; &#952;&#949;&#955;&#949;&#953; &#949;&#954;&#954;&#959;&#960;&#951; &#959; &#935;&#961;&#953;&#963;&#964;&#959;&#962;, &#960;&#955;&#951;&#957; &#959;&#965;&#967;&#953; &#948;&#953;\' &#949;&#945;&#965;&#964;&#959;&#957;·&quot;,  the Third Millenium Bible 1998, Green\'s 1998 Modern KJV 2000, the 2011 Orthodox Jewish Bible - &quot;And after threescore and two heptads, yikaret (will be cut off) Moshiach [Yeshayah 53:8], but not for himself.&quot;,  and the KJV 21st Century Version 1994. Even the NIV footnote gives the reading of the King James Bible &quot;or, cut off, but not for Himself&quot;, but the text of the NIV reads quite differently.

Versions like the NIV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Holman, and NASB read: &quot;Messiah shall be cut off AND HAVE NOTHING.&quot; Messiah shall have nothing?!? He purchased His people and bought His bride with His own blood! He certainly did not &quot;have nothing&quot;.

The NIV is not always translated in the same way into foreign languages. The Spanish NIV, La Nueva Versión Internacional 1999 says: &quot;después de las sesenta y dos semanas, se le quitará la vida al príncipe elegido. Éste se quedará sin ciudad y sin santuario, porque un futuro gobernante los destruirá.&quot; which means &quot;After 62 weeks the life of the elect prince will be taken away. THIS ONE WILL REMAIN WITHOUT A CITY AND WITHOUT A SANCTUARY...&quot;! But the Portuguese NIV reads differently than both the English and Spanish versions.  The NIV Portuguese edition, Nova Versão Internacional 2000 has: &quot;Depois das sessenta e duas semanas, o Ungido será morto, e já não haverá lugar para ele.&quot; which comes out to mean - &quot;After the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one is dead, AND THERE WILL BE NO PLACE FOR HIM.&quot;

Dr. Daniel Wallace and company, of Dallas Theological Seminary, is writing his own bible version on the internet. It is called the NET bible and it often rejects the clear Hebrew readings and frequently comes up with meanings not found in any other bible out there in print. His NET version with commentary says: &quot;Now after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one will be cut off AND HAVE NOTHING.&quot; Then he footnotes: &quot;The expression &quot;HAVE NOTHING&quot; is difficult. Presumably it refers to an absence of support or assistance for the anointed one at the time of his “cutting off.” The KJV rendering “but not for himself,” apparently suggesting A VICARIOUS DEATH, CANNOT BE DEFENDED.&quot;

This &quot;renowned scholar&quot; admits his own rendering &quot;is difficult&quot;, and &quot;a presumption&quot;, but then he adamantly tells that the idea of a substitutionary death as found in the King James Bible &quot;cannot be defended&quot;. He is uncertain about his own reading, but certain that the King James Bible got it wrong! Aren\'t Bible correctors a kick in the head? Well, as we shall soon see, a great many Bible commentators, teachers and translators are not at all in agreement with Dr. Wallace\'s opinions.

Matthew Henry comments: &quot;In order to all this the Messiah must be cut off, must die a violent death, and so be cut off from the land of the living, as was foretold, Isa. 53:8. He must be cut off, BUT NOT FOR HIMSELF —not for any sin of his own, but, as Caiaphas prophesied, HE MUST DIE FOR THE PEOPLE, IN OUR STEAD and for our good, it was TO ATONE FOR OUR SINS, and to purchase life for us, that he was cut off.&quot;

John Wesley tersely remarks: &quot; Not for himself - BUT FOR OUR SAKES, and for our salvation.&quot;

John Gill offers two different interpretations but he gives this one first: &quot;when Jesus the true Messiah was cut off in a judicial way; not for any sins of his own, BUT FOR THE SINS OF HIS PEOPLE, to make satisfaction for them, and TO OBTAIN THEIR REDEMPTION and salvation.&quot;

David Guzik\'s Commentary says simply: &quot;The Messiah will be cut off FOR THE SAKE OF OTHERS, NOT FOR HIMSELF.&quot;

C.H. Spurgeon comments: &quot;The Messiah shall be cut off, but not for himself.&quot; - Daniel 9:26 &quot;Blessed be his name, there was no cause of death in him. Neither original nor actual sin had defiled him, and therefore death had no claim upon him. No man could have taken his life from him justly, for he had done no man wrong, and no man could even have lain him by force unless he had been pleased to yield himself to die. But lo, one sins and another suffers. Justice was offended by us, but found its satisfaction in him. Rivers of tears, mountains of offerings, seas of the blood of bullocks, and hills of frankincense, could not have availed for the removal of sin; BUT JESUS WAS CUT OFF FOR US, and the cause of wrath was cut off at once, for sin was put away for ever. Herein is wisdom, whereby SUBSTITUTION, the sure and speedy WAY OF ATONEMENT, was devised! Herein is condescension, which brought Messiah, the Prince, to wear a crown of thorns, and die upon the cross! Herein is love, which led the Redeemer to LAY DOWN HIS LIFE FOR HIS ENEMIES!

Matthew Poole was well aware of all the different theories and ideas about how to translate this passage and he comments on it in his Commentary on the whole Bible saying: -  Daniel 9:26 “Messiah shall be cut off, but not for himself” - But not for himself - which being abrupt, is variously rendered and read; some referring it to Christ, and some to the people, and others to both, and all with very probable conjectures: There was none to succour him ; or that they would none of him for their Messiah; they set him at nought, and would not have him live, and therefore he would not own them for his people, but cast them off, for thus dying is expressed in short, not to be.  But our English translation seems to hit the truest sense, i. e. not for himself. He was innocent and guiltless, he died for others, not for himself, but for our sakes and for our salvation.” 

Bible Babel in Action

Here are some other &quot;bible versions&quot; and their readings for comparison. See if this clears things up for us and verifies the statements made by many today that &quot;There are no conflicting bibles&quot;, or &quot;By reading a multitude of different versions we get a better idea of what the text says&quot;.

Wycliffe 1395 - &quot;Christ shall be slain, and IT SHALL NOT BE HIS PEOPLE THAT SHALL DENY HIM.&quot;

Coverdale 1535 &quot;Christ shall be slain AND THEY SHALL HAVE NO PLEASURE IN HIM.&quot;

The New English bible 1970 says: &quot;one who is anointed is removed WITHOUT ANYONE TO TAKE HIS PART.&quot;

The Lesser Old Testament 1853 - &quot;And after the sixty and two weeks will an anointed one be cut off WITHOUT A SUCCESSOR TO FOLLOW HIM.&quot;

Young\'s \'literal\' translation has: &quot;cut off is Messiah AND THE CITY AND THE HOLY PLACE ARE NOT.&quot;

Lamsa\'s 1936 translation of the Syriac - &quot;Messiah shall be slain AND THE CITY SHALL BE WITHOUT A RULER.&quot;

The alleged Greek Septuagint (LXX) reads: &quot;the anointed one shall be destroyed AND THERE IS NO JUDGMENT IN HIM.&quot;

The Message of 2002 - &quot;After the sixty-two sevens, the Anointed Leader will be killed--THE END OF HIM.&quot; (Not quite true, is it?)

1917 Jewish Publication Society translation - &quot;shall an anointed one be cut off AND BE NO MORE.&quot; (Again not true)

The Good News Translation - Second edition says: &quot;And at the end of that time God\'s chosen leader will be killed UNJUSTLY.&quot; Then it footnotes: &quot;One ancient translation unjustly; Hebrew unclear.&quot;

The Easy To Read Version 2001 - &quot;After the 62 weeks, the chosen person will be killed. HE WILL BE GONE.&quot;

The Common English Bible 2011 - &quot;after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one will be eliminated. NO ONE WILL SUPPORT HIM.&quot; (Then it footnotes that &quot;Hebrew is uncertain&quot;)

The Catholic versions are all in disagreement with each other too.

The Douay Version of 1950 says: - &quot;And after sixty-two weeks Christ shall be slain: AND THE PEOPLE THAT SHALL DENY HIM SHALL NOT BE HIS.&quot;

Then the Jerusalem Bible of 1968 has: &quot;an anointed one will be cut off - AND....WILL NOT BE FOR HIM.&quot; (This is actually how it reads)

The St. Joseph New American Bible of 1970 has: &quot;an anointed shall be cut down WHEN HE DOES NOT POSSESS THE CITY&quot;

And finally the New Jerusalem Bible of 1985 says: &quot;an Anointed One put to death WITHOUT HIS...city and sanctuary ruined by a prince who is to come.&quot; (Again, this is actually how it reads)

May I suggest you take a few moments to review this list of conflicting bible readings, and then ask God to open your eyes to see which one presents the truth about why Messiah was cut off, and what His death accomplished? The King James Bible always comes out on top when the Truth of God is revealed to the believing heart.

Will Kinney

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GOD’S RULE

God is in control of history.

“This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.” (Daniel 4:17).

God is ruling and reigning. He is above the operations of man. The world is limited in time and space. And God is directing things that happen. The Scripture says, “the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.” (Daniel 4:32).

Events are happening as have been laid out in the Scripture. This means that we see and know is not random, but is happening for a purpose. Nations are raised up with direction, and vision is placed in people because God has plans for them.

It is not by our own will, but our will should be to submit to His will.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvlUv0Lcr2M&amp;list=UUIVbQENrEiURy0trnvrFR_w&amp;index=2');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2416', '5cce73e1fb', 'Psalm 12 does relate to the KJB', 'Using an English-only method of expounding Psalm 12, it can be identified that the psalm is directly thematic to a contrast between the godly and the wicked, and the war of the wicked against the righteous by means of evil words.

This means that it would be improper to limit the meaning of the psalm to the preservation of God’s words, when the medium of godly words is in the hands (i.e. the protection of) God’s people.

I believe that this psalm is prophetic, and speaks of the post-French Revolution world. This would mean that the host of ideological words being spoken against the truth, such as modernistic, atheistic, rationalistic philosophy, which is totally me-centric, is being identified.

Further, since the Historicist understanding of Bible prophecy points to the Pope as a chief speaker (the little horn with the blaspheming mouth in Daniel 7, a lamb which speaks as a dragon in Revelation 13), it would then create a strong link between religious words being spoken against the truth.

This would mean all the words which are spoken against the authenticity of the Bible, all the doubt cast against inspiration, as well as the entire premises underlying modern versions about the continual studies into the original languages and collation of manuscript copies, where they enforce the idea that no finality, no certainty and no end to seeking is possible.

Despite the multiplicity of modern versions of the Bible, the myriad of variant readings and the exponential number of variations in translation into English, the Lord’s promise in this psalm is that He would proffer pure words. These words have come from the furnace of history, and are tried and found pure.

The greatest element, however, is that the Spirit prophesies of intervention in history against those things which are attacking the standard of purity and perfection of the King James Bible. It has JEHOVAH saying, “now will I arise”, meaning that there is coming a time where He will confirm the truth of this matter in His undeniably remarkable way.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2417', '45cea92b46', '', 'Just received a large print KJB from AVPublications.com. It is a Cambridge KJ653: T

It passes Ezra 2:26 and the other 12 tests, except for:

11. &quot;spirit&quot; not &quot;Spirit&quot; in Acts 11:28
12. &quot;spirit&quot; not &quot;Spirit&quot; in 1 John 5:8 

I ordered my 1st KJB from AVPublications.com about a year ago and received the TBS 9CFR B946. It passes on Ezra 2:26 and the other 12 tests except:

12. &quot;spirit&quot; not &quot;Spirit&quot; in 1 John 5:8');
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PSALM 12: A PROPHECY OF THE KING JAMES BIBLE

Ps 12:1 Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men. 
Ps 12:2 They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak. 
Ps 12:3 The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things: 
Ps 12:4 Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us? 
Ps 12:5 For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him. 
Ps 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 
Ps 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. 
Ps 12:8 The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.

Using an English-only method of expounding Psalm 12, it can be identified that the psalm is directly thematic to a contrast between the godly and the wicked, and the war of the wicked against the righteous by means of evil words. 

This means that it would be improper to limit the meaning of the psalm to the preservation of God’s words, when the medium of godly words is in the hands (i.e. the protection of) God’s people. 

I believe that this psalm is prophetic, and speaks of the post-French Revolution world. This would mean that the host of ideological words being spoken against the truth, such as modernistic, atheistic, rationalistic philosophy, which is totally me-centric, is being identified. 

Further, since the Historicist understanding of Bible prophecy points to the Pope as a chief speaker (the little horn with the blaspheming mouth in Daniel 7, a lamb which speaks as a dragon in Revelation 13), it would then create a strong link between religious words being spoken against the truth. 

This would mean all the words which are spoken against the authenticity of the Bible, all the doubt cast against inspiration, as well as the entire premises underlying modern versions about the continual studies into the original languages and collation of manuscript copies, where they enforce the idea that no finality, no certainty and no end to seeking is possible. 

Despite the multiplicity of modern versions of the Bible, the myriad of variant readings and the exponential number of variations in translation into English, the Lord’s promise in this psalm is that He would proffer pure words. These words have come from the furnace of history, and are tried and found pure. 

The greatest element, however, is that the Spirit prophesies of intervention in history against those things which are attacking the standard of purity and perfection of the King James Bible. It has JEHOVAH saying, “now will I arise”, meaning that there is coming a time where He will confirm the truth of this matter in His undeniably remarkable way.

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There are seven distinct purifications that the Bible in English has come through. They are the 7 main English Bibles of the Reformation.

Tyndale, Coverdale, Matthew, Great, Geneva, Bishops\' and King James.

It is also possible to look at the history of the King James Bible itself, and see seven major editions, the first being the making of the Bible in 1611 (and improving upon the former translations above mentioned), and then the second edition of 1611, 1613 Fol., 1629 Cambridge Fol., 1638 Cambridge Fol., 1769 Oxford Fol. and the Pure Cambridge Edition which is available right now (on this website).

This means we have God\'s Word exactly in English. Psalm 12 shows that God does keep His words, and keep His Word that He would keep His words.');
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ANSWERING THE (SINCERE) QUESTIONS

Paul, in his ministry, sometimes had “dialogues” with Jews. Some were convinced, some were not.

“But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear” (1 Peter 3:15).

Here is an answer I gave to someone today who claimed that the KJB had “errors”.

First off, the message within the KJB is important. While it is true that I talk about the KJB as an external entity, the real focus is on its contents, and importantly, its relevance.

While it is not overtly a requirement of salvation to use the KJB, it is natural that it should be used and encouraged to be used based on the Scripture itself. Upholding and using the KJB is a doctrine based within Scripture, it is not merely an external opinion based on outside ideas.

I don’t know why you would distinguish between the “KJV” and the “AV1611”, since they are the same.

Also, it is a problem to think that the original autographs of the Scripture contains attributes that are not present/lost/absent today. The whole intent of Scripture was for its lasting continuance, as has been recovered and gathered, and its use by Christians through all ensuing ages of history.

It is your opinion (and that of many others) that “There is no English translation that can with 100% accuracy translate the words, context, idioms, etc. of the original language.”

The first problem with your statement is that you do not have the original autographs to compare to.

More reasonably, in all the “manuscript evidence” that does exist, there is no final, settled text — there is no Greek or Hebrew edition which can be used as the basis of judging, because there is none perfect, no, not one.

And again, so many varieties of opinions (from Church Fathers, scholars and individuals) exist as to what Greek words “really” mean, and how passages should be rendered, that there is no authority here also to say that the KJB is wrong.

In regard to the candlestick, it was not theology, but proper English and sound translation methodology which led to the way in which words appear today. The word “its” is not used in the KJB except for in regard to the generation of grains at one place, where the “it” means a process, but things are described in the masculine or feminine form. Whatever “theology” you think was behind that, I know not.

The “issues” therefore do not exist, except as a false dilemma created by people who do not accept the sound method of relying upon the proper, traditional rendering of the Scripture in English.

Again, in regards to supposed “missing” portions of psalms, this too is a misdirection. It is known that there are letters not used in other such psalms, and that they are not considered to be missing portions. The so-called “acrostic” idea has no bearing whatever, and any manifestation of it has no bearing in English. In other words, it is of no consequence to the point.

To claim that “The KJV has verifiable errors and issues” is a statement of opinion. In reality, one should say, “I have issues with the KJB”, but from everything I have seen (and what I expect to see) there are no errors.

Since the Scripture itself is “inerrant”, it makes sense that the Scripture being used to evangelise, preach, teach doctrine from and build our lives on should be “inerrant”. Of course, an accurate translation is desirable, and really, in the end of all things, required.

Again, you appear to have a logical fallacy, you say, “Something claimed to be inerrant must have 0 errors or the claim is immediately disproven. Even though I recognize the errors ...” Notice where the problem of errors lies, not with the KJB, but with your “recognition”. I could say, “error is in the eye of the beholder”.

Furthermore, just by saying “error” does not equal proof.

Moreover, you have a different method of putting sounds to both Hebrew consonants and vowels, and really an unsettled apparatus for nonsensical pronunciations, like “Yehoweh” which differs materially from “Yahovah”, and certainly these are unlike the Scripture’s “JEHOVAH”.

In summary, you basically have a humanistic philosophy of attempting to divine what is the correct Scripture today, and how to say the name of God, rather than any method of actually receiving (not by works, but by faith) the evident perfection providentially supplied for all throughout the increasingly Englished world.

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Take note that the Bible says “above all”. God obviously places great importance upon using this shield. The shield is made up of the impenetrable substance called faith (Hebrews 11:1). What is faith? Simply put, faith is believing and acting on God’s Word. Nothing the enemy (the devil) can fire against you can even dent the shield when it is being held up properly - as we are commanded to do so in the Bible. God has given us a powerful piece of equipment here. If you have previously thought of the shield as a small thing, think again about it. It’s massive shield, big enough to protect you - spirit, soul and body. And we are the ones who are responsible for using it. The moment we drop the shield, we become an open target for the devil. When it is held up, we cannot be hurt (see Luke 10:19) Rather, it enables us to stand in a strong position to use the offensive weaponry God has given us, like the Sword of the Spirit.
The shield will see us safely from point A to point B as we stand and patiently wait for the manifestation of God’s victory in our lives. It will quench (extinguish, put out, render ineffective) all of the devil’s destructive fiery darts. Glory to God!');
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BELIEVING

“And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” (Acts 8:37).

There are a lot of “kinda, sorta” believers, but the Bible demands a belief that is sincere and actual. The scripture here lays out that belief must be “all”.

Many people seem to mistake strong feelings for believing. When in reality feelings have probably nothing at all to do with believing. That means whether people are feeling a lack or down, or whether they are feeling good and well. This is no measure of belief.

The real reason why there is a lack of results, answers and fruit is because of a lack of belief.

“But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.” (Matthew 19:26).

“Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.” (Mark 9:23).

“And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.” (Mark 10:27).

Believing is about actually knowing that God is there, that the Bible is true. Most people do not understand this, and talk about “blind faith”. Bible faith is not blind. It is looking with spiritual eyes to see the presence, provision and power of the LORD.

Dear Father, we pray your blessing on believers in 2013, in Jesus’ name, Amen!

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The book of the chronicles was accurate and able to be tangibly looked at to determine facts and truth. The Bible is a book that is able to be looked at. However, the many differences between modern versions and the King James Bible give grounds for skeptics to say that accuracy does not exist.

Praise the Lord that the transfer of God\'s words from Heaven to Earth have occurred and they are accurately recorded in the KJB. &quot;And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth&quot; (Revelation 10:1,2).');
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CARNAL ORDINANCES

Some people get so caught up in seeing “evil” that they can do no good. This is called “flesh killing”. Instead of believing righteousness by faith, they believe that they must stop sin by works.

Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

This kind of attitude has been prevalent among those who claim that all music is bad (because some is bad), that the symbol of a cross is bad (because some bad religions use it), that Easter, Christmas and birthdays are bad (because evil people give gifts?!) and so the list goes on.

In recent years, some folks have said that you shouldn’t use the word “inspired” with the King James Bible, because people might think that you are saying that the translators were inspired in 1604–1611.

These are problems of where people throw the baby out with the bathwater. But often these cases become either obviously foolish or hypocritical.

And so people say foolish things like, “I’m not religious, I’m in a relationship.” In this, they failed to discern the difference between good religion and bad religion.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2428', '33767f02dc', '', 'There is an excellent quote from Ian Paisley.

“And it’s not the word of man, it’s the word of God. Now, of course, Rome used to burn the Bibles, she used to burn the people that translated them, she used to burn the people that read them — but that didn’t succeed. So she decided upon another scheme: that she would place her Jesuit priests in the training of Protestant ministers. And so into the universities of Germany Rome set at work the whole structure of unbelieving higher criticism. And she had in the universities men who sought to destroy belief in the Bible, and we became cursed with what was known as higher criticism. And young men had their faith in the Bible destroyed in the universities and in the training colleges. And so the men that came out to be ordained didn’t believe the book, they didn’t believe the creeds of the Church, they didn’t believe in the historic Christian faith, and they set at work to destroy the faith.”

Dr D. A. Waite oversimplifies textual criticism as judging manuscripts. In reality, textual criticism judges readings.

TARES part 4.

There are mistakes in the quotes of the King James Bible as follows:

2:04 - the first word &quot;That&quot; should be with a capital &quot;T&quot;; that the word in 2 Tim. 3 v. 17 is &quot;throughly&quot;, not &quot;thoroughly&quot;.

2:27 - Ps. 119 v. 160 has a colon after &quot;beginning&quot;, not comma.

2:34 - John 10 v. 35 is &quot;scripture&quot; not &quot;Scriptures&quot;.

2:48 - 1 Peter 1 v. 24 the word &quot;as&quot; is missing before &quot;grass&quot;! The word &quot;the&quot; is wrongly added before the second &quot;grass&quot;! The word &quot;word&quot; in v. 25 should be lower case.');
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GOD WANTS TO GET INFORMATION TO YOU

“But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” (1 John 2:27)

The Spirit of God is not an unknowable force, but is God present with believers today.

As we are interpreting the Bible, we can rely on the reality that we can understand the Bible, not just by our own intellect, but by the Spirit of God.

It seems very inconsistent for people to think that the Holy Ghost would lead people away from the Word of God. It would go against the grain for people to say that the Holy Ghost led them to a lexicon or to find the real meaning of a word in Greek or Hebrew. In fact, the things that people say are in the Greek or Hebrew seem to always be based on their own mind.

Consider that someone has a doctrine. They read a verse, and when they look at the meaning of a Greek word there, they find it might “bolster” their particular doctrine. So often, such practices lead away from right doctrines. (And to use this method to confirm right doctrines is completely unnecessary.)

Why would someone turn to the thoughts of men, their own carnal reasoning, and the realm which has been overtaken by doubt and unbelief (and general uncertainty) to find “truth” when it is present, at hand and manifest in our own Bible?

“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD” (Amos 8:11).

It is not as if God is unable to communicate. It is not as if the Holy Ghost is absent. It is no as if His words are lost.

What it really comes down to is that people are unwilling to have a proper heart to receive the truth, so they run off to the Hebrew and Greek. Preachers who promote faith and sound doctrine should not have to do this, and we don’t do it because God supplied all our need and gave us His Word in English and the Holy Ghost long ago (see Matthew 7:7).

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New postPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:30 pm    Post subject: The Protector, 13 January 2013 	Reply with quote
[quote:b9be48c07f]GOD WANTS TO GET INFORMATION TO YOU

“But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” (1 John 2:27)
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What it really comes down to is that people are unwilling to have a proper heart to receive the truth, so they run off to the Hebrew and Greek.[/quote:b9be48c07f]

Thanks; so true, whenever I discuss KJB in other forums, it inevitably turns to the unknown tongues of Hebrew and Greek.');
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2432', '1a7ee45b79', 'first shall be last; and the last shall be first', 'I have always asked myself the question of this secret rapture and I find it hard to believe. After reading the following text, I found that the Hope is in Jesus Christ and that ALL MEN SHALL BE SAVED. If we say the Rapture happens soon, then we are omitting that we are in the 1000 year reign with Christ which I know Thrones have not been cast down to Earth yet. When you read the following, maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong. 

[b:1a7ee45b79][u:1a7ee45b79]1st Witness[/u:1a7ee45b79][/b:1a7ee45b79]
Matthew 19:27-30
27 ¶ Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? 28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life. 30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

[u:1a7ee45b79][b:1a7ee45b79]2nd Witness[/b:1a7ee45b79][/u:1a7ee45b79]
Daniel 7:
9 ¶ I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. 10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. 11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. 12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had
their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. 13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

[u:1a7ee45b79][b:1a7ee45b79]Witness 3[/b:1a7ee45b79][/u:1a7ee45b79]
Revelation 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a
thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the
thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Which would make since with 1 CORINTHIANS 15:22 &quot;For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.&quot; 

Because 1 CORINTHIANS 15 deals with the dead shall rise, not the Dead in Christ.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

And 1 THESSALONIANS 4 deals with the Dead in Christ:
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.[/b]');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2433', '7ffa071eee', 'Answers from the Bible', 'IS THERE A SECRET RAPTURE?

A surprise translation of the saints is not difficult, since,

1. The Olivet Discourse talks about watchfulness, awareness, saying we do not know when Jesus should come (see also the parable of the ten virgins).

2. The idea of one taken and one left (e.g. Matthew 24:40, 41) indicates instant change like Elijah being taken up.

3. The mystery revealed in 1 Cor. 15:51 is that living believers are changed, and the dead are changed. This is talking about believers at Jesus’ coming.

4. Christ’s first descending is only to the clouds, see 1 Thess. 4:17.

5. Believers must go to heaven (John 14:2).

6. There is a marriage of the Church in Revelation 19:7 which comes before His visible return to fight and smite enemies.

7. There is a Christian judgment before Christ for our ministry actions (see 1 Cor. 3:13, compare to the parables of the pounds and talents).

8. There are two kinds of tribulation in the Bible: the persecution of believers (devilish) to which Jesus said, “These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.” (John 16:33). And the tribulation which is God’s wrath on unbelievers: “Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;” (Romans 2:9).

9. That since wrath is appointed onto the world, the means of escape of this is by translation, “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,” (1 Thess. 5:9). “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.” (1 Thess. 1:10).

10. That the objections against the “pretribulation rapture” derive from either going to the Greek and twisting Scripture (e.g. George Eldon Ladd) or else from a misunderstanding and wrong dividing of the Scripture, specifically this verse: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken” (Matthew 24:29).

a. there are multiple fulfilments of Bible prophecy;
b. the verse (Matt. 24:29) can apply to after the fall of Jerusalem, 70 AD, where Christians were on the Earth;
c. the same verse, when taken to mean the future, would mean after the general tribulation the Church has endured through time, not specifically meaning the future tribulation period (see point number 8 above);
d. the statement about the sun and moon and so forth can be figurative or symbolical, so that like in Isaiah 13:10, it is first talking about the Medes coming to take Babylon (see Isaiah 13:17), so in Matt. 24:29 it could mean the Roman Empire, and it could symbolically apply even in the end times before the translation of the saints;
e. besides a literal fulfilment in the Great Tribulation when it is unbelievers seeing it (in Matthew 24:30) before the literal second coming.

SHALL ALL MEN BE SAVED?

Jesus did die for all mankind, “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.” (1 John 2:2).

However there is a condition. “Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference” (Rom. 3:22).

Even though salvation is unto all, not all believe. It is only effective in those who receive it by believing.

We have so many verses speaking of people going to weeping, gnashing of teeth, torments and even being cast into the lake of fire that we cannot say that all men should be saved.

Hell is temporal. The earth passes away. Hell is put into the lake of fire. But that is eternal. Therefore, there is no restoration for sinners, and no ultimate reconciliation.

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” (Heb. 9:27, 28).

Accordingly, judgment is final, because Christ’s salvation (i.e. to be vindicated in that judgment) is only to those who look for Him, therefore, those in hell and eternal torment cannot be saved.

“And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.” (Luke 16:26).

The teaching that all men shall be saved is based on this argument (by John S. Fox in “Life, Death &amp; Resurrection”): “At the outset let is be clearly understood that by the ‘Word of God’ we mean the dictates of His Spirit given in the original Old and New Testament Scriptures ... we do not mean the unfortunate contradictions of translation presented to the world in some of our current Versions of so-called Scripture today.” He must include the Authorized Version in that, because he criticises its translation within a few pages of the same book, and quotes the Revised Version at the front, and recommends lexicons on the same page as the quote (page 5).

Notice that to deny enteral damnation one must also go against the KJB.

IS THE MILLENNIAL KINGDOM BEING ESTABLISHED NOW?

Some have had a doctrine (Whitby, J. Edwards and others) that Christians are involved in setting up the Millennial Kingdom on Earth that will bring all nations into a saved condition before the return of Christ. This, they think is the thousand years reign, or an indeterminate period of latter days glory of the saints. This doctrine is known as Post-millenialism.

In reality, there is to be a personal reign of Christ, however, for us in history, some element is true, that there should be great evangelism, we can tell from Scripture that this part is true, but in a Pre-millennial sense:

1. Christians have light and come into blessing (Isaiah 60),
2. That the times of restitution is not just the Millennium, but prior, because “times” is plural (Acts 3:21),
3. That the condition of the Church is prosperous at the return of Christ for it (James 5, Matthew 24),
4. That the Church has spiritually advanced (Eph. 4, Eph. 5:27),
5. The knowledge of the Gospel should be established worldwide with great effect (Hab. 2:14, Matthew 24:14, Romans 16:26),
6. That uncleanness and apostates have been spewed out (the Laodicean Church of Revelation 3),
7. And many other points.

However, this is tempered by the fact that in the same examples, 1. there are still people in darkness, 2. there are people who do not repent, 3. there are wicked rich and those who are left behind, 4. —, 5. —, 6. that there are those out of the body of Christ, 7. and many other points, such as the prophecies of false prophets, etc.

WHAT ABOUT AMILLENNIALISM?

Considering the condition of the Church, and its suffering in history, it cannot be said to have been in real state where Satan has been bound, despite the age of Constantine, despite the Reformation, despite the Puritan and Glorious Revolutions, despite the Evangelical Revival, and all the blessings in English-speaking nations.

The reign of Christ through believers taking up their spiritual authority to this point has languished severely, and the labours have not yet come to harvest (if one were looking with natural eyes).

COMMENTS ON PASSAGES: MATTHEW 19:27–30

This passage shows our current lives, where we forsake all worldliness and follow Christ.

Jesus points to the future, the regeneration, where He is personally ruling on Earth, this is not now, but the future. He needs to come back first to establish that rule.

Then, when Jesus speaks of this present time, saying that now in this time (see Mark 10:30) we should be able to walk in blessings. These blessings are not talking about the Millennium, even though they are Millennial blessings too, but are talking about Pre-millennial blessings, something which has as yet been hardly entered into, and which must before the return of Christ. And this is obvious when it is understood that “the last shall be first”, meaning, those before the return of Christ should walk in it.

The present-time manifold blessings being believed and realised and actually manifest are the Restitution, being the time when Christians are in blessing and in fruitful evangelism prior to the return of Christ. This means that it is possible to enter into the hundredfold today.

COMMENTS ON PASSAGES: DANIEL 7:9–14

The confusion on this passage arises by not understanding the multiple fulfilments of Bible prophecy. According to the Historicist view, the judgment (in Heaven) already occurred with the French Revolution (thrones cast down) and its actions against the Papacy (the horn). The dealing with the beast is progressive, and finalised in the Great Tribulation. In the Futurist view also, the other beasts still exist, as in Babylon/Iraq, Persia/Iran and Greece.

The reality that Christ receives a kingdom, and establishes His personal rule for a thousand years has not occurred as yet. Obviously that is put into practice with the second coming and Millennial reign.

COMMENTS ON PASSAGES: REVELATION 20:4–6

The thrones here are thrones of saints in the Millennial rule. Those beheaded for Jesus are those who died AFTER the translation of the saints, during the seven years tribulation, they are resurrected after Armageddon, where also a sheep and goat national judgment takes place.

This means that all believers are in their glorified bodies with Christ for 1000 years, and that at the same time, there are natural humans living on Earth.

THE WORD “ALL” IN 1 CORINTHIANS 15:22

The word “all” as referring to all being made alive means all believers, not all mankind. It means “ they that are Christ’s” (see verse 23).');
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Mt 20:2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
Mt 20:3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
Mt 20:4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
Mt 20:5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
Mt 20:6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
Mt 20:7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
Mt 20:8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
Mt 20:9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
Mt 20:10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
Mt 20:11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
Mt 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
Mt 20:13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
Mt 20:14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
Mt 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
Mt 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.');
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COME OUT

Smith Wigglesworth, the great Pentecostal pioneer, preached, “For many years the Lord has been moving me on and keeping me from spiritual stagnation. When I was in the Wesleyan Methodist Church I was sure I was saved and sure I was right. The Lord said to me, ‘Come out,’ and I came out. When I was with the people known as the Brethren I was sure I was right now. But the Lord said, ‘Come out.’ Then I went into the Salvation Army. At that time it was full of life and there were revivals everywhere. But the Salvation Army went into natural things and the great revivals that they had in those early days ceased. The Lord said to me, ‘Come out,’ and I came out. I have had to come out three times since. I believe that this Pentecostal revival that we are now in is the best thing that the Lord has on the earth today, and yet I believe that God has something out of this that is going to be still better. God has no use for any man who is not hungering and thirsting for yet more of Himself and His righteousness.”

“Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you” (2 Cor. 6:17). Much of Pentecostalism today, with its professional entertainment, is a spiritual shadow of its former self. Many of the Pentecostal institutions today are joined up with Rome. The Lord’s promise is that He would have something better beyond Pentecostalism.

By observing the last hundred years of Pentecostal history, it is possible to trace that the highest advancement of spiritual truth has been through the Word of Faith teachers, the much maligned Hagins and Copelands. And yet there is a higher, better level to attain.

As the truth of the faith message is joined with the truth of the scriptural perfection, that is, as the Holy Ghost and Word movements are entwined, there we are at the highest levels of revelation yet to be seen: “But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” (Daniel 12:4). Hilton Sutton (a respected prophecy teacher) said one year ago, “The seal that was placed on the Book of Daniel has been lifted.” We are in a position now into enter into the understanding of the next level. By faith we enter in and attain.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2436', 'd22581e16a', 'The threat of Islam', 'Even the secular world can foresee World War 3.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/complain_now_before_they_shut_you_up/

The video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=E1uICHKQF50

Remember that the chief backer of the enemy, and therefore the chief enemy, is Russia.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2437', '1ca6c9a761', 'The Protector, 27 January 2013', '[img:1ca6c9a761]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:1ca6c9a761]

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[size=18:1ca6c9a761][color=darkblue:1ca6c9a761]EDITORIAL[/color:1ca6c9a761][/size:1ca6c9a761]

THE TEXTUS RECEPTUS AND THE PERFECT ENGLISH BIBLE

There’s an Australian man named N—— S—— who runs a website about the Textus Receptus. Unlike anyone I have ever heard, N. S. claims that the KJB translators exclusively followed Beza’s 1598 Greek Textus Receptus, and he equates this with perfection.

If the KJB is perfect, he claims, then it is only because it matches this Greek volume.

Now, of course, Beza’s Greek from 1598 is not perfect, and the KJB does differ to it in a few small ways. After all, Beza’s Greek contains a few printing mistakes. Surely, it cannot be “perfect”.

Here is what the KJB translators themselves said, “Neither did we think much to consult the translators or commentators, Chaldee, Hebrew, Syrian, Greek, or Latin; no, nor the Spanish, French, Italian, or Dutch; neither did we disdain to revise that which we had done, and to bring back to the anvil that which we had hammered: but having and using as great helps as were needful, and fearing no reproach for slowness, nor coveting praise for expedition, we have at the length, through the good hand of the Lord upon us, brought the work to that pass that you see.”

As you should be able to tell, they looked at a variety of sources, and chose correctly what they put in the KJB.

“He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.” (Deuteronomy 32:4).

God is able to get His word right, even in time, and even in English. We don’t have to manufacture a story about some Greek copy from 1598 being perfect (which no one really believes anyway), when it is evident that many people speak English, and the KJB has advanced, and that it is set with a high mandate to reach nations, kindreds and kings.

“For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.” (Zephaniah 3:9).

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[size=18:dfd4bbbb74][color=darkblue:dfd4bbbb74]EDITORIAL[/color:dfd4bbbb74][/size:dfd4bbbb74]

A LITTLE CHANGE IS A BIG THING

What is wrong with changing the King James Bible?

A certain man said that there are some words in the King James Bible which he doesn’t know what they mean.

So, he is making a new translation, changing the King James Bible.

The problem is that he is changing all kinds of words.

He claims that it is permissible to change “shew” into “show”. He then claims it is permissible to change “hath” into has. But by the time he is finished, Genesis 1:2, instead of saying “And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters”, he has “And the Spirit of God was hovering upon the face of the waters.”

In other words, by changing a little, they change a lot, “A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.” (Galatians 5:9).

Consider this verse, “I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.” (Isaiah 14:23).

They say that the word “besom” should be changed to “broom”. The real issue is that the word “besom” is not synonymous with “broom”. There is a slight meaning difference.

By keeping the KJB, we are keeping exact meanings, whereas those who make changes potentially and often introduce error.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2439', 'be1782caa2', 'Holman KJV Study Bible', 'The Holman KJV Study Bible printed in the United States meets the checklist on this website as being PCE.  I am unsure if there are any other variances to look at in this Bible.  If anyone knows of any variances, please post a response.  However, I just thought I would pass that information along.  I am posting a link to the Bible below.

http://www.christianbook.com/kjv-study-bible-hardcover/9781433600340/pd/600341?item_code=WW&amp;netp_id=990323&amp;event=ESRCQ&amp;view=details');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2440', '21710a024e', 'KJV Study Bible', 'It may match the PCE but it contains notes that try to destroy ones confidence in the PCE
The PCE should really only contain the PCE text that Matthew Vershuur made a copy of 
It should also contain the KJB margins as published by Cambridge and Oxford
Pastor Matthew Vershuur start the presses on the PCE KJB!!!
Bring the PCE KJB PDF to a Bible printer and they will print it
As for &quot;study bibles&quot; these really need to be used with caution otherwise you will get sucked up into the annotators theology and biases
He may &quot;suggest&quot; that the KJB may not have translated as well as they should
They may even play the Hebrew Chaldee and Greek game
Remember when you are dealing with a lexicon it is the author\'s educated guess what a word means
There are hundreds thousands and millions of lexicons when compared make for some interesting study
They disagree with other lexiconagraphers and even with themselves

This is the question:
Do we believe the Bible or are we playing games?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2441', '885e9decf1', '', 'I haven\'t seen perfect study notes yet, but I sure have seen the perfect Scripture.

I can ignore notes when I read the Bible if need be.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2442', 'f366c7e2f1', 'The Protector, 10 February 2013', '[img:f366c7e2f1]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:f366c7e2f1]

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[size=18:f366c7e2f1][color=darkblue:f366c7e2f1]EDITORIAL[/color:f366c7e2f1][/size:f366c7e2f1]

INDITEMENT ON SO-CALLED “CONTEMPORARY” WORSHIP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RJBd8zE48A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhYuA0Cz8ls

A doctrine developed in Pentecostalism that said that if you don’t “feel” something, then nothing is happening, but if you do “feel” something, that’s God.

This evil doctrine was applied to the music ministry.

In those days, when people were first using overhead projectors and microphones, it was treated with a special class of “anointing” if the music could be amplified, so that loud praise and emotional worship could replace the old simple homely truths of Pentecostal faith-filled songs.

When I heard David Ingles sing in 1996, someone in the audience derisively commented that they had wheeled out Elvis. Because, by that stage, music had trumped substance.

“What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.” (1 Cor. 14:15).

Apparently, singing with the understanding had gone out with Elvis.

But worse in the 1980s a doctrine was commonly espoused that said that the musicians were basically the elite Christians in the Church (never mind the deacons and the elders). They justified this on the basis of Joshua 6:9, “And the armed men went before the priests that blew with the trumpets, and the rereward came after the ark, the priests going on, and blowing with the trumpets.”

The only problem is that while music is wonderful, there is no rank nor office given in the New Testament that says that a musician is an elite Christian.

So the idea that the musicians’ prayer group, and so forth should be the “inner cadre” of a Pentecostal assembly is lopsided at best.

But the evidence or fruit of all this is that the content of so many worship songs has gone from bad to worse. Some, sadly, are pretty New Age.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2443', 'fe46a21c68', 'The threat of Islam', 'I find it interesting that what is happening in Australia is what is happening in the USA.  
   I find it odd though that Australians are talking about defending their freedoms when they didn\'t even stand up to their government when they issued draconian gun confiscation laws. How will you defend your freedom let alone your own home??
  The time to say no was then and of course the time to say no is now.
 The Eureka stockade was about government overstepping it\'s bounds and engaging in tyranny. Those miners had the guts to stand up and pay the price. 
 I would hope every freedom loving person would have the guts to stand and pay the price if necessary. If a law is contrary to fundamental freedom do you obey that law? If a law is passed that violates your constitution doesn\'t it then become unlawful? In the military an unlawful order is not to be obeyed. Would that not apply in civil matters as well.
 Something to think about. As Cromwell said &quot;Put your trust in God, but keep your powder dry.&quot;');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2444', 'b6bdb93cee', '', 'There are so many provisos in the rules, that the rules cannot be applied with any authority.

Often, it is said that there is a &quot;Granville Sharp Rule&quot;, as if it is single and binding, when in reality, there are a set of rules, each giving so many provisos that the system of thinking must be wishful rather than actual.

Yet, there was barely any effective resistance in 1798 to GS. The consequence of his work was the RV of 1881. Thankfully, in 1882, the spirit to change the KJB was fully exposed, and so the seeds which GS introduced in 1798 never will cause the Authorized Version to be actually altered or lost.

Ironically, too, in the very period of the KJB\'s laying dead for 84 years, it went further abroad to many nations. This seems to be the fulfilment of the Historicist view of Revelation 11, where the recently discovered principle of using one hour to equal one year is apt, as it is in other prophetic passages.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2445', '1b525edd64', 'Australia', 'What\'s happening in Australia is a spiritual matter (like the USA). So-called liberty without God is worthless. Disobedience to God, even within the churches, has brought about the curse.

&quot;Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.&quot; (Daniel 9:11).

Here is the appropriate instruction for Christians: &quot;Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.&quot; (Galatians 5:1).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2446', '4149ed24a4', '', 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=gzl6cl_P4eg');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2447', '2b6bfe6569', 'Proof  positive Zondervan sells Catholic &quot;bibles&quot;', 'http://zondervan.com/products?search_text=NAB');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2448', '59feea8540', '', 'You can get KJBs that are normal KJBs, but have this coloured sheet in a plastic pocket around the outside that says something like &quot;Confirmation&quot; or something. They are Anglican Bibles.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2449', '49e61db381', 'Bible English (rules of)', 'Someone asked about a definitive set of rules to do with -eth words being used in the KJB.

This was my answer:

No such distinct area of information exists, other than consulting in a general sense old grammar books and the like, e.g. Johnson\'s Dictionary.

The &quot;exact&quot; rules are difficult because it is a large and complex area. Basically, the interaction is between these elements: the subject, the verb and the object.

There are three questions: How many subjects, when did the action take place, and how many objects.

The subject and/or object are often given as pronouns, so these need to be rendered according to the first, second and third person rule.

SUBJECT

singular
I (1st person)
Thou (2nd)
He (3rd)

plural
We (1st)
Ye (2nd)
They (3rd)

OBJECT

singular
Me (1st)
Thee (2nd)
Him (3rd)

plural
Us (1st)
You (2nd)
Them (3rd)

This is besides the ownerships, as in, my, thy, his; our, your, their; mine, thine, his; ours, yours, theirs.

And then the sub-rule which changes my to mine and thy to thine in front of words beginning with a vowel, and only sometimes words with the letter &quot;h&quot;, which also applies to the use of &quot;a&quot; and &quot;an&quot;. This even can occur with the same word, a house, an house, etc.

The grammatical form for the verb depends on the above pronouns in relation to time.

-est
-st
-ed
-edest
-edst
-eth
-th

Take, for example, the verb &quot;do&quot;, you have:

do, doeth, doth, does, did, doest, dost, didst.

These are dependant on time (when the action took place) and on pronoun.

Consider these examples:

thou (subject) heardest (past) them

ye (subject) heard (past) the voice

thou (subject) hearest (present) me

God (subject) heareth (present) us

There are different kinds of past tense, which fall into two basic forms: perfect (complete) or progressive. There are many examples, and this is evident in words like rang/rung etc.

Some words in some forms will change spellings, so you have break, brake, breaketh, breakest and broken so there is no -ed form in this verb, whereas, taking obey, you have, obeyed, obeyeth, obeyedst.

It is a massive area that requires much more information, but basically, you connect the pronoun form with the time when the action takes place.');
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THE ADVANCE OF THE GOSPEL

One of the most astounding verses in the Bible is the prophecy of Paul in Acts 28:28, “Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.”

The prophecy contains two promises, first, that the Gospel is sent to the Gentiles, and second, that the Gentiles will receive it.

This is why he could write, “But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith” (Romans 16:26).

The Scriptures would go forth to the nations, and that not only would it reach the nations, but the response among them would be obedience. Obedience is not rejection of the Gospel.

There was therefore nothing random about the Great Commission, which still applies today. Jesus said that there was power behind it, “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them ...” (Matthew 28:19a). He was not just telling them to go, try — he was confidently asserting that nations would be taught.

“Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matthew 28:20).

In this, Jesus meant that His words would reach the nations. This means that in English, we should have his exact words. The most important inference from that is that nations should therefore be conforming to His commandments.

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Some youtube videos in the article.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2458', '21777f9c78', 'The threat of Islam', 'Hi KJBman,
 I understand that the Christians warfare is not carnal and that the Church and the world have brought about these circumstances.
  So we have a spiritual duty to pray and fast and a secular duty to vote and let our voice be heard in the public square. The Church must stand for truth and righteousness in every aspect of life.
 We cannot relegate ourselves to just one corner and watch everything plunge into the abyss without bearing the guilt of passivity and indifference. Our countries are not Monarchies they are Republics and as such WE are the Government. If we allow without protest the destruction of our culture and heritage then we are as guilty as the traitors who are actively seeking to enslave us to their will and destroy our way of life.
  The threat is from without in the form of Islam and from within by socialists and leftists of every stripe. So we must stand to the colors and stand our ground on all fronts and be alert and vigilant. 
 The Church is asleep with an enemy that is not asleep but wide awake and dedicated to their destruction in every aspect. 
 Wake up Church! Rouse Yourself! Throw off your slumber! The Enemy is not just at the gates he\'s well within. Wake up![color=orange:21777f9c78][/color:21777f9c78]');
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Not the Church itself but those used of the enemy, such as carnal brethren, wolves and false prophets who have all contributed. This is why there must be a washing: &quot;That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word&quot; (Ephesians 5:26).

It is impossible to &quot;clean up&quot; a nation without there first be cleansing in the Church.');
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For those who do not know, James Price is the chief editor and translator of the NEW King James Bible and he has also written a book which is highly critical of the King James Bible. It is called &quot;King James Onlyism: A New Sect&quot;. I have read it and have also written a refutation of this Bible agnostics views of the King James Bible.  The man simply has NO complete and infallible Bible to give you nor to believe in himself, but he is sure the King James Bible is wrong in many passages.  If you wish to see my article about this man\'s book, you can see it here -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/priceskjonlyismsect.htm 

Isaiah 13:15- “Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one THAT IS JOINED UNTO THEM shall fall by the sword.”

One blusterous Bible corrector asserts: 

www.dbts.edu/journals/1999/Combs.pdf 
Errors in the King James Version? 
by William W. Combs - Detroit Baptist Seminary Journal 

&quot;The following example was supplied to me by Dr. James D. Price, who is currently producing a manuscript on this subject.&quot;

&quot;In the OT it is universally agreed, even by KJV-only advocates, that the KJV was based on the Second Bomberg Edition of 1525 edited by Jacob ben Chayyim. However, on occasion the translators did not follow the Hebrew/Aramaic text before them. For instance, in Isaiah 13:15 the KJV reads “joined” (“every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword”). There is no support for this reading in any Hebrew manuscript, text, ancient version, or rabbinic tradition. Instead, the correct reading is “captured” (“anyone who is captured will fall by the sword,” NASB). Possibly, the KJV translators misread one Hebrew letter for another, mistaking the word såpåh , “capture,” for såpaÿ , “join.” Whatever the case, the reading of the KJV is not the reading of the autographs and is thus an indisputable error.&quot; (End of criticism)

My Response: 

The Modern Vatican versions that side with Mr. Price’s translation of “captured” are the ASV, RSV, ESV, NKJV, NASB, NIV, Holman Standard, and of course, the more modern Catholic versions like the St. Joseph New American Bible 1970 and the New Jerusalem bible 1985.

Mr. Prices information on page 288 of his book ‘King James Onlyism: A New Sect’ appears to be totally false, as we shall soon see.  Mr. Price writes - Isaiah 13:15 - The MT, supported by the LXX, Vulgate, and Targum reads “captured”, whereas the KJV reads “joined”.  The translators misread one Hebrew letter for another, mistaking the Hebrew word nispeh for the word nispach found in 14:1, meaning ‘join’ or ‘cleave to’.”

First of all, Mr. Price is completely wrong about the alleged LXX reading “captured” and not “joined” as the King James Bible (and many others, as we shall soon see) has it.

I have a copy of the LXX right here on my desk. It is \'The Septuagint Version with Apocrypha Greek and English, published by Zondervan, 4th printing 1977. There are several different versions of this thing, but the one I have clearly says: &quot;And they that ARE GATHERED TOGETHER shall fall by the sword.&quot;  The Greek is &#959;&#7989;&#964;&#953;&#957;&#949;&#962; &#963;&#965;&#957;&#951;&#947;&#956;&#941;&#957;&#959;&#953; &#949;&#7984;&#963;&#943;&#957; &#956;&#945;&#967;&#945;&#943;&#961;&#8115; &#960;&#949;&#963;&#959;&#8166;&#957;&#964;&#945;&#953; - oitines suneegmenoi eisi. 

The verb used here is a common one; it is the periphrastic perfect, passive participle of sunago, which  means &quot;to gather, to assemble together, to come together, to assemble.&quot;  It is used numerous times in the N.T. in such places as &quot;they were assembled together&quot; (Acts 4:31), &quot;he should gather together in one the children of God&quot; (John 11:52) and &quot;Come and gather yourselves together&quot; (Rev. 19:17).  The word has NOTHING to do with &quot;capture&quot;.  The good doktor Price is flat out wrong.

According to Wigram’s Hebrew and Chaldee Concordance 1980, on page 881 he lists the Isaiah 13:15 reference to the Hebrew word # 5595 sahphah, meaning “to add, to augment, to put, or joined”.  There is a very similar word under the same number (5595) and pronounced the same way which also means “to destroy, consume or to perish”.

Strong’s concordance lists the word found in Isaiah 13:15 as # 5595 and lists a variety of meanings for this single Hebrew word including: “to scrape together, to accumulate or increase, perish, add, augment, consume, destroy, heap, join, perish and put.”

Even if we were to take this Hebrew word as the NASB concordance lists it under #5595 we see that the NASB has also translated it as “to add” twice and “to heap” once.  Deut.32:23 “I will HEAP mischiefs upon them”; Numbers 32:14 “to ADD still more to the burning”, and Isaiah 30:1 “in order to ADD sin to sin.”

It seems only logical that if a group of people are “added” to another group, then they are “joined unto them”, right?

Lamsa’s translation of the Syriac Peshitta  reads differently than them all with: “Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one THAT ESCAPES shall fall by the sword.”  This certainly does not help out the Bible agnostics claim that the word should be translated as “captive”.

The LXX copy I have (Brenton\'s translation of the Septuagint) agrees with the King James Bible saying: “they that ARE GATHERED TOGETHER shall fall by the sword.” - &#959;&#7989;&#964;&#953;&#957;&#949;&#962; &#963;&#965;&#957;&#951;&#947;&#956;&#941;&#957;&#959;&#953; &#949;&#7984;&#963;&#943;&#957; &#956;&#945;&#967;&#945;&#943;&#961;&#8115; &#960;&#949;&#963;&#959;&#8166;&#957;&#964;&#945;&#953; (kai hoitines sunegmenoi eisi pesountai makaira)

The Spanish Sagradas Escrituras of 1569 - “y cualquiera que a ellos SE JUNTARE, caerá a espada.” = “And whoever is joined to them, will fall by the sword.”

The Spanish Cipriano de Valera 1865, and the Reina Valera 1909 also agrees with the King James reading: “y cualquiera que a ellos SE JUNTARE, caerá a cuchillo.”

The Italian Diodati of 1649 agrees with the KJB reading - “Chiunque sarà trovato sarà trafitto, e chiunque si SARA AGGUIUNTO con loro caderà per la spada.” = “and anyone will have joined with they fall by the sword.”

The Portuguese Almeida Bible of 1681 and A Biblia Sagrada em Portugués also agree with the KJB reading - &quot;Todo o que for achado será transpassado; e todo O QUE SE UNIR A ELE cairá à espada.&quot; = &quot;whoever unites himself with them will fall by the sword.&quot;

The French Martin Bible 1744 also reads like the KJB saying: “et quiconque s\'y sera joint, tombera par l\'épée.” = will be joined

The Modern Greek Bible agrees totally with the King James reading - &quot;&#954;&#945;&#953; &#960;&#945;&#957;&#964;&#949;&#962; &#959;&#953; &#963;&#965;&#957;&#951;&#952;&#961;&#959;&#953;&#963;&#956;&#949;&#957;&#959;&#953; &#952;&#949;&#955;&#959;&#965;&#963;&#953; &#960;&#949;&#963;&#949;&#953; &#948;&#953;&#945; &#956;&#945;&#967;&#945;&#953;&#961;&#945;&#962;.&quot; = &quot;And all THOSE GATHERED TOGETHER will fall by the sword.&quot;

Martin Luther’s German translation of 1545 also agrees with the King James reading.  Brother Herb Evans affirms: “Equally interesting is Martin Luther making the same “mistake” in his German Bible before the KJB translators did, he says &quot;Welcher dabei ist&quot;? (to unite by means of a joint or to become united or connected by or as of by a joint)”

The 2009 Romanian Fidela Bible also reads &quot;each one THAT IS JOINED will fall by the sword&quot; - &quot;si fiecare ce li se alatura va cadea prin sabie.&quot;

Darby’s translation agrees in sense with the King James Bible - “All that are found shall be thrust through; and every one THAT IS IN LEAGUE WITH THEM shall fall by the sword.”

Young’s ‘literal’ likewise is similar to the KJB:  - “Every one who is found is thrust through, And every one WHO IS ADDED falleth by sword.”

The Geneva Bible  of 1587 also agrees with the KJB - “Euery one that is founde, shall be striken through: and WHOSOEVER JOINETH HIMSELF, shall fall by the sworde.”

The Bishops’ Bible of 1568 is similar in meaning - “Whoso is founde shalbe shot thorowe: and WHOSO TAKETH THEIR PART, shalbe destroyed with the sworde.”

Coverdale’s 1535 translation reads: “Who so is founde alone, shalbe shot thorow: And WHO SO GATHER TOGETHER, shalbe destroyed wt the swerde.”

The Great Bible 1540 - “And who so gather together, shal be destroyed with the swerde.”

Matthew’s Bible (John Rogers) of 1549 - “And whoso gather together, shalbe destroied with the swerd.”

Also agreeing with the reading found in the King James Bible - “And every one that is joined to them shall fall by the sword.” are Webster’s translation of 1833,  the Lesser Bible 1853, the Calvin Bible 1855, the Complete Apostles Bible - &quot;and they that are gathered together shall fall by the sword.&quot;, the KJV 21st Century Version 1994, the Third Millenium Bible 1998, the Holy Scriptures Jubilee Bible of 2000, the Urim-Thummim Version of 2001, the Heritage Bible of 2003 - “Everyone who is found shall be stabbed, and everyone joined to them shall fall by the sword.” 

The Douay-Rheims of 1610 reads much like the KJB with - “Every one that shall be found, shall be slain: and every one that shall come to their aid, shall fall by the sword.”  However the newer Catholic bible versions are like the NKJV, NIV, NASB, ESV (Because they are produced by the joint UBS Catholic/Evangelical Combine). The New Jerusalem reads: “All those who are found will be stabbed, all THOSE CAPTURED will fall by the sword.”  So to the NKJV, NIV, NASB, Holman, RSV and ESV. - “Everyone who is found will be thrust through, And everyone WHO IS CAPTURED will fall by the sword. “ NKJV 

The 2012 Knox Bible is different that both the KJB and versions like the NKJV, NIV, ESV in that it reads: &quot;and THOSE WHO ARE ENCOUNTERED IN THE OPEN FIELD will fall at the sword’s point.&quot;

Wycliffe’s 1395 reads: “Ech man that is foundun, schal be slayn; and ECH MAN THAT COMETH ABOVE schal falle doun bi swerd.”  This seems to be in line with the Vulgate which reads: “omnis qui inventus fuerit occidetur et omnis qui SUPERVENERIT cadet in gladio.”

John Gill comments on the passage, saying: “ and everyone that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword; or &quot;added&quot; unto them; any of other nations that joined them as auxiliaries, see (Revelation 18:4) or &quot;that is gathered&quot;; so the Septuagint, &quot;they that are gathered&quot;; that are gathered together in a body to resist the enemy, and defend themselves. Some render the word, &quot;every one that is consumed&quot;, with age; neither old nor young, as follows, should be spared. The Targum is, “everyone that enters into the fortified cities,\'\'flees there for safety and protection.”

Matthew Henry comments: “every one that is joined to them shall fall by the sword; those of other nations that come in to their assistance shall be cut off with them. It is dangerous being in bad company, and helping those whom God is about to destroy.”

John Calvin also translated the passage as it appears in our King James Bible and he comments: “And every one that is joined to them shall fall by the sword. Some translators render this clause differently from what I have done; because the Hebrew verb (saphah) signifies to destroy or consume, they read it, Whosoever shall be destroyed, and explain it as relating to the old men, who were already worn out with age, and could not otherwise live longer; as if he had said, “Not even the men of advanced age, who are sinking into the grave, shall be spared, even though they are half-dead, and appear to be already giving up the ghost.” But because that is a feeble interpretation, and the verb (saphah) signifies likewise to add, I rather agree with others, who think that it denotes companies of soldiers, as in taking a city the soldiers are collected together in the form of a wedge, to ward off the attacks of the enemy. But it will perhaps be thought better to understand by it the confederates or allies who were JOINED to Babylon, and might be said to be united in the same body, in order to show more fully the shocking nature of this calamity.”

Albert Barnes (1854) also comments on this verse in his Notes: Critical, Explanatory, and Practical on the Book of the Prophet Isaiah

“Every one that is joined unto them - Their allies and friends. There shall be a vast, indiscriminate slaughter of all that are found in the city, and of those that attempt to flee from it. Lowth renders this, \' And all that are collected in a body;\' BUT THE TRUE SENSE IS GIVEN IN OUR TRANSLATION. The Chaldee renders it, \' And every one who enters into fortified cities shall be slain with the sword.\' “

Here is the Albert Lowth translation.

http://books.google.com/books?id=p_IoAAAAYAAJ&amp;pg=PA81
Isaiah 13:15  “Every one, that is overtaken, shall be thrust through : And all that are collected in a body shall fall by the sword.”

The recent 2001 Judaic Press Tanach gives a different interpretation to the passage -  ”Everyone who is found shall be stabbed, and ANYONE WHO TAKES REFUGE shall fall by the sword.”

http://books.google.com/books?id=H68aja_bBzMC&amp;pg=PA278
Commentary on Isaiah - Joseph Addison Alexander (1846)

V. 15. “The flight of the strangers from Babylon is not without reason, for every one found (there) shall be stabbed (or thrust through), and every one joined (or joining himself to the Babylonians) shall fall by the sword. All interpreters agree that a general massacre is here described, although they differ as to the precise sense and connexion of the clauses.... Junius explains the verse to mean that not only the robust but the decrepit ... should be slain, and the same interpretation is mentioned by Kimchi. Hitzig takes the sense to be that every one, even he who joins himself (i.e. goes over to the enemy), shall perish; they will give no quarter. others suppose an antithesis, though not a climax. Gesenius in the earlier editions of his lexicon explains the verse as meaning that he who is found in the street, and he who withdraws himself into the house, shall perish alike. Lowth makes the antithesis between one found alone and one joined with others.”

In any event, what we learn from this single example is that men like James Price have no inerrant Bible in any language to give to anyone.  Instead they foolishly and ignorantly set up their own minds and peculiar understanding as their final authority, in spite of the fact that many other godly men throughout history who were just as qualified, if not more so than Mr. Price,  disagree with him and side with the King James Bible reading. 

By the way, if you see or contact Mr. James Price, ask him to SHOW you a copy of the complete, inspired and infallible Bible he PROFESSES to believe in. He will never do it. Why? Because he, like his buddy James White, really HAS no infallible Bible to believe in at all. Go ahead; ask him and see.');
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Modern versionism cannot answer the Koran. The modern versionist does not think that the Bible is 100% perfect today.

The only doctrine which can withstand the Koran is King James Bible only.');
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MODERN VERSIONISM CANNOT DEFEAT THE KORAN

Modern versionism is a modern, sceptical, unbelieving humanistic philosophy that says:

1. There is no final form of the Bible.
2. We have the Bible about 98% accurate at best.
3. The truth is scattered in the original languages.
4. There is no perfect English translation.

The Muslim asserts:
1. There is one Koran.
2. The Koran is 100% accurate.
3. The Koran is perfect in Arabic.
But,
4. There is no perfect English translation.

Muslims believe the Koran to be the book of divine guidance and direction for mankind and consider the text in its original Arabic to be the literal word of Allah revealed to Mohammad as Allah’s final revelation to humanity.

The Muslim can point to modern Bible scholarship and highlight all the uncertainties and textual variations in modern versions. The only real weapon that the modern versionists use is that they attempt to argue that the Bible is true (despite these problems), and that the Koran itself suffers from the same kinds of issues (e.g. textual corruption, internal contradictions, etc.) that modern versions are said to.

The modern versionist cannot defeat the Koran, because modern versions make themselves doctrinally inferior to the Koran. The Koran 17:88 shows to effect that if mankind and the jinn should gather together to produce the like of this Koran, they could not produce the like thereof, though they were helpers one of another.

But what saith the Scripture? “That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?” (Proverbs 22:21).

The solution is a King James Bible Only doctrine:

1. The KJB is the final form of the Bible.
2. We have the Bible 100% accurately.
3. The truth is gathered today.
4. There is one perfect English translation.

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 Infiltration of the Church is so widespread and at higher levels than I ever imagined.
I have a new appreciation for the whole Wheat and Tares scenario and why God waits. The best enemy agents look, sound and even smell like the most conservative, bible believing Saints that ever lived. 
That is why discernment is absolutely necessary and being grounded in the Word of God is essential not just a casual reading program. Being filled with and empowered by the Holy Spirit is essential too. Without this we are indeed helpless.
 The Church has been lulled to sleep by the Siren song of compromise, and easy believism (sp?). 
 That is why I know we should always examine every wind of doctrine and accept nothing until it has been proved and the fruit born out. So many are led astray because they do not Judge their experience by the Word of God. If an experience contradicts the Word of God or is questionable in any way then by all means throw out the experience. 
 The general attitude today is that experience outweighs doctrine and if it is &quot;supernatural&quot; then it must be of God. 
 Ignorance of God\'s word is no excuse for error because acting in ignorance is still sin.
  I pray for a revival, another Great Awakening to shake the Church and the world. The Western Church is almost dead, but there is always a remnant, coals that can burst into flame when the breath of God blows upon them.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2464', '87318c1f06', 'Holman KJV Study Bible', 'I also was surprised to find the use of the PCE text for the Holman KJV Study Bible.  I have a copy and the text matches 100% of the PCE references found on the &quot;editions&quot; webpage.  I did find 3 verses with a typo where the word intreated is used instead of the correct entreated.  The verses are: Gen.12:16, Exod. 5:22 and Deut. 26:6.   I contacted the B &amp; H Publishing group regarding these verses and also suggested a minor change for Psalm 149.6, where the word &quot;two-edged&quot; has a hyphen.  The three other appearances of the same word correctly omit the hyphen (as twoedged).   I did receive a timely response from B &amp; H indicating that my email was forwarded to the editors responsible for making corrections.  I also commended them for using the PCE type text.  Bottom line, although the text is a little small (probably 9 pt.) for my 65 year old eyes, the printing and quality of the pages is excellent. I also like the center column references and they even included the Epistle Dedication and the Translators to the Readers.  I agree with Matthew Verschuur\'s comment - you can always ignore the commentary notes.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2465', 'a9831ae5ae', '', 'That\'s interesting indeed.');
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2467', '843cb2adfa', '', 'This is the video by itself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgpa76F2flk');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2468', '9bab51540c', 'KJB Only and Church Unity', 'The question may be posed:

[b:9bab51540c]Who let pro-sodomites make a perversion of the King James Bible?[/b:9bab51540c]

The following link shows this perversion, which seeks to alter the King James Bible ([b:9bab51540c]note [/b:9bab51540c]: I do not agree with everything on this webpage but the table given is useful): http://creation.com/wicked-bible

It was not the King James Bible only people who opened the door to this type of travesty but the modern versionists who have persisted in rebelling against the very words of God in Revelation 22:18,19 &quot;For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.&quot;');
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REJECTING UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS AGAINST THE KJB

This week, someone at one of the King James Bible discussion groups claimed that they no longer used the King James Bible only, not because of what the Scripture says, but because of these arguments:

— the truth is being denied by King James Onlyists is that the 1611 is not the same as 1769, because 136 words changed and different, and that about 15 alterations were made by Richard Bancroft before it was even printed —

These accusations are foolish and wrong. “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15).

And now the answer:

1. The KJB is the same text and translation in 1769 as 1611.

2. The differences (see my website) are all a. typographical errors, b. spelling and grammar standardisation and c. editorial regularisation and things like polishing use of italics.

3. The so-called 136 words different (D. A. Waite\'s old &quot;research&quot;) still shows, in the 136 examples, that the differences are merely as listed above in #2 and therefore in line with #1.

4. The so-called 15 alterations by Bancroft are hearsay, and even if true, have no bearing on anything, as Bancroft was part of the last stage of work on the KJB. It is not known what Bancroft did change, but again, those who say he put in words like &quot;bishoprick&quot; etc. are just guessing.

5. The above points are in no way &quot;evidence&quot; to convince any honest Bible believer that the KJB should be abandoned.

“In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” (2 Corinthians 13:1).

Will Kinney wrote, “Those that say Bancroft put in the word bishoprick are not only guessing but they are flat our wrong! ... To see more about the words bishop and bishoprick you can see the fuller article here — http://brandplucked.webs.com/thechurchandbishops.htm ”.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2470', '3de1620fee', 'Keeping Easter', 'English is now a dominant language.

The Scripture has been translated into English.

We have a perfect Bible in English, the King James Bible.

One of the main attacks by those against the King James Bible is their attack on the word “Easter”.

Let us therefore go to the Scripture.

Ac 12:1 ¶ Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church. 
Ac 12:2 And he killed James the brother of John with the sword. 
Ac 12:3 And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) 
Ac 12:4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

In the Bible, the word “Easter” describes the period of time after the passover, where the Jews ate unleavened bread for a week.

The Bible book of Acts takes place after the time of Christ. Those early Christians knew that Jesus died on the day of preparation, and that he rose again within the days of unleavened bread. 

We have an Easter holiday, which runs from a Friday to the following Monday or Tuesday.

Christians remember the death and resurrection of Christ, which we call Easter, focusing on the Sunday, which we call “Easter”, and the entire long weekend associated, which we also enjoy as a holiday.

The New Testament was not written for the Jews as such, but for Christians, and so the celebration of the resurrection of Christ, which we call Easter. Today, we celebrate Easter, with the added inclusion of such ideas as eating chocolate eggs and hot cross buns. To the Christian and to the secular person, these things are not considered pagan. However, the reason for Easter to the Christian is to celebrate Christ, the reason for Easter in the secular world is to have a holiday and eat food.

According to the Scripture, Herod was not a Christian, so he would not observe the Christian Easter. Herod was attempting to appease the Jews. He therefore would wish not to act during the days of unleavened bread, which are called by the Christian writer “Easter”. But Herod himself could conceivably have preferred his own observation of the ancient pagan festival held at that time.

It is known that local pagan festivals were held in the Roman Empire, and obviously pagans held a spring festival. The goddess of springtime etc. was called in Babylon “Ishtar”, but in Canaan, “Ashtaroth”, and the Greeks, “Astarte”.

The Germanic people called the goddess and the festival eoster, or easter, and that name was taken by Christians for the Christian festival. Even though Roman Catholics did absorb pagan culture, it is a fact that Christianity does not have the same associations or practices as what those words formerly had. There are plenty of examples of this, for example, halig, or holy, meant before that it was concerted to the Anglo-Saxon gods; and ghast meant spirit; so Holy Ghost would not be pagan, though in aforetime those words were used by the heathen with heathenish meanings; again, the word God, which comes from Gotanaz, that is, Woden or Odin, does not mean that we are calling on the Germanic ancestor god from Asgard, but on the true God of the Bible. In like manner, the sunu or son of God would mean Jesus, not one of the gods of the Anglo-Saxon pantheon. This means that Easter is an entirely Christian word with a Christian meaning, despite its former usage, and it means that the Bible is perfectly in order to use the word “Easter” in Acts.

The problem then arises with the Textus Receptus onlyist position as championed by Australian Nick Sayers, who points to the fact that some, including Presbyterians and various cults, reject Easter because there was a pre-Christian pagan festival by that name. Instead of pointing out that Protestantism has full ownership of words, he tries his utmost to argue that Easter was entirely Christian only. The problem is that he is deliberately ignoring where the word “Easter” came from prior to its Christian meaning and use.

Nick Sayers also goes to the Hebrew which confuses the very simple meaning of pass-over, claiming instead that it means to “skip over or to limp”, which is most bizarre.

What is even more strange is that Nick Sayers seems to deny the creationist view of languages, which is obvious in his attack on Alexander Hislop and in his misunderstanding of the origins of German. If we start from the tower of Babel we have a common world culture and then the scattering of languages. We find that there are similarities in some languages which indicates common origins from Japheth\'s sons, and then, among the Proto-Germanic people, the family of Ashkenaz. Thus, Easter in English would go back to the root word in Babel, the same from which Ishtar in Babylon directly descended from. (Or else, that they absorbed that word from others after Babel, but the phonology of the word altered slightly.)

Importantly, Easter today is a Bible word, a Christian word, and should be entirely divorced from the past pagan usage.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2471', '44d5254994', 'Easter', 'Here is a rough draft of my third Easter article:

(As with the Translation, it is a rough draft, meaning incomplete and only a template to work from, if you cannot respect that, I simply will not respond again)

After writing two articles (1) concerning Easter and why it is a Christian celebration in its entirety, after some criticism, it dawned on me that most people will not read long winded articles, and even after a few minutes of sharing my articles with people on the internet, instead of them taking time to read and examine them, most would speedily respond by copying and pasting something about a pagan goddess from some obscure website. After some time I created a video on the topic (1), which is basically a one hour reading of the two articles with several pictures to keep people’s interest. Although the video was a bit rushed, it gives a good visual account of why I believe Easter should remain in Acts 12:4, and also remain part of the annual Church service.

When I first wrote my Easter article, world leading expert on the English language David Crystal (2) gave me some pointers about Easter and thought that the article was accurate and good. Although both slightly disagreeable on certain minor points, Christianity Today has since published a similar article on Easter being Christian (3) and also Johnathan Sarfati of Creation Ministries International (4) has used the information to confirm my stance on Easter.  When I approached James White (5) from Alpha and Omega ministries who wrote the book “King James Only Controversy,” he speedily rebuked me and called me a Ruckmanite for making such claims and banned me from his forum. On the flip side, D. A. Waite (6) who wrote Defending the King James Bible printed parts of the articles in his newsletter after having formerly taught that Easter was pagan. His contemporary Jack Moorman (6) also read the articles and said that the information had taken the matter forward considerably from his former article on the topic (7). 

In fact the majority of the animosity has surprisingly come from King James Only supporters who have swallowed the false King James Only concept that Easter is a pagan festival. I mentioned to one KJV supporter that if Easter in the KJV is pagan, and yet the underlying Greek text says “Pascha,” that would make the KJV a PARAPHRASE and not a literal translation. I cannot understand the logic behind many King James Only people, who should have naturally gravitated towards the revelations in my former articles, but it seems their allegiance to and defence of cultic figures such as Peter Ruckman, Sam Gipp, and Gail Riplinger is stronger than their allegiance to and defence of the truth. Although many who are not in the hyper King James Only camp, but still believe the King James to be an accurate translation of the Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, have accepted the teaching as orthodox. In conclusion to the responses, all I can say is that I still thoroughly believe what I have written to be factual and correct and my steadfastness in defending my position has only further strengthened my stance. 

If you simply go to Google translate (8), and choose to translate from “English” into “Greek” and type in the words &quot;Passover&quot; and &quot;Easter,&quot; the answer in Greek for both is &#928;&#940;&#963;&#967;&#945; &#928;&#940;&#963;&#967;&#945; (Pascha Pascha). One Pascha (Passover) is the Old Testament type, and the other Pascha (Easter) is the New Testament fulfilment. This has been the same in Greek for 2000 years. Only the context formulated the difference. This is evident in the Church fathers writings who often used Pascha for both the OT and NT feasts. Tyndale invented the word Passover, and thus we Englishmen no longer had one word for the OT feast &amp; NT feast, but two (previously we only used Easter - sometimes \'pask\' but rarely). In Scripture, Passover was practiced before the resurrection occurred, and Easter, meaning resurrection, was practiced by the church after the resurrection occurred. Acts 12:4 occured after the cross, being the only scripture befitting the post resurrection context of Easter and not Passover.

Bede and Pagan Roots

Over the years, I have been asked repeated questions by people who have tried to cling to the pagan goddess myth. It was qualified in the previous two articles that Easter was considered by the reformers to be the celebration of the resurrection and never once referring to a pagan goddess. But what about the English historian the Bede, and the goddess Eostre claims? The Venerable Bede (672-735) claimed that the word Easter came from Eostre, the goddess of the Saxons:

The first month, which the Latins call January, is Giuli; February is called Solmonath; March Hrethmonath; April, Eosturmonath [...] 

Eosturmonath has a name which is now translated \'Paschal month\' and which was once called after a goddess of theirs named Eostre, in whose honour feasts were celebrated in that month. Now they designate that Paschal season by her name, calling the joys of the new rite by the time-honoured name of the old observance.(9)

While many now understand that Hislop’s phonetic connections between Easter and Ishtar is without any solid linguistic evidence, they still have questions and doubts about English Eostre, the goddess. Is the Easter/Eostre theory based upon some linguistic data? Bede notes that the native Old English month &#274;ostur-monath (Old English “&#274;ostre-month”) was equivalent to the month of April, yet that feasts held in the goddess\'s honor during &#274;ostur-monath had gone out of use by the time of his writing and had been replaced with the Christian custom of the “Paschal season.”

Homophones

In the English language there are things called homophones. Some examples of homophones are: ‘stalk’ (part of a plant) and ‘stalk’ (follow/harass a person).  ‘Left’ (past tense of leave) and ‘left’ (opposite of right).  ‘Rose’ (flower) and ‘rose’ (past tense of rise). Words such as ‘carat,’ ‘caret,’ and ‘carrot,’ or ‘to,’ ‘two,’ and ‘too,’ apply here also. In our case we have English “Easter” and “Eostre.” Although spelt slightly differently, many English dictionaries have placed them under the same title of “Easter.” It must be noted that any definition that appears in a dictionary is separate from another entry. The two entries are separate and not under the same entry. 

Many English Dictionaries mention both a pagan and a Christian definition for Easter

1717 English dictionary states that:

“Easter, Aoster, Oster, a Saxon goddess whose feast they observed in Easter month, April.” 

But below it is the definition:

“Easter, the Christian Passover, in remembrance of Christ\'s death and resurrection...etc” (An English Dictionary, 1717, Elisha Coles) 

Noah Webster\'s dictionary in 1828 has 

“...Eas&quot;ter [AS. eáster, eástran, paschal feast, Easter; akin to G. ostern; fr. AS. Eástre, a goddess of light or spring, in honor of whom a festival was celebrated in April; whence this month was 1. An annual church festival commemorating Christ\'s resurrection, and occurring on Sunday, the second day after Good Friday. It corresponds to the pascha or Passover of the Jews, and most nations still give it this name under the various forms of pascha, pasque, pâque, or pask. 1. The day on which the festival is observed....Easter day, on which the rest of the movable feasts depend, is always the first Sunday after the fourteenth day of the calendar moon which (fourteenth day) falls on, or next after, the 21st of March, according to the rules laid down for the construction of the calendar; so that if the fourteenth day happen on a Sunday, Easter day is the Sunday after.” (American Dictionary Of The English Language, 1828 (through the 1911 edition), Noah Webster) 

Nathan Bailey in his 1802 An Universal Etymological English Dictionary:

“EASTER [easter, of eastre, Sax. a goddess of the Saxons, in honour of whom, sacrifices were offered about that time of year, Ostern, Teut.]” and then has “a solemn festival appointed in commemoration of Christ\'s death and Resurrection.” (An Universal Etymological English Dictionary, 1802, Nathan Bailey) 

These examples above show that English Easter SEEMS to come from Eástre or Aoster. How can one reconcile this and justify the use of a pagan word? 

The Eastern Connection

When one does a study on Easter in English, Easter and Eostre are etymologically related to the word east, but that is as far as it goes. In reality, there are many words that come from east (which is akin to German “ost” pronounced ‘oost’). East and ost simply have similar roots meaning “the dawn” or “sunrise.” To Christians, this word is related to the resurrection, and the “rising of the sun” at which time of day the Lord Jesus was discovered to be risen! “In the end of the sabbath, as it began to DAWN toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.” (Matthew 28:1) “And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the RISING OF THE SUN.” (Mark 16:2) 

Some scriptures point to Christ resurrection being a great dawning: &quot;But unto you that fear my name shall the SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS ARISE with healing in his wings;&quot; (Malachi 4:2) &quot;We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a LIGHT THAT SHINETH in a dark place, until the DAY DAWN, and the DAY STAR ARISE in your hearts:&quot; (2 Peter 1:19) &quot;I am the root and the offspring of David, and the BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR. (Revelation 22:16) 

While pagans obviously named their goddess after the “east” for whatever reasons they did, it must be made abundantly clear that the word “east” is totally NEUTRAL and is neither Christian or pagan, good or evil. There are several examples of neutral words being related to east, one being the Germanic “Österreich” which is simply known as the country of “Austria,” from Oster (East) and Reich (Kingdom), which includes the word “Oster” being the same word Luther used for Easter in his bible, and the same word claimed to be a pagan goddess. “Austria,” while having “Oster” in it, is not related to the Christian “Oster” or the pagan “Oster,” but simply means “East Kingdom.” Many words in all languages can have a similar root, like undertaker, understanding, or undermine, but this does not mean these words are exclusively associated. There is nothing evil about “east” and words that derive from it should not be seen as close relatives of each other with good or evil meanings. “Oster” simply means “East” in German and because a goddess is named after such a common term should not taint any other common word related to “Ost.” 

Pagan Christianity

Just because a pagan goddess existed does not mean that Easter derives from Eostre in any shape or form. My own assumption is Easter derived from the German word to resurrect and remains so today, as I expressed in my earlier articles. 

“Our word Easter is of Saxon origin and of precisely the same import with its German cognate Ostern. The latter is derived from the old Teutonic form of auferstehen / auferstehung, that is - resurrection.” (10)

But for arguments sake, lets amuse ourselves with the concept that the name Easter originated from a pagan goddess, what is the worst case scenario of such an association? Well, etymologically the name of the goddess Eostre simply means “morning.” If a local witch called her cult the “Dawn of the Morning” relating back to this goddess, I wouldn\'t stop using the word ‘morning’ even if I found that it had derived from the same ‘evil’ place. Christ even uses “morning” as part of his title (Revelation 22:16). Old High German “eostarum” which means “to dawn.” “East” is not evil, “morning” is not evil. In fact does Satan own any words? Are any words his to claim and are we forbidden to use them? What if perhaps the early English Christians took the entire idea of Easter to slap the pagan goddess in the face and proclaim that Jesus is the only resurrection, as a testimony of the Anglo-Saxon Christians\' rejection of this goddess?

Realistically many words come from pagan concepts such as the days of the week. “Friday” means “Day of Frige” – “Frige” being the name of a Norse goddess. “Wednesday” and “Saturday” are also derived from the names of the pagan gods “Woden” and “Saturnus.” When we evaluate the pagan roots concept it really comes down to the Hebrew roots and Sacred Names movements. Books like “Pagan Christianity” label almost everything as pagan. Well of course it is! No culture and language was sanctified except the culture of the Hebrews of the Old Testament! Therefore, everything non Hebrew is thus by default, pagan! So unless we are all planning on becoming Jewish and practicing their customs and language, we use the languages of those around us, as the New Testament writers used the THOROUGHLY PAGAN Koine Greek with words like “Theos” which was used to describe Greek gods, or concepts like “Hades,” which in the New Testament which is translated as “Hell,” but in Greek mythology was the god of the underworld. If the writers of sacred scripture under the INSPIRATION of God didn\'t see any evil conspiracy to borrow such pagan words and to use them for the glory of God, nor should we! How can a translation be done into any culture if we cannot use the common words of that culture?

In Summary and Conclusion

But I personally don\'t think such a thing happened. England and Germany are large places and traditionally had a rich culture. Just because a word is a homophone does not mean that the meaning is shared. East simply referred to the dawn or sunrise, and we need to recognize that both pagans and Christians wished to use the word “east” for their respective purposes. Perhaps, as I assume, these two factions may have even been in SEPERATE LOCATIONS in the Germanic speaking world and merely have the neutral word “east” as their common bond. 

So not everything with German “Ost” or English “East” is related to a pagan Easter nor for that matter a Christian Easter. If I did this in the English language to a word like “Allah,” and said, anything with the &quot;Al&quot; sound is evil, like &quot;ALexandria&quot;, &quot;ALien&quot;, ALchemy&quot; etc... I would be laughed at by linguists. Now just suppose Satan worshipers worshiped on a hill called the “Western Mount” just because the term “West” is in the name of the mount, doesn’t mean that it is related to “Westminister,” and is etymologically absurd to think so. “Osterberg” in German simply means “Eastern City” from “Oster” (Eastern) and “Berg” (city or town). Places like “Westminster” and “Southampton” are simply names related to a particular direction. I suppose soon people will these phoney phonetic comparisons to rationale that “Australia” is “Ostralia,” the wicked nation of sex and eggs... We wouldn’t naturally assume that “George Bush” has etymological links to the “burning bush.” We don\'t think that “Youth in Asia” is “euthanasia” or that “example” is a type of “egg sample!” 

So shall we reject Easter? Dr.Paul Maier, professor of ancient history at Western Michigan University, observes that 

&quot;...if all the evidence is weighed carefully and fairly, it is indeed justifiable, according to the canons of historical research, to conclude that the sepulcher of Joseph of Arimathea, in which Jesus was buried, was actually empty on the morning of THE FIRST EASTER.

References

1 http://www.easterau.com  Why We Should Not Passover Easter (Part 1 &amp; 2)
2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Crystal 
3 http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/bytopic/holidays/easterborrowedholiday.html?start=1 “Was Easter Borrowed from a Pagan Holiday?” The historical evidence contradicts this popular notion. by Anthony McRoy a Fellow of the British Society for Middle East Studies and lecturer in Islamic studies at Wales Evangelical School of Theology, U.K.
4 http://creation.com/easter-and-good-friday-questions-and-answers “Easter and Good Friday: questions and answers.” Does Easter have a pagan derivation? Was Jesus really crucified on a Friday? by Jonathan Sarfati B.Sc. (Hons.), Ph.D., F.M. Creationist Physical Chemist and Spectroscopist 
5 https://aomin.org/articles/bio.html James White, Alpha and Omega Ministries 
6 http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/ D. A. Waite, head of the Dean Burgon Society
7 http://www.av1611.org/kjv/easter2.html Jack Moorman “Easter or Passover”
8 http://translate.google.com Google Translate
9 The Venerable Bede, The Reckoning of Time (Latin: De temporum ratione)
10 Eusebius’ Ecclesiastical History, Translated by C.F. Cruse, Hendrickson Publishers, p437');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2472', '604940df5b', 'Response:', 'You said:

&quot;...The problem is that he is deliberately ignoring where the word “Easter” came from prior to its Christian meaning and use...&quot;

This is untrue. The concept of Ishtar being related to Oster is Etymologically flawed. I touched on dozens of themes, and thus why above you can see I am addressing these claims, so in no was am I &quot;deliberately ignoring where the word “Easter” came from&quot; - my research proves it comes from East/Ost, which is a very common root. 

You said:

&quot;...Nick Sayers also goes to the Hebrew which confuses the very simple meaning of pass-over, claiming instead that it means to “skip over or to limp”, which is most bizarre...&quot;

The Hebrew word Pesach means that, see: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%A4%D7%A1%D7%97#Hebrew 

http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/strongs_6453.htm

From 

http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/6452.htm

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Passover&amp;allowed_in_frame=0

What then is the etymology of the Hebrew word?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2473', 'f5e523296f', 'Re: Easter', 'This is not a debate forum, but I will point out things which I think are issues.

[quote:f5e523296f]When I first wrote my Easter article, world leading expert on the English language David Crystal[/quote:f5e523296f]

Name dropping does not make an argument right (or wrong).

[quote:f5e523296f]I mentioned to one KJV supporter that if Easter in the KJV is pagan, and yet the underlying Greek text says “Pascha,”[/quote:f5e523296f]

There is a problem in attempting to argue a doctrine based on the Greek. If we read &quot;Easter&quot; in English, and we know in English that it is a Christian festival, then that is the end of the matter.

The problem is that I think you are thinking that because the original word is not of pagan origin, that the English cannot be of pagan origin. That is incorrect. Many English words we use today are of pagan origin. But they are Christianised.

The word &quot;God&quot; is of pagan origin, yet we don\'t worship Woden, but the true Christian God.

[quote:f5e523296f]it seems their allegiance to and defence of cultic figures such as Peter Ruckman, Sam Gipp, and Gail Riplinger is stronger than their allegiance to and defence of the truth[/quote:f5e523296f]

That emotive argument is irrelevant, and does not change the facts. The facts are that Easter (&quot;Eostre&quot;) was used by the Angles and Saxons BEFORE Christianity, and that there was a goddess by that name.

[quote:f5e523296f]Aramaic[/quote:f5e523296f]

That word is not in the Bible. Why not say &quot;Syriack&quot; or &quot;Chaldean&quot;?

[quote:f5e523296f]Easter was considered by the reformers to be the celebration of the resurrection and never once referring to a pagan goddess[/quote:f5e523296f]

Yes, but as they well knew, the word was used prior to Christianity with a different meaning. It is extreme to deny the prior pagan origins of words, even though those meanings do not apply today.

[quote:f5e523296f]In our case we have English “Easter” and “Eostre.” Although spelt slightly differently, many English dictionaries have placed them under the same title of “Easter.” It must be noted that any definition that appears in a dictionary is separate from another entry. The two entries are separate and not under the same entry. 

Many English Dictionaries mention both a pagan and a Christian definition for Easter[/quote:f5e523296f]

The points are that 1. etymology means that the present word Easter (with the proper Christian meaning) came from the past word &quot;eostre&quot; 2. that they are two different concepts with two different dictionary entries is quite right, but this does not disannul the etymological origins of &quot;Easter&quot;.

[quote:f5e523296f]While pagans obviously named their goddess after the “east” for whatever reasons they did, it must be made abundantly clear that the word “east” is totally NEUTRAL and is neither Christian or pagan, good or evil.[/quote:f5e523296f]

But in paganism, the meaning was to do with springtime and equinox and sunrising, so of course East has significance:

Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD\'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

[quote:f5e523296f]Just because a pagan goddess existed does not mean that Easter derives from Eostre in any shape or form.[/quote:f5e523296f]

This point is a completely untenable argument.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2474', '71661c5591', 'Re: Response:', '[quote:71661c5591=\"Textus Receptus\"]You said:

&quot;...The problem is that he is deliberately ignoring where the word “Easter” came from prior to its Christian meaning and use...&quot;

This is untrue. The concept of Ishtar being related to Oster is Etymologically flawed. I touched on dozens of themes, and thus why above you can see I am addressing these claims, so in no was am I &quot;deliberately ignoring where the word “Easter” came from&quot; - my research proves it comes from East/Ost, which is a very common root.[/quote:71661c5591]

Given that the tower of Babel is the common origin to languages and peoples, this indicates the strong connection between the pagan Eostre and the goddesses of other nations such as Ishtar, Astarte, etc.

This is not just a &quot;coincidence&quot;, but something that is readily known by linguistic experts (though they do not not believe in the tower of Babel).

[quote:71661c5591=\"Textus Receptus\"]You said:

&quot;...Nick Sayers also goes to the Hebrew which confuses the very simple meaning of pass-over, claiming instead that it means to “skip over or to limp”, which is most bizarre...&quot;[/quote:71661c5591]

It is bizarre for anyone to assert that PASSOVER means anything other than to pass over, and the Jewish feast by that name.

This highlights the problem where people &quot;go to the Hebrew&quot; and begin to come up with unbiblical definitions.

Giving internet links or quoting a lexicon does not make something right.');
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2477', '6c156317b0', '', 'It is bad of them to do this.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2478', 'fd2454782f', '', 'I\'m guessing you got an older 355 from before the change to 1 John 5:8.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2479', 'a69a318dce', '', 'I heard from someone that they have at least two sets of print masters, and they are deliberately choosing to print the non-PCE one, but that they &quot;accidentally&quot; printed the PCE last year (2012), and called it something like a &quot;mistake&quot;.

I really don\'t get that kind of thinking.

As for 1 John 5:8, that was being printed the right way for years. The word &quot;spirit&quot; was being printed the right way in 1769. It was being printed the right way in the 1980s.

Here\'s a picture from the 1630s:

[img:a69a318dce]http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc262/bibleprotector/1637.jpg[/img:a69a318dce]

I think they should stick with hundreds of years of Cambridge printing.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2480', '71ac2c57c4', 'Easter is from auferstehen', '[quote:71ac2c57c4][color=green:71ac2c57c4]When I first wrote my Easter article, world leading expert on the English language David Crystal[/color:71ac2c57c4]

Name dropping does not make an argument right (or wrong).[/quote:71ac2c57c4]	

But having approval from one of the worlds leading experts on English is significant. Crystal explained certain aspects of Easter to me, as I had assumed that Tyndale\'s Ester was closer to German Oster than Easter, but he explained that in his research, this was not the case, and the it was simply a variant in spelling. Crystal is a brilliant linguist, and I would rather side with him than Hislop.

[quote:71ac2c57c4][color=green:71ac2c57c4]I mentioned to one KJV supporter that if Easter in the KJV is pagan, and yet the underlying Greek text says “Pascha,”
[/color:71ac2c57c4]

There is a problem in attempting to argue a doctrine based on the Greek. If we read &quot;Easter&quot; in English, and we know in English that it is a Christian festival, then that is the end of the matter.

The problem is that I think you are thinking that because the original word is not of pagan origin, that the English cannot be of pagan origin. That is incorrect. Many English words we use today are of pagan origin. But they are Christianised.

The word &quot;God&quot; is of pagan origin, yet we don\'t worship Woden, but the true Christian God.[/quote:71ac2c57c4]	

Before English existed, the Greek\'s and most other nations used Pascha. You seem to forbid any reading of the Greek language. The translators and most good KJV defenders read the Greek. It is not wrong to do so. NONE of the reformers thought Easter was pagan, which is my case. Tyndale would have been blaspheming when he called Jesus the esterlamb.

[quote:71ac2c57c4][color=green:71ac2c57c4]it seems their allegiance to and defense of cultic figures such as Peter Ruckman, Sam Gipp, and Gail Riplinger is stronger than their allegiance to and defense of the truth[/color:71ac2c57c4]

That emotive argument is irrelevant, and does not change the facts. The facts are that Easter (&quot;Eostre&quot;) was used by the Angles and Saxons BEFORE Christianity, and that there was a goddess by that name.[/quote:71ac2c57c4]

No, the facts are Easter and Eostre simply have the common root, east/ost.

[quote:71ac2c57c4][color=green:71ac2c57c4]Aramaic[/color:71ac2c57c4]

That word is not in the Bible. Why not say &quot;Syriack&quot; or &quot;Chaldean&quot;?[/quote:71ac2c57c4]	

Is the use of a modern day synonym a sin?

[quote:71ac2c57c4][color=green:71ac2c57c4]Easter was considered by the reformers to be the celebration of the resurrection and never once referring to a pagan goddess[/color:71ac2c57c4]

Yes, but as they well knew, the word was used prior to Christianity with a different meaning. It is extreme to deny the prior pagan origins of words, even though those meanings do not apply today.[/quote:71ac2c57c4]

Your statement &quot;but as they well knew, the word was used prior to Christianity with a different meaning&quot; is founded upon what evidence? How do you know any reformer thought Easter was related to a pagan goddess? You are implying this without evidence.

[quote:71ac2c57c4][color=green:71ac2c57c4]In our case we have English “Easter” and “Eostre.” Although spelt slightly differently, many English dictionaries have placed them under the same title of “Easter.” It must be noted that any definition that appears in a dictionary is separate from another entry. The two entries are separate and not under the same entry.

Many English Dictionaries mention both a pagan and a Christian definition for Easter[/color:71ac2c57c4]

The points are that 1. etymology means that the present word Easter (with the proper Christian meaning) came from the past word &quot;eostre&quot; 2. that they are two different concepts with two different dictionary entries is quite right, but this does not disannul the etymological origins of &quot;Easter&quot;.[/quote:71ac2c57c4]

The only traceable etymology is to East, not Eostre.

[quote:71ac2c57c4][color=green:71ac2c57c4]While pagans obviously named their goddess after the “east” for whatever reasons they did, it must be made abundantly clear that the word “east” is totally NEUTRAL and is neither Christian or pagan, good or evil.[/color:71ac2c57c4]

But in paganism, the meaning was to do with springtime and equinox and sunrising, so of course East has significance:

Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD\'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.[/quote:71ac2c57c4]

So are you implying that East is in fact a pagan word?

[quote:71ac2c57c4][color=green:71ac2c57c4]Just because a pagan goddess existed does not mean that Easter derives from Eostre in any shape or form.[/color:71ac2c57c4]

This point is a completely untenable argument.[/quote:71ac2c57c4]	

The issue is, there are other words, such as Austria, which are related to East, is Austria evil also? It is a conspiracy theory.

[quote:71ac2c57c4][color=green:71ac2c57c4]You said:

&quot;...The problem is that he is deliberately ignoring where the word “Easter” came from prior to its Christian meaning and use...&quot;

This is untrue. The concept of Ishtar being related to Oster is Etymologically flawed. I touched on dozens of themes, and thus why above you can see I am addressing these claims, so in no was am I &quot;deliberately ignoring where the word “Easter” came from&quot; - my research proves it comes from East/Ost, which is a very common root.[/color:71ac2c57c4]

Given that the tower of Babel is the common origin to languages and peoples, this indicates the strong connection between the pagan Eostre and the goddesses of other nations such as Ishtar, Astarte, etc.

This is not just a &quot;coincidence&quot;, but something that is readily known by linguistic experts (though they do not not believe in the tower of Babel).[/quote:71ac2c57c4]

If that were true, every word that had any type of phonetic similarity would be related. This is absurd. Even within English alone, the phonetics have morphed in the last 500 years, so much so that it would be difficult to understand a local Englishman 500 years ago. Let alone 1500 years of English, then Germanic, Teutonic Germanic, then Latin, then back to a common root at Babel. Just take a brief look at the topic of Homophones, which have entirely different meanings but sound exactly the same, that alone disproves that concept.

[quote:71ac2c57c4][color=green:71ac2c57c4]You said:

&quot;...Nick Sayers also goes to the Hebrew which confuses the very simple meaning of pass-over, claiming instead that it means to “skip over or to limp”, which is most bizarre...&quot;[/color:71ac2c57c4]

It is bizarre for anyone to assert that PASSOVER means anything other than to pass over, and the Jewish feast by that name.

This highlights the problem where people &quot;go to the Hebrew&quot; and begin to come up with unbiblical definitions.

Giving internet links or quoting a lexicon does not make something right.	[/quote:71ac2c57c4]

But you have caused yourself to be utterly restricted to the KJV English, and are bound not to look into Greek or Hebrew, so how would you know or even understand how earlier versions translated? Or how the Greek reads? When we are talking about events and cultures other than English, you seem to believe that it is like attaining forbidden knowledge or something. You are English only, and scorn those who use any another language, even claiming that a Yod, is pronounced Jod because Psalm 119 spells it that way.

My article proves that the KJV is right, from logical grounds, not from the mystic belief that the KJV magically appeared from nowhere and has no Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek heritage. The root of Easter is east, and has links to German Oster. The German equivalent is Oster, (Ostern being the modern day German correspondent) which is related to Ost which means the rising of the sun, or simply in English, east. Oster comes from the old Teutonic form of auferstehen/auferstehung, which means resurrection, which in the older Teutonic form comes from two words, ester meaning first, and stehen meaning to stand. These two words combine to form erstehen which is an old German form of auferstehen, the modern day German word for resurrection.
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WORD THINKING MAKES US FRUITFUL

“Blessed is the man [whose] delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.” (Psalm 1:1a, 2b).

There is a blessing when a person is thinking the Word. Why? Because the Word is powerful, and shapes us on the inside.

What happens on the inside affects the outside.

“And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.” (Psalm 1:3).

The roots are under the ground. Yet, the roots is where the supply for the tree is. And when those roots are at the river’s edge, there’s plenty of water for the tree.

That is what our lives are like when we are drawing on the Word of God. We bring forth fruits. We are seen as great witnesses.

If your delight is in God’s Word, you will not be uprooting yourself. You will not be flying around like the chaff, which disappears. When the wind blows, chaff blows away, but a healthy tree remains.

That is the kind of life God wants us to have. The New Testament way of understanding the law of the Lord is needful. It is the way of blessing.

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WHY WE CANNOT TAKE HYPOCRITICAL POLITICAL PARTIES SERIOUSLY

Recently, a Pentecostal Pastor, Danny Nalliah, started an offshoot from the languishing Family First political party called “Rise up Australia”. (If Christ is first, family cannot be first, so leaving that party seems good.)

The problem with this is evident in this interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1gkpD4ZyOs

The very first thing that Mr Nalliah speaks about is not:

1. The Bible first — which is what we would hope to expect from a Pentecostal ministry.

2. An assurance that secularism would trump personal religious views — which is what we would expect from a mainstream political party.

Instead, we hear a comment about the Pope.

If anyone is going to legitimately argue against Islam, against multiculturalism and against homosexuality from a proper Biblical basis, they would also have to really be consistent and state, as Ulster’s Ian Paisley did, that the pope is antichrist.

“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” (2 Cor. 6:14).

And to be clear that this verse is talking about Roman Catholicism, “And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” (2 Cor. 6:16).

That would also mean that Mr Nalliah would have to abandon his notion of the “Judeo-Christian heritage”.

Christian means, in its proper term, the tradition upheld particularly by genuine Protestantism, including by sound Pentecostals.

Christian does not mean Roman Catholicism.

As for “Judeo”, that is a reference to another religion entirely, one which was antagonistic to Christianity (e.g. Saul of Tarsus, modern rabbis). It is absurd to be “anti-Islamic” yet to accept Judaism. What Mr Nalliah should say is, “We want Jews to be converted to Christianity, and Catholics too.” But since his “Christianity” is suspect, it means that it would be unsafe to vote for his party.

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But having approval from one of the worlds leading experts on English is significant. Crystal explained certain aspects of Easter to me, as I had assumed that Tyndale\'s Ester was closer to German Oster than Easter, but he explained that in his research, this was not the case, and the it was simply a variant in spelling. Crystal is a brilliant linguist, and I would rather side with him than Hislop.	[/color:74069c2ee5]

Hislop was off in various ways. Do not make the argument between your position and Hislop. I doubt that Crystal holds to your position. And I do not hold to Hislop\'s. (That is like saying that all King James Bible believers are Ruckmanites because some are Ruckmanites.)

I doubt that Crystal denies what the dictionaries and etymologists confirm, that there is a relationship between the current word &quot;Easter&quot; and the fact that there was a pagan goddess &quot;Eostre&quot;.

After all, how is it that Eostre is the vernal equinox festival meaning the same as Easter, and that even the OED states the relationship between the origins of these words, yet you deny it?

Your wild claim that &quot;Easter is from auferstehen&quot; is untenable because all witnesses and common sense indicates that &quot;Easter&quot; is from &quot;Eostre&quot;.

Even the Scripture shows that the root word &quot;East&quot; would be used in pagan terms on this basis: Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD\'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

&quot;Auferstehen&quot; is modern German. To go backwards means to go to proto-germanic, and clearly the &quot;Ost-&quot; prefix means East.

[color=green:74069c2ee5]Quote:	
Before English existed, the Greek\'s and most other nations used Pascha.[/color:74069c2ee5]	

Actually, that is incorrect. The origins of English are equal to the origins of Greek. Greek comes Japheth, Javan and Elishah (Ellas), and thus from the tower of Babel. We come from Japheth, Gomer and Ashkenaz, and thus from the tower of Babel.

Just because the Christian Greeks said &quot;Pascha&quot; does not in any way contradict the existence of the Germanic pagan festival &quot;Eostre&quot;. The pagan Romans had their Veneralia, and the Greeks had their goddess &quot;Eos&quot;.

So, it is obvious that even if &quot;Ishtar&quot; and &quot;Astare&quot; were just coincidently similar to &quot;Eostre&quot; and &quot;Easter&quot;, it is evident that the very Greek goddess and the very word &quot;Eos&quot; in Greek bear record of the common Japhthic origin (what is called Indo-aryan) meaning that &quot;Easter&quot; is the adopted pagan word with a Christian meaning.

[color=green:74069c2ee5]Quote:	
The translators and most good KJV defenders read the Greek. It is not wrong to do so.	[/color:74069c2ee5]

We are looking at God\'s Word in English, not attempting to change it in English by interpreting Greek.

Since &quot;Easter&quot; has a Christian meaning in English, we don\'t need Greek.

And since we can do research and find that the word &quot;Easter&quot; came from &quot;Eostre&quot; by linguistic study and by common sense analysis, it is evident that to deny the pagan origin of the word &quot;Easter&quot; is absurd.

Remember, the word is Christian and has a Christian meaning, despite where it came from, just as &quot;God&quot; has a Christian meaning, despite the fact that word came from a pagan deity and historical person (Woden/Odin).

[color=green:74069c2ee5]Quote:	
NONE of the reformers thought Easter was pagan, which is my case.[/color:74069c2ee5]	

Correct, but your case is that you are attempting to deny that the words we use today came from words used by pagans. English is a &quot;sanctified&quot; language, because the meanings have been Christianised. You seem to want to erase the reality that our modern English derived from pagan Anglo-saxon.

[color=green:74069c2ee5]Quote:	
No, the facts are Easter and Eostre simply have the common root, east/ost.	[/color:74069c2ee5]

Really? And why was there an Anglo-saxon festival held called &quot;Eostre&quot; which was the same time as Easter? Could it be that the converted Christians used their old name for the new festival?

[color=green:74069c2ee5]Quote:	
Is the use of a modern day synonym a sin?	[/color:74069c2ee5]

Why make an excuse for not using Bible words? I can imagine you are one of these people who go around saying &quot;Holy Spirit&quot; instead of &quot;Holy Ghost&quot; because you are against using the Anglo-saxon derived word &quot;ghost&quot;. Do you also use &quot;hades&quot; instead of &quot;hell&quot;, &quot;demon&quot; instead of &quot;devil&quot; and so on? I suspect you do.

[color=green:74069c2ee5]Quote:	
Your statement &quot;but as they well knew, the word was used prior to Christianity with a different meaning&quot; is founded upon what evidence? How do you know any reformer thought Easter was related to a pagan goddess? You are implying this without evidence.	[/color:74069c2ee5]

Your argument is incorrect. Reformers did not account that Easter was pagan. I said that people knew that &quot;Easter&quot; in old times was a pagan festival. I said that the Reformers (i.e. proper scholarship) knew this (Bede testified of it.)

Let me say it again: Easter is a Christian festival, but the word &quot;Eostre&quot; was used by pre-Christian pagans to mean their spring festival. Why deny this fact? Remember, EASTER is a &quot;sanctified&quot; word, we are using the pure Bible English with proper meanings.

Going to the Greek today undermines this process. Your wishful thinking theory seems to only wish to deny any pagan use of our language, but the reality is that the origins of English and in the same sin as the origins of Greek, that is, the tower of Babel. Yet, God\'s mercy is towards the Greeks and English.

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The only traceable etymology is to East, not Eostre.	[/color:74069c2ee5]

That is incorrect. We have the equivalence of Greek with &quot;Eos&quot;, we have Bede\'s testimony about &quot;Easter&quot; and much more from linguistic and etymological scholarship.

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So are you implying that East is in fact a pagan word?	[/color:74069c2ee5]

No, I am showing that there was a pagan meaning for it; we use &quot;East&quot; in the proper sense, and we are using the sanctified English of the pure Bible.

So, while &quot;East&quot; was used by pagans with a pagan meaning, it is used by Christians with a Christian meaning. (Besides the neutrality of merely being a cardinal direction.)

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The issue is, there are other words, such as Austria, which are related to East, is Austria evil also?	[/color:74069c2ee5]

This is ridiculous. Who said &quot;Easter&quot; was evil? I am arguing for the sanctified, Christian English usage.

Zep 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.

I am pointing to the perfect English of the KJB. Where is your pure language?

It cannot be in both Hebrew and Greek, for only one is referred to. Where is the world turning to Hebrew or Greek to serve the Lord in unity?

While you accept that there is proper, Christian use of the word &quot;Easter&quot;, you are undermining the reason why &quot;Easter&quot; is correct, because you are going to the Greek TODAY to change the meaning of English, rather than accepting that the proper English word &quot;Easter&quot; already has the Christian meaning, where Greek was never used in the evangelism of the Anglo-saxons!

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If that were true, every word that had any type of phonetic similarity would be related. This is absurd. Even within English alone, the phonetics have morphed in the last 500 years, so much so that it would be difficult to understand a local Englishman 500 years ago. Let alone 1500 years of English, then Germanic, Teutonic Germanic, then Latin, then back to a common root at Babel. Just take a brief look at the topic of Homophones, which have entirely different meanings but sound exactly the same, that alone disproves that concept.	[/color:74069c2ee5]

I agree with your point about coincidences and homophones and so on, but that has nothing to do with the historical reality and sound case that the word &quot;Easter&quot; came from the Anglo-saxon word &quot;Eostre&quot;.

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But you have caused yourself to be utterly restricted to the KJV English, and are bound not to look into Greek or Hebrew, so how would you know or even understand how earlier versions translated?	[/color:74069c2ee5]

We are free, not bound. There is no problem at knowing languages. The problem is that you are denying that the full and perfect truth is in English.

You are denying that the KJB men got it right.

Unless we restrict the truth of the Scripture to the very truth in English, we will be led astray and confused. Your doctrines (which are relatively good) suffer. How much more do the out-and-out modern versionists go astray.

Aligning to the full truth in English is the path to knowing fully correct doctrine for us. It is the means to accessing the exact truth.

Whereas, your view becomes shaky because you are referring back to the former Hebrew and Greek, and to the varying interpretations of man there, rather that the simple, plain and perfect truth in English. (That is, that in time it is possible for Christians to come to proper agreement on the basis of English, unlike the continual diffusion that occurs among those who go off on different paths based on &quot;Hebrew&quot; and &quot;Greek&quot;.)

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Or how the Greek reads?[/color:74069c2ee5]	

1 Cor. 14:11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.

Why consider the Greek when we have the perfect truth now in English?

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When we are talking about events and cultures other than English, you seem to believe that it is like attaining forbidden knowledge or something.[/color:74069c2ee5]	

Knowledge puffeth up. The true knowledge is by turning to the exact words in English. Your doctrine and thinking will be sounder then. You won\'t be coming up with strange ideas like that Beza\'s 1598 is the final perfect standard (which no one on planet earth believes except you).

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You are English only, and scorn those who use any another language, even claiming that a Yod, is pronounced Jod because Psalm 119 spells it that way.	[/color:74069c2ee5]

That is called going to the authority of Scripture. If the Bible says &quot;Jod&quot; then the truth is &quot;Jod&quot;. You might call it &quot;scorning&quot;, but God is very particular about His jots and tittles. Why mess with the book? It says &quot;Jod&quot; not &quot;Yod&quot;.

If you say &quot;Yeremiah&quot; or whatever, that is your Sibboleth.

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My article proves that the KJV is right, from logical grounds, not from the mystic belief that the KJV magically appeared from nowhere and has no Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek heritage.	[/color:74069c2ee5]

That is a dishonest statement because I certainly do not believe that the KJB &quot;mystically&quot; appeared ex nihilo. I believe that the KJB is a translation, that means it came from Hebrew, Syriack-Chaldee and Greek. But we are reading God\'s Word in English, not in Hebrew and Greek. And English words have English meanings.

You are attempting to change the English Bible by associating different meanings to Greek and Hebrew words than what the KJB translators had. When they said &quot;Ghost&quot; they meant &quot;Ghost&quot;. Don\'t go to the Greek and say, &quot;this word \'pneuma\' really should be _____ &quot;. We have an exact translation in English, so &quot;pneuma&quot; and all your changes of translation are irrelevant. We have &quot;Ghost&quot; and we know what it means.

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The root of Easter is east, and has links to German Oster. The German equivalent is Oster, (Ostern being the modern day German correspondent) which is related to Ost which means the rising of the sun, or simply in English, east. Oster comes from the old Teutonic form of auferstehen/auferstehung, which means resurrection, which in the older Teutonic form comes from two words, ester meaning first, and stehen meaning to stand. These two words combine to form erstehen which is an old German form of auferstehen, the modern day German word for resurrection.	[/color:74069c2ee5]

The reality is that English came from Anglo-saxon, and there we find &quot;Eostre&quot;, which does indeed carry those meanings of East and shining, and all that to be found in root and cognate languages like Sanskrit etc. But why deny that there was a pagan festival called Eostre which then was Christianised?

Your theory doubly falls down with the word &quot;God&quot; which was actually the name used for Woden. Either you could replace every instance of &quot;God&quot; with something else, or you could blindly deny that &quot;God&quot; ever had anything to do with a pagan deity. But the only right course is to uphold right English words with proper meaning as based on the authority of our present perfect English Bible.');
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COMMUNIST, NAZI AND GREEN LIES

Lord Christopher Monckton was right to use Scripture to warn of the error of modern day Communism: “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.” (1 Peter 5:8, 9).

Communism today is in new forms. People call them “watermelons” because they might be green on the outside, but they are red of the inside. Christopher Monckton jokingly said they were rather like traffic lights, green, turning yellow, and then red (showing their true colours).

But strangely, the Greens have a lot in common with what appears to be the “polar opposite” — Nazism. The central Nazi philosophy was based on ideas like Theosophy (i.e. the Thule Society). Today’s Greens might be made up of washed up Marxists and Socialists, but their “religion” is not atheistic, but (closer to Nazism), has a revisionist view of history, and upholds the worship of “Mother Nature”.

Andrew Bolt already pointed this out back in 2003: http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hitler_green_guru

If we are overtaken by Greens within, how shall we resist Islam without?

As Winston Churchill said, “The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.” The Scripture states, “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:32).

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With where God has led me today these quotes just jumped out at me and stick with me.  From October 1914 - &quot;Read Acts 19.  As soon as Paul saw the light from heaven above the brightness of the sun, he said, &quot;Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?&quot; (Acts 9:6).  And as soon as he was willing to yield he was in a condition where God could meet his need; where God could display His power; where God could have the man.  Oh, beloved, are you saying today, &quot;What wilt thou have me to do?&quot; The place of yieldness is just where God wants us.&quot;

Later in this sermon he says, &quot;The baptism of Jesus must bring us to have a single eye to the glory of God; everything else is wasted time and wasted energy.  Beloved, we can reach it; it is a high mark but we can get to it.  You ask how?  &quot;What wilt thou have me to do?&quot; That is the plan.  It means a perfect surrender to the call of God, and perfect obedience.

A dear young Russian came to England.  He did not know the language, but learned it quickly and was very much used and blessed of God; and as the wonderful manifestations of the power of God were seen, they pressed upon him to know the secret of his power, but he felt it was so sacred between him and God he should not tell it, but they pressed him so much he finally said to them: &quot;First God called me, and His presence was so precious, that I said  to God at every call I would obey Him, and I yielded, and yielded, and yielded, until I realized that I was simply clothed with another power altogether, and I realized that God took me, tongue, thoughts, and everything, and I was not myself but it was Christ working through me.&quot;  How many of you today have known that God has called you over and over, and has put His hand upon you, but you have not yielded?  How many of you have had the breathing of His power within you, calling you to prayer, and you have to confess you have failed?&quot;

These last questions cut to my heart and I know now what I have been lacking my whole life.  That total surrender and obedience.  Yielding over and over again.  Praise God.  I finally get it.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2488', '13a6987961', 'The spirit of Antichrist in Australian politics', 'Australia has been passing through an antichristian period. The religious connotations in this have been recognised by various news sources.

Chris Uhlmann, a Catholic political reporter for ABC’s 7.30, on Monday 25 March 2013 spoke of Australian prime minister Julia Gillard, with religious music and commentary.

CHRIS UHLMANN: From the ruins of last week, Julia Gillard has anointed a cabinet of apostles.

...

CHRIS UHLMANN: But first she had to acknowledge the internal bleeding and the bleeding obvious.

...

CHRIS UHLMANN: It’s Easter week. On Friday, Christians will recall every step of the journey that led to Christ’s death, including the betrayal by one of his own. On Sunday, they’ll celebrate his resurrection, proof that hope can endure, even in the face of death. Julia Gillard has 172 days to manufacture her revival. She’ll need every single one. Right now, there are many doubters, even in the ranks of her hand-picked disciples.

And in “The Australian” on 28 March 2013, Graham Richardson wrote, “The challenge that wasn\'t proves that God must be a Liberal voter”.

He wrote, “God is obviously voting Liberal these days. ... They were truly scared about a Kevin Rudd resurrection, which now would seem dead in the water. They desperately wanted Julia Gillard to lead Labor to the next election, which she will now surely proceed to do. In the world of Australia’s conservatives, every day is Christmas Day.”

He wrote, “Only a party abandoned by the Almighty could go through a day like last Thursday.”

Even Paul Osborne of the AAP (published in the Geelong Advertiser) wrote on 28 March 2013, the title was “Labor resurrection may depend on Swan”, “FEDERAL Labor will be counting on the budget to help save it from political death at the September election. Saving the Labor government from imminent political death will be on the minds of its faithful over the long weekend. John Howard, whose best-selling memoir was titled Lazarus Rising, is one politician who knows about resurrection.”');
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PROPHECY FOR THE FUTURE

There is no greater force for changing Australia, New Zealand and so on than religion. This does not mean that religion is a means to a political end, as though religion is the tool of government or social engineers. On the contrary, the nation finds itself as “under God” (as per its own official documents), and therefore subject to the prior recorded promises of the Scripture.

The founder of Christianity sent His Word to the uttermost parts of the Earth. After its arrival, it was not to fall dormant or die without any future prospects. Instead, strange promises were to be enacted, “All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.” (Psalm 22:27).

Over and again the Scripture points to the knowledge of God coming from the rising of the sun, and being known in the islands, “The isles saw it, and feared; the ends of the earth were afraid, drew near, and came.” (Isaiah 41:5). That is to say, that they acknowledged God and His ways, when they had not known it.

The result would be that this people would come to the Jews, “But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.” (Romans 10:19, 20). This meaning that the Christian people who would help Israel in the end would be rather unlikely candidates, a people roused to great purposes not before known to them.

The Bible points to a major event, a coming crisis. Some think of it as the threat of a world war. In Ezekiel 38 and 39 it lists certain Islamic nations led by Russia, only to be defeated by supernatural means. Present history indicates the reality of this threat. Russia and Iran are acting just as the prophecy explicitly indicates.

The greatest weapon that can be wielded in the face of this threat is to act in line with the very Scripture itself. Russia’s military defeat must also be Islam’s religious defeat. This gives great courage for our Commonwealth to allow for the expansion of our influence by means of building up our trade hand in hand with the promulgation of the Scripture.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2490', 'd739077260', '', 'This is a scientific analysis of Islam:

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2491', '8da1dc9f4c', '', 'Here is Bede on the subject from chapter 15 of his &quot;The Reckoning of Time&quot; (translated by Faith Wallis).

15. THE ENGLISH MONTHS
In olden time the English people – for it did not seem fitting to me that I should speak of other nations\' observance of the year and yet be silent about my own nation\'s – calculated their months according to the course of the Moon. Hence, after the manner of the Greeks and the Romans, [the months] take their name from the Moon, for the Moon is called mona and the month monath.

The first month, which the Latins call January, is Giuli; February is called Solmonath; March Hrethmonath; April, Eosturmonath; May, Thrimilchi; June, Litha; July, also Litha; August, Weodmonath; September, Halegmonath; October, Winterfilleth; November, Blodmonath; December, Giuli, the same name by which January is called. They began the year on the 8th kalends of January [25 December], when we celebrate the birth of the Lord. That very night, which we hold so sacred, they used to call by the heathen word Modranecht, that is, “mother\'s night”, because (we suspect) of the ceremonies they enacted all that night.

Whenever it was a common year, they gave three lunar months to each season. When an embolismic year occurred (that is, one of 13 lunar months) they assigned the extra month to summer, so that three months together bore the name “Litha”; hence they called [the embolismic] year “Thrilithi”. It had four summer months, with the usual three for the other seasons. But originally, they divided the year as a whole into two seasons, summer and winter, assigning the six months in which the days are longer than the nights to summer, and the other six to winter. Hence they called the month in which the winter season began “Winterfilleth”, a name made up from “winter” and “full Moon”, because winter began on the full Moon of that month.

Nor is it irrelevant if we take the trouble to translate the names of the other months. The months of Giuli derive their name from the day when the Sun turns back [and begins] to increase, because one of [these months] precedes [this day] and the other follows. Solmonath can be called “month of cakes”, which they offered to their gods in that month. Hrethmonath is named for their goddess Hretha, to whom they sacrificed at this time. [b:8da1dc9f4c]Eosturmonath has a name which is now translated “Paschal month”, and which was once called after a goddess of theirs named Eostre, in whose honour feasts were celebrated in that month. Now they designate that Paschal season by her name, calling the joys of the new rite by the time-honoured name of the old observance.[/b:8da1dc9f4c] Thrimilchi was so called because in that month the cattle were milked three times a day; such, at one time, was the fertility of Britain or Germany, from whence the English nation came to Britain. Litha means “gentle” or “navigable”, because in both these months the calm breezes are gentle, and they were wont to sail upon the smooth sea. Weodmonath means “month of tares”, for they are very plentiful then. Halegmonath means “month of sacred rites”. Winterfilleth can be called by the invented composite name “winter-full”. Blodmonath is “month of immolations”, for then the cattle which were to be slaughtered were consecrated to their gods. Good Jesu, thanks be to thee, who hast turned us away from these vanities and given us [grace] to offer to thee the sacrifice of praise.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2492', 'b6d1356e53', 'Help &amp;#954;&amp;#949;&amp;#967;&amp;#945;&amp;#961;&amp;', 'Help &#954;&#949;&#967;&#945;&#961;&#953;&#964;&#969;&#956;&#941;&#957;&#951;

I\'m debating a catholic on:

Luk 1:28  And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured (G5487), the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Eph 1:6  To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted (G5487)in the beloved.
......
Anyway the catholic\'s whole defense that Mary is sinless and immaculately conceived is based on a greek word \' &#954;&#949;&#967;&#945;&#961;&#953;&#964;&#969;&#956;&#941;&#957;&#951; \' ; and claims to have won the debate because I can\'t refute it.
Well, I\'m a KJB bible believer not a dead language believer.

Has anyone come across this and know where I can get more understanding on why (G5487) isn\'t the same in both verses because of this word \'&#954;&#949;&#967;&#945;&#961;&#953;&#964;&#969;&#956;&#941;&#957;&#951;\'?');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2493', 'a5ee6e3bf8', '', 'No one wins any argument or debate by going to the Greek, because it is subjective.

The proper way is to assert the correctness of the Scripture now received.

In regards to the same Greek word being translated with a different English word, read things such as this: http://www.bibleprotector.com/Burgon_1882.pdf');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2494', 'a20ac42274', '', '[quote:a20ac42274=\"bibleprotector\"]No one wins any argument or debate by going to the Greek, because it is subjective.

The proper way is to assert the correctness of the Scripture now received.
[/quote:a20ac42274]
I realize that; that\'s why I just keep posting the Scripture and calling it God\'s written inspired word. And leave like that, even though they call it a victory.
Scripture will reprove one way or another; either they will believe or reject. 

[quote:a20ac42274]In regards to the same Greek word being translated with a different English word, read things such as this: http://www.bibleprotector.com/Burgon_1882.pdf[/quote:a20ac42274]
Thanks; I\'ll download and read.');
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THE DEMISE OF ROMANISM AND ATHEISM

After the French Revolution came to Rome in 1798, Napoleon Bonaparte made an alliance with the Papacy. Since that time, Roman Catholicism has been slowly consumed.

Recent figures of Brazil — an ardently Roman Catholic country — shows that there is noticeable decline there also. see http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/15/world/americas/in-brazil-growing-threats-to-catholicisms-sway.html?pagewanted=all&amp;_r=0

“But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.” (Daniel 7:26).

“And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming” (2 Thessalonians 2:8).

Is secularism with all the atheism, humanism and rationalism really an out of control problem? Or is secularism being used by God as a judgment on Rome?

Consider that since 1801 the Papacy and the secular powers (France and now the EU) have been in alliance with each other. Yet, the secular part of the alliance between Romanism and Secularism has been smiting Romanism in regards to all the child abuse perpetrated by Roman Catholics.

As strange as it may seem to some, in the providence of God, he has called up people to fulfil the role in exposing, weakening and consuming the Romanist institution. Such judgment also affects those Protestants who have allied themselves with Romanism, and doubtless vile people have committed their abhorrent acts among them also.

If Romanism is going down, that does not mean that secularism and all the worst of humanistic atheism is going to prevail. It cannot prevail.

“The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.” (Psalm 14:1).

Without any moral limitations those who are anti-religious will find that they will eventually be exposed to the world as completely corrupt.

“Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.” (2 Timothy 3:8, 9).

The good news is that the Gospel wins.

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Anyway; I\'ve been checking up and I\'m a little confused between &#954;&#949;&#967;&#945;&#961;&#953;&#964;&#969;&#956;&#941;&#957;&#951; and kecharit&#333;mén&#275;; I assume they are the same word but written in _________?
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Totally agree; I was just curious what they were talking about.
I did find out that one is the phonetic transliteration of the Greek; so that\'s behind me now.
Thanks');
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THE SEED

The main Kingdom of God principle is the concept and reality that a seed grows into a great thing.

“Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.” (Matthew 13:31, 32).

The seed of the Gospel came by the seed, Jesus Christ, coming. This powerful principle has exploded into huge life and massive growth potential. The Gospel has advanced around the globe.

“For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.” (Romans 8:29).

“But the word of God grew and multiplied.” (Acts 12:24).

Whatever is required to be done before the return of the Lord needs to be done, so what we are doing today is a seed toward that goal. What we say and do, the prayers we make, the gifts we give, until there is a large tree, that very birds can come and live there.

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TBS EMPLOYEE ATTACKS THE PERFECTION OF THE KJB

This week, an employee of the Trinitarian Bible Society — which provides copies of the KJB alone as the English Bible — wrote to me, making this attack on the King James Bible:

“There are many examples where the English does not convey the precise meaning of the Hebrew and Greek. ... consider Ps. 1:1, 2. ... The original, immediately inspired Hebrew presents the contrast in verse 2 more strikingly by saying \'but in the law of the LORD *is* his delight\'. The repetition of \'in\' in the first verse is contrasted with the \'in\' in the second which begins the verse. Thus it is not \'*in* the counsel of the ungodly\' nor \'*in* the way of sinners\' nor \'*in* the seat of the scornful\' but \'*in* the Law of the LORD\'. This contrast is not so clearly seen in the English which begins the second verse \'But his delight is in the law of the LORD\', thus inverting the ordering of the Hebrew words. No, this does not affect any doctrine, but the Hebrew has a nuance and a force that the English does not have.”

Notice that by attempting to go to the Hebrew in the present, and read into the past what the Psalmist really meant requires giving a translation different to that which the KJB men made in English back in 1611.

Also, by doing this, this man has violated the principles of his own Bible Society which expressly stated that the King James Bible should be promoted.

There are two ways in which doctrine is affected by this:

1. By changing ever so subtly Psalm 1 and other passages, slight variations and meaning differences are introduced.

2. By making any change the words of the KJB, there is a violation of the principle of the perfection of God’s providence in supplying His exact Word to us in English, “Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.” (2 Thess. 2:15).

This person then went on to say, “So every nuance of that Word should be treasured by us and hence we should have a particular love and veneration for the original Hebrew and Greek which contains all those nuances intended by the Holy Ghost. Because the English does not convey every nuance of the Hebrew and Greek does not mean that the English cannot be used in preaching and evangelism, but the \'final authority\' and the \'gold standard\' must be, for every right thinking Christian, the immediately inspired, God-breathed Hebrew and Greek.”

This may be easily objected to because we do not have perfect copies of the Hebrew and Greek today, and we do not have the autographs, and therefore we do not have the “the immediately inspired, God-breathed Hebrew and Greek”. Where does the Bible say anything about this “breathed” originals anyway? Surely, that is a corruption of the Bible word “inspiration”.

The truth is that we have God\'s Word in English today for reaching many nations. There is nothing missing in English, but everything is there for man\'s full obedience  (see Matthew 28:19, 20 and Romans 16:26). There is nothing &quot;extra&quot; in the originals that has been &quot;lost&quot; in English!

I pray that the Trinitarian Bible Society awake from this wrong view in its midst and not defer to the trend of “Jesuitism”. I also desire that they should go back to printing the PCE.

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Notice that God\'s sword - &quot;the sword of the Spirit&quot; (see Ephesians 6:17) - is &quot;[b:110b793845]sharper [/b:110b793845][more exact, better in quality] than any&quot; other sword, including that of the antichrist spirit. &quot;And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.&quot; (Revelation 6:4). The &quot;great sword&quot; of the final antichrist is based on the historical antichrist line, which includes that of the popes who have backed the modern versions with their corrupted manuscripts.

&quot;He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.&quot; (Revelation 2:29).');
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A MODERNIST ATTACK ON THE KJB FAILS

A certain fellow on youtube has commented several times that he thinks the King James Bible is wrong to have the word “Lucifer”. “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” (Isaiah 14:12).

The problem is that people who reject “Lucifer” will no doubt insist that one of the titles for Jesus be used instead. By doing this, they would be giving the attributes of Jesus to Satan.

In order to make their argument, they say “go to the Hebrew”. The fact is that the Hebrew has already been properly translated into English, and “Lucifer” is the correct translation.

They say, “But ‘Lucifer’ is a Latin word”. But actually “Lucifer” is an English word with an English meaning being used in the English Bible.

That word, like plenty of others in English, does derive or come over from Latin. We have all kinds of words from Latin, from “modus operandi” to “sanctification”. Just because a word came from Latin does not make it wrong.

They might say, “But you are using the word from Jerome’s Latin Vulgate!” This is a fallacious argument:

1. Catholics spoke Latin.
2. Lucifer is a Latin word.
3. Therefore using the word “Lucifer” is a Catholic doctrine.

When in fact Lucifer is the proper translation into English, beside the fact that plenty of non-Catholics spoke and used Latin.

So, anyone persisting in arguing against the soundness of this really is heading toward a foolish category, “a fool\'s voice is known by multitude of words.” (Ecclesiastes 5:3b).

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&quot;And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.&quot; (Acts 3:16)

&quot;Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [i:816439f347]even [/i:816439f347]by him doth this man stand here before you whole.&quot; (Acts 4:10)

The Name of the Lord Jesus Christ has been given to believers to use. It is a believer\'s right to use this Name. The Name of the Lord Jesus Christ is powerful, and breaks the power of Satan in a person\'s life. I can recommend a sermon I listened to recently preached by Rev Kenneth E Hagin in 1986 called &quot;Understanding the Name of Jesus&quot;. It is available on YouTube. It will bless you and help you to walk in faith and victory using the Name of Jesus in your life. Christ has given us His Name as a spiritual weapon and the onus is on believers to use it the way He has intended us to, praise God.');
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MODERN VERSIONS ARE BASED ON HUMANISM

The argument for the authenticity of the Scripture is from the Scripture itself. The argument for its truth, its inspiration and so on is the very scriptures. Yet, when it comes to versions and translations, many Christians do not use a Biblical method, but have accepted the words of men.

Modern versions are based on the principles of Higher Criticism. Higher criticism is based on the following assumptions:
(1) that reality is uniform and universal,
(2) that reality is accessible to human reason and investigation,
(3) that all events historical and natural are interconnected and comparable to analogy, and
(4) that humanity’s contemporary experience of reality can provide objective criteria to what could or could not have happened in past events.

Notice that this is a sight-based philosophy. “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.” (2 Peter 3:3, 4).

Those people who see only errors in copies of the Bible, that is, imperfect versions and translations, cannot accept the idea that there is a perfect Bible. They think it is impossible to translate perfectly.

The problem is that there are many good Christians deceived who do not understand about the perfection of the King James Bible. There are also enemies who scoff because their commitment to their own lusts is greater than love of the light, even if it means upholding humanistic philosophy.

“Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.” (Isaiah 28:22).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2506', 'fe2f6d74b6', 'Rufuting Rick Norris', '&quot;Straining at gnats&quot;, a refutation of Rick Norris\' position.

www.bibleprotector.com/norris.pdf');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2507', '2e770ae837', 'The Protector, 12 May 2013', '[img:2e770ae837]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:2e770ae837]

[color=red:2e770ae837]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:2e770ae837]

WELCOME! [i:2e770ae837]The Protector[/i:2e770ae837] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:2e770ae837][color=darkblue:2e770ae837]EDITORIAL[/color:2e770ae837][/size:2e770ae837]

REFUTING RICK NORRIS

Rick Norris is an ardent anti-King James Bible only writer whose focus is on making the King James Bible look as if it is imperfect. In order to do this, he looks for any thing, no matter how small, which is why I have entitled the refutation “Straining at gnats”. You can read all about it here: www.bibleprotector.com/norris.pdf

Norris claims that different printings of the KJB are inconsistent, and he points to how “doubletongued” has been printed as “double tongued” or “double-tongued”, and the same with “double minded”, that it has been “doubleminded” and “double-minded”. The solution is that we have a proper line of editing of the KJB which comes from the 1769 Edition and into the Pure Cambridge Edition today.

Here’s my explanation of how the usages are right today:

When words are compound, they are a different word, that is, “doubletongued”, which would therefore not be the same as “double tongued”, two words. And so, “double minded” are two words, with two meanings, placed together in a sentence to make a meaning. Conceptually, it appears that “doubletongued” means division, as in, a forked tongue. Whereas, to double anything is multiplication, to have two, so, “double minded” means two minds.

God wants us to know His words — “Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?” (Proverbs 22:20, 21).

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[color=red:d04825c9a6]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:d04825c9a6]

WELCOME! [i:d04825c9a6]The Protector[/i:d04825c9a6] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:d04825c9a6][color=darkblue:d04825c9a6]EDITORIAL[/color:d04825c9a6][/size:d04825c9a6]

THE TRINITARIAN BIBLE SOCIETY DECLARES WAR ON ALL NORMAL EDITIONS OF THE KING JAMES BIBLE

All normal editions of the King James Bible — which come from the 1769 Edition as edited by Blayney — are going to be changed by the Trinitarian Bible Society.

According to their Quarterly Magazine #603 for April to June 2013, they disagree with the use of the lower case “s” on the word “spirit” at verses like Numbers 11:29, Ezekiel 43:5, Isaiah 59:21 and 1 Corinthians 2:12.

They say, “The capitalisation or non-capitalisation of the first letter of ‘spirit’ is due to the interpretative choice of the translator or subsequent editors and publishers of the text. If it was felt that the word referred to the Holy Spirit then the first letter would be capitalised. If not, then it would remain in lower case. However, this rule was not always consistently carried out, so that the ‘s’ is not in every case capitalised even when the reference is clearly to the Holy Spirit. This is seen today in the inconsistency of capitalisation between editions of the AV—even between those published by the same organisation.” They then note that “The Society is working towards correcting this by using a standard text for all of our own settings of the AV.”

They are assuming that there are no good reasons why the word “spirit” (in lower case) has been printed in a number of verses in all our London, Oxford, Cambridge printed Bibles! Even Thomas Nelson printed Bibles agree with the following list. See a few examples:

Genesis 6:3, Exodus 28:3, 31:3, 35:31, Numbers 11:29, Numbers 24:2, 27:18, Nehemiah 9:20, 30, Job 26:13, 27:3, Psalm 51:11, 12, 104:30, 106:33, 139:7, Psalm 143:10, Proverbs 1:23, Isaiah 4:4, 11:2, 34:16, 40:7, 42:1, 44:3, 59:21, Ezekiel 36:27, 37:1, 27:14, 39:29, Joel 2:28, 29, Micah 2:7, 3:8, Zechariah 4:6, 7:12, John 4:23, 6:63, 1 Corinthians 2:12, 2 Corinthians 3:6, 8, 12:18, Philippians 1:27, 3:3, 1 Peter 4:6, 14, 1 John 4:6 and other verses.

As should be discerned, the word “spirit” is rightly used lower case on various occasions. Many of these are under threat because TBS “is working towards correcting this by using a standard text for all of our own settings of the AV”!

What they are implying is that everyone was using “inconsistent” Bibles. Yes, they are saying that our KJB has never been consistent. This is a terrible action for them to undertake, who are not qualified to edit, change or judge what should or should not be made into a capital letter.

Where is the authority derived from, whereby they think that they can foist onto their market newly altered King James Bibles?

“Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.” (Proverbs 22:28).

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Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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All normal editions of the King James Bible — which come from the 1769 Edition as edited by Blayney — are going to be changed by the Trinitarian Bible Society.

According to their Quarterly Magazine #603 for April to June 2013, they disagree with the use of the lower case “s” on the word “spirit” at verses like Numbers 11:29, Ezekiel 43:5, Isaiah 59:21 and 1 Corinthians 2:12.

They say, “The capitalisation or non-capitalisation of the first letter of ‘spirit’ is due to the interpretative choice of the translator or subsequent editors and publishers of the text. If it was felt that the word referred to the Holy Spirit then the first letter would be capitalised. If not, then it would remain in lower case. However, this rule was not always consistently carried out, so that the ‘s’ is not in every case capitalised even when the reference is clearly to the Holy Spirit. This is seen today in the inconsistency of capitalisation between editions of the AV—even between those published by the same organisation.” They then note that “The Society is working towards correcting this by using a standard text for all of our own settings of the AV.”

They are assuming that there are no good reasons why the word “spirit” (in lower case) has been printed in a number of verses in all our London, Oxford, Cambridge printed KJBs! Even Thomas Nelson printed KJBs agree with the following list. See a few examples:

Genesis 6:3, Exodus 28:3, 31:3, 35:31, Numbers 11:29, Numbers 24:2, 27:18, Nehemiah 9:20, 30, Job 26:13, 27:3, Psalm 51:11, 12, 104:30, 106:33, 139:7, Psalm 143:10, Proverbs 1:23, Isaiah 4:4, 11:2, 34:16, 40:7, 42:1, 44:3, 59:21, Ezekiel 36:27, 37:1, 27:14, 39:29, Joel 2:28, 29, Micah 2:7, 3:8, Zechariah 4:6, 7:12, John 4:23, 6:63, 1 Corinthians 2:12, 2 Corinthians 3:6, 8, 12:18, Philippians 1:27, 3:3, 1 Peter 4:6, 14, 1 John 4:6 and other verses.

As should be discerned, the word “spirit” is rightly used lower case on various occasions. Many of these are under threat because TBS “is working towards correcting this by using a standard text for all of our own settings of the AV”!

What they are implying is that everyone is using “inconsistent” Bibles. Yes, they are saying that our KJB has never been consistent. This is a terrible action for them to undertake, who are not qualified to edit, change or judge what should or should not be made into a capital letter.

Where is the authority derived from, whereby they think that they can foist onto their market newly altered King James Bibles?

“Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.” (Proverbs 22:28).');
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2511', '55401edc2a', 'TBS declares war on the PCE it used to publish', 'The Trinitarian Bible Society used to publish the PCE. In their Quarterly Magazine for April to June 2013, #603, they reveal that

&quot;the editorial team have received a number of letters and phone calls in recent years: the so-called Pure Cambridge Edition of the Authorised (King James) Version.&quot;

and that people

&quot;have even gone so far as to reject copies of the Authorised Version published by the Society for not having certain words capitalised in particular verses&quot;.

In their misguided attack on having a proper, historical standard edition based on the received tradition, they have rejected the very edition they used to publish.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2512', 'ab6044eaff', 'The Protector, 26 May 2013', '[img:ab6044eaff]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:ab6044eaff]

[color=red:ab6044eaff]”Remember the former things of old” (Isaiah 46:9a).[/color:ab6044eaff]

WELCOME! [i:ab6044eaff]The Protector[/i:ab6044eaff] is a free online weekly electronic periodical about the King James Bible, the true Church, the English language, Australia and Oceania, increasing communications and the harvest of Church Restitution. Our aim is to promote the truth personally, nationally and culturally.

[size=18:ab6044eaff][color=darkblue:ab6044eaff]EDITORIAL[/color:ab6044eaff][/size:ab6044eaff]

THE HARVEST — PART ONE

“Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few; Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.” (Matthew 9:37, 38).

The harvest has several aspects. First, Jesus is identifying a harvest of souls, that is, people to be converted into the Kingdom of God.

This, however, is not just an automatic thing. This means that knowledge and wisdom are important. There must come a time when there is a harvest of knowledge, so that God’s people are able to effectively harvest souls.

The third aspect is that there is a right time. Harvests are ready in time. Therefore, there must be a right season for harvest.

There is an overruling spiritual law: “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” (Galatians 6:7–9).

Spiritual activities bring about good results. The good results are not just “in the spirit”, but in the material world. This includes prosperity and rewards now in this time.

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Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
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Editor: Matthew Verschuur. Contact. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/contact.htm[/url]');
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This dissertation gives a history of the English Bible, and shows how God, by divine providence, brought about a purified text that is perfect to the jot and tittle, prepared for the last days Christian restitution and evangelisation of the world. Contains extensive research and many new insights. Any zealous student of the Bible must read it!

[url]http://www.bibleprotector.com/GUIDE_TO_PCE.pdf[/url]
http://www.bibleprotector.com/GUIDE_TO_PCE.pdf
PDF (2.12 MB).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2514', 'da1258ef73', 'The Protector, 2 June 2013', '[img:da1258ef73]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:da1258ef73]

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[size=18:da1258ef73][color=darkblue:da1258ef73]EDITORIAL[/color:da1258ef73][/size:da1258ef73]

THE HARVEST — PART TWO

Jesus asked the disciples, “Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.” (John 4:35).

The harvest He was referring to cannot be the natural harvest, since in four months, the fields would be fully ripe. Instead he was speaking of a spiritual harvest. There are three areas of reaping:

1. Knowledge — the increase of Christian doctrine.
2. Souls — the increase of people converted the faith.
3. Prosperity — the increase of finances in the church and with the people of God.

“And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.” (John 4:36).

The area is convered by the spiritual law of sowing and reaping: “And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth. I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours.” (John 4:37, 38).

A lot of seeds have been sown by Christians, congregations and the Church over the centuries, and all of it needs to be reaped. We should expect a turnaround for this very purpose.

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Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
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The Purity Films page. [url]www.bibleprotector.com/purityfilms.htm[/url]

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[size=18:a9b90befa1][color=darkblue:a9b90befa1]EDITORIAL[/color:a9b90befa1][/size:a9b90befa1]

THE HARVEST — PART THREE

“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.” (Galatians 6:7).

When the Scripture says God is not mocked, it means that it is an irrevocable spiritual law, something which cannot be broken. In this case, what natural seed a man sows, that is what he is going to reap.

A man can plant into the ground seeds in the winter time, but in summer, he will have his fruits.

“For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.” (Galatians 6:8).

The agricultural image of sowing and reaping translates into what we give and do in our lives. If we pray, do good, give to the ministry, we shall certainly reap. I fully expect that what people sow into my ministry that they will reap many fold more back in their own lives.

“And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” (Galatians 6:9).

This verse is full of truths. First, that it can require effort to sow and give. But we must not neglect doing well, because there comes a due time, when there will be a harvest. Yes, it is true, time is a factor. It takes time. But if we are patient, if we do not faint, then we shall reap.

And reaping is something of great joy!

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Fifth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
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Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
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[size=18:fdc2202d3c][color=darkblue:fdc2202d3c]EDITORIAL[/color:fdc2202d3c][/size:fdc2202d3c]

ANOTHER ATTACK ON THE KJB

In 1611, and over the years, various words have appeared in italics in the King James Bible. These words remain in italics today.

Italics are used to convey information about the wording in the original languages. This has nothing to do with meaning, as it is merely a mechanism of showing the state of the text.

It was argued very successfully in the 1830s by Oxford and Cambridge that the italics should remain.

This was in line with the Scripture precedent, “Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.” (Proverbs 22:28).

It is therefore strange that a certain Bible society in Britain, which specifically prints the King James Bible as its preferred English translation, has made a decision to change italics in 1 John 2:23. This unauthorised change flies in the face of over 400 years of KJB tradition, which has rightly had those words in italics (or, a different typeface).

It appears that such accusations being made against our King James Bible stem from not accepting what Divine Providence has actually supplied, but instead makes a novel, presumptuous judgment based on fallible human reasoning of what a “Greek” text supposedly states.

And for those who follow the Westminster Confession, even it says, “[the scriptures] are to be translated into the vulgar language of every nation unto which they come, that the Word of God dwelling plentifully in all, they may worship him in an acceptable manner, and, through patience and comfort of the Scriptures, may have hope.”

The newfangled changes are dangerous, “Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?” (1 Corinthians 5:6). Once it begins, those people will then be changing all kinds of things in our King James Bible, just like what Nick Sayers is doing in making a new Textus Receptus translation, because he thinks God is not able to communicate to us properly with a Bible from 1611.

Edward Hills said, “It is possible, if the Lord tarry that in the future the English language will change so much that a new English translation of the Bible will become absolutely necessary. But in that case any version which we prepare today would be equally antiquated. Hence this is a matter which we must leave to God, who alone knows what is in store for us. For the present, however, and the foreseeable future no new translation is needed to take the place of the King James Version.”

Clearly, the time is not now to make even one jot of a change in the KJB, nor shall it be required in the future.

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[size=18:a914ce8f4d][color=darkblue:a914ce8f4d]EDITORIAL[/color:a914ce8f4d][/size:a914ce8f4d]

REAL SOLUTIONS

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:28).

In Christ, there is no division between nationalities, as in, that all mankind sinned in Adam, and all mankind can be saved in Christ. On this basis, racism is entirely wrong.

In Christ there is no bond or free, so natural “solutions” are not the real solutions. That means that Communism failed those who had faith in it.

And most especially, there is neither male nor female. Therefore, those who are involved in making unjust divisions and sowing discord are doing something quite apart from the Gospel. The Gospel brings fellowship, not distrust.

Socialism is not the right way. What is the right way is to turn back to the traditional values and civic virtue of Protestant society. Christianity itself is the best form of medicine in the face of cultural decay: “Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.” (Matthew 5:13).

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[size=18:b5b9f0c3b2][color=darkblue:b5b9f0c3b2]EDITORIAL[/color:b5b9f0c3b2][/size:b5b9f0c3b2]

GOD’S PROVISION VERSUS UNBELIEF

It is very obvious that there is a naturalistic view that makes the Bible into a natural book. How did we get the Bible? They describe it by natural means. Men wrote it, men copied it, we have it. This view really does not need God, and really denies that the Bible is the Word of God.

“The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.” (Psalm 14:1).

The problem we see is that Christian men, i.e. the modern scholars and theologians, have added man’s approach to how they look at the Bible. They have inserted into their view of the Bible human opinions about its years of corruptions and that you lose information when you translate. They then set themselves up as wise, and claim by learning old languages and going to the old manuscripts that they can work out what really is the Scripture, and what it really means.

And what does this lead to? Many new modern versions, all different to each other, contradicting each other and creating greater confusion.

Today, there are plenty of good Christians who use modern versions. Do they realise that the basis of the method by which modern versions are made is blatant unbelief?

“But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith” (Romans 16:26).

The Scripture has come forth in the King James Bible, with its fruits of missionary endeavour and results of proper doctrines and holy obedience. The fruits of modern versions are not the same as that.

Here is a long talk about the subject:
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[size=18:38266ba05c][color=darkblue:38266ba05c]EDITORIAL[/color:38266ba05c][/size:38266ba05c]

CALL TO ALL CREATIONISTS

Creation Evangelist, Ken Ham, has said, “Take one look around our world. A need for a new Reformation is evident, both for our culture and for the Church. We must return to the Bible as our absolute authority.” Again, “It’s time for a new Reformation in the Church — to call the Church back to the authority of the Word of God, beginning in Genesis”.

It is all well to talk about the authority of Scripture, and turning back to the first verse. But there is a big problem: there is a denial of the absolute authority of the words of God.

Creationists are familiar with this verse: “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.” (Romans 1:25).

The fact is that the truth of God has been turned to a lie in Genesis 1:1 and 2 by the “new” King James Version. The Bible says, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” That’s “heaven”, not “heavens”. In Genesis 1:2 it is worse, instead of saying, “And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” The NJKV says, “And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.” There’s a big difference between moving and hovering.

“For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.” (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Because of this, the creationists need to come back to the standard Henry Morris upheld, the King James Bible. You can also watch this presentation on the subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY_nn5OlFrk

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[size=18:60d1d89d04][color=darkblue:60d1d89d04]EDITORIAL[/color:60d1d89d04][/size:60d1d89d04]

THE ATTACK ON THE KJB BEGINS AT GENESIS 1:1

Recently, I have put out a call to creationists regarding their use of modern versions in place of the KJB in Genesis 1.

One creation scientist wrote me an email stating, “Your view of the KJV on Genesis 1 is incorrect. The Hebrew word for ‘heavens’ is plural, so the KJV is incorrect to use the singular. No expert in Hebrew has any other view on this matter.”

Creationist Teno Groppi has said that the use of the word “heaven” in the KJB is a majestic plural, that is, just how a monarch might refer to themselves as “we”.

It is also possible to see the encompassing of everything in heaven in the word “heaven”, i.e. made as a fully functioning place, whereas the Earth was made in stages over 6 days, and began out as formless, void and dark.

What is laughable is that someone would say that no expert of Hebrew has any other view on this matter.

Really? What about the approx. 54 experts who made the KJB, and translated: “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” (Genesis 1:1, 2).

What about the experts who made the Wycliffe Version, the Tyndale Version, the Geneva Version and the Bishops’ Version? What about Henry M. Morris? I guess none of these are “expert in Hebrew” to realise that “heaven” is wrong.

What this shows is that the false title of being an “expert in Hebrew” is really just an excuse to reject what the KJB says.

“Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron” (1 Tim. 4:2).

“Who changed the truth of God into a lie” (Rom. 1:25a).

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This came from CARM. 

Rick Norris has a post pointing out that the 1813 edition lauded by Peter Ruckman has some errors. Here you can see how Rick Norris has (inadvertently) helped many to understand the PCE (Pure Cambridge Edition) excellence.

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    Hi,

    Here you can see how Rick has helped many to understand the PCE (Pure Cambridge Edition) view.

&gt;   The 1813 KJV still had the printing error &quot;Zithri&quot; at Exodus 6:21 that was introduced in the 1769 Oxford.

    Exodus 6:21 (PCE)
    And the sons of Izhar; Korah, and Nepheg, and Zichri.

&gt;    The 1813 KJV still had &quot;thy progenitors&quot; at Genesis 49:26 that was introduced in the 1769 Oxford.

     Genesis 49:26
     The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.

&gt;  The 1813 KJV still had &quot;travel&quot; at Numbers 20:14 instead of &quot;travail.&quot;
  
   Numbers 20:14
    And Moses sent messengers from Kadesh unto the king of Edom,
    Thus saith thy brother Israel, Thou knowest all the travail that hath befallen us:

&gt;    The 1813 KJV still had &quot;the widow\'s&quot; at Deuteronomy 24:17 instead of &quot;a widow\'s.&quot;
  
  Deuteronomy 24:17 Thou shalt not pervert the judgment of the stranger,
    nor of the fatherless; nor take a widow\'s raiment to pledge:

&gt;    The 1813 KJV still had &quot;Beer-sheba, Sheba&quot; at Joshua 19:2 in agreement with the 1769 instead of &quot;Beer-sheba, or Sheba.&quot;
  
    Joshua 19:2
    And they had in their inheritance Beersheba, or Sheba, and Moladah,

&gt;   The 1813 KJV still had &quot;in a straight&quot; at 1 Samuel 13:6 in agreement with the 1769 instead of &quot;in a strait.&quot;
  
    1 Samuel 13:6
    When the men of Israel saw that they were in a strait, (for the people were distressed,)
    then the people did hide themselves in caves, and in thickets, and in rocks, and in high places, and in pits.

&gt;   The 1813 KJV still had &quot;Shimei&quot; at 1 Chronicles 6:30 in agreement with the 1769 instead of &quot;Shimea.&quot;
  
    1 Chronicles 6:30
    Shimea his son, Haggiah his son, Asaiah his son.

&gt;   The 1813 KJV still had &quot;whom God alone&quot; at 1 Chronicles 29:1 in agreement with the 1769 instead of &quot;whom alone God.&quot;
  
    1 Chronicles 29:1
    Furthermore David the king said unto all the congregation,
    Solomon my son, whom alone God hath chosen,
    is yet young and tender, and the work is great:
    for the palace is not for man, but for the LORD God.

&gt;    The 1813 KJV still had &quot;on the pillars&quot; at 2 Chronicles 4:12 in agreement with the 1769 instead of &quot;on the top of the pillars.&quot;
  
    2 Chronicles 4:12
    To wit, the two pillars, and the pommels,
    and the chapiters which were on the top of the two pillars,
    and the two wreaths to cover the two pommels of the chapiters
    which were on the top of the pillars;

&gt;   The 1813 KJV still had &quot;thy companions&quot; at Job 41:6 in agreement with the 1769 instead of &quot;the companions.&quot;
  
    Job 41:6
    Shall the companions make a banquet of him?
    shall they part him among the merchants?

&gt;    The 1813 KJV still had &quot;unto me&quot; at Psalm 18:47 in agreement with the 1769 instead of &quot;under me.&quot;
  
    Psalms 18:47
    It is God that avengeth me,
    and subdueth the people under me.

&gt;  The 1813 KJV still had &quot;my foot&quot; at Psalm 31:8 in agreement with the 1769 instead of &quot;my feet.&quot;
  
    Psalms 31:8
    And hast not shut me up into the hand of the enemy:
    thou hast set my feet in a large room.

&gt;   The 1813 KJV still had &quot;feared&quot; at Psalm 60:4 in agreement with the 1769 instead of &quot;fear.&quot;
  
    Psalms 60:4
    Thou hast given a banner to them that fear thee,
    that it may be displayed because of the truth. Selah.

&gt;    The 1813 KJV still had &quot;in the presence&quot; at Psalm 68:2 in agreement with the 1769 instead of &quot;at the presence.&quot;
   
    Psalms 68:2
    As smoke is driven away, so drive them away:
    as wax melteth before the fire,
    so let the wicked perish at the presence of God.

&gt;  The 1813 KJV still had &quot;part&quot; at Psalm 78:66 in agreement with the 1769 instead of &quot;parts.&quot;
  
    Psalms 78:66
    And he smote his enemies in the hinder parts:
    he put them to a perpetual reproach.

    Thanks, Rick! It is as if you design your research to show the superiority and excellence, majesty and accuracy of the PCE.

    Granted, these refinements were exceedingly minor, anyway is good to know that my PCE hits every one of the verse perfection needs above, 15 out of 15 (granted, there is a secondary hyphen issue in one).

    One could say it is providential that such a fine, refined edition could be developed in the AV textline, like a Received Text.

    Yours in Jesus,
    Steven Avery');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2522', 'ea33f051fa', '', 'Norris is really going backwards. That Ruckman quote is from the 1980s.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2523', 'b73167da75', '', 'It is also interesting to note that two characters on CARM bring up the false accusation that I created or invented the PCE, when in reality, there are PCEs from the 1920s, which clearly I cannot have made or concocted.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2524', 'bfddff0f07', 'My KJV Testimony', 'Since I just joined this forum today, I figured I should share my testimony so that the people on this forum could get to know me a little better. My name is Tony, I\'m under a one year preaching license at this moment, but anyway on to my KJV testimony. Before I really found out about the Bible version issue, I would use the KJV because my Grandpa did, but I also used a NLT. One day, while reading through the NLT, I noticed that the KJV and the NLT did NOT read the same. This made me curious, so I decided to google these differences. I then found a site that was showing all the differences and showing how modern versions water down the Deity of Jesus Christ, and omitting a lot of important things that Jesus said in the Gospels etc. I then found King James Bible believing people on YouTube that really helped &quot;Seal the deal&quot; with me on the Bible Version Issue. Men like Will Kinney, Peter Ruckman, Sam Gipp, Matthew Verschuur and Bryan Denlinger really helped me decide not only to put my faith in God\'s perfect word the King James Bible, but also helped me to learn how to defend it, which led me to do my own research, and I have found that it is a FACT that the King James Bible is the perfect word of God for the English speaking people. I\'m astonished that this is still an issue among modern Christians. I\'m happy that God allowed me to find out about his perfect word, because I wouldn\'t want to be the hypocrite that stands behind the pulpit saying &quot;the word of God says...&quot; but in my mind not believing that it is perfect! Thank God for the KJV! God bless!');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2525', '5638a62977', '', 'GREETINGS from another who believes in the PCE bible and APPRECIATES all that Bible Protector does to protect and preserve it.  

 I don\'t have one but do have a bible that is as close to PCE as any bible currently available that I know of. It\'s a LCBP #110D3B. I bought mine in August of 2011 and have been doing PCE comparison tests on it every time I come across one. To date,including the 15 on this thread,it has passed 569 tests and failed one.  1 John 5:8  

 That aside,I believe I may have found an error in the above test of Joshua 19:2.  According to the PCE I\'ve got stored in my favorites it should read: Joshua 19:2 &quot;And they had in their inheritance Beer-sheba, or Sheba, and Moladah,&quot;
  http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/thebible.htm');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2526', '4c9ecc987f', '', 'That\'s good Tony, nice to meet you.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2527', '23b7f9a0e8', 'The Protector, 21 July 2013', '[img:23b7f9a0e8]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:23b7f9a0e8]

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FOOLISH ATTACKS ON THOSE WHO UPHOLD THE KJB

There are some foolish people around who take delight in mocking at and scoffing about the King James Bible.

This week, one of them stated that we should all turn back to the truly authorized edition of the Bible of 1611, with Apocrypha and made his plea using the spelling of 1611.

I answered with four points:

1. The Scripture is true, the Apocrypha is not Scripture.

2. The King James Bible is true today, as has been properly edited in regards to the standardisation of spelling and orthography.

3. Anyone attempting to use Jacobean era spelling forms or style in their normal communication appears to be attempting to do something foolish. No one in their normal speaking and writing actually speaks according to the KJB (not in 1611 and not today) unless we are actually quoting the KJB. The KJB is in Biblical English. And we have it properly.

4. Anyone who thinks that the version, translation etc. we have today is not the same as 1611, or that it is not Authorized right now in our present, proper edition is clearly a mocker whose arguments are not based on what the to be KJB ONLY actually means, for we stand for the version and translation of 1611, not printing errors of 1611. Therefore, anyone who is pretending to uphold otherwise is evidently a fool.

“But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.” (Jude verses 17 and 18).

They are assuming that if we uphold the King James Bible, that we are stuck with the 1611 Edition (which has printing mistakes). In reality, we uphold that the same King James Bible is being printed today, without printing mistakes.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2528', '7671ec9ae4', 'LCBP, can we assist in understanding 1 John 5:8 spirit ?', 'Hi,

The error on 1 John 5:8 is not real complicated.  It is understandable that if verse 7 was missing, there might be a desire to interpret verse 8 as the &quot;Holy Spirit&quot; since the text without the heavenly witnesses is so awkward. 

(And then there can be a reactionary thinking element from those with the pure Bible - &quot;the modern versions capitalize spirit, how can we have a lesser sense of majesty or deity&quot;.) 

So they might miss the more traditional understandings like the spirit of Jesus:

Luke 23:46 
And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, 
he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit:
and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Or other traditional understandings that would not support the capitalization.  Since, without verse 7, under the modernist type thinking, you want the personalized (Holy) Spirit maximized. 

Note, though, that in the pure Bible, we have &quot;the Holy Ghost&quot; in verse 7, and only &quot;the spirit&quot; in verse 8, the lack of the adjective[i:7671ec9ae4] Holy[/i:7671ec9ae4] making the distinction even clearer. 

Now, I do not expect that the big publishers would properly consider the doctrinal understandings.  However with LCBP, and a truly evangelical and Bible-believing approach, there is more of a possibility.  

So maybe the &quot;declares war&quot; approach can be toned down a smidgen, and an attempt be increased to involve them in discussion  (e.g. pointing them to our discussions on the topic here, or a special mini-paper dedicated to the topic.)  Remember, for some of us it even took a little time and study to understand the verse 7 and 8 relationship.

Yours in Jesus,
Steven Avery');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2529', '612454cda9', '', 'Sadly, they have missed the point entirely. The fact is that normal KJBs had &quot;spirit&quot; lower case for years. They think there is something Pentecostal about it and so they seem to want nothing to do with it. (The issue has absolutely nothing to do with it.)

But then, enemies of the KJB at a certain apologetic debate forum, claim that I am somehow a translator and inventor of it. How can I be? The KJB was translated in 1611, long before I was born. And as for editing, that was the work of the University Presses. Again, long before I was born.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2530', '41f1633932', 'Reasons for using the KJB alone', 'The following is a list of verses, when taken together, which point to the King James Bible, to make the case that only one Bible should now be used.

1. It is consistent with the nature of God that He should have His Church with exact knowledge of His words (e.g. Deuteronomy 32:4, Psalm 25:8, Matthew 16:18, John 8:32, 2 Corinthians 4:6).

2. It follows that if God inspired infallible and inerrant words, that is, got them in the Earth, that He would also preserve them, and not allow them to be lost in time, but faithfully transmitted into the future (e.g. Psalm 12, Proverbs 30:1–6, Isaiah 55:9–11, Matthew 7:24–27).

3. The Holy Ghost has the ministry of leading people to the truth, since His Word is truth (see John 17:17), it is a role for the Holy Ghost to bring people to have, acknowledge and possess His true Word (e.g. John 8:32; 14:17; 16:13, 1 John 2:20).

4. The same words that are in the Bible are supposed to be accessible and present, or else the commandants and statements of Scripture would be lies, i.e. you cannot obey merely a 98% reliable commandment (e.g. Matthew 4:4, Luke 4:4, John 12:48, Ephesians 2:17, 1 Peter 1:23).

5. God has given the exact Word to be sought, and to give knowledge, and is powerful (e.g. Psalm 68:11, Proverbs 22:20, 21, Isaiah 34:16, 2 Timothy 3:16, 17).

6. The Church has the Word, and it is supposed to go forth by the great commission for the evangelisation to the nations (e.g. Matthew 28:19, 20, Acts 28:28, Romans 16:26, 1 Timothy 3:15).

7. The Word by the Gospel is reaching all nations properly (e.g. Mark 13:10, Acts 1:8, Romans 10:18, Colossians 1:5, 6).

8. The Word by the Gospel is supposed to bring fruit because of the law of sowing and reaping, and by its outworking (e.g. Mark 4:13–20, John 4:34–38, John 15:7, 8, 1 Corinthians 3:7).

9. The Word of God is supposed to be a sword and powerful, therefore it must be of an exact, refined nature, sharp and ready (e.g. Ephesians 6:18, Hebrews 4:12, Revelation 1:16; 19:15).

10. The Word of God is specifically resisted (Isaiah 6:10, Amos 8:11, 12, Matthew 13:15, John 12:40, Acts 28:27).

11. The idea of varying or differing modern versions is confusion and double minded (e.g. Isaiah 8:20, 1 Corinthians 14:33, 2 Corinthians 1:18, James 1:8).

12. Adding and taking away from Word, like what is done by the rational exercise of modern textual criticism, is forbidden (e.g. Deuteronomy 4:2; 12:32, 2 Corinthians 2:17, Revelation 22:18, 19).

13. The Word of God is to be lifted up and praised (e.g. Psalm 56:4, 10, Psalm 119:72, 127, 140, Acts 13:46–48).

14. The Word of God to fill the Earth (e.g. Jeremiah 31:34, Habakkuk 2:14, Matthew 24:14, Colossians 1:23).

15. The KJB by the English language to the Jews and the world (e.g. Isaiah 18:7, Isaiah 28:11, Zephaniah 3:9, 10, Revelation 10).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2531', '26f5540c05', '', 'My OP kinda got caught in the shuffle.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2532', '884692b179', '', 'LCBP may not offer a PCE bible but they have,or at least had,one that is/was closer than I\'ve come across so far. It\'s a LCBP #110D3B. I bought mine in August of 2011 and have been doing PCE comparison tests on it every time I come across one. To date,including the 15 that were posted recently,it has passed 569 tests and failed one. 1 John 5:8');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2533', 'abb4c8f65e', '', 'These are both the same text and they are also known as the Standard text. It is an out-of-print Cambridge text, determined to be ‘pure’ by [b:abb4c8f65e]Mr. Verschuur, a young and ambitious Pentecostal man from Australia[/b:abb4c8f65e]. His research is fairly exhaustive, and he is to be commended for it. But his conclusions, that the Cambridge text he uses is in all points superior to other Cambridge texts, cannot be defended, at every point. On these points he relies on his ‘Pentecostal’ experiences to defend them, as described in his book, &quot;Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition of the King James Bible.&quot; For more information, please contact us.

Regarding the above, they appear to have taken a stand with Gail Riplinger because it appears that Riplinger was the one who wrote this statement as represented in:

http://www.ourkjv.com');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2534', '0408cf4674', '', 'Riplinger described me as a &quot;young Pentecostal man from Australia&quot;.

But the honourable LCBP writer said I was &quot;ambitious&quot;.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2535', '9d14443245', '', 'Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.  --  George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796 - David Claypoole American Daily Advertiser, September 19, 1796.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2536', 'db91880afa', 'The Protector, 28 July 2013', '[img:db91880afa]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:db91880afa]

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CRYPTO-CATHOLICS ATTACK THE KJB

Today, there are among so-called “Christians” people who support Roman Catholic views, and who defend Roman Catholic positions.

Their main principle, in the Bible Version debate, is to lock the meaning of the Bible into the past.

This verse epitomises everything they reject:

“But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:”

1. truth and power is now.

2. the fullness of Scripture is here.

3. it is in English.

4. it is an absolute framework and certain.

5. it is for national obedience.

6. it is for actual obedience or conformity.

7. it is for manifesting now these things.

Their view is always the opposite, differing to and attacking the KJB and those that uphold it.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2537', '719dd78169', 'The Name of Jesus', '&quot;Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [i:719dd78169]things [/i:719dd78169]in heaven, and [i:719dd78169]things [/i:719dd78169]in earth, and [i:719dd78169]things [/i:719dd78169]under the earth; And [i:719dd78169]that [/i:719dd78169]every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [i:719dd78169]is [/i:719dd78169]Lord, to the glory of God the Father.&quot; (Philippians 2:9-11)

Every Christian has the legal right to use the Name of Jesus. Rev. Kenneth E. Hagin, in his book &quot;The Name of Jesus&quot;, points out these things: we have the power of attorney to use the Name; we can use it in prayer, in spiritual warfare, and in ministering healing. Jesus has invested His power and authority into His Name and has charged us to use it. The Name represents the Person.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2538', '624bdcd85a', 'The Protector, 4 August 2013', '[img:624bdcd85a]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:624bdcd85a]

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CHRISTIANITY REQUIRES HUMILITY

There are a lot of people who think they know better than what the Bible says. Yet, the Bible says of them, “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools” (Romans 1:22).

Isaiah also prophesied of this prideful attitude, saying, “Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!” (Isaiah 5:21).

This same rebellious attitude has infected many who attend churches, who think that the old traditions were bad or that the King James Bible is out of date. Their whole conception of who God is and how He operates is merely their opinion.

“Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time” (1 Peter 5:6).

God is not against people being up, but he against people being puffed up. And that foolish position is going to get people in a lot of trouble, because they will be deflated in due season.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2539', '543e1cf384', 'The Protector, 11 August 2013', '[img:543e1cf384]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:543e1cf384]

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WHAT IS MODERNISM?

Terms like “modern scholar” and “modernist critic” relates to the general mode of interpreting the Bible by a hermeneutical method that tends to limit the Bible to its historical context, and who use humanistic arguments for accepting of modern versions as superior to the King James Bible. It is therefore a general classification of those, many who might usually be classed as actual believing Christians, as having added a system of contemporary opinion (based on humanistic rationalism) to the Bible, how it is read or applied, and what actually constitutes the text of the Bible. This term is more wide than meaning “anti-supernaturalism” or “Liberal Theology” as it describes the Laodicean position of many Evangelicals, Fundamentalists and Pentecostals.

As an example, modernist Bible colleges claim to believe that the Scripture is verbally inspired in every word, absolutely inerrant in the original documents, infallible, and God breathed, and that the opening chapters of Genesis present creation in six literal days, etc. This is true. Yet, their caveat is that they limit this reality to the original documents, not to having a perfect Bible today. Again, they redefine the literal interpretation to mean the “grammatical historical interpretation of Scripture”, which often explains away the applicability of Scripture, and makes it subjective by appealing to the Hebrew and Greek, as well as to modern day opinions about how people in the past thought. Further, they claim that Scripture has only one right interpretation — an interpretation which seems to inevitably disconnect the Scripture from a living, present reality, locking it into the past and/or future. This error is upheld by people who are Preterist or Futurist. The Word of Faith–King James Bible Only paradigm is the resolution to the conflict between those Schools.

The Scripture is true not just in the original documents, but today. (The King James Bible is perfect right now.) The entire hermeneutical and exegetical method of the grammatical historical interpretation is incorrect, as it limits the meaning of the Scripture to modern opinion of what Hebrew and Greek words are thought to have meant; it limits the meaning of the Scripture to the intent of the original writer, the understanding of the original audience and the context of that time; and it limits the meaning of the Scripture as a present reality, as if the Holy Ghost was not speaking directly beyond the time of inspiration (more than mere application for us today).

It is to these people that Jesus addresses his plea, “I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.” (Revelation 3:18, 19).

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Several times over the last few years I have run into people who make fun of certain words found in the King James Bible. They themselves do not believe that any Bible in any language is the complete and inerrant words of God, but they think that they are capable of criticizing the Book God has blessed and used far more than any other Bible in history.

One such Bible critic wrote me saying: &quot;Philemon 1:20 Yea, brother, let me have joy of thee in the Lord: refresh my bowels in the Lord.&quot; (KJV) My bowels are refreshed when I sit on the toilet.&quot;

I wrote back to him: &quot;----, you\'re mocking the word of God. Have you bothered to check out how many other Bible versions correctly translate this word as bowels? Have you bothered to look the word up in an English Dictionary to see what other meanings it has? Are you aware of the fact that the King James Bible and many others have translated the specific Greek word that is used there literally as &quot;bowels&quot;, because that is EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS in Greek, and that even the NASB, NIV have the word bowels in them in other places?&quot;

Another Christian wrote the following: &quot;You tell me which of the following are more clear in English: My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my BOWELS were moved for him. (Song of Solomon 5:4 KJV)

My beloved put his hand to the latch, and my HEART was thrilled within me. (Song of Solomon 5:4 ESV, Geneva, Bishops\', NKJV)

My love thrust his hand through the opening, and my FEELINGS were stirred for him. (Song of Solomon 5:4 HCSB)

NIV - &quot;My LOVER thrust his hand through the latch-opening; my HEART began to pound for him.&quot; It is funny how the English language has changed. Most people understand &quot;my bowels were moved&quot; differently than they did in 1611.&quot; (End of comments)

So how do we King James Bible believers address this issue? It\'s really not that hard. Ignorance can be dispelled by a little knowledge.

The New Webster Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language 1971 defines the plural word &quot;bowels&quot; as &quot;The supposed seat of pity or tenderness; hence kindness, compassion or affection; the interior part of anything, i.e. the bowels of the earth.&quot;

The Collins English Dictionary says: Bowels -
1. innards; entrails
2. (literary) the deep or innermost part (esp in the phrase the bowels of the earth)
3. (archaic) the emotions, esp of pity or sympathy

Webster\'s Dictionary 1828 defined &quot;bowels&quot; in the following manner:
BOW\'ELS, n. plural

1. The intestines of an animal; the entrails, especially of man. The heart. 2.Cor.6.12.
2. The interior part of any thing; as the bowels of the earth.
3. The seat of pity or kindness; hence, tenderness, compassion, a scriptural sense.

Any good English dictionary will tell you that the word bowels has two or three different meanings in English. One refers to the intestines; another refers to the inner parts or deepest recesses of something, like &quot;he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir&quot; (Genesis 15:4 - KJB, Jewish translations 1917 Jewish Publication Society, the 1936 Hebrew Publishing Company, New York, the Geneva Bible 1587, Youngs, RV 1881,  ASV 1901, Jubilee Bible 2000 or the bowels of the ship or the bowels of the earth. A third meaning of this word is the seat of the emotions and feelings.

Is this an &quot;archaic&quot; usage and meaning of the word &quot;bowels&quot;?  Yes, it is generally considered to be archaic, yet it is still used  with this meaning in several modern versions, as we shall soon see.  It is an older meaning of the word. But so what?  No one is denying that the King James Bible has some &quot;old fashioned&quot; or even &quot;archaic&quot; words in it.  It also uses words like &quot;thee, thy, thou, thine, and ye&quot;, but these are actually far more accurate and exact in meaning than is the generic modern use of the word &quot;you&quot;. 

Being &quot;archaic&quot; does NOT mean that it is not right and what God actually wrote in His Book.  The Bible is not supposed to read like your local newspaper or a contemporary novel. It is God\'s eternal and inspired words and it\'s SUPPOSED to sound different than &quot;the language on the street&quot;. 

When we read in the King James Bible the word BOWELS, realize that this is exactly the word GOD inspired in those places.  He used the same word when it means &quot;the guts&quot; or the literal inward parts, and He also used the same Hebrew and Greek word to refer to the inward feelings and affections that people experience.

What people are really trying to do when they tell you the King James Bible needs to be &quot;updated and revised&quot; is to get you to use one of the multiple choice, contradictory, constantly changing and TEXTUALLY very different &quot;bible&quot; versions that NOBODY seriously believes are the infallible and 100% true words of God.  NO other English Bible nor any other specific Hebrew and Greek text combined into one Book is believed by ANYBODY to be the infallible words of the living God today. 

See much more about this and what is at stake in my article &quot;The \'Archaic\' language of the King James Bible&quot; here -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/archaickjbship.htm

The King James Bible as well as many other Bible versions use the word &quot;bowels&quot; to refer to the literal intestines. &quot;And thou shalt have great sickness by disease of thy BOWELS, until thy BOWELS fall out by reason of the sickness day by day.&quot; 2 Chronicles 21:15 (KJB, RV, ASV, NASB, ESV).

In Acts 1:18 we read concerning Judas: &quot;and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his BOWELS gushed out.&quot; (RV, ASV, RSV, NASB, ESV)

The use of the word BOWELS that is most often attacked by the Bible correctors and unbelievers in the infallibility of ANY Bible is seen in verses like Genesis 43:30 &quot;And Joseph made haste; for his BOWELS did yearn upon his brother: and he sought where to weep; and he entered into his chamber, and wept there.&quot;

The Hebrew word used here is #7356 and is variously translated as &quot;bowels, mercy, compassion, tender mercies, and to be pitied&quot;. The word does not mean &quot;heart&quot; as the RSV, NKJV have it. The NASB and NIV both simply paraphrase it. The NASB says: &quot;for HE was deeply stirred over his brother&quot;; while the NIV has: &quot;Deeply moved at the sight of his brother, Joseph hurried out...&quot;

The earlier Geneva Bible says: &quot;His AFFECTION was inflamed toward his brother&quot; but then has a marginal note telling us that the Hebrew is literally &quot;bowels&quot;. Some of the earlier English versions like the Great bible 1540, Matthew\'s bible 1549, Coverdale 1535 and the Bishops\' bible 1568 and the Catholic Douay Rheims 1582 actually read more like the modern versions and said &quot;his HEART was moved on his brother&quot;, but the King James Bible translators apparently made a conscious and deliberate choice to translate this word as &quot;bowels&quot;. This is literally what the Hebrew word means. 

Agreeing with the King James reading of &quot;his BOWELS did yearn upon his brother&quot; are Webster\'s translation 1833, the Revised Version of 1881- &quot;for his BOWELS did yearn upon his brother: and he sought where to weep&quot;, Julia Smith Translation 1855, Young\'s \'literal\' translation, Darby\'s translation - &quot;for his bowels burned for his brother, the 2000 Jubilee Bible - &quot;Then Joseph made haste; for his BOWELS did yearn upon his brother&quot;.

It may surprise you, but there are many foreign language Bibles that read the same way as the King James Bible in verses like this. Here are some examples:

Genesis 43:30  &quot;And Joseph made haste; for his BOWELS did yearn upon his brother&quot; The Spanish Cipriano de Valera of 1602, the Spanish Reina Valera 1960-1995, and the R.V. Gómez of 2010 all read: - &quot;Entonces José se apresuró, porque se conmovieron sus entrañas a causa de su hermano&quot;.  The word &quot;entrañas&quot; literally means &quot;the entrails&quot;, and is also used in the expression &quot;las entrañas de la tierra&quot; = &quot;the bowels of the earth&quot;. The same thing occurs in the Portuguese Almeida Actualizada  (which is the modern day Portuguese bible) - &quot;E José apressou-se, porque se lhe comoveram AS ENTRANHAS por causa de seu irmão.&quot; 

The same thing happens in the French Martin of 1744 and the French Ostervald of 1996 - Genesis 43:30 -&quot;Et Joseph se retira promptement, car SES ENTRAILLES étaient émues à la vue de son frère&quot;, and in the Italian Diodati 1649 and the Riveduta 1927 - Genesis 43:30 - &quot;E Giuseppe s’affrettò ad uscire, perché le SUE VISCERE  s’eran commosse per il suo fratello.&quot; - you can probably recognize the related English words &quot;viscera&quot; and &quot;visceral&quot; which means or refers to the inner parts, the intestines.

In 1 Kings 3:26 we read of the events that occurred when king Solomon wisely determined which of the two harlots was the real mother of the child. We read of the real mother that: &quot;her BOWELS yearned upon her son, and she said, O my lord, give her the living child, and in no wise slay it.&quot;

Again, agreeing with the King James literal reading of &quot;her bowels yearned upon her son&quot; are the Bishops\' Bible 1568, Douay Rheims 1582, Webster\'s 1833 translation, the Revised Version 1881, Young\'s \'literal\', Douay 1950, and Darby\'s translation, the Jubilee Bible 2000 - &quot;Then the woman, of whom the living child was, spoke unto the king, for HER BOWELS YEARNED UPON HER SON, and she said, O my lord, give her the living child and in no wise slay it.&quot;

The meaning that is most often ridiculed in the King James Bible, is that of &quot;the seat or center of the emotions and feelings&quot;.
Let\'s look for a moment at Daniel Wallace\'s NET version, and his footnote comments on Song of Solomon 5:4. &quot;My LOVER thrust his hand through the hole, and my FEELINGS (13) were stirred for him.&quot;

Then Mr. Wallace footnotes: Heb “my inward parts,” “my intestines,” or “my bowels.” Alternately, “my feelings” or “my emotions.” The term (me’eh) is used of the internal organs in general (“inward parts”) (e.g., 2 Sam 20:10; 2 Chr 21:15, 18; Ps 22:14; 40:9) or the digestive organs in particular (“intestines, bowels, stomach”) (e.g., Num 5:22; Job 20:14; Ezek 3:3; 7:19; Jonah 2:1-2). It is frequently used as a metonymy of adjunct for the emotions which Hebrew psychology associated with these internal organs . This is reflected in many translations which use equivalent English idioms: “the core of my being” (JB) and “my heart” (NIV, NJPS) over the woodenly literal “my bowels” (KJV, NEB).

Notice that Mr. Wallace points out that the literal Hebrew reading is indeed &quot;my bowels&quot;. I find it ironic that people who object to the word &quot;bowels&quot; in the King James Bible apparently have no problem with constantly changing the words &quot;My Beloved&quot; to &quot;my LOVER&quot; as in the NIV 1978, 1984 editions, The Message, and Wallace\'s own NET version. What does &quot;my lover&quot; communicate to today\'s readers?

Agreeing with the King James Bible\'s literal reading in the Song of Solomon 5:4 &quot;my bowels were moved for him&quot; are Webster\'s 1833 translation, the Douay version 1950, Young\'s \'literal\' translation, Darby, the 1936 Hebrew Publishing Company version, the 1970 New English Bible, and J. P. Green\'s 2005 KJV 3 Literal Translation and the Jubilee Bible of 2000 - &quot;My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him. If the use of the words &quot;my bowels&quot; to describe the seat of emotions is &quot;archaic&quot;, then what is it still doing in the 1970 New English Bible, in Green\'s newest 2005 KJV3, A Conservative Version of 2005, Orthodox Jewish Bible 2011, Lexham English Bible 2012 and in the Jubilee Bible of 2000?

Modern Versions that still use &quot;bowels&quot; to mean the innermost feelings of mercy, pity or compassion.

The 2012 Lexham English Bible uses the word &quot;bowels&quot; for both the &quot;disease of the bowels&quot; but it also uses the word &quot;bowels&quot; just like the King James Bible does in the following verses:

Job 20:14  - &quot;in his BOWELS his food is turned, the venom of horned vipers is within him.&quot;

Job 30:27 - &quot;My BOWELS are in turmoil, and they are not still; days of misery come to confront me.&quot;

Jeremiah 4:19 - &quot;My BOWELS, my BOWELS! I writhe! The walls of my heart! My heart is restless within me, I cannot keep silent, for I hear in my inner self the sound of a horn, the alarm of war.&quot;

Jeremiah 31:20 - &quot;Is Ephraim my dear son, or the child of my delight? For as often as I have earnestly spoken against him, I still remember him. Therefore my BOWELS are turbulent for him, surely I will have compassion on him,” declares Yahweh. &quot;

The Third Millenium Bible of 1998 uses the word \'BOWELS\' several times. Here are a few examples. Notice how they merge over from the literal to the more figurative realm of the emotions and feelings.

Job 30:27 - &quot;My BOWELS boiled, and rested not; the days of affliction came upon me.&quot;

Psalm 109:18 - &quot;As he clothed himself with cursing as with his garment, so let it come into his BOWELS like water and like oil into his bones.&quot;

Isaiah 49:1 - &quot;Listen, O isles, unto Me, and hearken, ye people from afar! The LORD hath called Me from the womb; from the  BOWELS  of My mother hath He made mention of My name.&quot;

Lamentations 1:20  - &quot;Behold, O LORD, for I am in distress; my BOWELS are troubled. Mine heart is turned within me, for I have grievously rebelled. Abroad the sword bereaveth; at home there is as death.&quot;

 The Orthodox Jewish Bible of 2011 uses the word &quot;bowels&quot; nine times, usually referring to the literal bowels as in &quot;until thy bowels come out by reason of the disease&quot;, but notice how it uses the word &quot;bowels&quot; here in Job 30:27 where the KJB says: &quot;My bowels boiled and rested not: the days of affliction prevented me.&quot; the Orthodox Jewish Bible says: &quot;My BOWELS boiled, and rested not; yemei oni met me.&quot; and in Lamentations 1:20 it says: &quot;Consider, O Hashem how I am in distress; MY BOWELS are troubled.&quot;  Here the prophet Jeremiah is not complaining of some digestive disorder, but rather is lamenting how he feels emotionally.  This is the same sense as that found in the King James Bible.

The word BOWELS in the New Testament

In the New Testament of the King James Bible the Greek word #4698 splagkna is found eleven times. Once it refers to the literal bowels or inwards of the human body in Acts 1:18, where we read concerning Judas: &quot;and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.&quot;

Once it is translated as &quot;tender mercies&quot; in Luke 1:78, and once as &quot;inward affection&quot; in 2 Corinthians 7:15. Eight other times the word is translated literally as bowels when it refers to the seat of emotions and feeling. These are 2 Corinthians 6:12; Philippians 1:8; 2:1; Colossians 3:12; Philemon 7, 12, and 20; and 1 John 3:17.

Here are a couple examples of how this word is used in the King James Bible and several other translations both old and modern. &quot;For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the BOWELS of Jesus Christ.&quot; &quot;If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any BOWELS and mercies...&quot; Philippians 1:8 and 2:1.

Among the Bible translations that translate this word as &quot;bowels&quot; when it refers to the seat of emotions and feeling are the following: Wycliffe 1395, Tyndale 1525, Bishops\' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1599, Mace\'s N.T. 1729, Wesley\'s N.T. 1755, Whiston\'s Primitive N.T. 1770 - &quot;For God is my witness, how I long for you all in bowels of Jesus Christ.&quot;,  Worsley N.T., Darby, Young\'s - &quot;how I long for you all in the BOWELS of Jesus Christ&quot;,  Green\'s MKJV 1998, the Jubilee Bible of 2000-2010 editions - &quot;For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in THE BOWELS of Jesus Christ.&quot;, A Conservative Version by Walter Porter 2005, and Green\'s 2005 KJV3 Literal Translation.

The King James Bible is not at all wrong or in error by translating these Hebrew and Greek words as &quot;bowels&quot;.  It can\'t even really be considered to be &quot;archaic&quot; if modern Bible translations like the New English Bible 1970, the Jubilee Bible 2000, J.P. Green\'s 2005 KJV3, Walter Porter\'s A Conservative Version of 2005, The Orthodox Jewish Bible 2011 and the Lexham English Bible of 2012 at times continue to use the word &quot;bowels&quot; to describe the inner feelings and emotions. And it is even in keeping with what Dan Wallace said: &quot;It is frequently used as a metonymy of adjunct for the emotions which Hebrew psychology associated with these internal organs .&quot;

All of grace, believing the Book,

Will Kinney

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There is a recent article posted at Catholic New Agency that reports on the Vatican Exhibition that [allegedly] Highlights the Catholic Roots of the King James Bible.  If ever there were a piece of Revisionist Propaganda, this is it.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican-exhibition-highlights-catholic-roots-of-king-james-bible/

The article states: “Vatican City, Feb 28, 2012 / CNA News.- A new interfaith exhibition that opens this week at the Vatican reveals how the roots of the 1611 King James Bible are almost entirely Catholic – despite the fact that the translation was often viewed as a highpoint of Protestant European culture.

“If it had not been for the Catholics of the 1500s there would be no King James Bible,” exhibition organizer Cary Summers told CNA.

“Many of the original bibles that formed the basis of the King James Bible came from Catholic priests. Very few changes were made. The ancient writings that the King James writers actually mimicked and copied were by Catholic priests,” he explained.”

The whole article is Revisionist History, a total distortion of the facts and pure Jesuit sophistry at its best - in other words, a pack of outright Lies.

The Catholic church was always against having the word of God in the language of the people, until they were forced to do so because of the Reformation.  They then began the counter-Reformation and produced their own ever changing bible versions.

The KJB translators openly called the Pope the Antichrist and they spoke out against the Catholic versions and how inferior they were.  

See  “the very meanest translation is still the word of God” for documented proof of what the King James Bible translators thought of the Catholic versions.

http://brandplucked.webs.com/meanesttranslation.htm

The Catholic Douay Rheims came out in 1582 with the N.T. and in 1610 with the complete bible. It was NOT based on Erasmus’ Textus Receptus, but on the Latin Vulgate, which actually was much closer to the truth than are today’s new Vatican Versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB AND the modern Catholic bible versions like the St. Joseph NAB and the New Jerusalem bible.

See Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB etc. are the “new” Vatican Versions -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/realcatholicbibles.htm

When this Vatican spokesman says the “Catholics” help give us the KJB, they are referring to EX Catholics like Tyndale, Coverdale and Wycliffe.

The Catholics condemned Wycliffe even after he was dead and dug up his bones and burned them because he had translated the Bible into English.  That’s how much the Catholic church appreciated his efforts. When English Bibles began to be printed, the Catholics hunted down anybody that had a bible and burned them at the stake along with their Bibles.  See ‘A Lamp in the Dark - the Untold History of the Bible’ video that is now on You tube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Osuctvq4QU

As for Tyndale, he once was a Catholic but he got converted and became a Reformer. The Catholic church chased him all over Europe and finally caught him and burned him at the stake. Miles Coverdale was also once a Catholic but then got converted and became a Reformed Puritan. 

 For the Catholic Church to tell us that we got the King James Bible because of the Catholics is like saying we can give credit to the Catholic Church for the Reformation because Martin Luther was at one time a Catholic monk!

The article goes on to say: “The King James Bible has bequeathed a body of language that permeates every aspect of our culture and heritage, from everyday phrases to our greatest works of literature, music and art. “ 

A recent study suggested that there are over 250 phrases and idioms in common English usage that have their origins in the language of the King James Bible. These include “how the mighty are fallen,” “the skin of my teeth,” “nothing new under the sun,” and “the salt of the earth.” The Vatican exhibition hopes to show that all Christians can share the King James Bible in common.”

Well, you can look of these common phrases and 3 out of the 4 do not read this way in the Catholic Douay-Rheims and the only one that does - “the salt of the earth” as found in Matthew 5:13 -  was written that way from the time of Wycliffe 1395, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew’s Bible 1549, the Bishops’ Bible 1568 and the Geneva Bible long before the Catholic Douay ever translated it into English.

Of the other three, the phrase “how the mighty have fallen” is found in 2 Samuel 1:25 but the Catholic Douay-Rheims says: “how are THE VALIENT fallen ”. 

 The phrase “There is nothing new under the sun” is found in Ecclesiastes 1:9 but the Douay-Rheims reads: “Nothing under the sun is new”, and as for “I am escaped with the skin of my teeth” as found in Job 19:20 of the KJB, the Douay-Rheims reads: “and NOTHING BUT LIPS ARE LEFT ABOUT my teeth.”  Yeah, that’s pretty close, huh?

Go to the link, read the article and notice the comments by people. Notice especially what the Catholics have to say there. It is quite revealing.

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/vatican-exhibition-highlights-catholic-roots-of-king-james-bible/

The Vatican is putting out pure Revisionist Propaganda and trying to attach itself to the good reputation of the King James Bible. But you won’t be able to purchase a King James Bible at most Catholic bookstores. The largest Catholic book store here in Colorado refuses to sell them. I called and asked. They won’t sell them there, but you can get yourself a copy of the ESV complete with the Apocryphal books and the Catholic imprimatur seal of approval.

Here is a Catholic website called Catholic Bibles where you can see the ESV advertised. -

http://www.catholicbiblesblog.com/2009/01/esv-w-apocrypha-deuterocanonicals-is.html

And here is a list the site provides of Recommended Bible versions -

    •    Douay-Rheims Bible
    •    Revised Standard Version- Catholic Edition
    •    New American Bible Revised Edition
    •    New Revised Standard Version
    •    New Jerusalem Bible
    •    The Bible in Its Traditions
    •    Christian Community Bible
    •    NET Bible (By Dan Wallace with the Apocryphal books)
    •    English Standard Version
    •    NIV
    •    Common English Bible

But you won’t find the King James Bible on this list.

“He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”  Luke 8:8

“But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.” 1 Corinthians 14:38

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THE TRANSLATORS OF THE KJB VERSUS THE CRITICS

One of the things enemies of the King James Bible do is attempt to quote the translators’ preface and claim that it does not support the proper King James Bible only position.

Here are some brief points:

1. The critics say the KJB men were revising previous works.
ANSWER: That is right, the KJB did not come out of nowhere, and it is proper to revise in the proper tradition the sound Reformation English Bibles.
2. The critics say the KJB men endorsed previous translations.
ANSWER: Yes, but they also said they were making a better work.
3. The critics say the KJB men encouraged using previous translations.
ANSWER: Actually, for their own work they used them, they promoted the position that they were standing on the shoulders of those that came before, i.e. use theirs, because it is supersuccessionary.
4. The critics say the KJB men put “alternate variations” in the margin.
ANSWER: They put variations in the margin that they did not think were the most probable, but which had some “merit”. They are actually rejected renderings which choices succeeding generations have vindicated. The KJB men looked at all these things, and weighed the evidence properly, unlike some who dishonestly hid the existence of these variant translations (Pope’s Vulgate). There is no doubt on the veracity of the main text of Scripture as it stands.
5. The critics say the KJB men instructed readers to look at other translations to find out the sense of the scriptures.
ANSWER: Actually, the KJB men did that in making the KJB. And, whereas the sense was found out by them (i.e. they put forward a completed work in 1611), the modern scholars never find out the sense because they have a doctrine that there cannot be a perfect Bible.
6. The critics say the KJB men said it was impossible to make a word for word translation.
ANSWER: The KJB is a sense-for-sense translation, that often follows an exact wording correlation of to the originals, but — very importantly — the KJB men argued that they were not in bondage to words and syllables. They were free to use the exact English word as required to match the nuance of the original.
7. The critics say the KJB men said that they had to revise their work.
ANSWER: In fact, it was the Protestants of the Reformation who needed to revise their Bibles to get them to full accuracy, the KJB men identify themselves as being at the end of that process.

It should be noted that the critics take the same side and seem to agree with the Roman Catholic detractors of the past. 

Prov. 22:20 Have not I written to thee excellent things in counsels and knowledge, 
Prov. 22:21 That I might make thee know the certainty of the words of truth; that thou mightest answer the words of truth to them that send unto thee?

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THE WORD “EASTER” IN THE KING JAMES BIBLE

“And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.” (Acts 12:4).

1. The word &quot;Easter&quot; is from an Anglo-Saxon word, which was used as the personification of the Spring, a goddess. From this it may be conjectured a link between the Germanic language and other goddesses and words which speak of the common origin of Babel to all such myths.

2. The word &quot;Easter&quot;, as used by Christians, means the festival remembering the death and rising again of Jesus, which word &quot;Easter&quot; no longer has its pagan origin. Therefore, when used in the Bible, it means the time of unleavened bread according to the Jewish tradition, but written or viewed from a Christian perspective, the season by that same name.

The problem is that some people have taken a view which is half right, either they say &quot;Easter&quot; is Passover, and deny that a pagan festival ever existed by the same name, or else, they say that &quot;Easter&quot; is pagan, and deny that it means Passover. The proper approach is that which takes into account all the facts, as per the two points I give above.

Nick Sayers is an example of how ridiculous people can get in this debate. He says that Easter never had a pagan meaning, denies the record of Bede which talks about it, and claims that some other meaning is intended, effectively denying the proper Christianisation of words.

If there is no Christianisation, then the word &quot;God&quot; cannot be used, since it could literally mean &quot;Godan&quot;, i.e. the god &quot;Woden&quot;, since that is the word\'s etymological root. But Christianisation sanctifies words, so that the pagan &quot;Easter&quot; become the Christian resurrection celebration, and the Romanist Christmas a wholesome time, etc.

The mistaken view of some is that &quot;Easter&quot; cannot have originally been a pagan word because they fear that it would mean that Christians are following pagan customs. However, this is simply untrue. There are many pagan words, like the word &quot;God&quot;, which have been fully Christianised and fully sanctified.

Would the Christians in Britain have taken their pagan word &quot;Easter&quot; and changed it to mean something Christian? Yes, absolutely, this kind of thing has happened all the time in history. Anti-paganism never meant losing one\'s cultural identity or language, rather, it meant transforming the culture and &quot;sanctifying&quot; the language. I am talking about English particularly.

Those, like Nick Sayers, who claim that the word Easter comes from some Germanic word referring to rising are deliberately avoiding the truth of the meaning of words, both in their current use (i.e. the proper use of the word &quot;Easter&quot; today) and the clear pagan meaning of reinvigoration in the pagan context (in the past).

When the Bible says &quot;Easter&quot;, it in no way directly means that Herod was a pagan, nor does it refer to whether or not he followed Ishtar or Astarte. That is only a possible implication due to the English word being used, but it is not the primary meaning of the text, which is that the word &quot;Easter&quot; is the Christian celebration which once was held during the same time as the Jewish unleavened bread time. Now the date of Easter is governed by the equinox and the full moon.

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BIBLICAL FOUNDATIONS REQUIRED

This week, a Socialist gave me a copy of his newspaper. On looking at the back page, I noticed their list of policies and positions on various issues. I found that I disagreed with them. But in thinking about it, I knew that really they had the wrong ideological foundation which led to these wrong conclusions.

The issue is not therefore the fruit, but the root. Jesus said, “Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matthew 7:19, 20).

The fruit exhibited by the Socialistic tree is definitely bad. Therefore, the tree and its root must be bad. It must be inherently ANTI-BIBLICAL.

For example, just on their “Anti-war” section, it is evident that they do not want to fight Islamic terrorism, that they are anti-Israel, that they are anti-American and that they are doing their level-best to weaken the nation within so that it cannot stand against enemies without.

If this is the case describing the Communists and the Socialists, it is therefore instructional to note that their anti-Biblical positions are shared by certain other political parties, and not just the extremist Greens.

What is especially disturbing is that one so-called “Christian” party agrees with the Socialists, I quote, “Family First believes that the 2003 invasion of Iraq was wrong”.

Just on that issue, they are disagreeing with Jesus. “Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?” (Luke 14:31).

Again the New Testament says, “They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.” (Matthew 21:41).

On a spiritual level, one can pray for the miserable destruction of enemies and enemy ideologies. After all, the Scripture said, Pray “For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.” (1 Timothy 2:2). And those prayers worked, because from 313 to 476 AD, the Roman Empire was generally Christian.

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Adullum Films writes: “Dear Will, you seem like a brother in Christ who is concerned about having a faithful and accurate record of the Word of God. To this, we certainly agree. We may not see the Biblical record in the same way that you do, however, we certainly believe that the Authorized Version is the most faithful and accurate translation we have in the English language.&quot;

To whom I answered:

Hi Adullum Films. Thank you for responding. You are right; we do not see the Biblical record or more specifically The Bible in the same way. I also believe Chris Pinto is a brother in Christ. I do not doubt that at all.  However his position and beliefs about “the Bible” differ very little from those of James White and Bart Ehrman.

I asked Chris on the phone if he believes the Bible IS the infallible words of God. The same question I asked James White and they both said that they do.  I then asked Chris where I can get a copy of this infallible Bible and he told me “it’s complicated.”  And when further pressed, he then told me “Only the originals ARE inspired and inerrant.”

I then pointed out to him that he was using a present tense verb - ARE - when he said “Only the originals ARE inspired and inerrant.” and then I made the obvious point that there ARE no originals and he knows there ARE no originals.  He has never seen a single word of them a day in his life. So, what he was doing is confessing a faith in something that he knows do not exist.

Chris and probably others at Adullum films seem to lean toward the position that “the” Textus Receptus is the infallible words of God, but there are some problems with this view.  There is no such thing as “the” Textus Receptus.  There are varieties of the TR but they are not all the same.  If you are referring to the TR of Elziever brothers, who first referred to the Traditional Text as “the text received by all”, then keep in mind that NO Bible was ever translated into English or any other language using “the” TR of the Elziever brothers.

And the TR that the Trinitarian Bible Society put out in 1894 by Scrivener, is in fact a BACK TRANSLATION from the KJB into the Greek that the KJB translators chose from Beza, Stephanus and less so from Erasmus.  

Another problem is the fact that the TR is not the whole Bible. We also have the entire Old Testament as well.

The Geneva bible was better than the Vatican Versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET and Holman stuff, but it was not the infallible words of God.  God has put it on the shelf of oblivion.

See examples from my own study called  “Deficiencies of the Geneva Bible”

http://brandplucked.webs.com/deficientgeneva.htm

And it was not Tyndale’s N.T. or the TR either.

See my article called “Tyndale, the Textus Receptus or the King James Bible”  here-

http://brandplucked.webs.com/tyntrorkjb.htm

The Christian who professes to believe the Bible has only 4 Options open to him. Most Christians today fall into Options 1, 2 or 3. The King James Bible believer is in Option #4.

See “Was there a Perfect Bible before the King James Bible?”

http://brandplucked.webs.com/kjbonlyblowup.htm

I understand that Chris Pinto is going to debate James White in a couple of months, primarily about the Sinaiticus mss.  I have seen some recent blogs by James White and his fellow bible agnostics discussing it and some are trying to paint Chris Pinto as some kind of a nut for claiming the Jesuits and the Vatican are involved in producing what I and others rightly call the Vatican Versions, like the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET, Holman etc. and the modern Catholic versions.

Well, Chris is absolutely correct about this and here is the PROOF that he is right 

Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET etc. are  the new &quot;Vatican Versions&quot;

http://brandplucked.webs.com/realcatholicbibles.htm

However if anybody in the audience were to ask either Chris Pinto at this point or James White this question - “Can either of you gentlemen show me a copy of what you believe IS the complete, inspired and 100% infallible words of God that I can hold in my hands, read and believe every word is from the living God?” -  you both would start hemming and hawing, and dancing around the question and would NEVER come right out and say “The ..... IS the complete and infallible words of God.” 

Why?  Because neither one of you REALLY believes that such a thing exists.  I think brother Chris Pinto is much closer to the truth than James White is by a long shot, but the end result is still the same.  Neither one of you can tell anybody where to get a copy of God’s infallible words.

May God in His mercy open the eyes of more of His people and give them the faith to believe what the Book says about itself and that God has in fact working in history to give us the true “book of the LORD” (Isaiah 34:16).  God has not lied to us. He has kept His promise to preserve His words and “heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”

If you are still interested, my I suggest you read “God\'s Persistent Witness to the Absolute Standard of Written Truth  - The King James Holy Bible”

http://brandplucked.webs.com/absolutestandard.htm

In it I show some historic “coincidences” that show why God’s true Book must come from England and why  the King James Bible is the Standard of Absolute written Truth.  

God bless.

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MARANOA
Anglican	 25.3%
Catholic	25.3%
No Religion 	15.2%
Uniting Church	7.7%
Presbyterian and Reformed 	4.9%

FLYNN
Catholic 	21.7%
Anglican 	21.4%
No Religion	 21.3%
Uniting Church	 7.9%
Presbyterian and Reformed	 4.5%

The two most socially liberal electorates are in New South Wales and Victoria, as follows:

GRAYNDLER
No Religion	 30%
Catholic	27.2%
Anglican	 8.7%
Eastern Orthodox	6.2%
Buddhism	 4.6%

BATMAN
Catholic	 29%
No Religion	25.7%
Eastern Orthodox 	11.6%
Anglican	5.6%
Islam	 4.4%

And two centrally located electorates from Victoria:

CORIO (2011 BOUNDARY)
Catholic	29.8%
No Religion	 24.2%
Anglican	13.5%
Uniting Church  5.9%
Presbyterian and Reformed 	3.9%

CORANGAMITE (2011 BOUNDARY)
No Religion	27.4%
Catholic	25.2%
Anglican	15.3%
Uniting Church	8.7%
Presbyterian and Reformed	4.2%

Although these statistics are incomplete, they show:

1. The most left-wing seats have a higher “no religion” rating.
2. The most right-wing seats have a higher rate of Anglicanism.
3. The most left-wing seats also have sizeable minorities of non-Christian religions.

Using the conservatism indicator here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-04/vote-compass-left-right-electorates/4929064

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THE TRIUMPH OF FAITH

It is commonly said that Christianity and politics do not mix, and that Christianity in governance (or religion and state) should be separate.

This is, of course, not the historical model.

The Old Testament was written and delivered in the context of a nation whose rule was by the Mosaic law, that is, the religious principles and ordinances of the Levitical priesthood and the prophets.

And the nations were all had kings who were of one form of paganism or another. The Greek democracies were no less religious, and Rome, for all its civilising influence, was heavily religious. (In fact, by modernistic standards, Roman rule was positively barbaric.)

There have been many godly men who have ruled with good influence, whether Joseph in Egypt, Daniel in Babylon and in Persia, and various Christian emperors of Rome, as well as all the Protestant princes of European nations. In British history, there are godly Queens and Kings, Lord Protectors, and in their colonies, Governors.

Religion and religious influence do indeed have a place. The problem is that the wrong religion has had place in many examples. Roman Catholicism and apostate forms of Protestantism are negatives. The problem is that people see those false examples and think that all Christianity or all religion is bad, and that there must be a “safeguard” or “wall of separation” erected against it all. In reality, a selective wall should be maintained or restored, for the sound political relationship with proper religion.

In Australian history, there was once a safeguard against Roman Catholics taking top positions. The issue really is not non-Christianity or the proportion of Roman Catholicism in the overall population. The issue is, in the first degree:

1. What are the true Christians doing?
2. Among the true Christians, is there leaven/error present?

In answer to question 1, the true Christians themselves ought to pray and operate spiritually in the first degree. In the second degree, their actions should then be wise, like Joseph or Daniel. (I write this having observed the absurdity and hypocrisy of supposed “Christian” political parties.)

In answer to question 2, there is a high level of carnality and wrong doctrines among the true Christians (let alone the false ones, who must be carnal, wrong, absurd and hypocritical).

Ro 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 

True Christianity has political implications which cannot be replaced by mere “sense of duty” and empty “civic virtue”.

Ro 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

The call to Christians is to break away from the fantasy views (e.g. emotionalism plaguing Pentecostalism), and to have a genuine, disciplined, triumphing religion.
 
Ro 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

There is a victory promised. The victory implies an enemy. The enemy not only of apathy and lukewarmness within, or of those mockers of Christianity among our fellow countrymen, but of the dreadful enemy of Islamo-politicism which is a global threat. And while true Christians should be assured that this is a non-beast, it still must be met and resisted with a proper religious fervour and corresponding political fortitude.

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HEARING OF WARS

Recently, a follower of arch-conspiracy theorist, Alex Jones, told me that of all threats in the world, Russia was the least. Of course, his view was stridently anti-American (and not just anti-Obama, they seem to hate George W. Bush just as much).

The Russian news propaganda website, Russia Today, seems to indicate or bewray itself that Russia is an international threat. (After all, it is ambivalent towards conspiracy-theorism, anti-American, etc.) But Bible believing Christians should not view this out of fear, but remember the words of Jesus:

“And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for such things must needs be; but the end shall not be yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom” (Mark 13:7, 8a).

It is therefore ironic that Russia claims to be on the side of “Christians” (i.e. Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics), and on the side of Muslims who are fighting other Muslims. In fact, the have gone so far as to call a little war in Syria the “WAR OF GOD”.

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It is not the “War of God”, but, “Because thou hast forgotten the God of thy salvation, and hast not been mindful of the rock of thy strength, therefore shalt thou plant pleasant plants, and shalt set it with strange slips” (Isaiah 17:10).

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THE EMERGENCE OF THE BIBLE

“I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.” (1 Timothy 2:1, 2).

It is especially good to do so in Australia, seeing that they were all holding Bibles  on Wed. 18 Sept. 2013:

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Therefore, in the opportunity of the quiet and peaceable life, there should be godliness and honesty. 

There have been many years of preparation among the true Christians, despite the continuing secularising trend of the world, making it certain that Christianity continue — and not “Christianity” as a fuzzy ideal about love and sacrifice and stained glass windows — but of evangelistic transformation, of having the words of God written in the heart.

Anyone can, of course, hold a Bible in their hands, but the real measure is in what people do, whether they act in conformity with it or not. That is expected in Christians, and that is why the Bible actually says to pray for the national leaders.

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Daniel Wallace is a professor at Dallas Theological Seminary and he and a large group of fellow Bible agnostics and unbelievers in the infallibility of ANY Bible in ANY language have pooled their resources to put together the popular NET bible version, complete with the Apocryphal books.

The purpose of this article is to prove to you that Docktor Dan is either a Jesuit plant or just totally deceived when it comes to the Bible version issue.  I will show by his own comments (or those of his fellow collaborators) found in his NET version that the man has the spiritual discernment of a squash.  If my tone sounds a bit harsh to you, that is because it really gets my blood boiling when I see self appointed, lying hypocrites messing with God\'s Book.  I ask you to bear with me for a few minutes; read the article and see if your own spirit doesn\'t start to get a bit heated when you see what he is doing to the words of the living God.

Anybody who uses the NET version has taken a giant step backwards into confusion and uncertainty regarding the text of the Bible itself.  Just over 60 years ago this same Dallas Theological Seminary, where Dr. Wallace now teaches,  wrote a scathing article about several readings found in the liberal RSV. These were all Christological passages and included the nature of the Son of God as found in Micah 5:2, the Messianic prophesy about “until Shiloh come” in Genesis 49:10 and changing “a virgin shall conceive” in Isaiah 7:14 to “a young woman”.   Yet here we are just 60 years later and Dan Wallace’s NET version has gone back to those same readings that were in the liberal RSV they criticized.

See -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/timeschangedtsemnet.htm

Dan Wallace’s NET version, like the other Vatican Versions (ESV, NIV, NASB) and the modern Catholic versions often rejects the clear Hebrew readings.  See

http://brandplucked.webs.com/nivnasbrejecthebrew.htm

Dan Wallace has written an article called “Why I Do Not Think the King James Bible Is the Best Translation Available Today”
You can see it here -

https://bible.org/article/why-i-do-not-think-king-james-bible-best-translation-available-today

Another King James Bible believer has already written a response to Dan Wallace’s article. His name is Brandon Staggs and he wrote his rebuttal back in 2004. His article is appropiately called “Why you shouldn\'t care what Daniel Wallace thinks about the King James Bible”   You can see it here -

http://av1611.com/kjbp/articles/staggs-wallace.html 

Let’s take a look at the very first thing Dan Wallace says in his article about the King James Bible.  He opens with these words:  “First, I want to affirm with all evangelical Christians that THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD, INERRANT, INSPIRED AND OUR FINAL AUTHORITY FOR FAITH AND LIFE.”

Dan Wallace starts off his criticism of the King James Bible with a bald faced lie and it goes downhill from there. Dan Wallace is like peas in a pod with other men like James White. They both SAY they believe “The Bible IS the inspired and inerrant word of God”.  Notice that both Dan Wallace and James White both use a present tense verb - IS - when they PROFESS to believe &quot;The Bible IS the inerrant words of God.&quot;

But all you have to do to prove that they are prevaricating (that’s a fancy word for “lying”) is to simply ask either of them to SHOW you a copy of this “inspired and inerrant word of God” they both PROFESS to believe in.  They cannot and will NEVER tell you. Why?  Because neither one of them actually HAS (present tense) a real Bible between two covers that you can hold in your hands, read and believe IS the inspired and inerrant words of God - and they KNOW IT!  They are lying to you. It’s just that simple.

The second lie Dan Wallace tells us is found at the beginning of his second paragraph where he even uses the word “second” and says: “Second, the Greek text which stands behind the King James Bible is demonstrably inferior in certain places. The man who edited the text was a Roman Catholic priest and humanist named Erasmus.”

This is amazing. James White does the same thing when talking about the text of the King James Bible. They try somehow to link the King James Bible to the Roman Catholic Church and in this way discredit it.  Whereas the TRUTH of the whole matter is that it is the modern versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard and the NET versions themselves that are the new Vatican Versions!

I know this may sound like an outrageous, fanatical KJB Onlyist Conspiracy Theory to you at first, but I can PROVE it beyond all doubt and document it for you with quotes right out or the Nestle-Aland critical text itself, the UBS (United Bible Society) sites and direct quotes from the Vatican.

See  “Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET etc. are  the new &quot;Vatican Versions&quot;

“Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth..is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit...and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication...Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins” Revelation 17:2-5; 18:2-4

http://brandplucked.webs.com/realcatholicbibles.htm

Be sure to take a look at Part Two where you can see the hundreds of words that have been omitted in the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET and the modern Catholic versions, and where they have rejected and added to the Hebrew texts themselves. These are not the baseless ravings of a mindless fanatic.  These are cold facts you can see for yourself in black and white.

 http://brandplucked.webs.com/esvcatholicpart2.htm

No Catholic bible version has ever used the Greek text by Erasmus. In fact, the Council of Trent (1545-1564) branded Erasmus a heretic and prohibited his works. In 1559, Pope Paul IV placed Erasmus on the first class of forbidden authors, which was composed of authors whose works were completely condemned.  And besides this, the King James Bible translators did not even primarily use Erasmus’ text, but that of Beza and secondarily of Stephanus.

The third piece of misinformation Dan Wallace give us is when he writes: “Third, the King James Bible has undergone three revisions since its inception in 1611, incorporating more than 100,000 changes. Which King James Bible is inspired, therefore? “

Dan Wallace and James White both use the same worn out, misleading information when they criticize the Bible God has born witness to throughout the last 400 years as being His Book.

The King James Bible has never been “revised”. They changed the text font from Gothic to Roman print, corrected some minor printing errors within the first 30 years of its publication and updated the spelling of words like “sinne” to “sin” and “Sonne” to “Son”, but this was because the English language itself was not yet settled in its spelling. 

 But the underlying Hebrew and Greek texts and the English translation of these texts has NEVER changed.  And this is in sharp contrast to the many and deliberate textual changes that continue to take place in versions like the ESV, NIV and NASB.

See The Printing Errors Ploy - the last ditch effort of the Bible agnostics to convince us that there is no infallible Bible here -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/printingerrors.htm

The Fourth subtile twisting of truth is when Dan Wallace says: “Fourth, 300 words found in the KJV no longer bear the same meaning—e.g., “Suffer little children…to come unto me” (Matt 19:14). “Study to shew thyself approved unto God” (2 Tim 2:15). Should we really embrace a Bible as the best translation when it uses language that not only is not clearly understood any more, but in fact has been at times perverted and twisted?”

Again, Dan Wallace is misrepresenting the facts. For an educated man, his command of the English language is exceedingly limited. To “suffer” meaning “to permit or to allow” is STILL used today and the same applies to “Study”. The word still means to “study”.  Dan Wallace and other Vatican Version promoters would have us reject the infallible words of God because it has at times a slighly “archaic feel” to them, and replace them with a perverted text that likewise has numerous words the average high school graduate of today would not be able to define.

See my article called “The &quot;Old fashioned language&quot; of the King James Bible”

http://brandplucked.webs.com/archaickjbship.htm

Oh, and by the way, if you are wondering about all those “thee”s and “ye”s - they are there for a reason and are far more accurate to the underlying Hebrew and Greek texts than is the generic “you”.  

See - “Why those &quot;thee&quot;s and &quot;ye&quot;s are more accurate.”

http://brandplucked.webs.com/theeandye.htm

The Fifth lie Dan Wallace tells us is this: “Fifth, the KJV includes one very definite error in translation, which even KJV advocates would admit. In Matthew 23:24 the KJV has ‘strain AT a gnat and swallow a camel.’ But the Greek has ‘strain OUT a gnat and swallow a camel.’ In the least, this illustrates not only that NO TRANSLATION IS INFALLIBLE (Caps are mine)  but also that scribal corruptions can and do take place-even in a volume which has been worked over by so many different hands (for the KJV was the product of a very large committee of over 50 scholars).

First, Dan Wallace is wrong again about Matthew 23:24 being an error. And here is why -  “Strain AT a gnat” 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/mt23strainat1tim29sha.htm

And Second, Notice that Dan Wallace just got done telling us that “NO TRANSLATION IS INFALLIBLE”, and yet at the beginning of his article he told us that he believes “THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD, INERRANT, INSPIRED AND OUR FINAL AUTHORITY FOR FAITH AND LIFE.”

So, at this point it behooves us to ask Dan Wallace and James White and others like them, WHERE exactly IS this &quot;inerrant and inspired Bible&quot; you guys piously PROFESS to believe in?  Do you have an UN-translated Bible in “the original languages” of Hebrew and Greek that you can show us that you honestly believe IS the inspired and infallible words of God?  Not a chance. They will NEVER actually SHOW you this inerrant Bible they SAY they believe in, and they know it.  

I will briefly mention the last two examples Dan Wallace lists as examples of alleged errors in the King James Bible. He tells us that 1 John 5:7 as it stands in the KJB and many other Bibles is wrong and that Hebrews 4:8 where it says &quot;Jesus&quot; and not &quot;Joshua&quot; is also a mistake.

Here is my article on 1 John 5:7 - &quot;the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one&quot;

http://brandplucked.webs.com/1john57.htm

And here is my article on Hebrews 4:8  - Jesus or Joshua?

http://brandplucked.webs.com/heb48jesusorjoshua.htm

Before showing you some examples of why I say Dan Wallace is a NUT, let me address one more point he makes in his article.  

He says: “most textual critics for the past two hundred and fifty years would say that NO DOCTRINE IS AFFECTED (Caps are mine) by these changes. One can get saved reading the KJV and one can get saved reading the NIV, NASB, etc. “

Here I agree with one statement and totally disagree with the other. I agree that one can get saved using any bible version out there in print, no matter how corrupt it may be in many other places.  The gospel of salvation through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His substitutionary death for His people on the cross and His resurrection from the dead is found in ANY bible. You can even find these gospel truths in many Christian songs or concise well written gospel tracts.  I do not at all believe that a person has to be KJB Only in order to be saved.  Not at all.

However there most definitely ARE many doctrines that have been weakened, changed and even perverted in the modern versions. The main one of course is the doctrine of the Infallibility of the Bible itself. Most Christians today do not really believe that ANY Bible in any language IS the infallible words of God.  The polls show this to be true, and these polls are not done by King James Bible believers.

See “The Bible is NOT the inspired and infallible words of God”

http://brandplucked.webs.com/thebiblenotinspired.htm

And secondly, there ARE several fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith that have been changed in these inferior bible versions.  Here are some examples:

&quot;Fake Bible Versions DO teach and pervert several biblical doctrines&quot;,  and the infallibility of the Bible (any bible in any language) is a huge doctrine that most Christians do not believe anymore.

Here are just a few of the perverted doctrines. 

#1. Can God be deceived? The NASB and Dan Wallace’s NET version say that the children of Israel DECEIVED God. Not just &quot;tried to deceive&quot; or &quot;thought they had deceived&quot; but deceived Him. 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/eze149ps7836deceive.htm 

#2. Did the Son of God have an &quot;origin from ancient times&quot; or &quot;his goings forth are from everlasting&quot;? Did He have a beginning or is He eternal?  (Again, the Dan Wallace’s NET version is wrong)

http://brandplucked.webs.com/micah52heb211origin.htm 

#3. Who controls the world, God or Satan?  1 John 5:19

Several modern fake bibles teach it is Satan - Wallace’s NET is wrong.

http://brandplucked.webs.com/satanorgodcontrols.htm 

#4. Is your righteousness before God the fine linen of the righteousness of Christ, or your &quot;righteous deeds&quot; as several fake bibles and the modern Catholic versions teach?  Again, the NET is wrong.

http://brandplucked.webs.com/rev198finelinen.htm

#5.Can man &quot;speed up&quot; the coming of the day of God\'s judgment, or is it already marked by God on the calendar to the day and month?  The NET is wrong again.

http://brandplucked.webs.com/2peter312hastingunto.htm 

&quot;He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.&quot; Luke 8:8

&quot;But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.&quot;  1 Corinthians 14:38

Why Dan Wallace is a NUT  

There is a saying that “If you mess with the Book, God will mess with your mind.” Or as the Bible puts it: “For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise?  where is the scribe?  where is the disputer of this world?  hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?”  1 Corinthians 1:19-20

Here are some of the comments and footnotes that Dan Wallace and company’s NET version makes regarding several passages of Scripture.

Number One - In Daniel 9:26 we have a great prophesy about the death of the Lord Jesus Christ and what His death will accomplish.  In the King James Bible and many others we read: &quot;And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, BUT NOT FOR HIMSELF.&quot;

However Wallace’s NET version with commentary says: &quot;Now after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one will be cut off AND HAVE NOTHING.&quot; Then he footnotes: &quot;The expression &quot;HAVE NOTHING&quot; is difficult. Presumably it refers to an absence of support or assistance for the anointed one at the time of his “cutting off.” The KJV rendering “but not for himself,” apparently suggesting A VICARIOUS DEATH, CANNOT BE DEFENDED.&quot;

This &quot;renowned scholar&quot; admits his own rendering &quot;is difficult&quot;, and &quot;a presumption&quot;, but then he adamantly tells us that the idea of a substitutionary death as found in the King James Bible &quot;cannot be defended&quot;. He is uncertain about his own reading, but certain that the King James Bible got it wrong! Aren\'t Bible correctors a kick in the head? Well, as we shall soon see, a great many Bible commentators, teachers and translators are not at all in agreement with Dr. Wallace\'s opinions.

See the whole article here - 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/dan926messiahcutoff.htm

Number Two - How tall was Goliath the giant?

In 1 Samuel 17:4 the Hebrew texts tell us that the height of Goliath was SIX cubits and a span, which would make him about 9 feet 6 inches tall.  That indeed is a giant.  However the LXX tells us that Goliath was a mere FOUR cubits and a span - &quot;&#8021;&#968;&#959;&#962; &#945;&#8016;&#964;&#959;&#8166; &#964;&#949;&#963;&#963;&#940;&#961;&#969;&#957; &#960;&#942;&#967;&#949;&#969;&#957; &#954;&#945;&#8054; &#963;&#960;&#953;&#952;&#945;&#956;&#8134;&#962;&quot; - which would make him only 6 feet 6 inches tall, which would hardly be much among NBA players today. All Jewish translations, like the JPS 1917 or the Complete Tanach of 2004 or Hebrew Names Bible follow the Hebrew texts and say &quot;six cubits and a span&quot;. A cubit was about 18 inches and a span was the length of an open hand between the tip of the thumb and the tip of the little finger, or about 6 inches.  This means Goliath was around 10 feet tall.  Not even the Message or the NIV 2011 follow the LXX reading here. They agree with the Hebrew text and the KJB as do even the liberal RSV, the NRSV, ESV, 2001-2011, NASB, 1995, Common English Bible 2011, Holman Standard 2003 - &quot;HE WAS NINE FEET, NINE INCHES TALL&quot;, The Voice 2012 and the NKJV. The Modern Greek Bible has now followed the Hebrew reading of &quot;six cubits and a span&quot; instead of the corrupt LXX reading. The Modern Greek Bible says: &#965;&#968;&#959;&#965;&#962; &#949;&#958; &#960;&#951;&#967;&#969;&#957; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#963;&#960;&#953;&#952;&#945;&#956;&#951;&#962;· = &quot;height SIX cubits and a span&quot;
 
However there are a few loonies out there like Daniel Wallace and gang\'s NET version that says: &quot;His name was Goliath; he was from Gath. He was CLOSE TO SEVEN FEET TALL.&quot;  Then in Daniel Wallace and company\'s goofy, faith destroying footnotes they tell us: &quot;Heb “his height was six cubits and a span” (cf. KJV, NASB, NRSV). A cubit was approximately eighteen inches, a span nine inches. So, according to the Hebrew tradition, Goliath was about nine feet, nine inches tall (cf. NIV, CEV, NLT “over nine feet”; NCV “nine feet, four inches”; TEV “nearly 3 metres”). However, some Greek witnesses, Josephus, and a manuscript of 1 Samuel from Qumran read “four cubits and a span” here, that is, about six feet, nine inches (cf. NAB “six and a half feet”). This seems more reasonable; it is likely that Goliath’s height was exaggerated as the story was retold.&quot;!!!   

See Scatterbrained Septuagint Silliness for a further development about the height of Goliath and other examples of what is found in the so called Greek Septuagint, which Dan Wallace\'s NET version often follows instead of the Hebrew texts -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/scatterbrainseptuagint.htm

 Number Three - John 7:8-10 Did Jesus lie or tell the truth?

 In the King James Bible we read: &quot;Go ye up unto this feast: I  go not YET unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come.  When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee.  But when his brethren were gone up, THEN went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.&quot;

The reading of &quot;not yet&quot; (oupw) is that found in the vast Majority of all Greek texts including P66, P75, Vaticanus, L,T, W, Delta and in some Old Latin copies and in the Syriac Peshitta, Harkelian, Palestinian and the Coptic Sahidic and Boharic ancient versions. 

 The old NIVs of 1973, 1978 and 1984 also read this way saying: &quot;I am NOT YET going up to this Feast&quot;.  However now the 2011 NIV  has once again changed its underlying Greek texts and now has Jesus lying to His disciples by saying: &quot;You go to this festival. I AM NOT GOING up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come.&quot;  Dan Wallace\'s NET verion also reads this way.

Daniel Wallace\'s NET version has the Lord saying He is NOT going to the feast, and then going. But the thinking of such &quot;scholars&quot; is revealed in his own footnotes where he says: “Most mss (P66,75 B L T W 070 0105 0250 Ë1,13 Ï sa), including most of the better witnesses, have “not yet” here. Those with the reading &quot;not&quot; (ouk) are not as impressive ( D K 1241 al lat), but &quot;ouk&quot; is the more difficult reading here, especially because it stands in tension with v. 10.&quot; 

So, in other words, because it absurdly makes our Lord Jesus a liar, it must be right!

Wilbur Pickering, who himself is not even a KJB onlyist, comments on this blunder: Serious Anomalies/Aberrations -John 7:8 oupw--P66,75,B,E,F,G,H,L,N,T,W,X,D,Q,Y 070, 0105, 0141, 0250, f1, 13, Byz, Lect, syr p, h, pal, co sa &quot;NOT YET&quot; ; ouk -- À, D, K, P, lat, syr s, c, co bo &quot;NOT&quot;.   Problem: Since Jesus did in fact go to the feast (and doubtless knew what He was going to do), the UBS text has the effect of ascribing a falsehood to Him.

You can see this verse discussed in much more detail here - 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/john78didjesuslie.htm

So far everything we have looked at shows Dan Wallace\'s NET version to be one of the worst Vatican PerVersions on the market  and he certainly is not telling us the truth when he SAYS he believes the Bible is the inspired and inerrant words of God.  Dan Wallace has no such infallible Bible to believe in himself nor to give to anyone else.

That some people actually take this guy seriously shows how far along the prophesied &quot;falling away from the faith&quot; has come. I expect the widespread unbelief in a REAL Bible to only get worse because I DO believe The Bible when it says that the last days will be characterized by &quot;Evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.&quot; 2 Timothy 3:13  

Get yourself a copy of the Authorized King James Holy Bible and ask God, as king David did, to &quot;Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.&quot; (Psalms 119:18) 

By His grace, kept by the power of God through faith and believing The Book = The King James Holy Bible.

Will Kinney, wretched sinner saved by the sovereign grace and mercy of the Lord Jesus Christ who loved me and gave Himself for me.  God bless you.

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&quot;Third, the King James Bible has undergone three revisions since its inception in 1611, incorporating more than 100,000 changes. Which King James Bible is inspired, therefore?&quot;

1. The KJB has been editorially &quot;revised&quot; many times, not merely three times.

2. The editorial revisionary process had to do with correcting typographical errors, standardising the spelling and grammar and other regularisation, including further work on usage of italicising words. None of this constitutes any real change to the VERSION (readings) or to the TRANSLATION (meanings). Any claim of any &quot;meaning&quot; change is actually just clarifying something and ensuring that it is now being presented in line with what was intended all along.

3. The so-called 100,000 changes is not consistent with other numbers being given by others. Such things can include the removal of the Apocrypha, changes to the margins, changes to the italic typeface all the way through to the normal changes of punctuation and spelling that have occurred in the past few centuries of Bible printing. These 100,000 &quot;changes&quot; (whatever they are) are not actual, real changes in the readings and translation of the King James Bible.');
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DO WHAT IS RIGHT REGARDLESS OF THE FALSE

There are some people who do not like to say they are “religious” because some religious people are bad or wrong. Some do not like to say they have some kind of label, like “Pentecostal”, because some are bad or wrong. And so on.

But the proper, Biblical approach would be to use the Bible and mean things the right way, despite wrong doers and despite those who misappropriate terms.

Of course, deception relies upon using the same words with a different meaning, or acting similar with an evil intent: “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep\'s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” (Matthew 7:15). According to Jesus, there must be plenty of false brethren about.

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matthew 7:21–23).

Some have read this in a way to condemn Pentecostalism. They have seen excesses, hype and manufactured revivals. But the point of the passage is that true believers do these things also, but do so from a true heart.

The devil can give power to people give false prophesies and the like, but that should not negate true words being given. If people are stopped (out of fear or deception) then actually Satan has a victory there.

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RUSSIA IS MOVING TOWARD MUSLIMS AND AGAINST THE BIBLE

The Russia Today website (rt.com) is a major propaganda arm of the Russian way. In one of the programs they host, called “The Truthseeker” by Daniel Bushell, they made a presentation called “World War III, Greater Israel and the Real Axis Of Evil”. The first thing to say about this is that I do not take it all entirely seriously. To do so would be madness.

“There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.” (1 Corinthians 14:10).

The reason why I point to this presentation is because it is full of all kinds of errors, blatant anti-Americanism and most disturbingly — an overt and deliberate anti-Israel view.

The following screen capture shows how much they are scaremongering, saying that Israel has imperialistic designs on half of the Middle East:

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And with Muslims speaking out so favourably of Russia, it might be opportune to quote this verse: “Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.” (Luke 6:26).

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BABYLON

“That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.” (Isaiah 14:4, 5).

In the Old Testament, Babylon was a great ruling city. However, the Bible also prophesied of its fall.

But more importantly, it showed the spiritual powers behind the scenes: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” (Isaiah 14:12).

In Revelation every honest commentator admits there is a description of Rome. It calls Rome “Babylon”. Now, if Babylon in the Old Testament was a wicked place with Satan behind it, it implies the same for Rome.

The correct understanding of the term “Babylon” is to identify the religious link between pagan religion, and Rome’s religion. Rome’s religion was heathen, and after the conversion of the Roman Empire, paganism was fused with Christianity, creating a false form of Christianity.

Thankfully, in Revelation 18, many understand that this means one day Rome — and its religion — is to come to an end.

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AWAKENING THE SINNER

“Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.” (Romans 7:13).

People need to have some sort of spiritual education as to what the law of God is. If they don’t know, the Holy Ghost does not have a proper basis to address their conscience. As their conscience is a awakened to the reality of God’s law, they also need to understanding that their present life and eternal consequences are linked to their state: being outside of God is a condemned state.

“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” (John 3:18).

If is as if people are already before God the judge. We know that one day there will be a great judgment on creation, but the way to escape it is to believe on Christ as having taken our place.

“Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?” (Romans 2:4).

As a person becomes aware of God’s mercy, that God will forgive them because of Christ’s substitution, then that person should take the necessary verbal and inner steps, in confessing they are in sin and accepting Christ as their saviour (thereby confessing Christ), and also believing in their hearts the reality of the redemption work through His death and resurrection.

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THE FRENCH

The Franks were a Germanic tribe, who would fight for the Romans. Constantine had Franks with him when he took Rome. Later, the Franks occupied Gaul, and this became France. Their language developed, and was adopted by the Normans who had settled in Normandy. These then came into England, and consequently, the English invaded France.

In the time of the Reformation, the Crown of England also claimed to be over France. At the beginning of the King James Bible it states that King James was the King of France. In practice, of course, the French had all these Louises. And then the Revolution came.

In France they specifically resist the English language. Even though English is the linga franca of the world, there has been a matter of national pride, etc., in French resistance.

The Bible is, of course, in French (e.g. Olivetan, Segond), but considering the Christian element in English-speaking nations, and the exactness of the King James Bible, it follows that the spread of English to the French is not a bad thing at all, but quite beneficial.

“But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith” (Rom. 16:26).

There are three French “nations” which lay in the vicinity of Australia:

1. New Caledonia.
2. Wallis and Futuna.
3. French Polynesia.

While Roman Catholicism, and doubtless Protestant missionaries, have come in the past, there needs to be a missionary aim, after ramping up evangelical prowess in Australia and New Zealand, to convert these people.

“Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment. And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.” (Job 38:12–15).

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In the meantime, you can look at some information on the subject. Start with this video: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEkHdYzQORc[/url] and then look for others on Daniel and Revelation on the Bible Protector youtube channel.

There are lots of free books about prophecy online. Here are some which are of the Historicist interpretation:

Mede, Joseph, 1627, Key to the Apocalypse (Cooper translation of 1833), J. G. &amp; F. Rivington, London, UK.
Newton, Sir Isaac, 1733, Observations upon the prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John, Darby and Brown, London, UK.
Daubuz, Charles, 1730, Perpetual Commentary: Lancaster’s Abridged Edition, W. Innys, London, UK.
Newton, Bishop Thomas, 1754, Dissertations on the Prophecies, J. &amp; R. Tonson, London, UK.
Faber, George S., 1808–18, Dissertation (three volumes), F. C. &amp; J. Rivington, London, UK.
Faber, George S., 1809, General and Connected View of the Prophecies, William Andrews, Boston, MA, USA.
Faber, George S., 1828, The Sacred Calendar (three volumes), C. &amp; J. Rivington, London, UK.
Faber, George S., 1844, Eight Dissertations (two volumes), Seeley, Burnside and Seeley, London, UK.
Frere, James Hatley, 1815, A Combined View of the Prophecies (second edition), J. Hatchard, London, UK.
Frere, James Hatley, 1850, Notes Forming a Brief Interpretation, J. Hatchard &amp; Son, London, UK.
Bickersteth, E., 1835, A Practical Guide (seventh edition), R. B. Seeley &amp; W. Burnside, London, UK.
Birks, T. R., 1843, The First Elements of Sacred Prophecy, William Edward Painter, London, UK.
Birks, T. R., 1844, The Four Prophetic Empires, Seeley, London, UK.
Birks, T. R., 1846, Two Later Visions of Daniel, Seeley, Burnside and Seeley, London, UK.
Elliot, E. B., 1844–62, Horæ Apocalypticæ, Seeley, Jackson and Halliday, London, UK.
Cuninghame, William, 1832, A Dissertation of the Seals and Trumpets (third edition), Thomas Cadell, London, UK.
Cuninghame, William, 1836, The Fulness of the Times, James Nisbet &amp; Co., Hatchard &amp; Son, Seeley &amp; Sons, London, UK.
Cuninghame, William, 1847, The Fulfilling of the Times, Seeley, Burnside and Seeley, London, UK.
Barnes, Albert, 1852, Notes ... Revelation, Harper &amp; Brothers, New York, NY, USA.
Barnes, Albert, 1853, Notes ... Daniel, Leavitt &amp; Allen, New York, NY, USA.
Johnson, B. W., 1881, Vision of the Ages, Christian Board of Publication, St Louis, MO, USA.');
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THE ATTACK ON THE PERFECTION OF THE KING JAMES BIBLE

There is nothing “natural” and “normal” in the reaction that people have against the perfection of the King James Bible.

These people who speak against the KJB, they go down a slope into absolute extremism, trying to say things wrong with the KJB, and to say bad things about it.

What is motivating them to speak, and to making up accusations against the KJB? (So often, the things they say are just not true.)

“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” (John 8:44).

But we have the victory:

“No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.” (Isaiah 54:17).

And again:

“Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.” (1 John 4:4–6).

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FAITH FOR FRUITFULNESS

Over and again, the Bible quotes God saying, “Be fruitful, and multiply”.

He told that to Adam and Eve. He told that to Noah’s family. He told that to Jacob.

But we also see a spiritual interpretation.

“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel” (Romans 9:6).

This means that the promise of fruit is not just natural descendants and prosperity, but also about getting people saved and into the kingdom of God.

The Church must have fruit.

“Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.” (John 15:16).

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Is there a difference between the nouns belief and faith?

I\'ve heard they are the same; or, one refers to the soul, the other to the spirit; or, one is from the person while faith is from God.
Not too sure, so I thought I would ask here.

Would it be correct to interpret Rom 10:17 as, \'faith comes from belief of the word of God?\'');
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&quot;So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.&quot; (Romans 10:17). This means that our inner man ears must be open to actually hearing and believing what God has to say. Faith will then come but action is needed as the next verse below illustrates.

&quot;When Jesus [b:683e7148a3]saw their faith[/b:683e7148a3], he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.&quot; (Mark 2:5). Jesus &quot;saw their faith&quot; through their actions based on their belief that He was the Healer and power was available to heal.

Of course, if spiritual ears are not open, then faith in God will be inactive: &quot;For this people\'s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.&quot; (Matthew 13:15).');
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&quot;When Jesus [b:e78a919188]saw their faith[/b:e78a919188], he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.&quot; (Mark 2:5). Jesus &quot;saw their faith&quot; through their actions based on their belief that He was the Healer and power was available to heal.[/quote:e78a919188]
One may have belief, but that belief must be acted upon?
Faith can be said to be \'belief on\' or \'belief in\'?
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I was thinking that faith is defined in verses that use \'believe in\' and \'believe on\'.');
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&quot;Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and[b:9ff3be0d9f] I will shew thee my faith by my works[/b:9ff3be0d9f]. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well:[b:9ff3be0d9f] the devils also believe, and tremble[/b:9ff3be0d9f].&quot; (James 2:18,19).

We know the devils are certainly not doing the works of God, yet they believe.

&quot;Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.&quot; (John 6:57). This verse speaks of a person believing on Christ as his personal Saviour, thus his foundation in life - thus, he must from the time of being born again continue on in faith in Christ. It is ridiculous to think that a person could believe on Christ, yet not go on to obey Him in the Christian life [&quot;If ye love me, [b:9ff3be0d9f]keep my commandments[/b:9ff3be0d9f].&quot; (John 14:15). &quot;For we are his workmanship, [b:9ff3be0d9f]created in Christ Jesus unto good works[/b:9ff3be0d9f], which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.&quot; (Ephesians 2:10). &quot;And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?&quot; (Luk6:46)].');
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The Jehovah Witnesses have their own bible version and their own peculiar beliefs - such as denying the eternal deity of the Lord Jesus Christ and the reality of hell - but their ever changing “bible” version has a lot in common with the new Vatican Versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB.  All of them are based on the same UBS (United Bible Society) / Nestle-Aland critical Greek text that omits literally about 3000 words from the New Testament Reformation Bibles like the King James Bible. 
 
 All of these “bibles” are continually being “revised”. The NASB has been revised some 10 times from 1960 to 1995. The ESV has come out with 3 different versions in just 10 years (2001, 2007 and 2012) and the NIV has had 4 different versions printed (1973, 78, 84 and 2011) and in each of them these versions continue to change both their English translation and even the underlying Greek and Hebrew texts.  
 
The new Revised New World Translation is the 4th different edition to com out since 1961. © 1961, 1981, 1984,  2013  
 
One Jehovah Witness blogger enthusiastically writes in favor of this new revision - “Because so many unnecessary words have been chopped from the text, this has resulted in a reduced total word count from approximately 907,000 words to 786,000 – a 13% reduction!”
 
http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/the-revised-new-world-translation-will-it-stand-the-test-of-time
 
This constantly changing United Bible Society/Nestle-Aland critical Greek text is directly influenced by the Vatican in order to create an “inter confessional” text to unite “the separated brethren” with a common New Testament text.
 
Here is what the JWs say about the Greek text used in their Revised New World Translation.
 
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001061203#p10
 
Greek Text: In the late 19th century, scholars B. F. Westcott and F.J.A. Hort compared existing Bible manuscripts and fragments as they prepared the Greek master text that they felt most closely reflected the original writings. In the mid-20th century, the New World Bible Translation Committee used that master text as the basis for its translation. Other early papyri, thought to date back to the second and third centuries C.E., were also used. Since then, more papyri have become available. In addition, master texts such as those by Nestle and Aland and by the United Bible Societies reflect recent scholarly studies. Some of the findings of this research were incorporated into this present revision.

Based on those master texts, it is evident that some verses of the Christian Greek Scriptures found in older translations, such as the King James Version, were actually additions made by later copyists and were never part of the inspired Scriptures. However, because the verse division generally accepted in Bible translations was already established in the 16th century, the omission of these verses now creates gaps in the verse numbering in most Bibles. The verses are Matthew 17:21; 18:11; 23:14; Mark 7:16; 9:44, 46; 11:26; 15:28; Luke 17:36; 23:17; John 5:4; Acts 8:37; 15:34; 24:7; 28:29; and Romans 16:24. In this revised edition, those omitted verses are indicated by a footnote at the location of the omission.

Regarding the long conclusion for Mark 16 (verses 9-20), the short conclusion for Mark 16, and the wording found at John 7:53–8:11, it is evident that none of these verses were included in the original manuscripts. Therefore, those spurious texts have not been included in this revision.”  (End of notes from the JW website)

As a result, the Jehovah Witness Revised New World Translation omits the same 17 entire verses from the New Testament, plus it omits some 25 more (Mark 16:9-20; John 7:53-8:11) just like the RSV did and as the Sinaiticus and Vaticanus manuscripts do, and it omits hundreds of other words and phrases, just like the ESV, NIV, NASB and the modern Catholic versions like St. Joseph NAB and the New Jerusalem bible 1985.

ALL these verses are omitted by the Catholic New Jerusalem bible 1985 AND by the RSV, ESV, NIV, NASB, NET, the Jehovah Witness New World Translation etc.  The Holman Standard puts them all in brackets, indicating doubt as to their authenticity.
 
Matthew 17:21- “Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.” (All omit)
 
Matthew 18:11 - “For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.” (All omit)
 
Matthew 23:14-  “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!  for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.” (All omit)
 
Mark  7:16 - “If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.” (All omit_
 
Mark 9:44 - “Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.” (All omit)
 
Mark 9:46 - “Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.” (All omit)
 
Mark 11:26 -  “But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.” (All omit)
 
Mark 15:28 - “And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.” (All omit)
 
Luke  17:36 - “Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.” (All omit)
 
Luke 23:17 - “For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.” (All omit)
 
John  5:4 - “For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.” (All omit)
 
Acts  8:37 - “And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” (All omit)
 
Acts 15:34 - “Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still.” (All omit)
      
Acts 24:6b to 8a - “and would have judged according to our law.  But the chief captain Lysias came upon us, and with great violence took him away out of our hands, Commanding his accusers to come unto thee” (All omit)
 
Acts 28:29 -”And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.” (All omit)
 
Romans - 16:24 “The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.” (All omit)
 
I John 5:7-8 - omits the words: “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth” (All omit)

See  Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET etc. are  the new &quot;Vatican Versions&quot;
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/realcatholicbibles.htm
 
For a verse and word comparison study where you will see many of the literally thousands of words that have been omitted in these recent Vatican Versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB and in the modern Catholic versions and in the Jehovah Witness Revised New World Translation see the charts here in Part Two of Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB are the new Vatican Versions.
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/esvcatholicpart2.htm
 
The Name Jehovah
 
One of the things the JWs are known for is their emphasis on the name Jehovah. The King James Bible itself does use the name Jehovah some seven times, but usually translates it as either GOD or LORD in capital letters, to distinguish it from the Hebrew El or Adonai, which are translated as God or Lord, with only the first letter being capitalized.
 
I agree with them that one of the divine names is Jehovah and not Yahweh or Yave, Yahawah, Yahovah or some other variation that is being tossed around in today’s Bible Babble Buffet versions that are on the market.  But there are very good reasons for not always translating the name as Jehovah and one of the main ones is that the Bible itself interchanges the name Jehovah with Adonai or El. 
 
See my study on this called The significance of the name JEHOVAH
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/jehovah.htm
 
This is what the Jehovah witness’s own site says regarding the Name of Jehovah - 
 
The Divine Name in the Christian Greek Scriptures

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1001061205

“Bible scholars acknowledge that God’s personal name, as represented by the Tetragrammaton (&#1497;&#1492;&#1493;&#1492;), appears almost 7,000 times in the original text of the Hebrew Scriptures. However, many feel that it did not appear in the original text of the Christian Greek Scriptures. For this reason, most modern English Bibles do not use the name Jehovah when translating the so-called New Testament. Even when translating quotations from the Hebrew Scriptures in which the Tetragrammaton appears, most translators use “Lord” rather than God’s personal name.

The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures does not follow this common practice. It uses the name Jehovah a total of 237 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures. In deciding to do this, the translators took into consideration two important factors: (1) The Greek manuscripts we possess today are not the originals. Of the thousands of copies in existence today, most were made at least two centuries after the originals were composed. (2) By that time, those copying the manuscripts either replaced the Tetragrammaton with Ky&#8242;ri·os, the Greek word for “Lord,” or they copied from manuscripts where this had already been done.” (End of quotes)

What the J.W.s have done is to put the name Jehovah some 237 times into the New Testament, but never when it refers to Christ, when in fact it does not occur in any Greek texts available.  They basically speculate that it may have originally appeared and later was removed.  With this sort of mentality, you can virtually make the bible say anything you want it to say.  

Since the JWs do not believe in the Trinity they deliberately mistranslate several passages that deal with the deity of Christ (John 1:1; 8:58; Hebrews 1:8); they use the Nestle-Aland critical text, which omits the strongest verse on the Trinity in 1 John 5:7 &quot;the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one&quot; (as do the ESV, NIV, NASB); and like the ESV, NIV, NASB replace &quot;GOD was manifest in the flesh&quot; in 1 Timothy 3:16 to &quot;He was made manifest in flesh&quot; (Everybody has been manifest in the flesh; so what?), and they downgrade the Spirit of God in places like Genesis 1:2 &quot;And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters&quot; to &quot;and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters.&quot;

Jehovah Witnesses do not believe in the reality of hell and so this word has been completely removed from their &quot;bible&quot; version, but many modern versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB are not far behind in removing this word from both the Old and New Testaments either.  HELL (whole Bible) KJB - 53 times; NKJV - 32; NASB -13; ESV - 14; NIV - 13

The previous New World Translation used the words Sheol and Hades a lot (as do several modern versions) but have changed these words to now read &quot;the grave&quot;.

Here is an example.  In Psalms 9:17 in the King James Bible we read: &quot;The wicked shall be turned into HELL, and all nations that forget God.&quot;  

The previous NWT 1961 read: &quot;Wicked people will turn back to SHEOL, Even all the nations that forget God.&quot;

But the 2013 Revision now reads: &quot; The wicked will retreat toward the GRAVE, All the nations who forget God.&quot;

Psalm 9:17

King James Bible - &quot;The wicked shall be turned into HELL, and all the nations that forget God.&quot;

NIV - &quot;The wicked RETURN TO THE GRAVE, all the nations that forget God.&quot;

There are two big problems with the NIV rendering here. First, you can only RETURN TO someplace you have already been before. Does the NIV teach reincarnation? You can teach it using the NIV, but you cannot get the doctrine of reincarnation from the King James Bible.

Second, most everyone, the wicked and the righteous, go to the grave. So what else is new? The context is the fate of the wicked, and it is not the same as that of the righteous. The NIV rendering is silly at best, and diabolical at worst.

NASB, ESV 2001 - &quot;The wicked will RETURN TO SHEOL, even all the nations who forget God.&quot;

The NASB, ESV have two similar problems. How do people return to someplace if they have not been there before? Also what in the world is Sheol? Many criticize the KJB for being hard to understand, but how many of them know what Sheol is? And again there is no distinction between the wicked and the righteous in the NASB rendering. The liberal RSV has: &quot;The wicked shall depart to Sheol&quot;, the ESV 2011 is similar with &quot;the wicked shall RETURN to Sheol&quot; and the Catholic New Jerusalem bible of 1985 has: &quot;May the wicked turn away to Sheol.&quot;

For a more in depth study of the word &quot;hell&quot; in the Bible please see \'Hell and Damnation in the King James Bible\' -
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/helldamnation.htm 

Thankfully, you do not need to help support the JWs by buying one of their new Revised versions. You can actually see it online here - 
 
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/
 
Here are a few of the places where the Jehovah Witness Revised New World Translation rejects the Hebrew readings and replaces them with either the so called Greek Septuagint, the Syriac or mere speculation.
 
Compare also the modern Catholic versions and the new Vatican Versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB.  The Jehovah Witness Revised New World Translation will be indicated by the letters JWRNWT.

 
1 Samuel 13:1  Here we read: “Saul reigned ONE year; and when he had reigned TWO years over Israel, Saul chose him three thousand men of Israel.”  reading - ONE/TWO years (NKJV, KJB, Geneva, Judaica Press Tanach, Orthodox Jewish Bible), or 40/32 (NASB 1972-77) or 30/42 (NASB 1995, NIV),  OR 30 years/ 40 years (NET) or _____years and______and two years (RSV, NRSV, ESV 2001 edition, St. Joseph New American Bible 1970, Catholic New Jerusalem 1985), or &quot;was 40 years old...and when he had reigned 2 years&quot; (Amplified bible  1987) or &quot;____years old and reigned 2 years&quot; (Complete Jewish bible, Knox bible) or &quot;was 30 years old...ruled for 42 years&quot; (ISV, Common English Bible) or “32 years old...reigned for 22 years” in the 1989 Revised English Bible, or as the Jehovah Witness New World Translation has it - I Samuel 13:1 - “Saul was . . .* years old when he became king, and for two years he reigned over Israel. “  Footnote: The number is missing in the Hebrew text.&quot; or even &quot;was 50 years old and reigned 22 years.&quot; in the New English Bible of 1970! 
 
But wait.  There\'s even more. The ESV 2001 edition had &quot;Saul was________years old when he began to reign, and he reigned____and two years over Israel.&quot;  But now the 2011 edition of the ESV has come out (I have a hard copy right here in front of me) and it now has the perhaps even more ridiculous reading of &quot;Saul LIVED FOR ONE YEAR AND THEN BECAME KING, and when he had reigned FOR TWO YEARS over Israel, Saul chose 3000 men of Israel...&quot;.  Think about it. &quot;Saul lived for one year and then became king&quot;.  They just get loopier and loopier, don\'t they?
JWRNWT - I Samuel 13:1 - “Saul was . . . years old when he became king, and for two years he reigned over Israel. “  Footnote: The number is missing in the Hebrew text.
 
The truth of the matter is that there is no missing number in the Hebrew text and the King James Bible is right. Here is why -
http://brandplucked.webs.com/1samuel131wordslost.htm

or in Matthew 18:22 does the Lord say to forgive your brother not “until 7 times, but unto 70 times 7 times” (= 490 times) - KJB, RV, ASV, NASB, NKJV, RSV, ESV, ISV, Douay-Rheims, St. Joseph NAB, ALL Greek texts) or 77 times (NRSV, NIV, Catholic New Jerusalem)
 
JWNWT - “Jesus said to him: “I say to you, not up to seven times, but up to 77 times.”
 
or the 7th day in Judges 14:15 (Hebrew text, KJB, NKJV, RV, ASV, Douay-Rheims) or the 4th day (LXX, RSV, ESV, NASB, NIV, NET, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem) or &quot;the NEXT day&quot; ISV (they just made this up!)
 
JWRNWT - “On THE FOURTH DAY, they said to Samson’s wife: “Trick your husband+ so that he will tell us the answer to the riddle. Otherwise, we will burn you and your father’s house with fire. Did you invite us here to take our possessions?”
 
Or Hannah taking young Samuel to the house of the LORD with THREE bullocks  in 1 Samuel 1:24 (KJB, Hebrew texts, RV, ASV, JPS 1917, NKJV, Youngs, NET, Douay-Rheims) or “A THREE YEAR OLD BULL: (LXX, Syriac RSV, ESV, NIV, NASB, ISV, Holman, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem)   JWRNWT - “As soon as she had weaned him, she took him up to Shi&#8242;loh, along with A THREE-YEAR OLD BULL, one e&#8242;phah of flour…”
   
2 Samuel 15:7 “forty years” (KJB, Hebrew, Geneva, NKJV, NASB, RV, Douay-Rheims) OR “four years” (Greek, Syriac, NIV, RSV, ESV, NET, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem).  The ISV ADDS words to the Hebrew text to make it say what they think it means, saying: &quot;And so it was that forty years after Israel had demanded a king,Absalom asked the king...&quot;
 
JWRNWT - “At the end of FOUR years, Ab&#8242;sa·lom said to the king: “Let me go, please, to Heb&#8242;ron to pay my vow that I made to Jehovah.” Footnote - Or possibly, 40 years.”
 
or whether 1 Kings 4:26 reads 40,000 stalls of horses (Hebrew, KJB, RV, ASV, RSV,  NRSV, NASB, ESV, NKJV, ISV, Douay-Rheims, Jehovah Witness NWT 1961 edition) or 4,000 stalls (SOME LXX copies, NIV, NET, St. Joseph NAB, Catholic New Jerusalem, NWT 2013 edition)
 
JWRMWT 2013 edition - “And Sol&#8242;o·mon had 4,000 stalls of horses for his chariots and 12,000 horses.”  This is one of the places where the new Revised NWT changes the Hebrew reading of 40,000 found in the previous New World Translations for the  reading of 4,000 that is found in SOME copies of the LXX.

or where 2 Chronicles 36:9 reads that Jehoiachin was 8 years old when he began to reign (Hebrew texts, KJB, NASB, NKJV, RV, ASV, KJB, RSV, NRSV, ESV 2001 edition, ISV, Douay-Rheims) or he was 18 years old (LXX, NIV, Holman, NET, ESV 2007 edition!!! and once again the Catholic St. Joseph NAB and the  New Jerusalem)
 
JWRNWT - “Je·hoi&#8242;a·chin was 18 years old when he became king”
 
or that when God raised the Lord Jesus from the dead it is stated in Acts 13:33 “this day have I begotten thee” (KJB, NASB, NKJV, RV, RSV, NRSV, ESV, Douay-Rheims, St. Joseph NAB) or “today I have become your Father” (NIV, Holman, NET, ISV, Catholic New Jerusalem).
 
JWRNWT - God has completely fulfilled it to us, their children, by resurrecting Jesus; just as it is written in the second psalm: ‘You are my son; today I HAVE BECOME YOUR FATHER.”   
 
In this verse God is talking about the Resurrection of Christ and it was on that day that God begat Him from the dead and He became “the first-begotten from the dead” (Rev. 1:5) and “the first born from the dead” (Col. 1:18)
 
Since the JWs deny the full deity of the Son of God, they have completely paraphrased the Greek wording found in Acts 13:33 in ALL texts.  There is NO Greek text anywhere on this earth that says “Today I HAVE BECOME YOUR FATHER.” 
 
They all say “Today I HAVE BEGOTTEN THEE.” and the verse itself and the context as found in the true Bible tells us that God is speaking about the Resurrection of Christ from the dead. “God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children IN THAT HE HATH RAISED UP JESUS AGAIN; as it is written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.  And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to see corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.”  Acts 13:33-34.
 
For a much more developed article on this verse see - 
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/acts1333thisdaybegotte.htm
 
Another change that has been made in the recent JW revision is the omission of the perfectly good and accurate English word “fornication”, which means sexual intercourse among unmarried people, and replacing it with the vague and “you fill in the definition” phrase of “sexual immorality”.
 
This has also happened in many of today’s modern versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB and the modern Catholic versions.  See Fornication or Immorality?
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/fornicationimmoral.htm
 
We all know that the JWs deny the Godhead of our Lord Jesus Christ and we still see the weakening of this doctrine in such passages as John 1:1, John 8:58 and Hebrews 1:6-8.
 
John 1:1 KJB - “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
 
John 1:1 - JWRNWT - “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,  and the Word was a god.”
 
John 8:58 KJB - “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.”  Thus tying the Lord Jesus Christ to Jehovah God in Exodus 3:14 “And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM.”
 
John 8:58 JWRNWT - “Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I HAVE BEEN.”  (There is no possible way the Greek words  &quot;&#7952;&#947;&#8060; &#949;&#7984;&#956;&#943; - ego eimi&quot; can remotely be translated as “I have been”.
 
Hebrews 1:6-8 KJB - “And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God WORSHIP him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But UNTO the Son he saith, Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.”
 
Hebrews 1:6-8 JWRNWT - “But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels DO OBEISANCE TO him.”
 
 Also, he says about the angels: “He makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.”  But ABOUT the Son, he says: “GOD IS YOUR THRONE forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.” (Again, there is NO Greek text that reads this way at all. They all read: &quot;&#960;&#961;&#8056;&#962; &#948;&#8050; &#964;&#8056;&#957; &#965;&#7985;&#972;&#957;, &#8009; &#952;&#961;&#972;&#957;&#959;&#962; &#963;&#959;&#965;, &#8001; &#952;&#949;&#972;&#962;, &#949;&#7984;&#962; &#964;&#8056;&#957; &#945;&#7984;&#8182;&#957;&#945; &#964;&#959;&#8166; &#945;&#7984;&#8182;&#957;&#959;&#962;&quot; = Thy_ throne, O God, is for ever and ever)
 
But there are other Scriptures where this truth of the eternal deity of our Lord Jesus Christ is weakened or denied by the modern Vatican Versions as well as in the Jehovah Witness New World Translations.   Places like Micah 5:2; John 1:18 and Philippians 2:5-7
 
Micah 5:2 KJB - “&quot;But thou Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; WHOSE GOINGS FORTH have been of old, FROM EVERLASTING.&quot;
 
Micah 5:2 New World Translation 1961 Edition - “&quot;And you, O Bethlehem Ephrahah, the one too little TO GET TO be among the thousands of Judah, from you there will come out TO me the one WHO IS TO BECOME ruler in Israel, WHOSE ORIGIN IS FROM EARLY TIMES, FROM THE DAYS OF TIME INDEFINITE.&quot;
 
Micah 5:2 JWRNWT 2013 Edition - “ And you, O Beth&#8242;le·hem Eph&#8242;ra·thah, The one too little to be among the thousands of Judah, From you will come out FOR me the one to be ruler in Israel, Whose origin is from ANCIENT TIMES, from the days of LONG AGO.”
 
The NIV 1984, 2011 Editions - &quot;But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose ORIGINS are from of old, FROM ANCIENT TIMES.&quot;

ESV 2001 Edition - “&quot;But you, O Bethlehem Eph\'rathah, who are little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose ORIGIN is from of old, FROM ANCIENT DAYS.&quot;

The Lord Jesus Christ does NOT have an “origin” and he is “from everlasting” not merely “from ancient times”. 

The King James Bible is right, as always. See much more on this verse here - 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/micah52heb211origin.htm

John 1:18 “&quot;No man hath seen God at any time; THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.&quot;

John 1:18 JWRNWT - “No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side  is the one who has explained Him.”
 
Notice that the JW version has “the only begotten god”. This is both a textual and an translational error, but there is massive confusion among the modern Vatican Versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB with some of them giving us three different translations within just a few years.
 
1. &quot;the only God..has made him known” English Standard Version 2001 
 
2. &quot;The only begotten God…he has explained him. NASB

3. &quot;God the only Son&quot; NIV 1973

4. &quot;God the One and Only&quot; NIV 1984 

5. &quot;but the one and only Son, who is himself God&quot;  NIV 2011 

How many God’s are there? And if there are two Gods, as many modern versions teach, is one inferior to the other?  The King James Bible is right, and here is why -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/john118begottenson.htm

Phillipians 2:5-7 KJB - “&quot;Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD: but MADE HIMSELF OF NO REPUTATION, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.&quot;
 
Phillipians 2:5-7 JWRNWT - “Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, GAVE NO CONSIDERATION TO A SEIZURE, NAMELY, THAT HE SHOULD BE EQUAL TO GOD.  No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human.”
 
NIV 1984 edition - &quot;Who being in very nature God, DID NOT CONSIDER EQUALITY WITH GOD A THING TO BE GRASPED, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

ESV 2011 edition - “DID NOT COUNT EQUALITY WITH GOD A THING TO BE GRASPED, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant.”

NASB &quot; DID NOT REGARD EQUALITY WITH GOD A THING TO BE GRASPED”

The King James Bible teaches that Jesus was God; these fake bible versions teach that he did not even try to be God.  See why the King James Bible is right here -

http://brandplucked.webs.com/phil2notrobbery.htm

The Jehovah Witnesses\' ever changing &quot;bible&quot; is just another in a long line of corrupt and inferior versions that have been coming down the line in the last 130 years or so. It is ironic that many Christians who use the modern versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman, NET and others will immediately condemn the Jehovah Witness New World Translation as &quot;corrupt&quot; and yet their own modern versions are based on the same Nestle-Aland, UBS - Vatican directed, ever changing Critical Greek Text.  These new versions share the same translation philosophy (we need to update the language), the same corrupt texts, reject numerous Hebrew readings and translate many passages in the same way.  And nobody seriously believes that any of them are the complete, inspired and 100% true and infallible words of the living God.  

May I suggest you get the Book God has abundantly born witness to like no other and the only one believed by multiplied thousands of blood bought saints of God to be His inerrant words  - the Authorized King James Holy Bible.

&quot;Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.&quot;  Jeremiah 15:16

All of grace, believing the Book,

 Will Kinney

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However, we should not give these heretics credence by letting them dishonor God by calling themselves &quot;Jehovah\'s Witnesses&quot;. Their correct name is &quot;Russellites&quot;, derived from their founder. I stopped calling them &quot;Jehovah\'s Witnesses&quot; years ago.');
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THE WORD COMING IN

“Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom” (Col. 3:16).

Accepting in the fulness of the Word of God is a good thing.

“I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.” (Rev. 3:15, 16).

The Word of God has a message today for the Christians, for the present time church, to fully go for the Word of God, to have it exactly, perfectly and fully.

This is because many say that the King James Bible is good, but they prefer modern versions. It is not as if they don’t have the Bible at all, but they are not all out for the truth of the perfection of the KJB.

“Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked” (Rev. 3:17).

Many think that they have many versions, many translations, many books of many scholars, and that all the teaching that they have is a blessing. But it is not a blessing as they think, because they are in a very spiritually weak condition, with no joy in the Word, and lacking the Word, and not seeing the truth, and without attainment of good true things.

“I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.” (Rev. 3:18).

What is the gold tried with fire, but the pure Word of God? And He wants us to have riches, to be with knowledge, and to have proper discernment and judgment.

“As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.” (Rev. 3:19).

Worldliness and carnality in the Church is a huge problem.

Jesus’ words are at hand: “Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.” (Rev. 3:20).

The pure Word is available, and great blessing with it, but every Christian needs to open the door of their heart, every congregation, and the entire present day Church needs to respond to accepting having the pure Word of God come in their midst: very great super abundant blessing follows.

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STRONG DELUSION

“And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie” (2 Thessalonians 2:11).

The Russellites (so-called “Jehovah’s Witnesses”) use arguments against the King James Bible. They are the same arguments that the Romanists, Orthodox and various other Christians use against the King James Bible.

This quote from Smith Wigglesworth is interesting, from, “Preparation for the Second Coming of the Lord Part 1”, 11 August 1927 at Angelus Temple.
‘These are last days. What will be the strongest confirmation for me to bring to you of the last days?
‘There are in the world two classes of believers. There are believers which are disobedient, or I ought to say there are children which are saved by the power of God which are disobedient children. And there are children which are just the same saved by the power of God who all the time are longing to be more obedient. 
‘In this great fact Satan has a great part to play. It is on this factor in these last years that some of us have been brought to great grief at the first opening of the door with brazen fact to carnality forces. And we heard the word come rushing, through all over, “new theology” that damnable, devilish, evil power that lived in some of these disobedient children, which in these last days opened the door to the next thing.
‘As soon as this was noised abroad everywhere, “new theology,” everybody began to say, ”What is new theology?” Why, new theology is exactly on the same plane as being changed from monkeys to men. What does it mean? I want to make a clear sweep of that thing this morning. There is not a man can think on those lines only on atheism. Every person that touches a thing like that is an atheist behind all he has to say.
‘New theology was born in infidelity. It is atheism, and it opened the door for Russellism, which is full of false prophecy. Take the book of Russellism and go into, the prophecy. What was the prophecy? In 1924 the prophecy was that the Lord had to come. Russellism is false prophecy. Russellism is exactly the perfect plan of what will make the man of sin come forth. Russellism is preparing the door for the man of sin and they are receiving open-heartedly.
‘They declared that He would come in 1914. I went to see a dear beloved brother of mine who was so deluded by this false prophecy that he was utterly deceived by it. I said, “You will be deceived as sure as you live.”
‘They said, “We are so sure it is true that if we are deceived we will give up all Russellism and have nothing to do with it.”
‘But what does false prophecy do? [i:e6592b6f11]False prophecy always makes a way out.[/i:e6592b6f11] The moment it did not come to pass they said they were mistaken in dates. What is the devil? If it had been a true prophecy He would have come. And the Word of God says if any prophecy does not come true that prophet has to prophesy no more.
‘But those people were deluded by the spirit of this world and the devil, which is the spirit of this world, and instantly allowed themselves to be gripped again, and the same prophet came forth saying that He was going to come in 1925.
‘In order to cover that, what did they do? They placarded in every nation, almost, in big cities, “Millions alive that will never, die.” And they have been going at that now since 1925, and they are dying all the time, and their prophecy is still a cursed, evil prophecy. Still they go on.
‘The spirit of this age is to get you to believe a lie. If you believe a lie, you cannot believe the truth When once you are seasoned with a lie against the Word of God, He sends you strong delusion that you shall believe a lie. Who does? God does. God is gracious over His Word His Word is from everlasting His Word is true.’

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2578', '7b07988e30', 'James White on Luke 23:34 - “Father, forgive them; for they', 'James White on Luke 23:34 - “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.”

James White (big surprise;-) is now denying that this saying of Jesus is inspired Scripture (big surprise;-) He says &quot;there is a huge amount of doubt attached to it&quot; and he equally denies that John 7:53 to John 8:11 (the woman taken in adultery) is inspired Scripture along with John 5:4 and Mark 16:9-20.  He says he would not preach on these things but would skip them.

See his short 6 minute video here where he tells us these verses are not part of the inspired Bible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWiY32bb2K8

Luke 23:34 - &quot;THEN SAID JESUS, FATHER, FORGIVE THEM; FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO.  And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.&quot;

This is the reading found in the Majority of all Greek manuscripts as well as Sinaiticus original and Sinaiticus 2nd correction, A, C, D correction, E, F, G, H, K, L, M, Q, S, U, V, X, Gamma, Delta, Lambda, Pi, Psi, the Old Latin copies air, b, c, e, f, ff2, l, r1, the Latin Vulgate, the Syriac Peshitta, Curetonian, Harclean, Palestinian, some Coptic Boharic and Sahidic copies and well as the ancient Armenian and Ethiopian versions. 

 The whole sentence was originally in the Sinaitic mss.  Then some scribe removed it, and then another scribe put the words back in the text.

However Vaticanus omits all the capital lettered words &quot;Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.&quot; But it has the rest of the verse - &quot;And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.&quot;

Every Bible version I am aware of includes these words in Luke 23:44 but the NRSV 1989 puts them in [[double brackets]] and the Holman Standard [brackets the words] to indicate doubt as to their authenticity. 

The latest Nestle-Aland 28th edition and the UBS 4th edition critical texts both [[put the words in double brackets]] indicating serious doubt as to their authenticity.  So they may very well disappear from the up and coming &quot;late$t in $cholar$hip Advance$ in the future. 

 Meanwhile the RSV, ESV and NIV all cast doubt as to whether or not they are God\'s inspired words by footnoting: &quot;Some early manuscripts do not have this sentence.&quot;

 We see the same pattern among the Catholic versions. The earlier Douay-Rheims 1582 and the 1950 Douay and even the 1968 Jerusalem bible all include the words with NO footnotes. But then the 1970 St. Joseph NAB and the New Jerusalem bible 1985 [bracket] the words (St. Joseph) and footnote (New Jerusalem) &quot;This verse is retained despite its omission by some good and diverse ancient authorities.&quot;

Dan Wallace\'s NET version also includes the words but he has these mind numbing, typical Bible agnostic mumblings that cast doubt on whether or not these words are inspired Scripture or not. He says: &quot;Many important mss (Ì75 &#1488;1 B D* W &#920; 070 579 1241 pc sys sa) lack v. 34a. It is included in &#1488;*,2(A) C D2 L &#936; 0250 Ë1,(13) 33 Ï lat syc,p,h. It also fits a major Lukan theme of forgiving the enemies (6:27-36), and it has a parallel in Stephen’s response in Acts 7:60. The lack of parallels in the other Gospels argues also for inclusion here. On the other hand, the fact of the parallel in Acts 7:60 may well have prompted early scribes to insert the saying in Luke’s Gospel alone. Further, there is the great difficulty of explaining why early and diverse witnesses lack the saying. A decision is difficult, but even those who regard the verse as inauthentic literarily often consider it to be authentic historically. For this reason it has been placed in single brackets in the translation.&quot;

In other words, maybe it is, maybe it isn\'t; &quot;a decision is difficult&quot;,  it might be &quot;literally inauthentic&quot; but it is &quot;historically authentic&quot; - Say what?  As long as they can cast doubt with their &quot;Yea, hath God said...?&quot; footnotes, the Jesuits have accomplished their goal of overthrowing the final authority of God\'s words.
 
Numerous early church writers made allusion to this verse -

http://www.laparola.net/greco/index.php

Archelaus Acts of the Disputation with the Heresiarch Manes: and here, our Lord Jesus prayed that the Pharisees might be pardoned, when He said, &quot;Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”[531]

Clementine Homily XI: prayed to the Father that the sin of those who slew Him might be forgiven, saying, `Father, forgive them their sins, for they know not what they do.’[8]

Constitutions of the Holy Apostles Book II: For our Saviour Himself entreated His Father for those who had sinned, as it is written in the Gospel: &quot;Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.”[88]

Constitutions of the Holy Apostles Book V: And a little afterward, when He had cried with a loud voice, &quot;Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do,”[114]

Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians: but prayed for His enemies, &quot;Father, forgive them; they know not what they do.”[82]

Gospel of Nicodemus I The Acts of Pilate: Then Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying: Father, let not this sin stand against them; for they know not what they do.[106]

Irenaeus Against Heresies Book III: And from this fact, that He exclaimed upon the cross, &quot;Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do,”[348]

Of the Journeyings of Philip the Apostle: was made to drink gall and vinegar, and said, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.[14]

Recognitions of Clement VI: Wherefore, in short, the Master Himself, when He was being led to the cross by those who knew Him not, prayed the Father for His murderers, and said, `Father, forgive their sin, for they know not what they do!\'[7] 

All these words are found in the Latin Vulgate 405 A.D., the Anglo-Saxon Gospels Corpus Christi mss. Aelfric circa 1000 A.D. - &quot; Ða cwæð se hælend. fæder. forgyf him forþam hig nyton hwæt hig doð; Soðlice hig dældon hys reaf &amp; wurpun hlótu.&quot; Wycliffe 1395, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew\'s Bible 1549, the Bishops\' Bibld 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587, the Douay Rheims 1610, and in the more modern versions like the RV, ASV, NASB (ft.), RSV, [[NRSV]], ESV (ft.), NIV (ft.), Holman (ft.), NKJV, the Modern Greek Bible with NO brackets - &quot; &#927; &#948;&#949; &#921;&#951;&#963;&#959;&#965;&#962; &#949;&#955;&#949;&#947;&#949;· &#928;&#945;&#964;&#949;&#961;, &#963;&#965;&#947;&#967;&#969;&#961;&#951;&#963;&#959;&#957; &#945;&#965;&#964;&#959;&#965;&#962;· &#948;&#953;&#959;&#964;&#953; &#948;&#949;&#957; &#949;&#958;&#949;&#965;&#961;&#959;&#965;&#963;&#953; &#964;&#953; &#960;&#961;&#945;&#964;&#964;&#959;&#965;&#963;&#953;. &#916;&#953;&#945;&#956;&#949;&#961;&#953;&#950;&#959;&#956;&#949;&#957;&#959;&#953; &#948;&#949; &#964;&#945; &#953;&#956;&#945;&#964;&#953;&#945; &#945;&#965;&#964;&#959;&#965;, &#949;&#946;&#945;&#955;&#959;&#957; &#954;&#955;&#951;&#961;&#959;&#957;.- &quot;, the Orthodox Jewish Bible and the Modern Hebrew Bible (again, with NO brackets) - &quot;&#1493;&#1497;&#1488;&#1502;&#1512; &#1497;&#1513;&#1493;&#1506; &#1488;&#1489;&#1497; &#1505;&#1500;&#1495; &#1500;&#1492;&#1501; &#1499;&#1497; &#1500;&#1488; &#1497;&#1491;&#1506;&#1493; &#1502;&#1492; &#1492;&#1501; &#1506;&#1513;&#1497;&#1501; &#1493;&#1497;&#1495;&#1500;&#1511;&#1493; &#1489;&#1490;&#1491;&#1497;&#1493; &#1500;&#1492;&#1501; &#1493;&#1497;&#1508;&#1497;&#1500;&#1493; &#1490;&#1493;&#1512;&#1500;&#1475;”

James White is getting loopier and loopier. And he is a flat out liar. He SAYS he believes The Bible IS the infallible words of God, but ask him where to get a copy of this infallible Bible he PROFESSES to believe in and he will NEVER tell you. Now he is &quot;correcting&quot; even the versions like the NASB, NIV, ESV, NET, Holman, NKJV etc. In fact, EVERY BIBLE out there that has ever been printed.  All of these bible versions contain Mark 16:9-20 and John 7:53-8:11 in them, yet James White they are not Scripture and he would just “skip over them”.

James White has clearly made HIMSELF his own final authority, and in his way of thinking you have to go to HIM to find out what God REALLY said or didn’t say.

May God deliver us from men like James White.

&quot;He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.&quot;  Luke 8:8

All of grace, believing The Book,

Will Kinney  

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2579', '08490077a9', 'Matthew 1:7-10. ESV errors from corrupt texts', 'Matthew 1:7-10. ESV errors from corrupt texts

Matthew chapter one lists the genealogy of our Lord Jesus Christ from the kingly line of David and Solomon. 

KJB - “And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat ASA (&#7952;&#947;&#941;&#957;&#957;&#951;&#963;&#949;&#957; &#964;&#8056;&#957; &#7944;&#963;&#940;); and ASA (&#7944;&#963;&#940;) begat Josaphat…(v.10) And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat AMON (&#924;&#945;&#957;&#945;&#963;&#963;&#8134;&#962; &#948;&#8050; &#7952;&#947;&#941;&#957;&#957;&#951;&#963;&#949;&#957; &#964;&#8056;&#957; &#7944;&#956;&#974;&#957;) and AMON ( &#7944;&#956;&#974;&#957;) begat Josias.”

ESV - “and Solomon the father of (Here the ESV changed the verb found in all Greek texts “begat” to a noun not found in ANY Greek text “the father of) Rehoboam, and Rehoboam the father of Abijah, and Abijah the father of ASAPH (&#948;&#8050; &#7952;&#947;&#941;&#957;&#957;&#951;&#963;&#949;&#957; &#964;&#8056;&#957; &#7944;&#963;&#940;&#966;), and ASAPH ( &#7944;&#963;&#940;&#966;) the father of Jehoshaphat…(v.10) And Hezekiah the father of Manasseh and Manasseh the father of AMOS (&#924;&#945;&#957;&#945;&#963;&#963;&#8134;&#962; &#948;&#8050; &#7952;&#947;&#941;&#957;&#957;&#951;&#963;&#949;&#957; &#964;&#8056;&#957; &#7944;&#956;&#974;&#962;) and AMOS ( &#7944;&#956;&#974;&#962;) the father of Josiah.”

These different names - ASA versus ASAPH, and AMON versus AMOS are TEXTUAL differences. They are not variations in spelling the same names, but are totally different names that come from very different Greek texts.  And the texts followed by the ESV here in verses 7, 8 and 10 are the WRONG names.

Simply go back to 1 Chronicles 3:10-14 in either the Hebrew Scriptures or even the so called Greek Septuagint and they both read the same.  ASA was the son of Abia, and AMON was the son of Manasseh. Even the ESV tells you this in 1 Chronicles 3:10-14.

The ESV has followed the Westcott-Hort, UBS critical Greek text in these places where they have the wrong names.  There were at least three men names Asaph and two names Amos, but neither one of them is listed anywhere in the Bible as being in the lineage of the man Jesus Christ.

The Majority of all Greek manuscripts, the Hebrew Scriptures, Lamsa’s translation of the Syriac Peshitta and even the so called Greek Septuagint read as does the King James Bible with ASA and AMON.

So where did the ESV get the names of ASAPH and AMOS?  They come from Vaticanus and Sinaiticus.  Instead of just recognizing that these are two of the most corrupt manuscripts in existence, they have chosen to go against all historical evidence  to the contrary and have two guys in the lineage of our Saviour who simply do NOT belong there.

What is interesting here is that not even the NASB, NIV, Holman Standard, The Voice, the Orthodox Jewish Bible 2011 or even Dan Wallace’s NET version followed the UBS, Nestle-Aland critical Greek texts here that falsely read “Asaph” and “Amos”, but went instead with the Traditional Greek texts of the Reformation Bibles and the KJB and they all correctly read “ASA” and “AMON” instead of the ESV’s “ASAPH” and “AMOS”.

The other perverted bibles would be the previous RSV where they correctly have ASA in verses 7 and 8 but then footnote that “the Greek says ASAPH”, which is not true at all.  Only a very few corrupt Greek manuscripts like Sinaiticus and Vaticanus read this way, while the vast majority of them have it right.  But the RSV then went with the false reading of AMOS in verse 10, and then footnotes “others read Amon”.

Then came along the NRSV of 1989 and it changed BOTH names to ASAPH and AMOS, just like the ESV 2001-2011 has it.  These are TEXTUAL errors that result in two of the wrong men being placed into the lineage of the Lord Jesus Christ, and even the NASB, NIV, Holman and NET translators had enough sense to see that these are the wrong names and they went back to the Traditional Greek text in these two instances.

God is a God of absolute Truth; He cannot lie.  If you find lies and falsehood in a book that purports to be the words of the living God and they are false, then this bible version is false and cannot be trusted.

“For many bare false witness against him, but their witness agreed not together.”  Mark 14:56');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2580', '2e21bb9884', 'TBS in big trouble', 'The Trinitarian Bible Society is in deep trouble.

They say, in their Quarterly Record 605 (Oct/Nov/Dec 2013) on page 15, “the financial situation in 2013 is more challenging than the Society has seen for many years, as our Heavenly Benefactor is seemingly withholding His hand, particularly in relation to income from legacies and donations. It is as if He is withholding in one part of His providence to try our faith and keep us dependent; and yet He is providing in another part, lest we be discouraged.”

Let us be clear.

“But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.” (Deuteronomy 8:18).

Divine Providence is against TBS if it is more interested in promoting Hebrew and Greek over English; and Divine Providence is against it if it continues concentrating on foreign translations rather than promoting English and the KJB in foreign parts; and Divine Providence is against it if it persists in making unwarranted changes to the KJB; and Divine Providence is against it if it resists upholding the King James Bible in a proper way.

There is nothing perplexing about it. There is no mystery at all. The TBS languishes even as much as it deviates from the proper path. This is because spiritual laws are in effect. If you add to or take away from God’s Word, even teaching against the perfection of the KJB, then there will be withholding of divine favour. There is no natural reason for it (people try to rationalise by saying not enough young people are involved), or they find absurd mental reasons to explain away things like the poor excuse that God is trying to teach them something by withholding blessing. No, that’s called the curse, and that comes because people do not hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2581', '3ee10f0f38', 'Which Bible Would Jesus Use?', 'https://shop.avpublications.com/images/McElroy_51p59A8wpFL__SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Hi saints. I just got done reading this book by brother Jack McElroy and it is very good. Easy to read with lots of good examples and explanations. It is written from the common sense point of view of a layman who believes the Book and knows why he believes it is God’s infallible words.

He specifically addresses the questions Bible believers get all the time about “Where was the perfect bible before the King James Bible?” and the ever popular “Which version of the King James Bible is the right one?” He also does a very good job of showing Why the King James Bible is God’s Book and the other passing fads are not.

I highly recommend this book to any of you who wish to learn more about the Bible version issue and perhaps are wondering what the arguments are from those who are against the KJB Only point of view. He does a very good job of exposing and dismantling the “only the originals” argument we hear all the time.

Your faith will be increased in the power of Almighty God to fulfill His promises to preserve and keep His words till heaven and earth pass away, and you will see why the question \'Which Bible Would Jesus Use?\' has an obvious answer.

The book is 340 long and costs 20 dollars. You can get it here at AV Publications. Here is a link to the online store. 

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“Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.” Psalm 119:18

All of grace, believing The Book - the Authorized King James Holy Bible,

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2582', '5a125a45cb', 'The Protector, 1 December 2013', '[img:5a125a45cb]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:5a125a45cb]

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STRONG DELUSION — CONTINUED

“And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie” (2 Thessalonians 2:11).

Instead of beginning from Scripture, modernists start from outside Scripture, asking “What is Scripture?” and then after engaging in their criticism (whether lower, textual criticism, or higher, literary and source-document criticism), they then proceed to use their imperfect productions by their flawed method of reading into the past their present assumptions (it is the height of absurdity that they are engage so fully in historical revisionism onto how the Scripture was apparently corrupted in time). They attempt to then read the Scripture as if they are reconstructing what the original authors wrote, and what they meant when communicating to their original audience. In both the transmission of Scripture and the interpretation of Scripture, they have no necessary role for God, but only human reason and sight-based available data.

“Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son\'s name, if thou canst tell?” (Proverbs 30:4).

1. According to the modernist view, doubt creeps in over Jesus Christ.

2. The modernist view denies the providence and sovereignty of God, not understanding His superintendence over history, creation (replaced with evolution) and the end of the world (replaced with environmentalist myths).

3. The modernist does not know God’s name, even though the KJB says “JEHOVAH”, the modernist denies this, and has a plethora of other variants. So likewise with “JESUS” which they corrupt to all kinds of foolish names based on a fabulous view of the Jewish language.

The answer to these questions is simple. Go to the perfect Bible. “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.” (Pr 30:5, 6).

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2583', 'a3c76d1180', '', 'Laurence M. Vance does a superb job on explaining WHY these seven:

------------------------EXCERPT:

The information we need is to be found, not in the translators\' &quot;The Epistle Dedicatory&quot; or their &quot;The Translators to the Reader,&quot; [b:a3c76d1180]but in the &quot;Rules to be Observed in the Translation of the Bible.&quot;[/b:a3c76d1180] [Emphasis added] These general rules, fifteen in number, were advanced for the guidance of the translators. The first and fourteenth, because they directly relate to the subject at hand, are here given in full: &quot;1. The ordinary Bible read in the Church, commonly called the Bishops Bible, to be followed, and as little altered as the Truth of the original will permit.&quot; &quot;14. These translations to be used when they agree better with the Text than the Bishops Bible: Tindoll\'s, Matthews, Coverdale\'s, Whitchurch\'s, Geneva.&quot;

And thus we have our answer. The seven English versions that make the English Bibles up to and including the Authorized Version fit the description in Psalm 12:6 of the words of the Lord being &quot;purified seven times&quot; are Tyndale\'s, Matthew\'s, Coverdale\'s, the Great Bible (printed by Whitechurch), the Geneva Bible, the Bishops\' Bible, and the King James Bible. 

http://www.biblebelievers.com/Vance5.html
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Wouldn\'t it be nice to add the &quot;Rules to be Observed in the Translation of the Bible&quot; to the PDF printable version on bibleprotector\'s home page? I have never seen a KJB that includes it. Thank you for all the information.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2584', '9ce561e8d1', '', 'Lulu.com has a limit of 740 pages (800 for some formats). 

If I was clever enough I would make a PDF PCE version that would fit this requirement (the PDF on the bibleprotector home page would be almost perfect, but it is over the limit. And I wouldn\'t want 2 books, Old and New Testaments. I would already be compromising forgoing leather). 

And if I were really clever I would add the &quot;Rules to be Observed in the Translation of the Bible&quot; to it first.

EDIT: createspace.com has an 828-page limit. Getting closer to bibleprotector.com\'s PDF (which has 900 pages including supplements).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2585', 'd754abc263', '', 'I did a search on Lulu and got a couple of Cambridge PCE hits.

Here\'s one:

http://www.lulu.com/shop/the-holy-bible-authorized-version-1611/hardcover/product-20739475.html

Looks like maybe the 8-point version without supplements?

It &quot;seems&quot; to be a bibleprotector.com publication, BUT, I don\'t think bibleprotector would put &quot;KJV&quot; on its cover? And a BLUE cover??

Here is the other one but it is only the Old Testament. I don\'t see a New Testament companion but I didn\'t exhaustively search either:

http://www.lulu.com/shop/holy-spirit/holy-bible-ot/paperback/product-20672423.html

Anyone know anything about these Lulu versions. This is what I was thinking of doing. Note that the blue bible above is 799 pages and thus required Lulu\'s &quot;casewrap&quot; format (800-page limit). I am not sure what that means, perhaps some special-sized hardback. Also, the proof would be in the pudding with any of these Lulu books: how do they actually LOOK for reading purposes? I would hate to pay $50 and the pages were skewed or too-tight in the margins.....God knows.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2586', '12fef25617', 'David Norton loses \'godly\' edification in errant editions', 'Hi,

1 Timothy 1:4  
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, 
which minister questions, 
rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

From earlier studies, I knew that David Norton made small errors in trying to give the 1611 too much weight, however I did not realize that he made large errors.  (It is well known that Scrivener in the original Cambridge Paragraph has some doozies.)

[i:12fef25617]godly[/i:12fef25617] was missing in the 1611, it clearly was simply an oversight or printing or technical snafu, corrected even before (1634) the 1638 edition, that corrected many errors, with 1611 translator involvement.  As [i:12fef25617]godly[/i:12fef25617] (or God) is in, afaik, all the Greek and Latin texts.  

Yet the word is simply omitted in the 2005 and 2011 New Cambridge Paragraph editions, which are the Norton text (bibleprotector has a video on capitalization changes between the two editions.) And omitted in the Penguin 2006, which is simply the 2005 text. 

Apparently (unraveling the Rick Norris skewed presentation, e.g. he calls the 2006 edition 2006 PENG, it is published by Penguin, masking the Norton connection) these were, other than 1611 reprint editions, the only errant AV editions at the Timothy verse in hundreds of years.  

Negative kudos to David Norton.

Yours in Jesus,
Steven Avery');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2587', 'ace1b983d8', 'AV with syllables separated', 'Hi,

Among my AVs, I have one from China, Thomas Nelson, 1877, 1984, 2001, printed in China, with proper name separated by syllables.  Nice leather, small, generally good quality, although not a PCE.

It does it like this:

Cai\'-a-phas.

It is rather unusual.  I was wondering when and how that arose, and if it is common.  It actually is a bit off.

Thanks.

Yours in Jesus, 
Steven');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2588', 'f265c8aebe', '', 'That method arose in about 1900 from Oxford by H. A. Redpath, who created a Self Pronouncing Bible. That method was followed and adapted by Cambridge and William Collins. Later on, it seems, the American publishers also used a variety of the same method, but with less phonetic helps, which leads to the current usage in some Thomas Nelson, Holman and perhaps World printings, which are a little off.

Oxford does not seem to have used the pronunciation in its normal editions, but Cambridge and Collins did (which are almost identical in their execution of this method).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2589', '34e3557105', '', 'When I speak of &quot;normal&quot; or &quot;proper&quot; KJB editions, I include editions like those printed by Oxford, various American publishers, but really, once Scrivener and most especially Norton have interfered with the text, it has become so fouled up (relatively speaking) that these cannot be considered normal representations of the KJB. This is because they are begin to create reading and translation changes. That is a very dangerous trend. Much better to stay with the standard, than to go on this never ending quest into translators\' draft documents and other conjectural emendations.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2590', '0402853a2e', '', 'Some people have just taken the file from my website and put elsewhere, like on pdf or document storage sites. Others have changed the covers, and so on. Sometimes they change the title page, but keep the rest the same.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2591', 'aafe24f369', 'KJB Only and Church Unity', 'Note the standard of truth: &quot;Sanctify them through thy truth: [b:aafe24f369]thy word is truth[/b:aafe24f369].&quot; (John 17:17) and &quot;In hope of eternal life, which [b:aafe24f369]God, that cannot lie[/b:aafe24f369], promised before the world began&quot; (Titus 1:2). Emphasis added.

You would think that these Scriptures and many others that could be quoted would be enough to make anyone understand that the words of God cannot be error or lies or contradictory or deception but must be taught as reality and truth.

Yet, note the following quote from Donald A. McGavran\'s book &quot;Understanding Church Growth&quot;, 1980, p.380, where he goes through mental gymnastics to convince himself that lies ought to be taught for the sake of cultural understanding.

&quot;Indigenous church principles, when successful, create congregations in which Christians tell of a good life possible to them and their listeners. When they explain biblical truth, they do so in thought forms and illustrations meaningful to them at their state of culture. To the people in high New Guinea, the pig is the supreme sacrificial animal. The Eurican [Western] missionary, though he may agree that it would be meaningful to say \'Jesus is our pig sacrifice\' can scarcely bring himself to do so. The Westernized New Guinea preacher, too, who reads his Bible, knows that John the Baptist said, \'Behold the [i:aafe24f369]lamb [/i:aafe24f369]of God\'. But the lay Christian, without any effort and with complete reverence, speaks to his fellows - Christians and non-Christians - about Jesus as the pig of God. Often the idea communicated may not be entirely biblical according to Western notions, but it will commend the Savior to those who have not yet believed, [i:aafe24f369]in terms they understand[/i:aafe24f369].&quot;

It does not seem to occur to this writer that the only right way is to actually teach those ignorant of truth (in this case about what a lamb is) what the truth really is, namely that there is an animal that is called a &quot;lamb&quot; and that it was sacrificed by the Israelites.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2592', '64567e45de', 'What about the word VIRTUE in the KJB?', 'What about the word “virtue” in the King James Bible?
 
“And Jesus said, Somebody hath touched me: for I perceive that VIRTUE is gone out of me.”  Luke 8:46.
 
The English word “virtue” is used in the King James Bible three times to translate the Greek word &#948;&#965;&#957;&#945;&#956;&#953;&#957; (dunamin).  See Mark 5:30, Luke 6:19 and Luke 8:46. All three Scriptures speak of “virtue” having gone out of the Lord to heal. 
 
 Most modern versions translate these three examples as simply “power”. There is nothing strictly wrong with the word “power” in these places, but the word “virtue” is actually better. Virtue is always a good and beneficial power, whereas the word “power” can be either good or bad.
 
For example, listed among the things that cannot separate us from the love of God are “neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities nor POWERS…shall be able to separate us from the love of God” Romans 8:38
 
In 2 Thessalonians 2:9 we read of “him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all POWER and signs and lying wonders”.  
 
In Revelation 13:2 we read of the beast - “and the dragon gave him his POWER, and his seat, and great authority.” 
 
And the 10 kings who rise up in rebellion against the Lord “have one mind, and shall give their POWER and strength unto the beast.”  Revelation 17:13.
 
The English word “virtue”  comes  from the Latin word virtue, meaning “moral strength, manliness, valor, excellence, worth” from the word ‘vir’ meaning ‘man’.  Compare the word virile.
 
Webster’s Dictionary lists this idea of strength or power as it’s first definition. 
 
VIRTUE, n. vur\'tu. L. virtus, from vireo, or its root. See Worth. The radical sense is strength, from straining, stretching, extending. This is the primary sense of L. vir, a man.

1. Strength; that substance or quality of physical bodies, by which they act and produce effects on other bodies. In this literal and proper sense, we speak of the virtue or virtues of plants in medicine, and the virtues of drugs. In decoctions, the virtues of plants are extracted. By long standing in the open air, the virtues are lost.
 
Also on the list of definitions is -  Acting power; something efficacious.
 
Jesus, knowing that virtue had gone out of him, turned - Mark 3.
 
Modern Greek Dictionary
 
I have a hard copy of Divry’s Modern English-Greek and Greek-English Dictionary. It has nothing to do with the Bible; it is just a secular dictionary. If you look up the English word Virtue on page 374 it gives three Greek words that mean virtue, arete, uperoche, and our word dunamis.
 
If you look up the Greek word dunamis on page 482 we see that it means ‘power, strength, force, might, faculty and by VIRTUE of’.
 
Here is an online Greek-English Dictionary
 
http://www.kypros.org/cgi-bin/lexicon
 
Go to the English to Greek Dictionary side. Type in the word ‘virtue’ and you will see the modern Greek word &#948;&#973;&#957;&#945;&#956;&#951; come up. This is still what the word means today in modern Greek as well as in English.
 
Not only does the King James Bible use the word “VIRTUE” in this way in the Scriptures of Mark 5:30, Luke 6:19 and Luke 8:46 but so too do the following Bible translations -  Wycliffe 1395, Tyndale 1534 - “For I perceave that vertue is gone out of me.”, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew’s Bible 1549 - “For I perceyue that vertue is gone out of me.”,  the Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587 - “for I perceiue that vertue is gone out of me.”, the Douay-Rheims 1610, Whiston’s N.T. 1745, Wesley’s translation 1755, Worsely Version 1770, Webster’s translation 1833, the KJV 21st Century 1994 - “for I perceive that virtue is gone out of Me.”, the Third Millennium Bible 1998 and the Jubilee Bible 2000-2010 - &quot;I perceive that VIRTUE is gone out of me.&quot;
 
Since the word “virtue” comes from the Latin, there are several foreign language Bibles in the Romance languages that also read “virtue” in these passages.  Among these are the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras 1569, Cipriano de Valera 1865 and the Reina Valera 1909 - “porque yo he conocido que ha salido VIRTUD de mí.”, the French Martin 1744 and French Ostervald 1996 - “car j\'ai connu qu\'une VERTU est sortie de moi.”, the Italian Diodati 1649 and Riveduta 1927 - “perciocchè io ho conosciuto che VIRTU è uscita di me.” and the Portuguese A Biblia Sagrada em Portugues and the Almeida Corregida E Fiel - “E disse Jesus: Alguém me tocou porque bem conheci que de mim saiu VIRTUDE.”
 
The King James Bible is always right.
 
Will Kinney
 
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2593', 'b08e8ed492', 'The Protector, 8 December 2013', '[img:b08e8ed492]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:b08e8ed492]

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“For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures”. (1 Corinthians 15:3).

When Paul refers to the Scriptures speaking of Christ having died for our sins, people may assume that he is referring to the Old Testament. However, there are also New Testament passages which say that Christ died for our sins.

The way we read our Bible, the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts and Romans precede the book of 1 Corinthians, so they may be considered Scriptures.

Especially when they teach that Christ rose again the third day.

Often, theologians interpret the Bible by reading into the past their present day assumptions. For example, they might assume that 1 Corinthians was written before the Gospels, Acts and Romans.

Even it that were true, the question arises how Paul could refer to the death and resurrection of Christ being witnessed to by Scriptures (plural). The answer is that the Holy Ghost knew that the rest of the New Testament would be written.

So while it is true that the Old Testament can be found to speak of these things, the reality is that it is the New Testament which reveals the details of these things. The New Testament is Scripture, and it calls itself Scripture.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2594', 'd1a613e20d', 'Luke 10:42 &quot;one thing&quot; or &quot;few things&quot;?', 'KJB Luke 10:42 - But ONE THING IS NEEDFUL: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.”

NASB 1963-1977 editions - “But ONLY A FEW THINGS ARE NECESSARY, REALLY ONLY ONE, for Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her.”

NASB 1995 edition - “But ONLY ONE THING IS NECESSARY, for Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her.”

This section of Luke tells of the time when Jesus came to the house of Martha and Mary, and Martha was cumbered with much serving and Mary sat at the feet of Jesus and heard his word. In Luke 10:42, after Jesus told Martha that she was careful and troubled about many things, he says: &quot;But ONE THING IS NEEDFUL: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.&quot;

The one thing that is needful is to sit at the feet of Jesus, to hear his words, and be in fellowship with him.

&quot;BUT ONE THING is needful”

The &quot;But one thing is needful&quot; is the reading of Wycliffe 1395, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535, Bishops’ Bible, the Geneva Bible 1587, the Revised Versions, the ASV of 1901 (the highly praised precursor to the NASB), the RSV, NRSV, ESV, NKJV, Holman, Common English Bible and the NET version.

But in the NASBs of 1963, 1972 and 1977 we read instead: &quot;FEW THINGS ARE NECESSARY, REALLY ONLY ONE.&quot; This ridiculous reading comes from the Vaticanus manuscript. The Siniaticus goes back and forth, being corrected three times in this one phrase alone. First it read like the Vatican mss.; then a scribe changed it to read like the Majority text; and then another scribe changed it back again to read like Vaticanus. 

Also reading this way are the Jehovah Witness New World Translation 1961 and the 2013 J.W. Revision which say: “A FEW THINGS THOUGH ARE NEEDED, OR JUST ONE. For her part, Mary chose the good portion.” 

The Amplified bible of 1987 still non-sensically reads: “THERE IS NEED OF ONLY ONE THING OR BUT A FEW THINGS. Mary has chosen the good portion”. Rotherham’s Emphasized bible 1902 read this way - “OF FEW THINGS, IS THERE NEED, OR, OF ONE; Mary, in fact, hath chosen, the good part,” as does the Lexham English Bible of 2012 - “But FEW THINGS ARE NECESSARY, OR ONLY ONE THING, for Mary has chosen the better part”

But the NASB update of 1995 has reversed itself, and now reads as the KJB and the NIV, ESV. Why? Not because of any new manuscript evidence recently come to light; they simply changed their minds.

The Catholic versions have done the same thing. The early Douay-Rheims of 1610 and the 1950 Douay followed the Traditional texts and read like the KJB - “But ONE THING IS NEEDFUL, and Mary hath chosen that good part”. But then the 1968 Jerusalem bible and the 1985 New Jerusalem bible followed the Vaticanus reading and read: “FEW THINGS ARE NEEDED, INDEED ONLY ONE.”

But now the 2009 Catholic Public Domain Version has also gone back to the Traditional reading and once again says: “And yet ONLY ONE THING IS NECESSARY. Mary has chosen the best portion”

Likewise the Nestle-Aland Critical Greek texts have changed over the years. Westcott and Hort originally went with the nonsensical reading &#8000;&#955;&#943;&#947;&#969;&#957; &#948;&#941; &#7952;&#963;&#964;&#953;&#957; &#967;&#961;&#949;&#943;&#945; &#7970; &#7953;&#957;&#972;&#962;, which is not even grammatically correct and literally is “few things is necessary the one”. So also did the Nestle 4th edition 1934 and the Nestle 21st edition 1975. I have hard copies of both of these and this is how their critical text reads.

But not even the RV, ASV or even the RSV were that far gone that they actually followed this absurd reading found in their own critical Greek text editions. The first major translation to adopt it and put it in their text was the NASB in 1963 and the NASB stuck with it through 7 different editions until 1995. Then sometime later they changed the Nestle-Aland, UBS critical texts and they now read as does the KJB with “&#7953;&#957;&#8056;&#962; &#948;&#941; &#7952;&#963;&#964;&#953;&#957; &#967;&#961;&#949;&#943;&#945; = “but one thing is necessary.”

So the critical text promoters have abandoned in this place their beloved &quot;oldest and best&quot; manuscripts, all in the name of &quot;the science” of Textual Criticism, don’t ya know. The question remains - Which NASB was inspired and inerrant? The first 7 editions from 1963 to 1977 or the 1995 update? Well, actually, there is NO NASB user who believes his ever changing NASB is the inspired and infallible words of God.

The 1995 NASB update changed 20,000 words and deleted another 8000 words from its previous 1977 NASB edition. This is not fantasy. I have the book Double Jeopardy, by Lawrence M. Vance, that documents in black and white every change that has taken place between these two different editions of the NASB.

But wait! There is more. The NIVs 1973, 1978 and 1984 editions had it right. The read: &quot;BUT ONLY ONE THING IS NEEDED. Marry has chosen what is better.&quot; But now that the UBS/Nestle-Aland critical Greek texts have changed their reading to the correct one, which reads this way, the NEW NIV 2011 edition has come out, and now gone with the OLD Vaticanus reading the the critical text editors and the NASB just got done correcting. The New NIV of 2011 now reads: &quot;BUT FEW THINGS ARE NEEDED - OR INDEED ONLY ONE. Mary has chosen what is better.&quot;!!!

What we see among these bogus bible versions that are based on the ever changing Nestle-Aland/UBS/Vatican critical Greek texts (both the “Evangelical” NASB, ESV, NIV, and the modern Catholic versions) is the fact that they have no settled Scripture. What may be fa$hionable $cholar$hip today, will change with the wind tomorrow. And their so called “oldest and best manuscripts”, that these new Vatican Versions are based on, are in fact among the most corrupt in existence.

Get yourself the King James Holy Bible and “meddle not with them that are given to change” - Proverbs 24:21

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2595', '9eb0002df6', 'Me versus Steven Anderson on Scrivener\'s TR', 'In a discussion with KJBO Steven Anderson, I said, “Edward Hills said that the KJB is essentially an independent variety of the Received Text because technically, it does not match any Greek TR in existence (even Scrivener’s/TBS), and all the TRs differ to each other (there are many TRs, editions from Erasmus, from Stephanus, from Beza, and others over the years).”

Steven Anderson replied: “He can say that all he wants, but it isn’t true. The KJV matches the Scrivener/TBS Greek TR. Show me one place where it says something different.”

This is my answer to him as follows:

I am surprised that you would say that, considering that Scrivener’s Greek works were done in the 19th century, and that being long after 1611.

Scrivener lists places where his constructed Greek text may not have followed the KJB text exactly:

https://archive.org/stream/cu31924029268708#page/n273/mode/2up

This is where we get to the very jots and tittles in English, and that changing so much as the word order is a change, though seeming quite trivial. In Phil. 2:21 the KJB has “Jesus Christ’s”, but the Greek reverses the word order.

https://archive.org/stream/hkaindiathknovu03estigoog#page/n473/mode/2up
https://archive.org/stream/TextusReceptusscrivener1860/TextusReceptus-StephensScrivener1860#page/n469/mode/2up

Notice, in the critical apparatus, one needs to go to the footnote to get the correct reading.

So, if Scrivener is right, how do we know when to go to the footnote, and when to stay with his main reading? Surely, only the text of the KJB is exactly right, not any single one of the varying TR editions.

“Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.” (Jeremiah 15:16).');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2596', '8c5d57f23e', 'The Protector, 15 December 2013', '[img:8c5d57f23e]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:8c5d57f23e]

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GOD’S WILL IS TO BLESS CHRISTIAN EVANGELISTIC EFFORTS

“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Timothy 2:3–6).

It is God’s will for the Gospel to advance. He is not sending angels to do it, but Christians. Therefore it is the duty of believers in Christ to bring the witness of Christ to men. And God has a plan for this.

When God wants something, He does what is necessary to make it so. If He said that Christ is to be testified in due time, then it follows that the Church has been empowered and equipped to carry out this plan.

“But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day” (Deuteronomy 8:18).

The promises of the Old Testament, when understood in New Testament light, indicate that God’s prospering power and enablement are there for the advance of the Gospel, to help people, to give them the gifts and power by the Spirit necessary to actually acomplish reaching folk with the good news.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2598', '2cd44efd65', 'Pretribulationism', 'William Watson has listed from writings of Puritans and Historicists references to a pre-conflagration rapture.

http://deanbible.org/Media/Documents/Pre-Trib2012/Papers/William%20Watson.pdf');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2599', '81df714dc6', '\'cannot\' vs \'can not\'', 'Checked GLISTERING TRUTHS, but could not find \'can not\' and \'cannot\'
Is there a difference; \'can not\' shows up only once in:
Isa 38:18  For the grave [u:81df714dc6]cannot[/u:81df714dc6] praise thee, death [u:81df714dc6]can not[/u:81df714dc6] celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2600', '96a6b5e042', '', 'The Glistering Truths booklet only contains some examples, in fact there are many, from double minded versus doubletongued to Endor versus En-dor.

Also, new examples are brought up from time to time, such as the one of &quot;cannot&quot; and &quot;can [i:96a6b5e042]not[/i:96a6b5e042]&quot;.

There are several differences here, the first is the use of italics for one. The second is the metrical, stress or inflected differences.

Even if there was no meaning difference, there is certainly a difference in feeling, in subtle association of thought, in nuance.

The most important point is that this is deliberate, not random.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2601', '8abfba5fef', '', 'Thanks; I hadn\'t noticed the italic.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2602', '6d633c6ba9', 'The Protector, 22 December 2013', '[img:6d633c6ba9]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:6d633c6ba9]

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UNDERSTANDING THE SCRIPTURE

The Apostolic method of interpreting Scripture was not just to think that it was literal and locked into the past, and limited to the knowledge of the original writer.

Paul wrote, “For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” (Romans 15:4).

He could see that the Holy Ghost had a higher meaning, and that there were spiritual truths involved.

“For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.” (1 Corinthians 9:9, 10).

Considering that the Holy Ghost has told the truth, and has full knowledge of what He speaks, then it can be understood that He is speaking even to us today.

Those who want to make the Bible limited only to the time it was written are buying into a grave error, one which “humanises” the Bible, that makes it just like any other book. But it is not just any old book, it is the Word of God!

An old book which is very good on dealing with a high view of Scripture and against modernism is Dean Burgon’s Inspiration and Interpretation, which you can get here: http://www.ccel.org/browse/bookInfo?id=burgon/inspiration

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2604', '11f270dc67', 'The Protector, 29 December 2013', '[img:11f270dc67]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:11f270dc67]

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GROWING UP TOGETHER

“Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel” (Philippians 1:27).

This striving together is not the church congregation fighting each other, but coming together with common purpose and unity to accomplish the goals which God has laid for us.

“That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him” (Ephesians 1:10).

The gathering together includes the fact that knowledge shall be increased, and that all things are coming together for the Church before the return and second coming of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

“Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ” (Ephesians 4:13).

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1. Because they are not sticking with the KJB, the perfect, sound traditional standard.

2. Because they are changing the Word of God into the language of a different, non-Christian religion (Judaism). Jews and everyone should be converted to Christianity, as there is no salvation in any other way or name, besides Christ Jesus.

3. Because they are based on false scholarship, such as changing the text, and changing the name of God, e.g. these kinds of people reject the name of God, replacing it with blanks or wrong words like &quot;YHWH&quot; etc. These are totally incorrect and against the Scripture which shows the proper way to know the name of God in Proverbs 30:3-5.');
INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2606', '7c927c0276', '', 'As for removing the name &quot;Christian&quot; in speaking to Indians and Aborigines, that is a grave error. We are Christians, because the Bible has that word in it.

We do not change the Gospel for other cultures. We do not change the Lamb of God to &quot;rooster&quot; or &quot;pig&quot; as some try to do in Papua New Guinea. We stick with the truth, and explain it properly.

If people know there is true Christianity, then all the offences and falsehoods of bad so-called &quot;Christians&quot; can be seen in the proper light.');
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2608', '3e0724d56e', 'The Protector, 5 January 2014', '[img:3e0724d56e]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:3e0724d56e]

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THE OWLS AND GOD’S WORD

The Scripture, speaking about Idumea, states, “There shall the great owl make her nest, and lay, and hatch, and gather under her shadow: there shall the vultures also be gathered, every one with her mate.” (Isaiah 34:15).

When the Scripture speaks of the owls, it is not merely because God cares for owls. The point is that the owls live because God’s word says they do, and that they continue through time. The point is that every owl has its place in the plan of God, so to speak, and this is just like every word being kept, and being sure in the Bible.

“Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.” (Isaiah 34:16).

Just as the owls do not fail, so likewise God’s words do not fail, but His words have power. And the big point is that there is a BOOK which has all of the Lord’s words in them, which believers can read.

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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2610', 'b7a1f13d21', 'The Protector, 12 January 2014', '[img:b7a1f13d21]http://www.bibleprotector.com/theprotector_files/protectorimage.jpg[/img:b7a1f13d21]

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PROPER INTERPRETATION REQUIRES PROPER FOUNDATION

A certain rabid and fumbling anti-King James Bible “teacher” recently started a discussion group about Bible prophecy.

“But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.” (2 Tim. 3:13)

His first topic is convoluted, and breeds confusion.

He wrote, “So true! I say to you that this GENEA will never pass away until all these events transpire!”

This appears to be a quote from a modern version. The problem is that he bypasses the plain wording for some strange word “genea”. The conclusions that people would come to by this methodology are going to be diverse, because, “If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” (Psalm 11:3).

In other words, fighting about “genea” is going to be never ending and unresolved, but believing the very wording of the Scripture is the proper basis. It says: “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.” (Luke 21:32).

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STANDING FOR THE GOSPEL

Recently, an Australian Senator, Cory Bernardi wrote a book called “The Conservative Revolution” (Connor Court) which advocates a return to traditional values.

By merely mentioning Christian values in a positive light, Senator Bernardi has attracted vicious attacks from the Left. One reviewer even described it as “The Persecution of Cory Bernardi”.

It is also, on the other hand, sad that many Christians shy away from making a stand on Biblical values. Many seem petrified of making a stand, or unwilling to give the Biblical perspective on issues.

The Scripture says, “For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.” (Isaiah 60:2).

That darkness is the darkness of sin, and all the wickedness in the world is a result of it. Christians are to be a light in comparison to that. The contrast can be very stark.

“Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.” (Matthew 10:16-18).

Granted today the scourging is figurative (e.g. character assassination), but still the Gospel must be proclaimed.

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Titus 2:13 - &quot; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ&quot; 

James White has a lot to say in his book, The King James Version Controversy, about how badly he thinks the King James Bible mangles the meaning of this verse and obscures the Deity of Christ.  On page 81 he says: &quot;the KJV is shown to be wanting in Titus 2:13.&quot; On page 201 he says, regarding Titus 2:13 in the KJB: &quot;The simple fact is that the KJV provides an inferior translation, one that unintentionally detracts from the presentation of the full deity of Jesus Christ. The unwillingness of KJV defenders to overlook this fact is most disturbing.&quot;

James White is entitled to his personal opinions, but there are a couple of things you should know about this man. He SAYS he believes the Bible IS the infallible words of God, but if you ask him to show you a copy of this infallible Bible he professes to believe in, he will never tell you. He will immediately try to change the subject.

Secondly, I believe he and many like him have been deceived when it comes to the Bible version issue. The modern version he promotes like the ESV, NIV, NASB are all in fact the new Vatican Versions. The Vatican has made a formal agreement with the United Bible Society to create an &quot;inter confessional&quot; text to unite &quot;the separated brethren&quot; and one of the main editors of this text was the Jesuit Cardinal Carlo Martini.  Nobody seriously believes any of these modern versions are the inerrant words of God; certainly not the people who put them together.  Don\'t believe it? Then please see my article and the links found in it called James White - the Protestant Pope of the new Vatican Versions 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/jameswhiteppopevv.htm 

And thirdly, James White is completely wrong in his understanding and analysis of Titus 2:13 as it stands not only in the King James Bible but in many others as well.  The King James Bible is actually the most literal translation of the Greek text here and it brings out a special truth that apparently is hidden from Bible correctors like James White.

Titus 2:13 “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of THE GREAT GOD AND OUR SAVIOUR Jesus Christ;”

Here the critics like James White and others say the KJB rendering does not fully bring out the deity of Jesus Christ. I don’t really understand what they are talking about, because when I read this passage, it clearly declares that Jesus Christ is both the great God as well as our Saviour.

Dr. Larry Bednar, who also addresses this passage at his KJV Textual Technology site correctly asks: &quot;One wonders if White thinks saints and faithful brethren (Col.1:2) separates saints and faithful brethren, as if they were two different types. Or does he think God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (Col.1:3) separates God from the Father, as if the Father were not God?&quot;

http://www.kjvtextualtechnology.com/kjv-classical-language-of-emphasis.php 

The NKJV, NIV, ESV and NASB translate this verse in different ways.  They don\'t even agree with each other.  The NKJV is not quite as bad as the NIV, NASB, ESV in that it says: &quot;looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of OUR great God and Savior Jesus Christ&quot;. The NKJV does not follow the literal Greek word order as does the King James Bible and it obscures the full and wonderful truths we see in the King James Bible.

But the NIV, NASB, ESV don\'t have us looking for THE APPEARING OF GOD AND OUR SAVIOURJesus Christ&quot; but instead looking for THE APPEARING OF THE GLORY of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.&quot;  God\'s glory and His actually appearance can be two different things.  The heaven declare the glory of God, but it is not God Himself.

However, it is necessary to point out two very important things in this verse. Number one is that the Greek reads exactly as it stands in the KJB, and not as it is in the NKJV, NIV, ESV and NASB.

The Greek in all texts reads “the great God and OUR Saviour.”  This is one of the few verses in the N._T. that has no textual variants; they all read the same and the King James Bible is the most literal by far. All Greek text read -&#960;&#961;&#959;&#963;&#948;&#949;&#967;&#959;&#956;&#949;&#957;&#959;&#953; &#964;&#951;&#957; &#956;&#945;&#954;&#945;&#961;&#953;&#945;&#957; &#949;&#955;&#960;&#953;&#948;&#945; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#949;&#960;&#953;&#966;&#945;&#957;&#949;&#953;&#945;&#957; &#964;&#951;&#962; &#948;&#959;&#958;&#951;&#962; &#964;&#959;&#965; &#956;&#949;&#947;&#945;&#955;&#959;&#965; &#952;&#949;&#959;&#965; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#963;&#969;&#964;&#951;&#961;&#959;&#962; &#951;&#956;&#969;&#957; &#953;&#951;&#963;&#959;&#965; &#967;&#961;&#953;&#963;&#964;&#959;&#965;

 This is the important part here - &#964;&#951;&#962; &#948;&#959;&#958;&#951;&#962; &#964;&#959;&#965; &#956;&#949;&#947;&#945;&#955;&#959;&#965; &#952;&#949;&#959;&#965; &#954;&#945;&#953; &#963;&#969;&#964;&#951;&#961;&#959;&#962; &#951;&#956;&#969;&#957; &#953;&#951;&#963;&#959;&#965; &#967;&#961;&#953;&#963;&#964;&#959;&#965; = the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.

The crucial difference in meaning is this. When Christ appears again in glory, He is the God of everybody - every man, woman and child, believer or unbeliever - but He is OUR Saviour. He is the Saviour of only those who are true Christians, but He is the God and creator of all, and He will be the judge of those who have not believed on Him.  Jesus Christ is BOTH the Great God AND OUR Saviour.  We are looking for Him to appear as such, and this truth is fully brought out in the King James Bible and many others that have likewise translated it this way by following the literal Greek text. 

Another big difference in meaning between the KJB and such modern versions as the NASB, NIV and ESV is this which was pointed out to us recently on a Facebook King James Bible club. The Bible believing brother wrote the following: &quot;The glorious appearing of our great God in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ is taught by Paul in one single text in Titus 2:13. Modern bibles twisted and denied it!

Titus 2:13 (King James Version) “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;” Comment: You see the words glorious appearing of the great God?
 
Titus 2:13 (New International Version) “while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,“ Comment: Where are the words glorious appearing of the great God? We are not waiting for the glory of God but His glorious appearing!
 
Titus 2:13 (New American Standard Bible) &quot;looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus” Comment: Where are the words glorious appearing of the great God? We are not waiting for the glory of God but His glorious appearing!
 
Titus 2:13 (English Standard Version) waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,” Comment: Where are the words glorious appearing of the great God? We are not waiting for the glory of God but His glorious appearing!
 
Comment: Where are the words &quot;the glorious appearing of the great God? We are not waiting for the glory of God but His glorious appearing!&quot; At first glance you may think modern bibles say the same as KJV says, but they are not!&quot;  (end of comments by this Bible believer. And he is right!) 

Titus 2:13 (New International Version) “while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,“ Comment: Where are the words glorious appearing of the great God? We are not waiting for the glory of God but His glorious appearing!
Titus 2:13 (New American Standard Bible) &quot;looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus” Comment: Where are the words glorious appearing of the great God? We are not waiting for the glory of God but His glorious appearing!
Titus 2:13 (English Standard Version) waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,” Comment: Where are the words glorious appearing of the great God? We are not waiting for the glory of God but His glorious appearing!
Comment: Where are the words &quot;the glorious appearing of the great God? We are not waiting for the glory of God but His glorious appearing!&quot; At first glance you may think modern bibles say the same as KJV says, but they are not!&quot;  (end of comments by this Bible believer. And he is right!)
So the KJB is actually more accurate here than the NIV, ESV, NKJV or the NASB.

Other Bible translations that read as does the KJB are Wycliffe’s 1380, Tyndale 1525, Coverdale 1535 - &quot; appearynge of the glory of ye greate God and of oure Sauioure Iesu Christ&quot;, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew\'s Bible 1549, the Bishop\'s Bible 1568, the Douay-Rheims 1582 - &quot; the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.&quot;, the Geneva Bible 1599 - &quot;that mightie God, and of our Sauiour Iesus Christ&quot;, Mace\'s N.T. 1729, Whiston\'s Primitive N.T. 1745, John Wesley\'s translation 1755, Worsley Translation 1770, Etheridge Translation 1849, Murdoch\'s translation 1851 and Lamsa\'s translation of the Syriac Peshitta 1933 - &quot;the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ&quot;, the Aramaic Bible in Plain English - &quot;the revelation of the glory of The Great God and Our Lifegiver, Yeshua The Messiah,&quot; the Emphatic Dioglott 1865, the Living Oracles 1835, Julia Smith translation 1855, Noyles Translation 1869, the ASV of 1901 - &quot;the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ&quot;, Webster’s Bible 1833, J.B. Phillips 1962, Rotherham\'s Emphasized Bible 1902 &quot;the glory of the great God and our Saviour Christ Jesus&quot;,  Worrell N.T., Alford N.T. for English Readers, James Moffatt N.T. - &quot;the Glory of the great God and of our Saviour Christ Jesus&quot;, Riverside N._T., the World English Bible - &quot; appearing of the glory of the great God and our Savior, Jesus Christ&quot;, Hebrew Names Version,  the New American Bible 1991, the KJV 21st Century 1994 and the Third Millenium Bible 1998 - &quot;the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.&quot; 

Many foreign language Bible translate the passage exactly as the King James Bible has it. Among these are the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras 1569, the Spanish Reina Valera of 1909, Spanish Jubilee Bible 2000, and Spanish La Palabra 2010 - &quot;la manifestación gloriosa del gran Dios y Salvador nuestro Jesucristo.”, the French Martin 1744, Louis Segond 1910 - “l\'apparition de la gloire du grand Dieu, et notre Sauveur, Jésus-Christ”, the Italian Diodati 1649, and La Nuova Diodati 1991 - “della gloria del grande Dio e Salvatore nostro, Gesú Cristo.”, the Portuguese de Almeida 1681 and A Biblia Sagrada em Portugués -  &quot;o aparecimento da glória do grande Deus e nosso Salvador Jesus Cristo&quot;, the Russian Zhuromsky New Testament, the Norwegian Det Norsk Bibelselskap 1930 - &quot; og åpenbarelsen av den store Guds og vår frelser Jesu Kristi herlighet,&quot; the Dutch Staten Vertaling Bible - &quot;van den groten God en onzen Zaligmaker Jezus Christus;&quot; = &quot;of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ&quot; 

Martin Luther’s German translation of 1545 also reads just like the King James Bible as does the German Schlachter Bible of 2000 with: “großen Gottes und unsers Heilandes Jesu Christi”.  = &quot;the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.&quot;

Matthew Henry comments - &quot;Jesus Christ, that great God and our Saviour, who saves not only as God, much less as Man alone; but as God-man, two natures in one person. He loved us, and gave himself for us.&quot;  

John Gill comments - &quot;and the glorious appearing of the great God, and our Saviour Jesus Christ; not two divine persons, only one, are here intended.&quot;

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown comment - &quot;the great God and our Saviour Jesus—There is but one Greek article to &quot;God&quot; and &quot;Saviour,&quot; which shows that both are predicated of one and the same Being.

Joseph Benson\'s Commentary - &quot;the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ...Beza is of opinion, that one person only is spoken of, namely, Jesus Christ, to whom he thinks the title of the great God is given in this verse.&quot;

Barnes\' Notes on the Whole Bible - &quot;Of the great God -  There can be little doubt, if any, that by “the great God” here, the apostle referred to the Lord Jesus...No one, accustomed to Paul‘s views, can well doubt that when he used this language he had his eye throughout on the Son of God&quot;  

Matthew Henry comments - &quot;The great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ for they are not two subjects, but one only, as appears by the single article&quot;  

Matthew Poole comments - &quot;And the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; and in order thereunto, looking for the coming of the great God, and our Saviour Jesus Christ, to the last judgment. The same person is here meant by the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.&quot;

 James White, who is now promoting the modern Vatican Versions and who SAYS the Bible is the infallible words of God but will NEVER tell you where to get one, is dead wrong in his criticisms of this verse, and the King James Bible is absolutely correct and infallible, as always.  

All of grace, believing the Book - the King James Holy Bible.

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EVERY WORD OF GOD DOES NOT INCLUDE TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS

Recently, I purchased “Which Bible Would Jesus Use?” by Jack McElroy, which is a general summary of King James Bible only beliefs. One thing I noticed in this book was the argument that differences between editions are both concurrently true.

For example, in Ruth 3:15 the King James Bible says, “she went into the city”. The fact is that in 1611, the first printing had “he”, which was obviously a printing error that was corrected in the second edition of 1611, and so, of course, it is “she”.

But notice how inconsistent the author becomes in trying to accept and defend both the typographical error and the correct printing. (Basically, there seems to be a misguided doctrine that since it was in the King James Bible printed in 1611, even as a typographical error, it must have been ordained or purposed by God to be so, perhaps even “inspired” so.)

Quote from page 176, “‘He’ is literal. The Hebrew text underlying the King James Bible reads ‘he’ and so the first printing in 1611 has the literal ‘he’. The second printing in 1611 is translated for context, i.e., ‘she’ went into the city. Interestingly, extant Hebrew manuscripts read both ways. The context has Ruth going into the city. A translator can translate for literalness or context. The truth is that Boaz and Ruth both went into the city. Therefore, neither is wrong. The Lord preserved the truth with either option and in both options.”

There are many errors in that explanation, not least of which is making God not absolute and the hypocritical appeal to the “Hebrew” and the convolutions thereof (there is only one word in Hebrew, not multiple choice).

The Scripture says, “For God is not the author of confusion” (1 Cor. 14:33a), and that God is not a liar, that there is no shadow of turning with Him, etc.

So, it is entirely wrong to attribute both a printing error and also the correct reading as both being true and both being from God. God’s Word is not the printing errors. Therefore, the entire double-minded explanation about two different things being concurrently true is wrong.

In Ruth 3:15 it is nothing to do with literalness versus context. That is a deception of scholarship. The correct approach is what does God say, that is, what does God’s Word in English actually communicate (as properly translated from Hebrew). There is no nay and yea with that. Either it has to be “he” or it has to be “she”. And very plainly it is “she”, regardless of what modernists say about “Hebrew” or “literalness” or “context” or “other versions” or “manuscripts” or any other convoluted methodology.

If we want purity, we don’t want to uphold typographical errors as the words of God.

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THE SLY WAR ON GOD AND THE AUSTRALIAN NATION

There is a minority in the nation of Australia who want to delete these words from the Constitution:

“Whereas the people of New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania, humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God, have agreed to unite in one indissoluble Federal Commonwealth under the Crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and under the Constitution hereby established”.

First, the people of several colonial nations are mentioned, these being formed by the colonisation efforts of the British Government. Second, God is acknowledged, and His blessing, and the quality of being humble before Him. Third, the tradition of the Crown is upheld.

What this comes down to is that the Protestant Evangelical ideals are being attacked. It is obvious that Christ (so to speak) was brought to Australia (New Holland/New South Wales) in 1788. And this is at the roots of the words in the 1900 Constitution.

Changes to delete or alter these things are an affront and an attack on truth.

“But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day” (Deut. 8:18).

“Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.” (Psalm 33:12).

If this concept is altered, there is no more unity, no more an indissoluble Federal Commonwealth and no more subjection to the Crown. The very existence of the nation would be at stake, but ultimately, it is about the place of Christianity.

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ENGLISH AND THE GOSPEL

The advance of the Gospel is aided by the fact that the English language is increasing. Since the King James Bible, which is perfect, is in English, and since the highest attainment of Christian doctrines are to be found among English-speaking Christians, it follows that this is all part of the Providence of God.

“For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.” (Acts 13:47–49).

Australian Senator Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, said that speaking English is not only a personal responsibility, it is ‘an obligation to our country’. Source: http://www.smh.com.au/national/speaking-english-an-obligation-senator-fierravanti-wells-20140125-31ffw.html#ixzz2smpGoRoz

English has become the global language of communication. There are many articles about it on the internet. Here are just a few…

Global Business Speaks English
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How English became the global language
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THE WORD IS FOR BELIEVERS TODAY

“O LORD my God, I cried unto thee, and thou hast healed me.” (Psalm 30:2).

This is a great promise, but is it true for today? A lot of people try to explain away Scriptures. They might say that it was only true at the time when it was written for the original author and the original audience. But it must apply today for a few reasons.

1. Scripture was not for then, but is for now.

Rom. 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

2. Whatever is in the Old Testament for a promise is there in the New, and improved.

Heb. 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

3. The Word of God is enduring, and is true today.

Ps. 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

These points show that the Bible is relevant for today, that it has been designed for today. God was not just speaking to men in old times, but is speaking to us by His holy word of truth.

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 Lie Number One - We now have older and better manuscripts.

James White\'s tells us in his book, The King James Only Controversy, on pages 152-153  &quot;Every one of the papyrus manuscripts we have discovered has been a representative of the Alexandrian, not the Byzantine text type&quot; and &quot;The early Fathers who wrote at this time did not use the Byzantine text-type&quot; and &quot;the early translations of the New Testament reveals that they were done on the basis of the Alexandrian type manuscripts, not the Byzantine text-type&quot; and &quot;the early church fathers who wrote during the early centuries give no evidence in their citations of a familiarity with the Byzantine text-type&quot;. 
 
These are such huge whoppers I could not believe he actually wrote this totally false information in his book.
 
There is tons of evidence that even the early papyrus manuscripts, all of which came from Alexandria Egypt, were a mixed bag and there are many Byzantine readings found in them where they agree with the KJB readings and not the Westcott-Hort Alexandrian copies of Sinaiticus and Vaticanus.
 
Furthermore, concerning the church Fathers, John Burgon compiled over 86,000 citations and quotes of the church Fathers and found that not only did the Textus Receptus readings exist, but they predominated.
 
The early versions like the Old Latin and Syriac Peshitta contain numerous textual readings and entire verses from the Traditional Text of the Reformation bibles that are not found in Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, and thus, are omitted in many modern versions.
 
Even Dr. Hort, of the famed Westcott Hort critical Greek text, said: &quot;The fundamental Text of late extant Greek MSS generally is beyond all question identical with the dominant Antiochian or Graeco-Syrian Text of the second half of the 4th century.&quot; (Hort, The Factor of Geneology, pg 92---as cited by Burgon, Revision Revised, pg 257).
 
Dean Burgon, in his book The Revision Revised, immediately comments: &quot;We request, in passing, that the foregoing statement may be carefully noted. The Traditional Greek Text of the New Testament, ---the TEXTUS RECEPTUS, in short - is, according to Dr. Hort, &quot;BEYOND ALL QUESTION the TEXT OF THE SECOND HALF OF THE FOURTH CENTURY.&quot;
 
In other words, at the very time Sinaiticus and Vaticanus were penned, the Byzantine texts were already the predominate texts of the Christian church!
 
Somebody is Lying
 
Contrast the quotes from James White with the quotes found in the 1982 edition of the NKJV. Keep in mind that these NKJV textual scholars are NOT King James Bible onlyists, but they have been to the same seminaries and had access to the same information James White and Dan Wallace have. Yet their conclusions are THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what these modern Vatican Version promoters tell us.
 
In the preface of the NKJV, which was translated by some of the same men who worked on the NIV, it says on page vii &quot;The manuscript preferences cited in many contemporary translations are due to recent reliance on a relatively few manuscripts discovered in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Dependence on these manuscripts, especially two, the Sinaitic and Vatican manuscripts, is due to the greater age of these documents.&quot;
 
&quot;However, in spite of their age, some scholars have reason to doubt their faithfulness to the autographs, since they often disagree with one another and show other signs of unreliability.&quot;
 
&quot;On the other hand, the great majority of existing manuscripts are in substantial agreement. Even though many are late, and none are earlier than the fifth century, MOST OF THEIR READINGS ARE VERIFIED BY ANCIENT PAPYRI, ANCIENT VERSIONS, AND QUOTATIONS OF THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS. This large body of manuscripts is the source of the Greek text underlying the King James Bible. It is the Greek text used by Greek-speaking churches for many centuries, presently known as the Textus Receptus, or Received Text, of the New Testament.&quot;
 
Then on page 1231 the NKJV editors say: &quot;The Byzantine Text. This text was largely preserved in the area of the old Byzantine Empire, the area which is now Turkey, Bulgaria, Greece, Albania, and Yugoslavia. OVER EIGHTY-FIVE PERCENT of the extant manuscripts belong to the Byzantine text type. Also, from the oldest to the most recent manuscripts of this type, there is greater homogeneity than among the manuscripts of any other text type. The King James Version is based largely on a Byzantine type Greek text.&quot;
 
Lie Number Two - Vaticanus and Sinaiticus Are The Best Manuscripts
 
Most modern version promoters who keep repeating this Mantra have no idea what these two so called &quot;Oldest and Best Manuscripts&quot;, upon which today\'s modern versions are based, are actually like.  I have done a fairly extensive comparative study of these two manuscripts proving that they not only differ from the vast Majority of remaining Greek texts, but also from each other. There are many concrete examples you can see here, but this is just a sampling of what you will find.
 
The character of Sinaiticus and Vaticanus texts - the so called &quot;Oldest and Best Manuscripts&quot; 
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/oldestandbestmss.htm 
 
Mr. Burgon states on page 11; &quot;Singular to relate Vaticanus and Aleph have within the last 20 years established a tyrannical ascendance over the imagination of the Critics, which can only be fitly spoken of as a blind superstition. It matters nothing that they are discovered on careful scrutiny to differ essentially, not only from ninety-nine out of a hundred of the whole body of extant MSS. besides, but even from one another. In the gospels alone B (Vaticanus) is found to omit at least 2877 words: to add 536, to substitute, 935; to transpose, 2098: to modify 1132 (in all 7578): - the corresponding figures for Aleph being 3455 omitted, 839 added, 1114 substituted, 2299 transposed, 1265 modified (in all 8972). And be it remembered that the omissions, additions, substitutions, transpositions, and modifications, are by no means the same in both. IT IS IN FACT EASIER TO FIND TWO CONSECUTIVE VERSES IN WHICH THESE TWO MSS. DIFFER THE ONE FROM THE OTHER, THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE VERSES IN WHICH THEY ENTIRELY AGREE.&quot;

SINAITICUS (Aleph) completely omits the following verses while they are found in Vaticanus. Matthew 24:35 - &quot;Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away&quot;; Luke 10:32 - &quot;And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.&quot;; 17:35 - &quot;Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.&quot;; John 9:38 - &quot;And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.&quot;(omitted in Sinaiticus original and P75, but found in Vaticanus and P66);  16:15 - &quot;All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.&quot;; 21:25 - &quot;And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.&quot;; and I Corinthians 2:15- &quot;But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.&quot; and 13:1b -2 - &quot;I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not - (charity, I am nothing).&quot;

VATICANUS (B) omits Matthew 12:47 - &quot;Then one said unto him, Behold thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.&quot; and Luke 23:17 while Sinaiticus retains them. Luke 23:17, &quot;For of necessity he must release one onto them at the feast&quot;, is omitted in B, the NASB, and NIV, yet it is in Sinaiticus and the majority of all Greek texts. Yet B omits Luke 23:34, &quot;Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do&quot;, while it is retained in Sinaiticus and this time kept in the NASB, ESV and NIV. But James White does not believe it is inspired Scripture and says he would not preach on it. Go figure. Vaticanus also omits the entire verse of 1 Peter 5:3 but it is found in Sinaiticus and the Majority of all manuscripts and Bible translations - &quot;Neither as being lords over God\'s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.&quot;

 
 
Lie Number Three - We Are Getting Closer To The Original Autographs

Some critical text scholars are a little more honest about this than others.  
 
Forever Settled - A Survey of the Documents and History of the Bible.
 
http://www.biblebelievers.net/BibleVersions/kjcforv3.htm
 
The neutral method of Bible study leads to skepticism concerning the New Testament text. This was true long before the days of Westcott and Hort. As early is 1771 Griesbach wrote, &quot;The New Testament abounds in more losses, additions, and interpolations, PURPOSELY INTRODUCED THAN IN ANY OTHER BOOK.&quot;
 
As early as 1908 Rendel Harris declared that the New Testament text had not at all been settled but was &quot;MORE THAN EVER, AND PERHAPS FINALLY, UNSETTLED.&quot; (Caps are mine)
 
Two years later Conybeare gave it as his opinion that &quot;the ultimate (New Testament) text, IF THERE EVER WAS ONE THAT DESERVES TO BE SO CALLED, IS FOR EVER IRRECOVERABLE.&quot; (Caps are mine)
 
Later (1941) Kirsopp Lake, after a life time spent in the study of the New Testament text, delivered the following, judgment: &quot;In spite of the claims of Westcott and Hort and of von Soden, WE DO NOT KNOW the original form of the Gospels, AND IT IS QUITE LIKELY THAT WE NEVER SHALL.&quot;
 
H. Greeven (1960) also has acknowledged the uncertainty of the neutral method of New Testament textual criticism. &quot;In general,&quot; he says, &quot;the whole thing is limited to probability judgments; THE ORIGINAL TEXT OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, according to its nature, MUST BE AND REMAINS A HYPOTHESIS.&quot;
 
Robert M. Grant (1963) adopts a still more despairing attitude. &quot;The primary goal of New Testament textual study remains the recovery of what the New Testament writers wrote. We have already suggested that TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL IS WELL-NIGH IMPOSSIBLE.&quot;  Grant also says:  &quot;It is generally recognized that THE ORIGINAL TEXT OF THE BIBLE CANNOT BE RECOVERED.&quot;  

Lie Number Four - Erasmus Was A Catholic, so the King James Bible is also a Catholic Bible.
 
It is a proven fact that modern versions that are based on the UBS/Nestle-Aland ever changing Critical Greek text like the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET, Holman, etc. are the new &quot;Vatican Versions&quot;.  See &quot;Undeniable Proof the ESV, NIV, NASB, Holman Standard, NET are the new &quot;Vatican Versions&quot;
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/realcatholicbibles.htm
 
Here you can see the documentation of this fact from right out of their own Nestle-Aland critical Greek textbook, the UBS homepage and the Vatican\'s own website.  Then go on to Part Two where you can see the literally thousands of words that have been omitted from the Reformation Bibles in all languages (including the older Catholic bible versions as well) and are omitted in these new &quot;Vatican Versions&quot; and the MODERN Catholic bibles too.  They are ALL based on the same Vatican supervised &quot;inter confessional&quot; texts.
 
 Here is just a sample of what you will see -

 If you have a copy of the Nestle-Aland 27th edition, open the book and read what they tell us in their own words on page 45 of the Introduction. Here these critical Greek text editors tell us:

&quot;The text shared by these two editions was adopted internationally by Bible Societies, and FOLLOWING AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE VATICAN AND THE UNITED BIBLE SOCIETIES IT HAS SERVED AS THE BASIS FOR NEW TRANSLATIONS AND FOR REVISIONS MADE UNDER THEIR SUPERVISION. THIS MARKS A SIGNIFICANT STIP WITH REGARD TO INTERCONFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIPS. It should naturally be understood that this text is a working text: it is not to be considered as definitive, but as a stimulus to further efforts toward defining and verifying the text of the New Testament.&quot;

There it is folks, in their own words. They openly admit that this text is the result of an agreement between the Vatican and the UBS and that the text itself is not &quot;definitive&quot; - it can change, as it already has and will do so in the future, and is not the infallible words of God but merely &quot;a stimulus to further efforts&quot;. 

The Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity

This from their own site - 

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_pro_20051996_chrstuni_pro_en.html

Collaboration for the Diffusion of the Bible

“Following the responsibility undertaken by the then Secretariat for the preparation of the dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation, the PCPCU was entrusted with promoting ecumenical collaboration for the translation and diffusion of Holy Scripture (Dei Verbum, n. 22). In this context, it encouraged the formation of the Catholic Biblical Federation, with which it is in close contact. TOGETHER WITH THE UNITED BIBLE SOCIETIES IT PUBLISHED THE GUIDELINES FOR INTERCONFESSIONAL COOPERATION IN TRANSLATING THE BIBLE.” (1968; new revised edition 1987).  

The Erasmus Was A Catholic Argument

So once the modern version user sees all this documentation, they usually come back with &quot;Well, Erasmus was a Catholic and that makes the King James Bible a Vatican Version too.&quot;  What these people deliberately choose to ignore is the fact that Erasmus himself criticized many of the Romish doctrines, but he tried to reform the Catholic church from within. The King James Bible translators did not primarily use the Greek text of Erasmus at all, but rather those of Beza and of Stephanus. And more importantly, NO Catholic bible version has EVER used the Greek text of Erasmus for their translations. 

In fact, the Council of Trent (1545-1564) branded Erasmus a heretic and prohibited his works. In 1559, Pope Paul IV placed Erasmus on the first class of forbidden authors, which was composed of authors whose works were completely condemned.  
 
But guess who one of the chief editors of the UBS/Nestle-Aland/Vatican critical Greek text was. It tells you who on the opening page of the Nestle-Aland Critical Greek textbook; it was the Jesuit Cardinal Carlo Martini.
 
Lie Number Five - We Now Have More Knowledge About The Bible
 
The truth of the matter is that with the widespread use and acceptance of these modern versions the level of Biblical Illiteracy has reached scandalous and epidemic proportions.  Read more about this here -
 
http://www.religiontoday.com/columnists/al-mohler/the-scandal-of-biblical-illiteracy-its-our-problem-1270946.html 

A recent Gallup poll reveals &quot;Americans revere the Bible--but, by and large, they don\'t read it. And because they don\'t read it, they have become a nation of biblical illiterates.&quot; How bad is it? Researchers tell us that it\'s worse than most could imagine.Fewer than half of all adults can name the four gospels. Many Christians cannot identify more than two or three of the disciples. According to data from the Barna Research Group, 60 percent of Americans can\'t name even five of the Ten Commandments. &quot;No wonder people break the Ten Commandments all the time. They don\'t know what they are,&quot; said George Barna, president of the firm. The bottom line? &quot;Increasingly, America is biblically illiterate.&quot; 
 
Multiple surveys reveal the problem in stark terms. According to 82 percent of Americans, &quot;God helps those who help themselves,&quot; is a Bible verse. Those identified as born-again Christians did better--by one percent....Some of the statistics are enough to perplex even those aware of the problem. A Barna poll indicated that at least 12 percent of adults believe that Joan of Arc was Noah\'s wife. Another survey of graduating high school seniors revealed that over 50 percent thought that Sodom and Gomorrah were husband and wife. A considerable number of respondents to one poll indicated that the Sermon on the Mount was preached by Billy Graham. We are in big trouble.The larger scandal is biblical ignorance among Christians. Choose whichever statistic or survey you like, the general pattern is the same. America\'s Christians know less and less about the Bible. It shows.&quot; (End of article portions)

The Lord Jesus Christ tells us in Matthew 7:17-20 that a good tree brings forth good fruit and a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit, and that &quot;by their fruits ye shall know them.&quot;

The King James Bible has consistently brought forth good fruit for over 400 years now, while the imposter versions come and go almost as fast as the seasons change. The KJB has been used of God to convert multitudes of lost sinners into Bible believing children of God. It was used to begin the world wide missionary outreach, and is the only Bible still believed by multiplied thousands of blood bought saints of God to be the complete, inspired and inerrant words of the living God.

By contrast, the influx of the modern Bible Babble Buffet versions has produced more confusion, Biblical ignorance and unbelief in the inerrancy of the Scriptures than at any time in history.  

Lie Number Six - Professional Liars Who SAY &quot;I believe the Bible IS the infallible words of God.&quot;

There are an number of well known men today who promote these new Vatican Versions who still like to put on a pious pretense of being Bible believers. Men like James White, Dan Wallace, Doug Kutilek, James Price, John MacArthur, Hal Lindsey and others who will stand in the pulpit or affirm in their writings &quot;I believe the Bible is the infallible words of God.&quot;  

And yet if you ask these same men where we can get a copy of this infallible Bible they profess to believe in, they will NEVER tell you.  Why? Simply because the do NOT believe that any Bible in any language you can actually hold in your hands, read and believe is the very inspired and inerrant words of God actually exists.  

The polls themselves tell us in no uncertain terms that the majority of professing Christians today do NOT believe in the inerrancy of the Bible - ANY Bible.  

For more documentation on this see - &quot;The Bible is NOT the inspired and inerrant words of God.&quot; 

http://brandplucked.webs.com/thebiblenotinspired.htm 

Why do so few Christians today believe that any Bible in any language is the complete and inerrant words of God?

Pastor Michael Youseff\'s Message on His &quot;Leading The Way&quot; program. The title of todays message was &quot;The Bible, The World\'s Most Relevant Book - Part 2. In his message he gave statistics of a poll that was conducted. Here is what the poll revealed:

85% of students at America\'s largest Evangelical Seminary don\'t believe in the inerrancy of Scripture.

74% of the Clergy in America no longer believe in the inerrancy of Scripture.

George Barna, president of Barna Research Group, reported that a study exploring the religious beliefs of the 12 largest denominations in America highlights the downward theological drift that has taken place in Christian churches in recent years. The study found that an alarmingly high number of church members have beliefs that fall far short of orthodox Christianity. ONLY 41 PERCENT OF ALL ADULTS SURVEYED BELIEVED IN THE TOTAL ACCURACY OF THE BIBLE. Only 40 percent believed Christ was sinless, and only 27 percent believed Satan to be real.

Of the Baptists surveyed 57 percent said they believed that works are necessary in order to be saved, 45 percent believed Jesus was not sinless, 44 percent did not believe that the Bible is totally accurate, and 66 percent did not believe Satan to be a real being. Barna said, &quot;The Christian body in America is immersed in a crisis of biblical illiteracy.&quot;

&quot;WITHIN EVANGELICALISM THERE ARE A GROWING NUMBER WHO ARE MODIFYING THEIR VIEWS ON THE INERRANCY OF THE BIBLE SO THAT THE FULL AUTHORITY OF SCRIPTURE IS COMPLETELY UNDERCUT. But is happening in very subtle ways. Like the snow lying side-by-side on the ridge, the new views on biblical authority often seem at first glance not to be very far from what evangelicals, until just recently, have always believed. But also, like the snow lying side-by-side on the ridge, the new views when followed consistently end up a thousand miles apart. What may seem like a minor difference at first, in the end makes all the difference in the world ... compromising the full authority of Scripture eventually affects what it means to be a Christian theologically and how we live in the full spectrum of human life&quot; (Francis Schaeffer, The Great Evangelical Disaster, 1983, p. 44).
 
Regarding the REAL beliefs of some of these men like James White, John MacArthur, Hal Lindsey and Dan Wallace, see these studies taken from their own words and videos regarding the Bible version issue.
 
James White - The Protestant Pope of the new Vatican Versions 
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/jameswhiteppopevv.htm 
 
Hal Lindsey - Answers Which Bible do you use and Why
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/hallindseybible.htm 
 
John MacArthur - Pastor and Teacher with NO Infallible Bible
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/johnmacarthur.htm
 
Dan Wallace is a Nut!
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/danwallacenut.htm
 
And finally &quot;Stop Lying About It!&quot;  What the Bible Babble Buffet Versionists Really Believe about &quot;The Bible&quot;
 
http://brandplucked.webs.com/stoplying.htm  
 
By the sovereign grace and mercy of Almighty God and our Lord and Redeemer Jesus Christ, I and many thousands of other Christians DO believe God has acted in history to give us a complete, inspired and inerrant Bible and we don\'t have to lie about what we really believe when we affirm this.  AND we can tell anybody who wants to know where to get a copy of it for themselves. It is called the King James Holy Bible.  Accept no substitutes.  
 
All of grace, believing The Book - the King James Bible.
 
&quot;He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.&quot;  Luke 8:8 
 
&quot;Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.&quot;  Jeremiah 15:16  
 
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THE LINGERING EASTERN QUESTION

Wave after wave of revolution, unrest and civil conflict are occurring across the Middle East and in the lands south of Russia.

Are these just the roaring waves of history, or is there something deeper going on in the timetable of God?

In Ezekiel 38:7 it says, “Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.”

If the enemies of God in the future are going to do something, they need to come into a state of affairs where they are joined and united politically. In the past France rose up and dominated Europe. And so did Germany. But the Bible points to another kind of conflict.

The conflict of Ezekiel 38 and 39 is not just another war. There have always been wars. In the last world war, the Jews were killed by the million.

“And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.” (Ezekiel 38:18).

This time the bounds will be reached, and God is promising divine intervention.

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THE ADVANCE OF THE GOSPEL

The Gospel is designed, as indicated from the Old Testament passages, to go to the Gentiles. This does not mean negligible results, but in order to demonstrate the glory of God, it ought to have abundant results.

“Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.” (Romans 9:24–26).

The design of the Gospel is that it has efficacy, that is, that it has results. It achieves the aims of God, and the elements of the Gospel come to pass accordingly.

“For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.” (Romans 9:28).

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It’s Matthew from www.bibleprotector.com with a stern warning about what is happening today in the Church.

Anyone who knows anything about Protestant history, Bible prophecy and has any spiritual discernment, they would know that ROMANISM is the Whore of Babylon of history.

What is Romanism? It is a false, usurping “church” which is headed by the Mary-worshipping Pope in Rome. No amount of pretence can cover up the grave doctrinal differences between this cult and genuine Christianity.

Meanwhile, one of the greatest moves of the Spirit in recent decades has been the advance of the Word of Faith doctrine, the doctrines of faith, healing, prosperity, protection and blessings.

It is commonly said by these people that believers cannot come into doctrinal unity, but must come into the glory together, and then God will sort it all out. But this is wrong, because the glory of God spoken of in John 17 is talking about knowledge.

“For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.” (Habakkuk 2:14).

Knowledge of the glory of God means doctrine based on Scripture.

According to Ephesians 4, the perfecting of the saints and doctrinal unity, is based on teaching, preaching and laying out of doctrine (Apostles have doctrine).

Recently, Kenneth Copeland Ministries has been attaching itself more and more to Rome.

When the Romanists therefore came with a message of friendship for Kenneth Copeland, he seemed to be chuffed. Rather than rebuke the accolades of antichrist or resist the false prophet, he gave place to this most serious error.

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THE SHINING GOSPEL LIGHT

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.” (Romans 1:16).

The Gospel has been designed to go worldwide, crossing cultures and transforming societies for Christ.

“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” (2 Corinthians 4:3, 4).

There is power in the Gospel like the power of a seed. The seed inherently grows because this is what it was designed to do. The Gospel is pervasive. Devilish resistance or clouding, such as in the Infidel Period, cannot negate the power and effectiveness of the truth.

“For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” (2 Corinthians 4:6).

The light of Christ can break forth at any moment, and the containment tactics of the devil are a failure in the long term.

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Mixed in with the AVs\' I found something I\'d never seen before, something called a [b:8593bbe442]KJV Easy Reader[/b:8593bbe442], also called [b:8593bbe442]KJVER[/b:8593bbe442]. Where supposedly they had just changed the &quot;antiquated words&quot; with modern words for easier reading - without supposedly changing the text like the NKJV did.

Forgive my ignorance, but is this something new? Or has it been around a while?

Is it truly just a few words updated to modern language?

Or is it yet another attack on the real KJV, to try and get the true Bible Believing King James advocate to abandon their real Bibles for yet another perverted one, containing more false and misleading doctrines?

Now also forgive my cynicism, but in this day and age we live in now, and with all the Bible perversions of the last century or so now increasing at ever rapid speed, as well as the attacks on the King James Bible getting ever stronger, I truly find it hard to believe that any publishing company would ever put out a new King James Bible that would be a true updating of language alone - without the express purpose of diluting or perverting the KJV itself, and without the express purpose of turning even more people away from the true Authorized Version.

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1 John 5:7 &quot;And These Three Are One&quot; 

Note - If you like, you may now hear a teaching video made with brother Dave Flang, that gives a 30 minute summary of this article -

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1 John 5:7-8 KJB - &quot;For there are three that bear record IN HEAVEN, THE FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: AND THESE THREE ARE ONE. AND THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR WITNESS IN EARTH, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.&quot;  

1 John 5:7-8 - ESV, NIV, NASB - &quot;For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood: and these three agree.&quot;

1 John 5:7-8 is the clearest witness in the Bible regarding the Holy Trinity, yet it is missing in many modern versions like the NIV, NASB, RSV, NRSV, NET and Jehovah Witness New World Translation.

English Bibles that contain all these words in 1 John 5:7-8 are the first complete English Bible ever made by John Wycliffe in 1380. It was in Tyndale’s New Testament of 1525 - &quot;For ther are thre which beare recorde in heuen the father the worde and the wholy goost. And these thre are one.&quot;, the Coverdale Bible of 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew\'s Bible 1549, the Bishops\' Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible from 1557 to 1599 -&quot;For there are three, which beare recorde in heauen, the Father, the Worde, and the holy Ghost: and these three are one.&quot;, the Douay-Rheims of 1582 and the Authorized Version of 1611.

It is also in Mace\'s New Testament of 1729, John Wesley translation in 1755 and Thomas Howeis N.T. 1795. It was included in Webster\'s 1833 translation, James Murdock\'s translation of the Syriac Peshitta done in 1852 - &quot;For there are three that testify in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.&quot;, Julia Smith Translation 1855,  A Translation of John Calvin\'s Version (Calvin Translation Society) of 1856 and Young\'s literal in 1898. 

All the words are found in the NKJV 1982, the New Life Bible 1969, Green\'s \'literal\' translation of 2000, the Amplified Bible of 1987, the 2009 Sacred Bible - Catholic Public Domain Version, the Easter/Greek Orthodox Bible 2008, the Heritage Bible 2003, the Complete Apostle\'s Bible 2005, the 2010 English Jubilee Bible, the 1994 KJV 21st Century Version, the 1998 Third Millennium Bible, the 2008 Sawyer N.T. and the Knox Bible of 2012 - &quot;Thus we have a threefold warrant in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, three who are yet one.

The Catholic Connection

The entire reading was included in the earlier Catholic bibles like the 1582 Douay-Rheims and as late as the Douay version of 1950, but removed from later Catholic versions (St. Joseph NAB 1969, New Jerusalem bible 1985), but now once again the 2009 The Sacred Bible Public Domain Version has gone back to include it!

Foreign language Bibles that contain all these words are: the Clementine Vulgate - &quot; Quoniam tres sunt, qui testimonium dant in cælo: Pater, Verbum, et Spiritus Sanctus: et hi tres unum sunt.&quot;, the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras 1569, Cipriano de Valera 1602,  the Spanish Reina Valera 1909, 1960 and 1995 editions, La Nueva Biblia de los Hispanos 2005, La Biblia de las Américas 1997 (put out by the Lockman Foundation, the same people who give us the NASB that omits it) and the 2010 Spanish Reina Valera Gomez bible, &quot;Tres son los que dan testimonio en el cielo: el Padre, el Verbo y el Espíritu Santo; y estos tres son uno.&quot; 

The words are included in the Italian Diodati Bible of of 1603 and 1649 and the New Diodati of 1991- &quot;nel cielo: il Padre, la Parola e lo Spirito Santo; e questi tre sono uno.&quot;, the French Martin 1744, the French Ostervald 1996 and La Bible de l\'Epée 2005, -&quot;dans le ciel, le Père, la Parole, et le Saint-Esprit, et ces trois-là sont un.&quot;, the Portuguese de Almeida of 1681 and A Bíblia Sagrada em Portugués - &quot;Porque três säo os que testificam no céu: o Pai, a Palavra, e o Espírito Santo; e estes três säo um.&quot;.

Other foreign language Bible that include these words are the Afrikaans Bible 1853 - &quot;die hemel: die Vader, die Woord en die Heilige Gees, en hierdie drie is een&quot;, Smith and van Dyck\'s Arabic Bible - &quot; &#1601;&#1575;&#1606; &#1575;&#1604;&#1584;&#1610;&#1606; &#1610;&#1588;&#1607;&#1583;&#1608;&#1606; &#1601;&#1610; &#1575;&#1604;&#1587;&#1605;&#1575;&#1569; &#1607;&#1605; &#1579;&#1604;&#1575;&#1579;&#1577; &#1575;&#1604;&#1570;&#1576; &#1608;&#1575;&#1604;&#1603;&#1604;&#1605;&#1577; &#1608;&#1575;&#1604;&#1585;&#1608;&#1581; &#1575;&#1604;&#1602;&#1583;&#1587; &#1608;&#1607;&#1572;&#1604;&#1575;&#1569; &#1575;&#1604;&#1579;&#1604;&#1575;&#1579;&#1577; &#1607;&#1605; &quot;, the Basque N.T.; the Western Armenian N.T. &quot;&#1329;&#1408;&#1380;&#1377;&#1408;&#1381;&#1410; &#1381;&#1408;&#1381;&#1371;&#1412; &#1381;&#1398;&#1373; &#1400;&#1408; &#1391;&#1384; &#1406;&#1391;&#1377;&#1397;&#1381;&#1398; &#1381;&#1408;&#1391;&#1387;&#1398;&#1412;&#1387; &#1396;&#1383;&#1403;.- &#1344;&#1377;&#1397;&#1408;&#1384;, &#1341;&#1413;&#1405;&#1412;&#1384; &#1381;&#1410; &#1357;&#1400;&#1410;&#1408;&#1378; &#1344;&#1400;&#1379;&#1387;&#1398;, &#1400;&#1410; &#1377;&#1397;&#1405; &#1381;&#1408;&#1381;&#1412;&#1384; &#1396;&#1383;&#1391; &#1381;&#1398;&quot;,  Czech Kralicka Bible, Dutch Staten Vertaling &quot;Want Drie zijn er, Die getuigen in den hemel, de Vader, het Woord en de Heilige Geest; en deze Drie zijn Een.&quot;, Finnish 1776 &quot;Sillä kolme ovat, jotka todistavat taivaassa: Isä, Sana ja Pyhä Henki, ja ne kolme yksi ovate&quot;,  the Hungarian Karoli, Icelandic 1981, Latvian N.T. &quot;Jo tr&#299;s ir, kas dod liec&#299;bu debes&#299;s: T&#275;vs, V&#257;rds un Sv&#275;tais Gars; un šie tr&#299;s ir viens.&quot;, Maori -&quot;Tokotoru hoki nga kaiwhakaatu i te rangi, ko te Matua, ko te Kupu, ko te Wairua Tapu: kotahi ano enei tokotoru., Lithuanian &quot;Mat yra trys liudytojai danguje: T&#279;vas, Žodis ir Šventoji Dvasia; ir šitie trys yra viena.&quot; and the Tagalog Ang Salita ng Diyos Bible of 1998 - &quot;May tatlong nagpapatotoo sa langit, ang Ama, ang Salita, ang Banal na Espiritu at ang tatlong ito ay iisa.&quot;

The words are in the Romanian Cornilescu Bible and the 2009 Romanian Fidela Bible - &quot;Pentru ca trei sunt cei care aduc marturie in cer: Tatal, Cuvantul si Duhul Sfant; si acestia trei una sunt.&quot;, Russian Synodal 1876, Russian Victor Zhuromski, the German Schlachter Bible of 2000, the Thai Bible, the Czech BKR - &quot;na nebi: Otec, Slovo, a Duch Svatý, a ti t&#345;i jedno jsou.&quot; Ukranian Kulish 1871, the Vietnamese bible 1934 - &quot;&#7845;y là Ð&#7913;c Thánh Linh &#273;ã làm ch&#7913;ng, vì Ð&#7913;c Thánh Linh t&#7913;c là l&#7869; th&#7853;t.&quot;, The  Indonesian - Terjemahan Baru (TB) - &quot;Sebab ada tiga yang memberi kesaksian di dalam sorga: Bapa, Firman dan Roh Kudus; dan ketiganya adalah sati.&quot;, the Ukranian New Testament - &quot;&#1041;&#1086; &#1090;&#1088;&#1080; &#1111;&#1093;, &#1097;&#1086; &#1089;&#1100;&#1074;&#1110;&#1076;&#1082;&#1091;&#1102;&#1090;&#1100; &#1085;&#1072; &#1085;&#1077;&#1073;&#1110;: &#1054;&#1090;&#1077;&#1094;&#1100;, &#1057;&#1083;&#1086;&#1074;&#1086; &#1110; &#1089;&#1100;&#1074;&#1103;&#1090;&#1080;&#1081; &#1044;&#1091;&#1093;, &#1110; &#1089;&#1111; &#1090;&#1088;&#1080; - &#1086;&#1076;&#1085;&#1086;.&quot;, the Xhosa language Bible, the Modern Greek Bible and the Modern Hebrew bible - &#1499;&#1497; &#1493;&#1513;&#1500;&#1513;&#1492; &#1492;&#1502;&#1492; &#1492;&#1502;&#1506;&#1497;&#1491;&#1497;&#1501; &#1489;&#1488;&#1512;&#1509; &#1492;&#1512;&#1493;&#1495; &#1492;&#1502;&#1497;&#1501; &#1493;&#1492;&#1491;&#1501; &#1493;&#1513;&#1500;&#1513;&#1514;&#1501; &#1500;&#1488;&#1495;&#1514; &#1492;&#1502;&#1492;:&#1513;&#1500;&#1513;&#1492; &#1492;&#1502;&#1492; &#1492;&#1502;&#1506;&#1497;&#1491;&#1497;&#1501; &#1489;&#1513;&#1502;&#1497;&#1501; &#1492;&#1488;&#1489; &#1492;&#1491;&#1489;&#1512; &#1493;&#1512;&#1493;&#1495; &#1492;&#1511;&#1491;&#1513; &#1493;&#1513;&#1500;&#1513;&#1514;&#1501; &#1488;&#1495;&#1491;

Here is just a partial list of those who contended for the authenticity of this verse.

Cyprian - 250 AD, Athanasius 350 A.D., Priscillian -385 AD, Jerome 420 AD, Fulgentius (late 5th century), Cassiodorus, Isidore of Seville, Jaqub of Edessa, Thomas Aquinas, John Wycliffe, Desiderus Erasmus, Stephanus, Lopez de Zuniga, John Calvin, Theodore Beza, Cipriano de Valera, John Owen, Francis Turretin, John Wesley, John Gill, Matthew Henry, Andrew Fuller, Thomas F. Middleton, Luis Gaussen, Frederick Nolan, Robert L. Dabney, Thomas Strouse, Floyd Jones, Peter Ruckman, George Ricker Berry, Edward F. Hills, David Otis Fuller, Thomas Holland, Michael Maynard and Donald A. Waite. 

Those who say this verse is not part of Holy Scripture will often say it is not found in the majority of Greek manuscripts and for this reason it should not be included in the Bible.

It is true that the words &quot;in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth&quot; are not found in the majority of remaining Greek manuscripts that exist today. However there is very much and weighty evidence for its inclusion.

Those who argue that it is not in the majority of texts are being totally inconsistent when they bring up this argument. Most of the people like James White and Daniel Wallace who use this majority argument, do not care one bit for the majority of texts and what they might read. They themselves follow the constantly changing UBS/Nestle-Aland/Vatican Critical Greek text which itself departs from the majority readings in literally thousands of places.

Westcott and Hort, the very men who introduced the Critical Text methods found in the RV, ASV, NASB, NIV, themselves said: &quot;A few documents are not, by reason of their paucity (few number), appreciably less likely to be right than a multitude opposed to them&quot; (Introduction to the Westcott-Hort Greek New Testament, 1881, p. 45 

Isn\'t it ironic that the very reason these two Bible critics gave for choosing a few manuscripts over hundreds suddenly becomes an \'issue\' for them when it comes to the ONLY clear cut verse stating that  &quot;These Three are ONE&quot;, that is, the Godhead or the Trinity?

It should also be noted that Michael Maynard significantly points out that there are only 5 remaining Greek manuscripts that even contain the epistle of 1 John in whole or in part that date from the 7th century or before. That is a whole lot of time to have past by with only 5 partial Greek witnesses that remain today that were written within the first 700 years of Christianity.

And among these 5 early manuscripts only 2 of them agree with each other in 1 John 5:6-8.  Sinaiticus does not agree with Vaticanus, or Alexandrinus or with 0296. Sinaiticus  and A both say &quot;by water and blood AND SPIRIT&quot; in verse 6 instead of &quot;by water and by blood&quot;. Then Alexandrinus &quot;not by water only but by water AND THE SPIRIT&quot; instead of &quot;not by water only, but by water and the blood&quot; and 0296 omits the verb &quot;are&quot; (&#949;&#953;&#963;&#953;&#957;) in verse 7 and  has the unique word order of &quot;by water AND SPIRIT and blood&quot; in verse six. 

As the KJV Today article says: What it demonstrates is that scribes were prone to alter this portion of 1 John based on theological or stylistic motivations.  By 350 AD this portion of 1 John 5  was already corrupt in the Greek tradition. Since verse 6 is corrupt in Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus, and verse 7 in 0296 does not have &quot;&#949;&#953;&#963;&#953;&#957;,&quot; there are only two manuscripts (Vaticanus and 048) from before the 7th century which read exactly as the  Nestle-Aland from verse 6 to 7.&quot;

See the KJV Today article on 1 John 5:7 for other examples of textual corruption and disagreement just in 1 John among the so called &quot;oldest and best manuscripts&quot; here -

http://www.kjvtoday.com/home/the-father-the-word-and-the-holy-ghost-in-1-john-57#TOC-The-use-of-the-Comma-at-the-Fourth-Lateran-Council

What then is the textual evidence for 1 John 5:7?

It is found in several Greek texts - Erasmus, Stephanus, Beza, Elziever, Scrivener and Modern Greek Bible; it is quoted by several church fathers as Cyprian 250 AD, Athanasius 350 A.D., Priscillian -380 AD, Varimadum 380 A.D., Jerome 420 AD, Victor Vitensis 430 A.D., Fulgentius (late 5th century), Cassiodorus 580 A.D,  and is found in many ancient versions of the Bible including the Old Latin, and is found in some copies of the Syriac, Armenian, Georgian and Slavonic ancient versions. 

Although not found in most Greek manuscripts, the Johannine Comma is found in several. It is contained in 629 (fourteenth century), 61 (sixteenth century), 918 (sixteenth century), 2473 (seventeenth century), and 2318 (eighteenth century). It is also in the margins of 221 (tenth century), 635 (eleventh century), 88 (twelveth century), 429 (fourteenth century), and 636 (fifteenth century). 

It was part of the text of the Old Latin Bible that was translated in the second century, as it witnessed by some remaining copies that we have today. It is found in &quot;r&quot;, a 5th century Old Latin manuscript, &quot;q&quot;, a 5th to 7th century O.L. mss, and &quot;l&quot; another 5th century O.L. mss.

The old commentators on 1 John 5:7 - John Calvin, John Gill, Matthew Henry, John Wesley.

JOHN WESLEY commented on 1 John 5:7 saying: &quot; I would insist only on the direct words, unexplained, just as they lie in the text: &quot;There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: And these three are one.&quot;

&quot;As they lie in the text :&quot; -- but here arises a question: Is that text genuine? Was it originally written by the Apostle, or inserted in later ages? Many have doubted of this; and, in particular, the great light of the Christian church, lately removed to the Church above, Bengelius, -- the most pious, the most judicious, and the most laborious, of all the modern Commentators on the New Testament. For some time he stood in doubt of its authenticity, because it is wanting in many of the ancient copies. But his doubts were removed by three considerations: (1.) That though it is wanting in many copies, yet it is found in more; and those copies of the greatest authority: -- ( 2.) That it is cited by a whole gain of ancient writers, from the time of St. John to that of Constantine. This argument is conclusive: For they could not have cited it, had it not been in the sacred canon: -- (3.) That we can easily account for its being, after that time, wanting in many copies, when we remember that Constantine\'s successor was a zealous Arian, who used every means to promote his bad cause, to spread Arianism throughout the empire; in particular the erasing this text out of as many copies as fell into his hands. And he so far prevailed, that the age in which he lived is commonly styled, Seculum Aranium, -- &quot;the Arian age;&quot; there being then only one eminent man who opposed him at the peril of his life. So that it was a proverb, Athanasius contra mundum: &quot;Athanasius against the world.&quot;

JOHN CALVIN - &quot;There are three than bear record in heaven&quot; The whole of this verse has been by some omitted. Jerome thinks that this has happened through design rather than through mistake, and that indeed only on the part of the Latins. But as even the Greek copies do not agree, I dare not assert any thing on the subject. Since, however, the passage flows better when this clause is added, and as I see that it is found in the best and most approved copies, I am inclined to receive it as the true reading.&quot;
 
MATTHEW HENRY on 1 John 5:7 - &quot;We are stopped in our course by the contest there is about the genuineness of v. 7. It is alleged that many old Greek manuscripts have it not. It should seem that the critics are not agreed what manuscripts have it and what not; nor do they sufficiently inform us of the integrity and value of the manuscripts they peruse...There are some rational surmises that seem to support the present text and reading.&quot;

&quot;The seventh verse is very agreeable to the style and the theology of our apostle...Facundus acknowledges that Cyprian says that of his three it is written, Et hi tres unum sunt—and these three are one. NOW THESE ARE THE WORDS, NOT OF V. 8, BUT OF V. 7. They are not used concerning the three on earth, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; but the three in heaven, the Father, and the Word, and the Holy Ghost...If all the Greek manuscripts and ancient versions say concerning the Spirit, the water, and the blood, that in unum sunt—they agree in one, then it was not of them that Cyprian spoke, whatever variety there might be in the copies in his time, when he said it is written, unum sunt—they are one. And THEREFORE CYPRIAN\'S WORDS SEEM STILL TO BE A FIRM TESTIMONY TO V. 7.&quot;

&quot;It was far more easy for a transcriber, by turning away his eye, or by the obscurity of the copy, it being obliterated or defaced on the top or bottom of a page, or worn away in such materials as the ancients had to write upon, to lose and omit the passage, than for an interpolator to devise and insert it. He must be very bold and impudent who could hope to escape detection and shame; and profane too, who durst venture to make an addition to a supposed sacred book.&quot; &quot;I think, in the book of God,... THE TEXT IS WORTHY OF ALL ACCEPTATION.&quot;

JOHN GILL commenting on 1 John 5:7 - &quot;As to the old Latin interpreter, it is certain it is to be seen in many Latin manuscripts of an early date, and stands in the Vulgate Latin edition of the London Polyglot Bible: and the Latin translation, which bears the name of Jerome, has it, and who, in an epistle of his to Eustochium, prefixed to his translation of these canonical epistles, complains of the omission of it by unfaithful interpreters.&quot;

&quot;And as to its being wanting in some Greek manuscripts, as the Alexandrian, and others, it need only be said, that it is to be found in many others; it is in an old British copy, and in the Complutensian edition the compilers of which made use of various copies; and out of sixteen ancient copies of Robert Stephens\'s, nine of them had it. &quot; (Gill\'s Exposition of the Entire Bible).  These manuscripts underlying the Complutensian Polyglot and the 16 &quot;ancient&quot; copies of Stephanus no longer exist.&quot;

Speaking of the citations of the early church fathers Mr. Gill continues: &quot;And yet, after all, certain it is, that it is cited by many of them; by Fulgentius, in the beginning of the &quot;sixth&quot; century, against the Arians, without any scruple or hesitation; and Jerome, as before observed, has it in his translation made in the latter end of the &quot;fourth&quot; century; and it is cited by Athanasius about the year 350; and before him by Cyprian, in the middle, of the &quot;third&quot; century, about the year 250; and is referred to by Tertullian about, the year 200; and which was within a &quot;hundred&quot; years, or little more, of the writing of the epistle; WHICH MAY BE ENOUGH TO SATISFY ANYONE OF THE GENUINENESS OF THIS PASSAGE; and besides, there never was any dispute about it till Erasmus left it out in the first edition of his translation of the New Testament; and yet he himself, upon the credit of the old British copy before mentioned, put it into another edition of his translation.&quot;

CYPRIAN (Latin: Thascius Caecilius Cyprianus) (c. 200 – September 14, 258) was bishop of Carthage and an important Early Christian writer, many of whose Latin works are extant. He was born around the beginning of the 3rd century in North Africa, perhaps at Carthage, where he received a classical education. After converting to Christianity, he became a bishop in 249 and eventually died a martyr at Carthage.

As a side note, the entire quote by Cyprian is this: In his De catholicae ecclesiae unitate 6, he says, “The Lord says, ‘I and the Father are one’; and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, ‘And these three are one.&quot;  This cannot be said of verse 8 where it says: &quot;the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.&quot;  That verse is not referring to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Only verse 7 does this.

You can see the quote from Cyprian in context here - http://www.pennuto.com/bible/1jn5_7.htm

THE TREATISES OF CYPRIAN

Ante-Nicene vol. 5 page 423

The Lord says: ”I and the Father are one;” “(4) and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, ” And these three are one.” (5)

(4) John X. 30.
(5) I John V. 7 .

(End of shorter Article on 1 John 5:7)');
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Whereas I take the point that this article defends the inclusion of 1 John 5:7 as opposed to the modern versions, it is important to adhere to the PCE if you quote the King James Bible here.');
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CONVERSATION WITH A PRESBYTERIAN

Last week I had a robust discussion with a Presbyterian minister. As we talked about Calvinism and Pentecostalism, we talked about Christian perfection. He said that Paul exclaimed, “O wretched man that I am!” (Romans 7:24a).

I said that there was a different interpretation on that passage, and also, that in Philippians he said, “Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded” (Philippians 3:15a).

He said that you had to go to the Greek, that the word “perfect” there really meant “mature”.

I said that I believed in Providential Preservation which included the idea that God has communicated His Word to us rightly, and in the King James Bible.

He said that the Westminster Confession states that the originals are immediately inspired by God.

I said that the Westminster Confession also states that the Scripture is to be made known by translation, that the KJB translation is to be considered Scripture.

He then said that translations (plural) were to be accepted, and went on to say how in Papua New Guinea, they did not know what a sheep was, so they did not understand Jesus as the Good Shepherd, but had to change the wording, and also had for “Lamb of God” “Pig” instead.

I replied that this view supposed that people were stupid, and could not learn what a sheep was, and second, that his view implied that the Holy Ghost was limited in communicating His truth to people. I said that we grew up in modern cities without seeing shepherds, but knew what they were.

He was forced to agree with me (because this man was honest enough to see the truth of the case, and has a saving belief in Christ).

“Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.” (1 Corinthians 2:13).

As a postscript, I will add that Romans 7 must be understood in the context of Paul speaking in regards to the unsaved condition (the wretched man), for he says that Jesus Christ delivers, and immediately in chapter 8 there is no more condemnation, but he is living after the Spirit, not after the flesh (he is not wretched). Secondly, I will also add that I did grow up over the road from sheep.

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DOES THE DEVIL CONDEMN PEOPLE?

Often, certain Christians claim that the devil is condemning them. But the devil neither convicts nor condemns. That is the role of God in line with His law. The devil is hardly going to say a person is guilty before God, but rather wants to rebel against the law of God! Likewise, why would the devil punish anyone for sinning? It is the law which brings the curse on sin. Satan is not out to punish sin, nor to condemn the sinner.

The following verse must be understood:

“Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.” (1 Tim. 3:6).

The devil is into pride and God has condemned pride. God has condemned the devil. Therefore, if a person gets into pride, they are punished with the same sentence that is passed onto Satan, they are made to fall.

This legal relationship can be seen also in Romans:

“Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God\'s elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.” (Romans 8:33, 34).

People are charged before God the judge in His courtroom. Another legal term is “justification”. So then, a sinner is condemned by God, but if a person believes in Jesus, they are not condemned. The condemner is God by His Law, but Christ came to take the punishment for mankind due under the law.

Hell is God’s punishment onto sin. Satan is not in hell, not ruling hell, nor torturing souls there. Hell is God’s just punishment on sin. Therefore, a person needs to be saved by Christ, or they will be sent, according to God’s law, to hell.

Paul described the mind of a sinner under conviction, saying, “O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?” (Romans 7:24).

The solution? “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:1).

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EDITORIAL

DOES THE DEVIL CONDEMN PEOPLE? 
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Good editorial; Satan does not condemn, but rather accuses.

Rev 12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: [u:75fdff2989]for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. [/u:75fdff2989]');
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For example, if a person has been forgiven, he might tempt that person to believe they are not forgiven, or try to accuse them as such. But that is very different from what some Christians claim: they say that the devil is condemning them when really they are doing the wrong thing, and it is the voice of their own conscience and the conviction of the Spirit.');
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I can vouch for AiG\'s accuracy in many things (eg. their reviews of Crowe\'s unbiblical Noah film) but their following article &quot;Are visits to heaven for real?&quot; is completely wrong. See http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v9/n2/visits-to-heaven 

If I were to believe AiG in this, then I would have to believe that Jesse DuPlantis, Keith Moore and many others who have stated they have visited Heaven are either lying or deceived. Of course, it is AiG and its interpretation that\'s wrong (I suspect they come from a non-Pentecostal stance). The following verse clearly shows that visits to the third Heaven (where God\'s throne is) are completely valid: &quot;I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.&quot; (1 Corinthians 12:2).

Here is a completely refutable quote from the article: &quot;There is simply no reason to believe anyone who claims to have gone to heaven and returned. John 3:13 says, \'No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.\' And John 1:18 says, \'No one has seen God at any time.\'&quot;

I don\'t know what this author thinks happened to Elijah since he definitely ascended into Heaven. Of course, John 3:13 is talking about no man by their own power, except Christ, has ascended into Heaven.

John 1:18 is just using the word &quot;seen&quot; in the sense of comprehending. The word see can be used in several ways, depending on what is being said (eg. &quot;I see your hand&quot; and &quot;I see what you mean&quot;). I don\'t know how this article\'s author thinks about the following clear verse because it certainly contradicts his ideas: &quot;And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.&quot; (Exodus 24:11). The Scripture makes it clear that God is not some amorphous mass, else how could He say &quot;sit&quot; on a throne.

The article is wrong in many other areas but is just an example of how &quot;private interpretation&quot; (see 2 Peter 1:20) can intrude on people\'s doctrines. It is clear that modern version thinking (which allows for enormous amounts of private interpretation) has taken over many churches. The sanctuary needs to be cleansed!');
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SPIRITUAL TRUTH VERSUS NATURAL FACTS

Many Christian apologists (those who try to defend the truth of Christianity) say that the reliability and authenticity of the Bible rests in the manuscript evidence.

Notice very carefully what this means: the authority of Scripture is what they themselves today see in original language manuscript copies.

But where does the Bible teach such a thing? Where does it say, “Go to Greek”, or “The authority is in the original manuscripts”?

Instead, the Bible speaks about Scripture itself, the Word of God itself being true, and shows how it is present. This means that it is proper to rely on the Bible today. There is no good reason why we should disregard the King James Bible as being the final authority today.

The Bible says, “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1 Corinthians 2:14).

Arguing about Greek or manuscript evidence is a natural thing. You cannot prove the truth of the Bible from those things. They are just natural arguments of carnal minded men. Of course, they cannot accept relying upon the KJB. But relying upon the KJB is a spiritual thing.

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.” (John 5:24).

God’s words are spiritual words, and we hear them. The real issue is that there are some who are not willing to hear the KJB, and who want to rear up arguments about Greek or manuscripts as an idol, which conveniently allows them to avoid actually obeying the words of God.

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HOW CAN YOU BE A CHRISTIAN IF YOU DON’T GO TO CHURCH?

Census statistics show a decline in Church attendance. In that environment, it really becomes obvious that there are numerous people who claim to be Christians, but who do not attend Church. That is, that they have illegitimate reasons for staying away from their fellow believers.

But what does the New Testament command? “Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.” (Hebrews 10:25).

It is a very dangerous trend to stay away from the people of God, because it makes as if a person is not accountable.

It is also unloving, because how can a person edify the brethren if they are away from them?

And it is foolish, because even the world knows that when people are in unity, they stand, but divided, they fall.

Or rather, as the Scripture says, “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand” (Matthew 12:25).

Yes, it takes some commitment and effort, but it is fitting and proper — and should be a delight — to be with the people of God.

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&quot;(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)&quot;

As a true believer, we must mark and avoid the following:

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CHANGING THE BIBLE IS A DECEPTION

Nick Sayers claims that the King James Bible needs to be changed, to be more easily understood. His view seems to deny any role of the Holy Ghost bringing in comprehension to readers and hearers of the Bible.

He has proposed making a new version. The problem is, not only is he changing spelling like “shew” to “show”, or changing word forms like “strengtheneth” to “strengthens”, but he is changing words, changing the version, changing the translation.

“But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man\'s conscience in the sight of God.” (2 Corinthians 4:2).

The changes that Mr Sayers is trying to make really constitutes an attack on the King James Bible. “A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.” (Galatians 5:9).

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A scholarly teaching video by Steve Gregg on different interpretations of the Book of Revelation:
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INSERT INTO phpbb_posts_text (post_id, bbcode_uid, post_subject, post_text) VALUES('2638', 'c11b952af7', '', 'Each draft has been systematically adding a whole section. Two sections are remaining, the one section &quot;Nation&quot;, which is in a semi-complete form, while the section &quot;Hearers&quot; has been written as another book, which is currently being completed. Remaining is to set out in a table a comparison specifically of the 1769 Edition, which table is only half complete at the moment.');
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THE GOSPEL COMES TO RELIGIOUS FOLKS

When Paul came to Ephesus, he did not just preach about the Holy Ghost baptism, but he first laid the foundation of being born again, the message of Christ. There were some men at Ephesus who had heard about John the Baptist, but who did not understand the basics of Christianity. So Paul had to first establish Christ before he went on into preaching about the Holy Ghost.

“And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John\'s baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. And all the men were about twelve.” (Acts 19:1–7).

In the twentieth century, some Pentecostals began to have impact into Romanist and mainline denominations. This was the Charismatic movement.

Keep in mind that Paul first preached Christ and then preached the Holy Ghost.

But what happened with the Charismatics? They assumed that the Romanists already believed in Christ, they assumed that they were born again. They did not call them out of Babylon. Rather, they just allowed them to come into the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

This was a terrible mistake.

Often, the Pentecostals who rejected the Charismatic move are blamed, saying that they shunned the Charismatics because they were Romanists, etc. When, in reality, the Pentecostals should have done their duty, CONVERTED THEM TO CHRIST, and called them out, and then went on in the Spirit.

Now it is claimed that there are numerous “Charismatic Catholics”. These are they who persist in the superstitions and errors of Romanism, but believing they are right because they think to have the Baptism in the Holy Ghost.

Whatever may be genuine of it, must be to call them out. Thus, a lot of it probably is not genuine, but another spirit.

The great deception must be broken, which has clouded the minds of many, even many Pentecostals: the Roman Catholics need to be born again. But then, the reason for the deception is obvious, because there are many among the Pentecostals who are worldly, who are not even born again themselves.

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For clips on the Bible version issue Brandon Staggs: https://www.youtube.com/user/AV1611kjbp

For quality Bible teaching on Christianity: http://www.flcbranson.org/freedownloads.php

A scholarly teaching video by Steve Gregg on different interpretations of the Book of Revelation:
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&quot;It would be much more comfortable for us not to believe in a young earth. The entire scientific and educational establishments are committed to old-earth evolutionism, and so are the supposedly more intellectual segments of the religious world. Many mainline seminaries and colleges have capitulated to theistic evolutionism, and most evangelical colleges and seminaries espouse old-earth creationism, or what many call progressive creationism.
&quot;So young-earth creationism is not a comfortable position to hold, especially for scientists or ambitious students, and it would be tempting to either give it up or else say it really doesn\'t matter how or when God created (as do most modern churches and parachurch organizations) as long as we believe that He is our Creator.&quot;
(Henry Morris III, &quot;Exploring the Evidence for Creation&quot;, 2009, p. 164.)

Standing for the truth of the Bible is not necessarily a popular way to go: &quot;Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day.&quot; (1 Corinthians 4:13).');
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SOME VIDEOS

Very, very occasionally, on weekends the Bible Protector website has gone down due to a technical (electrical) fault at the hosting company. However, this weekend, as at other times, I have put up some videos and video clips, which you can watch here:

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For clips on the Bible version issue Brandon Staggs: https://www.youtube.com/user/AV1611kjbp

For quality Bible teaching on Christianity: http://www.flcbranson.org/freedownloads.php

A scholarly teaching video by Steve Gregg on different interpretations of the Book of Revelation:
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[size=18:ac9aa3ed20][color=darkblue:ac9aa3ed20]EDITORIAL[/color:ac9aa3ed20][/size:ac9aa3ed20]

WAIT FOR THE LORD

The Lord promises blessing for His people. “Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” (James 5:7, 8).

God promised His move, so we must wait for Him. “Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.” (Psalm 27:14).

Again, the psalmist said, “Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him” (Psalm 37:7a).

Christians should not be moved by fear, nor despair, but wait on the Lord, because He does bring to pass the good things.

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For clips on the Bible version issue Brandon Staggs: https://www.youtube.com/user/AV1611kjbp

For quality Bible teaching on Christianity: http://www.flcbranson.org/freedownloads.php

A scholarly teaching video by Steve Gregg on different interpretations of the Book of Revelation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1yCXTnwGj0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wln_5TF6_VI

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Sixth draft of the “Guide to the Pure Cambridge Edition” by Matthew Verschuur is now available.
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Introductory lessons teaching the basics of the King James Bible
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YouTube Video Clips
[url]http://www.youtube.com/bibleprotector[/url]

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PATIENCE

After we make a stand of faith, we must have patience. For example, we can be praying for the opening up of the Gospel with certain people or groups of people. We can be praying for help, equipment or any such thing in the help of the advance of the Gospel.

There are many situations in life and many reasons why we can and would be praying in faith, knowing that God supplies our need and that in Him we shall not want.

When we pray, we believe we receive. But not always do we see the manifestation. The Bible commands, “Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.” (Psalm 27:14).

Don’t give up! Consider the example of Abraham. “That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises. For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself, Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee. And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.” (Hebrews 6:12–15).

You see, there is a trying of your faith, because there are temptations for Christians to give up, to let go. But we must be sure, certain and enduring in our faith. “My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.” (James 1:2–4).

Christianity is not fighting to get the victory, but is the fight to keep the victory. It is a good fight, because we are resting in the assured victory, even if troubles are all around us. Troubles or negative things can “speak” saying that it is not done, that the prayer of faith has accomplished nothing. But we are to resist that, because it is a lie.

“Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.” (Proverbs 3:5, 6).

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MORE PATIENCE

“Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity. For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.” (Psalm 37:1, 2).

In Infidel times, people have seen the wicked prospering, and the righteous languish. But the Bible says not to worry, not to be stirred up in fear by this.

Instead, He gives us great and precious promises:

“Trust in the LORD, and do good; so shalt thou dwell in the land, and verily thou shalt be fed. Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart. Commit thy way unto the LORD; trust also in him; and he shall bring it to pass. And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light, and thy judgment as the noonday. Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for him” (Psalm 37:3–7a).

We are not waiting to see if God will do it, we are not waiting to see if God is going to do something. No. We are expecting, we are ready, we are trusting in Him, because He does bring it to pass.

“Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” (Hebrews 10:35, 36).

When all is dark, when all seems as if nothing is happening, in fact, the Lord is at work. “For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.” (Hebrews 10:37, 38).

Again, “Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” (James 5:7, 8).

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A scholarly teaching video by Steve Gregg on different interpretations of the Book of Revelation:
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