John Wesley was against sin

John Welsey was against sin. Yet a movement of his followers today have ranged so wildly away from his views as to reject Christian Perfection and to embrace and exalt sin. The following is an excerpt of his teaching:

As this scripture is one of the strong-holds of the patrons of sin, it may be proper to weigh it thoroughly. Let it be observed then, First, it does by no means appear that this thorn, whatsoever it was, occasioned St Paul to commit sin; much less laid him under any necessity of doing so. Therefore, from hence it can never be proved that any Christian must commit sin. Secondly, the ancient Fathers inform us, it was bodily pain: “a violent headache, saith Tertullian; (De Pudic.;) to which both Chrysostom and St. Jerome agree. St. Cyprian [De Mortalitate] expresses it, a little more generally, in those terms: “Many and grievous torments of the flesh and of the body.” [Carnis et corporis multa ac gravia tormenta.] Thirdly, to this exactly agree the Apostle’s own words, “A thorn to the flesh to smite, beat, or buffet me.” “My strength is made perfect in weakness:” — Which same word occurs no less than four times in these two verses only. But, Fourthly, whatsoever it was, it could not be either inward or outward sin. It could no more be inward stirrings, than outward expressions, of pride, anger, or lust. This is manifest, beyond all possible exception from the words that immediately follow: “Most gladly will I glory in” these “my weaknesses, that the strength of Christ may rest upon me.” [2 Cor. 12:9] What! Did he glory in pride, in anger, in lust Was it through these weaknesses, that the strength of Christ rested upon him He goes on: “Therefore I take pleasure in weaknesses; for when I am weak, then am I strong;” [2 Cor. 12:10] that is, when I am weak in body, then am I strong in spirit. But will any man dare to say, “When I am weak by pride or lust, then am I strong in spirit” I call you all to record this day, who find the strength of Christ resting upon you, can you glory in anger, or pride, or lust Can you take pleasure in these infirmities Do these weaknesses make you strong Would you not leap into hell, were it possible, to escape them Even by yourselves, then, judge, whether the Apostle could glory and take pleasure in them! Let it be, Lastly, observed, that this thorn was given to St. Paul above fourteen years before he wrote this Epistle; [2 Cor. 12:2] which itself was wrote several years before he finished his course. [see Acts 20:24; 2 Tim. 4:7] So that he had after this, a long course to run, many battles to fight, many victories to gain, and great increase to receive in all the gifts of God, and the knowledge of Jesus Christ. Therefore from any spiritual weakness (if such it had been) which he at that time felt, we could by no means infer that he was never made strong; that Paul the aged, the father in Christ, still laboured under the same weaknesses; that he was in no higher state till the day of his death. From all which it appears that this instance of St. Paul is quite foreign to the question, and does in no wise clash with the assertion of St John, “He that is born of God sinneth not.” [1 John 5:18]

How generations have been lost

There was a family who lived in Melbourne who attended a Pentecostal Church. This was in the 1950s when they preached the Word and were strong against any kind of sinfulness.

We know, for example, that in the 1960s, Thomas Foster set up his CRC in Richmond. In those days, Pentecostals were using the King James Bible, and the Pure Cambridge Edition was in common use. The family that I am referring to actually had PCEs.

However, in the 1960s, there were massive attacks happening on Christianity through the Social Revolution, and the consequential Left-wing inspired attacks on the death penalty in Victoria, the Vietnam war in Australia and so on.

A young man growing up in that environment, in the family I am referring to, with Christians who actually had good beliefs, yet was seduced by the world, turned to sinfulness, promoted human rights and eventually became an atheist.

This young man went from Christianity to error in the following steps:
1. Embraced human rights activism/social revolution causes
2. Rejected the authority of the State
3. Turned to liberal theology
4. Embraced homosexuality
5. Believed evolution
6. Became an atheist

This is important to see in several ways. First, to see how temptation works as a seed by degrees.

The next point is one which contradicts some creationists, who say that basically evolution is the cause of many of today’s evils. At one time people did not believe in evolution, and did evil. As this man’s life illustrates, believing evolution only came at the end, it was actually accepting various errors about “causes” that first seduced him.

I doubt this young man had ever made a true profession of faith, but sort of was, like most, believing on his parents’ coattails.

I say this, because I was 14 when I was born again, and that was a decision independent to my own parents’ views. Evidentially, this young man at age 14 was essentially “converted” to the Left, and that seed of rebellion went the whole way to its full fruit.

This young man accepted a religion of the universal declaration of the human rights, because this is where the “power” of infidelity is based, in a human-based authority about human-derived freedoms.

So how is it that a good Christian family, who were filled with the Spirit, used the King James Bible, and spoke strongly against sins, yet brought up a son who rebelled entirely against this?

There’s a lot of children who have been abandoning the faith since the 1960s, and while the Church and families can be blamed for that, we also need to understand that in the world, the spirit of error has become very strong.

In those days Pentecostals viewed movies and television as evil. And in time, when they got a TV set, they would strongly restrict how much television the children could see. Often, young people who grow up feeling repressed would rebel. This was because Christians no long saw their religion as powerful, but rather thought that cutting off from the world would ensure purity and preservation of God’s tiny remnant.

While censorship and caution are commendable, the defeatist mentality and legalism were not right.

A truly born again person should not have internal longing for sin and carnality. The solution, therefore, would be to convert the children. This would require knowledgeable parents to instruct their children in the Lord. Sadly, the parents often were not knowledgeable, and this all the way back through the generations.

So then, the true solution would be a level of Christian education so that people who know the truth would be able to educate their children properly.

The most important spiritual movement we can ever see is where normal people are educated so as to educate their children properly.

Pr 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.


Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

THE DEMONIC POSSESSION OF MAGOG

Mt 8:30 And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.
Mt 8:31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
Mt 8:32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.

There is a hierarchy of spirits. When the legion of spirits, led by a spirit being called “Legion”, possessed a man, he went mad. That same being was able to enter into not only one being, but a group, a herd of pigs.

Those pigs, mere beasts, did not disperse as a group, but rather, as a group, in one accord, rushed straight into the water and drowned.

We know that those evil doers who do wickedly can become like animals, both physically (see 2 Samuel 23:20) and figuratively (see Matthew 25:33). People who do evil can become very low, and the Bible even calls such people beasts.

We read in the Bible of a man called Gog, leader of the people of Magog. But what would happen if devilish interference, so to speak, the hierarchy of devilish “surrogates” or “parasites” or “links” were made to the entire Magog nation, like how the devils entered into the herd of swine?

We must lay aside the wrong assumption that the devil is only the cause of madness. Could not an evil spirit be an intelligent being, a philosophical being, and could it not function in a certain kind of order? We should not assume that the devils are all chaos, because the account of the spirit of Tyrus.

Eze 28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
Eze 28:4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
Eze 28:5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches

Spirits do indeed operate in relation to nations, because when the angel fought the prince of Persia, Daniel was told that another spirit, the prince of Grecia would come. A godly man would not suggest that the Greeks were all possessed, but rather, that among the Greeks was found a devilish work: in the Greek kingdom of Syria, under Antiochus Epiphanes, this was certainly manifest.

The same can be said about the false religion of Islam.

This leads us to look at the Legion principle in relation to Gog, the spirit, and Gog, the rising leader of Russia, and that relationship with the spiritual outworking onto the people.

The rising leader of Russia then is a philosopher king who essentially embodies the spirit of Gog. However, this person is not detached, but rather, is connected to the people of Magog by the multitude of certain evil spirits.

As the fallen angels have a hierarchy, and as society itself has hierarchy, it leads to a kind of ordering of society, being obviously first, the leader. Under him directly is the class of the wise philosophers. The next is the class of the warrior knights. Then are craftsmen and farmers.

This requires a tremendous alteration in thinking, because it does away with “capital” and private property, and extols the virtue of extreme ego and talent.

Now, we know that God can and is pouring out His spirit, and that spirit can be throughout a nation for good. How much better and well ordered is a nation then where God is at work, not the devil.

Joe 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joe 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

That spirit or spiritual environment of openness to God, is of course of the Holy Ghost.

Fighting the cultural war

Bill Muehlenberg runs a website https://billmuehlenberg.com/

His views are fairly typical of serious Protestants from recent years.

On his site, he has tried to attack Infidelity. He has done this largely by confronting various social issues. This is like trying to kill a hydra by cutting at its heads.

Here’s how the battle used to be illustrated by Protestants:

This image from the old Creation Science Foundation should have put “Infidelity” as the foundation of the bad side, and added the flag of evolution to the castle. On the other side, “God’s word” is the actual foundation.

The way to really defeat the issues is to get the right foundation (on our side) and to strike at the foundation of the other side.

“If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?” (Psalm 11:3).

“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge” (Hosea 4:6a).

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Geopolitica.ru attacks Protestantism

According to Russian Eurasianist geopolitical articles from geopolitica.ru, Protestantism is somehow the “real” enemy of Russia. This is highlighted in an article called “The Crusade Against Us” by A. Dugin and “The Christian Right” by G. Krupey dated 16 May 2018.

This will examined and countered by a Protestant view which views multiple fulfilments of Bible prophecy and is by nature divine interventionist, geopolitical, ideological and providentialist as presented on bibleprotector.com by M. Verschuur.

Geopolitica.ru argues that Liberalism as backed by America is not mere pluralism, but a tyrannical ideology. Bibleprotector.com argues that the pervading ideology manifest in Liberalism is Infidelity, and that Infidelity is of spiritual antichrist.

Geopolitica.ru claims that Liberalism has a hidden layer or basis, one which is theological and religious, that is, Protestant eschatology. But bibleprotector.com says that this is incorrect. Infidelity and Liberalism, which is the basis of the infidelity of the Enlightenment and Modernism, is actually based on the work of Catholics, Jews, Deists, Freemasons and apostate Protestants. One can therefore not justly accuse Protestantism itself of being responsible, though apostate Protestants, ones who departed from Protestant traditions, are highly culpable.

“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” (1 John 2:19).

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